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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on March 31, 2011, 10:32:27 PM
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
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I agree 10000%, now you just have to convince the judges.
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.
Bodybuilding was too of course.
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.
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I agree 10000%, now you just have to convince the judges.
Fuck trying to convince them. How bout someone just hold a show with just the basics and go back to judging the way it used to be. Call it Mr. Whatever and give them a nice trophy like the old days.
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
Sadly those days are gone bro.
Now we have insulin and growth hormone filled abominations representing the "sport" you used to love.
Its in the gutter bro! Its not coming back.
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But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.
I'd say no, but coach was around it more than me so maybe he could answer that.
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Sadly those days are gone bro.
Now we have insulin and growth hormone filled abominations representing the "sport" you used to love.
Its in the gutter bro! Its not coming back.
Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.
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But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.
No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
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Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.
Bodybuilding was too of course.
Agreed.
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Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.
Unfortunately, like us when we were growing up, they open a magazine and see these huge bodybuilders, train there asses off only to realize they're magazine hero's are juiced to the gills and resort to what a lot of us, did only in this day and age, it's much more dangerous.
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No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
I remember seeing Chris Dickerson leaving the Veterans Memorial in 1981 after placing second to the one legged lactating wonder and he was dressed in a suit. He looked pretty sharp in it too. Can you imagine some of these guys today wearing a suit?
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No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.
Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.
Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.
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I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.
Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.
Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.
So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.
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I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.
Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.
Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.
I didn't say no body was taking it, I'm saying that training came first. Back then I was one Dr.Kerr's patients so I know first hand what came first and what came second.
Jim, Dickerson was one of the pros I had in mind when i wrote that post. He had class with professionalism. Jim Morris and Bob Paris were the same way.
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Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.
Either the judging needs to be changed ( which it wont )
Or there needs to be a "classic" division or something like that started.
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So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.
Well, Arnold is Arnold, but yes i think he couldn't win a local show.
If you forget for a moment that he is Arnold, he would be too smooth, legs are not big enough, abs are not deeply cut and he hasn't got striated butt cheeks.
I agree that Arnold looks much better than todays BB, but then again that is what the judges want, just take for example Swampi the Cocksmith winning "Amateur Mr Olympia", Arnold wouldn't stand a chance against him by today's standards.
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Either the judging needs to be changed ( which it wont )
Or there needs to be a "classic" division or something like that started.
Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.
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So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.
Yes
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Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.
Maybe someone in Yorkville Ohio could do it? ;)
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Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.
That would be great, back then Mr Olympia was in a different country every year, that's great IMO.
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It's too late. The envelope has been pushed, and there's no going back. Look at FBB, they've tried for years reeling it in. It is IMPOSSIBLE. It's not the schmoes and the judges, it's just the progression of the "sport", even if it is in a horrible direction.
Bodybuilding is the only "sport" that has progressed yet it has taken 1000 steps backwards at the same time.
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That would be great, back then Mr Olympia was in a different country every year, that's great IMO.
How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??
They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.
Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.
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Well, Arnold is Arnold, but yes i think he couldn't win a local show.
If you forget for a moment that he is Arnold, he would be too smooth, legs are not big enough, abs are not deeply cut and he hasn't got striated butt cheeks.
I agree that Arnold looks much better than todays BB, but then again that is what the judges want, just take for example Swampi the Cocksmith winning "Amateur Mr Olympia", Arnold wouldn't stand a chance against him by today's standards.
Well, back then big legs weren't needed, but it's not to say that these guys couldn't build them bigger. Once Platz came on the scene everyone started concentrating on bigger legs and it went from there.
Now, as far as Arnold and Sami, post some pics of these two. Sami isn't even on the same planet as far as comparison.
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How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??
They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.
Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.
Yes, "classic BB" is the most prominent class in Europe, much more competitors than in "real" BB.
Also a much better alternative than the boardshorts Bullshit.
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Well, back then big legs weren't needed, but it's not to say that these guys couldn't build them bigger. Once Platz came on the scene everyone started concentrating on bigger legs and it went from there.
Now, as far as Arnold and Sami, post some pics of these two. Sami isn't even on the same planet as far as comparison.
I don't want to fight with you as i am totally your opinion, i'm just playing the devil's advocate.
I prefer Arnold's look over any of today's BBs every day, but i think that with Arnold's body, you wouldn't win shit in today's BB.
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That's the thing, it isn't 1000 steps backwards, it's 1000 steps forwards. It's just that it's about 900 steps too far forward.
LOL True.
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How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??
They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.
Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.
It's funny because I always thought it would be cool for someone to at least do a tribute (or something like that) to old school bodybuilding, during my routine I even hit a couple of old school Bill Pearl poses in the last show. (No, hes not gay ::))
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I remember seeing Chris Dickerson leaving the Veterans Memorial in 1981 after placing second to the one legged lactating wonder and he was dressed in a suit. He looked pretty sharp in it too. Can you imagine some of these guys today wearing a suit?
dexter does and did after the 08 olympia. he looked kinda like a regular guy.
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I don't want to fight with you as i am totally your opinion, i'm just playing the devil's advocate.
I prefer Arnold's look over any of today's BBs every day, but i think that with Arnold's body, you wouldn't win shit in today's BB.
I know what you are saying bro, but wouldn't you agree that there isn't anyone that is winning local shows that is built better than Arnold, at least none that I know of.
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dexter does and did after the 08 olympia. he looked kinda like a regular guy.
Dexter still looks a lot like the older guys, but he has always had trouble with leg separation, but I do agree he looks good.
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I know what you are saying bro, but wouldn't you agree that there isn't anyone that is winning local shows that is built better than Arnold, at least none that I know of.
There isn't, but even if there were, an Arnold couldn't win today.
That's two separate things!
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I think we all would agree that Arnie had some smaller legs, but he did have some great separation.
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To be honest I sometimes think that pro bb should just go under. Then maybe we could go back to the drawing board and reinvent the old look. I am NOT saying guys have to get smaller, just start marking down for big guts and rewarding a more classic look albeit bigger.
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I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.
Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.
Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.
very good posting
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To be honest I sometimes think that pro bb should just go under. Then maybe we could go back to the drawing board and reinvent the old look. I am NOT saying guys have to get smaller, just start marking down for big guts and rewarding a more classic look albeit bigger.
True.
Or let the IFBB be the IFBB and start some own league, people competing for fun in schools and let that grow slowly.
I think it could be quite popular, albeit it would take a time to make it bigger than local.
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To be honest I sometimes think that pro bb should just go under. Then maybe we could go back to the drawing board and reinvent the old look. I am NOT saying guys have to get smaller, just start marking down for big guts and rewarding a more classic look albeit bigger.
pro bodybuilding should go back to fellas who compete 180-240lb,, it should be back to where it was 1970 and 1980,, no insulin what so ever,,gh is fine but no abuse ,,and all you can eat aas buffet which is ok and actualy develop the muscle and not just blow it up...
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very good posting
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Thanks a lot.
I learned from you, LOL.
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the guts of the whole machinery has to be taken out and it all has to be built back up from scratch.
competitive bb'ing today isnt about building the 'ideal physique' anymore. its an embarrassing sideshow that is only causing us to be looked at like a bunch of weirdos.
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Sadly those days are gone bro.
Now we have insulin and growth hormone filled abominations representing the "sport" you used to love.
Its in the gutter bro! Its not coming back.
a fella like peter putnam in 70s and 80s woud not even be able to get a chance to comepte for profesional card,,fellas that today actualy walk around 250 lb of shit ,,they are low body fat but the fat is inside the muscle and lots of insulin ,,those fellas really ruined bodybuild ,,the damage is enormous,,
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the guts of the whole machinery has to be taken out and it all has to be built back up from scratch.
competitive bb'ing today isnt about building the 'ideal physique' anymore. its an embarrassing sideshow that is only causing us to be looked at like a bunch of weirdos.
It's about who can take the most drugs without dying.
If a thing like Branch Warren can win a show, you should shut down the circus immediatly.
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Agreed on both you guys points. The guys back in the 70's and 80's took a lot of STEROIDS. What is ruining bodybuilding today in a nut shell is insulin and overeating!!!!!!! Eating massive amount of food and using tons of slin. How many of you guys have seen some of the pros when they were younger and said wow so and so looked great back then? Yes they did because their physiques had not been ruined yet thru slin abuse.
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You guys like to rip on Branch so lets use him for an example. What if Branch stopped using insulin completely just slin and nothing else. He would also have to adjust his diet accordingly. He would come into these shows with a smaller waist and with a tighter more shredded look mainly in the upper body where he lacks it now. Of course I am no so sure some of these guys could ever go back to what they used to look like. Even Dorian has somewhat of an distended gut these days. Also, I was kinda surprised at the Palumbo pics too.
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No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
you will never get thsoe time again unles disaster of major proprtion hit the world,, and it most likley wont in your life time,,the 70s and 80s is long long time memory that if you were lucky to be adult or even kid in those times you are one of the most fortune humans,,the machinary in the form of computers advanced society but also ruined the world ,,today you take cell phone from girl and the girl is going to mental hospital ,,people actualy runing their BANK ACCOUNTS FROM THEIR CELL PHONE WITH ALL CODES AND EVERYTHIN,,people rely on computer to a point that if something happen they will shoot themselves or stay lost and die,, it is already in the blood like hiv,,it now develped into aids...it eats society ,,and thus bodybuild is nothing different,,who do you think do bodybuild? thsoe same felas who their girlfriend going around with cell phone 24 7 and live her life by it texting every 36 second ,,sorry every 11 seconds ,,cant even sit and eat in restaurant with out the whore texting... same for people not wanting to even deal or call pon the phoen to anyone or forget about going and meeting face to face,,no one does it,,they all do everything from cell or from their lap ....
no one even beat up anyone anymore,,they all own eachother on computers,,back in the 80s you would tak ethe fuckin kid outside and beat him up or fight him ....today if you do it ,,the kid pull a gun or a knife so you cant even go into good ole fight because there wil always be a gun and someone really die....
so what we stay with is SHIT SOCIETY and only major disaster can change it and move back time,,anyother way we go forword...but in reality every forword in the so called modern technological era = step into no where ,,into lonliness and into insanity,,it wil all fal apart you can see it with the american goverment,,it all falls apart,,slowly and safely ,,god forbid if americana ever fall apart this world is over then
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you will never get thsoe time again unles disaster of major proprtion hit the world,, and it most likley wont in your life time,,the 70s and 80s is long long time memory that if you were lucky to be adult or even kid in those times you are one of the most fortune humans,,the machinary in the form of computers advanced society but also ruined the world ,,today you take cell phone from girl and the girl is going to mental hospital ,,people actualy runing their BANK ACCOUNTS FROM THEIR CELL PHONE WITH ALL CODES AND EVERYTHIN,,people rely on computer to a point that if something happen they will shoot themselves or stay lost and die,, it is already in the blood like hiv,,it now develped into aids...it eats society ,,and thus bodybuild is nothing different,,who do you think do bodybuild? thsoe same felas who their girlfriend going around with cell phone 24 7 and live her life by it texting every 36 second ,,sorry every 11 seconds ,,cant even sit and eat in restaurant with out the whore texting... same for people not wanting to even deal or call pon the phoen to anyone or forget about going and meeting face to face,,no one does it,,they all do everything from cell or from their lap ....
no one even beat up anyone anymore,,they all own eachother on computers,,back in the 80s you would tak ethe fuckin kid outside and beat him up or fight him ....today if you do it ,,the kid pull a gun or a knife so you cant even go into good ole fight because there wil always be a gun and someone really die....
so what we stay with is SHIT SOCIETY and only major disaster can change it and move back time,,anyother way we go forword...but in reality every forword in the so called modern technological era = step into no where ,,into lonliness and into insanity,,it wil all fal apart you can see it with the american goverment,,it all falls apart,,slowly and safely ,,god forbid if americana ever fall apart this world is over then
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100% fucking spot on.
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True.
Or let the IFBB be the IFBB and start some own league, people competing for fun in schools and let that grow slowly.
I think it could be quite popular, albeit it would take a time to make it bigger than local.
Come to the Yokosuka show this year, very local show, people competing for fun, drug use at the minimum, no freaks, held in a theater, very old school ;)
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Come to the Yokosuka show this year, very local show, people competing for fun, drug use at the minimum, no freaks, held in a theater, very old school ;)
i will go there for sure!
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i will go there for sure!
Perhaps as a competitor? ;)
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Perhaps as a competitor? ;)
Could happen!
Lately i feel like competing a bit. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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what's the point?
does any of GB got enough power to change something?
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Yes, "classic BB" is the most prominent class in Europe, much more competitors than in "real" BB.
Also a much better alternative than the boardshorts Bullshit.
In the UK the Classic classes have no more competitors than any other class, usually less in fact...furthermore it is seen as less important than the weight classes by most IMO.
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I miss the old days !! :(
I remember entering my first power meet back in 1974 in Boston,and waiting until midnight for the physique contest to start.................ba sketball gym,one light slung over the basketball hoop,(it created great shadows),black backdrop,posing dias with three levels for 1st. through 3rd. place,Len Archambault winning the show and his training partner a then unknown Manny Perry taking 2nd.place.
I was also saw Arnie,Franco,Katz,Lou,Dickerson,Boyer Coe..............these guys today IMO,pale by comparison.
Guys looked like live sculpture back then not elephants in thongs!!
Len Archambault:
(http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/454021d7000571c8)
Manuel Perry (far right):
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_W1HsDawS3TY/TGSkrx9M0lI/AAAAAAAAMwU/zuORZV7Ca8k/s1600/Andreas+Cahling,+Ron+Teufel,+Manuel+Perry,+1977+Mr.+America.jpg)
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Thanks a lot.
I learned from you, LOL.
mutual moron society...
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I see several posts here that suggest bodybuilding will never go back to what it once was. I am not sure what years this refers to, but let's say the 1960's. In the 1960's competitive bodybuilders did use steroids, but not to the extent they do today and the array and use of bodybuilding enhancing drugs and supplements was not as far reaching or sophisticated as it is today. Over all, competitive bodybuilders were a lot smaller than they are today. To my way of thinking, they were also more symmetrically pleasing.
Eventually, bodybuilders will have gotten about as big as is humanly possible. In order to be a winner one will have to bring something new to the stage. It is not unthinkable that there will be a trend towards healthier and more natural looking bodybuilders in the future. Bodybuilding like anything else isn't static. What is popular one day becomes unpopular the next.
One thing that has changed for sure is that even the average Joe doesn't look the same as the average Joe from the 1960's did. This could be because, steroids and supplements aside, most foods today are genetically manipulated, such as using hormones to grow bigger chickens or hybridizing tomatoes to make them meatier and larger. We eat this stuff. Who knows what it is doing to us. Personally, I think this is part of what is responsible for the increase in obesity today.
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No one can control or dictate what anybody takes or uses. As far as I'm concern a person can take and use anything they want. What matters is the standards used in judging the winner. If a person is drowning in GH and insulin but comes on stage looking like Bob Paris then he should win. Whatever someone is taking or not taking if they have a huge gut, marshmellow looking muscles, and oil filled biceps then they should lose.
Bodybuilders do what they do because they are rewarded for it. I truly doubt that the majority of them like doing what they have to do to win. Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.
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pro bodybuilding should go back to fellas who compete 180-240lb,, it should be back to where it was 1970 and 1980,, no insulin what so ever,,gh is fine but no abuse ,,and all you can eat aas buffet which is ok and actualy develop the muscle and not just blow it up...
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I totally agree here. We know from roughly 100 years of bodybuilding history that pretty much no human has looked their best over 240 lbs. The most genetically elite guys with modern drug use (Dorian & Ronnie) were arguably better in the high 240's, but that's nitpicking. The most glaring difference between then and now is bodyweight, always added in all the wrong places. The judges would have to mark down for suspected SEO, but otherwise just set a weight limit. No weigh-in 2 days early either, weigh in when you arrive to pre-judging.
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bodybuilding has always been a contest of who can take the most drugs
you can't expect to duplicate the ironage by simply down-sizing the physiques
a physique built on dbol and test will look different from one on tren and gh
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I see several posts here that suggest bodybuilding will never go back to what it once was. I am not sure what years this refers to, but let's say the 1960's. In the 1960's competitive bodybuilders did use steroids, but not to the extent they do today and the array and use of bodybuilding enhancing drugs and supplements was not as far reaching or sophisticated as it is today. Over all, competitive bodybuilders were a lot smaller than they are today. To my way of thinking, they were also more symmetrically pleasing.
Eventually, bodybuilders will have gotten about as big as is humanly possible. In order to be a winner one will have to bring something new to the stage. It is not unthinkable that there will be a trend towards healthier and more natural looking bodybuilders in the future. Bodybuilding like anything else isn't static. What is popular one day becomes unpopular the next.
One thing that has changed for sure is that even the average Joe doesn't look the same as the average Joe from the 1960's did. This could be because, steroids and supplements aside, most foods today are genetically manipulated, such as using hormones to grow bigger chickens or hybridizing tomatoes to make them meatier and larger. We eat this stuff. Who knows what it is doing to us. Personally, I think this is part of what is responsible for the increase in obesity today.
In my case it would have been the mid-70's through about or close to the end of the 80's.
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No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
And if not a suit and tie, they wore dress slacks, dress shoes and a real nice shirt. Yes drugs were the finishing touches and training came first. It also wasn’t uncommon that if you were serious and trained hard a Pro would come over to spot or encourage you on a set, offer genuine advice and invite you to train with them. That’s how I ended up training with Danny Padilla, Bill Grant, Rick Valente (not a Pro but a real good guy), Samir Bannout, the Mentzers and was coached my Rory. That would have never happened if they had seen me training like a wuss.
You could walk up to Casey Viator, Chris Dickerson, Larry Jackson, Robert Jodkiewicz or any one of a dozen recognizable names and offer a spot or some encouragement and they would open up and welcome the interaction which happened on a regular basis. No one (at least that I’m aware of) looked at you like they were better than you or that you had some ulterior motive. It was called camaraderie.
Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.
We didn’t have donkey calf machines and donkey calf raises were part of a normal leg workout. I guess to an outsider that would have seemed gay. Glad someone invented the machine.
The sport wasn’t gay but as always there were gays at the shows. I’ve known just about every name from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s and only met 4 who I knew to be gay. However, I had never encountered so many gays as there were in Santa Monica when I first moved here in 1980. It was like here a gay, there a gay, everywhere a gay, gay. Venice beach had a whole section that was “the gay section”. But that had nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seemed to be geographic because when I moved to the South Bay (Redondo Beach/Torrance) the ratio of gay to straight people seemed more balanced.
Two of the three known ‘steroid doctors’ were gay guys who went to them, had deal with that or go to the black market. Fortunately, I went the Dr. Kerr in San Gabriel and he was the straight one.
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How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??
They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.
Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.
nah, it doesnt work the way you think it will, the way its set out all the physiques you think would win are still too heavy to enter, so all you end up with is underdeveloped and alot of the time unsymmetrical physiques
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compared to other sports, it's not really about the money today either
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No one can control or dictate what anybody takes or uses. As far as I'm concern a person can take and use anything they want. What matters is the standards used in judging the winner. If a person is drowning in GH and insulin but comes on stage looking like Bob Paris then he should win. Whatever someone is taking or not taking if they have a huge gut, marshmellow looking muscles, and oil filled biceps then they should lose.
Bodybuilders do what they do because they are rewarded for it. I truly doubt that the majority of them like doing what they have to do to win. Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.
theres guys doing this who dont even compete... some just love being big
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Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.
That's why there needs to be a weight limit. Don't leave it up to the judges and competitors to determine the look. These guys don't like walking around at 300+ lbs anyways, sweating and out of breath all the time.
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nah, it doesnt work the way you think it will, the way its set out all the physiques you think would win are still too heavy to enter, so all you end up with is underdeveloped and alot of the time unsymmetrical physiques
yep...they have weight limits based on competitor's height...i think these are the current limits:
168 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 0 kgs)
171 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 2 kgs)
175 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 4 kgs)
180 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 6 kgs)
Over 180 cm (max weight: height – 100 + 8 kgs)
So competitor being 180cm (around 5'11) tall could weigh (180-100+6)kgs = 86kgs = 189lbs
And liar priest being 162cm (around 5'4) tall could weigh (162-100)kgs = 62kgs = 136lbs
so yes, kinda twinks compared with current guys...but still pretty muscular if in contest shape and just at the weight limit...but the think in some countries is that these guys, unlike "real" bodybuilders are really tested, both in contests and during their off-season...however, there's big national differences in doping protocol and in many southern and eastern europe countries testing is quite non-existent but in scandinavia it's a whole another thing...
This guy, Peter Wilenius, is the 2009 or 2010 finnish champion, i'm not sure about the year, did ok at the worlds too
(http://www.mikanyyssola.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/peter-wilenius.jpg)
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And if not a suit and tie, they wore dress slacks, dress shoes and a real nice shirt. Yes drugs were the finishing touches and training came first. It also wasn’t uncommon that if you were serious and trained hard a Pro would come over to spot or encourage you on a set, offer genuine advice and invite you to train with them. That’s how I ended up training with Danny Padilla, Bill Grant, Rick Valente (not a Pro but a real good guy), Samir Bannout, the Mentzers and was coached my Rory. That would have never happened if they had seen me training like a wuss.
You could walk up to Casey Viator, Chris Dickerson, Larry Jackson, Robert Jodkiewicz or any one of a dozen recognizable names and offer a spot or some encouragement and they would open up and welcome the interaction which happened on a regular basis. No one (at least that I’m aware of) looked at you like they were better than you or that you had some ulterior motive. It was called camaraderie.
Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.
We didn’t have donkey calf machines and donkey calf raises were part of a normal leg workout. I guess to an outsider that would have seemed gay. Glad someone invented the machine.
The sport wasn’t gay but as always there were gays at the shows. I’ve known just about every name from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s and only met 4 who I knew to be gay. However, I had never encountered so many gays as there were in Santa Monica when I first moved here in 1980. It was like here a gay, there a gay, everywhere a gay, gay. Venice beach had a whole section that was “the gay section”. But that had nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seemed to be geographic because when I moved to the South Bay (Redondo Beach/Torrance) the ratio of gay to straight people seemed more balanced.
Two of the three known ‘steroid doctors’ were gay guys who went to them, had deal with that or go to the black market. Fortunately, I went the Dr. Kerr in San Gabriel and he was the straight one.
Speaking of Rory, I just found out a couple of weeks ago he was dating my ex-wife (#1) and they just broke up after something like a year, no wonder why he wasn't returning my calls...LOL!
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Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.
dont be niave
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Tbombz, one conversation you should seriously stay out of are the ones where people like myself and Maxrep were actually apart of. I'm 100% serious on this one.
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Tbombz, one conversation you should seriously stay out of are the ones where people like myself and Maxrep were actually apart of. I'm 100% serious on this one.
legal steroids accessible and affordable for everyone, yet nobody uses more than 300-500mg per week coach? ::) ::)
theres a plethora of guys from back in the day that talk about chewing handfuls of dbol like they were candy multiple times per day
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Not saying there weren't but the vast majority didn't, there were always a few that thought more was better. But we knew, especially the pros that went to Kerr, what they took and how much.
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Not saying there weren't but the vast majority didn't, there were always a few that thought more was better. But we knew, especially the pros that went to Kerr, what they took and how much.
and you walked to school 20 miles up hill in the snow both ways right.
fucking old people always think their generation was better than the new one.
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Roy Callender personally told me they used a FUCK LOAD of drugs back then
he didn't say any amounts tho
he always say: "don't bodybuild if you are scared of needles"
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Who said it was better dumbshit, I was telling we were there, not just during that time, we were THERE. BTW, you have permission to call me old only when you can keep up with me, you aint there yet Jr.
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what need to be understood here is this,,
back then when someone say they use 300-500mg THEY TALK ABOUT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ! ! ,,
listen im going ot say here something very simple so try to understand this,,
the more testosterona you use the more shitty you look! by shitty i dont mean no thickness ,,what i mean is you hide the detail and line of muscle so sudenly you become bloofy....YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH GH inorder to put all the testosterona into usage,,thats the only way jason and branch can pull their weight on them....both look horrid but they play with enough hormones aside from testosterona inorder to pull the weights they walk on ,,pay attehntion i say WEIGHTS not size! their size is not close to their weight,,they are walking with size equivelanet to 250 lb bodybuild and all the rest of weight is in the midsection widness and in fat from within muscle due to insulina,,,never the less they have enough G H to put in their body all they can eat testosterona buffet like they do....and whatever dont grow they put seo which bring them to muscle size that is ok with their weight eventhough their true muscle diameter is far far farrrrr from 270 lb bodybuilder....it is at the 250lb zone
now,,back then the total dose of testosterona was 300-500mg sometimes little more....mike mentzer...good example for 500-750 mg of testosterona,,BUT! the relaying and where the extra mg came from wassssss OTHER ANABOLICS SUCH AS THE GREAT TRENBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT DIANABOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT PRIMOBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT MASTERONA,,,SUCH AS THE GREAT EQUIPONA AND NANDROLONA...thats were all the mg came from ,,so over all yes it was higih mgs like any bodybuilder does...but! ! ! THE TESTOSTERONA DOSES WERE LOWER BECAUSE THE FELLAS DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH GH AND DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY OF THAT GH TO PULL THE MEGA DOSE TESTOSTERONA ,,this is whyyyy all together now....
frank zane was 185lb and not 220 lb ...because frank zane would go and become probably one of the best mr o to ever step on earth if he had gh in high enough doses....same for many others..arnold would be BETTER than ron colman if he had the same ability to put itnto his blood the doses of gh and insulina ron did,,arnold would be the best period he woudnt have to share it with ron ....
so,,thats how it was,,lower doses on testosterona in general not 200mg but lower than 1 gram or around with most fellas...insted of 1-3 grams or even 4 grams lioke today morons,,also very low gh usage if at all most did not use it but had good natural gh release they were bodybuild in early 20s and late teens..but yes they used some old ussr gh in some cases,,, but that was it ! NO INSULINA,,NO INSULINA ,,NO INSULINA
gh15 approved
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dont be niave
You fucking complete moron! You have no idea who you are talking to. While, by your own admission, you are getting pounded in the ass by various men with big cocks (your admitted preferences), this guy at your age was already competing in bodybuilding at a high level.
And he didn't need to site inject or use SEO in his arms and delts like you do.
You are so ignorant that you are completely clueless to how ignorant you really are.
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what need to be understood here is this,,
back then when someone say they use 300-500mg THEY TALK ABOUT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ! ! ,,
listen im going ot say here something very simple so try to understand this,,
the more testosterona you use the more shitty you look! by shitty i dont mean no thickness ,,what i mean is you hide the detail and line of muscle so sudenly you become bloofy....YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH GH inorder to put all the testosterona into usage,,thats the only way jason and branch can pull their weight on them....both look horrid but they play with enough hormones aside from testosterona inorder to pull the weights they walk on ,,pay attehntion i say WEIGHTS not size! their size is not close to their weight,,they are walking with size equivelanet to 250 lb bodybuild and all the rest of weight is in the midsection widness and in fat from within muscle due to insulina,,,never the less they have enough G H to put in their body all they can eat testosterona buffet like they do....and whatever dont grow they put seo which bring them to muscle size that is ok with their weight eventhough their true muscle diameter is far far farrrrr from 270 lb bodybuilder....it is at the 250lb zone
now,,back then the total dose of testosterona was 300-500mg sometimes little more....mike mentzer...good example for 500-750 mg of testosterona,,BUT! the relaying and where the extra mg came from wassssss OTHER ANABOLICS SUCH AS THE GREAT TRENBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT DIANABOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT PRIMOBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT MASTERONA,,,SUCH AS THE GREAT EQUIPONA AND NANDROLONA...thats were all the mg came from ,,so over all yes it was higih mgs like any bodybuilder does...but! ! ! THE TESTOSTERONA DOSES WERE LOWER BECAUSE THE FELLAS DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH GH AND DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY OF THAT GH TO PULL THE MEGA DOSE TESTOSTERONA ,,this is whyyyy all together now....
frank zane was 185lb and not 220 lb ...because frank zane would go and become probably one of the best mr o to ever step on earth if he had gh in high enough doses....same for many others..arnold would be BETTER than ron colman if he had the same ability to put itnto his blood the doses of gh and insulina ron did,,arnold would be the best period he woudnt have to share it with ron ....
so,,thats how it was,,lower doses on testosterona in general not 200mg but lower than 1 gram or around with most fellas...insted of 1-3 grams or even 4 grams lioke today morons,,also very low gh usage if at all most did not use it but had good natural gh release they were bodybuild in early 20s and late teens..but yes they used some old ussr gh in some cases,,, but that was it ! NO INSULINA,,NO INSULINA ,,NO INSULINA
gh15 approved
But in the bible it says to use testosterona at a 2-1 ratio with other anabolics. For instance, if you are using 600mg equipona who should be using 1,200 mg testosterona.
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..but...but..but... in the "bible" it says...!!! :'( :'( :-[ :-[ :'( :'(
;D
You fucking complete moron! You have no idea who you are talking to. While, by your own admission, you are getting pounded in the ass by various men with big cocks (your admitted preferences), this guy at your age was already competing in bodybuilding at a high level.
And he didn't need to site inject or use SEO in his arms and delts like you do.
You are so ignorant that you are completely clueless to how ignorant you really are.
::)
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But in the bible it says to use testosterona at a 2-1 ratio with other anabolics. For instance, if you are using 600mg equipona who should be using 1,200 mg testosterona.
that's if you want sex drive at optimal levels
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You fucking complete moron! You have no idea who you are talking to. While, by your own admission, you are getting pounded in the ass by various men with big cocks (your admitted preferences), this guy at your age was already competing in bodybuilding at a high level.
And he didn't need to site inject or use SEO in his arms and delts like you do.
You are so ignorant that you are completely clueless to how ignorant you really are.
are you saying that if black dong was shitty pot, tdongz would've died of a drug overdose by now pellius?
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..but...but..but... in the "bible" it says...!!! :'( :'( :-[ :-[ :'( :'(
;D
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Calling Max_Rep naive just once again shows your colossal ignorance and arrogance. Not only was he competing but actually training with some of the biggest legends in this sport. You can mock gh15 but what he says rings true. Where and who do you get your information from?
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that's if you want sex drive at optimal levels
I don't think that's what he meant but I'm sure he'll clarify for his pupils.
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either max rep is wrong or gh15 is. pick one dumbo ;D
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are you saying that if black dong was shitty pot, tdongz would've died of a drug overdose by now pellius?
LOL!
Just to clarify, as I have before, I don't have a problem with gays or bis. What gets me about Tdongz is his need to advertise and brag about every perversion and his total lack of class. Examples are talking about how he'd like face fuck a teenage boy and asking Keith's (onlyme/noworries) daughter to PTPS.
Nowadays the line between public and private behavior is blurred or gone entirely with narcissistic sites like MySpace, YouTube and FaceBook where they feel the need to put out every facet of their lives on public display. Not everyone, or course but his posting of a vid of himself stoned and talking jibberish is a prime example. Why would anybody want to do that? Has it now devolved to the point that getting attention, whether good or bad, has become an end in itself?
His total lack of priority, class, respect and simple decency shows what a complete POS he is. Yes, people were, in general, better in the past.
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I don't have a problem with gays or bis.
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tren masteron eq npp
play around with testosterone esters depending if preping or not
dbol/drol = only when leannnnnn
tbol/var/halo = whenever
increase dose to get bigger
that's the secret to bodybuilding ;)
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Just wondering, I plan to compete within the next few years. Have never touched roids; but am willing to take anything except GH, Insulin and SEO once I'm ready. I dont care how I place, just want to bring back a true classic physique to the modern stage and turn some heads. What kind of drug regimine is ideal to prepare for a contest 3 months out? Tren to cut/get lean, then add what and how much?
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But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.
This "sport" has never been as GAY as it is today.
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1. Its not a sport
2. Ask Tbombz about any drug or training questions, he knows all...past (because he was there) and present because he's trained numerous competitors all the way to the pros. Also his competiive record speaks for it self!
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1. Its not a sport
2. Ask Tbombz about any drug or training questions, he knows all...past (because he was there) and present because he's trained numerous competitors all the way to the pros. Also his competiive record speaks for it self!
Tbombz is one of the best looking African Americans on this board. Stop being so mean Coach.
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LOL, hahahaha!
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Look, I haven't read anything but the first page, but don't you guys see that the problem isn't, at its root, money or going (more) mainstream or whatever...
the problem is that the idea of BODYBUILDING COMPETITION itself is inherently DEGENERATE and, yes, gay!!!
(notice I didn't say gay = degenerate)
I mean, why the fuck do people have to get up on stage to show of their glistening, oil-soaked, thong-clad glute striations anyway? Is this REALLY why anyone is interested in bodybuilding in the first place?
Isn't bodybuilding about -- hasn't it always been about -- building the ideal body? And what is an ideal body for? For sitting atop a pedestal and being gawked at like some sort of artwork?
No!!!
It's for showing your excellence, for attracting bitches, for performing -- whether feats of athleticism, raw strength, or feats of endurance, feats of impressing (ladies, men, whatever)...
putting this body you've worked for up on a pedestal is saying "appreciate me! please! look how incredible i am! imagine what i can do!"
WHO DOES THAT?! Isn't it clear how PATHETIC the whole idea of bodybuilding competition is? It's admitting that your body is nothing more than a showpiece -- nothing more than a painting or perhaps more accurately a sculpture -- that has no value other than inspiring someone's imagination by inviting FALSE fantasies! With that advent of steroids, it was always a mystery whether these bodies were really "all show and no go" -- well what better way to eliminate all mystery and PROVE that you are, indeed, nothing more than an illusion of excellence by stepping up on stage?
The moment a bodybuilder steps on stage he displays his contempt for the world, which is only too eager to participate with him in this fantasy charade of the "beautiful body," which in the end is no more than a hollow chassis with no engine.
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i know their dosages were lower....but how was their semen intake compared to todays BB's?
bench
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bodybuilding is a cult!
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No one can control or dictate what anybody takes or uses. As far as I'm concern a person can take and use anything they want. What matters is the standards used in judging the winner. If a person is drowning in GH and insulin but comes on stage looking like Bob Paris then he should win. Whatever someone is taking or not taking if they have a huge gut, marshmellow looking muscles, and oil filled biceps then they should lose.
Bodybuilders do what they do because they are rewarded for it. I truly doubt that the majority of them like doing what they have to do to win. Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.
X100
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Orals were used a lot more back then so for example 500 mgs of dbol a week would give you a lot better results than say 500 mgs of test. I'm not saying this is exact just trying to give an example. Personally I am getting sick of what I see on stage as of the last 5 years or so. Ronnie in 03 looked great and was about the limit for me as to how big he could get, but now I see guys trying to surpass him and they do not have the genetics to look good with all the slin in them. I would love see what someone would look like using just anabolics. Deca, dbol, Drol, winny tren during contest prep and some test.
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All due respect, I've never known anyone to take 500mg of d-bol back then, I remember the old blue, CIBA 5mg per tablet d-bol.
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Orals were used a lot more back then so for example 500 mgs of dbol a week would give you a lot better results than say 500 mgs of test. I'm not saying this is exact just trying to give an example. Personally I am getting sick of what I see on stage as of the last 5 years or so. Ronnie in 03 looked great and was about the limit for me as to how big he could get, but now I see guys trying to surpass him and they do not have the genetics to look good with all the slin in them. I would love see what someone would look like using just anabolics. Deca, dbol, Drol, winny tren during contest prep and some test.
Jimmy,
With all due respect, I don't think anyone has ever surpassed the package Ronnie brought in 2003, not in quality and certainly not by way of sheer mass.
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Jimmy,
With all due respect, I don't think anyone has ever surpassed the package Ronnie brought in 2003, not in quality and certainly not by way of sheer mass.
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No that's my point and I personally don't think anyone ever will. Ronnie himself tried and failed.
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All due respect, I've never known anyone to take 500mg of d-bol back then, I remember the old blue, CIBA 5mg per tablet d-bol.
I know, kinda a bad example, but if I personally had am limit on mgs placed on me I would pick a strong oral as the weekly mg dose. Remember though that I said 500 weekly not daily. I still have the issue of Muscle Builder and Power that has the article in it where Pete Grymkowski says he took 500 mgs of Dbol a day for 6 weeks at a time. I personally know people who have gone up to 4 Anadrol (the brand) daily. Ciba Dbol went away in 1983, but I know guys who use 150 mgs daily of the stuff that is around now along with other stuff.
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I think the gay issue is a red herring. It's male physique appreciation, men in underwear - in all its guises and eras it has, and will continue to have, a sizeable gay following. The only time this becomes a problem is when a gay dude will assume everyone follows it for sexual reasons and, conversely, when straight guys try to deny the gay element and homoerotic aspect.
Ultimately if you know where you lie on this issue, it's not an issue.
The biggest problem is that the physiques look like shit. Gone is any art, anything remotely admirable or interesting, there is nothing left to appreciate. Gyno is rife. Huge, bloated guts are the norm. Frames that have long since been able to carry all the fake muscles with any elegance and have simply given up. The rampant use of oil. The male-stripper type routines with gyrating and lustful stares.
The thing has become a joke. It's interesting in the way a car crash is interesting but long fucking gone are the kind of physiques (Reeves, Zane, Nubret , Arnold et al) that one - well, me anyway - would actually like to attain.
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Sorry I misunderstood, thought you meant 500 per day. About the anadrol, I took one and a half for about a week and got horrible headaches, that was around 89. Haven't touched anything stronger since.
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Sorry I misunderstood, thought you meant 500 per day. About the anadrol, I took one and a half for about a week and got horrible headaches, that was around 89. Haven't touched anything stronger since.
lmao classic!
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Did I miss something?
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Did I miss something?
Me too?
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No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.
Bullshit - the drug use you and those guys did was abuse also eg huge amounts - you just didnt have the slin or gh to add 50 pounds plus of worthless "mass" destroying the shape of the builds.. "IF" slin and gh were available back then you and those guys would of been on it , its what bodybuilders do to be the best they can be - live for now and forget the future when it could come back to bite you on the ass.
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you will never get thsoe time again unles disaster of major proprtion hit the world,, and it most likley wont in your life time,,the 70s and 80s is long long time memory that if you were lucky to be adult or even kid in those times you are one of the most fortune humans,,the machinary in the form of computers advanced society but also ruined the world ,,today you take cell phone from girl and the girl is going to mental hospital ,,people actualy runing their BANK ACCOUNTS FROM THEIR CELL PHONE WITH ALL CODES AND EVERYTHIN,,people rely on computer to a point that if something happen they will shoot themselves or stay lost and die,, it is already in the blood like hiv,,it now develped into aids...it eats society ,,and thus bodybuild is nothing different,,who do you think do bodybuild? thsoe same felas who their girlfriend going around with cell phone 24 7 and live her life by it texting every 36 second ,,sorry every 11 seconds ,,cant even sit and eat in restaurant with out the whore texting... same for people not wanting to even deal or call pon the phoen to anyone or forget about going and meeting face to face,,no one does it,,they all do everything from cell or from their lap ....
no one even beat up anyone anymore,,they all own eachother on computers,,back in the 80s you would tak ethe fuckin kid outside and beat him up or fight him ....today if you do it ,,the kid pull a gun or a knife so you cant even go into good ole fight because there wil always be a gun and someone really die....
so what we stay with is SHIT SOCIETY and only major disaster can change it and move back time,,anyother way we go forword...but in reality every forword in the so called modern technological era = step into no where ,,into lonliness and into insanity,,it wil all fal apart you can see it with the american goverment,,it all falls apart,,slowly and safely ,,god forbid if americana ever fall apart this world is over then
gh15 approved
fuck this guy is spot on 100% of the time about everything, gh15 is the word check this shit out, as soon as i read this this article popped up on ninemsn http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8231897/friends-teachers-save-student-from-knife-attack.
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But in the bible it says to use testosterona at a 2-1 ratio with other anabolics. For instance, if you are using 600mg equipona who should be using 1,200 mg testosterona.
correct,,that is to keep stamina at all time high and to gain thickness to the level wanted while remaining low doubles ,, the reason is mainly for the stamina and thickness aka growing off season ,,when come prep time ,,when ou actualy want to be 6-7% 2 gram testosterona wont put you there,,what testosterona makes you is THICKER,,but thicker also take away from the lines...the definition ...because thicker is almost always lots of water that is confused with fat by individuals who have no clue....but thats thje only way to put on the lbs needed in the way to mutation ,,ofcourse you need the gh to be there to compansate for the doses of the testosterona used so you still rmain quality and grow larger/thicker and leaner rather than grow larger/thicker and bloofier
gh15 approved
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I think the gay issue is a red herring. It's male physique appreciation, men in underwear - in all its guises and eras it has, and will continue to have, a sizeable gay following. The only time this becomes a problem is when a gay dude will assume everyone follows it for sexual reasons and, conversely, when straight guys try to deny the gay element and homoerotic aspect.
Ultimately if you know where you lie on this issue, it's not an issue.
The biggest problem is that the physiques look like shit. Gone is any art, anything remotely admirable or interesting, there is nothing left to appreciate. Gyno is rife. Huge, bloated guts are the norm. Frames that have long since been able to carry all the fake muscles with any elegance and have simply given up. The rampant use of oil. The male-stripper type routines with gyrating and lustful stares.
The thing has become a joke. It's interesting in the way a car crash is interesting but long fucking gone are the kind of physiques (Reeves, Zane, Nubret , Arnold et al) that one - well, me anyway - would actually like to attain.
Why do you think this is?
In my opinion, a bodybuilding -- ie the quest for the ideal body -- competition is always doomed to turn out this way. Competing on looks alone is a degenerate activity because it separates, or attempts to separate, form and function. People pretend as if the two aren't related, and then go about trying to maximize one whatever the cost to the other. (By the way you see this happen in reverse all the time: executives who value their career so highly they sacrifice all "form" and become detestable slimeballs).
Bodybuilding has its origin in the same place everything else does -- the impulse to excellence, power, and strength. For most of human history, big muscles signified strength. This culminated in the 60s/70s with the "golden era" of bodybuilding, a time when men like Arnold walked around looking like gods and few knew any better. Today, these physiques are more likely to arouse suspicion of drug use than garner admiration.
The illusion is gone, but bodybuilding competitions still linger on. This is all somewhat beside my point though. It's clear a competition focused on looks values big muscles because they signify strength. But the reality is that these bodybuilders are not strong. And they can't be if they dedicate their lives to a competition of looks. This is because strength goes beyond looks. Who do we really admire? The man who is strong! Look at the movie 300, for example. This movie depicts warriors who had great physiques and honest physiques which accurately reflected their abilities. These men didn't care about how they looked, they cared about being badass warriors and their physiques merely followed suit in their pursuit of this excellent ideal.
A man who dedicates his life to looking good will never be as admirable as a man who dedicates his life to being good.
Even within the bodybuilding world, you can observe the same thing. We admire ronnie coleman because he has a more honest physique than, for example, phil heath. He looks like he can move a shitload of weight, and he can! It's true phil doesn't look quite as good, but he doesn't really look all that much worse. Nonetheless, people shit on him all day because of his "fake muscle" and refuse to give him even 1/100th the respect they give to ronnie. The point is that, even here in the land of drug megadosing, we still value a physique inasmuch as it signifies real strength of some sort.
Bodybuilding competitions place the value on the signifier (big muscles) rather than the signified (strength). Sooner or later people are always going to catch on and realize the whole thing is a sham. The only people who will still be left standing are the gays who can still be fooled on some sort of instinctual level (just like men are still fooled on an instinctual level by big fake tits and asses).
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tren masteron eq npp
play around with testosterone esters depending if preping or not
dbol/drol = only when leannnnnn
tbol/var/halo = whenever
increase dose to get bigger
that's the secret to bodybuilding ;)
thats the secret to local bodybuilding,,the secret to pro bodybuildin as of today is GH and INSULINA ,,both high doses,,you just dont walk around 250lb 6% any other way!
200lb 7% yes possible on aas and little gh ,,but 250lb ...youll never see this number unless insulina on regular basis and gh like candies in wailly wonka factory ,,and to the ones who afraid of water retention coming from gh so their precious lines dont go away for 3 days....you need to understand that gh reduces body fat ,,under that little water there is chizeled to the bone muscle and the little water will go away 2-3 weeks when you off the gh ,,so never let this bother you when you like your 7% and dont wanna lose the lines because youll never see the 5-6 % with out the continous usage of the gh ,,remember no gh in the blood will cause your lean muscle to drop little while losing bodyfat,,with gh it doesnt happen
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I miss the old days !! :(
I remember entering my first power meet back in 1974 in Boston,and waiting until midnight for the physique contest to start.................ba sketball gym,one light slung over the basketball hoop,(it created great shadows),black backdrop,posing dias with three levels for 1st. through 3rd. place,Len Archambault winning the show and his training partner a then unknown Manny Perry taking 2nd.place.
I was also saw Arnie,Franco,Katz,Lou,Dickerson,Boyer Coe..............these guys today IMO,pale by comparison.
Guys looked like live sculpture back then not elephants in thongs!!
Len Archambault:
(http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/454021d7000571c8)
Manuel Perry (far right):
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_W1HsDawS3TY/TGSkrx9M0lI/AAAAAAAAMwU/zuORZV7Ca8k/s1600/Andreas+Cahling,+Ron+Teufel,+Manuel+Perry,+1977+Mr.+America.jpg)
Man, two of those three guys (Teufel and Perry) are dead. Both had excellent physiques.
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...frank zane was 185lb and not 220 lb ...because frank zane would go and become probably one of the best mr o to ever step on earth if he had gh in high enough doses....same for many others..arnold would be BETTER than ron colman if he had the same ability to put itnto his blood the doses of gh and insulina ron did,,arnold would be the best period he woudnt have to share it with ron ....
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Just a quick note on the above pull quote.
Arnold was better than Ron Coleslaw. Waistline versus WASTEline. Nearly perfect proportions versus a BIG FAT ASS and oversized legs and hamstrings. A man, built like a man should be versus an ignorant, foolish, mental midget of a man-child "built" like a lowland gorilla. Fuck the noise that is today's bodybuilding. I believe the blame lies in the film "Pumping Iron".
It showed the vast difference between Arnold, Franco, Katz, Waller, et al and "regular" competitors. Steroid use versus natural. When men and boys first caught sight of Arnold they wanted to be Arnold. Bad. Real bad in fact. To date there's only been one Arnold. Coleslaw, Cutler, Yates, Haney, none of them can match the Oak and not just in terms of physique but also in ways unmeasurable. For example, charisma, style and a sense of classic oneupmanship coupled with pure showmanship that are without equal in what passes for bodybuilding today.
All these ass clowns of today have is size. A turd of any size is still a pile of shit and Coleman, Cutler and those like them are barely ambulatory shit piles. Gays are the flies that flock to that shit.
Zane was fantastic.
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Just a quick note on the above pull quote.
Arnold was better than Ron Coleslaw. Waistline versus WASTEline. Nearly perfect proportions versus a BIG FAT ASS and oversized legs and hamstrings. A man, built like a man should be versus an ignorant, foolish, mental midget of a man-child "built" like a lowland gorilla. Fuck the noise that is today's bodybuilding. I believe the blame lies in the film "Pumping Iron".
It showed the vast difference between Arnold, Franco, Katz, Waller, et al and "regular" competitors. Steroid use versus natural. When men and boys first caught sight of Arnold they wanted to be Arnold. Bad. Real bad in fact. To date there's only been one Arnold. Coleslaw, Cutler, Yates, Haney, none of them can match the Oak and not just in terms of physique but also in ways unmeasurable. For example, charisma, style and a sense of classic oneupmanship coupled with pure showmanship that are without equal in what passes for bodybuilding today.
All these ass clowns of today have is size. A turd of any size is still a pile of shit and Coleman, Cutler and those like them are barely ambulatory shit piles. Gays are the flies that flock to that shit.
Zane was fantastic.
totally agree.
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totally agree.
Agree to the agree.
Presence, charisma .....
Circa 1997 to quote arnold in nothing less than Flex:
"[…] this yates guy... trains in hia dungeon all year... no showmanship no presence... who the fuck he thinks he is..."
FROM THE KING OF BODYBUILDONGS HIMSELF.
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I blame Milos. Just to let you know he knows it because I told him.
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I know, kinda a bad example, but if I personally had am limit on mgs placed on me I would pick a strong oral as the weekly mg dose. Remember though that I said 500 weekly not daily. I still have the issue of Muscle Builder and Power that has the article in it where Pete Grymkowski says he took 500 mgs of Dbol a day for 6 weeks at a time. I personally know people who have gone up to 4 Anadrol (the brand) daily. Ciba Dbol went away in 1983, but I know guys who use 150 mgs daily of the stuff that is around now along with other stuff.
I knew Pete very well and can tell you that many, many, times I sat across his kitchen table with he and his wife. He always said he HATED Dbol and said he never took it. He did use as much as Anavar as you suggest. And high doses of Prima Acetate injectable from Germany. He also like an Italian drug called Vistar (not sure of the spelling). Pete was probably the original high dose user.
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I knew Pete very well and can tell you that many, many, times I sat across his kitchen table with he and his wife. He always said he HATED Dbol and said he never took it. He did use as much as Anavar as you suggest. And high doses of Prima Acetate injectable from Germany. He also like an Italian drug called Vistar (not sure of the spelling). Pete was probably the original high dose user.
well you'll get no argument from me but if he never used it then how come he hated it so much? ;)
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
I agree with you. the golden era was the best ever.
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Bunch of know it alls in this thread who were born after 1990!! ;D LOL
My first cycle was 15 mgs. of CIBA D-Bol,3 pills a day......I looked good and got stronger than shit!
That stuff was equivalent to taking about 20 or more Thai pinks a day.............it was pretty potent!
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anadrol 50 syntex tabs were sick,big strenght ,bloat,sides ,but u would lose it all after stopping,androxen's were 40 mgs they were toxic as well tremors if u took to many.
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One thing i always wondered, is how cum the iron age guys from the 70's never had any sides (brutal acne, gyno..etc)?
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i still wonder why your mom left me that one particular evening.
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One thing i always wondered, is how cum the iron age guys from the 70's never had any sides (brutal acne, gyno..etc)?
im tired of explaining this to you friends,,
THE REASON BODYBUILD DONT HAVE SIDE EFFECTS SHOWN IS BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER GO OFF HORMONES!!!! WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING ALL THE TIME AND IT IS PART OF YOUR BLOOD LIKE OXYGEN...YOUR BODY ADOPTS IT GET USED TO IT AND AFTER A WHILE STOP GIVING YOU ANY SIDES BECAUSE IT IS PART OF YOU AND BODY IS BUILT ON IT ,,
YOU TAKE IT OUT AND YOU HAVE FELLAS LIKE COACH WALKING 160LB 10% ,,YOU KEEP IT IN AND YOU GOT FELLAS LIKE COACH WALKING 200LB 10%... YOU JUST DONT GO ON AND OFF YOU ARE ALWQAYS ALWAYS ON! DOESNT MEAN SAME PRODUCTS BUT IN GENERAL WE DO NOT GO OFF I KEEP TELLIN YOU WE GO HIGH AND MEDIUM HIGH AND MEDIUM ,,OUR HRT IS YOUR GYM RAT CYCLE ...
the very very sensetive ones who do get all kind of acne right and left which because they actualay cycles and go off for few weeks lol they use acne medications ,,the use blood pressure meds,, they use meds to prevent sides,,but most of us never go off and body adapt to it and the only side effect is WE STAY LEAN AND THICK,,
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well you'll get no argument from me but if he never used it then how come he hated it so much? ;)
Good point. You are correct though at some point he would have had to use it to determine if he liked it or not. Pete was the original "guru" and had probably 50 regular clients (equals lab rats and customers) so he was able to observe what worked or didn't for them and then use it or not on himself. He would take an entire bottle of Anavar at a sitting but I think he did a lot of things for shock value of those observing.
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Sorry I misunderstood, thought you meant 500 per day. About the anadrol, I took one and a half for about a week and got horrible headaches, that was around 89. Haven't touched anything stronger since.
Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.
Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.
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Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.
Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.
You just named as far far as I'm concerned the best bodybuilding drugs out there, maybe throw in some drol but like you say that is a personal preference thing. More quality muscle was built with these drugs than anything ever used.
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Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.
Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.
Where did the "use test in every cycle" come from?
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Good point. You are correct though at some point he would have had to use it to determine if he liked it or not. Pete was the original "guru" and had probably 50 regular clients (equals lab rats and customers) so he was able to observe what worked or didn't for them and then use it or not on himself. He would take an entire bottle of Anavar at a sitting but I think he did a lot of things for shock value of those observing.
Pretty sure Vic Richards liked high dose Anavar, up in the range of 150 to 200 mgs daily.
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Orals were used a lot more back then so for example 500 mgs of dbol a week would give you a lot better results than say 500 mgs of test. I'm not saying this is exact just trying to give an example. Personally I am getting sick of what I see on stage as of the last 5 years or so. Ronnie in 03 looked great and was about the limit for me as to how big he could get, but now I see guys trying to surpass him and they do not have the genetics to look good with all the slin in them. I would love see what someone would look like using just anabolics. Deca, dbol, Drol, winny tren during contest prep and some test.
from Dr. Kerr's book
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Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.
Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.
all the older lads will attest to this being the best drug on the planet, the original parabolin
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all the older lads will attest to this being the best drug on the planet, the original parabolin
I heard that a couple of times... but how different is it from tren made from fina pellets?
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You just named as far far as I'm concerned the best bodybuilding drugs out there, maybe throw in some drol but like you say that is a personal preference thing. More quality muscle was built with these drugs than anything ever used.
Have you ran tren and eq alone?
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I heard that a couple of times... but how different is it from tren made from fina pellets?
I used real Para before. I used one amp bout every 5 days. I know that may not sound like much, but I got strong as hell. I was using 1/2 of drol with it too and nothing else. I remember using 120 DB for seated presses for 10 reps.
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Have you ran tren and eq alone?
No, but I ran EQ and anavar alone before. Don't remember exact doses but I think the var was around 35 mgs daily and the EQ at 400 weekly. I put on 9 solid pounds in about 5 weeks. I never used tren, well I have but never at high enough doses and long enough to give an opinion about it as it scared me too much back then. Oh forgot to say I went from 240 to 249 on that cycle. Back then I had a tiny waist. ;D
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I used real Para before. I used one amp bout every 5 days. I know that may not sound like much, but I got strong as hell. I was using 1/2 of drol with it too and nothing else. I remember using 120 DB for seated presses for 10 reps.
Holy shit... I heard similar stories just a couple of weeks ago for a another old time ;D.. Apparently Parabolan is almost a religion...
What was so different about it? Same ester, similar dosage...
Honestly I agree with you that tren is for cows but still there's something about it..
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Holy shit... I heard similar stories just a couple of weeks ago for a another old time ;D.. Apparently Parabolan is almost a religion...
What was so different about it? Same ester, similar dosage...
Honestly I agree with you that tren is for cows but still there's something about it..
Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
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Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
LOL prolly both acetates.. why use raw powders when you can get pellets from any vet store..
that brownish... the pellet are certainly not all pure tren.. the "binding agent" must react with the solvents, benzyl alcohol or benzyl benzoate..oxydize a little.. then millipore filter all you want... the "glue" is semi-dissolved and ends up in the solution...
Often ppl say tren is hard on the kidneys.. well so is benzyl alcohol. at 10%+ to dissolve those "pellets" it surely has a duress effect...
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Where did the "use test in every cycle" come from?
It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.
You just named as far as I'm concerned the best bodybuilding drugs out there, maybe throw in some drol but like you say that is a personal preference thing. More quality muscle was built with these drugs than anything ever used.
Very true Disgusted. I didn’t learn that from a book (some from Dr. Kerr’s book when I was a patient). I learned from training with the best.
I was only able to get Finijet once. It was about 1983. It was a 50 ml brown bottle with I think French on the label. I mixed it with Anavar… holy giver of muscle! I hadn’t done a cycle in 9 months because I wanted to trim down for some photo’s. I about doubled my strength on everything in 6 weeks and gained about 20 pounds at 5’7”.
My favorite cycle was Methandriol and dbol. Worked really well for me. Good size gains, no acne, good hardness…. lot’s a libido.
Of course, this is all fictional, right? No one is admitting to any illegal activity or giving out a recipe.
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i spoke to Pete 4 years ago, and the doses he told me he took would absolutely blow your mind. super nice guy.
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i spoke to Pete 4 years ago, and the doses he told me he took would absolutely blow your mind. super nice guy.
I bet. Widest shoulders ever. Good dude.
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Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
no,,
very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,
trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,
pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,
what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!
the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation into a competetive lookin bodybuild
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no,,
very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,
trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,
pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,
what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!
the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation into a competetive lookin bodybuild
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When talking about tren I always read, even guys like Bench and Disgusted insist, that you should only use tren for 6 up to 8 weeks max because it's hard on your kidneys. You seem to recommend that, if serious, to stay on virtually all the time, at least 3 months (as you just mentioned) and that you are safe as long as you don't go crazy with dose like 200mg/day along with alcohol and rec drugs.
How toxic is tren and why would it be harder on your kidneys than any other injectables? Though I didn't think injectables were particularly toxic to your kidneys.
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Damn massive for his day.
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no,,
very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,
trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,
pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,
what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!
the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation into a competetive lookin bodybuild
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Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml) was also clear. I NEVER once saw yellow tren of any kind until the pellets came on the scene and I've personally seen both. There was a ton of this stuff floating around back in the early 80's. Also, I am still of the opinion that tren should not ever be used by a non competitor. I personally know two guys who have had kidney problems from using tren. One guy was just shy of losing his kidneys and the other not so bad but still bad enuff. They both are of the opinion that tren use as in too much and not enuff breaks messed with their kidneys.
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It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.
Very true Disgusted. I didn’t learn that from a book (some from Dr. Kerr’s book when I was a patient). I learned from training with the best.
I was only able to get Finijet once. It was about 1983. It was a 50 ml brown bottle with I think French on the label. I mixed it with Anavar… holy giver of muscle! I hadn’t done a cycle in 9 months because I wanted to trim down for some photo’s. I about doubled my strength on everything in 6 weeks and gained about 20 pounds at 5’7”.
My favorite cycle was Methandriol and dbol. Worked really well for me. Good size gains, no acne, good hardness…. lot’s a libido.
Of course, this is all fictional, right? No one is admitting to any illegal activity or giving out a recipe.
No, but the fictional character Disgusted wishes he could go back in time do a few more of those type cycles. ;D
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Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml) was also clear. I NEVER once saw yellow tren of any kind until the pellets came on the scene and I've personally seen both. There was a ton of this stuff floating around back in the early 80's. Also, I am still of the opinion that tren should not ever be used by a non competitor. I personally know two guys who have had kidney problems from using tren. One guy was just shy of losing his kidneys and the other not so bad but still bad enuff. They both are of the opinion that tren use as in too much and not enuff breaks messed with their kidneys.
Could it be that they now make it in higher dosages and the higher concentration gives it the color?
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One thing i always wondered, is how cum the iron age guys from the 70's never had any sides (brutal acne, gyno..etc)?
Colombo had gyno when he won the O.
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Could it be that they now make it in higher dosages and the higher concentration gives it the color?
I don't see how, I've seen the acetate at 50 mgs and still pretty dark.
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It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.
Dr. Michael Walzak (sp?), who was a good friend of the owner of the gym I trained at, Jim Barlow (I would find out later they were REALLY good friends), gave a talked at our gym. It wasn't really a seminar because it wasn't advertised but just sort of word of mouth that he may be stopping by. He talked about how he believed steroids should be used and pretty much all he prescribed, at the least to the general public (this is in the early 1980s when it wasn't controlled) was Organon Deca and Ciba Dianabol. I asked him about testosterone and that I wanted to try it. It's kind of funny and embarrassing when I looked back but I was trying to grow a mustache because I wanted to look older. I was about 20 yo at the time but people use to think I was still in high school. This became an issue when I wanted to date a girl who was my age. When I started fishing around for the opportunity to pop the question she asked me what high school I was going to. That ended it for me. Anyway, all I could manage on my own was sparse tuffs of post pubertal chin hair and this pathetic pencil stache that made me look like a Mexican. I wanted the full monty Tom Selleck look.
Walzak said that he didn't believe in using testosterone unless you are deficit and only as replacement. He said that the whole point for developing anabolic steroids in the first place was to refine and improve on testosterone. To enhance and promote the anabolic/muscles building properties and minimize the androgenic secondary sexual characteristics. He said straight out that it was less effective than anabolic steroids with more side effects. Of course, I didn't ask him about it's effectiveness on growing manly facial hair. Still, to this day I can't grow a decent mustache. I only shave 2 or 3 times a week but mostly because what whiskers I do have is not evenly distributed. I can't even get that old time Clint Eastwood kick butt five o'clock shadow look.
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I agree with GH15 - quality tren should look yellow to gold , it means quality raw powders have been used - you cant compare it to Para as its no longer availible so forget it.
So where did the whole you must use TEST with certain drugs to stop erectile and libido issues come from when the guys from the 70s - early 80s loved nandralone and other anabolics so much ? it seems the androgen type drug of choice was dball , but reading what some of the older guys are saying they felt great on deca and didnt have problems with it.
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When talking about tren I always read, even guys like Bench and Disgusted insist, that you should only use tren for 6 up to 8 weeks max because it's hard on your kidneys. You seem to recommend that, if serious, to stay on virtually all the time, at least 3 months (as you just mentioned) and that you are safe as long as you don't go crazy with dose like 200mg/day along with alcohol and rec drugs.
How toxic is tren and why would it be harder on your kidneys than any other injectables? Though I didn't think injectables were particularly toxic to your kidneys.
no bodybuildr use product for couple weeks,,we live from product to product and on them for many weeks/months,,if you use trenbolona for 4 week you dont have a chance to get into the level im talking about,, the reason all the gurus around recomend it for that period of time is because legit trenbolona will fuck your head,,you will be extremly mentaly fucked on it tht tha main reason behind the recomendation ,,the toxicity is balonie like with any steroid,,its the rec drugs who causes the death and problems you hear about,,itsa the alcohol that go along with their zoloft and their xanax and percosets that cause the bad things you hear about...or advil... ::)
we use trenbolona for 3-6 months with no problem same as we use dianabol 2 months with no problem or at high doses of 150mg a day with no problem and this is oral! ,,trenbolona is not toxic and if you drink enough you will have your pee completely white or light yellow,,if drink little less it will be bright yellow,,but brown?? hell no it wont be brown ,,if your pee is brown its because of the packs of malborow cigaretes you smoke along with your narcotic drugs and the 20 pack beers you finished last week in the frat party right before you fucked gina
bodybuild is partying does not go together ,,it never did and never will,,
the result with trenbolona on a fella who is 12% will only come after 3 months into the level you like to be proud of as in 7% and lean and thick and large...
all the fella who talk about 3 -4 weeks here there are already after years over years of hormones and walk around 8-9% on regular basis and just use trenblona to harden up and drop some water which they call fat which in reality is nothing but their bloat from androgenic testosterona because they always walk around 8% they tell to your face they are 10-12 but no they are 8 % but even they use it on a regular basis and much longe than 4 weeks if want to get to a new level of development
doses change,,100mg every day is a dose that make big changes especially in how lean one is and how dense and hard and still have all good thickness ,,100-120mg every day for 3 months create big big changes on one physiqe
over 120 mg is usually used by the top amatuers and profesionals ,,but if you dont use it you wont get to be top amatuer or professional...
the more trenbolona you use the leaner you wil become,,the more muscular you will become and the more sculpted you will become,,add gh and you have top amatuer in NO TIME,,
the illusion trenbolona can give on physiqe is usually 15-30 lb meaning you are 195 and you look 215
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BTW, when asked about how long one should be "on" Walzak replied that "as long as you want to keep growing." He didn't believe in cycling. And this was in the early 1980s. He put it this way: if you are at a certain bodyweight and you want to gain weight you have to increase caloric intake. You don't do this for a certain period of time and then go back to your previous caloric intake because then you will just slowly lose the weight you gained and get back to your previous weight. Once you reach your natural limit in bodybuilding, which he estimated at around 3-5 years of serious and consistent training depending on when you started, growth will stop. When you add anabolics you will once again begin growing. You are only able to grow (muscle wise of course) only because now you have increase your ability through the use of anabolics. Once you take them out, you will slowly revert back to your origin state. And just like you will plateau in weight gain after a specific increase in calorics you will have to further increase those calories to put on even more weight. So eventually you will plateau at a certain dose of anabolics you will have to increase the dose to progress even further. Cycling he felt was counter productive and maybe more harmful constantly going up and down like that. That's why he insisted that his patients have a good training foundation before he would treat them and that if they want to do this and are serious about it, it's for the long haul.
He didn't seem to preoccupied with training specifics other than to not over train and to go hard and heavy and maintain decent form. Don't throw the weights around. Other than that, types of exercises or routines, rep schemes or methodologies didn't seem to matter that much to him. Just lift weights like you mean it and eat a lot (something he also stressed when starting anabolics).
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Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml) was also clear. I NEVER once saw yellow tren of any kind until the pellets came on the scene and I've personally seen both. There was a ton of this stuff floating around back in the early 80's. Also, I am still of the opinion that tren should not ever be used by a non competitor. I personally know two guys who have had kidney problems from using tren. One guy was just shy of losing his kidneys and the other not so bad but still bad enuff. They both are of the opinion that tren use as in too much and not enuff breaks messed with their kidneys.
trenbolona ace color is always yellow to golden yellow ,,any other color and you either get fake bunk or combo of both ,,somtimes only oil,,sometimes completey diff product,,trust me on that,,very few cooks aroudn now days cook legit trenbolona and when you hit the jackpot with legit trenbolona from high wuality raw ...you start understanding what bodybuild is all about ...along with gh ofcourse
never the less,,the fellas you talk about when they talk aboutr being messed kidnys yada dee yada daa you talk here about severe abusers,,guys who used for years with out coming off,,and fellas who used DIRTY PRODUCTS as in they were like crack addicts they would put anything and everything into their body from the worse possible raw WHICH IS THE COW PELLETS! ,,i do not approve cow pellets i said it million times,, but those fellas also used high doses for very long time ,,im not talkin here 120 mg foro 4 months im talking her 200 mg every day for 6+ months with other drugs such as narcotics and booz! i do consider booz as drug ,,,thats how they get the liver problems,,because they have to function in life,,and if you dont have life free of stress you need to perform and if you need to perform you wil take your tynalololol and your advilololol and use them and you will take your little pain killer the doc prescribed you few years back and you kept in the cabinet,,and you wil drink with the girl her blue moon beers...and then you also going to go to clubs and wear tight shirt that is made perposly one size too small so everyone can see you aore bodybuilder and you will party some and come home at 5 am after few sniffs of cocaine....
now those! fellas have problems,,those fellas sit with liver cancers after abuse of anything,,they live for abuse,,but it did not come from the 100mg trenbolona a day for 4 months i can garentee you this!
the head is something diff ,,trenbolona can break up your relashionship if you dont know how to control yourself and if you have mental issues from before ,,so yes the head thing is real then again you are first and formost bodybuilder and bodybuilder shoudl be smart enough to not only build his body but also make sure he doesnt get into trouble when on trenbolona ,,
there is no replace to trenbolona ,,no drug will ever be as good aside from gh which got to go in a combo with trenbolona for the final mutation process
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No, but the fictional character Disgusted wishes he could go back in time do a few more of those type cycles. ;D
Well the fictional character known as Max_Rep would be right there with you on that note. However Max_Rep went back and looked at some old pictures and realized that while he was bigger and much stronger on those fictional cycles, he LOOKED much better at the end of his 9-month break. He had finally achieved what he had set out to do many years earlier as a teen and didn’t even realize it when he got there. The idiot.
Flame away Everlast shorts and all. Don't you just love the eighties clothing styles?
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no bodybuildr use product for couple weeks,,we live from product to product and on them for many weeks/months,,if you use trenbolona for 4 week you dont have a chance to get into the level im talking about,, the reason all the gurus around recomend it for that period of time is because legit trenbolona will fuck your head,,you will be extremly mentaly fucked on it tht tha main reason behind the recomendation ,,the toxicity is balonie like with any steroid,,its the rec drugs who causes the death and problems you hear about,,itsa the alcohol that go along with their zoloft and their xanax and percosets that cause the bad things you hear about...or advil... ::)
we use trenbolona for 3-6 months with no problem same as we use dianabol 2 months with no problem or at high doses of 150mg a day with no problem and this is oral! ,,trenbolona is not toxic and if you drink enough you will have your pee completely white or light yellow,,if drink little less it will be bright yellow,,but brown?? hell no it wont be brown ,,if your pee is brown its because of the packs of malborow cigaretes you smoke along with your narcotic drugs and the 20 pack beers you finished last week in the frat party right before you fucked gina
bodybuild is partying does not go together ,,it never did and never will,,
the result with trenbolona on a fella who is 12% will only come after 3 months into the level you like to be proud of as in 7% and lean and thick and large...
all the fella who talk about 3 -4 weeks here there are already after years over years of hormones and walk around 8-9% on regular basis and just use trenblona to harden up and drop some water which they call fat which in reality is nothing but their bloat from androgenic testosterona because they always walk around 8% they tell to your face they are 10-12 but no they are 8 % but even they use it on a regular basis and much longe than 4 weeks if want to get to a new level of development
doses change,,100mg every day is a dose that make big changes especially in how lean one is and how dense and hard and still have all good thickness ,,100-120mg every day for 3 months create big big changes on one physiqe
over 120 mg is usually used by the top amatuers and profesionals ,,but if you dont use it you wont get to be top amatuer or professional...
the more trenbolona you use the leaner you wil become,,the more muscular you will become and the more sculpted you will become,,add gh and you have top amatuer in NO TIME,,
the illusion trenbolona can give on physiqe is usually 15-30 lb meaning you are 195 and you look 215
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How come tren unlike any other compound screws with your cardio? nothing beats it for dramaitc changes in body composition but I start breathng hard like grandpa when just walking up a flgiht of stairs.
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Well the fictional character known as Max_Rep would be right there with you on that note. However Max_Rep went back and looked at some old pictures and realized that while he was bigger and much stronger on those fictional cycles, he LOOKED much better at the end of his 9-month break. He had finally achieved what he had set out to do many years earlier as a teen and didn’t even realize it when he got there. The idiot.
Flame away Everlast shorts and all. Don't you just love the eighties clothing styles?
nice physique bro ( no homo )
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Well the fictional character known as Max_Rep would be right there with you on that note. However Max_Rep went back and looked at some old pictures and realized that while he was bigger and much stronger on those fictional cycles, he LOOKED much better at the end of his 9-month break. He had finally achieved what he had set out to do many years earlier as a teen and didn’t even realize it when he got there. The idiot.
Flame away Everlast shorts and all. Don't you just love the eighties clothing styles?
Now that's a 'stache.
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BTW, when asked about how long one should be "on" Walzak replied that "as long as you want to keep growing." He didn't believe in cycling. And this was in the early 1980s. He put it this way: if you are at a certain bodyweight and you want to gain weight you have to increase caloric intake. You don't do this for a certain period of time and then go back to your previous caloric intake because then you will just slowly lose the weight you gained and get back to your previous weight. Once you reach your natural limit in bodybuilding, which he estimated at around 3-5 years of serious and consistent training depending on when you started, growth will stop. When you add anabolics you will once again begin growing. You are only able to grow (muscle wise of course) only because now you have increase your ability through the use of anabolics. Once you take them out, you will slowly revert back to your origin state. And just like you will plateau in weight gain after a specific increase in calorics you will have to further increase those calories to put on even more weight. So eventually you will plateau at a certain dose of anabolics you will have to increase the dose to progress even further. Cycling he felt was counter productive and maybe more harmful constantly going up and down like that. That's why he insisted that his patients have a good training foundation before he would treat them and that if they want to do this and are serious about it, it's for the long haul.
He didn't seem to preoccupied with training specifics other than to not over train and to go hard and heavy and maintain decent form. Don't throw the weights around. Other than that, types of exercises or routines, rep schemes or methodologies didn't seem to matter that much to him. Just lift weights like you mean it and eat a lot (something he also stressed when starting anabolics).
that's spot on.
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i didnt read the whole conversation abotu tren color. but quality tren can be either yellow (whatever color the base oil is), or it can be a darker amber or brown. the tren that is dark gets that way because of heat oxidation-discolors it. when quality tren is golden it hasnt been heated. (done by a pro)
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i didnt read the whole conversation abotu tren color. but quality tren can be either yellow (whatever color the base oil is), or it can be a darker amber or brown. the tren that is dark gets that way because of heat oxidation-discolors it. when quality tren is golden it hasnt been heated. (done by a pro)
You know this from experience or google?
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It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.
Very true Disgusted. I didn’t learn that from a book (some from Dr. Kerr’s book when I was a patient). I learned from training with the best.
I was only able to get Finijet once. It was about 1983. It was a 50 ml brown bottle with I think French on the label. I mixed it with Anavar… holy giver of muscle! I hadn’t done a cycle in 9 months because I wanted to trim down for some photo’s. I about doubled my strength on everything in 6 weeks and gained about 20 pounds at 5’7”.
My favorite cycle was Methandriol and dbol. Worked really well for me. Good size gains, no acne, good hardness…. lot’s a libido.
Of course, this is all fictional, right? No one is admitting to any illegal activity or giving out a recipe.
Are you sure it was HG? Because human grade gear never comes in "50 ml brown bottle". lol. Sounds more like a shitty UGL. :D ;D
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How come tren unlike any other compound screws with your cardio? nothing beats it for dramaitc changes in body composition but I start breathng hard like grandpa when just walking up a flgiht of stairs.
its just how it is with trenbolona,,2 sides that very common are the dry caugh like you have some caoughing deasease lol you just feel dry from within ..not saliva wize because that you have plenty you dont have dry mouth ,,but you feel dry physiqe wize from within ....so you got the caugh which is a regular thing with trenbolona short dry caugh not always ofcourse but sometimes...and you also got the caugh where you injected into or touched a blood vessle and it got to lunges fast and then you caugh your mama and papa and have metalic taste in mouth and tongue and you just caugh for next 5 min and spit saliva like the typical tobaco americano and then 5 min later like nothign happened all jacked cut and lean to the gym you go
the cardio is not needed with trenbolona ,,i dont knwo why someone will do cardio unles really 2-4weeks from competition and even then you are on other stimulants that help
you do understand that all the csrdio we do is besically walk lol ,,we walk on thread mil ,,go walk yoiur dog and help you girl move apartment and you get that cardio ,,go fuck her you get even more cardio
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we use dianabol 2 months with no problem or at high doses of 150mg a day with no problem and this is oral!
I thought any oral over 30-45 days was useless ???
What's the maximum amount of time you recommend for all orals
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If you want bodybuilding contests to go back to 'the old days' somewhat, ask the judges to start deducting points for bloated edit: Insulin waists.
Why don't most pro bodybuilders show obvious synthol use? Because judges will dock them for it.
It's all about seeking the judges approval, they hold the power to shape what pro bodybuilders will strive for.
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I thought any oral over 30-45 days was useless ???
What's the maximum amount of time you recommend for all orals
Ive used Anadrol for 8 weeks, was great ;) also used Dbol and Winstrols tabs together for 8 weeks some years ago, also worked great ;)
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If you want bodybuilding contests to go back to 'the old days' somewhat, ask the judges to start deducting points for bloated GH waists.
Why don't most pro bodybuilders show obvious synthol use? Because judges will dock them for it.
It's all about seeking the judges approval, they hold the power to shape what pro bodybuilders will strive for.
the gut is not from the gh ,,it is from THE INSULIN ADDITION and then due to the insulin and the ability to eat all you can eat mother fuckin out of this world calories.....the combo of both insulina and all you can ....create this enormous jason cutler waists that in many times are way way worse than jason because jason has some shape to abs ...the gh is only there to keep you lean and drive mutatiton into 3 dimentional aspect while the insulina is what REALLY BLOW your gut,,blow all of you as a matter of fact,,
gh is one of the best hormones bodybuild ever used,,it is very very nesasery in bodybuild especialy when you reach 30 year old inorder to exotnd your bodybuild career or hobby past age 30...not to forget!,,arnold retired at 28 30 ,,,others back then were out of the game very early into the late 20s or into the late 30s,,,today the gh give you another 10-20 years,,infact some compete into their 60s lol and it is DUE TO GH ,,gh is very very good hormones,,infact the best over all hormone for humans,, it is the dumb fucks who put the insulina and the all you can eat buffet with the gh that ruined it all ,,you cant be 280 and keep astetics,,it never look good no matter who you are,,ron colman was very diff and even he hardly pull it at 280-290 it was very hard for him to pull it and he was the best genetics to ever walk earth,,bodybuild should be like it was in 80s and 70s ,,you dont kil a good thing,,you advance it to main stream by making more and more people wanting to use steroids,,remember when you see frank zane,, when you see arnold,,when you osee lee labrada....you actually WANTED TO LOOK LIKE THAT,,THE PUBLIC WAS VERY VERY OPEN TO IT BACK THEN MUCH MORE THAN NOW MUCH MUCH MORE,,
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I thought any oral over 30-45 days was useless ???
What's the maximum amount of time you recommend for all orals
lol,,as long as you body can take it with out making you sleep 17 hours a day ,,with orals there is no ifs or buts,,moment body doesnt want it you will know it oh you will,,you lose all hunger and you want to sleep 17 hours a day ,,there is diff between wanting to sleep 10 hours a day and 17 hours a day....moment this hapen you need a break,,in general i do not like orals and today much prefer injecting everything if conected to good cook
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Are you sure it was HG? Because human grade gear never comes in "50 ml brown bottle". lol. Sounds more like a shitty UGL. :D ;D
Not sure bro... that's why most of the time I went with a doctor script and pharmacy route. The finijet was out of the gym and who knows what it really was.
Pellius... right on about Walzak. I only went to him twice but I remember his saying some of the same things you said here.
GH15 thanks for all the info. Good information.
Flexington... Thanks again.
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Not sure bro... that's why most of the time I went with a doctor script and pharmacy route. The finijet was out of the gym and who knows what it really was.
Pellius... right on about Walzak. I only went to him twice but I remember his saying some of the same things you said here.
GH15 thanks for all the info. Good information.
Flexington... Thanks again.
It appears Walzak may have been ahead of his time regarding cycling. Cycling never made sense to me and Walzak's explanation did. It's what gh15 says and what serious bodybuilders actually do -- never or rarely go off. Plus what happens in the real world. People go off, feel like shit, but suck it up until they think their "receptors cleared" and they can get back on again. But the first four weeks is just getting back to where you were before. Still, the majority of the kids out there still do this cycling thing. Maybe it has to do with money. But one thing, at least for me, it makes you think long and hard if you want to take this step.
BTW, this is one of the points that gives credibility to gh15 and mocks those that think he's Sev or some kid who googles all day. You never hear anybody talk like that openly or find it in google or muscle mags. Even though they've been injecting everyday for years they will still talk in terms of cycles. Maybe they mean they cycle 12 weeks on deca/test/dbol and then immediately start their prop/tren/mast cycle.
I remember Dante's advice on cycling which was blast high dose for 6-8 weeks and then "cruise" on 250mg-500/ml of test for two weeks and then blast again. So say you blast 1.5-2 grams test for 8 weeks, which was the dosage he recommended. How much would your blood levels drop two weeks after you last "blast" shot and then doing the cruise 250-500mg/wk. That's why I found it hilarious when someone posted, "So what you're saying is to just never go off gear?"
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Walzak was a total flamer. If I recall correctly, he had a place in Palm Springs where he would "help" bodybuilders... :-X
I think that pretty much only Arnold and Franco made money at bodybuilding in those days with their courses and guest posing stints at contests at the local, state or national level.
As for cycling of their drugs, most if not all of the guys back then went off for periods of time. It makes sense to give your body a rest from that shit but today's fags in heat stay on constantly at dosages that would suffice for the entire Oakland Raiders team. Fuck that noise.
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Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?
not a bad idea but what would all the schmoes do???...then again.....schmoes would actually have it even better since they would be a major source of income for the BB'ers, since there would be no prize money
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When talking about tren I always read, even guys like Bench and Disgusted insist, that you should only use tren for 6 up to 8 weeks max because it's hard on your kidneys. You seem to recommend that, if serious, to stay on virtually all the time, at least 3 months (as you just mentioned) and that you are safe as long as you don't go crazy with dose like 200mg/day along with alcohol and rec drugs.
How toxic is tren and why would it be harder on your kidneys than any other injectables? Though I didn't think injectables were particularly toxic to your kidneys.
I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a pound of muscle and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test ::)
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Well the fictional character known as Max_Rep would be right there with you on that note. However Max_Rep went back and looked at some old pictures and realized that while he was bigger and much stronger on those fictional cycles, he LOOKED much better at the end of his 9-month break. He had finally achieved what he had set out to do many years earlier as a teen and didn’t even realize it when he got there. The idiot.
Flame away Everlast shorts and all. Don't you just love the eighties clothing styles?
WOW looking good Max. How old in that pic?
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not a bad idea but what would all the schmoes do???...then again.....schmoes would actually have it even better since they would be a major source of income for the BB'ers, since there would be no prize money
When I was younger and competing we all wanted to be pro but NOT because we dreamt of money but because we wanted to stand next to the big guys. As far as prize money there are ways to give out compensation without one losing their amateur status. If anyone is wanting to be a pro for the money there are in the wrong sport..
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There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.
You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.
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There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.
You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.
Jim,
what do you think instead of increase the anabolic, to use 500 test only and blast the GH in high doses(( No anabolics))......Not for competing thought...
Would you think to keep the Test low and use Only GH in high doses will give a good/ better resualt than add anabolic or whatever....
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I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a pound of muscle and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test ::)
and i shall explain you right now why trenbolona is better,, TRENBOLONA DOES NOT BLURR YOUR PHYSIQE ,,DOES NOT HIDE IT UNDER TONS OF LAYERS OF SHIT,,WHAT IT DOES IS SCULPTING IT ,,YOU CAN TAKE 300 MG OF TRENBOLONA AND WONT GAIN WATER ,,YOU WILL REMAIN IN CONSTANT WATER ON FRAME OR EVEN REDUCE IT WHILE BODYFAT IS REDUCED EVERY SINGLE WEEK,, THATS WHY TRENBOLONA IS SO CHASED AFTER BY ALL OF US,,SAME AS GH ONLY ANABOLIC AND ANDROGENIC STEROID!
when i say trenbolona is the drug of choice it is because when you take trenbolona you can be some no one walking around 13-15% bodyfat and suddenly after 3 -4 months on trenbolona you enter a bar and the coctail waitress think you are a profesional bodybuilder,,now true public know nothing about nothing,,but in reality if someone ask you how long you are profesional bodybuild....and you jus tstarted hormonizing yourself with trenbolona 3 months back...that says it all about the hormone you are using my friend,,
true most fellas who use trenbolona also use gh with it and testosterona but! the trenbolona gives a very uniqe quality tlook that is there even when you stop the gh for a while and after gh water go away the trenbolona is there till the end and keep you dense and thick and full and jacked and cut! it bring all the lines in and keep the lean muscle poundage on your frame while you take out the gh ....it gives you a twisted nasty illuion of massive fella when you are sitting 200lb looking like you are 220....
trenbolona is the reason you like the 90s bodybuild so much friend,,that is the exact reason trenbolona and gh ...very very importanto part of bodybuilders now days and since the 70s but major level of this drug into the 90s
there is no replacment to trenbolona,,we have yet to find it ,,it takes avaergae and make it much better than average ....
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NO! Have you ever seen a physique built solely on 500 mg of test? First you will not get much quality muscle size from 500 mg of test. Second, guys who use test only look terrible, red in the face, tons of water retention and always a soft look. People always forget the anabolic steroids were invented to get rid of the unwanted side effects of testosterone. Also, adding GH to an already terrible look will do nothing of benefit for you.
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i have hard on now,,this is what woman shoudl look like friends,,you see it and want to destroy it!
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You know this from experience or google?
both
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So what's a good cycle without test?
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So what's a good cycle without test?
100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..
or 600-1000mg equipoise per week
or 600-1000mg deca per week
or 100mg masteron per day
or.....
just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit aint rocket science
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So what's a good cycle without test?
What TBombz said. ;D but I will caution that the doses he list are for advanced guys with some experience behind them. If you are a newbie grab some dbol and do a 8 weeks cycle at 30 mgs daily. Oh and forget about buying some HCG and liver protectants and all the other bullshit that everyone recommends. Total waste of time.
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100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..
or 600-1000mg equipoise per week
or 600-1000mg deca per week
or 100mg masteron per day
or.....
just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit aint rocket science
I would use either deca or Equipoise....they give pretty much the same results.
Why waste gear?
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I would use either deca or Equipoise....they give pretty much the same results.
Why waste gear?
i didnt say both at the same time
but you could do that if you wanted to
i dont believe you can waste gear, well, i guess once you get up to a certain point, like say 2-3 grams, then anything over that would be wasted.
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i didnt say both at the same time
My bad bro. :(
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My bad bro. :(
people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.
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people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.
You may be right,but I`d alternate them.........unless of course I was rich! :)
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Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml) was also clear.
I'm using tren cyclo now. it is light yellow with a gold tinge. I can tell the difference between it and ace, so I know they are two different products and its not ace masquerading as cyclo. the old finaject was clear indeed. I'm sure there are reasons for the colour of this paste being what it is aside from not being legit product. source of powder, type of oil, way it's cooked etc.
great discussion btw. best thread on the board in some time. props to pellius, jim, max and gh for some great posts.
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What TBombz said. ;D but I will caution that the doses he list are for advanced guys with some experience behind them. If you are a newbie grab some dbol and do a 8 weeks cycle at 30 mgs daily. Oh and forget about buying some HCG and liver protectants and all the other bullshit that everyone recommends. Total waste of time.
If you are going to use Tren ace only, how would you SAFELY cycle it for advance bodybuilders....as 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off...ect
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If you are going to use Tren ace only, how would you SAFELY cycle it for advance bodybuilders....as 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off...ect
That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.
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That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.
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Chill bro, eat some pizza and relax.
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Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.
Bodybuilding was too of course.
x1000
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That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.
trenbolona
gh
testosterona prop
masterona
that is what you need to look like a bodybuilder,,
inorder to look like a large now day profesional bodybuild or top amatuer who compete for profesional car and place well...you need to add INSULIN to the above and gh in higher doses including grams of testosterona and equipona and nandrolona in the off time when you say you take some off time from competing
most fella want quality look ,,inorder to have quality look there got to be inside your blood the following compounds
trenbolona
gh
testosterona prop
masterona
those 4 are a must inorder to get quality look and maintain it,, yes you can do well with out gh only! after you used it already for few months and work on the window of fibers and fat burning it gave you....yes you can do well with out gh if! you are yougster at 20 year old that already have his own gh at all time high ,,,come 30 year old and you can forget about bodybuild with out gh at some time during the year preferably most time
gh15 approved
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the thing with trenbolona is,,,it grow you lean ,,you dont gain weight on scale but you lose bodyfat like you been on meth for all your life with out looking like you are on meth....you chizel your body while maintinaing all muscle as in lean muscle,,you will weight 190 but you will look 220 i keep tellin you that ,,try this!
doses can not be 50 mg they have to be in the 100s 100 120 150 every day of high quality ,,you can go 150 every 2 day of high quality raw and that DOES NOT mean cow pellets
gh15 approved
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After doings a few show ,I ran out of gear (mostly Enanthate and/or Sustanon) and money, but had plenty of tren acetate left.
I did a tren only cycle that probably lasted about 11 weeks as I did a couple more contests ...........got pretty hard,and looked Ok for me anyway, but my cock didn`t work too well afterwards! :(
Took a while for my joint to get serious again. :'(
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trenbolona
gh
testosterona prop
masterona
that is what you need to look like a bodybuilder,,
inorder to look like a large now day profesional bodybuild or top amatuer who compete for profesional car and place well...you need to add INSULIN to the above and gh in higher doses including grams of testosterona and equipona and nandrolona in the off time when you say you take some off time from competing
most fella want quality look ,,inorder to have quality look there got to be inside your blood the following compounds
trenbolona
gh
testosterona prop
masterona
those 4 are a must inorder to get quality look and maintain it,, yes you can do well with out gh only! after you used it already for few months and work on the window of fibers and fat burning it gave you....yes you can do well with out gh if! you are yougster at 20 year old that already have his own gh at all time high ,,,come 30 year old and you can forget about bodybuild with out gh at some time during the year preferably most time
gh15 approved
Yes you may be right about that, but who wants to look like these guys today all bloofy and bloated. ;) I guess it all boils down to what your definition of a bodybuilder is. I know a guy who weighs around 235 at 6' 2 that looks pretty good.
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100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..
or 600-1000mg equipoise per week
or 600-1000mg deca per week
or 100mg masteron per day
or.....
just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit aint rocket science
Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?
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Walzak was a total flamer. If I recall correctly, he had a place in Palm Springs where he would "help" bodybuilders... :-X
I think that pretty much only Arnold and Franco made money at bodybuilding in those days with their courses and guest posing stints at contests at the local, state or national level.
As for cycling of their drugs, most if not all of the guys back then went off for periods of time. It makes sense to give your body a rest from that shit but today's fags in heat stay on constantly at dosages that would suffice for the entire Oakland Raiders team. Fuck that noise.
LOL @ Walzak being a flamer. His buddy, the gym owner I mentioned, Jim Barlow, also was but more discrete. At that time I was just too naive. Even though he lived alone except for the periods when he'd have young man staying with him and help him out running the gym. It's only after he died of AIDS (seriously) that I caught on. In the mid 1980s AIDS started to really take it's toll on the gays.
BTW, what do you mean "give your body a rest"? A rest from what? A hyper state of anabolic efficiency? It when you go off that your is more under stress and you are more in a catabolic state? The person feels it first hand. When you finally reach normalcy that's usually when a person goes back on. It's the up and down that Walzak didn't like. He prescribed very modest dosages (200 deca/3 Ciba dbol/day) and just believed in steady progression. Just like you don't start off eating 5,000 calories a day but work up to it as you get bigger.
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BTW, what do you mean "give your body a rest"? A rest from what? A hyper state of anabolic efficiency? It when you go off that your is more under stress and you are more in a catabolic state? The person feels it first hand. When you finally reach normalcy that's usually when a person goes back on. It's the up and down that Walzak didn't like. He prescribed very modest dosages (200 deca/3 Ciba dbol/day) and just believed in steady progression. Just like you don't start off eating 5,000 calories a day but work up to it as you get bigger.
Bingo!!!! slow and steadily increase doses over time.
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I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a pound of muscle and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test ::)
LOL, I'm past the stage in life for any mutation. I ain't stabbing myself 5-6x/wk. I can barely keep up with my weekly HRT schedule. It would be kind of funny though if after 20+ years of being around the same size I suddenly, at 50 years old age, start getting jacked. I'll just say I'm doing Basile's grand unified theory of hypertrophy training and eating Jamianca food.
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the thing with trenbolona is,,,it grow you lean ,,you dont gain weight on scale but you lose bodyfat like you been on meth for all your life with out looking like you are on meth....you chizel your body while maintinaing all muscle as in lean muscle,,you will weight 190 but you will look 220 i keep tellin you that ,,try this!
doses can not be 50 mg they have to be in the 100s 100 120 150 every day of high quality ,,you can go 150 every 2 day of high quality raw and that DOES NOT mean cow pellets
gh15 approved
So what do you recomaned safely of using tren for Noun compateter bodybuildier....You now Tren is amazing but still very strong at the kindny..
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Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?
LOL!! Again Tdongz getting pwnd. Homo is a glutton for punishment. Being a bottom bitch does that to you.
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I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a pound of muscle and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test ::)
Are you for fuckin real ?.Have you ever touched Tren ? It pisses all over testosterone(which is considered king) and nandralone both anabolicly and androgenicly but without the androgen sides of water etc etc Do some research and ffs keep quite until you have been doing this for a certain amount of time - hint: you arnt there yet ::)
Check out the anabolic to androgen ratios below.Theres a reason why Tren is considered the best BB compound of all time.
Compound:---------Androgenic------Anabolic
Nandrolone Decanoate 37------125
Test E/C/P/Susp & Blends 100------100
Tren Ace/Ena & Blends 500------500
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i have hard on now,,this is what woman shoudl look like friends,,you see it and want to destroy it!
gh15 approved
QFT - My pants just went "pop" :D
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100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..
or 600-1000mg equipoise per week
or 600-1000mg deca per week
or 100mg masteron per day
or.....
just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit aint rocket science
Run them all at doses listed above :D
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people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.
Im on them both now and think they are great togeather :)
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great discussion btw. best thread on the board in some time. props to pellius, jim, max and gh for some great posts.
This 8)
And with that I'll finish my 5 post in a row meltdown :D
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Chill bro, eat some pizza and relax.
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WOW looking good Max. How old in that pic?
Pic is ancient dude. About 1984 or 5. After training with Samir for 5 or 6 months, I moved to Redondo Beach. I trained there and clean for nine months and then did that photo shoot. I tried to post a recent pic and it said the file was to large. I'll try again later. Like I said somewhere not a contest winning body but thw kind of physique I wanted from when I first started years earlier.
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You may be right,but I`d alternate them.........unless of course I was rich! :)
agreed
That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.
:o u jokin? tren is the best roid for mass period! although a little test with it would make it work much better in the long run
Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?
no
its better
Run them all at doses listed above :D
that would be fun 8)
Im on them both now and think they are great togeather :)
brand?
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agreed
:o u jokin? tren is the best roid for mass period! although a little test with it would make it work much better in the long run
So if tren is best for mass bar none why would one need test to make it work better?
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So if tren is best for mass bar none why would one need test to make it work better?
because they would dry out and probably get injured or just stop gaining without any estrogen
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the good ol days
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because they would dry out and probably get injured or just stop gaining without any estrogen
Taking tren by itself does not suppress estrogen by lets say it does, the best mass drug is not the one that "dries you out" injures you and has limited gain potential meaning that it stops working for some reason. I have never known anyone who took tren by itself and got their best mass gains ever.
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Taking tren by itself does not suppress estrogen by lets say it does, the best mass drug is not the one that "dries you out" injures you and has limited gain potential meaning that it stops working for some reason. I have never known anyone who took tren by itself and got their best mass gains ever.
i absolutely agree with what your saying but i think the real issue isnt tren alone isnt that great but any steroid alone isnt that great. when compared to stacks like test+tren.
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the good ol days
You mean tan lines?
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i dont even knwo where to start with all the postings written above,,some are true some are he say some are just balonie,,i dnt know what to do anymore ,,i try to put you the way it is ill try again
this is the facts
1. arnold USED TRENBOLONA,,any bodybuilder used trenbolona,,TRENBOLONA WAS AROUND FROM LATE 60S IT WAS VETERINARY AND WAS AROUND,, arnold used it
2. tren does not does not grow bulk mass on you as in watery mass or mass with fat and water,,what tren ace does is increases your LEAN MUSCLE MASS VIA LOSS OF FAT ,,it is basicaly a safe dnp with anabolic effect since it is steroid.... it was meant and stil meant to increase lean mass on cows before killing them so you can buy them in your publix for 5 dolaros per lb rather than 3 dolaros per lb since the lean cow will be 4.5 % fat rather than 20% fat....
3. trenbolona harden you up and is a very slow diuretic ,,it is not diuretic per say but it is a safe slow diuretic that dial you in if done for long enough time,,it will harden you up,,help you lose bodyfat with zero cardio,,increase your lean muscle especially when done with gh ,,and ! will clear the lines from all the junk you have there between the skin and the muscle mainly fat and water...
4. trenbolona can safely be used at doses of 100 mg every day even 150mg for MONTHS ,,nothing to do with kidnys unles you dont drink at all but any drug will do damage if you dont drink even testosterona,,,you need to drink period not always like crazy and all the balonie you hear but you do need to drink and to keep hydrated ,,
and finaly THE REASON YOU HEAR ABOUT BODYBUIDL COLLAPSE AND DIE IS USUALY FROM PRE CONDITIONS AND IN MOST CASES BECAUSE MANY BODYBUILDERS AND OTHER WANNA BES WALK AROUND AND DO MUCH MORE THAN HORMONES,,THE HORMONES IS JUST THE CHERRY ON TOP OF THEIR MILKSHAKE.......THEY GOT UNDER IT FULLLL LOAD OF COAKE ,,PAIN KILLERS,, AND BOOZ TYPE OF WHIPCREAM
milshake + cherry on top = what you want
milshake full of whip cream where you cant see milkshake around because of this white disgusting cream that cover it all over = death
the bodybuild who fall victims to liver problems and kidny problems are first and formost recreational drug users and partyiers ,,they are not doing bodybuild for the love of bodybuild they do it just because by the way kinda thing
gh15 approved
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i dont even knwo where to start with all the postings written above,,some are true some are he say some are just balonie,,i dnt know what to do anymore ,,i try to put you the way it is ill try again
this is the facts
1. arnold USED TRENBOLONA,,any bodybuilder used trenbolona,,TRENBOLONA WAS AROUND FROM LATE 60S IT WAS VETERINARY AND WAS AROUND,, arnold used it
2. tren does not does not grow bulk mass on you as in watery mass or mass with fat and water,,what tren ace does is increases your LEAN MUSCLE MASS VIA LOSS OF FAT ,,it is basicaly a safe dnp with anabolic effect since it is steroid.... it was meant and stil meant to increase lean mass on cows before killing them so you can buy them in your publix for 5 dolaros per lb rather than 3 dolaros per lb since the lean cow will be 4.5 % fat rather than 20% fat....
3. trenbolona harden you up and is a very slow diuretic ,,it is not diuretic per say but it is a safe slow diuretic that dial you in if done for long enough time,,it will harden you up,,help you lose bodyfat with zero cardio,,increase your lean muscle especially when done with gh ,,and ! will clear the lines from all the junk you have there between the skin and the muscle mainly fat and water...
4. trenbolona can safely be used at doses of 100 mg every day even 150mg for MONTHS ,,nothing to do with kidnys unles you dont drink at all but any drug will do damage if you dont drink even testosterona,,,you need to drink period not always like crazy and all the balonie you hear but you do need to drink and to keep hydrated ,,
and finaly THE REASON YOU HEAR ABOUT BODYBUIDL COLLAPSE AND DIE IS USUALY FROM PRE CONDITIONS AND IN MOST CASES BECAUSE MANY BODYBUILDERS AND OTHER WANNA BES WALK AROUND AND DO MUCH MORE THAN HORMONES,,THE HORMONES IS JUST THE CHERRY ON TOP OF THEIR MILKSHAKE.......THEY GOT UNDER IT FULLLL LOAD OF COAKE ,,PAIN KILLERS,, AND BOOZ TYPE OF WHIPCREAM
milshake + cherry on top = what you want
milshake full of whip cream where you cant see milkshake around because of this white disgusting cream that cover it all over = death
the bodybuild who fall victims to liver problems and kidny problems are first and formost recreational drug users and partyiers ,,they are not doing bodybuild for the love of bodybuild they do it just because by the way kinda thing
gh15 approved
Good stuff!
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A 1000 + mgs per week of tren for months safe? I'll pass on finding out.
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A 1000 + mgs per week of tren for months safe? I'll pass on finding out.
This guy told me he's been on tren since oct 10'.......
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This guy told me he's been on tren since oct 10'.......
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See? Not good. >:(
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A 1000 + mgs per week of tren for months safe? I'll pass on finding out.
oh yes,,many do it ,,120mg every day for months ,,3 months ,,many many do it infact trenbolona is the new testosterona : )
no problems,, you do need to drink but you do need to drink with anythign not only with this hormone,,the more important thing is to have the trenbolona high quality so its nto contaminated with shit in it,,
gh15 approved
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What TBombz said. ;D but I will caution that the doses he list are for advanced guys with some experience behind them. If you are a newbie grab some dbol and do a 8 weeks cycle at 30 mgs daily. Oh and forget about buying some HCG and liver protectants and all the other bullshit that everyone recommends. Total waste of time.
The fictional character known as Max Rep was VERY close to someone who grew like a weed on 20 mg of Dbol a day and 200 mg of Decca cards a week. Those people would be at that dosage for quite a while before adding Methandriol or Equipoise or Anavar.
Technically there should be no difference between generic Dbol and Ciba Dbol but the Ciba produced results not found in the generic. The same was true of Organon Decca and Generic.
I agree that people think they have to start high and use 4-5 drugs to get results. How about letting the lower doses do what they can first. Also the spectrum of different drugs should be kept for a future cycle. That way you’re always doing something different.
I can’t comment to much on GH15’s love of Tren but it seems reasonable. I remember a few guys raving about it. The one or two times the fictional character used it, it is uncertain if it was real tren but the results were pretty awesome.
Methadriol had it all over test like 10 bitches at shoe sale.
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The fictional character known as Max Rep was VERY close to someone who grew like a weed on 20 mg of Dbol a day and 200 mg of Decca cards a week. Those people would be at that dosage for quite a while before adding Methandriol or Equipoise or Anavar.
Technically there should be no difference between generic Dbol and Ciba Dbol but the Ciba produced results not found in the generic. The same was true of Organon Decca and Generic.
I agree that people think they have to start high and use 4-5 drugs to get results. How about letting the lower doses do what they can first. Also the spectrum of different drugs should be kept for a future cycle. That way you’re always doing something different.
I can’t comment to much on GH15’s love of Tren but it seems reasonable. I remember a few guys raving about it. The one or two times the fictional character used it, it is uncertain if it was real tren but the results were pretty awesome.
Methadriol had it all over test like 10 bitches at shoe sale.
Sounds like Lee Priest
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If you all want to have underground and "cool" bodybuilding competitions then why don't you just do it?
Put up some flyers, post some ads, just do it instead of talking about it.
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Sounds like Lee Priest
Anyone who went to Dr. Kerr. Arnold went to Walkzac.
Arnold loved Promobolin Acetate injectable. He told Danny P this with my former roommate present. He never spoke about tren. Could be possible.
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If you all want to have underground and "cool" bodybuilding competitions then why don't you just do it?
Put up some flyers, post some ads, just do it instead of talking about it.
Wha the fu?