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Just a reminder:
Deadline for the 2008 Ironman Championships is MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
Deadline for renewal of your 2008 pro card is JANUARY 15, 2008
any questions or concerns, I can be reached via E-mail at:
ifbbprorep@aol.com
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Just a reminder:
Deadline for the 2008 Ironman Championships is MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
Deadline for renewal of your 2008 pro card is JANUARY 15, 2008
any questions or concerns, I can be reached via E-mail at:
www.ifbbprorep@aol.com
Already turned mine in ;D
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Thanks.
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sign me up, chick
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Why post a reminder on a non IFBB board? I guess it's true that IFBB pros post under fake names and check out getbig all the time ;D ;D ;D
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sign me up, chick
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM ;D
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Why post a reminder on a non IFBB board? I guess it's true that IFBB pros post under fake names and check out getbig all the time ;D ;D ;D
"Non IFBB board"?
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Why post a reminder on a non IFBB board? I guess it's true that IFBB pros post under fake names and check out getbig all the time ;D ;D ;D
Of course it's true... the other boards are boring as fucck, and about as informative as a 6-month-old newspaper. But a pro would have to be an idiot to post here under his real name.
Hi, Bob! :D
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Of course it's true... the other boards are boring as fucck, and about as informative as a 6-month-old newspaper. But a pro would have to be an idiot to post here under his real name.
Hi, Bob! :D
I've always posted under my real name, as I have no reason not to.
Getbig is one of the oldest and most widely read bb message boards, it only make sense to try and get to as many people as possible.
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"Non IFBB board"?
The IFBB does not sponsor get big or has any affiliation with get big. Get Big members are part of the "peanut gallery" and i can't see why a federation with so much integrity and class( ::) ::) ::) ::) ) like the IFBB would let its members be part of a website like this. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM ;D
Wow, that bike looks like it is falling apart.
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Bob... is TP aware of the new Advil marketing campaign, "he's all Advil"?
I think he could score a spot in one of those commercials pretty easily.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192979.0
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The IFBB does not sponsor get big or has any affiliation with get big. Get Big members are part of the "peanut gallery" and i can't see why a federation with so much integrity and class( ::) ::) ::) ::) ) like the IFBB would let its members be part of a website like this. ;D ;D ;D ;D
You must have missed "Uncle Ben" giving the Ronster props from the podium of the O last year.
As a Jewish-owned website, Getbig.com has a special status among the powers-that-be! ;D
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Just a reminder:
Deadline for the 2008 Ironman Championships is MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
Deadline for renewal of your 2008 pro card is JANUARY 15, 2008
any questions or concerns, I can be reached via E-mail at:
ifbbprorep@aol.com
Im printing this and sending by ups to hide hahaha
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Im printing this and sending by ups to hide hahaha
Did I call it, or what?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193148.msg2664930#msg2664930
;D
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You must have missed "Uncle Ben" giving the Ronster props from the podium of the O last year.
As a Jewish-owned website, Getbig.com has a special status among the powers-that-be! ;D
Well then Shalom to Uncle Ben, Ron, The IFBB, and any other hook nosed jew bastards :) :) :)
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Did I call it, or what?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193148.msg2664930#msg2664930
;D
;D
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Did I call it, or what?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193148.msg2664930#msg2664930
;D
What a coincedence, right after you post that, he posts this.......hhmmmm think he made a phone call with an idea of how to disassociate IFBB from Hide?
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What a coincedence, right after you post that, he posts this.......hhmmmm think he made a phone call with an idea of how to disassociate IFBB from Hide?
they need to disassociate asap...hide is toxic
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they need to disassociate asap...hide is toxic
hide should be considered ARMED AND DANGEROUS
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As a Jewish-owned website, Getbig.com has a special status among the powers-that-be! ;D
the powers-that-be is Jim Manion
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the powers-that-be is Jim Manion
You musta missed this:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193276.msg2663278#msg2663278
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Can I insult Cutler's wife?
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Can I insult Cutler's wife?
No. You can't call Peter McGough "fat" either. >:(
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No. You can't call Peter McGough "fat" either. >:(
But Peter is fat....
(http://videodetective.com/photos/778/032717_35.jpg)
(http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/Artists/S/Short_Martin/2005/05/05/glick.jpg)
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chick, will u be letting the pros know this by any other forms of communication besides an internet forum?
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Why post a reminder on a non IFBB board? I guess it's true that IFBB pros post under fake names and check out getbig all the time ;D ;D ;D
EXACTLY!
Bob Chick knows how many IFBB PRO's post here daily under gimmicks and handles and the D.L.
Otherwise....why would he post that here? Right?
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chick, will u be letting the pros know this by any other forms of communication besides an internet forum?
Why should he? He knows the entire Industry and majority of the guys competing in the IM are reading this board as we speak.
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Why should he? He knows the entire Industry and majority of the guys competing in the IM are reading this board as we speak.
oh, he's told you this.... when, exactly?
maybe this is why people think bbing is such a weak and pathetic sport. the athletes rep sends a message via an INTERNET FORUM to let guys know about their sport (at which they are at the highest level), instead of calling or emailing them personally. but, if chick wants to tell me the full story, he's welcome to.
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oh, he's told you this.... when, exactly?
maybe this is why people think bbing is such a weak and pathetic sport. the athletes rep sends a message via an INTERNET FORUM to let guys know about their sport (at which they are at the highest level), instead of calling or emailing them personally. but, if chick wants to tell me the full story, he's welcome to.
No problem...
ALL pro's have ben informed of the changes, and they can keep themselves updated via the official IFBB website at www.ifbbpro.com
I merely posted it as a "just in case" to anyone who may have been interested but perhaps they forgot, or it slipped their mind, or maybe they made a time machine and were busy fighting the morlocks trying to get back to the present time....you never know.
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It's essential to post it on getbig. Getbig is the epicenter of bodybuilding.
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Chick you may have to send Goodrum this notice to his personal email. He might miss it here
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You musta missed this:
No, I saw it. I just don't think it's very funny or applicable. There is no evidence that the Weider's have ever considered race or religion in their business dealings. But race and religion was certainly used against them in the 40s and 50s and perhaps later. Lots of anti-semitic remarks aimed at them in the pages of Strength and Health.
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No problem...
ALL pro's have ben informed of the changes, and they can keep themselves updated via the official IFBB website at www.ifbbpro.com
I merely posted it as a "just in case" to anyone who may have been interested but perhaps they forgot, or it slipped their mind, or maybe they made a time machine and were busy fighting the morlocks trying to get back to the present time....you never know.
thanks for clearing it up.
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How about letting LEE compete.
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How about letting LEE compete.
hi Lee.
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No, I saw it. I just don't think it's very funny or applicable. There is no evidence that the Weider's have ever considered race or religion in their business dealings. But race and religion was certainly used against them in the 40s and 50s and perhaps later. Lots of anti-semitic remarks aimed at them in the pages of Strength and Health.
You're just pissed because they didn't consider sexual orientation and leave it to fags, right Susie? ::)
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:D I'M NURTURING FUTURE PROS CHICK :D
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How about letting LEE compete.
Well, that was up to Lee, and he turned down the opportunity to be back in the IFBB...the show will go on.
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:D I'M NURTURING FUTURE PROS CHICK :D
I see one little girl who has a WTA suspension for cocaine use in her future.
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Well, that was up to Lee, and he turned down the opportunity to be back in the IFBB...the show will go on.
No, Lee just couldn't meet your preferred time schedule by one month, and you knew he couldn't... that's why you offered it to him then and not when his suspension was over. You all figured tha way you could say you "offered him an opportunity" like you're doing now every chance you get. Most of us know what's up and aren't buying, Bob.
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No, Lee just couldn't meet your preferred time schedule by one month, and you knew he couldn't... that's why you offered it to him then and not when his suspension was over. You all figured tha way you could say you "offered him an opportunity" like you're doing now every chance you get. Most of us know what's up and aren't buying, Bob.
:o You're not supposed to spell it out like that, Goat"no picture"boy!! :o
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:o You're not supposed to spell it out like that, Goat"no picture"boy!! :o
Ooopps! Guess I'm back on the IFBB shit list. :(
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No, Lee just couldn't meet your preferred time schedule by one month, and you knew he couldn't... that's why you offered it to him then and not when his suspension was over. You all figured tha way you could say you "offered him an opportunity" like you're doing now every chance you get. Most of us know what's up and aren't buying, Bob.
Wrong again fool...
LEE is the one who requested the reinstatement, not the IFBB...it was on HIS timeframe the deal was offered.
BTW, he STILL could have taken the offer as it had NOTHING to do with having any seminars set up....the seminar were located at gyms, not PDI shows.
Anything else you need correcting on?
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Wrong again fool...
LEE is the one who requested the reinstatement, not the IFBB...it was on HIS timeframe the deal was offered.
BTW, he STILL could have taken the offer as it had NOTHING to do with having any seminars set up....the seminar were located at gyms, not PDI shows.
Anything else you need correcting on?
That's not what Lee says. So it really comes down to who I believe to be more credible, him or you. Hmmmmmmmm.... ::)
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That's not what Lee says. So it really comes down to who I believe to be more credible, him or you. Hmmmmmmmm.... ::)
Yeah, Lee's "Mr. Credablity"...
It comes down to simple fact...the IFBB never went to Lee to come back, he did, as he admitted to. That said, the offer was given in response to HIS request in the time frame HE requested.
Bottom line is, how do you account for Lee turning it down when having seminars had nothing to do with being let back in? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Yeah, Lee's "Mr. Credablity"...
Spell-check, Bob... spell-check. ;D
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Spell-check, Bob... spell-check. ;D
credibility
there you go...satified now that you dont know what you're talking about?
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Addendum:
Keep in mind that your membership fees are tax-deductible.
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Better.
Face it, Bob, even when you're telling the truth no one will believe you because everyone knows you're a company man, bought and paid for by the IFBB establishment via your various business and sponsorship deals. You're their unofficial official spokesman. Remember the .gif Rob made of you doing the "Iraqi Information Minister" thing? There's a reason everyone found it so funny... the best comedy has its roots in truth.
You're wrong on everything else, why would anyone believe you're right on this?
The truth is the truth, no matter how you spin it. I back myself up every time because I have no reason to lie...people can believe it, or not. Those involved know the truth, that's all that matters
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hi Lee.
That's not Lee.
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Hmmm..... Bob is strangely silent. Even though he and Lee have widely differing accounts of this situation, he won't come out and say "Lee is a liar".
I wonder why?
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Hmmm..... Bob is strangely silent. Even though he and Lee have widely differing accounts of this situation, he won't come out and say "Lee is a liar".
I wonder why?
I know you have your differences with Bob, and while I will not say Lee is a liar, I will say that he is completely unprofessional most of the time. I would say Bob has more credibility than Lee.
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I know you have your differences with Bob, and while I will not say Lee is a liar, I will say that he is completely unprofessional most of the time. I would say Bob has more credibility than Lee.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and none of us knows exactly what went on... but it's clear that Lee's and Bob's versions of events don't exactly "jive". The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but for some reason I just don't trust anything the IFBB says. It's not so much Bob I have a problem with, but the people he represents.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and none of us knows exactly what went on... but it's clear that Lee's and Bob's versions of events don't exactly "jive". The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but for some reason I just don't trust anything the IFBB says. It's not so much Bob I have a problem with, but the people he represents.
haha, yeah I hear you. Bob is to the IFBB what George Bush is to international banking interests. Both would say they are doing what they want to do, and it's just a coincidence that doing it any other way would result in them losing their jobs.
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When i hear guys praising Joe, that Joe Weider made BB what it is today. That always cracks me up, he did make it the way it is, its like shit.he saw a opportunity to faten his pockets, besides a couple of pro's who is living that good? The damn athletes even have to pay for their pro card. BB would be better off without the weiders from the start.
Has Ben ever picked up a dumbell in his life?
Nice office you got there dipshit, you guys paid for it.
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When i hear guys praising Joe, that Joe Weider made BB what it is today. That always cracks me up, he did make it the way it is, its like shit.he saw a opportunity to faten his pockets, besides a couple of pro's who is living that good? The damn athletes even have to pay for their pro card. BB would be better off without the weiders from the start.
Has Ben ever picked up a dumbell in his life?
Nice office you got there dipshit, you guys paid for it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193417.0;attach=224789;image)
I've said this many times before and I'll say it again: the reason why bodybuilders make so little is because bodybuilding has no market value and so there is no big money coming in to pay the bodybuilders with. It isn't a very in demand industry. That is simple economics. As for the Weiders, I give them credit for being publishing icons. They definitely were good at what they did.
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Hmmm..... Bob is strangely silent. Even though he and Lee have widely differing accounts of this situation, he won't come out and say "Lee is a liar".
I wonder why?
No reason to call Lee a lier, the only thing I heard him say was that "they knew he couldn't take the deal because he had seminars"....which is just plain wrong on all counts, what HE believes in his own head isn't reality.
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To be fair to Chick here Lee Priest does have some serious mental issues. The guy's life is falling apart and he is lashing out at and blaming everyone but himself. It can't help waking up everyday and having to learn that he tattooed his face. It was a cry for help and he has disintegrated since.
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To be fair to Chick here Lee Priest does have some serious mental issues. The guy's life is falling apart and he is lashing out at and blaming everyone but himself. It can't help waking up everyday and having to learn that he tattooed his face. It was a cry for help and he has disintegrated since.
Yeah, Lee is a little unstable. Not that I agree with Bob on everything, but I wouldn't want to debate Lee in any way.
And shit YES I would say this to his face, and also say anything I've said about Bob to his face, or anything I've said of ANY pro on here to their face. What are they going to do, punch me? ???
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My biggest problem with Chick, is he always seems to defend the IFBB's actions and not the "athletes", he is the "athletes" rep right? Why wouldn't he come out and stand behind his "athletes" instead of saying, well, that's the way the IFBB operates, if they don't like it, they don't have to compete. ::)
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My biggest problem with George Bush is he always seems to defend the administration and not the people, he is the people's president, right? Why wouldn't he come out and stand behind the people instead of saying, well, that's the way the USA operates, if they don't like it, they don't have to live there. ::)
Fixed.
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My biggest problem with Chick, is he always seems to defend the IFBB's actions and not the "athletes", he is the "athletes" rep right? Why wouldn't he come out and stand behind his "athletes" instead of saying, well, that's the way the IFBB operates, if they don't like it, they don't have to compete. ::)
Bingo.
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Fixed.
You're Canadian fuckface, you don't have a say in the matter, you'll do as we tell you. :-*
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My biggest problem with Chick, is he always seems to defend the IFBB's actions and not the "athletes", he is the "athletes" rep right? Why wouldn't he come out and stand behind his "athletes" instead of saying, well, that's the way the IFBB operates, if they don't like it, they don't have to compete. ::)
BY all means, give an example...
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You're Canadian fuckface, you don't have a say in the matter, you'll do as we tell you. :-*
Not that I like to admit it, but truer words have never been spoken.
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Chick you should put a good word in for Lee, he needs to be back.
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No problem...
ALL pro's have ben informed of the changes, and they can keep themselves updated via the official IFBB website at www.ifbbpro.com
I merely posted it as a "just in case" to anyone who may have been interested but perhaps they forgot, or it slipped their mind, or maybe they made a time machine and were busy fighting the morlocks trying to get back to the present time....you never know.
Just "in case"? forgot?? slipped their mind??? Bob you are so full of sh*t You my friend are a company man, you don't represent the "athlets" you represent yourself, the IFBB, and whatever else Manion tells you to stand up for. You have a job and don't want to lose it, which makes sense, but don't try to fool us by tring to act like you have an objective opininon. These old muscle worshiping men rule you and control you.
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Yeah, Lee is a little unstable. Not that I agree with Bob on everything, but I wouldn't want to debate Lee in any way.
And shit YES I would say this to his face, and also say anything I've said about Bob to his face, or anything I've said of ANY pro on here to their face. What are they going to do, punch me? ???
You wouldn't say shit to Titus :D
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You wouldn't say shit to Titus :D
Actually, I have a deep rooted hatred for guys like Titus. The "bad boy" moron type of guy. So I would say it to his face too, even if it meant him smashing me out. People like him make me sick.
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Actually, I have a deep rooted hatred for guys like Titus. The "bad boy" moron type of guy. So I would say it to his face too, even if it meant him smashing me out. People like him make me sick.
Yeah. I'm not too sure about Lee, but Titus was (obviously) one very unstable guy. I think Lee is just a bit quirky, not anything actually wrong with him.
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To be fair to Chick here Lee Priest does have some serious mental issues. The guy's life is falling apart and he is lashing out at and blaming everyone but himself. It can't help waking up everyday and having to learn that he tattooed his face. It was a cry for help and he has disintegrated since.
When you say his life is falling apart, what do you mean? I heard he is moving back to Australia, did he lose his home in Texas? What about the drag racing teams?
He has everyone over at MD believing he is all natural right now. It is amusing how they all stick up for him when I say he is lying.
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Just "in case"? forgot?? slipped their mind??? Bob you are so full of sh*t You my friend are a company man, you don't represent the "athlets" you represent yourself, the IFBB, and whatever else Manion tells you to stand up for. You have a job and don't want to lose it, which makes sense, but don't try to fool us by tring to act like you have an objective opininon. These old muscle worshiping men rule you and control you.
I post a simple reminder and I'm "full of shit"..? and a "company man"..?
What the hell are you talking about??
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BY all means, give an example...
The whole debacle with Priest competing for PDI....never once on this board did I read you saying "Yes, he should be able to make money no matter the organization" Instead you spouted the company motto "Deal with it or don't compete here".
I don't understand how IFBB can support these guys dealing drugs, doing g4p, stripping and doing whatever else they need to do to make ends meet, yet they are going to "punish" someone that wants to compete in an org. that they know is no threat to them.
Q Bob and his bullshit about the IFBB has the same rules about competing in other orgs as the NFL.... ::) There is a huge difference there Robert, what is the base pay for an NFL player compared to the base pay of a bodybuilder? Suddenly you don't want to compare them, huh? ;)
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Matt C,
I think BBing has a lot of value. I just think, as a sport overall, they're underachieving. You have a population of 310 million people (in USA alone), and 95% of them want to look better. Bodybuilders and fitness/figure look good (when not taken to the extreme of course).
They're just not reaching potential because they choose not to. Whether it be old grudges, or just the complacency that comes with "I'm rich and I am happy and I don't see a need to grow", I don't know. I do know that a real PR firm could make BBing more mainstream. Ask 1000 people what they like/dislike about bodybuilders or a BBing show. Then start making changes. The only changes we've seen in the last 2 decades are prize $ increases below the cost-of-living rate, and wider guts. Go back to 1975 when the trend was growth, see why they stopped growing. Stop catering to the weird old men and start catering to what you ascertain to be the interest of the masses. Of course, you'd have to take ego out of the equation to do that.
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Q Bob and his bullshit about the IFBB has the same rules about competing in other orgs as the NFL.... ::) There is a huge difference there Robert, what is the base pay for an NFL player compared to the base pay of a bodybuilder? Suddenly you don't want to compare them, huh? ;)
Actually, the NFL has no such rule. Let's say a player is a free agent, and has a contract with the Steelers that ends after the 2007 season. If that player then goes and plays in the CFL for the 2008 season, no problem. If he gets hired by the Chargers for the 2009 season, again no problem... the NFL doesn't "blackball" him because he played or another league in 08.
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Actually, the NFL has no such rule. Let's say a player is a free agent, and has a contract with the Steelers that ends after the 2007 season. If that player then goes and plays in the CFL for the 2008 season, no problem. If he gets hired by the Chargers for the 2009 season, again no problem... the NFL doesn't "blackball" him because he played or another league in 08.
Interesting. As a result of this, the NFL is able to have the best talent in the world on their fields each year. Any tie-ups with "You played with them, so you can't play for us" would simply water down the quality of the NFL games we see.
Are IFBB shows watered down because bodybuilders the caliber of Priest, Sami, and Frey cannot compete?
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Actually, the NFL has no such rule. Let's say a player is a free agent, and has a contract with the Steelers that ends after the 2007 season. If that player then goes and plays in the CFL for the 2008 season, no problem. If he gets hired by the Chargers for the 2009 season, again no problem... the NFL doesn't "blackball" him because he played or another league in 08.
Funny, I thought Bob used the NFL as an example of a person couldn't go from one league to another.....
At any rate, my statement stands, he is the face of the company, not the BBers.
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Actually, the NFL has no such rule. Let's say a player is a free agent, and has a contract with the Steelers that ends after the 2007 season. If that player then goes and plays in the CFL for the 2008 season, no problem. If he gets hired by the Chargers for the 2009 season, again no problem... the NFL doesn't "blackball" him because he played or another league in 08.
Lets take your example....Lee is a free agent and can go "play" for whoever he wants...
You canot play for the Vikings and Steelers at the same time, nor the European league and NFL at the same time...
One difference (amongst many) is that there are numerous teams to go play for, there is basically one in our sport...
Lets use your example in more detail:
Free agent X gets let go by the Steelers, go's and plays for the CFL, tries to come back to the Steelers, refuses a offer of $XXX, then cries foul they dont keep making him offers again and again...
Game over
Time to find another team...the Steelers arent inerested anymore.
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Lee is an idiot. Hope this helps.
Fixed. No need to say more.
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Fixed. No need to say more.
;D
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X gets let go by the Steelers, go's and plays for the CFL, tries to come back to the Steelers, refuses a offer of $XXX, then cries foul they dont keep making him offers again and again...
sorry, the masses aren't buying it.
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If the nfl commissioner owned all the teams and was a double-dealing poof then the comparison would be valid.
hope this helps
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Lets take your example....Lee is a free agent and can go "play" for whoever he wants...
You canot play for the Vikings and Steelers at the same time, nor the European league and NFL at the same time...
One difference (amongst many) is that there are numerous teams to go play for, there is basically one in our sport...
Lets use your example in more detail:
Free agent X gets let go by the Steelers, go's and plays for the CFL, tries to come back to the Steelers, refuses a offer of $XXX, then cries foul they dont keep making him offers again and again...
Game over
Time to find another team...the Steelers arent inerested anymore.
That's just it, you're using the wrong analogy... the IFBB isn't the team (Steelers), they're the league (NFL). The teams would be the supplement companies (BSN, Muscletech, etc.). These are the guys that actually "hire" and PAY the bodybuilders, not the IFBB.
What has happened in Lee's case would be like the football player going and playing in the CFL in '08, and the NFL (not the teams) saying he can't play in '09 because of it. The teams can't hire him even if they want to, because the leauge isn't letting him play, because they're jealous insecure bastards. The league is not the employer, yet you keep using incorrect employer/employee analogies.
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The whole debacle with Priest competing for PDI....never once on this board did I read you saying "Yes, he should be able to make money no matter the organization" Instead you spouted the company motto "Deal with it or don't compete here".
That's because I dont necesarily agree with that, so why would I say it?
I don't understand how IFBB can support these guys dealing drugs, doing g4p, stripping and doing whatever else they need to do to make ends meet, yet they are going to "punish" someone that wants to compete in an org. that they know is no threat to them.
THey don't "support them"...they basically cant do anything about it without infringing on rights.
Q Bob and his bullshit about the IFBB has the same rules about competing in other orgs as the NFL.... ::) There is a huge difference there Robert, what is the base pay for an NFL player compared to the base pay of a bodybuilder? Suddenly you don't want to compare them, huh? ;)
I didn't bring up the comparison...but the two are two different types of sports. In the IFBB, you dont get a base pay, you get opportunity and doors opened to you otherwise notfound.
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Lets take your example....Lee is a free agent and can go "play" for whoever he wants...
You canot play for the Vikings and Steelers at the same time, nor the European league and NFL at the same time...
One difference (amongst many) is that there are numerous teams to go play for, there is basically one in our sport...
Lets use your example in more detail:
Free agent X gets let go by the Steelers, go's and plays for the CFL, tries to come back to the Steelers, refuses a offer of $XXX, then cries foul they dont keep making him offers again and again...
Game over
Time to find another team...the Steelers arent inerested anymore.
You're comparing TEAM sports with INDIVIDUAL sports, Bob.
Pro golfers and tennis players are able to compete in any competitive events they want, in order to make money. You're using a distractor here - the "team" competitive issue when there is none. &guy Woods can play any PGA event, then he can go play a Disney tournament or Japan Playoff, or any network event, etc. Michelle Wie can do an LPGA event, then go to Dubai and play in a Million dollar event for the Sheiks, then play a charity event.
Hell, would any IFBB bodybuilder be BANNED from the IFBB for doing a CHARITY event? If they did a bodybuilding show for NO MONEY - where the proceeds went to a good charity?
I stay out of this argument, but using team sports to argue an individual sport is shaky, Bob.
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That's just it, you're using the wrong analogy... the IFBB isn't the team (Steelers), they're the league (NFL). The teams would be the supplement companies (BSN, Muscletech, etc.). These are the guys that actually "hire" and PAY the bodybuilders, not the IFBB.
What has happened in Lee's case would be like the football player going and playing in the CFL in '08, and the NFL (not the teams) saying he can't play in '09 because of it. The teams can't hire him even if they want to, because the leauge isn't letting him play, because they're jealous insecure bastards. The league is not the employer, yet you keep using incorrect employer/employee analogies.
Well, it works in this case bacause "The League" only has ONE team....and the supplement companies are sponsors, not owners, or teams.
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sorry, the masses aren't buying it.
Yeah, Bob, you're being dishonest here.
You should either be honest, and say "Lee burned the IFBB so he's banned for life", or just not address it.
You're insulting the intelligence of people trying to explain the team analogy. People are often more upset when they're lied to or talked down to, than they would be just being given the facts.
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You're comparing TEAM sports with INDIVIDUAL sports, Bob.
Pro golfers and tennis players are able to compete in any competitive events they want, in order to make money. You're using a distractor here - the "team" competitive issue when there is none. &guy Woods can play any PGA event, then he can go play a Disney tournament or Japan Playoff, or any network event, etc. Michelle Wie can do an LPGA event, then go to Dubai and play in a Million dollar event for the Sheiks, then play a charity event.
Hell, would any IFBB bodybuilder be BANNED from the IFBB for doing a CHARITY event? If they did a bodybuilding show for NO MONEY - where the proceeds went to a good charity?
I stay out of this argument, but using team sports to argue an individual sport is shaky, Bob.
Granted, but I didn't bring it up...someone else did.
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Yeah, Bob, you're being dishonest here.
You should either be honest, and say "Lee burned the IFBB so he's banned for life", or just not address it.
You're insulting the intelligence of people trying to explain the team analogy. People are often more upset when they're lied to or talked down to, than they would be just being given the facts.
He did burn them by refusing their offer to come back when HE requested it...after that, they didn't see any need to make any more offers. I've never stated anything different...burned, slighted, duped, pick whatever word you wish...same principle.
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Would any IFBB bodybuilder be BANNED from the IFBB for doing a CHARITY event? If they did a bodybuilding show for NO MONEY - where the proceeds went to a good charity?
Bob, I notice you didn't answer that.
Suppose Tre, Tim Fogarty, or some other bodybuilding afficianado with a big heart put on a charity bodybuilding event the Thursday before the Olympia.
THere would be no prize money, but for every IFBB pro that showed up for this contest, $1000 would be given to the American Cancer Society. A Bodybuilding Pledge show, to be clear.
Would the IFBB pros who showed up to donate their time to this event be banned from the IFBB?
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Well, it works in this case bacause "The League" only has ONE team....and the supplement companies are sponsors, not owners, or teams.
No it doesn't, because the "team" would be an employer who pays a salary. The IFBB doesn't pay these guys shit, which is the whole point. I have no problem with an employer who pays a legit salary making whatever rule they want... paying the salary gives then that right. The IFBB, however, has not earned that right, since they don't pay these guys jack shit. Their employers are the supplement companies.
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I have not followed Lee`s situation since the initial ban. What exactly did the IFBB offer him that he rebuked ?
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I have not followed Lee`s situation since the initial ban. What exactly did the IFBB offer him that he rebuked ?
He was already comitted to doing the PDI shows which were to be held before his suspension was over. The IFBB came to him and said "We'll let you back in early if you break your contracts and skip out on the PDI shows". Lee said "I need to honor my contracts, I'll just wait until my suspension is over". Then when his suspension was over, the IFBB said, "so sorry... we're not letting you back in".
Basically, they screwed him.
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So, Chick, you don't believe a bodybuilder, the guys you represent, should be able to make their money under any avenue available to them? Do you think it is more damaging to the IFBB for a bber to compete for a smaller org or a bber to do g4p or online stripping shows or "private" posing sessions? I'm curious which one you think is worse.
Just to throw this out there....in "professional wrestling" often big named stars will be allowed to do guest matches for smaller orgs. They are considered private contractors, isn't that what you would consider a pro bber? If a bber isn't considered a private contractor, are they considered an employee? If they are an employee, shouldn't they get a base pay not an "opportunity"? That is a weak ass deal anyways....haha...they get an opportunity...pfft...opp ortunities don't pay bills, or put food on the table....Bob Manion.
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Bob, I notice you didn't answer that.
Suppose Tre, Tim Fogarty, or some other bodybuilding afficianado with a big heart put on a charity bodybuilding event the Thursday before the Olympia.
THere would be no prize money, but for every IFBB pro that showed up for this contest, $1000 would be given to the American Cancer Society. A Bodybuilding Pledge show, to be clear.
Would the IFBB pros who showed up to donate their time to this event be banned from the IFBB?
It's a hypothetical, could be a million more...
That said, many of us participated in Shawn's Charity Golf tournament, no one was banned....as for some "show" that benefitted a charity, I have yet to see one, but doubtful anyone would get banned.
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He was already comitted to doing the PDI shows which were to be held before his suspension was over. The IFBB came to him and said "We'll let you back in early if you break your contracts and skip out on the PDI shows". Lee said "I need to honor my contracts, I'll just wait until my suspension is over". Then when his suspension was over, the IFBB said, "so sorry... we're not letting you back in".
Basically, they screwed him.
Goddam bro, you cant get anything right...
Lee already said he wasn't going to do the PDI NOC, that was WELL before any offer was made.
The IFBB didn't come to Lee, it was Leer that wanted back in...big difference.
Lee turned down the offer then cited the reason being that he has SEMINARS set up and had to honor them, but never made mention of it until MUCH later. In reality, he could have accepted the offer, AND done his seminars as they had no bearing on his coming back...
Basically, Lee screwed Lee...again.
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So, Chick, you don't believe a bodybuilder, the guys you represent, should be able to make their money under any avenue available to them? Do you think it is more damaging to the IFBB for a bber to compete for a smaller org or a bber to do g4p or online stripping shows or "private" posing sessions? I'm curious which one you think is worse.
Just how many pro's actually engage in those acvtivities? Especially in the top 20?
Didn't know those were the only two options available to a pro...either competing or gay porn, huh? How about a JOB? How about WORKING? You make it sound like the few that have done these things were forced into it..LOL, give me a break..
Just to throw this out there....in "professional wrestling" often big named stars will be allowed to do guest matches for smaller orgs. They are considered private contractors, isn't that what you would consider a pro bber? If a bber isn't considered a private contractor, are they considered an employee? If they are an employee, shouldn't they get a base pay not an "opportunity"? That is a weak ass deal anyways....haha...they get an opportunity...pfft...opp ortunities don't pay bills, or put food on the table....Bob Manion.
Bullshit, you dont know what you're talking about...and a bad example, McMahon pays these guys to wrestle for the WWE, in no way shape or form are they allowed to go make an appearance at any rival show...
Pro BBers are private contractors who ELECT to pay a fee and be a member to the IFBB, in exchange for those opportunities...Opportun ities don't pay bills or put food on the table, huh? What do you think I pay my bills and put food on my table from? Myself and many others who make quite a nice living, and quite a big buck from the opportunities that we took advantage of...
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You're insulting the intelligence of people trying to explain the team analogy. People are often more upset when they're lied to or talked down to, than they would be just being given the facts.
THIS
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Chick, are you saying that every IFBB "pro" has been offered the same opportunities as you? You are so caught up in being the front man for the IFBB and not the "athletes" it has affected your judgement. It is obvious to most here that you spin any argument you can to make the IFBB look right in it's decisions, when in reality they are stopping some of the guys that aren't top 10 from making extra money.
If I find time, I will look for specific examples of wwe guys showing up and performing at smaller shows for you, OK? ::)
One more question, noy being an ass, but how many times and what examples can you give, that would show you have gone to bat for specific people in the IFBB, not talking prize money, but who has run into trouble that you've helped out? Anyone? The cases documented here on getbig Lee, Milos..seem to point to you telling the bber to do what IFBB wants instead of you fighting the IFBB for bbers.
One more edit...by saying "how many of those pros are in the top 20"? does that mean pros out of the top 20 are subject to different rules? Thanks for your time. :-*
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I post a simple reminder and I'm "full of shit"..? and a "company man"..?
What the hell are you talking about??
Thanks Chic I appreciate the heads up. Yes we received a reminder in the mail from IFBB but you never know who's training for a show and spacing out on things,or someone's moved etc. Even if 1 person benefits from your effort it was worth it. Now the average person knows theres a yearly participation fee we must pay to have the privilege to compete and even if you miss the deadline you can still register, it will just cost you more $. On a personal note,thanks for offering me answers to any questions I might have as a new IFBB PRO I'm sure someday I'll get a chance to pick your brain. A.D. Cherry
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Chick, are you saying that every IFBB "pro" has been offered the same opportunities as you?
Yep, sure have. In a sport decided by individual talent and competition...it's up to the athlete to do the best with what they have. I was never going to challenge any of the top 5 for the Olympia, but excelled in other areas and utilized my skills to make a living from the sport.
You are so caught up in being the front man for the IFBB and not the "athletes" it has affected your judgement. It is obvious to most here that you spin any argument you can to make the IFBB look right in it's decisions, when in reality they are stopping some of the guys that aren't top 10 from making extra money.
If you're not in the top 15-20, it's pretty tough to make any real money anyways( at least from prize money) for the simple fact that people want the BEST, and the best will always get bigger money for obvious reasons...PDI was a great example of that, Le made money, so did Sami, St. Cloud...the BEST of what they had...the rest, made nothing....no different. It's not called "spin" it's called "REALITY".
If I find time, I will look for specific examples of wwe guys showing up and performing at smaller shows for you, OK? ::)
You do that...good luck
One more question, noy being an ass, but how many times and what examples can you give, that would show you have gone to bat for specific people in the IFBB, not talking prize money, but who has run into trouble that you've helped out? Anyone?
Sure...
Silvio- had to negotiate for him not to get fined for pictures posted by Milos which violated his contract. RESULT: no fine
Don Long- although I didn't agree with his decision to compete again, I represented on his behalf tomake it a possibility. RESULT: he was cleared to compete
Lee- At his request, I went to bat and tried to get his suspension lifted the day of the AC Pro to alow him to compete. RESULT: rejected due to his previously rejecting offer to came back
Milos-Put together and submitted his official appeal to the suspension resulting from the Paul Chua allegation, this was done on MIlos' behalf as he was out of the country and couldn't be reached. RESULT: appeal rejected based on Milos' own previous admission of guilt
NUmerous other endeavors including submitting Silvio's name to the ASC as he was out of the country...and of course, numerous submissions/ proposals resulting in more money to pro's, more qualifying spots for the O, per diem increase, no declaration rule (for the women) judging changes (more rounds of comparison), etc, etc....
The cases documented here on getbig Lee, Milos..seem to point to you telling the bber to do what IFBB wants instead of you fighting the IFBB for bbers.
One more edit...by saying "how many of those pros are in the top 20"? does that mean pros out of the top 20 are subject to different rules? Thanks for your time. :-*
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Thanks Chic I appreciate the heads up. Yes we received a reminder in the mail from IFBB but you never know who's training for a show and spacing out on things,or someone's moved etc. Even if 1 person benefits from your effort it was worth it. Now the average person knows theres a yearly participation fee we must pay to have the privilege to compete and even if you miss the deadline you can still register, it will just cost you more $. On a personal note,thanks for offering me answers to any questions I might have as a new IFBB PRO I'm sure someday I'll get a chance to pick your brain. A.D. Cherry
No problem...welcome to the club, bro!
As we talked after your victory, I'm available anytime to answer any and all queastions you may have, or to help you should you need it...
Now get your rookie ass ready for the bigboys!!
See you in Colombus
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No problem...welcome to the club, bro!
As we talked after your victory, I'm available anytime to answer any and all queastions you may have, or to help you should you need it...
Now get your rookie ass ready for the bigboys!!
See you in Colombus
You got it. Thanks again and Happy New year to you and your family from the Cherry family.
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RMC: how is exclusive free agency possible?
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So you are useful after all :D
Sure...
Silvio- had to negotiate for him not to get fined for pictures posted by Milos which violated his contract. RESULT: no fine
Don Long- although I didn't agree with his decision to compete again, I represented on his behalf tomake it a possibility. RESULT: he was cleared to compete
Lee- At his request, I went to bat and tried to get his suspension lifted the day of the AC Pro to alow him to compete. RESULT: rejected due to his previously rejecting offer to came back
Milos-Put together and submitted his official appeal to the suspension resulting from the Paul Chua allegation, this was done on MIlos' behalf as he was out of the country and couldn't be reached. RESULT: appeal rejected based on Milos' own previous admission of guilt
NUmerous other endeavors including submitting Silvio's name to the ASC as he was out of the country...and of course, numerous submissions/ proposals resulting in more money to pro's, more qualifying spots for the O, per diem increase, no declaration rule (for the women) judging changes (more rounds of comparison), etc, etc....
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RMC: how is exclusive free agency possible?
Not sure I understand the question, rephrase it
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Not sure I understand the question, rephrase it
sure correct me if i've got it wrong.
the IFBB has an exclusive clause with their contract workers so how can there be free agency if a contractor has an exclusive with the IFBB? it seem incompatible.
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sure correct me if i've got it wrong.
the IFBB has an exclusive clause with their contract workers so how can there be free agency if a contractor has an exclusive with the IFBB? it seem incompatible.
When I call a plumbing contractor to fix a leaky pipe in my home, I require that he not do plumbing work for anyone else and be exclusive to me. Granted, I'm not paying him a salary or anything, but I'm giving him an "opportunity" to make money with me. Who knows, maybe I'll have 10 or 12 leaky pipes next year? (then again, maybe not.) ::)
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Just how many pro's actually engage in those acvtivities? Especially in the top 20?
I know of two. Many more if we count the women.
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Which is exactly my point, not exactly the norm...
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When I call a plumbing contractor to fix a leaky pipe in my home, I require that he not do plumbing work for anyone else and be exclusive to me. Granted, I'm not paying him a salary or anything, but I'm giving him an "opportunity" to make money with me. Who knows, maybe I'll have 10 or 12 leaky pipes next year? (then again, maybe not.) ::)
You explain it better than me, but this is my point, how does an "opportunity" make you money? Especially if every single pro is being given the same opportunity.
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Which is exactly my point, not exactly the norm...
we're talking about pornography and prostitution here. why is it tolerated at all?
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You explain it better than me, but this is my point, how does an "opportunity" make you money? Especially if every single pro is being given the same opportunity.
I cant believe this needs to be explained, but here goes:
After earning your pro card into the IFBB, opportunity is opened to you in various ways...
prize money
contracts/ endorsements
publication contracts
guest appearances/ seminars/ etc.
These opportunities are 99.9% from being a part of the IFBB, as the exposure on the stage, in the publications, with the NPC, etc are all there for the taking.
Lee is a prime example of those opportunities drying up/ unavailable when you're NOT in the Pro League as other federations are short lived, don't offer much in prize money,supp company endorsement contracts, or in opportunities otherwise...
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we're talking about pornography and prostitution here. why is it tolerated at all?
Personally, if I were running the club...it wouldn't. That said, if I had to guess, they don't want to open the Pandoras box of infringing on the rights,free speech, etc...
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Lee is a prime example of those opportunities drying up/ unavailable when you're NOT in the Pro League as other federations are short lived, don't offer much in prize money,supp company endorsement contracts, or in opportunities otherwise...
if they dried up for Lee it is only because of the thuggish behavior of the IFBB. Fans still like him. His endorsement is just as valuable. If supplement companies aren't hiring him, it is only due to pressure from the IFBB.
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I cant believe this needs to be explained, but here goes:
After earning your pro card into the IFBB, opportunity is opened to you in various ways...
prize money
contracts/ endorsements
publication contracts
guest appearances/ seminars/ etc.
These opportunities are 99.9% from being a part of the IFBB, as the exposure on the stage, in the publications, with the NPC, etc are all there for the taking.
Lee is a prime example of those opportunities drying up/ unavailable when you're NOT in the Pro League as other federations are short lived, don't offer much in prize money,supp company endorsement contracts, or in opportunities otherwise...
So what about someone like Derek Anthony, who I've never seen comp pics of....how does he get a contract without a "rep" or the IFBB? I'm sure there are others, didn't Peter Putnam have a contract before he was pro?
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Personally, if I were running the club...it wouldn't. That said, if I had to guess, they don't want to open the Pandoras box of infringing on the rights,free speech, etc...
infringe on the right to commit an illegal activity (prostitution) ?
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*insert IFBB bullshit here*
You're missing the point. Independent contractors are just that, independent. You can only require exclusivity from employees, not contractors.
Next time I need to call a roofer, I will refuse to let him do my roof unless he agrees not to take any other jobs from anyone else the whole year, despite the fact my roof will take only one week, and I will not be paying him for the other 51 weeks or anything. ::)
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So what about someone like Derek Anthony, who I've never seen comp pics of....how does he get a contract without a "rep" or the IFBB? I'm sure there are others, didn't Peter Putnam have a contract before he was pro?
Stan McQuay probably made more from his endorsements than did most IFBB pros. And some of that is certainly due to the TV coverage he got as a Musclemania pro.
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"You're missing the point. Independent contractors are just that, independent. You can only require exclusivity from employees, not contractors." that is what i'm talking about RMC
has the IFBB legal team discuss the legal issues regarding this forced exclusivity of contract laborers?
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if they dried up for Lee it is only because of the thuggish behavior of the IFBB. Fans still like him. His endorsement is just as valuable. If supplement companies aren't hiring him, it is only due to pressure from the IFBB.
If thats the case, why did CEL drop him? THey hired him when he wa already gone from the iFBB...if he was such a great spokesman for a company, i'm sure someone would hire him.
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He did burn them by refusing their offer to come back when HE requested it...after that, they didn't see any need to make any more offers. I've never stated anything different...burned, slighted, duped, pick whatever word you wish...same principle.
Nahh.. Lee TOOK the offer.. Lee was given two offers to be precise, "leave the PDI and come back now" (offer 1) OR "stay with PDI and serve a term of a penalty" (offer 2). Both were offered, Lee ACCEPTED #2. Lee TOOK the offer, accepted the terms, paid the time - got blackballed.
(From what I've read on the boards - We need Lee here to state his side of the facts)
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infringe on the right to commit an illegal activity (prostitution) ?
If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.
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If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.
dont get caught is the understanding
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If someone were found out to be a prostitute,
the IFBB knows who's escorting, both male and female
and arrested and convicted,
oh, so it's just don't get caught
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dont get caught is the understanding
Apparently that's the deal.... :-\
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You're missing the point. Independent contractors are just that, independent. You can only require exclusivity from employees, not contractors.
Next time I need to call a roofer, I will refuse to let him do my roof unless he agrees not to take any other jobs from anyone else the whole year, despite the fact my roof will take only one week, and I will not be paying him for the other 51 weeks or anything. ::)
You can require anything you want if the party that is signing the contract agrees to the terms....
Roofers and Plumbers are TRADES...were talking about a sport of which competition and prize money is involved...go start a competition to get your roof fixed.
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Stan McQuay probably made more from his endorsements than did most IFBB pros. And some of that is certainly due to the TV coverage he got as a Musclemania pro.
There are plenty of examples...I'm sure we can all come up with some...not the point.
Point is...If you have aspirations of becoming a PRO bb and want the opportunity to be successful at it, then the IFBB IS YOUR BEST CHOICE...
No one said it's the ONLY way to make money from BB, as Derek Anthony does (as someone pointed out) so does Mike OHearn, so did the Barbarians, Rick Valente, etc etc....
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the IFBB knows who's escorting, both male and female
oh, so it's just don't get caught
I guess it's like the "Dont ask, don't tell" policy of the military...you should be familiar with that.
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If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.
What about Rodney St. Cloud? Wasn't he caught and in the press for quite some time?
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What about Rodney St. Cloud? Wasn't he caught and in the press for quite some time?
Was he convicted of anything? I lost track when he left the IFBB....
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You can require anything you want if the party that is signing the contract agrees to the terms....
That doesn't make it right. The IFBB holds a virtually monopoly on professional bodybuilding. As such, do the bodybuilders really "agree" to the terms dictated to them? Seems to me they don't really have a choice. The IFBB is a monopoly and it engages in anti-competitive practices. You can't sit back and say "they agreed to it" and think you're on moral or legal high ground.
Roofers and Plumbers are TRADES...
Please explain how the difference is relevant to what we're talking about here? Seems to me both the Plumber and bodybuilder are just trying to earn a living at their chosen profession.
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If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.
*could*?
There have been a few arrests of pros. I don't see any pro cards being revoked.
Felony arrests for drugs. Jail time served. No suspensions.
Personally, if I ran the joint, I'd have some higher standards for the men that graced my stages. If you sold drugs, you're no longer welcome in my company. Period.
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*could*?
There have been a few arrests of pros. I don't see any pro cards being revoked.
Felony arrests for drugs. Jail time served. No suspensions.
Personally, if I ran the joint, I'd have some higher standards for the men that graced my stages. If you sold drugs, you're no longer welcome in my company. Period.
Are you saying Vics second place should be revoked? How does the face of the IFBB defend that?......Bob?
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IMO, don't go by heresay about who escorts whom.
Which athletes have embarassed the organization by being convicted of drug dealing?
Which athletes have felony records for DRUG DEALING, and are STILL ALLOWED TO COMPETE?
Lee's bad for the integrity of the sport because he competed in the UK when there was no IFBB UK show... but... your reigning ASC champ sold fucking drugs to a fucking police officer?
Holy shit, the hypocracy is sad here.
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Was he convicted of anything? I lost track when he left the IFBB....
I didn't follow the case that closely, honestly.
What about Kai Green, which someone once posted a youtube.com video of him jerking himself off (label over the graphic area) which was aimed at the gay community?
There seem to be a few examples out there, that go "unnoticed." That's all I'm saying.
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Are you saying Vics second place should be revoked? How does the face of the IFBB defend that?......Bob?
I'm saying there needs to be CONSISTENCY.
If you ban lee because he hurts the integrity of your organization, that's fine.
Then you need to ban members who commit drug felonies, as well.
If you have high enough standards to ban a man for life because he competes elsewhere, why not ban a man who SELLS FVCKING DRUGS?
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That doesn't make it right. The IFBB holds a virtually monopoly on professional bodybuilding. As such, do the bodybuilders really "agree" to the terms dictated to them? Seems to me they don't really have a choice. The IFBB is a monopoly and it engages in anti-competitive practices. You can't sit back and say "they agreed to it" and think you're on moral or legal high ground.
It's a monopoly by default...there simply isn't enough talent pool to make another rival federation. If there were, there would be plenty of competition for the IFBB, which would put the athletes in a much better position
Please explain how the difference is relevant to what we're talking about here? Seems to me both the Plumber and bodybuilder are just trying to earn a living at their chosen profession.
The plumber is working a JOB, the bodybuilder is in a sport based on competing...they do have one thing in common though..if they suck at what they do, they don't make any money.
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Monopolies are not allowed to engage in anti-competitive practices designed to maintain their monopoly position. I would think blackballing athletes who consider competing in other federations from the industry certainly qualifies. Too bad nobody cares enough about bodybuilding to file suit.
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IMO, don't go by heresay about who escorts whom.
Which athletes have embarassed the organization by being convicted of drug dealing?
Which athletes have felony records for DRUG DEALING, and are STILL ALLOWED TO COMPETE?
Lee's bad for the integrity of the sport because he competed in the UK when there was no IFBB UK show... but... your reigning ASC champ sold fucking drugs to a fucking police officer?
Holy shit, the hypocracy is sad here.
I hear what you're saying, but ALL sports have similiar issues.....if you took all the guys with convictions out of the NFL and NBA...the league would fold tent faster than the PDI...not to mention SAG
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Yeah. I'm not too sure about Lee, but Titus was (obviously) one very unstable guy. I think Lee is just a bit quirky, not anything actually wrong with him.
No person with a face tattoo has ever been called "stable".
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I post a simple reminder and I'm "full of shit"..? and a "company man"..?
What the hell are you talking about??
How about "This evenings event is sold out" Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.
Sandra
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How about "This evenings event is sold out" Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.
Sandra
pwned.
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How about "This evenings event is sold out" Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.
Sandra
Sold out, doesn't mean everyone who has a ticket shows, or is there at the same time....I doubt very highly your "seat of choice" was on the floor
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Chick, are you saying that every IFBB "pro" has been offered the same opportunities as you?
Yep, sure have. In a sport decided by individual talent and competition...it's up to the athlete to do the best with what they have. I was never going to challenge any of the top 5 for the Olympia, but excelled in other areas and utilized my skills to make a living from the sport.
You are so caught up in being the front man for the IFBB and not the "athletes" it has affected your judgement. It is obvious to most here that you spin any argument you can to make the IFBB look right in it's decisions, when in reality they are stopping some of the guys that aren't top 10 from making extra money.
If you're not in the top 15-20, it's pretty tough to make any real money anyways( at least from prize money) for the simple fact that people want the BEST, and the best will always get bigger money for obvious reasons...PDI was a great example of that, Le made money, so did Sami, St. Cloud...the BEST of what they had...the rest, made nothing....no different. It's not called "spin" it's called "REALITY".
If I find time, I will look for specific examples of wwe guys showing up and performing at smaller shows for you, OK?
You do that...good luck
One more question, noy being an ass, but how many times and what examples can you give, that would show you have gone to bat for specific people in the IFBB, not talking prize money, but who has run into trouble that you've helped out? Anyone?
Sure...
Silvio- had to negotiate for him not to get fined for pictures posted by Milos which violated his contract. RESULT: no fine
Don Long- although I didn't agree with his decision to compete again, I represented on his behalf tomake it a possibility. RESULT: he was cleared to compete
Lee- At his request, I went to bat and tried to get his suspension lifted the day of the AC Pro to alow him to compete. RESULT: rejected due to his previously rejecting offer to came back
Milos-Put together and submitted his official appeal to the suspension resulting from the Paul Chua allegation, this was done on MIlos' behalf as he was out of the country and couldn't be reached. RESULT: appeal rejected based on Milos' own previous admission of guilt
NUmerous other endeavors including submitting Silvio's name to the ASC as he was out of the country...and of course, numerous submissions/ proposals resulting in more money to pro's, more qualifying spots for the O, per diem increase, no declaration rule (for the women) judging changes (more rounds of comparison), etc, etc....
The cases documented here on getbig Lee, Milos..seem to point to you telling the bber to do what IFBB wants instead of you fighting the IFBB for bbers.
One more edit...by saying "how many of those pros are in the top 20"? does that mean pros out of the top 20 are subject to different rules? Thanks for your time.
PWNED!!
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Sold out, doesn't mean everyone who has a ticket shows, or is there at the same time....I doubt very highly your "seat of choice" was on the floor
So you're saying people will buy tickets to the Single most important Bodybuilding Show every year and NOT show up?
Really?
What DOES that say about the O then?
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So you're saying people will buy tickets to the Single most important Bodybuilding Show every year and NOT show up?
Really?
What DOES that say about the O then?
Some people are only interested in attending one night or the other....other "comp" ticket holders sometimes don't attend
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Some people are only interested in attending one night or the other....other "comp" ticket holders sometimes don't attend
Again, what does that say about the interest in the O?
You never hear about an empty seat during at 7 game World Series, or the Superbowl, or any other SINGLE most important event in a sport.
What is your opinion on this Chick?
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Again, what does that say about the interest in the O?
You never hear about an empty seat during at 7 game World Series, or the Superbowl, or any other SINGLE most important event in a sport.
What is your opinion on this Chick?
Guess were not on par with the Superbowl or the World Series, huh?
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Guess were not on par with the Superbowl or the World Series, huh?
That's not what the question is about... It's not a comparison to THOSE sports Bob.
Are you seriously not understanding the question I'm asking?
I thought you were a bright guy. Can't you just answer the question with what you think?
What does it say about the "sport" of bodybuilding when fans of that "sport" don't even show up for the singular most important event for that "sport" every year.
The comparison was how NO one misses the world series or the superbowl if they have a ticket.
What does it say about this "sport" when people just don't care enough to show up, even when they purchased a ticket?
What you're basically saying so far, is that these people think it's such a waste of time, that even though they spent money on it... It's just not worth it.
Is that an accurate statement?
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Bob help give the fans what they want and put Lee on stage again :( :'(
THE PEOPLE WANT PRIEST >:( >:( >:(
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That's not what the question is about... It's not a comparison to THOSE sports Bob.
Are you seriously not understanding the question I'm asking?
I thought you were a bright guy. Can't you just answer the question with what you think?
What does it say about the "sport" of bodybuilding when fans of that "sport" don't even show up for the singular most important event for that "sport" every year.
The comparison was how NO one misses the world series or the superbowl if they have a ticket.
What does it say about this "sport" when people just don't care enough to show up, even when they purchased a ticket?
What you're basically saying so far, is that these people think it's such a waste of time, that even though they spent money on it... It's just not worth it.
Is that an accurate statement?
First off, I'm sure someone misses the World Series/ Superbowl...
The reasons can range anything from "missed a flight" to got drunk, to was sick, who knows?
How many people do you believe were talking about here? There are pics out there showing a packed house....
Don't put words in my mouth....I say what I write..I dont need your expert analysis to interperet it for everyone...
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First off, I'm sure someone misses the World Series/ Superbowl...
The reasons can range anything from "missed a flight" to got drunk, to was sick, who knows?
How many people do you believe were talking about here? There are pics out there showing a packed house....
Don't put words in my mouth....I say what I write..I dont need your expert analysis to interperet it for everyone...
The face of the IFBB has spoken, dammit!!! >:(
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Bob help give the fans what they want and put Lee on stage again :( :'(
THE PEOPLE WANT PRIEST >:( >:( >:(
Its Lee you should be pissed at...he WAS on the stage.
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Its Lee you should be pissed at...he WAS on the stage.
Hey chick, do you consider yourself a sellout?
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Hey chick, do you consider yourself a sellout?
sellout of what?
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there should only be two requirements for entering a pro contest:
1) do you have a pro level physique
2) are you free of any pending felony criminal charges
by these standards Lee and Sami should be allowed to compete. Hide, Arntz and Pelletier should not.
For invitationals, the promoter should be able to invite who ever he sees fit.
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sellout of what?
everything? aint you ashamed?
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everything? aint you ashamed?
Are you drunk?
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Are you drunk?
No, im not an ifbb pro (alcoholic pro).
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Its Lee you should be pissed at...he WAS on the stage.
you're kidding right? you think any fan thinks the IFBB wasn't acting petty in banning Lee in the first place? That they didn't act like thugs by changing the suspension into a ban?
you think any hard core bodybuilding fan in Europe skipped the PDI events solely because it wasn't the IFBB?
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you're kidding right? you think any fan thinks the IFBB wasn't acting petty in banning Lee in the first place? That they didn't act like thugs by changing the suspension into a ban?
you think any hard core bodybuilding fan in Europe skipped the PDI events solely because it wasn't the IFBB?
Whoa....hold on there cowboy...was Lee a IFBB pro, competing, making money, contracts, et....or was he not?
No one forced him out, he wasn't suspended....he just decided to quit the IFBB all on his own..
You must be kidding.......
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Whoa....hold on there cowboy...was Lee a IFBB pro, competing, making money, contracts, et....or was he not?
No one forced him out, he wasn't suspended....he just decided to quit the IFBB all on his own..
You must be kidding.......
Does it have to be explained to you again??
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Does it have to be explained to you again??
Why? So far you havent explained anything, just been schooled over and over...
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No one forced him out, he wasn't suspended....he just decided to quit the IFBB all on his own..
http://blog.bodybuilding.com/OlympiaBlog/category/olympia/live-coverage/contests/photos/
"The one thing I did find interesting were the questions that were inevitable and asked by the fans about the new PDI federation and the suspension of Lee Priest. For those of you who have not followed this drama, Lee was qualified for the Olympia but joined the PDI and did a PDI sanctioned competition. This was in violation of IFBB rules and he was suspended."
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/lee-priest-denied-reinstatement-to-ifbb/
"The IFBB Professional League has denied the reinstatement of Pro Bodybuilder Lee Priest to IFBB competition. The IFBB reviewed events pertinent to his case on October 2, 2007 before denying reinstatement. Lee was suspended from IFBB competition for violation of Article 1.7 of the IFBB Professional League Rules prohibiting IFBB athletes from competing in non-sanctioned or non-approved "competition events" which:
"Includes, but is not limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, judging, officiating, endorsing or otherwise taking part in any capacity whatsoever in a non-approved or non-sanctioned competition or event. "
The initial suspension was the result of Lee's competition on September 16, 2006 in Wayne Demilia's PDI Night of the Champions.
Lee Priest was initially offered a 6-month suspension which he rejected due to pre-existing commitments he had made with PDI. Instead, he accepted a 12-month suspension.
Lee publicly announced his plans to compete in the 2008 Arnold Classic as it was widely assumed by Lee and most others that he would be re-admitted to IFBB competition after serving his 12-month suspension. "
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I just don't get how it would hurt the IFBB by letting Lee compete again?? It would just mean more $$$ for them, Lee has alot of fans, more fans attending shows = more $$$ for the IFBB, plus more magazine sales extc....
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Why? So far you havent explained anything, just been schooled over and over...
You give the saying "typical meathead" plenty of merit. :-*
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http://blog.bodybuilding.com/OlympiaBlog/category/olympia/live-coverage/contests/photos/
"The one thing I did find interesting were the questions that were inevitable and asked by the fans about the new PDI federation and the suspension of Lee Priest. For those of you who have not followed this drama, Lee was qualified for the Olympia but joined the PDI and did a PDI sanctioned competition. This was in violation of IFBB rules and he was suspended."
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/lee-priest-denied-reinstatement-to-ifbb/
"The IFBB Professional League has denied the reinstatement of Pro Bodybuilder Lee Priest to IFBB competition. The IFBB reviewed events pertinent to his case on October 2, 2007 before denying reinstatement. Lee was suspended from IFBB competition for violation of Article 1.7 of the IFBB Professional League Rules prohibiting IFBB athletes from competing in non-sanctioned or non-approved "competition events" which:
"Includes, but is not limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, judging, officiating, endorsing or otherwise taking part in any capacity whatsoever in a non-approved or non-sanctioned competition or event. "
The initial suspension was the result of Lee's competition on September 16, 2006 in Wayne Demilia's PDI Night of the Champions.
Lee Priest was initially offered a 6-month suspension which he rejected due to pre-existing commitments he had made with PDI. Instead, he accepted a 12-month suspension.
Lee publicly announced his plans to compete in the 2008 Arnold Classic as it was widely assumed by Lee and most others that he would be re-admitted to IFBB competition after serving his 12-month suspension. "
Great, thanks for the trip down memory lane...now try answering the ONE quwestion you were asked...
Was Lee not a member of the IFBB in good standing, competing, etc ?
He CHOSE to leave, get suspended, etc.....
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I just don't get how it would hurt the IFBB by letting Lee compete again?? It would just mean more $$$ for them, Lee has alot of fans, more fans attending shows = more $$$ for the IFBB, plus more magazine sales extc....
Organizations need rules. Lee should just try to find some emotional stability in his life.
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Was Lee not a member of the IFBB in good standing, competing, etc ?
He CHOSE to leave, get suspended, etc.....
he chose to compete in a contest. the ifbb chose to enforce an unjust rule, while they overlook more serious behavior (pornography, prostitution, felony convictions) by others.
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http://blog.bodybuilding.com/OlympiaBlog/category/olympia/live-coverage/contests/photos/
"The one thing I did find interesting were the questions that were inevitable and asked by the fans about the new PDI federation and the suspension of Lee Priest. For those of you who have not followed this drama, Lee was qualified for the Olympia but joined the PDI and did a PDI sanctioned competition. This was in violation of IFBB rules and he was suspended."
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/lee-priest-denied-reinstatement-to-ifbb/
"The IFBB Professional League has denied the reinstatement of Pro Bodybuilder Lee Priest to IFBB competition. The IFBB reviewed events pertinent to his case on October 2, 2007 before denying reinstatement. Lee was suspended from IFBB competition for violation of Article 1.7 of the IFBB Professional League Rules prohibiting IFBB athletes from competing in non-sanctioned or non-approved "competition events" which:
"Includes, but is not limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, judging, officiating, endorsing or otherwise taking part in any capacity whatsoever in a non-approved or non-sanctioned competition or event. "
The initial suspension was the result of Lee's competition on September 16, 2006 in Wayne Demilia's PDI Night of the Champions.
Lee Priest was initially offered a 6-month suspension which he rejected due to pre-existing commitments he had made with PDI. Instead, he accepted a 12-month suspension.
Lee publicly announced his plans to compete in the 2008 Arnold Classic as it was widely assumed by Lee and most others that he would be re-admitted to IFBB competition after serving his 12-month suspension. "
BTW, try at least getting the facts straight...
Lee wasn't "initially" offered anything.
He was offered a reduced suspension of 9 months, not 6
The offer came as a result of LEE requesting reinstatement, not the IFBB
He rejected it because he wanted to reject it...it ha nothing to do with the seminars he had scheduled as they were set up at gyms, not anything to do with the PDI. He could have done his seminars AND come back...it was never an issue
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Organizations need rules. Lee should just try to find some emotional stability in his life.
It's obvious that the IFBB doesn't enfore all of their rules, or else there wouldn't be any competitors on stage......I mean other professional athletes get caught breaking various rules of their organizations, but they usually get fined, or suspended for a few games, what have you, but what Lee did, doesn't deserve a ban from the IFBB for life...
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he chose to compete in a contest. the ifbb chose to enforce an unjust rule, while they overlook more serious behavior (pornography, prostitutions, felony convictions) by others.
I see you're having a tough time just answering the question...do you need it rephrased?
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BTW, try at least getting the facts straight...
Lee wasn't "initially" offered anything.
He was offered a reduced suspension of 9 months, not 6
The offer came as a result of LEE requesting reinstatement, not the IFBB
He rejected it because he wanted to reject it...it ha nothing to do with the seminars he had scheduled as they were set up at gyms, not anything to do with the PDI. He could have done his seminars AND come back...it was never an issue
Genius, that is a copy/paste, if you're going to whine about it, whine to the muscletime staff, they wrote the article.
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It's obvious that the IFBB doesn't enfore all of their rules, or else there wouldn't be any competitors on stage......I mean other professional athletes get caught breaking various rules of their organizations, but they usually get fined, or suspended for a few games, what have you, but what Lee did, doesn't deserve a ban from the IFBB for life...
That's the same for any organization, including the government; Clinton gets sucked off and gets impeached. Bush violates UN law and remains in office. A black man smokes weed and goes to jail. A white man smokes weed and keeps his freedom.
There are many "catch all" rules and laws that are created for no other reason than to apply them to people who upset "powers that be". If you look at any office job, you could more than likely fire any person for browsing on the internet. Does everyone get fired? Of course not. If you upset the "powers that be", would you possibly get fired for doing so? Sure...it could happen, and has happened before. My point is that the IFBB is not any better or any worse at ensuring that their organization's rules get followed than any other. Lee was an unstable brat and the IFBB decided to disproportionately hold him to the rules over and above other bodybuilders. It happens everywhere in life.
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That's the same for any organization, including the government; Clinton gets sucked off and gets impeached. Bush violates UN law and remains in office. A black man smokes weed and goes to jail. A white man smokes weed and keeps his freedom.
There are many "catch all" rules and laws that are created for no other reason than to apply them to people who piss you off. If you look at any office job, you could more than likely fire any person for browsing on the internet. Does everyone get fired? Of course not. If you pissed off the "powers that be", would you possibly get fired for doing so? Sure...possibly. My point is that the IFBB is not any better or any worse at ensuring that their organization's rules get followed than any other. Lee was an unstable brat and they decided to disproportionately hold him to the rules over and above other bodybuilders. It happens everywhere in life.
Serious question Matthew, why are you so interested in what happens with American politics? Shouldn't you be more concerned with the politics of your own country?
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Serious question Matthew, why are you so interested in what happens with American politics? Shouldn't you be more concerned with the politics of your own country?
Canada just does whatever the US says. I'm sure you are aware of that. I find it hilarious that even in world court when it is deemed that the US owes Canada money, we don't get it. Those five billion dollars in lumber tariffs won't be coming here any time soon. ;D Canada = little bitch of the US. Discuss.
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That's the same for any organization, including the government; Clinton gets sucked off and gets impeached. Bush violates UN law and remains in office. A black man smokes weed and goes to jail. A white man smokes weed and keeps his freedom.
There are many "catch all" rules and laws that are created for no other reason than to apply them to people who piss you off. If you look at any office job, you could more than likely fire any person for browsing on the internet. Does everyone get fired? Of course not. If you upset the "powers that be", would you possibly get fired for doing so? Sure...it could happen, and has happened before. My point is that the IFBB is not any better or any worse at ensuring that their organization's rules get followed than any other. Lee was an unstable brat and the IFBB decided to disproportionately hold him to the rules over and above other bodybuilders. It happens everywhere in life.
agreed...except for the part of being disproportionatly held to the rules...ANYONE who has ever crossed over to a rival federation, has been met with the same result.
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agreed...except for the part of being disproportionatly held to the rules...ANYONE who has ever crossed over to a rival federation, has been met with the same result.
Yeah... Gary Strydom's lifetime ban was certainly a bummer. ::)
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Canada just does whatever the US says. I'm sure you are aware of that. I find it hilarious that even in world court when it is deemed that the US owes Canada money, we don't get it. Those five billion dollars in lumber tariffs won't be coming here any time soon. ;D Canada = little bitch of the US. Discuss.
Quoted for truth.
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agreed...except for the part of being disproportionatly held to the rules...ANYONE who has ever crossed over to a rival federation, has been met with the same result.
Yes...that is true. But what I meant is that you could basically apply any number of other rules to other pros and suspend them, but that does not happen because they are on "good behaviour" so to speak. For instance, technically speaking, any pro can be banned from competition for substance use, but clearly that rule would not be upheld. I am assuming from Tim's post that felony convictions are also grounds for dismissal? Not sure if that is true, but if it is true, I'm sure that Victor Martinez would have it held against him, but only if he upset the "powers that be". As long as he remains on good behaviour I'm sure he will be allowed to continue to compete despite his criminal record.
Quoted for truth.
Sad, but absolutely true. American politics matter a lot to me because Canada is far from independent from the USA!
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Yeah... Gary Strydom's lifetime ban was certainly a bummer. ::)
Has Lee been banned for life? News to me...
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Has Lee been banned for life? News to me...
How long is Lee banned for then, Bob?
What are the conditions of his return?
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Its Lee you should be pissed at...he WAS on the stage.
Don't get me wrong Bob i'm not pissed, I'd just like to see preist on an ifbb stage again
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How long is Lee banned for then, Bob?
What are the conditions of his return?
There are no conditions
There was no timeframe given
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The face of the IFBB has spoken, dammit!!! >:(
Haha!
You got that right.
First off, I'm sure someone misses the World Series/ Superbowl...
The reasons can range anything from "missed a flight" to got drunk, to was sick, who knows?
How many people do you believe were talking about here? There are pics out there showing a packed house....
Don't put words in my mouth....I say what I write..I dont need your expert analysis to interperet it for everyone...
I'm not putting words in your mouth Chick... I'm simply trying to make sure that others and myself understand what you're trying to say. I don't want to say that you're saying something you're not.
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There are no conditions
There was no timeframe given
So having no time frame given, is it safe to assume that Lee can petition for reinstatement at any time?
In your opinion, how long is suitable? Your opinion, Bob, no one elses.
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Hi ,Bob
Hidetada Yamagishi is going to be banned from IFBB ??
And even the IFBB wouldn't let him compete at any contests outside of US ??
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So having no time frame given, is it safe to assume that Lee can petition for reinstatement at any time?
In your opinion, how long is suitable? Your opinion, Bob, no one elses.
Lee can petition all he likes...
Suitable is as long as they wish, after he already turned down the offer made...
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Lee can petition all he likes...
Suitable is as long as they wish, after he already turned down the offer made...
So in other words, it very well could be a lifetime ban, but since they haven't used those exact words, until Lee dies we're not allowed to call it that? ::) ::)
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So in other words, it very well could be a lifetime ban, but since they haven't used those exact words, until Lee dies we're not allowed to call it that? ::) ::)
THAT IS CORRECT, SIR...
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Attention all participants of the bodybuilding federation
Attention all participants of the bodybuilding federation
Attention all participants of the bodybuilding federation
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control
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Sold out, doesn't mean everyone who has a ticket shows, or is there at the same time....I doubt very highly your "seat of choice" was on the floor
lol..
no, it was on the first set of seats off the floor.
Sandra