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1.9 Million Fewer Americans Have Jobs Today Than When Obama Signed Stimulus
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
By Matt Cover
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/after-28-months-stimulus-spending-19-mil
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In this Nov. 4, 2010 photo, a sign turning away potential job-seekers is seen outside of a construction site in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
(CNSNews.com) – Twenty-eight months after Congress passed President Obama’s signature economic stimulus law, and nearly one year after he declared the summer of 2010 to be “Recovery Summer,” 1.9 million fewer people are employed.
In February 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that 141.7 million people were employed. By the end of May 2011 – the last month for which data are available – that number had fallen to 139.8 million, a difference of 1.9 million.
While the number of people with jobs has increased slightly from its low point during the recession – 137.9 million in December 2009 – those 1.9 million jobs have been lost despite $800 billion in stimulus spending.
This does not mean that the economy is not creating jobs, but rather that it is not creating jobs fast enough to keep up with a combination of layoffs and people entering the job market for the first time.
In a Washington Post op-ed, former White House chief economist Larry Summers noted that the percentage of the population that has a job has not improved, even though the economy is technically in recovery.
“From the first quarter of 2006 to the first quarter of 2011, the U.S. economy’s growth rate averaged less than 1 percent a year,” Summers wrote. “The fraction of the population working remains almost exactly at its recession trough, and recent reports suggest that growth is slowing.”
White House chief economic advisor Larry Summers. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)
The fraction of the population with a job has in fact fallen in the 28 months since Congress passed the stimulus – down from 60.3 percent in February 2009 to 58.4 percent in May 2011.
The economy cannot create jobs fast enough to keep pace with layoffs and recent high school and college graduates seeking employment. If the trend continues, as Summers notes may happen, the economy will suffer further in the future as college graduates delay entry into the labor force, reducing their lifetime productivity.
“Beyond the lack of jobs and incomes, an economy producing below its potential for a prolonged interval sacrifices its future,” argued Summers. “Huge numbers of new college graduates are moving back in with their parents this month because they have no job or means of support.”
As both Summers and the BLS data make clear, the economy is not creating new jobs fast enough to make up for layoffs and new graduates, calling into question Obama’s oft-repeated claim that the economy is recovering and creating jobs.
In fact, by citing figures from the first quarter of 2006, Summers is understating the economy’s poor performance. According to BLS data, the number of people with jobs peaked at 146.6 million in November 2007, meaning that over the entire recession – which officially began in December 2007 – the number of people employed has fallen by 6.8 million.
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Total Failure of leftist bullshit.
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Would be worse without the stim bill. Simple as that.
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Would be worse without the stim bill. Simple as that.
Whatever you say, Mr. Krugman.
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Would be worse without the stim bill. Simple as that.
Yep that's the argument. The question is how much was really needed?
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Would be worse without the stim bill. Simple as that.
Yeah ok. Keep telling youself that. FAIL
Can't wait till you and your marxist brothers are all crying in your puke and piss next year when obama is sent back to kenya.
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333 - has admitted many times that his "plan" of doing nothing would have made unemployment much worse than it is now
more importantly - why even bother trying to having rational discussion with someone who admits this:
I'm a street guy. I know a lot, but what goes on west of the Hudson river is a fog to me.
I do have to at least give 333 credit for being honest about his vast limitations
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Did Cain support the stimulus bill? Or was that just TARP he liked?
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Yep that's the argument. The question is how much was really needed?
None at all!
The Stim Bill was the problem, not the solution!
I warned every oe of the liberal economically illiterate fools n this board what would occur and guess who was right?
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333 - has admitted many times that his "plan" of doing nothing would have made unemployment much worse than it is now
more importantly - why even bother trying to having rational discussion with someone who admits this:
I do have to at least give 333 credit for being honest about his vast limitations
Ha ha ha ha - 2 Million less jobs asshole!
4 more years! of unemployment, inflation, joblessness, debt, food stamps, welfare, etc.
FAIL
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Did Cain support the stimulus bill? Or was that just TARP he liked?
That was Huntsman.
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None at all!
The Stim Bill was the problem, not the solution!
I warned every oe of the liberal economically illiterate fools n this board what would occur and guess who was right?
Did you ever address in detail what would happen without it.
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Did Cain support the stimulus bill? Or was that just TARP he liked?
YOU SUPPORTED THE STIM BILL!
You and I argued from Day 1 about that disaster and only after 20 months were you forced to admit you were dead wrong on that. you want me to bump those old threads owning very fool on this board on the Stim Bill?
I owned every left wing idiot on this board on the Stim Bill and the results speak for themselves.
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Trillions of dollars spent since the messiah took office and millions of jobs lost. Only the dumbest of retards could defend this....hi, kc and straw!!!
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YOU SUPPORTED THE STIM BILL!
You and I argued from Day 1 about that disaster and only after 20 months were you forced to admit you were dead wrong on that. you want me to bump those old threads owning very fool on this board on the Stim Bill?
I owned every left wing idiot on this board on the Stim Bill and the results speak for themselves.
I admitted it was a failure.
Only a douchebag would feel the need to rub a man's nose in his mistaken prediction after he admits he wa wrong.
Are you a douchebag, 333386? Do you do that in real life? When your friends apologize, do you bring up their mistakes 17,000 times? People don't like dudes like that.
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Did you ever address in detail what would happen without it.
Yes, I said we would have a worse, but shorter recession, but get rid of the mal investments and have a real foundation to grow on, not the phoney left wing crap that was passed than only made things worse and delayed the inevitable but added mountains of debt to boot.
Results don't lie, I was right those who support this mess were dead wrong, as usual.
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Trillions of dollars spent since the messiah took office and millions of jobs lost. Only the dumbest of retards could defend this....hi, kc and straw!!!
Trillions ?
Defend what?
I said the Stim Bill was not big enough (remember - you love reminding me about this) and contained too much bullshit
then again, we could have done the "do nothing" plan and had even greater unemployment, lower tax revenue, more problems for the states, etc...
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Yes, I said we would have a worse, but shorter recession, but get rid of the mal investments and have a real foundation to grow on, not the phoney left wing crap that was passed than only made things worse and delayed the inevitable but added mountains of debt to boot.
Results don't lie, I was right those who support this mess were dead wrong, as usual.
Why shorter?
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I admitted it was a failure.
Only a douchebag would feel the need to rub a man's nose in his mistaken prediction after he admits he wa wrong.
Are you a douchebag, 333386? Do you do that in real life? When your friends apologize, do you bring up their mistakes 17,000 times? People don't like dudes like that.
Woe is me, woe is me. Shut the fuck up. The left needs to be held to account for what they did to this country just like the right was held to account in 2008.
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Why shorter?
He has no idea what he is talking about.
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He has no idea what he is talking about.
No of course not moron. I only called this thing a disaster from Day 1 and have been proven 1000000000000000% correct on it.
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Why would it have been shorter?
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right...because the time span from Depression to fully in the black with money to burn is usually like 2 years, give or take.. ::)
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right...because the time span from Depression to fully in the black with money to burn is usually like 2 years, give or take.. ::)
Well, Obama said it was needed to keep UE under 8%. So eiher he lied or was woefully uninformed about the situation he claimed he needed to be elected to fix.
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why would it have been shorter?
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why would it have been shorter?
Because it would have cleared out the mal investments and purged the system of the bad debt. Instead we spent trillions to prop up a unsustainable situation and destroyed the dollar and our finances in the meantime. we also created a massive amount of inflation that has hurt businesses and consumers and now not only have the horrible economy, but also have inflation and the bad investments of the banks we are on the hook for.
We did exactly the opposite of what was needed, I said so at the time, and now have been proven correct in almost all respects.
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None at all!
The Stim Bill was the problem, not the solution!
I warned every oe of the liberal economically illiterate fools n this board what would occur and guess who was right?
So what would you have done???
See, the main thing that's going to get everyone running against Obama is simply the fact that while everyone is criticizing every decision he's making, there has been so suggestions as to what they would do.
I was laid off in 2007 from Alltel and I have to rely on my business solely for income. These issues were coming, gas was already over 4.00 dollars, food prices were going sky high, and there was still a deficit.
Fact is its going to get a lot worse before it gets better regardless as to who is in office and its going to be that way for another decade at least. It took 8 years of bad spending and its not going to be resolved in 2 years
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::) ::) ::) ::)
Will you obama cult followers actually wake the fuck up and realize the reality of the situation and learn from those proven right time and time and time and time and time and time again?
Probably not - most leftists like yourself are beyond help.
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Because it would have cleared out the mal investments and purged the system of the bad debt. Instead we spent trillions to prop up a unsustainable situation and destroyed the dollar and our finances in the meantime. we also created a massive amount of inflation that has hurt businesses and consumers and now not only have the horrible economy, but also have inflation and the bad investments of the banks we are on the hook for.
We did exactly the opposite of what was needed, I said so at the time, and now have been proven correct in almost all respects.
No, you haven't been proven correct in your solution, only in that the stimulus wouldn't work.
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No, you haven't been proven correct in your solution, only in that the stimulus wouldn't work.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Freaking priceless.
Go look at previous recessions and the turn around time vs this one. This is the worst economic performance on record. Watch my clips above and educate yourself for Gods' sake.
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How hard is this for you leftists to grasp?
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Ryan dead on again.
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Yeah, lets instead listen to Obama who blames UE on too many ATM machines. ::) ::) ::)
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Since Ron Paul & Schiff are too advanced for 99% of your liberal morons, maybe this will help you:
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Freaking priceless.
Go look at previous recessions and the turn around time vs this one. This is the worst economic performance on record. Watch my clips above and educate yourself for Gods' sake.
Where they (recessions) the same?
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Trillions of dollars spent since the messiah took office and millions of jobs lost. Only the dumbest of retards could defend this....hi, kc and straw!!!
That people can argue on behalf of these two essential facts is mind numbing.
Spending TRILLIONS of dollars to lose MILLIONS of jobs is just plain indefensible.
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Oh they will defend it alright.
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Well, Obama said it was needed to keep UE under 8%. So eiher he lied or was woefully uninformed about the situation he claimed he needed to be elected to fix.
lol.. you are funny
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Yeah - its a real hoot that we wasted a trillion dollars and lost 2 million net jobs and have obama and immelt laughing about it.
Real funny bro. I'm sure the 2 million jobs obama helped destroy are really rolling the floor about it.
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After you claimed all the stim bill money was gone and had been spent, I asked for a link to where the amount of the stim bill that has been spent occurred.
You never provided it in the other thread. I would have thought this would be right up your alley.
Just a link to a fact based site will do.
I am not watching bullshit youtube spam.
I am not reading bullshit spam threads on GB where it is "discussed" ::)
I am not wasting a second on any other graph, photoshop picture or bullshit article with a skewed biased view point.
Just provide a link that shows the amount of the stim bill, the amount that each state got, the amount that each state has left.
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Yeah - its a real hoot that we wasted a trillion dollars and lost 2 million net jobs and have obama and immelt laughing about it.
Real funny bro. I'm sure the 2 million jobs obama helped destroy are really rolling the floor about it.
not "its" funny.. You.. yes YOU are funny
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Obama said the stim bill was required to keep UE under 8%. UE is currently at 9.1%. Nothing more needs to be said.
It is, was and will always be a FAILURE.
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I still do not see a link to the break down of the stim bill funds and where each state has spent all of what was given to them.
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I still do not see a link to the break down of the stim bill funds and where each state has spent all of what was given to them.
Www.recovery.gov.
Knock yourself out. Biden created the site.
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I also don't see a real good explanation of why doing nothing would have made it better by now.
Of course we could all just sit and watch stupid slanted youtube clips all day long or read slanted op ed pieces. ::) Or better yet get attacked or stereotyped by tools.
I admit, i don't know either way. I am not an economist, accountant, blah blah balh. However the conservative approach makes more sense in principle.
Please, someone feel free to explain in layman's terms using good links or facts. Why or why not with the stim.
I do agree, some of it was wasted and probably over-stimmed.
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I already did. Schiff was right from 2002 to the present date. Same with Ron Paul. Why don't you accept their commentary when they were right well before the msm realized there was a problem?
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I also don't see a real good explanation of why doing nothing would have made it better by now.
Of course we could all just sit and watch stupid slanted youtube clips all day long or read slanted op ed pieces. ::) Or better yet get attacked or stereotyped by tools.
I admit, i don't know either way. I am not an economist, accountant, blah blah balh. However the conservative approach makes more sense in principle.
Please, someone feel free to explain in layman's terms using good links or facts. Why or why not with the stim.
I do agree, some of it was wasted and probably over-stimmed.
Do you understand the concept of artificial bubbles?
Ron Paul discussed artificial bubbles just last night with regards to housing.
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Ron Paul and schiff have been dead on from day one on this mess. It's hysterical that people are still making apologies and excuses for obama who did the opposite.
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I already did. Schiff was right from 2002 to the present date. Same with Ron Paul. Why don't you accept their commentary when they were right well before the msm realized there was a problem?
Probably because i haven't watched it. Tell me in your won words, using some fact links. If i ask questions or give counter arguments don't into a knee-padding meltdown mode. ok? :)
BTW, got the book.
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Probably because i haven't watched it. Tell me in your won words, using some fact links. If i ask questions or give counter arguments don't into a knee-padding meltdown mode. ok? :)
BTW, got the book.
It's in this thread. Trust me. 30 minutes of Ron Paul and schiff is better than a lifetime of msm crappola.
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Unfortunately the same people that got us into this mess are trying to get us out of it. And that won't work because they are morons.
Chinese politicians are engineers, scientists, physicists and architects. Our politicians are lawyers. That's part of the problem. All the politicians need to resign - they are major failures on every front. The only politician worth keeping is Ron Paul.
Sadly, this won't happen, and USA is going to spiral down the toilet.
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Www.recovery.gov.
Knock yourself out. Biden created the site.
That did not answer the question I asked.
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Lmao - that's the freaking website that details everything.
What more do you want.
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I did not ask for everything. I asked a specific question. Obviously one you must not be able to answer.
Scroll up and you will see that question. You will see that I asked :
Just provide a link that shows the amount of the stim bill, the amount that each state got, the amount that each state has left.
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Politics
Stimulus Bill to Cost $75 Billion More Than Expected, CBO Says
Published January 26, 2010
FOXNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/26/stimulus-cost-billion-expected-cbo-says
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The $787 billion federal stimulus package that Congress passed last year has gotten even bigger -- now expected to cost $862 billion, over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
The nonpartisan CBO report, published Tuesday, attributes the $75 billion increase to added unemployment-related costs. More Americans are receiving unemployments benefits for lost jobs that the stimulus bill was meant to save, the report says.
About $21 billion of the added costs stem from higher unemployment compensation payments, while the remainder of the increase comes from food assistance payments and interest payments from states on taxable government bonds, the Washington Times reported.
In its report on the country's dire financial straights, the CBO also cites huge budget deficits, noting that the 2010 fiscal year budget is likely to reach $1.3 trillion.
Increased government spending has been the source of contentious debate between Republicans and Democrats -- amid two wars and the worst economic slump since the Great Depression.
Obama is expected to focus his State of the Union address Wednesday on job creation and announce a freeze on some discretionary spending programs.
Click here to read more from the Washington Times.
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Map of what states got out of this.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/compromise_map.html
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Map of what states got out of this.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/compromise_map.html
That is from 02/2009. There are not even any hard numbers on that. On vague percentages. And only 3 classes of the percentages of listed.
My question is still unanswered. Either you don't know the answer, don't want to answer it anyway, or simply do not understand English enough to comprehend what I am asking.
Just to be clear, I need something that lists the States. All 50 of them. Next to that a SOLID number. Like something that starts with.... oh I don't know... maybe a $ sign. Next to that it would be really really REALLLLLLLYYYYYY nice (if you wanted to answer my question) to show exactly how much of that $$$ that is listed, each state has left over.
As much as you whine about this, I would have thought you had it stored away on that hard drive somewhere. But it must just be 2T of Obama pictures instead.
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http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/MapGallery/Pages/maps.aspx
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The Stimulus bill took a problem that was fixable and made it 100x worse.
Trillions of dollars were wasted on essentially nothing.
Waste, fraud, corruption and the usual suspects of big government have been compounded to a point of no return.
Government jobs were saved in the short term, corrupt government forays into the private sector were kept afloat with monopoly money, unions came out on top and nobody else that was struggling received a dime. Do you all realize that many businesses that took stimulus dollars opened up factories in China and Mexico?
To argue otherwise requires mental gymnastics that only a schizophrenic could appreciate as logical.
You can't coherently justify a piece of legislation solely on the basis of making a quantum leap into "What if?" The stimulus has been an utter failure. We have less jobs than when the recession began; in fact we are in a deeper hole than when we started. Our credit rating is on the verge of being downgraded. Consumer confidence is at an all time low. Businesses are not hiring. What more evidence do you need than that?
In World history, it has been shown irrefutably, that government interventions like the Stimulus Bill have always had the opposite effect of its intent. That is to say, infusions of government money into the economy have ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS made things worse. Japan is the most recent example. This is not even a debatable point. It is a fact. For anyone using pie in the sky, what if scenarios, chew on that. Guess what? The same thing happened to America this time around.
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Unfortunately the same people that got us into this mess are trying to get us out of it. And that won't work because they are morons.
Chinese politicians are engineers, scientists, physicists and architects. Our politicians are lawyers. That's part of the problem. All the politicians need to resign - they are major failures on every front. The only politician worth keeping is Ron Paul.
Sadly, this won't happen, and USA is going to spiral down the toilet.
What I'm finding fascinating is how many people voice thier support of Paul yet he continues to get no love from the msm to this day.
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What I'm finding fascinating is how many people voice thier support of Paul yet he continues to get mo love from the msm to this day.
Here is the deal Bindare - they only like him when he was against the wars and trashing Bush. Now he serves no purpose for them. Get it?
When they actually hear his economic arguments, they flip out because its completely against their leftist Keynesian voodoo.
The clips I posted of RP and Schiff in this tread are so clear, concise, grounded in sound economics, yet, we still have morons not willing to concede the failure of this mess and what it wll take to fix the economy.
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Top Barack Obama donors net government job
More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found.
From Politico http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html
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Top Barack Obama donors net government job
More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found.
From Politico http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html
Did yo see my thread about Obama wooing fat cat bankers at WH Dinners now?
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Yeah, lets instead listen to Obama who blames UE on too many ATM machines. ::) ::) ::)
BUMP
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BUMP
Is that MSNBC idiot at the end of this video a comedian? He criticized Paul for blaming Greenspan and others for the current state but later on said that Obama was trying to move forward. Really? When did Obama stop blaming Bush and accepted the fact that he made the recession worse?
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Still unanswered. If you don't know then just say you don't know.
I want a very simple list. Like this :
AL - received $$$ spent $$$
AK - received $$$ spent $$$
AZ - received $$$ spent $$$
should be very simple, yet you have posted and linked to exactly the kind of thing I have said I don't care to see.
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Still unanswered. If you don't know then just say you don't know.
I want a very simple list. Like this :
AL - received $$$ spent $$$
AK - received $$$ spent $$$
AZ - received $$$ spent $$$
should be very simple, yet you have posted and linked to exactly the kind of thing I have said I don't care to see.
I gave you fucking linkdirectly to recovery.go breaking it down.
Whatever they got is already gone. They used it to meet payroll. Its almost all done, why do yu think now, two years later all the states and localities are having to lay people off?
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I gave you fucking linkdirectly to recovery.go breaking it down.
Whatever they got is already gone. They used it to meet payroll. Its almost all done, why do yu think now, two years later all the states and localities are having to lay people off?
No, what I asked specifically was NOT on the that site.
As I said before, FL has reported that only 42 CENTS out of every dollar they received from the stim bill has been spent. That means 58 cents of every dollar is still left.
I am asking you to prove your point that everything is gone. Now either you or the state of Florida is wrong.
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Who the hell cares where it is? It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know.
The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it.
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Who the hell cares where it is? It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know.
The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it.
Mature
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Who the hell cares where it is? It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know.
The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it.
Exactly.
The "president" and his administration claimed it would keep UE at or lower than 8%. It is still at 9.1% (we all know it is actually higher). Therefore, the stim bill is a failure. Period. NEXT!!!!
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The Economy Is Now Immune to Keynesian Crack
By Peter Schiff
Economic data over the past weeks, punctuated by recent dismal employment reports, confirm the diminishing impact of the stimulus efforts orchestrated by the Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve. In what must be a huge disappointment to Keynesian enthusiasts, the record doses of both monetary and fiscal narcotics did not produce the desired results.
In fact, the size and scope of the "recovery" of the past two years was weaker than would have been expected in a typical business cycle recovery without any stimulus whatsoever. Indeed our current recovery is the weakest on record, despite the biggest jolt of government stimulus ever administered.
But despite the gathering gloom Austan Goolsbee, outgoing Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors, argues that the economy is on the right track and that the recent salvo of horrific economic reports were not significant. The poor numbers, he said, resulted from external factors like the Japanese earthquake and the downgrade of European sovereign debt. I don't know if he really expects anyone to buy his story, but admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery.
In a sign that Mr. Goolsbee may have been getting increasingly uncomfortable with his job of economic propagandist, he, as alluded to earlier, has resigned. He will be returning to academia where I'm sure he is hoping to avoid blame for the coming economic train wreck.
Although I have made these comparisons before, the parallel between drug addiction and the reliance on economic stimulus is just too strong to ignore. And as with drug addiction, an economy builds up a tolerance. Each time the government successively stimulates with printed money or deficit spending, ever larger doses are needed to achieve the same result. Lest we forget, coming into the Crash of 2008, the economy had been on the receiving end of years of overstimulus. President Bush and Alan Greenspan never fully weaned the economy off their shock treatments that followed the dot.com crash and the horrors of September 11th.
This time around, the stimulus-fueled recovery is so mild that the economy is already relapsing into recession before the Fed has even begun to tighten. This puts Bernanke in a very difficult position. He either follows through on his loudly trumpeted plans to end quantitative easing this summer, or abandons those plans in favor of more stimulus. Both choices are unappealing.
Given the current economic weakness, will any additional deterioration that will surely result from a withdrawal of stimulus be politically viable? Real estate prices are already at new lows and unemployment refuses to diminish even with the punch bowl fully spiked. What would happen if it contained only cranberry juice?
To avoid these short-term consequences, the Fed can instead admit that the recovery cannot survive unaided. Bernanke would have to reverse his previously optimistic outlook, and launch QE3 even as QE2 barely pulls into port. But why would anyone believe that the "growth" that results from QE3 will be any more durable and robust than what resulted from QE1 and QE2?
Economists like the stimulus-loving Paul Krugman will surely argue that that the stimulus has been too small (like $5,000 in annual deficit spending per American is a trifling sum). But to believe that the next dose will do the trick borders on sheer insanity. When QE3 comes and goes (which I'm sure it will), the Fed will face the same choice that it faces today, yet with even greater consequences. It's a self-perpetuating cycle that ends in disaster.
Just like a Hollywood movie, each QE sequel gets progressively more ridiculous (my apologies to Johnny Depp). The government needs to admit its mistakes and write a completely different script. This time the story line must allow for a real restructuring. Real estate prices must fall further, and many financial institutions holding bad mortgages must fail. This means investors, creditors, and depositors will lose money.
Labor and capital must be re-allocated away from services into goods production. That means jobs must be lost in government, retail sales, finance, health care, and education; and jobs must be created in technology, manufacturing, textiles, mining, energy, and agriculture. This guarantees major short-term pain. But breaking an addiction is not easy. Those who say it is are living in a fool's paradise.
This transition does not require any positive action from government. All it needs to do is simply get out of the way. That does not mean there is nothing the government can do to help the process. It can remove as many regulations and taxes as possible that inhibit market forces from working their magic. But this requires a completely different mindset among our elected officials. They will need the courage and knowledge to level with the American people, and do what is in our nation's economic interests, not simply what is in their own political interest.
Foreign governments too must get out of the way and let market forces work. Their support for the U.S. dollar must end. If they do, U.S. consumer prices and interest rates will rise, as they must.
If the Fed tries to combat the effects of a falling dollar with more QE the dollar will fall even further and consumer prices will rise even higher. The cycle will either end with the Fed as the only buyer of all U.S. dollar denominated debt (wiping out the value of the dollar), or a Fed engineered rate hike that brings the cycle to an end. Both scenarios are catastrophic, but the latter at least offers the possibility of redemption.
The same experts who did not see the 2008 financial crisis coming also fail to see the world in these stark terms. And while it gives me no pleasure to forecast the demise of the U.S. economy, I hope that at least the reputations of these "experts" will sink with it.
Peter Schiff is the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital.
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/06/15/the_economy_is_now_immune_to_keynesian_crack_99075.html
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Who the hell cares where it is? It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know.
The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it.
You claimed it was all spent.
Now you say "who the hell cares".
Thanks for proving your lack of credibility yet once more.
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You claimed it was all spent.
Now you say "who the hell cares".
Thanks for proving your lack of credibility yet once more.
It was - on payroll!
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It was - on payroll!
Then you should easily be able to supply a fact based link on this that disputes the report that FL only spent 42 cents of each dollar. By that claim, they have more than half of the stim bill left. By your claim, they have none. One of you is wrong.
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Oh look, another 333 stalker derailing this thread with his puppy dog-like obsession with 333 by hammering a point that has no relevance whatsofuckingever to the topic.
You leftist clowns that pop up to do nothing but stalk 333 are really shitting up every thread on this board. Jog on, c\/nts.
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Oh look... it's the little insecure bottom feeder that can't even follow the conversation two other men are having before posting.
Had you bothered to, you would have seen I called his little ass out on a claim he made... I guess making outlandish and false claims is something the GOPretenders like to ignore. Of course, I am sure you tried to follow that.. but given the fact you have the brightness of a 3 day old dead firefly it must have been really hard.
Now insert the c0ck back into your mouth and carry on sissy boy.
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Oh look... it's the little insecure bottom feeder that can't even follow the conversation two other men are having before posting.
Had you bothered to, you would have seen I called his little ass out on a claim he made... I guess making outlandish and false claims is something the GOPretenders like to ignore. Of course, I am sure you tried to follow that.. but given the fact you have the brightness of a 3 day old dead firefly it must have been really hard.
Now insert the c0ck back into your mouth and carry on sissy boy.
You derail every thread with your creepy, stalkerish, pre-pubescent infatuation with him. Shut the fuck up and move on, troll.
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Oh look.... we are talking about the stim bill and I post something about the claim he makes of the stim bill and yet kvunt flaps here still can't follow along a simple conversation so claims that is derailing the thread. ::) Mommy fed you paint chips as a child didn't she? Poor baby... life is hard enough for it seems, and you still get your little ovaries kicked in on the internet on top of that.
Apparently all the stim bill fund isn't gone.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-05-23/business/os-florida-federal-stimulus-update-20110522_1_stimulus-money-road-projects-american-recovery
$4.6 billion in federal stimulus money stays unspent in Florida
May 23, 2011|By Scott Powers, Orlando Sentinel
More than two years after the controversial federal-stimulus program began, Florida has yet to spend more than $4.6 billion of its stimulus money, even as the state starts seeing new layoffs of teachers and others paid with stimulus money the past two years.
Of $11 billion awarded to Florida for programs that were supposed to generate jobs, federal reports show that, as of March 31, 42 cents of every dollar still was unspent.
A large chunk of that unspent money is targeted to public schools, mainly through the $700 million "Race to the Top" grant Florida won last year to pay for education reforms, chiefly developing evaluation systems and providing merit-pay increases for teachers.
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Whether its spent or not - it did not stimulate antything or serve its intended purpose.
Plus, by the time its spent it will be meaningless anyway and akin to pissing in the wind.
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Obama: "We need to spend nearly $1 trillion to keep unemployment under 8%."
June 15, 2011: Unemployment sits at 9.1% and isn't improving.
Nothing else needs to be said.
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http://www.edbeat.net/2011/05/first-quarter-data-reveal-states-have.html
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Oh look, another 333 stalker derailing this thread with his puppy dog-like obsession with 333 by hammering a point that has no relevance whatsofuckingever to the topic.
You leftist clowns that pop up to do nothing but stalk 333 are really shitting up every thread on this board. Jog on, c\/nts.
Say man.. if a muthafucka puts my name in the title of a thread...im most likely going to post in it
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http://www.edbeat.net/2011/05/first-quarter-data-reveal-states-have.html
Lurker, you can shut the hell up now.
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It doesn't even matter! The money has no useful purpose whatsoever, added a great amount of uncertainty into the economy, loaded us up with debt, paid for bullshit programs, and only stimulated bullshit.
Its a flop and a failure, no way an obama fan boy can spin that.
We literally burned a trillion dollars only to make the problem worse, just as many of us said it would.
Too bad the economic illiterates and incompetents are still too stupid and ignorant to realize the error of their beliefs.
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Lurker, you can shut the hell up now.
Really? Is that so? Because all you have done is shown yourself as a total idiot (no surprise there) as that said exactly the same thing I did.
All the money has NOT been spent. Exactly the point I made.
Thanks for playing.
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Really? Is that so? Because all you have done is shown yourself as a total idiot (no surprise there) as that said exactly the same thing I did.
All the money has NOT been spent. Exactly the point I made.
Thanks for playing.
Yes it has! Its already been printed up and allocated. Whether its bottled up in agencies due to permitting process problems, being used for payroll, etc, its gone.
Plus there is not even any "stimulative" effect of this nonsense since its going to all the wrong things as it is.
75% has been spent and we lost 2 million net jobs from the day this garbage was passed. You think that remaining 25% bottled up somewhere in some govt office is going to save the day somehow?
LMAO.
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Whether its spent or not - i
It doesn't even matter!
Really? So what you are really saying is that making false claims - like you do on a daily basis here - doesn't matter at all. Because when proven wrong, the logical response and come back is "It doesn't matter".
Or does this little criteria only apply to just you? Since you are the only one that whines and back pedals with it time and time again?
You are a fucking joke who can't even defend or prove his own statements on here with simple facts. And you expect someone to believe you go before judges to argue cases with this type of logic?
Welcome to FAILSVILLE.
Population = YOU
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Yes it has! Its already been printed up and allocated. Whether its bottled up in agencies due to permitting process problems, being used for payroll, etc, its gone.
Plus there is not even any "stimulative" effect of this nonsense since its going to all the wrong things as it is.
75% has been spent and we lost 2 million net jobs from the day this garbage was passed. You think that remaining 25% bottled up somewhere in some govt office is going to save the day somehow?
LMAO.
Has nothing to do with the discussion from the last two pages between you and I. You are trying a typical (and failing) amateur attempt at generalizing the argument to reflect your view, even though it is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.
You made a claim that the stim money has been spent.
I asked for simple proof of this which you couldn't provide.
I countered that claim with evidence that it has not been spent.
George further expanded on my evidence with more of same supporting the very statement that I made that the money has not been spent.
You were wrong. As usual.
We were not discussing the effectiveness of the stim bill.
We were not discussing the number of jobs lost.
We were not discussing any of the other bullshit you were crying about.
What we were discussing was a very specific statement that you made and was proven wrong about.
Keep c(t)rying.
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Has nothing to do with the discussion from the last two pages between you and I. You are trying a typical (and failing) amateur attempt at generalizing the argument to reflect your view, even though it is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.
You made a claim that the stim money has been spent.
I asked for simple proof of this which you couldn't provide.
I countered that claim with evidence that it has not been spent.
George further expanded on my evidence with more of same supporting the very statement that I made that the money has not been spent.
You were wrong. As usual.
We were not discussing the effectiveness of the stim bill.
We were not discussing the number of jobs lost.
We were not discussing any of the other bullshit you were crying about.
What we were discussing was a very specific statement that you made and was proven wrong about.
Keep c(t)rying.
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The treasury printed up the money and sent it out on the back of the taxpayer = spent. Its gone.
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The treasury printed up the money and sent it out on the back of the taxpayer = spent. Its gone.
Were we discussing the treasury?
Were we discussing tax payers?
No. We were discussing STATES. And how can it be gone when George and I have clearly provided solid evidence that money is still in the reserves of states? Gone is gone. Meaning nothing. If you got something left, it can't be gone. Basic common sense here.
You just got busted once more in making a false statement and you got with the bullshit approach of throwing as much as you can at the wall hoping something will stick.
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No. We were discussing STATES. And how can it be gone when George and I have clearly provided solid evidence that money is still in the reserves of states? Gone is gone. Meaning nothing. If you got something left, it can't be gone. Basic common sense here.
You just got busted once more in making a false statement and you got with the bullshit approach of throwing as much as you can at the wall hoping something will stick.
Ok, great - you win the semantics argument.
Now, I ask you, when the remaining 25% is spent, do you think it will have significant positive economic impact? Do you think it will get things more in line with Obama's originally forecasted UE rate?
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Why the stim bill was a failure.
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Ok, great - you win the semantics argument.
Now, I ask you, when the remaining 25% is spent, do you think it will have significant positive economic impact? Do you think it will get things more in line with Obama's originally forecasted UE rate?
Hell no. I already said years ago that the entire 100% of the stim bill was not going to change things.
But that isn't the point. This isn't about semantics but facts, or rather lack of them. If I said that the previous 75% of the stim bill changed things and you asked for proof but instead I started posting bullshit that wasn't even related to the topic between us, it would be the exact same tactic 333 does when he can't defend his bullshit.
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Why the stim bill was a failure.
If you want to post a video that everyone here will watch, post one on why you are a failure.
A very simple question was asked of something you claimed and you couldn't support it with facts. Why is that?
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Whatever dipshit. Once the money was printed by the treasury and put on the books it weas a liability to the taxpayers and effectively spent.
You want to play word games over minor technical meaningless details and jump up and down, fine, keep making an idiot of yourself. you are well practiced at that.
The money is gone, the stim bill failed, just like Obama your hero did and is, and will so long as he is in office.
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Hell no. I already said years ago that the entire 100% of the stim bill was not going to change things.
But that isn't the point. This isn't about semantics but facts, or rather lack of them. If I said that the previous 75% of the stim bill changed things and you asked for proof but instead I started posting bullshit that wasn't even related to the topic between us, it would be the exact same tactic 333 does when he can't defend his bullshit.
Truthfully, if you made the 75% comment, but the gist of the argument wasn't derailed by being off a few % points, I wouldn't have asked at all.
This is the type of shit that just clutters boards, along with pointing out gaffes (by both sides) typos, etc.....
The overall point, which you both seem to agree on, is that the stimulus failed, and you both recognized it would from the get go.
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I don't see arguments saying it succeeded.
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hell naw that shit aint work
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Say man.. if a muthafucka puts my name in the title of a thread...im most likely going to post in it
Wasn't referring to you. Just the 333 stalkers that are shitting all over every thread these days.
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Its just a matter of terrible policies having their predicted result.
Some of us called this mess from day 1 and were shat upon and now sadly everything we said would happen did.
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Audit: Georgia stimulus jobs program mired in waste
The Florida Times-Union ^ | June 17, 2011 | By Walter C. Jones
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ATLANTA - The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is conducting multiple investigations into the state's operation of a job-assistance program run with federal stimulus funds and the dozens of employers who participated, state officials announced Thursday.
A state audit released Thursday morning described the Department of Human Services program as plagued by poor judgment and criminal behavior.
"Apparent fraud, waste and abuse in [the] low-income jobs program likely resulted from mismanagement and weak controls in the central office," investigators with the Georgia Department of Audits & Accounts wrote.
The waste could have been worse. Georgia qualified for more stimulus money, but the managers were too inept to spend it all, the audit showed.
(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...
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Straw Man - We didnt spend enough.
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Sending 333 to fetch the truth on his bullshit claims is like sending a 6 year old out on a snipe-hunt.
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Sending 333 to fetch the truth on his bullshit claims is like sending a 6 year old out on a snipe-hunt.
That article is from today moron.
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Im not sure why this "guy" has my name in the title of this thread. He gotta be the most dense person Ive ever come across.
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Im not sure why this "guy" has my name in the title of this thread. He gotta be the most dense person Ive ever come across.
You support Obama despite the mulitude of failures shown to you daily shows beyond any shadow of a doubt you are more dense than I ever could be.
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You support Obama despite the mulitude of failures shown to you daily shows beyond any shadow of a doubt you are more dense than I ever could be.
I dont support obama's failures which, at this point, has been illustrated no lie, like 100 times to you directly. What im not a fan of is bullshit, hyperbole like a 12 year old, and the All or nothing approach.. its lazy and a hindrance to our political conversation..
As humans we should be deeper more complex thinkers than what is displayed in society today
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I dont support obama's failures which, at this point, has been illustrated no lie, like 100 times to you directly. What im not a fan of is bullshit, hyperbole like a 12 year old, and the All or nothing approach.. its lazy and a hindrance to our political conversation..
As humans we should be deeper more complex thinkers than what is displayed in society today
Agreed!
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Agreed!
its not agreed.. you have your own world, you think whatever you want to think
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Agreed!
no this is a seperate issue. I dont agree with this.. I hate this.. I Malcolm Victor Pigford do not like this move by Obama, as i dont like GITMO, the OBAMACARE bill, Lazy foot on DADT, and lack of Infrastructure spending in the Stim bill, the fact that we didnt cut bait Afg and iraq.. I..hopefully for the last time.. Malcolm Victor Pigford being of sound mind and body do denounce any assertions that i am an aggreance with any of these policies enacted by the 44th president of the United States of America Barack Obama....there you go...
Now.. my reason for asking this question is not do defend what i think is awful policy.. as there is more to life than black and white arguments. It is to question the "all or none" Americans who applaud when side A does something, but when side B does the same EXACT thing, it is scoffed at. But the kicker is, When someone brings up the fact that side A did this quite recently, there seems to be an endless amount of "well when he did it.. the climate was that so it was cool" when infact... its allbad.. but i understand, to some.. thats way too much thinking. They like "red vs Blue" way better
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its not agreed.. you have your own world, you think whatever you want to think
I try to base my opinions on sound economics and reality. Maybe you should try it sometime.
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its not agreed.. you have your own world, you think whatever you want to think
see.. when you write in crayon.. you think like that.. way more complicated than that shit face
This asshole is hilarious
I said i didnt like that OBAMA
Didnt close GITMO.. its just not what America is founded on
Dont Ask Dont tell... Let the homos fight..
Obama care is a watered down POS and Obama let repubs fuck it up
Most of the money should went to build roads and bridges, instant creation of jobs and economy boost..
those are some of the policies i CRITIZED him about bit 3333 comes out of his neck saying i said "any and all criticism of the Messiah can not be tolerated an that a quote...
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I try to base my opinions on sound economics and reality. Maybe you should try it sometime.
No you the fuck you dont.. you base your opinions off what some asshole says on youtube.. tha fuck are you talking about?
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2 years too late chief after it was already shown to have not done its job as promised. If you made that comment in Februry of 2009, then I would give you more credit.
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No you the fuck you dont.. you base your opinions off what some asshole says on youtube.. tha fuck are you talking about?
Really? Have you read Wealth of Nations, Econ by Hazlitt, Road to Serfdom by Hayek, Creature from Jeklyl, Ron Pauls' books, Schiffs work, Thomas Sowell, etc etc? ? ? ?
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2 years too late chief after it was already shown to have not done its job as promised. If you made that comment in Februry of 2009, then I would give you more credit.
im talking about the fact that you talk about me supporting everything he does.. now shall i keep going.. with the quotes that totally blow your lie out of the water.Or will you concede that you dont know what tha fuck youre talking about, or lying intentionally..Dude.. going back in forth with you is like hella boring. Totally, Like all bullshit aside.. you are so childlike especially when you are proven wrong, it gets boring and uninteresting, id rather trade paint with Beach BF GW Tony etc..they dont resort to the same childish shit you do.. i swear i think in real life you might be 17 years old.. tops
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im talking about the fact that you talk about me supporting everything he does.. now shall i keep going.. with the quotes that totally blow your lie out of the water.Or will you concede that you dont know what tha fuck youre talking about, or lying intentionally..Dude.. going back in forth with you is like hella boring. Totally, Like all bullshit aside.. you are so childlike especially when you are proven wrong, it gets boring and uninteresting, id rather trade paint with Beach BF GW Tony etc..they dont resort to the same childish shit you do.. i swear i think in real life you might be 17 years old.. tops
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How was I proven wrong? I was one of the first people in early 2009 saying this would be a complete clusterfuck. Don't remember you agreeing with me back then.
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I try to base my opinions on sound economics and reality. Maybe you should try it sometime.
How about basing them in facts? Because as I just showed, it is quite easy tearing your little whining claims to shred.
If you are going to whine and cry about something, make it a legit issue, not something that you just made up and then tried to back pedal on when called out on it.
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How was I proven wrong? I was one of the first people in early 2009 saying this would be a complete clusterfuck. Don't remember you agreeing with me back then.
how did i know ::) ::) ::) was going to be posted next
And because i didnt agree with you back in 09.. dosent mean i agree with it... what the fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in China "you didnt agree with me in 09 so you blindly support Obama.." dude are you serious?...
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No you the fuck you dont.. you base your opinions off what some asshole says on youtube.. tha fuck are you talking about?
Bullshit Buckshot approach. Fire at the wall and hope something hits.
If logic like this is what judges allow in the NY courthouse, no wonder that place is a mess.
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How was I proven wrong? I was one of the first people in early 2009 saying this would be a complete clusterfuck. Don't remember you agreeing with me back then.
you were proven wrong when you said that i support obamas policies.. even after i post that i dont agree with his policies.. yet you still say it.. simply because i dont jump on you hyperbole bandwagon
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How about basing them in facts? Because as I just showed, it is quite easy tearing your little whining claims to shred.
If you are going to whine and cry about something, make it a legit issue, not something that you just made up and then tried to back pedal on when called out on it.
What the fuck are you talking about? I showed you an article from today proving my point. So did others.
If you want to play word games and engage in semantics while losing the larger argument, fine, it wont be the first time, or the last for that matter.
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Bullshit Buckshot approach. Fire at the wall and hope something hits.
If logic like this is what judges allow in the NY courthouse, no wonder that place is a mess.
Oh for sure.. its much more engaging trading paint with Beach, bezerk, George, Skip, Tony.. etc.. but this "guy" is akin to the weakling on the school yard that you engage solely because its nothing else do to. Very easy to Own.. you just do it anyway
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What the fuck are you talking about? I showed you an article from today proving my point. So did others.
If you want to play word games and engage in semantics while losing the larger argument, fine, it wont be the first time, or the last for that matter.
Pot..meet kettle
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Oh for sure.. its much more engaging trading paint with Beach, bezerk, George, Skip, Tony.. etc.. but this "guy" is akin to the weakling on the school yard that you engage solely because its nothing else do to. Very easy to Own.. you just do it anyway
LMFAO - what did I claim in this thread that got proven wrong?
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LMFAO - what did I claim in this thread that got proven wrong?
You said that i support obamas economic policy and i dont.. and ive proved that many times...
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Now that's its a proven disaster!
Where were you in 2009?
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Now that's its a proven disaster!
Where were you in 2009?
I was here. Tha fuck are you talking about.. "where was I"....um Atlanta?
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I was here. Tha fuck are you talking about.. "where was I"....um Atlanta?
You know what I mean. Some of us called this disaster to the letter and were attacked - "give him a chance" blah blah blah.
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You know what I mean. Some of us called this disaster to the letter and were attacked - "give him a chance" blah blah blah.
OK.. yeah i dont make predictions...
dude you make hella predictions, but then things happen.. and your shit goes to shit.. Palin 2012. Trump 2012 $6.00 gas.. and on and on...dude i dont jump the gun
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OK.. yeah i dont make predictions...
dude you make hella predictions, but then things happen.. and your shit goes to shit.. Palin 2012. Trump 2012 $6.00 gas.. and on and on...dude i dont jump the gun
HA HA HA HA !!!!!
Are you fucking kidding?
Gas $4 a gallon
UE skyrocketig
Inflation skyrocketing
Misery index 30 year high
Debt and deficit disaster
Health premiuims skyrocketing
and on and on and on and on.
HOPE & CHANGE bitches - go vote for 4 more years of this disaster and be proud.
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HA HA HA HA !!!!!
Are you fucking kidding?
Gas $4 a gallon
UE skyrocketig
Inflation skyrocketing
Misery index 30 year high
Debt and deficit disaster
Health premiuims skyrocketing
and on and on and on and on.
HOPE & CHANGE bitches - go vote for 4 more years of this disaster and be proud.
oK.. and that means what to me. And what relevance does that have to what we were talking about.
and if we are going retro... the guy you vote for and support had 4k deaths of Americans for declaring war on the wrong country.. .. we can do this shit all day..
Tha fuck are we talkin bout ova hea
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What the fuck are you talking about? I showed you an article from today proving my point. So did others.
If you want to play word games and engage in semantics while losing the larger argument, fine, it wont be the first time, or the last for that matter.
Bullshit. You made a claim and was challenged on it.
You posted more bullshit about EVERYTHING that was no relevant to proving your answer.
George W came along and posted the link that exposed your little claim as false.
Fucking idiot. How long have you and reality been at an impasse?
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LMFAO - what did I claim in this thread that got proven wrong?
That states had spent all their stim money.
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That states had spent all their stim money.
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Did you see my thread on Obama destroying the dirt industry
Dirt
Soil
Compost
sand
and on and on
Ha Ha Ha
Suckers Hope and Change..
I want to punch you if you voted for obama
Marxist sleeper Cell is worse than Osama Bin Ladin
I would vote for a Pedo before i vote for obama
Even (insert random black guy) dosent like him
WWWWWWTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFUU UUUUUVVVVVV!!!!!!!!KKKKKKKCXXXXX
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Dirt as a Growth Industry
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There is a fascinating piece in the September issue of National Geographic on how dirt is becoming a growth industry. With food demand accelerating, and millions of acres of agricultural land degraded via salination and over-use, and other land becoming fallow due to compaction, this is a pressing topic, and an area ripe for innovation.
Big, heavy machines like the harvesters mash wet soil into an undifferentiated, nigh impenetrable slab—a process called compaction. Roots can't penetrate compacted ground; water can't drain into the earth and instead runs off, causing erosion. And because compaction can occur deep in the ground, it can take decades to reverse. Farm-equipment companies, aware of the problem, put huge tires on their machines to spread out the impact. And farmers are using satellite navigation to confine vehicles to specific paths, leaving the rest of the soil untouched. Nonetheless, this kind of compaction remains a serious issue—at least in nations where farmers can afford $400,000 harvesters.
Unfortunately, compaction is just one, relatively small piece in a mosaic of interrelated problems afflicting soils all over the planet. In the developing world, far more arable land is being lost to human-induced erosion and desertification, directly affecting the lives of 250 million people. In the first — and still the most comprehensive — study of global soil misuse, scientists at the International Soil Reference and Information Centre (ISRIC) in the Netherlands estimated in 1991 that humankind has degraded more than 7.5 million square miles of land. Our species, in other words, is rapidly trashing an area the size of the United States and Canada combined.
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That states had spent all their stim money.
Yeah, other than some remaining funds here and there which overall are nothing in the scope of the situation. Congratulations on a minor techincal detail without any significance whatsoever in the overal scheme of things. Woopddie dooo! the king of semantics wins a minute detail while conceeding the overall argument. Fine by me douchebag. You voted for this asshole and all these pieces of shit making things drastically worse. Should I also congratulate you on that as well?
I posted an article today proving what I claimed. The money in spent and gone. Its done, but I guess like the good liberal douche you are, somehow you think the trickle of money left amounting to a drop in the ocean is some how going to save the day from this waste of a trillion dollars that a few of us said would happen from day 1. And you and Mal are not in that group as you two voted for and supported this disaster until it became clear what a disaster it was.
Finally - show me your posts from February 2009 saying this would be a failure and a disaster like I did. I wont hold my breath on that as you voted for and supported this faux admn from day 1 and only now, along with johnny come lately Mal, realize what a fucking mess all these policies turned out to be. Too bad you were not bright enough to see it from day one like myself and other did.
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Yeah, other than some remaining funds here and there which overall are nothing in the scope of the situation. Congratulations on a minor techincal detail without any significance whatsoever in the overal scheme of things. Woopddie dooo! the king of semantics wins a minute detail while conceeding the overall argument. Fine by me douchebag. You voted for this asshole and all these pieces of shit making things drastically worse. Should I also congratulate you on that as well?
I posted an article today proving what I claimed. The money in spent and gone. Its done, but I guess like the good liberal douche you are, somehow you think the trickle of money left amounting to a drop in the ocean is some how going to save the day from this waste of a trillion dollars that a few of us said would happen from day 1. And you and Mal are not in that group as you two voted for and supported this disaster until it became clear what a disaster it was.
Finally - show me your posts from February 2009 saying this would be a failure and a disaster like I did. I wont hold my breath on that as you voted for and supported this faux admn from day 1 and only now, along with johnny come lately Mal, realize what a fucking mess all these policies turned out to be. Too bad you were not bright enough to see it from day one like myself and other did.
LMAO..because i dont make proclamations based off hate?.. lol
and you voted for Bush.. and I got 2 dead friends as a result of it.. so shut the fuck up talking about retro decisions
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Congratulations on a minor techincal detail without any significance whatsoever in the overal scheme of things.
kind of like "well it was reported somewhere so its in the media.. and i can post it as truth"
"somewhere" in this case= Indian blogger
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Yeah, other than some remaining funds here and there which overall are nothing in the scope of the situation. Congratulations on a minor techincal detail without any significance whatsoever in the overal scheme of things. Woopddie dooo! the king of semantics wins a minute detail while conceeding the overall argument. Fine by me douchebag. You voted for this asshole and all these pieces of shit making things drastically worse. Should I also congratulate you on that as well?
I posted an article today proving what I claimed. The money in spent and gone. Its done, but I guess like the good liberal douche you are, somehow you think the trickle of money left amounting to a drop in the ocean is some how going to save the day from this waste of a trillion dollars that a few of us said would happen from day 1. And you and Mal are not in that group as you two voted for and supported this disaster until it became clear what a disaster it was.
Finally - show me your posts from February 2009 saying this would be a failure and a disaster like I did. I wont hold my breath on that as you voted for and supported this faux admn from day 1 and only now, along with johnny come lately Mal, realize what a fucking mess all these policies turned out to be. Too bad you were not bright enough to see it from day one like myself and other did.
So what all this basically says is that I was right and you were wrong.
Gotcha.
But everyone already knew that.
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So what all this basically says is that I was right and you were wrong.
Gotcha.
But everyone already knew that.
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whatever team kneepad...
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kind of like "well it was reported somewhere so its in the media.. and i can post it as truth"
"somewhere" in this case= Indian blogger
For real. He is the king of "minor details" and the queen of "false details".
Careful now, he is just itching to start screaming "Fail". That is his new buzzword for this week. No such thing as overuse. Like back when he was in his "hysterical" mode.
Can you imagine being a judge and having to sit through his bullshit in a court room like this?
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LMAO..because i dont make proclamations based off hate?.. lol
and you voted for Bush.. and I got 2 dead friends as a result of it.. so shut the fuck up talking about retro decisions
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Hate is not what made be accurately predict the absolute failure of obama on all accounts. Anyone with a clue could see that a mile away from Day 1.
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For real. He is the king of "minor details" and the queen of "false details".
Careful now, he is just itching to start screaming "Fail". That is his new buzzword for this week. No such thing as overuse. Like back when he was in his "hysterical" mode.
Can you imagine being a judge and having to sit through his bullshit in a court room like this?
A judge would hold him in contempt for making his courtroom a circus
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Hate is not what made be accurately predict the absolute failure of obama on all accounts. Anyone with a clue could see that a mile away from Day 1.
whats the excuse for your failures like
$200/day
bogus insurance letter
Swat (my fave)
Palin 2012
Trump 2012
Birth Cert
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Yeah ok - both of you are forced to concede that the very first thing that transformational messiah did is a complete failure while jumping up and down in a minor detail without any significance whatsoever. Same for obamaCare and dodd Frank as well?
I posted an article today proving my point, so both of you can continue to wallow in your ignorance and vote for 4 more years of failure and disaster for all I care.
Bottom line - both of you agree that i was right from Day 1 that the obama "recovery act" failed.
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Yeah ok - both of you are forced to concede that the very first thing that transformational messiah did is a complete failure while jumping up and down in a minor detail without any significance whatsoever. Same for obamaCare and dodd Frank as well?
I posted an article today proving my point, so both of you can continue to wallow in your ignorance and vote for 4 more years of failure and disaster for all I care.
Bottom line - both of you agree that i was right from Day 1 that the obama "recovery act" failed.
Ok.. i said i didnt like the stim.. like a long time ago.. wtf
i said i dont like Obama care
No i didnt "predict".. but shortly after it was laid out.. i said i didnt like the lack of infrastructure spending..
like what tha fuck do you want ova hea
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Yeah ok - both of you are forced to concede that the very first thing that transformational messiah did is a complete failure while jumping up and down in a minor detail without any significance whatsoever. Same for obamaCare and dodd Frank as well?
I posted an article today proving my point, so both of you can continue to wallow in your ignorance and vote for 4 more years of failure and disaster for all I care.
Bottom line - both of you agree that i was right from Day 1 that the obama "recovery act" failed.
BLAAAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAAAA!!!!
This all you got? Really. Most people would have just said "Damn, I was wrong" and moved along. You are still here making fucking excuses in hopes that no one noticed you were wrong AGAIN!!!
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You said that i support obamas economic policy and i dont.. and ive proved that many times...
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That's right. You think more stimulus money should be flushed down the toilet and that unemployment benefits should continue for another 400 weeks.
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A judge would hold him in contempt for making his courtroom a circus
No doubt. He has no intellectual capacity beyond blind hatred and no mental stability beyond utter denial.
Just watch... he is going to sit here and pound the keys over the internet... ALL.... WEEKEND.... LONG and bump 2 year old threads in his little meltdown that is going on.
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No doubt. He has no intellectual capacity beyond blind hatred and no mental stability beyond utter denial.
Just watch... he is going to sit here and pound the keys over the internet... ALL.... WEEKEND.... LONG and bump 2 year old threads in his little meltdown that is going on.
Show me your posts from 2009 saying this pofs was going to fail.
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That's right. You think more stimulus money should be flushed down the toilet and that unemployment benefits should continue for another 400 weeks.
I said that UE should go on for 400 weeks? Please show me a link
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I said that UE should go on for 400 weeks? Please show me a link
Care to defend the indefensible?
Because even obama's own Chief of Staff can't any more.
But go vote for 4 more years of this failure.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110617/pl_dailycaller/daleycane28099tdefendobamae28099se28098indefensiblee28099economicpolicies
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Care to defend the indefensible?
Because even obama's own Chief of Staff can't any more.
But go vote for 4 more years of this failure.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110617/pl_dailycaller/daleycane28099tdefendobamae28099se28098indefensiblee28099economicpolicies
Where did i say that?
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Show me your posts from 2009 saying this pofs was going to fail.
Since we are talking about the stim bill, I can do you one better. You can go all the way back to 2008 when BUSH passed the first one and I said it was going to amount to nothing.
The only pofs I see failing is YOU.
I had a great weekend. Laying out by my pool and going to the beach working on getting a bit of tan for when I go to Italy in July/August. (Where they have real Italians and not Crytalians). Went to a BBQ. Bought a new lens and spent yesterday trying it out. Man, my weekend was great.
How many posts did you make here on Getbig this past weekend?
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Since we are talking about the stim bill, I can do you one better. You can go all the way back to 2008 when BUSH passed the first one and I said it was going to amount to nothing.
The only pofs I see failing is YOU.
I had a great weekend. Laying out by my pool and going to the beach working on getting a bit of tan for when I go to Italy in July/August. (Where they have real Italians and not Crytalians). Went to a BBQ. Bought a new lens and spent yesterday trying it out. Man, my weekend was great.
How many posts did you make here on Getbig this past weekend?
Ding and ding