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https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/news-george-foreman-explains-why-he-passed-up-a-boxing-fight-with-tyson-20191118?source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2AB-YHHe7sOd34XFCI7YjHjFcW5e8xvx3-yWSmomhizg6g-RjRZ8vlVTo
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Good read.
Thanks.
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I guess you missed the bolded quote...
And 'Big George' explained to ESPN why he was "scared" of 'Iron Mike' and avoided the chance of setting up a blockbuster boxing match.
"That guy was a nightmare in the ring," the 70-year-old boxing legend said.
"If he missed you with his left, then missed you with his right, he'd bite you.
"I didn't want anything to do with that guy.
"He was sacred and I was glad of that.
"I didn't want a part of Mike Tyson."
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I guess you missed the bolded quote...
And 'Big George' explained to ESPN why he was "scared" of 'Iron Mike' and avoided the chance of setting up a blockbuster boxing match.
"That guy was a nightmare in the ring," the 70-year-old boxing legend said.
"If he missed you with his left, then missed you with his right, he'd bite you.
"I didn't want anything to do with that guy.
"He was sacred and I was glad of that.
"I didn't want a part of Mike Tyson."
Saw that. Typo? Gibberish?
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Saw that. Typo? Gibberish?
No. Reads like he was saying he was glad Tyson was scared of him, because Tyson would be the type of fighter and person who would give him nightmares.
That mutual reluctance to fight each other explaining why they never met in the ring
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I guess you missed the bolded quote...
And 'Big George' explained to ESPN why he was "scared" of 'Iron Mike' and avoided the chance of setting up a blockbuster boxing match.
"That guy was a nightmare in the ring," the 70-year-old boxing legend said.
"If he missed you with his left, then missed you with his right, he'd bite you.
"I didn't want anything to do with that guy.
"He was sacred and I was glad of that.
"I didn't want a part of Mike Tyson."
Don't be sacred homie!
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I guess you missed the bolded quote...
And 'Big George' explained to ESPN why he was "scared" of 'Iron Mike' and avoided the chance of setting up a blockbuster boxing match.
"That guy was a nightmare in the ring," the 70-year-old boxing legend said.
"If he missed you with his left, then missed you with his right, he'd bite you.
"I didn't want anything to do with that guy.
"He was sacred and I was glad of that.
"I didn't want a part of Mike Tyson."
Sacred
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Sacred
When you finish your shift at Sainsburys go watch the actual interview. Tyson stuff starts at 15.00
Tyson was was scared of Foreman. Confirmed by Foreman
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When you finish your shift at Sainsburys go watch the actual interview. Tyson stuff starts at 15.00
Tyson was was scared of Foreman. Confirmed by Foreman
Yeh cos Foreman wouldn't say that anyway would he
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Yeh cos Foreman wouldn't say that anyway would he
The quotes from the article you posted are from this interview you bellend
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I bet Foreman would've knocked out Mike Tyson had they fought between the years of 1991-1993, when Tyson was sentenced to prison. Foreman had those heavy hands and was weighing close to 260 during those years. The accumulation of those heavy punches would've dropped Tyson in the middle to later rounds of a fight. Foreman was unmatched in punching power.
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I bet Foreman would've knocked out Mike Tyson had they fought between the years of 1991-1993, when Tyson was sentenced to prison. Foreman had those heavy hands and was weighing close to 260 during those years. The accumulation of those heavy punches would've dropped Tyson in the middle to later rounds of a fight. Foreman was unmatched in punching power.
Yeh he goes the distance with Axel Schultz and Lou Saverese but ko s Tyson
Ok
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Call it a day Mr Avey.
The article based on the interview is meant to somehow meant to be more accurate than the interview itself?
Thread fail
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Class guy that George.
Smart too.
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Yeh he goes the distance with Axel Schultz and Lou Saverese but ko s Tyson
Ok
It's all about the matchup. Foreman went the distance with Holyfield too. Tyson was overrated. Sorry for all you Tyson nut huggers but it's true. Besides Michael Spinks, who else did he beat that was a marquee fighter? Frank Bruno? Hardly. What happened when he faced Holyfield? He got his ass handed to him. If Holyfield would've fought Tyson before he went to prison the result would've been the same. Tyson was dominant against inferior competition during his prime years.
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Big George likes to talk a lot of shit. Guarantee you he was NEVER scared of Mike Tyson. Or anyone else he ever squared off with for that matter. He was a mean, mean dude.
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It's all about the matchup. Foreman went the distance with Holyfield too. Tyson was overrated. Sorry for all you Tyson nut huggers but it's true. Besides Michael Spinks, who else did he beat that was a marquee fighter? Frank Bruno? Hardly. What happened when he faced Holyfield? He got his ass handed to him. If Holyfield would've fought Tyson before he went to prison the result would've been the same. Tyson was dominant against inferior competition during his prime years.
Woogs,
I've heard that one before. Is this basically the consensus?
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I bet Foreman would've knocked out Mike Tyson had they fought between the years of 1991-1993, when Tyson was sentenced to prison. Foreman had those heavy hands and was weighing close to 260 during those years. The accumulation of those heavy punches would've dropped Tyson in the middle to later rounds of a fight. Foreman was unmatched in punching power.
Didn’t help him much against Ali.
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Get real.
Tyson in his prime would have killed old George.
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Get real.
Tyson in his prime would have killed old George.
No
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Would have fancied Tyson stopping old Foreman in under 8 rounds. George was too slow, cumbersome at that stage. Sure, he could still punch hard but Tyson isn't some blown up LHW like Moorer.
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Foreman in his prime got beat by an old Ali.
No way was an old George going to beat a young Tyson.
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Foreman in his prime got beat by an old Ali.
No way was an old George going to beat a young Tyson.
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Correct.
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Foreman in his prime got beat by an old Ali.
No way was an old George going to beat a young Tyson.
Your logic is awful. First of all you do realize Ali is the goat heavyweight. Second of all styles make fights. Ali and Tyson have polar opposite styles. Tyson was made for Foreman. Ali, like Jimmy young had the perfect styles to beat Foreman. Ali would have also beat Tyson btw. Also Ali was maybe 33 when he beat George. That's not old.
Further...
The reasoning that fighter a beat fighter b therefore fighter c can beat fighter b has no logic whatsoever. I mean since Buster Douglas thoroughly trounced a prime Tyson then we can we assume chris Byrd would have beat tyson too? No obviously we can't draw that conclusion.
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Your logic is awful. First of all you do realize Ali is the goat heavyweight. Second of all styles make fights. Ali and Tyson have polar opposite styles. Tyson was made for Foreman. Ali, like Jimmy young had the perfect styles to beat Foreman. Ali would have also beat Tyson btw. Also Ali was maybe 33 when he beat George. That's not old.
Further...
The reasoning that fighter a beat fighter b therefore fighter c can beat fighter b has no logic whatsoever. I mean since Buster Douglas thoroughly trounced a prime Tyson then we can we assume chris Byrd would have beat tyson too? No obviously we can't draw that conclusion.
Tyson wasn't in his prime when he lost to Douglas.
I watched that fight on PPV.
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Tyson wasn't in his prime when he lost to Douglas.
I watched that fight on PPV.
he took the fight after sacking Kevin Rooney and having pricks in his corner whos only advice was "fuck him up Mike"
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he took the fight after sacking Kevin Rooney and having pricks in his corner whos only advice was "fuck him up Mike"
True - Also Douglas was down for over 10 seconds - The Fight should’ve been stopped
And Tyson The Winner.
Great shame what became of Mike without Cus & Rooney,
Completely exploited & used.
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Old George would've gave him problems. I honestly don't know how it would've ended. Far lesser tall fighters than Foreman gave Tyson problems and flustered him, and if it went late, Foreman would probably beat him.
Young George would trounce a prime Tyson.
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Old George would've gave him problems. I honestly don't know how it would've ended. Far lesser tall fighters than Foreman gave Tyson problems and flustered him, and if it went late, Foreman would probably beat him.
Young George would trounce a prime Tyson.
Young George Didn’t Trounce Ali
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Young George Didn’t Trounce Ali
He still beat Norton, Frazier, and Ron Lyle. Foreman was tall, fought a better overall class of fighter, wouldn't be scared, was tremendously tough, and shown he could do alright in the later rounds.
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Tyson wasn't in his prime when he lost to Douglas.
I watched that fight on PPV.
He most certainly was in his prime. I saw it live too. He was 24 years old when he lost to Douglas. He fought from 1985 to 2005. He fought Douglas in 1990.
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Tyson in his prime would have beaten over the hill Foreman. Foreman in his prime would have beaten Tyson in his prime. Know Foreman is very humble now and never brags about himself. Truth be told he was a killer in his prime. I really don't know what happened to him in that Ali fight. He almost looks like he was drugged. If he had to have a loss in his prime then I guess Ali was the one to lose to. Foreman really had an off night.
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Tyson in his prime would have beaten over the hill Foreman. Foreman in his prime would have beaten Tyson in his prime. Know Foreman is very humble now and never brags about himself. Truth be told he was a killer in his prime. I really don't know what happened to him in that Ali fight. He almost looks like he was drugged. If he had to have a loss in his prime then I guess Ali was the one to lose to. Foreman really had an off night.
Did you see the part in the interview where he said he was better at fighting shorter men? That would lead me to believe that he may have been able to beat Mike Tyson.
As for the comment about Tyson not being in his prime when he fought Buster Douglas; I think that fight was in February, and Tyson's birthday is in June, if I'm not mistaken. That means Tyson was only 23 when he lost to Buster Douglas. So...is 23 not being in your prime?
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He still beat Norton, Frazier, and Ron Lyle. Foreman was tall, fought a better overall class of fighter, wouldn't be scared, was tremendously tough, and shown he could do alright in the later rounds.
And none of that helped him or counted for much against a Post Peak Ali
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Tyson in his prime would have beaten over the hill Foreman. Foreman in his prime would have beaten Tyson in his prime. Know Foreman is very humble now and never brags about himself. Truth be told he was a killer in his prime. I really don't know what happened to him in that Ali fight. He almost looks like he was drugged. If he had to have a loss in his prime then I guess Ali was the one to lose to. Foreman really had an off night.
He was out Thought - Ali had worked out how to beat him
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Tyson in his prime would have beaten over the hill Foreman. Foreman in his prime would have beaten Tyson in his prime. Know Foreman is very humble now and never brags about himself. Truth be told he was a killer in his prime. I really don't know what happened to him in that Ali fight. He almost looks like he was drugged. If he had to have a loss in his prime then I guess Ali was the one to lose to. Foreman really had an off night.
Ali dealt with the conditions and humidity of Zaire better than Foreman did. I would also fancy Foreman beating Tyson if both at the primes.
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It's all about the matchup. Foreman went the distance with Holyfield too. Tyson was overrated. Sorry for all you Tyson nut huggers but it's true. Besides Michael Spinks, who else did he beat that was a marquee fighter? Frank Bruno? Hardly. What happened when he faced Holyfield? He got his ass handed to him. If Holyfield would've fought Tyson before he went to prison the result would've been the same. Tyson was dominant against inferior competition during his prime years.
Tyson fought using the Cus D'Amato "peak a boo" style of fighting that is advantageous for a fighter who is shorter and has a shorter reach on his opponent. It is also a young man's fighting style because of all the head movement and bending of the knees and waist. After Tyson dropped Kevin Rooney as a trainer he no longer trained extensively with the training drills required to master this fighting style. Add aging and a few years off completely to serve the prison term he wasn't anywhere close to the same fighter. Had he kept Rooney who knows what the '90's would have been for him but he would have deteriorated faster than most fighters anyway because of the younger man style and he has admitted this in interviews. Look at his early fights and the foot work and movement compared to his later fights where he walked flatfooted and ate jabs all fight. Totally different fighter.
George Foreman fought a totally different style than Tyson and kept most of his skill into old age. He was huge physically with a mastodon bone structure which created crushing power and he used it. Even when he was an old man in the ring he could always end a fight with one big punch.
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I know fuck all about boxing but being as I’m a betting man all my money would go on Tyson.
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Did you see the part in the interview where he said he was better at fighting shorter men? That would lead me to believe that he may have been able to beat Mike Tyson.
As for the comment about Tyson not being in his prime when he fought Buster Douglas; I think that fight was in February, and Tyson's birthday is in June, if I'm not mistaken. That means Tyson was only 23 when he lost to Buster Douglas. So...is 23 not being in your prime?
Tyson was drinking and taking prescription drugs by then. He also wasn't training like he use to do. Ever see him on Oprah when he married that actress? He looks drugged out of his mind. Psychologically he was a shell of himself. I do give Buster a ton of credit. He fought the fight of his life.
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True - Also Douglas was down for over 10 seconds - The Fight should’ve been stopped
And Tyson The Winner.
Great shame what became of Mike without Cus & Rooney,
Completely exploited & used.
100% true. I sometimes think how dramatically different Tyson's life and career would have been if Cus stuck around for another five years when Mike still essentially had the mind of a child and if Kevin Rooney was there until the end. When you think of what Mike accomplished and became such a legend despite all the obstacles in his career imagine if the team held together? I think he would have been the greatest boxer that ever lived.
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Tyson in his prime would have beaten over the hill Foreman. Foreman in his prime would have beaten Tyson in his prime. Know Foreman is very humble now and never brags about himself. Truth be told he was a killer in his prime. I really don't know what happened to him in that Ali fight. He almost looks like he was drugged. If he had to have a loss in his prime then I guess Ali was the one to lose to. Foreman really had an off night.
Not a one off, Ali is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. I cannot think of another heavyweight champion who would've beaten a prime Ali.
Aside from that Foreman was still just a kid from the Houston ghetto of the 5th ward. Going to Africa and hearing the crowds chant "Ali kill him!," fucked with George's mind.
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he took the fight after sacking Kevin Rooney and having pricks in his corner whos only advice was "fuck him up Mike"
Not only that, his idiot corner men didn't use an en-swell to deal with Tyson's swollen eye against Douglas. Instead, they used a blown up condom filled with cold water. If they had used one, Tyson might have saw that huge uppercut coming that led to the knockout.
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Foreman thinks Joe Louis was the best heavyweight of all time.
Tyson got messed up for a couple reasons:
1) Cus D'Amato died.
2) He married Robin Givens.
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Not a one off, Ali is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. I cannot think of another heavyweight champion who would've beaten a prime Ali.
Aside from that Foreman was still just a kid from the Houston ghetto of the 5th ward. Going to Africa and hearing the crowds chant "Ali kill him!," fucked with George's mind.
How about the fighters who beat him in his prime? Ali got a lot of gifts. I have watched a lot of classic fights recently and I am now convinced Ali is THE most overrated fighter in heavyweight history. Ken Norton crushed the first time (broke his jaw and won) and lost "controversial" decisions which he clearly won in the other two. Ali struggled against the "bum of the month" club he fought through the 70's. Frazier should have won 2 of the 3 fights they fought as well. Seems the judges always gave the benefit of the doubt to Ali maybe because Howard Cossell was constantly screaming at ringside about how Ali was dominating the fight when he was actually losing.
Ali was the media's darling because he came out against the war and was a black radical which they favored. Guys like Norton, Foreman and Frazier were not political and weren't showoffs so they were not pushed to the forefront like Ali. Remember Ali before one of the Frazier fights with the gorilla toy and calling Frazier a gorilla? Imagine a white fighter getting away with that. ::)
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How about the fighters who beat him in his prime? Ali got a lot of gifts. I have watched a lot of classic fights recently and I am now convinced Ali is THE most overrated fighter in heavyweight history. Ken Norton crushed the first time (broke his jaw and won) and lost "controversial" decisions which he clearly won in the other two. Ali struggled against the "bum of the month" club he fought through the 70's. Frazier should have won 2 of the 3 fights they fought as well. Seems the judges always gave the benefit of the doubt to Ali maybe because Howard Cossell was constantly screaming at ringside about how Ali was dominating the fight when he was actually losing.
Ali was the media's darling because he came out against the war and was a black radical which they favored. Guys like Norton, Foreman and Frazier were not political and weren't showoffs so they were not pushed to the forefront like Ali. Remember Ali before one of the Frazier fights with the gorilla toy and calling Frazier a gorilla? Imagine a white fighter getting away with that. ::)
No one beat Ali in his prime. I can't really talk to you anymore about it. If you think Frazier deserved 2 of the fights against Ali it says 1) you didn't watch all of the fights or 2) you're an idiot. Ali won virtually every round of the rematch with Frazier and stopped him in the rubber match.
Norton had a difficult style and sort of had Alis number. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Calling Ali overrated is absurd but even if he is hes still the goat. No one even comes close.
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No one beat Ali in his prime.
What do you consider his prime? Does the whole 70's decade not count?
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What do you consider his prime? Does the whole 70's decade not count?
Please see my edit to the previous post. His prime ended while he was in exile. His losses came after his ban from boxing was lifted. After his prime.
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No one beat Ali in his prime. I can't really talk to you anymore about it. If you think Frazier deserved 2 of the fights against Ali it says 1) you didn't watch all of the fights or 2) you're an idiot. Ali won virtually every round of the rematch with Frazier and stopped him in the rubber match.
Norton had a difficult style and sort of had Alis number. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Calling Ali overrated is absurd but even if he is hes still the goat. No one even comes close.
I clearly stated how Norton dominated Ali so I guess it means I do know what I was talking about. Why is a fighter's "prime" always talked about anyway? It's just an excuse for losses later in their career. If a fighter isn't in their prime to fight why are they taking the fight? If Rocky Marciano lost his last 10 fights would we be talking about how he was the greatest fighter during his prime?
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100% true. I sometimes think how dramatically different Tyson's life and career would have been if Cus stuck around for another five years when Mike still essentially had the mind of a child and if Kevin Rooney was there until the end. When you think of what Mike accomplished and became such a legend despite all the obstacles in his career imagine if the team held together? I think he would have been the greatest boxer that ever lived.
Exactly Right - Had Cus & Rooney Been with Him,
No doubt He’d of Been right at the top of the tree with Ali.
From a Fighting / Boxing Point of view it’s a Great shame what happened & Became of Mike.
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I clearly stated how Norton dominated Ali so I guess it means I do know what I was talking about. Why is a fighter's "prime" always talked about anyway? It's just an excuse for losses later in their career. If a fighter isn't in their prime to fight why are they taking the fight? If Rocky Marciano lost his last 10 fights would we be talking about how he was the greatest fighter during his prime?
Every fighter loses sooner or later. So it's pointless to point out a fighter's loss as evidence of their lack of greatness. The undefeated fighter is the rare exception. Judging based on their loses doesn't capture their whole career or full spectrum of their talents.
Norton did not dominate Ali. All those fights were close. Every single one was a split decision. Norton did better than anyone expected and gave Ali the most difficulty of anyone. But just because he did better than expected doesn't mean he dominated. We talk about primes because it's the metric for total ability. These are hypothetical discussions so talking about their prime makes it somewhat objective.
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Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton ..........etc . Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights than the heavies of the past, I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a 14 inch reach advantage would've been a nightmare for Tyson
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Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton ..........etc . Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights than the heavies of the past, I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a 14 inch reach advantage would've been a nightmare for Tyson
Another dumbass comment.
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Another dumbass comment.
STFU ,you don't know a fucking thing about boxing
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these threads are just
phil vs 1993 flex
or Yates vs ronnie
haha ;D
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Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton ..........etc . Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights than the heavies of the past, I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a 14 inch reach advantage would've been a nightmare for Tyson
Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali.
Tyson was a front runner. The king of "the silent agreement". I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants. Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.
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Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali.
Tyson was a front runner. The king of "the silent agreement". I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants. Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.
Imagine how Tyson would be wound up by Ali in the build up to the fight... Ali would have played with him
And Tyson was great until he met someone who wasnt scared of him
Frazier, Foreman and Liston werent scared of any fighter, Liston was scared of the mob though...
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I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a 14 inch reach advantage would've been a nightmare for Tyson
Fury said in an interview after he beat Klitschko that he actually prefers fighting taller boxers since he finds them easier to hit and defend against. I think he feels shorter fighters can slip under his jab and cause him more problems. McDermott gave a young Fury hell in their first fight and cruiserweight Cunningham dropped him.
I actually think Andy Ruiz will be the most challenging fight for Fury for this reason.
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Imagine how Tyson would be wound up by Ali in the build up to the fight... Ali would have played with him
And Tyson was great until he met someone who wasnt scared of him
Frazier, Foreman and Liston werent scared of any fighter, Liston was scared of the mob though...
would have been a great fight watching two muslims beating each other to a pulp.
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Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali.
Tyson was a front runner. The king of "the silent agreement". I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants. Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.
Listen was far weaker minded. Also weaker, slower, smaller.
Tyson wins quick
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Listen was far weaker minded. Also weaker, slower, smaller.
Tyson wins quick
No sir. Listons jab would have not only kept Mike at bay, but hurt him and discouraged him. I love Mike Tyson and how he has persevered in spite of all he's been through. He is winning the battle of life, finally. But, Sonny Liston was a straight up gangster. Mike was always a scared little boy on the inside. If Mike didn't get him inside of 3, he had ZERO chance.
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Tyson has freely admitted that he was scared of all his opponents. I think that's what made him so ferocious - until he didn't care about losing any more.
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Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton ..........etc . Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights than the heavies of the past, I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a 14 inch reach advantage would've been a nightmare for Tyson
Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.
I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.
The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.
The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.
(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.
Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?
When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...
when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.
“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.
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these threads are just
phil vs 1993 flex
or Yates vs ronnie
haha ;D
Ronnie.
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Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.
I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.
The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.
The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.
(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.
Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?
When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...
when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.
“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.
Talk to those that know/knew him. They'll tell you otherwise. He was a once in a generation talent but mentally weak.
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Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.
I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.
The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.
The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.
(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.
Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?
When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...
when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.
“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.
Good post ,I agree that Tyson beat himself but not because of his defense , I think it was the combination of past demons, no guidance by vultures and leeches around him ,money ,fame , the lack of training because he thought he was invincible, and going to jail completely killed his career ,the Tyson post jail didn't have it in him anymore .
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Talk to those that know/knew him. They'll tell you otherwise. He was a once in a generation talent but mentally weak.
C'mon man you are just repeating what other retards say , you don't become the youngest Heavyweight Champion of the world, in one of the toughest sports in the world being mentally weak , common sense bro.
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C'mon man you are just repeating what other retards say , you don't become the youngest Heavyweight Champion of the world, in one of the toughest sports in the world being mentally weak , common sense bro.
No. Not really. Been obsessed with boxing since I was 8. These are my observations, not those of other retards. You come across as a fan boy. His talent and god given physical attributes are undeniable. His prime was in a weak era (not his fault) but the guys from that era that didn't crumble went 12 boring ass rounds with him. So imagine if Bonecrusher Smith had a quarter of Sonny Liston in him, what would have happened. You don't have to imagine because Buster Douglass came along and showed us.
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Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.
I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.
The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.
The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.
(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.
Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?
When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...
when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.
“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.
Excellent post.
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Teddy Atlas summed Tyson up best.. when it came down to it he had no fight in him, he couldnt dig down in the trenches, he always had an advantage over his opponents because of the media hype that surroinded him, once his mask was removed he was fair game.
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Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.
I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.
The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.
The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.
(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.
Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?
When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...
when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.
“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.
You know your boxing Johnny. 8)
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STFU ,you don't know a fucking thing about boxing
More than you, chump.
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Tyson was mentally fragile. He was a physical specimen and a student of boxing. When he had Kevin Rooney in his corner he had enough discipline to become the youngest Hvywt champ. But Mike has said it it himself. He was a head case if you can't see that you're blind. An example is being manipulated into dumping Rooney for Aaron Snowell and Ritchis Giachetti. Seriously. His mental weakness is self evident. Its plainly obvious. It was his downfall. Fans of his allow their fondness of his brutality in the ring and his brutal honesty out of the ring to cloud their judgement of him as a person.
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He was a head case if you can't see that you're blind.
Let me tell you a secret ,(and I know this because I spent 20 years of my life in a boxing gym around professional and amateur boxers) , 90 % maybe more of boxers are mental cases , everyone struggles , the only difference is that , some just hide it better than others .
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Let me tell you a secret ,(and I know this because I spent 20 years of my life in a boxing gym around professional and amateur boxers) , 90 % maybe more of boxers are mental cases , everyone struggles , the only difference is that , some just hide it better than others .
For once I am in agreement with you.... now...
Let me tell you a secret: you're not the only person to have spent years in a boxing gym.
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Foreman did well trying to put his name out there when he came back in 1987, he created a huge hype's machine behind himself, and Tyson obviously was the guy to call out since he was the man.
Tyson also was considered somewhat similar to Frazier, by many that don't know what they're watching, so lots of people thought that Foreman had a chance. Add to that some propaganda's articles by insiders, and you had all the hype behind a possible Tyson-Foreman's matchup, with the rumor that Tyson was scared.
Now, i don't know if Foreman would've took the fight or not, seeing how he carefully picked all his opponents and avoided the big guys, probably not unless huge money. What's sure is that he had no chance whatsoever in that fight.
Foreman, who was a bigger, stronger and a better fighter when he came back, compared to his 70s caveman, lighter and green version of himself, was really too slow to compete with Tyson, and not athletic enough.
No heavyweight before Tyson's time would beat him, especially punching-bag Muhammad Ali. Tyson was too fast, too technically sound, too strong, too athletic and hit too hard for the limited guys from the 70s, 60s and before.
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Foreman did well trying to put his name out there when he came back in 1987, he created a huge hype's machine behind himself, and Tyson obviously was the guy to call out since he was the man.
Tyson also was considered somewhat similar to Frazier, by many that don't know what they're watching, so lots of people thought that Foreman had a chance. Add to that some propaganda's articles by insiders, and you had all the hype behind a possible Tyson-Foreman's matchup, with the rumor that Tyson was scared.
Now, i don't know if Foreman would've took the fight or not, seeing how he carefully picked all his opponents and avoided the big guys, probably not unless huge money. What's sure is that he had no chance whatsoever in that fight.
Foreman, who was a bigger, stronger and a better fighter when he came back, compared to his 70s caveman, lighter and green version of himself, was really too slow to compete with Tyson, and not athletic enough.
No heavyweight before Tyson's time would beat him, especially punching-bag Muhammad Ali. Tyson was too fast, too technically sound, too strong, too athletic and hit too hard for the limited guys from the 70s, 60s and before.
You no ZERO about boxing. Please don't post in boxing threads going forward.
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You no ZERO about boxing. Please don't post in boxing threads going forward.
Says who, you? And why, because i said Tyson would beat the crap out of those 70s hypejobs?
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Foreman did well trying to put his name out there when he came back in 1987, he created a huge hype's machine behind himself, and Tyson obviously was the guy to call out since he was the man.
Tyson also was considered somewhat similar to Frazier, by many that don't know what they're watching, so lots of people thought that Foreman had a chance. Add to that some propaganda's articles by insiders, and you had all the hype behind a possible Tyson-Foreman's matchup, with the rumor that Tyson was scared.
Now, i don't know if Foreman would've took the fight or not, seeing how he carefully picked all his opponents and avoided the big guys, probably not unless huge money. What's sure is that he had no chance whatsoever in that fight.
Foreman, who was a bigger, stronger and a better fighter when he came back, compared to his 70s caveman, lighter and green version of himself, was really too slow to compete with Tyson, and not athletic enough.
No heavyweight before Tyson's time would beat him, especially punching-bag Muhammad Ali. Tyson was too fast, too technically sound, too strong, too athletic and hit too hard for the limited guys from the 70s, 60s and before.
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Come on man, the 70s was the golden era in heavyweight boxing. Any of the top 25 from then would smash these clowns from today
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Come on man, the 70s was the golden era in heavyweight boxing. Any of the top 25 from then would smash these clowns from today
lenny mclean would have ruled london if he was around now.
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Foreman did well trying to put his name out there when he came back in 1987, he created a huge hype's machine behind himself, and Tyson obviously was the guy to call out since he was the man.
Tyson also was considered somewhat similar to Frazier, by many that don't know what they're watching, so lots of people thought that Foreman had a chance. Add to that some propaganda's articles by insiders, and you had all the hype behind a possible Tyson-Foreman's matchup, with the rumor that Tyson was scared.
Now, i don't know if Foreman would've took the fight or not, seeing how he carefully picked all his opponents and avoided the big guys, probably not unless huge money. What's sure is that he had no chance whatsoever in that fight.
Foreman, who was a bigger, stronger and a better fighter when he came back, compared to his 70s caveman, lighter and green version of himself, was really too slow to compete with Tyson, and not athletic enough.
No heavyweight before Tyson's time would beat him, especially punching-bag Muhammad Ali. Tyson was too fast, too technically sound, too strong, too athletic and hit too hard for the limited guys from the 70s, 60s and before.
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If Frazier beat Ali ,Tyson could have beaten Ali also, technically there is not one thing Frazier did better than Tyson.
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If Frazier beat Ali ,Tyson could have beaten Ali also, technically there is not one thing Frazier did better than Tyson.
Flawed logic.
One could just as easily say:
If Buster Douglas beat Tyson. Ali would beat Tyson. Technically there is not one thing Buster did better than Ali.
The 'if so and so beat so and so then....' argument is pointless for reasons already mentioned in this thread.
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Flawed logic.
One could just as easily say
If Buster Douglas beat Tyson. Ali would beat Tyson. Technically there is not one thing Buster did better than Ali.
The 'if so and so beat so and so then....' argument is pointless for reasons already mentioned in this thread.
Yeah Ali could beat Tyson ,what's your point ???
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Yeah Ali could beat Tyson ,what's your point ???
Jesus christ! can you read? Or is comprehension your problem?
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Jesus christ! can you read? Or is comprehension your problem?
Haha ,can you read? taking about comprehension problems .
I said could you said would , do you know the difference ? many poster here think that Tyson would't stand a chance against Ali , and said if Frazier beat Ali ,Tyson COULD beat him too ,comprende.
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Haha ,can you read? taking about comprehension problems .
I said could you said would , do you know the difference ? many poster here think that Tyson would't stand a chance against Ali , and said if Frazier beat Ali ,Tyson COULD beat him too ,comprende.
Ali and Douglas were very different boxers. Tyson and Frazier had similar styles with Tyson being more skilled and sophisticated.
Che's analogy is very credible.
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lenny mclean would have ruled london if he was around now.
Not sure, Mr Hunt rules London nowadays
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Haha ,can you read? taking about comprehension problems .
I said could you said would , do you know the difference ? many poster here think that Tyson would't stand a chance against Ali , and said if Frazier beat Ali ,Tyson COULD beat him too ,comprende.
1. Ali would most likely beat Tyson.
2. Could/would doesn't change the point of my post, of which you asked ' what's your point'
3. You are still missing the point.
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1. Ali would most likely beat Tyson.
2. Could/would doesn't change the point of my post, of which you asked ' what's your point'
3. You are still missing the point.
Agreed.
He probably would have also caused Tyson to meltdown before the fight with all his pre-fight antics. The same way he mocked Frazier, but Frazier was psychologically stronger.
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Ali and Douglas were very different boxers. Tyson and Frazier had similar styles with Tyson being more skilled and sophisticated.
Che's analogy is very credible.
If you say so. I would argue that Douglas was more similar to Ali than Frazier was to Tyson.
At his best, Douglas used a flicking jab, right cross, foot work and lateral movement. Same style as Ali. Unless you're thinking of the older Ali who relied on the rope a dope and counter punching.
Frazier used his left hook almost exclusively. The only real similarity with Tyson was his stature and head movement.
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Agreed.
He probably would have also caused Tyson to meltdown before the fight with all his pre-fight antics. The same way he mocked Frazier, but Frazier was psychologically stronger.
Excellent point. I hadn't even considered that but you are absolutely right.
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Perfectly serious, nothing controversial about it either. Foreman cherry-picked his way through the 90s, facing blown-up light-heavies and cruisers, and guys he outweighed, outsized massively.
Notice that he never faced the big guys and/or big punchers like Lewis, Golota, Bowe, Tucker, Bruno, Ruddock and such. I wonder why, it's pretty obvious.
And yes Tyson would be too fast, strong and good for a slow plodder like Foreman or a featherfisted punching-bag like Ali.
Regarding the 70s being the "golden era", that's propaganda nonsense. The HWs from the 90s, 2000s and even today were and are far superior boxers and athletes, hype doesn't equal abilities.
The 70s or 60s were a crap era, their resumes are awful, everyone gets hyped only because Ali fought in it. Foreman was the only decent HW from that era. Athletes gets better over time, not worse, boxing is no exception, people needs to actually analyze fights and resumes instead of repeating the lies and bullshits of so called historians hyping up the past.
Boxing in America was a domestic sport until the 90s and the fall of the Berlin's Wall, competition was very limited.
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Agreed.
He probably would have also caused Tyson to meltdown before the fight with all his pre-fight antics. The same way he mocked Frazier, but Frazier was psychologically stronger.
Razor Ruddick tried the pre-fight antics with Tyson and they didn't work at all.
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Perfectly serious, nothing controversial about it either. Foreman cherry-picked his way through the 90s, facing blown-up light-heavies and cruisers, and guys he outweighed, outsized massively.
Notice that he never faced the big guys and/or big punchers like Lewis, Golota, Bowe, Tucker, Bruno, Ruddock and such. I wonder why, it's pretty obvious.
And yes Tyson would be too fast, strong and good for a slow plodder like Foreman or a featherfisted punching-bag like Ali.
Regarding the 70s being the "golden era", that's propaganda nonsense. The HWs from the 90s, 2000s and even today were and are far superior boxers and athletes, hype doesn't equal abilities.
The 70s or 60s were a crap era, their resumes are awful, everyone gets hyped only because Ali fought in it. Foreman was the only decent HW from that era. Athletes gets better over time, not worse, boxing is no exception, people needs to actually analyze fights and resumes instead of repeating the lies and bullshits of so called historians hyping up the past.
Boxing in America was a domestic sport until the 90s and the fall of the Berlin's Wall, competition was very limited.
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Ali and Douglas were very different boxers. Tyson and Frazier had similar styles with Tyson being more skilled and sophisticated.
Che's analogy is very credible.
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. I would argue that Douglas was more similar to Ali than Frazier was to Tyson.
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The HWs from 2000s and even today were and are far superior boxers
I disagree
people needs to actually analyze fights and resumes instead of repeating the lies and bullshits of so called historians hyping up the past.
I agree
Razor Ruddick tried the pre-fight antics with Tyson and they didn't work at all.
Because it doesn't work, they are just selling the fight , trash talking during the fight that's a different story , it can work on your favor or against you.
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I disagree
I agree
Because it doesn't work, they are just selling the fight , trash talking during the fight that's a different story , it can work on your favor or against you.
My point was that Ali wouldn't have worked up Tyson pre fight like some think.
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You're such a putz. I have no doubt that you frequently sport the same stupefied look on display here. Chump.
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Nobody was a bigger fan of Mike Tyson than me back in the day but the dude hasn't been Heavyweight Champion in almost 25 years.
So like...........
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Nobody was a bigger fan of Mike Tyson than me back in the day but the dude hasn't been Heavyweight Champion in almost 25 years.
So like...........
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Great point
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Razor Ruddick tried the pre-fight antics with Tyson and they didn't work at all.
Razor Ruddock was a moron. Please don't ever mention Razor Ruddock in the same vein as The Greatest ever again.
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Razor Ruddock was a moron. Please don't ever mention Razor Ruddock in the same vein as The Greatest ever again.
Ali was a moron as well.
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Ali was a moron as well.
You continue to lose credibility. Learn when to walk away. You have brought a knife to a gun fight son.
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You continue to lose credibility. Learn when to walk away. You have brought a knife to a gun fight son.
An empty gun.
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An empty gun.
:)