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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: gh15 on August 29, 2011, 01:04:36 PM
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this is impoerant issue i want to discuess with every one on evry boarding,, this is important matter,,
STOP CALLING SOMEONE LIKE THIS 18% 15% 13% ,, this is lean fella at high singles to 10% ,, this is what 9-10% look like,, stop balonie around saying 13 14 15 16,,not even remotly close,, this is LEAN fella with some density ,, this is a fella that has solid built ,, this is not someone who walk around with mid doubles,, this is very close to mid singles matter of 2-3 months,,
this is 9-10% bodyfat ,, so stop doing this balonie and everyone who dont show tunneled dry abs call 14% ,, this is not 14 not 12 and i made a mistake and gave him 11 but no it is also not o11 ,, it is 9-10%
you do not show this type of solid with the abs liek that unless you got to 10% ,,
i want it to be read by cult members so they understand this once and for all ,,WATER AND FAT ARE 2 DIFF THINGS! this fella doesnt have either in high amount,, his skin is also THIN! this is good GENETIC build
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this is impoerant issue i want to discuess with every one on evry boarding,, this is important matter,,
STOP CALLING SOMEONE LIKE THIS 18% 15% 13% ,, this is lean fella at high singles to 10% ,, this is what 9-10% look like,, stop balonie around saying 13 14 15 16,,not even remotly close,, this is LEAN fella with some density ,, this is a fella that has solid built ,, this is not someone who walk around with mid doubles,, this is very close to mid singles matter of 2-3 months,,
this is 9-10% bodyfat ,, so stop doing this balonie and everyone who dont show tunneled dry abs call 14% ,, this is not 14 not 12 and i made a mistake and gave him 11 but no it is also not o11 ,, it is 9-10%
you do not show this type of solid with the abs liek that unless you got to 10% ,,
i want it to be read by cult members so they understand this once and for all ,,WATER AND FAT ARE 2 DIFF THINGS! this fella doesnt have either in high amount,, his skin is also THIN! this is good GENETIC build
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haha..who the fuck said this guy was like 18%...if thats 18%, fatpanda is 60%bf.
If your abs are visible its 10 or below bf.
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GH15,
What do you estimate my Bodyfat in each photo?
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Did you just say you made a mistake?
Say it ISN'T so!!!!!! :o :o :o
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(Adonis)
6-7 in the first photo
nearly 5 in the second.
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the guy in the pics is pretty ripped btw
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they are fuckin crazy here lol ,, i actualy saw someone give this fella 14 and even 16% i think one said 18 % lol ,, they are absolitly nuts,, confuse water for fat,, confuse fat with muscle ,, i do not know how someone can give this fella even 1 percent over all over 11% and 11 is being very mean to him ,, skin is thin too which in reality wil make him look every less bodyfat
he just dont have 220lb muscle on him but it doesnt mean he is 13 anything,,10% in a very bad mexicano kind of day
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gh how many %
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1jxlkn.jpg)
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this looks like you have less water but more, I might be completely wrong though lol
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GH15,
What do you estimate my Bodyfat in each photo?
6% ,, true naturals... never get under true 6% ,, shadows dont count ,, the first picture has too much shadow variables to be 4-5% ,, its 6% though ,, solid 6%
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the guy in the pics is pretty ripped btw
ofcourse he is ,, he has good physiqe thats why i brought him up as example ,, he aint no balonie,, hit is true 10% even little less
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gh how many %
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1jxlkn.jpg)
6-7%,, hold some water,, closer to 6%
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actualy wait ,, first one you may be mid 5s.. 5-6% very hard to tell ,, need picture in the light outside to knwo exact percentage ,, over all from pther pictures i have seen of you this is drier 6% over all
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What about this, God?
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8%,, hard to tell the way picture is taken in this light ,, lean though
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gh15 can u tell someones bodyfat by just looking at their legs>???
pics of my legs
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How about me, Gh?
I was 46 years old here....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/secondleanestevarcopy-1.jpg)
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GH15, what was fatpanda's bf%? :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397503;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397504;image)
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How about me, Gh?
I was 46 years old here....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/secondleanestevarcopy-1.jpg)
My eye is NOT as spot on as the GH15....im going with btn 7 and 8%...... That's a solid look man.
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My eye is NOT as spot on as the GH15....im going with btn 7 and 8%...... That's a solid look man.
Thanks, I did the water immersion test and it gave me 7.6% ~ you are right on the money. I had a little gyno goin' on, but nobody believes I wasn't running anything and hadn't been for quite some time, which is why I believe I got the gyno in the first place. I NEVER kept levels *steady* when I did decide to cycle up a bit.
I dieted VERY meticulously with a scale, calorie counting, the same food everyday and moderately heavy and high-rep lifting. My test levels (when tested by the doc) were actually very low. Low enough that he would have put me on HRT, but I had other "issues" in my life that were taking from my workouts. I could still diet hardcore, but the gym had to suck hind tit for quite a while. My anxiety and stress were high and I knew that anything exogenous would aggravate that, AND, that if I opted for medication for anxiety, I would eat more junk. It was definitely a tough time, but I almost had a damn 8 pack (with ab veins) ~ go figure.
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So I was wrong lol, you are ripped too, everyone is fucking ripped except for me lol
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gh15 can u tell someones bodyfat by just looking at their legs>???
pics of my legs
cant tell from legs only ,, can estimate but need the all body in picture,, legs are tricky ,, they umm inflame and its nto eay to judge by legs,, some fellas are ripped and have smooth legs due to water and some hold their fat in the legs mainly ,, some dont even work legs ...hard to tell from legs
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How about me, Gh?
I was 46 years old here....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/secondleanestevarcopy-1.jpg)
6% hold water ,,maybe little over 6,, 6.5 but! HOLD BLOAT which is more water from within the muscle ,, over all 6.5
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GH15, what was fatpanda's bf%? :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397503;image)
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dead
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Thanks, I did the water immersion test and it gave me 7.6% ~ you are right on the money. I had a little gyno goin' on, but nobody believes I wasn't running anything and hadn't been for quite some time, which is why I believe I got the gyno in the first place. I NEVER kept levels *steady* when I did decide to cycle up a bit.
I dieted VERY meticulously with a scale, calorie counting, the same food everyday and moderately heavy and high-rep lifting. My test levels (when tested by the doc) were actually very low. Low enough that he would have put me on HRT, but I had other "issues" in my life that were taking from my workouts. I could still diet hardcore, but the gym had to suck hind tit for quite a while. My anxiety and stress were high and I knew that anything exogenous would aggravate that, AND, that if I opted for medication for anxiety, I would eat more junk. It was definitely a tough time, but I almost had a damn 8 pack (with ab veins) ~ go figure.
dont know about 7.5 ,, you have density of 6ixer,, but yes anything 6-8 is competetive level that just need to tune up
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, true naturals... never get under true 6% ,,
Haha STFU.
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Haha STFU.
they dont,, they get down to 5.5-6% 5.5 really by grace of god if they are some INDONISIANS OR SOME ASIAN FROM NO WHERE TO BE FOUND PLACE,, but over all most naturals 6% at best,,if you can get down to 5-6% naturaly you one out of 100! and most likley asian
remember im talking NATURALY that mean also no diuretic !
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they dont,, they get down to 5.5-6% 5.5 really by grace of god if they are some INDONISIANS OR SOME ASIAN FROM NO WHERE TO BE FOUND PLACE,, but over all most naturals 6% at best,,if you can get down to 5-6% naturaly you one out of 100! and most likley asian
remember im talking NATURALY that mean also no diuretic !
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
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Did you use a school photocopier circa 1993 to produce such an image hahahhaha more pixels in a squadfather reflection.
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... he said natural lol
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
Che how tall are you?
Also do you have a pic when you were 9 lbs lighter?
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Che how tall are you?
Also do you have a pic when you were 9 lbs lighter?
I'm 5'9'.
I do on stage ,but I would like to remain anonymous.
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I'm 5'9'.
I do on stage ,but I would like to remain anonymous.
Good point, on-stage photos can not be cropped to remove the face similar to off-stage photos ;D
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Good point, on-stage photos can not be cropped to remove the face similar to off-stage photos ;D
banners, trophy ,competitors ,people raising my arms ...etc. I don't feel like scanning and cropping old pics just to satisfy your thirst for man in thongz 8).
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banners, trophy ,competitors ,people raising my arms ...etc. I don't feel like scanning and cropping old pics just to satisfy your thirst for man in thongz 8).
lol was just trying to see how the overall look changed when you dropped 11 lbs from the b&w picture, and whether a further 11 lb drop was needed or not. I think if you looked better at 154 than at 165 you would have cropped and posted a pic at that bodyweight instead of at 165.
No hate, you look good either way.
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lol was just trying to see how the overall look changed when you dropped 11 lbs from the b&w picture, and whether a further 11 lb drop was needed or not. I think if you looked better at 154 than at 165 you would have cropped and posted a pic at that bodyweight instead of at 165.
No hate, you look good either way.
NP , I think the 11lbs was mostly water weight I was leaner at 154 lbs but I was a little bit fuller at 165lbs ,BTW I've never took pictures of myself I didn't even have a camera back then , the pics I've posted are from modeling or friends that took some pics and gave it to me .
I'm not lying Bigbobs , see I have 2 two 1st place (LW class ) trophies between my wife's 12 overall trophies ::).
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NP , I think the 11lbs was mostly water weight I was leaner at 154 lbs but I was a little bit fuller at 165lbs ,BTW I've never took pictures of myself I didn't even have a camera back then , the pics I've posted are from modeling or friends that took some pics and gave it to me .
I'm not lying Bigbobs , see I have 2 two 1st place (LW class ) trophies between my wife's 12 overall trophies ::).
I never accused you of lying at all. All I said i was I think you would post the better-looking pic above between 165 vs. 154 lbs when trying to make a point of the condition one can achieve naturally.
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Thanks, I did the water immersion test and it gave me 7.6% ~ you are right on the money. I had a little gyno goin' on, but nobody believes I wasn't running anything and hadn't been for quite some time, which is why I believe I got the gyno in the first place. I NEVER kept levels *steady* when I did decide to cycle up a bit.
I dieted VERY meticulously with a scale, calorie counting, the same food everyday and moderately heavy and high-rep lifting. My test levels (when tested by the doc) were actually very low. Low enough that he would have put me on HRT, but I had other "issues" in my life that were taking from my workouts. I could still diet hardcore, but the gym had to suck hind tit for quite a while. My anxiety and stress were high and I knew that anything exogenous would aggravate that, AND, that if I opted for medication for anxiety, I would eat more junk. It was definitely a tough time, but I almost had a damn 8 pack (with ab veins) ~ go figure.
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GH15, what bodyfat % is this?
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Thanks, I did the water immersion test and it gave me 7.6% ~ you are right on the money. I had a little gyno goin' on, but nobody believes I wasn't running anything and hadn't been for quite some time, which is why I believe I got the gyno in the first place. I NEVER kept levels *steady* when I did decide to cycle up a bit.
I dieted VERY meticulously with a scale, calorie counting, the same food everyday and moderately heavy and high-rep lifting. My test levels (when tested by the doc) were actually very low. Low enough that he would have put me on HRT, but I had other "issues" in my life that were taking from my workouts. I could still diet hardcore, but the gym had to suck hind tit for quite a while. My anxiety and stress were high and I knew that anything exogenous would aggravate that, AND, that if I opted for medication for anxiety, I would eat more junk. It was definitely a tough time, but I almost had a damn 8 pack (with ab veins) ~ go figure.
"exogenous" Very cool use of that word (really)
What a trip that you had big time cock dieslness going on with low testie level but as you so clearly stated you "dieted very meticulously"
natural it ususally breaks down like this
diet (clean)- 60%
cardio (hit) 30%
weights-10%
on the roids well...................
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dont know about 7.5 ,, you have density of 6ixer,, but yes anything 6-8 is competetive level that just need to tune up
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Thanks.
I'm 48 now. Not sure what I want to do. I know that my internal organs cannot stand up to continuous "hormonization" without some serious repercussions. Every bodybuilder wants to be big, which is why I keep my standards on the likes of Lee Labrada. I don't necessarily want to be that big if it takes boatloads ~ but I do want to stay cut, lean, and bigger than a twink.
I'm not willing to use fat burners (other than the *Golden* one) ~ and I have NEVER taken a diueretic.
We shall see...
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GH15, what bodyfat % is this?
That's fukin cadaver ripped right there. Look at his brachialis!!
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
Amazing physique if you truly are/where natural. Can you tell us a little about your training and nutrition?
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
Gh did issue a "disclaimer" of sorts...
He's not gonna name everything and everyone that just might be genetically gifted.
BTW, that waist line looks damn good (if you didn't PS the pic) ~ that, my friend is a prime example of bodybuilding "genetics"
Now, did you win that show?
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"exogenous" Very cool use of that word (really)
What a trip that you had big time cock dieslness going on with low testie level but as you so clearly stated you "dieted very meticulously"
natural it ususally breaks down like this
diet (clean)- 60%
cardio (hit) 30%
weights-10%
on the roids well...................
I hear you...
I really don't know how else to explain it.
As far as the cock diesel... it wasn't happening.. at all ~ and my S.O was pissed. And, no.. regardless of prevalence, I'm not a homo.
In clothes I looked like a twink. Pictures can be very deceiving, no?
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Amazing physique if you truly are/where natural. Can you tell us a little about your training and nutrition?
I'm/was 100% natural , about training nothing you haven't heard before , nutrition 5 or 6 meals a day 30-40 gr protein each meal ,and the rest carbs (sweet potato ,brown rice ,oatmeal .....etc.) , low fat . I know boring.
Gh did issue a "disclaimer" of sorts...
He's not gonna name everything and everyone that just might be genetically gifted.
BTW, that waist line looks damn good (if you didn't PS the pic) ~ that, my friend is a prime example of bodybuilding "genetics"
Now, did you win that show?
I was born with great shape/lines genetics and shitty genetics for size , I won my class I didn't win the overall MW won.
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GH15 pasha this is my leanest ever,.. plz let me know approximately my BF%.. i am 171 cm and was 66 kg on that day 8) ;D
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
great physique.. you just needed a little thicker chest to go with your shoulders and arms..
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I'm/was 100% natural , about training nothing you haven't heard before , nutrition 5 or 6 meals a day 30-40 gr protein each meal ,and the rest carbs (sweet potato ,brown rice ,oatmeal .....etc.) , low fat . I know boring.
I was born with great shape/lines genetics and shitty genetics for size , I won my class I didn't win the overall MW won.
Cool. Once again, great physique.
I remember you said before that you think strength is overrated and that you can grow and still basically use the same weights. Could you talk about this? 8)
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Sorry but no one on getbig is more ripped than me and I reached this level being natty
Maybe 4% on those pic
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Sorry but no one on getbig is more ripped than me and I reached this level being natty
Maybe 4% on those pic
very good arm and shoulder.. as for abs i believe they must be more detailed with these crazy veins!!.. as you see in my above pics i didnt have one vein on my abs but they were more detailed than yours..
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Cool. Once again, great physique.
I remember you said before that you think strength is overrated and that you can grow and still basically use the same weights. Could you talk about this? 8)
I didn't say strength was overrated , I said that you can still grow even when you aren't able to add any weight to your lifts .
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I didn't say strength was overrated , I said that you can still grow even when you aren't able to add any weight to your lifts .
Ok, got it.
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great physique.. you just needed a little thicker chest to go with your shoulders and arms..
Thank you Sherief, you are correct.
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I didn't say strength was overrated , I said that you can still grow even when you aren't able to add any weight to your lifts .
che i know you don't talk about training much but i wish at least once you would give us an idea of what you do. sure we may have heard whatever you have to say before, but i have never heard advice from a natural with a physique like yours. in fact, i think the only people i have ever received extensive advice from were quite hormonized.
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very good arm and shoulder.. as for abs i believe they must be more detailed with these crazy veins!!.. as you see in my above pics i didnt have one vein on my abs but they were more detailed than yours..
I wasn't flexing them to much , I was flexing it to see veins but look at those pic
By the way i'm arab too ;D
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I wasn't flexing them to much , I was flexing it to see veins but look at those pic
By the way i'm arab too ;D
GREAT ARAB GENETICS BRO. ;D
which country??..
do you like nasser el sonbaty??.. i see your potential hahhaha..
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wide waist. salami bannout. kader musulman olak
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I didn't say strength was overrated , I said that you can still grow even when you aren't able to add any weight to your lifts .
this is what we can call muscles maturity!!.. muscles get thicker after years of training even without being able to increase weights!!..
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wide waist. salami bannout. kader musulman olak
i remember well my waist was 70 cm the period before this contest so on the day of the show i am sure it was even smaller ASSHOLE :-X
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i remember well my waist was 70 cm the period before this contest so on the day of the show i am sure it was even smaller ASSHOLE :-X
I was referring to your arab cousin. Long live Gamal Abdel Nasser.
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GREAT ARAB GENETICS BRO. ;D
which country??..
do you like nasser el sonbaty??.. i see your potential hahhaha..
Morocco .
I like all pro arab bodybuilders and I have to , obviously there aren't many so we should support them ;D
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Morocco .
I like all pro arab bodybuilders and I have to , obviously there aren't many so we should support them ;D
believe it or not it came to my mind you would say morocco i swear!!.. i was not 100% sure of course or even 10% but i always feel i have that 6th sense expecting things that cant be logically expected!!..
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I was referring to your arab cousin. Long live Gamal Abdel Nasser.
i thought you meant me since you said salami ;D
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I disagree God I was 5% for my 1st show ,I'm not Asian and I wouldn't even know what to do with diuretics.
This pic is 3 weeks out around 165lbs I competed at 154 lbs. veins in my stomach and legs , striated shoulders ....etc.
stop putting this stupid black and white angled and all the special light picture,, this is most likley 6% maybe in the 5.5 zone,, trust me this is what i payed for ,, never a natural in the 4-5% ,, again maybe inbetween 5 and 6 but rarely and got to have very very thin skin ,,over all 6% on true naturals
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NP , I think the 11lbs was mostly water weight I was leaner at 154 lbs but I was a little bit fuller at 165lbs ,BTW I've never took pictures of myself I didn't even have a camera back then , the pics I've posted are from modeling or friends that took some pics and gave it to me .
I'm not lying Bigbobs , see I have 2 two 1st place (LW class ) trophies between my wife's 12 overall trophies ::).
no body say you are lieing,, but you are just like boika my good friend from indonisia,, same numbers too,, he was 5'7 competing at if not misaken 143-147... same thing same skin same proportions,, alwys 6% on stage look like betwen 5-6 due to skin ,, trust me you were never under 5.5% naturaly
im not hating on you ,, notice it is said with respect because i do believe you like bodybuild and a bodybuilder
this is profesional critiqe
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GH15, what bodyfat % is this?
around 3% ,, dead man walking though,, indeed died..
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Gh did issue a "disclaimer" of sorts...
He's not gonna name everything and everyone that just might be genetically gifted.
BTW, that waist line looks damn good (if you didn't PS the pic) ~ that, my friend is a prime example of bodybuilding "genetics"
Now, did you win that show?
che is from a group of individual who pull what we call ILLSUION THROUGH PICTURES TO THE OUTMOST DEGREE,, meaning! when your girlfriend see him in picture....she will usualy estimate him at 30-35lb more than he is if he is in shape as in 8-10% trust me on that,, i had very good friend like him and trained many of the such ,, in real life though its a diff story they are nto looking as bgi as in pictures EVENTHOUGH,, they look IMPRESSIVE when it come to muscle bellies and bone to muscle ratio,, they pull HUGE illusion ,, it belong on indonisians mainly but also others,, this is a good thing for bodybuild,, but its still illusion ,,
skin tone is highly important to pull illusion like that,, and ofcourse small bones and full round muscle bellies,, he is one of this groups,, this is why i approevd him as natural because the numbers and because i trained many of them ,, again its good for bodybuild and usualy best natural you will find,, soooo if you want real natural numbers look at his....his will be the best you wil find around,, but again! bodyfat in the 6% 5.5...
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GH15 pasha this is my leanest ever,.. plz let me know approximately my BF%.. i am 171 cm and was 66 kg on that day 8) ;D
5.5% dry between 5 and 6% but dry!
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Sorry but no one on getbig is more ripped than me and I reached this level being natty
Maybe 4% on those pic
my friend,, remember they are talking about BODYBUILDERS,, not someone who try to get lower bodyfat no matter what on every fat burner in the book and only care about bodyfat,,this is still! not 4% the combo of the pictures of you i seen is 5-6% with good abdominal defintion but! on the close up you see very well that what you have is mainly veins that come with low water retention when already lean ,, those veins will be there even when you are 5-6% when dry enough,, this is nto! 4% it is low bodyfat very low at the 5-5.5% mark then again there is nothing left to show ...meaning you got deleted as a bodybuilder by getting to fragile ,,
again not insult just the truth
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around 3% ,, dead man walking though,, indeed died..
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Was he taking anything different than anyone else or was it just that took it to more extremes (higher dosages, diuretics, etc.)?
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I hear you...
I really don't know how else to explain it.
As far as the cock diesel... it wasn't happening.. at all ~ and my S.O was pissed. And, no.. regardless of prevalence, I'm not a homo.
In clothes I looked like a twink. Pictures can be very deceiving, no?
hahaahha Cock diesel - looking big and ripped/compliment
What does S.O stand for?
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extreme diuretic usage like any bodybuilders use but only to extreme,, bodybuild count alot of diuretic it is the only way for them to get the water of the testosterona compltely out with out losing the size of muscle ....this is the big secret that is hidden from you ,, yes trenbolona will get you some water out and get you dry and conditioned and low bodyfat...but still the skin will hold water alwasys that diuretic will make dissapear and leave you only with muscle and skin ....this is when bodybuild look very impressie even if bodybuild is 170lb! have you ever seen 170 5'10 fella with muscle and no water between skin and muscle? you will leave the gym pretty fast after he enters because they look killer! and indeed they are killers...they kill themselves lol
but have no mistake ,, bodybuild go to doctors and ask for presicribe diuretics,, yes yes from docs legal with scripts,, they are addicted to diuretic,, steroids and hormone by themselves get you muscular thick conditioned size...but its the diuretic that takes it to the maagzine level my firends....DIURETICS! why do you thikn we have so much problems lol because of trenbolona and testosterona? those are kids play they are jokes we use them like water....the problem is that many of us use diuretics like water! and thats! what the dantas hide from you and all the other disgusting liars
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i gave bad example with the 5'10 170lb ,, this is little too small ,, but 5'10 180-190 on diuretics... shredded peeled,, take a look at leaf bug from this boparding,, and he wasnt even knowing how to do diuretic well or anything well ,, but take him and put in someone who know hormones better and have more experience and you get the picturree,, it make 240lb fellas feel they are small next to them
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5.5% dry between 5 and 6% but dry!
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thx GH15 i expected you would say higher than this so i feel good 8).. i didnt use any supplements and i didnt have enough dieting knowledge so i lost some muscles to be that lean!!..
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che is from a group of individual who pull what we call ILLSUION THROUGH PICTURES TO THE OUTMOST DEGREE,, meaning! when your girlfriend see him in picture....she will usualy estimate him at 30-35lb more than he is if he is in shape as in 8-10% trust me on that,, i had very good friend like him and trained many of the such ,, in real life though its a diff story they are nto looking as bgi as in pictures EVENTHOUGH,, they look IMPRESSIVE when it come to muscle bellies and bone to muscle ratio,, they pull HUGE illusion ,, it belong on indonisians mainly but also others,, this is a good thing for bodybuild,, but its still illusion ,,
QFT
In real life (without a shirt )I look 15-20 lbs bigger ,when I used to compete the other competitors couldn't believe that I only weighed 154lbs, even Tricky Jackson didn't believe it , In boxing the same , many times after kicking someones ass , trainers complained that we cheated in the weigh ins because I was too big ( 125lbs ::).)
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as i said before...take front double bi picture of you and shwo it to a girl that dont know you and never seen you and insted of 150 she will give you 180lb and add the word he is huge to her description ,, its illusion ,, im very femiliar with those cases,, its good for bodybuild and make the true 180lb fella go crazy and frastrated,, but then again ....it can only be stretched to a point and only when natural ,,
for example,,, 180lb natural 5'10 take poloroid pic of him he is 12-15%
then 150 lb fella from your group 5'8 12-15% take picture same place same condition in kamali kitchen
the girl who dont know either look at the picture,, she will most likley say you are huge and the other guy is built,,
it is known phenomenon ,, your group pull MAJOR illusion in pictures
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hahaahha Cock diesel - looking big and ripped/compliment
What does S.O stand for?
Sorry. When you don't have a wife, and you don't want to call your lay a "girlfriend" per se, you just call her a "significant other" ~ but we all know that homos and dikes like to use that term also in attempts to elude, and to be 'politically correct' - hence the "no homo" disclaimer... ;D
Thanks for the kudos mang!
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Sorry. When you don't have a wife, and you don't want to call your lay a "girlfriend" per se, you just call her a "significant other" ~ but we all know that homos and dikes like to use that term also in attempts to elude, and to be 'politically correct' - hence the "no homo" disclaimer... ;D
Thanks for the kudos mang!
Well allright,got it. hahah
never understood why people have to say "no homo" as if being a fagela was a bad thing,really who fucking cares what twisted weirdness goes on when the door is shut and the clothes are off....
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extreme diuretic usage like any bodybuilders use but only to extreme,, bodybuild count alot of diuretic it is the only way for them to get the water of the testosterona compltely out with out losing the size of muscle ....this is the big secret that is hidden from you ,, yes trenbolona will get you some water out and get you dry and conditioned and low bodyfat...but still the skin will hold water alwasys that diuretic will make dissapear and leave you only with muscle and skin ....this is when bodybuild look very impressie even if bodybuild is 170lb! have you ever seen 170 5'10 fella with muscle and no water between skin and muscle? you will leave the gym pretty fast after he enters because they look killer! and indeed they are killers...they kill themselves lol
but have no mistake ,, bodybuild go to doctors and ask for presicribe diuretics,, yes yes from docs legal with scripts,, they are addicted to diuretic,, steroids and hormone by themselves get you muscular thick conditioned size...but its the diuretic that takes it to the maagzine level my firends....DIURETICS! why do you thikn we have so much problems lol because of trenbolona and testosterona? those are kids play they are jokes we use them like water....the problem is that many of us use diuretics like water! and thats! what the dantas hide from you and all the other disgusting liars
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dear god,
can you elaborate on why diuretics can be so dangerous? is it from using them nonstop? over doing it? can they be safely used?
thanks sir
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all of the above,, many fellas just dont know what to do ,, they take the wrong diuretic,, many just scared to use because they hear horror stories about if you have too much fat then diuretic wont do nothing ,,,they dont understand that we talk about 15% and 10% not if you are already 6-7% at those bodyfat diuretic will do alot of things...because most fellas at6-7% are only playing with water weight that make them think! they are 7%
most fellas hear diuretic they think ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lasix...and they use that ,, thats what they know ,, they go straight to loup diuretic lol they stop at nothing,, because they dont know better,, they kill their potassium levels they really dont know their body,,
you got diff kinds of diuretics and you need to know how to apply them ,,
if you want just to play with diuretic then atleast use aldactone and see how you react to it first...do it for a week and see,, it is weak diuretic but many use it to get ready for wedding and look their best...now if you got muscles under your thick skin ....and there is water between the skin and muscle.... ..diuretic will eliminate this water or reduce it to a much much noticable level,,
and...when there is no water between skin and muscle ...guess what? suddenly all the veins you never heard of start surfacing,, suddenly you got veins on lower tummy and abs to some degree,, some dont have veins on abs only little on the lower tummy ,, but you get the idea...you just get the muscle lines all going very clear,,, the skin shrink wraped around the muscle,, and the whore in the sushi bar having the million dollaros shinning look in her eyes staring at you with her mouth full thinking ,," i wish my fat hubby was on business trip ...i would fuck the shit out of you big boy i need some muscle cock"
this is the truth my friend,,
fellas get ill from diuretic because yes they abuse them ,, they see something work and as usual dont know when to stop and try to cut the work of the bodybuilder by being not ready and get same results as before,, you always need to be ready for diuretic ...it doeesnt mean you need to be 4% you canbe 6% it depend on your experience as bodybuild,, hell you can be 7% apply diuretic and suddenly look 5% ...why? because you were damn 5-6% all the time walking around thinking that that layer of puff on you was fat when in reality it was water!
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WHat bodyfat do you recommend to use diuretic such as dyazide, highest and lowest , im around 8-9 right now but feel like im lower but dont know due to water from hormonas. i blew the fuck up on 400 week test prop and some mast here and there from 199 8 percent to 215 same bf.....
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all of the above,, many fellas just dont know what to do ,, they take the wrong diuretic,, many just scared to use because they hear horror stories about if you have too much fat then diuretic wont do nothing ,,,they dont understand that we talk about 15% and 10% not if you are already 6-7% at those bodyfat diuretic will do alot of things...because most fellas at6-7% are only playing with water weight that make them think! they are 7%
most fellas hear diuretic they think ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lasix...and they use that ,, thats what they know ,, they go straight to loup diuretic lol they stop at nothing,, because they dont know better,, they kill their potassium levels they really dont know their body,,
you got diff kinds of diuretics and you need to know how to apply them ,,
if you want just to play with diuretic then atleast use aldactone and see how you react to it first...do it for a week and see,, it is weak diuretic but many use it to get ready for wedding and look their best...now if you got muscles under your thick skin ....and there is water between the skin and muscle.... ..diuretic will eliminate this water or reduce it to a much much noticable level,,
and...when there is no water between skin and muscle ...guess what? suddenly all the veins you never heard of start surfacing,, suddenly you got veins on lower tummy and abs to some degree,, some dont have veins on abs only little on the lower tummy ,, but you get the idea...you just get the muscle lines all going very clear,,, the skin shrink wraped around the muscle,, and the whore in the sushi bar having the million dollaros shinning look in her eyes staring at you with her mouth full thinking ,," i wish my fat hubby was on business trip ...i would fuck the shit out of you big boy i need some muscle cock"
this is the truth my friend,,
fellas get ill from diuretic because yes they abuse them ,, they see something work and as usual dont know when to stop and try to cut the work of the bodybuilder by being not ready and get same results as before,, you always need to be ready for diuretic ...it doeesnt mean you need to be 4% you canbe 6% it depend on your experience as bodybuild,, hell you can be 7% apply diuretic and suddenly look 5% ...why? because you were damn 5-6% all the time walking around thinking that that layer of puff on you was fat when in reality it was water!
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lol
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this is getting into the sub 7% but softer due to water held between skin and muscle,,6.5 to 7%
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most fellas will put you at 8-9% there some may even say 9-10 lol ,, its ofcourse balonie,, this is 6.5-7.5% hard to pin point exactly due to water between skin and muscle but it is in the sub 7% region
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i remember well my waist was 70 cm the period before this contest so on the day of the show i am sure it was even smaller ASSHOLE :-X
did you ever get your abs back Shereif ?
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Here we have the mighty Groink Demonstrating how to maintain 7.5% BF while simultaneously weighing 230 pounds and sporting 19+ .
guns
:D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=390440.0;attach=422067;image)
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did you ever get your abs back Shereif ?
sure man i always have good abs.. not the same level as my great 5.5% BF GH15 approved pics of cource but they are always there :P
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Here we have the mighty Groink Demonstrating how to maintain 7.5% BF while simultaneously weighing 230 pounds and sporting 19+ .
guns
:D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=390440.0;attach=422067;image)
great shape gronk.. i wish you stayed natural but still great shape in all cases..
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great shape gronk.. i wish you stayed natural but still great shape in all cases..
"I wish you stayed natural..." Why? So he could always be limited by his genetics with how far he could push his body?
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What's the lowest % you've seen on a dude, gh15 ? Which current Pro has the lowest % ?
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What's the lowest % you've seen on a dude, gh15 ? Which current Pro has the lowest % ?
Munzer, he's dead.. Prob Dexter in people still alive... thats if you're talking bb'ers atleast. and not Prisoners of war
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gh, you still didnt answer my question about when is good time to introduce diuretic.... what bf level is optimum to start seeing results regarding drying out... 6% maybe?
i think im 9 here? not going to use diuretic anytime soon but i do have dyazide on hand.....
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ynphsj.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/16217aq.jpg)
You're less than 9% and could bring out some water with an AI and diet/drug changes. You look like a guy who's orally a bit more water logged all year round than he could be.
It wouldn't take much to get down to 5-6%. Just an annoying sheath of steroid water. I'm 5-6% and look around 6-7% now that I'd got test in my system again. A day of clean eating brings it right down again.
Bodybuilding is all manipulating drug intake to keep water in the muscle and out from underneath the skin. Diet contributes a bit too. From waking to bed time a lot can change. I try looking just as shredded at bed time as I look in the morning. If not, the next day I mind my diet (only time I really need to watch my diet).
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"I wish you stayed natural..." Why? So he could always be limited by his genetics with how far he could push his body?
no but because he was (if he was honest) natural all his life so i see it was better to continue natural than to start using roids at 46!!.. i am personally against roids unless you are a pro. bb. but if someone to use them it's better to do it when he is young to see his best possible limits..
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You're less than 9% and could bring out some water with an AI and diet/drug changes. You look like a guy who's orally a bit more water logged all year round than he could be.
It wouldn't take much to get down to 5-6%. Just an annoying sheath of steroid water. I'm 5-6% and look around 6-7% now that I'd got test in my system again. A day of clean eating brings it right down again.
Bodybuilding is all manipulating drug intake to keep water in the muscle and out from underneath the skin. Diet contributes a bit too. From waking to bed time a lot can change. I try looking just as shredded at bed time as I look in the morning. If not, the next day I mind my diet (only time I really need to watch my diet).
Yeah, you're right funny thing is I dont run any orals lol.. that is about two months of 400 week test prop, cut the mast last week as it really wasnt helping enough.. i have some proviron i occasionally run and some aromasin i occasionally pop half a tab a day but i just do it cuz i have it lol... the mast was making me slightly veinier i could say and a little more flat but in terms of drying out it wasnt doing it at the bf im at right now... all legit gh15 approved sources. You're correct about the diet though i think i may need to drop carbs slightly to be honest i do not follow a diet and eat everything i want lol... i was actually taking gh15s advice and eating ice cream for a while before i remembered i wasnt on gh or tren... lol Thanks for your input.
What I am trying to eventually get at is when is proper time to introduce dyazide...
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This is why people get hooked on *die*uretics....
they stay 'sort of' in shape, or even in decent shape, they don't compete, but they walk around everywhere with their shirts of and the veins popping. They get lots of attention (good and bad) and they can't stop taking the shit (on top of everything else)
Bodybuilding is a catch 22, and the word "health" really shouldn't be involved with it anymore. That was all bullshit anyway, even 'back in the day'
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What bodyfat is this GH15?
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo007-2.jpg)
lol who cares you look like a swimmer.
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no but because he was (if he was honest) natural all his life so i see it was better to continue natural than to start using roids at 46!!.. i am personally against roids unless you are a pro. bb. but if someone to use them it's better to do it when he is young to see his best possible limits..
I agree to a point. I wouldn't use if I didn't compete, but remember, there is no turning pro without using roids, so to say only Pro BB should use them is silly because you need them to even attempt to become a pro.
46 isn't a bad age to start if he's being honest. His doseages are low from what I've read and Test in a 40+ y/o can only help.
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LMFAO, you're delusional as fuck if you think your physique compares. The guy literally has 4 times more muscle than you do. Pipe down.
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so how much % bodyfat is this?
my electric bio impedance scale says 15%
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/23u4vfk.jpg)
but my quadriceps look more defined for 15%
(http://oi52.tinypic.com/2rom4g4.jpg)
i read that high cortisol levels cause fat midsection and lean arms and legs, maybe that explains it
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I now this doesn't show jack shit, but its the latest photo I've got. Could you give me a ballpark estimate of bf?
(http://www.motion-online.dk/fora/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=47967)
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What's the lowest % you've seen on a dude, gh15 ? Which current Pro has the lowest % ?
all same,, 4-5% bodyfat now day ,,the 3.5 is more of a 90s phenomenon and at times dex on a good day ,, most today are 4-5% hold fat within muscle too,,
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gh, you still didnt answer my question about when is good time to introduce diuretic.... what bf level is optimum to start seeing results regarding drying out... 6% maybe?
i think im 9 here? not going to use diuretic anytime soon but i do have dyazide on hand.....
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ynphsj.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/16217aq.jpg)
this is too early for diuretic ,, this is not only water and little fat,, this is low doubles,,need to get to high singles to even consider diureic for enhancing muscle
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You're less than 9% and could bring out some water with an AI and diet/drug changes. You look like a guy who's orally a bit more water logged all year round than he could be.
It wouldn't take much to get down to 5-6%. Just an annoying sheath of steroid water. I'm 5-6% and look around 6-7% now that I'd got test in my system again. A day of clean eating brings it right down again.
Bodybuilding is all manipulating drug intake to keep water in the muscle and out from underneath the skin. Diet contributes a bit too. From waking to bed time a lot can change. I try looking just as shredded at bed time as I look in the morning. If not, the next day I mind my diet (only time I really need to watch my diet).
he is at 10-11% low doubles,, not 9,, he is not high bodyfat and not mid doubles ,, but he is still not into the 8% zone,,
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This is why people get hooked on *die*uretics....
they stay 'sort of' in shape, or even in decent shape, they don't compete, but they walk around everywhere with their shirts of and the veins popping. They get lots of attention (good and bad) and they can't stop taking the shit (on top of everything else)
Bodybuilding is a catch 22, and the word "health" really shouldn't be involved with it anymore. That was all bullshit anyway, even 'back in the day'
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the diff between a fella on hormones that walk around feeling liek god....and indeed many look like gods..and a fella on hormones and diuretic...is night and day ,, the fella on hormones and diuretic enter a room and there is SCIELENCE,, no one talks,, the other fella still look like god but more of common look on many fellas who do bodybuild or athletes...the other fella that is on diuretics....has same muscle but! when its time to lift shirt up....the tunnels show deep and dry ...and you know what it means right??
what it meanssss is that the whore...that whore in the sushi bar or club....is thinking ,, im with genetic freak lol ,, why? because she can see everything nothing but skin and muscle my friends lol it gives the multiple orgazm illusion to a female,, the fella on diuretic is not bigger...he is just detailed and dryyyy,,
dry fellas always always always are more attracted to female because they make her think of herself as feminine no matter how toned she is ...dry fellas present musculinity to the naked eye,,
there is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING THAT SURPASS A SCULPTED HARD AND! DRY PHYSIQE! ,, WHEN YOU ARE DRY AND DEVELOPED IT GIVE THE ILLUISON YOU MAKE MONEY OFF YOUR BODY EVEN IF YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS HALF ASS...
bodybuilding = illusion !
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I agree to a point. I wouldn't use if I didn't compete, but remember, there is no turning pro without using roids, so to say only Pro BB should use them is silly because you need them to even attempt to become a pro.
46 isn't a bad age to start if he's being honest. His doseages are low from what I've read and Test in a 40+ y/o can only help.
he is not honest about the drug usage,, lots of hormones for many years,, but! he does have the body to show for it ...
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so how much % bodyfat is this?
my electric bio impedance scale says 15%
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/23u4vfk.jpg)
but my quadriceps look more defined for 15%
(http://oi52.tinypic.com/2rom4g4.jpg)
i read that high cortisol levels cause fat midsection and lean arms and legs, maybe that explains it
you are 6-7% and veiny,,also pretty dry
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I now this doesn't show jack shit, but its the latest photo I've got. Could you give me a ballpark estimate of bf?
(http://www.motion-online.dk/fora/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=47967)
cant ,, all i see is x
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God, what do you look at when you give a body fat estimate? What things should I look for in the mirror to differentiate between fat and water, and to know what % I'm at?
Thanks.
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Dear god almighty,
Is there a way to be similarly dry without diuretics? Or to come sort of close? Like 2 gals of water for a couple days then none? While being very low bodyfat of course. I want total silence. I got partial silence.
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cant ,, all i see is x
Sorry about that, how about now?
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God, what do you look at when you give a body fat estimate? What things should I look for in the mirror to differentiate between fat and water, and to know what % I'm at?
Thanks.
over all density ,, how sculpted are delts and pecs as in wether sit on bone and isolated or not...abdominal structure both the abdominal and more importantly sides of it ,, both side of abdominals as in obliqe seratus ,, and ofcourse lower back ,,
combo of muscularity ,, density ,, hardness and dryiness,, each get its own grading then combination of all give over all % which is estimated but usualy within very close range,, whatever caliper gives you reduce 3-5 % and this is what you are if you are bodybuild,, lets say caliper put you are 12%? you are actualy 8% lets say calipers put you are 15 % ...you are actualy 10% ,, lets say calipers mesure you are 10-11% ...your most likley sitting aT 6-7%,,they dont mesure for density and for muscular development stages,, so....3-5% under what calipers give you over all
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Dear god almighty,
Is there a way to be similarly dry without diuretics? Or to come sort of close? Like 2 gals of water for a couple days then none? While being very low bodyfat of course. I want total silence. I got partial silence.
nah,, those thing work only if you are very low bodyfat and play with nutirion but not to the degree you want,, you can do what most do and it is trenbolona ace,, it dry and harden the shit out of you ,, always put you into bodybuild 3 dimentional mode within days,, just wrap the skin around the muscle real well when on trenbolona...if still wet you can add masterona which both can do the job quite well with out diuretic but ...you will still look 6% 5-6% not 4%,,for 4% you need diuretic for this had tunneled dry look that you see when there is space between abs and skin sucked in ,,you know that look ,,the look when the whore want ot eat you alive and fellas get intimidated and make it look like your 200lb is atleast 290lb ....that look is only achieved by diuertic usage,,
the excuse of a liar bodybuild will be that he doesnt skin a meal ,, ofcourse it is balonie,, what he doesnt skip is his prescribed diuretic given either by doc or by black market
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Sorry about that, how about now?
cant tell i cant see abdominals,, over all the level presented is of a 8-9% yet its hard to tell because i cant see abdominal wall obliqes and lower back ,, it can be 10-11% and it can be 8%
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I agree to a point. I wouldn't use if I didn't compete, but remember, there is no turning pro without using roids, so to say only Pro BB should use them is silly because you need them to even attempt to become a pro.
46 isn't a bad age to start if he's being honest. His doseages are low from what I've read and Test in a 40+ y/o can only help.
yes i meant if you have a goal to be a pro. or even to be an international amateur champion!!.. but if you train for your health and to be in a good shape there is no point to use roids.. if you use them you won't be yourself!!..
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(http://images46.fotosik.pl/1023/d509ee9c3e42c98d.jpg)
And me? I estimate myself at 15%. I have shitload of fat on lower abdominals which I find hard to remove. Gh15 is there any way I could remove lower ab fat apart from diet and so on?
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Is it possible to get to competition condition in 10 weeks?
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(http://images46.fotosik.pl/1023/d509ee9c3e42c98d.jpg)
And me? I estimate myself at 15%. I have shitload of fat on lower abdominals which I find hard to remove. Gh15 is there any way I could remove lower ab fat apart from diet and so on?
you estimate right ,, this is 14-15%,,this is what it look like not that fella they put here 3 days ago joe something that is lol close to 7-8% and someone said he was 14!! lol fuckin nutzos lol
and yes you can reduce fat down to 12-13% naturaly but you can also go on the right hormones and be 10% in a record time while keeping all size and actualy growing since your muscle diameter will remain pretty much the same or very close to it whiel losing bunch load of bodyfat to the 9-10%
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Unfortunately i tend to store a lot fat at the sides of lower back, so i would think closer to 12-13.
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Is it possible to get to competition condition in 10 weeks?
for you? yes even 8 weeks,, for others,, 12 weeks 12 weeks is good for prep ,,ofcoruse if someone start 15% its more of a problem and need more time but when start at high singles 10-12 weeks is all you need
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Unfortunately i tend to store a lot fat at the sides of lower back, so i would think closer to 12-13.
you gott to be shitting me,, 12%?? this is 8% right there ,, whats wrong with you fellas??? this is 8% holding some water...and ofcourse 8% bodyfat lol
12-13%?? who tell you this balonie??
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you gott to be shitting me,, 12%?? this is 8% right there ,, whats wrong with you fellas??? this is 8% holding some water...and ofcourse 8% bodyfat lol
12-13%?? who tell you this balonie??
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I kid you not, my waist is so fucking small by nature, that you cant tell how much fat is stored at my lower back. I should post a pic where i grab a big handfull.
But hey, who am I to argue with god of hormones :)
I Never really seem to be able to go any lower than this without sacrificing to much muscle- I start to look at the scale and then up my kcal intake.
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you hold estrogen and water,, yes you got fat on you but it is 8% zone,,felals store fat diffrently ,, no 12% has abdominals like you and obliqes like that and over all muscle sculpture like this,, yes you are not very dry or super hard....but you are sitting on thre 8% zone ,,now whee is your 8% stored? in the lower bacl....and probably legs,, and all over,, but that thing on your arms you confuse for fat...that doesnt let you look cut only toned....is ESTROGEN WATER WEIGHT,,nothing to do with fat
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you hold estrogen and water,, yes you got fat on you but it is 8% zone,,felals store fat diffrently ,, no 12% has abdominals like you and obliqes like that and over all muscle sculpture like this,, yes you are not very dry or super hard....but you are sitting on thre 8% zone ,,now whee is your 8% stored? in the lower bacl....and probably legs,, and all over,, but that thing on your arms you confuse for fat...that doesnt let you look cut only toned....is ESTROGEN WATER WEIGHT,,nothing to do with fat
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Estrogen? Could you elaborate on that please?
Everytime i diet any further than this, I feel like I start loosing to much mass and when I look at the scale I feel bad and up my cal intake again.
Should I once and for all try to get to 6'ish? I'm 6 feet tall and I believe I would have to get to 150lbs to get to 6% And I would feel awfull at that weight!
Edit: Of course I know what estrogen is, but I mean Im natural, can my body 'retain' (or what its called) estrogen when I dont take roids?
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Interesting thread. Ive always wondered what my bodyfat % was at times during my career. GH15 can you tell me what my bf is in these pics?
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/True2006/Ripped3.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/True2006/Ripped.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/True2006/FrontDoubleBiceps-2.jpg)
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A picture of you after years of drug usage (assuming its really you)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/IMG_0468.jpg)
versus a lifetime natural
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo007-2.jpg)
I shudder to think what this comparison would look like if you were off of the drugs...
lol @ 'simply stooge'.
listen, bonerack, on or off drugs i'd bury your MASSIVE 150 pounds frame, sunshine.
you sound so PROUD to be natural. ahahahahaha there are female figure competitors who hold more muscle than you.
nobody cares how natural you are, except for you. its the crutch every natural uses to make themselves feel better about looking sub par compared to anyone that uses anabolics. but i get it, you need to validate yourself, cause your 'physique' or lack of certainly doesnt do so.
keep the the dream alive pansy. and change your user name you look like a fucking dildo calling yourself 'simply huge' when your no bigger than the average girl in spin class.
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lol @ 'simply stooge'.
listen, bonerack, on or off drugs i'd bury your MASSIVE 150 pounds frame, sunshine.
you sound so PROUD to be natural. ahahahahaha there are female figure competitors who hold more muscle than you.
nobody cares how natural you are, except for you. its the crutch every natural uses to make themselves feel better about looking sub par compared to anyone that uses anabolics. but i get it, you need to validate yourself, cause your 'physique' or lack of certainly doesnt do so.
keep the the dream alive pansy. and change your user name you look like a fucking dildo calling yourself 'simply huge' when your no bigger than the average girl in spin class.
perhaps he can change his name to "Simply huge Forehead" ??
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sure,,
estrogen doesnt come only from using of hormones,, it comes from diff things hapen to human body ,, both males and females to a larger degree,, but be sure about it ...both males and females can have higher level of estreogen ...with female its expected with males...it depends on ,,level of stress,, and ofcourse on ethnicity ,, and ofcourse on type of food etc,,
over all ,, fellas with higher level of stress tend to hold more estrogen ,, good example for etnicity nationality with higher level of estrogen is jews,,they are more stressed fellas thus produce more cortisol thus hodl more estrogen usualy midsection and lower back ,, this give them ofcourse the ability to be stronger....but thats for another day ,, same for italians they hoold bunch load of estrogen due to stress levels if not on hormones ,, it usualy go like this...the more you use your brain the more stressed you will be the more cortisol you will put out the more estrogen you will hold,, jews hold the title,, italians are right there with them ...others too,,
take for exampel jamaica fellas,, african fellas russian fellas,,forget about it ! they just have no stress ,, brain doesnt care,, you can put jamaica boy where ever you want he wont get stressed ,, it is just how it is ,, his brain wont realse the comand to produce more cortisol it wont ,, stress wont fase those type of fellas,, it also hae to do a lot with how you grew up what surrouding parents and type of country ,, but! in general genetic will determine this level of estrogen ,, it can be changed whiel on hormone...look at ron heris he is a jew but he is on so omuch drugs that he produce less estrogen due to them ,, still with out hormones he would look like bigger pooper than what he is on them but the softness and estrogen level in his body would SKY ROCKET ,,whiel jamaica boy wont change lol he will sit at 170-180 and wont change will remain built and sub hard with some definition ,,his body wont produce more estrogen ...ofcourse in his case it will due to him being on hormones and then go off but im talking if he was true natural ...
hopefully oyu get what im saying,,
any jew for example ,, is HIGHLY STRESSED INDIVIDUAL ,, this is one thing every jew knows ,, they are born with stress ,, they know they are super smart and can put most in their left pocket...see flinston ...his words can always put him out of bad balonie beause his brain is mr o ...get what im saying here? same for that special ed fella that used to post here in the past,, his brain is sharp ...jew brain ,, but!! the stress levels are enormous ,, ask yaron avidan ...he look like camn person ,, he is ,, but if you know how jewish are you will know that the stress levels are very high between close doors when you actualy know the fellas,,
this is just how it is and it will determine estrogen in the body when natural ,, ofcourse chemical warfare change everything...
see mr palumbo
this is sealed bible index,,
gh15 approved
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Interesting thread. Ive always wondered what my bodyfat % was at times during my career. GH15 can you tell me what my bf is in these pics?
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/True2006/Ripped3.jpg)
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yes ,,
this is 6% with skin thickness that is not as thin as it could be due to many factors,, but this is 6%,,not 7 not 7.5 not 5...
this is what 6% conditioned look like
gh15 approved
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perhaps he can change his name to "Simply huge Forehead" ??
but like you no one has droopy chest!!..
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yes ,,
this is 6% with skin thickness that is not as thin as it could be due to many factors,, but this is 6%,,not 7 not 7.5 not 5...
this is what 6% conditioned look like
gh15 approved
Damn! :D Thanks alot, Allmighty! Had no idea I was so lean back at that time considering Im a natty. Phuh, this will be a tough one to beat, lol! Motivated me as hell though.
Thanks again, champ! :)
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this is too early for diuretic ,, this is not only water and little fat,, this is low doubles,,need to get to high singles to even consider diureic for enhancing muscle
gh15 approved
damn thats beat lol, i was Lower BF before i started hormonas lol, you put me at 8-9 naturally... maybe im just water logged like a guy, im not flexing abs in either of those pics except in the second one just diff posture sucking in a bit.... i need hormona help! tell me how to run the rest of this test prop, mast and bronkaid i have to get leannneerr
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perhaps he can change his name to "Simply huge Forehead" ??
LOL!
:D
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Sad that you would take sides with a grade-A loser like 'no one', Groink.
I'd say the person "on drugs" is the one needing validation. Your physique is unimpressive in my opinion. All drugs and nothing to show for it. If you think you "out-muscle" me, then feel free to throw up some more pics and I will post pics of me in the same poses.
sorry, nancy. but I take steroids for myself not for anyone elses approval, unlike yourself who sees fit to spam the board with his sub par physique in the hopes someone, anyone will notice him and give him attention.
see cupcake, when your big, you dont need validation. attention is constantly there and unwanted for the most part. but I can see you needing all the attention you get.
and give your fucking head a shake- 'let's go pose for pose' LOL! listen, HUGE if you stood beside me you'd look like 12 years old.
Christ you look like tobey maguire with aids ffs
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Gh15 blast about the Jew mindset and mentality is 100% correct.
100%.
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sure,,
estrogen doesnt come only from using of hormones,, it comes from diff things hapen to human body ,, both males and females to a larger degree,, but be sure about it ...both males and females can have higher level of estreogen ...with female its expected with males...it depends on ,,level of stress,, and ofcourse on ethnicity ,, and ofcourse on type of food etc,,
over all ,, fellas with higher level of stress tend to hold more estrogen ,, good example for etnicity nationality with higher level of estrogen is jews,,they are more stressed fellas thus produce more cortisol thus hodl more estrogen usualy midsection and lower back ,, this give them ofcourse the ability to be stronger....but thats for another day ,, same for italians they hoold bunch load of estrogen due to stress levels if not on hormones ,, it usualy go like this...the more you use your brain the more stressed you will be the more cortisol you will put out the more estrogen you will hold,, jews hold the title,, italians are right there with them ...others too,,
take for exampel jamaica fellas,, african fellas russian fellas,,forget about it ! they just have no stress ,, brain doesnt care,, you can put jamaica boy where ever you want he wont get stressed ,, it is just how it is ,, his brain wont realse the comand to produce more cortisol it wont ,, stress wont fase those type of fellas,, it also hae to do a lot with how you grew up what surrouding parents and type of country ,, but! in general genetic will determine this level of estrogen ,, it can be changed whiel on hormone...look at ron heris he is a jew but he is on so omuch drugs that he produce less estrogen due to them ,, still with out hormones he would look like bigger pooper than what he is on them but the softness and estrogen level in his body would SKY ROCKET ,,whiel jamaica boy wont change lol he will sit at 170-180 and wont change will remain built and sub hard with some definition ,,his body wont produce more estrogen ...ofcourse in his case it will due to him being on hormones and then go off but im talking if he was true natural ...
hopefully oyu get what im saying,,
any jew for example ,, is HIGHLY STRESSED INDIVIDUAL ,, this is one thing every jew knows ,, they are born with stress ,, they know they are super smart and can put most in their left pocket...see flinston ...his words can always put him out of bad balonie beause his brain is mr o ...get what im saying here? same for that special ed fella that used to post here in the past,, his brain is sharp ...jew brain ,, but!! the stress levels are enormous ,, ask yaron avidan ...he look like camn person ,, he is ,, but if you know how jewish are you will know that the stress levels are very high between close doors when you actualy know the fellas,,
this is just how it is and it will determine estrogen in the body when natural ,, ofcourse chemical warfare change everything...
see mr palumbo
this is sealed bible index,,
gh15 approved
Gh15, are you telling us that to become a good bodybuilder we need to be dumber :D
Just kidding ;D
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::)
You take drugs because you feel inadequate. Period.
about what? please enlighten us.
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by the way gimpy stooge, do you realize how much of a pansy your posts make you sound like?
just curious.
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Gh15, how do you get rid of the water rention from to much estrogen?
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Gh15, how do you get rid of the water rention from to much estrogen?
lol................ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
PLZ tell me this is a joke
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Sad that you would take sides with a grade-A loser like 'no one', Groink.
I'd say the person "on drugs" is the one needing validation. Your physique is unimpressive in my opinion. All drugs and nothing to show for it. If you think you "out-muscle" me, then feel free to throw up some more pics and I will post pics of me in the same poses.
I think you're OK...just fucking around.
This is a place to talk shit, and I have more shit talked about me than any other 5 people combined...so just roll with it dude
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Gh15, are you telling us that to become a good bodybuilder we need to be dumber :D
Just kidding ;D
Jamaican or Africana....
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Ok now I'm trying to figure out what my bodyfat was when I competed a few months ago. I ended up in the top 5 but was 230 on stage. I felt like I could have been much harder at 220 but just wondering what you would say was my bodyfat at this point. If I competed early on this year would it make sense to compete again this year for competitions in 10 to 11 weeks or just go into an offseason and work on weakpoints. I'm about 260 right now but just wondered what my bodyfat was here because I felt like I was about to pass out backstage for sure.
I'd say between bfg, gh15, arnold jr, and everyone else on here there is just so much to learn its ridiculous.
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Ok now I'm trying to figure out what my bodyfat was when I competed a few months ago. I ended up in the top 5 but was 230 on stage. I felt like I could have been much harder at 220 but just wondering what you would say was my bodyfat at this point. If I competed early on this year would it make sense to compete again this year for competitions in 10 to 11 weeks or just go into an offseason and work on weakpoints. I'm about 260 right now but just wondered what my bodyfat was here because I felt like I was about to pass out backstage for sure.
I'd say between bfg, gh15, arnold jr, and everyone else on here there is just so much to learn its ridiculous.
most fellas will put you at 8-9% there some may even say 9-10 lol ,, its ofcourse balonie,, this is 6.5-7.5% hard to pin point exactly due to water between skin and muscle but it is in the sub 7% region
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id say between 5-6 and you could prob b drier.
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I'd agree that I had some more bodyfat to lose but am just trying to figure out if I was 230 at that bodyfat what weight would I need to be to hit 4% really...
I guess I wouldn't really know until I reached that point but still.
I'm trying to figure out what went wrong because I had a photoshoot 3 weeks before and looked much drier then I did at the show. I was doing chicken and sweet potatoes with fish and potatoes before the shoot but changed to normal bodybuilder food and looked like I did on stage. How does that happen? Was my bodyfat lower or did the change in diet just make me hold water?
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very impressive physique dogma, you doing nats qualifiers?
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I'd agree that I had some more bodyfat to lose but am just trying to figure out if I was 230 at that bodyfat what weight would I need to be to hit 4% really...
I guess I wouldn't really know until I reached that point but still.
I'm trying to figure out what went wrong because I had a photoshoot 3 weeks before and looked much drier then I did at the show. I was doing chicken and sweet potatoes with fish and potatoes before the shoot but changed to normal bodybuilder food and looked like I did on stage. How does that happen? Was my bodyfat lower or did the change in diet just make me hold water?
correct you looked drier and better in the photoshot,,write down the hormone intake including diuretic before show plus diet ,, ill go into it later ,, write it thogh,,
gh15 approved
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now with regard to my pupils and the question abotu water and bodyfat ,, the next video show you what physie with no water look like ,, minimal water,,it is importan to understand the confusion betwen water and fat ,, some fellas are walking around 5-6% and dont even know it because some morons say to them they are 10% ,, do not listen to gymnasium guru ,, do not listen to them they in most cases dont knwo what they talking about and work out of frastration or with the idea of you hiring them ,,
here is the video ...
this is what physiqe with water taken out due to diuretic look like ,, it is both diet and diuretic
again this is to sagi,, he read this boarding ,, i take you as example because it is best suited for abdominal and my main concern with those kidos is to make them bodybuild,, so im sure its fine with you,,plus its yaron avidan boarding and its a brother in blood
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now after you watched this pupils,, notice when i say obliqe and seratus sides,, look in his sides both sides,, if you have it! if you have this on you not as dry but have it on you when doing the same,,THEN YOU HOLD MOSTLY WATER AND LOW BODYFAT!,, then diuretic will help tremendesly ,, you can still do it with out it will just take long time to get to be dry and wont be to the level of diuretic ever!
now the next one is when same bodybuild is gaining water on him due to hormonizing in higher dose and operating into a growing retaining size phase inorder to keep all musle and keep developing it and maturing it ,, this is what bodybuild with low bodyfat still in the 6-7%!! with sagi it is alwys 6% maximum,, so he is ther estill 6% only holding bulk water from within the muscle and outside the muscle to some degree but again its not high retention it is moderate to low between skin and muscle
the main diff as you will notice is the face! form team lean face it become team maniac sob bad boy face and this is due to water retention in the face while being lean !
again do not i cant ask you this more nicely ,, do not put this on other boardings,, they all come here to read the bible i dont want it on there if i wanted it there i would be there as gh15 and make good money on this,, leave it here plese
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for 4% you need diuretic for this had tunneled dry look that you see when there is space between abs and skin sucked in ,,
how was nubret getting to this level of dryness?
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Its funny reading GH15s readings and what the common readings from joe public are at bb.com, joe publics 10% is gh15s 6%, I saw that Xerxes guy melting down there the other day when they all said he was around 14%, GH15 do you agree with them? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137426033
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Its funny reading GH15s readings and what the common readings from joe public are at bb.com, joe publics 10% is gh15s 6%, I saw that Xerxes guy melting down there the other day when they all said he was around 14%, GH15 do you agree with them? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137426033
that thread is like reading a bunch of 15yr olds texting to each other
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Its funny reading GH15s readings and what the common readings from joe public are at bb.com, joe publics 10% is gh15s 6%, I saw that Xerxes guy melting down there the other day when they all said he was around 14%, GH15 do you agree with them? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137426033
haha oh brother, this is akin to Vito of the Sopranos being caught in the gay bar.
You've embarrassed the family, Xerxes. Expect a boat ride very, very soon.
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Sorry but no one on getbig is more ripped than me and I reached this level being natty
how many % ?
Befor :
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BulkinG:
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& OFF
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khofo you look like shit and stop posting your pictures.
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Ignore him its not worth the typing time we know how bad h looks. Gh15 this and the duretics posts are the best most informative posts I've read in years on here. Thankyou.
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log off, open an account on bbing.com, and stay there
what a waste of hormones
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See if you can get your arms up higher on the side chest..... you'll look identical to a pigeon.
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Khofo - congratulations.
You've managed to ruin an informative and interesting thread with your absolutely disgusting physique, not once but multiple times.
Once again, well done.
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correct you looked drier and better in the photoshot,,write down the hormone intake including diuretic before show plus diet ,, ill go into it later ,, write it thogh,,
gh15 approved
I remember I was doing 150 tren,100 mast, 100 prop a day, 100 var a day, 2 proviron, 2.5 letro, 5 iu gh (These doses for these are all per day) Before the photoshoot, all I ate were fish and sweet potatoes and used 1 dyazide right before the shoot but kept drinking water throughout the day until about 2 pm and the shoot was at 3 pm. I started cramping before the shoot and just had a spoon of salt and that got rid of the cramping.
Before the contest, it was the same dosages but I took the gh out 3 weeks before the contest as I was told it would hold water. I had left it in for the photoshoot though. My diet before the contest was the following...
MEAL 1: 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 2: 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 3 8OZ tilapia, brocolli
MEAL 4 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 5 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 6 8OZ lean beef, spinach
MEAL 7 8OZ lean beef, brocolli
I qualified for nationals but at this point I don't think I'd be ready to do it in 10 weeks or 11 weeks plus I think I'd have some work to do at this point to win nationals honestly. I'm still trying to figure out if it was a matter of not doing enough cardio to lose that last little bit of bodyfat too because I felt like I ended up not being stage ready changing the diet like I did from chicken and fish with sweet potatoes to protein and no carbs except vegetables.
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most fellas will put you at 8-9% there some may even say 9-10 lol ,, its ofcourse balonie,, this is 6.5-7.5% hard to pin point exactly due to water between skin and muscle but it is in the sub 7% region
gh15 approved
lol
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I remember I was doing 150 tren,100 mast, 100 prop a day, 100 var a day, 2 proviron, 2.5 letro, 5 iu gh (These doses for these are all per day) Before the photoshoot, all I ate were fish and sweet potatoes and used 1 dyazide right before the shoot but kept drinking water throughout the day until about 2 pm and the shoot was at 3 pm. I started cramping before the shoot and just had a spoon of salt and that got rid of the cramping.
Before the contest, it was the same dosages but I took the gh out 3 weeks before the contest as I was told it would hold water. I had left it in for the photoshoot though. My diet before the contest was the following...
MEAL 1: 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 2: 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 3 8OZ tilapia, brocolli
MEAL 4 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 5 8OZ chicken, asparagus
MEAL 6 8OZ lean beef, spinach
MEAL 7 8OZ lean beef, brocolli
I qualified for nationals but at this point I don't think I'd be ready to do it in 10 weeks or 11 weeks plus I think I'd have some work to do at this point to win nationals honestly. I'm still trying to figure out if it was a matter of not doing enough cardio to lose that last little bit of bodyfat too because I felt like I ended up not being stage ready changing the diet like I did from chicken and fish with sweet potatoes to protein and no carbs except vegetables.
looks like a though diet.....for how many weeks you were eating like this?
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3 to 4 weeks before the comp but I cant figure out why i'd take out gh and start eating like this (with no carbs) and I'd look softer. The photo shoot was about 5 weeks before the contest.
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3 to 4 weeks before the comp but I cant figure out why i'd take out gh and start eating like this (with no carbs) and I'd look softer. The photo shoot was about 5 weeks before the contest.
Because you need your carbs , carb up every 4th day.
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guess it was lesson learned for me but it was a hard lesson for sure :-\
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what a waste of hormones
Drugs are just the finishing touch
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Sorry for the shitty cell phone pic, but I took this in my gym locker room last night. Weighing 250 here. gh15 any guess on the bf % here? I can post my cycle and other info if you need it too. I'm off season here...
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Regarding diet... why don't you guys just learn to cook. Get some ground beef, get some chicken breas with skin on and bone in, this can be found in any chinese grocery store which btw are where you shop when you want food on the cheap in NYC. You take the skin off and bone off the chicken, you cut celery carrot and onion and you put this on a slight simmer with the parts of chicken for 1 hour, you now have stock. Dont out any salt or peper in stock or else you wont get the natural sodium out of the chicken bits.
Stuff the beef into bell peppers or hollowed tomotoes or cabbage leaves, cook this with some sauteed veggies in half the chicen stock, the stock will give it flavor and richness.
Take the other half of the stock put 1 can of coconut milk into it with some garlic, cut the chicken breast into strips and cook it in the stock, add fish sauce and green thai curry in it if you are into authentic thai food, squeeze lime into it after it's done regardless, you now have two very nutritious and protein rich dishes.
Btw the original thai dish is not made with chciken stock, this improves the quality of the chicken in the finished dish but in thai cooking the protein is often overcooked and dry on purpose, I dunno why the don't fucking make stock, anyways there you go you;re welcome.
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If you were to go back through different threads over the past year, you post a comment after almost every picture I post. You are indeed my #1 fan. I can count on a response from you like clockwork. How do you explain this obsession of yours? Is it jealousy?
BTW, there are 40 page threads with you defending yourself/attacking adonis and others. I would say you come across as a drama queen who lives most of his life on a getbig forum instead of in the real world.
thanks for proving my point about sounding like a pansy, Nancy
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holy shit both of you shut the fuck up... no one you have a really good physique like u said could b bigger but u are muslce and bone... simply huge u look good for a natural but its nothing to write home about, ur arms however do stand out for being decently sized but the rest of ur body looks like a typical basketball player physique.... no1 cares that u dont use drugs.
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Sorry for the shitty cell phone pic, but I took this in my gym locker room last night. Weighing 250 here. gh15 any guess on the bf % here? I can post my cycle and other info if you need it too. I'm off season here...
lol "offseason" your like 2 weeks from hitting the stage...
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Regarding diet... why don't you guys just learn to cook. Get some ground beef, get some chicken breas with skin on and bone in, this can be found in any chinese grocery store which btw are where you shop when you want food on the cheap in NYC. You take the skin off and bone off the chicken, you cut celery carrot and onion and you put this on a slight simmer with the parts of chicken for 1 hour, you now have stock. Dont out any salt or peper in stock or else you wont get the natural sodium out of the chicken bits.
Stuff the beef into bell peppers or hollowed tomotoes or cabbage leaves, cook this with some sauteed veggies in half the chicen stock, the stock will give it flavor and richness.
Take the other half of the stock put 1 can of coconut milk into it with some garlic, cut the chicken breast into strips and cook it in the stock, add fish sauce and green thai curry in it if you are into authentic thai food, squeeze lime into it after it's done regardless, you now have two very nutritious and protein rich dishes.
Btw the original thai dish is not made with chciken stock, this improves the quality of the chicken in the finished dish but in thai cooking the protein is often overcooked and dry on purpose, I dunno why the don't fucking make stock, anyways there you go you;re welcome.
This sounds delicious. More recipes please!
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Sorry for the shitty cell phone pic, but I took this in my gym locker room last night. Weighing 250 here. gh15 any guess on the bf % here? I can post my cycle and other info if you need it too. I'm off season here...
POST UR CYCLE.
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thanks for proving mine. you stalk me like a jealous tool.
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
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pansy.
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This sounds delicious. More recipes please!
I forgot to mention try to get ur hands on some thai chilis, if not habanera will do but use a little, it's very hot when cooked in a stew or soup.
Another recipe... get a chicken cover it in satl and pepper, and I mean get salt in between the skin and breast, and put it in oven for 45 minutes at 450 for a 3 pound chicken, add minutes to cooking time for bigger chickens. A chicken is 5-7 dollars btw and it's two meals in one, fuckign cheap.
Go to a butcher and ask him for bones of veal or beef, it should be cheap, put it in water with celery onion and carrot, all thickly cut, the hard end of esperagus is also good for this, bring it a boil in a pot with a lid that can go in the oven. Set the oven on 200, when it boils trasnfer it to the oven and leave it there all day or all night or both. You now have priceless stock, stock made from bones is fucking amazing, you have the base for a hundred different recipes now, here's one you wont find easily for a central asian dish called ploff.
Put some veggie oil in a pot make it hot ho thot, throw in the beef cut into cubes, or lamb whatever is cheaper because remember you have stock, this makes everything delicious, let the protein brown in there, get a bowl of white rice and wash it twice, this will get some of the startch out so that the rice dont stick together, cut up carrot (yellow carrot if u can find it) and put it rhough a grader, maybe have as much as the rice, set rice and carrot aside. When the beef is nice and brown throw in the onions and when they are soft and translucent, put some of the stock and some water, twice as much as the rice, let it cook for 30 minutes, throw in a handful of salt, pepper, and most importantly cumin seeds, not ground cumin but whole, let it cook for 30 minutes. Throw in the rice and carrot mix it up and cover it. This is a dish much of the soviet union grew up on.
In terms of eating well on the cheap, buy whole chickens and save parts like fat chunks and skin and bone in the freezer for stock, buy shit cuts of beef cut off the fat and save it for stock and marinate the meet to make it tender, make things such as beef stews, but remember stock is the most important thing in terms of cooking on the cheap. If you wanna eat good steak... forget about hormones lol, unless ur well off then it's either good ingredients or bodybuilding, very hard to afford both lol
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I'd like to announce that me and lesaucer are the founders of "TEAM LEAN FACE"
thank you for your cooperation people ;)
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Its funny reading GH15s readings and what the common readings from joe public are at bb.com, joe publics 10% is gh15s 6%, I saw that Xerxes guy melting down there the other day when they all said he was around 14%, GH15 do you agree with them? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137426033
I thought I was quite mature in that thread. A little leaner now. Posting from the hotel here in Malaga, Spain. Life is good.
Noc I know you love.
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Sorry for the shitty cell phone pic, but I took this in my gym locker room last night. Weighing 250 here. gh15 any guess on the bf % here? I can post my cycle and other info if you need it too. I'm off season here...
8% ,,most likley 7% but in picture look 8%
gh15 approved
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gh15 now im curious..if i were to start cycling what would be the ideal combo of drugs for someone with my body type? with my goal in mind to stay lean and gain 15-20 pounds
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sure,,
estrogen doesnt come only from using of hormones,, it comes from diff things hapen to human body ,, both males and females to a larger degree,, but be sure about it ...both males and females can have higher level of estreogen ...with female its expected with males...it depends on ,,level of stress,, and ofcourse on ethnicity ,, and ofcourse on type of food etc,,
over all ,, fellas with higher level of stress tend to hold more estrogen ,, good example for etnicity nationality with higher level of estrogen is jews,,they are more stressed fellas thus produce more cortisol thus hodl more estrogen usualy midsection and lower back ,, this give them ofcourse the ability to be stronger....but thats for another day ,, same for italians they hoold bunch load of estrogen due to stress levels if not on hormones ,, it usualy go like this...the more you use your brain the more stressed you will be the more cortisol you will put out the more estrogen you will hold,, jews hold the title,, italians are right there with them ...others too,,
take for exampel jamaica fellas,, african fellas russian fellas,,forget about it ! they just have no stress ,, brain doesnt care,, you can put jamaica boy where ever you want he wont get stressed ,, it is just how it is ,, his brain wont realse the comand to produce more cortisol it wont ,, stress wont fase those type of fellas,, it also hae to do a lot with how you grew up what surrouding parents and type of country ,, but! in general genetic will determine this level of estrogen ,, it can be changed whiel on hormone...look at ron heris he is a jew but he is on so omuch drugs that he produce less estrogen due to them ,, still with out hormones he would look like bigger pooper than what he is on them but the softness and estrogen level in his body would SKY ROCKET ,,whiel jamaica boy wont change lol he will sit at 170-180 and wont change will remain built and sub hard with some definition ,,his body wont produce more estrogen ...ofcourse in his case it will due to him being on hormones and then go off but im talking if he was true natural ...
hopefully oyu get what im saying,,
any jew for example ,, is HIGHLY STRESSED INDIVIDUAL ,, this is one thing every jew knows ,, they are born with stress ,, they know they are super smart and can put most in their left pocket...see flinston ...his words can always put him out of bad balonie beause his brain is mr o ...get what im saying here? same for that special ed fella that used to post here in the past,, his brain is sharp ...jew brain ,, but!! the stress levels are enormous ,, ask yaron avidan ...he look like camn person ,, he is ,, but if you know how jewish are you will know that the stress levels are very high between close doors when you actualy know the fellas,,
this is just how it is and it will determine estrogen in the body when natural ,, ofcourse chemical warfare change everything...
see mr palumbo
this is sealed bible index,,
gh15 approved
Wow, just wow!
Well I guess I better learn how to chill or start hormonizing. What are the other side effects of estrogen in a male? And thanks a lot for taking your time to answer so thorougly
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gh15 now im curious..if i were to start cycling what would be the ideal combo of drugs for someone with my body type? with my goal in mind to stay lean and gain 15-20 pounds
PROP & TREN THEN ADD MAST A LITTLE LATER ON.
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GH 15...whats your thoughts on me. Going to be running 1000 test e...200 tren...100 anapolon. I was thinking about adding 10ius insulin also. This would be my first run with insulin. I have never used GH and cannot afford it at the moment.
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cant see nothing too dark of picture,, in general it look like some fat over muscle and this is what 12% would look like,,when its fat it is tend to have the gravity to it if you know whati mean ...while water kind of floating,, hard to explain ,, with you there is mix of both but it is over all from the dark picture....12-13%,, maybe its 10% but ill have to see diff picture in light and flexing ,,the shape is real good and you are tight so it may be bad picture,, from this picture it is 12%
gh15 approved
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Ok will get a better picture.....blackberry camera is not the best haha!
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cant see nothing too dark of picture,, in general it look like some fat over muscle and this is what 12% would look like,,when its fat it is tend to have the gravity to it if you know whati mean ...while water kind of floating,, hard to explain ,, with you there is mix of both but it is over all from the dark picture....12-13%,, maybe its 10% but ill have to see diff picture in light and flexing ,,the shape is real good and you are tight so it may be bad picture,, from this picture it is 12%
gh15 approved
Here is one taken 2 months ago..i have put on 15lbs since then and feel like i have gotten tighter. Here is also a arm shot. Sorry my camera sucks. my height is 5'10...220lbs.
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that look like 11-12% my friend,, low doubles,,you hold water on you and about 11% bodyfat ,,good veins on the arm ,, you will have good veins when go into singles,,
gh15 approved
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by the way ...just so its clear,, most gymnasium guru and masooses...will put you at 15-16% ,, dont pay attention to that they dont know what they talk about they go by tummy,, this is 11-12%
gh15 approved
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Thanks...i really appreciate the response. I don't pay as much attention to my meal plans as i should. To tell you the truth..i eat pizzas and burgers all day. I am going to work on my eating habits...and get under the 10 mark. Thanks again...much respect.
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Gh - What BF% would you declare this? on trenbolona , clen and small dyazide was used.
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2nd pic....
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this is sub 4.5 % between 4 and 4.5% its superb conditioning and yet the fella still! STILL dont have the median line,, sorry need to keep it with gh15 wordings...medican lol,, this fella still doesnt hav the medican line clear,, thats just straight out genetic structure and the way the body is,,
very good condition though ,, 4-4.5% and dry
gh15 approved
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Gh - What BF% would you declare this? on trenbolona , clen and small dyazide was used.
you like clen more than ephedrine? and what does small dyazide mean dude? like one pill a day, wtf...
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GH15, what was fatpanda's bf%? :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397503;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397504;image)
Abs and veins shining through.
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gh15 can you tell about me?! This is my best condition ever.
I am 5,8 ft and 175 lbs.
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Abs and veins shining through.
::) ::) ::) ::)
I never seen such a delusional as him before....ever.
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I never seen such a delusional as him before....ever.
same here.
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you like clen more than ephedrine? and what does small dyazide mean dude? like one pill a day, wtf...
Did not have ephedra source I trusted. ssmall dyazide means 1/4 tabs started at 9pm on friday before saturday show. 1/4 at 9pm.......wake up pee 3am.......then gauge in morning
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sure,,
estrogen doesnt come only from using of hormones,, it comes from diff things hapen to human body ,, both males and females to a larger degree,, but be sure about it ...both males and females can have higher level of estreogen ...with female its expected with males...it depends on ,,level of stress,, and ofcourse on ethnicity ,, and ofcourse on type of food etc,,
over all ,, fellas with higher level of stress tend to hold more estrogen ,, good example for etnicity nationality with higher level of estrogen is jews,,they are more stressed fellas thus produce more cortisol thus hodl more estrogen usualy midsection and lower back ,, this give them ofcourse the ability to be stronger....but thats for another day ,, same for italians they hoold bunch load of estrogen due to stress levels if not on hormones ,, it usualy go like this...the more you use your brain the more stressed you will be the more cortisol you will put out the more estrogen you will hold,, jews hold the title,, italians are right there with them ...others too,,
take for exampel jamaica fellas,, african fellas russian fellas,,forget about it ! they just have no stress ,, brain doesnt care,, you can put jamaica boy where ever you want he wont get stressed ,, it is just how it is ,, his brain wont realse the comand to produce more cortisol it wont ,, stress wont fase those type of fellas,, it also hae to do a lot with how you grew up what surrouding parents and type of country ,, but! in general genetic will determine this level of estrogen ,, it can be changed whiel on hormone...look at ron heris he is a jew but he is on so omuch drugs that he produce less estrogen due to them ,, still with out hormones he would look like bigger pooper than what he is on them but the softness and estrogen level in his body would SKY ROCKET ,,whiel jamaica boy wont change lol he will sit at 170-180 and wont change will remain built and sub hard with some definition ,,his body wont produce more estrogen ...ofcourse in his case it will due to him being on hormones and then go off but im talking if he was true natural ...
hopefully oyu get what im saying,,
any jew for example ,, is HIGHLY STRESSED INDIVIDUAL ,, this is one thing every jew knows ,, they are born with stress ,, they know they are super smart and can put most in their left pocket...see flinston ...his words can always put him out of bad balonie beause his brain is mr o ...get what im saying here? same for that special ed fella that used to post here in the past,, his brain is sharp ...jew brain ,, but!! the stress levels are enormous ,, ask yaron avidan ...he look like camn person ,, he is ,, but if you know how jewish are you will know that the stress levels are very high between close doors when you actualy know the fellas,,
this is just how it is and it will determine estrogen in the body when natural ,, ofcourse chemical warfare change everything...
see mr palumbo
this is sealed bible index,,
gh15 approved
Wow, just wow!
Well I guess I better learn how to chill or start hormonizing. What are the other side effects of estrogen in a male? And thanks a lot for taking your time to answer so thorougly! Is there any way to lover estrogen without hormonizing?
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Mazda that's fucking insane conditioning well done, good size too
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this is sub 4.5 % between 4 and 4.5% its superb conditioning and yet the fella still! STILL dont have the median line,, sorry need to keep it with gh15 wordings...medican lol,, this fella still doesnt hav the medican line clear,, thats just straight out genetic structure and the way the body is,,
very good condition though ,, 4-4.5% and dry
gh15 approved
Master, are you referring to the "linea alba" that runs through the center of the abdomen? Does this manifest the "tunneled out" look? So I am assuming this is genetics and not water/fat....
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I also want to say that regardless of who GH15 is...pro, am, random fella that is gimmick, I could care less because the more I have gotten into this crazy lifestyle/sport whatever......the more my eyes are opening up to REALITY! I tried to pretend "x amount of this + x amount of gh + x amount of slin" wasn't mandatory or widely relied on in the upper tier (let alone local shows) BUT ITS TRUE.
The more I have progressed and met fellow competitors who have "coaches" (drug advisors) I have heard stories that I thought were jokes, or fairy tales.....due to the extreme experimentation etc...
1 guy told me a certain well known GURU had his client not only deplete all BF and water to make weight but brought in the IV and withdrew blood to make weight, then re-infused the blood after weigh-ins with minerals, dextrose aminos etc.... basically blood doping....seriously tweaked me out hearing this.
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master lol, the word is god of hormones, god for short, but he is only god of hormones, he is not God, don't listen to his advice on music or anything else pleas elol
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Mazda that's fucking insane conditioning well done, good size too
Thanks man!!! But i am a little bit small because i am ony 175 lbs. I wear M size at my t-shirts.
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master lol, the word is god of hormones, god for short, but he is only god of hormones, he is not God, don't listen to his advice on music or anything else pleas elol
I know but Master sounded hilarious lol - so many names for the great one.....
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gh15 can you tell about me?! This is my best condition ever.
I am 5,8 ft and 175 lbs.
this is between 5 and 6 pretty damn dry !
gh15 approved
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Master, are you referring to the "linea alba" that runs through the center of the abdomen? Does this manifest the "tunneled out" look? So I am assuming this is genetics and not water/fat....
considering you are shredded peeled ....it is genetic,, you cant do nothing about it you are conditioend to the max,, maybe you can get it little more clear but it shoudnt matter you are best condition on here so....the only way to make this line is by using high doses of hgh and start seperating the physiqe....everything will get spaced out with gh and insulina higher doses
gh15 approved
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Thanks man!!! But i am a little bit small because i am ony 175 lbs. I wear M size at my t-shirts.
who cares what size shirt you wear,, its when you take it off ....thats when gina nina and mini pretend they dont get wet under their bikinis while wearing their sunglasses moving their head from side to side liek stevie wonder pretending they dont stare at your body ,, thats all that counts,,
if you cant see it! its not there!
learn it!
if you cant see it! it = not there
gh15 approved
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Thanks gh15!!! Your opinion is really matter for me.
Teach us whatever you can, and please, please, remove the veil from our eyes and minds about modern bodybuilding.
Thanks again!!!
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Thanks man!!! But i am a little bit small because i am ony 175 lbs. I wear M size at my t-shirts.
You're a humble guy, 175 at 5'8" and your bf level is not small by any means. Actually you can say its "huge, just not stupidly huge" :)
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gh15 can you shed some light for us pupils on how to take it to the next step and get down from 6 to 4% bodyfat, including what kinds of macronutrients and how much cardio, assuming there is no gh in use?
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Abs and veins shining through.
::) ::) ::) ::)
I remember that, he was VERY delusional.
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Thanks gh15!!! Your opinion is really matter for me.
Teach us whatever you can, and please, please, remove the veil from our eyes and minds about modern bodybuilding.
Thanks again!!!
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lol..arent you the guy who kisses bbers asses all the time?
Youre in the "all positive".. "hard work".. "all natural".. "spot on nutrition" and all this misleading crap bandwagon as well...dont come here pretending you "seek" the truth behind modern bbing, jackass.
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Your only going to be able to maintain 4% for literally hours before getting bad side.effects. you can't walk around day to day 4%
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lol..arent you the guy who kisses bbers asses all the time?
Youre in the "all positive".. "hard work".. "all natural".. "spot on nutrition" and all this misleading crap bandwagon as well...dont come here pretending you "seek" the truth behind modern bbing, jackass.
LOL....this guy is about as natural as attaching heavy weights to your penis and stretching it
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During the telecast of the 93' O Jim Quinn reported that in the days leading up to the contest Billy Smith gave Mercury Claiborne a skin caliper test at Golds Gym and he measured 0.0% BF, the lowest reading ever recorded at that time.
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During the telecast of the 93' O Jim Quinn reported that in the days leading up to the contest Billy Smith gave Mercury Claiborne a skin caliper test at Golds Gym and he measured 0.0% BF, the lowest reading ever recorded at that time.
FReakin wow. Dry and separated.
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god what do you think is his bf? and do you think he might be natural? his best lifts:
deadlift 330kg
bench 170kg
squat 290kg
all raw
weight 82kg
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god what do you think is his bf? and do you think he might be natural? his best lifts:
deadlift 330kg
bench 170kg
squat 290kg
all raw
weight 82kg
Hi Bez
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god what do you think is his bf? and do you think he might be natural? his best lifts:
deadlift 330kg
bench 170kg
squat 290kg
all raw
weight 82kg
lean..... but too stringy...needs to up the test
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Your only going to be able to maintain 4% for literally hours before getting bad side.effects. you can't walk around day to day 4%
yes,, sagi is good example of that,, he is maybe the best condition bodybuilder around all year long and he suffered due to that,, you just cant walk around 4-5 % and dry all the time,, your body will fall apart from within ,, this diff between 4-5 and 6-8 is enough to keep you healthy and going,, 4-5% for long time none stop will take its toll on everything from mental to actualy keeping your insides going, sagi really pushed it really maybe the most impressive body i hav eseen on 190-200lb fella due to his condition that is simply crazy all year round but! it cost at the end it cost,,
gh15 approved
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god what do you think is his bf? and do you think he might be natural? his best lifts:
deadlift 330kg
bench 170kg
squat 290kg
all raw
weight 82kg
thats a 6 percenter,,natural? do i need to even respond lol this fella on hgh and insulin = pro bodybuilder
gh15 approved
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dead
gh15 approved
ROFL :D
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yes,, sagi is good example of that,, he is maybe the best condition bodybuilder around all year long and he suffered due to that,, you just cant walk around 4-5 % and dry all the time,, your body will fall apart from within ,, this diff between 4-5 and 6-8 is enough to keep you healthy and going,, 4-5% for long time none stop will take its toll on everything from mental to actualy keeping your insides going, sagi really pushed it really maybe the most impressive body i hav eseen on 190-200lb fella due to his condition that is simply crazy all year round but! it cost at the end it cost,,
gh15 approved
something happen to sagi kalev?
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LOL....this guy is about as natural as attaching heavy weights to your penis and stretching it
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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lol..arent you the guy who kisses bbers asses all the time?
Youre in the "all positive".. "hard work".. "all natural".. "spot on nutrition" and all this misleading crap bandwagon as well...dont come here pretending you "seek" the truth behind modern bbing, jackass.
Νo i always new the truth about the modern bodybuilding of hormones, diuretics and drugs. But i am also knowing well that you need hard training and a perfect nutrition to achieve perfect conditioning.
I am talking about the abuse on gh, insulin, drugs, etc, but most about narcotics that gh15 said at several topics and posts. Also i never said that anyone of the modern bodybuilding is natural. I said that we have to leave away from our critic the personal life, wife or children of someone.
So, think again, read again about what i was saying about and then open your mouth and talk.
The sad think is that i still think that you and Groink are some of the members that i like most.
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thats a 6 percenter,,natural? do i need to even respond lol this fella on hgh and insulin = pro bodybuilder
gh15 approved
and this fella ?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=393617.0
GH & insuline Free
Great arab génétic
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sure,,
estrogen doesnt come only from using of hormones,, it comes from diff things hapen to human body ,, both males and females to a larger degree,, but be sure about it ...both males and females can have higher level of estreogen ...with female its expected with males...it depends on ,,level of stress,, and ofcourse on ethnicity ,, and ofcourse on type of food etc,,
over all ,, fellas with higher level of stress tend to hold more estrogen ,, good example for etnicity nationality with higher level of estrogen is jews,,they are more stressed fellas thus produce more cortisol thus hodl more estrogen usualy midsection and lower back ,, this give them ofcourse the ability to be stronger....but thats for another day ,, same for italians they hoold bunch load of estrogen due to stress levels if not on hormones ,, it usualy go like this...the more you use your brain the more stressed you will be the more cortisol you will put out the more estrogen you will hold,, jews hold the title,, italians are right there with them ...others too,,
take for exampel jamaica fellas,, african fellas russian fellas,,forget about it ! they just have no stress ,, brain doesnt care,, you can put jamaica boy where ever you want he wont get stressed ,, it is just how it is ,, his brain wont realse the comand to produce more cortisol it wont ,, stress wont fase those type of fellas,, it also hae to do a lot with how you grew up what surrouding parents and type of country ,, but! in general genetic will determine this level of estrogen ,, it can be changed whiel on hormone...look at ron heris he is a jew but he is on so omuch drugs that he produce less estrogen due to them ,, still with out hormones he would look like bigger pooper than what he is on them but the softness and estrogen level in his body would SKY ROCKET ,,whiel jamaica boy wont change lol he will sit at 170-180 and wont change will remain built and sub hard with some definition ,,his body wont produce more estrogen ...ofcourse in his case it will due to him being on hormones and then go off but im talking if he was true natural ...
hopefully oyu get what im saying,,
any jew for example ,, is HIGHLY STRESSED INDIVIDUAL ,, this is one thing every jew knows ,, they are born with stress ,, they know they are super smart and can put most in their left pocket...see flinston ...his words can always put him out of bad balonie beause his brain is mr o ...get what im saying here? same for that special ed fella that used to post here in the past,, his brain is sharp ...jew brain ,, but!! the stress levels are enormous ,, ask yaron avidan ...he look like camn person ,, he is ,, but if you know how jewish are you will know that the stress levels are very high between close doors when you actualy know the fellas,,
this is just how it is and it will determine estrogen in the body when natural ,, ofcourse chemical warfare change everything...
see mr palumbo
this is sealed bible index,,
gh15 approved
I'll just try to qoute this once more to get an answer :)
Wow, just wow, this makes total sense, I worry and speculate ALL the fucking time- You def know what you're talking about!
Well I guess I better learn how to chill or start hormonizing. What are the other side effects of estrogen in a male? And thanks a lot for taking your time to answer so thorougly! Is there any way to lover estrogen without hormonizing?
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whats my bf gh15?
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whats my bf gh15?
ill have to look at this later ,, look like high singles,, but wil have to check again ,, your lower back has some fat and legs too,, but front look 7-8% will have to look at it agsain later ,,, probably around 9% but again i didnt have time to look at it closely
gh15 approved
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whats my bf gh15?
Around 12%, you are bloated as fuck. Clean up the diet and drop some water and let's see. Back/hams/lower abs are still pretty fat, the lowest you could be around 10%, but that's it.
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yes you are 10% and hold the niagra falls water all in you ,,if you got your water down ....it would look much much better 10% maybe even high singles 9%
gh15 approved
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actually it's me with less water... 1 tab of atd as an ai everyday on top of 400mg test and 400mg of deca.
normally im even more bloated.
what should I do to drop water? i wont take tren, its out of option.
im gonna introduce ephedrine in few weeks... and thats it. diet wise it is as following:
100g of rice, 100g of oats, 2 whole eggs, 3 egg whites (big eggs - 70g each), 400-500g of chicken breasts, some olive oil. I don't really need much calories since I'm endomorphic.
My lifts: deadlift 190x3, barbell row 120x6, db shoulder press 40kg x 2, back squat 160x3 ass to grass, front squat 120x3. bodyweight 77kg after breakfast, height 5'5''.
doing 30 minutes of cardio after workout 3 times a week (some bcaas before it i know its bullshit but im kinda scared not to take it lol), tried 45 mins but it felt kinda worse for some reason.
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gh15, what do you think my bodyfat is here?
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
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What's the most effective way to drop water, naturally?
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gh15, what do you think my bodyfat is here?
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3941311.jpg)
6% tops. Great look.
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6% tops. Great look.
thanks. my guess was closer to 8% though.
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thanks. my guess was closer to 8% though.
lol,, this is 5.5% and dry 5.5%,,this is no where even remotely close to 8% or 7%,, this is small muscles with 5.5 % bodyfat on them...and pretty much DRY! best condition in this all tread
gh15 approved
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look at your fuckin x on the back side,, look at it lol 8% lol are you fuckin nuts? it look like there is a mini person carved into your back ,,look at the back detail and fibers all over ,, this is small fella with sub6% and not only sub% but DRY sub 6%
gh15 approved
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6% tops. Great look.
dont know if great look because...you want to be bigger and mainly thicker,, notice the muscle in the back are very small ,, better be thicker and have on you 7-8% bodyfat and only when big enough due to hormonal usage cut down to 6% ,,generaly speaking his condition is absolitly great but the muscles are just too small,, need more thickness ,, thickness is very important ,, thick muscles even if covered by some water and fat...some ! not 12% lol but 8% would look better
gh15 approved
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MY BR0THER H0W MUCH?
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do a better job of cropping ur hair line and backne plz
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do a better job of cropping ur hair line and backne plz
UMM THAT'S N0T ME.
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lol,, this is 5.5% and dry 5.5%,,this is no where even remotely close to 8% or 7%,, this is small muscles with 5.5 % bodyfat on them...and pretty much DRY! best condition in this all tread
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look at your fuckin x on the back side,, look at it lol 8% lol are you fuckin nuts? it look like there is a mini person carved into your back ,,look at the back detail and fibers all over ,, this is small fella with sub6% and not only sub% but DRY sub 6%
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Thanks man. My back and chest gets pretty ripped but my arms and shoulders are still undefined, that's why I was thinking I was higher.
dont know if great look because...you want to be bigger and mainly thicker,, notice the muscle in the back are very small ,, better be thicker and have on you 7-8% bodyfat and only when big enough due to hormonal usage cut down to 6% ,,generaly speaking his condition is absolitly great but the muscles are just too small,, need more thickness ,, thickness is very important ,, thick muscles even if covered by some water and fat...some ! not 12% lol but 8% would look better
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I agree, injuries held me back, I was bigger in my young days.
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What's the most effective way to drop water, naturally?
diet....because a lot of this water bs is FAT. gh15 should stick to hormonized guys...many of his estimates are crap. Even among the obvious hormonizers his estimates are often off.
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5 years ago, Squadfather (PBUH) would've had a field day with some of the pics in this thread. Ownings would've been dished out, feelings hurt and major meltdowns witnessed, with many a noob left with nothing but a sickening sense in the pit of their stomach as they lay sobbing in a fetal position, sucking their thumbs.
Now just about every noob starts their first few posts by praising gh15, make a few posts about what they take/should take and 30 posts later, become part of the gang, with no Getbig initiation :(
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diet....because a lot of this water bs is FAT. gh15 should stick to hormonized guys...many of his estimates are crap. Even among the obvious hormonizers his estimates are often off.
im never off ,, what i say is 100% it is not fat with most of hormonized bodybuidl..it is water,, reason you all come to stage 180 is because you over diet and know nothing abotu the diff between water and fat,, this is the problem
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Is this the smellier, poorer, gayer, eastern European version of "dov"
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5 years ago, Squadfather (PBUH) would've had a field day with some of the pics in this thread. Ownings would've been dished out, feelings hurt and major meltdowns witnessed, with many a noob left with nothing but a sickening sense in the pit of their stomach as they lay sobbing in a fetal position, sucking their thumbs.
Now just about every noob starts their first few posts by praising gh15, make a few posts about what they take/should take and 30 posts later, become part of the gang, with no Getbig initiation :(
i tell them their bodyfat ,, as simple as thaT,, someone need to do it and do it right,, i tell them bodyfat ,, i cant tell them how much water they have becaue everyone hodl water diff...but! if i say bodyfat it is right on ,, when i say that fella joe is 10% i mean exactly that not 13 and not 8,,10% starting to get into the singles 9-10%
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im never off ,, what i say is 100% it is not fat with most of hormonized bodybuidl..it is water,, reason you all come to stage 180 is because you over diet and know nothing abotu the diff between water and fat,, this is the problem
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you have been off several times. Water can be a huge thing for hormonized bodybuilders BUT i have seen you several times confuse water and FAT, this goes for both pics of true naturals and hormonizers.
a natural sitting at 13% wont be sub 10 just by losing water, which you have made it sound like. You tend to overestimate the leaness level of many of the guys. I suspect because you work with alot of hormonized guys who carry massive amounts of water. (drug induced water retention)
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i tell them their bodyfat ,, as simple as thaT,, someone need to do it and do it right,, i tell them bodyfat ,, i cant tell them how much water they have becaue everyone hodl water diff...but! if i say bodyfat it is right on ,, when i say that fella joe is 10% i mean exactly that not 13 and not 8,,10% starting to get into the singles 9-10%
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You do what you have to do, I wasn't complaining about you. Just saying I miss the old Getbig with the brutal initiation that every noob had to go through first, which was one of the funniest/best things about this place.
The new chick booty's thread was brutal, but in a very different and serious way compared to how it used to be during the great Sarcasm's era.
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tell us bout dropping water gh15
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i never confuse those things,, thats what i make cheecheeing off friend,, when you do it 24 7 for so many years there is no confusment,, hormonized bodybuilders ,, serious ones.... only hold water with minimal bodyfat on them ,, it is the skin thickness that you confuse with fat ,, trust me on that i make champions ,, im myself a champion ,, no mistakes in this regard,, every % i said here is spot on ,, not only that! but in most cases im being very harsh on fellas,, what you see on boarding when they show 8% and make it look like its 12% ....is balonie,, done by fellas who have no clue inregard to bodyfat and water,, it is again steroid boardings myths like many others...
that is why many of you go on stage 170lb hormonized insted of 200lb ...becaus you condfuse water with fat!
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tell us bout dropping water gh15
dropping water in advane bodybuild is only dne in ONE SINGLE WAY ,, it is the usage of diuretics all along the year,, LIAR IS THE ONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWIZE,,
we BLOW UP ON HORMONES AND ALL ALONG THE YEAR WE TAKE WATER OUT WITH DIURETICS,, im never wrong ,, i know how it is ,, i been there and done that,, the reason you see 230lb fellas with abs sucked in the skin all wraped aroudn the abs when they are 5'8 237lb....is because of DIURETIC that go hand in hand with insulina! and with hgh! ,, nothing to di with 60 meals a day or with chiken and asparagus or with balonie,, thats the excuse those mother fuckin sobs give you...but no more,, you been to the school of gh15 and graduated! now you know hwo it is
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i never confuse those things,, thats what i make cheecheeing off friend,, when you do it 24 7 for so many years there is no confusment,, hormonized bodybuilders ,, serious ones.... only hold water with minimal bodyfat on them ,, it is the skin thickness that you confuse with fat ,, trust me on that i make champions ,, im myself a champion ,, no mistakes in this regard,, every % i said here is spot on ,, not only that! but in most cases im being very harsh on fellas,, what you see on boarding when they show 8% and make it look like its 12% ....is balonie,, done by fellas who have no clue inregard to bodyfat and water,, it is again steroid boardings myths like many others...
that is why many of you go on stage 170lb hormonized insted of 200lb ...becaus you condfuse water with fat!
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no, I stand by what I said. You are wrong with several of your estimates; they are fatter than you make em out to be. not all..but several.
going from 13 to 7% for a natural is not the same thing as final phase competition prep water manipulation for the hormonized bodybuilders. yes the latter will often overdiet because they can not control the drug induced water retention...and all the insulin and shit makes it even more difficult. but at the same time the latter (drug using bodybuilders) often can't diet as many of the old school guys and are fatter than many of the amateurs. so it's not just a water issue!!
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anyone4 i gave bodyfat estimation here was within 1% of his true bodyfat,, every single one,, if i wasnt 100% sure i didnt give it ,, the problem is i was 100% sure with them from what i seen ,, whatever i gave here was right on,, shwo me where i was wrong,, im rarely wrong inregard to bodyfat,, even the fella i gave 10% that looked fat....from the back....it was load of water weight ,, he would get into 10% visual look within 3 day on diuretic,, 7 day aldactone and he is 10%
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ill check this posting later i have to go now,, but i will chek it ,, i like seeing bodyfat pictures it teaches the pupils here ,, it is big thing i want them to understand
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anyone4 i gave bodyfat estimation here was within 1% of his true bodyfat,, every single one,, if i wasnt 100% sure i didnt give it ,, the problem is i was 100% sure with them from what i seen ,, whatever i gave here was right on,, shwo me where i was wrong,, im rarely wrong inregard to bodyfat,, even the fella i gave 10% that looked fat....from the back....it was load of water weight ,, he would get into 10% visual look within 3 day on diuretic,, 7 day aldactone and he is 10%
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I have seen you tell natural guys who are 12/13 that they are 8-9. this is not a water issue...this is a body fat issue.
this situation is different from a hormonized guy who sits at 211lbs 5% 3 weeks before competition who overdiets to 183lbs because he doesn't know what he is doing (he can't control his water issues...edit: or rather he confuses fat and water and thus overdiets )
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10% bodyfat going into the high singles within days if wanted!
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sub6% bodyfat 5%,, holding notghin btu skin and water on him
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22-25% bodyfat
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10% bodyfat going into the high singles within days if wanted!
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this guys need to loss FAT if he wants to go sub 10%. I would say he is 11 or so in that picture. there is no need for him to specifcally worry about water at this stage.
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this guys need to loss FAT if he wants to go sub 10%. I would say he is 11 or so in that picture. there is no need for him to specifcally worry about water at this stage.
no he is already on thre verge of 9% he is 10% at night after all meals in ,, this is what 10% full look like,,this is also one of the most common mistakes among the know it all in steroid boardings,, to give this fella 14% ....this is when they show they havwe NO CLUE ABOUT BODYBUILDING,, this kid in this poicture is VERY TONED HE IS VERY VERY VERY VERY MUCH IN THE 10% AND HE IS SCULPTED WELL FOR NATURAL ,, HE CAN BE WITHIN 21 DAYS IN THE 8-9% ZONE,, he hold water on him true... but it is also not much ...
this is what 10% bodyfat look like and THIN SKIN
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22-25% bodyfat
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i remember this guy. he is mentally ill.
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wil check this tread later have to go,,
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no he is already on thre verge of 9% he is 10% at night after all meals in ,, this is what 10% full look like,,this is also one of the most common mistakes among the know it all in steroid boardings,, to give this fella 14% ....this is when they show they havwe NO CLUE ABOUT BODYBUILDING,, this kid in this poicture is VERY TONED HE IS VERY VERY VERY VERY MUCH IN THE 10% AND HE IS SCULPTED WELL FOR NATURAL ,, HE CAN BE WITHIN 21 DAYS IN THE 8-9% ZONE,, he hold water on him true... but it is also not much ...
this is what 10% bodyfat look like and THIN SKIN
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of course he can be sub 10 in a short time BUT it's via fat loss not via water manipulation as you make it sound in many cases. it's not like one meal will take him from 11 to 8/9.
another factor is the amount of muscle mass that someone is carrying...you can have two people looking completely different at same bf% because they carry different amount of muscle mass.
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dropping water in advane bodybuild is only dne in ONE SINGLE WAY ,, it is the usage of diuretics all along the year,, LIAR IS THE ONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWIZE,,
we BLOW UP ON HORMONES AND ALL ALONG THE YEAR WE TAKE WATER OUT WITH DIURETICS,, im never wrong ,, i know how it is ,, i been there and done that,, the reason you see 230lb fellas with abs sucked in the skin all wraped aroudn the abs when they are 5'8 237lb....is because of DIURETIC that go hand in hand with insulina! and with hgh! ,, nothing to di with 60 meals a day or with chiken and asparagus or with balonie,, thats the excuse those mother fuckin sobs give you...but no more,, you been to the school of gh15 and graduated! now you know hwo it is
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gh15,
how was he getting the dry, sucked-in look in the 70s? were diuretics widely used then too?
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gh15,
how was he getting the dry, sucked-in look in the 70s? were diuretics widely used then too?
some people tend to hold more water than others....maybe this guy was an aldosterona freak and his body doesnt hold water like the average people...i think that dryness is attainable with propper diet and water manipulation...very diffcult, but not impossible...
im waiting god to aswer this...
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Mabe he just didn't drink for a week....
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me pls..
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me pls..
Hahahaha
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me pls..
Good quads dude
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no he is already on thre verge of 9% he is 10% at night after all meals in ,, this is what 10% full look like,,this is also one of the most common mistakes among the know it all in steroid boardings,, to give this fella 14% ....this is when they show they havwe NO CLUE ABOUT BODYBUILDING,, this kid in this poicture is VERY TONED HE IS VERY VERY VERY VERY MUCH IN THE 10% AND HE IS SCULPTED WELL FOR NATURAL ,, HE CAN BE WITHIN 21 DAYS IN THE 8-9% ZONE,, he hold water on him true... but it is also not much ...
this is what 10% bodyfat look like and THIN SKIN
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if i post my diet (everything is already broken down i.e calories carbs protein per meal), is there any chance you can tell me what i need to change to get down to single digits?
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gh15,
how was he getting the dry, sucked-in look in the 70s? were diuretics widely used then too?
this is diuretic,, everytime you see those tunneled abdominal the fella use diuretic,, tunnel and dry ...you can see there is no water.. the water were sucked out via diuretic,, no diet and no balonie,, diet wil nto take all the water out and it will defnietly wont take the HORMONAL WATER OUT,,
masterona ...diuretic ...thats the 2 key ingredients
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me pls..
6% but hormonal water,,
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if i post my diet (everything is already broken down i.e calories carbs protein per meal), is there any chance you can tell me what i need to change to get down to single digits?
lol joe,, stop with this balonei you are right at 9-10% you are single digit ,, you mean doewn to 6%? down to 6% youll have to clean diet and follow it a good 6-8 weeks but....you will lose weight ofcourse and lose size on muscle diameter...
clean diet will do it but you will look lik enatural ....165-170 lb
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if i post my diet (everything is already broken down i.e calories carbs protein per meal), is there any chance you can tell me what i need to change to get down to single digits?
I can tell you.
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me pls..
very good physique... but the bloated face ???
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GH15 why when i diet and adjust to lose 1500 calories a day i lose 1 kilogram or little more than 2 pounds every day then suddenly when my weight goes down and down the rate of loosing my weight slowly decreases???for example today am 90kg (200 pounds) and adjust to lose basicly around 1500 calories which is 200grams of body fat...then every morning i weight myself on empty stomach and my weight decreases by 1 kg (2 pounds) every day...for days i lose the weight like this and then i hit a phase whwew i keep the deficit the same 1500 calories but my weight now decreases slowly like in range 200-300 grams a day???
I know that that the more i weight the more water i hold cause the body is 70% water...and i know that with this defficit of 1500 calories i slow down my metabolism but this is not a competition diet or something like that but just diet for week or two (so i dont want to hear you that i slowed down my metabolism cause i know it lol)
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lol joe,, stop with this balonei you are right at 9-10% you are single digit ,, you mean doewn to 6%? down to 6% youll have to clean diet and follow it a good 6-8 weeks but....you will lose weight ofcourse and lose size on muscle diameter...
clean diet will do it but you will look lik enatural ....165-170 lb
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I didn't use a "clean" diet. I found it to be unnecessary, hindering even.
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bump. gh, please explain what "clean" has to do with anything. That may teach the kids here a valuable lesson.
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in phase 3 you mentioned a phase 4... ???
good luck to all ,,
phase 4 will come in few days
sealed bible index,,
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phase 4
(http://p1-1.xhamster.com/000/009/629/527_1000.jpg)
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"phase 4" is to book yourself a kidney and a liver. ;D
good luck!! lol
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I can eat pizza's icecream whatever while still getting leaner. Works really well, stuff like icecream post workout, you will blow up like a balloon and look "huge". ;D Helps to keep the muscles full while dieting.
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phase 4
(http://p1-1.xhamster.com/000/009/629/527_1000.jpg)
I like phase 4!
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Fuck sake let him eat dinner with Alex and big ach in peace
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gh15,
how was he getting the dry, sucked-in look in the 70s? were diuretics widely used then too?
winstrol dude, its prescribe for people with edema sometimes..should tell you something
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winstrol dude, its prescribe for people with edema sometimes..should tell you something
nubret had conditioning beyond his peers, it was diuretic like, shrink-wrapped skin, but didnt know diuretics were available then
didnt know winstrol had such water flushing effects
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(http://p1.xhamster.com/000/009/452/940_1000.jpg)
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There is no phase 4. :D
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nubret had conditioning beyond his peers, it was diuretic like, shrink-wrapped skin, but didnt know diuretics were available then
didnt know winstrol had such water flushing effects
why do you think joints hurt when you take winstrol, it drains water out of you
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why do you think joints hurt when you take winstrol, it drains water out of you
makes sense
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There is no phase 4. :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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my meal plan..
TRAINING DAYS
Protein – P Carbs – C Calories – c Fats - F
6 am – 200 ml oatmeal ( 288 c , 50 grams of C , 10 grams of P ), 125 grams of egg whites ( 126 c, 14 grams of P ), whole egg (100 c, 7 grams of P)
9 30 am
• Half pack of lean ground turkey (220 grams, 260 c, 40 grams of P), half a sweet potato (55 c, 14 grams of C), pbj sandwich whole weight bread (180 c, 33 grams of C) or
• 5 oz chicken breast (276 c, 41 grams of P), 125 ml of brown rice (108 c, 23 grams of C) or
• 6 oz steak (266 c, 35 grams of P), 125 ml of brown rice (108 c, 23 grams of C)
12 pm – same as 9 30 am plus 1 pear
3 pm – 1 cup of egg whites (252 c, 27 grams of P), 1 fiber 1 bar ( 100 c, 19 grams of C)
Sleep until 6
6:30 or 7 pm - 1 large can of tuna (260 c, 32 grams of P), 2 slices of whole wheat bread (180 c, 33 grams of C) or some type of veal or steak or chicken left over from dinner
8 pm - Gym
Post Workout
• 2 scoops of protein (222 c, 54 grams of P) with banana (105 c, 27 grams of C) and 3 rice cakes (105 c, 21 grams of C),
Before Bed (10pm)
• 1 cup of egg whites (252 c, 27 grams of P), 1 teaspoon of almond butter
2800 -3000 calories roughly,
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whats my body fat gh15
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whats my body fat gh15
15 %
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whats my body fat gh15
ahaha you look like the second coming of that Craig Goliath dude. no base or foundation just a lot of hormones and shitty structure and bad spot injections.
I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. just trying to help you out.
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
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Don't know about bodyfat but you look small.
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Don't know about bodyfat but you look small.
I agree, needs to up the doses. :-\
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
Thicker than Matt C's cock at the sight of daddywaddy pleasuring himself
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393184.0;attach=427626;image)
Which movie was Ryan O'Neal training for here?
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I agree, needs to up the doses. :-\
He should try using steroids. Those natties all look flat and stringy when dieted down. Fucking anorexic.
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
Bout 5%
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
whoa, dude, your fuckin insane :o
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ahaha you look like the second coming of that Craig Goliath dude. no base or foundation just a lot of hormones and shitty structure and bad spot injections.
I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. just trying to help you out.
::) bitch youve been on gear for almost two decades and you still look like a fitness model, gtfo here with that bullshit
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whats my body fat gh15
your very muscular its hard to tell in the lighting but you may be 15% prolly i would say 13-14%. If you where shaved and the pick was more clear it would be easier to tell at 14-13 most people start seeing slight hints of the outside of there abs. 15% is not fat especailly if someone carrys there bf evenly you can be 15 at look some what lean. The pro wrestler with out the abs look is generally 12-15
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great thread and gh15 spot on,and all good builds showing up out of the woodwork props,,,
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your very muscular its hard to tell in the lighting but you may be 15% prolly i would say 13-14%. If you where shaved and the pick was more clear it would be easier to tell at 14-13 most people start seeing slight hints of the outside of there abs. 15% is not fat especailly if someone carrys there bf evenly you can be 15 at look some what lean. The pro wrestler with out the abs look is generally 12-15
I have calipered as high as 15% looking in almost identical shape so 15% sounds about right.
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
D0 Y0U C0MPETE?
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I have calipered as high as 15% looking in almost identical shape so 15% sounds about right.
LOL
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::) bitch youve been on gear for almost two decades and you still look like a fitness model, gtfo here with that bullshit
LOL keep thinking your great 'taylor'. you need a severe wake up call. your floating in hormones and you still look like shit- what's that like? and dude stop with the site injections you look ridiculous. stick to being a fat kid who rides dirt bikes and leave training/ juicing to real men who have the genetics to look good instead of the genetics to look like a soft doughy wanna be who poses like a fucking retard in every photo he's in in an attempt to 'highlight' his 'musculature' and hide how fat he is.
keep up the good work, Shrek
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very good physique... but the bloated face ???
Super bloated offseason. Years of not being in shape (5-6 years?) and epic beard. Another 10lbs or so it goes away. I'm just a fat kid at heart, tho.
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Hahahaha
Not everyone can be an epic pussy slaying playboy, che. But at least I live in America!
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
All right physique, looks easy to maintain off gear, probably 12-15% bf... jk ;D
Christ, brother... you look fucking phenomenal! Definitely mid single digits, can't be any more than that. Fucking JACKED to say the least. A schmoe's dream!
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Fuck!!! :o You a big freakin mofo 8)
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Fuck!!! :o You a big freakin mofo 8)
X2, absolute beast. Jealous.
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
Easily best body on getbig. :o :o :o
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i'm sure he will release phase 4 soon
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(http://p1.xhamster.com/000/009/452/940_1000.jpg)
damn
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damn
x2, more of that please, Mars!
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I didn't use a "clean" diet. I found it to be unnecessary, hindering even.
cleaer diet is important ,, i will discuss it in phase 4,, important when it come to getting down and dialing in whiel remaining as large as possible yet as detailed as possible,, i will discuss it soon in phase 4
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nubret had conditioning beyond his peers, it was diuretic like, shrink-wrapped skin, but didnt know diuretics were available then
didnt know winstrol had such water flushing effects
thats because serge used diuretics my friend,, every serious bodybuild does
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my meal plan..
TRAINING DAYS
Protein – P Carbs – C Calories – c Fats - F
6 am – 200 ml oatmeal ( 288 c , 50 grams of C , 10 grams of P ), 125 grams of egg whites ( 126 c, 14 grams of P ), whole egg (100 c, 7 grams of P)
9 30 am
• Half pack of lean ground turkey (220 grams, 260 c, 40 grams of P), half a sweet potato (55 c, 14 grams of C), pbj sandwich whole weight bread (180 c, 33 grams of C) or
• 5 oz chicken breast (276 c, 41 grams of P), 125 ml of brown rice (108 c, 23 grams of C) or
• 6 oz steak (266 c, 35 grams of P), 125 ml of brown rice (108 c, 23 grams of C)
12 pm – same as 9 30 am plus 1 pear
3 pm – 1 cup of egg whites (252 c, 27 grams of P), 1 fiber 1 bar ( 100 c, 19 grams of C)
Sleep until 6
6:30 or 7 pm - 1 large can of tuna (260 c, 32 grams of P), 2 slices of whole wheat bread (180 c, 33 grams of C) or some type of veal or steak or chicken left over from dinner
8 pm - Gym
Post Workout
• 2 scoops of protein (222 c, 54 grams of P) with banana (105 c, 27 grams of C) and 3 rice cakes (105 c, 21 grams of C),
Before Bed (10pm)
• 1 cup of egg whites (252 c, 27 grams of P), 1 teaspoon of almond butter
2800 -3000 calories roughly,
too mych for me to read right now,, you are ok you are 9-10% matter of few weeks of cleaner diet if truly natural and you will be sitting 6% and dry ,, you are 6-8 weeks from being 6% dry,, again if you are truly natural ...its about 6-8 weeks of stricter diet for natural to get to 6% from the 9-10 you are in the picture,, good luck
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whats my body fat gh15
14-15% but with bloat bloat bloat!,,you can be in the singles within 12 weeks if going on the right hormones and still eating the same ....but the water wieght for your body type will have to be dealt with with diuretic later on when in the single...or you will have to do the what i call bobbie chik way ,, the bobbie chic way is something ill discuss in phase 4 ...it involved less usage of diuretics and more reliance on diet,, stil use diuretic but ill explain about it later
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15 %
lol i didnt see groink respond! ,, very good very good,, he knows his bodybuild,,sad thing is many retards will give him 22%...
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
good physiqe,, thick and dense and conditioned,, this is 5% with water wait on ...5-6% with water weight,, not much water becaue you can see the lines pretty clear and the pecs have the indentations deep into them when flex,, this is conditioned ,, its duretic from stage,,ofcourse if you want 4% you will need to go down little more on the fat but this is within the 5-6% zone and pretty dry ...still holding water but drier 6%
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All right physique, looks easy to maintain off gear, probably 12-15% bf... jk ;D
Christ, brother... you look fucking phenomenal! Definitely mid single digits, can't be any more than that. Fucking JACKED to say the least. A schmoe's dream!
not only buff and jacked...but! also conditioned! this is the tricky part when getting to that thickness...to keep it detailed,, he is doing good job indeed
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Easily best body on getbig. :o :o :o
nah ,, the leaf bug better physiqe,, also whats his name i forgot his fucking name the modetator from yaman also better physiqe,, their v tapers and over all symetry and condition is better ...this fella has very good physie he is very thick...and dense...but he hold too much water for first place,, he does carry the highest mass ...thats correct,, along with b boy and others,,
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14-15% but with bloat bloat bloat!,,you can be in the singles within 12 weeks if going on the right hormones and still eating the same ....but the water wieght for your body type will have to be dealt with with diuretic later on when in the single...or you will have to do the what i call bobbie chik way ,, the bobbie chic way is something ill discuss in phase 4 ...it involved less usage of diuretics and more reliance on diet,, stil use diuretic but ill explain about it later
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discuss what hormones tdongz needs to get to mid singles god.
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What would you estimate my BF% here GH15 ?
very impressive, what were u running?
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discuss what hormones tdongz needs to get to mid singles god.
trenbolona ace a must
gh recomended,,
masterona A M U S T
reduced testosterona doses to the hrt levels of 150-250mg a week for 6 weeks whiel eliminating nandrolona completely
no orals what so ever
with this he will be 8-9% within 2 months about 8-9 weeks of serious training and the right doses
taking it with his kind of body to dry 6% will involve cleaning diet and thinning the skin ,, for another 8 weeks then he will be 6% dry and the size will be about 185-195lb which is good at 6% dry can look im pressive
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x2, more of that please, Mars!
Mars doesnt take requests.
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So around 5%....im pretty pleased with that estimation.Never had it measured before....
BTW....I wasnt getting ready for a contest in that pic.I have been leaner....
This is probably leanest i have been,so i would be maybe 4% ? Might get it checked out of curiosity next contest !
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very impressive, what were u running?
bump
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cleaer diet is important ,, i will discuss it in phase 4,, important when it come to getting down and dialing in whiel remaining as large as possible yet as detailed as possible,, i will discuss it soon in phase 4
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what is a "clean" diet?
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what is a "clean" diet?
How about you fuck off already?
This has been discussed 10 million times already, you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it.
You dieted down from 85kg to 65kg and i bet my ass you lost a ton of muscle, with a proper diet you could have been 75kg, that is still fucking small by bodybuilding standards.
No one gets in shape with your shitty diet and without drugs and is able to compete.
Shitty diet and tons of tren, HGH, insulin or clean diet and no drugs, if you don't want to look like a skinny little girl.
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How about you fuck off already?
This has been discussed 10 million times already, you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it.
You dieted down from 85kg to 65kg and i bet my ass you lost a ton of muscle, with a proper diet you could have been 75kg, that is still fucking small by bodybuilding standards.
No one gets in shape with your shitty diet and without drugs and is able to compete.
Shitty diet and tons of tren, HGH, insulin or clean diet and no drugs, if you don't want to look like a skinny little girl.
Meltdown.
I asked gh15.
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what is a "clean" diet?
i repedely said it,, from 6 to 4% especialy from 6-7% wet... to 4-5% dry ...there is specific rules need to be followd,, you just wont walk around 4% unless for few weeks...you follow
fish and rich
fish and rice
fish and rice
fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
little icecream and some pine apple to get your head straight from time to time becuase the body needs some fat and i chose to give it from natural sugar like pineapple which replace fruit ...easy to drink and icecream which is best fat for brian ,,as simple as that now if truly natural the icecream thing will have to be minimal!
the meals are not in order can be also sirloin steak and brown rice,, chiken and brown rice...but! i prefer fish like tilapia in mega doses and brown rice to get from 6 to 4% rememnber! you want thin! skin! it wont come naturaly unless you work this way and even ! on hormones! you will have to do it for few weeks ,,
you just buy the damn tilapias ,,get some chiachi hot red souce,, some garlic... grill it in pan ...very thin fish easy to do ,, add to brown rice ready to make packets... and eat many meals a day ,, thats thekey to lose the bodytfat and remain with all muscle on or most..ofcourse you need to have muscle for that...and def not do it all year long,, im talking here weeks 6-7 weeks ...really the clean aspect should be 4-6 weeks if you didnt get after weeks to dry 5% ....then you were not ready 6% dry for natual 5% dry for hormonized ...4% after application of diuretics
very simple to follow,, it just got to be therre when you go from wet 6% that look like 8...to dry 5% that can look like 4!
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again ! remember i am talking LIMITED TIME OF THIS TYPE OF DIET....VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IM NOT TALKING ABOUT 12 OR 16 WEEKS,, IF ON HORMONES YOU ONLY NEED 4-5 WEEKS OF IT...IF TRULY NATURAL YOU WILL NEED DOUBEL THE TIME 7 WEEKS..UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY FAT BUT THEN YOU ARE NO BODYBUILDER,,
REMEMBER BODYBUILD START DIET FROM 10% ! at max! usualy less...usualy most of us start diet from 6-7% wet....into 5% dry
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one more thing,, when i wrotre brown rice... the carbs are CYCLED!,, not everymeal is with carbs,, it cycle some low some high very much depending on few factors ,, you sometime WANT to be flat to only later....explode,, bodybuild is in advance level and advance mean SUB 6 % WET...especialy on hormones....is an art...insulina fucked up this art but its still art
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i repedely said it,, from 6 to 4% especialy from 6-7% wet... to 4-5% dry ...there is specific rules need to be followd,, you just wont walk around 4% unless for few weeks...you follow
fish and rich
fish and rice
fish and rice
fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
little icecream and some pine apple to get your head straight from time to time becuase the body needs some fat and i chose to give it from natural sugar like pineapple which replace fruit ...easy to drink and icecream which is best fat for brian ,,as simple as that now if truly natural the icecream thing will have to be minimal!
the meals are not in order can be also sirloin steak and brown rice,, chiken and brown rice...but! i prefer fish like tilapia in mega doses and brown rice to get from 6 to 4% rememnber! you want thin! skin! it wont come naturaly unless you work this way and even ! on hormones! you will have to do it for few weeks ,,
you just buy the damn tilapias ,,get some chiachi hot red souce,, some garlic... grill it in pan ...very thin fish easy to do ,, add to brown rice ready to make packets... and eat many meals a day ,, thats thekey to lose the bodytfat and remain with all muscle on or most..ofcourse you need to have muscle for that...and def not do it all year long,, im talking here weeks 6-7 weeks ...really the clean aspect should be 4-6 weeks if you didnt get after weeks to dry 5% ....then you were not ready 6% dry for natual 5% dry for hormonized ...4% after application of diuretics
very simple to follow,, it just got to be therre when you go from wet 6% that look like 8...to dry 5% that can look like 4!
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So after you get to your goal bodyfat and want to put several pounds of quality size you just change the brown rice to white, include more ice cream, more pineapple juice, add bananas and other fruits along with oatmeal while getting as much as possible out to eat sushi, and of course change aas compounds?
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i repedely said it,, from 6 to 4% especialy from 6-7% wet... to 4-5% dry ...there is specific rules need to be followd,, you just wont walk around 4% unless for few weeks...you follow
fish and rich
fish and rice
fish and rice
fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
little icecream and some pine apple to get your head straight from time to time becuase the body needs some fat and i chose to give it from natural sugar like pineapple which replace fruit ...easy to drink and icecream which is best fat for brian ,,as simple as that now if truly natural the icecream thing will have to be minimal!
the meals are not in order can be also sirloin steak and brown rice,, chiken and brown rice...but! i prefer fish like tilapia in mega doses and brown rice to get from 6 to 4% rememnber! you want thin! skin! it wont come naturaly unless you work this way and even ! on hormones! you will have to do it for few weeks ,,
you just buy the damn tilapias ,,get some chiachi hot red souce,, some garlic... grill it in pan ...very thin fish easy to do ,, add to brown rice ready to make packets... and eat many meals a day ,, thats thekey to lose the bodytfat and remain with all muscle on or most..ofcourse you need to have muscle for that...and def not do it all year long,, im talking here weeks 6-7 weeks ...really the clean aspect should be 4-6 weeks if you didnt get after weeks to dry 5% ....then you were not ready 6% dry for natual 5% dry for hormonized ...4% after application of diuretics
very simple to follow,, it just got to be therre when you go from wet 6% that look like 8...to dry 5% that can look like 4!
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you really cracked me up on this ;D
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So after you get to your goal bodyfat and want to put several pounds of quality size you just change the brown rice to white, include more ice cream, more pineapple juice, add bananas and other fruits along with oatmeal while getting as much as possible out to eat sushi, and of course change aas compounds?
no!,, there is wet 6-8% on anything you want ot eat on hormones,, thats what bodybuild can go by easily all years and does,, its just wet bloated 6-8% ,, coming competition time last 6 week you want to get down to 4-5% right ? even if you compete 6% you want it DRY 6! ,, you will need to twik diet some ,, and clean it ,, and then apply diuretic to get the super duper thin skin ,, you can be in condition with out diuretic but NOT super duper thin skin you can get shredded and peeled but not! sandy peeled....sandy peeled when skin look like vietnamize summer roll steam roll ,, for that there is no other way aside from diuretic
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i repedely said it,, from 6 to 4% especialy from 6-7% wet... to 4-5% dry ...there is specific rules need to be followd,, you just wont walk around 4% unless for few weeks...you follow
fish and rich
fish and rice
fish and rice
fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
eggwhites or fish and rice
little icecream and some pine apple to get your head straight from time to time becuase the body needs some fat and i chose to give it from natural sugar like pineapple which replace fruit ...easy to drink and icecream which is best fat for brian ,,as simple as that now if truly natural the icecream thing will have to be minimal!
the meals are not in order can be also sirloin steak and brown rice,, chiken and brown rice...but! i prefer fish like tilapia in mega doses and brown rice to get from 6 to 4% rememnber! you want thin! skin! it wont come naturaly unless you work this way and even ! on hormones! you will have to do it for few weeks ,,
you just buy the damn tilapias ,,get some chiachi hot red souce,, some garlic... grill it in pan ...very thin fish easy to do ,, add to brown rice ready to make packets... and eat many meals a day ,, thats thekey to lose the bodytfat and remain with all muscle on or most..ofcourse you need to have muscle for that...and def not do it all year long,, im talking here weeks 6-7 weeks ...really the clean aspect should be 4-6 weeks if you didnt get after weeks to dry 5% ....then you were not ready 6% dry for natual 5% dry for hormonized ...4% after application of diuretics
very simple to follow,, it just got to be therre when you go from wet 6% that look like 8...to dry 5% that can look like 4!
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Calorie deficit, that's all it takes. Everything else is BS and you know it.
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Calorie deficit, that's all it takes. Everything else is BS and you know it.
yes, but you gotta hang on to the muscle, its not just fat-loss, its still bodybuilding
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yes, but you gotta hang on to the muscle, its not just fat-loss, its still bodybuilding
WL doesn't understand that part, he thinks the goal of bodybuilding is to look like an anorexic girl.
If he ever figures out that bodybuilders want to be big and muscular, he will have to overthink his stupid theory a bit, but that will not happen anytime soon, WL is happy to be either fat at 85kg (oh boy) or ripped at 64. ::) ::)
He could come to Japan and compete in the teenager class in BB here.
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yes, but you gotta hang on to the muscle, its not just fat-loss, its still bodybuilding
of course.
WL doesn't understand that part, he thinks the goal of bodybuilding is to look like an anorexic girl.
If he ever figures out that bodybuilders want to be big and muscular, he will have to overthink his stupid theory a bit, but that will not happen anytime soon, WL is happy to be either fat at 85kg (oh boy) or ripped at 64. ::) ::)
He could come to Japan and compete in the teenager class in BB here.
Yes, I'm very stupid. I don't understand. ::)
I've only been doing this for over a decade.
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if your goals are to be ripped and look like a twilight glittery vampire, thats cool too, Im just saying from a bbing perspective, which is what gh15's gospel is about
WL doesn't understand that part, he thinks the goal of bodybuilding is to look like an anorexic girl.
If he ever figures out that bodybuilders want to be big and muscular, he will have to overthink his stupid theory a bit, but that will not happen anytime soon, WL is happy to be either fat at 85kg (oh boy) or ripped at 64. ::) ::)
He could come to Japan and compete in the teenager class in BB here.
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if your goals are to be ripped and look like a twilight glittery vampire, thats cool too, Im just saying from a bbing perspective, which is what gh15's gospel is about
Show me one true natural who is big and ripped. There is none. You are either big or ripped as a natural.
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Show me one true natural who is big and ripped. There is none. You are either big or ripped as a natural.
I was replying to dk's post, not directly aimed at you,
yes, if you are a nattie, you have the choice, big or ripped , not both..
but chicks dig ripped vampires (Id pass on the glitter)
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I was replying to dk's post, not directly aimed at you,
yes, if you are a nattie, you have the choice, big or ripped , not both..
but chicks dig ripped vampires (Id pass on the glitter)
I should make clear that I'm not questioning gh15's take on anything drug related. I have no knowledge about that whatsoever. But I don't think the term "clean food" means anything, with or without drugs.
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very impressive, what were u running?
Just using Muscletech products :)
Tren,Prop,Mast,Clen.....
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Calorie deficit, that's all it takes. Everything else is BS and you know it.
not quite my friend,, it is true that claorie deficit will do majority of the work and will put you 6% but! for the skinnnn to thin down you will have to bring the diet cleaner ...yes my friend yes,,especialy on hormones,, AGAIN I AM TALKING 6 TO 4%! ,, remember some fellas were blessed with great skin while other have thick skin ,, it is due to many reasons i wotn go into here,, but the solution to that thick skin is partialy the final diet and ofcourse diuretic....
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I should make clear that I'm not questioning gh15's take on anything drug related. I have no knowledge about that whatsoever. But I don't think the term "clean food" means anything, with or without drugs.
you do notice what my clean food defition is...it doesnt mean starving yourself,, it mean just eat fish insted of damn chips and pizza...thats the all deal ,, i still ok with icecream i go very linient ..pine apple insted of cane sugar....since you want fruit some right? so best thing is to drink the damn sugar ofo the pine apple ..what can be more natural than this? the diet i put you through is not clean it is CLEANER!,,
you wont get to 4% and maintain bodybuild size...on some mcdonalds 4 times a day ,, you just wont,, 6%? wet 6-8%? maybe but the condition when your 16 inch arm look 18 inch and veins running all over with thin skin where your big mellon suddenly look kinda small and your neck look kinda manly on your 167lb ? that only cleaner diet can bring and that only happen from 6 % dry to 4% dry
there is quite a diff between 6% wet and dry ,, quite the diff my friend
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Calorie deficit, that's all it takes. Everything else is BS and you know it.
wavelength, I respect you and you have a fine physique and all. But your dieting methods are 100% accurate for twinks only. If you want to have MUSCLE MASS as well as epic leans, you must follow the gh15 bible.
You are the master of YOUR domain. But please do not mince your words with the God of Hormones. I do what you do as well, but once you get to the mid singles and HAVE MUSCLE you do need to tidy things up to stay muscled and lean. Twinked and lean can be accomplished by nothing more than intermittent fasting.
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These two were taken on Sept 10th and 11th, different bathrooms with different lighting, but both the same in that they were taken at home with no gym-pump and about same bodyweight.
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^^^ forgot to mention, since gh15 posted it a few weeks ago I've been drinking 500 ml egg whites from the carton twice a day, which has helped lean up a bit since I was previously drinking higher calorie protein supplement (Syntha-6)
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^^^ forgot to mention, since gh15 posted it a few weeks ago I've been drinking 500 ml egg whites from the carton twice a day, which has helped lean up a bit since I was previously drinking higher calorie protein supplement (Syntha-6)
Damn BB, great shape and condition. How old are you anyway? That last pic on the bottom you look like you are in your mid twenties.
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These two were taken on Sept 10th and 11th, different bathrooms with different lighting, but both the same in that they were taken at home with no gym-pump and about same bodyweight.
Looking better than Pyzzz ,good job BB.
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of course.
Yes, I'm very stupid. I don't understand. ::)
I've only been doing this for over a decade.
Over ten years of bodybuilding and you are 64kg?
You should have gone into ice skating instead.
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of course.
Yes, I'm very stupid. I don't understand. ::)
I've only been doing this for over a decade.
right...and i dare you to try and put on 10 pounds of muscle on your diet....you semi-starve yourself...your'e just REALLY skinny...you look good, standing by yourself in your very favourably lighted pics....if you stood next to someone my size you would be embarrased
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These two were taken on Sept 10th and 11th, different bathrooms with different lighting, but both the same in that they were taken at home with no gym-pump and about same bodyweight.
Looks like it pays to have Nasser dictating your drug regimen.
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right...and i dare you to try and put on 10 pounds of muscle on your diet....you semi-starve yourself...your'e just REALLY skinny...you look good, standing by yourself in your very favourably lighted pics....if you stood next to someone my size you would be embarrased
WL thinks that Auschwitz was a bodybuilding contest, sad thing is he would have made Top 5, but not Top 3.
He is anorexic, that is all.
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too mych for me to read right now,, you are ok you are 9-10% matter of few weeks of cleaner diet if truly natural and you will be sitting 6% and dry ,, you are 6-8 weeks from being 6% dry,, again if you are truly natural ...its about 6-8 weeks of stricter diet for natural to get to 6% from the 9-10 you are in the picture,, good luck
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ok, appreciate all the advice...also i started drinking eggwhites instead of protein powder, big difference thanks
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Damn BB, great shape and condition. How old are you anyway? That last pic on the bottom you look like you are in your mid twenties.
Thanks pellius! I'm actually not that young - 31, turning 32 in about 6 weeks. Perhaps the cell-phone takes a few years off :)
Looking better than Pyzzz ,good job BB.
Thanks a lot che!
One thing the zyzz nuthuggers don't consider is he's often on diuretic + post-sauna (to remove water) before taking the very pics they post of his; I doubt he looked that dry day-to-day. Either way RIP.
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These two were taken on Sept 10th and 11th, different bathrooms with different lighting, but both the same in that they were taken at home with no gym-pump and about same bodyweight.
'Mola Ram! Prepare to meet Kali... in Hell!'
/jk, bobs. looking super.
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I have never used G, and as you saw from earlier pics I have always come into respectable condition on lower doses and have worked my ass off pretty hard each time. So if I start G for the first time I would assume my fast metabolism will be soaring and fear that it may make me "lazy" as fat will melt off easier and you can "get by" with cheats or diet inconsistencies etc,,,, I hear from top guys that once G is ran at 5+ iu's dieting is a joke compared to NOT using gh.
Do you think modern day BB'ers are lazy as shit due to forgetting what it was like without high dose GH + all the others stackable agents.....If you can keep that same ass busting mentality on OR off gh - I would assume people would be showing up in nasty condition.
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I doubt he looked that dry day-to-day.
I heard he looks really dry today.
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These two were taken on Sept 10th and 11th, different bathrooms with different lighting, but both the same in that they were taken at home with no gym-pump and about same bodyweight.
i'm impressed.
will you tell us about your hormone usage? i'm also interested in hearing about your diet and training, of course.
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I have never used G, and as you saw from earlier pics I have always come into respectable condition on lower doses and have worked my ass off pretty hard each time. So if I start G for the first time I would assume my fast metabolism will be soaring and fear that it may make me "lazy" as fat will melt off easier and you can "get by" with cheats or diet inconsistencies etc,,,, I hear from top guys that once G is ran at 5+ iu's dieting is a joke compared to NOT using gh.
Do you think modern day BB'ers are lazy as shit due to forgetting what it was like without high dose GH + all the others stackable agents.....If you can keep that same ass busting mentality on OR off gh - I would assume people would be showing up in nasty condition.
let me asnswer this with example,,, few months ago i was in gymnasium and fella that i have control over what he do was walkign in the gymnasium and gym onwner saw him ,, the gym onwer say to him ... yes yes i can really see you got ripped dont go too freaky on us ,, do you know what the fella was on?
hgh anadrol and testosterona lol his diet? fish and icecream and rice and pizza and shit food every couple days lol
this! is how strong the power of gh is! ,,
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i'll jump in here, what do you think my % is here?
-5%. Now, piss off. This thread is about Girl, Interrupted BF and cutting.
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let me asnswer this with example,,, few months ago i was in gymnasium and fella that i have control over what he do was walkign in the gymnasium and gym onwner saw him ,, the gym onwer say to him ... yes yes i can really see you got ripped dont go too freaky on us ,, do you know what the fella was on?
hgh anadrol and testosterona lol his diet? fish and icecream and rice and pizza and shit food every couple days lol
this! is how strong the power of gh is! ,,
gh15 approved
How long should each bout of tren be weaved into the "explode when lean" stage? 4 weeks tren, then eq and repeat etc.....
Also if someone has never "blasted" and has built themselves damn good on 400-500 mgs highest, would it be wise to start your blast at 650 (a 200mg jump) +gh for firt time and other mild anabolic? I cant make sense of going from 4-500 to a gram etc.... Does "get the most from the least" not apply?
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i'm impressed.
will you tell us about your hormone usage? i'm also interested in hearing about your diet and training, of course.
Take your target bodyweight (what you would like to weigh at when lean) and multiply that by 10 - that should be approximately your daily calorie in take. Take the same target bodyweight # and multiply by 1.5 and that should be your daily protein in grams. The rest of the calories I don't think makes too much difference how much comes from fat vs. carbs, but you should ensure you're getting enough fiber, and to get that you need some carbs...and once you factor that in there probably won't be lots of room to for calories from fat....so it ends up being high protein, low to moderate carbs, and low fat.
I'm no expert but that's what works for me if I'm consciously trying to drop lbs. Otherwise I eat higher calories.
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'Mola Ram! Prepare to meet Kali... in Hell!'
/jk, bobs. looking super.
;D
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Take your target bodyweight (what you would like to weigh at when lean) and multiply that by 10 - that should be approximately your daily calorie in take. Take the same target bodyweight # and multiply by 1.5 and that should be your daily protein in grams. The rest of the calories I don't think makes too much difference how much comes from fat vs. carbs, but you should ensure you're getting enough fiber, and to get that you need some carbs...and once you factor that in there probably won't be lots of room to for calories from fat....so it ends up being high protein, low to moderate carbs, and low fat.
I'm no expert but that's what works for me if I'm consciously trying to drop lbs. Otherwise I eat higher calories.
Good advise - basic and easy to follow plus implement ;) also you look great in those two pics mate - much better than the heavier version imo :)
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let me asnswer this with example,,, few months ago i was in gymnasium and fella that i have control over what he do was walkign in the gymnasium and gym onwner saw him ,, the gym onwer say to him ... yes yes i can really see you got ripped dont go too freaky on us ,, do you know what the fella was on?
hgh anadrol and testosterona lol his diet? fish and icecream and rice and pizza and shit food every couple days lol
this! is how strong the power of gh is! ,,
gh15 approved
I can't emphasize how correct this is. When it comes to bodyfat, NOTHING is as effective as GH. No cardio, no strict diet, no nothing... just GH and bodyfat will melt away for sure.
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Will maxmuscle post his drug regime?
be a true getbigger ;D
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I already posted it.....Just the same stuff most guys use :)
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Take your target bodyweight (what you would like to weigh at when lean) and multiply that by 10 - that should be approximately your daily calorie in take. Take the same target bodyweight # and multiply by 1.5 and that should be your daily protein in grams. The rest of the calories I don't think makes too much difference how much comes from fat vs. carbs, but you should ensure you're getting enough fiber, and to get that you need some carbs...and once you factor that in there probably won't be lots of room to for calories from fat....so it ends up being high protein, low to moderate carbs, and low fat.
I'm no expert but that's what works for me if I'm consciously trying to drop lbs. Otherwise I eat higher calories.
You kinda left a couple things out there ;)
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I already posted it.....Just the same stuff most guys use :)
care to post it again?
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he's telling all you smooth motherfuckers you're 8% tops
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He's saying you look smooth because of water not fat and if you took a diuretic you would see the difference. Get it
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He's saying you look smooth because of water not fat and if you took a diuretic you would see the difference. Get it
which is wrong in many cases.....
it may be relevant for someone in already good shape...but in many cases the main thing is that the guys are just fat(ter) than he estimates.
there is also a difference between a drug pig with huge water retention issues and a natural.
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which is wrong in many cases.....
it may be relevant for someone in already good shape...but in most cases the main problem guys are just fat(ter) than he estimates. <----- You're wrong.
there is also a difference between a drug pig with huge water retention issues and a natural who doesn't. <---- No shit buddy.....
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no I'm not...he regularly estimates guys who are 12-13 as 8-9
it's not just water
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He put me at 9-10%
I would say 12-13%
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He put me at 9-10%
I would say 12-13%
exactly...and then he says....ohh you will overdiet because you think you are fatter than you are and all you need isa diuretic and you will be 6% Bf...
he doesn't understand what body FAT % means
and as i mentioned...there is a difference between a natural and a drug pig in terms of how much water you are carrying around
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most guys who estimate themselves as 12% are 15%, he calls them 7-8%
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most guys who estimate themselves as 12% are 15%, he calls them 7-8%
yeah because he is used to working with hormonizers who use diuretics as finishing touch....when they already have very low BF% but are looking to peak. very different situation than a natural who is 13% bf..
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exactly...and then he says....ohh you will overdiet because you think you are fatter than you are and all you need isa diuretic and you will be 6% Bf...
he doesn't understand what body FAT % means
and as i mentioned...there is a difference between a natural and a drug pig in terms of how much water you are carrying around
I am vascular on shoulders, arms and forearms when I am pumped but my veins do not sit out lots - thats because I am not under 8%
I look leaner especially when I wake up or am dehydrated but I am NOT as lean as he thinks.
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I am vascular on shoulders, arms and forearms when I am pumped but my veins do not sit out lots - thats because I am not under 8%
I look leaner especially when I wake up or am dehydrated but I am NOT as lean as he thinks.
yeah but that's normal water fluctuation...and doesn't mean that you Bf % has changed over the course of the day. it's related to hydration level and glycogen storage
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I know I am agreeing with you.
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I know I am agreeing with you.
yup i understand just making a point.
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nope, he is on point, you dont have to be huge to be lean, and if you have defined abdominals there is no way you are any higher than 9-10% unless you are a woman.
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IM NTO QUOTING ANYONE IN THIS BALONIE TREAD FOR THERE IS NOTHING TO QUOTE,,
NOW LISTEN CAREFULY,, I WILL SAY IT ONCE! AND THIS WILL BE IT!
I AM NEVER WRONG WHEN IT COME TO BODYFAT! NEVER EVER AM I WRONG,, I KNOW THE EXACT DIFF BETWEEN WATER AND FAT I GET PAYED A LOT TO PUT FELLAS IN EXACTLY THE RIGHT NUMBERS ASKED FOR ,,
NOW THIS IS THE PART YOU HAVE TO LISTEN VERY CAREFULY TO!
EVERY FELLA GET TRUE ESTIMATION OF THEIR BODYFAT ,, WHEN I SAY TBOMB IS 15% I MEAN EXACTLY THAT! WHEN I SAY THE URESOS IS WHATEVER I SAID HE WAS IT MEAN EXACTLY THAT ,,
THE ONLY DIFF IS WATER THAT YOU CONFUSE WITH BODYFAT! IT IS A BIG MISTAKE MADE BY BODYBUILDER A ND THAT IS WHY YOU ALWAYS SIT IN YOUR MISERABLE 178LB ON STAGE AND PLAYING THE WANNA BE MIDDLE WEIGTH BODYBUILDER THAT WANNA GO UP TO LIGHT HEAVY...
THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT CAN PUT A BODYBUILDER AT HARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD BODYFAT PERCENTAGE GIVEN IS
E P H E D R I N E AND DIURETIC
CLENBUTEROL IS SECANDARY BEST ,, AND DNP IS OFCOURSE USED BUT NOT RECOMENDED BY ME ,,
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT THE REASON ONE BODYBUILD LOOK PUFF AND SOFTER IS IN 99% OF CASES WATER RETENTION FROM THE HORMONES EVEN IF NATURAL WATER RETENTION IS WHAT IT IS WHEN I GOD OF HORMONES DETERMINE ITS WATER,, INORDER TO GET READ OF THIS WATER THE FIRST THING WE BODYBUILD DO IS USE
E P H E D R I N A ! THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT HEAR ANYWHERE ,,WHY? BECAUSE THE SCAMBAG MOTHER FUCKING LIARS DONT OPEN THEIR MOUTH ,, WHY DO YOU THINK ANY NATURAL OUT THERE TRUE NATURAL ....GET PREP TO COMPETITION WITH FAT BURNER? WHY DO THEY USE EPHEDRINE?? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT TAKE MAJORITY OF THE WATER OUT AND THE LITTLE FAT DOWN TO 6% OR IF HORMONIZED DOWN TO 4%
READ WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AGAIN AND AGAIN OVER AND OVER
INSTED OF TAKING OUT HORMONES....YOU PLAY WITH THEM WHILE INCREASING EPHEDRINA DOSES!!!!!!!!! THIS IS WHAT NO ONE OF THE DANTAS CARE TO TELL YOU ..WITH HIM ITS BECAUSE HE IS PURE FAT BUT IN GENERAL NO ONE TELL YOU THAT BECAUSS THEY DO NOT GIVE A FLYING BALONIE ABOUT YOU ,,
IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT SHOW SHOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW THOSE 9% EUROSOS HAVE,, AND IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT WOULD PUT SOMEONE LIKE JOE AT DRY 7% IF NOT 6... AND IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT PUT US BODYBUILDER READY AS IN DRIERRRRR WHEN ON MEGA DOSE HORMONES...AND THEN DIURETIC APPLICATION ,,
GET IT IN YOUR FUCKIN HEAD ALREADY ,, YOU ARE NOT SLOW I KNOW YOU ARE NOT SLOW BUT YOU ACT SLOW TO KEEP GOING ABOUT THIS BALONIE
I AM NEVER WRONG ABOUT BODYFAT,,
THE ONLY DIFF IS THE DRY FELLAS USE EPHEDRINA AND FAT BURNERS OF THE SUCH ....EPHEDRINA WILL ALSO DO SOMETHING LIKE MOST SERIOUS AMPHETAMINES WILL DO AND IT IS REDUCE WATER REDUCE FINAL BODYFAT% AND! ANDDDDDDDD! WILL ADD ADDDDDDDDDDDDD SOME WEIGHT TO YOU IN THE FORM OF PRESERVED MUSCLE AND PUMP DRY PUMP IN THE MUSCLE THAT WILL EXPEND THE MUSCLE AND VOLUMIZE IT FROM WITHIN ....YES YES THE FACT ABOUT CLENBUTEROL ABILITY TO EXPEND THE MUSCLE FROM WITHIN IS TRUE BUT IT IS WAY BETTER WITH EPHEDRINA AND DONE BY US BODYBUILDERS ALL THE TIME,,
YOU EAT CLEAN AND TRY TO GET INTO COMPETITION MODE....
THEN EAT WHATEVER AND USE EPHEDRINE...PREFEREBLY WITH AAS..
AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU END UP LIKE,,
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU WILL END UP LIKE PUPILS..
190+LB ON STAGE WITH EPHEDRINE
185 LB ON STAGE WITH OUT IT!
EPHEDRINE IS OUR SECRET TO EVERYTHING RELATED TO DRYNESS AND THE REDUCTION OF WATER FROM OTHER HORMONES....THIS IS A SECRET THAT AGAIN NO ONE TELL YOU BALONIE ABOUT BECAUSE NO ONE GIVE A FLYING FUCK WETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT...THEY ARE ALL COCROCHES WHO DONT CARE ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES
WHAT DO YOU THINK GET PHILSULINA NOW TO BE IN SHAPE? THE GH? OFCOURSE IT KEEP HIM LEAN ....BUT WHAT GET HIM HARD?? FUCKIN MEGA DOSE EPHEDRINA AND AMPHTAMINE,, FELLA IS AS HIGH AS A KITE,,
LEARN YOUR FUCKIN BODYBUILDING AND HOW WE MANIPULATR WATER WITH EATING FREE OF WORRY !
YOU FELLAS REALLY NEED TO LEARN YOUR BODYBUILD AND BODYFAT AND WATER,, LOTS OF MISGUDED SOULS IN THIS TREAD ,, THIS IS NOT GOOD
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i want this ^ as bible index,, mark as bible index ,,
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bronkaid work as good as other ephedrine products gh15 ?
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we should only use ephedrine WHILE on AAS or else we risk looking flat, fragile and lose muscle mass ..
correct ?
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bronkaid work as good as other ephedrine products gh15 ?
lol,, bronkaid is the best epehdrine there is ,, the majority of users who go walmart and buy it are bodybuild not astma fellas lol the product survive due to bodybuilders,, its ephedrine....what can be better than ephdrine for dryness? what? ephedrine not only dry you ....but add muscle on you while on hormoens from the volumization effect from within cell,, it is big thing epehdrine with us profesionals,, it always there in prep because otherwise we would look as soft and wet as a baby butt that leaks
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never heard this before... what kind of doses are recommended?
20 or so mg 3x daily is what I always hear?
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never heard this before... what kind of doses are recommended?
20 or so mg 3x daily is what I always hear?
never heard of ECA ???
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I have to agree with the TS and slaveboy1980, although I wouldn't use the same words as the TS. That being said I'm a big fan of gh15. Lots of good info, but some of the BF% estimations (and we have to remember that all of us are just estimating the numbers) seem a little off to me.
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we should only use ephedrine WHILE on AAS or else we risk looking flat, fragile and lose muscle mass ..
correct ?
ephedrine shoujd lbe used with aas...but even with out some true naturals use it and maintain their 170..to show day insted of coming 165...very short usage though,,
with hormones...there is no way around ephedrine...how else will you have the dry level needed with the ceiling fan high sucked in drier look to the physiqe...
its amphetamine,,a must MUST in bodybuilding to get into dryness needed
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never heard this before... what kind of doses are recommended?
20 or so mg 3x daily is what I always hear?
lol ,, for the average local level bodybuilder it is 12.5-25mg every 2 hours!,,you want it every 2 hours in 2-3,, for the higher levels lol it is used just as much as hormones,, you CAN NOT GET TO BE 240 DRY WITH OUT THOSE THINGS FRIENDS
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never heard of ECA ???
never heard that it dropped water
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any specific caffeine and/or aspirin doses ?
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the reason you never heard about it as water drop is because its beeig promoted as FAT BURNER,, the reality of the matter is ....bodybuilders have no fat! 6-10% most serious bodybuild ,,the fact the fellas tell thenm they are 15 or 20 or 17 and all this balonie ,, or tell a fella he is 14% when he is 179lb and then he 8 week later at 172lb 6%....that show how useless and how little idea those fellas have about fat..
we play with water mainly and little fat!,, the water is under the skin ...it sit there and will be there and i can garentee you it wil be confused with fat even 10 years from now too...
the actual fat is not much ...its the water that being expeled from under skin that make you look more dry and detailed....and thats confused with you being less bodyfat while in reality your density and thickness to begin with was 8%...
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we use aspirin mainly to reduce blood pressure ,,,thats about it ,, taken in the right timing to what you need in the eca is ther ephedrine,, we bodybuilders abuse the shit out of it ,, some fellas live on that shit,, its amphetamine it is the reason you see 200lb fellas ripped to shreds and DRY!
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and it is safe, gh15?
does not fall in the "no no" of bodybuilding that will run you into troubles like mixing with narcotics and alcohol?
ephedrine does not fall in that category of "no no" of mixing with aas?
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Gh15 u talking ephedra WITH caffeine (eca) or just the bronkaid every 2-3 hours??
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Thanks for clarifying gh15...
but I've always thought that ephedrine had to be stacked with caffeine (aspirin optional mainly for blood pressure) in order to promote optimal results ... Is the caffeine really only for "energy" purposes and ephedrine itself is the reason for the fat burning/water shedding ?
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never heard that it dropped water
Hell yeah...you sweat like a pig on that stuff.
I can't take it....fucks with my sleep horribly
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friends,, to answer the question in one posting,, it is the bronkaid you need...the ephedrine not the other balonie,, the otheer balonie is ok too but its the ephedrine your blood need,, amphetamines will dry you will make you look high...and wil make your body look high ! high quality! if you have enough muscle under the skin it will tighten you up and dry you up harden you and prep you ...while not having to eat chiken and brokly every 2 hours 12 times a day but more of your free choice of cleaner food...ofcourse hgh shoudl be there like always in and out with the 6 month window i talked about
amphetamines are the only reason we can get the body into final mode condition with out shrinking into shit land,, think about it ....have you ever seen bodybuild who get into condition with out it? have you ever seen bodybuilder who just use hgh insulina and aas to get in condition lol ,, its the amphetamines that dry us and the diuretic ...no one talk abotu amphetamines the ephedrine is big big deal in impressive condition ,, how do you think we show the back detail and eliminate the water there or reduce to low level? by going into sauna? lol we have constant supply of ephedrine that we use and judjing by mirror ,,
if you are 6% you will start seeing ephedrine body change within first hour of usage,, you wil dry by the hours! 1 week on ephedrine for a true wet 6 percenter = dry 6%,, and the reason we can use high doses of hormones is because we increase ephedrine doses to compensate and get drier more quality look
very simple,, its chemical warfare.....you dont just stuck 2 gram in your blood of testosterona and say im a bodybuild lol it dont work this way friends,,
bodybuild is also the driing products...and the hardening agnents...
show me serious bodybuild who doesnt use trenbolona in prep and masterona ,,,show me thi sbodybuild,,,show me a bodybuild that doesnt use amphetamine to be able to get the skin tightening and drying hardening effect,,,show me this bodybuild...i wanna see him,, that bodybuild does not exist because that bodybuild will never step on stage because he will alwyas look WET
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he's telling all you smooth motherfuckers you're 8% tops
You are full of shit, from head to nails. gtfo.
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i had a feeling caffeine wasn't needed... everyone was raving on how ephedrine is useless with out caffeine lol
thanks for the clarification!
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You are full of shit, from head to nails. gtfo.
look what he say ,, read in his sentence,, he say SMOOTH ,,smooth usualy mean water weight,, this is what make one smooth ,, the definition of water weight is smoothing the physiqe...it blurred lines... when you are fat you knwo it because you got a lard of dead fat sitting on you its dead it look like its dead like you got a damn kengaru pocket to stuff in your little kengeroo in,,
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and it is safe, gh15?
does not fall in the "no no" of bodybuilding that will run you into troubles like mixing with narcotics and alcohol?
ephedrine does not fall in that category of "no no" of mixing with aas?
its amphetamine,, you will get your heart rate up ,, you will get the high feel and the glossy eyes philsulina heath like,, you will have the shiney invinsible high bodybuilder look ,, but again as everything else it is dosed dependent,, to get problems from 1-2 tabs a day ...just wont happen ,,the thing is that bodybuildl abuse it they use 10 sometimes even more,, it depends on hwo mcuh shit they are on ,, this is where problems happen
one intake of 12.5 to 25 mg tablet of ephedrina wil create in your body a termo effect that NOTHING else will do ,,you will sit on couch heart wil increae slightly not bad ,, and you will have hives of heat but not in a bad way ...it will be like a good warm felling coming and going,, thats when you know you lose water and fat ,, water you will pee out fat will just melt to where you need it at,, as simple as that,,
reason you use more than 1-2 in higher levels is becauss ethey abuse tons of hormones ,,,when you use insulina 100+ iu a day ....you need lotta ephedrina lol and ofcourse with everythign if you really need lots of ephedrina then you are just not a bodybuilder you are a drug addict
you shoudl see big changes to final prep with 1-4 tabs a day of ephedrina ,, the fellas who use more are also the felas who haev problems and at times drop dead becuase they use other things just in the same manner of abuse,,
if you take 5 tabs of epehdrina a day and cant get superb condition then you are not a bodybuilder and just a fat ass,, 1-2 single tab devided to 2 doses within 5-7 days should make bodybuild of 200lb drier and harder and if 6% or under pretty much ready,, this is 1-2 tablets a day
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i thought the same that caffeine was needed aswell but I think it's only for the "kick" and does nothing for water/fat ... :D ;D
sooo...
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its amphetamine,, you will get your heart rate up ,, you will get the high feel and the glossy eyes philsulina heath like,, you will have the shiney invinsible high bodybuilder look ,, but again as everything else it is dosed dependent,, to get problems from 1-2 tabs a day ...just wont happen ,,the thing is that bodybuildl abuse it they use 10 sometimes even more,, it depends on hwo mcuh shit they are on ,, this is where problems happen
one intake of 12.5 to 25 mg tablet of ephedrina wil create in your body a termo effect that NOTHING else will do ,,you will sit on couch heart wil increae slightly not bad ,, and you will have hives of heat but not in a bad way ...it will be like a good warm felling coming and going,, thats when you know you lose water and fat ,, water you will pee out fat will just melt to where you need it at,, as simple as that,,
reason you use more than 1-2 in higher levels is becauss ethey abuse tons of hormones ,,,when you use insulina 100+ iu a day ....you need lotta ephedrina lol and ofcourse with everythign if you really need lots of ephedrina then you are just not a bodybuilder you are a drug addict
you shoudl see big changes to final prep with 1-4 tabs a day of ephedrina ,, the fellas who use more are also the felas who haev problems and at times drop dead becuase they use other things just in the same manner of abuse,,
if you take 5 tabs of epehdrina a day and cant get superb condition then you are not a bodybuilder and just a fat ass,, 1-2 single tab devided to 2 doses within 5-7 days should make bodybuild of 200lb drier and harder and if 6% or under pretty much ready,, this is 1-2 tablets a day
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You said Ephedrine, mentioned clen, but what about Yohimbine usage in BB, or it's more of a female drug?
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ephedrine better than clen :)
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its amphetamine,, you will get your heart rate up ,, you will get the high feel and the glossy eyes philsulina heath like,, you will have the shiney invinsible high bodybuilder look ,, but again as everything else it is dosed dependent,, to get problems from 1-2 tabs a day ...just wont happen ,,the thing is that bodybuildl abuse it they use 10 sometimes even more,, it depends on hwo mcuh shit they are on ,, this is where problems happen
one intake of 12.5 to 25 mg tablet of ephedrina wil create in your body a termo effect that NOTHING else will do ,,you will sit on couch heart wil increae slightly not bad ,, and you will have hives of heat but not in a bad way ...it will be like a good warm felling coming and going,, thats when you know you lose water and fat ,, water you will pee out fat will just melt to where you need it at,, as simple as that,,
reason you use more than 1-2 in higher levels is becauss ethey abuse tons of hormones ,,,when you use insulina 100+ iu a day ....you need lotta ephedrina lol and ofcourse with everythign if you really need lots of ephedrina then you are just not a bodybuilder you are a drug addict
you shoudl see big changes to final prep with 1-4 tabs a day of ephedrina ,, the fellas who use more are also the felas who haev problems and at times drop dead becuase they use other things just in the same manner of abuse,,
if you take 5 tabs of epehdrina a day and cant get superb condition then you are not a bodybuilder and just a fat ass,, 1-2 single tab devided to 2 doses within 5-7 days should make bodybuild of 200lb drier and harder and if 6% or under pretty much ready,, this is 1-2 tablets a day
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2 QUESTI0NS. H0W EARLY DID PHIL START USING SLIN? H0W MANY IUS D0 Y0U THINK HE USES RIGHT N0W. SLIN AND GH? 100 IU?
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2 QUESTI0NS. H0W EARLY DID PHIL START USING SLIN? H0W MANY IUS D0 Y0U THINK HE USES RIGHT N0W. SLIN AND GH? 100 IU?
don't hijack the thread .. this is about ephedrine :)
gh15 is right again.. my friends who take lotssssssss of ephedrine always have that high/glossy/glowing/shiney eyes look going on
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Gh15 takes over and owns this thread. Great bible index. I will admit, I didn't use ephedrine or Diuretic during my last prep and I sat there wondering why I was smooth on stage ::). Stupid me, but lesson learned.
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should ephedrine always be in the bloodstream? or should it only be used for contest prep / resume photos much like diuretics? (in order to maintain health, i mean)
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has the thread starter been put on suicide watch yet ???
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should ephedrine always be in the bloodstream? or should it only be used for contest prep / resume photos much like diuretics? (in order to maintain health, i mean)
ephedrine shouold NOT be always in blood stream ...you dont want to walk dry 6% all year round,, no need for it ,,when ephedrine does what you needed it for you can pull it out and try to maintain ...but you will need the water to blow up only try to keep it lower level than from before...
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GH15 will a low dose of arimidex keep you dry?
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This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat.
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This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat.
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You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.
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You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.
I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work. When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural. Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about. Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler. 50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned. Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).
Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on. Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat. They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine. Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look. When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT. They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT. Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky. For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat. People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference. Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic. A REAL DIURETIC. Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone! With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!
Don't get frustrated because you don't see it. Take some time and look at off season photos of guys. Look at contest shape guys. Look at naturals the same way. Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf. Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.
Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique. He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.
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i thought the same that caffeine was needed aswell but I think it's only for the "kick" and does nothing for water/fat ... :D ;D
sooo...
there you go...
the bigger you aore as a profesional or amatuer the more epehdrine you will use...what do you thin kwe all walk dry just because our genetic make us dry? we are wet sakcs of shit ,, we sit 6% and you think we are 12 % we are wet!! its the amphetamines who get us dry and prep ready,,every the damn natural use them
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GH15 will a low dose of arimidex keep you dry?
will keep you dry and flatter,, it will prevent important estrogen from being in system ,, you want some estrogen ,, its the loads of amphetamines on big bodybuilder who get it ready not some stupid arimidex,,masterona and ephedrine again doesnt hav eto be high dose epehdrine if you are 190lb bodybuilder...but it is the combo of 2 that create YUMMIE bodyes ask the homo fella from this boarding gay or bay whatever his name is he will confirm
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This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat.
retard ,, it needs to be BODYFAT to begin with ,, the pictures i have seen had lower bodyfat and more water!,, hormonal water,, dont misguide them ,, pupils ignore!
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You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.
again ,, its water that is problem of hormonized fellas not bodyfat! those 20lb you need to lose...are WATER,, and they are much less than 20lb ....5lb of water reveal underneath SHITLOAD OF DEAILED MUSCLE,, 5 lb!
you need to reread bible i have no time to explain this to infantils
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I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work. When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural. Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about. Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler. 50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned. Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).
Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on. Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat. They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine. Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look. When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT. They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT. Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky. For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat. People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference. Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic. A REAL DIURETIC. Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone! With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!
Don't get frustrated because you don't see it. Take some time and look at off season photos of guys. Look at contest shape guys. Look at naturals the same way. Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf. Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.
Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique. He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.
finaly ,, yes yes this is exactly it
the only diff i will put here is that the true natural insted of 180lb 6% will most likley be 170lb 6% and on a good day! this is 5'10! and even that fella will be on fat burner and already did some shit in the past as in some oral halodrola or something,, but yes over all true naturals...165-175lb 6% and those are THE SUPERB naturals
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I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work. When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural. Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about. Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler. 50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned. Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).
Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on. Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat. They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine. Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look. When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT. They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT. Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky. For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat. People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference. Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic. A REAL DIURETIC. Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone! With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!
Don't get frustrated because you don't see it. Take some time and look at off season photos of guys. Look at contest shape guys. Look at naturals the same way. Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf. Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.
Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique. He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.
What bullshit. You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man? That is not just water but fat. Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?
You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go?
Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.
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What bullshit. You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man? That is not just water but fat. Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?
You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go?
Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.
NO! THIS IS COMPLET AND UTTER NONESENSE! THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT NOT TRUE,, IT IS WATER WE HOLD AND IT IS REDUCED BY THE HOURS AND DAYS VAND IT IS DONE FAST,, YES WE EAT CLEANER WE GO FISH AND RICE BUT! IT IS WATER WE LOSE ,, YOU DONT LOSE NO FAT IN 4 WEEKS MAYBE 1-2 % WHAT WE LOSE IS THE FUCKIN WATER WEIGHT,, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FELLA PICTURE THE ONE YOU JSUT PUT DOWN ....HE IS WHAT REAL BODYBUILLDER LOOK LIKE!!! TAKE A LOOK AT HIM PUT IT NEXT TO JASON PICTURE FROM AGE 20....AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JASON DID ONLY HIGHER DOSES AND OFCOURSE BACK THEN....PHARMA EVERYTHING
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NO! THIS IS COMPLET AND UTTER NONESENSE! THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT NOT TRUE,, IT IS WATER WE HOLD AND IT IS REDUCED BY THE HOURS AND DAYS VAND IT IS DONE FAST,, YES WE EAT CLEANER WE GO FISH AND RICE BUT! IT IS WATER WE LOSE ,, YOU DONT LOSE NO FAT IN 4 WEEKS MAYBE 1-2 % WHAT WE LOSE IS THE FUCKIN WATER WEIGHT,, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FELLA PICTURE THE ONE YOU JSUT PUT DOWN ....HE IS WHAT REAL BODYBUILLDER LOOK LIKE!!! TAKE A LOOK AT HIM PUT IT NEXT TO JASON PICTURE FROM AGE 20....AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JASON DID ONLY HIGHER DOSES AND OFCOURSE BACK THEN....PHARMA EVERYTHING
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Come on Nasser. A fat bodybuilder claiming it's water and not fat is like a big fat lady saying she has big bones or that it's a thyroid problem. You saw the Heath guest posing right? That is not just water. That boy got fat. Maybe egytpian camels can hold 50 liters of water but american black males don't.
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Come on Nasser. A fat bodybuilder claiming it's water and not fat is like a big fat lady saying she has big bones or that it's a thyroid problem. You saw the Heath guest posing right? That is not just water. That boy got fat. Maybe egytpian camels can hold 50 liters of water but american black males don't.
post the pics where you think phil was fat.
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for anyone else arguing gh15's estimates are wrong, post an example of it, include a picture of the person assessed, gh15's assessment, and what you think the accurate bodyfat% is.
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So is this hormone based water retention or just plain fat? Both? Is there 15% bodyfat hiding under the bloated outer shell?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372296.0;attach=409132;image)
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So is this hormone based water retention or just plain fat? Both? Is there 15% bodyfat hiding under the bloated outer shell?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372296.0;attach=409132;image)
1) You didn't do as TBombz asked. He said post a pic of someone gh15 assessed.
2) This is an example of what happens when you are fat to begin with and then jump on long esthers of hormones. This guys has muscle, fat, and water retention.
3) We were all discussing bodybuilders, even naturals to some degree, and you come in with this garbage. Please contribute something of value to this thread or don't contribute.
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That's Liar Priest, bro...
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What bullshit. You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man? That is not just water but fat. Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?
You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go?
Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.
Actually this is an interesting point. If it's mostly water retention and they are still 6-8% bf, why don't they just take a diuretic before guest posing so they don't look like a huge pile of shit? Shouldn't be too hard, right? Or is it? Or is there some other motive which escapes me?
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That's Liar Priest, bro...
It may very well be, but I wasn't commenting on anything to do with who is in the picture. I was just talking about what is going on in the picture and how it wasn't at all what TBombz requested.
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liar priest and Trey brewer are prob the only pros who act did get fat, This is partially because they rairly compete and r not under a contract. any pro under a contract wouldnt. Like gh15 says its only water.
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(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/balejuice1.jpg)
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liar priest and Trey brewer are prob the only pros who act did get fat, This is partially because they rairly compete and r not under a contract. any pro under a contract wouldnt. Like gh15 says its only water.
Trey Brewer would actually come OFF hormones completely too. I have 2 friends who are mutual friends of his and I know for a fact he comes off at times and that is when the fat goes on.
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this is just about the fattest any bodybuilder has been for a guest posing show in recent memory.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395071.0;attach=428729)
^^ thats 9-10% bodyfat maximum
bodybuilders dont get fat, they just look that way when they get bloated because your so used to seeing them dry and shredded. you will never see a top ifbb pro with more than 8-9% bodyfat, ever.
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Some get really fat, some don't. Thats all.
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post the pics where you think phil was fat.
yes put them i would like to see
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So is this hormone based water retention or just plain fat? Both? Is there 15% bodyfat hiding under the bloated outer shell?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372296.0;attach=409132;image)
this is liar priest at around 12% my friends,, i know youre not used to him 12%.... but this is him at 12% with BOAT LOAD of water between skin and muscle,,infact i will go here and say this is 10%! with boat load of water,, but 12% is somewhere i can 100% approve
only thing he did was....eating sodium like there is no tomorrow...and just putting in everything he wanted while avoiding the products needed to be avoided for that time being..he took everything out probably left insulina and testosterona in ...and played with it for 2-3 weeks and you got this in addition to the camera man who did wonderful job,,
it was for specific reasons ,, liar priest never saw 15% in a long long time,, he walk fat at12-14%
learn your hormones friends,,this iis both water and fat ....more water than fat ofcourse ,, this is a bloat mother fucker on lots of testosterona and insulina or dianabola testosterona and insulina
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Actually this is an interesting point. If it's mostly water retention and they are still 6-8% bf, why don't they just take a diuretic before guest posing so they don't look like a huge pile of shit? Shouldn't be too hard, right? Or is it? Or is there some other motive which escapes me?
because diuretic bring the water out....it get you lighter...the fellas today think in terms of WEIGHT ON SCALE
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liar priest and Trey brewer are prob the only pros who act did get fat, This is partially because they rairly compete and r not under a contract. any pro under a contract wouldnt. Like gh15 says its only water.
thats correct ,, we play with only water and minimal fat,, liar priest also play with water and minimal fat,, the kid trey gained fat yesit was like sack of dead jello around his physiqe still though still! he wasnt anywhere near 20%
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ya lee priest is actualy pretty lean in the pic lol its an add meant to make him look more fat then he is also white lighting takes out the defention
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gh15, if the top two abs are clearly visible and you can vaguely see your serratus, does that mean one is fairly lean, but holding a lot of water? What body fat would that approximately be?
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i need pictures,, usualy the seratus and sides will show when flexing quite well on low bodyfat fella that hold water...if you see fibers running on your obliqe under skin ....and you see the t rex face both side of the abdominals as i call it ...while flexing squize side then you are low bodyfat and very lean ....if you hold less water you wil see abdominals clear with lines clear...if hold more water your abs will be seen but softer apearance,,
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Worst post to date gh15. Lee is alot more than 10-12 here. He is a fat ass there, look at his tits how shoft from being lazy from not training. Look at the back fat from the rear. This is a short fat ass.
this is liar priest at around 12% my friends,, i know youre not used to him 12%.... but this is him at 12% with BOAT LOAD of water between skin and muscle,,infact i will go here and say this is 10%! with boat load of water,, but 12% is somewhere i can 100% approve
only thing he did was....eating sodium like there is no tomorrow...and just putting in everything he wanted while avoiding the products needed to be avoided for that time being..he took everything out probably left insulina and testosterona in ...and played with it for 2-3 weeks and you got this in addition to the camera man who did wonderful job,,
it was for specific reasons ,, liar priest never saw 15% in a long long time,, he walk fat at12-14%
learn your hormones friends,,this iis both water and fat ....more water than fat ofcourse ,, this is a bloat mother fucker on lots of testosterona and insulina or dianabola testosterona and insulina
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IM NTO QUOTING ANYONE IN THIS BALONIE TREAD FOR THERE IS NOTHING TO QUOTE,,
NOW LISTEN CAREFULY,, I WILL SAY IT ONCE! AND THIS WILL BE IT!
I AM NEVER WRONG WHEN IT COME TO BODYFAT! NEVER EVER AM I WRONG,, I KNOW THE EXACT DIFF BETWEEN WATER AND FAT I GET PAYED A LOT TO PUT FELLAS IN EXACTLY THE RIGHT NUMBERS ASKED FOR ,,
NOW THIS IS THE PART YOU HAVE TO LISTEN VERY CAREFULY TO!
EVERY FELLA GET TRUE ESTIMATION OF THEIR BODYFAT ,, WHEN I SAY TBOMB IS 15% I MEAN EXACTLY THAT! WHEN I SAY THE URESOS IS WHATEVER I SAID HE WAS IT MEAN EXACTLY THAT ,,
THE ONLY DIFF IS WATER THAT YOU CONFUSE WITH BODYFAT! IT IS A BIG MISTAKE MADE BY BODYBUILDER A ND THAT IS WHY YOU ALWAYS SIT IN YOUR MISERABLE 178LB ON STAGE AND PLAYING THE WANNA BE MIDDLE WEIGTH BODYBUILDER THAT WANNA GO UP TO LIGHT HEAVY...
THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT CAN PUT A BODYBUILDER AT HARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD BODYFAT PERCENTAGE GIVEN IS
E P H E D R I N E AND DIURETIC
CLENBUTEROL IS SECANDARY BEST ,, AND DNP IS OFCOURSE USED BUT NOT RECOMENDED BY ME ,,
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT THE REASON ONE BODYBUILD LOOK PUFF AND SOFTER IS IN 99% OF CASES WATER RETENTION FROM THE HORMONES EVEN IF NATURAL WATER RETENTION IS WHAT IT IS WHEN I GOD OF HORMONES DETERMINE ITS WATER,, INORDER TO GET READ OF THIS WATER THE FIRST THING WE BODYBUILD DO IS USE
E P H E D R I N A ! THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT HEAR ANYWHERE ,,WHY? BECAUSE THE SCAMBAG MOTHER FUCKING LIARS DONT OPEN THEIR MOUTH ,, WHY DO YOU THINK ANY NATURAL OUT THERE TRUE NATURAL ....GET PREP TO COMPETITION WITH FAT BURNER? WHY DO THEY USE EPHEDRINE?? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT TAKE MAJORITY OF THE WATER OUT AND THE LITTLE FAT DOWN TO 6% OR IF HORMONIZED DOWN TO 4%
READ WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AGAIN AND AGAIN OVER AND OVER
INSTED OF TAKING OUT HORMONES....YOU PLAY WITH THEM WHILE INCREASING EPHEDRINA DOSES!!!!!!!!! THIS IS WHAT NO ONE OF THE DANTAS CARE TO TELL YOU ..WITH HIM ITS BECAUSE HE IS PURE FAT BUT IN GENERAL NO ONE TELL YOU THAT BECAUSS THEY DO NOT GIVE A FLYING BALONIE ABOUT YOU ,,
IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT SHOW SHOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW THOSE 9% EUROSOS HAVE,, AND IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT WOULD PUT SOMEONE LIKE JOE AT DRY 7% IF NOT 6... AND IT IS THE EPHEDRINE THAT PUT US BODYBUILDER READY AS IN DRIERRRRR WHEN ON MEGA DOSE HORMONES...AND THEN DIURETIC APPLICATION ,,
GET IT IN YOUR FUCKIN HEAD ALREADY ,, YOU ARE NOT SLOW I KNOW YOU ARE NOT SLOW BUT YOU ACT SLOW TO KEEP GOING ABOUT THIS BALONIE
I AM NEVER WRONG ABOUT BODYFAT,,
THE ONLY DIFF IS THE DRY FELLAS USE EPHEDRINA AND FAT BURNERS OF THE SUCH ....EPHEDRINA WILL ALSO DO SOMETHING LIKE MOST SERIOUS AMPHETAMINES WILL DO AND IT IS REDUCE WATER REDUCE FINAL BODYFAT% AND! ANDDDDDDDD! WILL ADD ADDDDDDDDDDDDD SOME WEIGHT TO YOU IN THE FORM OF PRESERVED MUSCLE AND PUMP DRY PUMP IN THE MUSCLE THAT WILL EXPEND THE MUSCLE AND VOLUMIZE IT FROM WITHIN ....YES YES THE FACT ABOUT CLENBUTEROL ABILITY TO EXPEND THE MUSCLE FROM WITHIN IS TRUE BUT IT IS WAY BETTER WITH EPHEDRINA AND DONE BY US BODYBUILDERS ALL THE TIME,,
YOU EAT CLEAN AND TRY TO GET INTO COMPETITION MODE....
THEN EAT WHATEVER AND USE EPHEDRINE...PREFEREBLY WITH AAS..
AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU END UP LIKE,,
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU WILL END UP LIKE PUPILS..
190+LB ON STAGE WITH EPHEDRINE
185 LB ON STAGE WITH OUT IT!
EPHEDRINE IS OUR SECRET TO EVERYTHING RELATED TO DRYNESS AND THE REDUCTION OF WATER FROM OTHER HORMONES....THIS IS A SECRET THAT AGAIN NO ONE TELL YOU BALONIE ABOUT BECAUSE NO ONE GIVE A FLYING FUCK WETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT...THEY ARE ALL COCROCHES WHO DONT CARE ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES
WHAT DO YOU THINK GET PHILSULINA NOW TO BE IN SHAPE? THE GH? OFCOURSE IT KEEP HIM LEAN ....BUT WHAT GET HIM HARD?? FUCKIN MEGA DOSE EPHEDRINA AND AMPHTAMINE,, FELLA IS AS HIGH AS A KITE,,
LEARN YOUR FUCKIN BODYBUILDING AND HOW WE MANIPULATR WATER WITH EATING FREE OF WORRY !
YOU FELLAS REALLY NEED TO LEARN YOUR BODYBUILD AND BODYFAT AND WATER,, LOTS OF MISGUDED SOULS IN THIS TREAD ,, THIS IS NOT GOOD
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no,, since i know how the industry work ,, since i been doing this for so many years and been the subject of those pictures at time when younger....since i know how much those picture make fellas like sagi kalev appear bigger when sagi is not very big,, since i know how the before and afteer picture are taken and used to be taken within 4 weeks of eachother ,,since i know all of the methods used including photoshoping and air brushing ...i can garentee you liar priest is not fat there,, HE IS FATTER THAN YOU USED TO SEE HIM ,, he is 12% ,,some will say 15% yes..but no he is 12% 12-13% the water is what make you fellas think he is 20-22% ,, the the water,, but even fellas not experienced much with bodybuild and hormones will tell you that he is 15% there,, they are wrong but even them will say it is 15% which is not 20% ,,
first thing when you look at this fella you think in the terms of HUGE,, little man but HUGE,, no one think in terms of huge thick muscle if someone is fat,, when you see samoan fellas you dont think in terms of huge thick muscles,, you think in terms of FATZOS big heavy fatzos,, in liar priest case you think in terms of big thick muscle in the so call fat pictures,, they were done specifically for a reason ,, it was done on special request to sell a produt and OHHH IT DID
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Believe what u will...but aside from the occasional advil and caffiene...lifetime natural....41 years old today...gotta post before i out grow my childish vanity and/or my metabolism/dicipline starts acting it's age
....what's your guess...would be sweet if it was 4.1 for symmetry sake...
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Believe what u will...but aside from the occasional advil and caffiene...lifetime natural....41 years old today...gotta post before i out grow my childish vanity and/or my metabolism/dicipline starts acting it's age
....what's your guess...would be sweet if it was 4.1 for symmetry sake...
You look fantastic.....Doubt the nattie claim though, unless you ARE the guy with the best genetics in the world.
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Believe what u will...but aside from the occasional advil and caffiene...lifetime natural....41 years old today...gotta post before i out grow my childish vanity and/or my metabolism/dicipline starts acting it's age
....what's your guess...would be sweet if it was 4.1 for symmetry sake...
lol believe what he you want what? this is amphetamine physiqe,, like every natural out there that get anywhere and can reduce bodyfat and water
again i will repeat it once again ,, for everyone to see and get it in their head,,
HUMAN PHYSIQE EXPLAINED
GROW = HORMONES
CUT = SPECIFIC HORMONES AND AMPHETAMINES
can you get dry and hard with 6 pack at dry 5-6% naturaly? yes you can ...will it ever be truly natural? no it wont ,, why? because your sorry ass will use amphetamine in some form or another,,
you fellas need to understand the way the human body work,,
amphetamines such as ephedrine is the reason you see dry hard look on bodybuilder,,notice what happen first week you are on it...first 2 days lol first day! you hear in the gym if you are going to compete soon lol and this is after a day or 2 on ephedrina lol if you got some muscle ofcourse...but even if not always look leaner and better,,and the weight ...the good ole weight doesnt decrease ,, it decrease a little then stabelize then climb up few lb while at the same time lean you the fuck out and make you both drier and harder,,
this is the all secret of bodybuild ...knowing how to use amphetamines and hormones together ,, i can not believe i still need to reapet this,,
what do you think fellas just walk 200lb dry 6%? lol i dont think many of you even know what it is to be detailed conditioned 6% dry if you think you can do it compeltely naturaly lol ,, even the true natrual use some amphetamines either via supp company who sell it legaly under the radar or via americana walmart ephedrina
i keep tellin you ephedrine make physiqe impressive ,, if you are on hormones you wil be shredded dry and everyone will be complimenting you
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lol believe what he you want what? this is amphetamine physiqe,, like every natural out there that get anywhere and can reduce bodyfat and water
again i will repeat it once again ,, for everyone to see and get it in their head,,
HUMAN PHYSIQE EXPLAINED
GROW = HORMONES
CUT = SPECIFIC HORMONES AND AMPHETAMINES
can you get dry and hard with 6 pack at dry 5-6% naturaly? yes you can ...will it ever be truly natural? no it wont ,, why? because your sorry ass will use amphetamine in some form or another,,
you fellas need to understand the way the human body work,,
amphetamines such as ephedrine is the reason you see dry hard look on bodybuilder,,notice what happen first week you are on it...first 2 days lol first day! you hear in the gym if you are going to compete soon lol and this is after a day or 2 on ephedrina lol if you got some muscle ofcourse...but even if not always look leaner and better,,and the weight ...the good ole weight doesnt decrease ,, it decrease a little then stabelize then climb up few lb while at the same time lean you the fuck out and make you both drier and harder,,
this is the all secret of bodybuild ...knowing how to use amphetamines and hormones together ,, i can not believe i still need to reapet this,,
what do you think fellas just walk 200lb dry 6%? lol i dont think many of you even know what it is to be detailed conditioned 6% dry if you think you can do it compeltely naturaly lol ,, even the true natrual use some amphetamines either via supp company who sell it legaly under the radar or via americana walmart ephedrina
i keep tellin you ephedrine make physiqe impressive ,, if you are on hormones you wil be shredded dry and everyone will be complimenting you
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Isnt Clen better than ephedrine??
I mean,, i've always thought that 'cause clen was anti-catabolic and stuff..
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ephedrine is the only thing I ever used.
I don't have the genes to ever look big, or even cut really, I always carry a layer of water on me, but when I was at an old friend's birthday party she kept remarking on how built I look. I was like, I always trained, and she goes, but you never looked like this. I don't know if the differences are even measurable... I would say I had a little bit more thickness in my shoulder and chest area, and most importantly when I wasn't wearing my shirt the "shelf" that gh15 talks about only existed when I was on ephedrine. There was more pop in my chest and shoulders for sure. Even now I wanna say it was the training that did it, but how can that be, I always trained, it's gotta be the epherine
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Isnt Clen better than ephedrine??
I mean,, i've always thought that 'cause clen was anti-catabolic and stuff..
who told you ephedrine is catabolic? lol you either dont eat enough ,, or just use bunch load of it ,, epehdrine is better than clenbuterol infact MUCH better and much less risky
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Ok so when it comes to the T MET look (tren, test, mast, equip.) are guys doing this in the offseason with gh and slin or are they switching to the test/deca/dbol type cycles for offseason.
Also what happens because I have a preworkout from back in the day that still has ephedrine in it (kranker) so is it a bad idea to still use that in the offseason?
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ephedrine is the only thing I ever used.
I don't have the genes to ever look big, or even cut really, I always carry a layer of water on me, but when I was at an old friend's birthday party she kept remarking on how built I look. I was like, I always trained, and she goes, but you never looked like this. I don't know if the differences are even measurable... I would say I had a little bit more thickness in my shoulder and chest area, and most importantly when I wasn't wearing my shirt the "shelf" that gh15 talks about only existed when I was on ephedrine. There was more pop in my chest and shoulders for sure. Even now I wanna say it was the training that did it, but how can that be, I always trained, it's gotta be the epherine
what it was is the low bodyfat and lower water retention ,, and what did that ws the ephedrina and whatever else you were on ,,
girls dont see anything other than what they can see infront of their eyes,, same in gymnasium ,, you can se 240b fellas 12% looking at 180lb 6% fellas with jelousy in their eyes ,, why? because the muscles can be seen ,, the sculpted defined conditioned structures muscle can be seen and if you are build well and symetric and have the condition and the lean quality to yoru muscle ...even if it is not very big it will APEAR BIG,,
remember bodybuild is illusion ...you want to see the detail ,, you want to see it because this is only thing fellas out of the street can notice,, you cant walk to fellas in the street tell them ...excuse me sir but can you compliment me ...i have this deep lines in my delts and traps you just cant see it right now because im in offseason mod...but please just compliment me tell me if im a bodybuilder please sir,, can you please ask me if i compete....
doesnt work this way my friends,, you comment ONLY on what you can see,, unless you are a bodybuilder...then its diff because we know what to look for but most people are no bodybuilders ...they want to see! to see!
there is NO offseason
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Ok so when it comes to the T MET look (tren, test, mast, equip.) are guys doing this in the offseason with gh and slin or are they switching to the test/deca/dbol type cycles for offseason.
Also what happens because I have a preworkout from back in the day that still has ephedrine in it (kranker) so is it a bad idea to still use that in the offseason?
there is no offseason ,, offseason and on season for 200lb bodybuilder should be 10-15lb from competition weight MAX!
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wait what???
How do I make gains if I'm always at 250 at 5'10" when I have guys who are 5'7" and getting up to 267 in the offseason.
Are you saying I shouldn't be getting over 250 if I compete at 215 to 220. I've qualified for nationals but haven't competed there yet most likely next year.
I mean it would be a lot easier to stay at 250 then trying to get to 300... :(
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Thanks Groink....GH15 used to use epedra years ago when it was legal in thermadrene...but i do hit an energy drink before my 2 hour cardio first thing in the a.m. and then another before afternoon weights/cardio...so yeah i guess not truly nattie, but who really is.....no sermons here....we all use what we something...but this is achievable with dicipline....i eat whatever i want...but cardio the big equalizer....thank god i'm an endorphin junkie
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again ,, a 5'7 that walk around 260 anything is NOT A BODYBUILDER! ,, there is a big debate what a bodybuilder is,, is it someone who just want more weight...or is it someone who want conditioend size...
the weight on a bodybuilder should always be 10-15lb from stage maybe 20-30 if really a profesional,,the fellas at top now day 50-60lb over their competition weight use A LOT ALOT of amphetamines and they are on mega dosing anything ,, the insulina made bodybuild a mess
a bodybuilder should always be in condition ,, doesnt hav eto be dry 6... but 6-8% semi dry to wet...you just cant expect to be taken seriously as bodybuilder if you wall 13-15% no matter how much you weight you can be 280lb 5'9 ...if you are 13-15% yes you will hear how huge you are how big how thick but the reality of the matter is the 200lb 6% will make you look like a fool
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I remember you saying something that if you wanted to see 230 at 4% ripped on stage that you needed to get to 280 at 10%. I never really understood this but what you're saying makes a lot of sense here.
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lol lunatik suckmymuscle is back ::)
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what it was is the low bodyfat and lower water retention ,, and what did that ws the ephedrina and whatever else you were on ,,
girls dont see anything other than what they can see infront of their eyes,, same in gymnasium ,, you can se 240b fellas 12% looking at 180lb 6% fellas with jelousy in their eyes ,, why? because the muscles can be seen ,, the sculpted defined conditioned structures muscle can be seen and if you are build well and symetric and have the condition and the lean quality to yoru muscle ...even if it is not very big it will APEAR BIG,,
remember bodybuild is illusion ...you want to see the detail ,, you want to see it because this is only thing fellas out of the street can notice,, you cant walk to fellas in the street tell them ...excuse me sir but can you compliment me ...i have this deep lines in my delts and traps you just cant see it right now because im in offseason mod...but please just compliment me tell me if im a bodybuilder please sir,, can you please ask me if i compete....
doesnt work this way my friends,, you comment ONLY on what you can see,, unless you are a bodybuilder...then its diff because we know what to look for but most people are no bodybuilders ...they want to see! to see!
there is NO offseason
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whatever else I'm on lol,
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Wasn't it mentioned in the bible years ago that you can stay on ephredrine and that it doesn't stop working and in fact increases it's effectiveness the longer you're on? I mean, Bronkaid is a medication for asthma and if it stop working over time that would mean trouble
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Wasn't it mentioned in the bible years ago that you can stay on ephredrine and that it doesn't stop working and in fact increases it's effectiveness the longer you're on? I mean, Bronkaid is a medication for asthma and if it stop working over time that would mean trouble
Yeah, I seem to remember reading that in an article online years ago so it would probably be correct.
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Yeah, I seem to remember reading that in an article online years ago so it would probably be correct.
Actually, everywhere else I've read you have to cycle it and after a while it loses it's effectiveness. You sure that "article" wasn't written by gh15 in the bible?
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Actually, everywhere else I've read you have to cycle it and after a while it loses it's effectiveness. You sure that "article" wasn't written by gh15 in the bible?
I read it when I was about 19 on a random website. I'm 23 I don't think the bible's been around that long?
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Wasn't it mentioned in the bible years ago that you can stay on ephredrine and that it doesn't stop working and in fact increases it's effectiveness the longer you're on? I mean, Bronkaid is a medication for asthma and if it stop working over time that would mean trouble
ephedrina never stop working ,, can stay on as long as you want,, but its nice to get off it when you reach yoru goal...
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By the way Gh15 what do you advise us to eat directly after workout when cutting/bulking? Especially if it's not possible to eat just rice and chicken directly after workout. Does protein shake and carbo make sense or should I avoid supplements and eat some bananas and don't give a fuck?
Also what is your take on excessive amount of protein? Is it really needed? I'm 166lbs first thing in the morning at 5'5'' with abs and I observed that I need just 4 whole eggs, 500g of chicken and 200g of cottage cheese for my protein and that's all. Do you advise everyone on hormones to follow high carb low fat diet? I found out that I retain much more size and strength when I go moderate/high fat with low carbs and moderate protein while loosing my bf at a steady pace.
O and I use low dose test and some deca, I'm not willing to use anything else maybe besides boldenone as I don't see any need to do that for my goals.
I'm gonna play with some ephedrine, I love it for exams (not studying, I don't need it, just for the day of the exam to help me focus) but it's hard to attain nowadays :/
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ephedrina never stop working ,, can stay on as long as you want,, but its nice to get off it when you reach yoru goal...
gh15 approved
can it be used for 14-15 days? 3-5-10 tabs a day ?
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whats my bf gh15? 10-11%??
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2gue6hv.jpg)
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ephedrina never stop working ,, can stay on as long as you want,, but its nice to get off it when you reach yoru goal...
gh15 approved
This is something I can attest for.
For all the people that NEED something on paper too, I believe there's some shit about beta 3 receptors being activated as well. Everyone says beta 2 receptors become desensitized, so if that's true (which is isn't) then the beta 3 theory should satisfy their concerns.
I'm only taking time off because I've been running it for a long while now and I want to take a break from all CNS stimulants and give my body as much rest as possible without actually stopping the gym (or juice). 8)
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if ephedrine stopped working asthma patients would drop dead like flies ....
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if ephedrine stopped working asthma patients would drop dead like flies ....
Good pupil elf.
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Taken today
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396123.0;attach=431128;image)
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Taken today
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396123.0;attach=431128;image)
Looking beautiful BigBobs ,
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Taken today
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396123.0;attach=431128;image)
Bobs, if I had a hunger for cocks I'd want to fuck you badly (no homo). ;D
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Looking beautiful BigBobs ,
Thanks Che you are quite the gorgeous mountain of muscle yourself
Bobs, if I had a hunger for cocks I'd want to fuck you badly (no homo). ;D
LOL was hoping you didn't put the disclaimer in brackets there
j/k
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Thanks Che you are quite the gorgeous mountain of muscle yourself
LOL was hoping you didn't put the disclaimer in brackets there
j/k
Damn Brah! What are your stats? Height and weight? You can definitely have a side career as a fitness model. That's the look the vast majority, both and men and women, prefer.The beautiful man with glasses must be proud.
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Damn Brah! What are your stats? Height and weight? You can definitely have a side career as a fitness model. That's the look the vast majority, both and men and women, prefer.The beautiful man with glasses must be proud.
Thanks Pellius, you look great for your age too. I'm 5'9 and a half, and I'm only 175 lbs, but I've been told by local competitors that I can pass for 200+ because of structure.
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Thanks Pellius, you look great! for your age too. I'm 5'9 and a half, and I'm only 175 lbs, but I've been told by local competitors that I can pass for 200+ because of structure.
Thanks! And I've been told that I look great because I'm not all big and muscle bound like those guys who life weights all the time. Makes it all worthwhile.
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its amphetamine,, you will get your heart rate up ,, you will get the high feel and the glossy eyes philsulina heath like,, you will have the shiney invinsible high bodybuilder look ,, but again as everything else it is dosed dependent,, to get problems from 1-2 tabs a day ...just wont happen ,,the thing is that bodybuildl abuse it they use 10 sometimes even more,, it depends on hwo mcuh shit they are on ,, this is where problems happen
one intake of 12.5 to 25 mg tablet of ephedrina wil create in your body a termo effect that NOTHING else will do ,,you will sit on couch heart wil increae slightly not bad ,, and you will have hives of heat but not in a bad way ...it will be like a good warm felling coming and going,, thats when you know you lose water and fat ,, water you will pee out fat will just melt to where you need it at,, as simple as that,,
reason you use more than 1-2 in higher levels is becauss ethey abuse tons of hormones ,,,when you use insulina 100+ iu a day ....you need lotta ephedrina lol and ofcourse with everythign if you really need lots of ephedrina then you are just not a bodybuilder you are a drug addict
you shoudl see big changes to final prep with 1-4 tabs a day of ephedrina ,, the fellas who use more are also the felas who haev problems and at times drop dead becuase they use other things just in the same manner of abuse,,
if you take 5 tabs of epehdrina a day and cant get superb condition then you are not a bodybuilder and just a fat ass,, 1-2 single tab devided to 2 doses within 5-7 days should make bodybuild of 200lb drier and harder and if 6% or under pretty much ready,, this is 1-2 tablets a day
gh15 approved
How important is taking aspirin and caffeine with Bronkaid? Can you just take Bronkaid alone and how much does the aspirin and caffeine enhance the thermogenic effect? And why aren't all asthma patients dry and ripped?
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How important is taking aspirin and caffeine with Bronkaid? Can you just take Bronkaid alone and how much does the aspirin and caffeine enhance the thermogenic effect? And why aren't all asthma patients dry and ripped?
I'm thinking of hitting eca as well. I'm lean now, but I want that little bit extra where you look ripped, but still full
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What would you guys and gh15 say this guys bodyfat is on the right hand side after pictures is?
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id say 8% kinda small pic.
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What would you guys and gh15 say this guys bodyfat is on the right hand side after pictures is?
12%
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Twink...
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12-14% light not great
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right...and i dare you to try and put on 10 pounds of muscle on your diet....you semi-starve yourself...your'e just REALLY skinny...you look good, standing by yourself in your very favourably lighted pics....if you stood next to someone my size you would be embarrased
Contrary to most posters here (regarding bodybuilding), I respect you a lot. At least we know that you work out and know what you're talking about. Whether you think I know too is up to you but I asure you, I do.
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I'm thinking of hitting eca as well. I'm lean now, but I want that little bit extra where you look ripped, but still full
you are ripped,, you are not only lean ,, you are at ripped stage,, avoid eca and go higher on trenbolona ,, eca will get you too high cacaine style and you dont need it at this stage since you dont go to compete right now,, hgiher trenbolona masterona added and should do the trickreduction of testosterona will also do the trick whiel increasing trenbolona
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Over ten years of bodybuilding and you are 64kg?
You should have gone into ice skating instead.
How would you know how much I weighed at what bodyfat in the past?
At least I have shown my pictures.
It's my experience that everything before that is empty talk.
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At least I have shown my pictures.
So, what does that change?
I said it before, it's called bodyBUILDING, not bodyWASTING.
You should BUILD a lot of muscle at very low bf, not waste yourself from a fat 85kg to some anorexic 64kg. Any model can do that.
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So, what does that change?
I said it before, it's called bodyBUILDING, not bodyWASTING.
You should BUILD a lot of muscle at very low bf, not waste yourself from a fat 85kg to some anorexic 64kg. Any model can do that.
LOL.
I have explained myself many times. You make too many incorrect assumptions.
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LOL.
I have explained myself many times. You make too many incorrect assumptions.
keep your wise ass shit to yourself, you have made the same "explanations" many times, yet you fail to come clear with the statement that what you are doing has NOTHING to do with bodybuilding, everyone can starve himself to low bodyfat levels, the point is to KEEP your muscle, build bigger muscle.
A thing you can't do and fail to grasp, it's not the point to look like an anorexic girl, you want to look BIG and muscular, not some fucking 140lbs. You can compete in Japanese female BB with this weight, i bet you look good beneath all the 150cm girls that are more muscular than you are.
(http://www.bodybuilderfemales.com/images/tomoko-kanda.jpg)
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keep your wise ass shit to yourself, you have made the same "explanations" many times, yet you fail to come clear with the statement that what you are doing has NOTHING to do with bodybuilding, everyone can starve himself to low bodyfat levels, the point is to KEEP your muscle, build bigger muscle.
A thing you can't do and fail to grasp, it's not the point to look like an anorexic girl, you want to look BIG and muscular, not some fucking 140lbs. You can compete in Japanese female BB with this weight, i bet you look good beneath all the 150cm girls that are more muscular than you are.
OK dad, I will keep my wise ass shit to myself.
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OK dad, I will keep my wise ass shit to myself.
Still evading the point here, it's not bodyWASTING, there is no point to starve yourself to some anorexic 140lbs, you don't seem to get that.
Anybody can do it, by your standards Auschwitz was the biggest bodybuilding contest ever.
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Still evading the point here, it's not bodyWASTING, there is no point to starve yourself to some anorexic 140lbs, you don't seem to get that.
Anybody can do it, by your standards Auschwitz was the biggest bodybuilding contest ever.
As I said, you base your judgement on incorrect assumptions.
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As I said, you base your judgement on incorrect assumptions.
Maybe you should make a point instead of typing this bullshit.
I am right about bodybuilding, YOU are the one that doesn't get it. You may be a great underwear model, but it has NOTHING to do with bodybuilding what you are doing. If it had, the smallest one in the Mr O would win, the most ripped one. But that is not the case.
You're anorexic, you're no bodybuilder.
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Maybe you should make a point instead of typing this bullshit.
I am right about bodybuilding, YOU are the one that doesn't get it. You may be a great underwear model, but it has NOTHING to do with bodybuilding what you are doing. If it had, the smallest one in the Mr O would win, the most ripped one. But that is not the case.
You're anorexic, you're no bodybuilder.
What point should I make that hasn't already been made? I explained many times why my total weight was rather low when taking the pictures, I had lots of small injuries and was far from my best regarding strength and muscle size when I started the diet. I never starved myself from "fat" 85kg to 65kg, I was about 75kg (as far as I can remember) when I started. I just went for it anyway knowing that I would only be able to keep the rather small muscle mass I had left at that point.
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What point should I make that hasn't already been made? I explained many times why my total weight was rather low when taking the pictures, I had lots of small injuries and was far from my best regarding strength and muscle size when I started the diet. I never starved myself from "fat" 85kg to 65kg, I was about 72kg when I started. I just went for it anyway knowing that I would only be able to keep the rather small muscle mass I had left at that point.
Which has, as i have stated, NOTHING to do with bodybuilding, so simply STFU about your "diet" ideas on this board.
You can go over to anorexicmodels.com, but they all live by your "diet" there, stuff yourself once a day with shitty food and starve for the rest of the day.
You should try and compete one day, then you will maybe understand just how important a proper diet is when you want to keep your muscles and don't look like a girl on stage.
You simply don't get it, wavelength.
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Which has, as i have stated, NOTHING to do with bodybuilding, so simply STFU about your "diet" ideas on this board.
You can go over to anorexicmodels.com, but they all live by your "diet" there, stuff yourself once a day with shitty food and starve for the rest of the day.
You should try and compete one day, then you will maybe understand just how important a proper diet is when you want to keep your muscles and don't look like a girl on stage.
You simply don't get it, wavelength.
You made it obvious many times that you are not interested in what I have to say. I can live with that.
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You made it obvious many times that you are not interested in what I have to say. I can live with that.
You're still evading the point that is to discuss here, so the same could be said about you.
You are no bodybuilder, you're some anorexic dude that could pass as a underwear model, in good lighting and in close-up, with your head edited out of the picture so you can't see how pathetically narrow you are.
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You're still evading the point that is to discuss here, so the same could be said about you.
It wasn't a complaint, just an observation. And yes, the same could be said about me.
You are no bodybuilder, you're some anorexic dude that could pass as a underwear model, in good lighting and in close-up, with your head edited out of the picture so you can't see how pathetically narrow you are.
If we would judge the value of someone's opinion on diet and bodybuilding based on what pictures he has or hasn't posted of himself, I think we would both have to be judged equally bad.
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If we would judge the value of someone's opinion on diet and bodybuilding based on what pictures he has or hasn't posted of himself, I think we would both have to be judged equally bad.
You're pretty wrong in this regard.
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You're pretty wrong in this regard.
Why? I have posted pictures that have nothing to do with bodybuilding (according to you) and you haven't posted any pictures (at least not that I know of). So if we base our judgement on that, I don't think anyone wins.
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Why? I have posted pictures that have nothing to do with bodybuilding (according to you) and you haven't posted any pictures (at least not that I know of). So if we base our judgement on that, I don't think anyone wins.
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If that makes you sleep better....
But it doesn't change the fact that you look like a little girl.
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This thread is all about:
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If that makes you sleep better....
But it doesn't change the fact that you look like a little girl.
You don't know what I look or looked like in the past except for the time when I took those pictures. Just as we don't know what you look or looked like at any point in time.
And I sleep perfectly well, thanks for asking!
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Hey guys, just a 19 yr old from Australia, been waiting forever to get accepted to be able to post here! finally get to be apart of the getbig family :D anyway here are acouple pics im just curious to see what im hanging around here during my offseason, hopefully going to do a comp next year, im around 215,220 in these pics..
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2je4h3b.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/20aevpl.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/13zxwyr.jpg)
You look great man. Only 19? props to you.
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Thanks man, seen some of your pics around the place to, definately got some good size from possible memory are you cutting now? and yeah I turn 20 next august
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What cycles have you done so far?
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Im into my second one now but I only had a break of around 4-6 weeks from my first, did no pct was just a little break and some time off training to just get back into the swing of things, very interested in competing and trying to make something of it if possible, basically been on for the most part of this year since march, but always switched up added, dropped compounds etc, had down time off, had rest
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Im into my second one now but I only had a break of around 4-6 weeks from my first, did no pct was just a little break and some time off training to just get back into the swing of things, very interested in competing and trying to make something of it if possible, basically been on for the most part of this year since march, but always switched up added, dropped compounds etc, had down time off, had rest
what compounds and dosages please.
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Looking good mate 8)
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Pretty much testosterone, have never gone over 750 mg's have run boldenone never gone over 600 mg's. im currently on 750 testosterone per week, 300-350 mg tren per week, and was on 50 mg anadrol, per day in those pics, but have switched to 40 mg dianabol since, obviously had afew weeks break in between while comming of the orals, ran boldenone in my previous cycle but dropped it, and couldnt afford to run it with tren aswell, at the current time.
Looks great, especially for that age!
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Good build. Crush those arms and back every week!
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So to make things abit more clear
per week
750 mg testosterone enenthate
300-350 mg tren
40 mg dianabol ed
very good shape dude especially at 19yo, legs are crazy! i did exact same first cycle as you but you destroy me lol
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Thanks alot for the kind replys guys, hearing that type of stuff really motivates and encourages me even more
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Wheels look great. Next time u post pic do mandatory poses.
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Thanks alot for the kind replys guys, hearing that type of stuff really motivates and encourages me even more
You are GetBig approved. A rare accomplishment for someone just making his debut. Don't squander our good will. It doesn't come easily. We are a very unforgiving bunch.
Welcome to the Thunder Dome, Bitch!
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Looking good, vasilios. Follow gh15's advices and you'll go far. You're very lucky to be doing things correctly right out of the gate so definitely keep up the good work.
Remember there are lots of advices out there, but make sure to keep following the right advices. Welcome to Getbig. And go fuck yourself too :)
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Hey guys, just a 19 yr old from Australia, been waiting forever to get accepted to be able to post here! finally get to be apart of the getbig family :D anyway here are acouple pics im just curious to see what im hanging around here during my offseason, hopefully going to do a comp next year, im around 215,220 in these pics..
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2je4h3b.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/20aevpl.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/13zxwyr.jpg)
great wheels vasilios!
also there seems to be a lot of estrogen round here atm, never seen such a pink frilly thonged wearing welcoming comitee before ;D very ungetbig like
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You take drugs because you feel inadequate they work. Period.
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actually it's me with less water... 1 tab of atd as an ai everyday on top of 400mg test and 400mg of deca.
normally im even more bloated.
what should I do to drop water? i wont take tren, its out of option.
im gonna introduce ephedrine in few weeks... and thats it. diet wise it is as following:
100g of rice, 100g of oats, 2 whole eggs, 3 egg whites (big eggs - 70g each), 400-500g of chicken breasts, some olive oil. I don't really need much calories since I'm endomorphic.
My lifts: deadlift 190x3, barbell row 120x6, db shoulder press 40kg x 2, back squat 160x3 ass to grass, front squat 120x3. bodyweight 77kg after breakfast, height 5'5''.
doing 30 minutes of cardio after workout 3 times a week (some bcaas before it i know its bullshit but im kinda scared not to take it lol), tried 45 mins but it felt kinda worse for some reason.
UH, ATD (I am assuming Novedex XT or clone) will not drop your estrogen. It will increase testosterone levels and prevent a usual estrogen level increase.
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UH, ATD (I am assuming Novedex XT or clone) will not drop your estrogen. It will increase testosterone levels and prevent a usual estrogen level increase.
ATD is an irreversible aromatase inhibitor. Not a strong one, but still it is.
Please educate yourself.
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USE LASIX AND GO FROM 14% to 6% BF!!!!!
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ATD is an irreversible aromatase inhibitor. Not a strong one, but still it is.
Please educate yourself.
Its a "precursor" to Aromasin but an underdeveloped one at best thats why Gaspari was able to grab it for free from research archives. I've read multiple studies about ATD and it does NOT decrease estrogen levels.
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/novedexarticle_153_114.pdf
pg 104
Furthermore, in the Novedex group we did not observe decreases
in estrogen levels during the supplementation period but, rather, overall average
nonsignificant (P > 0.05) increases of 27%, 24%, and 7%, respectively, for E1,
E2, and E3. N
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Its a "precursor" to Aromasin but an underdeveloped one at best thats why Gaspari was able to grab it for free from research archives. I've read multiple studies about ATD and it does NOT decrease estrogen levels.
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/novedexarticle_153_114.pdf
pg 104
You can copy and paste snippets from abstracts but it doesn't change the fact that it's great for estrogen control - or however people want to classify it.
I actually use it when my estrogen gets out of hand and I'm bloated. It works very well. I found some cheap ATD online from a supplement site and to my surprise it shipped to Canada despite the ban here. It works a lot better than some other ancillaries I've used and it's cheap as well.
A lot of people scoff at it because of how it was marketed, but I don't give a shit about that. All I know is that ATD is a good, cheap compound that does what a lot of people need. And that's what is important. Hairs can be split over whether it actually inhibits estrogen or not, but it works damn fine for what I use it for.
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You can copy and paste snippets from abstracts but it doesn't change the fact that it's great for estrogen control - or however people want to classify it.
I actually use it when my estrogen gets out of hand and I'm bloated. It works very well. I found some cheap ATD online from a supplement site and to my surprise it shipped to Canada despite the ban here. It works a lot better than some other ancillaries I've used and it's cheap as well.
A lot of people scoff at it because of how it was marketed, but I don't give a shit about that. All I know is that ATD is a good, cheap compound that does what a lot of people need. And that's what is important. Hairs can be split over whether it actually inhibits estrogen or not, but it works damn fine for what I use it for.
You use it on cycle? From what I've read its not supposed to reduce estrogen in a direct way like aromasin or letro. It just stops the test increase = estrogen increase feedback loop in the hypothalamus besides signalling your body to produce more test in the same way. I am guessing ATD can also work during cycle to reduce the excess estrogen thats produced from test conversion, if ATD tells your brain your test is low, conversion will stop. Sadly, I don't remember anyone testing ATD in bbers who were running a cycle and looking to keep estrogen/test down.
I personally use ATD in combo with Adex or Aromasin when I'm off cycle for maximum maintenance of gains.
anyways, anyone know where to buy atd in bulk?
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You use it on cycle? From what I've read its not supposed to reduce estrogen in a direct way like aromasin or letro. It just stops the test increase = estrogen increase feedback loop in the hypothalamus besides signalling your body to produce more test in the same way.
I use it on cycle because it's cheap and works for me. I take no AIs unless I really start bloating and nipples get puffy. A couple caps of bulk ATD does the trick and I go for weeks without needing anything else.
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Looks great, especially for that age!
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Welcome fellow aussie. ;D
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do you recommend ECA for a natty just looking to get the abs showing? Or will this just eat away at muscle?
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You use it on cycle? From what I've read its not supposed to reduce estrogen in a direct way like aromasin or letro. It just stops the test increase = estrogen increase feedback loop in the hypothalamus besides signalling your body to produce more test in the same way. I am guessing ATD can also work during cycle to reduce the excess estrogen thats produced from test conversion, if ATD tells your brain your test is low, conversion will stop. Sadly, I don't remember anyone testing ATD in bbers who were running a cycle and looking to keep estrogen/test down.
I personally use ATD in combo with Adex or Aromasin when I'm off cycle for maximum maintenance of gains.
anyways, anyone know where to buy atd in bulk?
You don't even understand how it works...
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do you recommend ECA for a natty just looking to get the abs showing? Or will this just eat away at muscle?
umm,, eca will not eat away muscle,,, it help you lean out and PRESEVRVE muscle as 'natutral',,,
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You don't even understand how it works...
Enlighten me bro
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Enlighten me bro
How does Aromasin increase free testosterone? How does it influence test levels? How estrogen is created, what enzyme is needed? What does AI do?
If you answer those questions you will know coz it's same mechanism, coz it's same compound - aromatase inhibitor. ATD DOES have other characteristics such as very light antiandrogen, BUT it's still an aromatase inhbitor.
There's no "I kill estrogen compound"... There are aromatase inhbitors and selective estrogen receptor modulators. ATD is the first one.
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umm,, eca will not eat away muscle,,, it help you lean out and PRESEVRVE muscle as 'natutral',,,
I consider myself natural until I start taking hormones... ECA is not exactly going to make me huge.
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I consider myself natural until I start taking hormones... ECA is not exactly going to make me huge.
Stupid natural organization blurred the lines on what's natural and what's not. You're only "not natural" once you take exogenous hormones in my eyes.
These days though, pretty much anything under a gram of AAS is pretty much considered as being natural still. Not until you abuse hormonas in the gram ranges does it really count as "juicing". 8)
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what the fuck eca, go to wall greens get bronkaid split the pills in half take half a pill 3-4 times a day, what the fuck you stacking it with aspirin and caffeine for
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I consider myself natural until I start taking hormones... ECA is not exactly going to make me huge.
that was not my point,, as I said eca will not eat away your muscle,, it actually help you keep it,,
also as mentioned you can drop /A/,,
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wow one of the best threads ever!
will post a pic as soon as i can see my abs very clearly again ;D
right i would estimate 15%
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what the fuck eca, go to wall greens get bronkaid split the pills in half take half a pill 3-4 times a day, what the fuck you stacking it with aspirin and caffeine for
well... i don't take the aspirin... but why wouldn't I take it with caffeine? The two together are shown to have a synergistic effect when it comes to burning fat?
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they have a synergistic effect for putting money in people's wallets who sell pills
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How does Aromasin increase free testosterone? How does it influence test levels? How estrogen is created, what enzyme is needed? What does AI do?
If you answer those questions you will know coz it's same mechanism, coz it's same compound - aromatase inhibitor. ATD DOES have other characteristics such as very light antiandrogen, BUT it's still an aromatase inhbitor.
There's no "I kill estrogen compound"... There are aromatase inhbitors and selective estrogen receptor modulators. ATD is the first one.
I know the answers and I keep telling you ATD does not work like Aromasin. That is why there was NO decrease in estrogen levels in Novedex XT study.