Knee replacement at 67, down 25 pounds of muscle, will it come back?

[Dave D]

You don't see a lot of 265-lb 80-year-olds walking around, regardless of how much is fat vs. muscle.

You don’t see a lot of 80 year old walking around period.

[oldtimer1]

Bloodwork, not all its cracked up to be. Good to have it done, but many are fooled into thinking they are perfect if bloods are.
I know a few, perfect bloods, no history of drugs, booze or anabolic. still had bypass surgery, etc.

I was talking to Casey Viator and he was telling me his blood work was perfect. He died about year later from a heart attack.

[oldtimer1]

Had a full knee replacement on my right knee 1 month ago today. Both of my knees have been really bad over the years, arthritis, bone on bone, etc. decided to get it over with, and do the first knee.

I have weighted 260-265 for over 30 years, been lifting forever. Still nice and strong, look strong,full, on TRT for over years.  My life was good. Lifting, cooking, eating, enjoying the looks i still got at 265.

The knee replacement could have been the worst idea i ever had. The pain is almost unmanageable in the first week. I ate nothing, maybe 500 calories the first week. Nothing but pain pills. Fucking miserable. Walking with a walker, then a cane. My appetite never came back in the first two weeks. I stayed off of the scale, as I didn’t want to know my weight.

But looking in the mirror, i knew it would be bad, and it was. Finally stepped on the scale, 242. Fuck.
Started to try to eat, no real luck. Today, exactly 30 days after the operation, im at 240, with not a muscle on me. My arms are gone, flabby, chest is gone, i have shrunk right before my eyes.
And of course i caught the wife’s heavy cold, so im still not hungry.


So I guess my question is this? IS MUSCLE MEMORY A REAL THING??? Will my muscles fill back out once  i get into the gym? Will I start to gain some weight back at 67, when i restart my TRT?
Can i ever expect to be 260 again once i start hitting the gym full time? They always talk about muscle memory, but is it real, or just another of the WEIDER PRINCIPLES WE ALL FELL FOR?

Is it over for me, will 240 with no muscles be it for me??

I will throw in my advices.


When you say you are on TRT is it the low dose a general practitioner  would prescribe or are you dosing vials of test you get on the black market? If you are taking a lot going off it could contribute to the loss. Having a knee replaced is a huge trauma to your body so of course you are going to be weak after.

You will need time. At 67 you shouldn't want to be big. Getting lean should be the goal. Very few big old men.

When I had an operation my motto was, It's a good thing the weights are adjustable. Come back using baby weights and very gradually increase. Take care of that new knee and forget anything that could damage or shorten the life of it. My 2 cents is to not leg press, squat or deadlift. Upper body you can crush it but lower body do stuff like body weight squats, lunges and maybe goblet squats for higher reps. Walking fast will be your friend now when you heal. Go outside or on a treadmill. At 67 your heart muscle should be a priority. No senior citizen lifter should be concerned with being big. It just makes for a heavy coffin.

[SGT BARNES]

260 + lbs at 67yrs. LoL massively delusional dude. 
You are fat plain and simple, at 242 you are still fat.  You are not the muscle hunk you seem to think you are at either of those weights

Wake up at clean up to around 225 of actual muscle and loose the safety fat suit.

[judochoke]

It’s prescribed by my doctor. All legit, one shot a week. 75 mgs. I’m done with legs, and have been for years. Just do upper body and cardio. I just want to be able to walk my two dogs every day. Of course im not an ego lifter or ego person, i did that shit in my 30s. I just had two expensive tests done on my heart ordered from my cardiologist. All clear on both tests.

Do i really need to be 260? I don’t really know, as i have always been that weight, and was comfortable
In my daily life at that weight.

I guess i will just let the chips land as they do, when i get back into hard core training. Thanks for all the reply’s. Judo

[wes]

260 + lbs at 67yrs. LoL massively delusional dude. 
You are fat plain and simple, at 242 you are still fat.  You are not the muscle hunk you seem to think you are at either of those weights

Wake up at clean up to around 225 of actual muscle and loose the safety fat suit.

I agree go for a much more fit and lighter bodyweight.

Getting old an`t for sissies, and at your weight you should not be thinking heavy weight....you should focus more  on being healthy.

Not trying to bust your balls or piss on your parade, but your organs have to work much harder at a heavier weight, and like I ALWAYS say sometimes......."You Can`t Flex Fat"

Good luck in whatever you decide and I hope you make a full recovery.

[falco]

The wear on your knees were due to your excessive bodyweight. 240 is still heavy for your height. Focus on being and looking fit instead of permabulking. You will add years to your body.
Yes muscle memory is a thing and so is sarcopenia.

[Rambone]

The wear on your knees were due to your excessive bodyweight. 240 is still heavy for your height. Focus on being and looking fit instead of permabulking. You will add years to your body.
Yes muscle memory is a thing and so is sarcopenia.

Tone!

[bhank]

Had a full knee replacement on my right knee 1 month ago today. Both of my knees have been really bad over the years, arthritis, bone on bone, etc. decided to get it over with, and do the first knee.

I have weighted 260-265 for over 30 years, been lifting forever. Still nice and strong, look strong,full, on TRT for over years.  My life was good. Lifting, cooking, eating, enjoying the looks i still got at 265.

The knee replacement could have been the worst idea i ever had. The pain is almost unmanageable in the first week. I ate nothing, maybe 500 calories the first week. Nothing but pain pills. Fucking miserable. Walking with a walker, then a cane. My appetite never came back in the first two weeks. I stayed off of the scale, as I didn’t want to know my weight.

But looking in the mirror, i knew it would be bad, and it was. Finally stepped on the scale, 242. Fuck.
Started to try to eat, no real luck. Today, exactly 30 days after the operation, im at 240, with not a muscle on me. My arms are gone, flabby, chest is gone, i have shrunk right before my eyes.
And of course i caught the wife’s heavy cold, so im still not hungry.


So I guess my question is this? IS MUSCLE MEMORY A REAL THING??? Will my muscles fill back out once  i get into the gym? Will I start to gain some weight back at 67, when i restart my TRT?
Can i ever expect to be 260 again once i start hitting the gym full time? They always talk about muscle memory, but is it real, or just another of the WEIDER PRINCIPLES WE ALL FELL FOR?

Is it over for me, will 240 with no muscles be it for me??

I can not stress this enough you need to start biking as in cycling on a bike peddling is the best thing you can do for that knee. You can absolutely regain your muscle memory is a real thing. But fuck the muscle focus on the knee you cant get big if you cant walk

People will laugh and make fun but the recumbent trike is the best thing ever for your knee

Catrike.com

[Professor Deltoid]

At the very first sign of osteoarthritis in my knees at age 47 I made the decision to go from an Arnoldesque 244 lbs to 167 lb. Bruce Lee physique. I can still remember the doctor shooting my knees up that day with cortisone, telling me eventually I'm looking at total knee replacements. I asked if there was any other way. He told me to a.) Lose a ton of weight and b.) Work on strengthening the calves, hamstrings and glutes in addition to the quads, and I just might get out of the surgery. So I began a super strict diet and started doing lots and lots of cardio on the exercise bike. (Running was out of the question due to the knee pain). I kept lifting and really hit the core hard. Not only did the knee pain all but disappear but I also was relieved of some sciatic nerve pain. Psychologically it was difficult at first to deal with the loss of size, but another phenomenon developed whereby when I remove my shirt (on the beach for example) the world seems to stop and stare at my chiseled, defined Bruce Lee physique. The abs, intercostals, serratus, are all carved out of granite. The sexual attention I get from the ladies is one hundred fold what it was with my Arnold physique. I am now in my late 50s now and look to be in my 30s with little to no knee pain.

[CalvinH]

Had a full knee replacement on my right knee 1 month ago today. Both of my knees have been really bad over the years, arthritis, bone on bone, etc. decided to get it over with, and do the first knee.

I have weighted 260-265 for over 30 years, been lifting forever. Still nice and strong, look strong,full, on TRT for over years.  My life was good. Lifting, cooking, eating, enjoying the looks i still got at 265.

The knee replacement could have been the worst idea i ever had. The pain is almost unmanageable in the first week. I ate nothing, maybe 500 calories the first week. Nothing but pain pills. Fucking miserable. Walking with a walker, then a cane. My appetite never came back in the first two weeks. I stayed off of the scale, as I didn’t want to know my weight.

But looking in the mirror, i knew it would be bad, and it was. Finally stepped on the scale, 242. Fuck.
Started to try to eat, no real luck. Today, exactly 30 days after the operation, im at 240, with not a muscle on me. My arms are gone, flabby, chest is gone, i have shrunk right before my eyes.
And of course i caught the wife’s heavy cold, so im still not hungry.


So I guess my question is this? IS MUSCLE MEMORY A REAL THING??? Will my muscles fill back out once  i get into the gym? Will I start to gain some weight back at 67, when i restart my TRT?
Can i ever expect to be 260 again once i start hitting the gym full time? They always talk about muscle memory, but is it real, or just another of the WEIDER PRINCIPLES WE ALL FELL FOR?

Is it over for me, will 240 with no muscles be it for me??

You are small and useless to us now

[Krankenstein]

Yes, i saw my friend who also had a partial knee done. Does not sound like the same operation. He had hardly no pain at all. I had a total.

I know a few who had total and they recovered like mine.  With a total, there is nothing left of the bad joint.  How long did you go for PT?

[Krankenstein]

not the same.  The partial is a lot easier to recover from.  A lot less trauma because they only replace the parts that need to be not the total joint.

Sure there is less trauma....but a full replacement there is nothing left of the damaged joint.  Same size scar...etc.  Now, if you talk about replacing the knee cap along with that....yeah, there is some issues.

[Sustanation]

Had a full knee replacement on my right knee 1 month ago today. Both of my knees have been really bad over the years, arthritis, bone on bone, etc. decided to get it over with, and do the first knee.

I have weighted 260-265 for over 30 years, been lifting forever. Still nice and strong, look strong,full, on TRT for over years.  My life was good. Lifting, cooking, eating, enjoying the looks i still got at 265.

The knee replacement could have been the worst idea i ever had. The pain is almost unmanageable in the first week. I ate nothing, maybe 500 calories the first week. Nothing but pain pills. Fucking miserable. Walking with a walker, then a cane. My appetite never came back in the first two weeks. I stayed off of the scale, as I didn’t want to know my weight.

But looking in the mirror, i knew it would be bad, and it was. Finally stepped on the scale, 242. Fuck.
Started to try to eat, no real luck. Today, exactly 30 days after the operation, im at 240, with not a muscle on me. My arms are gone, flabby, chest is gone, i have shrunk right before my eyes.
And of course i caught the wife’s heavy cold, so im still not hungry.


So I guess my question is this? IS MUSCLE MEMORY A REAL THING??? Will my muscles fill back out once  i get into the gym? Will I start to gain some weight back at 67, when i restart my TRT?
Can i ever expect to be 260 again once i start hitting the gym full time? They always talk about muscle memory, but is it real, or just another of the WEIDER PRINCIPLES WE ALL FELL FOR?

Is it over for me, will 240 with no muscles be it for me??

Brother why in the blue hell would you want to be 260lbs at age 67? If it were me I’d go back to a true replacement dosage 50mg twice a week and then dial in via bloods and hit the BPC-157 and TB500 and work on building true strength make use of resistance bands over heavy weights and in general stop acting like I were 25.

[ProudVirgin69]

Slim down, brother!  Each additional pound of bodyweight is around 40lbs of pressure at your knees.  You will feel and move around much better at a lighter bodyweight.

[ProudVirgin69]

Judochoke can be mistaken for a lot of people -

CSwol's brother, Joe from Reservoir Dogs, stuntman Robert Tessier, etc..... -

.


But he is way healthier than the other guy.

Palumbo looking freaky and judochoke holding his own

[Lartinos]

Slim down, brother!  Each additional pound of bodyweight is around 40lbs of pressure at your knees.  You will feel and move around much better at a lighter bodyweight.

I’ve heard each pound is equivalent to 25lb’s of pressure by a couple doctors, but not 40lb’s.

Either way losing the weight is going to be an enormous help.

And TBH you look quite sloppy at that weight and will look way better dropping 25-30lb’s.

[IroNat]

An article I posted above says when you walk each step is 1.5 times bodyweight.

If you weigh 260 each step impact is close to 400 lbs.

[Phantom Spunker]

At the very first sign of osteoarthritis in my knees at age 47 I made the decision to go from an Arnoldesque 244 lbs to 167 lb. Bruce Lee physique. I can still remember the doctor shooting my knees up that day with cortisone, telling me eventually I'm looking at total knee replacements. I asked if there was any other way. He told me to a.) Lose a ton of weight and b.) Work on strengthening the calves, hamstrings and glutes in addition to the quads, and I just might get out of the surgery. So I began a super strict diet and started doing lots and lots of cardio on the exercise bike. (Running was out of the question due to the knee pain). I kept lifting and really hit the core hard. Not only did the knee pain all but disappear but I also was relieved of some sciatic nerve pain. Psychologically it was difficult at first to deal with the loss of size, but another phenomenon developed whereby when I remove my shirt (on the beach for example) the world seems to stop and stare at my chiseled, defined Bruce Lee physique. The abs, intercostals, serratus, are all carved out of granite. The sexual attention I get from the ladies is one hundred fold what it was with my Arnold physique. I am now in my late 50s now and look to be in my 30s with little to no knee pain.

This is a powerful testimony, doc, and I can't thank you enough for sharing it. If you may, could you delve a little deeper into the psychology of sexual attraction? Specifically, how arousal often manifests itself in the behaviours of the women around you. I would love to read about this. Merci beaucoup. 

[Donny]

This thread reminds me of a guy i trained with & he was a fanatical cardio freak, serious stuff.
He now lives in Denmark but visited me just over a year ago.
When i trained with him he had, had at least 2 knee operations because of his running..etc
I saw him one time 2 or 3 weeks after a knee OP trying to walk or jog dragging his leg 

when he last visited me he had a lower back OP & was told a 2nd was on the way because of his running, of course i know he ended up with the 2nd OP even though he´s not been in contact.

[IroNat]

This is a powerful testimony, doc, and I can't thank you enough for sharing it. If you may, could you delve a little deeper into the psychology of sexual attraction? Specifically, how arousal often manifests itself in the behaviours of the women around you. I would love to read about this. Merci beaucoup. 

 

[IroNat]

This thread reminds me of a guy i trained with & he was a fanatical cardio freak, serious stuff.
He now lives in Denmark but visited me just over a year ago.
When i trained with him he had, had at least 2 knee operations because of his running..etc
I saw him one time 2 or 3 weeks after a knee OP trying to walk or jog dragging his leg 

when he last visited me he had a lower back OP & was told a 2nd was on the way because of his running, of course i know he ended up with the 2nd OP even though he´s not been in contact.

Endorphin junkie.

[Donny]

Endorphin junkie.

Vanity

[Hulkotron]

judochoke, no offense brother but there is a bit of cognitive dissonance between "I've always been 260 lbs and have always been comfortable at that weight" and "I just had a knee replacement".  At 67 it's time to slim down!

[Grape Ape]

Can i ever expect to be 260 again once i start hitting the gym full time? They always talk about muscle memory, but is it real, or just another of the WEIDER PRINCIPLES WE ALL FELL FOR?

Is it over for me, will 240 with no muscles be it for me??

In 27 years, we will be reading this exact same post from Irongrip400