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There was an interesting article in the June 6, 1897 issue of the New York times that detailed Eugene Sandow`s diet verified by the Office of Experimentation in The Department of Agriculture.
His diet was extremely Carb Heavy at 502 grams. Overall calories per day for him were 4462 including Beer and Cigarettes and Ice Cream and Cake and Butter and Wine and Bread Pudding :)
The Department of Agriculture also calculated the diet for regular laborers, children and students etc...
We find that their average caloric intake in 1897 was certainly higher than todays purported average intake which is quite interesting. Clearly their entire lifestyle was different and much less sedentary. Some may find this article as interesting as I did.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A03E7DE123CE433A25755C0A9609C94669ED7CF
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Don`t agree with Sandow`s Diet? ???
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A03E7DE123CE433A25755C0A9609C94669ED7CF
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i'm up to near 4000 cals and i'm staying lean
not sure how long it will last though, as i'll probably have to drop back down to about 3000 cals in order not to become a fatass
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Don`t agree with Sandow`s Diet? ???
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A03E7DE123CE433A25755C0A9609C94669ED7CF
Not taking the bait. ;D
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As I recall he didn't live very long.
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As I recall he didn't live very long.
His diet didn`t kill him.
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His diet didn`t kill him.
Proof?
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(http://www.amazingmaxick.com/EugeneSandow.jpg)
There was an interesting article in the June 6, 1897 issue of the New York times that detailed Eugene Sandow`s diet verified by the Office of Experimentation in The Department of Agriculture.
His diet was extremely Carb Heavy at 502 grams. Overall calories per day for him were 4462 including Beer and Cigarettes and Ice Cream and Cake and Butter and Wine and Bread Pudding :)
The Department of Agriculture also calculated the diet for regular laborers, children and students etc...
We find that their average caloric intake in 1897 was certainly higher than todays purported average intake which is quite interesting. Clearly their entire lifestyle was different and much less sedentary. Some may find this article as interesting as I did.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A03E7DE123CE433A25755C0A9609C94669ED7CF
Feel free to quit reading at "he died of a stroke at age 58"
Sandow died in London on October 14, 1925 of a stroke at age 58.[1][11]
He was buried in an unmarked grave in Putney Vale Cemetery at the request of his wife, Blanche. In 2002, a gravestone and black marble plaque was added by Sandow admirer and author Thomas Manly. The inscription (in gold letters) read "Eugen Sandow, 1867-1925 the Father of Bodybuilding."
In 2008, the grave was purchased by Chris Davies, Sandow's great-great-grandson. Manly's items were replaced for the anniversary of Eugen Sandow's birth that year and a new monument, a one and a half ton natural pink sandstone monolith was put in its place. The stone, simply inscribed "SANDOW" (written vertically), is a reference to the ancient Greek funerary monuments called steles.
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Proof?
Where is the proof that his diet killed him?
Kurt Vonnegut had a much worse diet and didn`t even lift, yet out lived Sandow.
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Feel free to quit reading at "he died of a stroke at age 58"
Sandow died in London on October 14, 1925 of a stroke at age 58.[1][11]
He was buried in an unmarked grave in Putney Vale Cemetery at the request of his wife, Blanche. In 2002, a gravestone and black marble plaque was added by Sandow admirer and author Thomas Manly. The inscription (in gold letters) read "Eugen Sandow, 1867-1925 the Father of Bodybuilding."
In 2008, the grave was purchased by Chris Davies, Sandow's great-great-grandson. Manly's items were replaced for the anniversary of Eugen Sandow's birth that year and a new monument, a one and a half ton natural pink sandstone monolith was put in its place. The stone, simply inscribed "SANDOW" (written vertically), is a reference to the ancient Greek funerary monuments called steles.
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Florence Griffith died at 38.
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yeah and also 254 grams of protein, that's a lot. besides, didn't he exercise pretty much all day errday? 4400 calories isn't really *that* much, i could routinely eat 5000 in my dirty bulking days without breaking a sweat.
also the effects of alcohol and cigs on muscle growth are grossly over-exaggerated.
also, all you guys saying he died at 58, considering the average life expectancy back then was around 50, i'd say he did pretty damn well.
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i'm up to near 4000 cals and i'm staying lean
not sure how long it will last though, as i'll probably have to drop back down to about 3000 cals in order not to become a fatass
seriously dude- do you not ever get tired of making every thread you post in- in some way shape or form- about 'you'?
sorry. redundant question.
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yeah and also 254 grams of protein, that's a lot. besides, didn't he exercise pretty much all day errday? 4400 calories isn't really *that* much, i could routinely eat 5000 in my dirty bulking days without breaking a sweat.
also the effects of alcohol and cigs on muscle growth are grossly over-exaggerated.
also, all you guys saying he died at 58, considering the average life expectancy back then was around 50, i'd say he did pretty damn well.
This does not make any sense actually because the MAX LIFESPAN has not changed much at all since then.
The Average Life Span was lower back then due to the average being skewed by diseases such as Small Pox and death of of women during child birth, deaths at child birth, and infant death. This brought the Average Lifespan down incredibly. The MAX Lifespan though has changed very little.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Flo_Jo.JPG)
Florence Griffith died at 38.
Yep...I guess it boils down to genetics..right? But in sandows day, training was much different, much harder. Things come around back in full circle, like back then, people are doing more full body training. Do you actually think he trained for specifically bodybuilding they do now or even back in the 40's or 50's? Hell no. Much like crossfit, they had very little idea on what to do, however, they did know that whatever they were doing (mostly strongman stuff, gymnastics, etc) worked. Also, I think I read somewhere Sandow was not that big of a man. Again Adam..genetics
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Where is the proof that his diet killed him?
Kurt Vonnegut had a much worse diet and didn`t even lift, yet out lived Sandow.
Genetic predisposition brought on by lifestyle, cigarettes and diet. As few as 1 to 4 cigs can doublet the risk of stroke and high sugar consumption will cause inflammation of the arteries. He was a walking time bomb. Being lean is no indication of health Adam!,,,,
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yeah and also 254 grams of protein, that's a lot. besides, didn't he exercise pretty much all day errday? 4400 calories isn't really *that* much, i could routinely eat 5000 in my dirty bulking days without breaking a sweat.
also the effects of alcohol and cigs on muscle growth are grossly over-exaggerated.
also, all you guys saying he died at 58, considering the average life expectancy back then was around 50, i'd say he did pretty damn well.
exactly, he burned the calories he consumed.
and didnt he die from an aneurysm while trying to pull a car out of a ditch?
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yeah and also 254 grams of protein, that's a lot. besides, didn't he exercise pretty much all day errday? 4400 calories isn't really *that* much, i could routinely eat 5000 in my dirty bulking days without breaking a sweat.
also the effects of alcohol and cigs on muscle growth are grossly over-exaggerated.
also, all you guys saying he died at 58, considering the average life expectancy back then was around 50, i'd say he did pretty damn well.
http://www.livescience.com/10569-human-lifespans-constant-2-000-years.html
Article:
Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years
But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.
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No way he ate 4500 daily. It's very simple to figure out how many calories he had to eat to maintain and how much exercise per day to burn off the excess.
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http://www.livescience.com/10569-human-lifespans-constant-2-000-years.html
Article:
Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years
But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.
This is correct. People re NOT living longer.
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No way he ate 4500 daily. It's very simple to figure out how many calories he had to eat to maintain and how much exercise per day to burn off the excess.
He did. The average person back then was eating 3000-4000 plus calories (more than what people eat today actually on average). They were moving a lot more and doing a lot more. No sitting around.
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Check out the Diet Recommendations from the USDA based on average diet in 1909. MUCH higher everything than now. Average woman was supposed to get 90-110 Grams of Protein and 2400-2700 calories with only light activity.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10C10F93A5A15738DDDAD0A94D8415B898CF1D3
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why concern ones self with calories?
eatless and be weak and lean
eatmore and be strong
its near impossible to eat just the right amount and have the best of both worlds , these threads are funny though they bring out the experts
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why concern ones self with calories?
eatless and be weak and lean
eatmore and be strong
its near impossible to eat just the right amount and have the best of both worlds , these threads are funny though they bring out the experts
You can easily find maintenance and adapt to a maintenance amount which will allow you to eat the most possible food without any negative weight gain (fat).
Or you could just make sure you are active and not over eat. The only excuse for obesity is gluttony and laziness.
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Men bodyweight x 15 maintenance cals. Women bodyweight x 14. Just a rough estimate pending on activity.
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http://www.livescience.com/10569-human-lifespans-constant-2-000-years.html
Article:
Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years
But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.
that's bullshit and you know it.
of course MAX LIFESPAN hasn't increased, no fucking shit. there's always one freak of nature that lives to 130 but that's hardly indicative of the average person. hell if you believe christian bullshit the max lifespan used to be like 250 years or something.
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You can easily find maintenance and adapt to a maintenance amount which will allow you to eat the most possible food without any negative weight gain (fat).
Or you could just make sure you are active and not over eat. The only excuse for obesity is gluttony and laziness.
many have been active and not overeating for YEARS but there phsysique is nothing to scream about
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i only had a good phsyque because of drastic measures and training dieting ect
if it was all about "adopting to a maintenance caloric range" as u propose then we'd have ton of celbrating muscle boys on here posting pics of themselves around the clock
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that's bullshit and you know it.
of course MAX LIFESPAN hasn't increased, no fucking shit. there's always one freak of nature that lives to 130 but that's hardly indicative of the average person. hell if you believe christian bullshit the max lifespan used to be like 250 years or something.
I don`t think you understand that article. ???
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i only had a good phsyque because of drastic measures and training dieting ect
if it was all about "adopting to a maintenance caloric range" as u propose then we'd have ton of celbrating muscle boys on here posting pics of themselves around the clock
You THOUGHT you had to take drastic measures when in reality you didn`t. You did maintain a great physique for a long time and I am sure you weren`t doing DRASTIC measure the entire time. If you took a more balanced approach, say 2500-3200 calories every single day from your leanest, you would have remained the same pretty much.
Of course you would need to get your daily requirements of Macro and Micro nutrients in order which should happen automatically by default if you are eating like a normal person. However, if you are restricting your food choices drastically, you may be deficient in a lot of things. This goes for any kind of restrictive diet.
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He did. The average person back then was eating 3000-4000 plus calories (more than what people eat today actually on average). They were moving a lot more and doing a lot more. No sitting around.
Lol so this guy would have had to be moving a hell of a lot about 3 hours worth of running per day. ::)
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Lol so this guy would have had to be moving a hell of a lot about 3 hours worth of running per day. ::)
Not at all.
People did not sit around and do nothing like today. Imagine doing EVERYTHING by hand, riding horses (which burns a TON of calories) and basic everyday Victorian Life.
You will need a lot of calories.
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Not at all.
People did not sit around and do nothing like today. Imagine doing EVERYTHING by hand, riding horses (which burns a TON of calories) and basic everyday Victorian Life.
You will need a lot of calories.
Lol so this guy would have had to be moving a hell of a lot about 3 hours worth of running per day. ::)
Wrong! Burning an extra 2000 calories a day everyday is not possible to maintain. This article is bs.
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Don`t agree with Sandow`s Diet? ???
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A03E7DE123CE433A25755C0A9609C94669ED7CF
you are so gullible it is not even funny. Tons of bodybuilder who are shredded always claim they eat chocolate, ice cream, cookies and pop etc, WHY, simply cause it make them ten times more impressive.
You bought those lines, the rest of us just laugh at it.
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Not at all.
People did not sit around and do nothing like today. Imagine doing EVERYTHING by hand, riding horses (which burns a TON of calories) and basic everyday Victorian Life.
You will need a lot of calories.
i think in the winter months they didnt do much at all
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I don`t think you understand that article. ???
a drop in infant mortality rated would not skew the average lifespan statistic by that much, especially considering how many children people were having back then. the average was something like 8 kids in the 1800's and today it's 1.4. even with the infant mortality rate lowered they would still be having more than enough kids to even out the numbers back then.
any idiot can tell you food quality, air quality, working conditions, medical treatments, etc have improved DRASTICALLY since the 1800-1900's. it's still not great but it's significantly better.
i understood your bullshit no-supporting-studies-or-facts-cited article just fine. i just don't buy it.
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you are so gullible it is not even funny. Tons of bodybuilder who are shredded always claim they eat chocolate, ice cream, cookies and pop etc, WHY, simply cause it make them ten times more impressive.
You bought those lines, the rest of us just laugh at it.
contest dieting is not supossed to be fun,easy,and matter a fact attitude.
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Got to love TA ;)
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I don't get the Florence Griffith Joyner remarks. What relevance is her death to anything mentioned in this thread? She had a congenital vascular malformation in her brain that caused an epileptic type seizure that caused her to asphyxiate.
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contest dieting is not supossed to be fun,easy,and matter a fact attitude.
exactly, but bodybuilders are like, ```Look I get shredded off ice cream and pizza`` and only Adam believes them
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adonis thinks hes trolling the masses when in reality hes just trolling his friends , me and all the others on tonite and it aint cool id rather talk about free energy magnetic engines instead of this stupid shit about eatining maintenance calories to get shreadded
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yeah maybe for the average joe schmoe 20% bodyfat fatso.
bodyweight means fuck all, compare me-shredded 210- vs average fatso no mscle all skinnyfat 210.
need they both same calories?dont think so.
he needs much less than i do, and id simply gain weight slow but sure on 3300cals a day, with training and fulltime job, wouldnt stay as lean at 3300.
bodyweight means fuck all,if anything, lean bodyweight maybe.
im not even sure if 2500 isnt too much for non physical labouring men to maintain.
my point, general reccomendations seem bit on the high side imo, but yeah its hard to make a one size fits all rule.
its not like most ppl gove a shit until what they see in mirror disgusts them, and its not like people even knwo what food has how much calories.
Well I tend agree, the deal is if don't look worth a damn in the mirror basic line you got to make adjustments bottom line.
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you are so gullible it is not even funny. Tons of bodybuilder who are shredded always claim they eat chocolate, ice cream, cookies and pop etc, WHY, simply cause it make them ten times more impressive.
You bought those lines, the rest of us just laugh at it.
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Wrong! Burning an extra 2000 calories a day everyday is not possible to maintain. This article is bs.
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My TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) is around 3200 calories with zero activity. That mean I can eat 3200 and not gain any fat.
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yeah maybe for the average joe schmoe 20% bodyfat fatso.
bodyweight means fuck all, compare me-shredded 210- vs average fatso no mscle all skinnyfat 210.
need they both same calories?dont think so.
he needs much less than i do, and id simply gain weight slow but sure on 3300cals a day, with training and fulltime job, wouldnt stay as lean at 3300.
bodyweight means fuck all,if anything, lean bodyweight maybe.
im not even sure if 2500 isnt too much for non physical labouring men to maintain.
my point, general reccomendations seem bit on the high side imo, but yeah its hard to make a one size fits all rule.
its not like most ppl gove a shit until what they see in mirror disgusts them, and its not like people even knwo what food has how much calories.
i think general recommendations are designed specifically TO make people out of shape and sedentary, it's in the government's best interests. i mean, they recommend 75 grams of protein per day, no way that's nearly enough for anyone to build muscle on. perhaps a small woman. but i'm the paranoid sort.
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a drop in infant mortality rated would not skew the average lifespan statistic by that much, especially considering how many children people were having back then. the average was something like 8 kids in the 1800's and today it's 1.4. even with the infant mortality rate lowered they would still be having more than enough kids to even out the numbers back then.
any idiot can tell you food quality, air quality, working conditions, medical treatments, etc have improved DRASTICALLY since the 1800-1900's. it's still not great but it's significantly better.
i understood your bullshit no-supporting-studies-or-facts-cited article just fine. i just don't buy it.
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Again, I don`t think you understood the article or what Max Lifespan is compared to Average Lifespan and how those figures are obtained.
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you are so gullible it is not even funny. Tons of bodybuilder who are shredded always claim they eat chocolate, ice cream, cookies and pop etc, WHY, simply cause it make them ten times more impressive.
You bought those lines, the rest of us just laugh at it.
lol, you gotta remember this is the same guy that thought that insanely shredded black dude who didn't even know how to diet or workout was "all natty"
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some actually do eat that stuff, but they go through brutal starvation before and after that, or its carb and fat reload day or trying out stuff.
i even eat couple lbs icecream at once, but yeah, then i follow that up with 2 days of eating nothing at all :-X
yeah but many people go through some time of deinal for a while when its already way late, and then have to deal with a total mess later on.
its ok, theyre great motivational sighting material for dieting for me.
i said previously i sometimes go to mcdonalds have a diet coke and have a look at the fatsos there waiting unpatiently in line like igs do before feeding time, and they all look like couple days fasting wouldnt hurt them :D
Not true. Its all about Calories in vs. Calories out simple as that. No need to "purge" yourself or do anything silly like that. I am 176.2 (this mornings weight) and I eat 2600 calories daily-Very low for me actually and have a nice six pack going on. 8)
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lol, you gotta remember this is the same guy that thought that insanely shredded black dude who didn't even know how to diet or workout was "all natty"
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He is not Natural? ??? Can`t even afford protein powder or anything and somehow he spends it all on steroids despite not even knowing ANYTHING about dieting? ???
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i think general recommendations are designed specifically TO make people out of shape and sedentary, it's in the government's best interests. i mean, they recommend 75 grams of protein per day, no way that's nearly enough for anyone to build muscle on. perhaps a small woman. but i'm the paranoid sort.
I have more muscle than you and I probably average around 75-100 grams of protein per day. Sometimes alot more, sometimes less, depending on what I cook or feel like eating. ;)
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Not true. Its all about Calories in vs. Calories out simple as that. No need to "purge" yourself or do anything silly like that. I am 176.2 (this mornings weight) and I eat 2600 calories daily-Very low for me actually and have a nice six pack going on. 8)
You said 3200 for your weight and that's doing nothing ? Plus you are are active correct? So Eugene was eating almost 2000 calories more than you just to maintain his weight?
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He is not Natural? ??? Can`t even afford protein powder or anything and somehow he spends it all on steroids despite not even knowing ANYTHING about dieting? ???
and he told you this, on his youtube channel. and you believed it all ::)
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Again, I don`t think you understood the article or what Max Lifespan is compared to Average Lifespan and how those figures are obtained.
well then please explain it to a peon such as myself, oh wise one ::)
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exactly, but bodybuilders are like, ```Look I get shredded off ice cream and pizza`` and only Adam believes them
Maybe because its what I do. (and MANY others as well)
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I have more muscle than you and I probably average around 75-100 grams of protein per day. Sometimes alot more, sometimes less, depending on what I cook or feel like eating. ;)
you're also like what, 5'6"?
i'm 6'3". and i'm pretty sure you don't have more muscle than me. maybe scaled to proportion but definitely not in terms of overall mass.
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Not true. Its all about Calories in vs. Calories out simple as that. No need to "purge" yourself or do anything silly like that. I am 176.2 (this mornings weight) and I eat 2600 calories daily-Very low for me actually and have a nice six pack going on. 8)
Adam, I don't know if you're bored and just looking for controversy on an old subject or what, so I will humor you. The highlighted statement is only true if your only goal is lose bodyweight, meaning muscle, water and fat. If thats the case, you'll look better in your clothes but your body composition will remain practically the same. So, yes. In that case you're correct. For athletes, bodybuilders, etc that statement is so far wrong it's off the charts.
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You said 3200 for your weight and that's doing nothing ? Plus you are are active correct? So Eugene was eating almost 2000 calories more than you just to maintain his weight?
Eugene was eating 4000 daily and did train a few hours a day, every day and was pretty active. He was under eating in comparison to his activity level hence is permanent ripped state.
I am grossly under eating as well at 2600 calories a day compared to my activity level. I burn a ton of calories in my workouts let alone all the landscaping, digging holes, crop planting and what not during the week.
I could easily eat 3500-4000 calories or more and maintain. When I work, I work hard and fast. Ever try sawing a Pecan Limb with a handsaw? You will be covered in sweat in 2 minutes and if you do that for 4 hours or so, you will have burned more than a days worth of calories in sawing alone. Way more.
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Adam, I don't know if you're bored and just looking for controversy on an old subject or what, so I will humor you. The highlighted statement is only true if your only goal is lose bodyweight, meaning muscle, water and fat. If thats the case, you'll look better in your clothes but your body composition will remain practically the same. So, yes. In that case you're correct. For athletes, bodybuilders, etc that statement is so far wrong it's off the charts.
Nicely said, no truer words have ever been spoken, boooooooooom
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you're also like what, 5'6"?
i'm 6'3". and i'm pretty sure you don't have more muscle than me. maybe scaled to proportion but definitely not in terms of overall mass.
I`m 5`11/ 6 ft moron. And my arms are longer than yours. :D
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Adam I'm confused. You say that you need 3200 cals per day just to maintain with zero exercise. You also state you are eating 2600c per day. So that's a deficit of 600c under maintenance. I'm sure you don't just sit around all day but I would assume you are not burning the copious amounts that Eugene was either. So I'll make a guess that you are also burning around 800 per day over the 3200 maintenance. So 600 plus 800 is 1400 per day over your basic needs..so you are in a caloric deficit of 9800 per week or 2.8 pounds of fat per week that you are currently losing?
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Adam I'm confused. You say that you need 3200 cals per day just to maintain with zero exercise. You also sate you are eating 2600c per day. So that's a deficit of 600c under maintenance. I'm sure you don't just sit around all day but I would assume you are not burning the copious amounts that Eugene was either. So I'll make a guess that you are also burning around 800 per day over the 3200 maintenance. So 600 plus 800 is 1400 per day over your basic needs..so you are in a caloric deficit of 9800 per week or 2.8 pounds of fat per week that you are currently losing?
I was 180 last week at wake up.
Today I am 176.2.
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My TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) is around 3200 calories with zero activity. That mean I can eat 3200 and not gain any fat.
then post some current physique shots ;D
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I was 180 last week at wake up.
Today I am 176.2.
I will update my challenges to reflect this as well. I haven`t updated in a day or two but did workout consistently.
I lift heavy weights 5-7 days a week by the way.
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Eugene was eating 4000 daily and did train a few hours a day, every day and was pretty active. He was under eating in comparison to his activity level hence is permanent ripped state.
I am grossly under eating as well at 2600 calories a day compared to my activity level. I burn a ton of calories in my workouts let alone all the landscaping, digging holes, crop planting and what not during the week.
I could easily eat 3500-4000 calories or more and maintain. When I work, I work hard and fast. Ever try sawing a Pecan Limb with a handsaw? You will be covered in sweat in 2 minutes and if you do that for 4 hours or so, you will have burned more than a days worth of calories in sawing alone. Way more.
4500 that a big jump over 4000.
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I was 180 last week at wake up.
Today I am 176.2.
You didn't answer my question. You are waaaaay of on your numbers for someone who keeps such a meticulous track of his caloric needs.
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What Adam does not realize is that the maintenance calorie intake constantly changes.
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that dudes icecream diet was alot like mine when i ate icecream but worked out alot also. that guy looked skinny like a crackhead in tank top
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He is not Natural? ??? Can`t even afford protein powder or anything and somehow he spends it all on steroids despite not even knowing ANYTHING about dieting? ???
Yeah kids so poor he couldn't possibly afford to buy some dbol. ::)
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What Adam does not realize is that the maintenance calorie intake constantly changes.
exactly thats why its impossible to eat a percise amount according to your metabolism, even the moon effects metabolism do you think adonis has accounted for the moon
same goes with the weather/temperature. does his die account for temperature effecting maintenance caloric needs? NO i didnt think so
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A calorie may well be a calorie, but to a great extent it's what you do with them that matters.
Thanks for the Sandow information!
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Maybe because its what I do. (and MANY others as well)
and I don`t doubt you but we are talking people with extremely high metabolism and certainly not the norm so your attitude `` it works for me so it should work for you`` is outrageous.
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I`m 5`11/ 6 ft moron. And my arms are longer than yours. :D
you're like two inches taller than branch, we all saw that video. gtfoh
this is the most retarded thread you've made in a while and you've had quite some doozies before
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Adam ran away after my last question. ;D
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Adam ran away after my last question. ;D
Adam always runs away ;)
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Adam always runs away ;)
When a person has 150 gimmick accounts he can't spend all day on just one.
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What Adam does not realize is that the maintenance calorie intake constantly changes.
As does the calories you burn each day. All you need to do is just under eat and its easy to do.
Somedays I burn a fuck load, others not so much, but even doing nothing, for me, eating 2600 is a deficit.
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you're like two inches taller than branch, we all saw that video. gtfoh
this is the most retarded thread you've made in a while and you've had quite some doozies before
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Adam ran away after my last question. ;D
What was your last question?
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Adam I'm confused. You say that you need 3200 cals per day just to maintain with zero exercise. You also state you are eating 2600c per day. So that's a deficit of 600c under maintenance. I'm sure you don't just sit around all day but I would assume you are not burning the copious amounts that Eugene was either. So I'll make a guess that you are also burning around 800 per day over the 3200 maintenance. So 600 plus 800 is 1400 per day over your basic needs..so you are in a caloric deficit of 9800 per week or 2.8 pounds of fat per week that you are currently losing?
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Adam I'm confused. You say that you need 3200 cals per day just to maintain with zero exercise. You also state you are eating 2600c per day. So that's a deficit of 600c under maintenance. I'm sure you don't just sit around all day but I would assume you are not burning the copious amounts that Eugene was either. So I'll make a guess that you are also burning around 800 per day over the 3200 maintenance. So 600 plus 800 is 1400 per day over your basic needs..so you are in a caloric deficit of 9800 per week or 2.8 pounds of fat per week that you are currently losing?
Yes.
Last week at this time I was 180 lbs on wake up at my lowest.
Today I woke up at 176.2.
2600 calories a day.
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yeah yeah, but i just wanna make sure, if that icecream was say 12k calories worth, if i dont eat much the day before and nothing 2 days after, i get a reasonable daily average,im bit paranoid about that ;D
and hell,after such a meal, i couldnt even eat anything for 24hrs even if i tried, its very very saturating ;D
I usually eat about 300-600 calories in Ice Cream every day sometimes more. First thing in the morning I always have a dessert or a Nestle Drumstick Caramel or Chocolate (they are 320 calories) when I don`t have a Dessert made up. I had Moravian Sugar Cake the past few days in addition to the Drumstick and a Chobani Key Lime for Breakfast every day- (that usually is about 700-1100 calories depending on how big of a piece of cake I want or cut for myself.)
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Yes.
Last week at this time I was 180 lbs on wake up at my lowest.
Today I woke up at 176.2.
2600 calories a day.
Wow!! 3 pounds of fat per week is a lot. You must of gotten really heavy so what was your starting weight?
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Here is what I had today:
Nestle Drumstick- Chocolate
Key Lime Greek Yogurt
2 Servings Blueberry Frozen Yogurt
1 Banana
Esquites (Mexican Street Corn Salad)
8 Ounce Denver Steak
So far that is 1664 calories for today. I have 1000 more.
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Wow!! 3 pounds of fat per week is a lot. You must of gotten really heavy so what was your starting weight?
I got up to 189 and my calories were around 4000-5000 a day for a few months, sometimes less. I did not keep any track whatsoever. Its usually what I do in the winter time and just set myself a weight limit to not go over. 190 was my limit this year and I never hit it.
189 was the absolute highest I went.
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Wow!! 3 pounds of fat per week is a lot. You must of gotten really heavy so what was your starting weight?
need current pic to prove theory,,,
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Good book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Perfect-Man-Victorian-Strongman/dp/1906469253/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1369623708&sr=8-3&keywords=sandow
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Yes.
Last week at this time I was 180 lbs on wake up at my lowest.
Today I woke up at 176.2.
2600 calories a day.
So you are eating 2600c daily so how does this keep you at maintenance ? You need 3200 with zero activity? Plus all the extra cals you burn???. I'm lost. ??? Please explain.
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So you are eating 2600c daily so how does this keep you at maintenance ? You need 3200 with zero activity? Plus all the extra cals you burn???. I'm lost. ??? Please explain.
I`m dieting right now on 2600 and won`t need to adjust at all.
I can easily eat 3200 and lose weight or maintain. 2600 just makes it happen a bit faster. I have increased my overall activity also because of the Landscaping I have to do and planting crops, digging, moving rocks, brush etc... Don`t have to do any of that in the winter.
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I`d dieting right now on 2600 and won`t need to adjust at all.
I can easily eat 3200 and lose weight or maintain. 2600 just makes it happen a bit faster. I have increased my overall activity also because of the Landscaping I have to do and planting crops, digging, moving rocks, brush etc... Don`t have to do any of that in the winter.
I'm not buying it. You are back tracking now to cover up. Why would you need to lose 3 pounds of fat per week while weighing 176? So in 30 days you will weigh 164. You should be shredded correct? Plus you have always said you eat 2600c per day normally. ???
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I'm not buying it. You are back tracking now to cover up. Why would you need to lose 3 pounds of fat per week while weighing 176? So in 30 days you will weigh 164. You should be shredded correct?
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I don`t lose 3 lbs per week. Its not a zero sum game you know. I need to be around 165-167.
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I'm not buying it. You are back tracking now to cover up. Why would you need to lose 3 pounds of fat per week while weighing 176? So in 30 days you will weigh 164. You should be shredded correct? Plus you have always said you eat 2600c per day normally. ???
When dieting around that amount. I have gone lower but its TOTALLY unnecessary.
In the winter time I don`t count calories but instead keep a max weight limit that I do not go over. I usually never hit it and I didn`t this year. 190 was the limit and I went to 189.
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I don`t lose 3 lbs per week. Its not a zero sum game you know. I need to be around 165-167.
If my numbers are wrong from my previous posts then please do prove me wrong. Like you always say its all in the numbers. Cals in cals out.
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>standing in foreground
>still no taller than man of average height
MY BAD, didn't mean to insult your manlet pride
why don't you go cry over it with a tub of ice cream. since you apparently love it so much
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>standing in foreground
>still no taller than man of average height
MY BAD, didn't mean to insult your manlet pride
why don't you go cry over it with a tub of ice cream. since you apparently love it so much
The Average height in the United States is 5`9/ 5`10 so I am a little taller than the average at 5`11-6 ft. (6 ft in the morning)
My arms are longer than yours though.
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Adam why would you need a caloric deficit of 1400c or more per day?
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Adam why would you need a caloric deficit of 1400c or more per day?
I don`t. I just like to be safe at 2600.
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I don`t. I just like to be safe at 2600.
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So why do it?
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So why do it?
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2600 is a safe amount. Low enough to lose body fat, high enough to where I am never hungry. I could eat more for sure. I could diet on 3000 pretty easily I think.
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why diet adonis if you claim to be shredded year round ;D :D
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2600 is a safe amount. Low enough to lose body fat, high enough to where I am never hungry. I could eat more for sure. I could diet on 3000 pretty easily I think.
So you normally eat at least 3500 to 400 daily just to maintain.
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adonis have you considerd perfecting your bowl cut into a mullet you have the blonde locks to pull it off
you just need some crazy amount of blonde shaggy hair flowing from the back of the head and behined the ears down from the next to be a true master
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why diet adonis if you claim to be shredded year round ;D :D
My definition of shredded is different than yours my friend. To the average person and to most on here even, my look at 185 lbs would be considered shredded, but to me is fat. :-\
I like to go up a bit in weight in the winter as I am less busy and don`t bother to keep track of my calories at all. I just set myself a weight limit to not go over. Its REALLY tough for me to go over that set weight unless I work at it by overeating day in and day out. When I used to Force Bulk back in the day, I would have to Force feed myself and did all of that voluntarily. I was on a mad quest to Deadlift and it was ridiculous the amounts I would eat.
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So you normally eat at least 3500 to 400 daily just to maintain.
When I`m not monitoring my calories, I don`t count them- but yeah, around that amount is a safe bet depending how much outside work I do.
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well you know, in order to not slowly creep out of shape, one has to kinda watch what they eat, maybe not at all times, but kinda often.
its not like you didnt know that, you just cant remember ;D
Exactly. I do this by setting a MAX weight limit for myself and if I get close I then monitor calories. And when I get tired of monitoring calories, I don`t.
I could actually just eyeball everything and not count anything really and arrive at the same place as I have done this for so long now.
I just choose to count as it takes no effort really and it is fail safe and fool proof.
I think I am going to get myself a bowl of potato chips in a second-1000 calories still left to eat today.
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The Next few days will be High Protein days for sure as I am making Halal Chicken and Rice with White Sauce. I also have Cookies and a Cake to bake but will probably do Moravian Sugar Cake as that is my go to and I love the yeasty flavor. Here is where the recipe comes from:
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Adam you're fun to mess with and I'll assume you like playin too. All one has to do is look over your past posts on this thread and previous one to see your full of shit. You have totally contradicted yourself not only in this thread but in others from what you always preach but you obviously had to since you've been caught in some lies. Even trying to back slide you are not making much sense. Never in all your previous posts have you ever said you eat 4000 cals per day. Anyway, some day you need to post a pics that isn't 7 years old. ;D
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Adam you're fun to mess with and I'll assume you like playin too. All one has to do is look over your past posts on this thread and previous one to see your full of shit. You have totally contradicted yourself not only in this thread but in others from what you always preach but you obviously had to since you've been caught in some lies. Even trying to back slide you are not making much sense. Never in all your previous posts have you ever said you eat 4000 cals per day. Anyway, some day you need to post a pics that isn't 7 years old. ;D
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Adam you're fun to mess with and I'll assume you like playin too. All one has to do is look over your past posts on this thread and previous one to see your full of shit. You have totally contradicted yourself not only in this thread but in others from what you always preach but you obviously had to since you've been caught in some lies. Even trying to back slide you are not making much sense. Never in all your previous posts have you ever said you eat 4000 cals per day. Anyway, some day you need to post a pics that isn't 7 years old. ;D
I am going to enter a Hot Dog eating contest in a month or so, so I am sure I will eat more than 4000 calories then.
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I will be doing the Roast Grill Hot Dog Challenge in a month.
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need current pic to prove theory,,,
on wednesday
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why concern ones self with calories?
eatless and be weak and lean
eatmore and be strong
its near impossible to eat just the right amount and have the best of both worlds , these threads are funny though they bring out the experts
wise words from our resident perma bulker.
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disgusted is the most knowledgeable poster on here
hard to argue with that level of expertise
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Yep...I guess it boils down to genetics..right? But in sandows day, training was much different, much harder. Things come around back in full circle, like back then, people are doing more full body training. Do you actually think he trained for specifically bodybuilding they do now or even back in the 40's or 50's? Hell no. Much like crossfit, they had very little idea on what to do, however, they did know that whatever they were doing (mostly strongman stuff, gymnastics, etc) worked. Also, I think I read somewhere Sandow was not that big of a man. Again Adam..genetics
Geezus...
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they recommend 75 grams of protein per day, no way that's nearly enough for anyone to build muscle on.
Nonsense. 75g is plenty for this.
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wise words from our resident perma bulker.
:D ;D
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why am i fat as fuck only eating 3000 calories a day?
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why am i fat as fuck only eating 3000 calories a day?
Too much time in a surplus.
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why am i fat as fuck only eating 3000 calories a day?
because it has less to do with your body weight/ cals in and more your metabolism/ cals in ;)
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why am i fat as fuck only eating 3000 calories a day?
In all seriousness my friend, why did you let the 100 plus pound weight gain continue? At any point you could have stopped the fat gain in its tracks and taken care of it. Did you not realize you were gaining so much weight or did you just not care really? You still have a great physique under there I am sure and at any time you want bring it out, you could if you wanted to. It would take a while, but it is doable.
Its also cool if you don`t really give a fuck to do so. I respect that as well because all of us know what you are capable of if you wanted to do it. (you have already "been there" and "done that")
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In all seriousness my friend, why did you let the 100 plus pound weight gain continue? At any point you could have stopped the fat gain in its tracks and taken care of it. Did you not realize you were gaining so much weight or did you just not care really? You still have a great physique under there I am sure and at any time you want bring it out, you could if you wanted to. It would take a while, but it is doable.
Its also cool if you don`t really give a fuck to do so. I respect that as well because all of us know what you are capable of if you wanted to do it. (you have already "been there" and "done that")
True. The Falcon can soar high again determination is key.
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Geezus...
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lol
I was waiting for that. haha
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Sandow knew what was up.
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Sandow knew what was up.
How many calories in a cigarette?
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Sandow knew what was up.
Wasn't he like 5'9 130. lol
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But in sandows day, training was much different, much harder. Things come around back in full circle, like back then, people are doing more full body training. Do you actually think he trained for specifically bodybuilding they do now or even back in the 40's or 50's?
Bahahahhahahhaahah 'much harder'?!?!? Lmao have you read this twink's book? The gay shit he considered 'training' would be laughed out of any 'serious gymnasium' in a heartbeat. Also, yes, he trained 'specifically for bodybuilding'. Don't know where you're pulling this b.s. from.