2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[GymnJuice]

What do you think comes of the nuclear talks now in Switzerland, do we get them to acquiesce to our demands or do we get chumped?

We are negotiating from a position of weakness. We lack international backing, we failed to force a regime change, and our munitions are depleted. Frankly, we cannot enforce any agreement we sign. Our sole focus must be an uninterrupted exit. Preventing a nuclear buildup, missile strikes on Israel, or defunding Hezbollah should not be our responsibility. Let Iran's neighbors deal with it and the consequences.

[Van_Bilderass]

The US is running out of bombs, we have no bombs left to give.

There's the nuclear option

Iran only understands bombs.

If you mean instead accepting total capitulation and accepting their partner breaking all agreements then yes, America responding by killing them all would be the other option. I think it's really rich for some Americans to insinuate that since America signed a bad deal then America should resort to bombs. How about honoring commitments? It's also pathetic to insinuate Iran is unreasonable and can't be trusted bearing in mind everything that happened here. It's also interesting that just the other day Trump said the Iranians are very smart and great negotiators, the thing Trump sees himself as. He knows the Iranians aren't irrational and suicidal as many Americans see them as.

Trump is getting absolutely roasted by both sides of the isle so now he's immediately back to making murderous and genocidal threats to get back some of his lost credibilty as a tough man. The deal forbids threats. Trump even threatened Aragchi and Ghalibaf by saying they might not even get back to their country. That's ridiculous and not honorable but some peoplr don't care about such silly things. I fear if the war resumes because Trump fears looking weak (when in fact he's corageous) the nuclear option becomes more likely. Obviously the conventional means didn't work and the types of missiles used so far, like the Tomahawk, have almost ran out.

One thing that might force Trump to eat dirt for the time being is that the oil reserves have run out. If hostilities resume now the "bedlam" he talked about will become real. If the oil flows Iran is doing the US a favor. It's in Iran's favor too though, not denying that, but they have lots of hardliners who are opposed to this but the government is attempting anyway.

[Van_Bilderass]

The Israel agents like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are fuming and are furious at Trump, albeit in a passive aggressive way, indirectly. Levin demands that this turning on Israel must stop! He also says if Iran had a nuke it would immediately fire it as us, "as sure as I'm alive." First of all Iran could have had a nuke a long time ago if it wanted to,  but it didn't. If Iran had wanted to destroy Israel in a suicidal act it could have done so in a couple of days with their conventional missiles. Imagine if it fired all of their arsenal at Israel all at once. Ghalibaf also said that Iran already has a nuke, it's called the Strait of Hormuz, no need for a real one. A much preferable option and not suicidal. Iranians are to a large extent business men or it wouldn't engage in these negotiations at all. It's the US that has acted irrationally by starting all this.

[Grape Ape]

There's the nuclear option

If you mean instead accepting total capitulation and accepting their partner breaking all agreements then yes, America responding by killing them all would be the other option. I think it's really rich for some Americans to insinuate that since America signed a bad deal then America should resort to bombs. How about honoring commitments? It's also pathetic to insinuate Iran is unreasonable and can't be trusted bearing in mind everything that happened here. It's also interesting that just the other day Trump said the Iranians are very smart and great negotiators, the thing Trump sees himself as. He knows the Iranians aren't irrational and suicidal as many Americans see them as.

Trump is getting absolutely roasted by both sides of the isle so now he's immediately back to making murderous and genocidal threats to get back some of his lost credibilty as a tough man. The deal forbids threats. Trump even threatened Aragchi and Ghalibaf by saying they might not even get back to their country. That's ridiculous and not honorable but some peoplr don't care about such silly things. I fear if the war resumes because Trump fears looking weak (when in fact he's corageous) the nuclear option becomes more likely. Obviously the conventional means didn't work and the types of missiles used so far, like the Tomahawk, have almost ran out.

One thing that might force Trump to eat dirt for the time being is that the oil reserves have run out. If hostilities resume now the "bedlam" he talked about will become real. If the oil flows Iran is doing the US a favor. It's in Iran's favor too though, not denying that, but they have lots of hardliners who are opposed to this but the government is attempting anyway.

Hey dude - until Iran gets a new government - fuck them.

[B_B_C]

[Van_Bilderass]

Hey dude - until Iran gets a new government - fuck them.

I wouldn't prefer to live under Islamist rule either. But I kind of feel their way of life and religion is up to the Iranians. A while back Trump held a speech in Saudi, probably written by Vance, saying the US will stop telling ME countries how to live and govern, they can decide as thhey themselves know best. These other coubtries like Saudi that the US has an economically beneficial relatiobship with are Islamist too and execute and torture protesters and regime critics. Not a peep from supposedly principled anti-Islamists. Furthermore Iran has other good qualities, it can keep this oppressive Zionism in check. Who wants Jewish world government, is that the ideal?

BTW if the US and Israel managed regime change in Iran and to put in a Zionist government, nothing stops there. Israel is eyeing Turkey and Egypt and Pakistan next. Where does it end? Should the US go to war with Turkey next like Israel wants? Can't have Israel fight its own wars!

[oldschoolfan]

My rep is on there. I vote against him every time in the primaries, but it’s never close. The district is deep red and the old boomers see his prosthetic legs think he’s a true patriot. He’s the Dan Crenshaw of FL. He literally wore an IDF uniform at Capitol Hill and has accepted $779+K in donations tied to Israel. Bizarre and treasonous behavior.

damm rambo he reminds me of a  weird and certain delta force commando on this forum !

[oldschoolfan]

uncle donald and his fake hair gel  boy hesgerth has allready cost us a half trillion and counting for this goofy war   they backed out of , but hey america first !!

[GymnJuice]

BTW if the US and Israel managed regime change in Iran and to put in a Zionist government, nothing stops there. Israel is eyeing Turkey and Egypt and Pakistan next. Where does it end? Should the US go to war with Turkey next like Israel wants? Can't have Israel fight its own wars!

The leaders of Israel and Turkey criticize each other publicly, but I think it is just political theater to rally their bases. I think Turkey and Israel probably cooperate more than most people realize behind the scenes. I think a lot of those Arab countries do too.

A real war between them would be highly unlikely IMO. Turkey is a NATO member. So them being in open conflict with Israel would put the US in an extremely awkward position.

[Griffith]

The leaders of Israel and Turkey criticize each other publicly, but I think it is just political theater to rally their bases. I think Turkey and Israel probably cooperate more than most people realize behind the scenes. I think a lot of those Arab countries do too.

A real war between them would be highly unlikely IMO. Turkey is a NATO member. So them being in open conflict with Israel would put the US in an extremely awkward position.

An attack on one member is considered an attack on all according to the treaty.

[Van_Bilderass]

The leaders of Israel and Turkey criticize each other publicly, but I think it is just political theater to rally their bases. I think Turkey and Israel probably cooperate more than most people realize behind the scenes. I think a lot of those Arab countries do too.

A real war between them would be highly unlikely IMO. Turkey is a NATO member. So them being in open conflict with Israel would put the US in an extremely awkward position.

Yes, Turkey sells oil to Israel and many have pointed out the hypocrisy, but OTOH the back and forth comments have been very harsh lately. War with Turkey would be a complete disaster and there are strong incentives on both sides to avoid it but my point is that Israel is almost at war with the whole world. I mean to include the social media war, LOL, which is the most important war according to Netanyahu.

The Arab Gulf nations have cooperated a lot with Israel and the US but may seek other arrangements now that the US failed in protecting them.

[Irongrip400]

Yes, Turkey sells oil to Israel and many have pointed out the hypocrisy, but OTOH the back and forth comments have been very harsh lately. War with Turkey would be a complete disaster and there are strong incentives on both sides to avoid it but my point is that Israel is almost at war with the whole world. I mean to include the social media war, LOL, which is the most important war according to Netanyahu.

The Arab Gulf nations have cooperated a lot with Israel and the US but may seek other arrangements now that the US failed in protecting them.

They already bombed Iran and Erdogan didn’t do shit. Just saber rattling on his part. He’s no Ataturk.

[Van_Bilderass]

They already bombed Iran and Erdogan didn’t do shit. Just saved rattling on his part. He’s no Ataturk.

Correct. I don't know much about Turkey and its history, but I saw Doug McGregor say Turkey would be a nightmare to start a war with, they are a martial and warlike people that would "fight to the end once a war starts," and said in his opinion their military is in the top 5 in the world. I do think Israel sees Turkey as an enemy. Erdogan is recently again calling Bibi the Hitler of our times, the butcher of Gaza and a war criminal

A small part of Turkey is also included in the Greater Israel plan and that probably doesn't please the Turks

[AbrahamG]

Correct. I don't know much about Turkey and its history, but I saw Doug McGregor say Turkey would be a nightmare to start a war with, they are a martial and warlike people that would "fight to the end once a war starts," and said in his opinion their military is in the top 5 in the world. I do think Israel sees Turkey as an enemy. Erdogan is recently again calling Bibi the Hitler of our times, the butcher of Gaza and a war criminal

A small part of Turkey is also included in the Greater Israel plan and that probably doesn't please the Turks

Hopefully the Ottoman Empire Part 2 is in the works. 

[Donny]

Erdoğan is another little Dictator
He's a Goat fucker

[Van_Bilderass]

Erdoğan is another little Dictator
He's a Goat fucker

None of the commentators I watch like him at all. Duplicitous.

More comments on the Turkey threat by Israelis. Ten thousand times worse than Iran LOL. First Israel along with the US funded the Sunni terrorists to get rid of Assad, but now they're a problem. And at the same time Trump wants Al Jolani to take care of  Hezbollah LOL.

[chaos]

Seems to be a common denominator here.

[Coach is Back!]

Van might be a bigger propagandist/conspiracy theorist than any lib rag I’ve ever read all wrapped up into one

[Irongrip400]

Van might be a bigger propagandist/conspiracy theorist than any lib rag I’ve ever read all wrapped up into one

The market did great under Obama, so it would seem a successful economy isn’t always a sign of great political policy.

How do you feel we look today regarding Iran?

[Coach is Back!]

The market did great under Obama, so it would seem a successful economy isn’t always a sign of great political policy.

How do you feel we look today regarding Iran?

Dragged out for too long. You can’t negotiate with terrorists especially ones that have chanted everyday for 47 years “Death to America” “Death to Israel”. All layers of their “leadership” are gone. IRGC is charge and I’m pretty sure everyone in the administration knows no matter what’s agreed on and signed they will never hold their end of the deal.

You can’t say Trump didn’t try to use diplomacy but regardless we should have leveled what needed to be leveled and eliminated who needed to be eliminated. Enough is enough. I rarely get pissed at Trump but this dragging out thing pissed me off. It’s frustrating. But then again like everyone else, I’m not there so we really don’t know what’s being said.

You can’t negotiate with a regime who only bases their fights on religious ideology and are willing to become martyrs for it.

[Royalty]

Dragged out for too long. You can’t negotiate with terrorists especially ones that have chanted everyday for 47 years “Death to America” “Death to Israel”. All layers of their “leadership” are gone. IRGC is charge and I’m pretty sure everyone in the administration knows no matter what’s agreed on and signed they will never hold their end of the deal.

You can’t say Trump didn’t try to use diplomacy but regardless we should have leveled what needed to be leveled and eliminated who needed to be eliminated. Enough is enough. I rarely get pissed at Trump but this dragging out thing pissed me off. It’s frustrating. But then again like everyone else, I’m not there so we really don’t know what’s being said.

You can’t negotiate with a regime who only bases their fights on religious ideology and are willing to become martyrs for it.

Let’s not forget that just prior to the war, Iran hanged one of their own Olympic Wrestlers who was only 19 years old. He was executed in public in order to send a warning to the rest of the Iranian population.

Iran is notorious for executing wrestling champions. They feel it’s the best way to keep the rest of the population in check.

[B_B_C]

Let’s not forget that just prior to the war, Iran hanged one of their own Olympic Wrestlers who was only 19 years old. He was executed in public in order to send a warning to the rest of the Iranian population.

Mr Trump attacked Iran because it uses capital punishment?

[Royalty]

Mr Trump attacked Iran because it uses capital punishment?

Hi Supreme Leader of Iran!!

[chaos]

Dragged out for too long. You can’t negotiate with terrorists especially ones that have chanted everyday for 47 years “Death to America” “Death to Israel”. All layers of their “leadership” are gone. IRGC is charge and I’m pretty sure everyone in the administration knows no matter what’s agreed on and signed they will never hold their end of the deal.

You can’t say Trump didn’t try to use diplomacy but regardless we should have leveled what needed to be leveled and eliminated who needed to be eliminated. Enough is enough. I rarely get pissed at Trump but this dragging out thing pissed me off. It’s frustrating. But then again like everyone else, I’m not there so we really don’t know what’s being said.

You can’t negotiate with a regime who only bases their fights on religious ideology and are willing to become martyrs for it.

On day 1.

[Coach is Back!]

Mr Trump attacked Iran because it uses capital punishment?

Exposed....what you're saying is that those executions are justified on innocent people. Got it. Tard