Knee replacement at 67, down 25 pounds of muscle, will it come back?

[MAXX]

why do you want to be 260 at 67  asking for a heart attack

you should aim for 220 actually

[SweetDaddySiki]

All my blood work comes back perfect at that weight. I’m very active walking, bike riding, treadmill. I just always was 260, after a short sickness, vacation, down a little, but always back to That weight.
I guess i will take it 1 pound at a time, day to day. Gotta get some meat in me, already bought protein powder, just waiting to put it all together.

Let's hope you got that protein from Walmart buddy! (High five) While you're there, check out the fall clothes. Good deals and no one can tell you got them from Walmart. Oh; you will gain your muscle back. Muscle memory's real. I'm a lifetime natural and I lost everything when I had umbilical hernia surgery in my mid 50's but I was able to put back on my size. Took awhile but it happened. You got this!

[Professor Deltoid]

This is a powerful testimony, doc, and I can't thank you enough for sharing it. If you may, could you delve a little deeper into the psychology of sexual attraction? Specifically, how arousal often manifests itself in the behaviours of the women around you. I would love to read about this. Merci beaucoup.

I am not one to hihack another man's thread. However, if you would like to start a new thread on the subject of female sexual arousal and the handling of women in general, I would be honored to contribute.

[Kwon]

How tall are you Judochoke?

[Rambone]

judochoke, no offense brother but there is a bit of cognitive dissonance between "I've always been 260 lbs and have always been comfortable at that weight" and "I just had a knee replacement".  At 67 it's time to slim down!

Tone!

[judochoke]

Thanks sweet daddy. That’s what I’m hoping for.

[Professor Deltoid]

Go on a strict diet of fruits and veggies, lean proteins, whole grains, healthy fats, etc Do lots of steady state cardio. Lower the bodyweight by any means necessary. Get on blood pressure meds, a statin, and daily low dose aspirin. Weight training is fine but if you're obese you need to prioritize getting lean.

[oldtimer1]

Judochoke did you ever train in Judo?  I did as a kid but my mother wanted me out thinking it was too rough right when I was getting good.

[1Patrick]

Judochoke did you ever train in Judo?  I did as a kid but my mother wanted me out thinking it was too rough right when I was getting good.

Lol I did too and my mom felt the same way ,but I started doing well on national level so she was ok with me to continue.Brown belt and stopped practicing as HS senior.Bodybuilding took over.

[Hulkotron]

Go on a strict diet of fruits and veggies, lean proteins, whole grains, healthy fats, etc Do lots of steady state cardio. Lower the bodyweight by any means necessary. Get on blood pressure meds, a statin, and daily low dose aspirin. Weight training is fine but if you're obese you need to prioritize getting lean.

What is your exact location tough guy?

[CalvinH]

This is a powerful testimony, doc, and I can't thank you enough for sharing it. If you may, could you delve a little deeper into the psychology of sexual attraction? Specifically, how arousal often manifests itself in the behaviours of the women around you. I would love to read about this. Merci beaucoup.

So he's basically dj181 with abs.


...Now there's something to be proud of!

[oldtimer1]

Lol I did too and my mom felt the same way ,but I started doing well on national level so she was ok with me to continue.Brown belt and stopped practicing as HS senior.Bodybuilding took over.

As an adult I boxed and did BJJ. Truth be told I wasn't very good in BJJ. I'm more of a striker. I really admire those that are good in the grappling arts like wrestling, judo and BJJ.  My son in law is about 6'4" and 300lbs. He takes his BJJ training seriously. He keeps telling me to get back into it. Nope, I don't want to wrestle smelly, sweating guys who are out to arm bar me or choke me, lol.

[judochoke]

I retired from powerlifting at age 40, and took a judo class at a gym near me. I was hooked. After two months at the small gym, i joined two real judo clubs, and would go about 4 days a week. I was always the oldest guy in the class, but it was a great workout, and once i learned how to fall, l did not get hurt.

When i would go to the local tournaments, i was always the oldest guy there. In the beginning, i would have to go with teenagers, or white belts my size, as there were not many bigger guys. In japan, a black belt is the real deal. But in the states, it’s really just a fun way to learn self defense. In japan, a black belt can do all  19 throws left handed and right handed. But in the states, nobody but the pros could do that.

I did get a ceremonial black belt at age 42, which was cool. But now i was in the black belt bracket for the tournaments, and i always got smoked. lol but it was a blast. Got into BJJ, but i was too stiff heavy for bjj. 

I did help my master get ready for a fight in japan for a few weeks, that was hard core. But he got knocked out in the first round in his pride fight. FRANSICO BUENO WAS HIS NAME. IGOR KNOCKED HIM OUT.   


IM IN ORANGE COUNTRY.

[karasan]

Alright, Big Boss 💪, I will break it down for you! I am not sure whether your ego will let you get it or not!
Your muscles were in a sarcoplasmic hypertrophy state before—full of glycogen, water, and some fat. This gave you that big, full look you liked, but much of the size came from glycogen and water, not just muscle. That's why, now, you’ve lost size—what you’ve mostly lost is water and glycogen, not as much muscle as you think. Stuff yourself with "good food" and pump again, and sure, you’ll feel bigger, but it’s mostly a temporary water-glycogen boost, not raw muscle mass.
Look at Mr. "O" Canada, Vince—he’s rocking "solid" 18-inch arms at 79, and they feel like granite when flexed, but most of that tightness comes from loading up on carbs and holding water. It’s easy to get caught up in that feeling, but you’ve gotta be careful—at 67, chasing that glycogen-filled bulk is just putting unnecessary stress on your body. Time to take it easy on the ego, focus on leaner, healthier gains, and let the heart and body thank you later. 😎

[Humble Narcissist]

As an adult I boxed and did BJJ. Truth be told I wasn't very good in BJJ. I'm more of a striker. I really admire those that are good in the grappling arts like wrestling, judo and BJJ.  My son in law is about 6'4" and 300lbs. He takes his BJJ training seriously. He keeps telling me to get back into it. Nope, I don't want to wrestle smelly, sweating guys who are out to arm bar me or choke me, lol.

I also did boxing and BJJ. After age 30 it's probably best to quit combat sports. Everyone I know who stuck with them is suffering now.

[SweetDaddySiki]

I retired from powerlifting at age 40, and took a judo class at a gym near me. I was hooked. After two months at the small gym, i joined two real judo clubs, and would go about 4 days a week. I was always the oldest guy in the class, but it was a great workout, and once i learned how to fall, l did not get hurt.

When i would go to the local tournaments, i was always the oldest guy there. In the beginning, i would have to go with teenagers, or white belts my size, as there were not many bigger guys. In japan, a black belt is the real deal. But in the states, it’s really just a fun way to learn self defense. In japan, a black belt can do all  19 throws left handed and right handed. But in the states, nobody but the pros could do that.

I did get a ceremonial black belt at age 42, which was cool. But now i was in the black belt bracket for the tournaments, and i always got smoked. lol but it was a blast. Got into BJJ, but i was too stiff heavy for bjj. 

I did help my master get ready for a fight in japan for a few weeks, that was hard core. But he got knocked out in the first round in his pride fight. FRANSICO BUENO WAS HIS NAME. IGOR KNOCKED HIM OUT.   


IM IN ORANGE COUNTRY.

Brutal if true video of Bueno getting faceplanted by the fat Russian Igor. Death stare and all:

(Serious note) That was a bad knockout. Bueno didn't seem to have decent striking skills.
The problem with Judo is the same problem that caught up with Rousey: Gotta grab your opponent while not getting punched in the face. People have caught on to that now. If you're a fair or decent striker like that new girl Kayla (judo Olympic champ in UFC now) then you can implement Judo.
On a related note, I was walking down a mall once and this Asian guy comes out of GNC a few feet in front of me. At the same time these 3 black guys were walking by. One of them collided with the Asian guy. The black guy went into a rage and yelled and started swinging. The Asian grabbed him and did the quickest and most powerful osoto gari on him. The mall floor had carpet or he would have been killed because his head hit the floor and he didn't get up. I had to talk to the police since I was a witness. Officer didn't charge anyone and said "I think he learned his lesson" about the black guy.

[SweetDaddySiki]

I also did boxing and BJJ. After age 30 it's probably best to quit combat sports. Everyone I know who stuck with them is suffering now.

I got my blue belt in BJJ and stopped. I should go back. I got it in my 50's and I'm 58. I think I did well. Seemed natural to me. My problem were the high school wrestlers. Older wrestlers not so much and fun to roll with but the high school wrestlers were way too quick. Them: "Hey - you wanna go again?" Me: "Nah I'm fine"

[IroNat]

How tall are you Judochoke?

Crickets...

[Professor Deltoid]

So he's basically dj181 with abs.


...Now there's something to be proud of!

I'd rather weigh a buck sixty-seven benching 350 and getting hit on by milfs and cougars than clock in at a sloppy 260 with aches, pains and coronary disease.

[BB]

Crickets...

I seem to remember JC was a little over 6', I think 6'-6'2" range. I get why he's sad, he was a pretty strong guy, now it's fading a bit -

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[mops]

Alright, Big Boss 💪, I will break it down for you! I am not sure whether your ego will let you get it or not!
Your muscles were in a sarcoplasmic hypertrophy state before—full of glycogen, water, and some fat. This gave you that big, full look you liked, but much of the size came from glycogen and water, not just muscle. That's why, now, you’ve lost size—what you’ve mostly lost is water and glycogen, not as much muscle as you think. Stuff yourself with "good food" and pump again, and sure, you’ll feel bigger, but it’s mostly a temporary water-glycogen boost, not raw muscle mass.
Look at Mr. "O" Canada, Vince—he’s rocking "solid" 18-inch arms at 79, and they feel like granite when flexed, but most of that tightness comes from loading up on carbs and holding water. It’s easy to get caught up in that feeling, but you’ve gotta be careful—at 67, chasing that glycogen-filled bulk is just putting unnecessary stress on your body. Time to take it easy on the ego, focus on leaner, healthier gains, and let the heart and body thank you later. 😎

No, sarcoplasmic and myofribrillar hypertrophies are interconnected.

In muscle cells, each nucleus has a well-defined cytoplasmic domain. Hypertrophied muscles or not, the nucelo-cytoplasmic ratio remains unchanged - it's a physiological constant.

The more nuclei the muscle gains, the more expansion there will be in the cytoplasm, which goes against the "theory" of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

[Rambone]

I seem to remember JC was a little over 6', I think 6'-6'2" range. I get why he's sad, he was a pretty strong guy, now it's fading a bit -

.

One of the stronger guys around these parts…..

[oldtimer1]

I also did boxing and BJJ. After age 30 it's probably best to quit combat sports. Everyone I know who stuck with them is suffering now.

I only had 5 fights in the ring.  All gym fights.  I was 4-1.  The loss was my first fight.  I got out early realizing getting punched wasn't fun.  That's why I'm still pretty. 

Regarding his lost of strength and muscle of course anyone would have a loss. That's a major orthopedic surgery. On top of it he went off testosterone.  No, test and the physical trauma of that operation would break anyone.  Judo, I think all are in agreement that for health reasons you should train but at a lighter bodyweight. The worst thing you could do is increase the dose to look good for vanity and ego to just walk around the supermarket.  Lift but pay attention and give equal weight to cardio conditioning. Far to many 65 plus guys if they run for a half a mile feel like they are going to die. Those are the ones that will have heart problem with the low VO2. I realize with the bad knee running is out but walking fast or riding a bike, swimming or fast walking will work.

[judochoke]

I’m 5-11. It’s funny, as i just gave my gym buddy the TALK, he’s 35, 6-2, juiced up big time. When we get food, people get out of his way. He looks crazy when he takes tren. So I asked him one day, WHATS YOUR END GAME WITH THE JUICE??? YOU DONT COMPETE, YOUR JUST A GYM RAT, WANTING TO LOOK BIG AND CRAZY, HOW LONG WILL YOU BE JUICING??

He was totally caught off guard by my question. To make a long story short, he quit all the other stuff, except test and deca, downsized, lost 15 pounds, and is very happy. Still gets attention, but is healthier.

You guys have given me a lot to think about as i rehab. And i know that at age 67, i would have to downsize at sometime!!!!!!!! But i was wearing 3 x under armour shirts, and they were tight on me!!!!!!

My prescription from my doctor is only 75 mgs of TEST A WEEK,and the wife will not give me any extra, so that is what i will be using. I know how to train intensive, as that’s how i train for over 40 years.
Hopefully the muscle comes back, and at 241 today on the scale, i will look for 250 to hit for my weight.

I would imagine that when i hit the gym starting Monday, i should regain the 9 pounds pretty quickly, then i will just maintain that weight, see how i feel.

Thank you all for all of the food for thought. Judochoke.

(We never saw FRANSICO BUENO AGAIN AFTER THAT KNOCKOUT. HE NEVER CAME BACK FROM JAPAN, HE WENT RIGHT TO BRAZIL, PROBALLY TO HIDE. NO SHAME, AS IGOR WAS A GREAT FIGHTER

[karasan]

No, sarcoplasmic and myofribrillar hypertrophies are interconnected.

In muscle cells, each nucleus has a well-defined cytoplasmic domain. Hypertrophied muscles or not, the nucelo-cytoplasmic ratio remains unchanged - it's a physiological constant.

The more nuclei the muscle gains, the more expansion there will be in the cytoplasm, which goes against the "theory" of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

My main point was, when you work out, and stuft yourself with carbs, your muscles will have a rounder appearance, that is more visible when you chase the pump.
Cut calories and stop pump those reps and you are left with much flabby physique if you are not lean at the first place.
Actually judochoke has tons ot muscle and solid base, but still at 35 percent bf he was nowhere buff as he imagined, and i think he is wise enough to see that, but his ego isn't