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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: drmarkp on June 23, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
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Anyone want a Sandow? 😒😒 Saw this on Face book today..
http://m.ebay.com/itm/121581807431?_mwBanner=1
WTH?
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10 grand to open? That's almost worth competing for.
Based on a recent bodybuilders net worth thread I think it's safe to say Big Ron and Jay aren't the sellers. I'm going to guess Lee Haney, his wife had probably thrown that thing out (I'm sure she let him keep one) and the neighbor dug it out of the trash.
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
Regardless, wouldn't pay $50 for it.
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Junior should buy it and give it to Goodrum.
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Peculiar thing is, if it was Arnold's it would probably be worth a lot. Otherwise, it's worth the $99.99 shipping they are asking. And that's just to melt it down.
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
In order for anything "collectible" to have value there must first be an attraction, if you will. Most often it is emotional as in a long desired car or a favorite comic book, both heavily coveted since one's youth. Things become more valuable the more others share this craving.
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Slurp! :P
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/mwedcc/IMG_0250.jpg)
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The Weider estate probably has a few hundred in storage. Slow releasing and milking the schmoes.
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If you look at the other things the seller is selling, they look like a collector. There is some pretty nice things. There is another bodybuilding statue and some championship rings and other stuff.
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/mwedcc/IMG_0254.jpg)
Weak hamstrings, Would not hit.
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The Weider estate probably has a few hundred in storage. Slow releasing and milking the schmoes.
Just wait till Schmoe Weider's private reserve collection of soiled posing thongs hit the auction block. Many of schmoes will be fighting over that last second bid
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great deal, scoop it up.
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
FAKE 1, the real one is on marble base & was on well known auction house sale for 9000 British pounds in December 2014.
Nobody sells real statues on Ebay, probably 1 of Weiders from 1980's ?, Joe was asking $ 1000 ::)
No patina tells all, would not pay more than $ 300 -400
+ no info's about weight & height ;D
They also sell Louis Cyr statue 4 $ 10k , FAKE too :P
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Mayor of Bodybuilding probably begging his mother to bid on it right now.
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What a shame for bodybuilding that Joe came up with this silly notion of Mr Olympia. He set bodybuilding back with that foolish idea. Then he adds insult to injury by coming up with the Sandow statue. Wtf is that? Sure a nice bronze but Sandow doesn't represent physical perfection. Reeves would have been a better choice.
Have a look at the beautiful sculpture of Dorian by Matthew Smith. Except for the ugly veins on one biceps that is one magnificent sculpture.
http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=139337&page=3
http://s304.photobucket.com/user/matt82_2008/media/Dorian%20Yates%20Statue/DorianYatesBronzeEdition_zps3e016480.mp4.html
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The Cyr trophy he's also selling is neater looking. I agree, only Arnold's should bring that type of money (and would bring considerably more). I could see a few of the other winners getting into the 2.5 - 5k range (Dorian, Haney, Ronnie). Steep decline after that. Sergio, and Scott could've maybe got into that range, but they were before the intro of Sandow.
And, yes, I agree that a collectible is only worth what a collector is willing to spend. The finger of fame is very fickle in bodybuilding, and I doubt there are enough high dollar collectors to push up the prices too far on these things.
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
Samir Bannout?
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/358091d061a58edc76bf4856123bf9a1/tumblr_mwwz8uyqpd1qz7b12o1_1280.jpg)
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In order for this to have value they need to tell you whose trophy it is.
Samir Bannout.
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Here is one of the older replicas Weider sold -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427105.0;attach=471171;image).
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427105.0;attach=471172;image).
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The Cyr trophy he's also selling is neater looking. I agree, only Arnold's should bring that type of money (and would bring considerably more). I could see a few of the other winners getting into the 2.5 - 5k range (Dorian, Haney, Ronnie). Steep decline after that. Sergio, and Scott could've maybe got into that range, but they were before the intro of Sandow.
And, yes, I agree that a collectible is only worth what a collector is willing to spend. The finger of fame is very fickle in bodybuilding, and I doubt there are enough high dollar collectors to push up the prices too far on these things.
I have done a few bronze sculptures and I can tell you getting them cast cost thousands of dollars for a reasonably sized sculpture. The Chinese factories have produced some impressive, cheap bronzes, but if you get them done locally they cost thousands to do.
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I have done a few bronze sculptures and I can tell you getting them cast cost thousands of dollars for a reasonably sized sculpture. The Chinese factories have produced some impressive, cheap bronzes, but if you get them done locally they cost thousands to do.
Oh, no doubt, I've priced having that type of work done, and it certainly is expensive. But I doubt that the Sandows have enough cross over appeal to non body building fans to be purchased simply as an objet d'art by many folks at expensive prices.
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So is this Sandow fake or real? Does anyone know for sure?
It certainly seems plausible to me that some former Mr O would put their Sandow on e-bay if they needed money. Maybe Chris Dickerson?
If this is real, I would think some rich schmoe would snap it right up.
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Probably Franco. That title has 0 value.
Selling that with no name is like selling a baseball online without saying who signed it. total bullshit.
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Guys just some "insider info" on my musclephone that I'm not supposed to make public or it will cost my membership, but since my 3 year intro subscription price of $19.99 a month is about to double I'm canceling the service anyway.
Turns out we have a Mr. Olympia who has lived well beyond his means. His "keeping up with the Jones" mentality has led him to walk away from a lucrative supplement endorsement, only to start his own label which is a MAJOR financial albatross. Due to pristine warehouse conditions as well as strict micro/macro ratios he's literally losing money on every tub of protein powder he sells.
Other life factors like: his pending divorce, handbag and custom shoe collection, cell phone data overage charges (mostly spent on social media silencing the haters), and an expensive, as well as controversial, clavicle lengthening surgery have taken their financial toll.
Despite his public persona consisting of bravado and other typical alpha behavior behind the scenes he's rumored to be a broken man.
While he tells the press that he considers selling a Sandow no big deal, as he will win many more, that's it's really a token gesture of giving back to the fans, we know the real reasons.
Good luck Mr. Heath.
*waiting for Ron and/or Goodrum to confirm.
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Samir Bannout.
I'd think Samir would fight you to the death to keep his Sandow. Without it he's not even Boyer Coe (no jumping shoe invention).
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I'd think Samir would fight you to the death to keep his Sandow. Without it he's not even Boyer Coe (no jumping shoe invention).
The Sandow is a coveted award that few have won. We won't be seeing many ever go on sale while the champions are alive.
That means there might be some available from estates of champions who have died. Larry and Sergio are gone. I don't think
Sergio's trophies would come up for auction because Sergio Jr would treasure them. I wonder about Larry's estate.
Does anyone here know what has happened to Larry's trophies?
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Not worth anything without the name of the person it belongs to
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Another thing to consider, is perhaps it's from the Weider offices or an ex employee or similar. I could see there being a few around as props and souvenirs for photo ops, high level Olympia officials, and such.
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maybe shawn ray is a potential buyer?
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Another thing is that he has a Cyr trophy which is/was used at the Arnold Classic, chances are that the Sandow and the Cyr came from the same person. I'm thinking it's from Ben Weider's estate. He'd have easy access to an extra Sandows, and was a huge admirer of Cyr, so he's was bound to have an original Cyr trophy or copies.
Indeed, there is even a picture of Ben Weider with a similar or exact Cyr trophy here on the upper left -
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/features/louiscyr_5.jpg).
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now wouldnt that be something, two statues, both from the legend ben weider.
please notice that you can also make an offer of these auctions, there is room for negotiations here
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So is this Sandow fake or real? Does anyone know for sure?
It certainly seems plausible to me that some former Mr O would put their Sandow on e-bay if they needed money. Maybe Chris Dickerson?
If this is real, I would think some rich schmoe would snap it right up.
FAKE, auction house would sell real statues ;) ebay sells fakes :D
No weight,height & dimension details 8)
4 years ago silver Sandow , supposedly Seig Klain 1 was sold for $ 380 on Ebay, now in Melbourne
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Another thing is that he has a Cyr trophy which is/was used at the Arnold Classic, chances are that the Sandow and the Cyr came from the same person. I'm thinking it's from Ben Weider's estate. He'd have easy access to an extra Sandows, and was a huge admirer of Cyr, so he's was bound to have an original Cyr trophy or copies.
Indeed, there is even a picture of Ben Weider with a similar or exact Cyr trophy here on the upper left -
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/features/louiscyr_5.jpg).
Arnold Classic Louis Cyr statue/trophy was GREEN bronze & different look ;)
Weider office was decorated with tons of fake/cheap bronze statues.
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OBW, Chinese furniture shop in North Sydney sell bronze strongman statues $ 250-280 I got Bruce Lee from that place .
Someone in U.K. was also selling bronze Sandows too.
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how come there's no statues of DLB?
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Guys just some "insider info" on my musclephone that I'm not supposed to make public or it will cost my membership, but since my 3 year intro subscription price of $19.99 a month is about to double I'm canceling the service anyway.
Turns out we have a Mr. Olympia who has lived well beyond his means. His "keeping up with the Jones" mentality has led him to walk away from a lucrative supplement endorsement, only to start his own label which is a MAJOR financial albatross. Due to pristine warehouse conditions as well as strict micro/macro ratios he's literally losing money on every tub of protein powder he sells.
Other life factors like: his pending divorce, handbag and custom shoe collection, cell phone data overage charges (mostly spent on social media silencing the haters), and an expensive, as well as controversial, clavicle lengthening surgery have taken their financial toll.
Despite his public persona consisting of bravado and other typical alpha behavior behind the scenes he's rumored to be a broken man.
While he tells the press that he considers selling a Sandow no big deal, as he will win many more, that's it's really a token gesture of giving back to the fans, we know the real reasons.
Good luck Mr. Heath.
*waiting for Ron and/or Goodrum to confirm.
(http://allbyhimselfdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/20130327-121658.jpg)
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Real Sandow:
- Weight 17 pounds
- Height 16"
- Gold original, weight is 19 pounds
- Gold statue reported value in 1901 was 500 pounds (around $2500)
- At Nabba Mr.Universe 1948 , Steve Reeves was presented with a bronze Sandow
- Serge Nubret awarded Steve Reeves with Gold Sandow on Wabba Mr.World in Paris
- The Sandow handed to Mr.Olympia winners is based on Mullers & Sons foundry statue discovered by betty Weider in an antique store
- Nobody knows how many statues was produced by Mullers foundry ???
- Mr.Olympia statue is smaller, Base 5 1/2" wide, 5 1/4"deep, 1 3/4' high
- Modern Sandows are made by Great American Bronze Works Inc.
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The statue and the Mr 'O title have become quite overrated since they gave it to Jay & Phil..
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Same seller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Championship-Ring-Lot-19-Rings-NBA-MLB-NFL-Super-Bowl-World-Series-/111696478882
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What a shame for bodybuilding that Joe came up with this silly notion of Mr Olympia. He set bodybuilding back with that foolish idea. Then he adds insult to injury by coming up with the Sandow statue. Wtf is that? Sure a nice bronze but Sandow doesn't represent physical perfection. Reeves would have been a better choice.
Have a look at the beautiful sculpture of Dorian by Matthew Smith. Except for the ugly veins on one biceps that is one magnificent sculpture.
http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=139337&page=3
http://s304.photobucket.com/user/matt82_2008/media/Dorian%20Yates%20Statue/DorianYatesBronzeEdition_zps3e016480.mp4.html
Silly statues . . . Can someone post the pic of this knob standing next to the statue he bought and stood next to in a picture as he attempted to sell "his penthouse." If it is a real Sandow, someone earned it, unlike the trophies you stole when you fixed the 70 Canada.
THE BEEF
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Silly statues . . . Can someone post the pic of this knob standing next to the statue he bought and stood next to in a picture as he attempted to sell "his penthouse." If it is a real Sandow, someone earned it, unlike the trophies you stole when you fixed the 70 Canada.
THE BEEF
;D
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I might buy this sandow just to take a few snap snots for Getbig with it.
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Just wait till Schmoe Weider's private reserve collection of soiled posing thongs hit the auction block. Many of schmoes will be fighting over that last second bid
not many people want to buy my used and soiled Shizzo posing thong. ???
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I might buy this sandow just to take a few snap snots for Getbig with it.
Just don't share it with iMeister, the statue won't recover from this..
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Pretty sure that was an "honorary statue" given to Ray Cutler by Jay.
You see back in 2007, Jay was afraid that Ray would enter the contest and steal his glory/dethrone him from his Olympia. Jay sucked a few dicks and had this "honorary statue" created and presented it to his superior brother as a way to deter him from competing.
Little did Jay know: Ray likes the simple life and could care less about the Olympia. He saw the direction bodybuilding was heading and wanted nothing to do with it. However, an "honorary" Sandow could reach at least $10k, and Ray saw the chance to purchase another motorcycle. So GetBig, be generous with your eBay bets. It's for the greater good of Ray Cutler.
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Pretty sure that was an "honorary statue" given to Ray Cutler by Jay.
You see back in 2007, Jay was afraid that Ray would enter the contest and steal his glory/dethrone him from his Olympia. Jay sucked a few dicks and had this "honorary statue" created and presented it to his superior brother as a way to deter him from competing.
Little did Jay know: Ray likes the simple life and could care less about the Olympia. He saw the direction bodybuilding was heading and wanted nothing to do with it. However, an "honorary" Sandow could reach at least $10k, and Ray saw the chance to purchase another motorcycle. So GetBig, be generous with your eBay bets. It's for the greater good of Ray Cutler.
$ 10 k , ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D
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Silly statues . . . Can someone post the pic of this knob standing next to the statue he bought and stood next to in a picture as he attempted to sell "his penthouse." If it is a real Sandow, someone earned it, unlike the trophies you stole when you fixed the 70 Canada.
THE BEEF
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The statue and the Mr 'O title have become quite overrated since they gave it to Jay & Phil..
Mr.Olympia is BB champion of small Greek town Olimpia ;D
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Not real. Though I would suspect if anyone sold their Mr O trophy it would be Dickerson.
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5 years ago Conan sword was sold for $ 22000
Ron Cobb was designer of that weapon
6 swords was used in Conan ,4 steel & 2 aluminium
3 steel swords located , other 3 ???
very heavy m..........fucker
:)
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Not real. Though I would suspect if anyone sold their Mr O trophy it would be Dickerson.
Why? Dickerson is doing better then a lot of mr Os
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many were made, but only THE GIFT owns the One and ONLY Golden Sandow
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/full_node_image_1090x614/public/Sandow.jpg?itok=1c3_FeBi)
(http://xsfitnessmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/10300311_10152768175379439_767337438217073678_n.jpg)
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many were made, but only THE GIFT owns the One and ONLY Golden Sandow
NOPE, Steve Reeves was presented with the ORIGINAL Golden Sandow statue at Wabba World 1977 in Paris ;)
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You could buy sandows via mail order out of muscle and fitness in the early 80's. Probably hundreds of them out there. Bronze is cheap.
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Btw, the sandows are just castings made from an old statue Betty weider found in an antique store. They would have made a negative mold straight off it out of silicone and cast it out of wax then covered it in sand and the wax melts out as the bronze is poured.
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Can anyone estimate "value" of Vincenza Basile RECYCLED & PLASTIC Mr.Olympia 1980 trophy presented to C.Dickerson ;D
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Definitely has a similar base to Samir's though...
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It all starts with Eugen Sandow. During the late 1800’s, Sandow was an extraordinary and coveted bodybuilder and strongman. He was selling out shows all over the world with displays of amazing muscular feats – such as massive weight lifting and chain snapping. He published books about strength and bodybuilding. He even had official merchandise – health drinks, energy pills, and tonics.
Through his amazing feats and popularity, he eventually caught the eye of a sculptor who was on the rise. This was Frederick W. Pomeroy and in 1891, Pomeroy and Sandow came together to devise a statue. A statue that would one day become the Sandow trophy.
On September 14, 1901, Eugen Sandow held an event called “The Great Competition” – which was the first major competition that focused on the judging of not only strength, but physique as well. The top three winners of this competition were awarded, you guessed it, the statue of Eugen Sandow. Gold, Silver, and Bronze for the respective 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.
This was the first the world had ever seen the statue. A graceful but muscular man grasping a globe barbell. It perfectly depicted the qualities that Sandow possessed and wanted to inspire. A perfect representation of “The Great Competition” and what it stood for.
It became very popular amongst athletes and was quickly copied and sold to admirers for years. It became a calling card for gyms and all things related to muscular physique and strength.
While popular, the statues always remained in private hands and kept to the shadows. This was not a mass produced statue – but something special that were only found by an underground group of people.
It wasn’t until the 1950 Mr. Universe competition that the Sandow statue returned to the spotlight. The organizers of the event were certain that Reg Park would take the #1 spot at the competition and decided to award a very special trophy. The Sandow statue – modeled after the bronze 3rd place trophy from “The Great Competition.” To many people’s surprise, Steve Reeves ended up winning the trophy and brought the statue back home to USA. Before he left, a photo shoot was put together where Reeves posed with the Sandow trophy. This left a long lasting impression for bodybuilding fans.
So it only made sense that in 1977 the Mr. Olympia competition decided to honor the #1 bodybuilding athletes with something fitting to their master strength – the Sandow trophy. For the first twelve years of the competition, the trophies were tall and massive towers of brass – nothing memorable. But the Sandow trophy was now a thing of legend and known by most bodybuilders across the world. This would be the perfect award. This would be the best way to honor their athletes.
Rumor has it that the original mold for the 1977 Mr. Olympia Sandow trophy was found in an antique shop by Joe Weider’s wife. She immediately knew what it was and how important it was bodybuilding – so she purchased it.
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N.A.C.'s Mr.Universe & World Championship trophy easily outclass other organizations awards , ah those Germans.
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What would the Mr. GetBig statue look like, a big pile of shit?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What would the Mr. GetBig statue look like, a big pile of shit?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A bronze tbombz or cswol
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While Joe was alive nobody questioned his Mr Olympia contest. Joe snuck in the back door in 1965 with a new idea to try to get the top guys to compete in his show and not NABBA in England.
He was eventually successful by the seventies and now the Mr Universe titles mean very little compared to the Mr Olympia. All those big titles relegated to not important since Joe's title became
THE big title to win in bodybuilding. Along with the Mr Olympia came the big medals and Sandow trophies. I have no doubt that they are cherished by all who win them. A nice sculpture for sure.
However, Joe was way off when he used that sculpture for first prize in his bodybuilding contest. Sandow was a figure from several generations before bodybuilding became something more than
a curiosity or sideshow. In the old vaudeville days strongmen were in demand and as it turned out a few of them had impressive physiques as well. Bodybuilding contests as we now know them
more or less originated in America with the Mr America title. That was a prestigious title back in the 1940s and 1950s. The Mr Universe title took off in England when Steve Reeves won in 1950.
In the meantime, Joe held the Mr Canada contest in Montreal then started to expand when he moved his warehouse to New Jersey. Eventually he held Mr America and Mr Universe titles. However,
the NABBA Universe was still the most cherished title according to the top bodybuilders including Arnold.
By the early 1960s the Mr America title became more controversial and they wouldn't let muscleheads or blacks win that title. This opened the way for Joe to have pure bodybuilding contests
and the rest is history. Larry Scott, Chuck Sipes, Harold Poole and Sergio Oliva won big titles solely on the excellence of their physiques. The idea of the Olympia was to have a contest that
the top guys could enter. One year Sergio won without having anyone to compete against him. He was that big and impressive. Then Arnold arrived and they battled for a few years until
something peculiar happened. Sergio was suspended for competing in an unsanctioned show. What happened to the ideal of having all the top guys compete? What a shame that was and
Arnold won year after year after that. The last time they competed was in Germany and many believe Sergio was robbed. There was no Sandow trophy for the winner in those days. Joe presented
Larry Scott with a silver plate. I think he had a crown one year as well. Prize money was something like $1000 and Arnold complained about that meagre amount. Schmoes were offering more
just to hang around Arnold!
Joe and Ben collected art and sculpture so it was no surprise when the Sandow was presented. This was almost out of Joe's fancy office. A replica and something special for the winner.
We wonder why a nice bronze of Steve Reeves wasn't used? There were some impressive bronzes of Steve available at the time. No doubt Joe took the most economical path re trophies.
Casting bronzes and finishing them is an expensive process. If you don't think so go and see what it would cost to have a bronze sculpture of yourself cast. It cost thousands of dollars.
When I look at the Sandow it is a nice bronze. Simple pose holding a vintage barbell that is seen only in museums. Is this what bodybuilding is all about? Not to me.
I look at the bronze of Dorian Yates and am impressed. Now that is a sculpture that represents modern bodybuilding and the superman. Sandow was never that. Will the IFBB upgrade
the trophy for the Mr Olympia? I doubt it. Maybe the pro athletes rep can make a representation on behalf of the top guys and fans out there? That would be a pipe dream.
Whatever Joe and Ben started with the IFBB and the Mr Olympia it seems to persist virtually unchanged over the years. I doubt there will be any significant changes in the decade ahead.
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this statue of doz is actually quite accurate including the small cock ( no homo)
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While Joe was alive nobody questioned his Mr Olympia contest. Joe snuck in the back door in 1965 with a new idea to try to get the top guys to compete in his show and not NABBA in England.
He was eventually successful by the seventies and now the Mr Universe titles mean very little compared to the Mr Olympia. All those big titles relegated to not important since Joe's title became
THE big title to win in bodybuilding. Along with the Mr Olympia came the big medals and Sandow trophies. I have no doubt that they are cherished by all who win them. A nice sculpture for sure.
However, Joe was way off when he used that sculpture for first prize in his bodybuilding contest. Sandow was a figure from several generations before bodybuilding became something more than
a curiosity or sideshow. In the old vaudeville days strongmen were in demand and as it turned out a few of them had impressive physiques as well. Bodybuilding contests as we now know them
more or less originated in America with the Mr America title. That was a prestigious title back in the 1940s and 1950s. The Mr Universe title took off in England when Steve Reeves won in 1950.
In the meantime, Joe held the Mr Canada contest in Montreal then started to expand when he moved his warehouse to New Jersey. Eventually he held Mr America and Mr Universe titles. However,
the NABBA Universe was still the most cherished title according to the top bodybuilders including Arnold.
By the early 1960s the Mr America title became more controversial and they wouldn't let muscleheads or blacks win that title. This opened the way for Joe to have pure bodybuilding contests
and the rest is history. Larry Scott, Chuck Sipes, Harold Poole and Sergio Oliva won big titles solely on the excellence of their physiques. The idea of the Olympia was to have a contest that
the top guys could enter. One year Sergio won without having anyone to compete against him. He was that big and impressive. Then Arnold arrived and they battled for a few years until
something peculiar happened. Sergio was suspended for competing in an unsanctioned show. What happened to the ideal of having all the top guys compete? What a shame that was and
Arnold won year after year after that. The last time they competed was in Germany and many believe Sergio was robbed. There was no Sandow trophy for the winner in those days. Joe presented
Larry Scott with a silver plate. I think he had a crown one year as well. Prize money was something like $1000 and Arnold complained about that meagre amount. Schmoes were offering more
just to hang around Arnold!
Joe and Ben collected art and sculpture so it was no surprise when the Sandow was presented. This was almost out of Joe's fancy office. A replica and something special for the winner.
We wonder why a nice bronze of Steve Reeves wasn't used? There were some impressive bronzes of Steve available at the time. No doubt Joe took the most economical path re trophies.
Casting bronzes and finishing them is an expensive process. If you don't think so go and see what it would cost to have a bronze sculpture of yourself cast. It cost thousands of dollars.
When I look at the Sandow it is a nice bronze. Simple pose holding a vintage barbell that is seen only in museums. Is this what bodybuilding is all about? Not to me.
I look at the bronze of Dorian Yates and am impressed. Now that is a sculpture that represents modern bodybuilding and the superman. Sandow was never that. Will the IFBB upgrade
the trophy for the Mr Olympia? I doubt it. Maybe the pro athletes rep can make a representation on behalf of the top guys and fans out there? That would be a pipe dream.
Whatever Joe and Ben started with the IFBB and the Mr Olympia it seems to persist virtually unchanged over the years. I doubt there will be any significant changes in the decade ahead.
The Dorian statue is pretty awesome.
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Why? Dickerson is doing better then a lot of mr Os
Not really. I see him around town quite often. Can barely walk, wearing the same clothes for several days at a time, and having a general "homeless" look to him. His last boyfriend was some bloated face goomba with thinning hair and a bad skin complexion and acne (despite being over 50 years old) on his face and shoulders. Probably all over, but you couldn't tell as he only tank tops that barely contained his saggy tits and knock off Crazee Wear type pants along with the generic New Balance shoes you get from Costco. The dude left him and took most of his/their shit with him.
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A bronze tbombz or cswol
Nice plastic & cheap statue of 'Fat Rozy'
;)
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Not really. I see him around town quite often. Can barely walk, wearing the same clothes for several days at a time, and having a general "homeless" look to him. His last boyfriend was some bloated face goomba with thinning hair and a bad skin complexion and acne (despite being over 50 years old) on his face and shoulders. Probably all over, but you couldn't tell as he only tank tops that barely contained his saggy tits and knock off Crazee Wear type pants along with the generic New Balance shoes you get from Costco. The dude left him and took most of his/their shit with him.
I got a feeling Howard knows exactly what you're talking about here...
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Who would buy Joe Weider bust (Joes head & R.R. top) 8)
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Apparently Singerman is buying it for $7,500
Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Singerman
He just responded with "$7500".
Dari gave me the OK. I think I'm going to be Mr. Olympia.
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Singerman did not buy it.
It's going to look inspirational for an old bodybuilder somewhere in his office. ;)
Pride of place next to Katz's t-shirt and Chris Duffey's barbell.
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Does anybody who is the Mr. Olympia that sold their own Sandow ???
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Does anybody who is the Mr. Olympia that sold their own Sandow ???
see topic : Sandow for sale
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3-D printer would kill all those statues :)
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Apparently Singerman is buying it for $7,500
he can put his name on it as the "bikini king"
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lee priest
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see topic : Sandow for sale
that reply reminds when you used to look up something in a phone book, then it would say "look under such and such"
Fuck!
why not just tell me here???
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While Joe was alive nobody questioned his Mr Olympia contest. Joe snuck in the back door in 1965 with a new idea to try to get the top guys to compete in his show and not NABBA in England.
He was eventually successful by the seventies and now the Mr Universe titles mean very little compared to the Mr Olympia. All those big titles relegated to not important since Joe's title became
THE big title to win in bodybuilding. Along with the Mr Olympia came the big medals and Sandow trophies. I have no doubt that they are cherished by all who win them. A nice sculpture for sure.
However, Joe was way off when he used that sculpture for first prize in his bodybuilding contest. Sandow was a figure from several generations before bodybuilding became something more than
a curiosity or sideshow. In the old vaudeville days strongmen were in demand and as it turned out a few of them had impressive physiques as well. Bodybuilding contests as we now know them
more or less originated in America with the Mr America title. That was a prestigious title back in the 1940s and 1950s. The Mr Universe title took off in England when Steve Reeves won in 1950.
In the meantime, Joe held the Mr Canada contest in Montreal then started to expand when he moved his warehouse to New Jersey. Eventually he held Mr America and Mr Universe titles. However,
the NABBA Universe was still the most cherished title according to the top bodybuilders including Arnold.
By the early 1960s the Mr America title became more controversial and they wouldn't let muscleheads or blacks win that title. This opened the way for Joe to have pure bodybuilding contests
and the rest is history. Larry Scott, Chuck Sipes, Harold Poole and Sergio Oliva won big titles solely on the excellence of their physiques. The idea of the Olympia was to have a contest that
the top guys could enter. One year Sergio won without having anyone to compete against him. He was that big and impressive. Then Arnold arrived and they battled for a few years until
something peculiar happened. Sergio was suspended for competing in an unsanctioned show. What happened to the ideal of having all the top guys compete? What a shame that was and
Arnold won year after year after that. The last time they competed was in Germany and many believe Sergio was robbed. There was no Sandow trophy for the winner in those days. Joe presented
Larry Scott with a silver plate. I think he had a crown one year as well. Prize money was something like $1000 and Arnold complained about that meagre amount. Schmoes were offering more
just to hang around Arnold!
Joe and Ben collected art and sculpture so it was no surprise when the Sandow was presented. This was almost out of Joe's fancy office. A replica and something special for the winner.
We wonder why a nice bronze of Steve Reeves wasn't used? There were some impressive bronzes of Steve available at the time. No doubt Joe took the most economical path re trophies.
Casting bronzes and finishing them is an expensive process. If you don't think so go and see what it would cost to have a bronze sculpture of yourself cast. It cost thousands of dollars.
When I look at the Sandow it is a nice bronze. Simple pose holding a vintage barbell that is seen only in museums. Is this what bodybuilding is all about? Not to me.
I look at the bronze of Dorian Yates and am impressed. Now that is a sculpture that represents modern bodybuilding and the superman. Sandow was never that. Will the IFBB upgrade
the trophy for the Mr Olympia? I doubt it. Maybe the pro athletes rep can make a representation on behalf of the top guys and fans out there? That would be a pipe dream.
Whatever Joe and Ben started with the IFBB and the Mr Olympia it seems to persist virtually unchanged over the years. I doubt there will be any significant changes in the decade ahead.
You have some nerve posting anything about Joe Weider after calling him a racist on Ironage.
THE BEEF
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You have some nerve posting anything about Joe Weider after calling him a racist on Ironage.
THE BEEF
Basile dream was to work for Weider as photo man , but Joe too told him where to go ;D ;D ;D
PS, naïve question: why nobody :-* fatso V.B. ............ :'(
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A big part of the reason vic was kicked off ironage was because he claimed Joe was a racist and cited him not putting Sergio on the cover of Muscle Builder as proof of that. vic was out of fucken line.
THE BEEF
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A big part of the reason vic was kicked off ironage was because he claimed Joe was a racist and cited him not putting Sergio on the cover of Muscle Builder as proof of that. vic was out of fucken line.
THE BEEF
Basile is an honest and mentally well balanced gentleman, and I refuse to believe that he has engaged in such behaviour in the past.
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A big part of the reason vic was kicked off ironage was because he claimed Joe was a racist and cited him not putting Sergio on the cover of Muscle Builder as proof of that. vic was out of fucken line.
THE BEEF
Basile is World class loser ................... :D
Refreshing news: very soon old Vincenza will be on restricted driving licence :'( , time lord is after him too..................... ................ ;D
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Restricted license, do tell.
THE BEEF
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Restricted license, do tell.
THE BEEF
Old farts like him eventually get restricted , they can drive 30km max from theirs shacks ;D
Mr.Time vs mr.Canada '70 :D , guess who win 8)
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Basile is an honest and mentally well balanced gentleman, and I refuse to believe that he has engaged in such behaviour in the past.
Earth is flat too................ ;D
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sold for 10k
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The Sandow is a coveted award that few have won. We won't be seeing many ever go on sale while the champions are alive.
That means there might be some available from estates of champions who have died. Larry and Sergio are gone. I don't think
Sergio's trophies would come up for auction because Sergio Jr would treasure them. I wonder about Larry's estate.
Does anyone here know what has happened to Larry's trophies?
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When Larry won, he only got a CROWN for both 1965 & 1966, the Sandow came later when Frank Zane got it in 1977:
"Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia was never presented with the Sandow on stage for his two Olympia wins, nor was Sergio Oliva for any of his three victories."
"It reappeared briefly as a trophy in 1950 and then was resurrected most gloriously of all at the Mr. Olympia contest of 1977."
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When Larry won, he only got a CROWN for both 1965 & 1966, the Sandow came later when Frank Zane got it in 1977:
"Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia was never presented with the Sandow on stage for his two Olympia wins, nor was Sergio Oliva for any of his three victories."
"It reappeared briefly as a trophy in 1950 and then was resurrected most gloriously of all at the Mr. Olympia contest of 1977."
I stand corrected. You would think that Joe would have awarded Sandows to all the winners, even years later as a nice gesture. Wait, that would have cost a lot of money so Joe wouldn't have done that.
Whoever sold it insisted his identity not be disclosed.
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sold for 10k
Over on RX they think it was either Ronnie or Frank who sold their Sandow. THE BEEF thinks Dickerson, he's mid 70's, his health is not the best, he has no kids to leave it to and he never made the money the current guys make.
THE BEEF
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Zane with his 3 Sandow statues 1977, 78, 79
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which getbigger bought it?
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I stand corrected. You would think that Joe would have awarded Sandows to all the winners, even years later as a nice gesture. Wait, that would have cost a lot of money so Joe wouldn't have done that.
Whoever sold it insisted his identity not be disclosed.
Says WHO, plastic trophy presenter ;D
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Zane with his 3 Sandow statues 1977, 78, 79
Don't mean to hijack this thread but boy Sammir Banout 1983 smokes any version of Frank Zane.
Woooshhhhhh
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which getbigger bought it?
Uncle Joon. He will give it to BigRo.
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sold for 10k
Whose Sandow was this that sold for 10K? Bannout? Dickerson?
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Don't mean to hijack this thread but boy Sammir Banout 1983 smokes any version of Frank Zane.
Woooshhhhhh
Samir's physique was amazing. Gold standard for his height in my books.
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Samir's physique was amazing. Gold standard for his height in my books.
Wide waisted. Otherwise incredible.
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Hi. Wondering if anyone has a reasonably priced Sandow statue for sale? Also, are there any 3-D printer versions of the classic Sandow statue that you could recommend? I would be looking for a statue 12 inches or larger in a material suitable for display to compliment my Louis Cyr plaster statue to demonstrate the contrast between the two. Thank you for any suggestions or information you can supply. All the best.
Eric
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Hi. Wondering if anyone has a reasonably priced Sandow statue for sale? Also, are there any 3-D printer versions of the classic Sandow statue that you could recommend? I would be looking for a statue 12 inches or larger in a material suitable for display to compliment my Louis Cyr plaster statue to demonstrate the contrast between the two. Thank you for any suggestions or information you can supply. All the best.
Eric
I have 8 Sandows if you`re interested !!
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Hi. Wondering if anyone has a reasonably priced Sandow statue for sale? Also, are there any 3-D printer versions of the classic Sandow statue that you could recommend? I would be looking for a statue 12 inches or larger in a material suitable for display to compliment my Louis Cyr plaster statue to demonstrate the contrast between the two. Thank you for any suggestions or information you can supply. All the best.
Eric
i've got a pair of Sandow split grip dumbells from the 1800s. including the original packaging and instructions.
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I would be looking for a 12 inches or larger
I think Matt's is 7.45" so he cannot be of much help here...
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i've got a pair of Sandow split grip dumbells from the 1800s. including the original packaging and instructions.
Funk?
Thats a pretty sweet item!What do you think its worth Hazbin?
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Funk?
Thats a pretty sweet item!What do you think its worth Hazbin?
like the rest of my collectibles, lots if you want to buy them, and fukkall if you want to sell them.
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like the rest of my collectibles, lots if you want to buy them, and fukkall if you want to sell them.
Sounds like you’ve been on PawnStars.
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Sounds like you’ve been on PawnStars.
haha, in the store not on the show
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/324196900436
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Thanks to those of you who replied.All the best.
Eric
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Pretty sure Aaron Singerman bought the Olympia Sandow for $10K at the time...
This one is a cool replica... Sandow 1896 Bodybuilding Statue Antique Replica NOT Mr Olympia/ Hammer Strength
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I think Matt's is 7.45" so he cannot be of much help here...
I wish, but then - my friend has 7.75", and his most recent girlfriend could barely fit it to start. Things worked out [until they broke up], but I think it's safe to say the universal ideal size is probably 7", until they get too big.
I'd take a CM on my dick, but not much more. I don't think women think much more is better, although some do.
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I wish, but then - my friend has 7.75", and his most recent girlfriend could barely fit it to start. Things worked out [until they broke up], but I think it's safe to say the universal ideal size is probably 7", until they get too big.
I'd take a CM on my dick, but not much more. I don't think women think much more is better, although some do.