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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2012, 06:29:31 PM »
OBAMA'S GAY MARRIAGE HEAD FAKE
By Roger Stone

Once Gay Americans are through celebrating President Barack Obama's "personal" support of Gay marriage equality, they will learn that Obama's "evolution" changes nothing. Obama's new position is a bullshit cop-out.

This comes on the heels of an cynical Obama campaign pirouette where Team Obama trotted out first Secretary of State Hillary Clinton then Vice President "Crazy" Joe Biden to say they support gay marriage and imply that the President would too--after the election.

Now, incredibly, Obama says Gay marriage is a state issue. That's what they used to say about abortion and before that, slavery. Now Obama tells us that gay couples should be able to marry but he doesn't believe they have a right to do so. Obama would leave the question to the states--in other words -the status quo. This is like saying that public schools ought to be integrated but if the people of Mississippi disagree, well he says, "let the states decide"

If Obama believes that marriage quality is a constitutionally guaranteed civil right, as former Governor Gary Johnson does, than it can't be abridged by the states. Forty-four states currently ban gay marriage. Under Obama millions of Americans in most states will continue be denied the right to marry the person of their choice.

The courts will soon address the issue of whether the equal protection clause of the constitution guarantees gays the same access to marriage rights as heterosexual men and women as everyone else as Governor Johnson does-- including California's Proposition 8 case.

There is also a challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act, which bars gay men and woman from receiving federal marriage benefits and allows states to refuse to recognize valid gay marriages performed in other states. Judge Andrew Napolitano called this 'settled law" because the Federal Courts have upheld the validity of interracial marriages when some states sought to ban them on FOX. He's right. Obama new position on Gay marriage undercuts the pro-marriage arguments in those cases.
,Team Obama knows that African Americans overwhelmingly oppose gay marriage equality and fear that a more sweeping forthright stand by the President might put Ohio Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia out of reach. Obama could take a lesson in leadership from Governor Andrew Cuomo who brought Republicans and Democrats together to make same-sex marriage legal in New York State. Instead Obama tries to have it both ways.

Barack Obama is playing a cruel and cynical game with peoples lives and happiness. He did nothing to establish that gay marriage is a right yesterday.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2012, 07:22:18 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76191.html


Ha ha ha.   Romney gaining support on this! 

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2012, 07:24:43 PM »
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Mitt Romney's opposition to gay marriage unites base
Politico ^ | 5/10/12 | By EMILY SCHULTHEIS
Posted on May 10, 2012 10:02:36 PM EDT by icwhatudo

Social conservatives who doubted Mitt Romney now have a reason to rally around him after President Obama’s embrace of gay marriage.

Despite the fact that very conservative and religious voters didn’t support Romney in the primary, their fierce opposition to the issue will give the presumptive GOP nominee a way to harness conservative enthusiasm in November.

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“President Obama just ‘evolved’ himself into a one-term president,” said Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage. “This is a disaster for the Democratic Party: the reality is that the exact states he needs to win are the states that have overwhelmingly passed legislation defining marriage as between a man and a woman.”

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2012, 03:15:53 AM »
WASHINGTON -- President Obama's evolutionary leap on same-sex marriage is a historic advance in the nation's long march toward equality and justice. It is also a bold political gambit that sacrifices some votes in exchange for potentially renewing his image as a leader of vision and hope.

The truth is that it should not have taken Obama so long to recognize that gays and lesbians should have the right to marry. I'm one of the many observers who never understood how his former opposition to same-sex marriage could be squared with the worldview that emerged from his speeches and actions. It seemed incongruous to me that someone who so valued fairness and inclusiveness would have such a blind spot.


 
Nor do I understand Obama's criteria for deciding that his "evolving" view on gay marriage had finally completed its transformation. Was it only half-baked, say, a month ago?

Ultimately, however, history will care only that Obama was the first president to acknowledge that same-sex marriage is a national issue involving the civil rights of millions of Americans. The astonishment and joy expressed by so many gays and lesbians nationwide following Obama's announcement Wednesday showed what a big deal this is.

We all know where this is heading. Obama said that while he now supports same-sex marriage, the decision should be left up to the states. That would seem to bode ill, since 30 states have amended their constitutions to prohibit gay marriage; on Tuesday, North Carolina voters overwhelmingly approved such an amendment, with 61 percent voting to ban same-sex marriage versus 39 percent who opposed the measure.

But polls show that public opinion on gay marriage has been shifting rapidly across the country. A Washington Post survey in March reported that 52 percent of Americans believe it should be legal for same-sex couples to marry, while 43 percent believe it should be illegal. In a March 2004 poll, the Post found that only 38 percent believed gay marriage should be legal while 59 percent were opposed. That's almost a complete reversal in just eight years.

Moreover, polls show a clear generational divide: Americans under 40 approve of gay marriage by a big margin. This explains the rush to amend state constitutions, in what amounts to a King Canute-like attempt to hold back the actuarial tide.

But same-sex marriage is already allowed in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont and the District of Columbia. As more and more couples wed, courts around the country will have to rule on questions involving marriages that are recognized in some states but not in others. It may be a long, tangled process, but eventually a day will come when same-sex marriage is considered unexceptional and only historians appreciate that once upon a time it was controversial.

Obama's pronouncement hastens that day. It also has shorter-term implications.

It seems clear that his position on gay marriage will cost Obama some support in what promises to be a tough battle for re-election. The crucial impact will be in the swing states. North Carolina, for example, is a former Republican stronghold that Obama won in 2008. Will the people who voted so decisively against same-sex marriage be motivated to vote against Obama in November?

Some will, undoubtedly. But it was interesting that Obama's all-but-certain GOP opponent, Mitt Romney, reacted to the president's shift on gay marriage with a relatively subdued statement reiterating his opposition but acknowledging that the issue is a "tender and sensitive topic." The risk for Romney is that while his position -- he wants a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage -- is popular among Republican primary voters, it might be seen as mean-spirited and punitive by the independents who will ultimately decide the election.

Politically, Obama may have taken a big step toward reclaiming the future.

The magic of hope and change that suffused his 2008 campaign has dissipated after 40 grueling months in office. Obama's supporters could point to his accomplishments and cite the reasons why Romney would be a poor replacement, but the optimism and excitement were missing.

Obama could have kept silent on gay marriage, and frustrated progressives still would have voted for him. Instead, he spoke out when he didn't have to and took a stance that might hurt him in key states -- in the process reminding us of how he can surprise and inspire.

Did I just catch a whiff of that hopey-changey stuff in the air? 









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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2012, 06:34:20 AM »
Obama's Unreal Gay-Marriage Moment
By Rich Lowry



President Obama insists that he didn’t announce his support for gay marriage out of political considerations. He’s right. He did it out of self-regard.
 
How it must have eaten away at him to be the first African-American president, yet not associate himself with what has been deemed the foremost civil-rights issue of the age. To be a progressive in favor of all things “forward,” but retrograde on marriage. To know that his stance was a transparent charade and see it treated as such by the lefty opinion makers he respects most.



 






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To watch his sloppy, unserious second-in-command get all the credit for moral courage by forthrightly endorsing gay marriage on “Meet the Press” while he clung to his artful dodge.
 
As an act of personal catharsis, the president’s statement of support was in an appropriately first-person key: I, me and my. He had favored gay marriage back in 1996 when it was out on the fringe. He was one of the few people on the planet who flipped into opposition as gay marriage became more mainstream.
 
For a while, he invoked his faith in justifying his opposition, then he said he was “evolving,” which everyone understood to mean he would embrace gay marriage as soon as he wasn’t running for re-election anymore.
 
The Obama team likes to say Mitt Romney’s flip-flops show he lacks a core. Obama’s long spell of deception on gay marriage shows he has a core, but one that he has devoted much of his national political career to obscuring.
 
The president’s willingness finally to say what he believes increased the sense among gay-marriage supporters that final victory is inevitable. History with a capital “H” is on their side. The 21st century itself is practically synonymous with gay marriage.
 
Although this smug confidence will envelope Obama as he campaigns in such lucrative precincts as George Clooney’s living room, it badly overstates gay marriage’s prospects.
 
History is littered with the wreckage of causes pronounced inevitable by all right-thinking people. The failed Equal Rights Amendment looked inevitable when it passed Congress in 1972 and immediately 30 states ratified it. Opposition to abortion that was supposed to inevitably wither away is as robust as ever.
 
The forces favoring gun control seemed unstoppably on the march when Congress passed the Brady Bill and the assault-weapons ban in the 1990s, but there are more protections for gun rights now than two decades ago.
 
Gay marriage’s inevitability hasn’t been evident to the voters in 31 states who have written into their constitutions that marriage is between a man and a woman. The latest is North Carolina, where 61 percent of voters embraced the traditional definition of marriage in a referendum. North Carolina isn’t Mississippi. Obama won North Carolina in 2008, and Democrats are holding their convention there.
 
Nationwide, no referendum simply upholding traditional marriage has ever lost, and even in Maine, voters in 2009 reversed a gay-marriage law passed by the legislature.
 
These state constitutional provisions constitute irreducible facts on the ground. Reversing them by democratic means will be the work of a generation. For the foreseeable future, the country will be largely traditional on marriage, with enclaves of same-sex unions as boutique blue-state institutions lacking full legitimacy.
 
Rather than waiting for the tide of history to do its inexorable work, advocates of gay marriage really want the Supreme Court to impose their new definition of marriage. Inevitability’s full name is Anthony McLeod Kennedy, the swing-vote justice who is perfectly capable of remaking marriage by judicial fiat.
 
There’s no doubt that supporters of gay marriage have made progress, but they shouldn’t congratulate themselves yet. Their cause is still subject to events, such as Obama’s fate this fall. If the president’s newly frank support for gay marriage costs him crucial swing states, his coming-out party will be seen — inevitably — as more a setback to the cause than a watershed.

Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2012, 06:36:42 AM »
There is such a thing as political pragmatism.

Lincoln himself would never have been elected had he just boldly proclaimed he would end slavery before he was elected.

Does this mean that Lincoln was pro-slavery? Of course not.

It is a slow process to wear down backward thinking and hate. It must be done incrementally and almost always against the bigotry of righteous mythology.

Say what you like, but you know it's true.

Therefore, by following your "logic",  you can't label Mitt Romney or any politician a flip flopper.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2012, 06:54:16 AM »
In fact, Obama has not “evolved”—he has changed his position whenever his political fortunes required him to do so. Running for the Illinois state senate from a trendy area of Chicago in 1996, he was for gay marriage. “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,” he wrote in answer to a questionnaire back then. In 2004, he was running for the U.S. Senate and needed to appeal to voters statewide. So he evolved, and favored civil unions but opposed homosexual “marriage.” In 2008, running for president, he said, “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.” Now in 2012, facing a tough reelection campaign where he needs energized supporters of gay “marriage” and has disappointed them with his refusal to give them his support, he is for it. To paraphrase John Kerry, he was for it before he was against it before he was for it again.



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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2012, 09:22:30 AM »


Ron Brown: 'Views stand the same'Updated: May 8, 2012, 12:24 PM ETESPN.com news services Recommend438Tweet197Comm ents5K+EmailPrintNebraska assistant coach Ron Brown, the subject of recent national headlines after speaking out against an Omaha gay and transgender anti-discrimination law, won't attend a hearing Monday in which the Lincoln City Council will consider passing a similar ordinance.

But it's by no means because he regrets the public nature or vehement argument of his initial stance -- or because he has been discouraged by coaches or administrators to do otherwise.

Brown, who the university has said is within his rights as a citizen to express his religious and political views publicly, says he doesn't want his appearance to make news.

"A number of fellow Christians who have been working on legislation and working on the nuts and bolts of this issue told me, 'Look, there's going to be so much media attention over you, it's going to take away from the issue,' " Brown told the Lincoln Journal Star on Saturday.

"Everything inside of me said, 'I don't want the media to stop me from going.' Then I realized it was going to be a circus, and everybody already knows how I think. My views stand the same.

"As I prayed about it, I thought it was not in the Lord's will for me to testify."

In March, when the Omaha City Council held a hearing for the measure that added local protections against discrimination for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people, Brown challenged ordinance sponsor Ben Gray and other members to remember the Bible does not condone homosexuality. He told council members they would be held to "great accountability for the decision you are making."

In the aftermath of the speech, Cornhuskers athletic director Tom Osborne and university chancellor Harvey Perlman defended the right of faculty and students to voice their opinions about public events and issues.

But he was reprimanded for listing Memorial Stadium in Lincoln as his address of record in the council register. According to the Journal Star, he has apologized to Perlman for that.

"Nobody has told me at the university that I couldn't go," Brown told the newspaper on Saturday regarding the Lincoln hearing. "I've gotten assurance from the chancellor that, as a citizen, I can express my views publicly. I mean, this is almost like voting.

"I appreciate the University of Nebraska allowing me to go to the hearing if I chose to do so."

Nebraska coach Bo Pelini reiterated to the Journal Star that Brown would not be discouraged from appearing and speaking before the Lincoln council.

"Would I tell him not to go to the hearing? Absolutely not," Pelini said.


Brown, 55, heads a Christian ministry called FreedMen Nebraska, hosts a show on a statewide Christian radio network, appears on a cable-access channel in Lincoln and writes a column for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes' magazine. Brown also has written books on Christian character and growth.

"The question I have for you all is, like Pontius Pilate, what are you going to do with Jesus?" Brown asked at his March appearance in Omaha. "Ultimately, if you don't have a relationship with him, and you don't really have a Bible-believing mentality, really, anything goes... At the end of the day, it matters what God thinks most."

Brown has been an assistant at Nebraska under three head coaches, starting with Osborne in 1987. He was let go when Bill Callahan replaced Frank Solich in 2004. Pelini, who took over for Callahan in 2008, rehired Brown.

"Everything inside of me wants to go to the hearing and be part of any type of issue such as this, if work permits me to do it," Brown told the Journal Star. "I could've gone."

However, "I don't want this to be about me," he said.

Brown acknowledges that he uses his position as a platform for his ministry. He sprinkles in football metaphors during his many speaking engagements and sometimes references the players he's coached.

"If people want to make implications about the football program, I can't stop that," Brown said, according to the newspaper. "I mean, think about it. If somebody wanted to look on our team web site and see that I'm a Christian, and that I represent certain Christian activities ... what am I going to do, cut that out, too?

"I'm not going to cut out everything about me. This is about the city ordinance and I'm trying to keep people (focused) on that and not on me. There are people on both sides of the equation that are trying to make the right decisions for the city."

Brown also wrote a letter to the newspaper, published in Sunday's editions, in which he said his Christian beliefs led him to express his opposition to homosexuality. The letter notes that while he is against laws that protect gay people, he would never discriminate against gay players.

"I have and will embrace every player I coach, gay or straight ... but I won't embrace a legal policy that supports a lifestyle that God calls sin," he wrote.

On Friday, Attorney General Jon Bruning issued an opinion that said Nebraska cities cannot adopt ordinances protecting people from discrimination for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender because the state's anti-discrimination laws don't extend to sexual orientation.

Lincoln Mayor Chris Beutler said that wouldn't deter the city from putting the proposal to a vote.


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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2012, 11:53:42 AM »
Democrats Having Second Thoughts About Charlotte

By George E. Condon Jr.

May 10, 2012 | 1:00 PM





Democrats who already were queasy about the site of their national convention could be excused after Tuesday's election in North Carolina if they asked, "Tell me again just why we're going to Charlotte this year?" In fact, many Democrats privately are asking exactly that after the state's voters overwhelmingly approved a measure outlawing not just same-sex marriage -- which already was illegal in North Carolina -- but also any form of civil unions. Almost immediately after the vote, more than 20,000 people signed a "move the convention" petition being pushed by a New York group called Gay Marriage USA. And Twitter accounts lit up with hundreds of angry tweets demanding the party pull out of Charlotte.


 (RELATED: Obama's Risky Gay Marriage Gamble)

And it's not as if things were going swimmingly for convention organizers before Tuesday's vote. Fundraising was lagging with the Democrats' decision not to accept money from corporations, making it much more difficult to reach the needed $36.6 million. That led to more pressure on labor unions to pony up. But they would rather spend their money on grassroots efforts and are still miffed that the party decided to go to a "right to work" state and a city with few unionized hotels.
 
(RELATED: Where Democratic Senate Candidates Stand on Gay Marriage)

You can add to the mix an unpopular Democratic governor who has decided not to run for another term, likely handing the statehouse to the Republicans. And don't forget a messy sexual harassment scandal that has forced the state Democratic Party's executive director to resign and left the party chairman with no choice but to step down with a new chairman slated to be elected on Saturday.

 (RELATED: Romney Apologizes for Hurtful High School Pranks)

 And, oh yes, there is the fact that President Obama will be accepting his nomination with a speech at the unfortunately named Bank of America Stadium, an occasion that will lead to a run of stories about the $45 billion that the banking powerhouse received in the unpopular TARP bailout. And there will be mentions of the bank's inclusion on the list of mortgage companies where staffers signed foreclosure documents without verifying the information on them.

 What's not to love about a Charlotte convention? When the city beat out the other finalists -- Cleveland, Minneapolis and St. Louis -- it used the slogan "Charlotte in 2012: Reaching for Tomorrow." The challenge for Democrats now is to try to forget a pretty messy Today.


How stupid is that? Two of the other three finalist cities ALREADY PASSED the same type of marriage amendment in 2004 (Ohio and Missouri). And Minnesota is on deck this November.

This appears to be yet more foot-shooting by the left, trying to suck up to gays and, in the process, THEY are bringing up the social issues, playing RIGHT INTO Romney's hand. Connecting with the social conservatives is Romney's big weakness. Yet, the libs are practically rallying the troops and gift-wrapping the social conservatives' vote for Romney.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2012, 01:56:58 PM »
POLL: Obama's Gay Marriage Endorsement Is Turning More Voters Away
Brett LoGiurato|28 minutes ago|451|9


Here's the first poll, from Gallup/USA Today, measuring the effect of Barack Obama's gay marriage endorsement on voters.
 

It has to be a little troubling that a quarter of Independents say they are less likely to vote for him now. It's also rather strange, considering this Gallup poll from this week that found that 57 percent of Independents think gay marriage should be legal.
 
Also, the endorsement does not appear, at least yet, to have had an overly energizing effect on Obama's Democratic base, with only 24 percent more likely to vote for him. Republicans showed a more passionate response, with 52 percent saying they would be less likely to vote for him.
 
Overall, though, gay marriage does not figure to be a major issue in the election, with 60 percent of those polled saying it would have no effect on their vote.
 
The poll does show, however, that 51 percent overall do approve of his endorsement. That runs in line with the 50 percent that said they supported it in the Gallup poll this week.
 







Gallup
 


Obama's endorsement did not come without political risk, especially in key swing states and key demographics that propelled him to win the 2008 election.
 
One school of thought on the issue suggests that it would be politically popular for Obama to make the move because of the national trend upward. The argument against that is that gay marriage bans have passed in 30 states on ballot referendums, including in North Carolina on Tuesday.
 
"It takes a tremendous amount of courage to do that following a huge loss in North Carolina," Fred Karger, the gay Republican presidential candidate, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "And I know they're doing a lot of internal polling looking at Ohio, Florida, New Mexico. This is a still a very controversial issue.
 
"But that's what a president does. That's why we elect a president: for bold leadership."


Tags: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, 2012 Election, Election 2012, Gay Marriage, Gay Rights | Get Alerts for these topics »


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-gay-marriage-endorsement-turns-more-voters-away-2012-5#ixzz1ub3xyYnq


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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2012, 02:57:57 PM »
if he doesn't touch the law, who care what he thinks?

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2012, 03:01:36 PM »
if he doesn't touch the law, who care what he thinks?

BECAUSE ALL HE FOCUSES ON IS CAMPAIGNING BIRTH CONTROL GAY MARRIAGE AND UTTER HORSESHIT 

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2012, 03:07:46 PM »
BECAUSE ALL HE FOCUSES ON IS CAMPAIGNING BIRTH CONTROL GAY MARRIAGE AND UTTER HORSESHIT 

yep.   and repubs have passed dozens of symbolic anti-abortion and other bills too.  They all do it to kiss ass to the base.  it's part of politics.  both sides do it.  Moderate (middle 20%) aren't where the $ comes from.  It comes from the batshit 10% at the far left and right.  The ones who believe their bible literally or believe the govt should be holding their hand to take a piss.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2012, 05:56:26 PM »
http://store.barackobama.com/collections/lgbt-for-obama.html


I wonder how much of this crap bay Vince andre straw lurker blacken bought this week.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2012, 05:58:56 PM »
yep.   and repubs have passed dozens of symbolic anti-abortion and other bills too.  They all do it to kiss ass to the base.  it's part of politics.  both sides do it.  Moderate (middle 20%) aren't where the $ comes from.  It comes from the batshit 10% at the far left and right.  The ones who believe their bible literally or believe the govt should be holding their hand to take a piss.

Wow. Your so wise. Thank you for explaining to this captivated message board audience how politics work. However, I suppose your most recent moronic post beats the Trayvon Martin stupidity.  ::)

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2012, 08:09:16 PM »
POLL: Obama's Gay Marriage Endorsement Is Turning More Voters Away
Brett LoGiurato|28 minutes ago|451|9


Here's the first poll, from Gallup/USA Today, measuring the effect of Barack Obama's gay marriage endorsement on voters.
 

It has to be a little troubling that a quarter of Independents say they are less likely to vote for him now. It's also rather strange, considering this Gallup poll from this week that found that 57 percent of Independents think gay marriage should be legal.
 
Also, the endorsement does not appear, at least yet, to have had an overly energizing effect on Obama's Democratic base, with only 24 percent more likely to vote for him. Republicans showed a more passionate response, with 52 percent saying they would be less likely to vote for him.
 
Overall, though, gay marriage does not figure to be a major issue in the election, with 60 percent of those polled saying it would have no effect on their vote.
 
The poll does show, however, that 51 percent overall do approve of his endorsement. That runs in line with the 50 percent that said they supported it in the Gallup poll this week.
 







Gallup
 


Obama's endorsement did not come without political risk, especially in key swing states and key demographics that propelled him to win the 2008 election.
 
One school of thought on the issue suggests that it would be politically popular for Obama to make the move because of the national trend upward. The argument against that is that gay marriage bans have passed in 30 states on ballot referendums, including in North Carolina on Tuesday.
 
"It takes a tremendous amount of courage to do that following a huge loss in North Carolina," Fred Karger, the gay Republican presidential candidate, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "And I know they're doing a lot of internal polling looking at Ohio, Florida, New Mexico. This is a still a very controversial issue.
 
"But that's what a president does. That's why we elect a president: for bold leadership."


Tags: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, 2012 Election, Election 2012, Gay Marriage, Gay Rights | Get Alerts for these topics »


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-gay-marriage-endorsement-turns-more-voters-away-2012-5#ixzz1ub3xyYnq



Bold leadership? PLEASE!! His gay bundlers basically gave him an ultimatum: Endorse gay "marriage" or you get no more $$$$$ from us!!

If Obama's so "bold", why did he give Biden a first-class @$$-chewing for spilling the beans, ahead of schedule. Obama didn't want to support this mess until shortly before or after the election, to play it safe.

That is the mark of a political COWARD.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2012, 10:46:34 AM »
and you know about this ass chewing from where?
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2012, 11:06:18 AM »
and you know about this ass chewing from where?

Apparently, you're slow on the uptake.

This has been reported on several news stations over the last 2 days, that Biden and Obama had a private meeting, in which Biden apologized for his blabbing last Sunday.

Officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a private conversation, said Biden apologized to Obama shortly before the president's interview on Wednesday.

Biden's office issued a statement: "The President has been the leader on this issue from day one and the Vice President never intended to distract from that."


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/biden-apologizes-to-obama-over-gay-marriage-flap/1#.T66mUlJSTgp

If this is such a "bold" move or "evolution" by Obama (regarding his support of gay "marriage"), why is Biden APOLOGIZING to him and having private meetings?

Short answer: Biden got his @$$ chewed out, for blowing Obama's plan to bits.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2012, 08:43:50 PM »
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2012, 09:19:32 PM »
Apparently, you're slow on the uptake.

This has been reported on several news stations over the last 2 days, that Biden and Obama had a private meeting, in which Biden apologized for his blabbing last Sunday.

Officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a private conversation, said Biden apologized to Obama shortly before the president's interview on Wednesday.

Biden's office issued a statement: "The President has been the leader on this issue from day one and the Vice President never intended to distract from that."


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/biden-apologizes-to-obama-over-gay-marriage-flap/1#.T66mUlJSTgp

If this is such a "bold" move or "evolution" by Obama (regarding his support of gay "marriage"), why is Biden APOLOGIZING to him and having private meetings?

Short answer: Biden got his @$$ chewed out, for blowing Obama's plan to bits.

Yep. This whole "thing" was probably going to be dropped around convention time.....oops!

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2012, 05:51:20 PM »
Yep. This whole "thing" was probably going to be dropped around convention time.....oops!

23% of the independents and 10% of Democrats (according to Gallup) said that they're less likely to vote for Obama, because of his "evolution". If these pan out in certain swing states, OBAMA IS DONE!!!

The fact that the Democrats want to play on the social issue field, the ONE PLACE social conservatives are dying to go, is beyond absurd.

Obama has just done half of Romney's job: Firing up the social conservative base.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2012, 06:02:43 PM »
23% of the independents and 10% of Democrats (according to Gallup) said that they're less likely to vote for Obama, because of his "evolution". If these pan out in certain swing states, OBAMA IS DONE!!!

The fact that the Democrats want to play on the social issue field, the ONE PLACE social conservatives are dying to go, is beyond absurd.

Obama has just done half of Romney's job: Firing up the social conservative base.


What pisses me off more and more is that the economy is going into an even worse hole , and I feel it in my business and so do most I know, and Obama wants to focus on birth control. And abortion? 


Oh go F yourself Obama!!!! 

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2012, 06:11:53 PM »

What pisses me off more and more is that the economy is going into an even worse hole , and I feel it in my business and so do most I know, and Obama wants to focus on birth control. And abortion? 


Oh go F yourself Obama!!!! 
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2012, 05:37:06 AM »
African-American Church Leaders Pose Strong Opposition To Gay Marriage

May 13, 2012 11:19 PM



 
BALTIMORE (WJZ)– Just days after President Barack Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, pastors and priests around Maryland took to their own pulpits with their reaction– and in some cases– condemnation of the president.
 
Derek Valcourt explains the president’s comments have folks on both sides of the issue fired up.
 
Both sides hope the president’s position helps sway votes in their favor when the issue hits Maryland’s ballot this November.
 


“I think same-sex couples should be able to get married,” President Obama said.

When President Obama announced that his position on same-sex marriage had evolved, it outraged some African-American pastors like Pastor and Del. Emmett Burns.
 
“He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts’,” Burns said.

He’s so opposed to same-sex marriage, he told church members he will no longer support the president and now predicts Obama will lose the election because of it.
 
He and many other leaders are pouring their energies into gathering the signatures needed to put Maryland’s same-sex marriage law on the November ballot.
 
“I think it might be a call to action for people to really express what they believe,” Father Erik Arnold of Our Lady of Perpetual Help said.



In Maryland, some of the strongest opposition to the law has come from the black community– about 30 percent of the population. Some African-American religious leaders are preaching about it
 
“God said in every home, there needs to be a representation of his glory through manhood and femininity,” Pastor Harry Jackson, Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, said.

“To me, this is an issue of the separation of church and state,” Pastor Delman Coates, Enon Baptist Church in Clinton, said.

Pastor Coates is one of the few black pastors who supports the current law.

“We should not allow our subjective theological understandings prevent other citizens of this country from having equal rights,” he said.

So far, voters in 30 states have rejected same-sex marriage

But equality advocates in Maryland believe the president’s comments are a sign of the changing tide.
 
“The momentum is shifting. I think things are definitely shifting in our direction here,” Ezekiel Jackson of Marylanders for Marriage Equality said.

Many African-American pastors say they will still support the president in November even though they may not agree with him on this particular issue.

The president’s announcement that he supports same-sex marriage came just one day after voters in North Carolina banned same-sex unions.



http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/13/same-sex-marriage-supporters-opponents-gear-up-for-november-ballot


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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2012, 05:40:29 AM »
What a fng liar 

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After Obama’s Decision on Marriage, a Call to Pastors
 
By PETER BAKER and RACHEL L. SWARNS

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WASHINGTON — About two hours after declaring his support for same-sex marriage last week, President Obama gathered eight or so African-American ministers on a conference call to explain himself. He had struggled with the decision, he said, but had come to believe it was the right one.

The ministers, though, were not all as enthusiastic. A vocal few made it clear that the president’s stand on gay marriage might make it difficult for them to support his re-election.

“They were wrestling with their ability to get over his theological position,” said the Rev. Delman Coates, the pastor of Mt. Ennon Baptist Church in Clinton, Md., who was on the call.

In the end, Mr. Coates, who supports civil marriages for gay men and lesbians, said that most of the pastors, regardless of their views on this issue, agreed to “work aggressively” on behalf of the president’s campaign. But not everyone. “Gay marriage is contrary to their understanding of Scripture,” Mr. Coates said. “There are people who are really wrestling with this.”

In the hours following Mr. Obama’s politically charged announcement on Wednesday, the president and his team embarked on a quiet campaign to contain the possible damage among religious leaders and voters. He also reached out to one or more of the five spiritual leaders he calls regularly for religious guidance, and his aides contacted other religious figures who have been supportive in the past.

The damage-control effort underscored the anxiety among Mr. Obama’s advisers about the consequences of the president’s revised position just months before what is expected to be a tight re-election vote. While hailed by liberals and gay-rights leaders for making a historic breakthrough, Mr. Obama recognized that much of the country is uncomfortable with or opposed to same-sex marriage, including many in his own political coalition.

The issue of religious freedom has become a delicate one for Mr. Obama, especially after the recent furor over an administration mandate that religiously affiliated organizations offer health insurance covering contraceptives. After complaints from Catholic leaders that the mandate undercut their faith, Mr. Obama offered a compromise that would maintain coverage for contraception while not requiring religious organizations to pay for it, but critics remained dissatisfied.

In taking on same-sex marriage, Mr. Obama made a point of couching his views in religious terms. “We’re both practicing Christians,” the president said of his wife and himself in the ABC News interview in which he discussed his new views. “And obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others.”

He added that what he thought about was “not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf but it’s also the golden rule, you know? Treat others the way you would want to be treated.”

After the interview, Mr. Obama hit the phones. Among those he called was one of the religious leaders he considers a touchstone, the Rev. Joel C. Hunter, the pastor of a conservative megachurch in Florida.

“Some of the faith communities are going to be afraid that this is an attack against religious liberty,” Mr. Hunter remembered telling the president.

“Absolutely not,” Mr. Obama insisted. “That’s not where we’re going, and that’s not what I want.”

Even some of Mr. Obama’s friends in the religious community warned that he risked alienating followers, particularly African-Americans who have been more skeptical of the idea than other Democratic constituencies.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, another religious adviser to Mr. Obama and the president and chief executive of Sojourners, a left-leaning evangelical organization, said that he had fielded calls since the announcement from pastors across the country, including African-American and Hispanic ministers. Religious leaders, he said, are deeply divided, with some seeing it as the government forcing clergy to accept a definition of marriage that they consider anathema to their teachings.

Mr. Wallis said that it was clear to him that the president’s decision was a matter of personal conscience, not public policy. But he said that some religious leaders wanted to hear Mr. Obama say that explicitly. “We hope the president will reach out to people who disagree with him on this,” Mr. Wallis said. “The more conservative churches need to know, need to be reassured that their religious liberty is going to be respected here.”

Mr. Obama has reached out to Mr. Wallis, Mr. Hunter and three other ministers for telephone prayer sessions and discussions about the intersection of religion and public policy.

Mr. Wallis would not say whether he heard from Mr. Obama as Mr. Hunter did. The Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, another of the five and the senior pastor of Windsor Village United Methodist Church in Houston, said he did not. “He doesn’t need to talk with me about that,” Mr. Caldwell said.

The other two pastors, Bishop T. D. Jakes, a nationally known preaching powerhouse who fills stadiums and draws 30,000 worshipers to his church in Dallas, and the Rev. Otis Moss Jr., did not respond to messages Friday.

Mr. Obama began reaching out within hours of his announcement on Wednesday. At 4:30 p.m., he convened the African-American ministers on the call.

“It was very clear to me that he had arrived at this conclusion after much reflection, introspection and dialogue with family and staff and close friends,” said Mr. Coates, who remains confident that the undecided pastors on the call will ultimately back the president in November. “There are more public policy issues that we agree upon than this issue of private morality in which there’s some difference.”

That is a calculation the White House is counting on. The president’s strategists hope that any loss of support among black and independent moderates will be more than made up by proponents of gay marriage. But Mr. Obama’s aides declined to comment and opted not to send anyone to the Sunday talk shows for fear of elevating it further.

Religious conservative leaders said the president’s decision changed the calculus of the election. “I think the president this past week took six or seven states he carried in 2008 and put them in play with this one ill-conceived position that he’s taken,” Gary Bauer, the former presidential candidate, said on the CNN program “State of the Union.” On the same program, Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said, “I’ve gotten calls from pastors across the nation, white and black pastors, who have said, ‘You know what? I’m not sitting on the sidelines anymore.’ ”

Establishment Republicans, though, were eager to shift the subject. “For those people that this is their issue, they have a clear choice,” Reince Preibus, the party chairman, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “But I happen to believe that, at the end of the day, however, this election is still going to be about the economy.”

Mr. Obama’s efforts to mollify religious leaders came after a tumultuous week as he lagged behind Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in advocating same-sex marriage. A senior administration official who asked not to be named said the White House contacted religious and Congressional leaders and Democratic candidates only after the president’s announcement.

Among those contacted was Cameron Strang, editor of Relevant magazine and a young evangelical leader, but he was on vacation. By contrast, the office of Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan, the Catholic archbishop of New York, said he had not heard from the president after publicly calling his decision “deeply saddening.”

Mr. Hunter’s cellphone buzzed shortly after the Wednesday interview. “I’m not at all surprised he didn’t call me before because I would have tried to talk him out of it,” Mr. Hunter said.

“My interpretation of Scriptures, I can’t arrive at the same conclusion,” he said. “He totally understood that. One of the reasons he called was to make sure our relationship would be fine, and of course it would be.”