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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tweeter on March 16, 2007, 11:03:01 PM
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January 29, 2007
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looks like you dropped a huge percentage of clothes while adding some quality dvds. congrats
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Wow.... Adonis principles make you lose your hair! :o
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are you balding?
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You look the same. The only he taught you was how to suck in your gut.
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So basically you ate less calories, meaning you lost your job too just like he did. So going on a forced diet worked for you. Good job.
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(http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10220/snakeowned.jpg)
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Thats a lot of t-shirts ;D
It seems in general you overconsume whether it be food or other items
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dude.. no progress
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like i told you in the past,,you lose little bodyfat (hard to notice with naked eye) but a lot more muscle mass (easy to notice with naked eye),,,its called shrinkage,,this is what is happening,,more calories needed,,more protien needed,,more meals needed,,cant be all dirty food gotta have balance between the dirt and the clean especially when not hormonized!
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like i told you in the past,,you lose little bodyfat (hard to notice with naked eye) but a lot more muscle mass (easy to notice with naked eye),,,its called shrinkage,,this is what is happening,,more calories needed,,more protien needed,,more meals needed,,cant be all dirty food gotta have balance between the dirt and the clean especially when not hormonized!
gh15 is wise.
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You look about the same. Tad more seperation between delt/upperarm and chest is actually smaller with a little fat from the lower pecs gone. Still got a long way to go before contest condition.
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Gotta love it. Tweeter's even using better lighting in the recent pics to give the illusion of a better physique. It's like looking at some of those "before and after" ads in muscle mags.
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I hope for your sake you're not moronic and sheepish enough to actually follow these 'principles'.
If you wanted to add a little 'board drama' your pics are not cutting it.
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Don't tell me its the lighting dude you lost hair wtf?
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you're a good kid ;)
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Hahahahahah what a balding photoshoped tool...
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this is so retarded, get some fucking consistent lighting and do mandatory poses with the camera in the same place where you keep a piece of tape on the floor, same lighting, flash, everything. otherwise this whole experiment is gayer than the imaginary musclebears asscheeks it looks like you're grabbing in those last shots
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Here is one from yesterday, March 16.
epic delusional disorder
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Nah he is leaner, he's lost some love handle.. good work man, but don't follow this idiots guide to idiots because unless you give it your own little twist and eat healthy, then yeah you'll feel tired and shit all the time.
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Nah he is leaner, he's lost some love handle.. good work man, but don't follow this idiots guide to idiots because unless you give it your own little twist and eat healthy, then yeah you'll feel tired and shit all the time.
priciples will not work unless the person has a really high bodyfat, the you would loseing more bodyfat no matter what, rathe rthen muscle but whne you gte to that last 3-5 lbs you want to lose of fat this sdiet will nevr wrk caus e it will keep eatingyou muscle adonis looked anorexic in his pics and you could tell his stomach was loose as shit
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Have another donut !!
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So basically you ate less calories, meaning you lost your job too just like he did. So going on a forced diet worked for you. Good job.
Honestly, anyone who follows TA's advice should check themselves into a mental institution as quickly as possible. :o
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Honestly, anyone who follows TA's advice should check themselves into a mental institution as quickly as possible. :o
Listen to the Enigma, Tweeter! All you need to do to get bound in a straight jacket and get locked in an asylum is show them this pic at the door
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135134.0;attach=151009;image)
You'll be made guest for life on top, if you tell them about Adonis and his principles. He's already in the most wanted retards list since his retardation is so severe, it warrants a special study in itself 8)
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Here is one from yesterday, March 16.
not bad seems the adonis principals will work on anyone :)
Now all you have to do is get to the gym..
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not bad seems the adonis principals will work on anyone :)
Now all you have to do is get to the gym..
Are you saying that the only Adonis principle it's preacher and followers accept and carry out to the best of their ability, is the one that says, "Get Anorexic and it's that much closer to Down's Syndrome - so we can justify why we go 'down' on every black cock we come across", Dan?
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Are you saying that the only Adonis principle it's preacher and followers accept and carry out to the best of their ability, is the one that says, "Get Anorexic and it's that much closer to Down's Syndrome - so we can justify why we go 'down' on every black cock we come across", Dan?
I believe there very close to buying the same sneakers and pants and shirts and starting another heavens gate.The only differance is they already have no cock and balls..
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Listen to the Enigma, Tweeter! All you need to do to get bound in a straight jacket and get locked in an asylum is show them this pic at the door
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135134.0;attach=151009;image)
You'll be made guest for life on top, if you tell them about Adonis and his principles. He's already in the most wanted retards list since his retardation is so severe, it warrants a special study in itself 8)
Just make sure the Mental Institution has a McDonalds close by, in case of severe "TA Principles" withdrawal. ::)
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How does it feel to progress backwards ?
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How does it feel to progress backwards ?
hahahhahahaha
fine ownage
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How does it feel to progress backwards ?
JaeJowned 8)
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How does it feel to progress backwards ?
An Owning of Monster Proportions.
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epic hours spent on mood lighting
just to prove you look like shit
fucking hilarious
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hahaa, delusional. you look like shit.
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Not impressive for that span of time.
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looks like you dropped a huge percentage of clothes while adding some quality dvds. congrats
HAHAHAH classic.
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epic orange clothing selection.
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haha the funny thing is
if you used a traditional 40/40/20 diet with reduced calories and did cardio 4 times a week
you would look 10 times better than that
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dude i would be embarrassed by using any info from TA, why no leg shots from the beginning pics, hum ???
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haha the funny thing is
if you used a traditional 40/40/20 diet with reduced calories and did cardio 4 times a week
you would look 10 times better than that
Are you saying 'Tweeter' ::) realises by now that the '100% pedigree Ugandan bear' semen that he relied on as the sole source of nutrition during the 6 weeks mentioned, has only made his lips swollen and his hair to drop faster than Adonis drops to his knees when he sees a Ugandan bear himself, affy?
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and your point is?
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and your point is?
His point is what Adonis exemplifies to perfection - You are what you eat and therefore, when you eat sh*t, you look like sh*t hahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha maybe it was due to looking like a giant turd that Adonis unconsciously chose a handle that rings closest to 'turd' and 'anus' to signify both his purpose and origin hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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not impressed tweeter
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looks like you dropped a huge percentage of clothes while adding some quality dvds. congrats
LOL. Well played, Sir. :)
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LOL. Well played, Sir. :)
you never responded to my post about evolution.
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Tweeter !
I am going out for a couple of minutes to buy some expensive diet coke !
when I'll be back I expect you to have posted some pics where we can truly see that the Adonis Principles work !
cause so far you lost muscle mass and not a lot of bodyfat
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Listen to the Enigma, Tweeter! All you need to do to get bound in a straight jacket and get locked in an asylum is show them this pic at the door
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135134.0;attach=151009;image)
You'll be made guest for life on top, if you tell them about Adonis and his principles. He's already in the most wanted retards list since his retardation is so severe, it warrants a special study in itself 8)
Hey kiwiol, take off your shirt and lets compare tweeters and your pictures... ill even throw a few in there.... Kiowol?......... hello?... Kiowol? You there bud?
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Are you saying 'Tweeter' ::) realises by now that the '100% pedigree Ugandan bear' semen that he relied on as the sole source of nutrition during the 6 weeks mentioned, has only made his lips swollen and his hair to drop faster than Adonis drops to his knees when he sees a Ugandan bear himself, affy?
hahahhahahahahaha precisely
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Hey kiwiol, take off your shirt and lets compare tweeters and your pictures... ill even throw a few in there.... Kiowol?......... hello?... Kiowol? You there bud?
Kiwiol is bigger and leaner than tweeter
just take a look at Kiwiol's double biceps, he totally destroy Tweeter
ans tweeter still have love handles
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Kiwiol is bigger and leaner than tweeter
just take a look at Kiwiol's double biceps, he totally destroy Tweeter
ans tweeter still have love handles
Notice how Kiowol refuses to take off his shirt and hit a side chest shot or a front double bi.... He is clear he is embarrased. He may be bigger though but he will not do as i have asked.
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Notice how Kiowol refuses to take off his shirt and hit a side chest shot or a front double bi.... He is clear he is embarrased. He may be bigger though but he will not do as i have asked.
you may hate the guy but you have to be totally delusional if you think tweeter has a better physique than Kiwiol.
try to be unbiased when you compare physiques, Buttsuck
even if I hate someone I can say that he has a good physique
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Notice how Kiowol refuses to take off his shirt and hit a side chest shot or a front double bi.... He is clear he is embarrased. He may be bigger though but he will not do as i have asked.
Hahahahahaha did it occur to you that some of us won't engage in Gay 4 free even if you were asking under the guise of a challenge? I refuse to encourage your disgusting method of seeking sexual gratification ;D
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I know it's hard, but try, just try... to smile when you pose. Thank you.
You see, that way even if your physique sucks, people will still think you're a decent dude and not instantly hate your guts. Now go organize your closet, before I come to your town and kill everybody. :)
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looks like you dropped a huge percentage of clothes while adding some quality dvds. congrats
;D Not too bad.
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Check out the rest of the pics on the case study thread in the nutrition section.
I'd rather not. :-[
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Not impressed.
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Maybe the wine you drink in your diet isn't expensive enough Tweeter ? :-\
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January 29, 2007
do you even know what a gym IS ?!?! ???
you look like one of those "masters of your own bodyweight" warriors...
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okay, completely disregarding my feelings about the "adonis principles" here...
tweeter, you lost a very negligible amount of weight, i was thinking five pounds at the most, and i would have chalked up the difference in appearance to the lighting. when you shift from a dim light to a severe shadowing-overhead light and the difference is hardly noticeable, that means your in trouble.
since you lost 18 pounds apparently, that means you absolutely didn't lose 18 pounds of fat. 18 pounds of fat lost is a fair amount, if you were 200 pounds in the first picture, 18 pounds of fat is a full 9% of your bodyweight. unfortunately, you didn't just lose fat, you simply got smaller. 50g of protein in a caloric deficit is just stupid if you plan on holding onto muscle tissue.
one of the problems with the "adonis principles" is that it just assumes all weight lost is fat and goes from there. you'll probably get lean eventually, but you'll be a beanpole and then Team Gimmick Account will swarm out saying "see? that's how much muscle he actually had! you fatasses don't realize it!!" when in reality you're losing a LOT of muscle.
i've seen a lot of guys lose fat and look bigger afterwards, take dave gulledge:
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122150774032.bigdave2.JPG)
320 pounds
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122151238352.Picture024.jpg)
265
that's 55 pounds lost. that's what it looks like when you really strip just fat. he looks gigantic at 265 whereas at 320 or so he was huge, but his shoulders for example didn't have that roundness to them due to the fat over them.
keep that in mind. if you're looking smaller, something's not right.
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Well Tweeter, thanks for proving my point about losing weight on a calorie controlled diet as opposed to a macro controlled diet for bodybuilding...........y ou look the same, except smaller, anyway, good job on the weight loss, you'd make Richard Simmons proud!
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okay, completely disregarding my feelings about the "adonis principles" here...
tweeter, you lost a very negligible amount of weight, i was thinking five pounds at the most, and i would have chalked up the difference in appearance to the lighting. when you shift from a dim light to a severe shadowing-overhead light and the difference is hardly noticeable, that means your in trouble.
since you lost 18 pounds apparently, that means you absolutely didn't lose 18 pounds of fat. 18 pounds of fat lost is a fair amount, if you were 200 pounds in the first picture, 18 pounds of fat is a full 9% of your bodyweight. unfortunately, you didn't just lose fat, you simply got smaller. 50g of protein in a caloric deficit is just stupid if you plan on holding onto muscle tissue.
one of the problems with the "adonis principles" is that it just assumes all weight lost is fat and goes from there. you'll probably get lean eventually, but you'll be a beanpole and then Team Gimmick Account will swarm out saying "see? that's how much muscle he actually had! you fatasses don't realize it!!" when in reality you're losing a LOT of muscle.
i've seen a lot of guys lose fat and look bigger afterwards, take dave gulledge:
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122150774032.bigdave2.JPG)
320 pounds
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122151238352.Picture024.jpg)
265
that's 55 pounds lost. that's what it looks like when you really strip just fat. he looks gigantic at 265 whereas at 320 or so he was huge, but his shoulders for example didn't have that roundness to them due to the fat over them.
keep that in mind. if you're looking smaller, something's not right.
Fantastic shape on the Cell-Phone pic! 8)
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i remember reading dave's story
the guys a fucking beast...there were other pics of him, he looked almost like another guy
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one of the problems with the "adonis principles" is that it just assumes all weight lost is fat and goes from there. you'll probably get lean eventually, but you'll be a beanpole and then Team Gimmick Account will swarm out saying "see? that's how much muscle he actually had! you fatasses don't realize it!!" when in reality you're losing a LOT of muscle.
Exactly.
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One has to remember that tweeter still has been supplementing with a multi-vitamin, and he has not been eating Krispy Kremes and McDonalds every meal, or even every day.
Even despite the fact that he didn't eat junk food the whole time, it still looks like he's lost muscle mass.
How long will tweeter stay with this diet?
Another aspect which is interesting, is to hear tweeter's own words from this experience.
As far as strength in the gym, et al.
I'm sure he won't hold any punches. 8)
-Hedge
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Hahahahahaha did it occur to you that some of us won't engage in Gay 4 free even if you were asking under the guise of a challenge? I refuse to encourage your disgusting method of seeking sexual gratification ;D
hahahh, so true, next buttsuck will claim he's way leaner than you around the "inner anus area" and will therefore demand you drop trow and take pictures immediately so he will prove it to everyone once and for all!!
.....not only is he queer but he's too poor to pay a real musclebear so he tries to trick straight guys like kiwiol.
hahahahah, gayer than comparison shopping for picnic baskets
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Hahahahahaha did it occur to you that some of us won't engage in Gay 4 free even if you were asking under the guise of a challenge? I refuse to encourage your disgusting method of seeking sexual gratification ;D
"Gay 4 free" Rofl! ;D
That must be what DA does when he forgets to collect!
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"Gay 4 free" Rofl! ;D
That must be what DA does when he forgets to collect!
i got a feeling it's a punch card system. you get a little card with 10 little pictures of a man's ass, and every time you pay for a "session" he uses his little cock-shaped hole punch. after you pay for 10, the 11th is... gay 4 free!
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"Gay 4 free" Rofl! ;D
That must be what DA does when he forgets to collect!
No, from what I understand DA pays off the guys whom he blows with blowjobs, so they'll pay him money which he can then use on them and, meaning get to do more blowjobs on the same men. Hahahahahahaha gayer than BuffGoddess' penoris.
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looks like tweeter is trying to do a kevin levrone most muscular haha.
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i was thinking he same thing dp, lol or maybe tom prince.lol
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tweeter go low carb!!! asap!
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i was thinking he same thing dp, lol or maybe tom prince.lol
Yep, it the levrone/prince most muscular variation haha.
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brutal leaving your own thread
i bet tweeter is reading all the posts right now and crying while cursing Adonis's name
or
he's waiting for Adonis to come here and make a pathetic attempt at defending him. Proving through google sources that he didn't loose an ounce of muscle.
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brutal leaving your own thread
i bet tweeter is reading all the posts right now and crying while cursing Adonis's name
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he's waiting for Adonis to come here and make a pathetic attempt at defending him. Proving through google sources that he didn't loose an ounce of muscle.
Are you saying that it's quite probable, if not most likely that the only research Adonis does on an hourly basis is to see whether it's possible to swallow his Ethiopian husband's 11 incher all the way to the hilt more times in an hour, than from his record rate from when they went on their honeymoon, affy?
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Tweeter......serious questions.
Why would you even want to try the so called "Adonis Principles" ? Did you see the before and after pictures of him ? Is that the look you are striving for ?
Remember, he actually did have a decent amount of muscle before he started his diet. You have seen the after pics and although lean, he lost a TON of muscle. Is a 13 inch arm a goal ?
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okay, completely disregarding my feelings about the "adonis principles" here...
tweeter, you lost a very negligible amount of weight, i was thinking five pounds at the most, and i would have chalked up the difference in appearance to the lighting. when you shift from a dim light to a severe shadowing-overhead light and the difference is hardly noticeable, that means your in trouble.
since you lost 18 pounds apparently, that means you absolutely didn't lose 18 pounds of fat. 18 pounds of fat lost is a fair amount, if you were 200 pounds in the first picture, 18 pounds of fat is a full 9% of your bodyweight. unfortunately, you didn't just lose fat, you simply got smaller. 50g of protein in a caloric deficit is just stupid if you plan on holding onto muscle tissue.
one of the problems with the "adonis principles" is that it just assumes all weight lost is fat and goes from there. you'll probably get lean eventually, but you'll be a beanpole and then Team Gimmick Account will swarm out saying "see? that's how much muscle he actually had! you fatasses don't realize it!!" when in reality you're losing a LOT of muscle.
i've seen a lot of guys lose fat and look bigger afterwards, take dave gulledge:
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122150774032.bigdave2.JPG)
320 pounds
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/.1122151238352.Picture024.jpg)
265
that's 55 pounds lost. that's what it looks like when you really strip just fat. he looks gigantic at 265 whereas at 320 or so he was huge, but his shoulders for example didn't have that roundness to them due to the fat over them.
keep that in mind. if you're looking smaller, something's not right.
HOLY CRAP! See True Adonis? THAT is someone who should be giving people advice and have "principles."
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HOLY CRAP! See True Adonis? THAT is someone who should be giving people advice and have "principles."
here was his diet:
6:30am
3eggs, 2 egg whites
1.5 cups oats
3 fish oil caps
8:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese
11:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1:30
whole wheat pasta
lean ground turkey
3:30
1cup oats
2scoops protein powder
5:00
ground turkey
7:30
salmon patty sandwich on whole wheat toast
1 chicken breast
9:30
3 scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese
3fish oil caps.
His 2 Week fasts were:
4 protein shakes a day consisting of 2-3 scoops of protein powder and 1 tbsp of flax oil. One meal a day I would have a few eggs with turkey and chesse.
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Hey Zach, you'd have the perfect input for my thread about us analysing other Getbiggers. Check it out.
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Only thing changed in pics is the lighting. Look same bro.... listen to GH15
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here was his diet:
6:30am
3eggs, 2 egg whites
1.5 cups oats
3 fish oil caps
8:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese
11:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1:30
whole wheat pasta
lean ground turkey
3:30
1cup oats
2scoops protein powder
5:00
ground turkey
7:30
salmon patty sandwich on whole wheat toast
1 chicken breast
9:30
3 scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese
3fish oil caps.
His 2 Week fasts were:
4 protein shakes a day consisting of 2-3 scoops of protein powder and 1 tbsp of flax oil. One meal a day I would have a few eggs with turkey and chesse.
Apenis is going to say what a waste on this diet. He could have done the same thing eating at his work McDonalds.
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hahahh, so true, next buttsuck will claim he's way leaner than you around the "inner anus area" and will therefore demand you drop trow and take pictures immediately so he will prove it to everyone once and for all!!
.....not only is he queer but he's too poor to pay a real musclebear so he tries to trick straight guys like kiwiol.
hahahahah, gayer than comparison shopping for picnic baskets
::) Epic attempt to weedle ones way out of yet another challenge.
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At first I didn't like tweeter but now I just feel bad for him.
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Thanks for the comments guys; I appreciate your opinions. I never tried to say that I thought I had a great physique or that it was better than anyone else, so there is no need to compare me to anyone else. Sorry for the lighting change; I realize that it is decieving and I will go back to the original lighting from now on. I just wanted to try out the lighting in my living room and it gave it that "Kamali's kitchen" look.
don't apologize, dude. no one's hating on you, per se. we all just agree that the adonis principles are not going to help you as much as you hope, and there are far better options out there for you. look at adonis himself and realize that he's in his late 20s and has been working out for probably almost a decade. after 10 years of lifting do you think that's what you want to be left with? then consider how good of an idea his "principles" are for you.
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Thanks for the comments guys; I appreciate your opinions. I never tried to say that I thought I had a great physique or that it was better than anyone else, so there is no need to compare me to anyone else. Sorry for the lighting change; I realize that it is decieving and I will go back to the original lighting from now on. I just wanted to try out the lighting in my living room and it gave it that "Kamali's kitchen" look.
Poor attitude tweeter. If you want to settle for mediocracy then keep that attitude. I don't know if you have any aspirations to compete or not but for me i know i am better then everyone. You also know have to know how to be realistic with yourself at the same time though.
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don't apologize, dude. no one's hating on you, per se. we all just agree that the adonis principles are not going to help you as much as you hope, and there are far better options out there for you. look at adonis himself and realize that he's in his late 20s and has been working out for probably almost a decade. after 10 years of lifting do you think that's what you want to be left with? then consider how good of an idea his "principles" are for you.
You know there's something terribly wrong with the world and mankind when you see the Adonis principles being discussed seriously. Even Adonis himself knows that this is the equivalent of Simon Pritchett's novel in Atlas Shrugged ;D
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tweeter nobody can hate on you bro... This game is all about trial and error. But the principles are shitty for naturals. You totally have no security for your muscles. So in order to retain your mass, protein intake has to be sky high. Either that or..get ON.
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tweeter nobody can hate on you bro... This game is all about trial and error. But the principles are shitty for naturals. You totally have no security for your muscles. So in order to retain your mass, protein intake has to be sky high. Either that or..get ON.
Nonsense... he doesn't need protien shakes. That's silly. Why not whole meats?
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Nonsense... he doesn't need protien shakes. That's silly. Why not whole meats?
Your asking that question is like Ray Charles asking a bunch of airline passengers if they'd have any issues if he was their pilot apart from his being black ;D
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::) Epic attempt to weedle ones way out of yet another challenge.
i understand its gonna be hard for you to come to terms with the fact that "gay 4 free" is now inextricably linked with your name, but with time the pain will heal... unlike your prolapsed rectum
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You know there's something terribly wrong with the world and mankind when you see the Adonis principles being discussed seriously. Even Adonis himself knows that this is the equivalent of Simon Pritchett's novel in Atlas Shrugged ;D
haha, wow dude. i wasn't aware you were so well read.
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At first I didn't like tweeter but now I just feel bad for him.
Exactly, here is a really young kid who obviously doesn't know much and he has fallen for Apenis's bullshit. That is why we need to keep exposing the bullshit Apenis spreads on here. He can seriously fuck someone up with his ignorance.
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Thanks for your comments...that's all I'm asking for. I just want to know what people think; I won't get my feelings hurt. I do weight about 18 pounds less in the second pic just to let you guys know.
do you have any idea what 18 POUNDS OF FAT LOOKS LIKE!!!??? do you have any clue the amount of tissue that is?..and with each lb of fat containing 3,500 calories, that would have to mean that you were in a 1,500 calorie per DAY deficit to lose 18 lbs of fat in 6 weeks!!!!!! lmao!! sorry, not humanly possible.
a true 18 lb. fat loss would have taken you from looking like you did in that first picture...to shredded beyond comprehension. so , if you really have lost 18 lbs in 6 weeks, my condolences, because youve lost mostly lean mass and water.
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haha, wow dude. i wasn't aware you were so well read.
I am, with a lot of mostly classics and all of Ayn Rand, who is my intellectual mentor. But I'm not one of those people who says 'Mozart is bad' cause Ayn Rand said 'Mozart is bad'. 8)
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Your asking that question is like Ray Charles asking a bunch of airline passengers if they'd have any issues if he was their pilot apart from his being black ;D
hahahahaha Kiwi on fire in this thread ----- LAMO!~!! ;D
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priciples will not work unless the person has a really high bodyfat, the you would loseing more bodyfat no matter what, rathe rthen muscle but whne you gte to that last 3-5 lbs you want to lose of fat this sdiet will nevr wrk caus e it will keep eatingyou muscle adonis looked anorexic in his pics and you could tell his stomach was loose as shit
chris...do you type your posts with your toes?
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I am, with a lot of mostly classics and all of Ayn Rand, who is my intellectual mentor. But I'm not one of those people who says 'Mozart is bad' cause Ayn Rand said 'Mozart is bad'. 8)
i've actually never read any of rand's works. i may have to start, though. it's been a while since i've picked up anything of that sort, i've mostly been stuck in contemporary political and religious works.
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nukka, you look like a bizach.
no offense.
speak on this.
peace,
ADD
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i've actually never read any of rand's works. i may have to start, though. it's been a while since i've picked up anything of that sort, i've mostly been stuck in contemporary political and religious works.
Don't read Atlas Shrugged first. Read The Fountainhead first. Then Atlas Shrugged. Then if you've got time and interest, 'The Romantic Manifesto', 'We the living', 'Philosophy: who needs it', 'The Ayn Rand Letters' and 'The Early Ayn Rand', in that order 8)
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holy fuck...talk about a thread back firing on someone
1.5 months = roughly 6 weeks
if he had followed the standard bodybuilding protocol
cut/cycle carbs..45 min cardio in the am (ECA stack), weight train later..he would have looked 10 times better
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you should do the cardio i do nukka.
it's called "running from da white cops".
POW POW!!!
speak on this.
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Thanks for the comments guys; I appreciate your opinions. I never tried to say that I thought I had a great physique or that it was better than anyone else, so there is no need to compare me to anyone else. Sorry for the lighting change; I realize that it is decieving and I will go back to the original lighting from now on. I just wanted to try out the lighting in my living room and it gave it that "Kamali's kitchen" look.
we are not talking about your physique, we are talking about your progression
it is not impressive at all, you are the proof that the adonis principles don't work
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personally I'd give it more then six weeks before I'd post pics. Even TA waited close to 6 months to post pics.
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personally I'd give it more then six weeks before I'd post pics. Even TA waited close to 6 months to post pics.
getting shredded in 6 month is not impressive at all (from where tweeter started)
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personally I'd give it more then six weeks before I'd post pics. Even TA waited close to 6 months to post pics.
it doesn't matter
someone who dieted on a traditional diet for 6 weeks with cardio would have been much leaner and fuller than that
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Hardly noticeable. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=132378.0;attach=147423;image)
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he is wasting away to nothing, poor guy.
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Nonsense... he doesn't need protien shakes. That's silly. Why not whole meats?
i meant on gear bro
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Hardly noticeable. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=132378.0;attach=147423;image)
Wow! Adonis is right guys :o Look closely and you too will see it - same amount of fat, far less muscle ;D
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Hardly noticeable. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=132378.0;attach=147423;image)
first pic skinny fat second pic skinny chubby... o brother looks like a pile of shit
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Adonis, these results are not impressive, are saying that he could have gotten the same results on Jenny Craig, Richard simmons, Curves, atkins, taebo
he would have looked better if he followed the standard bodybuilding protocol.
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epic special appearance by Adonis
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The Beef thinks the Mods should put an end to this whole Adonis thing. A foolish punk taking up server space and trying to get his 15 " cyber minuets."
Here ( more ) then any other board, we have access to a cross section of the iron games leaders ( some inovators. ) Exchange thoughts, debate concepts and learn in a free exchange enviorment.
Enough fucken foolishness!
The Beef
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Hahahaha, that's some great lipstick "Tweeter" is wearing in the first pic.
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The Beef thinks the Mods should put an end to this whole Adonis thing. A foolish punk taking up server space and trying to get his 15 " cyber minuets."
Here ( more ) then any other board, we have access to a cross section of the iron games leaders ( some inovators. ) Exchange thoughts, debate concepts and learn in a free exchange enviorment.
Enough fucken foolishness!
The Beef
You are delusional beyond belief. If you want to join a forum of cocksuckers and ignorance go to MD. I have about had it with this censorship bullshit and people pushing for it. Fuck off.
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Wow! Adonis is right guys :o Look closely and you too will see it - same amount of fat, far less muscle ;D
notice how hard he's making his posture terrible in the first picture to make himself look as fat as possible (shoulders slumped, stomach pushed out), and in the second he's standing up straight, stomach sucked in hard, and flaring his lats out to enhance the illusion of progress. way to muscletech the comparison, adonis. ::)
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You are delusional beyond belief. If you want to join a forum of cocksuckers and ignorance go to MD. I have about had it with this censorship bullshit and people pushing for it. Fuck off.
I agree, people should be able to decide for themselves if TA is full of shit or not. Even though I mentioned this in another thread, I also said that it was the TA stalkers that would resort to petitioning Ron to ban. I hope that doesn't happen.
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notice how hard he's making his posture terrible in the first picture to make himself look as fat as possible (shoulders slumped, stomach pushed out), and in the second he's standing up straight, stomach sucked in hard, and flaring his lats out to enhance the illusion of progress. way to muscletech the comparison, adonis. ::)
yep i agree.
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notice how hard he's making his posture terrible in the first picture to make himself look as fat as possible (shoulders slumped, stomach pushed out), and in the second he's standing up straight, stomach sucked in hard, and flaring his lats out to enhance the illusion of progress. way to muscletech the comparison, adonis. ::)
You mean... you mean like how you typically carry yourself around? Hope this helps.
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You mean... you mean like how you typically carry yourself around? Hope this helps.
i'm saying this as a friend, you need to just hang up the boxing gloves and quit entering the fights. the shit you write is so asinine i can neither be insulted by it nor laugh at it, but rather i stare at it for a few moments just imagining how broken your brain must be in order to post the shit you do.
if i were to write a little chunk of javascript that does nothing but randomly piece together blips of adonis's ramblings and then post them under a separate account, i'm fairly certain i'd still get something more intellectually stimulating than the nonstop crap you sling around here.
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i could of had him ripped in 10 weeks using conventional dieting and some eca
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You mean... you mean like how you typically carry yourself around? Hope this helps.
Hahaha, we can't all be 150lb monsters like you ;)
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I think Tweeter looks better.
Clearly he has lost some fat; it is difficult to say if he has lost muscle.
1) Was your goal just to lose weight? or preferentially fat?
2) Is your strength going up/down/the same in the gym Tweeter? Is your gym routine the same before/after going on this diet?
3) I think I saw on another thread that you are down to 1800 cal/day? What were you before this?
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I think Tweeter looks better.
Clearly he has lost some fat; it is difficult to say if he has lost muscle.
How is it difficult?
His chest is smaller, his arms are smaller, his traps are non-existent.
Plus, as Magoo said, he is slouching badly in the first pic and standing upright with sucked in gut in the second.
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first pic skinny fat second pic skinny chubby... o brother looks like a pile of shit
na
tweetwr is not that bad,comon now,,
first of all he got the all american look which in usa is a plus,,especially in college,,
second,,if he actually concentrated on bodybuilding and ate right,,he would look real good
its not hard to see that the guy has muscle under the layer of fat and water,,he just need to bring it out by eating less junk and enough good calories,,
it dont mean you cant eat your burger once every couple days,,,just make sure your overall diet is cleaner
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You are delusional beyond belief. If you want to join a forum of cocksuckers and ignorance go to MD. I have about had it with this censorship bullshit and people pushing for it. Fuck off.
You would be another fucken punk to go.
The Beef
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tweetwr is not that bad,comon now,,
first of all he got the all american look which in usa is a plus,,especially in college,,
second,,if he actually concentrated on bodybuilding and ate right,,he would look real good
its not hard to see that the guy has muscle under the layer of fat and water,,he just need to bring it out by eating less junk and enough good calories,,
it dont mean you cant eat your burger once every couple days,,,just make sure your overall diet is cleaner
I disagree, he doesn't have this "All American Look", which is, as TA would put it, a myth. There is no "American" look. Secondly, He does have muscle (as everyone does) but not trained muscle. If he shed fat and water, he'd look skinny and athletic, that is all. He doesn't have the muscle size to look like anything else.
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for me the american look is that dude from american pie stifler,,and i think tweeter has the all american look but this is my opinion,,in any case it has nothing to do with this thread,,
he doesnt have enough mass for bodybuilding right now,,and i didnt say he can do the usa,,what i did say is that he can be 165lb and look cut and somewhat thick and dense if he aimed at it,,or as you call it athletic,,i do not consider tweeter to be skinny or to ever be able to be skinny ,, his genetics dont go skinny,,trust me,,90% of american guys cant and wont look skinny and the reason is too much to write here but its mainnly genetic heritage
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Yeah, okay I see what you're saying.
In all actuality, your 90% statistic is a little off, at least in the area that I grew up in. About 20% of kids were "overweight" and the rest were normal or skinny.
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i'm saying this as a friend, you need to just hang up the boxing gloves and quit entering the fights. the shit you write is so asinine i can neither be insulted by it nor laugh at it, but rather i stare at it for a few moments just imagining how broken your brain must be in order to post the shit you do.
if i were to write a little chunk of javascript that does nothing but randomly piece together blips of adonis's ramblings and then post them under a separate account, i'm fairly certain i'd still get something more intellectually stimulating than the nonstop crap you sling around here.
MeLtdOWN!!11!!
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You would be another fucken punk to go.
The Beef
Brutal Meltdown
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Thanks man. I don't know how many of you guys have looked at my thread in the nutrition section, but I do not just eat junk food all day long. Here is an example of a typical day:
3/8/07:
Spicy tuna sushi 450
Chips 240 JUNK fat and simple starch
Ice cream 210 JUNK fat and sugar
Pastrami sandwich 300
Bagel chips 195 JUNK simple starch
Hummus 100 JUNK all fat little protein
Yogurt 80 JUNK lots of sugar to little protein ratio
Blowpop 50 JUNK
Apple 110
Total Calories = 1,735
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MeLtdOWN!!11!!
He is correct, though.
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He is correct, though.
wrong
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wrong
Haha, looking the way you do from your pics you can talk shit to about 90% of the board.
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just what I was going to say !
Tweeter stop this non-sense if you don't want to end up a skinny-fat 150 pounder
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Haha, looking the way you do from your pics you can talk shit to about 90% of the board.
Hahahah and thats what makes it pathetic and even more funnier at the same time ahahahahah
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just what I was going to say !
Tweeter stop this non-sense if you don't want to end up a skinny-fat 150 pounder
Do you realize that he has done the "Bodybuilder Diet" MANY times before. His results were alot slower and he was a little smaller than now?
Perhpas he can enlighten you on this.
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we'll see how he looks at the end ;)
:D
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Do you realize that he has done the "Bodybuilder Diet" MANY times before. His results were alot slower and he was a little smaller than now?
Perhpas he can enlighten you on this.
Perhaps he should just stop with all the "diets" and focus on lifting weights and building a base before doing anything else?
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I've been lifting consistently since 8th grade.
and in all that time you haven't found a nutrition plan that works for you?
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i could of had him ripped in 10 weeks using conventional dieting and some eca
I could have done it in 9 weeks
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I've been lifting consistently since 8th grade.
Then there are two things I would say to you.
1. You need to continue lifting progessively. This means a basic exercise routing of one bodypart/week, with 4 sets of 10-12 every excercise, each set moving up in weight.
2. You may just lack the structure/genetics to look like anything special. I've been lifting for 2 years seriously clean; the last time I looked like you was in high school.
Not flaming, just being honest.
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Do you realize that he has done the "Bodybuilder Diet" MANY times before. His results were alot slower and he was a little smaller than now?
Perhpas he can enlighten you on this.
i do not believe it,and if he did judging by his before and current progress he did not a)follow a full 4-6 meal's of protein with at least 30 to 40 gram's serving.B) understand carb's from simple to starchy and grain's and how to measure and utilize them to his benefit.c)training was not hard enough or consistent and balanced to get full benefit of a true so called bbing diet.d)he has a i look big in clothes but when i take off shirt all change's.he can pull it off but not on anything remote to those absurd principle's.on the long haul his genetic's will dictate if this is right for him.good luck DARTH ADONIS.
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Wow! Adonis is right guys :o Look closely and you too will see it - same amount of fat, far less muscle ;D
lol
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Hardly noticeable. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=132378.0;attach=147423;image)
Dear Adonis,
Thanks for proving my point!
Sincerely,
Intenseone
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intenseone, sorry i don't wanna read 7 pages..............
your point was? are you talking about the kid lost some muscles too?
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I've been lifting consistently since 8th grade.
jeezus, are you serious? And that's all you have to show for it? i'm sorry dude, but i honestly, 100%, no joking would have guessed that you don't lift at all and you got the "adonis principles" to help you to lose fat before you STARTED lifting. :-\
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intenseone, sorry i don't wanna read 7 pages..............
your point was? are you talking about the kid lost some muscles too?
Yes, and still looks basically the same.
Sorry dude, but I'm enjoying this waay too much, everytime Adonis starts a thread about training or nutrition, it's pretty much the biggest self-owning in the history of message boards!
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owned away my friend, owned away ;D
do you he's got a formula now for heartreat vs calories ;D
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I've been lifting consistently since 8th grade.
Does that mean you're in the 9th grade now?
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owned away my friend, owned away ;D
do you he's got a formula now for heartreat vs calories ;D
Yes, so I've heard!
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Does that mean you're in the 9th grade now?
Hahaha, "Tweeter" is about as delusional as it gets.
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Hahaha, "Tweeter" is about as delusional as it gets.
You gotta feel for poor Tweeter.
What type of dire state does your life have to be in to enlist Adonis as your mentor?
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What type of dire state does your life have to be in to enlist Adonis as your mentor?
When you know they're casting for extras in a few weeks for a new movie about prisoners living in concentration camps for the retarded?
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When you know they're casting for extras in a few weeks for a new movie about prisoners living in concentration camps for the retarded?
Hahaha, I bet in "6 months time" Tweeter will live up to his name.
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I feel that my progress is on par with most naturals.
Hahaha oh man
Delusional as the day is long
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What do you think my biggest weaknesses are and what is your advice to correct those weaknesses. Just curious, as I value everyone's opinion and would like to gain as broad a perspective as possible.
You look better than the average man
But a warning: do NOT employ the same egotistical and 'prophetic' nature that adonis seems to have adapted, he's a turd, and it gets you nowhere.
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What do you think my biggest weaknesses are and what is your advice to correct those weaknesses. Just curious, as I value everyone's opinion and would like to gain as broad a perspective as possible.
I don't really give advice, since I've only been seriously training for 2 years and admittedly know very little aside from what works for me. I certainly don't agree with caloric defecit diets for people like you who are 20% bodyfat and less. Too much muscle is lost in my opinion. Gradually losing weight a better way would be to do just 20 minutes of interval running a day, eating clean (meaning no soda and candy), and a good weight training program. That's all.
TA's caloric defecit diet which he named after his internet handle is more suited for obese people, in my opinion.
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"Better than average" is atleast a starting point. I just want to make the most of what I have been given.
oh no way, much better really..
trust me you look better than the typical ecto/endomorph
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Hahahahahaha did it occur to you that some of us won't engage in Gay 4 free even if you were asking under the guise of a challenge? I refuse to encourage your disgusting method of seeking sexual gratification ;D
Nicely played sir, nicely played. 8)
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You do look better tweeter. At least the gut and love handles shrank but you have got to admit you are weaker than ever. No way in hell you have killer intensity with the iron and progressing every 2 weeks. I did a low calorie stint for 6-8 months and was zapped. People thought I had cancer, on meth..whatever...lol. I was maxing out a whopping 185 on bench when I was like what the fuck. So I started eating every 3 hours with a total of 2500-3000 calories a day. Clean foods. ECA 2x day. Morning Cardio and night lifting. Within 6 weeks I was less bodyfat, weighed more and was up to 245 on bench. That was like a year ago. Then I did a cycle so any progress after that cannot pertain to you since you are natural. Stay away from the dangerous low calorie stuff dude. You will never gain size and strength. You will always look like a cut skinny highschool kid. But if that's what you want that's cool. Just telling you straight up without hating on ya that I have been there and done that. I thought that was the only way to shed fat. You will never get thick. Unless you like the Clarence Bass look. I say be glad you lost some fat...now start doing it correctly.
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post up your routine what you typically do in the gym in a week, exercises not to worried about the poundage just the exercises. your pic makes you look like someone who steps into a gym very infrequently and when they do they dont do compound exercises just lots of isolation to feel a pump which is nothing more than blood flow.
the diet you put up was truely horrible and if they are indeed the adonis principles then massive weight loss and a heart attack at a young age is all i d expect from that.
though i dont know enough about what he advocates to know if you are following what he says or doing your own variation on it.
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I feel that my progress is on par with most naturals.
A traditional diet recommendation would be (energy percentage (carbs/fats/proteins)): 50/30/20 or 55/30/15.
But more importantly, there are recommendations for what to eat.
I recommend you to buy Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan, a no-nonsense book.
http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Nutrition-Handbook-Medicine-Science/dp/0632058145/ref=sr_1_2/103-8581050-6687040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174225791&sr=1-2
-Hedge
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LET'S CUT THIS GUY SOME SLACK... he does look a whole lot better... some of the nasty body fat and love handles have disappeared. However, that could have happened on pretty much any calorie/energy deficient diet.
Muscle gains??? The guy is a NATURAL. What do you expect?? He won't gain nothing noticable in a 6 week period especially while losing weight/fat. Put him on some Winstrol and Test Prop and he will head for a great physique in 3 months from now if diet is clean and training good. gh15 said it right.
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A traditional diet recommendation would be (energy percentage (carbs/fats/proteins)): 50/30/20 or 55/30/15.
But more importantly, there are recommendations for what to eat.
I recommend you to buy Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan, a no-nonsense book.
http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Nutrition-Handbook-Medicine-Science/dp/0632058145/ref=sr_1_2/103-8581050-6687040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174225791&sr=1-2
-Hedge
hahahah what a joke
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hahahah what a joke
What makes you think that?
-Hedge
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What makes you think that?
-Hedge
It is all a joke. Why can't you understand that a calorie is a calorie. That is an equate to saying that an electric stove can't boil water as well as a gas stove. Total nonsense.
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You do look better tweeter. At least the gut and love handles shrank but you have got to admit you are weaker than ever. No way in hell you have killer intensity with the iron and progressing every 2 weeks. I did a low calorie stint for 6-8 months and was zapped. People thought I had cancer, on meth..whatever...lol. I was maxing out a whopping 185 on bench when I was like what the fuck. So I started eating every 3 hours with a total of 2500-3000 calories a day. Clean foods. ECA 2x day. Morning Cardio and night lifting. Within 6 weeks I was less bodyfat, weighed more and was up to 245 on bench. That was like a year ago. Then I did a cycle so any progress after that cannot pertain to you since you are natural. Stay away from the dangerous low calorie stuff dude. You will never gain size and strength. You will always look like a cut skinny highschool kid. But if that's what you want that's cool. Just telling you straight up without hating on ya that I have been there and done that. I thought that was the only way to shed fat. You will never get thick. Unless you like the Clarence Bass look. I say be glad you lost some fat...now start doing it correctly.
nicely said
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A calorie may be a calorie but I'd rather eat "clean" food since eating that crap will make you feel like crap. Plus eating clean food you can actually eat more. Junk food you get very little compared to clean food calorie wise.
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tweeter, are you going to enter the mr.getbig?
by the time that rolls around you should "walking around at 3-4% bf" and since you won't be losing any muscle you can own the world.
can we have you commit to it now?
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It is all a joke. Why can't you understand that a calorie is a calorie. That is an equate to saying that an electric stove can't boil water as well as a gas stove. Total nonsense.
if a calorie is a calorie then why stay away from increased protein? trade one for the other. you are following an assholes recommendations blindly.
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if a calorie is a calorie then why stay away from increased protein? trade one for the other. you are following an assholes recommendations blindly.
Why stay away from high protien. The body only needs a gram per pound at MAX and that may ever be too much. I never said avoid protien. Now you are just making a silly babbling fool out of yourself and putting words in my mouth. Piss off.
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Oh brother, "A calorie is a calorie"
So if someone eats 1000 calories of plain white sugar and another guy eats 1000 calories of good food, what happens then? hahahaha
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Why stay away from high protien. The body only needs a gram per pound at MAX and that may ever be too much. I never said avoid protien. Now you are just making a silly babbling fool out of yourself and putting words in my mouth. Piss off.
Stupid people = the easiest subjects for brainwashing.
:-*
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Oh brother, "A calorie is a calorie"
So if someone eats 1000 calories of plain white sugar and another guy eats 1000 calories of good food, what happens then? hahahaha
I think we both know the answer to that one, but did you know that if you took one guy (Adonis) who normally sucked 1000 cocks a day and made him suck 1000 black cocks only a day instead, you'd end up with Buttsuck :o
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Stupid people = the easiest subjects for brainwashing.
:-*
Hahahahahahaha this is an ownage on a metaphysical level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Debussey has a new found respect in me from now on :)
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I think we both know the answer to that one, but did you know that if you took one guy (Adonis) who normally sucked 1000 cocks a day and made him suck 1000 black cocks only a day instead, you'd end up with Buttsuck :o
Hahaha, are you saying that all Adonis needs is a "push" in the right direction?
DEREK ANTHONY TO THE RESCUE!
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It is all a joke. Why can't you understand that a calorie is a calorie. That is an equate to saying that an electric stove can't boil water as well as a gas stove. Total nonsense.
saying a calorie is a calorie is sort of like saying exercise is exercise, so it doesn't matter if you're doing pushups and jumping rope or lifting heavy weights, because either way you'll grow the same way. protein != carbs != fat.
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Oh brother, "A calorie is a calorie"
So if someone eats 1000 calories of plain white sugar and another guy eats 1000 calories of good food, what happens then? hahahaha
They will both lose weight.... Although one might be lacking his neccesary nutrients. But you could still loose weight on a diet of pure sugar.
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saying a calorie is a calorie is sort of like saying exercise is exercise, so it doesn't matter if you're doing pushups and jumping rope or lifting heavy weights, because either way you'll grow the same way. protein != carbs != fat.
Technically thats true. Doing flys is the same thing as doing bench. The pecs are being stimulated and will still grow...
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Why stay away from high protien. The body only needs a gram per pound at MAX and that may ever be too much. I never said avoid protien. Now you are just making a silly babbling fool out of yourself and putting words in my mouth. Piss off.
What do you base this statement on?
-Hedge
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They will both lose weight.... Although one might be lacking his neccesary nutrients. But you could still loose weight on a diet of pure sugar.
Oh man, come on. It's not all about losing weight, it's about nutrient deficiency. Eating less of good food is way better than just eating crap. That's my point.
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What do you base this statement on?
-Hedge
What do you base you knowledge on of it needing 1.5-2 grams on? Don't give me that silly themorgenic principle either. There are studies that show you only need about 30-40 grams of protien or so. If a man weights 170 then he has about 30-50 lbs of muscle on him. That would be 1 gram per pounds of muscle. Not one grams for bone, blood, organs, etc.....
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Oh man, come on. It's not all about losing weight, it's about nutrient deficiency. Eating less of good food is way better than just eating crap. That's my point.
Yea.... you may be malnourished, but you will still lose weight. Thats the point. Eating 1000 units of energy is the same as a 1000 units of energy. Does a gas stove and an electric stove both not heat the same pot?
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Tweeter lost a very good amount of fat for 6 weeks. Stomach looks 4 inches smaller now.
Everyone is denying it just because they don't like Adonis.
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It is all a joke. Why can't you understand that a calorie is a calorie. That is an equate to saying that an electric stove can't boil water as well as a gas stove. Total nonsense.
Oh no, not more of this crap.
An empty is ..............an empty calorie.
Buttsucker says eat McDonalds all day.......and florish. ::)
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I feel that my progress is on par with most naturals.
no offense, dude, but if you're 22 then you've been lifting for 8 years. in 8 years of lifting you have accomplished very, very little. i think your problem isn't that you didn't have the adonis principles, it's just that you didn't have a fucking clue what you were doing. i hate posting pictures of myself, but for reference here's what i looked like with roughly one year of lifting under my belt.
(http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/zachdd.jpg)
i was 18 there (hence the epic school art projects on the wall of my parents' house :-X) and had started lifting near the end of my junior year in high school, so i'd say i had maybe a year of bodybuilding. after 8 years, you should be light years beyond me, but you're not.
oh and for the record, when i looked like that i ate a high protein and low carb diet, mostly lean meats and oats. that type of thing. chances are i'll start doing it again to drop back down.
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Tweeter lost a very good amount of fat for 6 weeks. Stomach looks 4 inches smaller now.
Everyone is denying it just because they don't like Adonis.
Indeed, and not an ounce of muscle lost might i add.
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They will both lose weight.... Although one might be lacking his neccesary nutrients. But you could still loose weight on a diet of pure sugar.
if you are lacking the needed nutrients in the calories then a calorie is not a caloire, piss off hick.
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no offense, dude, but if you're 22 then you've been lifting for 8 years. in 8 years of lifting you have accomplished very, very little. i think your problem isn't that you didn't have the adonis principles, it's just that you didn't have a fucking clue what you were doing. i hate posting pictures of myself, but for reference here's what i looked like with roughly one year of lifting under my belt.
(http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/zachdd.jpg)
i was 18 there (hence the epic school art projects on the wall of my parents' house :-X) and had started lifting near the end of my junior year in high school, so i'd say i had maybe a year of bodybuilding. after 8 years, you should be light years beyond me, but you're not.
oh and for the record, when i looked like that i ate a high protein and low carb diet, mostly lean meats and oats. that type of thing. chances are i'll start doing it again to drop back down.
ROFL!!!! Yeah... and im ugly dipshit ahahahahha. I own you in every form and fashion. Don't ever say a bad thing about me again.
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Hahaha, are you saying that all Adonis needs is a "push" in the right direction?
DEREK ANTHONY TO THE RESCUE!
I'm just saying that Adonis and Buttsuck are the kind of 'guys' who walk into the local gay bar and loudly shout, "All right, which one of you big studs are going to push our stools in?" and giggle like schoolgirls. Hahahahahahaha gayer than Buttsuck's worn out knees.
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Technically thats true. Doing flys is the same thing as doing bench. The pecs are being stimulated and will still grow...
a few things.
1) if what you were saying was true, doing a set of 50 with 25 pounders on flys would be the same as doing a set of 6 with 275 on the bench, because muscle stimulation is the same no matter what.
2) they are not at all stimulated to the same degree. ekg tests have shown that flys amount to aroudn 60% of the pectoral fibers being activated.
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if you are lacking the needed nutrients in the calories then a calorie is not a caloire, piss off hick.
ROFL YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND CANNOT SEE SIMPLE LOGIC!!!! Please leave. Get a job as a janitor as you are too stupid and not capable of furthering your education.
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Indeed, and not an ounce of muscle lost might i add.
sure
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Are you telling me that this guy lost fat just by not eating as many calories as he normally did?
Why this is the biggest breakthrough in the history of dieting!
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a few things.
1) if what you were saying was true, doing a set of 50 with 25 pounders on flys would be the same as doing a set of 6 with 275 on the bench, because muscle stimulation is the same no matter what.
2) they are not at all stimulated to the same degree. ekg tests have shown that flys amount to aroudn 60% of the pectoral fibers being activated.
No because the weight is different. Heavy bench will use more fibers the 25 pound flys. Now you are just being silly.
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sure
shut up you fat twunt. ;)
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Are you telling me that this guy lost fat just by not eating as many calories as he normally did?
Why this is the biggest breakthrough in the history of dieting!
Hey man well im glad you see it. These other fucking morons dont.
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shut up you fat twunt. ;)
Hahahah be careful not to offend his diet. People get very offended when you mock their miserable existance of eating boiled chicken and lettuce WITH NO SALT might i add.
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ok try it this way, hick. maybe it seems you can lose weight(that includes muscle) but can you put it on? im talking quality muscle and to do that you need to jack up the protein. and you still talk like adonis.
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No because the weight is different. Heavy bench will use more fibers the 25 pound flys. Now you are just being silly.
no, you're being obtuse. the "calorie is a calorie" theory absolutely equates to the exercise equivalent that "exercise is exercise" and i guaran-damn-tee you that no matter what you do flys are not going to activate the muscle tissue of something like incline dumbbell bench. period.
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saying a calorie is a calorie is sort of like saying exercise is exercise, so it doesn't matter if you're doing pushups and jumping rope or lifting heavy weights, because either way you'll grow the same way. protein != carbs != fat.
Magoo, Buttsucker is quite delusional. To say that an empty calorie (soda) is the same as a calorie from fruit, just shows his LACK of quantifiable knowledge.
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Hahahah be careful not to offend his diet. People get very offended when you mock their miserable existance of eating boiled chicken and lettuce WITH NO SALT might i add.
hahaha everyone denying Tweeter's progress in this thread is 30% body fat or more.
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Yea.... you may be malnourished, but you will still lose weight. Thats the point. Eating 1000 units of energy is the same as a 1000 units of energy. Does a gas stove and an electric stove both not heat the same pot?
Cooking on a gas stove is more precise than a electric stove, it is much easier to control the heat :P
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no, you're being obtuse. the "calorie is a calorie" theory absolutely equates to the exercise equivalent that "exercise is exercise" and i guaran-damn-tee you that no matter what you do flys are not going to activate the muscle tissue of something like incline dumbbell bench. period.
No.... the muscle is stimulated... it grows. The process is rather simple. Look how big Ronnie is and look how bad his form is. It doesn't matter. It is all a joke. As long as you are consistant it grows.
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Hahahah be careful not to offend his diet. People get very offended when you mock their miserable existance of eating boiled chicken and lettuce WITH NO SALT might i add.
such a brainwashed dork you are. i dont eat boiled chicken, at all, ever. lots of fish and red meat. im type o blood and those types are made for processing red meat more efficiently than others. hi baast
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the "adonis principles" fall apart for one big reason as well. if a calorie were a calorie, that would mean it's IMPOSSIBLE to lose muscle while dieting. calories are calories and no matter what you lose pure fat. if the "principles" were a regulated diet outline then you could understand how he can claim that his weight loss plan is different.
but according to him, as long as you're below maintenance it doesn't matter, and somehow you only lose fat. so the question becomes, why do people get weaker and lose muscle tissue when they diet? according to the "principles" it physically can't happen.
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such a brainwashed dork you are. i dont eat boiled chicken, at all, ever. lots of fish and red meat. im type o blood and those types are made for processing red meat more efficiently than others. hi baast
haha we all want to look like you too ::)
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hahaha everyone denying Tweeter's progress in this thread is 30% body fat or more.
care to explain the progress to us?
he dieted for 6 weeks and lost some weight...where is the progress?
jenny craig, curves, taebo, richard simmons... could have gotten him those exactly results
our contention is that if he had followed the standard bodybuilding protocol that he would look better
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You fuckign MORONS.
Get it through your head.
A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE. A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT.
Get the RDA. Thats it.
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but according to him, as long as you're below maintenance it doesn't matter, and somehow you only lose fat. so the question becomes, why do people get weaker and lose muscle tissue when they diet? according to the "principles" it physically can't happen.
people get weaker because they have low glycogen levels in a deficit.
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care to explain the progress to us?
he dieted for 6 weeks and lost some weight...where is the progress?
jenny craig, curves, taebo, richard simmons... could have gotten him those exactly results
our contention is that if he had followed the standard bodybuilding protocol that he would look better
He has done that 4 other times. He contends he has had THE BEST results with my methods so far.
Don`t put words into his mouth moron.
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No.... the muscle is stimulated... it grows. The process is rather simple. Look how big Ronnie is and look how bad his form is. It doesn't matter. It is all a joke. As long as you are consistant it grows.
okay it's becoming painfully obvious you're just a troll. yes, you're right. how could i not realize it. i figured ronnie was big because his training focuses on heavy lifts like bench and squats, because he eats a VERY regulated diet (the chad mentioned in 2003 he managed to stick to "clean foods" roughly 80% of the time), and of course the pharmacological assistance.
i somehow didn't realize that his heavy compound lifting, strict diet, drugs, and genetics were not the reason he grew, but rather just because the human body will grow no matter what you do.
oh wait, no, that's retarded. and it explains why you're the size of a poverty-stricken child.
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Hahahah be careful not to offend his diet. People get very offended when you mock their miserable existance of eating boiled chicken and lettuce WITH NO SALT might i add.
Why do you think a strict diet is based on boiled chicken and lettuce?
I suggest that you get Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan.
If you ever do, you'll learn how to eat for performance, with a 50/30/20 Carb/Fat/Prot ratio.
-Hedge
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hi bast, love ya
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people get weaker because they have low glycogen levels in a deficit.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH THATS WHY WE HAVE CARB UP DAYS!!!! ROFL!!! CARB UP DAYS!!!!! "OMG I WOULD HAVE WON THE SHOW BUT I DIDN'T CARB UP ENOUGH!!!!!" Fucking bloody joke you guys are ahahahah. I laugh at you all
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okay it's becoming painfully obvious you're just a troll. yes, you're right. how could i not realize it. i figured ronnie was big because his training focuses on heavy lifts like bench and squats, because he eats a VERY regulated diet (the chad mentioned in 2003 he managed to stick to "clean foods" roughly 80% of the time), and of course the pharmacological assistance.
i somehow didn't realize that his heavy compound lifting, strict diet, drugs, and genetics were not the reason he grew, but rather just because the human body will grow no matter what you do.
oh wait, no, that's retarded. and it explains why you're the size of a poverty-stricken child.
Look Gay Fagoo,
Layne Norton alredy told you there is no such thing as a clean food or a dirty food, a good or a bad food.
Go suck a cock.
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care to explain the progress to us?
he dieted for 6 weeks and lost some weight...where is the progress?
losing weight (fat) isn't progress? ???
haha ok, steeledildo.
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Why do you think a strict diet is based on boiled chicken and lettuce?
I suggest that you get Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan.
If you ever do, you'll learn how to eat for performance, with a 50/30/20 Carb/Fat/Prot ratio.
-Hedge
It is all the same....
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people get weaker because they have low glycogen levels in a deficit.
adonis claims glycogen is too minor of a factor to make a difference in anything.
Only 1 PERCENT of muscle is made up of glycogen.
So therefore if your Glycogen levels are Full, around 2000 calories THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TO PRODUCE ANY DIFFERENCE!
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the "adonis principles" fall apart for one big reason as well. if a calorie were a calorie, that would mean it's IMPOSSIBLE to lose muscle while dieting. calories are calories and no matter what you lose pure fat. if the "principles" were a regulated diet outline then you could understand how he can claim that his weight loss plan is different.
but according to him, as long as you're below maintenance it doesn't matter, and somehow you only lose fat. so the question becomes, why do people get weaker and lose muscle tissue when they diet? according to the "principles" it physically can't happen.
Adonis lives for the calorie is a calorie BS.
Quality calories must always be taken into account........NOT McDONALDS.
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Why do you think a strict diet is based on boiled chicken and lettuce?
I suggest that you get Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan.
If you ever do, you'll learn how to eat for performance, with a 50/30/20 Carb/Fat/Prot ratio.
-Hedge
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adonis claims glycogen is too minor of a factor to make a difference in anything.
Appearance wise you dumb gay.
Not PERFORMANCE wise you carb hating queer.
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You fuckign MORONS.
Get it through your head.
A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE. A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT.
Get the RDA. Thats it.
If a calorie is a calorie...
Why then, do you recommend milk and fruit?
The point is,
FRUIT AND MILK will DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat specifically in the abdominal region.
I just love how people try to avoid it for no reason whatsoever.
Another victory for modern science and another loss for idiotic gym science.
-Hedge
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You fuckign MORONS.
Get it through your head.
A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE. A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT.
Get the RDA. Thats it.
The RDA has been OUTDATED for 30 years!!
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adonis claims glycogen is too minor of a factor to make a difference in anything.
Taht would be visual appearance. He magoo. Let me disspell the carb up myth right now. What did arnold eat before prejudging of pumping iron? EGGS!!!! EGGS AND TOAST!!!! ROFL!!!! Delusional fucks.
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Taht would be visual appearance. He magoo. Let me disspell the carb up myth right now. What did arnold eat before prejudging of pumping iron? EGGS!!!! EGGS AND TOAST!!!! ROFL!!!! Delusional fucks.
it really doesnt matter the day of the show. carb loading is done the 48 hours before.
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Look Gay Fagoo,
Layne Norton alredy told you there is no such thing as a clean food or a dirty food, a good or a bad food.
Go suck a cock.
dear adam,
i am sorry that your accounts have all been banned, including that of your "girlfriend" jizzabelle, but regardless i would suggest you re-read the thread and notice how many times it is emphasized by layne and bodyfx2 both that while calories ultimately decide if you lose or gain weight, macronutrient ratios are incredibly important in determining what kind of weight is lost or gained (i.e. fat vs muscle).
a food is thus "bad" if it offers a ratio that is antithetical to what you're trying to achieve. if i'm doing a cyclical keto diet, bacon is good but a banana is bad. if i'm doing low fat, a banana is good but bacon is bad. i apologize that you are too retarded to understand this simple concept.
yours,
gay fagoo
ps what the fuck is a "fagoo"?
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CONCLUSION
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ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION
THERMODYNAMICS
METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
IS A CALORIE A...
OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR...
CONCLUSION
REFERENCES
We conclude that a calorie is a calorie. From a purely thermodynamic point of view, this is clear because the human body or, indeed, any living organism cannot create or destroy energy but can only convert energy from one form to another. In comparing energy balance between dietary treatments, however, it must be remembered that the units of dietary energy are metabolizable energy and not gross energy. This is perhaps unfortunate because metabolizable energy is much more difficult to determine than is gross energy, because the Atwater factors used in calculating metabolizable energy are not exact. As such, our food tables are not perfect, and small errors are associated with their use.
In addition, we concede that the substitution of one macronutrient for another has been shown in some studies to have a statistically significant effect on the expenditure half of the energy balance equation. This has been observed most often for high-protein diets. Evidence indicates, however, that the difference in energy expenditure is small and can potentially account for less than one-third of the differences in weight loss that have been reported between high-protein or low-carbohydrate diets and high-carbohydrate or low-fat diets. As such, a calorie is a calorie. Further research is needed to identify the mechanisms that result in greater weight loss with one diet than with another.
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
ACB and DAS shared the tasks of drafting and revising the manuscript.
REFERENCES
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METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
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hahaha everyone denying Tweeter's progress in this thread is 30% body fat or more.
Hahaha oh brother, sure he's lost some fat. If that was his goal, more power to him. But if his goal was to loose fat and GAIN muscle, hahaha he totally missed it.
BTW, I'm 16% ;)
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losing weight (fat) isn't progress? ???
haha ok, steeledildo.
you only quoted 1/2 of my statement
no need for name calling
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Me after a year and a half of working out and eating what i want. Then you after a year and a half eating healthy and being dedicated..... Who would you rather look like?
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Oh man, here comes TA with the same tired old articles that he has saved on his computer for just this occasion. Hahaha
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Call me crazy but, I think I'll stay away from the Adonis Principles since the all the guys that subscribe to that method look like shit.
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dear adam,
i am sorry that your accounts have all been banned, including that of your "girlfriend" jizzabelle, but regardless i would suggest you re-read the thread and notice how many times it is emphasized by layne and bodyfx2 both that while calories ultimately decide if you lose or gain weight, macronutrient ratios are incredibly important in determining what kind of weight is lost or gained (i.e. fat vs muscle).
a food is thus "bad" if it offers a ratio that is antithetical to what you're trying to achieve. if i'm doing a cyclical keto diet, bacon is good but a banana is bad. if i'm doing low fat, a banana is good but bacon is bad. i apologize that you are too retarded to understand this simple concept.
yours,
gay fagoo
ps what the fuck is a "fagoo"?
You are a fagoo, you blind ignorant fuck.
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What is the point of dieting down when there is no muscle to begin with? :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135134.0;attach=151008;image)
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Hahaha oh brother, sure he's lost some fat. If that was his goal, more power to him. But if his goal was to loose fat and GAIN muscle, hahaha he totally missed it.
BTW, I'm 16% ;)
according to adonis you are obese
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You are a fagoo, you blind ignorant fuck.
Meltdown
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Mr. Magoo is gayer than Little Richards underoos. hahhahah
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ps what the fuck is a "fagoo"?
White creamy faggy spaghetti sauce?
"Fagoo" (Ragu)
It sounded funnier in my head I guess.
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hahhahah
Fagoo is all about the creamy sauce.
Its what he eats on his boyfriends MeatBalls.
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according to adonis you are obese
Hahaha yeah I know right? Jesus, I should get myself checked into a hospital! Hahaha, oh man, if I ever say I want to look like TA someone please delete my account.
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CONCLUSION
TOP
ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION
THERMODYNAMICS
METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
IS A CALORIE A...
OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR...
CONCLUSION
REFERENCES
We conclude that a calorie is a calorie. From a purely thermodynamic point of view, this is clear because the human body or, indeed, any living organism cannot create or destroy energy but can only convert energy from one form to another. In comparing energy balance between dietary treatments, however, it must be remembered that the units of dietary energy are metabolizable energy and not gross energy. This is perhaps unfortunate because metabolizable energy is much more difficult to determine than is gross energy, because the Atwater factors used in calculating metabolizable energy are not exact. As such, our food tables are not perfect, and small errors are associated with their use.
In addition, we concede that the substitution of one macronutrient for another has been shown in some studies to have a statistically significant effect on the expenditure half of the energy balance equation. This has been observed most often for high-protein diets. Evidence indicates, however, that the difference in energy expenditure is small and can potentially account for less than one-third of the differences in weight loss that have been reported between high-protein or low-carbohydrate diets and high-carbohydrate or low-fat diets. As such, a calorie is a calorie. Further research is needed to identify the mechanisms that result in greater weight loss with one diet than with another.
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
ACB and DAS shared the tasks of drafting and revising the manuscript.
REFERENCES
TOP
ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION
THERMODYNAMICS
METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
IS A CALORIE A...
OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR...
CONCLUSION
REFERENCES
Atkins RC. Dr. Atkins’ new diet revolution. New York: Avon Books, 1998.
Figueroa-Colon R, von Almen TK, Franklin FA, Schuftan C, Suskind RM. Comparison of two hypocaloric diets in obese children. Am J Dis Child 1993;147:160–6.[Abstract]
Stallings VA, Archibald EH, Pencharz PB, Harrison JE, Bell LE. One-year follow-up of weight, total body potassium, and total body nitrogen in obese adolescents treated with the protein-sparing modified fast. Am J Clin Nutr 1988;48:91–4.[Abstract]
Wadden TA, Stunkard AJ, Day SC, Gould RA, Rubin CJ. Less food, less hunger: reports of appetite and symptoms in a controlled study of a protein-sparing modified fast. Int J Obes 1987;11:239–49.[Medline]
Palgi A, Read JL, Greenberg I, Hoefer MA, Bistrian BR, Blackburn GL. Multidisciplinary treatment of obesity with a protein-sparing modified fast: results in 668 outpatients. Am J Public Health 1985;75:1190–4.[Abstract]
Yang SP, Martin LJ, Schneider G. Weight reduction utilizing a protein-sparing modified fast. J Am Diet Assoc 1980;76:343–6.[Medline]
Alford BB, Blankenship AC, Hagen RD. The effects of variations in carbohydrate, protein, and fat content of the diet upon weight loss, blood values, and nutrient intake of adult obese women. J Am Diet Assoc 1990;90:534–40.[Medline]
Larosa JC, Fry AG, Muesing R, Rosing DR. Effects of high-protein, low-carbohydrate dieting on plasma lipoproteins and body weight. J Am Diet Assoc 1980;77:264–70.[Medline]
Hendler R, Bonde AA III. Very-low-calorie diets with high and low protein content: impact on triiodothyronine, energy expenditure, and nitrogen balance. Am J Clin Nutr 1988;48:1239–47.[Abstract]
Foster GD, Wyatt HR, Hill JO, et al. A randomized trial of a low-carbohydrate diet for obesity. N Engl J Med 2003;348:2082–90.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Skov AR, Toubro S, Ronn B, Holm L, Astrup A. Randomized trial on protein vs carbohydrate in ad libitum fat reduced diet for the treatment of obesity. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1999;23:528–36.[Medline]
Brehm BJ, Seeley RJ, Daniels SR, D’Alessio DA. A randomized trial comparing a very low carbohydrate diet and a calorie-restricted low fat diet on body weight and cardiovascular risk factors in healthy women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2003;88:1617–23.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Samaha FF, Iqbal N, Seshadri P, et al. A low-carbohydrate as compared with a low-fat diet in severe obesity. N Engl J Med 2003;348:2074–81.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Baba NH, Sawaya S, Torbay N, Habbal Z, Azar S, Hashim SA. High protein vs high carbohydrate hypoenergetic diet for the treatment of obese hyperinsulinemic subjects. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1999;23:1202–6.[Medline]
Layman DK, Boileau RA, Erickson DJ, et al. A reduced ratio of dietary carbohydrate to protein improves body composition and blood lipid profiles during weight loss in adult women. J Nutr 2003;133:411–7.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Luscombe ND, Clifton PM, Noakes M, Farnsworth E, Wittert G. Effect of a high-protein, energy-restricted diet on weight loss and energy expenditure after weight stabilization in hyperinsulinemic subjects. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2003;27:582–90.[Medline]
Piatti PM, Monti F, Fermo I, et al. Hypocaloric high-protein diet improves glucose oxidation and spares lean body mass: comparison to hypocaloric high-carbohydrate diet. Metabolism 1994;43:1481–7.[Medline]
Luscombe ND, Clifton PM, Noakes M, Parker B, Wittert G. Effects of energy-restricted diets containing increased protein on weight loss, resting energy expenditure, and the thermic effect of feeding in type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care 2002;25:652–7.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Forbes GB. Body fat content influences the body composition response to nutrition and exercise. Ann N Y Acad Sci 2000;904:359–65.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Webb P. The measurement of energy expenditure. J Nutr 1991;121:1897–901.[Medline]
Webb P. Human calorimeters. Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers Division, Greenwood Press Inc, 1985:11–22.
Kleiber M. Energy. In: Kleiber M, ed. The fire of life: an introduction to animal energetics. New York: Wiley & Sons, Inc, 1961:105–28.
Kleiber M. Life as a combustion process. In: Kleiber M, ed. The fire of life: an introduction to animal energetics. New York: Wiley & Sons, Inc, 1961:3–8.
Moe PW. Future directions for energy requirements and food energy values. J Nutr 1994;124(suppl):1738S–42S.[Medline]
Widdowson EM. Assessment of the energy value of human foods. London: Cambridge University Press, 1955.
Merrill AL, Watt BK. Energy value of foods, basis and derivation. Agricultural handbook no. 74. Washington, DC: Human Nutrition Research Branch, Agricultural Research Service, US Department of Agriculture, 1955.
Southgate DA, Durnin JV. Calorie conversion factors. An experimental reassessment of the factors used in the calculation of the energy value of human diets. Br J Nutr 1970;24:517–35.[Medline]
Wisker E, Feldheim W. Metabolizable energy of diets low or high in dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables when consumed by humans. J Nutr 1990;120:1331–7.[Medline]
Miles CW, Kelsay JL, Wong NP. Effect of dietary fiber on the metabolizable energy of human diets. J Nutr 1988;118:1075–81.[Medline]
Goranzon H, Forsum E, Thilen M. Calculation and determination of metabolizable energy in mixed diets to humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1983;38:954–63.[Abstract]
Baer DJ, Rumpler WV, Miles CW, Fahey GC Jr. Dietary fiber decreases the metabolizable energy content and nutrient digestibility of mixed diets fed to humans. J Nutr 1997;127:579–86.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Kruskall LJ, Campbell WW, Evans WJ. The Atwater energy equivalents overestimate metabolizable energy intake in older humans: results from a 96-day strictly controlled feeding study. J Nutr 2003;133:2581–4.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Brown J, Livesey G, Roe M, et al. Metabolizable energy of high non-starch polysaccharide-maintenance and weight-reducing diets in men: experimental appraisal of assessment systems. J Nutr 1998;128:986–95.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Miles CW. The metabolizable energy of diets differing in dietary fat and fiber measured in humans. J Nutr 1992;122:306–11.[Medline]
Goranzon H, Forsum E. Metabolizable energy in humans in two diets containing different sources of dietary fiber. Calculations and analysis. J Nutr 1987;117:267–73.[Medline]
Southgate DA. Fibre and the other unavailable carbohydrates and their effects on the energy value of the diet. Proc Nutr Soc 1973;32:131–6.[Medline]
US Department of Agriculture. Composition of foods: raw, processed, and prepared. Agriculture handbook no. 8. Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1976–1988.
Davy KP, Horton T, Davy BM, Bessessen D, Hill JO. Regulation of macronutrient balance in healthy young and older men. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2001;25:1497–502.[Medline]
Roy HJ, Lovejoy JC, Keenan MJ, Bray GA, Windhauser MM, Wilson JK. Substrate oxidation and energy expenditure in athletes and nonathletes consuming isoenergetic high- and low-fat diets. Am J Clin Nutr 1998;67:405–11.[Abstract]
Thomas CD, Peters JC, Reed GW, Abumrad NN, Sun M, Hill JO. Nutrient balance and energy expenditure during ad libitum feeding of high-fat and high-carbohydrate diets in humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1992;55:934–42.[Abstract]
Hill JO, Peters JC, Reed GW, Schlundt DG, Sharp T, Greene HL. Nutrient balance in humans: effects of diet composition. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;54:10–7.[Abstract]
Rumpler WV, Seale JL, Miles CW, Bodwell CE. Energy-intake restriction and diet-composition effects on energy expenditure in men. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;53:430–6.[Abstract]
Lean ME, James WP. Metabolic effects of isoenergetic nutrient exchange over 24 hours in relation to obesity in women. Int J Obes 1988;12:15–27.[Medline]
Abbott WG, Howard BV, Ruotolo G, Ravussin E. Energy expenditure in humans: effects of dietary fat and carbohydrate. Am J Physiol 1990;258:E347–51.[Medline]
Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Westerterp KR. Effects of dietary fat and carbohydrate exchange on human energy metabolism. Appetite 1996;26:287–300.[Medline]
Astrup A, Buemann B, Christensen NJ, Toubro S. Failure to increase lipid oxidation in response to increasing dietary fat content in formerly obese women. Am J Physiol 1994;266:E592–9.[Medline]
Whitehead JM, McNeill G, Smith JS. The effect of protein intake on 24-h energy expenditure during energy restriction. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1996;20:727–32.[Medline]
Eisenstein J, Roberts SB, Dallal G, Saltzman E. High-protein weight-loss diets: are they safe and do they work? A review of the experimental and epidemiologic data. Nutr Rev 2002;60:189–200.[Medline]
Bandini LG, Schoeller DA, Dietz WH. Metabolic differences in response to a high-fat vs. a high-carbohydrate diet. Obes Res 1994;2:348–54.[Medline]
Mikkelsen PB, Toubro S, Astrup A. Effect of fat-reduced diets on 24-h energy expenditure: comparisons between animal protein, vegetable protein, and carbohydrate. Am J Clin Nutr 2000;72:1135–41.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Kreitzman SN, Coxon AY, Szaz KF. Glycogen storage: illusions of easy weight loss, excessive weight regain, and distortions in estimates of body composition. Am J Clin Nutr 1992;56(suppl):292S–3S.[Abstract]
Pietrobelli A, Allison DB, Heshka S, et al. Sexual dimorphism in the energy content of weight change. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2002;26:1339–48.[Medline]
Kempen KP, Saris WH, Westerterp KR. Energy balance during an 8-wk energy-restricted diet with and without exercise in obese women. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62:722–9.[Abstract]
Heymsfield SB, Darby PC, Muhlheim LS, Gallagher D, Wolper C, Allison DB. The calorie: myth, measurement, and reality. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62(suppl):1034S–41S.[Abstract]
Clark D, Tomas F, Withers RT, et al. Energy metabolism in free-living, ‘large-eating’ and ‘small-eating’ women: studies using 2H2(18)O. Br J Nutr 1994;72:21–31.[Medline]
Racette SB, Schoeller DA, Kushner RF, Neil KM. Exercise enhances dietary compliance during moderate energy restriction in obese women. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62:345–9.[Abstract]
Mertz W, Tsui JC, Judd JT, et al. What are people really eating? The relation between energy intake derived from estimated diet records and intake determined to maintain body weight. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;54:291–5.[Abstract]
Yao M, Roberts SB. Dietary energy density and weight regulation. Nutr Rev 2001;59:247–58.[Medline]
Typical Adonis.....just copy and post. No intellectual knowledge.
"A calorie is a calorie" Dumb Fvck.
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Adonis is buckling under the pressure of his fake principles ;D
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He has done that 4 other times. He contends he has had THE BEST results with my methods so far.
Don`t put words into his mouth moron.
he has been on your diet for 6 weeks and still has giant pockets of fat. Is that his best results so far?
god help him
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Mr. Magoo looks like he stinks. hahahah
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hahhahah
Fagoo is all about the creamy sauce.
Its what he eats on his boyfriends MeatBalls.
Hahahah this place is full of jokes.Typical Adonis.....just copy and post. No intellectual knowledge.
"A calorie is a calorie" Dumb Fvck.
HEY MORON YOU ASK FOR STUDIES YOU GET THEM!!!! You want his personal experiences then you deny them. He has pictures to prove it. You are so fucking thick headed you refuse to listen. You will forever be stuck in the matrix.
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Mr. Magoo looks like he stinks. hahahah
Hahahah with those glasses he is reminiscent of a nappy layne norton. Hahahaha look at his shitty hair ahaha. It almsot looks like he has some kind of pony tail or something.
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Hahahah if i was that fucking ugly i'd atleast blot my face out ahahah. He says this picture is a "few years" old ahahaha. Ok "mistermagoo"
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Hahahah with those glasses he is reminiscent of a nappy layne norton. Hahahaha look at his shitty hair ahaha. It almsot looks like he has some kind of pony tail or something.
hahhah He looks like a typical boy, touched by his father and wrestling with his onw sexuality. hahahahah
He started lifting weights for the gay community.
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Hahahah if i was that fucking ugly i'd atleast blot my face out ahahah. He says this picture is a "few years" old ahahaha. Ok "mistermagoo"
You aren't exactly Brad Pitt, Casper.
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hahhah He looks like a typical boy, touched by his father and wrestling with his onw sexuality. hahahahah
He started lifting weights for the gay community.
Hahahah often times when he lifts he thinks about the days when daddy used to fondle his nuts after a good game of catch and then uses it to power him through his work outs.
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Hahahah if i was that fucking ugly i'd atleast blot my face out ahahah. He says this picture is a "few years" old ahahaha. Ok "mistermagoo"
hahhahhaahahahahhaahah
ROFLMAO
Mr. Fagoo is
Gayer than Brian Boitano at a Fondue Restaraunt.
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You aren't exactly Brad Pitt, Casper.
Hahahah of course i am. I am capable of having any woman i want ahahahahah. You however are stuck in a miserable shell of fat 2 inches thick.
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CONCLUSION
TOP
ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION
THERMODYNAMICS
METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
IS A CALORIE A...
OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR...
CONCLUSION
REFERENCES
We conclude that a calorie is a calorie. From a purely thermodynamic point of view, this is clear because the human body or, indeed, any living organism cannot create or destroy energy but can only convert energy from one form to another. In comparing energy balance between dietary treatments, however, it must be remembered that the units of dietary energy are metabolizable energy and not gross energy. This is perhaps unfortunate because metabolizable energy is much more difficult to determine than is gross energy, because the Atwater factors used in calculating metabolizable energy are not exact. As such, our food tables are not perfect, and small errors are associated with their use.
In addition, we concede that the substitution of one macronutrient for another has been shown in some studies to have a statistically significant effect on the expenditure half of the energy balance equation. This has been observed most often for high-protein diets. Evidence indicates, however, that the difference in energy expenditure is small and can potentially account for less than one-third of the differences in weight loss that have been reported between high-protein or low-carbohydrate diets and high-carbohydrate or low-fat diets. As such, a calorie is a calorie. Further research is needed to identify the mechanisms that result in greater weight loss with one diet than with another.
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
ACB and DAS shared the tasks of drafting and revising the manuscript.
REFERENCES
TOP
ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION
THERMODYNAMICS
METABOLIZABLE ENERGY
ENERGY EXPENDITURE
IS A CALORIE A...
OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR...
CONCLUSION
REFERENCES
Atkins RC. Dr. Atkins’ new diet revolution. New York: Avon Books, 1998.
Figueroa-Colon R, von Almen TK, Franklin FA, Schuftan C, Suskind RM. Comparison of two hypocaloric diets in obese children. Am J Dis Child 1993;147:160–6.[Abstract]
Stallings VA, Archibald EH, Pencharz PB, Harrison JE, Bell LE. One-year follow-up of weight, total body potassium, and total body nitrogen in obese adolescents treated with the protein-sparing modified fast. Am J Clin Nutr 1988;48:91–4.[Abstract]
Wadden TA, Stunkard AJ, Day SC, Gould RA, Rubin CJ. Less food, less hunger: reports of appetite and symptoms in a controlled study of a protein-sparing modified fast. Int J Obes 1987;11:239–49.[Medline]
Palgi A, Read JL, Greenberg I, Hoefer MA, Bistrian BR, Blackburn GL. Multidisciplinary treatment of obesity with a protein-sparing modified fast: results in 668 outpatients. Am J Public Health 1985;75:1190–4.[Abstract]
Yang SP, Martin LJ, Schneider G. Weight reduction utilizing a protein-sparing modified fast. J Am Diet Assoc 1980;76:343–6.[Medline]
Alford BB, Blankenship AC, Hagen RD. The effects of variations in carbohydrate, protein, and fat content of the diet upon weight loss, blood values, and nutrient intake of adult obese women. J Am Diet Assoc 1990;90:534–40.[Medline]
Larosa JC, Fry AG, Muesing R, Rosing DR. Effects of high-protein, low-carbohydrate dieting on plasma lipoproteins and body weight. J Am Diet Assoc 1980;77:264–70.[Medline]
Hendler R, Bonde AA III. Very-low-calorie diets with high and low protein content: impact on triiodothyronine, energy expenditure, and nitrogen balance. Am J Clin Nutr 1988;48:1239–47.[Abstract]
Foster GD, Wyatt HR, Hill JO, et al. A randomized trial of a low-carbohydrate diet for obesity. N Engl J Med 2003;348:2082–90.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Skov AR, Toubro S, Ronn B, Holm L, Astrup A. Randomized trial on protein vs carbohydrate in ad libitum fat reduced diet for the treatment of obesity. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1999;23:528–36.[Medline]
Brehm BJ, Seeley RJ, Daniels SR, D’Alessio DA. A randomized trial comparing a very low carbohydrate diet and a calorie-restricted low fat diet on body weight and cardiovascular risk factors in healthy women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2003;88:1617–23.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Samaha FF, Iqbal N, Seshadri P, et al. A low-carbohydrate as compared with a low-fat diet in severe obesity. N Engl J Med 2003;348:2074–81.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Baba NH, Sawaya S, Torbay N, Habbal Z, Azar S, Hashim SA. High protein vs high carbohydrate hypoenergetic diet for the treatment of obese hyperinsulinemic subjects. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1999;23:1202–6.[Medline]
Layman DK, Boileau RA, Erickson DJ, et al. A reduced ratio of dietary carbohydrate to protein improves body composition and blood lipid profiles during weight loss in adult women. J Nutr 2003;133:411–7.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Luscombe ND, Clifton PM, Noakes M, Farnsworth E, Wittert G. Effect of a high-protein, energy-restricted diet on weight loss and energy expenditure after weight stabilization in hyperinsulinemic subjects. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2003;27:582–90.[Medline]
Piatti PM, Monti F, Fermo I, et al. Hypocaloric high-protein diet improves glucose oxidation and spares lean body mass: comparison to hypocaloric high-carbohydrate diet. Metabolism 1994;43:1481–7.[Medline]
Luscombe ND, Clifton PM, Noakes M, Parker B, Wittert G. Effects of energy-restricted diets containing increased protein on weight loss, resting energy expenditure, and the thermic effect of feeding in type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care 2002;25:652–7.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Forbes GB. Body fat content influences the body composition response to nutrition and exercise. Ann N Y Acad Sci 2000;904:359–65.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Webb P. The measurement of energy expenditure. J Nutr 1991;121:1897–901.[Medline]
Webb P. Human calorimeters. Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers Division, Greenwood Press Inc, 1985:11–22.
Kleiber M. Energy. In: Kleiber M, ed. The fire of life: an introduction to animal energetics. New York: Wiley & Sons, Inc, 1961:105–28.
Kleiber M. Life as a combustion process. In: Kleiber M, ed. The fire of life: an introduction to animal energetics. New York: Wiley & Sons, Inc, 1961:3–8.
Moe PW. Future directions for energy requirements and food energy values. J Nutr 1994;124(suppl):1738S–42S.[Medline]
Widdowson EM. Assessment of the energy value of human foods. London: Cambridge University Press, 1955.
Merrill AL, Watt BK. Energy value of foods, basis and derivation. Agricultural handbook no. 74. Washington, DC: Human Nutrition Research Branch, Agricultural Research Service, US Department of Agriculture, 1955.
Southgate DA, Durnin JV. Calorie conversion factors. An experimental reassessment of the factors used in the calculation of the energy value of human diets. Br J Nutr 1970;24:517–35.[Medline]
Wisker E, Feldheim W. Metabolizable energy of diets low or high in dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables when consumed by humans. J Nutr 1990;120:1331–7.[Medline]
Miles CW, Kelsay JL, Wong NP. Effect of dietary fiber on the metabolizable energy of human diets. J Nutr 1988;118:1075–81.[Medline]
Goranzon H, Forsum E, Thilen M. Calculation and determination of metabolizable energy in mixed diets to humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1983;38:954–63.[Abstract]
Baer DJ, Rumpler WV, Miles CW, Fahey GC Jr. Dietary fiber decreases the metabolizable energy content and nutrient digestibility of mixed diets fed to humans. J Nutr 1997;127:579–86.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Kruskall LJ, Campbell WW, Evans WJ. The Atwater energy equivalents overestimate metabolizable energy intake in older humans: results from a 96-day strictly controlled feeding study. J Nutr 2003;133:2581–4.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Brown J, Livesey G, Roe M, et al. Metabolizable energy of high non-starch polysaccharide-maintenance and weight-reducing diets in men: experimental appraisal of assessment systems. J Nutr 1998;128:986–95.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Miles CW. The metabolizable energy of diets differing in dietary fat and fiber measured in humans. J Nutr 1992;122:306–11.[Medline]
Goranzon H, Forsum E. Metabolizable energy in humans in two diets containing different sources of dietary fiber. Calculations and analysis. J Nutr 1987;117:267–73.[Medline]
Southgate DA. Fibre and the other unavailable carbohydrates and their effects on the energy value of the diet. Proc Nutr Soc 1973;32:131–6.[Medline]
US Department of Agriculture. Composition of foods: raw, processed, and prepared. Agriculture handbook no. 8. Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1976–1988.
Davy KP, Horton T, Davy BM, Bessessen D, Hill JO. Regulation of macronutrient balance in healthy young and older men. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2001;25:1497–502.[Medline]
Roy HJ, Lovejoy JC, Keenan MJ, Bray GA, Windhauser MM, Wilson JK. Substrate oxidation and energy expenditure in athletes and nonathletes consuming isoenergetic high- and low-fat diets. Am J Clin Nutr 1998;67:405–11.[Abstract]
Thomas CD, Peters JC, Reed GW, Abumrad NN, Sun M, Hill JO. Nutrient balance and energy expenditure during ad libitum feeding of high-fat and high-carbohydrate diets in humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1992;55:934–42.[Abstract]
Hill JO, Peters JC, Reed GW, Schlundt DG, Sharp T, Greene HL. Nutrient balance in humans: effects of diet composition. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;54:10–7.[Abstract]
Rumpler WV, Seale JL, Miles CW, Bodwell CE. Energy-intake restriction and diet-composition effects on energy expenditure in men. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;53:430–6.[Abstract]
Lean ME, James WP. Metabolic effects of isoenergetic nutrient exchange over 24 hours in relation to obesity in women. Int J Obes 1988;12:15–27.[Medline]
Abbott WG, Howard BV, Ruotolo G, Ravussin E. Energy expenditure in humans: effects of dietary fat and carbohydrate. Am J Physiol 1990;258:E347–51.[Medline]
Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Westerterp KR. Effects of dietary fat and carbohydrate exchange on human energy metabolism. Appetite 1996;26:287–300.[Medline]
Astrup A, Buemann B, Christensen NJ, Toubro S. Failure to increase lipid oxidation in response to increasing dietary fat content in formerly obese women. Am J Physiol 1994;266:E592–9.[Medline]
Whitehead JM, McNeill G, Smith JS. The effect of protein intake on 24-h energy expenditure during energy restriction. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1996;20:727–32.[Medline]
Eisenstein J, Roberts SB, Dallal G, Saltzman E. High-protein weight-loss diets: are they safe and do they work? A review of the experimental and epidemiologic data. Nutr Rev 2002;60:189–200.[Medline]
Bandini LG, Schoeller DA, Dietz WH. Metabolic differences in response to a high-fat vs. a high-carbohydrate diet. Obes Res 1994;2:348–54.[Medline]
Mikkelsen PB, Toubro S, Astrup A. Effect of fat-reduced diets on 24-h energy expenditure: comparisons between animal protein, vegetable protein, and carbohydrate. Am J Clin Nutr 2000;72:1135–41.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Kreitzman SN, Coxon AY, Szaz KF. Glycogen storage: illusions of easy weight loss, excessive weight regain, and distortions in estimates of body composition. Am J Clin Nutr 1992;56(suppl):292S–3S.[Abstract]
Pietrobelli A, Allison DB, Heshka S, et al. Sexual dimorphism in the energy content of weight change. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2002;26:1339–48.[Medline]
Kempen KP, Saris WH, Westerterp KR. Energy balance during an 8-wk energy-restricted diet with and without exercise in obese women. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62:722–9.[Abstract]
Heymsfield SB, Darby PC, Muhlheim LS, Gallagher D, Wolper C, Allison DB. The calorie: myth, measurement, and reality. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62(suppl):1034S–41S.[Abstract]
Clark D, Tomas F, Withers RT, et al. Energy metabolism in free-living, ‘large-eating’ and ‘small-eating’ women: studies using 2H2(18)O. Br J Nutr 1994;72:21–31.[Medline]
Racette SB, Schoeller DA, Kushner RF, Neil KM. Exercise enhances dietary compliance during moderate energy restriction in obese women. Am J Clin Nutr 1995;62:345–9.[Abstract]
Mertz W, Tsui JC, Judd JT, et al. What are people really eating? The relation between energy intake derived from estimated diet records and intake determined to maintain body weight. Am J Clin Nutr 1991;54:291–5.[Abstract]
Yao M, Roberts SB. Dietary energy density and weight regulation. Nutr Rev 2001;59:247–58.[Medline]
Why do you post an article that suggests that "a calorie is a calorie" only in theory?
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Why do you post an article that suggests that "a calorie is a calorie" only in theory?
-Hedge
Why don`t you actually read the ENTIRE study and realize that a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE
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Why do you post an article that suggests that "a calorie is a calorie" only in theory?
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because it was the first thing that came up on google
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Why do you post an article that suggests that "a calorie is a calorie" only in theory?
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Not to mention, it uses the term "macronutrients".
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Why do you post an article that suggests that "a calorie is a calorie" only in theory?
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Blibbity hibbity jibbity blah
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Hahahah of course i am. I am capable of having any woman i want ahahahahah. You however are stuck in a miserable shell of fat 2 inches thick.
I am sure you would like to believe that just like you would like to believe in your false prophet Adonis.
Being a bleached ugly twig won't get you anywhere with the ladies.
Well maybe one, but she already goes out with Adonis.
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Blibbity hibbity jibbity blah
Hedgehog is so dumb he can`t even read and comprehend correctly....hahhaahahah
He looks like shit too. hahahahah
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I am sure you would like to believe that just like you would like to believe in your false prophet Adonis.
Being a bleached ugly twig won't get you anywhere with the ladies.
Well maybe one, but she already goes out with Adonis.
Hahahahah you are no better then magoo. Infact i bet he has a better physique then you.
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hahhah He looks like a typical boy, touched by his father and wrestling with his onw sexuality. hahahahah
He started lifting weights for the gay community.
Being void of any intellect........AdonisB uttsucker just attacks. LOL
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Why don`t you actually read the ENTIRE study and realize that a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE
I read the whole article you posted, I noticed the parts that you had in red.
With that being said, I still found that it contained opinions that doesn't seem to be in line with your idea of a "a calorie is a calorie" philosophy.
Quotes:
In comparing energy balance between dietary treatments, however, it must be remembered that the units of dietary energy are metabolizable energy and not gross energy.
In addition, we concede that the substitution of one macronutrient for another has been shown in some studies to have a statistically significant effect on the expenditure half of the energy balance equation.
It would be great if you could explain how this fit into your "principles", or perhaps rather, why you choose to refer to this article in the first place?
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here's the entire article
first result that came up and all i had to do was type "we conclude that a calorie is a calorie"
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/5/899S
pathetic
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Abeles, perhaps you missed the previous post I made in regards to another article you posted, nevermind though, here it is again:
All CARBOHYDRATES are sugars Einstein.
Lactose is a disaccharide that consists of β-D-galactose and β-D-glucose molecules bonded through a β1-4 glycosidic linkage. Lactose makes up around 2-8% of the solids in milk. The name comes from the Latin word for milk, plus the -ose ending used to name sugars. Lactose is a disaccharide consisting of two subunits, a galactose and a glucose linked together. Its empirical formula is C12H22O11 and its molecular weight is 342.3 g/mol. In the young of mammals, an enzyme called lactase (β1-4 disaccharidase) is secreted by the intestinal villi, and this enzyme cleaves the molecule into its two subunits for absorption.
A Growing Body of Evidence
A growing body of evidence suggests that getting adequate amounts of milk in the diet may help promote a healthy weight for both adults and children. In fact, experts now consider a low dairy intake a risk factor for being overweight or obese.
"Consistently we see that people who regularly drink milk weigh less or have less body fat than those who rarely drink milk or consume little or no dairy," says renowned calcium researcher Dr. Robert P. Heaney of Creighton University in Omaha, who suggests that correcting the country's calcium deficit might reduce the incidence of overweight and obesity in women by as much as 60 to 80 percent.
In one of Heaney's recent studies, he and colleagues reanalyzed data and found that women who consumed the recommend 1,000 milligrams of calcium per day weighed an average of 18 pounds less than those not getting enough calcium. Each 300 milligram increase in calcium intake - the amount found in one glass of milk - was associated with about 5 to 6 pounds lower body weight.
Using data from adults in the Quebec Family Study, Canadian researchers found that women consuming less than 600 milligrams of calcium a day had greater body weight, BMI, percentage of body fat, fat mass, waist circumference and abdominal tissue compared to those consuming 600 milligrams of calcium or more. Milk and milk products provided about 60 percent of the calcium in the diets of the study participants.
Similar trends have been observed with children and teenagers. A recent study conducted by nutrition researchers at the University of Hawaii found that adolescent girls ages 9 to 14 who drank more milk weighed less and had less body fat around their waist compared to their peers who were more likely to drink sodas instead of milk. Girls who drank more soda but also ate the same total calories tended to be heavier.
"We wanted to identify dietary factors to help reverse the growing rate of childhood obesity in this country," said lead researcher Dr. Rachel Novotny, a nutrition professor at the University of Hawaii. "It didn't take much, just an extra glass of milk or a cup of yogurt was associated with lower body fat in teens. Our study found that adolescent girls who ate an additional serving of dairy had significantly lower body fat, when age, ethnicity, growth stage, activity level, and calorie intake were the same."
The researchers found that for every 8-ounce glass of milk consumed, which provides 300 milligrams of calcium, teenage girls weighed an average of 2 pounds less and had a waistline of about one inch slimmer than their counterparts who drank more sodas.
Achieving Better Results
There is a growing body of research indicating that for those people who don't already get the recommended levels of dairy, they can get better results when dieting by including three glasses of milk a day (for a total of 24 ounces) in a reduced-calorie plan.
"No, milk is not a magic bullet, calories still count, but there's growing evidence that you could lose more weight with dairy in your diet plan than without," said Dr. Michael Zemel, a nutrition researcher at the University of Tennessee. Zemel has conducted numerous clinical trials demonstrating that increasing dairy intake to three servings a day promoted greater weight and fat loss in overweight people following a reduced-calorie diet. According to Zemel, most Americans do not consume enough calcium to satisfy their needs. Including three servings of low fat of fat free milk a day is consistent with the U.S. dietary guidelines and MyPyramid.
Zemel said when we don't have enough calcium in our diets, it appears to send two messages to fat cells. "One is to make more fat and the other is to slow down the process of fat burning. Increasing milk consumption seems to tell your body to burn excess fat faster, increasing your body's fat-burning ability," he said.
While more research is needed to understand the dairy-weight loss connection, it looks like the mix of nutrients found in dairy foods, including calcium and protein, may help promote healthy weight by assisting in the body's natural system that regulates fat breakdown and oxidation (or burning of fat).
Abeles, if you believe a calorie is a calorie, why did you post this article?
Also, if a calorie is a calorie, why are you suggesting that eating fruits and drinking milk will "DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat":
The point is,
FRUIT AND MILK will DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat specifically in the abdominal region.
I just love how people try to avoid it for no reason whatsoever.
Another victory for modern science and another loss for idiotic gym science.
There seems to be a bit of an inconsistencency with the opinion you voices here:
There is no such thing as eating Correctly. You can eat anything and not lose a lb of muscle.
He was eating over 2000 calories a day obviously, because he is pretty fat in that picture.
When are you idiots going to learn?
-Hedge
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Tweeter looks like he lost some fat, as well as muscle period.
Tweeter, eat some chicken and steak bro.
do a little cardio, and you'd look 10 times better.
Why do this to yourself?
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You know what they say,
Sometimes you need to take a step back to take 2 steps forward.
I think you're ready for that forward step.
Eat some freakin good food bro!
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Hahaha, satelites are linking up, memory tapes are spinning on their wheels, all of this because TA is about to post every one of those articles he's posted hundreds of times before.
Haha, I bet he only skims through them all and finds the sentences he's looking for.
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Hahahah this place is full of jokes.HEY MORON YOU ASK FOR STUDIES YOU GET THEM!!!! You want his personal experiences then you deny them. He has pictures to prove it. You are so fucking thick headed you refuse to listen. You will forever be stuck in the matrix.
adonis' cock will forever be stuck in your mouth
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Why don`t you actually read the ENTIRE study and realize that a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE
LOL....so just to get this straight (and own you once again) macros or micros don't matter as long as "a calorie is just a calorie", am I understanding this correctly?
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Hahaha, he thinks he has this huge revelation that a calorie = calorie.
No shit sherlock, what do you think we think, a calorie = a stapler?
He doesn't realize that calories are only a part it, not the whole damn thing.
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Hahaha, he thinks he has this huge revelation that a calorie = calorie.
No shit sherlock, what do you think we think, a calorie = a stapler?
He doesn't realize that calories are only a part it, not the whole damn thing.
LMFAO...
Stapler... Gold.
-Hedge
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH THATS WHY WE HAVE CARB UP DAYS!!!! ROFL!!! CARB UP DAYS!!!!! "OMG I WOULD HAVE WON THE SHOW BUT I DIDN'T CARB UP ENOUGH!!!!!" Fucking bloody joke you guys are ahahahah. I laugh at you all
Adonis aka (buttsucker ) what do you know about carb loading? ??? ???you never been lean enough ,to see the difference ,how carb loading affect your body ,after a low carb diet ,and I speak from my own experience, and please buttsuck aka(adonis)don't challenge me to take a picture right now because I don't want to embarrass you ;D :D
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Adonis aka (buttsucker ) what do you know about carb loading? ??? ???you never been lean enough ,to see the difference ,how carb loading affect your body ,after a low carb diet ,and I speak from my own experience, and please buttsuck aka(adonis)don't challenge me to take a picture right now because I don't want to embarrass you ;D :D
OWNED.
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(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/office_space/stephen_root/officespace1.jpg)
great fucking movie...all time classic
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Adonis aka (buttsucker ) what do you know about carb loading? ??? ???you never been lean enough ,to see the difference ,how carb loading affect your body ,after a low carb diet ,and I speak from my own experience, and please buttsuck aka(adonis)don't challenge me to take a picture right now because I don't want to embarrass you ;D :D
I have never once insulted you and i gave you respect but now i just see you are a stupid gook ahahahahha. When a china man wants something bad enough he will do anything to get it including stabbing a friend in the back.
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I have never once insulted you and i gave you respect but now i just see you are a stupid gook ahahahahha. When a china man wants something bad enough he will do anything to get it including stabbing a friend in the back.
great come back , you really hurt my feelings :'( :'(
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great come back , you really hurt my feelings :'( :'(
It is a piece of information my ex vietname vet gym coach told me. He said to keep it in the back of my mind.
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It is a piece of information my ex vietname vet gym coach told me. He said to keep it in the back of my mind.
very interesting
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Back to the question (adonis -buttsuck). What do you know about carb loading? ??? ???
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It is a piece of information my ex vietname vet gym coach told me. He said to keep it in the back of my mind.
Hahaha, oh man, I bet your "gym coach" was the kind of guy that would stand in the locker room while the little boys were changing, swinging the stump of his shot off arm and smaking the boys' bottoms with the stump. Aahahaha, I bet he plowed you with it, too, all the while telling you these "secrets". Gayer than a Family Night at TGI Fridays.
Sorry, I had to.;)
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Hahaha, oh man, I bet your "gym coach" was the kind of guy that would stand in the locker room while the little boys were changing, swinging the stump of his shot off arm and smaking the boys' bottoms with the stump. Aahahaha, I bet he plowed you with it, too, all the while telling you these "secrets". Gayer than a Family Night at TGI Fridays.
Sorry, I had to.;)
You need to work on your gayer then comments. They are terrible. "Gayer then a fashion show"??????? WTF is that!?
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Gayer than a Family Night at TGI Fridays.
What's gay about taking your kids to TGI Fridays?
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You need to work on your gayer then comments. They are terrible. "Gayer then a fashion show"??????? WTF is that!?
Yeah, I'm steadily working on them.
Yesterday's were gold though, Derek Anthony is such an easy target.
Hahaha gayer than Derek Anthony's My Music folder.
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LOL....so just to get this straight (and own you once again) macros or micros don't matter as long as "a calorie is just a calorie", am I understanding this correctly?
Please answer this!
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It is a piece of information my ex vietname vet gym coach told me. He said to keep it in the back of my mind.
is this the same ex Vietnamese gym coach that "accidentally" made you drop your soap in the shower so that he could invade your "all American" behind so that he could get back at America for invading them in the past?
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Please answer this!
yep, i will like to read that too!
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You'll never look like that.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Pitt used drugs for that role.
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You'll never look like that.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Pitt used drugs for that role.
Did he? I know several guys who can attain that ripped 150 lb look without drugs. I refuse to believe this is true. He just has the best tan ever with pretty good aesthetics and he's a good looking bastard. This is all.
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'Tweeter', no offense, but you don't even look as though you workout. You look no different than the average guy on the street that has never even set foot in a gym.
Heavy weights plus protein = big muscles. Its easy. Why make it complicated?
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hahhahhaahahahahhaahah
ROFLMAO
Mr. Fagoo is
Gayer than Brian Boitano at a Fondue Restaraunt.
Adonis, since you enjoy putting down gay people for no apparent reason, I have a serious question for you.
Do you masterbate ? If so, you my friend, are a co*k lover also.
I'll wait for your reply.
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Eat like shit = LOOK LIKE SHIT. GET IT.
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Tweeter,
Get rid of the butter and the cheese bro! Add some more protein.
Just tryin to help, and dissassociate yourself with Adonis.
People here are tryin to help YOU. Adois is trying to help HIMSELF.
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Tweeter,
Get rid of the butter and the cheese bro! Add some more protein.
Just tryin to help, and dissassociate yourself with Adonis.
People here are tryin to help YOU. Adois is trying to help HIMSELF.
Amen!!!
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tweeter,
all power to you for at least trying more than most people seem to do, your routine looks a bit poor, the diet many people have commented on so i leave you to look at that and decieded what you feels best for you.add some dead lifts on your back day and with all of them worry about form first and weight second, if you can do that much for your biceps after a doing your current back work out then your simply not training your back hard or fast enough.
by the end of back if you include deadlifts you should nt be able to do the isolation crap for bi ceps. i prefer to train a body part a day but i know some people have time constrains so this aint possible.
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Adonis, since you enjoy putting down gay people for no apparent reason, I have a serious question for you.
Do you masterbate ? If so, you my friend, are a co*k lover also.
I'll wait for your reply.
He has to, have you seen his girlfriend. :-X
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Once the fat comes off, I think I will compare well. Especially when we both have the light cascading across us. The original pics I took were in the worst lighting possible; most people that post pics of themselves on here manipulate the lighting to make it as flattering as possible.
the reason i posted that picture was not to toot my own horn or say i'm awesome. even if you're right and that we "compare well", i had been lifting for ONE year and you've admittedly been lifting and dieting for EIGHT years. there is no reason your current pictures should look close to my old ones given that.
you can't blame your lack of adonis principles, the fact is you just had no effing clue how to diet cleanly and your physique exemplifies that. you said you got all fat and out of shape doing a clean bodybuilder diet. yet somehow i got to that shape doing the same. why did that happen?
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I don`t think they understand that you have COMPETED in a few shows.
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Too many calories; I have gotten lean eating clean before too, just with lesser calories. And I never said I had been dieting for eight years; I have been overweight most of my life except for the few times I have cut down. What is the point of getting lean if you are just going to get fat again?
What is the point of being lean if you have no muscle?
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I don`t think they understand that you have COMPETED in a few shows.
Abeles,
if a calorie is a calorie, and that there "is no such thing as eating Correctly", why are you suggesting that eating fruits and drinking milk will "DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat":
The point is,
FRUIT AND MILK will DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat specifically in the abdominal region.
I just love how people try to avoid it for no reason whatsoever.
Another victory for modern science and another loss for idiotic gym science.
There seems to be a bit of an inconsistencency with the opinion you voices here:
There is no such thing as eating Correctly. You can eat anything and not lose a lb of muscle.
He was eating over 2000 calories a day obviously, because he is pretty fat in that picture.
When are you idiots going to learn?
-Hedge
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Abeles,
if a calorie is a calorie, and that there "is no such thing as eating Correctly", why are you suggesting that eating fruits and drinking milk will "DRAMATICALLY help reduce bodyfat":
There seems to be a bit of an inconsistencency with the opinion you voices here:
-Hedge
http://www.notmilk.com/
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I think its more from the CALCIUM than from the milk....
New York Times - Personal Health
June 14, 2005
All That Calcium, and Maybe Weight Control Too
By JANE E. BRODY
Could it be just a coincidence that more people have become overweight and obese as milk consumption has declined?
Might the link be that as children and adults drank less milk, they substituted the empty calories of sugar-sweetened soft drinks? Or might there be something special about milk and other dairy foods that helps people control their weight?
The dairy industry would like you to believe the latter. And it may surprise you that most of the evidence supports the industry's contention: that calcium and perhaps other substances in dairy foods can foster weight loss and especially loss of life-shortening abdominal fat.
The evidence suggests that calcium, especially in dairy foods, can help people lose pounds, if they are on a reduced-calorie diet. There is also evidence that dairy foods can keep adolescents from gaining excessive weight and perhaps help adults control middle-age spread.
Some studies that support these suggestions were financed by the dairy industry or companies that sell products like Yoplait yogurt. One prominent researcher in the field holds a patent on the claim that dairy products promote weight loss.
But most studies were done by academic researchers who were supported by government grants or other unrestricted financing. So there is no reason to distrust their findings on the basis of financing.
Clues From Studies
While studies of this kind cannot prove cause and effect, they often reveal links between two factors that suggest the need for more carefully controlled clinical trials. Indeed, quite a few studies have found a strong link between low intake of calcium, dairy products or both and excess body weight, excessive weight gain, or health conditions that can shorten life.
More than two decades ago, the first federally supported National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey found a significant association between low intake of calcium and being overweight. More recently, the Heritage Family Study, done at six major medical centers among 362 men and 462 women, found that low calcium consumption was tied to a higher percentage of body fat and especially abdominal fat, particularly in men and white women.
The relationship applies to children and adolescents as well as adults. Thus, in a study financed by the Department of Agriculture among 323 girls in Hawaii aged 9 through 14, higher intake of dairy products was associated with lower levels of body fat. The more soda the youngsters consumed, the higher their body weight.
Small wonder that American children are getting fatter. As the Hawaiian study noted, milk consumption among adolescents declined by 36 percent from 1965 to 1996, while consumption of soft drinks and noncitrus juices almost doubled.
For overweight adults, a major study indicated that dairy foods could protect against certain life-threatening complications. The four-center Cardia study followed 3,157 black and white adults, aged 18 to 30, for a decade. Among those who were overweight, low levels of dairy consumption were associated with the development of insulin resistance syndrome. This condition, also known as metabolic syndrome and syndrome X, raises a person's risk of developing Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
These and other studies with similar findings prompted researchers doing follow-up studies to see whether a similar relationship developed among their participants over time.
Thus, the Quebec Family Study found that over a six-year period, participants who increased consumption of nonfat or low-fat milk as well as whole fruit were less likely to gain weight and body fat than those who did not make such dietary changes.
Among 99 children followed for up to 12 years in the Framingham Children's Study in Massachusetts, those who consumed the fewest servings of dairy foods a day experienced the greatest gains in body mass index, a measure of fatness.
And among 52 white children followed from age 2 months to 8 years in a study financed by Gerber Products and the Tennessee Agricultural Experiment Station, the more calcium-rich foods the children consumed, the less body fat they acquired over the years.
Dairy and Weight Loss
Now for the critical question: Can you lose weight by consuming more dairy foods? In research financed by the National Dairy Council, scientists led by Dr. Michael B. Zemel, director of the Nutrition Institute at the University of Tennessee, spent 24 weeks studying 32 obese adults who consumed 500 fewer calories than they needed to maintain their weight. (Dr. Zemel holds a patent on commercial applications of the relationship between dairy, calcium and weight control.)
The participants followed one of three diets: standard, with 400 to 500 milligrams of dietary calcium plus a placebo; high-calcium, or the standard diet with an 800-milligram calcium supplement; or high-dairy, with 1,200 to 1,300 milligrams of calcium plus a placebo.
As the researchers reported last year in the journal Obesity Research, those on the standard diet alone lost 6.4 percent of their body weight, those on the high-calcium diet lost 8.6 percent, and those on the high-dairy diet lost 10.9 percent. In addition, more abdominal fat was lost on the high-calcium diet and even more on the high-dairy diet.
In a 12-week study, supported by General Mills, the maker of Yoplait, and published this year in The International Journal of Obesity, Dr. Zemel and colleagues studied 34 healthy obese adults. Those randomly assigned to eat three servings of low-calorie yogurt a day lost significantly more weight, and a higher percentage of body fat, than those who ate only one dairy serving a day.
Before you raid the dairy case, consider these findings as well from another study supported by the National Dairy Council and published this year in The American Journal of Nutrition. Among 155 young, healthy women of normal weight, Purdue University researchers found that those who followed a high-dairy diet (1,300 to 1,400 milligrams of calcium daily) for a year ended up with the same changes in body weight and fat as those who consumed a low-dairy or medium-dairy diet.
Nonetheless, laboratory studies support the claims for weight benefits from calcium and especially dairy calcium. In a study financed by the National Institutes of Health, Dr. E. L. Melanson and colleagues at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center demonstrated in 35 nonobese adults that a high intake of calcium was associated with higher rates of fat oxidation.
Dr. Zemel, who has studied the role of calcium in regulating fat cell metabolism, also examined the effects of dairy sources of calcium in mice prone to obesity. He reported in the journal Lipids that beyond calcium alone, dairy sources "exert markedly greater effects in attenuating weight and fat gain and accelerating fat loss."
His findings suggest that "additional bioactive compounds in dairy act synergistically with calcium" to reduce the risk of obesity.
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I don`t think they understand that you have COMPETED in a few shows.
I won't understand a word you utter.....until you get a COLLEGE DEGREE.
BTW....if you masterbate TA, you LOVE CO*K too!!!
Men who continually put down GAYS......are usually GAY also.
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I won't understand a word you utter.....until you get a COLLEGE DEGREE.
BTW....if you masterbate TA, you LOVE CO*K too!!!
Men who continually put down GAYS......are usually GAY also.
To quote Anchorman....."That doesn't make sense."
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I won't understand a word you utter.....until you get a COLLEGE DEGREE.
BTW....if you masterbate TA, you LOVE CO*K too!!!
Men who continually put down GAYS......are usually GAY also.
I would say that just means you love your OWN cock.
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tweeter...you listen to skinny elf like creatures, eventually you will end up looking like a skinny elf like creature
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Tweeter...
Now that you have a framework for comparison, I suggest you diet for an additional 6 weeks, but this time eliminate processed foods from your diet and focus on un-processed foods such as chicken, fish, eggs, meat, fruits and veggies. Diet soda is acceptable now and then and so is protein powder. Otherwise, eliminate all processed crap from your diet. Go 3 days of lower carbs with the 4th day being a higher carb day, then repeat. For the days you do your carb load, keep the fats very low. Focus on basic exercises and either keep the rest time between sets to a minimum (no more then 45 seconds) or do a little cardio after your weight training session for optimum fatloss. Get lots of sleep, drink plenty of water, and experiment with a little ECA if you wish, just eat as "clean" as possible for the next 6 weeks and we'll see how your are results are at that time. You will surely get out of it what you put into it, so eat smart and lift smart.
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I would say that just means you love your OWN cock.
I love this line that a comedian said (cant remember who it was) "I have never masturbated. I was cleaning it once, and it went off accidentally though"
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I love this line that a comedian said (cant remember who it was) "I have never masturbated. I was cleaning it once, and it went off accidentally though"
Haha... fantastic.
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I have never once insulted you and i gave you respect but now i just see you are a stupid gook ahahahahha. When a china man wants something bad enough he will do anything to get it including stabbing a friend in the back.
do you get bullied in real life?