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Title: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on October 23, 2025, 01:04:04 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/DQHsKNYgDXN/
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 23, 2025, 01:37:34 AM
Won't recover :o
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 23, 2025, 02:05:23 AM
Dorian can be brutal  :D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Raymondo on October 23, 2025, 02:09:31 AM
Never seen Dorian talk like this, interesting, he is usually very understated and discreet. Even for bigger bags of shit than Dr Mike he never said a bad word.

He laid it down pretty thick, there will be lots of tears and self abuse in Dr Mike's house today

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: gib on October 23, 2025, 04:40:47 AM
Only thing that keep growing on Mike is that GH bobble head of his...
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: IroNat on October 23, 2025, 04:49:47 AM
Awful.
Poor Dr. Mike.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Lartinos on October 23, 2025, 05:17:54 AM
I bet Dr Mike’s head looks like it will explode after hearing that.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 05:23:03 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

He claims the reason for his company Renaissance Periodization (RP) is to show the world his training/diet methods work! Except, they don't. And especially not for Mike.

Look at him...just look at him. He looks like shit. He's in his early 40s, but looks to be about 60. He's disgusting looking. Hairy and fat.

He was recently on the JustKidding podcast with a bunch of Chinese delivery drivers. His grotesque stomach was sticking out and resting on the sofa cushion of the sofa that he was slumped back on. He was on this worthless podcast doing more damage control for his PHD debacle. And his company RP sponsored this podcast that he was a guest on during which he attempted to defend himself.

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

His PHD scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. His PHD paper was reviewed by Solomon Nelson and there were 100s and 100s of errors. He even misspelled the word science. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. And then his social media company tried hiding and covering up all the errors and they got caught as well. And his PHD was junk. It was trash. His PHD paper basically concluded that fit people are fitter and strong people are stronger. His paper should never have passed. And he's been using his PHD for years as a marketing tool; and to portray himself as an exercise scientist and an intelligent researcher. He's built his business and reputation off his PHD. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 23, 2025, 05:28:13 AM
Mike Israetel has gone way too far in this industry ...

Rumors lately that bag of shit is not even a legit "doctor"  crappy physique, misshapen head and a short king "

You can hate Mentzer's weird behavior, but the guy is a legend both physically and philosophical training methods ...for someone that walked away in his prime from the OLYMPIA stage 45 years ago. That's impressive.



WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH  VLAD jr.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2025, 05:38:13 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

He claims the reason for his company Renaissance Periodization (RP) is to show the world his training/diet methods work! Except, they don't. And especially not for Mike.

Look at him...just look at him. He looks like shit. He's in his early 40s, but looks to be about 60. He's disgusting looking. Hairy and fat.

He was recently on the JustKidding podcast with a bunch of Chinese delivery drivers. His grotesque stomach was sticking out and resting on the sofa cushion of the sofa that he was slumped back on. He was on this worthless podcast doing more damage control for his PHD debacle. And his company RP sponsored this podcast that he was a guest on during which he attempted to defend himself.

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

His PHD scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. His PHD paper was reviewed by Solomon Nelson and there were 100s and 100s of errors. He even misspelled the word science. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. And then his social media company tried hiding and covering up all the errors and they got caught as well. And his PHD was junk. It was trash. His PHD paper basically concluded that fit people are fitter and strong people are stronger. His paper should never have passed. And he's been using his PHD for years as a marketing tool; and to portray himself as an exercise scientist and an intelligent researcher. He's built his business and reputation off his PHD. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.

Damn.  You should send him this.  He would cry.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Lartinos on October 23, 2025, 05:51:51 AM
In a perfect world Mike would be my Dr and Bhank would be my lawyer.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Kwon on October 23, 2025, 05:54:54 AM
If it wasnt posted from Dorians channel , id guess it was ai!


:D


BRUTAL!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: IroNat on October 23, 2025, 06:07:09 AM
In a perfect world Mike would be my Dr and Bhank would be my lawyer.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 06:20:22 AM
Damn.  You should send him this.  He would cry.

I absolutely despise him. I fucking hate him.

He achieved his success and made his fortune off lies and deception.

He boasts soooooooooo much about being smarter than every other coach, having an IQ of 160+ (smarter than A. Einstein), being bigger and stronger than Mike Mentizer; and all while looking like an obese hairy Persian tractor trailer driver.

I wish someone would look into his BJJ black belt. That has to be fraudulent as well.

 He's been deleting comments constantly and using bots to leave positive comments on all his videos. . I'm happy to see his views down and all the negative comments people are leaving.

I wish nothing but the worst for him.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 23, 2025, 06:23:25 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

He claims the reason for his company Renaissance Periodization (RP) is to show the world his training/diet methods work! Except, they don't. And especially not for Mike.

Look at him...just look at him. He looks like shit. He's in his early 40s, but looks to be about 60. He's disgusting looking. Hairy and fat.

He was recently on the JustKidding podcast with a bunch of Chinese delivery drivers. His grotesque stomach was sticking out and resting on the sofa cushion of the sofa that he was slumped back on. He was on this worthless podcast doing more damage control for his PHD debacle. And his company RP sponsored this podcast that he was a guest on during which he attempted to defend himself.

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

His PHD scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. His PHD paper was reviewed by Solomon Nelson and there were 100s and 100s of errors. He even misspelled the word science. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. And then his social media company tried hiding and covering up all the errors and they got caught as well. And his PHD was junk. It was trash. His PHD paper basically concluded that fit people are fitter and strong people are stronger. His paper should never have passed. And he's been using his PHD for years as a marketing tool; and to portray himself as an exercise scientist and an intelligent researcher. He's built his business and reputation off his PHD. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.


After having plastic surgery to have the love handles removed still fat  .... yet people keep following his advice and looking up to him.

An industry full of idiots .


WooooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hhh
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2025, 06:26:12 AM
I absolutely despise him. I fucking hate him.

He achieved his success and made his fortune off lies and deception.

He boasts soooooooooo much about being smarter than every other coach, having an IQ of 160+ (smarter than A. Einstein), being bigger and stronger than Mike Mentizer; and all while looking like an obese hairy Persian tractor trailer driver.

I wish someone would look into his BJJ black belt. That has to be fraudulent as well.

 He's been deleting comments constantly and using bots to leave positive comments on all his videos. . I'm happy to see his views down and all the negative comments people are leaving.

I wish nothing but the worst for him.

I agree with you.  He annoys the piss out of me every time he pops up on my reels.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 23, 2025, 06:40:18 AM
What's the background of this feud? What did Mike say causing Dorian to meltdown so badly?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: 38 returns on October 23, 2025, 06:42:03 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

Brian is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. Ask Patrick

His law school scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.



Are you sure its not hanky I've swapped a couple of names round!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BayGBM on October 23, 2025, 07:11:17 AM
Dorian can be brutal  :D

He is not wrong.  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 23, 2025, 07:13:40 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

He claims the reason for his company Renaissance Periodization (RP) is to show the world his training/diet methods work! Except, they don't. And especially not for Mike.

Look at him...just look at him. He looks like shit. He's in his early 40s, but looks to be about 60. He's disgusting looking. Hairy and fat.

He was recently on the JustKidding podcast with a bunch of Chinese delivery drivers. His grotesque stomach was sticking out and resting on the sofa cushion of the sofa that he was slumped back on. He was on this worthless podcast doing more damage control for his PHD debacle. And his company RP sponsored this podcast that he was a guest on during which he attempted to defend himself.

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

His PHD scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. His PHD paper was reviewed by Solomon Nelson and there were 100s and 100s of errors. He even misspelled the word science. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. And then his social media company tried hiding and covering up all the errors and they got caught as well. And his PHD was junk. It was trash. His PHD paper basically concluded that fit people are fitter and strong people are stronger. His paper should never have passed. And he's been using his PHD for years as a marketing tool; and to portray himself as an exercise scientist and an intelligent researcher. He's built his business and reputation off his PHD. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.

Fucks sake get off the fence ....
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 07:23:59 AM
What's the background of this feud? What did Mike say causing Dorian to meltdown so badly?
Mike Isratel once made a comment that he's bigger and stronger than Mentzer. I think Dorian was defending Mike being he is not able to himself. Mike Isratel also criticized Dorian's training.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Grape Ape on October 23, 2025, 07:26:40 AM
Epic brutal monster foreign botching of "in" his place.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 07:34:11 AM
I agree with you.  He annoys the piss out of me every time he pops up on my reels.
Same. And he's everywhere. Always being interviewed and always on some podcast speaking like he's an expert. He was able to book all these guest jobs based off the assumed expertise his PHD gives him.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 23, 2025, 07:34:27 AM
Mike Isratel once made a comment that he's bigger and stronger than Mentzer. I think Dorian was defending Mike being he is not able to himself. Mike Isratel also criticized Dorian's training.

his entire channel is criticising other peoples training
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 23, 2025, 07:35:00 AM
What does Dorian think about Vigorous Steve?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 07:35:23 AM

After having plastic surgery to have the love handles removed still fat  .... yet people keep following his advice and looking up to him.

An industry full of idiots .


WooooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hhh
100% agreed. He's grotesque. People still flock to him for advice when his own advice doesn't work for himself and he has to get surgery to appear leaner.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 07:43:15 AM
his entire channel is criticising other peoples training
Which is fine. Except he has no grounds or right to criticize others who look better than him, know more than him, and are more accomplished than him. And he thinks he's more knowledge than any coach out there. He has stated he could become an expert in any field that someone else excels at in less than a year.

You look worlds and worlds better than him. You are more successful in competitions than he ever will be. Any sane person would take your diet and training advice over his. His pre-contest meals consisted of chicken thighs, Gatorade, and cereal. If you trained him for a show, you would get him to actually improve. But he would never listen to you. Because he has stated that "if someone thinks they know more than him, then they can fuck off."

He has built a career and made millions off portraying himself as an educated, successful hard training bodybuilder. But he's not. He has never trained to failure, doesn't train hard, has placed horribly in all shows, can't get himself in shape, looked like crap in all shows, uses plastic surgery to get leaner vs dieting harder, and wrote a garbage PHD paper that should have never passed. Stupid head then lied and committed academic fraud to try and cover it up. Unfortunately for him, he was too stupid to even lie correctly. Hence, he got caught.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Rambone on October 23, 2025, 07:49:41 AM
What does Dorian think about Vigorous Steve?

He thinks he’s cute
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 23, 2025, 07:53:02 AM
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t51.75761-15/510950465_17992549064807323_1666636833120525541_n.webp?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=F4ULfIlNeZoQ7kNvwG_NYq0&_nc_oc=AdnlSBSrSpTYUSkqpf0xuKm2bu0HDtIB1ZyblAC3xy7jvjuDDK2IF66tulLKY492Ls8jEPjdOYcZ9VQnU0pWlBuA&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&_nc_gid=FehTu3Sofdu36gXTqqUGQw&oh=00_Afc9W3gpczeR2Tkn74rodyeZKau2G4Ovb3uD3UXSX_xcng&oe=69002764)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 23, 2025, 07:54:00 AM
I have never heard of this Dr. Mike.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 23, 2025, 08:03:20 AM
I have never heard of this Dr. Mike.

Just another guy who knows it all while lookin' like complete shit himself (common phenomenon of the internet era)

(https://www.bodybuildingmealplan.com/wp-content/uploads/Mike-Israetel-Height-and-Weight.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 23, 2025, 08:05:07 AM
^^^ Looks like early onset Palumboism.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2025, 08:13:21 AM
his entire channel is criticising other peoples training

Because he can not make content or get views off himself.  He has to have someone else for indirect attention to talk about.  Otherwise, people see through his sham.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 23, 2025, 08:27:58 AM
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t51.75761-15/510950465_17992549064807323_1666636833120525541_n.webp?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=F4ULfIlNeZoQ7kNvwG_NYq0&_nc_oc=AdnlSBSrSpTYUSkqpf0xuKm2bu0HDtIB1ZyblAC3xy7jvjuDDK2IF66tulLKY492Ls8jEPjdOYcZ9VQnU0pWlBuA&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&_nc_gid=FehTu3Sofdu36gXTqqUGQw&oh=00_Afc9W3gpczeR2Tkn74rodyeZKau2G4Ovb3uD3UXSX_xcng&oe=69002764)

Near perfection vs fecal matter.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Raymondo on October 23, 2025, 08:46:26 AM

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

I remember reading about this and thinking the dude is too far gone.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Raymondo on October 23, 2025, 08:50:04 AM
If it wasnt posted from Dorians channel , id guess it was ai!


:D


BRUTAL!

I thought it was AI too, had to do a double take
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Titus Pullo on October 23, 2025, 08:52:17 AM
I bet Dr Mike’s head looks like it will explode after hearing that.

It already looks like it will explode.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Kwon on October 23, 2025, 08:54:03 AM
I thought it was AI too, had to do a double take

This is how good ai is today, we cannot entirely be sure anymore


Big difference from Will Smith eating Spaghetti



2023 VS 2024
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 09:00:19 AM
I remember reading about this and thinking the dude is too far gone.
It makes me squeamish just thinking about it. In that interview he stated he thinks he's as lean as can absolutely get, so his only option is just to break his ribcage and insert the waist thing.  ??? ???
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 09:02:19 AM
Because he can not make content or get views off himself.  He has to have someone else for indirect attention to talk about.  Otherwise, people see through his sham.
Exactly. Well said.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 23, 2025, 09:08:16 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkm6VVK2/images.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Taffin on October 23, 2025, 09:17:41 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.

What's his GetBig handle?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Rambone on October 23, 2025, 09:24:04 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkm6VVK2/images.jpg)

“Hey “Dr” Mike, you looked great at your last offseason guest posing!”

Dr. Mike: “Guest posing?”
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 23, 2025, 10:04:29 AM
Which is fine. Except he has no grounds or right to criticize others who look better than him, know more than him, and are more accomplished than him. And he thinks he's more knowledge than any coach out there. He has stated he could become an expert in any field that someone else excels at in less than a year.

You look worlds and worlds better than him. You are more successful in competitions than he ever will be. Any sane person would take your diet and training advice over his. His pre-contest meals consisted of chicken thighs, Gatorade, and cereal. If you trained him for a show, you would get him to actually improve. But he would never listen to you. Because he has stated that "if someone thinks they know more than him, then they can fuck off."

He has built a career and made millions off portraying himself as an educated, successful hard training bodybuilder. But he's not. He has never trained to failure, doesn't train hard, has placed horribly in all shows, can't get himself in shape, looked like crap in all shows, uses plastic surgery to get leaner vs dieting harder, and wrote a garbage PHD paper that should have never passed. Stupid head then lied and committed academic fraud to try and cover it up. Unfortunately for him, he was too stupid to even lie correctly. Hence, he got caught.


letters after your name are irrelevant if the other person has a sounder argument than you

unfortunatly for Isralati hes has neither

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BayGBM on October 23, 2025, 10:14:39 AM
Just another guy who knows it all while lookin' like complete shit himself (common phenomenon of the internet era)

(https://www.bodybuildingmealplan.com/wp-content/uploads/Mike-Israetel-Height-and-Weight.jpg)

Bay no likey.  :-X
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Kwon on October 23, 2025, 10:20:05 AM
Bay no likey.  :-X

Show me an example of the most ideal optimal physique, aka the physique Bay likey the most
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 23, 2025, 10:40:58 AM
I hate most people in that exercise sciency space, except Lyle McDonald. He has his issues and is a "difficult" person but he's pretty much always right and calls out all the hucksters; been a "fan" since I got on the net almost 30 years ago. He's been on Israetel's ass for probably 10 years. I actually watched parts of Solomon's take down video and it was wonderful. It didn't end there, Mike was caught lying and trying to edit the paper, enlisting some PR firm or whatever it was. Had his friend do a damage control video immediately after, which really was him throwing his friend under the bus and destroying his cred too. Mike claimed he didn't even watch the video himself because such things are beneath him or something ::) The paper was legitimately embarrassing. I don't know what goes into PhDs but from what I gather they are supposed to advance knowledge, show something new. Mike's paper amounted to "athletic people are more athletic."

Looking at Mike's physique objectively, he has some muscle, and he has somewhat of a point in that he has as much muscle as some known bodybuilders but bodybuilding isn't about just LBM, it's the genetic shape that makes bodybuilders. He could at least have gotten in shape for his shows but he didn't and had some ridiculous excuses.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Titus Pullo on October 23, 2025, 10:49:49 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkm6VVK2/images.jpg)

You're right.  He needs glasses and some kind of psychiatric drugs...he's blind AND crazy.

And if he thinks he was ever stronger than a peak MM, I reckon he's also a fucking mong.  I'm not seeing any record of him totalling more than 1350 or so. From what I gather, MM was at least in the 1500 range -- and I'm not talking about those bullshit quarter squats Ray did.  He could bench 220 kg+, squat 500 for reps and pull 600+. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BB on October 23, 2025, 11:04:43 AM
Mike on Mentzer -

https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=mentzer (https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=mentzer) .

On Yates, he's a fan lol -

https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=yates (https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=yates) .

------------------------------------

I don't like Mike, he's a lying half asser, who never did anything in powerlifting where he started, bodybuilding, or science.

Ugly clown mask* looking, closeted 'mo.

* -

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-199EX0AI358B?format=jpg&name=large).


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-199GWsAAbnqT?format=jpg&name=medium).




Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BB on October 23, 2025, 11:12:13 AM
Blaha has a bigger total than Mike -

https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/mikeisraetel .

https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/jasonblaha .
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: njflex on October 23, 2025, 11:16:02 AM
Shows you drugs and not stage type genetics makes a good competitior ,you can have him and another guy on same protocol or say half of what this guy takes with great genes and other guy smokes him.seen this time and time again here...
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: illuminati on October 23, 2025, 11:19:00 AM
I have never heard of this Dr. Mike.

I'd seen his name a few times - never read anything he's said
& he looks Fucking awful - he should keep his mouth shut.
Judging by what I'm reading in this thread he's a charlatan
& a liar as bad as Bhanky.

More fool those who are stupid enough to take any notice of
anything he says.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2025, 11:38:48 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUJt-uloolXe6Bn6PWobWGAhehpHjquhLrAg&s)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BayGBM on October 23, 2025, 12:25:12 PM
Show me an example of the most ideal optimal physique, aka the physique Bay likey the most

There is the physique I’d want for myself… Bill Davey for example.

There is the physique I’d want in a significant other… R. Lupkes, D. Poundstone, N. Best, powerlifter types.

And there are the physiques I think should be winning BB shows:

Danny https://www.instagram.com/gymdann?igsh=M2QxNjUzZXI4eXlj
Neckzilla https://www.instagram.com/neckzilla.official?igsh=MThweDh0N3ljejdldw==
Joel https://www.instagram.com/joelthomas_ifbbpro?igsh=MXdtd2k2bWJqcnFxeQ==

Dr. Mike is none of the above. :-X
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Rambone on October 23, 2025, 12:26:49 PM
Is Dr. Mike Israetel funded by AIPAC?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 23, 2025, 12:44:45 PM
Is Dr. Mike Israetel funded by AIPAC?

Haha most likely. Being an antisemite I loved this IG post. The music  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPX69PZjYS3/?igsh=MXAybmtxeDJmMGxxbQ==qa
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Rambone on October 23, 2025, 12:49:44 PM
Haha most likely. Being an antisemite I loved this IG post. The music  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPX69PZjYS3/?igsh=MXAybmtxeDJmMGxxbQ==qa

Lmao!! The music indeed makes it
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Wiggs on October 23, 2025, 01:40:03 PM
I saw when Dorian posted this on IG. Good.
How dare that Balluga bodied, big mouth, arrogant imposter Jew talk ill against the GENIUS MIKE MENTZER!!  MIKE MENTZER WAS A GENIUS! 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 23, 2025, 01:48:19 PM
we need Royalty to comment before anything is decided.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: IroNat on October 23, 2025, 01:53:19 PM
What does Dorian think about Vigorous Steve Bhanky?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 23, 2025, 01:54:08 PM
omg that was brutal and dorian is right .


gotta love dorian for sticking up for mike
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 23, 2025, 01:57:32 PM
another comparison

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 23, 2025, 03:21:20 PM
Mike on Mentzer -

https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=mentzer (https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=mentzer) .

On Yates, he's a fan lol -

https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=yates (https://www.youtube.com/@RenaissancePeriodization/search?query=yates) .

------------------------------------

I don't like Mike, he's a lying half asser, who never did anything in powerlifting where he started, bodybuilding, or science.

Ugly clown mask* looking, closeted 'mo.

* -

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-199EX0AI358B?format=jpg&name=large).


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-199GWsAAbnqT?format=jpg&name=medium).

The number of views and followers



WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Kwon on October 23, 2025, 03:26:34 PM
NOBODY PUTS MIKE IN THE CORNER!!!

(https://i.postimg.cc/pT5SQQXt/image.png)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: wes on October 23, 2025, 03:52:17 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUJt-uloolXe6Bn6PWobWGAhehpHjquhLrAg&s)
Fuck this guru goober !!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: wes on October 23, 2025, 03:58:04 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUJt-uloolXe6Bn6PWobWGAhehpHjquhLrAg&s)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Gumby_sm.png)

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Stephano on October 23, 2025, 04:22:30 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUJt-uloolXe6Bn6PWobWGAhehpHjquhLrAg&s)

Niɡɡa's head is a hexagon!  Never seen that before.

Also, Isratel is one smarmy, annoying, retarded son of a bitch.  His whole gimmick is looking at how other people train and going "well, ackshually....".  Basically a redditor.

He also looks like shit, is a liar, etc.  Just a completely worthless person of no value to society.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Rambone on October 23, 2025, 05:24:35 PM
I second Stephano’s response.



“Well…technically.” Nanana just SHUT UP!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2025, 05:50:08 PM
Niɡɡa's head is a hexagon!  Never seen that before.

Also, Isratel is one smarmy, annoying, retarded son of a bitch.  His whole gimmick is looking at how other people train and going "well, ackshually....".  Basically a redditor.

He also looks like shit, is a liar, etc.  Just a completely worthless person of no value to society.

Hahaha!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 24, 2025, 01:49:24 AM
If anyone cares, Lyle on Mike on IG:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQFSfiyDHSt/

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: JK on October 24, 2025, 02:32:45 AM
I can't stand him. I'm surprised that a powerlifter and bodybuilder as great as Stan Efferding would quote him for training recommendations as if he were some kind of authority.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: nobody in particular on October 24, 2025, 03:43:45 AM
I'm an old chap so I remember Lyle going back to the early misc.fitness.weights usenet days. HE's not always a charmer but he presents stuff in detail and isn't afraid to change his view if decent studies point in a different direction, rather than the 'I have a phd you are all inferior' type of thing. Some of the volume and frequency recommendations Mike comes out with might work on a heavily juiced gifted athlete for a while but they'd burn the average trainee out in no time
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 24, 2025, 04:42:55 AM
If anyone cares, Lyle on Mike on IG:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQFSfiyDHSt/
Lyle is outstanding. The people who get butthurt by him typically have large egos and refuse to be wrong. You can tell Mike despises him and Lyle knows how to frazzle him. Lyle calls out Mike's nonsense and BS with facts and science.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 24, 2025, 04:47:21 AM
another comparison
Mike Isratel is a delusional piece of shit and believes Mike Mentzer's diet is outdated. Mike Isratel is the scum of the earth. He compared Mike Mentzer to "a shitty car from the 1980s."
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: snx on October 24, 2025, 05:23:36 AM
Judging the guy on the whole of his contributions, I think Isratel has been net-positive for the stuff we all like (lifting, building muscle, etc....).

Lately, a lot of content has become honey for catching flies on the youtube alogorithym, which I find insufferable (his views on AI, or psychology, for example, come across as if being authoritative, when he is not an authority on the topic). I could live without another critique of another lifter's technique as well (does nothing to advance the field).

He did popularize some interesting heuristics (maximum adaptable volume, etc...) that I think have value, if only as heuristics (I actually like heuristics in lifting, since it's literally taking mean results from studies and trying to apply them to an N=1 situations ,where a heuristic and testing it is the best one can hope for as one learns their body. Which is what we've all done here).

Still, there he's polarizing and his contributions are more for the hoi polloi. One either tires of the rhetoric and finds themself more in the "so, just lift hard and that's it? Christ, shut up man!" camp (which is ridiculously true). Or, you find yourself seeking more informed voices (I happen to like Pelland, Trexler, Helms, in these regards, who try a bit harder to add something sensical to the average lifters lifestyle).

Helms & Trexler, for me in particular, do a good job of prioritizing the effect-sizes of hypertrophy and strength tactics. Rather than youtubing their way through whatever trends, they stick to reminding folks about what really works, and how do avoid getting lost in the  weeds of trends that don't create a meaningful effect size on hypertrophy or strength for the average lifter to care (even if a study shows "statistical significance").

Holy shit surprise summary for all this bullshit - design your training so that you're doing enough sets for the muscles you want to grow, train really hard when you do those sets, track your progress to ensure you're progressively overloading (by adding a rep or weight or even eventually a set). That's it. The rest is nuanced shit we all monkey around with when we get bored. That "when we get bored" mentality is what's spawned the entire social media universe; the fact that man is mostly powerless to resist the Novelty Bias and the Recency Bias.

As for Lyle, I think he's had some net positives too. But I find his meanderings to be insufferable; I just can't listen to 40 minutes of him attacking someone/thing, to listen for that nugget of insight (and I know its there...I just can't bring myself emotionally to listen to a rant. And yes, I realize the irony that my posts on getbig are long and come across as rants).
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 24, 2025, 05:40:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 24, 2025, 05:41:43 AM
Mike Isratel is a delusional piece of shit and believes Mike Mentzer's diet is outdated. Mike Isratel is the scum of the earth. He compared Mike Mentzer to "a shitty car from the 1980s."



Totally agree has always came off as an arrogant lil prick

It is funny how he rips on mentzers diet but yet has never even come close to mentzers conditioning he had
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 24, 2025, 06:14:46 AM
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYzIzcDAwczBiejhscTZ5cWJzMjNhbTVhZmJhbGFwYTZwczRiYzRydSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/10BDZSN5izfazC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 24, 2025, 07:09:27 AM
Guy who didn't know sh*t in 1977:



Guy who knows it all (on the internet) in 2025:

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 24, 2025, 07:15:30 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn9cguxvgxpsAfVozZej2Le-0hL3j37nq5cQ&s)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 24, 2025, 08:19:32 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn9cguxvgxpsAfVozZej2Le-0hL3j37nq5cQ&s)
Mike Mentzer (L) and Dr. Ugly (R)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 24, 2025, 08:29:04 AM
Guy who didn't know sh*t in 1977:



Guy who knows it all (on the internet) in 2025:


Sam and Mike. 2 great athletes.

Sam looks like he's ready to drop dead. His hair is oily, his skin looks rotted, tons of crusty acne lesions, and hes reported to not shower. People also have said he constantly reeks of B.O. and lunch meat.

Mike is a fat, hairy, disgusting walking heart attack. He portrays himself and carries himself as this guru and top level competitor. When in reality, he's a dimwitted fat fuck who faked his PHD and convinced everyone he was intelligent.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 24, 2025, 08:30:33 AM
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556
"Dr." Michael: You're better off listening to a high school football coach than ""Dr." Michael
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 24, 2025, 11:50:11 AM

As for Lyle, I think he's had some net positives too. But I find his meanderings to be insufferable; I just can't listen to 40 minutes of him attacking someone/thing, to listen for that nugget of insight (and I know its there...I just can't bring myself emotionally to listen to a rant. And yes, I realize the irony that my posts on getbig are long and come across as rants).

Lyle used to have a very nice forum but then social media took over. His Facebook group is downright oppressive and it's only for true nerds.

You're so right about the 'lost in the weeds,' most of this stuff will have no effect in the big picture. As one truly obnoxious guru said, "there's no magical lifting program or diet or drug protocol that a coach can give you." He was talking about aspiring bodybuilders, but it can apply to advanced too as some switch coaches frequently looking for the formula for success. I think a coach can be very valuable, even if just for psychological reasons.

When in reality, he's a dimwitted fat fuck who faked his PHD and convinced everyone he was intelligent.

This fucker says his IQ is so high he doesn't even know how high as they can only go to 160 and then it's unreliable. Saying something like this is ridiculous, even if true, which it isn't.

I couldn't find the original article of this, would like to read what it says.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BB on October 24, 2025, 12:14:42 PM


I couldn't find the original article of this, would like to read what it says.



It's from the "Detroit Jewish News", March 2017, it's hard to find now, but here it is -

https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/djnews/djn.2017.03.02.001/10 .

Just that one page.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: MuscleBuff on October 24, 2025, 01:26:19 PM
Never seen Dorian talk like this, interesting, he is usually very understated and discreet. Even for bigger bags of shit than Dr Mike he never said a bad word.

He laid it down pretty thick, there will be lots of tears and self abuse in Dr Mike's house today

Dorian has always been very outspoken about the Jews
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 24, 2025, 01:44:46 PM
here is another great comparison

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Stephano on October 24, 2025, 03:27:39 PM
Judging the guy on the whole of his contributions, I think Isratel has been net-positive for the stuff we all like (lifting, building muscle, etc....).

(WALL OF TEXT)

Listen, brother, it ain't that complicated.  Just train.  It doesn't matter how you train. 

Train like a pussy.  (Vince Taylor, Paul Dillet)
Train like a berseker.  (Ronnie and some others.)
Low-Volume HIT.  (Mentzer and some other guys.)
Moderate-Volume HIT.  (Yates and many others in the late 90s.)
Volume training.  (The "standard" bodybuilding routine.)
Extreme volume training.  (2x/day; some of the Venice Beach guys did this because they loved the gym.)
Instinctive training.  (Train whatever and however you feel like training that day.)

And I could go on all day.  It doesn't matter.  It all works.  Find what you like, what gets you into the gym, and stick with it. 

Quote
B-but if you don't find your maximum adaptable volume you're leaving muscle gains on the table!!

Not really.  Muscle growth is 60% genetics/drugs, 30% diet, 10% everything else.  You need to train, but over a sufficiently long time horizon how you train doesn't matter much for hypertrophy. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 24, 2025, 03:34:16 PM
Listen, brother, it ain't that complicated.  Just train.  It doesn't matter how you train. 

Train like a pussy.  (Vince Taylor, Paul Dillet)
Train like a berseker.  (Ronnie and some others.)
Low-Volume HIT.  (Mentzer and some other guys.)
Moderate-Volume HIT.  (Yates and many others in the late 90s.)
Volume training.  (The "standard" bodybuilding routine.)
Extreme volume training.  (2x/day; some of the Venice Beach guys did this because they loved the gym.)
Instinctive training.  (Train whatever and however you feel like training that day.)

And I could go on all day.  It doesn't matter.  It all works.  Find what you like, what gets you into the gym, and stick with it. 

Not really.  Muscle growth is 60% genetics/drugs, 30% diet, 10% everything else.  You need to train, but over a sufficiently long time horizon how you train doesn't matter much for hypertrophy.

Yep, muscles only expand they dont grow... as long as you stretch the fibres with a combination of volume and intensity then they will respond.

Just remember though , its all temporary , dont kill yourself trying
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 24, 2025, 11:34:32 PM
It's from the "Detroit Jewish News", March 2017, it's hard to find now, but here it is -

https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/djnews/djn.2017.03.02.001/10 .

Just that one page.

Thanks. You find everything :)

Advantages of ethnic networking. I don't necessarily put a value judgement on the practise as such. But it always comes up in discussions of reasons for Jewish success. Other groups do it too but the racial consciousness seems lowest in whites. Though many companies probably try to circumvent the woman and black quotas.

I read that the admission rates to elite Universities like Harvard for competent applicants is the lowest for whites out of all races, Jews had the highest being only 2% of the population. Statistically whites should have more eligibles many times over, even if Jewish IQ is off the charts. Chinese are apparently very discriminated against and there's some lawsuit.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Donny on October 25, 2025, 04:09:06 AM
Yep, muscles only expand they dont grow... as long as you stretch the fibres with a combination of volume and intensity then they will respond.

Just remember though , its all temporary , dont kill yourself trying

Muscle size increases when a person challenges the muscles to deal with resistance. This resistance could be in the form of lifting a weight, pushing a heavy object, or working against the forces of gravity.

Resistance strains the muscles and results in tiny injuries to the muscle fibers. The body then repairs the fibers by fusing them, increasing their mass and size. This process is known as muscle hypertrophy.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 26, 2025, 12:58:22 AM
Muscle size increases when a person challenges the muscles to deal with resistance. This resistance could be in the form of lifting a weight, pushing a heavy object, or working against the forces of gravity.

Resistance strains the muscles and results in tiny injuries to the muscle fibers. The body then repairs the fibers by fusing them, increasing their mass and size. This process is known as muscle hypertrophy.

If this were true the muscles would never atrophy.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Donny on October 26, 2025, 03:06:46 AM
If this were true the muscles would never atrophy.

you are confused with the Pump  :D
Pumping up is only temporarily giving that swollen cock look but it´s like anything use it or lose it.
run 5 miles 3 times a week & stop & surprise.. surprise your fitness will decline.
even if i have a lay off i still retain muscle mass it doesn´t just disappear
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 26, 2025, 04:50:05 AM
If this were true the muscles would never atrophy.

use it or lose it
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Kwon on October 26, 2025, 05:02:06 AM
If this were true the muscles would never atrophy.

Use it or Lose it

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5rFMJk3/image.png)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 26, 2025, 06:26:42 AM
here is another great comparison
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Donny on October 26, 2025, 06:27:41 AM
use it or lose it
Yup..like the Brain  :D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: _bruce_ on October 26, 2025, 12:14:15 PM

1. Dorian's original post was 6 million characters long
2. Donald Trump will soon have to declare war on Spain due to Cannabis shortages



Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: MajorDomo on October 26, 2025, 12:50:56 PM
Mentzer died with a full head of hair. Israetel won't.

Mentzer wins.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: IroNat on October 26, 2025, 02:58:40 PM
Israeltel just needs the finishing touch.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: BigNik78 on October 27, 2025, 12:47:21 AM
What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 27, 2025, 02:20:06 AM
What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.
Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Stephano on October 27, 2025, 02:42:05 AM
Damn, bro. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 27, 2025, 03:14:24 AM
what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2025, 03:25:56 AM
Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!
yes "more self control than anyone on the planet" but self admitedly injects drugs that supresses apetite

it's hard to clown the guy when he clowns himself like every time he talks on youtube
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 27, 2025, 03:30:51 AM
yes "more self control than anyone on the planet" but self admitedly injects drugs that supresses apetite

it's hard to clown the guy when he clowns himself like every time he talks on youtube
YES! 100% AGREED. He's the biggest scumbag in the industry. It drives me crazy that his PHD was such trash and that it should have NEVER passed. And that he has used that worthless, shitty PHD as a way to sneak his way onto podcasts, interviews, and lectures as a guest who people think is intelligent and distinguished.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Taffin on October 27, 2025, 04:15:34 AM
what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?

Fire?

Original sin maybe?

Need Wes to confirm
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: nobody in particular on October 27, 2025, 04:47:38 AM
what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?

a bread slicer?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: snx on October 27, 2025, 05:09:24 AM
What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.

I like to think of full ROM the way Dorian Yates would think about it. He had a moderated approach that probably works 99.9% of the time. Jordan Peters also executes his reps well in his training...I think both of those fellas leave a good example.

When taken to its extremes with the super long ROM and some of those long rep cadences to exaggerate the stretch (watch Eric Janicki; Isratel loves his training), I think you have to sacrifice weight, it's mentally taxing, it's certain taxing on the cardiovascular system (no one squats like that, for example, unless they hate themselves). And certainly the rep cadence gets taken to its extreme when you train Isratel style. But if you like training that way, its not really a big deal; I don't think it's any better than a faster rep cadence with what we'll call a "Yates full ROM", if we want to compare, and if pressed, an Isratel rep might be a bit worse than a Yates rep.

Said another way: take two identical twins, make one train "Yates reps" and another "Isratel reps", and you won't see much if any difference. With maybe an edge to the "Yates rep" guy.

I won't say weight is more important and one should sacrifice ROM for weight, or vice versa; but I think we're being foolish if we think there isn't a tradeoff at the extreme ends of the spectrum that holds development back.

There's enough research to show a rep cadence anywhere between 2-8 seconds is fungible, so do what feels right, as long as you train each set real hard in that rep range and you're consistent enough in how you do a rep, that you can be honest with yourself and know that you're getting a bit stronger in the lift because you're stronger, and not just because you got more ballistic with the rep execution or truncated the ROM a bit vs last week.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 27, 2025, 05:32:30 AM
Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!

I am sooooooooo going to cut and paste this the next time one of his reels pops up on my feed!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: _bruce_ on October 27, 2025, 06:38:24 AM
Israeltel just needs the finishing touch.

A hammer to the cranium.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 27, 2025, 12:22:10 PM
Mike likes the extra deep reps simply because his body is able to sit down into a squat like that. Most people trying the same end up compensating and putting something into an injurious position. Sometimes the overcompensation isn't even perceptible but the lifter can feel it didn't feel right, for example a tiny rounding of the back. I'm sure working in the lengthened position appears more productive but then you see huge bastards who never do any full reps.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Stephano on October 27, 2025, 02:04:02 PM
I'm sure working in the lengthened position appears more productive but then you see huge bastards who never do any full reps.

In my experience training has practically zero correlation with physique. 

Experienced trainers should warn up-and-comers to stay away from autistically focusing on reps/sets/ROM/cadence/etc.  It's a siren song.  It'll only distract you and waste your time and energy.  Train however you like, whatever suits your body, and you'll get results... If you have non-shit-tier genetics and if the drugs, diet, and everything else are on-point.

If you're a bodybuilder, questions like "should I take boldenone or deca with this cycle?" "is primo worth the cost?" and "how much fish should I buy this week?" are 10000x more important than, "what's the best range of motion?" 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 27, 2025, 04:16:37 PM
In my experience training has practically zero correlation with physique. 

Experienced trainers should warn up-and-comers to stay away from autistically focusing on reps/sets/ROM/cadence/etc.  It's a siren song.  It'll only distract you and waste your time and energy.  Train however you like, whatever suits your body, and you'll get results... If you have non-shit-tier genetics and if the drugs, diet, and everything else are on-point.

If you're a bodybuilder, questions like "should I take boldenone or deca with this cycle?" "is primo worth the cost?" and "how much fish should I buy this week?" are 10000x more important than, "what's the best range of motion?"

If people ask me "whats the best exercise for...", I always tell them, "the ones you like doing"
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 28, 2025, 12:17:07 PM
Dorian reel just saw

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPOs0OFj61k/?igsh=MWQwbmtjeTJtczY0bw==
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 28, 2025, 12:21:11 PM
Dorian reel just saw

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPOs0OFj61k/?igsh=MWQwbmtjeTJtczY0bw==
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/holocaust-denial/leuchter-report/

Treblinka used a lorry to pump in carbon monoxide, much cheaper than buying Zyclon B and Cyanide

After reading "Ordinary men" its clear that a vast majority were shot and buried rather than sent to camps
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: affeman on October 28, 2025, 12:36:05 PM
The media is taking up the story as well, that clown is done :D

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 28, 2025, 12:48:23 PM
i have mikes video ` mike and ray in the gym 

mike used slowed controlled reps  and not crazy reps   

ohearn even though i cannot stand him does controlled reps , even nick walker trains smart.    so did lee priest
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 29, 2025, 08:37:59 AM
i have mikes video ` mike and ray in the gym 

mike used slowed controlled reps  and not crazy reps   

ohearn even though i cannot stand him does controlled reps , even nick walker trains smart.    so did lee priest
Mike did no reps at all the last 20 years of his life.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Taffin on October 29, 2025, 02:08:54 PM
Mike did no reps at all the last 20 years of his life.

I dunno man, he was pretty good at the cigarette raise
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Skeletor on October 29, 2025, 02:30:57 PM
Mike did no reps at all the last 20 years of his life.

He is too busy making youtube videos criticizing how others train.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 29, 2025, 04:13:08 PM
He is too busy making youtube videos criticizing how others train.
He once said that Ronnie could have been bigger and better if he went deeper in squats.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: wes on October 29, 2025, 06:59:59 PM
Fire?

Original sin maybe?

Need Wes to confirm
(https://c7.alamy.com/comp/J2B0FR/mad-old-man-steam-coming-out-of-his-ears-J2B0FR.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 30, 2025, 12:31:57 AM
I dunno man, he was pretty good at the cigarette raise
It was the two arm curl. A cig in one hand and a shot of whiskey in the other.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: AbrahamG on October 30, 2025, 01:23:12 AM
Fire?

Original sin maybe?

Need Wes to confirm

This is subtle gold my friend. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 30, 2025, 02:05:21 AM
He once said that Ronnie could have been bigger and better if he went deeper in squats.

(https://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/04/Evil-Laugh-GIF.gif?gs=a)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Stephano on October 30, 2025, 03:30:41 AM
(https://c7.alamy.com/comp/J2B0FR/mad-old-man-steam-coming-out-of-his-ears-J2B0FR.jpg)

Damn, Dorian looking slim these days. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Kwon on October 30, 2025, 03:32:35 AM
What if there was a Doctor called Mike Palestinatel or Mike Gazatel, would you listen to him?

Or Doctor Amber Heard?

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqRCs7qP/image.png)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on October 30, 2025, 04:43:25 AM
Hotter than Dutch love.^
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 30, 2025, 07:05:38 PM
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/holocaust-denial/leuchter-report/

Treblinka used a lorry to pump in carbon monoxide, much cheaper than buying Zyclon B and Cyanide

After reading "Ordinary men" its clear that a vast majority were shot and buried rather than sent to camps

You may be right but I know many say carbon monoxide is almost impossible to kill humans with. When the war was almost lost one camp dug up something like 100K corpses and then burned them on railroad tracks.

Zyklon B was hardly the only claimed execution method. Electrocution killed many tens of thousands, the floor was lowered and and filled with water and then electricity was applied. Jews were forced to climb trees which were then cut down killing the Jews. Mini atomic bombs were used. You had a cage wit a bear and an eagle; the bear killed and ate the Jew and then the eagle picked the bones. Bent shotguns where the Jews were forced to shoot themselves. Foot pedal operated ice pics coming out of walls. And on and on.

The number of killed in Auschwitz was quietly lowered from 4 million to one in the 90s but the 6 million figure never changed. They cited the population numbers pre- and post war. In Palestine the population censuses say 600K have been killed but do the Jews believe it (based on censuses like the holocaust numbers)? They even say the 70 or 80K named and documented are a wild exaggeration many times over. They didn't bomb Gaza to ruins, it was the Hamas who booby trapped their own houses. There is no starvation in Gaza, all the starved we all have seen pics of they say were suffering from cancer and other diseases. Now they are supplying guns to gangs in Gaza so they can bomb again, which they just did.

I believe a lot of Jews were killed, call it a holocaust if you want. But there's a lot of baloney info also.

I just saw a slightly longer Yates clip on that theme. Even if Dorian is wrong you have to admit he has big balls, it's hurting his business. It can also land you in jail.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPFrS4ejXZj/

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on October 30, 2025, 11:18:58 PM
You may be right but I know many say carbon monoxide is almost impossible to kill humans with. When the war was almost lost one camp dug up something like 100K corpses and then burned them on railroad tracks.

Zyklon B was hardly the only claimed execution method. Electrocution killed many tens of thousands, the floor was lowered and and filled with water and then electricity was applied. Jews were forced to climb trees which were then cut down killing the Jews. Mini atomic bombs were used. You had a cage wit a bear and an eagle; the bear killed and ate the Jew and then the eagle picked the bones. Bent shotguns where the Jews were forced to shoot themselves. Foot pedal operated ice pics coming out of walls. And on and on.

The number of killed in Auschwitz was quietly lowered from 4 million to one in the 90s but the 6 million figure never changed. They cited the population numbers pre- and post war. In Palestine the population censuses say 600K have been killed but do the Jews believe it (based on censuses like the holocaust numbers)? They even say the 70 or 80K named and documented are a wild exaggeration many times over. They didn't bomb Gaza to ruins, it was the Hamas who booby trapped their own houses. There is no starvation in Gaza, all the starved we all have seen pics of they say were suffering from cancer and other diseases. Now they are supplying guns to gangs in Gaza so they can bomb again, which they just did.

I believe a lot of Jews were killed, call it a holocaust if you want. But there's a lot of baloney info also.

I just saw a slightly longer Yates clip on that theme. Even if Dorian is wrong you have to admit he has big balls, it's hurting his business. It can also land you in jail.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPFrS4ejXZj/

No.. that really didnt happen
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: AbrahamG on October 30, 2025, 11:31:55 PM
No.. that really didnt happen

Bummer.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 31, 2025, 02:08:43 AM
You may be right but I know many say carbon monoxide is almost impossible to kill humans with. When the war was almost lost one camp dug up something like 100K corpses and then burned them on railroad tracks.

Zyklon B was hardly the only claimed execution method. Electrocution killed many tens of thousands, the floor was lowered and and filled with water and then electricity was applied. Jews were forced to climb trees which were then cut down killing the Jews. Mini atomic bombs were used. You had a cage wit a bear and an eagle; the bear killed and ate the Jew and then the eagle picked the bones. Bent shotguns where the Jews were forced to shoot themselves. Foot pedal operated ice pics coming out of walls. And on and on.

The number of killed in Auschwitz was quietly lowered from 4 million to one in the 90s but the 6 million figure never changed. They cited the population numbers pre- and post war. In Palestine the population censuses say 600K have been killed but do the Jews believe it (based on censuses like the holocaust numbers)? They even say the 70 or 80K named and documented are a wild exaggeration many times over. They didn't bomb Gaza to ruins, it was the Hamas who booby trapped their own houses. There is no starvation in Gaza, all the starved we all have seen pics of they say were suffering from cancer and other diseases. Now they are supplying guns to gangs in Gaza so they can bomb again, which they just did.

I believe a lot of Jews were killed, call it a holocaust if you want. But there's a lot of baloney info also.

I just saw a slightly longer Yates clip on that theme. Even if Dorian is wrong you have to admit he has big balls, it's hurting his business. It can also land you in jail.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPFrS4ejXZj/
You don't actually believe that right? Obviously you never fell trees down, and how about the bears and eagles?? LMAO!! Wouldn't it be more easy to use pigs? It was sausage land after all..
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 31, 2025, 02:21:02 AM
You may be right but I know many say carbon monoxide is almost impossible to kill humans with. When the war was almost lost one camp dug up something like 100K corpses and then burned them on railroad tracks.

Zyklon B was hardly the only claimed execution method. Electrocution killed many tens of thousands, the floor was lowered and and filled with water and then electricity was applied. Jews were forced to climb trees which were then cut down killing the Jews. Mini atomic bombs were used. You had a cage wit a bear and an eagle; the bear killed and ate the Jew and then the eagle picked the bones. Bent shotguns where the Jews were forced to shoot themselves. Foot pedal operated ice pics coming out of walls. And on and on.

The number of killed in Auschwitz was quietly lowered from 4 million to one in the 90s but the 6 million figure never changed. They cited the population numbers pre- and post war. In Palestine the population censuses say 600K have been killed but do the Jews believe it (based on censuses like the holocaust numbers)? They even say the 70 or 80K named and documented are a wild exaggeration many times over. They didn't bomb Gaza to ruins, it was the Hamas who booby trapped their own houses. There is no starvation in Gaza, all the starved we all have seen pics of they say were suffering from cancer and other diseases. Now they are supplying guns to gangs in Gaza so they can bomb again, which they just did.

I believe a lot of Jews were killed, call it a holocaust if you want. But there's a lot of baloney info also.

I just saw a slightly longer Yates clip on that theme. Even if Dorian is wrong you have to admit he has big balls, it's hurting his business. It can also land you in jail.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPFrS4ejXZj/

The six million number comes from some retarded spell in the Bible that some powerful Jews think will summon their Messiah. You should know this Van...
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: falco on October 31, 2025, 02:32:39 AM
The six million number comes from some retarded spell in the Bible that some powerful Jews think will summon their Messiah. You should know this Van...

I remember when i was a kid, that was taught at school that the number of victims of the holocaust was about 300-400 thousand deaths. Decades after, the 6 million number appeared mainstream.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 31, 2025, 02:50:00 AM
You don't actually believe that right? Obviously you never fell trees down, and how about the bears and eagles?? LMAO!! Wouldn't it be more easy to use pigs? It was sausage land after all..

No it was sarcasm and I assumed it would be fairly obvious. Just saying many stories were taken at face value because propaganda is important to makr up about your enemies. Israel and Netanyahu still say beheadedd and oven roasted babies and mass rapes occurred on Oct 7 when they have proven to be lies. The attackers used Go-Pro cameras so should be easy to prove. There are videos of anal gang raped by IDF though.

I remember when i was a kid, that was taught at school that the number of victims of the holocaust was about 300-400 thousand deaths. Decades after, the 6 million number appeared mainstream.

The mythical and sacred number was being promulgated decades before WWIII. "SIX MILLION WILL PERISH." Other researchers say the exact number isn't what's important , and sure, that's a way to look at it. But the thing is "we" aren't allowed to debate it. Also, one day an Austrian watercolor painter said Jews were the enemy for no reason at all and the Germans were like, sounds great, let's do it! A lottle bit pf sarcasm on my part there. Of course Hitler viewed the Jews as enemies, and some rabbis said he was a genius for realising it. I'm not one who advocates mass killing of groups of people, just to be clear. But Israelis are doing it thenselves, after lecturing whites how wrong it id to kill "innocents." But Palestinian babies will grow up to be enemies so they are a legitimate targets they say.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Griffith on October 31, 2025, 03:17:20 AM
He once said that Ronnie could have been bigger and better if he went deeper in squats.

He probably wouldn't be too impressed with Lee Haney and Phil Heath's quarter rep squats, even though their quads look infinitely better than his own.

'Full range of motion' is a cult.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 31, 2025, 04:01:10 AM
He probably wouldn't be too impressed with Lee Haney and Phil Heath's quarter rep squats, even though their quads look infinitely better than his own.

'Full range of motion' is a cult.
It's indeed a cult. Have you ever seen Eric Janicki doing leg press? His legs are pretty much behind his head at the bottom.  ::)

Whatever study that "science based lifters" want to promote this week, they will have a convenient program to sell along with it.

Lifting is simple. But simple doesn't sell countless innerations of programs, calorie trackers, and Apps. This is where science based full range of motion lifting comes in.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 02, 2025, 01:59:03 AM
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2025, 04:18:08 AM
What exactly is Mike's "career"?  Does he have an employer? Is he self employed?  Is he a coach/guru?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Kwon on November 02, 2025, 04:45:27 AM
What exactly is Mike's "career"?  Does he have an employer? Is he self employed?  Is he a coach/guru?

Michael John Mentzer was an American IFBB professional bodybuilder, businessman, and author.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2025, 02:00:57 PM
Michael John Mentzer was an American IFBB professional bodybuilder, businessman, and author.

I meant Israetel.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Kwon on November 02, 2025, 02:35:10 PM
I meant Israetel.

He has a youtube-channel
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BB on November 02, 2025, 04:08:32 PM
What exactly is Mike's "career"?  Does he have an employer? Is he self employed?  Is he a coach/guru?

Mike was Powerlifting USA magazine's nutrition guy for a while. After they folded, he jumped over to Chad Wesley Smith's Juggernaut Training Systems. He handled nutrition for them, especially when they were trying to get into the MMA market.

Juggernaut and him split up, and he becomes the face of Nick Smith's Renaissance Periodization more actively. There he finds big success. Not sure what the split is like, but he must get a piece of the youtube, books, and personal training profits. It's grown into a pretty big company that way.

Mike back in the day -

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Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Vince B on November 02, 2025, 08:10:10 PM
Judging the guy on the whole of his contributions, I think Isratel has been net-positive for the stuff we all like (lifting, building muscle, etc....).

Lately, a lot of content has become honey for catching flies on the youtube alogorithym, which I find insufferable (his views on AI, or psychology, for example, come across as if being authoritative, when he is not an authority on the topic). I could live without another critique of another lifter's technique as well (does nothing to advance the field).

He did popularize some interesting heuristics (maximum adaptable volume, etc...) that I think have value, if only as heuristics (I actually like heuristics in lifting, since it's literally taking mean results from studies and trying to apply them to an N=1 situations ,where a heuristic and testing it is the best one can hope for as one learns their body. Which is what we've all done here).

Still, there he's polarizing and his contributions are more for the hoi polloi. One either tires of the rhetoric and finds themself more in the "so, just lift hard and that's it? Christ, shut up man!" camp (which is ridiculously true). Or, you find yourself seeking more informed voices (I happen to like Pelland, Trexler, Helms, in these regards, who try a bit harder to add something sensical to the average lifters lifestyle).

Helms & Trexler, for me in particular, do a good job of prioritizing the effect-sizes of hypertrophy and strength tactics. Rather than youtubing their way through whatever trends, they stick to reminding folks about what really works, and how do avoid getting lost in the  weeds of trends that don't create a meaningful effect size on hypertrophy or strength for the average lifter to care (even if a study shows "statistical significance").

Holy shit surprise summary for all this bullshit - design your training so that you're doing enough sets for the muscles you want to grow, train really hard when you do those sets, track your progress to ensure you're progressively overloading (by adding a rep or weight or even eventually a set). That's it. The rest is nuanced shit we all monkey around with when we get bored. That "when we get bored" mentality is what's spawned the entire social media universe; the fact that man is mostly powerless to resist the Novelty Bias and the Recency Bias.

As for Lyle, I think he's had some net positives too. But I find his meanderings to be insufferable; I just can't listen to 40 minutes of him attacking someone/thing, to listen for that nugget of insight (and I know its there...I just can't bring myself emotionally to listen to a rant. And yes, I realize the irony that my posts on getbig are long and come across as rants).

This is the best comment in this thread. I used to post on Lyle McDonald's site 25 or so years ago. I posted my theory of hypertrophy there but he refused to have a debate with me so I stopped posting there. I don't consider him an authority on hypertrophy. He got worse results than Dr Mike and ended up doing bike riding competitively.

I consider Dr Mike Israetel a world authority on hypertrophy. He knows the literature and posts clearly about training and the science behind it. I accept that his PhD thesis is under par but so what he knows his stuff. Dr Brad Schoenfeld is an accepted authority on hypertrophy but I don't consider that he is. Yes, he knows the literature but hasn't a clue about getting bigger himself or what the huge bodybuilders are doing because they haven't been studied. Dr Mike has a decent physique but like most bodybuilders considers himself better than he actually is. I hope he gets an authentic PhD from a top university in exercise science and get on with his site.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 02, 2025, 08:33:21 PM
This is the best comment in this thread. I used to post on Lyle McDonald's site 25 or so years ago. I posted my theory of hypertrophy there but he refused to have a debate with me so I stopped posting there. I don't consider him an authority on hypertrophy. He got worse results than Dr Mike and ended up doing bike riding competitively.

I consider Dr Mike Israetel a world authority on hypertrophy. He knows the literature and posts clearly about training and the science behind it. I accept that his PhD thesis is under par but so what he knows his stuff. Dr Brad Schoenfeld is an accepted authority on hypertrophy but I don't consider that he is. Yes, he knows the literature but hasn't a clue about getting bigger himself or what the huge bodybuilders are doing because they haven't been studied. Dr Mike has a decent physique but like most bodybuilders considers himself better than he actually is. I hope he gets an authentic PhD from a top university in exercise science and get on with his site.

Have you outlined the hypertrophy regimen you use for your decrepit old cock so you're still able to peep and tom til completion?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 02, 2025, 09:37:21 PM
This is the best comment in this thread. I used to post on Lyle McDonald's site 25 or so years ago. I posted my theory of hypertrophy there but he refused to have a debate with me so I stopped posting there. I don't consider him an authority on hypertrophy. He got worse results than Dr Mike and ended up doing bike riding competitively.

I consider Dr Mike Israetel a world authority on hypertrophy. He knows the literature and posts clearly about training and the science behind it. I accept that his PhD thesis is under par but so what he knows his stuff. Dr Brad Schoenfeld is an accepted authority on hypertrophy but I don't consider that he is. Yes, he knows the literature but hasn't a clue about getting bigger himself or what the huge bodybuilders are doing because they haven't been studied. Dr Mike has a decent physique but like most bodybuilders considers himself better than he actually is. I hope he gets an authentic PhD from a top university in exercise science and get on with his site.

Has anyone been able to do a lengthy debate with you? In my non-expert opinion it's hard to know what your "theory" actually is.  I know many have had the same issue with you here.

I consider Lyle a true expert in this sphere, has been hard for me to find fault in basically anything of his. His lack of personal bodybuilding achievement can be seen as a fault. I don't think he took up running. Though I could be mistaken. I know he took up ice skating pretty seriously, the kind where you skate in a circle. The way he looks now makes me think he's on HRT but could be wrong.

I will say "reps is reserve" is mostly a very stupid approach, simply because it's almost impossible to know, especially for newer lifters. Train to actual failure where you know it was true "failure." If it means training less then do that. Though there are always exceptions to every "rule."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQRdi4MjKFL/
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Vince B on November 02, 2025, 10:12:07 PM
Has anyone been able to do a lengthy debate with you? In my non-expert opinion it's hard to know what your "theory" actually is.  I know many have had the same issue with you here.

I consider Lyle a true expert in this sphere, has been hard for me to find fault in basically anything of his. His lack of personal bodybuilding achievement can be seen as a fault. I don't think he took up running. Though I could be mistaken. I know he took up ice skating pretty seriously, the kind where you skate in a circle. The way he looks now makes me think he's on HRT but could be wrong.

I will say "reps is reserve" is mostly a very stupid approach, simply because it's almost impossible to know, especially for newer lifters.

He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: beakdoctor on November 02, 2025, 10:23:32 PM
Fuck Dr. Mike. I say we get a team of Crack Getbiggers together and go kick the ever loving shit out of him. He talked shit about Mike Mentzer FFS! Im not going to stand for it! Who's with me?

Royalty? Where you at? Let's goooooooo!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BB on November 02, 2025, 10:32:05 PM
Has Mike done anything in powerlifting? No, Blaha was stronger at an older and lighter bodyweight.

Has he coached any high level guys to much better placings? Can't think of any.

Has he won anything or placed high in any muscular endeavor? No.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 02, 2025, 10:52:42 PM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.

I did a variation of your DOMS workouts for arms for like 8 months this year, I ended up doing 2-3 workout per week for both biceps and triceps. Incidentally I had a curl machine where the elbows were outside the pads, and my main exercise for tris was a bent over extensions. I did them on a cable cross, there was a bar on the side of the cable and I put a folded yoga matt behind my ass and used that bar as leverage. Getting in the position was a bit of a hassle. I didn't really gain anything, seemed to get veinier and strength went up quite a bit. I now think more frequent training isn't more beneficial compared to say every 5-7 days. I think a gain in strength is the main metric to keep track of progress other than measuring body parts. Sometimes my combined bi and tri sessions took 90 minutes, now I'll see if 2-3 sets for a muscle once a week is a better approach, the Dorian approach which I always suspected was as good as it gets. Though at 48 my approximate max was probably achieved 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Skeletor on November 02, 2025, 11:09:06 PM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.

Ask Wes.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 03, 2025, 01:45:28 AM
Mike was Powerlifting USA magazine's nutrition guy for a while. After they folded, he jumped over to Chad Wesley Smith's Juggernaut Training Systems. He handled nutrition for them, especially when they were trying to get into the MMA market.

Juggernaut and him split up, and he becomes the face of Nick Smith's Renaissance Periodization more actively. There he finds big success. Not sure what the split is like, but he must get a piece of the youtube, books, and personal training profits. It's grown into a pretty big company that way.

Mike back in the day -

.

He has that Tay-tay vibe into him. Like what he says is gospel and the absolute truth.

He also takes the shaft like T-bombz.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: SF1900 on November 03, 2025, 02:41:40 AM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.

So, you set a world record on a machine that you designed and won a bodybuilding show where you picked the judges.

Do you have any accomplishments that are not purposefully modified by you?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: 38 returns on November 03, 2025, 02:57:24 AM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.




talk me through this absolute bro science horseshit
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 03, 2025, 04:36:16 AM
Mike likes the extra deep reps simply because his body is able to sit down into a squat like that. Most people trying the same end up compensating and putting something into an injurious position. Sometimes the overcompensation isn't even perceptible but the lifter can feel it didn't feel right, for example a tiny rounding of the back. I'm sure working in the lengthened position appears more productive but then you see huge bastards who never do any full reps.

I think it’s counterproductive.  At the extremes of the rom the tension falls from the muscles onto the joints.  Think of locking out on a bench press or a squat.  It’s much more challenging to stay within the middle 80-90% of ROM and keep the tension on the muscles.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Griffith on November 03, 2025, 04:43:36 AM
I think it’s counterproductive.  At the extremes of the rom the tension falls from the muscles onto the joints.  Think of locking out on a bench press or a squat.  It’s much more challenging to stay within the middle 80-90% of ROM and keep the tension on the muscles.

Exactly, and a dangerous range for injuries.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Donny on November 03, 2025, 05:00:36 AM
Deep squatting actually increases the contact area of the undersurface of the patella (kneecap) with the femur, spreading out the forces better than shallow squatting. This is good because it reduces the stress placed on any one area of cartilage on the undersurface of the patella.

https://www.girlsgonestrong.com/blog/articles/ask-ann-do-deep-squats-cause-knee-pain/

I remember a discussion on here years ago & this was on a study i posted.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 03, 2025, 05:49:54 AM
This is the best comment in this thread. I used to post on Lyle McDonald's site 25 or so years ago. I posted my theory of hypertrophy there but he refused to have a debate with me so I stopped posting there. I don't consider him an authority on hypertrophy. He got worse results than Dr Mike and ended up doing bike riding competitively.

I consider Dr Mike Israetel a world authority on hypertrophy. He knows the literature and posts clearly about training and the science behind it. I accept that his PhD thesis is under par but so what he knows his stuff. Dr Brad Schoenfeld is an accepted authority on hypertrophy but I don't consider that he is. Yes, he knows the literature but hasn't a clue about getting bigger himself or what the huge bodybuilders are doing because they haven't been studied. Dr Mike has a decent physique but like most bodybuilders considers himself better than he actually is. I hope he gets an authentic PhD from a top university in exercise science and get on with his site.
Fuck your dumb considerations and fuck your dumb light blue font.

You think he’s a world authority? Of course YOU do! Oh yeah! He’s such a world authority that he looks like a 70 year old obese Serbian truck driver hobbit. And it’s so amazing how your world authority has never won a show and looked like fat garbage in every show he entered!

What may I ask do you consider his most noteworthy contributions to fitness and exercise science?? Hmmmmmm?

Would it be his recommendation to skip hammer curls? Or never do front squats? Or use barbell rows as a tricep exercise? Oh, I know! Must be his groundbreaking cable fly press move!

It’s people like you who are to blame for encouraging him. His PHD was garbage and worthless. It concluded nothing and did not contribute to anything. Looked like a High Schooler wrote it. He based his whole brand and formed his whole empire on the weight and distinction of his PHD. He built his whole brand off it. He even stated his PhD carries major weight. And he even released PHd approved protein shots and marketed his training app as PHD created. But when his PHD’s credibility was exposed…and he committed academic fraud to cover it up…suddenly his felt his PHD credibility was not important and he stated credentials mean nothing.

Vince, your obese hero is so amazing. I mean, what’s not to admire about him?! He’s a failed bodybuilder, walks around with a GH gut, used plastic surgery to change his body instead of dieting, showed he was a scat deviant by discussing being human toilet paper in a video with Johnny Shrieve, stated he wanted to kill small animals and physically harm Lyle M. and Greg D., and discussed being racist on camera and that he believes certain races are more intelligent.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 03, 2025, 06:06:11 AM
Deep squatting actually increases the contact area of the undersurface of the patella (kneecap) with the femur, spreading out the forces better than shallow squatting. This is good because it reduces the stress placed on any one area of cartilage on the undersurface of the patella.

https://www.girlsgonestrong.com/blog/articles/ask-ann-do-deep-squats-cause-knee-pain/

I remember a discussion on here years ago & this was on a study i posted.

I have short femurs, hence i find it easy to deep squat, olympic weightlifting style. Still, as i am getting older, my knees are no longer very happy about deep squatting.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on November 03, 2025, 06:15:16 AM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, Vince.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on November 03, 2025, 06:25:11 AM
So, you set a world record on a machine that you designed and won a bodybuilding show where you picked the judges.

Do you have any accomplishments that are not purposefully modified by you?

SF, I'm shocked at your tone.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Grape Ape on November 03, 2025, 07:43:26 AM
Fuck your dumb considerations and fuck your dumb light blue font.


It's actually navy blue.

This might change your opinion.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: wes on November 03, 2025, 08:02:32 AM
Ask Wes.

(https://media1.tenor.com/m/NNaHtYbouSYAAAAC/laughing.gif)

:D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: SF1900 on November 03, 2025, 08:52:05 AM
SF, I'm shocked at your tone.

Why?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Kwon on November 03, 2025, 08:55:16 AM
SF, I'm shocked at your tone.

Rory at the keyboard probably.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on November 03, 2025, 11:24:22 AM
Why?

So harsh, brutal and devoid of sensitivity to Vince's feelings.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Lartinos on November 03, 2025, 11:39:09 AM
He has that Tay-tay vibe into him. Like what he says is gospel and the absolute truth.

He also takes the shaft like T-bombz.

He should have seen Bhanky’s hair doc before it was too late.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 03, 2025, 12:56:27 PM
I think it’s counterproductive.  At the extremes of the rom the tension falls from the muscles onto the joints.  Think of locking out on a bench press or a squat.  It’s much more challenging to stay within the middle 80-90% of ROM and keep the tension on the muscles.

In the bench press for example, you get the pec tears due to the angle of the elbow and the extreme stretch. Mike advocates using this specialty bar to go even deeper. In the squat he's like Tom Platz and can sit down very deep and squat like an elevator with an upright back. That's not most people especially taller ones. Since I've trained with powerlifters I can barely get to 90 degrees no matter the load. I guess I could force it but the back would round a little, hips would hurt and so on. I know many have tried extra deep angled leg presses but can feel that butt coming off, even a cm could be injurious.

If anyone might be interested, here's Solomon's response to his most high profile critics, Mike and Layne Norton. Layne has put out a lot of good info for sure but he came out against Solomon with this snotty ad hominem reply, like he didn't know of the issues and it's just a "closing of ranks," their little circle jerk. He then deleted his comment but someone had screenshotted it LOL. I don't know if Schoenfeld came to Mike's defense but he had advocated absolute shit, like some study where the participants supposedly did like 30 sets of squats to failure wit a minutes rest between sets, which is obviously impossible to do. He's part of the circle jerk. And now with this debacle Mike says asinine things like "credentials do not really mean anything." As if he didn't build his business around his PhD and start every video with "Hi this is Dr Mike." Regarding Lyle, if someone is interested in his views you can read his articles on his site and then tell me he's stupid. All his detractors say Lyle is a very smart man but he's a meanie but in my opinion his attacks have focused on substance, real issues with their theories and interpretations.

Mike tried  humble approach but now he's questioning if Salomon reading his thesis might be illegal or at leas unethical LOL. He also says his thesis was only a third of the paper and was dumbed down for other coaches LOL.



I couldn't immediately find the short clip for this but if you go to 3:28 or so you can watch Brad Schoenfeld train to failure, "this is my failure" :D

=223

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 03, 2025, 02:12:59 PM
In the bench press for example, you get the pec tears due to the angle of the elbow and the extreme stretch. Mike advocates using this specialty bar to go even deeper. In the squat he's like Tom Platz and can sit down very deep and squat like an elevator with an upright back. That's not most people especially taller ones. Since I've trained with powerlifters I can barely get to 90 degrees no matter the load. I guess I could force it but the back would round a little, hips would hurt and so on. I know many have tried extra deep angled leg presses but can feel that butt coming off, even a cm could be injurious.

If anyone might be interested, here's Solomon's response to his most high profile critics, Mike and Layne Norton. Layne has put out a lot of good info for sure but he came out against Solomon with this snotty ad hominem reply, like he didn't know of the issues and it's just a "closing of ranks," their little circle jerk. He then deleted his comment but someone had screenshotted it LOL. I don't know if Schoenfeld came to Mike's defense but he had advocated absolute shit, like some study where the participants supposedly did like 30 sets of squats to failure wit a minutes rest between sets, which is obviously impossible to do. He's part of the circle jerk. And now with this debacle Mike says asinine things like "credentials do not really mean anything." As if he didn't build his business around his PhD and start every video with "Hi this is Dr Mike." Regarding Lyle, if someone is interested in his views you can read his articles on his site and then tell me he's stupid. All his detractors say Lyle is a very smart man but he's a meanie but in my opinion his attacks have focused on substance, real issues with their theories and interpretations.

Mike tried  humble approach but now he's questioning if Salomon reading his thesis might be illegal or at leas unethical LOL. He also says his thesis was only a third of the paper and was dumbed down for other coaches LOL.



I couldn't immediately find the short clip for this but if you go to 3:28 or so you can watch Brad Schoenfeld train to failure, "this is my failure" :D

=223
All Solomon did was review the facts of Mike’s PhD dissertation. He reviewed data, words, grammar, etc.
He then clearly showed how Mike attempted to cover up his mistakes with possible academic fraud. He even showed how Mike lied to cover up his lies. It was easy to see because moron screwed that up. He doesn’t seem very intelligent despite his high iq he claims. He claims same iq as Einstein.

The PHD thesis was a disaster and concluded nothing noteworthy or valuable. It’s trash that should have never passed. Make the university seem like a PHD mill where anyone can get a PhD with minimal effort.

Mike tries to make the point that because Solomon doesn’t have a PHD, then he has no authority to review his public document. Nope. Now how that works. It can be compared to restaurant critics don’t need to be chefs and movie critics don’t need to be actors or directors.

Mike created his brand around his PHD. He released PHD approved protein shots. His commercial for his training app mentions PHD backed training. He even stated having a PHD carries weight and importance. His public image was a genius sports trainer. Now that his PHD was exposed and found to be shit, he says credentials don’t matter. You can’t have it both ways Mike. You can’t say your PHD is distinguished when it makes you money and suddenly say it doesn’t matter when it’s exposed to be trash.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 03, 2025, 02:24:23 PM

Mike created his brand around his PHD. He released PHD approved protein shots. His commercial for his training app mentions PHD backed training. He even stated having a PHD carries weight and importance. His public image was a genius sports trainer. Now that his PHD was exposed and found to be shit, he says credentials don’t matter. You can’t have it both ways Mike. You can’t say your PHD is distinguished when it makes you money and suddenly say it doesn’t matter when it’s exposed to be trash.

Mike is in serious damage control mode, Solomon says he's deleted like 2K comments on some of his his videos. I wonder how much he's made, they are talking multi-millions.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: snx on November 03, 2025, 03:17:54 PM
The good news for Israetel; social media has a memory like a goldfish and the algorithm simply rewards views. He has the chance to come back. Many of his viewers are young to the lifting game and simply don’t care about the morass of this professional scandal. This scandal, legitimate as it is, isnt all that interesting to the mouth breathing masses. At least over the long term if israetel stays at it and plugs away with content that works.

From a PR and perhaps ultimately a tangible shareholder value perspective, the real loser is Renaissance Periodization. Their platform is built on trust, academia, authoritative perspectives and scientific rigor. The cult of personality that is “Dr Mike” will survive. The brand that is RP will suffer irreperable harm to their reputation (as a result of their very clear association with israetel) leading to coaches leaving the platform (they are the worker bees and reputational leaders with the company’s consumers). Word will spread, the brand will be a pariah, and reputational leaders in the industry not willing to besmirch their name will flee. Eventually it’ll be quite unfashionable to be seen with RP. And that will be their end.

Too bad. Their product was decent. They just fell prey to what many brands before them have fallen prey to; knowing you’ve hitched your wagon to a flawed brand candidate and hoping for the best and never planning for the worst.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Dave D on November 03, 2025, 03:48:27 PM
He did stop bodybuilding but kept his site open to discussions. Smart guy but like many others isn't ready to accept new ideas.

My theory is quite simple. While training my arms 26 years ago I was trying to get them as big as possible. I applied severe tension on my biceps and triceps but they stopped growing no matter what I did. One evening I changed my triceps exercise to one recommended by Larry Scott. I have an engineering factory so made several triceps machines where one puts his elbows on a bench and does extensions that way. See the photo below to know what I am talking about. That exercise has the elbows adjacent to the ears so there is a lot of stretching involved. The apparatus has adjustable pads on each side to keep the elbows from moving sideways. Well, after a hard workout with this exercise I awoke the next day with severe DOMS in my triceps. Now, accept that I was training them really hard before the new exercise. How in the heck did they get sore? That wasn't important. What I embraced was the idea to try to keep them sore for many workouts because they grew from that one workout. I accept that part of the size enhancement was inflammation. Over the next month I did 10 workouts for arms and calves. Every 3rd day. I used this frequency because I set a world record in the pinch grip on a machine I designed and built and the only time I improved my lifts was training every third day. My record pinch grip with one hand is 92.5 kg or about 203 pounds. Training arms I was gaining 1/10 of an inch every workout. Doesn't sound like much but I was so pleased I couldn't wait to train arms and calves again. One exercise for biceps and one for triceps. For calves I did standing heel raises and ended up using 700 pounds for many sets. Did bouncing reps until they ached then walked in a circle twice and repeated the exercise for perhaps 10 sets. In the arm exercises I worked up to a maximum weight that I could do 15 reps with. Then I would keep the same heavy weight and do 4 or 5 more hard sets. I managed to sustain the DOMS for the month and ended up putting a full inch on my arms and calves. I had to stop training because I followed Larry Scott's recommendation and had my elbows on the pads. Unfortunately the heavy resistance damaged the sheath covering the elbow joint. Took a couple of months to repair the damage. My Achilles tendons were damaged from all those heavy ballistic bounces so I had to stop training my calves which was a disappointment. Now I know what not to do. Never put your elbows on pads when training biceps or triceps. Don't do ballistic calf raises. By the way, the idea behind trying to keep the DOMS occurring after every training session was simply to overcome the repeated bout effect. If you let the target muscles recover then you have to do something extraordinary the next time you train that body part.

I did a thought experiment about when humans lived in primitive times maybe a million or more years ago. I wondered what happened to a hunter who tried to kill an animal but failed and ended up exhausted and sore. Would he be able to hunt the next day with sore muscles? I assumed he had to if he wanted to survive. So we inherited a system where our bodies can perform even when our minds are telling us to rest.

Most Getbiggers couldn't see what my ideas were all about and wanted specific exercise, sets and reps. Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

I had to modify both the Nautilus arm machines so that the elbows were beyond the pads to avoid injuring them. It was a simple matter to move the pad 2 inches closer to the user so that the elbows were beyond the pads when exercising. I removed the back pad from the seated triceps machine and put the longer pad for a knee rest. I then built a foot rest so that the user could keep his body straight to allow maximum effort to be employed.

So there’s a lot of information here that doesn’t address Vans question but you spent the whole first paragraph talking about a very specific tricep machine you developed the you say and “Getbig can’t see what my ideas were about, wanting specific exercises, sets and reps”…. So you talk about inventing a tricep machine then insult the community because they only care about what exercises to use.

Your theory is :

Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

What makes this a groundbreaking theory ?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BB on November 03, 2025, 04:17:56 PM
.

Ha. The Israetel cries out while he strikes you.

Mike is the definition of a smart dumb guy. He's too smug to just wait this out without commenting. And Lyle, and Solomon by extension, are pitbulls with stuff like this. They've hobbled his entire "Dr" schtick, and are spinning him around in circles about it.

Also lol at Layne getting shoe'd in the ass spectacularly hard at 35 minutes in :).





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Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 03, 2025, 05:31:43 PM
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Ha. The Israetel cries out while he strikes you.

Mike is the definition of a smart dumb guy. He's too smug to just wait this out without commenting. And Lyle, and Solomon by extension, are pitbulls with stuff like this. They've hobbled his entire "Dr" schtick, and are spinning him around in circles about it.

Also lol at Layne getting shoe'd in the ass spectacularly hard at 35 minutes in :).





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All Mike had to do was admit his dissertation was not up to his current standards. But since he wrote it, he’s learned more and really progressed his career with all he’s learned since being out of uni. And everything would have been fine. He could have put his ego aside, accepted Solomon’s criticisms, and offered to correct his paper.
Instead, he lied and said he accidentally uploaded a wrong draft…then tried to commit academic fraud and cover up his crap work by trying to replace it with a newer version…but he and his team messed up the scheme got caught.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Rambone on November 03, 2025, 05:32:12 PM
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Ha. The Israetel cries out while he strikes you.

Mike is the definition of a smart dumb guy. He's too smug to just wait this out without commenting. And Lyle, and Solomon by extension, are pitbulls with stuff like this. They've hobbled his entire "Dr" schtick, and are spinning him around in circles about it.

Also lol at Layne getting shoe'd in the ass spectacularly hard at 35 minutes in :).





'

Damn this guy is good.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 03, 2025, 05:34:25 PM
Mike is in serious damage control mode, Solomon says he's deleted like 2K comments on some of his his videos. I wonder how much he's made, they are talking multi-millions.
Big time damage control. Views are way down, very obvious they’re deleting tons of comments, his IG is a mess, he destroyed the reps of Milo Wolf and Piggie Pak, and they’ve lost subs. Serves him right. But yeah he’s a real black cloud that’s messing up everyone’s livelihood. He’s defenseless against Solomon and too dim witted to keep up with him.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Skeletor on November 03, 2025, 06:39:41 PM
Big time damage control. Views are way down, very obvious they’re deleting tons of comments, his IG is a mess, he destroyed the reps of Milo Wolf and Piggie Pak, and they’ve lost subs. Serves him right. But yeah he’s a real black cloud that’s messing up everyone’s livelihood. He’s defenseless against Solomon and too dim witted to keep up with him.

Indeed. Some of these fellas could be getbiggers:

https://www.instagram.com/drmikeisraetel/p/DQnMOc9DVmB/
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Why don't you address directly the content of the criticism directed at you by Solomon, instead of using different fallacies to dismiss everything? They way you are reacting is worse than the phd errors themselves.
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" “I wrote a thesis that I bragged about constantly my whole career, but no one was supposed to ever read it!” "


https://www.instagram.com/drmikeisraetel/p/DQfLHcRCTwp
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Deleting comments instead of addressing valid critiques isn’t a good look considering the years of critiques you’ve dished out in your most viral vids my friend
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Hey Mr Mike, still not a PhD, still not a pro
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Proud of you mr mike you'll get there one day
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Is this the little man who lies !? Omg
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Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: SF1900 on November 04, 2025, 03:41:03 AM
Have Getbiggers reached any conclusion on what will help me grow 23” arms?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Vince B on November 04, 2025, 04:34:55 AM

So there’s a lot of information here that doesn’t address Vans question but you spent the whole first paragraph talking about a very specific tricep machine you developed the you say and “Getbig can’t see what my ideas were about, wanting specific exercises, sets and reps”…. So you talk about inventing a tricep machine then insult the community because they only care about what exercises to use.

Your theory is :

Train using exercises that cause DOMS and repeat every 3rd day. Warm up with lighter resistances until you can't do more than 15 reps. Keep using that maximum resistance for another 5 sets. Target one or two body parts each time you train this way as doing more body parts might end up shutting you down with too much waste products in your system.

What makes this a groundbreaking theory ?


DOMS, Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness, is something everyone knows something about. The lasting pain has not been embraced as a factor central to rapid hypertrophy. Almost all studies of the phenomenon try to reduce or eliminate that pain. Contrast those studies to my claim that DOMS should be generated then sustained for about a month to trigger rapid muscular growth. I have always been interested in trying to get muscles as large as possible drug free. If science can find short cuts without side effects that will be great. Until then there is no easy way to get big without taking anabolic drugs.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: PHINFAN on November 04, 2025, 04:44:31 AM
Guys like this in the fitness field calling themselves experts. No one is a expert at anything.
If you call yourself a expert you are either very arrogant of delusional.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Griffith on November 04, 2025, 05:07:45 AM

DOMS, Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness, is something everyone knows something about. The lasting pain has not been embraced as a factor central to rapid hypertrophy. Almost all studies of the phenomenon try to reduce or eliminate that pain. Contrast those studies to my claim that DOMS should be generated then sustained for about a month to trigger rapid muscular growth. I have always been interested in trying to get muscles as large as possible drug free. If science can find short cuts without side effects that will be great. Until then there is no easy way to get big without taking anabolic drugs.

Doesn't gradually increasing weight, increasing reps or periodically changing exercises cause DOMS anyway?

How is causing DOMS a new theory of training?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on November 04, 2025, 05:16:01 AM
Have Getbiggers reached any conclusion on what will help me grow 23” arms?

My Aunt Mildred knew the secret...

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Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: IroNat on November 04, 2025, 05:16:39 AM
Guys like this in the fitness field calling themselves experts. No one is a expert at anything.
If you call yourself a expert you are either very arrogant of delusional.


Is that your expert opinion?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: pamith on November 04, 2025, 06:36:05 AM
Brutal if true
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Kwon on November 04, 2025, 10:29:22 AM
Brutal if true

What if "Palestine" and whole Middle-East put Israetel in Place?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 04, 2025, 11:40:33 AM
Doesn't gradually increasing weight, increasing reps or periodically changing exercises cause DOMS anyway?

How is causing DOMS a new theory of training?

Many "scientists" say DOMS is an indicator of something, but all also say evidently it's not necessary for growth because some heavily muscled people don't get sore unless starting back the first few workouts. Mentzer was one who IIRC said he pretty much never got sore.

Regarding increasing loads, Israetel says if you get stronger each workout you're not training enough! Hard to make sense of that. You're getting 'better' each workout but you should really be getting weaker. I guess there's some "periodization" built in to wash off fatigue or whatever but I always feel my last workouts were successes if I'm getting stronger.

Lyle's long rant on the circle jerk.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQFSfiyDHSt/
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: joswift on November 04, 2025, 11:42:58 AM
Many "scientists" say DOMS is an indicator of something, but all also say evidently it's not necessary for growth because some heavily muscled people don't get sore unless starting back the first few workouts. Mentzer was one who IIRC said he pretty much never got sore.

Regarding increasing loads, Israetel says if you get stronger each workout you're not training enough! Hard to make sense of that. You're getting 'better' each workout but you should really be getting weaker. I guess there's some "periodization" built in to wash off fatigue or whatever but I always feel my last workouts were successes if I'm getting stronger.

what a fucking moron

Doesnt he know about the law of diminishing returns?

Ask him why someone training everyday cant deadlift 5000lbs after 30 years

Strength maxes out for everyone
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 04, 2025, 01:06:29 PM
Many "scientists" say DOMS is an indicator of something, but all also say evidently it's not necessary for growth because some heavily muscled people don't get sore unless starting back the first few workouts. Mentzer was one who IIRC said he pretty much never got sore.

Regarding increasing loads, Israetel says if you get stronger each workout you're not training enough! Hard to make sense of that. You're getting 'better' each workout but you should really be getting weaker. I guess there's some "periodization" built in to wash off fatigue or whatever but I always feel my last workouts were successes if I'm getting stronger.

Lyle's long rant on the circle jerk.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQFSfiyDHSt/
what a fucking moron

Doesnt he know about the law of diminishing returns?

Ask him why someone training everyday cant deadlift 5000lbs after 30 years

Strength maxes out for everyone
“Dr.” Mike also recommends deloads every 4 weeks. ::), rounding of the spine on belt squats, and letting your toes come off the ground during RDLs
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on November 04, 2025, 01:10:06 PM
what a fucking moron

Doesnt he know about the law of diminishing returns?

Ask him why someone training everyday cant deadlift 5000lbs after 30 years

Strength maxes out for everyone

exactly its not like you can keep on going up in strength 

mike is not strong either   

i saw one video he could only bench 240 for two reps which is pathetic for a guy who claims to be a power lifter and on a ton of gear
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Royalty on November 05, 2025, 04:10:30 AM
Mike Isratel may possibly be the absolute biggest piece of shit in the entire industry. I wish the absolute worst for him.

He claims the reason for his company Renaissance Periodization (RP) is to show the world his training/diet methods work! Except, they don't. And especially not for Mike.

Look at him...just look at him. He looks like shit. He's in his early 40s, but looks to be about 60. He's disgusting looking. Hairy and fat.

He was recently on the JustKidding podcast with a bunch of Chinese delivery drivers. His grotesque stomach was sticking out and resting on the sofa cushion of the sofa that he was slumped back on. He was on this worthless podcast doing more damage control for his PHD debacle. And his company RP sponsored this podcast that he was a guest on during which he attempted to defend himself.

Mike is a failed bodybuilder who has placed horribly in all his shows. And he ALWAYS will place horribly. He looked like utter dogshit at his recent show (and all previous shows) and blamed his poor placing on a bad tan and excess water in his love handles. He then got plastic surgery to remove these love handles. But if you ask him, his love handles were not caused by him being a fat fuck and not dieting correctly. Nope!! According to him, the excess water stored in his love handles were from when he "chose" to get fat as part of a dreamer bulk years ago! He now even has future plans for more surgeries! He wants to have tummy tucks, ribs broken, and a plastic waist device inserted in his gut.

And apparently, according to him, he's the only one who knows his body; and he's the only one who could coach himself. He feels no one is smart enough to coach him. His contest diet consisted of Gatorade and cereal.

He also appears to be a sexual deviant and a latent homosexual. In a past video with Johnny Shrieve, he discussed on camera being human toilet paper for other men. Then, in other videos, he has discussed giving blow jobs and rubbing other men's cocks. He's spoke about harming animals and violently assaulting other people in the fitness industry.

His PHD scandal is the most recent train wreck that he caused. His PHD paper was reviewed by Solomon Nelson and there were 100s and 100s of errors. He even misspelled the word science. Then he tried covering up all the mistakes and attempted to commit academic fraud. But many feel the university caught and him and stopped him. And then his social media company tried hiding and covering up all the errors and they got caught as well. And his PHD was junk. It was trash. His PHD paper basically concluded that fit people are fitter and strong people are stronger. His paper should never have passed. And he's been using his PHD for years as a marketing tool; and to portray himself as an exercise scientist and an intelligent researcher. He's built his business and reputation off his PHD. Now the truth was revealed. He's a dimwitted fraud.

He's been going on a damage control tour and digging himself deeper and deeper.

He's a piece of fucking shit. And always will be.


Dr Mike picked Mike Mentzer as his target.  Huge mistake. Mentzer has some of the best genetics ever.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 05, 2025, 09:11:09 AM
what a fucking moron

Doesnt he know about the law of diminishing returns?

Ask him why someone training everyday cant deadlift 5000lbs after 30 years

Strength maxes out for everyone
Same with hypertrophy although so few want to admit it.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on November 05, 2025, 03:21:43 PM
dr mike with all his drugs knowledge 160 iq  and surgeries he has had will never ever look like this
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 05, 2025, 03:33:02 PM


“Dr.” Ugly the scat deviant racist just posted a new video showing off his home gym and all the upgrades he made. More than likely he posted this video to get back at all the meanies online who are criticizing him.

Kind of sad that of all that equipment is being wasted on a fat slob hobbit that will never become a pro bodybuilder.

He also appears to be waddling around in a diaper and now has grotesque and concerning growths emerging from his skull.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 05, 2025, 03:37:13 PM
dr mike with all his drugs knowledge 160 iq  and surgeries he has had will never ever look like this
Einstein’s IQ level was 160. Mike claims his IQ is higher. Yep, the same fat slob dimwit that misspelled the word science more than once on his shitty PHD dissertation.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 05, 2025, 03:37:21 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 05, 2025, 03:41:51 PM

Dr Mike picked Mike Mentzer as his target.  Huge mistake. Mentzer has some of the best genetics ever.
Perfect score at the Mr. Universe. “Dr.” Fatso the racist has still continued to bash Mentzer. Someone on IG asked his reaction to the Mentzer situation and Yates. The good “Dr.” brought up Mentzer smoked meth.

Love all the idiots who defend him and say “But he has so much knowledge and his training advice has really helped me!” So if this fat slob is so high level and has so much knowledge, why hasn’t he used all his sage wisdom and science understanding on himself to actually do well in a show and not look like a hairy, fat slob?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 05, 2025, 03:44:13 PM
:)
Wow never saw the bottom photo.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 05, 2025, 11:25:25 PM
Mike could somewhat salvage some of his pride. He should just suffer for an extra 6 weeks. And take a tip from Mentzer and eat some Adderalls for a few weeks, but he probably did that already anyway. He can't do much about shape but everyone can respect tip-top condition. OTOH I don't care if he rehabilitates himself, but suggested one possible fairly easy way anyway.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 06, 2025, 12:19:49 AM
Mike could somewhat salvage some of his pride. He should just suffer for an extra 6 weeks. And take a tip from Mentzer and eat some Adderalls for a few weeks, but he probably did that already anyway. He can't do much about shape but everyone can respect tip-top condition. OTOH I don't care if he rehabilitates himself, but suggested one possible fairly easy way anyway.
Yep. His ego really screwed him this time. He made a fortune and a career off being this genius top trainer. He wouldn’t stop boasting about it his intelligence. Now that his PHD got exposed his whole brand doesn’t seem legitimate.
All he had to do was admit his PHD wasn’t the best and accept the criticism from Solomon. He could have agreed to fix the errors. He then should have brought up his whole career after the PHD and how much he has grown and learn and accomplished. Instead, he tried to cover up his mistake and got caught. That’s what everyone is upset about. His fraud and deceit.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 06, 2025, 12:22:48 AM
Yep. His ego really screwed him this time. He made a fortune and a career off being this genius top trainer. He wouldn’t stop boasting about it his intelligence. Now that his PHD got exposed his whole brand doesn’t seem legitimate.
All he had to do was admit his PHD wasn’t the best and accept the criticism from Solomon. He could have agreed to fix the errors. He then should have brought up his whole career after the PHD and how much he has grown and learn and accomplished. Instead, he tried to cover up his mistake and got caught. That’s what everyone is upset about. His fraud and deceit.
He should come to Getbig and defend himself. I'm sure everyone would be respectful.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 06, 2025, 01:52:34 AM


“Dr.” Ugly the scat deviant racist just posted a new video showing off his home gym and all the upgrades he made. More than likely he posted this video to get back at all the meanies online who are criticizing him.

Kind of sad that of all that equipment is being wasted on a fat slob hobbit that will never become a pro bodybuilder.

He also appears to be waddling around in a diaper and now has grotesque and concerning growths emerging from his skull.

Half the fun of training is being at the gym fooling around with gym buddies, and looking at the hotties.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Stephano on November 06, 2025, 02:30:36 AM
Half the fun of training is being at the gym fooling around with gym buddies, and looking at the hotties.

Yeah, I never understood the home gym thing.  I can never get myself motivated to go.  It's too much more fun to hang out with my bros and compete with my foes.

I have a "chest expander day" that I do at home, but even that's difficult to get into the mood for.  (BTW, chest expander day is something that I'm otherwise a big fan of.  Maybe I ought to buy another one and donate it to the gym. https://shop.handgripper.net/chest-expander.html )

Back on topic: "Dr." Mike's wife is 100% a dude.  That's not a biological woman.  Asian women don't look like that, and there are unironic trannies and ladyboys who are 10x more feminine.

I wouldn't say anything, but she's featured in that video, and her appearance was shocking to me.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Vince B on November 06, 2025, 02:32:36 AM
Many "scientists" say DOMS is an indicator of something, but all also say evidently it's not necessary for growth because some heavily muscled people don't get sore unless starting back the first few workouts. Mentzer was one who IIRC said he pretty much never got sore.

Regarding increasing loads, Israetel says if you get stronger each workout you're not training enough! Hard to make sense of that. You're getting 'better' each workout but you should really be getting weaker. I guess there's some "periodization" built in to wash off fatigue or whatever but I always feel my last workouts were successes if I'm getting stronger.

Lyle's long rant on the circle jerk.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQFSfiyDHSt/


My point is that if guys who don't get sore from training did get sore then they would grow faster. If -> then.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: wes on November 06, 2025, 02:51:00 AM

My point is that if guys who don't get sore from training did get sore then they would grow faster. If -> then.
Muscle breakdown followed by recovery is the  ticket.....lots of variables go into recovering as we all know.

Bottom line is,no recovery/growth  =  no progress.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 06, 2025, 03:01:16 AM
Yeah, I never understood the home gym thing.  I can never get myself motivated to go.  It's too much more fun to hang out with my bros and compete with my foes.

I have a "chest expander day" that I do at home, but even that's difficult to get into the mood for.  (BTW, chest expander day is something that I'm otherwise a big fan of.  Maybe I ought to buy another one and donate it to the gym. https://shop.handgripper.net/chest-expander.html )

Back on topic: "Dr." Mike's wife is 100% a dude.  That's not a biological woman.  Asian women don't look like that, and there are unironic trannies and ladyboys who are 10x more feminine.

I wouldn't say anything, but she's featured in that video, and her appearance was shocking to me.

She has big hands, but she is so short that is hard to believe it's a dude.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Griffith on November 06, 2025, 04:38:43 AM
She has big hands, but she is so short that is hard to believe it's a dude.

He's clearly never been in an Asian country and thinks they all look like the model influencers on IG.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Donny on November 06, 2025, 05:42:31 AM
Yeah, I never understood the home gym thing.  I can never get myself motivated to go.  It's too much more fun to hang out with my bros and compete with my foes.

I have a "chest expander day" that I do at home, but even that's difficult to get into the mood for.  (BTW, chest expander day is something that I'm otherwise a big fan of.  Maybe I ought to buy another one and donate it to the gym. https://shop.handgripper.net/chest-expander.html )

Back on topic: "Dr." Mike's wife is 100% a dude.  That's not a biological woman.  Asian women don't look like that, and there are unironic trannies and ladyboys who are 10x more feminine.

I wouldn't say anything, but she's featured in that video, and her appearance was shocking to me.

Hmm..OK
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Stephano on November 06, 2025, 07:11:55 AM
He's clearly never been in an Asian country and thinks they all look like the model influencers on IG.

Dude, look at her lower face.  That kind of overdevelopment, combined with a really underdeveloped upper face, is not normal anywhere in Asia.  It would be extremely difficult to find women who look like that, I think...

 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 06, 2025, 07:40:25 AM




Uh oh! Looks like his BJJ black belt may be fake as well.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on November 06, 2025, 01:58:28 PM
fuck you dr mike shitbag

btw natural wonder everything you say about dr mike is true. i bet he pays big dicked thugs to fuck him.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 06, 2025, 03:14:32 PM
fuck you dr mike shitbag

btw natural wonder everything you say about dr mike is true. i bet he pays big dicked thugs to fuck him.
He makes non-stop penis and gay jokes in his videos. He also discussed being human toilet paper in a video with Johnny Shrieve once and discussed giving blow jobs to 2 young men in a recent video.
He’s now playing the poor victim.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: oldschoolfan on November 06, 2025, 04:09:10 PM
He makes non-stop penis and gay jokes in his videos. He also discussed being human toilet paper in a video with Johnny Shrieve once and discussed giving blow jobs to 2 young men in a recent video.
He’s now playing the poor victim.

i never liked the guy always came off as an arrogant piece of shit.   especially ragging on mike mentzer who blows him away in every category  dr mike is a prime example of a youtube shitbag.

he reminds me of some posters on here as well
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 06, 2025, 06:28:42 PM
He makes non-stop penis and gay jokes in his videos. He also discussed being human toilet paper in a video with Johnny Shrieve once and discussed giving blow jobs to 2 young men in a recent video.
He’s now playing the poor victim.

Were the aforementioned blowjobs at the same time?  Sword fight?  Were they ditsoon?

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 07, 2025, 04:53:41 AM
“Dr.” Mike also recommends deloads every 4 weeks. ::), rounding of the spine on belt squats, and letting your toes come off the ground during RDLs

Ok this one I’ll cop to agreeing with.  I wouldn’t do it for heavy sets, but 5lb plates under the toes for DB RDLs gives you a fantastic stretch in the hamstrings.

Hmm..OK

“Hanging with bros” being an unfamiliar concept to Donny is the least surprising thing I’ve read in a while ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 07, 2025, 05:40:13 AM
Ok this one I’ll cop to agreeing with.  I wouldn’t do it for heavy sets, but 5lb plates under the toes for DB RDLs gives you a fantastic stretch in the hamstrings.

“Hanging with bros” being an unfamiliar concept to Donny is the least surprising thing I’ve read in a while ;D
Plates under toes or heels feels good. What Isratel recommends is standing flat on the ground and actually rocking back on the heels and letting toes come off the floor. He said if that happens during a set its fine and allows a great stretch. Even when going heavy.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: beakdoctor on November 07, 2025, 10:58:51 AM
Neidermyer, Dead!
Wormer, Dead!
Marmalard, Dead!
Isratel......

"Dead'!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 07, 2025, 04:47:04 PM

My point is that if guys who don't get sore from training did get sore then they would grow faster. If -> then.

Seems impossible to test the theory. How would you measure rate of soreness? At 15 or 16 I did a single set of squats a few times and it took 10 days for the DOMS to start going away, by day 14 completely gone.

Who likes heel elevation for quads?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOJ9K2uEoG9/
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 07, 2025, 04:50:33 PM
Seems impossible to test the theory. How would you measure rate of soreness? At 15 or 16 I did a single set of squats a few times and it took 10 days for the DOMS to start going away, by day 14 completely gone.

Who likes heel elevation for quads?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOJ9K2uEoG9/
The Steel Squat Wedges from Prime are excellent.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 18, 2025, 06:17:41 AM
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 18, 2025, 11:59:41 AM

He's worthless and each day he digs himself deeper. Views are down on his RP channel, and majority of all the comments ridicule him. All he had to do was admit his PHD was not the best back then, but point out all that he's accomplished since writing it. He and his brain dead fans love to harp on how it was just a few silly little errors and all this hate is simply jealousy from brain dead dodo birds. 1st off, it was 100s of really bad unacceptable errors. 2nd, his dissertation contributed nothing noteworthy. It was the equivalent quality of turds floating in a rest stop clogged toilet. And what really got people fed up was him lying and committing academic fraud to try and cover up his mistakes.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Sandrock on November 18, 2025, 08:03:06 PM
He's worthless and each day he digs himself deeper. Views are down on his RP channel, and majority of all the comments ridicule him. All he had to do was admit his PHD was not the best back then, but point out all that he's accomplished since writing it. He and his brain dead fans love to harp on how it was just a few silly little errors and all this hate is simply jealousy from brain dead dodo birds. 1st off, it was 100s of really bad unacceptable errors. 2nd, his dissertation contributed nothing noteworthy. It was the equivalent quality of turds floating in a rest stop clogged toilet. And what really got people fed up was him lying and committing academic fraud to try and cover up his mistakes.

If Mike Israetel came across that scene he'd eat those turds
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 19, 2025, 12:24:14 AM
He's worthless and each day he digs himself deeper. Views are down on his RP channel, and majority of all the comments ridicule him. All he had to do was admit his PHD was not the best back then, but point out all that he's accomplished since writing it. He and his brain dead fans love to harp on how it was just a few silly little errors and all this hate is simply jealousy from brain dead dodo birds. 1st off, it was 100s of really bad unacceptable errors. 2nd, his dissertation contributed nothing noteworthy. It was the equivalent quality of turds floating in a rest stop clogged toilet. And what really got people fed up was him lying and committing academic fraud to try and cover up his mistakes.
No PhD would ever admit that. They have massive egos.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 19, 2025, 04:48:33 AM
If Mike Israetel came across that scene he'd eat those turds
I feel he would or he would want to see a video of someone doing so. He's discussed being human toilet paper in a past video with Johnny Shrieve.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 19, 2025, 04:49:51 AM
No PhD would ever admit that. They have massive egos.
His ego is huge. His PHD should have never passed. He even misspelled science and exercise.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 19, 2025, 08:34:55 AM
His ego is huge. His PHD should have never passed. He even misspelled science and exercise.

Haha he blamed autocorrect on the science too but the way he spelled it it wasn't even a word :D

I doubt this fella feels any shame actually. They cut in a clip in some of these videos where he brags how easily he lies :D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 19, 2025, 09:29:22 AM
His ego is huge. His PHD should have never passed. He even misspelled science and exercise.
An elementary student has better spelling skills. East Tennessee University. ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 19, 2025, 04:50:10 PM
Mike sucks male tits. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Dave D on November 19, 2025, 05:40:14 PM
Mike sucks male tits.

Let’s take it easy on Mike.
He lives in Detroit.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 19, 2025, 06:13:47 PM
Let’s take it easy on Mike.
He lives in Detroit.

That's not true, is it?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Dave D on November 19, 2025, 07:32:57 PM
That's not true, is it?

Yes.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 19, 2025, 09:01:31 PM
Yes.

I'll be damned. He's still a douche bag.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: MuscleBuff on November 19, 2025, 10:16:54 PM
Dorian is small and useless to us now
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: MAXX on November 19, 2025, 10:59:50 PM
If there was no study before showing that increased muscle mass showed improved athletic ability I guess the study was merited how f-ing stupid it may sound...

 Because you could draw that conclusion from just observational studys. Like why do 100m sprinters have high lean bodymass. Well obviously since it increases muscle strength and output. Why do all strength athletes have high bodymass. Because it increases their ability.. Why do we have weightclasses in sports, because it increases output and power.

Never the less the study seems badly made and not sure if he even actually used a group to test on or if he made it up in the tables. The whole PHD seems like something unmotivated high schooler would make for an exam at like 15...
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 20, 2025, 05:45:00 AM
That's not true, is it?
According to "Dr." Fatso, in an interview he had with Dr. Mike, he said that he "lives in a beautiful part of Detroit." But "each morning, when he goes out to his gym, he sees the trees and lake. And he knows they're beautiful and he loves them. But all he's filled with is RAGE!"
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 20, 2025, 05:46:14 AM
Mike sucks male tits.
That's what his chest looks like now if you watch his new Vegas gym video. His chest looks floppy, folded over, and deflated.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 20, 2025, 06:25:09 AM
If there was no study before showing that increased muscle mass showed improved athletic ability I guess the study was merited how f-ing stupid it may sound...

 Because you could draw that conclusion from just observational studys. Like why do 100m sprinters have high lean bodymass. Well obviously since it increases muscle strength and output. Why do all strength athletes have high bodymass. Because it increases their ability.. Why do we have weightclasses in sports, because it increases output and power.

Never the less the study seems badly made and not sure if he even actually used a group to test on or if he made it up in the tables. The whole PHD seems like something unmotivated high schooler would make for an exam at like 15...

He went and said his "thesis" was only a third of the paper. Other people wrote parts of it, such as his guidance professor or whatever he called it. Said people don't realize how much of a collaborative an effort a PhD is. I don't know how it all works, I don't live in that world but it sounded like excuses me. It was also just supposed to be something "simple" to help other coaches ::) Then he said "credentials" like PhDs don't mean much in themselves haha, how he doesn't think he has much of an ego. Has said he can learn a field of study in a year better than any expert on something specific because of his high  IQ, so high it can't actually be tested, but well over 160. All this to say that I always disliked his attitude mainly, I didn't even want to hear if there was good info in there :D

Lyle is a madman with a nasty attitude sometimes but I still like him because he's "real" if you know what I mean. His point about there being cliques in the industry where people hold each others' backs is very true, dissenters are kept out no matter how right they are. Schoenfeld and Layne Norton are a couple of members of the circle jerk.

I think Mike has a strong ethnic identity too if you look at his close circle. Lyle might have some of it too as I think he's part Lebanese or something so he might dislike the Jewishness or 'Jewy' attitude of Mike. But facts can still be established if you are honest :D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: falco on November 20, 2025, 08:16:04 AM
Mike sucks male tits dicks.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: BB on November 20, 2025, 09:27:26 AM

I think Mike has a strong ethnic identity too if you look at his close circle. Lyle might have some of it too as I think he's part Lebanese or something so he might dislike the Jewishness or 'Jewy' attitude of Mike. But facts can still be established if you are honest :D

Lyle's part Palestinian, years ago he mentioned it as funny, because he worked in a lot of Jewish businesses. I think he's mostly irreligious though.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 20, 2025, 05:03:46 PM
Lyle's part Palestinian, years ago he mentioned it as funny, because he worked in a lot of Jewish businesses. I think he's mostly irreligious though.

Aha ok, thanks.

You can still have a strong sense of ethnic identity despite being irreligious or atheist, though. I think most Ashkenazi are atheist if I'm not mistaken but still have a strong ethnic identity. I don't know if this plays into any of Lyle's feuds but I think it's possible. It's a hard thing to shed completely.

As one fella elaborated, in an article mostly critical of Fuentes (most won't read but I think this is worthwhile stuff):

Quote
[size7pt]I do believe Tucker believes in this “judge everyone as an individual” thing. Which frankly, I agree with. I simply think that it is the individual decision of someone born to a Jewish family to call himself “a Jew.” Whereas I am suspicious, rightfully so (obviously) of all Jews, I also cross the street if a group of young black males are headed toward me on the sidewalk. In the latter case, I do not argue that every single black is a killer, just that I want to be on the safe side. Due to statistics, I will not risk my wallet or my life by telling myself “I’m not racist, I’m not racist” and crossing paths with a group of black youth. Just so, I agree that not everyone born Jewish is necessarily evil (I generally appreciate Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, Dave Smith, Max Blumenthal, and a few others). However, I am suspicious that any Jew is doing something weird and destructive, due to statistics, and will act accordingly.

I do not accept this idea that if you are engaging in generalizations, and making decisions based on pattern recognition, that you are “hating people because of their DNA.” I don’t really believe that “antisemitism,” according to the definition of “hating people for no reason other than because they were born Jewish,” is a thing. The only people I’ve seen express hatred for people based on how they were born are the Jews themselves, due to their “chosen people” ideology.

But it is simply a fact that only Jews are awarded this status where you are not allowed to use pattern recognition. People are allowed to talk about “black crime,” they are allowed to talk about the “Italian Mafia.” No one says “oh but you need to be careful because if you say that, it sounds like you mean every black is in a gang or every Italian is in the mafia.” It is taken for granted that you do not mean every single individual black or Italian.

I have had fights with AI about this. AI will be frank with you. I asked “what is the difference between saying Jews control the media and blacks control rap music,” and the robot said “it’s different because of the Holocaust.”

There is no rule that says a Jew is required to say “I am a Jew,” and when a person does say that, they are not simply identifying their ethnic origins, but showing that they identify with Jewishness. The key identity of the Jews is that they murdered Jesus. That is the basis of rabbinical Judaism, which was established after Christ, when the Romans destroyed the second temple. It is an offshoot of Christianity. They use parts of the Christian Bible and then mix it with very strange and satanic texts, and their focus is on their superiority to non-Jews and their hatred of Christ. A person that identifies that way is necessarily suspicious.

I recently said that when a person says “I am gay,” they are saying “I like to have things shoved up my ass.” Just so, when a person says “I am Jewish,” they are saying they hate Jesus and his followers. If a Jew says “my parents were Jewish, but I have rejected the Jewish culture due to its satanic nature,” I am more inclined to trust them. However, I will not completely trust them, given that statistically, when a Jew says this, he is attempting to trick you...
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-support-while-also-laying-some-groundwork-for-my-tucker-vance-fuentes-analysis/
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Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: affeman on November 22, 2025, 03:49:19 AM
1992 Guestposing

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: MuscleBuff on November 22, 2025, 06:53:54 AM
Layne Norton clinging to scraps of dead hair is hilarious
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on November 22, 2025, 12:15:37 PM
Looks like he lost 1 million subs on his Youtube channel.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 22, 2025, 06:39:05 PM
Layne Norton clinging to scraps of dead hair is hilarious

Expect nothing less from such a cuck. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Lartinos on November 22, 2025, 06:57:52 PM
The guy’s channel is still killing it for now from what I see.

People in the end just want a perception of authority.

Whether or not he has staying power will be if he actually has talent.

For now he has a formula that our ruler’s algorithms like.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: PHINFAN on November 22, 2025, 07:00:22 PM
He actually lives in the Brighton area not Detroit.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 22, 2025, 07:14:13 PM
He actually lives in the Brighton area not Detroit.

As Jim Price would famously say "nice area!"
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Dave D on November 22, 2025, 07:23:49 PM
He actually lives in the Brighton area not Detroit.

Sounds about right. I know people from Pontiac who claim Detroit. The rest of the country has no idea of anything in Michigan outside of Detroit.

Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: AbrahamG on November 22, 2025, 07:59:51 PM
Sounds about right. I know people from Pontiac who claim Detroit. The rest of the country has no idea of anything in Michigan outside of Detroit.

A lot of assholes probably know about Ann Arbor. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: MuscleBuff on November 23, 2025, 01:14:33 AM
I get very uncomfortable watching Kike Israel's nose. Is it GH induced cell growth?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: wes on November 23, 2025, 01:47:05 AM
Let’s take it easy on Mike.
He lives in Detroit.
yeah but he`s no Abe G. !!  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: Dave D on November 23, 2025, 04:58:54 PM
A lot of assholes probably know about Ann Arbor.

LOL great point.


yeah but he`s no Abe G. !!  ;)

See above.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel in his place
Post by: beakdoctor on November 24, 2025, 01:07:20 AM
Sounds about right. I know people from Pontiac who claim Detroit. The rest of the country has no idea of anything in Michigan outside of Detroit.

Anyone who lives anywhere near the metro area says "Detroit" when asked where they live. Not because people in the rest of the country aren't familiar with the surrounding suburbs, they say it because they think it sounds bad ass.

Odds are: if they are white and especially if they have a reputation as a bullshitter, they do not live in Detroit.