I decided to post on Getbig and have a go against the flotsam who post here. Most guys my age wouldn't dream of posting here. I have a gym and interact with young guys all the time. So I can handle myself as far as debating goes. Bob has personally attacked me and I have a right to defend myself against his continued attack. It is pathetic to read the nasty statements he made about me. Sure, this is Getbig and many say awful things here. I would have thought Bob was above that sort of thing. It appears he must be feeling vulnerable because he is very defensive.
Bob tries to dismiss others by any means he can. I feel I have an obligation to keep the IFBB officials honest. Especially a confederate who was appointed to his position by his mate. That smacks of jobs for the boys. Bob uses personal attacks to dismiss anyone who posts opposing views to his own. I mean, why all the political bullshit from him about a union job? He is one of the backroom boys and just a patsy for others. I detest those who represent the drug culture in the sport. They have ruined the sport and I wonder if it can be resurrected? I will campaign for drug testing and honest contests. Why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs is a mystery. Well, we all know why they don't. However, that is just not good enough and they have to accept the responsibility of the damage they are doing to the athletes and sport. Who is responsible for the sham called Womens bodybuilding? Enough said.
Can't we all just get along? Fellas?
Funny thing is, you can dish it out but you can't take it....YOU are the one who started the name calling and being incredibly disrespectful..I responded in kind. I'll callenge you to go back and find any post where I just started attacking YOU for no reason...as for name calling... you're the KING of it, Basile....for the very reasons you list...you can't compile an intelligent argument, because you don't have the info neccessary...you ask questions, I give you the answer (which you don't like) then proceed to call me names because you're stuck. You convieniently ignore any fact I present, and then just go on to some rant which is obscure and has nothing to do with the topic....
Notice how I respond in kind to the posts and the people asking the questions, act like an asshole, get treated like one....speaking of being "above"...you should follow your own advices...a man of your age and experience should conduct himself a little better...you act like the 16 year old goofs on here, and come off like a bitter, old has been that never was.
Hank Wood-Don't forget about his 10 page Mike Matarazzo rant....
You harbor quite a lot of animosity towards any number of people.
Logging on to GetBig to find find you posting some diatribe about Lee Priest, Vince Basile, Shawn Ray, or whoever your latest victim could be is commonplace.
Yet you post something like this? ::)
Chic and Vince kiss and make up
But Chick wants a blow job, not just a "kiss". ::)i heard vince gave brutal blow jobs to melvin as well
...you should follow your own advices...a man of your age and experience should conduct himself a little better...you act like the 16 year old goofs on here, and come off like a bitter, old has been that never was.
...and come off like a bitter, old has been that never was.
Vince's point is probably that if it weren't for the drugs, he would have won more contests and wouldn't be, as some call him, a "has-been". He decided not to do them, and isn't one of the ones either dead or in marginal health at a young age.
But Chick wants a blow job, not just a "kiss". ::)
Vince are you going to keep us up to speed with your Progress in bringing some truth to Pro BB and get the IFBB to stand up and start Drug Testing all Pros for all Drugs.
Let's face if folks, if we can't get popular champion and representative, Bob Chick, to honour the IFBB rules and code of conduct then the cause is lost. If he still accepts that drugs are OK in this sport as long as it is 'not obvious' then we are doomed to remain an underground cult, complete with bizarre practices, morals and language.
It is brutally obvious that Bob is deeply entrenched in the acceptance of sordid practices such as steroids and injecting substances that he cannot represent the clean side any longer. I understand that. So he defends to the death his stature and that of his mates who he represents. I wonder if JM and BW would inject themselves with these dangerous substances and drugs? Makes you wonder. So the people who run the sport are hardly practicing professionals. That would be too much to ask.
So along comes upwardly mobile Bob C looking for validation and he found it via the IFBB. Fixed contests, crooked judging, placings for mates, the whole 9 yards. Bob cannot speak openly from his heart. He owes too many people, without whom he would be just another dude hoping to win a show. Bob has lived part of the American dream and has a nice home and family. Clearly he cannot risk what he has to change what provided so much to him. Good luck to Bob. He at least is consistent and thus can initiated nothing of value regarding major changes in the IFBB. What we need is a paradigm shift back to the health and fitness days of the 1940s up until Hercules Unchained about 1959. After that things changed for the worse and have descended rapidly ever since. Bob is the obviously partner in the current decline but, naturally, voices that he is completely and utterly innocent of all charges. Surely that stand makes him eligible for the Goodrum Delusional Award.
Well, Bob, I appreciate you candid comments. However, I feel your conclusion is false because your premises contain falsehoods.
The biggest change that has occurred re the public is that they accept resistance training. There are many fold more gyms than even 20 years ago. In Australia we have big gym chains that have good facilities and thousands of members. Surely the fans are out there. However, the drugs are not considered fair or part of sport. So the public stay away in droves.
Up until about 1990 most champions denied they took steroids. Some still probably deny it. However, when young kids blurt out that they use steroids then it has filtered down to them and the public rightly rejects the cult because of the association of drugs. If the contests were strictly judged and also a few times in the off season then the champions would have validity.
Recall that the media showed the Olympia in the good old days. Why do they not do so today? Well, clearly they cannot be associated with a group of individuals and sport that allows doping and goodness knows what else. Because of the lax enforcement of rules the Ms Olympia and other pro women's contests have just about evaporated. The Olympia survives because it is staged with the men. The IFBB and all officials must accept the blame for what has resulted from their non-testing of banned substances and practices.
I want the champions to be the epitome of physique which includes health. Perhaps more weight should be placed on aesthetics instead of conditioning in contests? That would do wonders for the sport and especially the women.
It just isn't good enough to rationalize the current practices and then claim it is OK because only a few participate or are fans. That is never going to promote the sport.
I lose all respect for bodybuilding in 1997 when Nasser clearly won the Mr Olympia and they gave it to a guy with torn muscles and a disgusting, vomit inducing stomach and removed racist tattoos.DIDNT He have a weak back vs dorians sure they were toe to toe, but one part stood out betwen the two guys and it was obviously dorians back...
After that I still follow the sport but not respect like I did. The best physique did not and does not win.
Without doing studies re attitudes, etc., no one can say for sure why bodybuilding isn't popular.
I remember when just about everyone believed that musclemen were musclebound. They believed big muscles slowed you down. Ben Johnson disproved that theory forever. Some champions can do the splits and are good athletes. Most athletes do weight training to improve performance.
I remember that many believed musclemen were knuckleheads. Thus, the saying about being all brawn. Arnold disproved that in a big way. However, the sport might classify as an exception and therefore the rule persists. There were many intelligent, educated guys involved in the sport.
I remember when many believed musclemen were homosexuals and mirror athletes. That is not true. 30 years ago psychiatry classified homosexuality as a mental disorder. Clearly, most people can get things wrong. Some champions are homosexual but the majority, I believe, are straight.
It might take a lot of work to get bodybuilding accepted by the public. The point is they have a good reason to reject musclemen now because of the drugs. I mean, why should they admire guys and girls who use those drugs to obtain the physiques they display? The answer: they shouldn't.
The biggest change that has occurred re the public is that they accept resistance training. There are many fold more gyms than even 20 years ago. In Australia we have big gym chains that have good facilities and thousands of members. Surely the fans are out there. However, the drugs are not considered fair or part of sport. So the public stay away in droves.
You know, with stars like Arnold and Bob out there why shouldn't the public accept this sport?
It is not valid to argue that because natural contests are poorly attended that the top shows will be, too, if competitors were natural. That is a fallacy for sure. Nobody knows what the potential for acceptance is if done properly.
The public have some idea of what is going on because they see various huge champions on TV from time to time promoting shows, etc. Therefore, the amateurs are not viewed as representing the epitome of the sport. The Mr Olympia is the top show. So what happens there or is allowed there makes all the difference in the world.
Imagine if Arnold could boast that his shows are thoroughly drug tested? Why shouldn't he be able to up the prize money for that show? IFBB regulations, again, designed to keep the Olympia as the premier show. Arnold lied when he claimed that shows are drug tested and even in the off season. That was balderdash and politically correct bullshit. Arnold should do something and is in a position to do something. I imagine maybe he thinks like Bob Chick and feels it would be a step backwards to do that testing and see reduced athletes. So what, I say! Make this an honest sport and then go out and promote it. We have no idea how popular it can be. Everyone who has built a large physique knows that kids and most people respect him. If our muscles are built with hard work then it can be accepted. The plain truth is that a well-built physique is an excellence in humans. Aesthetics, size, shape and so on can generate a wonderful ideal for everyone to aspire to. No one will respect that ideal if the only way to obtain it is to use drugs, inject substances and have surgery to remove side effects. We got what we deserve in this sport and we deserve what we got.
If Bob is unable to fathom this reality then he should vacate his position and stand down from representing the professionals in his sport. He is bringing the sport shame by arguing to maintain the status quo.
In 1959 Steve Reeves was a huge star on the screen. Millions of young men were inspired by his physique. In those days only a few went to gyms so no one knows the potential the sport might have if promoted properly as fitness health and physique show. The crowds come for the expos so no one can say bodybuilders aren't popular. Magazine editors have scratched their collective heads of decades trying to figure out how to promote the sport. There is a way to do it. We might not have found it but the potential is huge and should be harvested by marketers. No one can market the current crop of drug users.
That is the bottom line, Chick, there is no debate about this at all. When you can have medical, sports, and academic people respecting what we do then we will have respect. No one deserves respect if he is using drugs to build his physique.
You know, I have been affected by these threads. I am going to give my Mr Canada trophy to my ex. She has helped me heaps in the past and still runs my gym for me. It means very little to me and is getting tarnished sitting under some junk in my factory.
The success of wrestling is not quite relevant to bodybuilding. There are similarities but quite different objectives.
Imagine that if Arnold decided to really put bodybuilding on the map and promoted his own shows outside the IFBB. Suppose he sponsored his own shows out of the goodness of giving back to bodybuilding some of what it gave him. Suppose he got others to help with his show.
Imagine if he raised the prize money to 5 million dollars with Mr ASC receiving $1,000,000 plus prizes such as a watch and hummer, etc. Can anyone imagine the prestige of winning that show? Suppose he insisted that all competitors have to be naturals and will be tested on 3 occasions prior to the contest at random times? The competitors also had to pass a lie detector test.
Along with the fitness champions he would instantly have the premier bodybuilding show in the world. Maybe he could make a rule that you can win the title and prizes only once? That would open up the competition and keep it interesting. No need to duplicate the staleness of the Olympia and the reputations that were hard to defeat. What we need is a clean sweep by someone who can rise above what everyone else is doing. Arnold could direct DEA to every open contest in America and make sure there are no drug cheats there. This is all doable.
In the meantime, funds can be directed to research to make discoveries in exercise science that will make steroids unnecessary. Perhaps there are shortcuts but we haven't found them yet.
If such a prestigious contest were held I am sure the public would be interested. It would generate a lot of interest because of the prize money. Nothing like a winner becoming an instant millionaire to make something worthwhile.
If we dream then everything is possible. If we hide our heads in the sand and proclaim that no one is interested in our cult sport then no one will bother because the practices are against what everything stands for. Ben did the hard work coming up with the rules and codes. They should be followed or changed to make them viable and worth following.
Bob, I am now going to speak to you as a teacher and father. I have a certificate as a group guidance teacher in BC. When your children grow up you will have to eventually tell them about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. There is no Easter Bunny, either. Well, think of how naive kids are and how they like heroes and want to grow up and be like them. Would you sincerely encourage your son or daughter to aspire to be Mr or Ms Olympia knowing what is required today? I should hope that you would never encourage any kid to cheat and use banned substances. That is just not the way to bring up kids.Vince, step away from the dais; no need for lectures. I think that most here are pragmatists, and jaded ones at that. We know the score, and for better or worse, we accept it. Chick has made some good points, and while he may be too canny and glib for your liking, he has presented a stronger more 'realistic' paradigm for bb'ing than you. I would like to abolish organized religion but I fancy my chances are, given what I know about people(farkin' people!), slim to none. I live with it and myself. :-\
There is an ideal that many have achieved naturally and this is what kids should aspire to. There is beauty in the human body and developed muscles increase that beauty in both sexes. However, when distorted bodies result from drug abuse then there can be no ideal relating to those people.
Embrace the drug rules of the IFBB as if you were arguing for all kids out there. No one should have to take drugs or inject substances to be a bodybuilding champion.
DIDNT He have a weak back vs dorians sure they were toe to toe, but one part stood out betwen the two guys and it was obviously dorians back...
...but it does not explain the success of pro wrestling, when the drug scene is WORSE than pro bodybuilding.
the sport is: assessing the effects of drugs on human anatomy
::)
Anabolic abuse IS pro bodybuilding. The "sport" doesn't exist without it. By definition, there is no sport where the drug scene is worse.
Vince, you are a man who has lived the bodybuilding dream. You have run gyms and engineered new and innovative equipment.
Vince, you have an anthology of work including some of the most amazing photos from the 1980 Olympia.
My point is: You are a man who has achieved so much in life; so why are you now spending your twilight years taunting and deriding Chick? Don't you have more meaningful things to do in your life?
Has all this 'smack talk' about the Athlete's Rep come about because you are bored and lonely? Or do you genuinely believe he is a liability to the sport?
Not hating, just interested in understanding your mindset.
The success of wrestling is not quite relevant to bodybuilding. There are similarities but quite different objectives.
Imagine that if Arnold decided to really put bodybuilding on the map and promoted his own shows outside the IFBB. Suppose he sponsored his own shows out of the goodness of giving back to bodybuilding some of what it gave him. Suppose he got others to help with his show.
Imagine if he raised the prize money to 5 million dollars with Mr ASC receiving $1,000,000 plus prizes such as a watch and hummer, etc. Can anyone imagine the prestige of winning that show? Suppose he insisted that all competitors have to be naturals and will be tested on 3 occasions prior to the contest at random times? The competitors also had to pass a lie detector test.
Along with the fitness champions he would instantly have the premier bodybuilding show in the world. Maybe he could make a rule that you can win the title and prizes only once? That would open up the competition and keep it interesting. No need to duplicate the staleness of the Olympia and the reputations that were hard to defeat. What we need is a clean sweep by someone who can rise above what everyone else is doing. Arnold could direct DEA to every open contest in America and make sure there are no drug cheats there. This is all doable.
In the meantime, funds can be directed to research to make discoveries in exercise science that will make steroids unnecessary. Perhaps there are shortcuts but we haven't found them yet.
If such a prestigious contest were held I am sure the public would be interested. It would generate a lot of interest because of the prize money. Nothing like a winner becoming an instant millionaire to make something worthwhile.
If we dream then everything is possible. If we hide our heads in the sand and proclaim that no one is interested in our cult sport then no one will bother because the practices are against what everything stands for. Ben did the hard work coming up with the rules and codes. They should be followed or changed to make them viable and worth following.
It is relevant...almost to a "T". You believe that steroids are the reason that BB is not accepted my the mainstream, and why kids don't look up to BBers, or aspire to be one. Steroids and drugs are just as big in pro wrestling, guys have huge builds, and 99.9% of people THINK they are using steroids...yet, they are on prime time TV, sell million dollar PPV cards, sell out arena's on a weekly basis, and their fan base is 75% kids...
Doesn't seem to make a difference, does it?
Face it...bodybuilding is not that exciting. They got it on prime time TV...for 5 seconds...it tanked in the ratings never to return.
epic denial of the role of steroids!!
boredom is the reason bodybuilding is not on TV (as you stated)
drugs is main bodybuilding is a less than accepted by the mainstream.drugs use is the most blatant in bodybuilding as all sports, plain and simple.
this is fairly obvious, but most drug users/promoters of drug use tend to ignore this simple fact.
epic denial of the role of steroids!!
boredom is the reason bodybuilding is not on TV (as you stated)
drugs is main bodybuilding is a less than accepted by the mainstream.
drugs use is the most blatant in bodybuilding as all sports, plain and simple.
this is fairly obvious, but most drug users/promoters of drug use tend to ignore this simple fact.
The success of wrestling is not quite relevant to bodybuilding. There are similarities but quite different objectives.
Imagine that if Arnold decided to really put bodybuilding on the map and promoted his own shows outside the IFBB. Suppose he sponsored his own shows out of the goodness of giving back to bodybuilding some of what it gave him. Suppose he got others to help with his show.
Imagine if he raised the prize money to 5 million dollars with Mr ASC receiving $1,000,000 plus prizes such as a watch and hummer, etc. Can anyone imagine the prestige of winning that show? Suppose he insisted that all competitors have to be naturals and will be tested on 3 occasions prior to the contest at random times? The competitors also had to pass a lie detector test.
Along with the fitness champions he would instantly have the premier bodybuilding show in the world. Maybe he could make a rule that you can win the title and prizes only once? That would open up the competition and keep it interesting. No need to duplicate the staleness of the Olympia and the reputations that were hard to defeat. What we need is a clean sweep by someone who can rise above what everyone else is doing. Arnold could direct DEA to every open contest in America and make sure there are no drug cheats there. This is all doable.
In the meantime, funds can be directed to research to make discoveries in exercise science that will make steroids unnecessary. Perhaps there are shortcuts but we haven't found them yet.
If such a prestigious contest were held I am sure the public would be interested. It would generate a lot of interest because of the prize money. Nothing like a winner becoming an instant millionaire to make something worthwhile.
If we dream then everything is possible. If we hide our heads in the sand and proclaim that no one is interested in our cult sport then no one will bother because the practices are against what everything stands for. Ben did the hard work coming up with the rules and codes. They should be followed or changed to make them viable and worth following.
epic lack of comprehension skills!!
epic lack of sentence structure...
Chick if everyone knows that Pros use heaps of Banned substances why the Fuk have that Drug Rule????And all this talk about Drug use I guess it's LEGAL to use and store DRUGS.FFS the only reason this house has not crumbled is care factor.One day someone will give a Fuk and then watch the end of IFBB Pros.Remember how they ran and looked when the last IFBB Drug tests were done.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm ::)
Honestly if this was the "Official" Poster Boy for the IFBB everything would change."Steroids don't work with no diet and exercise."
It is relevant...almost to a "T". You believe that steroids are the reason that BB is not accepted my the mainstream, and why kids don't look up to BBers, or aspire to be one. Steroids and drugs are just as big in pro wrestling, guys have huge builds, and 99.9% of people THINK they are using steroids...yet, they are on prime time TV, sell million dollar PPV cards, sell out arena's on a weekly basis, and their fan base is 75% kids...
Doesn't seem to make a difference, does it?
Face it...bodybuilding is not that exciting. They got it on prime time TV...for 5 seconds...it tanked in the ratings never to return.
Hank, you pontificate and judge people all the time. Roll up your sleeves and debate the issues. Don't credit Bob with what he is incapable of doing re discussions.
Hank, you pontificate and judge people all the time. Roll up your sleeves and debate the issues. Don't credit Bob with what he is incapable of doing re discussions.
Reality has already been spelled out for you...whether you choose to believe it, is your choice. You live in fantasy land...
Reality has already been spelled out for you...whether you choose to believe it, is your choice. You live in fantasy land...
the only fantasy land is that where the
"drugs are only a finishing touch in bodybuilding" and better yet
"drugs aren't a problem in bodybuilding!" beliefs run rampant... common among steroid junkies.
btw - Chick did you sell steroids in Rochester?
the only fantasy land is that where the
"drugs are only a finishing touch in bodybuilding" and better yet
"drugs aren't a problem in bodybuilding!" beliefs run rampant... common among steroid junkies.
btw - Chick did you sell steroids in Rochester?
Yeah...I sold them to your mother...too bad about the beard.
MELTDOWN!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
*sob* *sob*
Bob Chick - "start mentioning my steroid selling past, and I'll start with my highly intelligent mother jokes!"
*sob* *sob*
The starting point is to get the internet spokesman for the professionals and the IFBB to acknowledge that steroids and injecting substances should play no part in bodybuiding. His arguments that bodybuilding is boring and a subculture are lame. We are talking about ethics here and using drugs and injecting oil is not bodybuilding. How hard is this to understand? Those drugs make the sport a sham and those who use them cheaters.Uh, Vince, Bob is here under his own name and is a public figure and you want him to openly admit as spokesman, etc. in this day and age of steroid fear-mongering that steroids should play no part in bb'ing (and it's corollary: that they now do)? :D
I hope this helps but Bob is coming across as a rather stubborn bloke who is defending his practices to the death. Clearly he is part of the problem and must be exposed and then removed from having anything to do with bodybuilding. He clearly senses this threat so attacks me any way he can. If I 'win' this debate then Bob is reduced to a cheater and apologist. Most of us already accept he is the stooge for the IFBB.
fuk are u talkin about?
You have started the fire here Vince now take it to the next level.Contact media and others with an interest in sport and tell them what you know and give them an idea of what drugs and amounts are being used and let them know that the IFBB Reward their athletes for Drug use and Abuse.You can make a change Vince.You have nothing to lose as you are not an IFBB Pro nor have any finance involved.
The starting point is to get the internet spokesman for the professionals and the IFBB to acknowledge that steroids and injecting substances should play no part in bodybuiding. His arguments that bodybuilding is boring and a subculture are lame. We are talking about ethics here and using drugs and injecting oil is not bodybuilding. How hard is this to understand? Those drugs make the sport a sham and those who use them cheaters.
I hope this helps but Bob is coming across as a rather stubborn bloke who is defending his practices to the death. Clearly he is part of the problem and must be exposed and then removed from having anything to do with bodybuilding. He clearly senses this threat so attacks me any way he can. If I 'win' this debate then Bob is reduced to a cheater and apologist. Most of us already accept he is the stooge for the IFBB.
I hope the nursing home revokes Vince's internet privileges soon.
As a former PE teacher and now gym owner I am ashamed that I needed to take steroids to win a national title. I met up with Hans Gensow a few years ago and he was disgusted that I took drugs. The look on his face made me ashamed I used anything. Hans was one of the guys who inspired me in Kamloops to start bodybuilding. He and Eric Frolek were from Germany and made a big impression with their natural physiques in that town. They were good athletes and look like Adonis and Hercules at Riverside Park.
You, Bob, on the other hand are not ashamed of using drugs and perhaps you injected substances into muscles to enhance them. That seems to be a widespread practice to get the rear delts, calves and other muscles bigger. That is the opposite of bodybuilding.
In my day it wasn't illegal to use steroids but boy was it cheating. No one admitted to using in those days because it was so unethical. That is why insiders kept knowledge to themselves and as long as everyone there was using they wouldn't dob in the others. Those of us who tried and tried to get as big as the top guys eventually gave up because the gap was too wide. You have to realize that Sergio, Arnold and Casey Viator were contemporaries of mine and what huge guys they were. Did drugs give them some of their size? Well, we will never know what contributed precisely to their physiques. They still stand out today for being big guys. The rest of us looked on in awe but most of us were reluctant to try steroids because of the risk of getting side effects like cancer. No one in those days knew what the long term effects would be so it was like playing Russian roulette and not title or trophy was worth that risk. I read about steroids in the professional journals and there was no conclusively evidence that they worked. We heard that anecdotedly they did make one stronger and bigger. If you were really strong or big people suspected that maybe you were secretly using steroids.
Eventually there comes a time in a career when the hard decision has to be made about trying shortcuts to get larger. I pity the current champions because if what many are telling us it is downright dangerous and thus insane to fool around with that many drugs at such high dosages. To actually inject substances into muscles to make them larger is the end of bodybuilding as far as I am concerned. How can that practice be justified?
I can see that Bob is trying to maintain his dignity and credibility but he cannot hope to do that. Look at the trouble he goes to in threads that mention drugs. He loves to get the last quip in thinking he is impressing the guys here. Well, if these guys are drug users then he is defending all of them so gets some support.
Bob, do yourself a favour and disassociate yourself from the professionals. Oh, I know your income might be in jeopardy. Anyway, nice thought. It would be a real pity if the house of professional bodybuilding came crashing down in a big sordid heap.
Bob, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I am innocent of all charges and you know it.
I disclosed that I took 2 Dianabol tablets a day for about 2 months then off for a month then another cycle. That was it. I did this three times in my career.
Now I dare you to disclose what you took in your career. I won't hold my breath.
Bob, I have to give you points for aggression. You sure know how to attack others.
The important thing is what guys like you say who represent the professionals. Can you be as honest as I am and disclose your involvement with steroids and other banned substances? I realize that today those drugs are illegal in your country so it would take a brave person to speak out. Did you take steroids to prepare for any of your contests? It is almost scandalous to even ask, isn't it, Bob? Well, speak out as a moral agent and not as a pro athletes rep. You did say that you are not afraid to voice your opinion.
The truth is the sport is a mess because guys like Bob Chick are running it. Oh, he might claim he is just a rep but he is one of the backroom boys because he has a vote of the pro committee.
Bob obviously cannot clean up the sport so he attacks anyone who says that is what should be done. If he did take plenty of banned substances to help him build himself up then he has no moral standing whatsoever because the argument he is using against me must apply to him as well. That makes Bob the epitome of an hypocrite.
The sport is a mess because guys like you STARTED it.....off on the wrong foot.
Speaking of points, you're missing it, as usual....I could give a shit what the guys are taking, or not taking...in any sport. People want to pay to see the BEST...and in our sport...the freaks... Not marginal, not "OK", not pretty good.
im not sticking up for vince at all, as he cant even tell the difference between reversed photos of Arnold hitting a single-arm bicep shot with his LEFT arm, but you contradict yourself a bit there.
you say guys like vince are to blame for the overuse of steroids, but then say the sport would be nothing without them. that means, you can stop the drug use right now, but won't for the fact of losing money, which contradicts what you say about vince being to blame, when infact you/the ifbb has full power in this present day to do so, but won't.
what was it you were saying, do as i say, not as i do? ;)
All of this confirms what I've been saying for years....the steriods aren't the problem...bodybuilding not being that interesting and not being run with any entertainment value in mind is.
Bottom line is..we didn't start the fire. HIS generation did. To come down on the current crop for doing thew same thing they did, is hipocritacle in the least....
As to what I've taken....real simple....what I believed neccessary to be at the same level as any other National contenders....and there was plenty I never used, insulin, synthol, IGF-1, any rec drug, tried GH twice...thought it was over rated, and over priced...discontinued it. That said...I never cared what anyone else used, and thought I actually had the advantage in NOT using such things...better look, smaller waist better symmetry.
That said...the IFBB had the power to implement testing back in the day..but didn't as the fans responded to bigger, etc...just like every other sport.
All of this confirms what I've been saying for years....the steriods aren't the problem...bodybuilding not being that interesting and not being run with any entertainment value in mind is.
Bottom line is..we didn't start the fire. HIS generation did. To come down on the current crop for doing thew same thing they did, is hipocritacle in the least....
You obviously havent been keeping up with the thread....
Vince started the "holyer than thou" routine....
I brought up the fact that he, himself had used steriods...
Had they never started it, perhaps it wouldn't be where it is today...
That said...the IFBB had the power to implement testing back in the day..but didn't as the fans responded to bigger, etc...just like every other sport.
All of this confirms what I've been saying for years....the steriods aren't the problem...bodybuilding not being that interesting and not being run with any entertainment value in mind is.
Bottom line is..we didn't start the fire. HIS generation did. To come down on the current crop for doing thew same thing they did, is hipocritacle in the least....
Okay, Bob, we are making progress. You don't admit you took anabolic steroids or testosterone or for how long. A list of what you took and for how long would clear the air here. What exactly was necessary to take to be on the same level as your competitors?give me a break...that's not realistic
The sport is a mess because guys like you STARTED it.....off on the wrong foot.
Speaking of points, you're missing it, as usual....I could give a shit what the guys are taking, or not taking...in any sport. People want to pay to see the BEST...and in our sport...the freaks... Not marginal, not "OK", not pretty good.
You think the sport would/ could be 10X the size it is now if the athletes were drug tested....that's laughable at best. I've already provided numerous examples as to why, you just choose to bury your head in trying to be "right" and win the argument, instead of taking it out of the sand and facing reality of modern day BB....just as YOU GUYS progressed from those before you, so did the guys in tyhe 80's, 90's and 2000's....bigger, more muscular and more detailed.
I wonder if the founders of BB hated YOU just as much for taking the integrity out of the sport and resorting to drugs instead of hard work and discipline...lack of moral and ethical sense,etc.....
As to what I've taken....real simple....what I believed neccessary to be at the same level as any other National contenders....and there was plenty I never used, insulin, synthol, IGF-1, any rec drug, tried GH twice...thought it was over rated, and over priced...discontinued it. That said...I never cared what anyone else used, and thought I actually had the advantage in NOT using such things...better look, smaller waist better symmetry.
Where is Bob Chick? I just got up so you have to factor in the time zones between Australia and USA.
Bob accuses the old timers of starting all the drug use. He has a point there because word of mouth and insider groups is how some of this information evolved. Scientists were hamstrung in their research into anabolic steroids by ethics committees. Clearly no university would pass a study with the protocols used today.
Speaking of which, we haven't heard anything back from Bob. I am completely candid about taking 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a few months before the Mr Canada contest. I went off those tablets about 4 weeks out but then started to lose a bit of size so resumed taking them up to the contest.
Bob seems like a huge guy. Must have 20 inch arms. If what he says is true that bodybuilders today have a choice about taking steroids, etc., then how come he can't post what drugs he thought were necessary to win even a Masters contest. I wonder if Bob is still using steroids to maintain his size? Now that would be interesting.
So, Bob, come clean and disclose what steroids you took, what dosages, and how long you had to take them. You posted that you weren't like some other pros and didn't use growth hormone, insulin and insulin growth factor. Nor did you inject oil substances into your muscles prior to competition. That is sensible of you. However, what are the necessary drug protocols that a sensible guy has to take to be able to compete on a level playing field?
Sorry Basile...had to train and make money today.And he walked uphill to get them - both ways! 8)
I will not provide a list to you, or anyone else for that matter. Spelling out a "blueprint" for others to follow would not only be stupid, but reckless on my part.
As to whats "neccessary"...that could varry a great deal...so what I took may certainly not be enough for someone else....I've known guys who took truckloads of shit and never made it out of local comnpetitions. By conrast, I've known some of the top BBers in the world and you would be shocked how LITTLE they had to use...genetics an how one responds to gear is the key...the best are the best for a reason, and it aint taking more gear than anyone else...just the opposite actually.
BTW...I don't believe for one minute that you only took 2 D-bol a day. Like all the golden oldies...the dosages get a lot smaller over the years.
Talk about steroids on Getbig is hardly a level playing field. I disclose exactly what I took, how much, and for how long whereas Bob C admits using steroids but refuses to disclose anything at all. To mask his usage he accuses me of lying about how much Dianabol I took. You see, this is dishonesty personified on the net. He provides nothing at all yet accuses me of lying. I mean, can it be any clearer that Bob Chick is not playing ball here. I don't challenge his honesty re statements made here. Why should anyone challenge what I said about something I am not proud of? Why should I say I took less than I did? That is something I never do. I never distort or change what has happened in the past. That would be like changing reality and I so dislike when other people do that. Either something happened or it did not. Sometimes people don't recollect accurately but that is another matter. I guess when someone on Getbig tells the truth he is scoffed at because so many exaggerate what they can do and how big they are.Hey Vince, you do look good in that shot..but why don't you stop antagonizing Bob. You can't expect him to spell everything out in writing. He may be in a position one day where he doesn't want to have that info used against him. If it helps..he probably used a little more than 2 d-bol tabs a day. And why are you acting like because you did a few light cycles , you have to be ashamed of yourself forever. If you didn't abuse your health and you can still get it up, just be happy. If you feel you need to redeem yourself, then give yourself 6 months, get in top shape and post your pics. Otherwise you're going to come off...bitter.
Well, Bob, I am waiting for an answer. I guess the unspoken truth is you had to take plenty of steroids to achieve your physique. Put us in the ball park. If 2 Dianabol tablets a day equals 1 unit, then how many units did you take of anabolic steroids?
In this and other threads with Bob we have been debating professional bodybuilding. My position is that drugs have no place in the sport and testing should be always be done both in and outside of contests. Bob insists this is only a small sport and the fans want to see giants on stage. Therefore, drugs are okay. The IFBB has long been against drugs and have definite rules against using banned substances. Somehow those rules aren't enforced and Bob defends that by claiming the drugs are necessary to give the fans what they want. I explain that is a pathetic justification. The pros, including retired Bob, seem to need these drugs to be at the level they are. This attitude results in the current situation where everyone is heavily using and no one seems to be complaining. Add to that the reality that if you did complain you wouldn't be able to place above 8th in any of the top contests.
I haven't used steroids since 1977 or 78 and won't again. I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.
Bob, on the other hand, is reluctant to disclose his choice to use steroids but has no problem specifying which drugs he didn't use. I suppose if we subtract that list from published pro drug protocols then it would be fair to state he used and possibly still uses plenty of those drugs. Why should he be ashamed of using steroids if they are necessary to win a top title? This is just a small internet cult and no one is paying even the slightest attention to what anyone does. All those big muscles and the guy is a wimp.
One thing is certain, he doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he always likes to get the last word in. I predict more putdowns and insults directed my way.
Okay, Bob, I need to be simple. My allegation is that you used steroids to prepare for bodybuilding contests which included your victories in recent years. Is this true?
No, Bob, you were much bigger than I ever got so I imagine you used more than 2 Dianabol a day for a couple of months.
I respect you for answering the question. That is a breakthrough.
Bob, before you log off how about clearing the air about steroid use. Do you use steroids to maintain your size even if you are not competing? Just wondering because everyone said you still look huge and you haven't competed in some time now.
Just some advice since you haven't been married long. Don't tell your wife you have business on the computer when you are debating here late at night. Put your wife and family first and don't worry about Getbig and other sites. From the frequency and timing of your posts I would say you have an internet addiction.
I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.Classic quote right here. :D
Bob, you join Goodrum in refusing to take good advice. Don't stay online after 10 pm or you will be sorry.
Bob, we both have Italian fathers. Glad you looked at my photo albums.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209989.0;attach=246085;image)
Hilarious!! LOL :)
Looks like quite the fag here!!
Not really...just shows how whacked you are for thinking it is.
BTW....genetics play the bigger part, not the drugs.....I looked better than you without drugs at 16 than you did in your heyday
Hahaha , Vince or Should I say Hank :o
Yes everyone ,Hank Wood Is in fact Vince Basile..Vince you crazy old Coot or should I say "bloke" you are killing me here how you have pulled the wool over these dim wits eyes hahaha you old bugger ;D
2 dianabol isn't going to do jack shit you fucking liar, Vince
more like you took as much dbol you could afford to take, along with any other substance you thought would help you and you could get your hands on.
your nod different than any other bb'er.
In this and other threads with Bob we have been debating professional bodybuilding. My position is that drugs have no place in the sport and testing should be always be done both in and outside of contests. Bob insists this is only a small sport and the fans want to see giants on stage. Therefore, drugs are okay. The IFBB has long been against drugs and have definite rules against using banned substances. Somehow those rules aren't enforced and Bob defends that by claiming the drugs are necessary to give the fans what they want. I explain that is a pathetic justification. The pros, including retired Bob, seem to need these drugs to be at the level they are. This attitude results in the current situation where everyone is heavily using and no one seems to be complaining. Add to that the reality that if you did complain you wouldn't be able to place above 8th in any of the top contests.
I haven't used steroids since 1977 or 78 and won't again. I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.
Bob, on the other hand, is reluctant to disclose his choice to use steroids but has no problem specifying which drugs he didn't use. I suppose if we subtract that list from published pro drug protocols then it would be fair to state he used and possibly still uses plenty of those drugs. Why should he be ashamed of using steroids if they are necessary to win a top title? This is just a small internet cult and no one is paying even the slightest attention to what anyone does. All those big muscles and the guy is a wimp.
One thing is certain, he doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he always likes to get the last word in. I predict more putdowns and insults directed my way.
Bob, you join Goodrum in refusing to take good advice. Don't stay online after 10 pm or you will be sorry.::) I think Bob is doing okay without you.
i competed with bob in 1981 teen america, and, let me tell you, i was 17, he was 15, and he was FAR ahead of me and everyone else genetics-wise...you could tell he'd go much farther...he was THAT much farther ahead of everyone.
Bob is on the defensive so lashes out. Ron joins the thread and reports that I do in fact call Chick names. Well, I am telling it like it is. Chick is a patsy for the Pro League and the IFBB. Can anyone imagine how pathetic bodybuilding must look to others not in the Irongame?
Anyone who has been around since the 1950s would have read the editorials of Peary Rader, Bob Hoffman, Joe Weider, Oscar Heidenstamn, and Bob Kennedy. These men had a vision for the sport and it wasn't what the sport has become now. I can't believe the sport needs a pro athletes rep. I can't believe that rep needs to be appointed. I can't accept that this rep explains how the athletes have a choice to use drugs and substances to compete at the highest level. Since when is that what the sport is all about?
The truth is bodybuilding has been a sham since goodness knows when. At least since the mid 1950s when Dianabol appeared in pharmacies. Who knows if some used testosterone back then? I started training in January 1959 and didn't try steroids until about March 1970. I took 2 Dianabol tablets a day for about 3 months. I got a bit stronger and filled out a bit, especially in the pecs. I tried Dianabol about 3 or 4 times in my career but never for any length of time. I concluded it helped a bit but there was no way I was going to be huge like Arnold and Sergio.
Contrast what I did with what is occurring today. Steroids are now a banned substance and the drug protocols are absolutely insane that the pros use. The women also abuse steroids and other drugs and look what has become of that sport. Bizarre, crazy, ugly and dangerous are words that come to mind.
When I began bodybuilding I was acutely aware that our sport was always knocked for one reason or another. I clearly saw that lifting weights was an assest for sports and I lived to see weight training accepted in sport and by the public. However, there remains a charge of extremism that cannot be denied. Who today can be proud of what is occurring in the sport? Would anyone want a son, friend or relation to aim at being a professional bodybuilder? The answer is a painful, "NO!" because it is no longer about building one's body but obtaining a shape and size by any means available. Competitors in open comps now need a drug adviser to know what to take and what to avoid. If we examine the men closely it is obvious almost all pros have had gynocomastia and other side effects. Instead of presenting with a healthy look, most appear bizarre with cuts accompanied by bloated midsections. Gone is the day when heroes like Steve Reeves could boast about his handsome appearance and excellent health.
I am all too aware of how the IFBB operates. I have personally witnessed how they recruit loyal associates and use rewards and punishments to keep members in line. There is no bodybuilding in the Olympics and today it is an embarrassment to even appear to be a champion. Well, I extend my congratulations to natural athletes, but I wonder how many resist the temptation to take substances when the gains stop? Why would a champion inject substances into muscles to win a competition? Whatever that quest is it is not bodybuilding.
I would prefer to debate hypertrophy training and design better training equipment than debate with Sophists like Bob Chick. As a philosopher, I am mystified why the sport has needed an apologist to defend the IFBB. The constitution of the IFBB looks good on paper but it is not followed and their rules and code of conduct is an ad hoc affair. Some rules are enforced while others are discarded. That is no way to operate a sport. Elections are necessary to provide accountability and fairness to everyone. We have witnessed some appalling decisions in professional bodybuilding contests. While we accept that beauty contests are always going to be controversial that shouldn't happen to a sport where standards have evolved and judging processes are applied in an acceptable manner.
I was absolutely amazed to visit Bodybuilding Com and see for myself what happened in the 2006 Masters contest staged in NY. I personally know Steve W. I mean, does he allow Bev to reply to emails? Talk about a controlling individual. I saw the report at one contest in New York where Steve stood up and challenged the audience! What the hell was that? Is this man now a big official in the IFBB? I shake my head. If he is then I am not surprised at what has happened to bodybuilding. The appointed officials all know how to play the game and remain loyal to those who appointed them. Bob C is but a pawn in this Pavlovian game where everyone knows what is required to get ahead in the sport.
Getbig is an interesting place. Ron suggests that I call some names. I wonder if Ron is part of the problem in bodybuilding. I mean, why should an owner of a discussing board allow others to call people names like pedophile? That is beyond the pall. Sure, the moderators remove such comments if you object to them and report them when they are made. When someone like Bob Chick suggests that I look like a pedophile then that is going way too far. I leave that comment up because I want others to see what happens to anyone who criticizes the IFBB. To hell with the corrupt IFBB. We have had to endure corrupt contest after contest. This happens in the major contests and at the local level. There were allegations made against officials in Asia. There have been charges made against officials in Australia. What does the IFBB do? They eliminate the 'problem' but keep their loyal officials and vice-presidents. It is a sham. Forthright guys who should be congratulated risk being marginalized, tarred and feathered, or banned from the sport.
If we look at what happened to Lee Priest then it is clear the IFBB is not a friend of bodybuilding. One outspoken guy after another gets booted out or silenced in one way or other. The list is growing. The first victims were guys like Sergio and Serge. Mike Mentzer was not allowed to win the Olympia. They were independent thinkers and a risk to the sport. So they were made outcasts and eliminated from the sport. Bev Francis was never allowed to win the Ms Olympia no matter what she did. I find it incredible that Steve is now part of the system that treated his wife so badly thoughout her career.
We have a former criminal who used to live with Arnold still running and promoting contests in Australia. There is no way to remove Paul Graham because he gets advice to change the name of his organization and the IFBB still accepts only Paul as the vice-president in Australia. There are no open elections. Talk about corruption! Why should any decent bodybuilding fan want to associate with guys like Paul? I stay far away from him and this crazy sport.
Anyway, most guys here on Getbig cannot read more than a couple of sentences so will accuse me of blabbing on and on. I won't be intimidated by Bob Chick or anyone else. I can stand up to jerks like Goatboy so can easily debate with stooges and the flotsam here. I recognize that there are plenty of intelligent guys here but most default to keeping things light and amusing. That is why Goodrum has become the fall guy. He entertains like no one else.
i dont think bob is one to talk about PRIME genetics, it took him how long to be a pro? and he never placed anywhere in a top show, surely he must have taken a shit load of drugs to get to become pro because he doesn't have the genetics to do it naturally.
I'm sure bob thinks he was 225lb ripped and ready for pro stardom, but i think his track record shows he was ready for the Mr big mouth and best.
Ever consider just the opposite?
Perhaps it was a LACK of a "shit load of drugs"...? I competed clean in the 1990 Nationals and still managed a top 5 spot...
Define "clean". Less than 500mg/week? Or you mean you didn't use any AAS in the months leading up to the contest, but had used regularly for three years before then, and were on GH and 'slin? You're not trying to say you were still "natural" at that point in your career, are you? ::)
Sorry Basile...had to train and make money today.
I will not provide a list to you, or anyone else for that matter. Spelling out a "blueprint" for others to follow would not only be stupid, but reckless on my part.
As to whats "neccessary"...that could varry a great deal...so what I took may certainly not be enough for someone else....I've known guys who took truckloads of shit and never made it out of local comnpetitions. By conrast, I've known some of the top BBers in the world and you would be shocked how LITTLE they had to use...genetics an how one responds to gear is the key...the best are the best for a reason, and it aint taking more gear than anyone else...just the opposite actually.
BTW...I don't believe for one minute that you only took 2 D-bol a day. Like all the golden oldies...the dosages get a lot smaller over the years.
Make money - by selling more steroids?
Bob Chick, what a surprise ! you continue your hypocritical ways...
crucifying Vince for using steroids, pointing out what he used - while keeping your stack of drugs a secret.
Since you are retired, there should be no issue.
unless the issue is avoiding the truth.
Where there is NO surprise ...is your inability to comprehend what you read.
There is no crucifying Basile for his choosing to use DBol...the hypocricy is his coming down on any bodybuilder that chooses the same path he did.
Didn't figure anyone was that stupid that it needed to be explained and spelled out...guess I was wrong.
the hypocrisy is the IFBB's drug policy per the rule book,
and drug addicts like yourself supposedly representing IFBB & bodybuilding in general.
to add to the hypocrisy, you find it fit to repeatedly mention other peoples drug use, while remaining silent on your own.
since you conveniently ducked the question, I'll ask you again:
if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?
would it be too embarrassing to reveal your physique's dependence on drugs?
The question has already been answered, meathead...go look it up in this thread. see if you can put two and two together.
Whats embarassing is your level of intellect...
I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year.
I see you have no answer. Does the truth bother you Chick?
sort of like you getting called out on your steroid dealing days?
I melted you down yesterday on that one, and for some reason those posts have been deleted ??
Chick, have little room to talk about intellect. Kissing ass is not a form of intellect.
This place is amazing because one can interact with the luminaries in the sport.
What an honour to have gh15 critique my physique from 38 years ago and tell everyone what I did and didn't take re anabolic steroids! Unbelievable!
The test of truth here is NOT what some gutless anonymous dude claims with his nonsense ideas and theories. There is no way I can prove what I did but why should I have to? Bob doesn't have enough courage to disclose what drugs he took in his career but suggests that I took more than I did. Now gh15 says the same thing. Am I to conclude that my physique in 1970 owned nothing to Dianabol if I took only 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months?
We knew the risks then because Ciba published a list of the contraindications inside each box of Dianabol. I researched the anabolics in the literature and other steroids were more effective but I wasn't willing to try any of them and no way I would try Durabolin or Deca because it was injectable. For someone to make conclusions based of a few photos 35 years later is preposterous. I don't look that great because I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year. Then I have nagging injuries from the past that make training unpleasant at times. I tore a biceps in 1978 and haven't felt like training since.
Whether I took mild dosages of Dianabol 38 years ago is irrelevant to what is occurring in modern day professional bodybuilding. Bob argues that it is okay and a personal choice to take steroids and anything else one wants. I find it astonishing that anyone associated with a bodybuilding organization can utter those words. Yet, he comes back and continues to try to shift the blame on guys like me. Talk about having nerve! Bob is in a position to do something positive for the sport and what does he do? He tries to justify the use of steroids.
Here is Bob's argument.
1. The fans want to see huge, freaky musclemen.
2. Growth drugs are needed to get this big.
3. No one cares what bodybuilders do.
4. The IFBB chooses not to test the professionals.
5. Therefore it is necessary to take drugs and guys like me should stay out of it and keep quiet.
What Bob doesn't say is:
6. If the guys don't take drugs they won't be that big.
7. If the IFBB tested rigorously the top guys would go and compete elsewhere.
8. The Mr Olympia wouldn't be the top contest, nor would the Arnold be the next most prestigious show.
9. Those contests wouldn't be popular and thus no one could make a profit promoting them.
10. The IFBB wouldn't receive the large fees that they charge to stage contests.
This is basically what is behind all the crap happening. If all the pros are using then they surely can't have many show up for the Olympia if it was rigorously and honestly tested complete with surprise testing in the lead up.
Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it. Well, he is doing pretty good considering he is a third tier guy. No wonder he defends the status quo. I am literally threatening his income if things change. I guess we are going to see more of the same because no one can get the professionals out of this mess.
vince always like to talk about his 2 tablets of dianabol use,,if that fella once and for all understood that 2 dianabol tablets wouldnt do nothing to you because your blood level wont be stebelized due to short half life and not enough tablets to raise it significatly fir any gains what so ever....iif he only understood this stupidity in his talk ....he would understand that 2 tablets of dianabol = a physiqe matching a poop,,,yes he would get little more hungry,,,yes he would gain 3-4 lb of water if very dedicated,,but in reality vince knows he is a liar,,mr canada in the 1970s had competition i think from other wanna be mr canadas,,and if he ever won anything it was on a lot more than 2 tablets of dianabol,,I have to disagree with the great GH15 on this one. I have personally seen someone gain over 15 pounds of solid, bloat-free muscle from taking only 10 mg of Dianabol a day. However that person trained extremely hard, ate perfectly and by the way this gain was only in 6 weeks. 10mg of D-bol can put a person into positive nitrogen balance. I know someone that did 8 weeks of only 1 50 mg tab of Primobolin acetate, a very mild steroid and made tremendous gains. Did they look like current pros? No. But good gains can be made on small doses if the training and diet are good. I haven't used anabolics in over 16 years but even at 5'9 and only weighing a lean 195, a lot of people ask me if I'm on drugs. Back in the 80's when I competed, I did a few very mild cycles and made great gains as well. One pre contest cycle was only 15 mg of winstrol a day combined with 200 mg of primobolin a week and I came in at a cut 190 at 24 years old. If I had been natural at the time I would have only weighed about 175. My point is that small doses can work if you train properly, diet correctly and have decent genetics.
2 tablets of dianabol would work on a guy with lean muscle mass of about 130lb and mae him gain 3-4 lb of water,,thats where it ends,,now vince although not a beast....wasnt 130lb of lean muscle mass he was quite a bit more,,
no vince did not use hgh since hgh was not available in his dinosour era,,but rest assure that he tried whatever he coupld from dianabol in higher dose than 10mg :D and nandrolone and most likley winstrol oxandrolone ,,that generation is KING OF ORALS ,,thats why they look less bloat and could maintain better shape year round because they were built mainly on orals and those orals used to be taken the way you eat nachos and salsa,,
remember they knew nothing about risks,,doctors prescribed halotestin like candys since this was the viagra of the days,,they used orals and many diff products of orals put together,,they didnt know a from z when it came to the risks and they were RIGHT there is no risk from orals ,,,it is all depending on history of liver prone problems inorder to have a problem with orals,,
those gizzles like to make you think they were all that special and had this marvoulous hard earned physiqe based on so much dedication which is PARTLY true ,,,they all used plenty and counted on orals and incorperated vet products later on into the mid late 70s i,,they had free world free everything ,,they could walk the street with 5000 tablets dianabol 200 ampouls nandrolone 5000 tablets winstrol and a lot of anavar and halo since no one cared no one knew what it was ...doctors gave it like candys like they give now higher dose of ibu prufen ,,it was stupid to even go to get it from a doctor since why would you go get higher dose of ibu profen when you can just take more of the regular dosed ibu profen? see what i mean ,,it was all there and free to use under the sun same way you use protien powder and creatine now days
those fella used halotestin and oxandrolone to make their impressive lifts ,,,you younger generation especially generaiton nothingness need to understand that it was not always the way you are now ,,,they never begged to no chinease,,they never knew anything underground ,,when they got their shit for 10 cents an ampoul ....they had a real steroid in side not some underground rat poision or pure virgin olive oil,,,they didnt have no snake oils ,,they had REAL STEROIDS AND REAL FOOD,,that is why you hear sergio tellin you he ate bunch of paninis and cuban breads and lots of beef and there was no lean beef then you ate real beef frieds,,you put it with beans on the cuban bread and ate it as much as you can,,,reason it workes was:
FREE APPROACH ,,LOW PRICE,,ALL NONE CONTROLLED ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS,,
so mr vince like to talk about how special he was and his training thecnics while in reality you can see what he was now days when you take a look at him A NO ONE,,HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE PHYSIQE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT TODAY WHAT YOU SEE IS NO AND I SAY IT AGAIN NO IMPACT ON OF HIS WORK THEOUGH OUT THE YEARS THAT PAST,,THERE IS SIMPLY NO MUSCLE LEFT,,seekevin if he take his shirt off still looks like a bodybuilder trust me on that ,,,any one of the oldies take samir and zane for example ...they still look like lifters,,,vince on the other hand DOESNT! and that shows you more than anything else that he was using aas and was using as much as he needed to his genetic limitation,,,if he had the genetic repsonse to be bigger he would get bigger,,he COULDNT,,this is what god gave him and thats the buttom line and he KNOWS IT and is bitter
This place is amazing because one can interact with the luminaries in the sport.
What an honour to have gh15 critique my physique from 38 years ago and tell everyone what I did and didn't take re anabolic steroids! Unbelievable!
The test of truth here is NOT what some gutless anonymous dude claims with his nonsense ideas and theories. There is no way I can prove what I did but why should I have to? Bob doesn't have enough courage to disclose what drugs he took in his career but suggests that I took more than I did. Now gh15 says the same thing. Am I to conclude that my physique in 1970 owned nothing to Dianabol if I took only 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months?
We knew the risks then because Ciba published a list of the contraindications inside each box of Dianabol. I researched the anabolics in the literature and other steroids were more effective but I wasn't willing to try any of them and no way I would try Durabolin or Deca because it was injectable. For someone to make conclusions based of a few photos 35 years later is preposterous. I don't look that great because I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year. Then I have nagging injuries from the past that make training unpleasant at times. I tore a biceps in 1978 and haven't felt like training since.
Whether I took mild dosages of Dianabol 38 years ago is irrelevant to what is occurring in modern day professional bodybuilding. Bob argues that it is okay and a personal choice to take steroids and anything else one wants. I find it astonishing that anyone associated with a bodybuilding organization can utter those words. Yet, he comes back and continues to try to shift the blame on guys like me. Talk about having nerve! Bob is in a position to do something positive for the sport and what does he do? He tries to justify the use of steroids.
Here is Bob's argument.
1. The fans want to see huge, freaky musclemen.
2. Growth drugs are needed to get this big.
3. No one cares what bodybuilders do.
4. The IFBB chooses not to test the professionals.
5. Therefore it is necessary to take drugs and guys like me should stay out of it and keep quiet.
What Bob doesn't say is:
6. If the guys don't take drugs they won't be that big.
7. If the IFBB tested rigorously the top guys would go and compete elsewhere.
8. The Mr Olympia wouldn't be the top contest, nor would the Arnold be the next most prestigious show.
9. Those contests wouldn't be popular and thus no one could make a profit promoting them.
10. The IFBB wouldn't receive the large fees that they charge to stage contests.
This is basically what is behind all the crap happening. If all the pros are using then they surely can't have many show up for the Olympia if it was rigorously and honestly tested complete with surprise testing in the lead up.
Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it. Well, he is doing pretty good considering he is a third tier guy. No wonder he defends the status quo. I am literally threatening his income if things change. I guess we are going to see more of the same because no one can get the professionals out of this mess.
How stupid are you? You're right, there's no solution to the drug issue. The cat is out of the bag, like Chick has repeatedly been saying. So why do you keep crying about it, what do you expect Chick to do? There is nothing to be done other than to accept it.
Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it.
+2 for Animal House reference.
Basile...Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief.
The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with some anabolics -- we did. But you can't hold a whole federation responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole federation and the judging system? And if the whole federation and judging system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our bodybuilding institutions in general? I put it to you, Basile ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say what you want to me, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!
Gentlemen!
The question has already been answered, meathead...go look it up in this thread. see if you can put two and two together.
Whats embarassing is your level of intellect...
Maybe he just doesn't want to & also doesn't want to feel responsible for someone following a cycle he used.
Also....I don't believe Bob has said he's 100% retired. he just says he doesn't have any current plans to compete.
Basile...Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief.
The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with some anabolics -- we did. But you can't hold a whole federation responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole federation and the judging system? And if the whole federation and judging system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our bodybuilding institutions in general? I put it to you, Basile ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say what you want to me, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!
Gentlemen!
Bob, you obviously appreciate that I am your master. Get a clue and cut the crap. You can bullshit all day long, just like Goodrum. Don't come here with lame posts about your innocence. Resign from that silly position you have and get some self-respect back. The IFBB is corrupt and the judges are stooges for them. Well, most must be. Suits you though, because they gave you a gift. You should and do defend them to the end.Vince. Vince. Vince. :-[
The IFBB and those who run it are responsible for the current pathetic drug invested subculture and are doing bugger all about it. Don't come here trying to shift the blame on stellar guys like me. I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades. It is illegal in your great country for healthy men and women and athletes to use anabolic steroids because they are banned substances and you come on here trying to defend your usage. Shame on you, Bob. Shame on the IFBB.
Bob, you obviously appreciate that I am your master. Get a clue and cut the crap. You can bullshit all day long, just like Goodrum. Don't come here with lame posts about your innocence. Resign from that silly position you have and get some self-respect back. The IFBB is corrupt and the judges are stooges for them. Well, most must be. Suits you though, because they gave you a gift. You should and do defend them to the end.
The IFBB and those who run it are responsible for the current pathetic drug invested subculture and are doing bugger all about it. Don't come here trying to shift the blame on stellar guys like me. I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades. It is illegal in your great country for healthy men and women and athletes to use anabolic steroids because they are banned substances and you come on here trying to defend your usage. Shame on you, Bob. Shame on the IFBB.
How come you didn't make a stand & not take the little 2 tablets back in the day?
You are a part of the problem;)
How come you didn't make a stand & not take the little 2 tablets Every two hours
No bob, you have not answered the question. Since you like double talking / flip flopping so much,
I'm sure that in your little drugged up mind, that you've answered the question.
again -
if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?
I find it amusing that you even use the word intellect, when clearly have difficulty comprehending it, or comprehending period. Then again you consider a nubain addict "too smart for his own good".
I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades..
If you must try some then do so under medical supervision.
Vince, you are a pretender!
In all honesty what have you done to try and save the sport? Have you approached any media outlets? Surely, that would be a starting-point for your crusade.
Basile, you are a fraud. You are actually part of the problem.
Oh yeah, watching you squirm and try to rationalize your own battles with steroids is just so pitiful!
Basile, you have had the privilege of working, training and competing in this industry for over 40 years, yet have done absolutely nothing to bring about change to the 'drug code'.
My question;
Vince, why do you continue to spank on, name drop, post photos, call out pros and continually highlight the failings of the sport yet do 'zip' to facilitate change?
Basile, I think you pretend to be outraged about the steroided freaks and industry corruption. I think you are just an attention seeker who harbours underlying 'muscle worshipping fantasies'!
Vince you can make change.Go down in history as the guy who exposed the IFBB Pro circut for what it is Drugs Drugs Drugs and more Drugs.I will ask you again show me one sport where they Reward Drug Abuse with Money and sponsorship.We wait the change of BB with your help Vince.
Well...just name a sport.
Again you are mixing up Drug Abuse and Drug Use. Different things. Hope this helps.
In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.
This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.
There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?
You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.
If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.
In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.
This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.
There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?
You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.
If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.
HI Vince, it was just a matter of time before you wrote this one again. Normally Paul and Arnold get a mention a bitter earlier in your posts.
I have promoted 8 straight pro shows Vince and you have attended zero. How long since you have actually been to a bodybuilding show. Hell I will even give you a ticket so then at least you will have something current to bitch about. Sorry to hear you placed so bad in your last contest, just remember your mate mentzer, all that hate and regret helped to drive him to the grave.
Lighten up Vince, maybe it is just sour grapes from you after all.
The offer stands Vince, come to a show as my guest, any time, you may even enjoy yourself.
Hi, Tony. Yes, if I lived in Melbourne I might come along and see your shows. I don't feel like giving money to Paul, though. Not that the animosity remains but I don't like the way he runs his contests. The last show I was at was to support a gym member. That Australasian was won by Luke Wood who got his pro card that day. I asked Paul why the contestants weren't introduced to the audience and he replied they did that at the evening show. Those of us who didn't go had no idea who those guys were. Contests are about the bodybuilders and we introduced everyone to the audience as soon as they appeared when we ran our shows. Paul never did listen to advice re contests and always did things with Carol. I remember one year I asked Paul about a problem and he told me to go ask Carol. So I did and she told me to go ask Paul!
I still sold 200 tickets for Paul in 1980 and the Mr Australia was in 75.
Bodybuilding could be much bigger now that there are so many big gyms around. The trouble is the drugs spoil the spectacle keep fans away.
I hate what the sport has become. Drugs were around in the old days just like today but I can't say things have improved. It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.
It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.
Hi, Tony. Yes, if I lived in Melbourne I might come along and see your shows. I don't feel like giving money to Paul, though. Not that the animosity remains but I don't like the way he runs his contests. The last show I was at was to support a gym member. That Australasian was won by Luke Wood who got his pro card that day. I asked Paul why the contestants weren't introduced to the audience and he replied they did that at the evening show. Those of us who didn't go had no idea who those guys were. Contests are about the bodybuilders and we introduced everyone to the audience as soon as they appeared when we ran our shows. Paul never did listen to advice re contests and always did things with Carol. I remember one year I asked Paul about a problem and he told me to go ask Carol. So I did and she told me to go ask Paul!
I still sold 200 tickets for Paul in 1980 and the Mr Australia was in 75.
Bodybuilding could be much bigger now that there are so many big gyms around. The trouble is the drugs spoil the spectacle keep fans away.
I hate what the sport has become. Drugs were around in the old days just like today but I can't say things have improved. It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.
Bob Chick isn't very consistent. First he tries to dismiss any criticism from me as being uninformed and out of the loop. He claims I don't know what is going on and therefore am ignorant about current practices, etc.
If this is true, and I am not saying it is, then Bob is the one in a position to do something about banned substances. Doesn't he have a vote on the pro committee? Isn't he mates with Jim Manion? Has Bob ever put a motion to them about testing for banned substances? Sure would be good to get a copy of the minutes of that committee. Not that I imagine any such thing is kept.
Bob, it shouldn't be about choice. If you are the athletes rep then you should represent the best interest of athletes and you should be speaking out loudly about testing of all professional contests. Don't perpetuate the mess just because you owe them for a contest. Have the guts to stand up for what is right and what is best for the sport.
These pleas will fall on deaf ears and you will try to make me responsible for the sordid state of professional bodybuilding.
In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.
This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.
There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?
You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.
If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.
Bob, you have a poor memory. Lee Priest asked you several times here on Getbig why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs. You could have expressed his concern to the committee.
What is absolutely amazing is how you don't represent yourself. Why don't you protest against banned substances to the committee? You are a professional bodybuilder. You should be against having to be on the drug playing field. Wasn't it you who boasted you had better genetics that me and you looked better at 16 than I did as Mr Canada? Guys like you would still do well naturally. Well, that is the boast.
Something not right here, Bob.
Hope this helps? But I know it won't. Too stubborn or maybe a barbell fell on your head.
Bob, you have a poor memory. Lee Priest asked you several times here on Getbig why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs. color]
If there was an attempted hit on Vince at least he will have his foot in the door of Media outlets.Not the best way to get attention but whatever works.Vince has no fear of the Truth.
Okay, Bob, come clean. I have to be simple and direct here.
Have you sent a proposal about drug testing to the professional committee on behalf of yourself? Surely you would prefer to compete drug free and not have to worry about side effects and future poor health. I find it rather sad that older guys are using steroids to compete in bodybuilding contests.
Isn't it all about Genetics with IFBB Pro card holders Bob you said Drugs had very little to do with it.So why not act on the Drug Rule the IFBB have written.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Bob, stop the crap and confess you accept drugs because you needed them to compete and win. Simple as that. Therefore, you acknowledge that others have the same right to use those drugs as you did.
Bob, you really are a confederate but against the bodybuilders. You bravely accept the appointed rep's position knowing you join the insiders who run the sport. Don't tell me Steve W is on that committee of stooges? You could care less about bodybuilding or the health of the athletes. You were told the IFBB can't do testing because the fans would stop going to shows. The truth is the IFBB can't risk another federation holding open contests if all the IFBB shows were drug free. Ah, the same old fear must be a platform in the IFBB.
The IFBB recruits guys who aren't too bright but who are loyal to the death for being part of the team that has power. They sell their independence and rubber stamp everything that Manion proposes. He lets them propose small changes and everyone is happy. What a bunch of patsies.
They have a duty and obligation to enforce those rules. It isn't about a prerogative.
Vince take you story and facts to the Media mention Arnold,Drugs,IFBB,No Drug testing,Rewards for those who Abuse Drugs,and the deaths and sickness in the sport,oh and tell them about the Synthol use,Criminal charges,Drug dealing,Selling Fake Drugs and the like,Not paying Tax on Pro shows.Must we go on.Vince you know all this and more.It only takes one man to make a change.
"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one"
-spock
He don't know shit, bro...he competed 38 YEARS AGO.bob kickin it gangsta and layin it down like an OG
YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME...
"for the good of the many, the few must suffer..."
-Patton
Sounds like sound reasoning if you happen to be one of the "many". If you're one of the "few", I think you'd rightly take issue with that line of thought.
Again...both happen in all sports.
Again,
a drug user justifying his occupational criminal activities.
I do represent the athletes, and whats in their best interests...in effect, I echo their sentiments and concerns, etc. To date a grand total of ZERO athletes have expressed an interest in bringing this to the table. I've had countless conversations with them, with oficials, etc...I have yet to hear of one requests to insist that testing be mandatory.
Whats in the best interest of the sport, is NOT testing.
Everyone with a brain seems to get it, no surprise you don't.
Thinking that instituting drug testing will actually INCREASE interest and attendance, only shows me you are all the things I lable you....clueles, out of touch and delusional.
Assuming you consider yourself part of "everyone with a brain",
Do you think the continued use of illegal steroids is somehow good for the sport?
Are you actually proud to lie to everyone everyday about your lifestyle?
Is all of your family aware of your illegal drug use?
The "few" do not necessarily have to be victims. The statement does not intimate that the small numebr are persecuted.
The IFBB should ban steroid use.....
unless you're using 2 dbol tablets a day
;D
I have no illegal drug use.
Chick has a script... from 10 different doctors :D
So that makes you the only IFBB pro who is natural. ::)
Chick has a script... from 10 different doctors :D
I agree with all of this.
Which means he's breaking the law... doctor shopping is illegal. Really, there's no way to legally do the dosages IFBB pros have to in order to compete. These guys that say they "have a script" are still breaking the law. The most a doc can really prescribe for HRT purposes is 100mg-200mg/wk or so, if you can even find one who will give you injectible test instead of androgel, so these guys are doing one of three things:
1) Doctor shopping - 10 docs giving a 100mg/wk script for 1000mg/wk total. Illegal.
2) They go to one doc and get a script for 100mg/wk, then buy another 900mg on the black market, but wave around the script thinking it will protect them. Illegal.
3) They actually find a doctor who will prescribe 1000mg/wk. This is highly unlikely, as no doctor is going to risk his medical license to prescribe illegal amounts. But, since there is no recognised medical protocol for prescribing anywhere near that much test, if a doctor does it for recreational/sports performance reasons that makes the script not legally valid, which makes posession of the meds illegal as well.
Whichever of the three methods the "I have a script" guy employs, he's still breaking the law, whether he's getting away with it or not.
There is one legal way to do IFBB-pro level drugs: Live in San Diego, drive to TJ a few times a week, and inject over there carrying nothing back across. Not the smartest way to go about it, but you wouldn't be breaking US law.
It's as good for BB as it is for any other sport..
Based on the wishful assumption that drug use/abuse is as prevalant in other sports as it is in bodybuilding.
This type of reasoning is typical of a someone justfying their own drug use for bodybuilding.
Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?
Only you can answer that one chick, why would you lie to your mom if she asked if you used steroids?
I have no illegal drug use.
OK, so were all all the steroids you took in your career legally obtained ? note - remember Chick you said "Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?"
You're still a moron
You still perpetuate the juicehead stereotype, that is unfortunately keeping the sport down the toilet
Chick has always been vague and indirect when confronted with questions regarding his steroid abuse. And why shouldn't he be? Being honest in this case, is admitting you are breaking the law!
Bob is not going to come on this board and openly declare his use of steroids. That would be foolish. He has a family and career to protect.
The argument is not whether Bob 'uses' or 'doesn't use'. It is obvious from his appearance that he has been a long term steroid user.
Bob's whole lifestyle and career has been built around these substances. He is not going to 'roll over' and declare to the world; ''I am a drug cheat, test me and then send me to prison.''
Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?
I have no illegal drug use.
This is not rocket science. What part of 'Pro Bodybuilders use steroids' don't you understand?
Chick has always been vague and indirect when confronted with questions regarding his steroid abuse. And why shouldn't he be? Being honest in this case, is admitting you are breaking the law!
For Christ sake, look at Chick's physique, does it look natural to you? He is all drugs. So what.
Chick fits the profile of a steroid user. That is, he never excelled at anything, has average intelligence and has never come to terms with his self loathing issues. Steroids fill the void for these insecure-type-personalities!
No one expects him to admit it, but he's gone further... he's denied it (using substances in violation of the law):
Chick fits the profile of a steroid user. That is, he never excelled at anything, hasaveragebelow average intelligence and has never come to terms with his self loathing issues. Steroids fill the void for these insecure-type-personalities!
You are correct, sir.
If you can prove any different, knock yourself out trying....
8) fuck it ! if the liver doesnt quiver and the bladder doesnt splatter ? increase the dosage cause it really doesnt matter ! cheers !
Couldn't have painted me more wrong if you tried....I've excelled in anything I've ever done, especialy any sport I've ever played. As for being self loathing and insecure...LOL...you've got the wrong guy. I didn't start BB to overcome any insecurity, or was getting beat up by girls, etc...I was already a top athlete in wrestling, baseball, football and bowling.
Again, congratulations on being the only 100% natural IFBB pro. ::)
Please show me the post where that is claimed....we'll wait.
I have no illegal drug use.
You made the following claim:
Since it is not possible in the US to legally take the drugs required for IFBB competition at the dosages required, either your above statement is a lie, or you're the IFBB's first pro who does not use these substances. Which is it?
Hank Wood...why are you so angry?
Steroids became illegal in Australia because doctors can not give medical drugs to healthy people. Doctors were also obtaining vet drugs for 'patients' which is totally against medical practices. Doctors cannot prescribe or administer drugs meant for animals to humans. The amusing thing was that bodybuilders were telling the good doctor which drugs to get for them!
We are waiting for Bob Chick to step up and be a man. What drugs did you take to prepare for the Masters Olympia in 2006? How did you qualify to receive these drugs?
I think Goatboy hit the nail on the head when he said the lads drive to TJ and get 'treatments' there. The only other solution is to get a mate to obtain gear for you.
Milos denied being a dealer on this discussion board but hinted that he was a special case and qualified to get bodybuilding drugs from doctors. It would be enlightening to know why he qualifies.
BTW, I agree with Hank's assessment of Chick's personality and capacities. Very perceptive.
Because his weewee is tiny.
Steroids became illegal in Australia because doctors can not give medical drugs to healthy people. Doctors were also obtaining vet drugs for 'patients' which is totally against medical practices. Doctors cannot prescribe or administer drugs meant for animals to humans. The amusing thing was that bodybuilders were telling the good doctor which drugs to get for them!
We are waiting for Bob Chick to step up and be a man. What drugs did you take to prepare for the Masters Olympia in 2006? How did you qualify to receive these drugs?
I think Goatboy hit the nail on the head when he said the lads drive to TJ and get 'treatments' there. The only other solution is to get a mate to obtain gear for you.
Milos denied being a dealer on this discussion board but hinted that he was a special case and qualified to get bodybuilding drugs from doctors. It would be enlightening to know why he qualifies.
BTW, I agree with Hank's assessment of Chick's personality and capacities. Very perceptive.
Chick...I will be posting some pics of you and I from the 81 teen A...look for them...I know many fellows from here are...
Mike
Steroids became illegal in Australia because doctors can not give medical drugs to healthy people. Doctors were also obtaining vet drugs for 'patients' which is totally against medical practices. Doctors cannot prescribe or administer drugs meant for animals to humans. The amusing thing was that bodybuilders were telling the good doctor which drugs to get for them!
We are waiting for Bob Chick to step up and be a man. What drugs did you take to prepare for the Masters Olympia in 2006? How did you qualify to receive these drugs?
I think Goatboy hit the nail on the head when he said the lads drive to TJ and get 'treatments' there. The only other solution is to get a mate to obtain gear for you.
Milos denied being a dealer on this discussion board but hinted that he was a special case and qualified to get bodybuilding drugs from doctors. It would be enlightening to know why he qualifies.
BTW, I agree with Hank's assessment of Chick's personality and capacities. Very perceptive.
Bob...recall after porejudging they had all competitors go outside and have two favorite poses photographed...they put everyone's pic in the mag...do you have those?
LOL...I do remember that. Not sure I ever had the mag. Jim Rockell might....
Back when life was simple and uncomplicated.
A young Vince; daring to dream!
I may have m,ore than one...if so I will send you one...was Rockell in that show too?
Hans Gensow, a German, inspired me to bodybuild way back in 1958. He was at Riverside Park in Kamloops with his Hercules looking mate Eric Frolich. Eric became a good wrestler in BC. I talked to Eric in 2000 and he said his hip joints needed replacing because of injuries suffered in wrestling. Eric was a former gymnast. Hans was built like an adonis. When he found out I used steroids he looked at me with disgust. That was very embarrassing for me.
Nowadays Chick can be cavalier about his steroid use. A Dianabol here and there is nothing so he can joke about it. The truth is rather sad and hapless Bob is in the corner against the ropes hoping I won't deliver any more lethal punches at him. The guy cheated big time to win his major titles. He can't come here and tell the lads what he took to prepare himself for competition in 2006. I find that revealing because he, too, is ashamed he had to use drugs to win. We won't learn anything of value debating with the IFBB stooge, confederate and apologist.
Hans Gensow, a German, inspired me to bodybuild way back in 1958. He was at Riverside Park in Kamloops with his Hercules looking mate Eric Frolich. Eric became a good wrestler in BC. I talked to Eric in 2000 and he said his hip joints needed replacing because of injuries suffered in wrestling. Eric was a former gymnast. Hans was built like an adonis. When he found out I used steroids he looked at me with disgust. That was very embarrassing for me.
Nowadays Chick can be cavalier about his steroid use. A Dianabol here and there is nothing so he can joke about it. The truth is rather sad and hapless Bob is in the corner against the ropes hoping I won't deliver any more lethal punches at him. The guy cheated big time to win his major titles. He can't come here and tell the lads what he took to prepare himself for competition in 2006. I find that revealing because he, too, is ashamed he had to use drugs to win. We won't learn anything of value debating with the IFBB stooge, confederate and apologist.
Hans Gensow, a German, inspired me to bodybuild way back in 1958. He was at Riverside Park in Kamloops with his Hercules looking mate Eric Frolich. Eric became a good wrestler in BC. I talked to Eric in 2000 and he said his hip joints needed replacing because of injuries suffered in wrestling. Eric was a former gymnast. Hans was built like an adonis. When he found out I used steroids he looked at me with disgust. That was very embarrassing for me.
Nowadays Chick can be cavalier about his steroid use. A Dianabol here and there is nothing so he can joke about it. The truth is rather sad and hapless Bob is in the corner against the ropes hoping I won't deliver any more lethal punches at him. The guy cheated big time to win his major titles. He can't come here and tell the lads what he took to prepare himself for competition in 2006. I find that revealing because he, too, is ashamed he had to use drugs to win. We won't learn anything of value debating with the IFBB stooge, confederate and apologist.
Masters Bob...lol.
I look at that and think 'drug cheat'. Needed to shoot needles in the butt as motivation to train.
No one gives a fuck who inspired you...
Yeah, please Basile....stop those lethal blows your firing...I can't take it no more
I'm ashamed of nothing....
You'll learn nothing because you're a fat, retarded old blowhard who can't even debate with any semblence of intelligence...
Still waiting for your outline of how BB will become popular and accepted by ther mainstream when it'd drug tested...3rd time requested.
Masters Bob...lol.
I look at that and think 'drug cheat'. Needed to shoot needles in the butt as motivation to train.
How has the Media taken to your stories Vince any progress?Like many have said mention Arnold and how he promotes a show that Rewards the heaviest Drug users now that is a story in itself.
How has the Media taken to your stories Vince any progress?Like many have said mention Arnold and how he promotes a show that Rewards the heaviest Drug users now that is a story in itself.
I assume you look at any bodybuilder in the same light, correct?
BTW, steroids don't diet for you, do 2 hours of cardio a day, lift your weights.
My motivation was being successful...and I was.
I assume you look at any bodybuilder in the same light, correct?
BTW, steroids don't diet for you, do 2 hours of cardio a day, lift your weights.
My motivation was being successful...and I was.
Yeah...he was in the men's open.
They put a pic of both of us in Flex a few months ago...
Are you serious? When you artificially elevate your test levels, aggression and focus is also elevated. Hence, greater motivation to train as 'results' come more easily. Take away 'the test' and you take away the 'aggression and focus' to train.
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Bob, you are motivated by the 'results' that come from using steroids. Being natural takes effort and commitment and a long term belief, as 'results' invariably plateau.
You choose to go the 'chemical route' because you do not like the natural plateaus and because it makes it easier to stay focused and in the zone.
Bob, if you could only accept 'you' for 'being you' then you would have no need to use steroids.
Now do you understand what the term 'drug cheat' is referring to now?
Yes.Excellent post my friend. You truly have keen insight.
This is very profound.
It is EXTREMELY hard being successful in endeavors in which few actually excel.
I mean, you can be successful eating your lunch each day.
Millions are successful this way.
But to become a champion in ANYTHING...a WORLD champion....it takes much more than the one thing so many are caught upon here....
Are you serious?
When you artificially elevate your test levels, aggression and focus is also elevated. Hence, greater motivation to train as 'results' come more easily.
Take away 'the test' and you take away the 'aggression and focus' to train.
Bob, you are motivated by the 'results' that come from using steroids. Being natural takes a different kind of effort and commitment; as 'results' invariably plateau.
You choose to go the 'chemical route' because you do not like the natural plateaus.
Bob, if you could only accept 'you' for 'being you' then you would have 'no need' to use steroids.
Now, do you understand what the term 'drug cheat' is referring to ?
Why shouldn't the public accept natural, muscular physiques? They surely don't accept the drug assisted ones.
Steeve Reeves as Hercules was hugely popular in 59-60. Millions of guys like myself were inspired to look like him. I doubt many young guys want to look like Yates, Coleman or Cutler.
I had plenty of motovation as I trained and competed for many years drug free...the motivation doesn't increase or decrease with the use of drugs...It's obviuos you've never stepped on a competitive stage...
I chose the "chemical route" for the simple fact that it was necessary in order to be competitive with everyone else who chose that route...an even playing field.
If everyone is using, then no one is cheating.
I chose the "chemical route" for the simple fact that it was necessary in order to be competitive with everyone else who chose that route...an even playing field.
If everyone is using, then no one is cheating.
Bob, you must be the only athletes rep in sport who can make this disgraceful statement.
Why shouldn't the public accept natural, muscular physiques? They surely don't accept the drug assisted ones.
Steeve Reeves as Hercules was hugely popular in 59-60. Millions of guys like myself were inspired to look like him. I doubt many young guys want to look like Yates, Coleman or Cutler.
Excellent post my friend. You truly have keen insight.
Here is a question for you Bob are steroids banned by the IFBB????Simple question.Then if so how the Fuk can EVERYONE FUKIN USE THEM????.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Same way people cheat on their taxes...don;t get caught.
i have a question... if some pro actually showed or filmed when he was injecting some kind of steroid to his body... would the ifbb do something about it?
Why shouldn't the public accept natural, muscular physiques? They surely don't accept the drug assisted ones.shut up old man
Steeve Reeves as Hercules was hugely popular in 59-60. Millions of guys like myself were inspired to look like him. I doubt many young guys want to look like Yates, Coleman or Cutler.
Bob, you must be the only athletes rep in sport who can make this disgraceful statement.
Still looking for your answer.....5th time asked.
no
Whatever does how popular bodybuilding is have to do with the issue of allowing banned substances to be used by athletes? I do care about bodybuilding and know it can be more popular. It needs companies who will spend money on ads, etc. At the moment supplement companies spend a lot of money because they make money through bodybuilders. It is another thing when the general public are involved. How is any company going to profit from promoting drugged athletes? The cleanup must precede any progress in the appeal of the public. The damage done is almost irreversible. Musclemen can now be dismissed because they used drugs to get big. The old issues of being dumb, musclebound, egotistic and perhaps gay are not needed. These guys use drugs to get big so why should anyone respect or admire them? The fact that 'everyone' uses those drugs completely condemns the whole sport.
Bob is openly bringing the sport of bodybuilding into disrepute by saying that it is okay to use drugs as long as everyone else is doing so. No IFBB award for services to bodybuilding for Bob Chick!
I trained for 11 years before trying anabolics. Not many pros can say that today. Bob can't disclose what he or anyone else 'had' to take to be competitive on the playing field. The truth is he would be totally embarrassed by any accurate disclosure. Especially shameful is the length of time these dangerous protocols were followed.
Bob, you won't answer the question I asked you. I am candid about my drug use that I regret. You won't say much except that you took the chemical path to win titles. What exactly is that chemical route? Surely 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months is not going to prepare you for a top open title today?vince you could go on 15 grams of testosterone a week, 5 grams deca a week, and 200mg dbol a day, with 35 iu's gh per day as well...train your ass off for 15 years straight, eat 500 grams of protein daily...IN YOUR PRIME, and you still wouldnt look half as good as the current top 6 in the olympia
The constitution of the IFBB insists that no banned substances be used in the sport. That some people in the IFBB and pro committee do not enforce those rules is hardly their prerogative. It is their duty to not support these drugs or condone their use. You bring the sport of bodybuilding down by being so cavalier and 'practical' about anabolic steroids and other drugs. Stand up for something good. Do not justify those drugs. I would rather see clean contests instead of those shams you call bodybuilding contests today. There is not that much building involved.
We won't have to worry about the popularity of the sport once it is totally cleaned up. Resign your position if you don't have the integrity to comply with the code of ethics.
Bob, you won't answer the question I asked you. I am candid about my drug use that I regret. You won't say much except that you took the chemical path to win titles. What exactly is that chemical route? Surely 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months is not going to prepare you for a top open title today?
The constitution of the IFBB insists that no banned substances be used in the sport. That some people in the IFBB and pro committee do not enforce those rules is hardly their prerogative. It is their duty to not support these drugs or condone their use. You bring the sport of bodybuilding down by being so cavalier and 'practical' about anabolic steroids and other drugs. Stand up for something good. Do not justify those drugs. I would rather see clean contests instead of those shams you call bodybuilding contests today. There is not that much building involved.
We won't have to worry about the popularity of the sport once it is totally cleaned up. Resign your position if you don't have the integrity to comply with the code of ethics.
Basile, why are you ducking and weaving Bob's question? Your convoluted posts are only designed to bamboozle, because you don't have the answer.When are you knock the end or bean stalk is right on top of hullabaloo full idiot! >:(
Oh yeah, you appear to be 'haunted' by your past drug-use Vince. Bottom line, you did 'use'. Making your intentions and motivations no different than that of the Pro's today!
And yes, i take back what i said earlier; turning up to a stranger's funeral and taking pics of his grandson is down right insidious, creepy and has 'internet stalker' written all over it!
Basile, when you have finished answering Bob's question, i have a few of my own:I would like to see these questions answered? RIP to your/my dead grandparents, but if i was to show up to one of your Grandparents funeral and say "Hey man, Im Quickerblade from Getbig just came to say hi" i would expect to be thrown out for disrespect.
What were you thinking when you decided to crash the funeral of a dead grandfather you never knew?
What do you intend doing with the photos you took of Lee and his family?
Did you introduce yourself to the family as an internet-friend of Lee's?
Do you think you have taken this whole Getbig-family thing to a new low?
Are you aware of recently passed 'internet stalking legislation'?
What were you thinking when you decided to crash the funeral of a dead grandfather you never knew?
I wanna know what Vince wore to the funeral. Another white tiger shirt perhaps?webke_112 u seem like a cool character! but if you showed up to my grandparents funeral and said "Im webke_112 from getbig, i heard your grand dad died" i'd call the cops and charge u for stalking. hahahhaaha...(im speaking hypothetically of course)
webke_112 u seem like a cool character! but if you showed up to my grandparents funeral and said "Im webke_112 from getbig, i heard your grand dad died" i'd call the cops and charge u for stalking. hahahhaaha...(im speaking hypothetically of course)
It was nice of Vince to pass on his condolences, but going to the funeral was a bit too much. Still, Vince was just trying to show support to Lee and his family.
Look, as i stated earlier Vince is an eccentric character. Getbig has become his family. Turning up to the funeral is what family do, albeit 'an internet family'.
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In summary, Vince believes in his mind he is 'related' because he is part of the Getbig-family! And yes, family is family!
I wrote to Lee and apologized if I wasn't welcome there. I doubt Owen would have minded. The stories I heard about him made me respect and admire the guy. Lee is a chip off that block and it was great to see the sensitive side of Lee who spoke with much feeling after losing his cherished grandfather. He lost his grandmother about 5 months ago so it was doubly hard to lose Owen.Jesus christ, you know your wrong for attending thats why you wrote to him, what kind of leech are you, u drove 2 hours to attend a funeral u werent welcome to, then u claim "i doubt Owen would have mind" do you communicate with dead people to!
Who the hell takes a camera to a funeral anyway?
The internet friend who just showed up... ::)hahaha i just came back from the 50 cent concert, i think i saw vince there too with a camera..seriously a lot of us get along with eachother but as i said before if i found out that one of you guys showed up to my grandparents funeral and came up to me "Hey quickerblade, i hate fat people and sorry bout your grandfather" you better believe you wont be leaving unscathed, that shit is low, how the fuck do i introduce you to my family "Hey guys, this is my internet friend from getbig.com he has 1300 posts, he wishes grand dad the best, lets all get together so he can take a pic"
I had plenty of motovation as I trained and competed for many years drug free...the motivation doesn't increase or decrease with the use of drugs...It's obviuos you've never stepped on a competitive stage...
I chose the "chemical route" for the simple fact that it was necessary in order to be competitive with everyone else who chose that route...an even playing field.
If everyone is using, then no one is cheating.
There is one legal way to do IFBB-pro level drugs: Live in San Diego, drive to TJ a few times a week, and inject over there carrying nothing back across. Not the smartest way to go about it, but you wouldn't be breaking US law.
shut up old manYou must get a better oculist, dude. The man is still an icon for a reason. ::)
steve reeves looks fucking average to me
devot emy life, to building an average looking, human looking body?
fuck off dip shit
2 dbol per day my ass
2 dbol is appetizer
No, it's not the same or like that anymore. That type of thinking is now 'history'. Seems like more than 95% of the shit down there is now fake & for some reason, there's a big crack down on that down there. There's still alot of Vet supplies down there if you can find a real Vet Dr.
That's why I said "not the smartest way to go about it". But what I said about not breaking US law holds true.
The biggest challenge now is finding a source that isn't counterfeit now that the US govt has gone after the foreign manufacturers.
True...not breaking any US laws but you may be breaking some new Mexico laws that are coming out.
Mexico is considering making AAS a controlled substance?? Are you serious??
It pisses me off that our government is able to twist the arms of foreign governments to make them match our bullshit laws. It used to be I didn't mind bullshit US laws too much, because I knew all I had to do to avoid them is cross a border. It scares me the direction our world is heading lately.
Well, it's been discussed. Every once in awhile, I'll read it in the news on the internet. You are exactly right though, it's being discussed to appeased the US government. I will bet...that if something is 'first to go'...it will be that. Because of the computer age, going across the border to obtain steroids was becoming more obsolete. The crack down on some of the manufactures made it more difficult. Legal prostitution will be the last to go. Thats where they make most of their economy as you can only tint so many windows & sell so many chicklets. Their government is still very corrupt, but, the people want change. The government (like the mob) has their hands in a lot of people pockets. When they finally weed some of these guys out, there will be more change.
Why did you do it, Basile?
Still looking for your answer.....5th time asked.
Well Bob, I will chime in here on how drug tested show could be a success.En prenant une pause des sites discutables vous flânez d'habitude sur ? Le fait de Baiser le Morceau de merde! >:(
If a big celeb name like Arnold put his name and $$ into a drug tested Arnold Classic, complete with all the production and media hype he could bring, it would be a GREAT contest. Plus, Arnold could sell "natural BB" as the new ideal for the 21st century. The emphasis could be on classic lines and cuts more than mass.
Anything short of that input would crash and burn of course.
En prenant une pause des sites discutables vous flânez d'habitude sur ? Le fait de Baiser le Morceau de merde! >:(
En prenant une pause des sites discutables vous flânez d'habitude sur ? Le fait de Baiser le Morceau de merde! >:(to which I reply....hamma , llama, ding dong
to which I reply....hamma , llama, ding dongThe stupid ones are always the sick pos's.
Gibt es etwas GoatShit?
Only fags speak French. If you want to speak a non-English language, how 'bout picking something more manly, like German or Spanish?
Gibt es etwas GoatShit?
;)
Yes, there is something.
Better choice on the language, though. :D
If a name like Arnolds could sell Weider Protein powder...Exactly and , if and only if , he CHOSE to , sell natural bodybuilding
he could sell anything
Exactly and , if and only if , he CHOSE to , sell natural bodybuildingSie noch hier Sie krankes Stück des Scheiße-Kinderbelästigers. >:(
Exactly and , if and only if , he CHOSE to , sell natural bodybuilding
Well Bob, I will chime in here on how drug tested show could be a success.
If a big celeb name like Arnold put his name and $$ into a drug tested Arnold Classic, complete with all the production and media hype he could bring, it would be a GREAT contest. Plus, Arnold could sell "natural BB" as the new ideal for the 21st century. The emphasis could be on classic lines and cuts more than mass.
Anything short of that input would crash and burn of course.
Didn't know there were "required dosages"...apparently, you do..please tell us all what they are.
Steroids are legal with a prescription...end of story. If the Dr. is putting himself in any type of jeopardy, thats HIS problem...not mine.
I don't have to "step up" for you, or anyone else for that matter...I've already explained, I will not under any circumstances...disclose a template, a blueprint, or a recipe for anyone else to use.....they're on their own to do what they wish.
Still waiting for you to answer ONE single question asked of you, Basile....I see you're incapable of doing so. Pretty much sums up your stance on the subject.
If it makes you sleep better at night...I took 2 dianabol a day here and there.
So now all the steroids you consumed were obtained legally via a prescription?Chick this guy has a Major hard on for you. If you ever meet him make sure not to expose your backside. ;)
what did the prescrition say "10g of test for bodybuilding and gay 4 pay purposes" ?
I don't have to "step up" for you, or anyone else for that matter...I've already explained, I will not under any circumstances...disclose a template, a blueprint, or a recipe for anyone else to use.....they're on their own to do what they wish.
Still waiting for you to answer ONE single question asked of you, Basile....I see you're incapable of doing so. Pretty much sums up your stance on the subject.
If it makes you sleep better at night...I took 2 dianabol a day here and there.
I assume you look at any bodybuilder in the same light, correct?
BTW, steroids don't diet for you, do 2 hours of cardio a day, lift your weights.
My motivation was being successful...and I was.
So now all the steroids you consumed were obtained legally via a prescription?
what did the prescrition say "10g of test for bodybuilding and gay 4 pay purposes" ?
steroids also don't guarentee a fixed contest win, but Bob received one.WTF is wrong with you, are you jealous, get off the guys dick you fuckin homo!
Are you scared of being linked to illegal drugs Chick?
but wait, you had a prescription, right?
You refuse to answer because you don't have an answer....you're full of hot air as usual. The topic at hand has nothing to do with what I choise to use or not use, and has no bearing on what YOU stated...
Is 10g the average amount the bodybuilders take that you pay to be with?
chicky poo, you are melting on me again I hope.. like the other day when asked about your Rochester steroid dealing days..
You are correct. Give the man a prize.
Are you SUGGESTING he might be a bit deficient in checking the ID's of his dates? :o
You are correct. Give the man a prize.
Chick is obviously ashamed of using a lot of anabolics to prepare for his contests. I understand that because he is a public identity and has a lot to lose. Getbig should be an honest place but it isn't that when some disclose precisely and completely what they have done and others are vague and avoid any specific disclosure. I guess if you have to use a lot of drugs to get big you don't develop much backbone re character along the way. A pity.
Chick is obviously ashamed of using a lot of anabolics to prepare for his contests. I understand that because he is a public identity and has a lot to lose. Getbig should be an honest place but it isn't that when some disclose precisely and completely what they have done and others are vague and avoid any specific disclosure. I guess if you have to use a lot of drugs to get big you don't develop much backbone re character along the way. A pity.STFU, Chick is more successful in life and his career than you will ever be Mr. Cannuck 1770. Get over it Old man!! Fuckin hater!!
Chick is obviously ashamed of using a lot of anabolics to prepare for his contests. I understand that because he is a public identity and has a lot to lose. Getbig should be an honest place but it isn't that when some disclose precisely and completely what they have done and others are vague and avoid any specific disclosure. I guess if you have to use a lot of drugs to get big you don't develop much backbone re character along the way. A pity.
Well Bob, I will chime in here on how drug tested show could be a success.You haven't thought this through. Again. So do you really think the Arnold will get more popular when the physiques will be much better at the Olympia?
If a big celeb name like Arnold put his name and $$ into a drug tested Arnold Classic, complete with all the production and media hype he could bring, it would be a GREAT contest. Plus, Arnold could sell "natural BB" as the new ideal for the 21st century. The emphasis could be on classic lines and cuts more than mass.
Anything short of that input would crash and burn of course.
You haven't thought this through. Again. So do you really think the Arnold will get more popular when the physiques will be much better at the Olympia?Howard doesn't think that is the problem with insanity!
Gene Kelly back from the dead... LOL that is funny Bob, good zinger ;)Schließen Sie das Bumsen bereits Sie Scheißstück des Scheiße-Kindes, das Schaum der Erde belästigt!
I don't watch that lame Dancing With The Stars, but even if we are NOT interested , it is a major show with millions that do because it has celebs and media hype, etc.
All I saying is that a major celeb like Gov Arnold, could sell a drug tested bodybuilding contest and have it expand into major media outlets BETTER than the current one.Why?
He could use his political savy and tap into the "anti- steroid", "roids are evil" feelings of the general public.
They could show some celebs and various pro sports athletes that train "drug free". They would sell the idea of what a great , classic male and female physique really is. A lot of the hardcore crowd would hate it of course, but for every hardcore type they lost, it would be replaced by 5 or more NEW fans.
It could be billed as " America's Best Bodies" and be a whole new format.
By going mainstream GOLD's will be bigger then ever, but they pissed off a lot of the hardcore crowd.
For example, Branch Warren trains as hardcore as possible, but his personal training gym is an upscale, modern place.
Yes, Bob, I agree with you , that bodybuilder AS WE KNOW IT TO BE is meant to be a cult sport.
I love some aspects of that despite my feelings about extreme drug use.
That is why I think the power of a major celeb like Arnold , along with the right media hype and whole new direction would jump start bodybuilding into the mainstream.
Yeah...and I supposeFIFY :)Gene KellyFred Astaire could come back from the dead to promote the NEW and IMPROVED ballroom dancing....and I STILL wouldn't be interested or attend.
People simply don't care and arent interested...PERIOD. They won't be more interested when the physiques are 20 lbs. lighter
Vince....
If Bob won't say it...I'll repeat it since I am smart enough to read his statement & understand it...
He doesn't want to post his cycle for the reason.....
HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE WANTING TO FOLLOW HIS CYCLE.
For example....you tell people that you did 2 tablets of dbol a day. Imagine if someone read that..followed your advice to be a hulking Vince wannabe, & accidently hurt themself in the process because they followed your advice instead of a Dr's advice?
get it?
Tha main thing is,Bob is cool,and Vince is a tool.LOL yeah
Vince....
If Bob won't say it...I'll repeat it since I am smart enough to read his statement & understand it...
He doesn't want to post his cycle for the reason.....
HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE WANTING TO FOLLOW HIS CYCLE.
For example....you tell people that you did 2 tablets of dbol a day. Imagine if someone read that..followed your advice to be a hulking Vince wannabe, & accidently hurt themself in the process because they followed your advice instead of a Dr's advice?
get it?
Tha main thing is,Bob is cool,and Vince is a tool.
Bob never told people to use gear, and there is no way in hell Vince should ask him about any drugs he`s ever taken,even though he did list his own 10 mg. D-Bol usage.
Bob is not obliged to do the same and I don`t think he should.
Who is Vince to even ask him this?
Vince likes to push Bobs buttons, but I`m betting Bob is laughing while Vince thinks he`s really needling him.
Vince, do you see the reoccurring theme here? Yes, no one values your ideas on 'drug reform' because you yourself used and abused these drugs.Vince is an old bore just like Howard.
Basile, people just do not respect your hypocritical stance.
I can draw an analogy to your views and that of the catholic priest.
Gee, maybe that is why Bob enjoys gloating about being a pro so much.
He gets paid to do what he excels at:
1) using illegal drugs
2) lying
I get paid to lift weights, represent bodybuilding.com, Weider/ AMI, write articles, MC shows, host a radio show, travel..... generally be an ambassador for BB....you get to show up and work 9-5 doing something you probably don't like....Chick, would you travel over 2 hours to attend a funeral of a man you never met?
Jealousy sucks, doesn't it?
Chick, would you travel over 2 hours to attend a funeral of a man you never met?
Chick, would you travel over 2 hours to attend a funeral of a man you never met?are you implying our demented tiger tee shirt wearing friend "Vince" is a sociopath Quicker?
are you implying our demented tiger tee shirt wearing friend "Vince" is a sociopath Quicker?does it really need to be implied! you could ask 20 people if they would attend a funeral of a man ( and drive over 2 hours for it) that they never met or knew & they will all say no , and the only way Vince had a association was cause he use to post on the same board as his grandson...
does it really need to be implied! you could ask 20 people if they would attend a funeral of a man ( and drive over 2 hours for it) that they never met, knew and the only way they had a association was cause he use to post on the same board as his grandson.maybe Vince is lonely.
maybe this iron ager took too much dianabol to win Mr. SnowCap 1836?you better watch out Mass or Vince will post a 65,000 word thesis about the equipment he's built, the contests he's entered, all the old bodybuilders who's gym bags he carried................. ......err i mean "trained with" and all the cool pink and blue colors he painted said equipment, aren't you the least bit worried? ;D
you better watch out Mass or Vince will post a 65,000 word thesis about the equipment he's built, the contests he's entered, all the old bodybuilders who's gym bags he carried................. ......err i mean "trained with" and all the cool pink and blue colors he painted said equipment, aren't you the least ;D bit worried?hahah i'm shivering thinking about his purple colored "retort". ;D
Gotta love the IFBB the ONLY sport org in the Fukin world that openly knows it members take ILLEGAL Drugs and BANNED Substances yet still have a anti Drug Rule.FFS the Pros even say Oh I only take this much not as much as you think.Well you clowns it's Fuking ILLEGAL.If I am wrong walk into any Police station and tell them you have steroids at home and inject them daily but it's OK the IFBB DON'T test Pros see what the cops do.IDIOTS.
EVERY sport knows their athletes take shit...and every sport has an anti-drug rule, which is rarely enforced (if at all).exactly, yet you won't hear "meltdown" rail on about guys like Vernon Gholston or the guys in the NFL who obviously juice, for some reason the geeks always pick out bodybuilders as the only juicers. ::)
Gotta love the IFBB the ONLY sport org in the Fukin world that openly knows it members take ILLEGAL Drugs and BANNED Substances yet still have a anti Drug Rule.FFS the Pros even say Oh I only take this much not as much as you think.Well you clowns it's Fuking ILLEGAL.If I am wrong walk into any Police station and tell them you have steroids at home and inject them daily but it's OK the IFBB DON'T test Pros see what the cops do.IDIOTS.
two dbol
;D ;D ;D ;D
i will not !
the better i look, the worse i look ! get it?
probably not.. its hard to explain.
Listen to all the anger pouring out of Hank Wood. He is lucky he has a forum where he can release his pent up emotions on hapless members here. One day Hank is praising you and the next he is blasting you.
The point I am making is that perhaps others can enjoy the success that Bob has if they go the chemical route.How was the 2 hour route to newcastle, to go to a funeral your were not invited to with camera in hand?
The point I am making is that perhaps others can enjoy the success that Bob has if they go the chemical route.
I don't consider myself a philosopher but I have always admired great thinkers. I am a student of ethics and the philosophy of science.
I have wondered about what to do to make a change. I have looked at the DEA site in America and wondered if something can be done there. What bothers me about that is steroids are in a totally different class to the mind altering drugs that are illegal such as cocaine and heroin. The DEA has no right to enforce silly legislation against people who want more muscle. Well, they have a duty to enforce the law but obviously they are doing very little re steroids.
The legal road would be an expensive one. I was wondering if some government body might support a challenge. There is no way an individual can afford to challenge the IFBB. Not with the Weider fortune behind them. Not that Ben or Joe would want to spend anything if they didn't have to!
I thought about the media and wondered who out there would want to take this torch and support the campaign. A politician might want to get exposure for helping to clean up a sport. The trouble is most people don't want to be associated with bodybuilding and brawy guys. It is a big ask.
I hesitate because I am not that informed about the actual drug use by the pros. I never talk to bodybuilders about drugs. When Ray Mentzer was living at my place I never asked him what he took. I can't speak as an informed authority about the depth of what is going on. In this thread Bob is keeping us in the dark. I can't rely on information posted by gh15. Unless I have a candid pro onside I really can't say I know what I am talking about. It is one thing to say that guys are using this and that but another to actually know it and have proof. If the press interviewed a guy like Bob he could easily convince them that I knew nothing about what the pros are doing.
The point I am making is that perhaps others can enjoy the success that Bob has if they go the chemical route.
I don't agree, a drug is a drug!
Addiction is addiction; it is real and destructive! I can't believe you would say that?
Steroids, like cocaine are addictive. Athletes talk about the rush they feel, and the subsequent euphoria, after they have 'shotten' up gear!
A steroid user will suffer similar side effects to that of a recreational drug user; mood swings, hormonal changes and organ damage.
Athletes who use steroids oftern talk about the 'window' being left open to 'investigate and use' other recreational drugs.
Many would agree that if you are going the route of sticking needles in your butt then using 'other drugs' is not that much of an issue!
-Vince, your idea of a DEA probe is a good one. Imagine if the DEA showed up at every Pro Event and started harassing the participants; the confidence and credibility of the sport would disappear overnight!
How on earth can Arnold have a contest in his name and attend and speak there and it not be drug tested? Only in America. Corruption exists and mates help each other. There is no other explanation why professional bodybuilding is not tested. If Arnold wasn't high up in the conservative government I doubt the DEA would be so lax. Imagine if the DEA showed up and everyone had to be tested! It would end professional bodybuilding in one hit. Everyone disqualified and the IFBB deregistered as an organization.
hahahaha
Basile, you need to 'hang off the nuts' of the DEA. The same way you hang off Lees! Then, and only then will we see real long term changes to the drug-code!
What if the DEA showed up at the Olympia and tested everyone before the competition.
If anyone knows me they would know I don't like clandestine activities. I would be out in the open about this. I will see what I can do. I need to make some enquiries. I have a voip phone so it doesn't cost much to call overseas.
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Vince, please follow through with this!
I get paid to lift weights, represent bodybuilding.com, Weider/ AMI, write articles, MC shows, host a radio show, travel..... generally be an ambassador for BB....you get to show up and work 9-5 doing something you probably don't like....
Jealousy sucks, doesn't it?
If anyone knows me they would know I don't like clandestine activities. I would be out in the open about this. I will see what I can do. I need to make some enquiries. I have a voip phone so it doesn't cost much to call overseas.
EVERY sport knows their athletes take shit...and every sport has an anti-drug rule, which is rarely enforced (if at all).
This is bullshit Arnold does not have the DEA in his pocket!
The DEA showed up at the Arnold classic one year. Short memory.
Vince invented calling the DEA.
If Basile can find the time in his busy schedule to attend the funeral of a person he has never met, then i think he can find the time to phone the DEA !
Vince is very thick-skinned.lets get back to the funeral please!
I personally believe that Basile's notoriety on the boards will only stengthen if he does in fact make the call to the DEA; as he promised.
Basile could potentially shut down the IFBB. He has information that could end this organisations monopoly.
Yes Vince, we have dished out hate from time to time, but believe me when i say: i support this cause!
Should be no surprise...he invented the PHONE to begin with!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209989.0;attach=247934;image)
This must be from that time Vince invented the oceans.
Fuk Dude you have more pics of the guy than his family.
He seems tobe a renaissance manhave a thing for fat chicks.
Now that pic will be how he is remembered when he brings the IFBB down for Drug Rewards.
the only thing Basile should focus on bringing down is his cholesterol level...Bob burns Basille again. Simple yet effective!
Vince, please explain?why is vince always pictured with a fucken tiprat..
Vince, please explain?
Was that taken at one of those "over 40, single and lonely meetings"nah its over 55's, unless they aged badly
Hahahaha, i know where your gym is vince...
At least Valerie is a pear. I will soon join Goodrum as a Getbig legend! When they photoshop a magazine cover then you have arrived! The lads here have a lot of big gal photos on their hard drives!
I am starting enquiries about some things.
The billion dollar IFBB is a force to be reckoned with. You have been warned, Vince...are you saying that Vince should expect a visit from a IFBB
are you saying that Vince should expect a visit from a IFBBheavysrepresentative in the next few days and will be warned!
Ok Bob, most of us realize, that you have done well with making a living with a full time career related to bodybuilding.
You have also made inroads in more mainstream acting /PR stuff as an American Gladiator and some small parts on a few films, etc. The ironic thing is, there have been plenty of other pros with better pro contest records, that could barely rub two nickels together.
Ok Bob, most of us realize, that you have done well with making a living with a full time career related to bodybuilding.WTF? semi-meltdown
You have also made inroads in more mainstream acting /PR stuff as an American Gladiator and some small parts on a few films, etc. The ironic thing is, there have been plenty of other pros with better pro contest records, that could barely rub two nickels together. I don't think most realize the amount of time and effort you must have put in over the years building your resume, going to casting calls and working expos, etc.In other words, you EARNED your peresent success via your own talent and and years of hard work.
I am sure you have built a secure life at this pt, and I know you are just cracking on "another" here at get big with your reply. I do think it important to point out that your $$ success as a career related to bodybuilding is quite rare.
Most young bodybuilders would be better served to gain education and job experience in more mainstream fields however.I know I never had the physique to be a pro, so I opted for the education route and enjoy a stable ,secure, yet less glamorous lifestyle as an educator/ tenured faculty member.
Just my 2 cents, Howard
Vince, that is encouraging news.I don't think we want an outside GOV agency messing with bodybuildin , do we?
Contacting the DEA (and/or other relevant-authorities) is a brave step on your behalf.
There is quite a buzz around this place at the moment. Change is in the air, and it is you Vince holding the cards.
Honestly, i do hope you can do something to usher in some kind of change to this drug-circus known as the IFBB.
Good luck!
WTF? semi-meltdownNot at all. Just a reminder that Bob's success to make a living off bodybuilding in the manner he has, is quite rare. The reality is , that for most yoiung bodybuilders, they would be a lot better off if they had a stable career as base to work from and pursued bodybuilding from that position.
Not at all. Just a reminder that Bob's success to make a living off bodybuilding in the manner he has, is quite rare. The reality is , that for most yoiung bodybuilders, they would be a lot better off if they had a stable career as base to work from and pursued bodybuilding from that position.im fucking around with ya man, you made a good point..its very rare that are bodybuilder is well off..not a fake well off like Flex wheeler.
im fucking around with ya man, you made a good point..its very rare that are bodybuilder is well off..not a fake well off like Flex wheeler.LOL, Ok.
thats just stupidity, the ones that think like that deserve to be homeless
What bigs me, is when I hear of how some hardcore bodybuilder claims that have live like some homeless gym rat with no reg job because they don't want anything to interfere with training, LOL.
Basile, you are not outspoken on this IFBB drug issue anymore? Can we conclude that it is then just another one of your 'cock ups'. It wouldn't surprise me! Your credibility on this forum is now in negative figures.ha this message brings talking to yourself to a new level
Bottom line Basile, man up and do what you have been saying to do for the last five years; Contact the DEA and provide the 'crucial information' that will send this corrupt organisation to the Federal Court.
Just do something and stop trying to score cheap points over Chick. You lost that war year ago. Chick will always remain smarter, bigger, wittier,wealthier and more successful that you could ever be.
In summary it is time to find a new passion; Go after this sport and bringit to bankruptcy!
Ok Bob, most of us realize, that you have done well with making a living with a full time career related to bodybuilding.
You have also made inroads in more mainstream acting /PR stuff as an American Gladiator and some small parts on a few films, etc. The ironic thing is, there have been plenty of other pros with better pro contest records, that could barely rub two nickels together. I don't think most realize the amount of time and effort you must have put in over the years building your resume, going to casting calls and working expos, etc.In other words, you EARNED your peresent success via your own talent and and years of hard work.
I am sure you have built a secure life at this pt, and I know you are just cracking on "another" here at get big with your reply. I do think it important to point out that your $$ success as a career related to bodybuilding is quite rare.
Most young bodybuilders would be better served to gain education and job experience in more mainstream fields however.I know I never had the physique to be a pro, so I opted for the education route and enjoy a stable ,secure, yet less glamorous lifestyle as an educator/ tenured faculty member.
Just my 2 cents, Howard
in other words Bob, you are an uneducated druggie who got lucky.
In other words, I havebigger muscles than you are and get paid to do gay 4 pay....
So how much Money have you made from BB competitions Bob???.
About $30K....you?
The question was from competition not his lifestyle. FFS even Derek says he makes heaps of Money from BB so I guess it's all relevent it's just who is Fuking who.
Yes but Arnold doesn't need the IFBB unlike some.
Now we are at the swinging dicks contest.Well Bob I make Fuk all my investments make my money just like yours only Difference is no money spent on gear.Bob have you fear in your heart knowing Basile has been quiet since he contacted the DEA?Do you think they have told him not to post?Or has he had some heavy IFBB Drug lord pay him a visit?.
Vince are you OK it's been a few days since your last post.Have the DEA Told you to lay low.Have you gone to the mattress.We are awaiting change Vince it only takes one man to make change.A recent headline mentions that Mr. Basile was found bludgeoned to death in his hometown in Australia. Originally his injuries were though to have been inflicted by an enraged Kangaroo that he was possibly attempting to fornicate with. But the truth may have a far more sinister explanation. A journal was found and recent entries reveal that Mr. Basile was going to be a Whistleblower and had planned to reveal to the DEA, the full extent of the IFBB steroid conspiracy. He also claimed if anything were to happen to him, that a fellow name Chicarillo would be reponsible. He alleged with the Italian sounding name, this Chicarillo character obviously had numerous Mafia connections and could easily have him 'Whacked". Stay tuned for the latest updated on the Mob/steroid killing of former Mr. Canada, Vince Basile.
A recent headline mentions that Mr. Basile was foundNow, with more believability.bludgeonedcrushedto death in his hometown in Australia. Originally his injuries were though to have been inflicted by an enraged Kangarooheavy honey that he was possibly attempting to fornicate with. But the truth may have a far more sinister explanation. A journal was found and recent entries reveal that Mr. Basile was going to be a Whistleblower and had planned to reveal to the DEA, the full extent of the IFBB steroid conspiracy. He also claimed if anything were to happen to him, that a fellow name Chicarillo would be reponsible. He alleged with the Italian sounding name, this Chicarillo character obviously had numerous Mafia connections and could easily have him 'Whacked". Stay tuned for the latest updated on the Mob/steroid killing of former Mr. Canada, Vince Basile.
Now, with more believability.Hey, want to be my editor? I like your version better.
Howard says, "After the recent witchhunt/sideshow of a congressional circus from the Balco and baseball steroid hearings, does anyone think that route is constructive."
I totally agree, Howard! Even more so! We are slowly losing our "freedoms" and the right to make our own decisions.
Latest governmental interference up my way is ..... If you leave your garbage can within sight of the road passing by your home after 6 PM, you are subject to a $690 fine ....
And the next door neighbors are encouraged to report you and your misguided garbage can to the "Gustapo" with some sort of monetary reward.
Didn't this same sort of thing happen not too long ago in Germany?
Give these politician an inch, and they'll take a mile no matter what side of the pond they're on or the color of their moustache.
Hey, want to be my editor? I like your version better.Hehe. Vince's inclination towards the Rubenesque are well known to those here at Getbig.
30K not bad over 15years now take into account costs of GH and other wonderful Banned substances and supps I would dare to say you would be running at a Loss.Now how much has the IFBB made in the last 15 years?????.Fuk and you know what Not one illegal Drug taken by them.
One of Basile'sclientsgirlfriends following his workout plan
I am a Millionaire just like so many getbiggers and like chick but I don't spend 30% of my income on gear.Basile will be Fine witness protection is alive and well.
I just said....no pro BB spends 30% of their income on gear.
Chick will be apologizing forever if the IFBB stays the way it is. The corruption must go along with the stooges. Enough is enough.
Bob is forever innocent of all charges. Another trait the appointed athletes rep must have. Deny everything and confuse everyone. Put the blame for any bad things concerning the IFBB onto others. Not bad for a stooge.
I would dare to say you don't make 1/3 of what I make....Yeah Mr moneybags, after 18 more payments this high performance vehicle is all mine.
Im not a snitch but i'd like to help Vince prove you guys wrong, I'll supply the international call card if he wants!
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Bob is forever innocent of all charges. Another trait the appointed athletes rep must have. Deny everything and confuse everyone. Put the blame for any bad things concerning the IFBB onto others. Not bad for a stooge.
Anyone who has been around since the 1950s knows how far bodybuilding has descended. I grew up when lifting weights was supposed to make you musclebound. We found out in 1988 that was total nonsense. As a group, bodybuilders are not seen as being too smart. Hence, the public have always had a reason to reject what we do. The universities have never accepted bodybuilding. We remain mirror athletes. At least we don't waste mirrors!who gives a fuck bout bodybuilding in Australia? the last comp i went to they were letting people in for free, ask one australian politician if they know who luke wood is?
Joe Weider, Bob Hoffman, Peary Rader and Oscar Heidenstamn all preached about health and well being from bodybuilding. Would any of those editors have subscribed to using what the professionals do today? Would anyone believe what has happened to women's bodybuilding? The truth is the sordid state of drug use and other forms of cheating is reprehensible and should be stopped. This is not a sport but a travesty and a disgrace. If I can do something to return bodybuilding to a drug-free sport then that will benefit everyone who lifts weights and wants to compete.
I might start in Australia and see where that goes to. A small ripple might spread elsewhere.
It will spread Vince even Chris C says on radio what the fuk are guys saying on these boards as the FBI are reading these sites.So it won't go unnoticed Vince.Keep up your good work Change is coming.FBI read these boards??? what the fuck, dont they have better things to do like, finding terrorists, finding Osama?
Good Point Quickblade but with all the Drug Dealing and criminals in BB it's no surprise Chris says the FBI are Reading Getbig.Hey FBI, suck my cock and after you do i'll post the footage on www.redtube.com .. arrest me please you federal bitches.. fuck y'all
Sydney is in a crap time zone relative to the USA. We are a day ahead and 7 hours behind LA and 10 behind NY. That means I have to call there in the middle of our night to catch someone in USA during business hours.
Set your Alarm clock Vince BB needs you to help clean up the IFBB these Idiots cannot keep REWARDING Drug Abuse it's madness.You can make the change Vince being a former IFBB Champion and also can you just think how much Impact that would have on Chick the Puppet who says nobody will listen to you and calls you Stupid.Keep up your Fight Vince someone has to.
True irony: Basile = former steroid user.
Basile = hater of steroided physiques.
Bottom line, what is this Grandpa 'who surfs adolescent-message-boards' doing about contacting the DEA!
Basile, why do you have such a deep hatred for the steroid abuser of today?Why is that other dude in a blonde wig? :-\
Seriously, what is it to you if these individuals just want to play the 'size game'?
Oh yeah, many weeks have passed since you decided to contact the DEA. Have you been able to get through to them? I hear their phones are quite busy. Just keep trying!
Basile, why do you have such a deep hatred for the steroid abuser of today?
Seriously, what is it to you if these individuals just want to play the 'size game'?
Oh yeah, many weeks have passed since you decided to contact the DEA. Have you been able to get through to them? I hear their phones are quite busy. Just keep trying!
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Basile is your typical "cock blocker" with so much ego that even as his tooth gets longer, instead of bowing out gracefully...He just moves on to women that no sane man would ever even consider fucking...It is so simple to understand why this man has spent most of his life alone...