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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2012, 06:02:50 AM »
This is why the nation is in the toilet. Because people vote against their conscience and vote against the facts that show Obama is a terrible president.

"Many African-American pastors say they will still support the president in November even though they may not agree with him on this particular issue."


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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2012, 06:06:21 AM »
This is why the nation is in the toilet. Because people vote against their conscience and vote against the facts that show Obama is a terrible president.

"Many African-American pastors say they will still support the president in November even though they may not agree with him on this particular issue."



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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2012, 06:53:55 AM »
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2012, 06:55:05 AM »
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Shame on these idiots! 

I mean these are PASTORS. They are supposed to know scripture and what it CLEARLY states about homosexuality. That Rev. Coates is a joke. He supports this type of "marriage" and states that the other pastors are having a problem because it is against "their understanding of scripture".  There is no "their understanding". Scripture does not allow for any other interpretation on this particular subject.  The other pastors are "struggling" with this issue because the scriptures CLEARLY FORBID IT. It is Rev. Coates who clearly doesn't have a clue.

This is why a lot of people don't even go to church anymore. Because what's on the altars are people who don't have any principle, who don't really believe what they preach and who look for any way to fill their pockets by using any method to increase their church membership.  

So much for obeying God before men.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2012, 07:18:06 AM »
I mean these are PASTORS. They are supposed to know scripture and what it CLEARLY states about homosexuality. That Rev. Coates is a joke. He supports this type of "marriage" and states that the other pastors are having a problem because it is against "their understanding of scripture".  There is no "their understanding". Scripture does not allow for any other interpretation on this particular subject.  The other pastors are "struggling" with this issue because the scriptures CLEARLY FORBID IT. It is Rev. Coates who clearly doesn't have a clue.

This is why a lot of people don't even go to church anymore. Because what's on the altars are people who don't have any principle, who don't really believe what they preach and who look for any way to fill their pockets by using any method to increase their church membership.  

So much for obeying God before men.
How should they interpret slave-beating?


Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]."
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2012, 08:34:32 AM »
How should they interpret slave-beating?


Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]."

See what I mean.

So being a fag is like being a slave? Nevermind that the judicial as well as the sacrificial/ceremonial aspect of the Mosaic Law have been annulled by Jesus' sacrifice as stated by the apostle Paul in Romans 1-8 and Hebrews 8-10. The moral law is still, however, intact. Which means moral sins are still moral sins under the current dispensation of grace and that still includes homosexuality.

Now going back to ancient times of Moses, servitude was still a reality of life and part of that culture.  Mosaic law wasn't going to change those attitudes, just like it didn't change their views towards divorce. Strangely enough you leave out the verses that made it illegal to abuse slaves (Exodus 21:26,27), that many Hebrews willingly became servants of others in order to escape hunger and poverty (Lev. 25:39-43) and that the Mosaic Law allowed for their closest relative to pay a price to free them from the bondage of foreigners (Leviticus 25:47-49).

But, it's hilarious, how people who don't know anything about scriptures try to bring up the Mosaic Law when clearly Jesus created a new pact that replaced that law. But, in that new pact, homosexuality is still a sin. Period.   Romans 1:26,27    I Corinthians 6:9,10

I am not going to get into a theological discussion with people whose only concept of scripture is "what would Jesus do" and what their liberal leaders tells them to think.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2012, 09:43:02 AM »
Gay "marriage" advocates love citing polls about the majority of people supporting this mess.

Then again, the 2008 Detroit Lions were undefeated during the pre-season.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2012, 08:07:57 PM »
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Obama Announces Plans to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act
Gawker | Monday, May 14, 2012 | Louis Peitzman
Posted on May 14, 2012 9:18:28 PM EDT by kristinn

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You spoke too soon, Rand Paul. It sounds like the President's views on marriage just got even gayer.

Somewhat buried in CNN's story on Barack Obama's fundraiser in New York is this little tidbit about his administration's plans for marriage equality—

He also outlined goals he hopes to accomplish under a second term, including the repeal of the Defense Of Marriage Act, which the administration has already stopped defending.

This is the first time Obama has said that he wil actively work to repeal the law.

At the fundraiser, hosted by openly gay pop star Ricky Martin, Obama called same-sex marriage the "right thing to do." He also said that contrary to what many rightwing pundits have alleged, marriage equality will help families.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2012, 08:34:55 PM »
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Obama Announces Plans to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act
Gawker | Monday, May 14, 2012 | Louis Peitzman
Posted on May 14, 2012 9:18:28 PM EDT by kristinn

Source link. Click at your own risk.

You spoke too soon, Rand Paul. It sounds like the President's views on marriage just got even gayer.

Somewhat buried in CNN's story on Barack Obama's fundraiser in New York is this little tidbit about his administration's plans for marriage equality—

He also outlined goals he hopes to accomplish under a second term, including the repeal of the Defense Of Marriage Act, which the administration has already stopped defending.

This is the first time Obama has said that he wil actively work to repeal the law.

At the fundraiser, hosted by openly gay pop star Ricky Martin, Obama called same-sex marriage the "right thing to do." He also said that contrary to what many rightwing pundits have alleged, marriage equality will help families.


There goes another swing state.

Obama, groveling before the gays....you just have to love it. Four years ago, they're were riding his sack. Now, he's doing a Lewinsky on them to keep his job.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #84 on: May 16, 2012, 04:37:35 AM »
See what I mean.

So being a fag is like being a slave? Nevermind that the judicial as well as the sacrificial/ceremonial aspect of the Mosaic Law have been annulled by Jesus' sacrifice as stated by the apostle Paul in Romans 1-8 and Hebrews 8-10. The moral law is still, however, intact. Which means moral sins are still moral sins under the current dispensation of grace and that still includes homosexuality.

Now going back to ancient times of Moses, servitude was still a reality of life and part of that culture.  Mosaic law wasn't going to change those attitudes, just like it didn't change their views towards divorce. Strangely enough you leave out the verses that made it illegal to abuse slaves (Exodus 21:26,27), that many Hebrews willingly became servants of others in order to escape hunger and poverty (Lev. 25:39-43) and that the Mosaic Law allowed for their closest relative to pay a price to free them from the bondage of foreigners (Leviticus 25:47-49).

But, it's hilarious, how people who don't know anything about scriptures try to bring up the Mosaic Law when clearly Jesus created a new pact that replaced that law. But, in that new pact, homosexuality is still a sin. Period.   Romans 1:26,27    I Corinthians 6:9,10

I am not going to get into a theological discussion with people whose only concept of scripture is "what would Jesus do" and what their liberal leaders tells them to think.
Stopped reading here. You're a bigot and not worth arguing with.

Were your parents bigots too?

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #85 on: May 16, 2012, 05:06:09 AM »
Stopped reading here. You're a bigot and not worth arguing with.

Were your parents bigots too?





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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2012, 06:41:16 AM »
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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #87 on: May 16, 2012, 07:16:46 AM »
Obama’s Gay-Marriage Gift to Romney? (Could O's position split minorities, rally conservatives?)
 National Review ^ | 05/16/2012 | Katrina Trinko


Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2012


No doubt Barack Obama did not intend to do Mitt Romney a favor when he announced his support for same-sex marriage last week.

But for Romney, the announcement provided a critical opportunity, both to energize the social conservatives in his base and to drive a wedge between Obama and certain key demographics. “There is a greater opening now [for Romney] with Hispanic voters and African Americans,” a GOP strategist says.

Some African-American pastors have indicated that they are concerned about the decision. Obama held a conference call with a group of top black religious leaders almost immediately after announcing his support for gay marriage, according to the New York Times, which reported that a “vocal few made it clear that the president’s stand on gay marriage might make it difficult for them to support his re-election.”

It’s not clear to what extent the president’s stance may erode his support among minority voters. Ralph Reed, founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, expects that they will continue to favor Obama. “But 70 percent of African-American voters voted for traditional marriage in California, and it seems to me this issue is an unnecessary cross-pressure on his support among blacks and Latinos,” he adds.

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, dismisses the idea that black voters will turn to Romney and doubts that Catholics who don’t regularly attend mass will be swayed. He does, however, see a chance for Romney to perhaps knock Obama’s lead among Hispanics down by a few points. Hispanics, he observes, have been a group unusually loyal to Obama. “It’s the one portion of the electorate that Obama is doing better with than he did four years ago,” Sabato remarks, speculating that Romney’s views on immigration have won him few friends among Hispanic voters. But if the Romney campaign emphasizes Obama’s support for same-sex marriage, “this could be a way to bring some of them back.” For Romney, picking up even a small percentage of minority voters — or benefiting from minority voters’ being too discouraged by Obama’s positions to bother voting for him — would be a valuable help in what looks likely to be a close race.

The issue is also giving him a crucial boost among social conservatives, energizing them not just to vote for Romney, but also to consider donating to and volunteering for his campaign. As Family Research Council president Tony Perkins observed on Face the Nation on Sunday, Obama’s pro-same-sex-marriage position could unleash “that missing piece of intensity that Mitt Romney is going to need.”

In his commencement speech at evangelical Liberty University on Saturday, Romney stated his opposition to gay marriage. “Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman,” he said, winning cheers from the conservative crowd. His speech also won an enthusiastic response from prominent social conservative Gary Bauer, who issued a statement calling it a “grand slam,” citing, among other things, Romney’s “compassionate defense of marriage between a man and a woman.”

Sabato sees other potential benefits, besides renewed enthusiasm, for Romney in his newfound status with social conservatives. “It probably gives him a little more flexibility, even with the ticket,” he observes.

And the issue isn’t likely to disappear. “It’s going to come up throughout the campaign. Both the president and the governor will be asked about it,” one Republican strategist predicts.

It’s an issue that will further define Obama as a candidate out of sync with many religious voters. Reed notes that support for same-sex marriage is just the latest in a series of decisions Obama has made that have rankled conservative religious voters, including his decisions to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act and to force religious employers to offer health-insurance plans covering contraceptives.

“I expect a large turnout of conservative voters of faith,” Reed remarks. “Obama has given Mitt Romney an unanticipated gift.”

— Katrina Trinko is an NRO reporter.


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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2012, 07:55:41 AM »
See what I mean.

So being a fag is like being a slave? Nevermind that the judicial as well as the sacrificial/ceremonial aspect of the Mosaic Law have been annulled by Jesus' sacrifice as stated by the apostle Paul in Romans 1-8 and Hebrews 8-10. The moral law is still, however, intact. Which means moral sins are still moral sins under the current dispensation of grace and that still includes homosexuality.

Now going back to ancient times of Moses, servitude was still a reality of life and part of that culture.  Mosaic law wasn't going to change those attitudes, just like it didn't change their views towards divorce. Strangely enough you leave out the verses that made it illegal to abuse slaves (Exodus 21:26,27), that many Hebrews willingly became servants of others in order to escape hunger and poverty (Lev. 25:39-43) and that the Mosaic Law allowed for their closest relative to pay a price to free them from the bondage of foreigners (Leviticus 25:47-49).

But, it's hilarious, how people who don't know anything about scriptures try to bring up the Mosaic Law when clearly Jesus created a new pact that replaced that law. But, in that new pact, homosexuality is still a sin. Period.   Romans 1:26,27    I Corinthians 6:9,10

I am not going to get into a theological discussion with people whose only concept of scripture is "what would Jesus do" and what their liberal leaders tells them to think.

Living his life according to scripteres written by people even less informed than yourself. Evolution going backward sad really sad :-\

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #89 on: May 16, 2012, 08:07:09 AM »
Living his life according to scripteres written by people even less informed than yourself. Evolution going backward sad really sad :-\

Obama doesn't believe in evolution either, since he states he is a Christian and believes the Bible tells him to distribute other people's money and love homo sin. Why is this not computing in your little brain, fool?   Should I draw you little pictures?

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2012, 08:13:55 AM »
Obama doesn't believe in evolution either, since he states he is a Christian and believes the Bible tells him to distribute other people's money and love homo sin. Why is this not computing in your little brain, fool?   Should I draw you little pictures?

Well then you and Obama are idiots, both of you.

I would draw you a picture but since you still believe in fairy tales im not sure how much effort is worth spending on you

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2012, 08:17:41 AM »
Yup. You are special alright.

Time to draw you those little pictures, Sparky. ;D

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2012, 08:37:11 AM »
Poll: 51% agree with Obama's endorsement of gay marriage

 By Aamer Madhani and Jim Norman, USA TODAY

More than half of Americans say they approve of President Obama's stance that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry legally, but 60% say that his shift in position will have no bearing on how they vote in the November election, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup poll ...
 
The poll was based on telephone interviews conducted on Thursday with a random sample of 1,013 adults living in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.
 

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2012, 09:42:17 AM »
Poll: 51% agree with Obama's endorsement of gay marriage

 By Aamer Madhani and Jim Norman, USA TODAY

More than half of Americans say they approve of President Obama's stance that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry legally, but 60% say that his shift in position will have no bearing on how they vote in the November election, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup poll ...
 
The poll was based on telephone interviews conducted on Thursday with a random sample of 1,013 adults living in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.
 

0-32....ENOUGH SAID!!!

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2012, 12:24:29 PM »
Agree.  The public doesn't want it.  At least not yet. 

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« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2012, 12:28:56 PM »
Agree.  The public doesn't want it.  At least not yet. 

Its not that the public does want it so much as we are on the edge of a cliff, the economy is a disaster, and obama is out there on gay marriag, condoms, fluke, The View, partying all day, etc?



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« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2012, 12:37:38 PM »
Its not that the public does want it so much as we are on the edge of a cliff, the economy is a disaster, and obama is out there on gay marriag, condoms, fluke, The View, partying all day, etc?



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As McWay pointed out, 0-32 is an overwhelming repudiation of homosexual marriage by the majority of the country. 

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2012, 12:58:01 PM »
IMO, most of the people who WANT gay marriage are going to get behind obama 100% because of what he said.

IMO, anyone who is outright pissed obama backs it is already a bible thumpin' anti-obama voter.

IMO, most people just don't give a crap about this issue to let it affect their vote.  it's a wedge issue that affects maybe 1% of people.  But it sure did keep the shitty jobs numbers and forged UE rate out of the news for a week.

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Re: Obama backs gay marriage
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2012, 01:07:58 PM »
Agree.  The public doesn't want it.  At least not yet.  
The Public also did not want to get rid of slavery or segregation.  Keep that in mind.

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« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2012, 01:10:26 PM »
IMO, most of the people who WANT gay marriage are going to get behind obama 100% because of what he said.

IMO, anyone who is outright pissed obama backs it is already a bible thumpin' anti-obama voter.

IMO, most people just don't give a crap about this issue to let it affect their vote.  it's a wedge issue that affects maybe 1% of people.  But it sure did keep the shitty jobs numbers and forged UE rate out of the news for a week.

We've said that repeatedly for the last two day, citing two polls from NYT and Gallup, respectively, that 57% and 60% of people questioned said that Obama's so-called evolution will have NO EFFECT on how they vote.

HOWEVER, in both polls, 26% said they're less likely to vote for Obama, because of this.

The economic problems are still there and, as I've told you multiple times, Obama CANNOT avoid them. The lousy unemployment numbers have been there for over THREE YEARS. Do you really think a week is going to make people forget about that? Those two polls I cited clearly suggest the opposite.

333386 and others here have been talking about this for MONTHS. Yet, it's the members of TK (including YOU), who like to dredge up all other manner of foolishness, to detract from Obama's futility.

So, you'll have to excuse some of us, if we ain't buying all this anger of yours about the UE numbers and the economy being ignored.