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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: carvedoutofwood on November 28, 2006, 08:44:27 PM
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want one badly...
... with 1:14 left... look at that!
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
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;)
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that was cool as hell
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that was cool as hell
right now body88 is hoping youll die
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why should i die because a pit bull is pulling heavy weight... ala strongman comp... ?
That was a mistake. I thought you where saying you wanted a pit and that was a fight video that has been circulating. I edited the post. I am a pitbull advocate and do alot of shit where I love to educate ignorant people. I edited the post. my bad.
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
gotta agree here. I got two bitches myself, they are the most loyal, loving dogs I've ever owned. Too bad a few assholes got to f**k everything up for the rest of us.Let's not turn this into a negative thread-bitches ;)
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why is that I like the shit out of dogs
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right now body88 is hoping youll die
I edited the post. I thought you where posting a diff fighting video. I have owned 3 pitbulls and now a American bulldog ::) Here is my AB at 10 months old.
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gotta agree here. I got two bitches myself, they are the most loyal, loving dogs I've ever owned. Too bad a few assholes got to f**k everything up for the rest of us.
All dogs are predators.
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Pitbulls are cool. My little sis (eight years old) just got one and its great. The people who train them to attack everyone they dont recognize are idiots! It seems that around my area the weak people get strong dogs because they are pussies. THEY f**k IT UP FOR EVERYONE!
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honestly i figured cause what i ACTUALLY posted was a tribute video... love the animals and totally respect them for what theyre capable of.... BB of th dog world
by the way somewher in the last 3rd a dog is pulling a car effortlessly
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Dude, my little sisters dog is 42lbs and about 5 months old and was pulling my ass down the street!
Strong little bitch!
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... body, u should love this.... anyone who wanted to see two pits fight... here ya go
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honestly i figured cause what i ACTUALLY posted was a tribute video... love the animals and totally respect them for what theyre capable of.... BB of th dog world
by the way somewher in the last 3rd a dog is pulling a car effortlessly
First pic is my AB at 10 months. Second was him at 7 months. Last one is a repost cuz I am not paying attention.
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I want to get one eventually.
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Thats hillarious! My gf's dog is a Schnoodle (Schauzer + Poodle) and wrestles with our pitbull.
The pit never had a chance! ;D
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Thats hillarious! My gf's dog is a Schnoodle (Schauzer + Poodle) and wrestles with our pitbull.
The pit never had a chance! ;D
Haha crazy poodles.
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I would love a pit or an american bully... my girlfriend *and she loves dogs* is strikly agains pits... one day I will just buy a puppy and she will not able to say no ;D
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THIS IS A REAL PITTY U SALLY'S
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Damn good looking dog.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123162;image)
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Disgusting animal.
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Damn good looking dog.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123162;image)
that dog is not an american pit bull terrier. It is a "cur" or essentially a dog that has been bred for size. Pretty dog yes, but hardly of the athletic nature of an american pit bull terrier.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123162;image)
looks like it could bench 225 for reps
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See how my dog has a waist? That's a pit bull. He might have the rear legs of a chicken (he had a poor upbringing of abuse and needs an operation where they have to break each leg in three places) but he has the perfect pitbull structure. A UKC judge said if our dog had normal rear legs (and testes) it would win shows. Even with the bad rear legs he's still a solid 78 lbs.
The other dog is beautiful, but not an APBT.
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And if you get Body88 started, then i'll get started as well... and with our combined knowledge we could take it 1,000 pages.
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Pitbulls are great, until one day they decide to bite off some kids face.
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that dog is not an american pit bull terrier. It is a "cur" or essentially a dog that has been bred for size. Pretty dog yes, but hardly of the athletic nature of an american pit bull terrier.
TrapsMcLats, please elaborate on this, not familiar with concept, does it entail introducing another breed, or how/what is it? Sure looks impressive, does it affect temperament negatively?
Another thing, if any of you guys can advise, I've got a 1yr old male bull terrier, how compatible would an APBT be with him? I wouldnt want them fighting/killing each other, as I know bull terriers are territorial, attention seekers, and possessive as well as great dogs. But dont know much re APBT's besides their wrongly attributed bad-rep, nor their compatibility with other "strong" terrier breeds.
Sorry to turn this into "ask-the-vet" forum...
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you really don't want to get me started. Like i could say that the woman who had the first face transplant... you know what kind of dog mauled her? A lab. Not a pit, but a lab.
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Apparently Golden Retrievers are also snappy, and responsible for maulings.
Obviously generalization, but thats what I heard.
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TrapsMcLats, please elaborate on this, not familiar with concept, does it entail introducing another breed, or how/what is it? Sure looks impressive, does it affect temperament negatively?
Another thing, if any of you guys can advise, I've got a 1yr old male bull terrier, how compatible would an APBT be with him? I wouldnt want them fighting/killing each other, as I know bull terriers are territorial, attention seekers, and possessive as well as great dogs. But dont know much re APBT's besides their wrongly attributed bad-rep, nor their compatibility with other "strong" terrier breeds.
Sorry to turn this into "ask-the-vet" forum...
There is much debate among breeders and the like over what an americam pit bull terrier actually is based on the fact that they were only ever bred for temperment, gameness and athletic ability and never really looks. Now thats not to say that there isn't a APBT "look" that is aimed for, its just not as imprtant as it is with other breeds.
Many breeders and breed experts feel that when APBT get extremely stocky and muscle bound that another breed has been introduced... such as a Neo Mastiff, Dogo, Presa and especially the dogue de bordeaux for head size, which is becoming increasingly more popular. Its all up to debate in theory. But many of the dogs we see is rap videos or in the above pictured blue dog are not an american pit bull terrier by definition:
from ukcdogs.com: "The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.
As for your dog and a APBT getting along... its a case by case situation. Some dogs get along with each other, others don't. I wish there was more applicable science but it really is a case by case situation. Introduce your dog (always on leash at first) to a pit you are considering adopting, and see how they get along... and give it time. Shyness and timidness can always desolve into complete adoration of each other.
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Apparently Golden Retrievers are also snappy, and responsible for maulings.
Obviously generalization, but thats what I heard.
Yeah, its all based on what people "HEAR..." but like anything, its one dog versus every other dog of their kind. Thats why the BADRAP organiztion says "judge the deed, not the breed." I live by that creed. I've never met an aggressive Presa, but people will tell you they are killers. The only dog i have met that are consistently wary and aggressive are rottweilers, but thats what they were bred for, to gaurd. I love rots though, once they know you and see you are accepted by their owner they are big clowns who want nothing more than to play and cuddle. They try to dominate, but once you set boundaries, they give in and mostly want attention at all times.
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Thanks Traps,
I agree with bad rep being bs half the time.
I had Rottweilers as a kid, and can vouch for their temperament, as you said, if one sets boundaries and is firm, then they're obedient and controlled (like every dog, I think). Very intellegent, playful monsters.
We had Maltese Poodles that ran the show, and set the rules with the Rotts, so much for the stone cold hardened killers!
They're great guard-dogs, and half the job is intimidation.
This "new, impure" breed you describe, is it an unethical thing to support such a breed, you believe? Do they have known bad traits? Killing off original bloodline?
Must confess, thats the look of dog that appeals to me, didnt know that were not pure.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123162;image)
looks like it could bench 225 for reps
I dunno fellas I think he's juicing.....
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Well, like i said its still a matter of debate... but no, i don't believe its unethical if they are selling them as pit bulls... a pit bull by definition is any dog that could fight in the pits (in THEORY... as i do not condone dog fighting of ANY kind). But to market or sell these dogs as American Pit Bull Terriers would be wrong. They are not that dog.
In terms of temperment... its an unknown quantity. Dogs that could POSSIBLY have been introduced (like dogue de bordeaux) do not have the high scoring, steady temperment of the APBT. APBT's score higher with the american teperment testing society than the golden retriever, at what i think is 83.7% (which means that 83.7 percent of the dogs they tested passed all tests on teperment). The dogue de bordeaux does not score nearly as high. Another dog i forgot to mention that many believe have been bred into these massive "pit bulls" are the cane corso and they do not score as high either. Take a look at these dogs and the blue pit above and you will see quite a similarity:
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I dunno fellas I think he's juicing.....
no, just really powerful dogs. You should see how much weight they can pull.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123162;image)
looks like it could bench 225 for reps
synthol
monster forelegs
gh gut
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Well, like i said its still a matter of debate... but no, i don't believe its unethical if they are selling them as pit bulls... a pit bull by definition is any dog that could fight in the pits (in THEORY... as i do not condone dog fighting of ANY kind). But to market or sell these dogs as American Pit Bull Terriers would be wrong. They are not that dog.
In terms of temperment... its an unknown quantity. Dogs that could POSSIBLY have been introduced (like dogue de bordeaux) do not have the high scoring, steady temperment of the APBT. APBT's score higher with the american teperment testing society than the golden retriever, at what i think is 83.7% (which means that 83.7 percent of the dogs they tested passed all tests on teperment). The dogue de bordeaux does not score nearly as high. Another dog i forgot to mention that many believe have been bred into these massive "pit bulls" are the cane corso and they do not score as high either. Take a look at these dogs and the blue pit above and you will see quite a similarity:
cane corsos look like they've been doing GH . . . their skulls are more overgrown than Cutler's. the dog in the second pic looks like it might also have early-onset Palumbism.
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Now this dog is a beauty. Not a pit though.
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I want to show dogo's. Great companions and just plain beautiful dogs.
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this is my dog, Jaw Gutler. he's a champion too. Like the champ, he has great cranial (particularly mandibular) development. unfortunately, he too has some problems w the gut and loose skin, but it's not too bad.
oh, and he's white, in case you didn't notice.
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this is the dog i want to sire my dogo:
This is Diego of Debonair Dogo's, the best looking dogo i have ever seen:
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this is the dog i want to sire my dogo:
i've heard that if you get him drunk, he'll do whatever you want.
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i've heard that if you get him drunk, he'll do whatever you want.
I thought that was Kamali?
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I thought that was Kamali?
yes, but the beer goes straight to Kamali's gut . . . whereas the dogo's managed to keep a small waist. must be an ironager.
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Dogos are bigger than Zane though... Ironagers wouldn't approve of that. WASP WAIST BABY!
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Whats a dogo?
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I've had 3 Olympia,Pink and Dorian. Best dogs ever!!
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
100% agreed!
PB
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I've had 3 Olympia,Pink and Dorian. Best dogs ever!!
Dogos?
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A dogo is a Argentinian Mastiff. The American bulldogs of Argentina.
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Beautiful animal.
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Yes, I love Dogos, American bulldogs and also Apbt's.
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Dogos?
3 pits
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
LOL, first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this thread was body's going to have a field day with this one. ;D
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cane corsos look like they've been doing GH . . . their skulls are more overgrown than Cutler's. the dog in the second pic looks like it might also have early-onset Palumbism.
That's because they're Molosser breeds. All these breeds, Corsos, Presas, Pit Bull, Bull Terrier,etc, etc. all are part of the Molosser family.
Traps, from what I have read, the UKC, has no set standard for a APBT, so, a Am Staff, English Staff, or Bull Terrier can be enter ed as one. Due to the fact that there are no set standards for looks, you'll see APBT that look like hounds on one end of the APBT spectrum, and on the other you'll see the archetypical wide skull, massively muscled 70 pound dogs (Wilrox's Red Mike Tyson comes to mind).
I like the way some VA breeders have bred Am Staffs to a muscular standard, but I like English Staffys due to them being about 35-40 pounds, I have also looked into Irish Staffys as well.
What do you guys think about someone going to the local SPCA and getting a APBT?
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That's because they're Molosser breeds. All these breeds, Corsos, Presas, Pit Bull, Bull Terrier,etc, etc. all are part of the Molosser family.
Traps, from what I have read, the UKC, has no set standard for a APBT, so, a Am Staff, English Staff, or Bull Terrier can be enter ed as one. Due to the fact that there are no set standards for looks, you'll see APBT that look like hounds on one end of the APBT spectrum, and on the other you'll see the archetypical wide skull, massively muscled 70 pound dogs (Wilrox's Red Mike Tyson comes to mind).
I like the way some VA breeders have bred Am Staffs to a muscular standard, but I like English Staffys due to them being about 35-40 pounds, I have also looked into Irish Staffys as well.
What do you guys think about someone going to the local SPCA and getting a APBT?
You should see the skull on a fully mature American Bulldog of the Johnson strain. Also the muscle mass. About 125 lbs of pure muscle. The Scott strain of American bulldog looks like a giant pit. They can get up to about 120 also. But a more normal weight for them is in the 80 - 100 range. There is also a third strain of ab known as the hybrid. That is a johnson Scott mix. That is what my pup is. He is 10 months old and weighs 81lbs of pure muscle already. I have seen heads on Johnson Ab's that are honestly as large as a basketball. Most t he size you see in the pits today has been bred in to them. They should really only be about 50 lbs. 70 for a pit is gigantic.
Adoption is GREAT idea parker. Pitbulls are some of the most loyal and stable animals on the planet. If you raise them correctly you will have no more trouble with one than a jack Russell terrier. He or she will adore you. If you want something that is larger look into American bulldogs.
A picture of my pup at 10 months
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123139;image)
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Here are some examples of American bulldogs
Johnson strain ( short nose, massive structure, tons of muscle. (Range from 85lbs to well over 125)
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine26mo030.jpg)
Scott strain - longer nose ,sleaker look often mistaken for very large pits. (range from 75 - 125)
(http://www.infor.nl/honden/images/ambul1.jpg)
Hybrid ( the best attributes of both strains range from (80lbs - 125 )
(http://www.geocities.com/americanbulldoginfohighway/PSIRedMachine1yr001b.jpg)
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Here are some examples of American bulldogs
Johnson strain
(http://www.terra2.com/xoops/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album20/spike_oct_04_6.jpg)
WOW, look at the size of the skull and chest on that dog.
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Look at this one. This johnson is HUGE
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine26mo030.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine24mo042.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine22moP021.jpg)
The thing that is most amazing the AB can be gigantic and move with the agility of jack russell terrier.
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Look at this one. This johnson is HUGE
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine26mo030.jpg)
He doesn't even have any fat on him. You can see veins in his chest, that's insane. He even looks like he's got abs.
He looks like he's stacking steroids. LOL
He must be too strong to control even for people like us that workout and are stronger than average people.
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He is highly trained. He is also in love with the little girl of the man who breeds him. He is a special animal. DOnt let the size fool you. Giant teddy bear. That is the biggest mother I have ever seen. The scary thing is you can see his ribs when he walks.Just a genetic mutant. Muscle eveywhere.
You would think he would be a handful. But he has no idea how big he is. Since he was trained and socialized the correct way since he was a baby he think his owner is the alpha male. But you are correct if he ever wanted to pull you, unlesss you are Ronnie Coleman you aint stoppin him!
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He is highly trained. He is also in love with the little girl of the man who breeds him. He is a special animal. DOnt let the size fool you. Giant teddy bear. That is the biggest mother I have ever seen. The scary thing is you can see his ribs when he walks.Just a genetic mutant. Muscle eveywhere.
You would think he would be a handful. But he has no idea how big he is. Since he was trained and socialized the correct way since he was a baby he think his owner is the alpha male. But you are correct if he ever wanted to pull you, unlesss you are Ronnie Coleman you aint stoppin him!
Thanks for the info Body,
Beautiful animal. The Wilrox strianof APBT is hugely muscular. I think they had a stud called Red Mike Tyson. It had trriceps muscles bulging out :o. It's rear legs would have mad Tom Platz smile. I don't know if they still have him. And there was a Virgina breeder of Am Staffs that had a similar Am Staff. The dog looked to be the same height as a normal Am staff, but due to its extrodinary muscle qaulity it looked shorter. I'll try and find pics
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
You go Body..i'm with you 100% man...lets fight that shit owners and let the breed survive man kind... :(
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Whats up bro?
I found out some shithead was fighting dogs down the street from my buddies house in Chelsea Ma. I got the buckets dogs taken away. Weird, someone threw a cinderblock through his truck windshield also. Must not be a well liked fella ;)
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Wilrox Kennels site ain't working, but they have some perfect spec APBTs
here's one
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Thanks for the info Body,
Beautiful animal. The Wilrox strianof APBT is hugely muscular. I think they had a stud called Red Mike Tyson. It had trriceps muscles bulging out :o. It's rear legs would have mad Tom Platz smile. I don't know if they still have him. And there was a Virgina breeder of Am Staffs that had a similar Am Staff. The dog looked to be the same height as a normal Am staff, but due to its extrodinary muscle qaulity it looked shorter. I'll try and find pics
Def post some pics! Post some shots of your pup also!
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Wilrox Kennels site ain't working, but they have some perfect spec APBTs
here's one
I love the red pits. I used to have a Brindle named Damien. I want to get a miniature bull terrior for my AB to have as a buddy. Female of course.
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Dogos are also what you call tacos in Tijuana
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Whats up bro?
Doing fine bro!
I found out some shithead was fighting dogs down the street from my buddies house in Chelsea Ma. I got buckets dogs taken away. Weird, someone threw a cinderblock through his truck windshield also. Must not be a well liked fella ;)
Fuck him up reall good my friend..that will teach him ... :D
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
True true. I've owned several and they're one of the smartest breeds of dog ever. The reason people are so scared of them is that owners make them mean and being as tenacious as they are makes them the King of dogs. I could go on and on about some of the things they amazingly can do, but you already know that. You can make them the most peaceful but protective guard dogs their is You can also make them a super strong killer and that's how they got such a bad rap. Most are loving and playfull unless you teach them otherwise and that sucks.
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Am Staff pics
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Another Am staff pic
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You bastards better not even get me started. If anyone says ignorant shit I am getting my statistics and temperment scores from credible sources. I will make this bitch 400 pages!!!! The idiots who abuse these wonderful animals and turn them into weapons should be punished not the dog!
Amen to that. I love all bull breeds. Great animals, loyal to the end.
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You should see the skull on a fully mature American Bulldog of the Johnson strain. Also the muscle mass. About 125 lbs of pure muscle. The Scott strain of American bulldog looks like a giant pit. They can get up to about 120 also. But a more normal weight for them is in the 80 - 100 range. There is also a third strain of ab known as the hybrid. That is a johnson Scott mix. That is what my pup is. He is 10 months old and weighs 81lbs of pure muscle already. I have seen heads on Johnson Ab's that are honestly as large as a basketball. Most t he size you see in the pits today has been bred in to them. They should really only be about 50 lbs. 70 for a pit is gigantic.
Adoption is GREAT idea parker. Pitbulls are some of the most loyal and stable animals on the planet. If you raise them correctly you will have no more trouble with one than a jack Russell terrier. He or she will adore you. If you want something that is larger look into American bulldogs.
A picture of my pup at 10 months
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123139;image)
The problem with a lot of Johnson breeders is that they only breed for size, weight, and shortness of muzzle. I would hate to have a 150 lb blob who couldn't move, couldn't take the Hawaii humidity because of a short muzzle, and was so undershot that he couldn't hold. I have become a big fan of working Alan Scott/Billy Hines strain. Hines, prior to his death, bred for performance, mainly hog hunting. A lot of his dogs, (Von Sanctuarys Loki, his son Bossman, Bossman's daughter Kombat, Hillbilly, Countryboy, Snowbird) were functionally fantastic dogs that could take down a 400 lb Russian boar, and eat at the dinner table with toddlers. I have two bitches, both descendants of Bossman/Snowflake outcrosses who are low slung, thick, agile, have a five inch muzzle with clean reverse scissors bites, but their heads are wide like a shoe box. They can breathe, move freely, have endurance to do high intensity things for 2-3 hours (weight pulling and protection training) and are docile around friend's and family. I also have a 7/8 Johnson Male out of Mark Landers breeding at MGK. He is the only Johnson breeder putting out hard dogs that are physically functional and "look" the part. (Sure Grip isn't selling dogs anymore, Kyle Symmes is into other breeds now like the rat terrier). If I were to get another Scott Dog, Larry Koura puts out some fantastic dogs, as does Steve LeClerc. They both have Masher/Margentina (Painter) line dogs that are fantastic.
I think the AB is the perfect dog. Like having a bigger pit, they don't come with the typical stereotypes that have given Pits a bad name. When my insurance guy calls to renew my homeowners policy, he still asks if I have Bulldogs. If I had a Rott or a Pit, my rates would have been higher. So a few jackasses spoil it for everyone. Like others here, I love all Molosser breeds. I would love a good Tosa Inu, or a Boerbel, or a Presa Canario. The problem is there aren't that many breeders with which I can trust. The ABA has a great list of breeders who breed for functionality over form. Function is always first, looks second.
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Dog pulling is big here too. Just a week or so ago on Hawaiian Moving Company (tv show) they had a segment on dog pulling. I used to know the guy who puts on those contests. When I had my store I was selling K9RX and he would buy it for his dogs. I think they said the dog that won this year pulled 6500 lbs. unreal
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The problem with a lot of Johnson breeders is that they only breed for size, weight, and shortness of muzzle. I would hate to have a 150 lb blob who couldn't move, couldn't take the Hawaii humidity because of a short muzzle, and was so undershot that he couldn't hold. I have become a big fan of working Alan Scott/Billy Hines strain. Hines, prior to his death, bred for performance, mainly hog hunting. A lot of his dogs, (Von Sanctuarys Loki, his son Bossman, Bossman's daughter Kombat, Hillbilly, Countryboy, Snowbird) were functionally fantastic dogs that could take down a 400 lb Russian boar, and eat at the dinner table with toddlers. I have two bitches, both descendants of Bossman/Snowflake outcrosses who are low slung, thick, agile, have a five inch muzzle with clean reverse scissors bites, but their heads are wide like a shoe box. They can breathe, move freely, have endurance to do high intensity things for 2-3 hours (weight pulling and protection training) and are docile around friend's and family. I also have a 7/8 Johnson Male out of Mark Landers breeding at MGK. He is the only Johnson breeder putting out hard dogs that are physically functional and "look" the part. (Sure Grip isn't selling dogs anymore, Kyle Symmes is into other breeds now like the rat terrier). If I were to get another Scott Dog, Larry Koura puts out some fantastic dogs, as does Steve LeClerc. They both have Masher/Margentina (Painter) line dogs that are fantastic.
I think the AB is the perfect dog. Like having a bigger pit, they don't come with the typical stereotypes that have given Pits a bad name. When my insurance guy calls to renew my homeowners policy, he still asks if I have Bulldogs. If I had a Rott or a Pit, my rates would have been higher. So a few jackasses spoil it for everyone. Like others here, I love all Molosser breeds. I would love a good Tosa Inu, or a Boerbel, or a Presa Canario. The problem is there aren't that many breeders with which I can trust. The ABA has a great list of breeders who breed for functionality over form. Function is always first, looks second.
I agree with alot of your comments. I did not mention the painter lines as most on here would have no clue what I was talking about. I love my AB. I am a fan of the hybrid and Scott type more then the straight johnson. Not a big fan of the pushed in faces.
When I was looking into dogs I was looking at Dogos also. But like you said I could not find a breeder I trusted. ALot of fad breeders out there.
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an animal is still and always will be just that, an animal.and no person can know what an animal will do or how they will react to a certain situation with a 100% accuracy.its true that the owners and proper training go along way in deciding how these animals will behave.a number of cases have been documented of dogs,(animals)(pitbulls),that were raised and trained properly and despite the owners best intentions still ended up attacking someone.the fact of the matter is that a pit bull can be a well behaved dog for years on end with no indication of a problem.and yet still a certain situation can arise that triggers these dogs to act out violently.there is a history of this occuring.thats why insurance is a must (and a law)with these animals.i understand the passion and love that these dog owners,and trainers can have for there pets.however dont let that blind you to the facts that any thing is possible when dealing with an animal.
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an animal is still and always will be just that, an animal.and no person can know what an animal will do or how they will react to a certain situation with a 100% accuracy.its true that the owners and proper training go along way in deciding how these animals will behave.a number of cases have been documented of dogs,(animals)(pitbulls),that were raised and trained properly and despite the owners best intentions still ended up attacking someone.the fact of the matter is that a pit bull can be a well behaved dog for years on end with no indication of a problem.and yet still a certain situation can arise that triggers these dogs to act out violently.there is a history of this occuring.thats why insurance is a must (and a law)with these animals.i understand the passion and love that these dog owners,and trainers can have for there pets.however dont let that blind you to the facts that any thing is possible when dealing with an animal.
This is true of every breed, A pitbull is no more prone to this then any other breed of dog. That "number" of documented cases you speak of is extremely low. I would like to see all these cases. I would also like to see proof that the owners properly socialized the animal. Had him medically checked out regularly and also exercised the animal regularly. Again there is no way to verify these peoples credibility so you are going on hersay. Which most critics of pits do anyway.
Some dogs can have mental issues which cause them to tuen on people. That is not exclusive to pitbulls. They are infact more stable then most dogs. Btw if a dog turns on its owner there is usually a factor that occurs it to happen. Hurt the dog by accident. Play rough. Abuse it. Dogs raised properly so not just turn for fun. That is extremley rare.
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OK, but seriously im moving out within the next few months, Im a young guy just outta school, IM 100% sure that im getting a dog(puppy) and an APBT is my first choice, gowing up my rents never let me have any animals so i have a lot of care to give + my job will allow me to spend almost all day with the dog if need be (around the gym ofcourse)... its athleticism + medium to small size is want really draws me to this breed
those long distance frisbee throws always interested me, they seem like a ton of fun and great excersise for the animal... would an APBT be a good dog for this?
my main question is, how credible are the majority of breeders, should i instead look twards a kennel?... whats the average cost of a puppy APBT... esentially what is some general info B4 the next step
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An American pitbull terrier, American bulldog , German Shepard, Rottweiler or any other dominant breed dog is alot to handle. They are not considered the right fit for novice dog owners. You sound like you have alot of time to dedicate to socialization. But be aware before you get the cute little bully pup that they are ALOT of work. I am not talking black lab pee on your carpet work. I am talking dominant dog who will take control of you if you give him the chance. When I say take control I mean is smart enough to know how to get what he wants when he wants from you. You need to establish you are the leader of the pack and or alpha male when he is a little guy so he will listen to you. If you do not he will grow to assume he is the leader and do as he pleases.That is why pits have a bad name. usually retards with no clue how to raise a dominant breed pup own them. Do not be a retard ;) You have to socialize him with other pups from a young age ( you will get him from the breeder at about 12-16 weeks) so he does not become prone to animal aggression. Pits can be animal aggressive. Trust me you dont want to have to break a pit fighting another pup. Unless it is another pit the other dog will most definatly lose. The biggest and most important thing is to socialize him with other dogs and animals. The second really important i task is to socialize him with people so he becomes comfortable with strangers and also people petting him, getting close to his face etc etc. Another huge thing is bordem. Most all problems arise from one of the three things I listed, You said you have alot of free time so you seem to be aware of this. Working breeds need a ton of exercise. Pits need a ton. Rain ,shine or snow. A bored dominant breed is a problem. They get desructive and jumpy. especially rotts!
If you have enough time to dedicate to the animal then there are a few things you can do to ensure you get a good pup. First off join a popular message forum for whatever breed you like. Research who is a good breeder and who is a scammer. get into the world of pitbulls. Just like there is a BB community there is also a apbt community. Research for a long time. You are going to have to wait anyway. Good breeders have waiting lists. Look up the faults of the particular breed.and if you can when you look at your pup check him out for any noticeable faults. That may not be an option as you may not have a good breeder near you. But I would try to get him or her from a breeder where you can actually look over the pup. If not just research and make certain you are buying from a reputable breeder. Especially with the pits there are alot of scammers out there since they are so popular with rappers and celebs. Pit puppies range from 500 to well over 1000. Blue pits are the most expensive. They are the perfect dogs for things like playing frisbie. They are genetics freaks. Athletic ability you have to see to believe. Same thing with American bulldogs.
If you have never owned a dog like this before be aware what you are getting. Do not buy him just because you think it is cool right now. They are a ton f work and they reward you with love and loyalty like you have never seen before. But please do not get one if you are not going to give 100 percent. He will just end up in a cage waiting to be put to sleep. Like the hundreds of other pits people buy then abandon.
A good choice for a starter dog is a miniature bull terrier. Just like its full size dad but not as much work. If you have the time to put into the pit then get him, You will not be sorry. Just make sure you do your research and raise him right!
If you need anything pm me. Good luck!
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I got this dog from the SPCA when my daughters took me there just to look. It is part PB I think. It was hypr as all hell and fast as anything. It could jump so high. I think it was a PB/Greyhound mix or something like that
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Wood, this video will show you the ability of bully dogs. There is speculation to the breed of this pup. It is believed to be a smaller scott strain American bull. Some scotss only are about 75 lbs. But some people said it was a pit. Either way get ready to see the sickest shit ever.
There is nothing that can come close. Nothing
http://www.break.com/index/superdawg.html
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Wood, this video will show you the ability of bully dogs. There is speculation to the breed of this pup. It is believed to be a smaller scott strain American bull. Some scotss only are about 75 lbs. But some people said it was a pit. Either way get ready to see the sickest shit ever.
There is nothing that can come close. Nothing
http://www.break.com/index/superdawg.html
Working strain Scott dogs can look similar to hybirds. I like the longer working muzzles for just that purpose. If my dogs can't bite and hold, they are worthless. Pig hunting, or protection work, they need to bite and hold. They also need to be agile, fast, flexible to be effective pig hunters. The hybrids and performance johnson strain are better at man work because of the strength factor, but don't last as long. Not to mention short muzzled dogs can be thrown. That is why I keep an MGK male, so if I do want to introduce size, structure, I can. Not to mention there is a demand for large Johnson dogs, so he keeps my hobby money well stocked. MGK dogs hold the record for the 100, 120 lb IWPA classes. They are the best Johnson dogs out since Symmes got out of the business.
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Working strain Scott dogs can look similar to hybirds. I like the longer working muzzles for just that purpose. If my dogs can't bite and hold, they are worthless. Pig hunting, or protection work, they need to bite and hold. They also need to be agile, fast, flexible to be effective pig hunters. The hybrids and performance johnson strain are better at man work because of the strength factor, but don't last as long. Not to mention short muzzled dogs can be thrown. That is why I keep an MGK male, so if I do want to introduce size, structure, I can. Not to mention there is a demand for large Johnson dogs, so he keeps my hobby money well stocked. MGK dogs hold the record for the 100, 120 lb IWPA classes. They are the best Johnson dogs out since Symmes got out of the business.
cool, pm me if you ever have any cool bulldog stories. DO you have any pics of former litters? Or do u just provide stud service?
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cool, pm me if you ever have any cool bulldog stories. DO you have any pics of former litters? Or do u just provide stud service?
This will sound archaic, but I don't know how to post pics. I can email them, so I will PM you, get your email then send them to you directly. I have personally met Mark Landers, Kyle Symmes, Matt Boyd and Billy Hines. All are very geniune. Some are eccentric (As is old man John D from what I have heard). The nicest dogs out are had by Gale Raponi of Tuff E Nuff kennels out of NY. He has working strain Hines dogs that are the super athletes of the canine world. Big, strong, sturdy, can withstand extremes of weather and dead game. (also long lived). Here is a link to Aspenrare kennels which shows the lines of Hines product. http://www.aspenrare.com/BillHines.html
http://hometown.aol.com/tufnufkennels/page11.html. This dog Panda is what I consider to be an "American Bulldog." Blocky, stocky and cocky. I have seen him perform protection work and it is a sight to see. Cross strirated glutes, legs in the dead of winter at 20 below. What an ANIMAL.
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Another huge thing is bordem. Most all problems arise from one of the three things I listed, You said you have alot of free time so you seem to be aware of this. Working breeds need a ton of exercise. Pits need a ton. Rain ,shine or snow. A bored dominant breed is a problem. They get desructive and jumpy. especially rotts!
If you have enough time to dedicate to the animal then there are a few things you can do to ensure you get a good pup. First off join a popular message forum for whatever breed you like. Research who is a good breeder and who is a scammer. get into the world of pitbulls.
although have some free time, its far from a lot... however hopefully movingout will allow me some more, by cutting down my commute time... regardless, im genuinly interested, and committed to learning a lot more about these breeds... the move for me wont happen till June, plus theres no rush, so ive got ample time to research...
Q: do u know of any forums that i could troll or jump onto that would give me good info on breeders that might be in my area.... (NY)...
Q: you did say that looking the dog over B4 a purchase would be the best way to ensure a + result, 2nd would be buying the animal through a good breeder... however i know of a few credible Kennels in my area that allow you to review the dog when it arives B4 purchase... how do those usually match up, especially since im fairly confident they have many of the dogs shipped to them?
i would PM you these Qs if u like, but i fig bumpping this thread is a good thing?
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Gale Raponi is in New York. He has awesome Bulldogs. I would recommend you vist, check out the parents. Most good breeders will x ray their hips. I will look for my temperment testing procedures I got somewhere as well. You also need to know what to look for as far as stifles, feet, jaw, eyes and rib cage.
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American gave some really good advice. Research is the biggest thing when picking a puppy. You need to learn the faults and desirable attributes of the breed. So when you pick your pup you can make the right choice. The hip guarantees are very important. This breed can be prone to hip dysplasia. Most reputable breeders will provide a "full hip guarantee" make sure the breeder is registered and it is always a good sign if the breeders animals compete in agility competitions. Whatever competition the particular breed mainly partakes in. When I bought my guy I found out my breeder was well known in the protection/agility world of American Bulldogs. Which was a good sign she had good lines due to her animals doing well.
You also want to make sure your breeder puts out animals with a good temperament. In an ideal situation you want to be able to pick your pup in person. You can then use your knowledge to make sure you are getting a healthy ,good example of the breed. If this is not an option go through a breeder you have deemed reputable. Watch for people who will sell you puppies with no wait at all. Good breeders ALWAYS have a waiting list. Unless you know a person who can stud for your female.
www.dogresources.com Ton of info on all breeds.
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I hate backyard breeders. >:( >:(. Got a lot them in Baltimore. One guy I used to work with knew someone who was a backyard breeder of Pits. No Hip gaurantees or ideal temperments here.
Sometimes you see Pits running the streets of Baltimore in 2's or fours, just roaming.
Body, it was interesting what you said about Pits being dominant of their owners. I remember this guy had one and he brought it on campus, he was walking the bridge where there are a lot of people, the pit was pulling him, hard...Plus it was very crowded, someone could have stepped on the dog's toes and he would have mauled the person. it looked to be about 90 pounds, the guy was about 5'8 and 150 on a good day. He was a "wannabe"
Same guy did it again, and was escorted by the police off campus. The dog was pulling him again, the dog was pulling so hard it was leaning to the side. No control, and that dog without control would be dangerous.
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This is true of every breed, A pitbull is no more prone to this then any other breed of dog. That "number" of documented cases you speak of is extremely low. I would like to see all these cases. I would also like to see proof that the owners properly socialized the animal. Had him medically checked out regularly and also exercised the animal regularly. Again there is no way to verify these peoples credibility so you are going on hersay. Which most critics of pits do anyway.
Some dogs can have mental issues which cause them to tuen on people. That is not exclusive to pitbulls. They are infact more stable then most dogs. Btw if a dog turns on its owner there is usually a factor that occurs it to happen. Hurt the dog by accident. Play rough. Abuse it. Dogs raised properly so not just turn for fun. That is extremley rare. I agree that all breeds are capable of this that was my point.but just as you point out latter in this thread is that any other dog "would definatly lose"in your own words,aginst a pitbull.so there you have it a toy poodle that goes berzeerk and attacks will not have the same effect as a pit thats attacks.it doesnt make one dog any worse than the other,but the results with one are far worse.
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This is true of every breed, A pitbull is no more prone to this then any other breed of dog. That "number" of documented cases you speak of is extremely low. I would like to see all these cases. I would also like to see proof that the owners properly socialized the animal. Had him medically checked out regularly and also exercised the animal regularly. Again there is no way to verify these peoples credibility so you are going on hersay. Which most critics of pits do anyway.
Some dogs can have mental issues which cause them to tuen on people. That is not exclusive to pitbulls. They are infact more stable then most dogs. Btw if a dog turns on its owner there is usually a factor that occurs it to happen. Hurt the dog by accident. Play rough. Abuse it. Dogs raised properly so not just turn for fun. That is extremley rare. I agree that all breeds are capable of this that was my point.but just as you point out latter in this thread is that any other dog "would definatly lose"in your own words,aginst a pitbull.so there you have it a toy poodle that goes berzeerk and attacks will not have the same effect as a pit thats attacks.it doesnt make one dog any worse than the other,but the results with one are far worse.
Cocker Spaniels are known for being crazy, my cousin had one and it would always ram its head into the wall, chasing lights. I think Cocker Spaniels has the record of biting people the most
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This is true of every breed, A pitbull is no more prone to this then any other breed of dog. That "number" of documented cases you speak of is extremely low. I would like to see all these cases. I would also like to see proof that the owners properly socialized the animal. Had him medically checked out regularly and also exercised the animal regularly. Again there is no way to verify these peoples credibility so you are going on hersay. Which most critics of pits do anyway.
Some dogs can have mental issues which cause them to tuen on people. That is not exclusive to pitbulls. They are infact more stable then most dogs. Btw if a dog turns on its owner there is usually a factor that occurs it to happen. Hurt the dog by accident. Play rough. Abuse it. Dogs raised properly so not just turn for fun. That is extremley rare. I agree that all breeds are capable of this that was my point.but just as you point out latter in this thread is that any other dog "would defiantly lose"in your own words,against a pitbull.so there you have it a toy poodle that goes berzeerk and attacks will not have the same effect as a pit thats attacks.it doesnt make one dog any worse than the other,but the results with one are far worse.
the most aggressive and fight happy dogs are usually small toys. Every time you go to the dog Park what breeds are causing trouble? Small toys that people do not train because they are "cute". A real, full grown pit weighs between 35 and 60 lbs. Your statement is pointless. A dog should not be fighting. If it is the owners are to blame. Proper socialization and upbring remedy this. I had two pits. They never got into a single fight. That is because they where socialized since puppyhood. I made the statement about it being "game over" for another breed if they fight a pit because it is true. If the pit was to start fighting with another dog in the end the other breed would most def lose.That is not because pitbulls are more dangerous or unstable. That is because they are more agile, athletic extremely strong and never quit. Basically just a better athlete with 100000 times the heart.Again that should NEVER happen if there is a responsible owner present. Pits do not go out looking for fights if they are raised correctly. You are implying that since they can do damage they are more dangerous.A 200 lb fila can do more damage to a human then a pitbull can. Well seems to me any dog over 60 lbs would fall under the statement you made.Most the giant breeds could do just as much damage to a smaller animal. If we go by your logic all humans bigger than the average of 5'10 160 lbs should be deemed dangerous. They have more capability to harm people if they choose to get into a fight. Same goes for people with the fastest reflexes and best genetics of the race. More likely to be able to cause harm if they get angry then a smaller less coordinated person.
If you take two dogs. A male black lab and a male pitbull terrier. You do not raise either one of them the correct way. You know which is more dangerous? Neither. Both are equally as dangerous. The only reason you people have the opinion about pits you do is what you see in the news occasionally and urban legands. Pitbulls are owned by crack dealers and thugs now. Who do not raise them correctly and train them into weapons. Same thing happened with Rotts before pits. It will be another breed after this.
If I ever met you I bet I could change your perception on pitbulls in 5 min. You may never like the bred or own on for yourself. But after seeing the pup smile and lick your face happy as hell you would change your opinion. I am not against people not wanting to own pits. Or calling for owners to be responsible. I agree with those statements. Owning a pitbull or any other dog with the capability to harm someone or other animals is a big responsibility. I just get fired up when people call for the whole breed to be killed. It is not the animals fault. People take them and turn them into weapons, force them to fight, abuse them, abandon them. A pitbull is not naturally aggressive to humans. I have stated it over and over. When the pit was used to fight they where bred specifically to be ultra tolerant to people as they handlers did not want to be mauled every time they broke the dogs. There needs to be tougher laws against fighters and irresponsible owners, Only then will we all be happy. There are million of peacefull pitbull owners. Who's dogs are perfectly normal.
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I breed Presa Canrios and love them. they are true protectors and very loyal to everyone in the house. I have raised all my kids with them and have never had even one problem. The breeder or owner determines a lot of the temperment and the whole dog attitude. Ours are handled and fed by kids on a regular basis. We temperment test our dogs and socialize them well. Here is my website. Email if you have any questions. www.theoriginalshogunkennels.com (http://www.theoriginalshogunkennels.com)
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Where did you get the studs? Pm me, I might be interested in checkout out a female. I love the picture of this male I saw awhile back. They are cool pups.
(http://dogbg.net/pictures/Lubopitno/Perro/Perro_de_Presa_Canario1.jpg)
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If you take two dogs. A male black lab and a male pitbull terrier. You do not raise either one of them the correct way. You know which is more dangerous? Neither. Both are equally as dangerous. The only reason you people have the opinion about pits you do is what you see in the news occasionally and urban legands. Pitbulls are owned by crack dealers and thugs now. Who do not raise them correctly and train them into weapons. Same thing happened with Rotts before pits. It will be another breed after this.
just to play devils advocate here... L dawg does make a good point... b/c you do kinda contradict yourself body.... if a pit bull is sooooo much stronger, more agile, and has greater "heart" then any other dog... obviously and attack by one is going to be more brutal... ie.a worse attack.... im not saying they attack more often then other dogs, and neither is L dawg but when they do attack, even if it is less often then other dogs, THAT attack is almost always a worse one
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just to play devils advocate here... L dawg does make a good point... b/c you do kinda contradict yourself body.... if a pit bull is sooooo much stronger, more agile, and has greater "heart" then any other dog... obviously and attack by one is going to be more brutal... ie.a worse attack.... im not saying they attack more often then other dogs, and neither is L dawg but when they do attack, even if it is less often then other dogs, THAT attack is almost always a worse one
Molosser breeds do have the ability to inflict more damage than other breeds, but like as previously mentioned by body, they don't deserve the reputation they get. If we use L's logic, we should take SUVs and heavy duty pickups off of the road because of the damage and potential bodily harm they may cause on subcompacts. Heck, we might as well disarm all armed citizens because potentially they may shoot someone in self defense and end up hurting or "Gasp" kill someone while defending themselves from bodily harm.
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just to play devils advocate here... L dawg does make a good point... b/c you do kinda contradict yourself body.... if a pit bull is sooooo much stronger, more agile, and has greater "heart" then any other dog... obviously and attack by one is going to be more brutal... ie.a worse attack.... im not saying they attack more often then other dogs, and neither is L dawg but when they do attack, even if it is less often then other dogs, THAT attack is almost always a worse one
Read the post more carfully. I do cover this. I cover it several times actually. The part about being attacked by a full grown 200 lb fila mastiff. Then I talk about how a smaller dog being attacked by any of the giant breeds ( filas,Danes,Mastiffs) would be just as devastating as being attacked by a pitbull.
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Molosser breeds do have the ability to inflict more damage than other breeds, but like as previously mentioned by body, they don't deserve the reputation they get. If we use L's logic, we should take SUVs and heavy duty pickups off of the road because of the damage and potential bodily harm they may cause on subcompacts. Heck, we might as well disarm all armed citizens because potentially they may shoot someone in self defense and end up hurting or "Gasp" kill someone while defending themselves from bodily harm.
Exactly. I make this point in my post under different context( I use a human analogy). Carved must not have read the whole thing.
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my point is this.you basiclly are claiming that if properly socialized,properly trained,and properly takin care of,there is no chance of a pitbull attack.im saying i dont care how great you are at training,and how good of a track record of good behaviour a pit has,you cant say with 100% certainty how the animal will react to ever situation that arises.you can lower the risk but never can you do anything to garrantee with100% assurance that you know what the dog(anydog)will handle every situation over the course of the animals life.
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my point is this.you basiclly are claiming that if properly socialized,properly trained,and properly takin care of,there is no chance of a pitbull attack.im saying i dont care how great you are at training,and how good of a track record of good behaviour a pit has,you cant say with 100% certainty how the animal will react to ever situation that arises.you can lower the risk but never can you do anything to garrantee with100% assurance that you know what the dog(anydog)will handle every situation over the course of the animals life.
You have no point. I never basically said anything. That is something you are stating not me. I never made any 100 percent guarantees about anything. A dog is a wild animal you could never 100 percent guarantee anything. A properly trained pitbull has no more of a chance of going off the handle then a properly trained German Shepard. Pitbulls actually temper score better then most all dogs. You knew that tho! nowhere in my post did I allude to, or state there was a 100 percent guarantee a pitbull would never attack. You do not even take the time to read the post. Then come back and post things I never said. Either that or you are a complete meatball and did not comprehend what I wrote. I will assume the first option is what happened. The only statement I made even remotely close to anything you said was the chances of a properly trained pitbull going crazy one day for no reason. Mental issues are not a common thing in any breed of dog so that statement is 100 percent accurate. But that statement has nothing to do with the false things you claim I said.
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i admit i hadnt read the entire post... :-\
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LOL, first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this thread was body's going to have a field day with this one. ;D
me too...You can't argue with the fact that he knows this subject well,as does Traps.
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What kind of dogs are these?
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i admit i hadnt read the entire post... :-\
It's ok, I do it constantly.
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What kind of dogs are these?
Humping dogs (fuckus caninus) ,a very widespread breed.
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me too...You can't argue with the fact that he knows this subject well,as does Traps.
Thanks bro. I am sure people think I am nuts. All I want i fair treatment. i am just as much against irresponsible pit owners as any critic. Most of the time it is not the pitbulls fault. The people who own them do not raise them right, encourage bad behavior ( teach them to be aggressive towards people), do not socialize them, do not feed them correctly, leave wild animals alone with kids and also promote them to fight with other dogs. All these things are disaster for any dominant type breed. Just so happens pitbulls are the new fad to suffer this. You saw a lot of this crap with Rottweilers before the pits became popular.
Here is my solution to keep both sides happy. These rules apply to pitbulls, Dovermans, rottweiler, mastiffs , American bulldogs or any other large dominant type breed.
No convicted felon can own one of these breeds. Unless there is a review or circumstances that would lead one to believe the individual could own one responsibly
All animals must be registered with the city or town
All cornered must be required to have adequate housing and restraint for the animal. Aka a good home and a space the animal can get some exercise. NO chains in the middle of a junk yard ::)
If your animal is found to be roaming or left to his on devices due to negligence then you face a 1000$ fine
Lastly and most importantly. Fighting/abusing dogs should be a mandatory felony. None of this soft shit. make is possesion of a deadly weapon if you are found to have abused/taught a pitbull,Doberman whatever to attack humans. Tack that onto the possesion charges these crack dealers who train pits to protect there drug houses face.The laws are not tough enough. You make it a legit crime when these clowns turn them into weapons. Dog fighters should get a minimun of 3 years.We need make the laws hold the tards who turn these animals in to weapons tougher. Time to start holding the real animals responsible. Which are the bums who take these dogs and make them dangerous.
This is MORE than fair on the millions of responsible pitbull owners part. Same thing with any other dominant dog. mastiff, Doberman Gs etc etc. The retards who call for an entire breed t obe banned have no idea what they are talking about. When the pits get banned the morons will latch on to another breed. Pretty soon it will be illegal to own any breeds over 15 lbs ::) Most of the politicians that call for this crap are looking for a quick way to get come political gain. Play off peoples anger over an isolated incident which 99.9999 percent of the time would have been prevented if the owner was not negligent.
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Thanks bro. I am sure people think I am nuts. All I want i fair treatment. i am just as much against irresponsible pit owners as any critic. Most of the time it is not the pitbulls fault. The people who own them do not raise them right, encourage bad behavior ( teach them to be aggressive towards people), do not socialize them, do not feed them correctly, leave wild animals alone with kids and also promote them to fight with other dogs. All these things are disaster for any dominant type breed. Just so happens pitbulls are the new fad to suffer this. You saw a lot of this crap with Rottweilers before the pits became popular.
Here is my solution to keep both sides happy. These rules apply to pitbulls, Dovermans, rottweiler, mastiffs , American bulldogs or any other large dominant type breed.
No convicted felon can own one of these breeds. Unless there is a review or circumstances that would lead one to believe the individual could own one responsibly
All animals must be registered with the city or town
All cornered must be required to have adequate housing and restraint for the animal. Aka a good home and a space the animal can get some exercise. NO chains in the middle of a junk yard ::)
If your animal is found to be roaming or left to his on devices due to negligence then you face a 1000$ fine
Lastly and most importantly. Fighting/abusing dogs should be a mandatory felony. None of this soft shit. make is possesion of a deadly weapon if you are found to have abused/taught a pitbull,Doberman whatever to attack humans. Tack that onto the possesion charges these crack dealers who train pits to protect there drug houses face.The laws are not tough enough. You make it a legit crime when these clowns turn them into weapons. Dog fighters should get a minimun of 3 years.We need make the laws hold the tards who turn these animals in to weapons tougher. Time to start holding the real animals responsible. Which are the bums who take these dogs and make them dangerous.
This is MORE than fair on the millions of responsible pitbull owners part. Same thing with any other dominant dog. mastiff, Doberman Gs etc etc. The retards who call for an entire breed t obe banned have no idea what they are talking about. When the pits get banned the morons will latch on to another breed. Pretty soon it will be illegal to own any breeds over 15 lbs ::) Most of the politicians that call for this crap are looking for a quick way to get come political gain. Play off peoples anger over an isolated incident which 99.9999 percent of the time would have been prevented if the owner was not negligent.
The problem is you can't legislate stupidity. The liberal mindset of outright banning makes no sense. If you take away all firearms to protect society, you have just legislated disarmament of the law abiding society. Outlaw's by their name implication live outside the law and will not cur to the law of the land. This in effect will leave a disarmed society ripe for the pickings by the outlaws. I don't know about where you live, but the good people of Honlulu Police Department have already proven they can not protect the citizenry from violent attacks. I want to be ready, so don't legislate me. Common sense, unfortunately, is uncommon.
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Good post.
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The problem is you can't legislate stupidity.
NO....but you can sure punish it.
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NO....but you can sure punish it.
Not to a proper extent though.
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Not to a proper extent though.
Someone on here used to have the truest statement ever under their avatar.....something like "We have enough youth,how about a fountain of smart"
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Humping dogs (fuckus caninus) ,a very widespread breed.
lol I just saw that post.
seriously...are these pit bulls or something else?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123851;image)
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I got this pic about a year ago. A pitbull after going at it with a porcupine....look how calm the dog looks, I would never, ever want to fuck with a pitbull.
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i bet a poodle would have done the same thing
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I got this pic about a year ago. A pitbull after going at it with a porcupine....look how calm the dog looks, I would never, ever want to f**k with a pitbull.
OMG!!
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OMG!!
Bull breeds have an incredibly high pain tolerance. This is one of the virtues that I like, but dislike at the same time. They aren't whiny, or needy, but sometimes you don't take them into the vets because they don't complain.
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Bull breeds have an incredibly high pain tolerance. This is one of the virtues that I like, but dislike at the same time. They aren't whiny, or needy, but sometimes you don't take them into the vets because they don't complain.
last night at the dog park my ab ran full tilt directly in to a picnic table. I am talking full boar, flew into it. I thought for sure he injured himself. But, he just got up, shook it off and ran like a bastard across the field. Lol, it was classic.
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last night at the dog park my ab ran full tilt directly in to a picnic table. I am talking full boar, flew into it. I thought for sure he injured himself. But, he just got up, shook it off and ran like a bastard across the field. Lol, it was classic.
I have a 10 month old Hines Bitch that will run full boar into our cement wall (not on purpose, but she is a knucklehead). She shakes her head a couple of times and continues on. This also makes training her harder, because of the high pain tolerance.
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Are the dogs in the humping gif pitbulls?
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I got this pic about a year ago. A pitbull after going at it with a porcupine....look how calm the dog looks, I would never, ever want to f**k with a pitbull.
you say calm i say sedated
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I have a 10 month old Hines Bitch that will run full boar into our cement wall (not on purpose, but she is a knucklehead). She shakes her head a couple of times and continues on. This also makes training her harder, because of the high pain tolerance.
My daughter had a 245 lb Mastiff named Meathead. It was absoulutely the biggest dog I have ever seen. The day I went to her house when I was in La I drove up and it was out front. It stuck it head in my door window when standing on all four feet. His head was almost as big as the window. He was enormous. One day (after that) my daughter had a bird in a cage in her window at home. She came home went to her room and the cage was torn apart and the bird was gone. The window was all shattered and everything. Meathead jumped threw the window and ate the bird. She went looking for him and found him in the garage. He had chewed through the door from the laundry room into the garage. He was jsut laying there all happy she said. That dog was unreal. He actually killed a fox that came into the backyard too. He would eat through the water hose and even the cable TV wires. He would bite the chain link fence so much he would make a big enough hold so he could go through it. They finally had to give him away. He became a guard dog at a car dealership in Palmdale. For sheer size and strength he was king. I am going to see if she has any pics of him
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That would be cool to see Only...my next dog is going to be a Mastiff so lets see those pics!!
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My daughter had a 245 lb Mastiff named Meathead. It was absoulutely the biggest dog I have ever seen. The day I went to her house when I was in La I drove up and it was out front. It stuck it head in my door window when standing on all four feet. His head was almost as big as the window. He was enormous. One day (after that) my daughter had a bird in a cage in her window at home. She came home went to her room and the cage was torn apart and the bird was gone. The window was all shattered and everything. Meathead jumped threw the window and ate the bird. She went looking for him and found him in the garage. He had chewed through the door from the laundry room into the garage. He was jsut laying there all happy she said. That dog was unreal. He actually killed a fox that came into the backyard too. He would eat through the water hose and even the cable TV wires. He would bite the chain link fence so much he would make a big enough hold so he could go through it. They finally had to give him away. He became a guard dog at a car dealership in Palmdale. For sheer size and strength he was king. I am going to see if she has any pics of him
Pup was animal aggressive. Lack of socialization will cause that. A dog can mistake a small running child for a small animal.Then you have big problems. Socialization is very important (especially for extremely large dogs with a strong prey drive) If you own a dog like that and do not properly socialize and train him it makes it harder for the responsible owners out there. Glad she gave him away and he is doing well guarding. No offense.
Btw ,what type of Mastiff was it? 245 lbs ridiculously big even for a mastiff.
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He must be talking about the English Mastiff Body88....those dogs grow to be very big even bigger then my biggest Mastino... :o
The next dog i will buy will be a English Mastiff...
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Here are some samle pictures of the english mastiff...
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Thoase pups are huge. Look like awesome dog's. Like a horse lol.Check out the American Mastiff. Same idea, minus the drooling. Both are gigantic.
(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images10/American%20Mastiff%20NEIL%20AT%20ONE%20YEAR%20LOOK%20AT%20LUCKY.jpg)
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He must be talking about the English Mastiff Body88....those dogs grow to be very big even bigger then my biggest Mastino... :o
The next dog i will buy will be a English Mastiff...
Yes I think you are correct. The English mastiff is a fine dog. How is your pup? Did you see in my pat's thread the American and British flags being flown together ? I took that pic for you to see!
Also, 50 percent of the tourists who visit Boston are from the UK.
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The head vet where my girlfriend works brings her mastiff to work every day and that thing is about the same size, i think i brought it on the scale one time and it was 244 or 247 lbs. Ridiculously strong, yet calm and collected dog. i played tug of war with it and him and it might have been the best lat workout i've ever had.
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My puppy is 81 lbs and takes monster dumps twice per day. I can only imagine cleaning up after a 250 lb English mastiff :o
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My puppy is 81 lbs and takes monster dumps twice per day. I can only imagine cleaning up after a 250 lb English mastiff :o
How much dog food he go through per week?
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How much dog food he go through per week?
3 cups in the am. 3 cups at night. He goes through a large bag every 5 or six weeks. He is lean and growing right now. I can just see the slightest hint of his ribs when he walks. Which is about the perfect condition. He has a good deal of muscle at this point. I think he will gain another 10 - 15. He will grow until he is 3 years old.
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Yes I think you are correct. The English mastiff is a fine dog. How is your pup? Did you see in my pat's thread the American and British flags being flown together ? I took that pic for you to see!
Also, 50 percent of the tourists who visit Boston are from the UK.
My dog is doing fine .. she's cruising through life without any troubles so i'm happy!
Give me a link on the thread you are talking about and i'll will check it out .. ;)
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My dog is doing fine .. she's cruising through life without any troubles so i'm happy!
Give me a link on the thread you are talking about and i'll will check it out .. ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=110345.0
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Pup was animal aggressive. Lack of socialization will cause that. A dog can mistake a small running child for a small animal.Then you have big problems. Socialization is very important (especially for extremely large dogs with a strong prey drive) If you own a dog like that and do not properly socialize and train him it makes it harder for the responsible owners out there. Glad she gave him away and he is doing well guarding. No offense.
Btw ,what type of Mastiff was it? 245 lbs ridiculously big even for a mastiff.
Mastiffs have incredible bite strength, they are physically strong as well. They don't have the agility, endurance and drive of an AB, which is why I got an AB years ago instead of an English Mastiff. Not to mention the breeder I was talking to in Temecula's male was 255, the bitch 220. I didn't want to have to feed a 220 lb monster, nor pick up it's poop. With the proliferation of APBTs in Hawaii, I wanted a dog that could handle an aggressive APBT (who used to beat the snot out of my Lab), and guard the house. So AB it was.
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Mastiffs have incredible bite strength, they are physically strong as well. They don't have the agility, endurance and drive of an AB, which is why I got an AB years ago instead of an English Mastiff. Not to mention the breeder I was talking to in Temecula's male was 255, the bitch 220. I didn't want to have to feed a 220 lb monster, nor pick up it's poop. With the proliferation of APBTs in Hawaii, I wanted a dog that could handle an aggressive APBT (who used to beat the snot out of my Lab), and guard the house. So AB it was.
I assumed Only was referring to a bullmastiff. English mastiffs are pretty rare in the us. I have seen one in my entire life. Have you ever seen a dogo? Those are nice pups also.
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I assumed Only was referring to a bullmastiff. English mastiffs are pretty rare in the us. I have seen one in my entire life. Have you ever seen a dogo? Those are nice pups also.
No way a bullmastiff can weigh that much Body88... :o
Maybe he was talking about an American Mastiff? They look alot like the English Mastiff...
ps: i will check that link out thanks... ;)
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Thanks for the link man but you got me all confused now... :-\
Why am i watching pictures of two flags again?... ???
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No way a bullmastiff can weigh that much Body88... :o
Maybe he was talking about an American Mastiff? They look alot like the English Mastiff...
ps: i will check that link out thanks... ;)
Only just said mastiff and did not specify which type. So I assumed the most common one. Def was an American or English. Those suckers get huge.
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Thanks for the link man but you got me all confused now... :-\
Why am i watching pictures of two flags again?... ???
You are from England correct?
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You are from England correct?
Hahaaaaa no man i'm from The Netherlands .... ;D
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Hahaaaaa no man i'm from The Netherlands .... ;D
Lo, I assumed you where from the UK due to your handle. Whoops?
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Lo, I assumed you where from the UK due to your handle. Whoops?
England lies in Europe these days?
No worrys .. ;)
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England lies in Europe these days?
No worrys .. ;)
No, but we call Brits euros over here. I forget not everyone uses the same slang. Brain fart, my bad!
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big pit :D
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That has american bulldog in it. You can tell by the chest and hindquarters. Big boy none the less. A full grown pit should be 70 lbs at the absolute largest imo.
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That has american bulldog in it. You can tell by the chesy and hindquarters. Big boy none the less. A full grown pit should be 70 lbs at the absolute largest.
Not according to the UKC judge i talked to. He said he will look at pits up to 85 pounds and consider them to meet "current" breed standards. that said, yes, the above dog does have some american bully in him, probably "alpahala blue blood" bull dog blood. I've found thru research that these dogs are very commonly mixed with pits to create a large, large dog.
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That has american bulldog in it. You can tell by the chesy and hindquarters. Big boy none the less. A full grown pit should be 70 lbs at the absolute largest.
exactly what i want... however im finding that its super tough to find respectable breeders that will almost guarentee 70lbs and under... especially in the NY area... every kennel has MONSTER, MOBSTER, or CRUSHER in front of "pit bull"...
these are two breeders that seem to have the look and size i think im looking for that are also within drivin distance of me
http://www.uberkennels.com/males.htm
http://bosdogkennels.com/dog/coast-east-kennel-pitbull.html
body, i know you had said it would be best to look over the pup b4 purchase, but many kennels say theyll provide pictures, and updates of the pups... whats ur opinion on that?... and how do pups usually respond to being shipped?
and yes i know what uber means
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Not according to the UKC judge i talked to. He said he will look at pits up to 85 pounds and consider them to meet "current" breed standards. that said, yes, the above dog does have some american bully in him, probably "alpahala blue blood" bull dog blood. I've found thru research that these dogs are very commonly mixed with pits to create a large, large dog.
A pitbull in true form should be between 35 and 70 lbs. They may now be recognized to be shown at a higher weight but fighters would never use a dog that large. Which is good, we need more 70 plus pound pits so fighters do not want them!
Little out of touch with the showing of pits. I still was under the impression pits where not recognized to be shown in shows. I thought it was only staffy's still!
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exactly what i want... however im finding that its super tough to find respectable breeders that will almost guarentee 70lbs and under... especially in the NY area... every kennel has MONSTER, MOBSTER, or CRUSHER in front of "pit bull"...
these are two breeders that seem to have the look and size i think im looking for that are also within drivin distance of me
http://www.uberkennels.com/males.htm
http://bosdogkennels.com/dog/coast-east-kennel-pitbull.html
body, i know you had said it would be best to look over the pup b4 purchase, but many kennels say theyll provide pictures, and updates of the pups... whats ur opinion on that?... and how do pups usually respond to being shipped?
and yes i know what uber means
You might want to look at a standard /Scott American bulldog. If you stick with the pit just research and talk to breeders.
My opinion on buying a puppy is, if you can look the pup over in person that is the best bet. Make your pick in person if possible. If that is not an option just research a lot and buy from a reputable breeder with hip and health guarantees.Both those pits look good. I have no idea about the breeders.
Take a look at this scott/hines strain American bull. A pure Scott looks has a bit longer nose. They look like big pits.
(http://bulldogbreeds.com/breeders/pics/port_city_american_bulldogs.jpg)
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A pitbull in true form should be between 35 and 70 lbs. They may now be recognized to be shown at a higher weight but fighters would never use a dog that large. Which is good, we need more 70 plus pound pits!
Little out of touch with the showing of pits. I still was under the impression pits where not recognized to be shown in shows. I thought it was only staffy's still!
The AKC does not recognize the american pit bull terrier but the UKC does. The big dog shows are not run by the UKC though and therefore when we watch the westminster or the eukanuba we only see "staffies."
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The AKC does not recognize the american pit bull terrier but the UKC does. The big dog shows are not run by the UKC though and therefore when we watch the westminster or the eukanuba we only see "staffies."
Right, that was as much as I knew about showing pits. I figured the ukc showed them but was not sure. I was never much into the showing side of things.
Thanks for the update traps. I am going to read up on it. Btw carved traps can help you also. He knows a ton about pits and has great information.
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Btw carved traps can help you also. He knows a ton about pits and has great information.
awesome, thanks for the info guys, this thread is turning out to be a great source... i had originally looked inot the ABs but didnt realize how large some of them could become... there really is a big dif between owning a 120lb dog and a 70lb dog... ist there?... which is why ive now been trying to limit my search to APBT breeders that try to stay as close to standard as possible...
that pic of the scott AB, is incredible.... look at the vien from his ear that runs down into his chest.... amazing
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You are making the right decision. Stick to the original breed standard. If you look more into Scott American bulls let me know.
Either way, just do research and you will be good to go.
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I know its tempting to go to a breeder, but i gaurantee that your local SPCA or BADRAP.ORG have some great APBT right in the size you are looking for.
That being said, go to game-dog.com and i am sure you can get some fine information about breeders in your area.
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I know its tempting to go to a breeder, but i gaurantee that your local SPCA or BADRAP.ORG have some great APBT right in the size you are looking for.
That being said, go to game-dog.com and i am sure you can get some fine information about breeders in your area.
Very true. You can find fantastic pits at the spca.
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I jst asked my daughter and she said Meathead was Old English Mastiff. Her mom breeds Labradors. I am getting some pics of him if she has them. Hopefully they are when he was big
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awesome, thanks for the info guys, this thread is turning out to be a great source... i had originally looked inot the ABs but didnt realize how large some of them could become... there really is a big dif between owning a 120lb dog and a 70lb dog... ist there?... which is why ive now been trying to limit my search to APBT breeders that try to stay as close to standard as possible...
that pic of the scott AB, is incredible.... look at the vien from his ear that runs down into his chest.... amazing
I've got two Scott/Hines bitches. One a six year old 90 lb dog, and her 10 month old granddaughter who is 78 lbs. Both are great animals, EXTREMELY high prey drives, EXTREMELY high pain tolerance, EXTREMELY athletic, EXTREME endurance, and loyal to the end. Did I also say that the line from Loki's Von Sanctuary/Bossman/Kombat have proven to be DEAD game. That is what I want in a dog.
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Did I also say that the line from Loki's Von Sanctuary/Bossman/Kombat have proven to be DEAD game.
confused as to what this means
another q for anyone: whats the deal with cropping the ears... can you opt not to crop a dogs ears?
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that dog is not an american pit bull terrier. It is a "cur" or essentially a dog that has been bred for size. Pretty dog yes, but hardly of the athletic nature of an american pit bull terrier.
That is absolutely not a pit, looks more like an English Staffordshire Bull Terrier with cropped ears and huge and a little short and stocky. Very nice looking dog all the same. I breed English Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
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Don't do it. There is no need for it. It was done with pits so there ears would not be ripped off in fights. No need for it now. I was going to do it but, I decided against it. Glad I did not do it, it is unnecessary.
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That is absolutely not a pit, looks more like an English Staffordshire Bull Terrier with cropped ears and huge and a little short and stocky. Very nice looking dog all the same. I breed English Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
That is a pit with some American bull bred into it for size.
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confused as to what this means
another q for anyone: whats the deal with cropping the ears... can you opt not to crop a dogs ears?
Speaking of a dogs lineage.
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Speaking of a dogs lineage.
but "dead game"
yeah, always kinda liked the non cropped look more....
found this video...
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... wow
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same guys, but even more amazing... at the end they do this thing they call "the circle of trust" is that there bare hands?
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That is a pit with some American bull bred into it for size.
Sorry have to totally disagree with you here, it would be taller if it had American in it!!
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3 cups in the am. 3 cups at night. He goes through a large bag every 5 or six weeks. He is lean and growing right now. I can just see the slightest hint of his ribs when he walks. Which is about the perfect condition. He has a good deal of muscle at this point. I think he will gain another 10 - 15. He will grow until he is 3 years old.
Damn,I figured it would be much more than that.Probably a good thing you are regulating it.Something tells me that if you just left a full bowl all the time,like many people do,that moose would eat you into the poor house. ;) hahaha
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Lol, you are right on that one. He gets some snack also so I figure with his current condition and growth pattern he is eating just about the perfect amount.
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Sorry have to totally disagree with you here, it would be taller if it had American in it!!
You could be right. But, American bulls vary in height also. Some Scott's are rather tall while others strains can be more compact(especially hybrids). Take a look at my johnson/Scott pup. He is 10 months old here.About 90% of his full height. He weighs 81 lbs in this picture. He will gain another 10 - 15 lbs. Either way we can agree that pit had something bred into its lines for size. Can you post some pics of your studs and pups? I was looking into a miniature bull terrier. Female.
I wonder how big my pup will get. His sire is around 95 lbs. american bulls are not full gorwn until almost 3 years old!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123139;image)
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I fucking love the way he looks like hes your best friend and companion but he will give his life for you if he had to...awsume!
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I fucking love the way he looks like hes your best friend and companion but he will give his life for you if he had to...awsume!
Thanks for the compliment bro. Frankie is all smiles and genuinely loves people. He is very close to me and you can tell he has formed a strong bond, since I picked him up when he was a baby. He loves to investigate. The greatest companion I could have wished for.
What you said is 100 percent correct. When I am watching TV he lays between me and the door always. He protects my girlfriend the same way. He will come right up and lay next to me putting his head on my arm. But if there is the slightest noise outside, he is up and on full guard. If someone knocks at the door it sounds like there is a full grown grizzly behind the door. But when he investigates and sees the situation is accepted by me, he is all smiles and goofing around again.
He absolutely loves my 4 year old nephew. He thinks he is his littermate. he will be 1 year old next month. The second growth spurt is coming. I am interested to see the changes he will go through.
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what kind of food do you use body? We use the raw instincts kind, its expensive as shit, but well worth it.
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Natural choice, chicken, rice and outmeal formula. Sometimes I let him have raw meals. I think it is about 33 bucks for the large breed puppy formula.
Is the brand you posted about available at petco?
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You could be right. But, American bulls vary in height also. Some Scott's are rather tall while others strains can be more compact(especially hybrids). Take a look at my johnson/Scott pup. He is 10 months old here.About 90% of his full height. He weighs 81 lbs in this picture. He will gain another 10 - 15 lbs. Either way we can agree that pit had something bred into its lines for size. Can you post some pics of your studs and pups? I was looking into a miniature bull terrier. Female.
I wonder how big my pup will get. His sire is around 95 lbs. american bulls are not full gorwn until almost 3 years old!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?
action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123139;image)
Ooohhh he is soooo cute!
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Natural choice, chicken, rice and outmeal formula. Sometimes I let him have raw meals. I think it is about 33 bucks for the large breed puppy formula.
Is the brand you posted about available at petco?
Its available at pet food express, so i would assume its available at petco.
Natural choice is good though.
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You could be right. But, American bulls vary in height also. Some Scott's are rather tall while others strains can be more compact(especially hybrids). Take a look at my johnson/Scott pup. He is 10 months old here.About 90% of his full height. He weighs 81 lbs in this picture. He will gain another 10 - 15 lbs. Either way we can agree that pit had something bred into its lines for size. Can you post some pics of your studs and pups? I was looking into a miniature bull terrier. Female.
I wonder how big my pup will get. His sire is around 95 lbs. american bulls are not full gorwn until almost 3 years old!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=123139;image)
Hybrid (if 3/8, 5/8) should come in at 100-110 lbs. Nice dog. Is he severly undershot, or does he have a nice reverse scissors?
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Hybrid (if 3/8, 5/8) should come in at 100-110 lbs. Nice dog. Is he severly undershot, or does he have a nice reverse scissors?
Looks like just the angle of the photo to me, I was thinking the same thing but if you have a closer look the canines are definately pointing up not out
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Angle of the photo.
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jess biel... distancing herself from the competition
(http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/images/bigimages/jessica_biel_dog_images_9_big.jpg)
(http://www.sybillesasse.com/tuna/jessica_biel_5_big.jpg)
she also owns a brown pit
(http://www.pornspirit.net/celeb/Jessica-Biel/Jessica-Biel-3.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album23/jessica-biel-06150604.jpg)
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bump
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She has just become more attractive because of her choice in dogs.
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Anyone here a Presa Canario fan?
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Anyone here a Presa Canario fan?
is that a dog type
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Yes, they are great dogs. They are not for a novice owner tho. You need to know how to raise a k9 if you want one of these. They should really be on farms and places with alot of land They are very rare. Sanders is a good kennel for them. Mike Vick and Shannon Sharp got pups from them if I remember correctly. Other famous people also.
(http://www.sanderskennels.com/02-19-05%20060%20presa%20canario.jpg)
(http://www.sanderskennels.com/Upcoming/5-7-06%20097%20copy%20presa%20canario.jpg)
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Anyone here a Presa Canario fan?
I am.
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the forearms on that dog are incredible
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Presa's are really sweet and playful as long as you show that you aren't intimidated or cautious around them. They are really sensitive dogs and catch on very quickly to uneasiness. I've encountered about 4 in my life, and never found them to be as intimidating as they were portrayed to be, they are just kinda... looking to the humans for an "ok" on everything. Its like they constantly need reassurance. I played with one that the SPCA had up here and man was that dog an athlete... unbelievably fast, strong and agile. They'll do absolutely anything for food and really like to stay close to their owners. They're as loyal as a APBT, but needier. Like Body said, they're not for the novice owner and do need lots of land and exercise. Another great dog that got its rep destroyed when those weirdos up here in SF had their presas attack that lesbian lacrosse coach from St. Mary's. Ever since then whenever you bring up the word presa, people always talk about how "evil" they are.
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the forearms on that dog are incredible
haha i was thinking the same thing, the front legs are thick as..
what a nice looking dog
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Presas are confident in their size too. They understand that they are powerful, and don't feel the need to prove it. (from what I hear, I don't own one yet...). So, they don't typically lash out, unless they or the family is attacked.
You can find some training videos online for them that are pretty crazy.
One particular one that I like is where an "intruder" is waving his arms, and yelling at a presa through an open car window. The dog barks, but doesn't move no matter how much the guy yells and waives. But, the moment the guy touches the car, the dog attacks.
You can see how powerful they are in some of the attack scenes too.
Here's a pic of the "Red Star Girls"
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Presa's are really sweet and playful as long as you show that you aren't intimidated or cautious around them. They are really sensitive dogs and catch on very quickly to uneasiness. I've encountered about 4 in my life, and never found them to be as intimidating as they were portrayed to be, they are just kinda... looking to the humans for an "ok" on everything. Its like they constantly need reassurance. I played with one that the SPCA had up here and man was that dog an athlete... unbelievably fast, strong and agile. They'll do absolutely anything for food and really like to stay close to their owners. They're as loyal as a APBT, but needier. Like Body said, they're not for the novice owner and do need lots of land and exercise. Another great dog that got its rep destroyed when those weirdos up here in SF had their presas attack that lesbian lacrosse coach from St. Mary's. Ever since then whenever you bring up the word presa, people always talk about how "evil" they are.
Ignorance is bliss my friend.
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Bump for a great thread and a great dog.... ;)
These are some AB from Belgium...
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That second johnson is a big bull!!! He has the same markings as my pup!
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I know this is a pitbull thread, but where can one find a greyhound pups? I work with a guy who got his greyhound after it retired from the track, he said grey hound pups are so rare, its like they don't exist.
I was just curious that's all. My dad used have one as a kid.
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You can try this site to get some info.
http://www.dogresources.com/
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also amazing dogs.... just dont know if i could keep up with the shedding...
:-[
(http://www.we-love-dogz.com/siberian-husky.jpg)
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11 months old!
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11 months old!
:( This thread makes me want a bull dog......somehow I don't think my cat would agree.
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Euro that white dog is unreal. What a stud
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Why? They could be great friends. If you rasie him or her from a pup they will be ok! I say get one!
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Why? They could be great friends. If you rasie him or her from a pup they will be ok! I say get one!
hahaha I took my little kitten to my parents house a few weeks before they had their dog put down. Like I said before he was old and blind,but his nose worked.I had to laugh when he was investigating the strange creature I brought over...and got his nose swatted by the cat. ;D He was like "woooof wooof woof wooof !!!" in all directions hahaha he didn't know what got him but he was gona whoop it's ass....If and when he found it. He was a Lhasa Apso so he was not a big dog...but he sure THOUGHT he was.
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Euro that white dog is unreal. What a stud
Yeah i know...i took those pictures from a breeder's website....you don't come a cross much better examples of a great AB then that white one...
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11 months old!
Wow, he is looking great. I am not a real fan of the large Johnson dogs. They are great to look at, but sacrafice functional ability for all that mass. Much like the Ronnie Coleman of the molosers.
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question: females vs males.. are advantages to dis. ad. to either?... wat do u guys have and why?
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female urine will kill your lawn, and they can be a bit more territorial from what i have noticed... but dogs are dogs and take on your traits more than that of a certain sex, especially if they are fixed/spayed. Males seem to have more energy and need more exercise.
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Males can be a bit more aggressive. They are also a more dominant. These things will not be a problem with proper socialization and training. Go with whatever you like better.
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Males can be a bit more aggressive. They are also a more dominant.
I guess its opinion, but i've found the females at the SPCA harder to train than the males, and usually a bit more pushy, but i guess its a case by case scenario.
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I guess its opinion, but i've found the females at the SPCA harder to train than the males, and usually a bit more pushy, but i guess its a case by case scenario.
I dunno? I have found/read typically the most aggressive dogs are untrained, intact, dominant males.
I am going by literature mostly. I have been in contact with both. But, you ob have been in contact with many more working at the SPCA.
With the testosterone a young male produces I do not know how a female could be more aggressive if both where unsocialized and aggressive.
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I dunno? I have found/read typically the most aggressive dogs are untrained, intact, dominant males.
I am going by literature mostly. I have been in contact with both. But, you ob have been in cotact with many more working at the SPCA.
i just help there occasionaly, its the woman who works there ;). I guess, yes, "intact" males is another story, but usually the ones i get to play with are definetely not intact 8)
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i just help there occasionaly, its the woman who works there ;). I guess, yes, "intact" males is another story, but usually the ones i get to play with are definetely not intact 8)
Gotcha. In that case I can defiantly see what you mean. That is cool you help out down there. I hope things pan out for you. You would make a great officer!
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Go with whatever you like better.
ok but what have you guys had... i mean its a dog so whats their to "like" one way or the other... i mean the "idea" of having a male friend seems like a tighter relationship.... but its not a human, hes not your "boy"... hes your animal...
i always wanted a male for this reason...
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He will be much more than an animal. Pitbulls are like humans. If you want a larger dog go with the male. If you want a more streamlined softer look go with the female.
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well in terms of athletic ability... like humans are the males superior in capability?
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For the most part. Males are bigger and more muscular. There are big females also. They are just as agile and all that. Generally the males are bigger. If you want a super athletic dog, go with a 50 - 70 lb male.
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For the most part. Males are bigger and more muscular. There are big females also. They are just as agile and all that. Generally the males are bigger. If you want a super athletic dog, go with a 50 - 70 lb male.
Keep in mind though that 50-70 lbs of pit bull is a lot to handle regardless of the sex.
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Traps speaks the truth carved. Again, if you go with a pit that big make sure you have the time to bring him/her up correctly.
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well in terms of athletic ability... like humans are the males superior in capability?
Billy Hines used females almost excluxively on boar hunts. They tended to be smaller, more agile, and instinctively knew when to break off a boars ear if the going got rough. Males would hang in there, even if it meant risking critical injury. I find females easier to train. Males are constantly testing, even when they are fixed. So if you get a good, game male prepare to step up.
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Billy Hines used females almost excluxively on boar hunts. They tended to be smaller, more agile, and instinctively knew when to break off a boars ear if the going got rough. Males would hang in there, even if it meant risking critical injury. I find females easier to train. Males are constantly testing, even when they are fixed. So if you get a good, game male prepare to step up.
Good post. I agree that females are easier to train/handle. I find my AB is constantly testing me. For example he knows he is not supposed to go into the trash and pull things out. Remember my pup has been through alot of training. He is obedient and knows who the boss is. But, I still catch him testing me.
He recently was caught in the trash trying to steal the cardboard tube that papertowel comes wrapped on. I normally say "leave it" in a stern voice and when he drops the item I crate him for a few min to let him know he has been bad.
Well, this time he decided he would role onto his back and make a cute face at me. This one time I walked over, took the tube and did not crate him. Remember this is one time I did not crate him out of about a hundred times. I corrected him but did not punish him with separation from my girlfriend and I in his crate.
Now anytime I reprimand him he is on his back making cute faces. He found a weakness and is trying to exploit it. Ob it does not work and he is back to the drawing board. But, it is amazing how intelligent dominant breeds are. They will test you, Even if they are trained.
My guy is always testing me. Trying to run infront of me when we walk outside. Pushing me out of the way if he wants his bone. Things like that. Testing to see if I am still the alpha I know what he is doing so it is easy for me to correct the behavior. But, a person who is a novice dog owner does not understand a lot of the time what there pup is doing when he is testing them. That is how the dog becomes the alpha and starts to run you!
Carved you seem to be into doing research. You also seem to understand you will need a lot of time to socialize and train your pup. But, like American said. If you get a real, pure bred, game pit. Get ready to step your game up.
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Good post. I agree that females are easier to train/handle. I find my AB is constantly testing me. For example he knows he is not supposed to go into the trash and pull things out. Remember my pup has been through alot of training. He is obedient and knows who the boss is. But, I still catch him testing me.
He recently was caught in the trash trying to steal the cardboard tube that papertowel comes wrapped on. I normally say "leave it" in a stern voice and when he drops the item I crate him for a few min to let him know he has been bad.
Well, this time he decided he would role onto his back and make a cute face at me. This one time I walked over, took the tube and did not crate him. Remember this is one time I did not crate him out of about a hundred times. I corrected him but did not punish him with separation from my girlfriend and I in his crate.
Now anytime I reprimand him he is on his back making cute faces. He found a weakness and is trying to exploit it. Ob it does not work and he is back to the drawing board. But, it is amazing how intelligent dominant breeds are. They will test you, Even if they are trained.
My guy is always testing me. Trying to run infront of me when we walk outside. Pushing me out of the way if he wants his bone. Things like that. Testing to see if I am still the alpha I know what he is doing so it is easy for me to correct the behavior. But, a person who is a novice dog owner does not understand a lot of the time what there pup is doing when he is testing them. That is how the dog becomes the alpha and starts to run you!
Carved you seem to be into doing research. You also seem to understand you will need a lot of time to socialize and train your pup. But, like American said. If you get a real, pure bred, game pit. Get ready to step your game up.
You'd also better make sure everyone in the household is not squeamish to do the same. My wife makes sure she is the first person down the stairs, first out the door. She is not above standing over our 9 month bitch, (even though that dog is 90 lbs of muscle and bone). If you get a bull breed, be prepared to be consistent, and firm. I caught our pup trying to mount my 2 year old. She got the beating of her life. Also the pinch collar and "neck breakers" have become our pup's intimate friend. Some people think it is cruelty, trust me, it doesn't hurt them.
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Beating?
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You'd also better make sure everyone in the household is not squeamish to do the same. My wife makes sure she is the first person down the stairs, first out the door. She is not above standing over our 9 month bitch, (even though that dog is 90 lbs of muscle and bone). If you get a bull breed, be prepared to be consistent, and firm. I caught our pup trying to mount my 2 year old. She got the beating of her life. Also the pinch collar and "neck breakers" have become our pup's intimate friend. Some people think it is cruelty, trust me, it doesn't hurt them.
I'd watch yourself if you are literally "beating" your dog. You're going to end up creating a vicious animal, getting someone hurt or landing yourself in jail. The terminology you've referenced also does not indicate you are well versed in proper training or proper maturity levels of owning a bull breed. The more you use terminology like this, the more you are perpetuating the stereotype that you're using your dog to look tough etc etc etc. The proper term is not "neck breaker" its a "pop-correction." If you use the word "correction" after popping the collar hard enough to make them yelp a little (yes, it does hurt them) it is effective and they respond to you not out of fear of pain or repriesal, but because they feel they have let you down. train properly or you will end up with a lawsuit.
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I'd watch yourself if you are literally "beating" your dog. You're going to end up creating a vicious animal, getting someone hurt or landing yourself in jail. The terminology you've referenced also does not indicate you are well versed in proper training or proper maturity levels of owning a bull breed. The more you use terminology like this, the more you are perpetuating the stereotype that you're using your dog to look tough etc etc etc. The proper term is not "neck breaker" its a "pop-correction." If you use the word "correction" after popping the collar hard enough to make them yelp a little (yes, it does hurt them) it is effective and they respond to you not out of fear of pain or repriesal, but because they feel they have let you down. train properly or you will end up with a lawsuit.
Word!
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I'd watch yourself if you are literally "beating" your dog. You're going to end up creating a vicious animal, getting someone hurt or landing yourself in jail. The terminology you've referenced also does not indicate you are well versed in proper training or proper maturity levels of owning a bull breed. The more you use terminology like this, the more you are perpetuating the stereotype that you're using your dog to look tough etc etc etc. The proper term is not "neck breaker" its a "pop-correction." If you use the word "correction" after popping the collar hard enough to make them yelp a little (yes, it does hurt them) it is effective and they respond to you not out of fear of pain or repriesal, but because they feel they have let you down. train properly or you will end up with a lawsuit.
Beating=sharp correction with me standing over her. Neck breakers is a term Mike Harlow used to describe the "pop correction." I have a couple of his videos. I have already put down dogs that show (not encouraged) aggression (one bit a child), and by golly, no animal will ever attempt to show dominance over my two year old. So for all the extremely, politically correct people, I make a correction. (Not a neck breaker)
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Thanks for clearing that up. We deal with alot of people throwing things out there that are not true about pits and american bulls. Did not mean to offend you. Just making sure.
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I don't know shit about dogs,other than they bark. But I have seen more males that were aggresive than females.Just like humans...IN GENERAL,men are more aggresive than women.
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I don't know shit about dogs,other than they bark. But I have seen more males that were aggresive than females.Just like humans...IN GENERAL,men are more aggresive than women.
This is true. Testosterone is a heeleva substance.
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I don't know shit about dogs,other than they bark. But I have seen more males that were aggresive than females.Just like humans...IN GENERAL,men are more aggresive than women.
I think I have already mentioned on here that I show and breed Staffordshire Bull Terriers and in my experience our males will normally fight about a toy, a piece of food, or a girl in season. Our females will fight if the wind changes. I guess that is common in humans as well. But I do find that they all do the same amount of damage to each other in a fight!! No pretty.
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females will fight if the wind changes.
What a bunch of bitches.
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Good post. I agree that females are easier to train/handle. I find my AB is constantly testing me. For example he knows he is not supposed to go into the trash and pull things out. Remember my pup has been through alot of training. He is obedient and knows who the boss is. But, I still catch him testing me.
He recently was caught in the trash trying to steal the cardboard tube that papertowel comes wrapped on. I normally say "leave it" in a stern voice and when he drops the item I crate him for a few min to let him know he has been bad.
Well, this time he decided he would role onto his back and make a cute face at me. This one time I walked over, took the tube and did not crate him. Remember this is one time I did not crate him out of about a hundred times. I corrected him but did not punish him with separation from my girlfriend and I in his crate.
Now anytime I reprimand him he is on his back making cute faces. He found a weakness and is trying to exploit it. Ob it does not work and he is back to the drawing board. But, it is amazing how intelligent dominant breeds are. They will test you, Even if they are trained.
My guy is always testing me. Trying to run infront of me when we walk outside. Pushing me out of the way if he wants his bone. Things like that. Testing to see if I am still the alpha I know what he is doing so it is easy for me to correct the behavior. But, a person who is a novice dog owner does not understand a lot of the time what there pup is doing when he is testing them. That is how the dog becomes the alpha and starts to run you!
Carved you seem to be into doing research. You also seem to understand you will need a lot of time to socialize and train your pup. But, like American said. If you get a real, pure bred, game pit. Get ready to step your game up.
great post body, this is exactly the type of stuff i need to hear... very helpful
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great post body, this is exactly the type of stuff i need to hear... very helpful
No problem. How is the search going? I can tell you a bunch of tricks to make training your pup easier.
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No problem. How is the search going? I can tell you a bunch of tricks to make training your pup easier.
had a lead on a litter through a breeder in Del., waited for the arrival, turns out 7 pups.... all 7 females... which is why i asked about the dif... cause i had had my mind set on a male, ... i tossed the idea around for a while, but decided i wasnt in any rush and that ide rather get exactly what i want...
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Just to spice this thread up a little... ;)
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looks a little like body's bully... but obviously older and larger... awesome looking animal
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Nice hybrid. ;D
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Just to spice this thread up a little... ;)
Sorry is this a pitbull? or have I missed a post or two?
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Sorry is this a pitbull? or have I missed a post or two?
Looks more like a Staff, but I'm not an expert on the subject.
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Looks more like a Staff, but I'm not an expert on the subject.
Yeah looks for like a SBT that is a little too heavy in the front and a bit too much bull, very cute all the same. But I am a little confused.
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Nice hybrid. ;D
It's an American Bulldog.... :-\ He's part athletic type and part bully type...as AB stated..an hybrid... ;)
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Looks more like a Staff, but I'm not an expert on the subject.
It shows... ;D
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It shows... ;D
Good. :)
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It's an American Bulldog.... :-\ He's part athletic type and part bully type...as AB stated..an hybrid... ;)
Yep, hybrid type American bull.....
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Yep, hybrid type American bull.....
Oh ok, I can see that now. Just havent seen one thats all. He is so cute is he a really naughty boy (whoever owns him) cos in those photos he looks naughty!!!
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Oh ok, I can see that now. Just havent seen one thats all. He is so cute is he a really naughty boy (whoever owns him) cos in those photos he looks naughty!!!
Hybrids are 5/8's Johnson, 3/8's Scott. They tend to have the characteristics of both breeds, shorter muzzles, heavy muscle and bone, decent movement, good hips, high drives. Body88s hybrid is a great example.
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Hybrids are 5/8's Johnson, 3/8's Scott. They tend to have the characteristics of both breeds, shorter muzzles, heavy muscle and bone, decent movement, good hips, high drives. Body88s hybrid is a great example.
Thanks..... Here he is at 11 months.
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Thanks..... Here he is at 11 months.
He is lovely!!
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Thanks!!!!! Rudolph the black nosed bull dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks!!!!! Rudolph the black nosed bull dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you do that...or your girl? He should hike his leg at your couch for making him wear those silly ears/antlers. ;)
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lol..... My girl took it for a christmas card. He only had to wear them for a second!!!!
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This picture makes me laugh......
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109464.0;attach=128236;image)
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What kind of dog was the dog used in the Spudz McKenzie ads?
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Bull terrior ;D
(http://www.lacoctelera.com/myfiles/ellos/bull_terrier_1.jpg)
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Bull terrior ;D
(http://www.lacoctelera.com/myfiles/ellos/bull_terrier_1.jpg)
That dog looks like he could bench 225.
The head is too small in my opinion,compared to other breeds.
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on the news today i saw a story about how NYC (manhattan) is very close to being a NO PIT BULL zone... this would seriously suck for me since this is wear i planned on living come june... any more info on this?
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on the news today i saw a story about how NYC (manhattan) is very close to being a NO PIT BULL zone... this would seriously suck for me since this is wear i planned on living come june... any more info on this?
No offense, but getting a real, game, pure bred pit is not a good idea living in the middle of New York City. These dogs are meant to have room to move and not have to be leashed all the time. I assume you will be living in a typical Manhatten apt and that is way to small for athletic breed like a pit. I had my American bull in Boston, until I moved to a house just outside the city. Looking back it was no big deal when he was a 25 lb baby. But, when they start to get bold and want to play and run you relize a apt is just not going to cut it. My guy has a yard and a place to run and work off his energy without me having to drive hom out to the dogpark for 2 hours. These breeds can be like a bull in a china shop inside a small space.
You can pull off living in a huge city with a bully breed. But it is going to suck for the dog. Unless you never get sick of taking your dog out for a few hours of exercise rain, snow or sleet. But, with the ignorance of most people you will have to have your pit leashed most all of the time. If there is a ban it will really suck for the pup.
I am not trying to rain on your parade. Just something to think about.
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No offense, but getting a real, game, pure bred pit is not a good idea living in the middle of New York City. These dogs are meant to have room to move and not have to be leashed all the time.
very true, my pit is game beyond belief and even with bad back legs needs TONS of exercise (he loves the treadmill) and i can't imagine having him in an apt. It can be done, but its not giong to be easy.
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very true, my pit is game beyond belief and even with bad back legs needs TONS of exercise (he loves the treadmill) and i can't imagine having him in an apt. It can be done, but its not giong to be easy.
im deffinitly going to wait now, until i figure out when and where im going to move to... my plan originally was to go running every morning with the dog ... there are dozens of dog runs in the city to bring the dog to durring my post work blunt... the park on weekends... but if they passed that law that would be horrible... sooo i gotta wait... maybe look for a house on LI... not sure... it'll play itself out within the next few months then ill fig out the law and the dog....
my question is... would running everyday, plus a lot of activity on the weekends... dog run... really NOT be eough?...
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im deffinitly going to wait now, until i figure out when and where im going to move to... my plan originally was to go running every morning with the dog ... there are dozens of dog runs in the city to bring the dog to durring my post work blunt... the park on weekends... but if they passed that law that would be horrible... sooo i gotta wait... maybe look for a house on LI... not sure... it'll play itself out within the next few months then ill fig out the law and the dog....
my question is... would running everyday, plus a lot of activity on the weekends... dog run... really NOT be eough?...
If your run is two hours, yes.... It could be more like an hour and a half. As long as when you got home from work you took him to play again. Worked on training him and some commands He needs to exercise his mind also. This is a very smart breed.
A good scenario would go like this. Wake up, take your dog for an hour and a half run. crate him and go to work. Come home and take him out for another hour to a fenced in area. Throw him a ball and play with him. Work on commands and training to give him some mental stimulation.
On the weekends you should dedicate time to socialize him at the dog park. Take him for a long walk and get him familiar with people and other animals. Work on training him and more commands to work his mind out. Take him places. Show him things.
A bad situation would be
Wake up, walk dog. Get home from work, let him out of crate. Put him back in crate while you go to gym, socialize or go out. In short, not have enough time for him.That is the pattern a lot of novice dog owners fall into when the " excitement" wears off. The dog ends up spending 15 hours in a crate >:( Trust me, the last thing you want it a full grown, bored, male pitbull. That goes for any dominant type breed.
The bottom line is you need a lot of time and dedication. It will not be like raising a toy breed.
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No offense, but getting a real, game, pure bred pit is not a good idea living in the middle of New York City. These dogs are meant to have room to move and not have to be leashed all the time. I assume you will be living in a typical Manhatten apt and that is way to small for athletic breed like a pit. I had my American bull in Boston, until I moved to a house just outside the city. Looking back it was no big deal when he was a 25 lb baby. But, when they start to get bold and want to play and run you relize a apt is just not going to cut it. My guy has a yard and a place to run and work off his energy without me having to drive hom out to the dogpark for 2 hours. These breeds can be like a bull in a china shop inside a small space.
You can pull off living in a huge city with a bully breed. But it is going to suck for the dog. Unless you never get sick of taking your dog out for a few hours of exercise rain, snow or sleet. But, with the ignorance of most people you will have to have your pit leashed most all of the time. If there is a ban it will really suck for the pup.
I am not trying to rain on your parade. Just something to think about.
DMX, the rapper, thinks he is a damn Pit Bull, had about 13 pits in his NYC house (Don't know what borough), I beleive that they cited him for animal cruelty--he ate the charging papers. ;D
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You would be suprised how hyper this type of breed can be... In my experience they are like a 6 year old who just ate a whole pack of Pixy sticks... all the time.... My two year old girl can never get enough play time. If i take her out for 2 hours she wants 3 and if i stay for 3 she doesnt want to go back home. and she has plenty of room in a 4 bedroom 2 car garage house... just my thoughts on the subject.
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You would be suprised how hyper this type of breed can be... In my experience they are like a 6 year old who just ate a whole pack of Pixy sticks... all the time.... My two year old girl can never get enough play time. If i take her out for 2 hours she wants 3 and if i stay for 3 she doesnt want to go back home. and she has plenty of room in a 4 bedroom 2 car garage house... just my thoughts on the subject.
Got a eleven month old bitch that has a motor that just won't quit. ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT. She is the reason we don't have another kid right now. (No lie)
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just found out that the NYC ban would only include breeding and purchase POST ban....
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This is nice too
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This is nice too
I like him!!!
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Yes, they are great dogs. They are not for a novice owner tho. You need to know how to raise a k9 if you want one of these. They should really be on farms and places with alot of land They are very rare. Sanders is a good kennel for them. Mike Vick and Shannon Sharp got pups from them if I remember correctly. Other famous people also.
(http://www.sanderskennels.com/02-19-05%20060%20presa%20canario.jpg)
you know that picture you posted is not entirely a presa right? and sanders is a suck arse puppy miller.
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He doesn't even have any fat on him. You can see veins in his chest, that's insane. He even looks like he's got abs.
He looks like he's stacking steroids. LOL
(http://www.geocities.com/psimales/PSIRedMachine26mo030.jpg)
He must be too strong to control even for people like us that workout and are stronger than average people.
not bad but not great, i know of 10+ year old presas that have more muscle than this...
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Presa, that is one of the worst attempts at a gimmick I have seen in a long time. Nuke that account and try again in a week or so :)
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Presa, that is one of the worst attempts at a gimmick I have seen in a long time. Nuke that account and try again in a week or so :)
excuse me? i just so happen to stumble upon these talks of presas on the net and wanted to add my 2 cents on a couple of things, how am i a gimmick? atleast i know what im talking about when it comes to dogs and presas in particular.
EDIT - well body88, you been dodging my question then you just log off... when you got a big enough set of balls to come and continue your dumb gimmick claims just send me a pm so i get an email saying that you have the balls.
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very true, my pit is game beyond belief and even with bad back legs needs TONS of exercise (he loves the treadmill) and i can't imagine having him in an apt. It can be done, but its not giong to be easy.
game is game... you cant have a dog that is more game than another, the dog is either a cur or a game dog. admitidly you do get different lvls of cur.. soft cur, medium cur and hard cur, then game!..
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excuse me? i just so happen to stumble upon these talks of presas on the net and wanted to add my 2 cents on a couple of things, how am i a gimmick? atleast i know what im talking about when it comes to dogs and presas in particular.
EDIT - well body88, you been dodging my question then you just log off... when you got a big enough set of balls to come and continue your dumb gimmick claims just send me a pm so i get an email saying that you have the balls.
Presa relax. This website has a lot of people who make fake gimmick accounts to get people riled up. I thought you may be one of them. If not my appologies.
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Presa relax. This website has a lot of people who make fake gimmick accounts to get people riled up. I thought you may be one of them. If not my appologies.
i sent you a pm bud, no hard feelings.
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I'm more of a Doberman kind of guy myself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN6gKWKzJY0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN6gKWKzJY0)
They are such beautiful animals
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I'm more of a Doberman kind of guy myself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN6gKWKzJY0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN6gKWKzJY0)
They are such beautiful animals
dobes are nice dogs and good guard dogs, but in terms of stopping power.. it cant touch a presa canario.
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THEY'RE GREAT DOGS. I'VE HAD SEVERAL. THEY HAVE GOTTEN A BAD RAP.
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THEY'RE GREAT DOGS. I'VE HAD SEVERAL. THEY HAVE GOTTEN A BAD RAP.
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Just got a new lil guy, He just turned 8 weeks on sunday of this last week.... I plan on posting some pics of him here and on the pet board just have to take some new ones...
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older pics of my presa and some of my rott and some of my bandog. presa max age in these pics is 5.5 months old.
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I got this pic about a year ago. A pitbull after going at it with a porcupine....look how calm the dog looks, I would never, ever want to fuck with a pitbull.
ummm correction bud, thats not a pitbull.. its a english bull terrier.. i used to have alot of pics of this plus it was on TV..