The Top Ten Lies Told by Pros

[The Wizard of Truth]

That is a simple traffic violation, drugs are an arrestable offense you can do prison time for.  Fail. 

Steroids in Ireland are not arrestable for possesion,they take them off you then stare at your muscles,thats all

[Van_Bilderass]

They also dont give the drugs that much credit as it's a level playing field which pretty much makes it a moot point

Chick, please be honest. Isn't there a lot of shit talking among pros about what other guys are doing drug wise? Like your buddy "DA BULL" talked about Kai Greene getting sick from doing huge amounts of Cytadren and insulin and whatever the hell else. Some pros are taking chances with drugs and sometimes succeeding and I'm positive even among the pros there's jealousy and talk about drugs being the factor in someone doing especially well. If it's a totally level playing field wrt drugs why was Levrone and other pros accusing Chad for circumventing the diuretic test with other radical measures?

I have personally heard a pro talk about a couple of other pros and how drugs were responsible for their size. Not once was dedication and training and diet mentioned (eating well and training is a given) - it was how much shit they were willing to take.

[Van_Bilderass]

Again, normal consumers in this market don't think like that.  I have worked with the companies that you talk like you know everything about.  As I said above, they care about developing great products and creating cutting edge supplements.  I have a feeling nothing I say will sway you and thats ok.

Of course I know I'm not the average consumer. The average consumer is a young know-nothing teen reading the ads. Which is a higher quality and purest protein: the purest whey isolate from trueprotein or Muscletech's Nitro "contains 98% pure whey isolate" Tech? You know the answer, it's obvious.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Chick, please be honest. Isn't there a lot of shit talking among pros about what other guys are doing drug wise? Like your buddy "DA BULL" talked about Kai Greene getting sick from doing huge amounts of Cytadren and insulin and whatever the hell else. Some pros are taking chances with drugs and sometimes succeeding and I'm positive even among the pros there's jealousy and talk about drugs being the factor in someone doing especially well. If it's a totally level playing field wrt drugs why was Levrone and other pros accusing Chad for circumventing the diuretic test with other radical measures?

I have personally heard a pro talk about a couple of other pros and how drugs were responsible for their size. Not once was dedication and training and diet mentioned (eating well and training is a given) - it was how much shit they were willing to take.

Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's.  In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better.  Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays.  That's bullshit.  Training really hasn't changed all that much.  All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things.  There is no one secret diet or secret routine.  The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs.  Plain and simple.  If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts!  I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well.  They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter.   All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.

[Van_Bilderass]

Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays.  That's bullshit. 

Absolutely. I've made the same point many many times. Rice, chicken, beef, potatoes... where's the advancement and science? Nothing's changed. Some now do the Palumbo diet... hello Gironda!

[gh15]

Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's.  In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better.  Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays.  That's bullshit.  Training really hasn't changed all that much.  All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things.  There is no one secret diet or secret routine.  The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs.  Plain and simple.  If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts!  I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well.  They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter.   All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.

gh15 approved,, i like this fella

the only diff between then and now are the drugs ,,mainly the hormones gh insulin and igf,,fellas like tomas prince and phil heath were and are result of products such as gh insulin and igf along with lots of others stuff,,

over the counter supplemets do not and will not work ,,they go straight to poop and pee,,few may increase strength ...IN YOUR HEAD and give yo u20 more pounds lift or some water retetnion in the midsection like creatin thus making your 10% bodyfat look like 15% but! in general nothing will happen ,,strength DOES NOT = muscle size or shape,,

plmety of 170 pounders who lift like 230 pounds,,,do they look like them? not in a life time,,,do they work as hard as them ? you better believe it if not more,,

drugs make you lazy ,,you want to sleep ,,you lift efficiently but short times,,drugs give you the ability to cheat on diet and training and i done it million times ,,

infact soem naturals on gh dont even diet..they load on gh and cut while eating out ALL THE TIME

hell many  cut down from 10 to 7% by using minimal doses of gh for 3-4 weeks!! and with no aas

gh15 approved

[wild willie]

Drugs are 98-99%.
See Levrone, Flex, Arnold, Haney, etc... without drugs : there are totally normal.

If that is true..... why don't you load up on the sauce and you too can be just like Arnold...... You are insane to make this comment...... sure juice is a factor but so are genetics.....work ethic and knowlege of training and dieting.

You are one of these people who sits and plays the roll of the arm chair bodybuilder and you keep telling yourself that you could look just like Haney if only you would take anabolics....... please, my friend, don't talk nonsense here....please!

[Chick]

u could be training for 40 years and still be stuck at 200 lbs @ 12 % if not for drugs

Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.

[MuscleMcMannus]

If that is true..... why don't you load up on the sauce and you too can be just like Arnold...... You are insane to make this comment...... sure juice is a factor but so are genetics.....work ethic and knowlege of training and dieting.

You are one of these people who sits and plays the roll of the arm chair bodybuilder and you keep telling yourself that you could look just like Haney if only you would take anabolics....... please, my friend, don't talk nonsense here....please!

First off Arnold's genetics don't even compare to those of Levrone and Flex Wheeler.  The latter are in a completely different realm genetically.  Arnold started using steroids at a very young age, rumored around 15-16 possibly even 14.  It was evident by the time he was 18 he had been using steroids for a significant amount of time.  I can tell you without a doubt that if I used steroids at 16 and continued to do so regularly throughout my teens and early 20's I would be much bigger and much more impressive than I am now.  (LOL I'm not that impressive so all you pic demanding fucktards can shut up)  No I wouldn't look anything like Arnold but to say why don't you jump on the sauce and see if you look like Arnold is childish and doesn't take into account Arnold's history of using drugs.  Arnold was HUGE at 18 years old.  You see the offseason pics of Arnold? LMAO!  He looks like an average joe.  His legs are tiny.  Arnold competed in a different era.  Arnold represented the first bodybuilder to incorporate the more is better attitude of steroids, especially considering Arnold's do anything to win at all costs attitude.  Plus most of the beginning steroid use came from Arnold's part of the world.  I.e. Russia, europe etc.    

[MuscleMcMannus]

Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.

LOL drug testing in the 1990s is supposed to mean everyone was actually clean?  Come on dude you work or the IFBB you know how drug testing goes and the history of it.  Drug testing can barely keep up with all the players using in the Olympics and this is the year 2009. 

[Chick]

Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's.  In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better.  Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays.  That's bullshit.  Training really hasn't changed all that much.  All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things.  There is no one secret diet or secret routine.  The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs.  Plain and simple.  If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts!  I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well.  They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter.   All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.

Trust me...the pro's of the golden era took more shit than you can imagine. It was all over the place, REAL pharmacudical grade, cheap, and no one gave a rats ass. If you believe for one minute all ther stories of "If I took what these guys today are taking...."

There are many factors as to why the guys of today are bigger, more cut, etc....ONE of those factors is drugs....just like every other sport and why they are bigger, faster, stronger.

[Chick]

LOL drug testing in the 1990s is supposed to mean everyone was actually clean?  Come on dude you work or the IFBB you know how drug testing goes and the history of it.  Drug testing can barely keep up with all the players using in the Olympics and this is the year 2009. 

I dont know about everyone...I can only speak for myself in response to the statement of being 200 at 12% BF....

[MuscleMcMannus]

Haha yes Arnold was a genetic freak in every sense of the word!  

http://westplains1.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12346

[Blockhead]

 I am willing to bet we will start seeing current IFBB pros downsize a little or look less than stellar than the recent pass with Dave Jacobs getting murdered. Jacobs supplied the entire 2006-2007 Mr. Olympia line-up with real quality shit.


 - Block!

[MuscleMcMannus]

Trust me...the pro's of the golden era took more shit than you can imagine. It was all over the place, REAL pharmacudical grade, cheap, and no one gave a rats ass. If you believe for one minute all ther stories of "If I took what these guys today are taking...."

There are many factors as to why the guys of today are bigger, more cut, etc....ONE of those factors is drugs....just like every other sport and why they are bigger, faster, stronger.

Grimek, Draper, Pearl hardly took more shit than I can imagine.  Yes I believe they most definitely downplay their steroid use but it definitely wasn't the mind boggling amounts you make them out to be.  Now Arnold, Sergio, and others were the beginning of heavy steroid use.  But the golden era bodybuilders use was pretty moderate. Otherwise yes I agree with you.

[Van_Bilderass]

I am willing to bet we will start seeing current IFBB pros downsize a little or look less than stellar than the recent pass with Dave Jacobs getting murdered. Jacobs supplied the entire 2006-2007 Mr. Olympia line-up with real quality shit.


 - Block!

You can't be serious.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Look at the pics I posted.  The progression of Arnold from a young school boy probably 13-14 years old then at 16 then at 18-19.  It's insane.  Anyone that thinks that type of progress is doable naturally is a fucking moron.  And that was in the 50's and 60's.  40-50 YEARS AGO!  But we do have our little Arnold's here on getbig that claim to be natural and make the  same amount of gains he did due to them being better at eating and working out harder in the gym.  LMAO! 

[Palpatine Q]

Grimek, Draper, Pearl hardly took more shit than I can imagine.  Yes I believe they most definitely downplay their steroid use but it definitely wasn't the mind boggling amounts you make them out to be.  Now Arnold, Sergio, and others were the beginning of heavy steroid use.  But the golden era bodybuilders use was pretty moderate. Otherwise yes I agree with you.

how do you know?

[njflex]

Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.

and looked pretty good too.for what its worth.

[MCWAY]

We liike to call those little things 'facts'

 

In what Bizarro world would that be the case?

Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).

Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!

There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.

Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.

[njflex]

In what Bizarro world would that be the case?

Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).

Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!

There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.

Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.

THATS fine and all and more power to you and your belief in your ability to get bigger clean,it will work out best for your overall health in the end,but whats being debated is how to take ones body and through anabolics taking it to the limit of size,hardness,stuff that natural food ,training,supp's can never,ever get you.security is the key word,in yourself to get in shape and to forget about flex magazine,muscle mag's take on how to be a pro through such and such proven methods.either natural or enhanced there will always be someone bigger,better,than you.

[MuscleMcMannus]

In what Bizarro world would that be the case?

Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).

Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!

There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.

Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.

Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally.  Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense.  You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally.  Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s"  THEN you decided to try prohormones?  Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones? 

I'll tell you why.  Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight.  However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time.  I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year.  LOL.  I can put an inch on my arms in several months.  But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with.  I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you.  I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too.  Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs. 

[Palpatine Q]

Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally.  Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense.  You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally.  Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s"  THEN you decided to try prohormones?  Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones? 

I'll tell you why.  Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight.  However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time.  I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year.  LOL.  I can put an inch on my arms in several months.  But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with.  I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you.  I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too.  Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs. 

i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids.  i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.

[bigdumbbell]

i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids.  i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.

oh oh watersports 

[MCWAY]

Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally.  Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense.  You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally.  Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s"  THEN you decided to try prohormones?  Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones? 

It makes a lot of sense, if you know more of what actually happened. Unfortunately, fall semesters at school were horrible, because it usually took about 2 months for me to get my financial aid/scholarship money. In hindsight, I should have taken a part-time job. Anyway, with no extra food (outside what was in the cafeteria) and no weight gainer or protein powder, my weight DROPPED.

Therefore, by the time I got my money, I had to regain my lost size. Only after that, did I end up surpassing my previous bodyweight.

The "late 90s" would be 1997, the first time I got up to 231 lbs. The transition from school to home (for the summer) cost me about 10 lbs, until I got a summer job. I got that lost weight back and added a little more.

As for the prohormone thing, a local supplement vendor (at a neighboring college) was selling my favorite weight gainer (N-Large; I switched to that from Mega Mass, that year) for cheaper than GNC had it at the time. He also had some Andro there, which was cheaper as well. Having heard good things about it, I decided to give it a try. At that time, my weight was around 235-240. The issue wasn't "need".

I'll tell you why.  Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight.  However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time.  I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year.  LOL.  I can put an inch on my arms in several months.  But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with.  I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you.  I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too.  Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs. 

First of all, it's hardly EASY (at least, for me) to bulk up and put on weight. The reason I was able to do it is because I made modifications to my diet and STUCK with it, no matter how miserable I felt at times.

I wasn't aiming for "best abs of the year". Abs were hardly a concern of mine. In fact, my issue was that my abs were just about the ONLY muscles that were significantly developed at that time. I wanted more size and strength. So, I changed my diet and obtained them. I looked and felt much better at 210 than at 189 and got a healthy share of compliments for my improvements.