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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
Here are two pictures from today and two pictures of my projected physique after only one month of using the TA principles. TA says he will help me go from my current body fat of 29% to 3% in that time.
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That is funny as shit!
And very true...
Oh yeah, you forgot to fake deadlifting 225 a thousand times.
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Funny stuff, but all kidding aside, I think his principles could work well for you. You don't have much weight to lose as it is.
Also, you might want to dial 911, because someone stole your back. :)
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hahah those pics are funny as hit. but you have made improvements good job
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Hey Matt,
I`m going to instant message you in about an hour or so, as I just got back from the gym,
Heading to the store to get some Expensive Wine.
When I get back, we will discuss the master plan.
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Heading to the store to get some Expensive Wine.
hahahahahha
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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
Here are two pictures from today and two pictures of my projected physique after only one month of using the TA principles. TA says he will help me go from my current body fat of 29% to 3% in that time.
ROLF!!!!!! Who messed up the first two pics?
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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
Here are two pictures from today and two pictures of my projected physique after only one month of using the TA principles. TA says he will help me go from my current body fat of 29% to 3% in that time.
you are 10-12%,,
your physiqe will not show abs unless you are under 8% because your abs are not developed,,if they were you would see them at your current bodyfat%,,,many builders with 12% can see 4-6 pack visible because their abs are developed enough,,it takes time of abdominal work and ofcourse drugs
from what i see you are 10-12% and need to lose ~ 25lb for true 6% from whatever weight you are currently
bulk dont cut
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you are 10-12%,,
your physiqe will not show abs unless you are under 8% because your abs are not developed,,if they were you would see them at your current bodyfat%,,,many builders with 12% can see 4-6 pack visible because their abs are developed enough,,it takes time of abdominal work and ofcourse drugs
from what i see you are 10-12% and need to lose ~ 25lb for true 6% from whatever weight you are currently
bulk dont cut
word.... Bulk up another 20
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Nice try Adonis. Expensive wine ::)
Does it come in a cardboard box?
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We bought Stags Leap, Artemis.
Its 50 dollars. Not too bad.
Jezebelle and I split a bottle a night.
Matt,
Get on IM`s.
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Oh brother ::)
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I'd get bulking, add another 15-20lbs and see how you are at that.
Don't take this the wrong way, but it doesn't look like you do much heavy back work? Deads, bent rows, etc.?
Excellent delts though ;D
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We bought Stags Leap, Artemis.
Its 50 dollars. Not too bad.
Jezebelle and I split a bottle a night.
Matt,
Get on IM`s.
WHat wine website do you go on to find out what to say. You are a joke. You should take the bottle and hit yourself over the head.
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TA - red wine isn't good for you when you drink the whole bottle. :-X
Again, We split the bottle, 3 glasses each for us.
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WHat wine website do you go on to find out what to say. You are a joke. You should take the bottle and hit yourself over the head.
man you have quite the hard-on for Adonis don't you?
Maybe you should jerk off to a picture of him, and get it over with.
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Again, We split the bottle, 3 glasses each for us.
A glass of wine is 4 oz.
for those that don`t know.
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Again, We split the bottle, 3 glasses each for us.
So thats 300 calories.
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Its 50 dollars. Not too bad.
Jezebelle and I split a bottle a night.
What a waste of $350 a week!
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What a waste of $350 a week!
I enjoy wine. It is a passion of mine at this point. I do not think it is a waste at all. Plus as studies show so far, you will increase longevity and ward off sickness and disease.
That is priceless in my opinion.
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So thats 300 calories.
There's 7 calories per gram of ALCOHOL (for those who don't know.....Adonis), how do you figure 300 calories?
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I enjoy wine. It is a passion of mine at this point. I do not think it is a waste at all. Plus as studies show so far, you will increase longevity and ward off sickness and disease.
That is priceless in my opinion.
hahaha. Anyway did you post your degree yet. Also the deadlift video. Thanks
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There's 7 calories per gram of ALCOHOL (for those who don't know.....Adonis), how do you figure 300 calories?
I drink 3 , 4oz glasses.
Each glass is 100 calories.
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http://www.calorieking.com/
That should help.
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There's 7 calories per gram of ALCOHOL (for those who don't know.....Adonis), how do you figure 300 calories?
Wine is around 13% alcohol.
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We bought Stags Leap, Artemis.
what year?
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I enjoy wine. It is a passion of mine at this point. I do not think it is a waste at all. Plus as studies show so far, you will increase longevity and ward off sickness and disease.
That is priceless in my opinion.
Well la-de-da, look at Mr. Sophisticated. You should only drink to enhance social skills.
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http://www.calorieking.com/
That should help.
http://www.uhs.uga.edu/documents/nutrition_alcohol.pdf
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what year?
2004
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http://www.uhs.uga.edu/documents/nutrition_alcohol.pdf
what's your point? wine isn't pure alcohol.
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says 77 calories for glass of wine there.
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Calorie Table for Wine
Please note: all calorie values are approximate
Wine (4 fl oz) Calories
Beaujolais 95
Bordeaux, red 95
Burgundy, red 95
Burgundy, white 90
Cabernet Sauvignon 90
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what's your point? wine isn't pure alcohol.
::)
He needs to learn there's ALOT more to nutrition than just calories...........his "formula" must have got lost in his translation or just plain ol didn't take it into consideration, if he's so into longevity, he would know that eating shit WILL NOT prolong life!
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what's your point? wine isn't pure alcohol.
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says 77 calories for glass of wine there.
I never stated whether it was more or less now did I?
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He needs to learn there's ALOT more to nutrition than just calories...........his "formula" must have got lost in his translation or just plain ol didn't take it into consideration, if he's so into longevity, he would know that eating shit WILL NOT prolong life!
Again.
Do your research.
I get the optimal amount of nutrients and minerals and I also enjoy anything I want.
I do not overeat.
You overeat and are obese. You are a health risk.
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you are 10-12%,,
your physiqe will not show abs unless you are under 8% because your abs are not developed,,if they were you would see them at your current bodyfat%,,,many builders with 12% can see 4-6 pack visible because their abs are developed enough,,it takes time of abdominal work and ofcourse drugs
from what i see you are 10-12% and need to lose ~ 25lb for true 6% from whatever weight you are currently
bulk dont cut
Point taken. I'm assuming you're with Matt on the "drowned rat" prediction, which is understandable. He probably would look pretty thin at 160, and I could see where you'd prefer to see him carry a little more size before cutting down. Now what about this: What if Matt's gonna stay natural? Should he still bulk before dieting down if that's the case? How much difference is his bulking up 15-20 pounds naturally before cutting naturally gonna make in the grand scheme of things? How much natural weight do you approximate he'll carry at 6% if he starts dieting now, as opposed to going up to, say, 195-200 before cutting without drugs?
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Point taken. I'm assuming you're with Matt on the "drowned rat" prediction, which is understandable. He probably would look pretty thin at 160, and I could see where you'd prefer to see him carry a little more size before cutting down. Now what about this: What if Matt's gonna stay natural? Should he still bulk before dieting down if that's the case? How much difference is his bulking up 15-20 pounds naturally before cutting naturally gonna make in the grand scheme of things? How much natural weight do you approximate he'll carry at 6% if he starts dieting now, as opposed to going up to, say, 195-200 before cutting without drugs?
There is no point for him to go to 200 lbs as it will be all fat he gains at this point.
Matt is an idiot if he thinks otherwise.
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There is no point for him to go to 200 lbs as it will be all fat he gains at this point.
So he can gain muscle whilst cutting up using your principles.
But can't gain muscle whilst bulking?
That makes zero sense. ???
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That makes zero sense. ???
You, my friend, just tapped into the Adonis Principles.
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You, my friend, just tapped into the Adonis Principles.
Excellent! In that case I'd better put deadlifting on the schedule for tomorrow. Oh damn, my camera's in the wash... ;D
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So he can gain muscle whilst cutting up using your principles.
But can't gain muscle whilst bulking?
That makes zero sense. ???
He would gain at the same rate as Protein synthesis DOES NOT shut off even in a caloric deficit.
Bulking up would add fat which is pointless creating MORE unneccesary work for him to do.
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Excellent! In that case I'd better put deadlifting on the schedule for tomorrow. Oh damn, my camera's in the wash... ;D
;D ;D
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He would gain at the same rate as Protein synthesis DOES NOT shut off even in a caloric deficit.
Bulking up would add fat which is pointless creating MORE unneccesary work for him to do.
But your exact words were:
"...it will be all fat he gains at this point..."
So now you're saying it would be MOSTLY fat, but that he would gain muscle. Correct?
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It's just a general weak point, but I guess I've always trained harder on pressing movements because I like the feel of them. I know I can still pull a good 405 right now and at my all time best it was around 450. I would like to get 475 this year which I think is realistic.
Good stuff. Stick some rows and chins in there as well, cos at the mo your delts are dominating that rear double bi!
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But your exact words were:
"...it will be all fat he gains at this point..."
So now you're saying it would be MOSTLY fat, but that he would gain muscle. Correct?
Look. You can`t rush a Natural Muscle gain.
Bulking up is useless. He won`t gain anything except fat. He will be able to gain the same amount of muscle using my methods MINUS the fat.
Protein synthesis will be equal in each state. There is no benefit to fat. I can see he is fooling himself already with his "lift poundages".
Obviously Matt C does not know much about physics. I went over a little with him tonight and evne dumbed it down. I think it was successful.
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I just don't get one thing: if TA is correct in his principles why does 99% of the industry do it differently?
Like I've said before, if these principles were so ground breaking, Adonis would have had them published, released nutrition DVD's, and would be working as a nutritionist to the stars. The fact that his only audience is a few naive members of a online forum speaks volumes.
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I just don't get one thing: if TA is correct in his principles why does 99% of the industry do it differently? ??? I also seem to doubt drugs are the answer.
Another goal of mine this year: score with a figure babe at the Olympia after party. Can I do it? ??? daddywaddy or gh15 - any tips on this?
Why does over HALF of America still think the world is only 10,000 years old or less?
Mr. Intenseone included?
THAT Explains a lot.
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Like I've said before, if these principles were so ground breaking, Adonis would have had them published, released nutrition DVD's, and would be working as a nutritionist to the stars. The fact that his only audience is a few naive members of a online forum speaks volumes.
I`m working on it as we speak. I will have a website up shortly.
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Look. You can`t rush a Natural Muscle gain.
Bulking up is useless. He won`t gain anything except fat. He will be able to gain the same amount of muscle using my methods MINUS the fat.
Protein synthesis will be equal in each state. There is no benefit to fat. I can see he is fooling himself already with his "lift poundages".
Obviously Matt C does not know much about physics. I went over a little with him tonight and evne dumbed it down. I think it was successful.
Yes, but you've admitted yourself that the body can lift more weight at a higher bodyweight. Lifting heavier breaks down more muscle tissue and forces the body to adapt to a higher weight. So if you can stimulate more muscle, you will produce more muscle. Bulking up serves this purpose.
Training at a lighter weight means lifting lighter weight, which the muscles can already lift. Therefore they are not as stimulated, therefore they do not adapt as much.
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I`m working on it as we speak. I will have a website up shortly.
I would honestly be impressed if you could show us case studies that were outstanding. But so far you are only putting people on restricted calorie diets, exactly the same as a hundred other diets. As yet, nothing is breaking new ground.
If this formula is the key to your system, and you created it, why not just patent it and then show it to everyone? Then if someone rips it off, you've got comeback.
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Yes, but you've admitted yourself that the body can lift more weight at a higher bodyweight. Lifting heavier breaks down more muscle tissue and forces the body to adapt to a higher weight. So if you can stimulate more muscle, you will produce more muscle. Bulking up serves this purpose.
Training at a lighter weight means lifting lighter weight, which the muscles can already lift. Therefore they are not as stimulated, therefore they do not adapt as much.
Lifting Heavier DOES NOT do that. Weight used DOES NOT stimulate more muscle fibers.
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I would honestly be impressed if you could show us case studies that were outstanding. But so far you are only putting people on restricted calorie diets, exactly the same as a hundred other diets. As yet, nothing is breaking new ground.
If this formula is the key to your system, and you created it, why not just patent it and then show it to everyone? Then if someone rips it off, you've got comeback.
I`m glad you are paying attention. Low calories are the crux for ANY diet to work. What I came up with, is a formula based on each individual that determines EXACTLY how many calories they can eat without gaining a gram of fat. The other methods are NOT individual specific.
In order to get this data, I need a constant followed for about 2 months.
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Lifting Heavier DOES NOT do that. Weight used DOES NOT stimulate more muscle fibers.
Of course it does! You have to lift heavy to get bigger! If you didn't, I'd be doing one-arm curls with a tin of beans while I watched the TV.
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I`m glad you are paying attention. Low calories are the crux for ANY diet to work. What I came up with, is a formula based on each individual that determines EXACTLY how many calories they can eat without gaining a gram of fat. The other methods are NOT individual specific.
In order to get this data, I need a constant followed for about 2 months.
So what data do you collect? And again why not patent your formula and then publish it?
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So what data do you collect? And again why not patent your formula and then publish it?
Cause he can't. Everything that makes sense is well established from way back when and all his other gibberish can't be proven to work unless you call one of his googled up reply's proof.
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Of course it does! You have to lift heavy to get bigger! If you didn't, I'd be doing one-arm curls with a tin of beans while I watched the TV.
The Strongest bodybuilders ARE NOT the largest.
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So what data do you collect? And again why not patent your formula and then publish it?
Why do you think I don`t give it out? You seem pretty intelligent.
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mattcanning2007: Zach bench's like 350. Why the fuck would Ron give him Dave's password?
McFarlandPT: well you guys just try to keep the low blows down
Carolinegresh: RON DIDN`T GIVE ANY PASSWORD
Carolinegresh: THE ONLY FACT WE DO KNOW
mattcanning2007: Low blows...like the fag in that pic trying to blow Lee?
Carolinegresh: IS THAT ZACH LOGGED IN DAVES ACCOUNT
MrShwamburger: I got 365 last wednesday matt, haha. it was sexcellent.
Carolinegresh: LOLOL YOU ARE OBESE THOUGH
MrShwamburger: and?
mattcanning2007: Excellent lift Jeff.
Carolinegresh: THAT TRANSLATES INTO A LIFT OF 135
Carolinegresh: IF YOU DIETED DOWN
MrShwamburger: cool.
Carolinegresh: LOL
Just curious about something Adam.....what is your theory...or reason to think Zachs bench would drop to 135 if he dieted down? He would (by your statements and convictions) still have all of his muscle. Recall that you claim people cant 'lose muscle' when dieting. So, I am just curious why you would say this?
Adam....here is something I have been meaning to ask you. What do you say about this?
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Again.
Do your research.
I get the optimal amount of nutrients and minerals and I also enjoy anything I want.
I do not overeat.
You overeat and are obese. You are a health risk.
Congrats, you just re-invented the wheel........exept when it comes to bodybuilding. I over eat and I'm obese, Hahahahahahahahaha...Ok!
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Wine is around 13% alcohol.
well obviously wine isnt pure alcohol, but there are additives
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well obviously wine isnt pure alcohol, but there are additives
That doesn't count, a calorie is a calorie.....remember?
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Just curious about something Adam.....what is your theory...or reason to think Zachs bench would drop to 135 if he dieted down? He would (by your statements and convictions) still have all of his muscle. Recall that you claim people cant 'lose muscle' when dieting. So, I am just curious why you would say this?
Adam....here is something I have been meaning to ask you. What do you say about this?
I was being faceitious and sarcastic first of all. I have no idea waht Zach would bench at a lighter weight.
Now with that said. Fat helps one lift more in certain lifts due to physics. In a bench press Less distance is traveled certainly due to fat increases in the abdominal and chest region. When Lifting as you know, a JUST A FEW INCHES makes a huge difference. Don`t believe this? If not, go to a bench press machine and try different settings. The shorter the distance traveled, the more weight you will able to get. Powelifters effectively eliminate the range of motion by being obese.
Also, in a bench press, with more fat on your arms, one will also be able to stabilize the weight better as it is more displaced with a thicker base.
I will dumb it down a bit like I did for MATT C:
their center of gravity
Carolinegresh [10:54 P.M.]: is totally different
mattcanning2007 [10:54 P.M.]: hm, wow.
Carolinegresh [10:54 P.M.]: think of a building
Carolinegresh [10:54 P.M.]: the thinner
Carolinegresh [10:54 P.M.]: the weaker the support
Carolinegresh [10:54 P.M.]: physics is universal
Carolinegresh [10:55 P.M.]: the same applies to anything
mattcanning2007 [10:55 P.M.]: Good point.
Carolinegresh [10:55 P.M.]: the weight is displaced easier
Carolinegresh [10:55 P.M.]: and over a wider area
Carolinegresh [10:55 P.M.]: they arent any more muscular
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well obviously wine isnt pure alcohol, but there are additives
There are no additives in wine idiot.
Just grapes.
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I was being faceitious and sarcastic first of all. I have no idea waht Zach would bench at a lighter weight.
Now with that said. Fat helps one lift more in certain lifts due to physics. In a bench press Less distance is traveled certainly due to fat increases in the abdominal and chest region. When Lifting as you know, a JUST A FEW INCHES makes a huge difference. Don`t believe this? If not, go to a bench press machine and try different settings. The shorter the distance traveled, the stronger you will get.
Also, in a bench press, with more fat on your arms, one will also be able to stabilize the weight better as it is more displaced with a thicker base.
So, you are saying that if someone squatted 375 for 10 prior to dieting, and something like four weeks out of a show they can only handle 315 for 5 its all due to physics?
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by the way,
Frank Zane would drink a half of bottle of wine during contest prep for the Olympia. Sometimes on a daily basis. It is in his book.
Just thought I`d throw that in there.
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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
Here are two pictures from today and two pictures of my projected physique after only one month of using the TA principles. TA says he will help me go from my current body fat of 29% to 3% in that time.
LOL MAtt! ;D
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There are no additives in wine idiot.
Just grapes.
Good God man, how many times must you be owned in a day?
http://www.brewsupplies.com/winemaking_additives.htm
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So, you are saying that if someone squatted 375 for 10 prior to dieting, and something like four weeks out of a show they can only handle 315 for 5 its all due to physics?
Yes.
I know that is what happened to you.
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Good God man, how many times must you be owned in a day?
http://www.brewsupplies.com/winemaking_additives.htm
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Go to a winery. They don`t make wine like that. Truly you know nothing.
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Seriously, I just don't think it's any secret that eating less than 2000 calories per day for months and months on end as a full grown man, combined now with doing shit like a set of chins every time you take a piss all day long, will make you lean. IMO the attention to detail and obsessive compulsion that's taking hold of Adonis as this thing marches on needs to be pointed out. He's essentially developing an eating disorder and an exercise addiction. Yes bodybuilding requires extreme attention to diet and a significant amount of exercise closer to a show, but everything is done in cycles. Adonis has now conditioned himself to find anyone over 11-12% as "obese" and actually considers being so "a health risk." This indicates to me that some of his core perceptions are starting to become a little too distorted to make their undoing any insignificant task. This is why anorexics cannot just "start eating again." Their core beliefs regarding food and body image have become so twisted that it's hard to reprogram that deep of a level of subconscious perception through any conscious processes.
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http://home.howstuffworks.com/winemaking.htm
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Seriously, I just don't think it's any secret that eating less than 2000 calories per day for months and months on end as a full grown man, combined now with doing shit like a set of chins every time you take a piss all day long, will make you lean. IMO the attention to detail and obsessive compulsion that's taking hold of Adonis as this thing marches on needs to be pointed out. He's essentially developing an eating disorder and an exercise addiction. Yes bodybuilding requires extreme attention to diet and a significant amount of exercise closer to a show, but everything is done in cycles. Adonis has now conditioned himself to find anyone over 11-12% as "obese" and actually considers being so "a health risk." This indicates to me that some of his core perceptions are starting to become a little too distorted to make their undoing any insignificant task. This is why anorexics cannot just "start eating again." Their core beliefs regarding food and body image have become so twisted that it's hard to reprogram that deep of a level of subconscious through any conscious processes.
Anything over 15 percent is obese and not optimal.
Hope this helps.
Do you use Meth when you diet? Just wondering.
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Anorexics eat "anything they want" in very restricted amounts too. When coupled with exercise addiction, they also do bodyweight exercises like crunches, push-ups, and chins (if they're able) all day long as well. Adonis only uses weights now 2 times a week for one hour and I'm guessing it's probably a marathon volume session of pretty light weights. He admitted last night that he hasn't deadlifted more than 470 pounds this year.
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How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.
By The True Adonis
You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.
You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.
Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.
Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?
QUOTED 2007
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Yes.
I know that is what happened to you.
So, what do you feel is the most accurate way (device) of determining caloric output of a human?
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http://home.howstuffworks.com/winemaking.htm
Tardling..........you must have missed this part, and by the way, I never said wine didn't have health benefits, I know it does!
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Anything over 15 percent is obese and not optimal.
Hope this helps.
Do you use Meth when you diet? Just wondering.
Adam....do you feel that your buddy Squadfather is obese then?
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Anorexics eat "anything they want" in very restricted amounts too. When coupled with exercise addiction, they also do bodyweight exercises like crunches, push-ups, and chins (if they're able) all day long as well. Adonis only uses weights now 2 times a week for one hour and I'm guessing it's probably a marathon volume session of pretty light weights. He admitted last night that he hasn't deadlifted more than 470 pounds this year.
2000-2900 calories is optimal for me.
Ask AZDRUGFREE what is optimal for him.
Go ahead. Ask him.
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I am 172 lbs by the way.
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Anything over 15 percent is obese and not optimal.
Hope this helps.
Again, your high, too low of bodyfat is detramental to the function of nerves and internal organs and even worse for women!
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Adam....do you feel that your buddy Squadfather is obese then?
If he is over 15 percent he is. But he knows how to fix it.
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Someone said a lot of meth was going around back stage at a Masters show once. :-\
Yes, it's true, it contributed to the passing of a friend who placed high at the Masters, it's common place in bodybuilding.
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Tardling..........you must have missed this part, and by the way, I never said wine didn't have health benefits, I know it does!
No you didn't. Adonis hasn't come out with his research for this yet. He has a lot on his plate with his principles and revealing to us that the world is indeed flat. All in due time though.
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Yes, it's true, it contributed to the passing of a friend who placed high at the Masters, it's common place in bodybuilding.
Why though?
What is the draw of Meth?
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Adam....do you feel that your buddy Squadfather is obese then?
What is your caloric range when you diet and mantain under 10 percent?
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If he is over 15 percent he is. But he knows how to fix it.
So, why dont you get all over his ass like you do other people that are so high in bodyfat?
Anyways....what do you think is the best way of determining how many calories a body expends? I am talking about a device/machine/etc. I thought the Bod-Pod did that, but thats simply body fat. Then again, if someone has their bodyfat done....and the lean mass goes down, we all know you wont lose bone, or cardiac and smooth tissue....where did the loss of 'lean tissue' come from?
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What is your caloric range when you diet and mantain under 10 percent?
Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
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This is pretty interesting:
The rate at which an organism utilizes energy, measured in Kcal/ hr or other units of energy per time is metabolic rate, and if measured in Kcal/kg - hour or similar units of energy/mass-time can be considered specific metabolic rate. The rate at rest is the basal metabolic rate (BMR), defined for humans to be the metabolic rate that is found after a person has fasted for 12 hours, slept for at least 8 hours, and has been resting quietly for at least half an hour. Muscular activity will, of course, increase the metabolic rate. Since the conditions for BMR are difficult to achieve, we will really be measuring Resting Metabolic Rate (RMR), which does not require the fasting and half hour resting, and is expected to be a little higher.
Metabolic rate can be measured by measuring the temperature change of a closed container containing a metabolizing organism, since the temperature change and heat production are just related by a proportionality constant – the heat capacity. This is called direct calorimetry. It is accurate, but requires very specialized equipment so it is inconvenient, especially for large animals. Since living organisms use molecular oxygen only for cellular respiration, the rate of oxygen consumption is directly related to the rate of ATP production. Also, since oxygen is not given off as a by-product of other cellular reactions (except, of course, photosynthesis), it must be obtained from the environment. Because oxygen consumption from the atmosphere can be easily and accurately measured without resorting to complicated technical analytical procedures, metabolic rates of terrestrial organisms can be obtained. In this lab we will take advantage of the stoichiometric relationships between energy production and oxygen consumption, and measure oxygen consumption. This is called indirect calorimetry, which has several variants.
I guess a good way to determine if someone 'lost muscle' would to set themself up using indirect calorimetry PRIOR to dieting....then do it again quite a ways INTO the diet when strength loss starts to occur. Being that skeletal muscle is the most metabolic tissue in the human body (up to 8x more than fat cells) you could say with some degree of certainty that some of the metabolic change could have come from 'muscle loss'. Again, not saying it would be an absolute....just a possible scenario.
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So, why dont you get all over his ass like you do other people that are so high in bodyfat?
Anyways....what do you think is the best way of determining how many calories a body expends? I am talking about a device/machine/etc. I thought the Bod-Pod did that, but thats simply body fat. Then again, if someone has their bodyfat done....and the lean mass goes down, we all know you wont lose bone, or cardiac and smooth tissue....where did the loss of 'lean tissue' come from?
He knows he is 15 percent. No need to state the obvious to him.
Humans are habitual creatures. On a long enough timeline, the margin of error is diminished greatly, almost to a point where there is little variation.
This is how I derive calories. My formula incorporates this.
The best device would be infrared and thermal imaging or heat sensing electrodes. That is not feasible.
What loss of lean mass?
If you are talking calipers, there is a 3-4 percent error WITHOUT factoring in the test takers error.
So lets say there is no error in the test taker.
Lets say the body is 10 percent bodyfat. Now lets say the Calipers read 13 percent bodyfat which can easily happen due to the margin of error, WITHOUT counting the test takers error.
Given that calipers state this error, the range of the reading is 9 percent-17 percent. Quite a LARGE Variance there.
Now if you use that to base your lean tissue on, you will have TOTALLY skewed results as you can see.
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Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
EXACTLY!
And this is what I have done and what NOBODY HERE understands. Jeff Mcfarland included.
I eat 2000-2900 and remain RIPPED.
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He knows he is 15 percent. No need to state the obvious to him.
Humans are habitual creatures. On a long enough timeline, the margin of error is diminished greatly, almost to a point where there is little variation.
This is how I derive calories. My formula incorporates this.
The best device would be infrared and thermal imaging or heat sensing electrodes. That is not feasible.
What loss of lean mass?
If you are talking calipers, there is a 3-4 percent error WITHOUT factoring in the test takers error.
So lets say there is no error in the test taker.
Lets say the body is 10 percent bodyfat. Now lets say the Calipers read 13 percent bodyfat which can easily happen due to the margin of error, WITHOUT counting the test takers error.
Given that calipers state this error, the range of the reading is 9 percent-17 percent. Quite a LARGE Variance there.
Now if you use that to base your lean tissue on, you will have TOTALLY skewed results as you can see.
If there is no test taker how do you know he is 10% BF? There is a margin of error in every test, you don't make sense!
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Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
I see where you're coming from in that respect. But for several months after a show, surely these naturals ingest at least between 3000-3500 calories worth of clean foods because like you said, they are no longer 4%, they're 8%, and that had to come from somewhere. No one gets this lean and stays this lean without eventually wasting away. I honestly wasn't that concerned until Adonis mentioned the other day that he's taken up chins with every piss, and then after all this ranting about how everyone is "MORBIDLY" obese that doesn't have abs and shredded serrati showing has me suspecting that he's headed for very big trouble in all this.
He is driven to get triceps as shredded as Getbig's "jrod's" were before the natural show he won "with no effort." Which means to him, no cardio, no hunger, and with no regulation in his diet other than total caloric intake on any given day. I am convinced that his will to succeed in this will out-trump his ability to keep from losing touch with his perception of hunger. I don't doubt for a minute these days that he feels no hunger, because his mind has probably become numb to it at this point. A human body is going to feel hunger when every head of that body's tricep structure is striated with paper-thin skin without an activity level that most here would consider "excessive." A gymnast might have striated triceps like that, but how many hours of practice daily go into achieving that? And it is commonly understood that former gymnasts (or at least the girls) are especially prone to eating disorders after working so long to be as lean as possible. I really don't see myself as hating on Adonis, this is a stated, genuine concern for his mental and physical well-being. If he's not in trouble now, it's where he's headed unless he can step outside all of this and see a bigger picture soon.
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Look. You can`t rush a Natural Muscle gain.
Bulking up is useless. He won`t gain anything except fat. He will be able to gain the same amount of muscle using my methods MINUS the fat.
Protein synthesis will be equal in each state. There is no benefit to fat. I can see he is fooling himself already with his "lift poundages".
Obviously Matt C does not know much about physics. I went over a little with him tonight and evne dumbed it down. I think it was successful.
Are you saying that actin & myosin synthesis will be the same in a hypocaloric, catabolic, cortisol high, amino acid deficient, state compared to an anabolic, protein rich, high endogenous insulin rich state?
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I see where you're coming from in that respect. But for several months after a show, surely these naturals ingest at least between 3000-3500 calories worth of clean foods because they are no longer 4%, they're 8%. I honestly wasn't that concerned until Adonis mentioned the other day that he's taken up chins with every piss, and then after all this ranting about how everyone is "MORBIDLY" obese that doesn't have abs and shredded serrati showing has me suspecting that he's headed for very big trouble in all this.
He is driven to get triceps as shredded as Getbig's "jrod's" were before the natural show he won "with no effort." Which means to him, no cardio, no hunger, and with no regulation in his diet other than total caloric intake on any given day. I am convinced that his will to succeed in this will out-trump his ability to keep from losing touch with his perception of hunger. I don't doubt for a minute these days that he feels no hunger, because his mind has probably become numb to it at this point. A human body is going to feel hunger when every head of that body's tricep structure is striated with paper-thin skin without an activity level that most here would consider "excessive." A gymnast might have striated triceps like that, but how many hours of practice daily go into achieving that? That's not a good thing. And it is commonly understood that former gymnasts (or at least the girls) are especially prone to eating disorders after working so long to be as lean as possible. I really don't see myself as hating on Adonis, this is a stated, genuine concern for his mental and physical well-being. If he's not in trouble now, it's where he's headed unless he can step outside all of this and see a bigger picture soon.
I pissed 4 times today without doing chins.
Hope this helps. But I did do 50 of them today.
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I pissed 4 times today without doing chins.
Hope this helps. But I did do 50 of them today.
Alright well you know what, if you think you need more activity to get a little leaner just give in and do some cardio. You are NOT doing 50 chins a day, every day, to make your back bigger. You're trying to get leaner is what you're doing. Your back is NOT going to get any bigger doing that much chin work every day. You're essentially finding a way to justify very high-level cardio to fit your agenda. Please realize this.
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I see where you're coming from in that respect. But for several months after a show, surely these naturals ingest at least between 3000-3500 calories worth of clean foods because like you said, they are no longer 4%, they're 8%, and that had to come from somewhere. No one gets this lean and stays this lean without eventually wasting away. I honestly wasn't that concerned until Adonis mentioned the other day that he's taken up chins with every piss, and then after all this ranting about how everyone is "MORBIDLY" obese that doesn't have abs and shredded serrati showing has me suspecting that he's headed for very big trouble in all this.
He is driven to get triceps as shredded as Getbig's "jrod's" were before the natural show he won "with no effort." Which means to him, no cardio, no hunger, and with no regulation in his diet other than total caloric intake on any given day. I am convinced that his will to succeed in this will out-trump his ability to keep from losing touch with his perception of hunger. I don't doubt for a minute these days that he feels no hunger, because his mind has probably become numb to it at this point. A human body is going to feel hunger when every head of that body's tricep structure is striated with paper-thin skin without an activity level that most here would consider "excessive." A gymnast might have striated triceps like that, but how many hours of practice daily go into achieving that? And it is commonly understood that former gymnasts (or at least the girls) are especially prone to eating disorders after working so long to be as lean as possible. I really don't see myself as hating on Adonis, this is a stated, genuine concern for his mental and physical well-being. If he's not in trouble now, it's where he's headed unless he can step outside all of this and see a bigger picture soon.
So are you saying that DRUGFREE4LIFE, a NATURAL pro is anorexic?
Man you are a real piece of work.
Grow up. Not everyone is on drugs like you.
We CANNOT eat as much as drug users.
We can eat whatever we like though, just as you can.
Just in lower amounts.
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I see where you're coming from in that respect. But for several months after a show, surely these naturals ingest at least between 3000-3500 calories worth of clean foods because like you said, they are no longer 4%, they're 8%, and that had to come from somewhere. No one gets this lean and stays this lean without eventually wasting away. I honestly wasn't that concerned until Adonis mentioned the other day that he's taken up chins with every piss, and then after all this ranting about how everyone is "MORBIDLY" obese that doesn't have abs and shredded serrati showing has me suspecting that he's headed for very big trouble in all this.
Yeah, I tend to agree...after a show...I think that you can consume way more calories for a period of time before there is a negative effect (fat gain). I know after my show in 2005 it was TWO MONTHS before I put on some appreciable body fat...and i was eating good...but there was more shit in the diet than I normal was. This past year I put body fat back on faster. So, who knows....could have been the type of diet as I dieted for each show differently.
Adam says he is at 3 - 4%....with that I would imagine we could see the cross-fibers in the quads and triceps. Also, he should have the 'veiny' look to the abs (i remember your ex's abs shot with the veins...that to me is 3 -4 %).
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Alright well you know what, if you think you need more activity to get a little leaner just give in and do some cardio. You are NOT doing 50 chins a day, every day, to make your back bigger. You're trying to get leaner is what you're doing. Your back is NOT going to get any bigger doing that much chin work every day. You're essentially finding a way to justify very high-level cardio to fit your agenda. Please realize this.
I don`t need to do cardio. I don`t need to get any leaner. I am perfect. I will take pictures soon. Of course you will find a way to discredit it. Its what you people do best.
I did go on a nature walk with Jezebelle yesterday and she picked flowers. Does that count?
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I don`t need to do cardio. I don`t need to get any leaner. I am perfect. I will take pictures soon. Of course you will find a way to discredit it. Its what you people do best.
I did go on a nature walk with Jezebelle yesterday and she picked flowers. Does that count?
No one is perfect!
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Yeah, I tend to agree...after a show...I think that you can consume way more calories for a period of time before there is a negative effect (fat gain). I know after my show in 2005 it was TWO MONTHS before I put on some appreciable body fat...and i was eating good...but there was more shit in the diet than I normal was. This past year I put body fat back on faster. So, who knows....could have been the type of diet as I dieted for each show differently.
Adam says he is at 3 - 4%....with that I would imagine we could see the cross-fibers in the quads and triceps. Also, he should have the 'veiny' look to the abs (i remember your ex's abs shot with the veins...that to me is 3 -4 %).
Veins aren't what you look for to determine 3-4%. At 5-6% your veins are usually much more prevalent than at 3-4%. Any bodybuilder you've ever seen that was truly SLICED had relatively little vascularity because to afford you the criss-cross striations seen at 3%, you much lose alot more water and with that goes blood volume and probably vascular dilation in your most peaked condition.
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No one is perfect!
Sure we are.
You were perfect when you took those pics with Rory years ago.
Don`t be so hard on yourself.
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Are you saying that actin & myosin synthesis will be the same in a hypocaloric, catabolic, cortisol high, amino acid deficient, state compared to an anabolic, protein rich, high endogenous insulin rich state?
LOL...he's going to google every word in this post to try to figure out what you just said. Ask him what he thinks about the "sliding filament theorie".
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So I can't do cardio on your program? Does eating pussy count as cardio? ??? If it does, I will have to opt out of your program.
You can do cardio if you like.
Its up to you.
Its not necessary to get ripped, but Cardio is great for you. I`m not talking walking on a treadmill as that does not provide that much of a health benefit given your age and shape.
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Its not necessary to get ripped,
As long as you are burning off more than you take in!
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As long as you are burning off more than you take in!
Exactly.
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Yeah, I tend to agree...after a show...I think that you can consume way more calories for a period of time before there is a negative effect (fat gain). I know after my show in 2005 it was TWO MONTHS before I put on some appreciable body fat...and i was eating good...but there was more shit in the diet than I normal was. This past year I put body fat back on faster. So, who knows....could have been the type of diet as I dieted for each show differently.
Adam says he is at 3 - 4%....with that I would imagine we could see the cross-fibers in the quads and triceps. Also, he should have the 'veiny' look to the abs (i remember your ex's abs shot with the veins...that to me is 3 -4 %).
Listen, if you'd stayed completely clean in your diet after your show, do you not think you could have climbed up a good 15-20 pounds (depending on your height) and still not gone over 7-8%, even while eating a good 3400-3800 calories per day, consistently? Which is alot of food when it's clean. Shit you could ride that out for months and still look incredible and much more full than you were for your show while making progressive gains.
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Listen, if you'd stayed completely clean in your diet after your show, do you not think you could have climbed up a good 15-20 pounds (depending on your height) and still not gone over 7-8%, even while eating a good 3400-3800 calories per day, consistently? Which is alot of food when it's clean. Shit you could ride that out for months and still look incredible and much more full than you were for your show while making progressive gains.
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Listen, if you'd stayed completely clean in your diet after your show, do you not think you could have climbed up a good 15-20 pounds (depending on your height) and still not gone over 7-8%, even while eating a good 3400-3800 calories per day, consistently? Which is alot of food when it's clean. Shit you could ride that out for months and still look incredible and much more full than you were for your show while making progressive gains.
I used to see guys who competed naturally just blow up with some incredible size/conditioning combos after a show. I think those transformations remain some of the most impressive I've seen to date, drugs or no drugs.
So Adonis, consider taking your shit up for a minute and starting over again. Yeah, after you diet back down again you might only have added 2-3 pounds of mass, but the trip around is where it's at. And if you do this, I think it'd be a hell of alot healthier on both your mind and body. Aren't you planning on doing this at some point?
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Listen, if you'd stayed completely clean in your diet after your show, do you not think you could have climbed up a good 15-20 pounds (depending on your height) and still not gone over 7-8%, even while eating a good 3400-3800 calories per day, consistently? Which is alot of food when it's clean. Shit you could ride that out for months and still look incredible and much more full than you were for your show while making progressive gains.
I think so. I dont know about months...but i do think that there is definitely something to eating a lot more after a show. I remember doing a show back in 95. A week after the show i went to Sandals with a girlfriend. I was there for 10 days. I ate so damn much. I dont have the pics anymore, but I remember looking at them and thinking "holy crap, I am still lean after all the shit I ate". Actually, it wasnt even shitty food...just a TON of great stuff. All inclusives are the game for me!!!!
I am debating how i will diet for my next show. I really did feel better doing carb cycling for 06' than the way I did the diet in 05.
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I used to see guys who competed naturally just blow up with some incredible size/conditioning combos after a show. I think those transformations remain some of the most impressive I've seen to date, drugs or no drugs.
So Adonis, consider taking your shit up for a minute and starting over again. Yeah, after you diet back down again you might only have added 2-3 pounds of mass, but the trip around is where it's at. And if you do this, I think it'd be a hell of alot healthier on both your mind and body. Aren't you planning on doing this at some point?
No.
As Drugfree4life stated. The very BEST naturals NEVER go over 8 percent bodyfat. In doing so, a diet of around 2500 calories is consumed, a bit more if one does cardio.
Its very simple.
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I think so. I dont know about months...but i do think that there is definitely something to eating a lot more after a show. I remember doing a show back in 95. A week after the show i went to Sandals with a girlfriend. I was there for 10 days. I ate so damn much. I dont have the pics anymore, but I remember looking at them and thinking "holy crap, I am still lean after all the shit I ate". Actually, it wasnt even shitty food...just a TON of great stuff. All inclusives are the game for me!!!!
I am debating how i will diet for my next show. I really did feel better doing carb cycling for 06' than the way I did the diet in 05.
Did you know, that you can eat anything you want and look the same everyday as long as you don`t exceed a caloric surplus at length?
In doing so, you also fulfill all nutritional needs. Its really too easy.
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Did you know, that you can eat anything you want and look the same everyday as long as you don`t exceed a caloric surplus at length?
In doing so, you also fulfill all nutritional needs. Its really too easy.
True, but not for bodybuilding!
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True, but not for bodybuilding!
Wrong.
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No.
As Drugfree4life stated. The very BEST naturals NEVER go over 8 percent bodyfat. In doing so, a diet of around 2500 calories is consumed, a bit more if one does cardio.
Its very simple.
You would have to ask Kurt Weidner or Brian Whitacre (sp??) how many calories they consume in a day. Standing behind Kurt was insane. Dry, shredded....the guy was spot on. This is why I want to try to stay leaner this year and then do a show.
Again....I think its PERSON dependant....there are guys out there that can eat the 3K+ in food and stay lean....even leaner than me. I just know I cant. 22yrs of this has taught me that!
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Did you know, that you can eat anything you want and look the same everyday as long as you don`t exceed a caloric surplus at length?
In doing so, you also fulfill all nutritional needs. Its really too easy.
You see Adam....the phrase "eat anything you want...." for me, means eating a lot. I dont care if its junk or clean. I really do wish I could eat the 3K plus DAILY. I loved pounding a lot of food when I was at Sandals. I feel better (mentally) eating more calories.....but physically its not for me (belly fat).
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You would have to ask Kurt Weidner or Brian Whitacre (sp??) how many calories they consume in a day. Standing behind Kurt was insane. Dry, shredded....the guy was spot on. This is why I want to try to stay leaner this year and then do a show.
Again....I think its PERSON dependant....there are guys out there that can eat the 3K+ in food and stay lean....even leaner than me. I just know I cant. 22yrs of this has taught me that!
I have Brian`s Diet.
2200-2800 calories a day.
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You see Adam....the phrase "eat anything you want...." for me, means eating a lot. I dont care if its junk or clean. I really do wish I could eat the 3K plus DAILY. I loved pounding a lot of food when I was at Sandals. I feel better (mentally) eating more calories.....but physically its not for me (belly fat).
Eat anything I want, means, get adequate nutrition by eating whatever I want but not Exceeding my caloric limit.
This should be noted.
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Eat anything I want, means, get adequate nutrition by eating whatever I want but not Exceeding my caloric limit.
This should be noted.
You are confused between Calories and nutrition, you seem to think they are one in the same, it is very easy to become malnutritioned when referring to your philosophy!
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You are confused between Calories and nutrition, you seem to think they are one in the same, it is very easy to become malnutritioned when referring to your philosophy!
So how do YOU explain that when I eat clean at 3000cals+ I get fatter. I eat clean with fewer cals I feel better and dont have the bodyfat. ((Not being shitty...just asking))
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Eat anything I want, means, get adequate nutrition by eating whatever I want but not Exceeding my caloric limit.
This should be noted.
Just like exceeding you deadlift of 225 a 112 times.
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Now I know why Matt likes Frank McGrath so much. Similar proportions, somewhat narrow in the torso (not a diss, just an observation), and limb dominant. You usually like the builds that most resemble your own.
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Now I know why Matt likes Frank McGrath so much. Similar proportions, somewhat narrow in the torso (not a diss, just an observation), and limb dominant. You usually like the builds that most resemble your own.
This is true. Not to compare myself to Frank obviously, but his back looks weak in his rear double biceps due to his delts also:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=125391.0;attach=140950;image)
He is a similar height, a Canadian (born in the same city I was), and only a few years older. :) Although I admire him the most for his physique, and not those similarities.
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This thread has gone from 1 to 6 pages in about 4 hours. Adonis = selling power.
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TA is beyond a joke. Ignore this moron. ::)
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Hey Matt,
I`m going to instant message you in about an hour or so, as I just got back from the gym,
Heading to the store to get some Expensive Wine.
When I get back, we will discuss the master plan.
TA, honestly...you're a fucking tool. "I'm going to get some expensive wine"..c'mon now. Who the fuck types that on a BB board? You're so desperate to brag about anything it's unreal. Does your mom approve of you storing "expensive" wine in her fridge?
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looking great matt
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looking great matt
I agree, I don't think he's at 29%BF but who knows, I see some defenition in the lower back....What's up DP?
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I agree, I don't think he's at 29%BF but who knows, I see some defenition in the lower back....What's up DP?
im cool, just chillign ya know,
matt looks 12/13 % to me.
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matt C...how did you come up with 29% for your Bodyfat? Did you have it tested?
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This is true. Not to compare myself to Frank obviously, but his back looks weak in his rear double biceps due to his delts also:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=125391.0;attach=140950;image)
He is a similar height, a Canadian (born in the same city I was), and only a few years older. :) Although I admire him the most for his physique, and not those similarities.
Matt C...that is one phenomenal pick. Good job bro!
PB
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The Strongest bodybuilders ARE NOT the largest.
No, but ALL bodybuilders do/have lifted heavy to reach their current size.
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Why do you think I don`t give it out? You seem pretty intelligent.
There are two options.
1: You actually do have a formula which will revolutionise the way we think about exercise nutrition. As such you are worried that someone will steal it and make money off of your idea. This can easily be countered by patenting the formula. If you invented it, the patent office will not have a problem. Then if anyone steals it, you have an immediate legal claim to compensation.
2. You don't actually have anything, and are continually taking people for a ride, refusing to shed light on any details of the formula for fear of being called out on it.
I honestly don't know which it is. You talk a good game, but when people ask for evidence of key claims, you can't provide it.
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There are two options.
1: You actually do have a formula which will revolutionise the way we think about exercise nutrition. As such you are worried that someone will steal it and make money off of your idea. This can easily be countered by patenting the formula. If you invented it, the patent office will not have a problem. Then if anyone steals it, you have an immediate legal claim to compensation.
2. You don't actually have anything, and are continually taking people for a ride, refusing to shed light on any details of the formula for fear of being called out on it.
I honestly don't know which it is. You talk a good game, but when people ask for evidence of key claims, you can't provide it.
He can't claim what he stole!
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Did you know, that you can eat anything you want and look the same everyday as long as you don`t exceed a caloric surplus at length?
In doing so, you also fulfill all nutritional needs. Its really too easy.
Adam,
If that is true then eat bacon and drink coke to meet your caloric needs each day and I rest assured, you will NOT look the same!
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Point taken. I'm assuming you're with Matt on the "drowned rat" prediction, which is understandable. He probably would look pretty thin at 160, and I could see where you'd prefer to see him carry a little more size before cutting down. Now what about this: What if Matt's gonna stay natural? Should he still bulk before dieting down if that's the case? How much difference is his bulking up 15-20 pounds naturally before cutting naturally gonna make in the grand scheme of things? How much natural weight do you approximate he'll carry at 6% if he starts dieting now, as opposed to going up to, say, 195-200 before cutting without drugs?
this all thread became too long for me to read,,so ill answer this post individually and try to remember the other posts along the way,,i did read some of them
you are talking here about apples and oranges,,adonis talks about NATURAL lifters and NATURAL no chemical bodybuilding,,
most of the other here talk about natural bodybuilding that some time or another goes chemical,,
mattc going up to 200lb from his current size/weight/bf% NATURALLY will result at him being 200lb with couple more % of bodyfat and some water held between the muscle and skin,,,i dont see a need for that,,
at the best case he will hold 200lb with same 10-12% bodyfat but that will only happen if strict diet full of extra clean calroeis are applied and his muscle memory and genetic response allow it,,remember he want to get BIGGER
now,, many of the things adonis say here are true but they wont grow you,,,they will cut you up after you already been a huge mother fucker at 250lb like adnois was!! he didnt come out of no where,,guy was number of constant years at it hitting every method he could think of at gaining size,,you are not talkin here about a guy that woke up in the morning 170lb 20% and said hooo..tommorow i will be 165lb 6% by eating junk,,,this is not the case here my friends
so,,you can eat 3 times a day chinease in moderation and strict your calories and get cut and ripped,,,but you gotta have some size/muscle size to cut from,,you also got to be active,,you cant do it out of the blue when you sitting at 180 15% and do nothing all day long,,,
if you go this way you need to start at 220+lb 12%-15%,,that will allow you to cut and look muscular while still having decent size on you at the end process,,ESPECIALLY IF NATURAL ALL THROUGH.
now to the questions asked by mac,,
matt should first bulk,,and i suggest he does it with hormones,,he will blow up right at hit 210-220,,this is MY opinion
also mattc if start dieting down now naturally and by naturally i mean nothing on beside food,,will be 155lb at 6%bf if he is 180lb like you said somewhere here,,as cut and ripped as 6% is you dont wanna be 5'10 155 6% its just doesnt work in usa,,maybe in china or malesia it does,,for asian small frame lifters,, but not in the good ole usa for italian and irish guys,,
if he climb up naturally to 200lb,,he will also be 13-14% and that means that in the grand look of things ,,,he will still have to go down in weight to ~ 160 maybe 160 and some change to be anything close to 6%
this is how i see it,,
good genetics is one thing,,having good arms like mattc has that will grow naturally little bit and show cut at 200lb is one thing,,but it doesnt promise him to be 200lb and 10% naturally,,,for that he will have to grow right and growing right to the 200+zone with low enough bf% as in 10-11% or less involve hormones (again im talking here 5'8,,59,,etc)
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Hey Matt,
I`m going to instant message you in about an hour or so, as I just got back from the gym,
Heading to the store to get some Expensive Wine.
When I get back, we will discuss the master plan.
HAHHAHAH expensive wine, HAHAHAH.
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Look. You can`t rush a Natural Muscle gain.
Bulking up is useless. He won`t gain anything except fat. He will be able to gain the same amount of muscle using my methods MINUS the fat.
Protein synthesis will be equal in each state. There is no benefit to fat. I can see he is fooling himself already with his "lift poundages".
Obviously Matt C does not know much about physics. I went over a little with him tonight and evne dumbed it down. I think it was successful.
are you saying you cant increase protein synthesis? that is it fixed. if so your wrong.
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Okay, didn't expect that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding
Scroll down almost half the page.
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He's the most influential man in bodybuilding ever.
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He's the most influential man in bodybuilding ever.
EVER!
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hahahaah Click where it says Natural Bodybuilding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_bodybuilding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_bodybuilding)
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hahahaah Click where it says Natural Bodybuilding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_bodybuilding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_bodybuilding)
I broke my brain... ;)
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Here is a screenshot hahahaha
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Here is a screenshot hahahaha
Notice you have a whole notepad file dedicated to him. Is that where you write down the daily meltdowns he has inflicted upon you?
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I don`t need to do cardio. I don`t need to get any leaner. I am perfect. I will take pictures soon. Of course you will find a way to discredit it. Its what you people do best.
I did go on a nature walk with Jezebelle yesterday and she picked flowers. Does that count?
Where are the pics and video and copy of your degree. Did she pick them out of her nose or ass.
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Notice you have a whole notepad file dedicated to him. Is that where you write down the daily meltdowns he has inflicted upon you?
Thats pretty sick if you ask me.
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Thats pretty sick if you ask me.
Nobody asked you but if you must know, yes EVERYONE is pretty sick of you.
WHERE IS YOUR VIDEO. WHERE IS YOUR DEGREE? WHERE IS YOUR EQUATION? WHERE IS YOUR GRAVITY SUIT? WHERE IS YOUR PHOTOS? WHERE IS YOUR GUN, FIND AND FINISH YOURSELF. Hope this helps
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Notice you have a whole notepad file dedicated to him. Is that where you write down the daily meltdowns he has inflicted upon you?
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis."
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Thats pretty sick if you ask me.
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis."
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Did you put yourself on there Adonis?
If not, who did?
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WHERE IS YOUR GRAVITY SUIT?
I'm almost afraid to ask... :-\
Gravity suit??
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Nobody asked you but if you must know, yes EVERYONE is pretty sick of you.
WHERE IS YOUR VIDEO. WHERE IS YOUR DEGREE? WHERE IS YOUR EQUATION? WHERE IS YOUR GRAVITY SUIT? WHERE IS YOUR PHOTOS? WHERE IS YOUR GUN, FIND AND FINISH YOURSELF. Hope this helps
Where is your video of being obese? Where is your degree from Overeater University? Where is your equation for Lard? Where is your fat suit? Where is your photos of your fat rolls? Find a staple gun, Use it on your mouth, wait 8 months to remove staples.
Hope this helps.
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Don't get it twisted. I didn't start this to be a bashing thread! Adonis has always been cool to me, I was just surprised to see a Get-Bigger on Wikipedia.
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Seriously, I just don't think it's any secret that eating less than 2000 calories per day for months and months on end as a full grown man, combined now with doing shit like a set of chins every time you take a piss all day long, will make you lean. IMO the attention to detail and obsessive compulsion that's taking hold of Adonis as this thing marches on needs to be pointed out. He's essentially developing an eating disorder and an exercise addiction. Yes bodybuilding requires extreme attention to diet and a significant amount of exercise closer to a show, but everything is done in cycles. Adonis has now conditioned himself to find anyone over 11-12% as "obese" and actually considers being so "a health risk." This indicates to me that some of his core perceptions are starting to become a little too distorted to make their undoing any insignificant task. This is why anorexics cannot just "start eating again." Their core beliefs regarding food and body image have become so twisted that it's hard to reprogram that deep of a level of subconscious perception through any conscious processes.
Great post. This applies to some facets in live. People become unrealistic and self delusional... and need someone else to really point it out to them... like the girl who thinks her breasts are too small when in actuality they are very yummy ;D
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Where is your video of being obese? Where is your degree from Overeater University? Where is your equation for Lard? Where is your fat suit? Where is your photos of your fat rolls? Find a staple gun, Use it on your mouth, wait 8 months to remove staples.
Hope this helps.
the wikipedia photo is hilarious, as is the above post.
Adonis is teh funny but can be pretty annoying.
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Where is your video of being obese? Where is your degree from Overeater University? Where is your equation for Lard? Where is your fat suit? Where is your photos of your fat rolls? Find a staple gun, Use it on your mouth, wait 8 months to remove staples.
Hope this helps.
Nice try. But really, where is all the stuff you promised. Monster misdirection and meltdown. hahahahaha Son you are losing the battle and war. Give it up already you're not wanted anywhere :'( :'( :'(
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Nice try. But really, where is all the stuff you promised. Monster misdirection and meltdown. hahahahaha Son you are losing the battle and war. Give it up already you're not wanted anywhere :'( :'( :'(
Hahahah you own yourself worse then mattfromsm over at MD.
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The idiot picture on the right is NOT a bodybuilder. This is a typical moron who pretends to be one. He has never competed on stage. He took 5th place out of 6 people in an Internet contest. Words like delusional, stupid, ignorant, moronic and mentally retarded come to mind when you see this person or read the lies he posts. He has NO experience or history in this industry. His body has no structure or muscle. He suffers from "Concentration Camp Syndrome". He is also 90% blind and uses circus mirrors in his house. If you see him walking around either turn around and alk away or walk up to him and beat the crap out of him.
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Professional bodybuilder Jason Arntz, 35, of South Brunswick provided the expertise for manufacturing the steroids, although Cuppari and Dente also got information off the Web, Rubbinaccio said. Charged with one count of conspiracy to manufacture steroids, Arntz was released on $50,000 bail.
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Nobody asked you but if you must know, yes EVERYONE is pretty sick of you.
WHERE IS YOUR VIDEO. WHERE IS YOUR DEGREE? WHERE IS YOUR EQUATION? WHERE IS YOUR GRAVITY SUIT? WHERE IS YOUR PHOTOS?
Keith, I think you're sick of him more than anyone else. Me? I don't give two shit about this True Adonis character. You're just dying for him to provide all this "proof". Does he really get to you that much? ::)
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Personally I think it's sad that a previously respected member like Onlyme is so obsessed with a guy who obviously gets under his skin more then you get under Adonis's.
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who took Wikipedia serious, last I check, every clowns edit that mess.
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i guess this guy wasn't available for wikkipedia:
Competitive Record
2002 NPC Team Universe Championships (Men's) - 1st
1997 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) 5th Heavyweights*
1997 NPC USA Did Not Place in Heavyweights
1996 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) 2nd Heavyweights *
1995 NPC Team USA Bodybuilding Team Member at Mr. Universe in Guam
1995 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) Heavyweight Class Champion*
1994 Musclemania Natural Bodybuilding Championships Overall Champion *
1994 NPC Natural Nationals (Team Universe) 3rd Heavyweights*
1994 Ironman Naturally (Southern California) Overall Champion *
1994 ABCC Natural California Class Champion *
1994 NPC Emerald Cup 3rd Heavyweights
1994 NPC San Jose 3rd Heavyweights
1993 Natural Musclemania 2nd Heavyweights*
1992 AAU Mr. California Overall Champion
1992 AAU Mr. Natural California Overall Champion *
1992 NPC Contra Costa Light-Heavyweight Class Champion
1992 NPC Northern California 2nd Heavyweights
1990 AAU Mr. Western Natural USA Overall Champion *
1990 ABA World Cup of Natural Bodybuilding Overall Champion *
1990 AAU Mr. Fremont Overall Champion
*Denotes Drug-Tested Contests (method: polygraph-lie detector, urinalysis, or both)
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i guess this guy wasn't available for wikkipedia:
Competitive Record
2002 NPC Team Universe Championships (Men's) - 1st
1997 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) 5th Heavyweights*
1997 NPC USA Did Not Place in Heavyweights
1996 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) 2nd Heavyweights *
1995 NPC Team USA Bodybuilding Team Member at Mr. Universe in Guam
1995 NPC Team Universe (Drug-Tested Nationals) Heavyweight Class Champion*
1994 Musclemania Natural Bodybuilding Championships Overall Champion *
1994 NPC Natural Nationals (Team Universe) 3rd Heavyweights*
1994 Ironman Naturally (Southern California) Overall Champion *
1994 ABCC Natural California Class Champion *
1994 NPC Emerald Cup 3rd Heavyweights
1994 NPC San Jose 3rd Heavyweights
1993 Natural Musclemania 2nd Heavyweights*
1992 AAU Mr. California Overall Champion
1992 AAU Mr. Natural California Overall Champion *
1992 NPC Contra Costa Light-Heavyweight Class Champion
1992 NPC Northern California 2nd Heavyweights
1990 AAU Mr. Western Natural USA Overall Champion *
1990 ABA World Cup of Natural Bodybuilding Overall Champion *
1990 AAU Mr. Fremont Overall Champion
*Denotes Drug-Tested Contests (method: polygraph-lie detector, urinalysis, or both)
If Skip Lacour is not your definition of natural bodybuilder on Wikipedia, then whoever the ASSHOLE that posted otherwise should be shot.
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The guy who started that page is gay. He knows nothing about BB. If he did then he wouldn't have posted Apenis's picture. But i am sure Apenis probably Pm'ed this guy and told him of all his inventions, master degrees, and all the contests he's
lost won. Being ingnorant like Apenis the guy believed him.
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If Skip Lacour is not your definition of natural bodybuilder on Wikipedia, then whoever the ASSHOLE that posted otherwise should be shot.
lacour should be up there, not a nobody!!!
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The guy who started that page is gay. He knows nothing about BB. If he did then he wouldn't have posted Apenis's picture. But i am sure Apenis probably Pm'ed this guy and told him of all his inventions, master degrees, and all the contests he's lost won. Being ingnorant like Apenis the guy believed him.
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of Adonis IMO.
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who took Wikipedia serious, last I check, every clowns edit that mess.
The controversy from all of this, will eventually lead to someone posting a representative picture and also a text that will hold up.
-Hedge
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Notice you have a whole notepad file dedicated to him. Is that where you write down the daily meltdowns he has inflicted upon you?
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of Adonis IMO.
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this is thieeeeee best board on the internet
how could so many characters get in one board only god knows :D :D :D :D
simply amazing,, i really like reading it its addictive
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this is thieeeeee best board on the internet
how could so many characters get in one board only god knows :D :D :D :D
simply amazing,, i really like reading it its addictive
Agreed; you are good addition to the board yourself GH15
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This is what I had for supper tonight (7PM). This was similar in calories to what I ate for my first meal of the day at 2:30PM (I wake up late). Now I am about to eat a 700 gram seasoned BBQ chicken. I will have one or two more small meals before going to bed tonight.
Discuss.
I don't recommend drinking anything with calories. how may calories a day total is your diet?
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huuuum hot dog
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This is what I had for supper tonight (7PM). This was similar in calories to what I ate for my first meal of the day at 2:30PM (I wake up late). Now I am about to eat a 700 gram seasoned BBQ chicken. I will have one or two more small meals before going to bed tonight.
Discuss.
you ate the cell too? ;)
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I hate you Matt
I want to eat a hot dog now >:(
DDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE
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you ate the cell too? ;)
He's gotta get some roughage from something.. ;) .. BTW Matt, the guys from GMV said to say g'day.
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My weight is around 180. My question is: if I do gear will ALL gains be lost when I go off gear?
no
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So could I even keep 10 pounds off a regular gym cycle? Even 10 pounds is good mass to me.
10lbs of muscle, no way.
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a lot of my friend juice a little bit only 1 time a year and they all keep most of the size.
they lose the "juice pump" but they definitly keep a lot of the size
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man you have quite the hard-on for Adonis don't you?
Maybe you should jerk off to a picture of him, and get it over with.
Why not just jerk-off in front of Adonis?
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Adam....I never got a comment from you on this:
Adam....your comment on the whole Big Mac vs. Chicken breast thing has always troubled me...so I did a little math.....
Here are some stats on broiled ground beef:
4oz Ground Beef (85%) 29.3gm P, 0gm C, 20.2gm F, 103mg Chol.
Sandwiches & Burgers: Burgers, Big Mac, no Bun (5oz): 18gm P, 6gm C, 26gm F, 75mg Chol.
There is NO DATA out there on just simply the big mac meat. Everything I have found points to about 2oz PER pattie of meat. So, looking at 5oz of cooked chicken, you come up with the following:
5oz Chicken Breast (cooked) 44gm P, 0gm C, 5.1gm F, 121mg Chol.
While this looks promising for simply the CHOLESTEROL standpoint....look at the comparison of fat. The Big Mac meat has 5 TIMES the fat. The chicken breast has TWICE the protein. If were to simply look at the protein as equals (around 20gm per serving) that would account for only 2.5oz of cooked chicken. Thus bringing our cholesterol down LOWER than the big mac patties.
The total values for a big mac SANDWICH are:
Sandwiches & Burgers: Burgers, Big Mac (7.5oz) 25gm P, 45gm C, 29gm F, 75mg Chol. (total calories = 540)
This shows that there is NO cholesterol in the bread/bun of the Big Mac.
So, were I to take a SIMILAR amount of chicken (equalling out the protein) and then using some standard wheat bread, I would have this:
2.5oz Chicken Breast (cooked) 22gm P, 0gm C, 2.5gm F, 60mg Chol. (total calories = 117)
2 Slices General Wheat Bread 4.6gm P, 23.6gm C, 2.1gm F, 0mg Chol. (total calories = 130)
Giving me:
247 calories - 50% LESS than a Big Mac.
4.6gms of fat - 85% LESS than a Big Mac
60gms of cholesterol - 20% LESS than a Big Mac.
The thing is....the chicken sandwich (with half of the calories) has almost as much fiber as the Big Mac.
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I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.
Discuss.
serious? :-\
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Adam....I never got a comment from you on this:
You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.
With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.
Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.
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I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.
Discuss.
You pretty much do as far as muscle-size, IMO. I don't think you can reflect his exact structure/shape, but who knows.
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Would be nice. Is the general consensus that he is too small? Say hi to the GMV guys for me!
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I was hanging out with them at the pro show.. I am home now.
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You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.
With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.
Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.
Exept for the genetic, your wrong, Adam, do you know what cholesterol is?
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You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.
With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.
Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.
So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it? Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich. You cant compare the sandwich to the chicken breast as you arent comparing like things. If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in. Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich. For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal. Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.
If you want to talk about cholesterol levels in food, you should read a little of this...
HIGH CHOLESTEROL FOODS:
Healthy, not harmful!
In traditional societies, high cholesterol foods were regarded as healthy foods.
Our ancestors did not know about cholesterol but they knew that eggs, organ meat (including the brain), seafood, shellfish… were all highly nourishing for the body.
In the natural world, the same foods are valued by animals like lions and tigers. When they kill their prey, the first things they eat are the liver and the brain, both of which contain very high levels of cholesterol.
Yet today, all these foods are regarded as “bad” . Today, practically all doctors and lay persons accept, without questioning, that high choleterol foods “cause” heart disease.
Were our ancestors, as well as animals in the wild, mistaken about the value of high cholesterol foods? Or are we mistaken about their so-called harm?
One person who dared to question the idea that saturated fats and high cholesterol foods are harmful to health is Dr Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD., author of The Cholesterol Myths as well as over 50 scientific papers – published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals – debunking the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease.
Among other things, Dr Uffe Ravnskov tells us that:
* People with high cholesterol levels live longer! Old people with high blood cholesterol are less likely to die from heart attack, cancer and other diseases, compared with those whose blood cholesterol levels are lower.
* Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals.
* There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by itself, but may reflect an unhealthy condition, or it may be totally innocent.
* Many scientific studies have shown that people with low blood cholesterol are just as likely to develop atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries) as people whose cholesterol level is high.
* Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. In other words, the more high cholesterol foods you eat, the less cholesterol your body produces.
* More than 20 scientific studies have shown that people who suffered a heart attack had not eaten more fat of any kind than other people – they had not eaten plenty of saturated fats and high cholesterol foods.
Of course, it is not just Dr Uffe Ravnskov saying all this and more. What he tells us about saturated fats and high cholesterol foods comes mainly from studying the reports of other scientists. He further tells us that…
The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.
High cholesterol foods nourish the cells
To appreciate why high cholesterol foods are not harmful, we need to understand what cholesterol is, and what role it plays in human health.
Cholesterol is a waxy, fat-like substance. Yet it is not a fat. In chemistry, cholesterol is classified as a type of alcohol. But this is confusing for the layman because it does not behave like an alcohol.
The special quality of cholesterol is that it is impossible to dissolve in water. They make our cell walls waterproof. And this allows us – and all other animals – to regulate the internal environment of our cells undisturbed by changes in their surroundings.
Thus, our cells need cholesterol in order to function properly.
It is true that the body – more specifically the liver – can produce cholesterol for the body's needs. But taking cholesterol from high cholesterol foods can be helpful.
When you do not take enough high cholesterol foods – for example, if you take mainly vegetable oils rather than animal fat containing cholesterol – the cholesterol in your blood will the transferred to your cells.
As a result, your blood cholesterol level drops.
Most people, including most doctors and scientists, consider this to be a good sign. It is actually an unhealthy sign. It indicates that your cells have become weak from lack of cholesterol.
For this reason, it is not a good idea to switch from animal fats to polyunsaturated vegetable oils. It weakens your cells. There is scientific evidence that high intake of polyunsaturated oils increases the risks of cancer!
High cholesterol foods for the brain
The fact that cells are waterproof is especially critical for the normal functioning of nerves and nerve cells. Thus, the highest concentration of cholesterol in the body is found in the brain and other parts of the nervous system.
High cholesterol foods therefore nourish the brain. People with very low cholesterol (below 150 mg/dl) are more prone to depression and nervous system disorders. Rather than worry about high cholesterol foods, you need to worry more if your blood cholesterol level is too low.
It is worth noting that Nathan Pritikin, one of the strongest advocates of a low-fat, no-cholesterol diet during the 1980s, developed cancer and committed suicide. He died in the prime of his life!
Other followers of the low-fat diet had a host of other problems, including low energy, difficulty in concentration, depression, weight gain and mineral deficiencies.
High cholesterol foods for babies
And because cholesterol is needed for the brain, babies and children need high cholesterol foods for brain development.
One of the richest high cholesterol foods is, in fact, human breast milk.
And one of the worst foods to give to babies is soy infant formula, because it contains zero cholesterol.
High cholesterol foods and heart disease
What about heart disease? Doesn't cholesterol “cause” heart disease?
Here, we need to understand the difference between “cause” and “association”. Many scientific studies have found an association between cholesterol and heart disease.
But this does not meant that high cholesterol foods cause heart disease – because there are people who eat plenty of high cholesterol foods and do not develop heart disease. And there are also people who develop heart disease even though they avoid high cholesterol foods.
Another way of looking at the association between cholesterol and heart disease is this:
Other factors cause both high cholesterol and heart disease.
For example, being overweight causes cholesterol levels to rise. And being overweight causes heart disease.
Likewise, stress, smoking and other lifestyle / environmental factors cause high cholesterol. And they also cause heart disease.
When you understand high cholesterol from this perspective, you will realise that high cholesterol may indicate the presence of heart disease. But it is not the cause. The causes are other factors in the diet, lifestyle and environment.
High cholesterol foods vs high cholesterol
It is also important to understand that eating high cholesterol foods will not automatically lead to high cholesterol levels in the blood. Nor will it automatically lead to heart disease.
The Masai is an African tribe whose members eats only meat, blood and milk. Their diet has plenty of saturated fats as well as high cholesterol foods. Yet they have one of the world's lowest levels of blood cholesterol.
George Mann, one of the scientists who studied the Masai, described the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disesase as “the greatest scam in the history of medicine."
In India, North Indians, eat more meat and used mainly ghee (clarified butter) for cooking, compared with South Indians who were mainly vegetarian.
The North Indian diet had 17 times more saturated fat than the South Indian diet. Plus, of course, the North Indians ate plenty of high cholesterol foods.
Yet a 1968 study found that North Indians had seven times less heart disease than Indians in the South.
This was because, by the late 60s, South Indians had started the switch from coconut oil, which contains about 90 percent saturated fats, to margarine and other polyunsaturated vegetable oils.
More recent studies show that North Indians are finally begin to catch up with the South in heart disease rates – because North Indians have started to use less ghee and more margarine and vegetable oils.
High cholesterol foods – large scale studies
One of the biggest studies to establish saturated fats as the causes of coronary heart disease was the 1968 International Atherosclerosis Project, in which over 22,000 corpses in 14 nations were cut open and examined for plaques in the arteries.
The study found roughly the same degree of plaque in all parts of the world – among people who ate a lot of meat and high cholesterol foods, as well as those who ate little or no meat; among people with high rates of heart disease as well as those with little or no heart disease.
In a long term British study involving several thousand men, half of them were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol, stop smoking and increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. The rest continued to eat their usual amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, and also continued to smoke.
The study results, reported in The Lancet in 1968, were startling: After one year, those following the ‘healthy’ diet and lifetyle had 100 percent more deaths than those on the supposedly unhealthy diet and lifestyle.
The Framingham Heart Study, started in 1948 and still on-going, is one of the biggest research projects on heart health. In 1992, study leader Dr William Castelli wrote in Archives of Internal Medicine:
“In Frammingham, Massachusetts… the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active.”
Whats interesting is that some of the things in the article actually go along with Adams theories, and some do not. Soooo, there-in lies the question of who is right?
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So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it? Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich. If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in. Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich. For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal. Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.
He can't and won't admit when he's wrong!
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I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.
Discuss.
then you dont need hormones,,get your weight down to 155-165lb and you will look like him physiqe wize,,work on your midsection so you can have abdominals,,
if you want to be a bigger version of him,,as in 200+lb with that quality and his 8% you will need hormones
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So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it? Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich. You cant compare the sandwich to the chicken breast as you arent comparing like things. If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in. Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich. For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal. Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.
If you want to talk about cholesterol levels in food, you should read a little of this...
HIGH CHOLESTEROL FOODS:
Healthy, not harmful!
In traditional societies, high cholesterol foods were regarded as healthy foods.
Our ancestors did not know about cholesterol but they knew that eggs, organ meat (including the brain), seafood, shellfish… were all highly nourishing for the body.
In the natural world, the same foods are valued by animals like lions and tigers. When they kill their prey, the first things they eat are the liver and the brain, both of which contain very high levels of cholesterol.
Yet today, all these foods are regarded as “bad” . Today, practically all doctors and lay persons accept, without questioning, that high choleterol foods “cause” heart disease.
Were our ancestors, as well as animals in the wild, mistaken about the value of high cholesterol foods? Or are we mistaken about their so-called harm?
One person who dared to question the idea that saturated fats and high cholesterol foods are harmful to health is Dr Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD., author of The Cholesterol Myths as well as over 50 scientific papers – published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals – debunking the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease.
Among other things, Dr Uffe Ravnskov tells us that:
* People with high cholesterol levels live longer! Old people with high blood cholesterol are less likely to die from heart attack, cancer and other diseases, compared with those whose blood cholesterol levels are lower.
* Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals.
* There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by itself, but may reflect an unhealthy condition, or it may be totally innocent.
* Many scientific studies have shown that people with low blood cholesterol are just as likely to develop atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries) as people whose cholesterol level is high.
* Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. In other words, the more high cholesterol foods you eat, the less cholesterol your body produces.
* More than 20 scientific studies have shown that people who suffered a heart attack had not eaten more fat of any kind than other people – they had not eaten plenty of saturated fats and high cholesterol foods.
Of course, it is not just Dr Uffe Ravnskov saying all this and more. What he tells us about saturated fats and high cholesterol foods comes mainly from studying the reports of other scientists. He further tells us that…
The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.
High cholesterol foods nourish the cells
To appreciate why high cholesterol foods are not harmful, we need to understand what cholesterol is, and what role it plays in human health.
Cholesterol is a waxy, fat-like substance. Yet it is not a fat. In chemistry, cholesterol is classified as a type of alcohol. But this is confusing for the layman because it does not behave like an alcohol.
The special quality of cholesterol is that it is impossible to dissolve in water. They make our cell walls waterproof. And this allows us – and all other animals – to regulate the internal environment of our cells undisturbed by changes in their surroundings.
Thus, our cells need cholesterol in order to function properly.
It is true that the body – more specifically the liver – can produce cholesterol for the body's needs. But taking cholesterol from high cholesterol foods can be helpful.
When you do not take enough high cholesterol foods – for example, if you take mainly vegetable oils rather than animal fat containing cholesterol – the cholesterol in your blood will the transferred to your cells.
As a result, your blood cholesterol level drops.
Most people, including most doctors and scientists, consider this to be a good sign. It is actually an unhealthy sign. It indicates that your cells have become weak from lack of cholesterol.
For this reason, it is not a good idea to switch from animal fats to polyunsaturated vegetable oils. It weakens your cells. There is scientific evidence that high intake of polyunsaturated oils increases the risks of cancer!
High cholesterol foods for the brain
The fact that cells are waterproof is especially critical for the normal functioning of nerves and nerve cells. Thus, the highest concentration of cholesterol in the body is found in the brain and other parts of the nervous system.
High cholesterol foods therefore nourish the brain. People with very low cholesterol (below 150 mg/dl) are more prone to depression and nervous system disorders. Rather than worry about high cholesterol foods, you need to worry more if your blood cholesterol level is too low.
It is worth noting that Nathan Pritikin, one of the strongest advocates of a low-fat, no-cholesterol diet during the 1980s, developed cancer and committed suicide. He died in the prime of his life!
Other followers of the low-fat diet had a host of other problems, including low energy, difficulty in concentration, depression, weight gain and mineral deficiencies.
High cholesterol foods for babies
And because cholesterol is needed for the brain, babies and children need high cholesterol foods for brain development.
One of the richest high cholesterol foods is, in fact, human breast milk.
And one of the worst foods to give to babies is soy infant formula, because it contains zero cholesterol.
High cholesterol foods and heart disease
What about heart disease? Doesn't cholesterol “cause” heart disease?
Here, we need to understand the difference between “cause” and “association”. Many scientific studies have found an association between cholesterol and heart disease.
But this does not meant that high cholesterol foods cause heart disease – because there are people who eat plenty of high cholesterol foods and do not develop heart disease. And there are also people who develop heart disease even though they avoid high cholesterol foods.
Another way of looking at the association between cholesterol and heart disease is this:
Other factors cause both high cholesterol and heart disease.
For example, being overweight causes cholesterol levels to rise. And being overweight causes heart disease.
Likewise, stress, smoking and other lifestyle / environmental factors cause high cholesterol. And they also cause heart disease.
When you understand high cholesterol from this perspective, you will realise that high cholesterol may indicate the presence of heart disease. But it is not the cause. The causes are other factors in the diet, lifestyle and environment.
High cholesterol foods vs high cholesterol
It is also important to understand that eating high cholesterol foods will not automatically lead to high cholesterol levels in the blood. Nor will it automatically lead to heart disease.
The Masai is an African tribe whose members eats only meat, blood and milk. Their diet has plenty of saturated fats as well as high cholesterol foods. Yet they have one of the world's lowest levels of blood cholesterol.
George Mann, one of the scientists who studied the Masai, described the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disesase as “the greatest scam in the history of medicine."
In India, North Indians, eat more meat and used mainly ghee (clarified butter) for cooking, compared with South Indians who were mainly vegetarian.
The North Indian diet had 17 times more saturated fat than the South Indian diet. Plus, of course, the North Indians ate plenty of high cholesterol foods.
Yet a 1968 study found that North Indians had seven times less heart disease than Indians in the South.
This was because, by the late 60s, South Indians had started the switch from coconut oil, which contains about 90 percent saturated fats, to margarine and other polyunsaturated vegetable oils.
More recent studies show that North Indians are finally begin to catch up with the South in heart disease rates – because North Indians have started to use less ghee and more margarine and vegetable oils.
High cholesterol foods – large scale studies
One of the biggest studies to establish saturated fats as the causes of coronary heart disease was the 1968 International Atherosclerosis Project, in which over 22,000 corpses in 14 nations were cut open and examined for plaques in the arteries.
The study found roughly the same degree of plaque in all parts of the world – among people who ate a lot of meat and high cholesterol foods, as well as those who ate little or no meat; among people with high rates of heart disease as well as those with little or no heart disease.
In a long term British study involving several thousand men, half of them were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol, stop smoking and increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. The rest continued to eat their usual amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, and also continued to smoke.
The study results, reported in The Lancet in 1968, were startling: After one year, those following the ‘healthy’ diet and lifetyle had 100 percent more deaths than those on the supposedly unhealthy diet and lifestyle.
The Framingham Heart Study, started in 1948 and still on-going, is one of the biggest research projects on heart health. In 1992, study leader Dr William Castelli wrote in Archives of Internal Medicine:
“In Frammingham, Massachusetts… the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active.”
Whats interesting is that some of the things in the article actually go along with Adams theories, and some do not. Soooo, there-in lies the question of who is right?
Again, your feeling is your opinion.
The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.
Why do I not care about protein content?
Simple. I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.
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Again, your feeling is your opinion.
The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.
Why do I not care about protein content?
Simple. I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.
Again, you haven't a clue on how fats work!
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And how much of that size (200, 8%) can I keep when I stay clean? What kind of maintenance doses am I looking at? My concerns with gear are the acceleration of aging, and the ability to keep gains once the cessation of hormones occurs. I don't see a reason to juice if I have to keep doing so indefinitely, or if I am going to be 25 and look like I'm pushing 40 (most up and coming amateurs ;D).
you will keep 99% of the gains you make on hormones,,its a big myth about gains being lost,,,if its muscle it is muscle,,,you get softer and less fit if you dont train,,,you lose muscle mass if you dont train for couple weeks,,,its starts on the 5th day for a true natural but im not gonna get into it,,
99% of the gains made on hormones are kept and are real muscle mass,,ofcourse when you blow up you will lose a lot of water post cycle but the real muscle gains wont go no where,,,unless you stop training and dont keep consistancy of training,,
the problem with hormones is for the bigger guys that carry 250+ lb we have harder time keeping it when off because our bones are not designed to carry so much muscle on it,,when you aim at 200lb you wont lose anything as long as you keep yourself in check
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Funny.
I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.
Mcdonalds Big Mac:
1 Meat-No preservatives. Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns
6. Kraft Cheese
These are the Brands Mcdonalds uses. You can get any of these ingredients at the grocery store, including the SAME meat. Mcdonalds is the WORLDS leading beef buyer. Their meat is a little better inspected than what you buy in the supermarket though. Held to higher standards.
I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.
Its in your head.
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Again, your feeling is your opinion.
The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.
Why do I not care about protein content?
Simple. I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.
But thats my point Adam...why are you trying to compare the two things??
Your Big Mac vs. a 6" Quizno's Steakhouse Signature Sub....the Quiznos sandwich has only 62mgs of cholesterol.
The 5oz chicken breast is GOING to have more cholesterol. But is it REALLY going to affect you??? I was comparing LIKE protein content. Then I went ahead and created the sample meal that had LESS cholesterol and was equal in carbs and protein.
So, when you bring up the comparison of the Big Mac to the Chicken breast....you are not comparing like protein content....not comparing like calories......not comparing like carb content either. So, the comparison really cant be considered all that great.
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Funny.
I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.
Mcdonalds Big Mac:
1 Meat-No preservatives. Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns
I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.
Its in your head.
Yeah, just like there's no additives in wine ::)!
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Funny.
I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.
Mcdonalds Big Mac:
1 Meat-No preservatives. Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns
I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.
Its in your head.
No Adam its NOT in my head. I have been having these sandwiches since before you were born. I have ALWAYS had that sensation/feeling/"taste" in my mouth. This does NOT mean I dont eat them from time to time. I just know what happens when I do.
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But thats my point Adam...why are you trying to compare the two things??
Your Big Mac vs. a 6" Quizno's Steakhouse Signature Sub....the Quiznos sandwich has only 62mgs of cholesterol.
The 5oz chicken breast is GOING to have more cholesterol. But is it REALLY going to affect you??? I was comparing LIKE protein content. Then I went ahead and created the sample meal that had LESS cholesterol and was equal in carbs and protein.
So, when you bring up the comparison of the Big Mac to the Chicken breast....you are not comparing like protein content....not comparing like calories......not comparing like carb content either. So, the comparison really cant be considered all that great.
My point is, I cannot stand when people say that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol. It is simply not true.
I was only comparing Cholesterol. The myth keeps being spread that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol when they are not.
Again. Caloric amount is the most important thing. You adequately meet nutrition needs every single day without even trying.
Due to the level of obesity, most overcompensate.
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Like I said..........he's clueless...........
Cholesterol is rigid like the saturated fatty acid. Cholesterol is also incorporated into the membrane. If there is an excess of saturated fat ingested this will displace the cholesterol from the membranes thus raising the cholesterol in the blood. A diet rich in essential fatty acids mean that more cholesterol can be incorporated into the membranes because the essential fatty acids are fluid and balance the more rigid cholesterol.
Lipoproteins -Carrier for fats, cholesterol and fat-soluble vitamins. Consist of a single layer phospholipid membrane withcarrier proteins and lipids enclosed. (VLDL, LDL, HDL Lp(a))
Cholesterol can be synthesized from fatty acid, sugar or proteins
Melts at 300F
A building material for , estrogen, progesterone , testosterone, stress hormones, Vit. D, bile acids.
Saturated and monounsaturated fatty acid are the main sources of the acetate fragments for cholesterol production. (Our body conserves essential fatty acids for non-fuel functions.) An excess of refined carbohydrate produce an excess of acetate fragment which pushes the cholesterol factories into more production.
A 150 pound person has about 1/3 pound of cholesterol
Cholesterol once made is not broken down but is secreted into the bile. 94% is reabsorbed. It is the oxidized cholesterol that damages the arteries.
Only oxidized LDL cholesterol damages the arteries.
Apo(a) is a repair protein carried by Lp(a) and is risk for atherosclerosis in high levels. Fibrinogin/fibrin level also carry this risk. Increased level of Vit. C keep the levels of Apo(a) and Lp(a) down.
Vit. C, niacin, zinc, magnesium, chromium, selenium, iodine, fiber and fresh natural unsaturated oils can lower cholesterol.
Raise HDL with garlic, onions, brewer's yeast, ginseng, fish, lecithin, chromium, Vit. C and Vit. E
Lowering CAD is closer correlated with fiber intake than Saturated fat consumption
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No Adam its NOT in my head. I have been having these sandwiches since before you were born. I have ALWAYS had that sensation/feeling/"taste" in my mouth. This does NOT mean I dont eat them from time to time. I just know what happens when I do.
Thats funny,
It has to BE in YOUR head,
I don`t get the same sensation or feeling. Jezebelle just said she doesn`t either.
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Sheep you all are...brainwashed by people only slightly less dumb than you are.
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Funny.
I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.
Mcdonalds Big Mac:
1 Meat-No preservatives. Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns
6. Kraft Cheese
These are the Brands Mcdonalds uses. You can get any of these ingredients at the grocery store, including the SAME meat. Mcdonalds is the WORLDS leading beef buyer. Their meat is a little better inspected than what you buy in the supermarket though. Held to higher standards.
I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.
Its in your head.
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Wtf is the greasy Big Mac mouth syndrome?
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Again, your feeling is your opinion.
The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.
Why do I not care about protein content?
Simple. I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.
straight from the tap
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Caloric amount is the most important thing.
No, it isn't you dumb SOB, you are really starting to piss me off with your complete INGNORANCE, if a diabetic were to follow your "diet" THEY WOULD DIE!
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Sheep you all are...brainwashed by people only slightly less dumb than you are.
shut up c u n t
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My point is, I cannot stand when people say that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol. It is simply not true.
I was only comparing Cholesterol. The myth keeps being spread that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol when they are not.
Again. Caloric amount is the most important thing. You adequately meet nutrition needs every single day without even trying.
Due to the level of obesity, most overcompensate.
There we go....THATS a point I will gladly go with you on. They really ARENT that high in cholesterol.
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what I dont get is Jezebelle looks like an attractive girl--why is she not embarasses to be with you Adonis? You are not only bizarre looking and unattractive, but near hideous with those facial features, gigantic ears and receding hairline. I'm not saying this just to be a dick, its a fact. She could do A LOT better.
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Wtf is the greasy Big Mac mouth syndrome?
Not even going to go there with you on this. I am having a discussion with Adam.
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No, it isn't you dumb SOB, you are really starting to piss me off with your complete INGNORANCE, if a diabetic were to follow your "diet" THEY WOULD DIE!
Wrong.
The Skinny on the Glycemic Index
Although developed to help people with diabetes manage their food intake, the glycemic index has taken on new meaning as a weight loss strategy. In fact, several diet books tout the glycemic index as a foolproof way of identifying foods that raise blood sugar and insulin levels and therefore, can lead to weight gain. But despite the hype, experts in nutrition and public health see very little practical use for the glycemic index and even the American Diabetes Association does not recommend this system for the prevention or treatment of diabetes. This is because of the many factors that affect the digestion of carbohydrates in the body. In fact, there is no clear evidence that avoiding foods high on the index is even beneficial.
The following describes what the glycemic index is and why the public health community does not recommend it in designing an eating plan.
The Glycemic Index and Its Limitations
Originally developed in 1981 as a laboratory tool to measure the rate at which carbohydrates are metabolized, the glycemic index is now being used by some as a measure of the degree to which a specific food raises a person's blood sugar, which in turn affects insulin levels in the body. GI is calculated by measuring the effect of 50 grams of carbohydrates from various foods against a "standard" response from 50 grams of glucose. The higher the number, the greater the food's effect on blood sugar.
The reason for all the interest in the index is because it supports the theory of "net carbs," which has facilitated the creation of the low-carb food industry and the launch of thousands of "low-carb" products. The theory is that high-GI foods cause a spike in the glucose level that prompts the body to release a flood of insulin. In turn, insulin drops blood sugar levels so that the person feels hungry again quickly and eats more. In contrast, low-GI foods are said to be digested more slowly and to release glucose more gradually.
But while many popular diet books make it sound as if the glycemic index is an accepted theory, in truth, there are very real problems with this system. First and foremost is the fact that the glycemic index deals with single foods eaten alone, not meals where foods are combined.
At the same time, this system does not take into account the serving size of commonly eaten foods or the fact that there can be major differences even when comparing foods of the same type, such as a relatively green banana compared with a ripe one. Another major limitation of the glycemic index is that it doesn't take into account the many factors that can alter the digestion and absorption of carbohydrates. These factors include the amount of fiber, fat and protein in the food, how refined the ingredients are, whether the food was cooked, and what other foods are eaten at the same time.
Along with these limitations, there is no clear-cut evidence in the scientific literature that associates low-GI foods as either promoting satiety or reducing hunger. Moreover, nutritionists state that eliminating all foods that are high on the glycemic index is unhealthy, since many of these carbohydrates are rich in vitamins and minerals, phytochemicals, antioxidants and dietary fiber that have been associated with a lower risk for certain cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and stroke, among other medical conditions. What is even more troubling is that many foods that have a low GI score, such as chocolate bars, are known to be high in fat and calories, while foods such as carrots with a high GI score are not.
The Implications for People with Diabetes
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
1 Statement of the American Diabetes Association: Nutrition Recommendations for the Treatment and Prevention of Diabetes: January 2002 (Diabetes Care 2002;25:148-198)
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Wtf is the greasy Big Mac mouth syndrome?
it sounds like he doesn't brush his teeth.
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it sounds like he doesn't brush his teeth.
Not at all...should I? Is there a special toothpaste I should use?? Mayeb one that will get me the fresh breath I crave along with a pair of superior developed calves like you display?
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And you're saying that stack you described ealier will help get me that? In that case I may be sold. :)
However, first I would like to get back up to my old max weight and hit the gas from there.
the stack i mentioned in earlier post is a basic stack for lifters who wanna put on muscle mass,,it is very simply common stack since the late 60s,,very common
there is a secret in bodybuilding that the average gym user never understand and that is why he or she are stuck,,i will say it here once,,wont repeat it again
when you blow up on a cycle,,,always add at some point ephedra caffeine and aspirin,,this addition to a hormone cycle will result in complete elimination of fat,,it will work to reduce fat thus creating the look you are after,,, not only bigger and lower bf% due to muscle growth,,,but bigger and a considerable reduction of bodyfat% due to the use of the eca,,,it creates a triple effect,,make it quadrouple
gym rats for some reason do not get it,,competetive bodybuilders do
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gym rats for some reason do not get it,,competetive bodybuilders do
Is that what JOJ forgot to do???
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Carolinegresh: ZACH
Carolinegresh: YOU LOOK LIKE YOU STINK
Carolinegresh: DO YOU TAKE SHOWERS?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Not at all...should I? Is there a special toothpaste I should use?? Mayeb one that will get me the fresh breath I crave along with a pair of superior developed calves like you display?
you tell me
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Is that what JOJ forgot to do???
johnny boy is holding water,,nothing less nothing more,,water is good for you ;)
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johnny boy is holding water,,nothing less nothing more,,water is good for you ;)
Vince Goodrum Owns JOJ in those pics.
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i've been looking for calf size increasing toothpaste for years.
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Wrong.
The Skinny on the Glycemic Index
Although developed to help people with diabetes manage their food intake, the glycemic index has taken on new meaning as a weight loss strategy. In fact, several diet books tout the glycemic index as a foolproof way of identifying foods that raise blood sugar and insulin levels and therefore, can lead to weight gain. But despite the hype, experts in nutrition and public health see very little practical use for the glycemic index and even the American Diabetes Association does not recommend this system for the prevention or treatment of diabetes. This is because of the many factors that affect the digestion of carbohydrates in the body. In fact, there is no clear evidence that avoiding foods high on the index is even beneficial.
The following describes what the glycemic index is and why the public health community does not recommend it in designing an eating plan.
The Glycemic Index and Its Limitations
Originally developed in 1981 as a laboratory tool to measure the rate at which carbohydrates are metabolized, the glycemic index is now being used by some as a measure of the degree to which a specific food raises a person's blood sugar, which in turn affects insulin levels in the body. GI is calculated by measuring the effect of 50 grams of carbohydrates from various foods against a "standard" response from 50 grams of glucose. The higher the number, the greater the food's effect on blood sugar.
The reason for all the interest in the index is because it supports the theory of "net carbs," which has facilitated the creation of the low-carb food industry and the launch of thousands of "low-carb" products. The theory is that high-GI foods cause a spike in the glucose level that prompts the body to release a flood of insulin. In turn, insulin drops blood sugar levels so that the person feels hungry again quickly and eats more. In contrast, low-GI foods are said to be digested more slowly and to release glucose more gradually.
But while many popular diet books make it sound as if the glycemic index is an accepted theory, in truth, there are very real problems with this system. First and foremost is the fact that the glycemic index deals with single foods eaten alone, not meals where foods are combined.
At the same time, this system does not take into account the serving size of commonly eaten foods or the fact that there can be major differences even when comparing foods of the same type, such as a relatively green banana compared with a ripe one. Another major limitation of the glycemic index is that it doesn't take into account the many factors that can alter the digestion and absorption of carbohydrates. These factors include the amount of fiber, fat and protein in the food, how refined the ingredients are, whether the food was cooked, and what other foods are eaten at the same time.
Along with these limitations, there is no clear-cut evidence in the scientific literature that associates low-GI foods as either promoting satiety or reducing hunger. Moreover, nutritionists state that eliminating all foods that are high on the glycemic index is unhealthy, since many of these carbohydrates are rich in vitamins and minerals, phytochemicals, antioxidants and dietary fiber that have been associated with a lower risk for certain cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and stroke, among other medical conditions. What is even more troubling is that many foods that have a low GI score, such as chocolate bars, are known to be high in fat and calories, while foods such as carrots with a high GI score are not.
The Implications for People with Diabetes
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
1 Statement of the American Diabetes Association: Nutrition Recommendations for the Treatment and Prevention of Diabetes: January 2002 (Diabetes Care 2002;25:148-198)
So? There talking about things that are high on the GI index, carrots are considered high on that index, I'm talking about actual carbs. Adam, do you understand how carbs work? (He's googling as we speak)
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Vince Goodrum Owns JOJ in those pics.
HA Ha Ha HA.....no shit....its VERY sad isnt it. How many would put a gun to their head if they were told they actually look worse than VVV????
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i've been looking for calf size increasing toothpaste for years.
Too bad you wont find one. Crest vanilla had tiny molecules of Superanabolicdrol......b ut they dont sell it anymore.
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So? There talking about things that are high on the GI index, carrots are considered high on that index, I'm talking about actual carbs. Adam, do you understand how carbs work? (He's googling as we speak)
Do you UNDERSTAND that Caloric amount is THE MOST important thing and that the GI index is flawed and useless with no real evidence to support it, hence the reason why the AMERICAN DIABETIC ASSOCIATION among MANY, MANY other organizations who reject it.
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
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How old is TA? I've heard 25-27 and he lives in his parent's basement?
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How old is TA? I've heard 25-27 and he lives in his parent's basement?
???
Jezebelle and I live together.
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Jezebelle and I live together.
And your parents are ok with this?
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Re-read what you cut and pasted, do you understand what you posted?
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
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TA,
I was wondering how people who are in relationships do it (deal with temptation). How do you feel when you see a hot girl who wants to take you home? Don't you get tempted?
Nobody compares to Jezebelle.
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Re-read what you cut and pasted, do you understand what you posted?
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
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TA,
I was wondering how people who are in relationships do it (deal with temptation). How do you feel when you see a hot girl who wants to take you home? Don't you get tempted?
That's a really sleezy thing to say...
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Re-read what you cut and pasted, do you understand what you posted?
Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more. #####
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits."
you have him confused--hence no reply
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That's a really sleezy thing to say...
Matt is a wolf in sheeps clothing ;)
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TA,
I was wondering how people who are in relationships do it (deal with temptation). How do you feel when you see a hot girl who wants to take you home? Don't you get tempted?
I don't think she has anything to worry about. I don't see that scenario happening.
Ever! ;D
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That's a really sleezy thing to say...
do you not think you could do better--I think many of us do--and no I don't mean me, I'm not that stupid. I mean there are lots of wayyyy hotter guys out there who would be into you. You are super hot. Think about it. Look at who you are with and then look at many of the other buys out there. If the phrase "she could do better" was meant for anyone, its you.
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TA,
I was wondering how people who are in relationships do it (deal with temptation). How do you feel when you see a hot girl who wants to take you home? Don't you get tempted?
dude dont wish hateful shit on adam's relashonship
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA.
Oh shit, I didn't even notice it was already taken care of LOLOLOL. HAHAHA. FUCKEN GETBIG LOL.
You set 'em up, and I'll knock 'em down.
;D ;D
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Nobody compares to Jezebelle.
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I would lay 100 to 1 that Jezebelle thinks of other guys when her and Adonis have sex
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I would lay the same odds on Adonis doing the same thing.
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We bought Stags Leap, Artemis.
Its 50 dollars. Not too bad.
Jezebelle and I split a bottle a night.
Matt,
Get on IM`s.
Save your dough and get the Stag's Leap cask 23, or the Faye. The Artemis is their lowest quality wine.
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I would lay the same odds on Adonis doing the same thing.
omglmao ahahhhahhahaha
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That's a really sleezy thing to say...
No its not...its a simple question that should be able to be answered with a simple answer that is filled with conviction.
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Sheep you all are...brainwashed by people only slightly less dumb than you are.
ironic coming from someone with "I love adonis" under all of her posts, supports him in every little aspect of everything in life and even probably supports him through your e-bay business. You even have gimmick accounts set up to defend him and you call other people sheep? C'mon now heck...er jez, look in the mirror.
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My favourite picture of Jezebelle before she got fat.
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jez probably goes out to find a real man , whilst apenis sits in front of the computer...
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There are no additives in wine idiot.
Just grapes.
Sulfites my friend. Look it up. They've been added to wine for centuries. If you want to avoid them then you need to drink organic wine
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Jezebelle and I live together.
In your mother's basement?
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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
Here are two pictures from today and two pictures of my projected physique after only one month of using the TA principles. TA says he will help me go from my current body fat of 29% to 3% in that time.
you look like milos sarcev if he was natural.
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I would lay 100 to 1 that Jezebelle thinks of other guys when her and Adonis have sex
more like 100 to 1 jezebelle isn't his girlfriend and it's TA pretending to be her
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Just kidding. It was easy as shit and I'm not even sore.
Discuss.
epic rip off! thanks for the compliment tho
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It's funny. When I was 18, I would have been head over heals for a girl like that (second pic). Now I'm kind of neutral about it. ??? I think dating and monogamy is sort of a social construct actually. I don't think human beings as a species are supposed to be with just one person. My training partner has encouraged that I go on a date with her though. The way I see it, relationships cost a lot of freedom, but there are pros and cons.
would you let the fat version suck your penis?
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Shit LOL...we've all had that happen at one time or another right? ??? :-\
she was pretty damn hot before.
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hahaha. Yeah, she's cute. She'll be 20 next month. Really petite though. 5'1 or 5'2 and couldn't be more than 100 pounds.
what happened to her?
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She started the TA principles. ;D
This is my first meal of the day (at 2PM again). That is one full glass of Vanilla soy milk and half a glass of chocolate soy milk (lots of protein in that). The chicken burger is on a white bun because they didn't have whole wheat. That is a BBQ chicken salad. I eat similar sized meals about every four hours throughout the day.
Feedback appreciated. Discuss.
damn that looks good, especially the fries.
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what's the yellow shit next to your fries ?
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what's the yellow shit next to your fries ?
Jello
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Why are you drinking soy milk?
Also, that food looks depressing.
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Matt, have you ever thought about giving penis a try?
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MAtt you are a weird mofo
who drinks milk with a fucking hamburger ;D
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Matt, have you ever thought about giving penis a try?
You better run Matt, it looks like you have an admirer. ;)
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Couldn't you at least put the Jell-o on a dfferent plate?
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Hahahahahahaha. Fucken MattCanning. ::)
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She started the TA principles. ;D
This is my first meal of the day (at 2PM again). That is one full glass of Vanilla soy milk and half a glass of chocolate soy milk (lots of protein in that). The chicken burger is on a white bun because they didn't have whole wheat. That is a BBQ chicken salad. I eat similar sized meals about every four hours throughout the day.
Feedback appreciated. Discuss.
you know.... my chicken and veggies LOOKS more appetizing than that.... probably tastes better too
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What is that mess with the kidney beans and pasta next to the chicken? Man, the more I look at that plate of food the worse it looks.
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It took some coaxing and bribing but I got some video of a secret Apenis Training Session in his garage. This is a black market video that was never supposed to be seen publicly.
This video is explicit, but it truly shows how bizarre and stupid Apenis's Principles are. After seeing this video is there any question why he looks the way he does.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=47vqZJot43I (http://youtube.com/watch?v=47vqZJot43I)
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That says it all!
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How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.
By The True Adonis
You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.
You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.
Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.
Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?
QUOTED 2007