Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
Ever watch "Super Size Me"?
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
I still don't know what I think of Adonis.
Sometimes I think he's great, sometimes I think he's a moron.
This will be a very interesting project. GOOD LUCK! :D
I still don't know what I think of Adonis.
Sometimes I think he's great, sometimes I think he's a moron.
This will be a very interesting project. GOOD LUCK! :D
I liked him better when he posted on mayhem fulltime.
Happy New Year to all.i predict that this will set the bodybuilding nutrtion world on it's ear, this will be absolutely amazing.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
Ever watch "Super Size Me"?I take it you didn`t watch the slanderous lies that is called "SuperSizeME".
His diet is based upon a number of calories that he needs to consume in a week, no matter of the macronutrient breakdown. Watch when he posts what he eats. One day he claims he eats a massive amount, the next like a bird. He usually does it meal by meal though. If he has too many calories at one sitting, his next meal is small. He eats two cookies as a meal, or a Jr. Whopper at BK, high in fat yes, but not a ton of calories. It is a joke really.Wrong.
Ever watch "Super Size Me"?that guy wasn't going through the weight workouts that Adonis will be enduring either.
that guy wasn't going through the weight workouts that Adonis will be enduring either.
Wrong.
Can you tell us what would even motivate you to do something like this Adonis?
He was also LYING.yeah, i have a feeling he was probably eating more than he said he was.
He would NOT release his diet journals.
I laugh at the people who are too dumb to realize his lies and devious editing.
You ignorant people ate that shit up and took it as gospel. It was all lies.
He was also LYING.
He would NOT release his diet journals.
I laugh at the people who are too dumb to realize his lies and devious editing.
You ignorant people ate that shit up and took it as gospel. It was all lies.
You are confusing him with Michael Moore.Nope.
Also,
Bodybuilding is in shambles.
Corporate Sponsorship is what it needs.
There is no reason why MCDONALD`S should not appear in your fitness and bodybuilding magazines and shows.
They allow a very economical and healthy way to eat.
You blew what little credibility you had with the fight nonsense. You could have become a legend - but you've become a joke. A shame really. f**k off back to MD and your byfriend Derek.Funny, didn't i see you posting in the 18+ section talking about having your g/f use a strap on on you and shoving her fingers up your butt? Need i pull up the post?
Nope.
I will not stoop to childish levels of name calling, or even passing judgement on your actions. Please, do whatever it is that motivates you, but don't pass this off as scientific or innovative.
I eat at Mcdonald 1 time daily and I am getting tired of it.
I don't know if you will get fat but eating every meal at Mcdonald for 6-8 month straight is disgusting.
I would be barfing all over the place after a week
It is all scientific.
Also,
Bodybuilding is in shambles.
Corporate Sponsorship is what it needs.
There is no reason why MCDONALD`S should not appear in your fitness and bodybuilding magazines and shows.
They allow a very economical and healthy way to eat.
Healthy? I doubt that. Strictly for bodybuilding purposes you could probably do the McDonalds thing. After all it really does come down to calories in/calories out, provided you are consuming adequate amounts of protein for muscle maintenance and enough minimum fat to maintain hormone levels. But with the high levels of animal fat, trans fat, and heated polyunsaturated fat, combined with the low levels of fiber and lack of fruits and vegetables in a McDonalds diet, eating McDonalds is a sure way to wreck your health, at least in the long term.
Hope this helps.
I take it you didn`t watch the slanderous lies that is called "SuperSizeME".
Any rate,
You will see me eat MCDONALD`S 6-8 months straight and have a physique you could only dream of.
I will go down to 3 percent bodyfat and have more muscle mass than ever as well.
Watch and enjoy.
well considering yo have pretty much no muscle mass to think of you can really only get bigger by eating protien.;D
Actually a hot dog with mustard only has less calories than an 8oz cup of yogurt
with the right kind of training the type of food you eat is not that important. bulking or cutting can come from training style.
food < training always has, always will.
with the right kind of training the type of food you eat is not that important. bulking or cutting can come from training style.
food < training always has, always will.
Also,what is your website if we want to follow your progress?
Bodybuilding is in shambles.
Corporate Sponsorship is what it needs.
There is no reason why MCDONALD`S should not appear in your fitness and bodybuilding magazines and shows.
They allow a very economical and healthy way to eat.
when is the fight against DA???
And when will we see the 112 rep 225 lbs deadlift!!??
While I think TA is a pud, I also think this is an interesting idea. This would undoubtedly get national media attention.
I'd suggest that, for more effectiveness, TA should plump up to 12% first.
Post weekly videos on YouTube.
Get a physical and blood test before and after.
Most likely, TA would look great on the outside and be dying on the inside. But, hey, isn't that the bodybuilding philosophy?
when he originally said he was using this diet and was going to stick with it asked if he would have his LBM tested and post the before and after test results to prove he wasn't losing muscle on the adonis diet.
he refused cause he had more "scientific" ways to prove it but never did anything to prove anything.
you'll get the same response with your request.
He was the guy behind the counter.ahhahahahahhahaha
I think TA is a pud
Been done already.
(http://www.foodfacts.info/blog/downsize01.jpg)
There was a website, truthinfitness.org, where the guy, Chazz Weaver, documented his workouts and diet every day, but for some reason it is longer up...conspiracy? Hehe...
http://www.foodfacts.info/blog/2005/04/down-size-me-other-documentary.html
http://www.ncbuy.com/news/2004-05-03/1009517.html
It will be glorious when I get WAY LEANER than this.dude you look like you haven't slept for three days, what gives??? a little toot toot?
I just ate 8 cheeseburgers and a Mcflurry !!!!!!!!!
that was awesome :o
funny thing is: I am still hungry as hell and everything is closed :(
You blew what little credibility you had with the fight nonsense. You could have become a legend - but you've become a joke. A shame really. f**k off back to MD and your byfriend Derek.
and digging it!
sorta like you admitting to taking it up the ass.
TA do you plan on drinking soft drinks and supersized fries?
TA do you plan on drinking soft drinks and supersized fries?
TA this was you on the McDonalds diet the first time. What is going to be different this time. Just wondering
His right nipple looks normal, but the one on the left looks swelled up? :-X
Recently over where I'm currently living there had been a hep A scare at one of the big Mac restaurants. Apparently one of the staff members had hep A but didn't realise it for a while then didn't wash his hands after having a shit etc and infected half a dozen or so people. That story combined with the fact that I used to work as plumber and have worked on the fat traps at some of these fast food places (the most disgusting shit i have ever seen) had sworn me off ever eating fast food again. period.
It'll be interesting to see what results you get. I more or less followed a Macca's diet a good many years ago now when i was at varsity. Did it ovr the course of about 10 months. i was training pretty hard out at the time and but ate almost nothing except for junk food. Gained a good 40 pounds that year and my bodyfat stayed approximately the same - around 20%. Put on alot of muscle and didn't take any gear. It can definately be done. but i would suggest it isn't too healthy overall but then what is these days.
Not to rain on your parade TA - but just an interesting aside.
Recently over where I'm currently living there had been a hep A scare at one of the big Mac restaurants. Apparently one of the staff members had hep A but didn't realise it for a while then didn't wash his hands after having a shit etc and infected half a dozen or so people. That story combined with the fact that I used to work as plumber and have worked on the fat traps at some of these fast food places (the most disgusting shit i have ever seen) had sworn me off ever eating fast food again. period.
IMO McDonald's wouldn't want any part of it. Their lawyers would have anything formal you put up related to these pursuits taken down just like they did that other guys' because while I'm sure they didn't like Spurlock suggesting that eating McDonald's everyday for a month ruins your health, they also don't want it suggested to the public that eating every meal McDonald's for any length of time is a "healthy" practice, or even conducive to getting a good physique, for that matter, for fear that people would sue the shit out of them after all the required long-term fat intake started resulting in heart problems for people choosing to adopt such practices.
The closest connection between McDonald's and the weightlifting world you're gonna see is the picture of the beefy Olympic weightlifter doing the barbell press pictured on the double quarter pounder with cheese box, and I'm guessing that may have been a stretch for their lawyers to ever authorize that.
McDonald's is so huge, profitable and mainstream that I don't think any of us can begin to imagine the responsibility the world puts on the shoulders of a corporation like that to be every type of "responsible" imaginable. There's a very vocal and significantly large group of people in this world that view McDonald's and huge corporations like it as basically the devil and that's getting into some heavy shit.
The closest thing we'll probably ever see to getting a fast food chain to formally advertise in bodybuilding or fitness was when Arnold got Subway to sponsor the Arnold classic a long time ago. At the '93 AC Expo they were giving away black plastic dumbbell-shaped Subway drinking cups. I don't know how many years that lasted, but if Subway won't even f**k with the bodybuilding world anymore I don't see where it'd be anything but a huge liability for McDonald's.
IMO McDonald's wouldn't want any part of it. Their lawyers would have anything formal you put up related to these pursuits taken down just like they did that other guys' because while I'm sure they didn't like Spurlock suggesting that eating McDonald's everyday for a month ruins your health, they also don't want it suggested to the public that eating every meal McDonald's for any length of time is a "healthy" practice, or even conducive to getting a good physique, for that matter, for fear that people would sue the shit out of them after all the required long-term fat intake started resulting in heart problems for people choosing to adopt such practices.
The closest connection between McDonald's and the weightlifting world you're gonna see is the picture of the beefy Olympic weightlifter doing the barbell press pictured on the double quarter pounder with cheese box, and I'm guessing that may have been a stretch for their lawyers to ever authorize that.
McDonald's is so huge, profitable and mainstream that I don't think any of us can begin to imagine the responsibility the world puts on the shoulders of a corporation like that to be every type of "responsible" imaginable. There's a very vocal and significantly large group of people in this world that view McDonald's and huge corporations like it as basically the devil and that's getting into some heavy shit.
The closest thing we'll probably ever see to getting a fast food chain to formally advertise in bodybuilding or fitness was when Arnold got Subway to sponsor the Arnold classic a long time ago. At the '93 AC Expo they were giving away black plastic dumbbell-shaped Subway drinking cups. I don't know how many years that lasted, but if Subway won't even f**k with the bodybuilding world anymore I don't see where it'd be anything but a huge liability for McDonald's.
IMO McDonald's wouldn't want any part of it. Their lawyers would have anything formal you put up related to these pursuits taken down just like they did that other guys'
Your post is filled with lies.
Prove to me that MCDONALDS food is dangerous.
Prove to me that eating Chicken Breasts are a better alternative.
You can`t.
Do you want to start with the Sodium, nitrate or fat or every processed additive in between?
Do you want to start with the Sodium, nitrate or fat or every processed additive in between?
So you're going to "put the bbing world on its ear" but you can't even get your diet down so you don't waste away muscle. Not only that, at no point did you have the stomach to enter a REAL contest and then you preceeded to lose at Mr. Getbig and be the BIGGEST sore loser to ever curse the threads of this board.
And SF's support for you is as rediculus as it is fake. The Squad used to be at least entertaining but have consistantly shown themselves to be nothing more than a bunch of posers who, for the mostpart, are too scared to show the world who they really are.
You guys make me laugh.
You're going to fail miserably.
Toodles!
ah hahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahah
Post it all.
Sodium is not bad by the way.
MELTDOWN@!
hahaha, was just going to type it myself. That was a pretty big one.
McDonalds' lawyers "had it taken down"? How? As long as he didn't say anything that was untrue, and he wasn't trying to make money off of McDonalds' name, he's got freedom of speech and freedom of the press on his side... they couldn't do shit.
OK, well McDonald's still took it down, and I'm sure it was negotiated by their lawyers. "Hey so-and-so, we like your site and all, but we really think paying you $10,000 to take it the f**k down (immediately) would be a better option for us, well, just because...you want this money or what?" Why do you suppose that guy would have taken it down otherwise?
Your post is filled with lies.
Prove to me that MCDONALDS food is dangerous.
Prove to me that eating Chicken Breasts are a better alternative.
You can`t.
one of the following will happen:
1) the project doesn't go nearly like adam thought it would and he'll stop partway through while claiming that he has another amazing idea.
2) we never see any receipts but a bullshit reason is concocted for why he doesn't have them.
3) we do see receipts, but we have no way of proving he actually ate all the meals.
4) proving the pointlessness of the project, he starts carefully selecting his meals by getting things like grilled chicken sandwiches with no mayo or the salads.
want to impress me? follow the diet the guy in super size me did. make every meal big burgers, fries, or those weird breakfast things they make. until then this is all bullshit.
The sodium in a BigMac is over a 1000mgs!!
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
http://www.dietfacts.com/html/nutrition-facts/generic-chicken-breast-skinless-roasted-18872.htm
What makes you think that nutrition just breaks down to macronutrient manipulation?
one of the following will happen:
1) the project doesn't go nearly like adam thought it would and he'll stop partway through while claiming that he has another amazing idea.
2) we never see any receipts but a bullshit reason is concocted for why he doesn't have them.
3) we do see receipts, but we have no way of proving he actually ate all the meals.
4) proving the pointlessness of the project, he starts carefully selecting his meals by getting things like grilled chicken sandwiches with no mayo or the salads.
want to impress me? follow the diet the guy in super size me did. make every meal big burgers, fries, or those weird breakfast things they make. until then this is all bullshit.
Prove to me my post is filled with lies.
Prove to me that McDonald's food is healthy.
Prove to me that eating chicken breasts is a worser alternative.
blah blah blah
Whats so bad about sodium?
Enlighten me please.
From a bodybuilding standpoint or a health standpoint........either way we can start with high blood pressure and proceed from there!
Obesity and High Blood Pressure is related.
You should look into that instead of worrying about some salt.
Italians are known for extreme longevity, yet have arguably the highest fat content and sodium content in their diets.
So I won`t be worried. You need to be concerned with obesity moreso than anything,
Obesity and High Blood Pressure is related.
You should look into that instead of worrying about some salt.
Italians are known for extreme longevity, yet have arguably the highest fat content and sodium content in their diets.
So I won`t be worried. You need to be concerned with obesity moreso than anything,
Italians are known for extreme longevity, yet have arguably the highest fat content and sodium content in their diets.
And SF's support for you is as rediculus as it is fake.Rediculus - Ridiculous
Do you have a bodyweight and condition that you are specifically looking to attain?
His diet is based upon a number of calories that he needs to consume in a week, no matter of the macronutrient breakdown. Watch when he posts what he eats. One day he claims he eats a massive amount, the next like a bird. He usually does it meal by meal though. If he has too many calories at one sitting, his next meal is small. He eats two cookies as a meal, or a Jr. Whopper at BK, high in fat yes, but not a ton of calories. It is a joke really.
The part regarding his diet is correct.
Nothing new under the sun really. I think it's great if TA has found a way to make his food intake more tolerable, if he had problems with bodybuilder type of food being stale or whatever.
I still kind of wonder what happened to him trying to keep on getting even more shredded after the Mr Getbig contest and posting pics when he had reached that shredded condition?
Did that plan go to waste or something?
-Hedge
i am with true adonis on this one..if you add 2 hrs of cardio twice a day with 1 and a half hrs of weight training with the mcdonalds diet yes i think TA can achieve this.this is possible.mcdonlads diet is not the healthiest but if you eat accordingly with regular workouts one can eat anything they want to.eating 3 small meals of mcdonalds with cardio and weight training yes it is possible.I don't think you read it correctly..Adonis posted earlier ..NO CARDIO..NO SUPPS..NO DRUGS ..
I don't think you read it correctly..Adonis posted earlier ..NO CARDIO..NU SUPPS..NO DRUGS ..no cardio..then i would say TA will fail badly..without cardio his insides are gonna get messed up
no cardio..then i would say TA will fail badly..without cardio his insides are gonna get messed upWe can only pray..
We can only pray..yeah right... ::)
hahahah 5 pages already.
I find it amazing that there is a good number of you misguided and fooled by popular cultural myths and urban legends regarding Fast Food.dude i believe you but as you said that you won't do cardio along with weight training, i think thats really gonna mess you up.one can eat anything and everything they want to eat.all you need to do is do cardio along with weight training..hell one can shed weight by being on a pizza diet.so what i am saying is that if your on a mcdonalds diet with cradio and weight training yes you can loose weight and get shredded but with only weight training and no cardio then i think so your insides are gonna get messed
Are you really that dumb? Think to yourself.......What are you basing your generalizations on?
Very stupid and ignorant.
TA this was you on the McDonalds diet the first time. What is going to be different this time. Just wondering
I can eat up to 2983 calories.
Hope this helps.
Who cares what you eat
You have terrible genetics and will always look like Marty Feldman on Creatine no matter what you put in your body
Like I said on the first page of this thread, he bases the diet upon calories consumed, nothing more, nothing less. This "study" is not original, nor is the information frutiful for anyone other than TA's ego.
is that Cory Feldmans brother,
Cory Haim was on a big cycle for the LOST BOYS.
Filet O'Fish isn't too bad in a pinch.rob, lets start the avidan classic hype today!!!
rob, lets start the avidan classic hype today!!!
how can this contest be better than the last?
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
It doesn`t matter what you eat as long as you don`t overeat.
Hope this helps. The food is equal.
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
I can't understand what he has to gain by being an asshole? I suppose, he couldn't be more disliked - could he?
What is wrong with my statement?
Natural Al does nothing but chase me around and make up lies about myself.
Why should I offer him any respect? I tried in the past, but he kept on and on and on.
I will continue to be cruel.
Joking about the death of ones child is beyond cruel. It's amazing how you can seem so intelligent about some things and a total fucking idiot about other matters.
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
that adonis can make comments like that without any kind of timeout or whatever really makes me lose respect for the people who run this place. that's way over the line. :-\
What is wrong with my statement?
Natural Al does nothing but chase me around and make up lies about myself.
Why should I offer him any respect? I tried in the past, but he kept on and on and on.
I will continue to be cruel.
I`d make the same statements about you if given the chance.
I dislike you a bit more than Natural Al.
You are more delusional and fatter than he is. Plus you are clearly a weakling and have been owned so bad that you are afraid of yourself even. You won`t even post any pics anymore because you know you wouldn`t be able to stomach the backlash.
The day you post a picture is probably the same day you seal your fate. A loony bin awaits, with you on suicide watch.
ADONIS SEEKING SPONSORSHIP
"McDonalds, how can I help you?"
"Uh Hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis"
"How can I help you?"
"I'm interested in sponsorship for my #1 weight loss program."
"Number One? That'll be $5.76. Please drive around."
Sigh.
"McDonald's Corporate Offices, how can I help you?"
"Uh, hi, my name is Adam, but you might know me as True Adonis."
"Who??"
"True Adonis. I'm really well-known on Getbig.com and this one time at...."
"How can I help you Mr. Adonis?"
"I'm looking to get McDonalds involved in a marketing opportunity..."
"Please hold for marketing"
"McDonalds marketing, Cindy speaking."
"Hi Cindy, this is True Adonis, and I'm a bodybuilder who-"
"Ohhh, a bodybuilder?"
"Yes Ma'am."
"Like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler?"
"Yeah, but 100 lbs. lighter."
"Oh, so you mean like a teen bodybuilder?"
"Close but not as big."
"Oh, you mean like that Lil' Hercules kid?"
"Well, he was ALL DRUGS."
"Okay, so you're almost as big as that 8-year old I saw on the Discovery Channel?"
"Right, but I'm even more ripped than him."
"Wow, that's impressive! How old are you? Seven?"
"No, I'm 32, but I do still live at home and sleep in a toddler bed."
"Why would a 32 year old sleep in a toddler bed?"
"It makes me look huge!"
you just proved you have no class what so ever. I never said a word about your dad dying until you continually posted about my son.
You keep doing what you're doing, that's fine. One day we'll meet up and we'll see if you got the balls to say it to my face.
You're nothing but a liar and a louse. You're dead to me, too bad you're the most hated guy on the net. AT least when someone posts something funny about me I laugh it off you can't even take it cause you have no spine, you're pathetic. Without this board and the md board you'd dry up and die.
we'll see what happens in the future between us, you can talk all you want on the net but we'll see.
see, the thing is... i don't care what you say. i don't care what you think. the boards are your life, you put so much time and effort into trying to be a celebrity on the internet that it's frankly alarming. you entered a competition on here against people who were just treating it like a game, while you actually acted as though it were the mr olympia, and then when you didn't win you made it your life mission to knock down the other guy.What in the world are you bantering on about fat body? I was dieting down for summer anyways, just like Bast and Daddywaddy and some of the others.
hell, you don't even know what "delusional" means. i say i'm a fat guy who likes lifting weights, you call yourself "the true adonis", make t-shirts with your name on them, make post after post about how you're going to change bodybuilding as we know it, meanwhile you look like an auschwitz victim who got hit in the face with a rake. who's delusional again? :-\
If I`m dead to you, why do you constantly follow me around and post lies?Adonis, you have nothin to prove.. Everyone know's and I hope you do too that Mcdonalds will eventually kill you. Who cares if you get ripped on it. Death at an early age is not glorious or profound. Ask Sid Viscious or Kurt Cobain or John Bohnam or ect ect ect.... Save you're health, and just say, (SUBWAY)... in all seriousness............o lor]
I was done responding to you a few months back, but you couldn`t resist, now could you?
I just checked MD, all of your posts are talking shit about me.
Someone has some issues to deal with and its not me. Find a new hobby. Stalk someone else. Or face the wrath.
Adonis, you have nothin to prove.. Everyone know's and I hope you do too that Mcdonalds will eventually kill you. Who cares if you get ripped on it. Death at an early age is not glorious or profound. Ask Sid Viscious or Kurt Cobain or John Bohnam or ect ect ect.... Save you're health, and just say, (SUBWAY)... in all seriousness............o lor]
Thanks! I put alot of thought into it.
damn that was funny hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa
great work brother!!
If I`m dead to you, why do you constantly follow me around and post lies?
I was done responding to you a few months back, but you couldn`t resist, now could you?
I just checked MD, all of your posts are talking shit about me.
Someone has some issues to deal with and its not me. Find a new hobby. Stalk someone else. Or face the wrath.
I'm pretty sure Natural Al would embarass TA on almost every lift, and he's what? 38?
nahhh...I'm way younger than that....jsut turned 3.....naw, I ain't sayin but let's just say I'm younger. I have no desire to embarass him on every lift....if I do something it'll be on my terms, when I feel it's time, nobody here knows a thing about me besides I'm 5'7ishAnd your response?
And your response?
Adonis,
Straight up I aint getting involved I just wonder because noone can give a straight answer...
Is the fight between you and DA still on or is did that basically fizzle?
Also...are you going to the Arnold Classic in March?
to what?
Adonis,
Straight up I aint getting involved I just wonder because noone can give a straight answer...
Is the fight between you and DA still on or is did that basically fizzle?
Also...are you going to the Arnold Classic in March?
Why do people actually think there will be a fight between TA & DA? It was all a bunch of silly hype.
Sometimes I think those guys over there are convicts and untrustworthy.
The actual people who run MD promoted the thing. Why wouldn't we believe them? If Ron announced something I would believe him.
I just didn't buy it. All the crazy shit from DA & TA about it kind of made it seem like it was planned for attention. & I have a feeling MD will do anything to get their message board noticed.
Look Natural Al,
I will be willing to call a truce with you and apologize if you can stop your stalking and lies.
Face it, you have said you were done with me time and time again, but continue to follow me around and make up lies.
Here is your chance now to forever end it. I await your answer.
DA also informed me his 'Gram' was sick. Interesting.
I'll keep my eyes peeled for you at the ASC...
natural al...will yoube there?
sure, fine...whatever. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. BTW, there were no "lies" like I said, I said I remembered a pic being said to have been taken in december you said march...I don't know, I remembered it being december and no I didn't look it up, I'm not gonna poor through post after post. Find me one instance besides that one where I even said in that thread that I could be wrong where I have told a lie.
don't know. I don't commit to stuff that far in advance, I have alot going on in life right now.
I wouldn't really say if I was...I like to surprise people.
T/A is a classless asshole for saying what he said, there is no good reason for posting shit like that, no matter WHAT is said about you.
Adouchebag is one of those people that lacks the component that makes people decent human beings.
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
T/A is a classless asshole for saying what he said, there is no good reason for posting shit like that, no matter WHAT is said about you.
Adouchebag is one of those people that lacks the component that makes people decent human beings.
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
Bump for clinical insanity.
Look at me!!! Look at me!!! Look at me!!! ::) ::) ::)
He has posted several times he has a degree in Physics. I have asked several times to see a copy of it and yet nothing. He is full of shit. Why is he still around. He makes Goodbum look like a priest.
I honestly don't know but can you get a degree in "physics"? Wouldn't you take physics as part of another degree program? I honestly have never thought about it.
This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower.
You've NEVER been below 6% in your LIFE, even in the pics on here of you for the contest. You were around 7.
You're the most delusional poster on here. Worse than Vince.
I'm sorry to say, but serioulsy kid you are dumber than a second coat of paint.
So how do you spot the difference of 1%? ::) ::) ::)
Of course you can get a degree in physics.
LMAO ME TOO ::) ::) ::)
I mean come on lol, It's impossible to spot the bodyfat % by simply looking at a couple of pictures... now he wants to tell me he can spot the difference of 1%?
Wait wait wait..he'll come back claiming he was not serious and he was sarcastic ::) ::)
what would be the ciriculum? I've taken a bunch of physics classes, how much different would that but than an egineering degree?
Obviously it all depends on the university, I don't really know as didn't do a physics degree. Know a few people who did... some went down the theoretical route (one guy was the smartest person i have ever come across) others went down the experimental route. They bored me to death with talk about lasers and stuff like that...I guess I just don't see the point. You have to take those classes to get your engineering degree and there are so many different engineering degrees you can get..hell, get a nuclear engineering degree or something along those lines if your gonna take those classes anyway.
Obviously it all depends on the university, I don't really know as didn't do a physics degree. Know a few people who did... some went down the theoretical route (one guy was the smartest person i have ever come across) others went down the experimental route. They bored me to death with talk about lasers and stuff like that...
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
I take it you didn`t watch the slanderous lies that is called "SuperSizeME".
Any rate,
You will see me eat MCDONALD`S 6-8 months straight and have a physique you could only dream of.
I will go down to 3 percent bodyfat and have more muscle mass than ever as well.
Watch and enjoy.
You blew what little credibility you had with the fight nonsense. You could have become a legend - but you've become a joke. A shame really. Fuck off back to MD and your byfriend Derek.
what would be the ciriculum? I've taken a bunch of physics classes, how much different would that but than an egineering degree?
Yo Abeles.
Lets see some receipts, some videos, the journal and whatnot.
-Hedge
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
NO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
I have to admit - I would spend a whole afternoon reading a thread with details of how this worked. It would completely own SupersizeMe, which the guy did no exercise in.I would do it if someone helped me pay for a camera and payed for all my meals.
I would love to see this experiment, this outcome.
I would do it if someone helped me pay for a camera and payed for all my meals.I'd do it too for my off-season !!!
It couldn't cost that much more than regular food. Live off the dollar menu and carry a water gallon jug. I bet for $15 or $20 a day you could get by.That equates to 140 dollars a week..... i spend 30 dollars on groccerys a week when i diet.
I'd do it if I could keep a tub of whey in the bathroom and hit it a few times a day too.
That equates to 140 dollars a week..... i spend 30 dollars on groccerys a week when i diet.
That equates to 140 dollars a week..... i spend 30 dollars on groccerys a week when i diet.
what the fuck do you have for 30 $ ???Enough chicken, brocolli, beef, tuna, and oatmeal to last a week at about 2500 cals a day and whatever else. I live in NW Arkansas so im surrounded by tysons chicken and walmart.
i gotta buy diapers and wipes and baby food jars... i lost count of how much groceries are.You'd have to buy diapers for yourself if you ate at McDonalds for every meal, every day.
you are a fucking idiot , mcdonalds is not food you shmuck, you will be sick as a dog , didnt you see that fucking movie? retard , impotence = you in a month , not very bright are you ?You have 34 posts hahaha. You don't know very much do you? Ohh yeah and btw, MeLtDoWn!
You'd have to buy diapers for yourself if you ate at McDonalds for every meal, every day.
Happy New Year to all.
Today begins the first day to building a better body and the official start of destroying Anssi Manninen, the Muscular Development "(gym)Science Editior". I will be eating EVERY single meal at MCDONALD`S to achieve this rather simple feat.
I am saving all of the receipts, keeping a journal and doing some video as well. This project should be very interesting as you will see me mantain a physique at 6 percent and then eventually to an incredible 3 percent and lower. All by eating MCDONALD`S.
NO SUPPLEMENTS
CRACKNO DRUGS
NO CARDIO
ALL MCDONALD`S! and of course some weight training.
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
You won`t regret it.
STAY AWAY FORM THE CRACK PIPE UR POSTS RESEMBLE SOMEONE WHO IS HEAVILY ON SOME MIND ALTERING DRUGS, OR JUS PLAIN RETARDED.Your post resembles that of a close minded fundamentalist christian.
Your post resembles that of a close minded fundamentalist christian.
WRONG SUCKA KEEP GUESSINAre you even reading your own posts or does shit just dribble out of your mouth?
LEAFYBUG=TA
I ATE MCDONALDS EVERY MEAL EVERY DAY FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS DUE TO LAZINESS, NO GYM, AND SURPRISE SURPRISE, HEALTH WONT TOO GOOD, STRENGTH TO SHIT, PUT ON A SHIT LOAD OF FAT. I CAN STILL TASTE THE STARCHY FAT - ONCE IT SOLIDIFIED GOIN DOWN MA NECK, NASTY SHIT, HE'LL STOP AND RETURN TO HIS NORMAL DIET AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THE FACT TA WANTS TO GET LEANER SHOWS AN EATING DISORDER
Ok, who kicked this dead horse?Hedge. He has a hard on for adonis apparently and went out of his way to try to prove something.
Hedge. He has a hard on for adonis apparently and went out of his way to try to prove something.
Hedge isn't the one making the stupid claims and making it public via getbig.What is so hard to understand.... here ill make it real clear. A C A L O R I E I S A U N I T O F E N E R G Y. A C A L = A C A L
What I wonder about this fabrication by "Adonis" is if he visits multiple McDonalds restaraunts? I don't think I could put up with the stigma of visiting the same McDonalds day in day out, multiple times per day etc... What the fuck would people think? Might be common place in the US, but not here in the UK.
What is so hard to understand.... here ill make it real clear. A C A L O R I E I S A U N I T O F E N E R G Y. A C A L = A C A L
A calorie is a calorie on the basic principles of physics.If it is wrong then i will be more then happy to apologize for my spreading of lies.
Things change when the biological processes and pathways of the human body are taken into consideration.
Continue this drivel and you will be humbled by irrefutable evidence supporting my stance.
If it is wrong then i will be more then happy to apologize for my spreading of lies.
if a calorie is a calorie then why does fat loss slow down and eventually come to a dead stop while on a diet?Because the metabolism slows down the leaner you get and leptin slows down.
i predict that this will set the bodybuilding nutrtion world on it's ear, this will be absolutely amazing.
I don't understand where you are coming from by always backin up Adonis when everyone else disagrees. You call out people on some fairly common sense things (bs lifts, lagging bodyparts etc), but why do u fake actually believing what ugly says?Because it's logical.
Because the metabolism slows down the leaner you get and leptin slows down.so your saying the human body can change the laws of physics? i think not, your calorie is a calorie theory has just been exposed as wrong by yourself no less.
so your saying the human body can change the laws of physics? i think not, your calorie is a calorie theory has just been exposed as wrong by yourself no less.What? ??? You have proven nothing.
goodbye. :o
What? ??? You have proven nothing.
What's your opinion on Abeles not posting the video, the receipts and the journal from his McDonald's experience?Since im an honest person ill give you my honest opinion. I think it is crappy but i also don't blame him. Even if the video was posted with the recipts people would refuse to believe it. Infact i might even take up the task but i will be after august.
-Hedge
Because the metabolism slows down the leaner you get and leptin slows down.
You just re-stated what he wrote. Metabolism slows...fat loss slows. You didnt prove anything. Also, seeing as you are spouting off what Adam is saying about how beneficial hypocaloric diets are...and how you DONT LOSE MUSCLE.....what do you have to say about this?Simply water loss.... Beside the difference is miniscule. You aren't reading your own studies and you are splitting hairs.
Metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle during hypocaloric dieting.
Russell DM, Walker PM, Leiter LA, Sima AA, Tanner WK, Mickle DA, Whitwell J, Marliss EB, Jeejeebhoy KN.
Hypocaloric dieting and fasting alter the contraction-relaxation characteristics of skeletal muscle and result in low frequency fatigue. We report the metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle in five morbidly obese female subjects who had biopsies of the gastrocnemius muscle on a base-line diet (2500 kcal/day) followed by a repeat biopsy after 2 wk of a 400-kcal/day carbohydrate diet. Hypocaloric dieting resulted in a significant increase in the intracellular muscle calcium content (p less than 0.05), which may account for the observed changes in muscle function. There were no significant changes in muscle glycogen, lactate, pyruvate, or free energy stores. There was a significant decrease in muscle enzymes [phosphofructokinase (p less than 0.05), succinate dehydrogenase (p less than 0.02)] and some muscle amino acid levels [glutamine (p less than 0.025), glycine (p less than 0.01), and alanine (p less than 0.02)], while muscle histochemistry showed type II fiber atrophy (p less than 0.025). However, these changes reflect a generalized response to hypocaloric dieting and probably do not explain the specific functional changes. Change in the muscle calcium content is probably an important mediator of the adverse functional effects of malnutrition.
If it is wrong then i will be more then happy to apologize for my spreading of lies.
I can eat up to 2983 calories.
Hope this helps.
What happens if you eat 2984 calories ???
2983 calories, I love that stuff, has no idea of error margins when using his formula. If you think you're formula is that exact then you don't understand how multiple assumptions thrown in a formula all with a slight error will never get such a precise actual result (it's called chance capitalization).
A calorie is indeed a calorie when you fucking burn in vitro.
In the body we don't simply burn our food to ashes, again this idea does not take into consideration the intricate processes that are involved. Again, TA's theories come up short.
TA doesn't know how to use science, he doesn't know what makes research valuable or not, he doesn't know simple statistics.
Seriously he thinks he's the frontman of science but he's making all kinds of layman mistakes..
2983 calories, I love that stuff, has no idea of error margins when using his formula. If you think you're formula is that exact then you don't understand how multiple assumptions thrown in a formula all with a slight error will never get such a precise actual result (it's called chance capitalization).
A calorie is indeed a calorie when you fucking burn in vitro.
In the body we don't simply burn our food to ashes, again this idea does not take into consideration the intricate processes that are involved. Again, TA's theories come up short.
TA doesn't know how to use science, he doesn't know what makes research valuable or not, he doesn't know simple statistics.
Seriously he thinks he's the frontman of science but he's making all kinds of layman mistakes..
I dont read the studies? Riiiiiiiiiight. Ok.....you win....I simply just pull these things out and paste them up here so as to show my abilities at cutting and pasting. (Please read the former statement with EXTREME SARCASM).I never said this was the only way. Honestly man where do you get off with statements like these. The point im trying to prove is there are other ways other then miserable chicken and brocolli.
If you took a step back you would see that there are so many people letting you know that your way is not the ONLY way. That there are MANY approaches to dieting. I will simply re-state my challenge to you that you prep yourself for a show utilizing your 'so easy' approach and then see how you look standing next to someone who does it more traditionally. See who comes out the victor.
In the same regard, have you looked at what Brian Whiatcre eats like...or diets like for his show prep? With the results he gets....are you going to seriously tell him he is doing it wrong?
the body deals with 100g of omega 3 fats a lot different than 100g of trans fats.
calories are not all equal.
The Maillard Reaction:
The Maillard reaction is occurring for most of cooking: such as caramel, or roasting.
What is Maillard reaction?
The Maillard reaction was first discovered by Louis Camille Maillard and the reaction between carbohydrates (sugar) and proteins, and is responsible for changes in color, flavor and nutritive in food.
The Maillard reaction occurs in three main steps:
1. initial step: formation N glycoside
2. After formation of N glycoside the immonium ion is formed and then isomerize, this reaction is called Amadori rearrangement and forms a compound called ketosamine:
The ketosamine products then either dehydrates into reductones and dehydro reductones, which are caramel, or products short chain hydrolytic fission products such as diacetyl, acetol or pyruvaldehyde which then undergo the Strecker degradation.
I never said this was the only way. Honestly man where do you get off with statements like these. The point im trying to prove is there are other ways other then miserable chicken and brocolli.
This is the best diet ever!
Calorie is a calorie!
For a stimulant supplement, smoke atleast 4-5 cigars daily!
You know something....you are completly clueless and just plain ignorant. You have inferred that people eat far too much protein, that meal spacing is pointless, etc. In doing so, you are basically KNOCKING the methods of others. In addition, by putting the word 'miserable' before the whole chicken and brocolli thing is another case where you are adding your own experience (albiet very limited) to it. Just like when you said deadlifts were a worthless exercise. FOR YOU maybe....No... i did agree to it but you are too thick headed. I said i would try it after august. Forgotten already? It is ok.... I have to keep reminding you of everything else, why would i put it past you?
For the record you have avoided commenting on the whole competing challenge I put forth, as well as having you get in touch with Brian Whitacre. Why is that? Oh wait, you probably wont answer those....
No... i did agree to it but you are too thick headed. I said i would try it after august. Forgotten already? It is ok.... I have to keep reminding you of everything else, why would i put it past you?
Hi TA.Hello anonymous skinny fat keyboard warrior preaching typical bodybuilding lore.
Hello anonymous skinny fat keyboard warrior preaching typical bodybuilding lore.
No... i did agree to it but you are too thick headed. I said i would try it after august. Forgotten already? It is ok.... I have to keep reminding you of everything else, why would i put it past you?
You havent reminded me of anything. You never touched on the subject of Brian or dieting down for a show. The thing you wanted to wait for August to do was my challenge to break your daily intake up into one meal of 80% of your total daily caloric intake, and another at 20%. Seems you are the one who is mistaken. Please feel free to check back and prove me wrong. I asked you repeatedly to do a show or talk to Brian. You never came back with any response. Keep trying to bait me son, it isnt going to work. You take till August.....November....n ext January...whatever you like. You know you dont have it in you to even talk to Brian anyway. You fear what he will say.I dont talk to brian because i already know what he is going to say. I know he diets clean. What is the point you are trying to prove? I will compete in time. I am not going to be a 5'11 bantam weight and get beat by a midget. I need more time to grow.
This has grown tiresome to me. You have much to learn...and experience. Good luck with whatever you choose. I am sure you will come back with an attempt at some humor towards me or psycho-babble of how you let me get the last word...blah blah blah blah. You are merely taking in less calories than what you burn. Novel concept. You are not taking in the traditional amount of protein that bodybuilders do. Wow, theres a new concept as well. You are stating that junk food is better than clean food. I am sure you will do fine with that mens health body, it sure seems thats what you want.
I dont talk to brian because i already know what he is going to say. I know he diets clean. What is the point you are trying to prove? I will compete in time. I am not going to be a 5'11 bantam weight and get beat by a midget. I need more time to grow.
You haven't responded to my posts regarding your stance that a calorie is a calorie (in a nutritional sence).Because the exact debate was done in the other thread. Im not going to repeat myself to each individual that comes onto getbig.
Because the exact debate was done in the other thread. Im not going to repeat myself to each individual that comes onto getbig.
Direct me to your responce in the other thread then? ???I would say 100 cals of oats and 100 cals of dextrose are the same yes. One may burn faster then the others but it is still 100 cals.
I would say 100 cals of oats and 100 cals of dextrose are the same yes. One may burn faster then the others but it is still 100 cals.
It's not about "burning" faster, it's about the chemical and biological processes that oats must go through to get to the same energy producing state dextrose does.A calorie is a calorie, right? And it doesn't matter if my 1200 - 1500 calories per day come from all veggies, all carbs, all protein or a balanced blend, right? So other than the nausea, the headaches and the sugar rush, what nutritional damage, if any, can be expected if I consume 1200 calories of Milky Ways and Cokes, for example? For just one day.
These biological processes require energy (calories), so no matter what you have to say on the matter, the end product of 100 cals oats != 100 cals dextrose.
A calorie is a calorie, right? And it doesn't matter if my 1200 - 1500 calories per day come from all veggies, all carbs, all protein or a balanced blend, right? So other than the nausea, the headaches and the sugar rush, what nutritional damage, if any, can be expected if I consume 1200 calories of Milky Ways and Cokes, for example? For just one day.
I'm all for eating shitty foods occasionally, but when the topic is nutrition a calorie is not a calorie in the scientific, energy definition.TA recommends getting RDI. Like i said, i am not his spokes person. I am saying you can cut on McDonalds if you wish. 99% of getbig does not participate in bodybuilding competetion yet they eat oatmeal and all this other clean food and are still fat. That say something. You can turn a blind eye to it if you want but it is the truth.
Digesting 100 cals protein is very different than digesting 100 cals simple carbs.
Who the fuck is Marta? I'm sure I could pull up a scientific journal outlining the benefits of pedophilia: copy and paste only weakens your stance.
Lets not forget the elf stated he was to eat McDonald's without supplementation (I assume this means no vitamin / mineral supplementation) for SIX months. His physique would deteriorate over a six month period due to deficiencies of required vits+mins.
No denying facts.
TA recommends getting RDI. Like i said, i am not his spokes person. I am saying you can cut on McDonalds if you wish. 99% of getbig does not participate in bodybuilding competetion yet they eat oatmeal and all this other clean food and are still fat. That say something. You can turn a blind eye to it if you want but it is the truth.
I agree, but my point is they would have an even higher bodyfat % had they not used a complex carb for that portion of their caloric intake.
I agree, but my point is they would have an even higher bodyfat % had they not used a complex carb for that portion of their caloric intake.Nahhh i think you have water retention confused with fat. Alot of people easily mistake water for fat.
Nahhh i think you have water retention confused with fat. Alot of people easily mistake water for fat.
yes this is the opperative principle of the Atkins diet. People drop water and think they are losing fat.
worst gimmick ever.
Agreed...seems like a gimmick.
TA is overdoing it now, because everybody bashes him he starts new gimmicks to have someone defend him.I've been accused as a gimmick since day one over at MD when i first started posting. I will prove to you im not a gimmick in a few months with concrete evidence if things go as planned.
I've been accused as a gimmick since day one over at MD when i first started posting. I will prove to you im not a gimmick in a few months with concrete evidence if things go as planned.
buttsuck was always a gimmick -- thought you knew...he's not TA, but he's just screwing with your minds. Hence my original statement: "y r u arguing w/ him?"Lie
You're just spamming the board w/ trash...it's old and boring.
You guys who argue w/ buttsuck are just as bad as he is...you're arguing a non-issue. Why?
Lie
the funniest thing about this whole thread is that you guys are debating this with a teenage kids with zero life experience, is he in decent shape? Sure he is but he's not that much better than 1/2 the highschool wrestlers out there, he's hooked up with someone-adonis-who affirms what he says and he thinks he's an expert. It's not like he's walking around at 210lbs with 5% BF, he's about 145lbs.....if LB posted on another site like Intensemuscle he'd get laughed off the site within an hour.Wow... looks like you really can interpret a paragraph or sentence a 1000 ways. Let me make this clear.
LB, do what you do. I give you credit for being in decent shape and sticking to your guns but face facts, you're a teenager for god's sake. You haven't experienced shit and your far from an expert, you're just a blowhard, know-it-all who's somehow convinced yourself that everyone else is wrong and your right.
it's amazing the attitude you have.. Truth be told, you would never, ever have the balls to act like this in person with your whole "I'm better than you and you're an idiot" act. You just come off like a child.
Wow... looks like you really can interpret a paragraph or sentence a 1000 ways. Let me make this clear.
1. I NEVER SAID THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT
2. I NEVER SAID I WAS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS WRONG
3. I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN EXPERT, INFACT I ADMIT I KNOW VERY LITTLE
4. I AM HERE TO OFFER ALTERNATIVES AND SHOW THERE ARE OTHER WAYS
Can you understand that Al? I never called you an idiot. Why are you getting mad for me defeding something that has been proven study after study and for over 50 years to work. Why don't you use your brain and stop trying to discredit others with every fabric of your being. Chill out hahahah and if they was in person i would act the same as i do on here. I haven't called anyone names. I am merely defending weight loss based on eating whatever you want. Plus most people here do not compete. So this is actually very helpful knowledge. I can eat a whole cheese cake and not gain a pound of fat. There are ways around things if you know what you are doing.
I was making a general observation, I didn't read every single letter of every post in this thread that you've made but this is the impression that I get from you.So you read just the bad posts and form a generalized opinion.... I hope you don't do this with other things in life. It could be detrimental to you.
Leafy bug maybe a young dude, but he owns practically everyone in this thread. embarassing yes. some people have natural owning abilities . natural al dont be so bitter perhaps he possesses the book of knowledge?
So you read just the bad posts and form a generalized opinion.... I hope you don't do this with other things in life. It could be detrimental to you.
lets see..you posted for months as buttsuck and you were a dick, you've been posting under this handle for a few weeks and your a dick for the most part, I'm calling a spade a spade. The last part of your statement is a joke, I have a good job, I know how to act in real life ;)Buttsuck was a gimmick. That part of my life is over. I am here to help people.
Leafy bug maybe a young dude, but he owns practically everyone in this thread. embarassing yes. some people have natural owning abilities . natural al dont be so bitter perhaps he possesses the book of knowledge?
I've been accused as a gimmick since day one over at MD when i first started posting. I will prove to you im not a gimmick in a few months with concrete evidence if things go as planned.
Buttsuck was a gimmick. That part of my life is over. I am here to help people.
Why do you have a gimmick account in the first place? Why the sudden change of heart to start helping people?
I'm sure this little wannabe utilitarists real mission is to suck up to female BB's here. He's already well on his way.Hahah i only talk to lori because she is a friend. She is the only female on this site i talk to and i met her over at MD.
Hahah i only talk to lori because she is a friend. She is the only female on this site i talk to and i met her over at MD.
Wow... looks like you really can interpret a paragraph or sentence a 1000 ways. Let me make this clear.
1. I NEVER SAID THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT
2. I NEVER SAID I WAS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS WRONG
3. I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN EXPERT, INFACT I ADMIT I KNOW VERY LITTLE
4. I AM HERE TO OFFER ALTERNATIVES AND SHOW THERE ARE OTHER WAYS
Can you understand that Al? I never called you an idiot. Why are you getting mad for me defeding something that has been proven study after study and for over 50 years to work. Why don't you use your brain and stop trying to discredit others with every fabric of your being. Chill out hahahah and if they was in person i would act the same as i do on here. I haven't called anyone names. I am merely defending weight loss based on eating whatever you want. Plus most people here do not compete. So this is actually very helpful knowledge. I can eat a whole cheese cake and not gain a pound of fat. There are ways around things if you know what you are doing.
Meltdown, TA.
Now delete this account and create a new one. ;D ;D
ahahahaaha TRUST ME...LB is NOT TA. ;)
can somebody tell whats going on here?? dont want to read all that. adonis do you really enjoy eating at Mac every day. id get sick of that food every day.
i eat fast food very often in the offseason, yet really do not get fat..of course though, adonis' diet is bullshit. he's just trying to get attention/be annoying.
obviously, to lose weight, your total caloric intake must be below your maitinence.
junk foods, like donuts and mcdonalds, are extremely calorie dense, so you cannot eat a great deal of that type of food while staying under your maitinence.
for example, say someones maitinence is 3000 calories a day.
under the 'adonis diet', to just MAINTAIN, not lose weight. you could eat about the following daily
3 dougnuts
big mac
some fries
a small drink
DAILY.
lets say you eat say..5 times daily
each meal divded would be
1 fifth of a big mac
1 fifth of an order of fries
2/3rds of a dounut
1 5th of a soda
and how much protein would you get out of all that total, like 20-30 grams??
i would be starving, and waste away.
come on...
Follow along with me. Join me. Get in the best shape of your life, eating the greatest, most nutritious, and most economical food available to date.
This is when your bullshit goes to far and becomes very obvious. Most nutritious, oh brother. ::)What is more nutritious than not over consuming any nutrient and energy value, meeting the RDI,RDA?
What is more nutritious than not over consuming any nutrient and energy value, meeting the RDI,RDA?
Nothing.
Matt,
You are ignorant and fat.
Not all of us want the longest possible life if the trade is that we can't have any muscle either. I am willing to sacrifice a few years of my lifespan if it means being more muscular for the other years of my life.is adonis still a moderator on your board, matt?
TA,
You have no physics degree and cannot deadlift 225 for 113.
is adonis still a moderator on your board, matt?
LOL...technically yes, but I had to ban his account for two years in case he went there to fuck the place up.
Not all of us want the longest possible life if the trade is that we can't have any muscle either. I am willing to sacrifice a few years of my lifespan if it means being more muscular for the other years of my life.
TA,
You have no physics degree and cannot deadlift 225 for 113.
Epic fatty:
Brutal faggy sneakers LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115676.0;attach=175282;image)
What's gay is wearing socks with shorts. If that is the case then Matt may very well be gay. TA is still a stupid fuck tho.Because it is nutrient dense. Pizza for example is the most nutrient dense food you can buy in a groccery store.
How can McDonalds be the greatest nutritional source when it can deplete your vitamin/nutrient conent? TA is one stupid fucking elf.
Because it is nutrient dense. Pizza for example is the most nutrient dense food you can buy in a groccery store.
Does your nutrient density include vits+mins?Yes, but not in a big mac though unless you are just looking for calcium.
What's gay is wearing socks with shorts. If that is the case then Matt may very well be gay. TA is still a stupid fuck tho.Deplete nutrient content? HAHAHAH Oh brother I have heard it all now.
How can McDonalds be the greatest nutritional source when it can deplete your vitamin/nutrient conent? TA is one stupid fucking elf.
Deplete nutrient content? HAHAHAH Oh brother I have heard it all now.Haven't you heard Adam? Supposedly Mcdonalds is almost like a diueretic for nutrients. I also here that there a magical forest where unicorns and pixies prance together playing magical flutes and angels watch over them.
Haven't you heard Adam? Supposedly Mcdonalds is almost like a diueretic for nutrients. I also here that there a magical forest where unicorns and pixies prance together playing magical flutes and angels watch over them.Is that the same forest that is filled with football players, friends and cousins who don`t lift weights but are under 6 feet tall, over 200 lbs ripped
Is that the same forest that is filled with football players, friends and cousins who don`t lift weights but are under 6 feet tall, over 200 lbs rippedYes, and they all pray to Jesus and President Bush in that very same forest.
i'm looking to tone my abs.
can one of you gentlemen recommend any diet advice?
also, can you please list your credentials and client base?
Thank you,
Paul
Brutal faggy sneakers LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115676.0;attach=175282;image)
My mom bought them for me.
Haven't you heard Adam? Supposedly Mcdonalds is almost like a diueretic for nutrients. I also here that there a magical forest where unicorns and pixies prance together playing magical flutes and angels watch over them.
just on the outskirts of that forest, there lives a pro bodybuilder who never had gay sex.
What is more nutritious than not over consuming any nutrient and energy value, meeting the RDI,RDA?
Nothing.
Matt,
You are ignorant and fat.
You've repeatedly stated that the great thing about "your" kind of diet is that "you can whatever you want".
You claimed to be loving the Ben and Jerrys, Oreos and eating Krispy Kremes, even posting pics of all these items you ate.
I can understand if you're a sucker for McDonalds, Ben and Jerrys and Krispy Kremes. Everyone's taste in food is different, I guess. ;D
Some people like McDonald's, while some like paella or other dishes. It's just the way things are.
But your food choices, lets say, they aren't optimal. 8)
TA says he "eats whatever he wants", meanwhile ONE big mac meal would be close to the requisite daily calorie intake per day on his diet. Monster "eating whatever you want". ::)
well, he never said "eat however much you want".
a 1/3 of an oreo cookie and half a big mac a day is not how i choose to live my life.
isn't he currently eating dog food?
well, he never said "eat however much you want".
a 1/3 of an oreo cookie and half a big mac a day is not how i choose to live my life.
isn't he currently eating dog food?
hahaha, greyhound food.. :-\
Hopefully he eats some horrible shit from china and gets sick.
well, he never said "eat however much you want".
a 1/3 of an oreo cookie and half a big mac a day is not how i choose to live my life.
isn't he currently eating dog food?
3 big macs are only 1650 calories.
Three big macs for a whole day? Still sounds like very little and is pushing the calorie limits of TA's diet.
Question: if it was really that simple, why wouldn't more pros do it in TA's way?
you just implied that it isn't easy. A pro would be able to eat more, since they have more muscle of course anyway.
Pros just like amateurs are still afraid of losing muscle so they are afraid to try a diet that isn't clean.
And 0 pros have discovered TA's secret? Seems odd that something so effective would not have been uncovered over so many years. Seems ridiculous actually.
And 0 pros have discovered TA's secret? Seems odd that something so effective would not have been uncovered over so many years. Seems ridiculous actually.
A lot of people have said that dexter jackson eats McD's right up until contest...oh also Matt, pretty pathetic how you dodged my question in your own thread. More womanly avoid and reassert tactics
A lot of people have said that dexter jackson eats McD's right up until contest
Do you think everyone has the ability to eat McD's and look like Dex? Is it possible that there is some genetic variability in how humans process and assimilate food?
While TA and his crew are correct in saying that humans respond in the same manner to the same inputs over the entire population, they seem to ignore the fact that individuals can be total outliers in a data set. He speaks as if there are no exceptions to the mean.
As you know, TA is above statistics.
Did he take a stats course as part of his physics degree program? ;)
I don't feel like answering questions until someone from Team TA addresses why TA feels he deserves any credibility at all after lying about his education.
Do you think everyone has the ability to eat McD's and look like Dex? Is it possible that there is some genetic variability in how humans process and assimilate food?
fat boy
It's called steroids, not genetics.Its called eating low calories.
Its called eating low calories.
While TA and his crew are correct in saying that humans respond in the same manner to the same inputs over the entire population, they seem to ignore the fact that individuals can be total outliers in a data set. He speaks as if there are no exceptions to the mean.Yeah there are exceptions..... if you have muscular dystrophy..
Do you think everyone has the ability to eat McD's and look like Dex? Is it possible that there is some genetic variability in how humans process and assimilate food?no... we are all the same. You can try to make differences all you want. I bet you are one of those in the closet raciest who tries to pretend there are genetic differences that exist when it comes to this.
no... we are all the same. You can try to make differences all you want. I bet you are one of those in the closet raciest who tries to pretend there are genetic differences that exist when it comes to this.
Many of the black African races became lactose intolerant along with other races across the world.You refusing to believe this simple concept is equated to a bible sales man who refuses to understand evolution.
Now, it is very rare for northern Europeans to be lactose intolerent because it has been in our diet for thousands of years.
There are variations in different races digestive processes. Fact.
You refusing to believe this simple concept is equated to a bible sales man who refuses to understand evolution.
no... we are all the same. You can try to make differences all you want. I bet you are one of those in the closet raciest who tries to pretend there are genetic differences that exist when it comes to this.
Pretend there are genetic differences? Pretending has nothing to do with it. Adjusting for all possible variables, there are still differences amongst races in terms of average IQ score. That is scientific fact. If you want, I will be glad to post you dozens of peer reviewed literature pieces which prove that too.
no... we are all the same. You can try to make differences all you want. I bet you are one of those in the closet raciest who tries to pretend there are genetic differences that exist when it comes to this.
The_Leafy_Bug - why do some people eat roughly the same diet but look totally different?Because we have different DNA shit head. Im not denying genetic difference. But when you subtract 1 from 3 you will always get 2. What universe are you living in?
Because we have different DNA shit head. Im not denying genetic difference. But when you subtract 1 from 3 you will always get 2. What universe are you living in?
no... we are all the same. You can try to make differences all you want. I bet you are one of those in the closet raciest who tries to pretend there are genetic differences that exist when it comes to this.
Because we have different DNA shit head. Im not denying genetic difference. But when you subtract 1 from 3 you will always get 2. What universe are you living in?
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You claim we are "all the same," yet you realize that there are genetic differences? You're contradicting yourself, son.If you feed 2 overweight dogs of the same breed, one with table scraps, and the other with dog food on a restricted calorie diet will they both lose weight? Will they both retain the same ammount of muscle. Lets say 2 dogs with myostatin deletion.... Or how about just 2 normal dogs. Do you think you will tell a differece?
I'm not "trying to make differences," I'm using facts and science, you would know this if you had attended even high school science class.
If you feed 2 overweight dogs of the same breed, one with table scraps, and the other with dog food on a restricted calorie diet will they both lose weight? Will they both retain the same ammount of muscle. Lets say 2 dogs with myostatin deletion.... Or how about just 2 normal dogs. Do you think you will tell a differece?
BUTTsuckBUG is a demented little geeky fag.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make.We are talking about HUMANS... Thats like saying a brown dog won't reaact to the exact same diet the the white dog will. We are talking about humans here. Not humans and neanderthals.
Canines are of the same genus and species. It's minor genetic variations that account for the multiple breeds, say a pitbull vs. a doberman, vs. a greyhound for instance. Realize that there are genetic differences. If you fed a toy poodle and a great dane the same 10kg of food, what do you think would happen?
There are genetic differences between humans. There are vast differences in translation of proteins. eg. skin pigmentation, secretory enzymes, mitochondrial DNA, etc.. etc..
I'm not saying that total caloric intake is unimportant. In fact it's probably the most important factor. But to ignore differences in macronutrients, metabolic pathways, enzyme regulation etc..., is simply ignorant.
We are talking about HUMANS... Thats like saying a brown dog won't reaact to the exact same diet the the white dog will. We are talking about humans here. Not humans and neanderthals.
We are talking about HUMANS... Thats like saying a brown dog won't reaact to the exact same diet the the white dog will. We are talking about humans here. Not humans and neanderthals.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make.
Canines are of the same genus and species. It's minor genetic variations that account for the multiple breeds, say a pitbull vs. a doberman, vs. a greyhound for instance. Realize that there are genetic differences. If you fed a toy poodle and a great dane the same 10kg of food, what do you think would happen?
There are genetic differences between humans. There are vast differences in translation of proteins. eg. skin pigmentation, secretory enzymes, mitochondrial DNA, etc.. etc..
I'm not saying that total caloric intake is unimportant. In fact it's probably the most important factor. But to ignore differences in macronutrients, metabolic pathways, enzyme regulation etc..., is simply ignorant.
While TA and his crew are correct in saying that humans respond in the same manner to the same inputs over the entire population, they seem to ignore the fact that individuals can be total outliers in a data set. He speaks as if there are no exceptions to the mean.
No flame. How do dogs have "minor genetic variations that account for the multiple breeds, say a pitbull vs. a doberman, vs. a greyhound for instance" and humans have "vast differences in translation of proteins. eg. skin pigmentation, secretory enzymes, mitochondrial DNA, etc.. etc.."
I thought if anything it would be the other way around. I would think that humans were more similar to each other than different breeds of dogs. Dogs have gone through some hardcore changes due to humans selection of certain traits. I think people are pretty similar, especially in comparison to something as extreme as breeds of dogs. Could be wrong however.
How do you figure, since there are different ethnicities of humans?
dude, you're a kid. you know as much about human physiology and nutrition as you do about nuclear science and the global economy. a few google searches and regurgitating what adonis says doesn't mean you know shit about shit. you don't even have a particularly impressive physique that would back up your theories, you're just lean. i knew kids in high school that looked like you do just from wrestling practices without lifting weights. that's not a flame, it's just reality.I never claimed to be an expert magoo. Just said that it was possible to lose weight and maintain muscle mass on a free calorie diet. Before you critisize someones physique i think you should take a look at yourself in the mirror.
sit back, quit acting like an expert, and come back to us when you actually have some experience under your belt.
I never claimed to be an expert magoo. Just said that it was possible to lose weight and maintain muscle mass on a free calorie diet. Before you critisize someones physique i think you should take a look at yourself in the mirror.
You think they are as drastic as dog breeds?
Do not confuse phenotypic variation with genetic variation. The observable differences you see in dogs has been selected for over the last few hundred years. Humans selected dogs to display different traits which was the basis for the various "breeds". At the genetic level, there are actually only a few key genes that cause the variations between breeds. These are used as satelite genetic markers to identify various breeds for authenticity at dog shows, etc... This is why I used the phrase "minor differences." - genetically speaking they are very similar, and amazingly only a few genes set them apart. Dogs may look wildly different, but at the base pair level, there are actually more differences in humans than dogs. (With the exception of about 1% of highly conserved sequences.) Dog breeds tend to "intermarry "and "inbreed" (kind of like mid-western Americans and Hutterites :)) In contrast, most humans marry across different ethnicities etc... contributing to greater genetic variation. In addition, there are many gene products that have variations that you "do not see" as readily as say hair colour. For example, the human CF gene has about a thousand known variations that can lead to clinical CF.
All I am saying is that there are genetic differences between humans in terms of digestion, absorption, and metabolism of food.
I really read through the post and the other post I commented on. It made me think. I still tend to disagree in regards to phenotype variation (it seemed to be hodgepodged in the posts), which is what I thought we were talking about.
"Dogs may look wildly different, but at the base pair level, there are actually more differences in humans than dogs".
I am curious if you have a reference. This is an interesting fact.
"All I am saying is that there are genetic differences between humans in terms of digestion, absorption, and metabolism of food".
Truth, but I think most digest very similarly across the board.
You will find the concept of phenotypic selection (i.e dog breeding) on genetic variation in any genetics textbook. There is a loss of genetic information and variability proportional to the amount of selection. For example, if you breed a certain type of dog to have "short legs," it and its offspring will always have short legs...the medium and long leg variants would have been wiped out...This concept is why certain breeds of dogs (and interbred human populations) are susceptible to certain genetic diseases. "Mutts" have more genetic variation. Most human populations are not selectively bred, and those that interbreed have less genetic variability.My formula is used to derive the total caloric intake for each individual. Its not a cookie-cutter method, everyone will end up with a different ability for total energy consumption. What my formula does, is predict each person max total caloric intake without gaining a gram of fat.
The physiological process of digestion, absorbption and metabolism may be basically the same between people, but is enough genetic variance to make it significant if you are dieting. For example, there can be 30-50% difference between a patients' insulin secretion response to the same oral glucose load. (Type 1 diabetics are a different story) There is a large variation in degree of insulin resistance in the human population (of course there are both genetic and environmental factors). Varying degrees of lactase deficiency, variable expressitivity and secretion of amylase, peptases, lipases and other digestive enzymes vary between patients affecting the digestive part of the equation. Look up the research on the SGLT and GLUT transporter which shows genetic differences between people for carbohydrate absorption. Bottom line: everyone is different.
Total caloric intake is probably the most important, but you cannot use the same thing/formula for everyone.
My formula is used to derive the total caloric intake for each individual. Its not a cookie-cutter method, everyone will end up with a different ability for total energy consumption. What my formula does, is predict each person max total caloric intake without gaining a gram of fat.
How can your "formula" be valid, when caloric expandure varies from day to day?
-Hedge
How can your "formula" be valid, when caloric expandure varies from day to day?
-Hedge
My formula is used to derive the total caloric intake for each individual. Its not a cookie-cutter method, everyone will end up with a different ability for total energy consumption. What my formula does, is predict each person max total caloric intake without gaining a gram of fat.
Hence why I start all of my subjects on a calorie constant for my formula.
How can your "formula" be valid, when caloric expandure varies from day to day?
-Hedge
Hence why I start all of my subjects on a calorie constant for my formula.
You left Tweeter hanging in a major way.... :-\
Didn't tweeter drop the whole thing? I noticed that he ended the thread about it in the nutrition board.
Hence why I start all of my subjects on a calorie constant for my formula.
Hence why I start all of my subjects on a calorie constant for my formula.
First before I answer any question....Yes I did read EVERY SINGLE STUDY and I am glad you just admitted that you did not. Shows the great ignorance you posess in the face of Science. You are doing yourself a huge injustice by not carefully reading facts and Scientific studies, instead, choosing myths and lies with no evidence.
With that said, I will answer.
1. RDA and DRI values set by the United States Government from independent research and from: Alliance for Aging Research
American Association of Diabetes Educators
American Council on Science and Health
American Institute for Cancer Research
American Obesity Association
Harvard Medical School
MedStar Research Institute
National Consumers League
National Women's Health Resource Center
Nutritional Sciences Program at the University of Washington
Pennington Biomedical Research Center
Shape Up America!
Society for Women's Health Research
University of California at Davis Department of Nutrition
UCLA Center for Human Nutrition
Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center
1. I set a constant caloric amount for a period of time and look for trends. Once I establish identifiable trends, I then have an EXACT amount of info to use my equation so that I can PROVIDE an EXACT caloric amount. The revised caloric amount I give is the amount that you can safely eat without gaining a gram of fat. This is continually updated as well so you will always have accurate data.
2. Get the RDA,DRI. I don`t care what you eat to do that. DO NOT OVEREAT caloric amount. Eat whatever you like to get there. Nothing is off-limits.
3. That depends on your goals. My goal is to mantain low bodyfat constantly and not for a specific day. Others may differ.
4. The number of calories is solely based on each individuals data. What you choose to do with the data is up to you. A weekly average yields great results if there is not too much variance. Too much variance would be not meeting the RDA, DRI for a day. While unlikely to happen, it could, given your faceitious idea of fasting for multiple days.
5. Again, it is up to each individuals data. Sometimes I eat a 1000 calorie meal. If I am eating 2500, I will break the 1500 up the rest of the day or eat whatever it takes to get to my target of 2500. Now, if I find myself eating lots of those meals, a weekly average is a safe way to ensure you aren`t overeating. If your weekly total is 21,000 calories ,or 3000 a day, you can eat 2000, for lets say 3 days. Now you have 15,000 calories to "spend". You have effectively created a surplus to use whenever you`d like.
6. Every person`s number varies as it is based on their needs. Chaseinator can eat 3253.130 calories and not gain a gram of weight. This data is obtained over a period of time which totally eliminates error.
7. I wasn`t ready to reveal my methodology. Garreth would be wise to follow that advice or any advice which will reduce his caloric amount as he is obese and a health risk. I am on to something big here and it will only get bigger as I have a few projects to work on in the coming months. I would do everything I can to help you, if you would like it.
Again,
Do what I requested if you are interested. If not, just move on.
I do not wish to provide you or anyone with it, if they are not going to comply.
I am willing to help you for free. Its totally up to you.
I am going to give Tweeter his data this week.
Abeles, how can you provide an exact caloric amount when the caloric expandure varies from day to day?
Also:
What happened with you giving Tweeter his data?
-Hedge
...Also, I have had a difficult time communicating with TA through pm's and never recieved the formula. Originally, I was suppose to eat 1,800 calories for 1 month in order to get the constant...that turned into 15 pounds of weight loss which turned into 2 months which turned into 20 pounds of weight loss. I do believe that TA has this formula but I really don't have the time to wait around on him, and feel that 1,800 calories is a little low to remain on for that peroid of time. I do understand that TA is very busy doing research and likely does not have much time available to constantly be reading pm's, so there are no hard feelings. To my knowledge, all of the other case studies have ended also, so I can see why it might not be on the front of his mind.
Although I didn't get the actual formula, I still incorporate many of TA's principles into my diet and training. For example, I am only eating around 100 grams of protein per day now rather than 200; I also have quit obsessing about eating every 2 or 3 hours and have instead just focused on staying w/in a certain calorie range each day. I used to follow the diets out of Flex, which just had way too many calories for my body to handle. I now try to eat a variety of foods including fruits, vegetables, and dairy products (I used to be wary of eating fruit and especially dairy). I think one of my big problems before was that I was eating a ton of rice as I thought it was the perfect bodybuilding food; I would probably eat about 1,000 calories worth of rice some days. I am much happier now w/ my diet and even though I don't have the formula, I pretty much know about how much I can eat. TA and I are still friends and stay in contact regularly. We don't really talk about bodybuilding all that much; we mainly discuss politics, astronomy, his scientific research, and stuff like that...so its all good.
P.S. Lori, congrats on your show; you looked awesome!
Although I didn't get the actual formula, I still incorporate many of TA's principles into my diet and training. For example, I am only eating around 100 grams of protein per day now rather than 200
And Abeles never recommended any kind of protein ratios. He's claimed many times you can eat whatever you want, as long as you meet the caloric total.
That's where anyone with any basic knowledge of nutrition will realise this Gay Jewish Nazi knows jack shit about nutrition.
So... 2500 calories of donuts = 2500 cals from decent diet
He's a Jew and worships the Nazi culture (but it's Goebbels, not Goebells ;)).
But we don't know if he's gay. What do you think:
However, he claims he is not.
-Hedge
I thought the "formula" was eat ~1500-1800 cals a day of anything no matter how much you weigh, no cardio, and lift 3-4 times a week
Yeah, that could've been a niche for Abeles.
But his formula, the secret formula, was used to pinpoint the exact caloric expandure for every individual.
"Teh Formula".
Oh brother.
-Hedge
You will find the concept of phenotypic selection (i.e dog breeding) on genetic variation in any genetics textbook. There is a loss of genetic information and variability proportional to the amount of selection. For example, if you breed a certain type of dog to have "short legs," it and its offspring will always have short legs...the medium and long leg variants would have been wiped out...This concept is why certain breeds of dogs (and interbred human populations) are susceptible to certain genetic diseases. "Mutts" have more genetic variation. Most human populations are not selectively bred, and those that interbreed have less genetic variability.
The physiological process of digestion, absorbption and metabolism may be basically the same between people, but is enough genetic variance to make it significant if you are dieting. For example, there can be 30-50% difference between a patients' insulin secretion response to the same oral glucose load. (Type 1 diabetics are a different story) There is a large variation in degree of insulin resistance in the human population (of course there are both genetic and environmental factors). Varying degrees of lactase deficiency, variable expressitivity and secretion of amylase, peptases, lipases and other digestive enzymes vary between patients affecting the digestive part of the equation. Look up the research on the SGLT and GLUT transporter which shows genetic differences between people for carbohydrate absorption. Bottom line: everyone is different.
Total caloric intake is probably the most important, but you cannot use the same thing/formula for everyone.
Where are TA's McDonald's receipts?
"Dogs may look wildly different, but at the base pair level, there are actually more differences in humans than dogs".
If you can find a reference to support this you will have credibility with me and I will concede on this dog breed topic. However if you find some stats they cannot be between one breed. I don't want to see variation between a pitbull and a pitbull (there will be little difference genotypically or phenotypically I gather). I am talking a poodle and pitbull (I gather a decent variation in genotype and phenotype)versus a human and human.
Sorry to get off on a tanget, this thread is supposed to be about Adonis and McD's... (but Leafy Bug brought up dogs...)
Once again, do not confuse
Humans have the most genetic diversity among animals (dog breeds included). "In general, genetic diversity is synonymous with mean heterozygosity."
Table 1. Comparative figures for the genetic diversity of humans and a variety of other large mammals (sampled across much or all of their range except as noted), based on autosomal microsatellites (He and Ho = expected and observed heterozygosity, respectively):
Species He Ho
Humans [18] -- 0.776
Humans [19] -- 0.70-0.76
Humans [20] -- 0.588-0.807
Chimpanzees [21] 0.78 0.73
Chimpanzees [22] -- 0.630
African buffalo [23] 0.759 0.729
Leopards [24] 0.36-0.80 --
Jaguars [25] 0.739 --
Polar bears [26] 0.68 --
Brown bears (N. America) [27] 0.26-0.76 0.30-0.79
Brown bears (Scandinavia) [28] 0.709 0.665
Canada lynx [29] -- 0.66
Bighorn sheep [30] 0.681 0.566
Coyote [31] 0.675 0.583
Gray wolf (N. America) [32] 0.620 0.528
Pumas [33] -- 0.52
Bonobos [34] 0.59 0.48
Dogs (42 breeds) [35] 0.616 0.401
African wild dogs [36] 0.643 --
Australian dingo [37] 0.47 0.42
Wolverines (N. America) [38] 0.42-0.68 --
Wolverines (Scandinavia) [39] -- 0.27-0.38
Elk (North America) [40] 0.26-0.53 --
Full references and can be found at the bottom: http://www.goodrumj.com/RFaqHTML.html (I dont know if the author is related to Vince :))
There is even less diversity within dog breeds because of the reasons I listed before. If you want more info let me know, I'll see if I can dig some stuff up.
Cheers
Where are TA's McDonald's receipts?
Yeah, I am thinking I am following more of a general sports nutrition diet now than a bodybuilding diet, but I am liking it. I will hopefully be able to make some good progress in the next couple months as I have just moved to Atlanta and don't know anyone here so all I really have to do is go workout. I have also been running alot too and want to do a 5k race in August; this has made a need for me to eat a diet w/ a little more carbs and fat than traditional bodybuilding diets. I'm also considering doing the Mr. Getbig in October for some extra motivation and fun. I know I can't compete w/ the top dogs over here yet, but it would be a good challenge nonetheless.
I would like an answer to why the people you listed, either in this thread or the other, were considered 'legendary naturals'.
I would like an answer to why the people you listed, either in this thread or the other, were considered 'legendary naturals'.They are the most well known naturals on this board and have all posted pics. They also contribute their wealth of knowledge on a regular basis (especially TA and DaddyWaddy). They are the legendary kings of Getbig.com.
They are the most well known naturals on this board and have all posted pics. They also contribute their wealth of knowledge on a regular basis (especially TA and DaddyWaddy). They are the legendary kings of Getbig.com.
They are the most well known naturals on this board and have all posted pics. They also contribute their wealth of knowledge on a regular basis (especially TA and DaddyWaddy). They are the legendary kings of Getbig.com.
The Legendary Kings do not take kindly to your passive agression. Be careful, or else their Magical Emperor will signal his Weakly-Godlike Systemlord to put in a request to the Incomprehensible Basementlevel Sysadmin to delete you.
With all due respect, neither Abeles or daddywaddy have ever competed in a regular bodybuilding competition.
whateva is Mr Getbig.I guess I mainly just know the guys who post the most on the Gossip and Opinions board. Daddywaddy and TA are definately the most entertaining though!
Babyherc has a Q&A thread where you can ask him questions.
INSOMNIA has been here since the old board.
THE BEAST, DrugFree4Life, Cham, Jodels...
With all due respect, neither Abeles or daddywaddy have ever competed in a regular bodybuilding competition.
Abeles? He told whateva that a beer-only diet was ok. That's the level of knowledge you can expect from him apparently.
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daddywadders a cool bloke with a very good physique (it's getting worse though for some reason), but I have yet to see a single post from him that suggests he has a "wealth of knowledge". At least not on nutrition or natural bodybuilding.
When looking at pics of him at his biggest, and current pics, he looks to have lost 40-50 lbs, and a lot of it looks to be lean mass.
He used to be a pec monster. WTF happened? :-\
-Hedge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49683SGaEME&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49683SGaEME&mode=related&search=)
I had not seen this before...scary :o