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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bigmikecox on June 06, 2008, 03:43:35 PM
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THESE GUYS LOOK FUCKING AMAZING!!!
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;D
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Yet more proof that Coleman had no clue how to hit the
side delt side chest shot. Levrone is owning him here.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=255975;image)
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THESE GUYS LOOK FUCKING AMAZING!!!
The lighting in the contest video was awesome the pics don't translate as well , although these guys look great.
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Yet more proof that Coleman had no clue how to hit the side delt side chest shot. Levrone is owning him here.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=255975;image)
Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs
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Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs
that's because from front to back...hes Deltoid is larger than Milos' and levrone's combined!!! :o
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This was probably the best contest in the history of the sport.
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Damn one of the best years for bodybuilding!! Ronnie,Flex, Kevin and Milosh. Did Ronnie's insane size drive Flex to synthol up?
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Flaw hiding lighting is perfect for pro bodybuilding shows.
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Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs
LOL you think Ronnie is done hitting that pose? ::)
look at his face - he isn't even smiling yet. his arms are not even close to being in the right position.
had the shot been taken a few seconds later, the pose would not look nearly so crunched up.
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Flex Wheeler had the greatest physique ever!!!!!
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damn was Ronnie ripped at that show.
the cuts in his quads/hams from the side look unreal.
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Flex's arms had a load of oil.. :-X
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Great times - they looked awesome.
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LOL you think Ronnie is done hitting that pose? ::)
look at his face - he isn't even smiling yet. his arms are not even close to being in the right position.
had the shot been taken a few seconds later, the pose would not look nearly so crunched up.
yes he is done you know how I know? I watched the video Hulkster is side chest shot isn't nothing special you may like it but you're stupid.
Levrone textbook side chest
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that's because from front to back...hes Deltoid is larger than Milos' and levrone's combined!!! :o
Yeah thats true his delts are so massive they obscure his pecs in this shot.
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Yet more proof that Coleman had no clue how to hit the side delt side chest shot. Levrone is owning him here.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=255975;image)
And HOW!!!! :o
When Levrone was better when he was heavier (250 +).
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LOL you think Ronnie is done hitting that pose? ::)
look at his face - he isn't even smiling yet. his arms are not even close to being in the right position.
had the shot been taken a few seconds later, the pose would not look nearly so crunched up.
Any side chest shot I have ever seen of Coleman looks just like that...that is how he hits it and it is not effective as a side chest pose
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And HOW!!!! :o
When Levrone was better when he was heavier (250 +).
Levrone was one of those guys who did not get a gut the heavier he became , and I agree he looked great in the 250s.
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Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs
Who cares. It didn't stop Coleman from winning 8 Olympias did it? That's what I thought.
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Who cares. It didn't stop Coleman from winning 8 Olympias did it? That's what I thought.
It almost did on a few occasions ;) ( see 1998/2001/2002 ) and don't think so much you're not a philosopher you're not getting paid for it .
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Any side chest shot I have ever seen of Coleman looks just like that...that is how he hits it and it is not effective as a side chest pose
that's true, he does hit it wrong....in fact if anyone else were to hit it like that, without squeezing their arm against their side, their arm would appear small,
but with his amount of muscle, hitting it wrong or not, it's still impressive
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It almost did on a few occasions ;) ( see 1998/2001/2002 ) and don't think so much you're not a philosopher you're not getting paid for it .
Almost is irrelevant. He walked away with the Sandow, end of story. You can argue whether he deserved it or not, he won, that's what matters.
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if ronnie was taught to pose correctly.....if he posed like melvin hits the mandatories... he would look way better than he did. and thats saying alot !
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Who cares. It didn't stop Coleman from winning 8 Olympias did it? That's what I thought.
thats because his side chest shot looks a lot better when fully done, despite what ND would like us all to believe.. ::)
as you can clearly see: notice how much farther back his arms are compared to the badly timed shots posted in this thread..
notice: Kevin is getting Levroned LOL
makes him look soft.
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Almost is irrelevant. He walked away with the Sandow, end of story. You can argue whether he deserved it or not, he won, that's what matters.
Yes.
But, you would figure
That
The best bb in the WORLD would know how to hit one of the most basic of poses.
And yes, I know, he won 8 Olympias.
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Almost is irrelevant. He walked away with the Sandow, end of story. You can argue whether he deserved it or not, he won, that's what matters.
True he did win ! but no excuse for not hitting mandatory poses correctly .
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thats because his side chest shot looks a lot better when fully done, despite what ND would like us all to believe.. ::)
as you can clearly see: notice how much farther back his arms are compared to the badly timed shots posted in this thread..
No.
Look at where his right deltoid is positioned.
He would simply look better if he pulled that shoulder back....spread the chest out.
He looks great, but would look even better.
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True he did win ! but no excuse for not hitting mandatory poses correctly .
agreed. I'm not going to be biased, I'm a huge Ronnie fan, but he DID hit that pose INcorrectly....yet still looked DAMN impressive
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Ronnie was a shitty poser, no doubt.
and hit the side chest post a little too hunched up.
but that seems to be the modern way of hitting it.
even Kevin's is like that most of the time
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thats because his side chest shot looks a lot better when fully done, despite what ND would like us all to believe.. ::)
as you can clearly see: notice how much farther back his arms are compared to the badly timed shots posted in this thread..
Oh boy like I didn't see the 1999 Olympia either ::) he's doing the exact same pose as the one in the picture the ONLY difference is he's twisting his body , he's still NOT correctly doing the side chest shot its old news to everyone except you , because you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding
and stop speaking for ' all of us ' because not everyone who posted agrees with your dumb statements but you act like its only me , stop trying to impress me you failed at that years ago , you had your chance lol
anyway one of the reasons Ronnie's side chest isn't that spectacular is because of his short torso and long arms and massive delts , Haney had a short torso and his side chest was fantastic , his is one shot simply put Ronnie isn't built for .
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Ronnie was a shitty poser, no doubt.
and hit the side chest post a little too hunched up.
but that seems to be the modern way of hitting it.
even Kevin's is like that most of the time
Again part of it is his short torso and long arms and his massive delts as well as not pulling back , and Levrone 's side chest is better than anything Coleman ever managed please don't try and compare the two.
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Oh boy like I didn't see the 1999 Olympia either ::) he's doing the exact same pose as the one in the picture the ONLY difference is he's twisting his body , he's still NOT correctly doing the side chest shot its old news to everyone except you , because you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding
and stop speaking for ' all of us ' because not everyone who posted agrees with your dumb statements but you act like its only me , stop trying to impress me you failed at that years ago , you had your chance lol
anyway one of the reasons Ronnie's side chest isn't that spectacular is because of his short torso and long arms and massive delts , Haney had a short torso and his side chest was fantastic , his is one shot simply put Ronnie isn't built for .
you are still very bitter about losing the truce thread and running away in shame aren't you? :-\
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you are still very bitter about losing the truce thread and running away in shame aren't you? :-\
lmfao I'm not chasing you around every single thread trying to get back at you ;) your my puppy and I'm your master I throw the stick and you fetch ;)
now run along and play
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Someone please post R Robinson and Arnold side chest poses...they both did the shot without twisting their torso so it was nearly 'on face' towars the audience...two of the best side chest shots ever, IMO
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Again part of it is his short torso and long arms and his massive delts as well as not pulling back , and Levrone 's side chest is better than anything Coleman ever managed please don't try and compare the two.
he compares a lot better than you give him credit for, and notice yet again his arms are in the normal way that he hits the pose, not halfway through like the pics suggest:
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lol...whooops!!
Gayer than sparking another Hulkster vs ND debate! ;)
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he compares a lot better than you give him credit for, and notice yet again his arms are in the normal way that he hits the pose, not halfway through like the pics suggest:
Its okay it could be better but my point stands he's not built for that pose and once again he's still NOT doing it correctly all you're doing is posting a pic where he's just twisting his torso from side to side he's still not pulled back to highlight the pecs and the arch of the rib cage his side chest sucks for many reasons its old news its not one of his poses .
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lol...whooops!!
Gayer than sparking another Hulkster vs ND debate! ;)
All he can do his try lol he's looking for revenge he got his ass kicked. maybe if I lost I'd be following him around thread to thread but I don't have to.
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I think Kevin hits the pose much better....but I think the best side chest pose DONE PROPERLY goes to Shawn Ray
someone post a pic?
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All he can do his try lol he's looking for revenge he got his ass kicked. maybe if I lost I'd be following him around thread to thread but I don't have to.
lol funny considering that your owning by me and pumpster even got mentioned in a thread of the best ownings of all time hahahahhahahahaha
deal with it.
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lol funny considering that your owning by me and pumpster even got mentioned in a thread of the best ownings of all time hahahahhahahahaha
deal with it.
Oh wow so it must be true ::)
the best owing was you by your OWN HERO lol three times Hulkster lol
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LOL you think Ronnie is done hitting that pose? ::)
look at his face - he isn't even smiling yet. his arms are not even close to being in the right position.
had the shot been taken a few seconds later, the pose would not look nearly so crunched up.
Plus, Ronnie isn't even holding his wrist yet. He always holds his wrist tight when hitting the pose. Kevin poses better though. They all look great anyway.
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I think Kevin hits the pose much better....but I think the best side chest pose DONE PROPERLY goes to Shawn Ray
someone post a pic?
;)
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Plus, Ronnie isn't even holding his wrist yet. He always holds his wrist tight when hitting the pose. They all look great anyway.
Different contest same result
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there you go!
thanks
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Different contest same result
true, not only did kevin lose, Ronnie made him look soft as always... :-\
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Plus, Ronnie isn't even holding his wrist yet. He always holds his wrist tight when hitting the pose. Kevin poses better though. They all look great anyway.
true, its funny how only ND is stupid enough to think Ronnie was done hitting that shot.. ::)
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true, not only did kevin lose, Ronnie made him look soft as always... :-\
Soft? lol Ronnie never faced a prime Levrone and he was lucky he almost lost to a small Kev in 2002
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true, its funny how only ND is stupid enough to think Ronnie was done hitting that shot.. ::)
lol you posted the exact same shot the only difference is he's twisting his torso lol God-damn you're stupid lol he's still not doing the pose correctly & effectively he's not built for the pose again please refer to Shawn Ray or Kevin Levrone for a textbook side chest shot , do you even know the criteria for a side chest shot? shall I teach you about it? ;)
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Shawn Ray on
Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right like Dexter and Jay.
Stating the obvious everyone knows it except the fan-boys
Ronnie's side chest sucks get over it .
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Game. Set. Match.
Kevin was robbed :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256001;image)
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I actually prefer Mr. Levrone's 92 physique
still when he had the extra size, all were fulblOWNED 8)
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I actually prefer Mr. Levrone's 92 physique
still when he had the extra size, all were fulblOWNED 8)
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Kevin lacked density and thickness in 1992, but I actually think he was in his best condition of his whole career then.
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Soft? lol Ronnie never faced a prime Levrone and he was lucky he almost lost to a small Kev in 2002
sorry but a prime kevin does not come close:
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Earl won't like this. neither will McD... 8)
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sorry but a prime kevin does not come close:
Kevin at his best would give Ronnie a run for his money hell he almost beat Ronnie in 2002 and he felt be beat in in 2000 as well ! neither were his best years
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Kevin at his best would give Ronnie a run for his money hell he almost beat Ronnie in 2002 and he felt be beat in in 2000 as well ! neither were his best years
in case you didn't notice Genius, they were also Ronnie's WORST years...
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Hulkster proving he has mental problems yet again LOL.
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in case you didn't notice Genius, they were also Ronnie's WORST years...
No they weren't you idiot ! 2000 was NOT his worse neither was 2002 he was off but hell 2004/2006/2007 were his worse years by far
do you do any research? no don't answer that
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No they weren't you idiot ! 2000 was NOT his worse neither was 2002 he was off but hell 2004/2006/2007 were his worse years by far
do you do any research? no don't answer that
they were the worst of his pre tear days moron.
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Different contest same result
Ronnie is still hitting the pose alot worse in the other pic that was posted. Tell us, who hits the side chest without holding their other wrist or hand? Kevin hits the pose better. What don't you get?
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Ronnie is still hitting the pose worse in the other pic that was posted. Kevin hits the pose better. What don't you get?
ND has trouble with even the simple things.. ::)
sigh.
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Ronnie is still hitting the pose worse in the other pic that was posted. Kevin hits the pose better. What don't you get?
He hits the pose better and looks better too. Kevin probably had the best side chest of all time.
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Earl won't like this. neither will McD... 8)
i won't like this?
what are you talking about, I LOVE LEVROWNINGS :o
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i won't like this?
what are you talking about, I LOVE LEVROWNINGS :o
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It was a joke, Ronnie LEVROWNING Kevin himself, you idiot.
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Levrone was one of those guys who did not get a gut the heavier he became , and I agree he looked great in the 250s.
No in 1998 he had a gut, it was showing on Shawn Rsay's Final Countdown. It was backstage at the O, and Levrone and Ray were shaking hands. I noticed his gut.
Also, Flex of all people had a huge GH gut in his 1997 "Mass Construction" video.
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Flex was at his oil peak in this video :-\
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Different contest same result
different contest, different result
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
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different contest, different result
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
That's all angle, he's hitting the shot the same exact way (incorrectly) as in the shot above. Coleman's side chest simply was not the best on any given day despite the fact that he had the thickest pecs. Too bad he couldn't pose correctly (or without porno music :-\)
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different contest, different result
Different contest same result , nice try though ! no escaping his mediocre side chest shot as you can see once again Ronnie is lagging behind his contemporaries in this shot both Cormier & James are doing the shot correctly & effectively.
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they were the worst of his pre tear days moron.
Oh jesus ::) he wasn't post-tear in 2004 moron again the contests I mentioned are his worse showings by far !
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Ronnie is still hitting the pose alot worse in the other pic that was posted. Tell us, who hits the side chest without holding their other wrist or hand? Kevin hits the pose better. What don't you get?
You agree with my point that Ronnie can't pose so whats the problem? and there are variations of the side chest that don't include holding the wrist ( see the Yates pic )
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Different contest , same result
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Ronnie may hunch up too much in the post, but the end result is still the same:
an incredible side chest with fucking detail EVERYWHERE making his fellow competitors look soft:
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True he did win ! but no excuse for not hitting mandatory poses correctly .
Who's to say what is correct and not. Gaspari hit his side chest a lot different than Labrada. Flex and Shawn Ray hit their front double bi differently, who did it right?
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Who's to say what is correct and not. Gaspari hit his side chest a lot different than Labrada. Flex and Shawn Ray hit their front double bi differently, who did it right?
you realize you are trying to use simple logic with a man who has demonstrated that he has the brains of a pea? :-X 8)
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That's all angle, he's hitting the shot the same exact way (incorrectly) as in the shot above.
wtf are you talking about? The shot was taken straight on from the side. Also, he's not flexing his pecs and his arm is pulled farther back. So how is he posing the same exact way?
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Different contest same result , nice try though ! no escaping his mediocre side chest shot as you can see once again Ronnie is lagging behind his contemporaries in this shot both Cormier & James are doing the shot correctly & effectively.
the pic you posted was taken at an angle. Notice how Chris Cormier appears much taller than Ronnie (even though he's shorter) and Dennis James looks like a midget. Nice try, kiddo. ;)
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Damn!!!! They look incredible
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wtf are you talking about? The shot was taken straight on from the side. Also, he's not flexing his pecs and his arm is pulled farther back. So how is he posing the same exact way?
remember, this is someone who has the brains of a pea... :-X
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remember, this is someone who has the brains of a pea... :-X
shut up jackass you were kissing my ass on how smart I was , notice I never did the same for you for a very good reason. ;)
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Ronnie may hunch up too much in the post, but the end result is still the same:
an incredible side chest with fucking detail EVERYWHERE making his fellow competitors look soft:
He doesn't ' hunch up too much ' stop making excuses for his inability to pose correctly and his structual flaws all which are the reason his side chest shot sucks ( in comparison )
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the pic you posted was taken at an angle. Notice how Chris Cormier appears much taller than Ronnie (even though he's shorter) and Dennis James looks like a midget. Nice try, kiddo. ;)
None of that has to do with Ronnie's inability to pose correctly , both James and Chris are doing the shot correctly Ronnie it doesn't matter what angle its taken from or if he twists his torso or not his side chest shot was never a great shot for him its old news.
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ND has trouble with even the simple things.. ::)
sigh.
LOL, the irony.
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you realize you are trying to use simple logic with a man who has demonstrated that he has the brains of a pea? :-X 8)
This coming from the guy who claimed Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the whole prejudging lol your logic leaves a lot to be desired lol
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This coming from the guy who claimed Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the whole prejudging lol your logic leaves a lot to be desired lol
reality shows he did quite well, actually.
you can't go simply by inflated score cards by partial judges.
you have to look at the stage:
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reality shows he did quite well, actually.
you can't go simply by inflated score cards by partial judges.
you have to look at the stage:
lol domination by losing the pre-judging lol great logic
partial judges he won the contest so thanks for proving my point of they were ' partial ' it was to Coleman lol what a complete idiot lol
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tell us ND how does Ronnie lose the prejudging while completely destroying from the back?? ::)
you are so confident of scores that are total bullshit.. ::)
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tell us ND how does Ronnie lose the prejudging while completely destroying from the back?? ::)
you are so confident of scores that are total bullshit.. ::)
NO tell US Hulkster how exactly does one DOMINATE by losing its an oxymoron
the scores are total bullshit then you agree Ronnie lost and politics were involved in his win ;) you're fucked either way
and I don't think the scores were bullshit I think Ronnie was very lucky .
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reality shows he did quite well, actually.
you can't go simply by inflated score cards by partial judges.
you have to look at the stage:
actually I was one of those that REALLY believed Jay won that year....until someone posted those back photos! DAMN!
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actually I was one of those that REALLY believed Jay won that year....until someone posted those back photos! DAMN!
You're not alone , Ronnie believe Jay won too lol
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NO tell US Hulkster how exactly does one DOMINATE by losing its an oxymoron
the scores are total bullshit then you agree Ronnie lost and politics were involved in his win ;) you're fucked either way
and I don't think the scores were bullshit I think Ronnie was very lucky .
the scores were bullshit against Ronnie moron.
you honestly agree that Ronnie would have lost the prejudging while destroying Jay from the back?
please explain.
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actually I was one of those that REALLY believed Jay won that year....until someone posted those back photos! DAMN!
are you reading this McD? ::)
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that picture looks like Coleman is doing a peace sign to me
Did ronnie actually confirm he was signaling 2nd place?
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You're not alone , Ronnie believe Jay won too lol
Yeah, I remember that. I was at that Olympia....Ronnie made that signal when he could hear our section cheering for Jay, while they were awaiting the announcement. I even spoke with Jay after the show and just told him the decision sucked and that he was the 2001 Mr Olympia, he was just quiet and still in shock.
But again, it was because he was so damn dry, and he DID OWN Ronnie from the front, but you've got to knock the champ out, as they say ::) Which is why Jay still has the Sandow this year. But from the back...it was lights out for Jay, Ronnie all day!
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are you reading this McD? ::)
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I am pointing out to ND (who only looks at the scores) that a quick glance at the stage shows that Ronnie should NOT have lost the prejudging.
you don't dominate from the back like that, while being comparable from the front, and deserve to lose.
ND feels that all scoring by all judges is accurate and true.
no one else in this sport does. :-\
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the scores were bullshit against Ronnie moron.
you honestly agree that Ronnie would have lost the prejudging while destroying Jay from the back?
please explain.
Of course the score were bullshit for Ronnie ::) ( see excuses ) the contest was fair Ronnie did squeek out a close one I don't think the contest was fixed either way he was very lucky and again he's NOT destroying Jay from the back thats your interpretation 99 out of a 100 times Ronnie kills Jay not this time , more to winning a whole contest than just a few back shots as a whole Ronnie did NOT dominate period. he lost the whole pre-judging thats NOT dominating thats losing lol
grasp this?
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I am pointing out to ND (who only looks at the scores) that a quick glance at the stage shows that Ronnie should NOT have lost the prejudging.
you don't dominate from the back like that, while being comparable from the front, and deserve to lose.
ND feels that all scoring by all judges is accurate and true.
no one else in this sport does. :-\
Ah, I see.
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I am pointing out to ND (who only looks at the scores) that a quick glance at the stage shows that Ronnie should NOT have lost the prejudging.
you don't dominate from the back like that, while being comparable from the front, and deserve to lose.
ND feels that all scoring by all judges is accurate and true.
no one else in this sport does. :-\
Moron Jay was just as big and a LOT drier from ANY ANGLE thats exactly why he won the prejudging . regardless of how much better Ronnie's back is
and don't tell me I only look at the scorecards thats another cop-out by you I look at EVERYTHING not just back shots ;)
bottom line Ronnie didn't DOMINATE Jay in 2001 sorry kid thats a lie and a naive one at that
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That's all angle, he's hitting the shot the same exact way (incorrectly) as in the shot above. Coleman's side chest simply was not the best on any given day despite the fact that he had the thickest pecs. Too bad he couldn't pose correctly (or without porno music :-\)
He stills owns most even when hitting the pose incorrectly.
Narcisstic Diety and his cronies (cigaretteman, eng_1) stinking up another thread.
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lol hulkster and ND you guys are fucking hilarious..
jay was harder in 2001 but should that count? since diuretics were banned that year and jay took three different potent diuretis while, for all we know, the most potent diuretic ronnie toook was "expel" from mhp :P
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lol hulkster and ND you guys are fucking hilarious..
jay was harder in 2001 but should that count? since diuretics were banned that year and jay took three different potent diuretis while, for all we know, the most potent diuretic ronnie toook was "expel" from mhp :P
Yes being harder & drier counts and should count now if you want to play with legalities Ronnie used a prop during his posing and used multi-colored posing trunks both are illegal in the IFBB so should he lose the whole contest because of that? of course not
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He stills owns most even when hitting the pose incorrectly.
Narcisstic Diety and his cronies (cigaretteman, eng_1) stinking up another thread.
Pointing out Coleman can't effectively hit the side chest shot ( a point which you agree with ) isn't ' stinking up the thread ' that pointing out the obvious and its the Nutt-Huggers who will agree he sucks as posing and then go on the offensive lol great logic they agree but they still need something to bitch about
hey they're looking for revenge what are you going to do?
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i agree but i dont think its fair to compair teh two...but even when you do compare the two it is very close even despit that advantage to jay.... i think here it is... tie from the front, tie form the side, but ronnie wins from the back... jay is dryer and sharper, but ronnie has more seperations and muscl maturaty and slightly better x frame... so ronnie takes it closely even with his disadvantage in the diuretic department
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i agree but i dont think its fair to compair teh two...but even when you do compare the two it is very close even despit that advantage to jay.... i think here it is... tie from the front, tie form the side, but ronnie wins from the back... jay is dryer and sharper, but ronnie has more seperations and muscl maturaty and slightly better x frame... so ronnie takes it closely even with his disadvantage in the diuretic department
of course its fair to compare the two , despite his flaws compared to Ronnie he was just as big , harder & drier that almost all of the judging criteria , just because Ronnie does have more separations , and a better x-frame and a better back doesn't mean he should win when's he's behind in density & hardness
to say Ronnie DOMINATED Jay in 2001 is simply a lie and not accurate it was a very close contest and Ronnie was lucky
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well in my book the difference in conditioning was made up for by the disparity's in seperation, muscle development from the back, and over all x frame...
you just have to throw all the pros and all the cons ono a scale and see who ends up with less total weight (if cons were positive weight and pros were negative weight) and judge it with all things considered
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doesn't mean he should win when's he's behind in density & hardness
yeah, geeze, look how far behind he is..
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well in my book the difference in conditioning was made up for by the disparity's in seperation, muscle development from the back, and over all x frame...
you just have to throw all the pros and all the cons ono a scale and see who ends up with less total weight (if cons were positive weight and pros were negative weight) and judge it with all things considered
Again Jay has strengths over Ronnie that shouldn't be negated but the judging criteria calls for muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation and more contests are won because one guy is hard & drier than the other which was the case in 2001 , now I'm not saying Jay should have won just based on that but to say Ronnie dominated his is just garbage.
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yeah, geeze, look how far behind he is..
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He is and the fact you don't think he is shows just how little you know , please pay attention ONE can be striated and still be holding water , one can be separated and still be holding water , you just can't seem to grasp this ( your own version of density ;) ) overall Jay was harder & drier just as big has better balance & proportion which is why he won the pre-judging
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Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs
Levrone is not doing a "proper" side chest arms and delts over power his chest...he's just doing it better than Ronnie there.
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Levrone is not doing a "proper" side chest arms and delts over power his chest...he's just doing it better than Ronnie there.
Yes he is doing it properly and see Coleman for delts that overpower his pecs thats obvious !
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None of that has to do with Ronnie's inability to pose correctly , both James and Chris are doing the shot correctly Ronnie it doesn't matter what angle its taken from or if he twists his torso or not his side chest shot was never a great shot for him its old news.
angle has a lot to do with it. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/cc48c.jpg)
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angle has a lot to do with it. ;)
Again he's still not doing it correctly he's twisting his torso . his side chest isn't spectacular its old news
same contest his delts obscure his pecs , he doesn't pull back like he's supposed to he has long arms and a short torso which contribute to his side chest not being great you may like it and thats fine but its not textbook and its not great
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This was probably the best contest in the history of the sport.
Shiit, wtf is going on there? Ronnie = speaking coherently without any mumbling :o
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You agree with my point that Ronnie can't pose so whats the problem? and there are variations of the side chest that don't include holding the wrist ( see the Yates pic )
Are you reading anything that is posted? Ronnie hits the pose a little weird, but Ronnie doesn't fully hit the pose until he holds onto his hand or wrist which he is clearly not doing in the original pic.
First pic, he is not holding his wrist. Second pic, he is holding his wrist and is actually hitting the pose better. I'm not saying Ronnie poses perfect, but atleast I tell it like it is when I see a pic.
Why is this statement so hard for you to understand? I've said it for the third time now. If you don't get it by now, then you never will.
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Milos looked like a small child.
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I think Kevin hits the pose much better....but I think the best side chest pose DONE PROPERLY goes to Shawn Ray
someone post a pic?
Shawn Ray spent hours posing. The guy knows his stuff.
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Different contest , same result
Shawn looks sick in this picture
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Shawn Ray spent hours posing. The guy knows his stuff.
Ray does know his stuff. He is one of the best at it.
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Again he's still not doing it correctly he's twisting his torso . his side chest isn't spectacular its old news
same contest his delts obscure his pecs , he doesn't pull back like he's supposed to he has long arms and a short torso which contribute to his side chest not being great you may like it and thats fine but its not textbook and its not great
wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too. ::)
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This is what we call a side most muscular
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256084;image)
he was the best bb but if im judging that show, and ask for a side chest and you give me "that" ill mark u down plain and simple... even if youre my son!!!!!
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wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too. ::)
Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know :-\
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wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too. ::)
Oh jesus kid its old news his side chest leaves a lot to be desired did you miss this quote?
Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right like Dexter and Jay.
get it? his side chest sucks compared to people who can actually hit it right you may thing its fine & dandy but that doesn't change the fact
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Are you reading anything that is posted? Ronnie hits the pose a little weird, but Ronnie doesn't fully hit the pose until he holds onto his hand or wrist which he is clearly not doing in the original pic.
First pic, he is not holding his wrist. Second pic, he is holding his wrist and is actually hitting the pose better. I'm not saying Ronnie poses perfect, but atleast I tell it like it is when I see a pic.
Why is this statement so hard for you to understand? I've said it for the third time now. If you don't get it by now, then you never will.
He may hit the pose a ' little weird ' he still doesn't hit it correctly thats the bottom line and his hands isn't connected yet but there is nothing different between the pics just him twisting his torso .
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Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know :-\
yeah its called the side chest shot for a reason.
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Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know
wow, really!?! No shit, dumbass. Tell that to ND who kept posting shots of 03 Ronnie from the side during prejudging to show his gut. ;) My point is that posting unflattering pics of Ronnie hitting the side chest doesn't prove he looks unimpressive in that pose. ND posted shots of him in transition or from the back. I can do the same and make a bodybuilder look mediocre, including Dorian Yates. This doesn't prove anything.
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I find it rather funny how whenever Ronnie loses (including the whole 01 prejudging to Jay) that it's politics or that it's incorrect. Yet, whenever he wins it's perfectly fine and perfect judging ::)
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Oh jesus kid its old news his side chest leaves a lot to be desired did you miss this quote?
you mean like how you missed these quotes? Why should I listen to your silly quote when you ignore the words of numerous professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials? ;)
It's kind of funny that the top bodybuilders who competed against both yates and Ronnie during their prime state that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, but none of them except for Lee Priest say that yates is. I have never seen quotes from anyone stating that yates is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I've asked the yates fan club to even post 3 quotes from bodybuilders, experts, etc. stating this, but they won't do it. Here are the best bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc stating the obvious:
Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/ Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:
"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia
"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"
5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:
FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O
"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."
"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."
6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:
Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm
"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."
7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:
MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
8) MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245
"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."
9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97
"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”
11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:
“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”
12) Allan Donnelly - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:
“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”
“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”
“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”
13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.
14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”
15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”
“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.
Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”
16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm
“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”
17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:
“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”
18) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/
“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”
19) Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”
20) FLEX ARTICLE - O CONTENDERS READY FOR BUSINESS
“Cutler, meanwhile, spoke about his bold promise to shave his famous head of hair if he loses and even called Coleman "the greatest bodybuilder of all time"
21) Flex Team – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable.”
21) Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?
By Lonnie Teper MD December 2005
I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.
Quote, Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"
Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.
Ryan Mackie - My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com):
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Paul Dillet stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."
Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
"When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him. He would walk out on that stage, dominate everybody and walk away with his 9th Sandow."
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
Melvin Anthony - 09/18/2007 OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN Part 1
“Ronnie is in a league by himself”
David Robson on Ronnie Coleman 2006 Mr. Olympia Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson204.htm
“It has been said many times that Ronnie is in a class of his own”
Craig Titus on Ronnie Coleman Mr. Olympia 2003 Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan11.htm
“Ronnie is an absolute freak of nature both on stage and in the gym. If anyone would like to argue with that, please feel free to purchase his training tape and see exactly what a freak does. Never have I seen such strength when it comes to a pro bodybuilder. Now on stage Ronnie has everything he needs to blow the competition away. He's in a class all by himself, period! No one and I mean NO ONE is even remotely close to the amount of muscle he carries and the density at which he carries it. Now we could go body part by part, but still he's the man with legs, shoulders, arms, delts, chest, he has them all beat. The only body part that he could get beat on is his calves.”
Myron Mielke on Ronnie Coleman:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke29.htm
“Why not save the best for last? Ronnie has brought several looks to the stage through his bodybuilding career. Many agree his best look was at his Arnold Classic win in 2001. In 2003 he blew everyone away with the most incredible size and conditioning ever seen in a bodybuilding competition.”
Milos Sarcev - FLEX Issue September 2000:
FLEX Magazine Question: “In a line up of freaks, can the aesthetics of your physique earn you a better than your 10th-place finish last year?”
Milos Sarcev: “Absolutely. I’m looking forward to the 2000 Mr. Olympia because the contest is wide open – with the exception of first place, of course, which is occupied by the one bodybuilder who is both a mass monster and extremely symmetrical and aesthetic. Other than Ronnie, no one is unbeatable.”
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here is Ronnie holding his own next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/1999BritishGP-KevinandRonnie1.jpg)
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when Ronnie fully hits the side chest, he doesn't look bad considering he's standing next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/1999BritishGP-KevinandRonnie1.jpg)
Still NOT the correct way to hit a SC.
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/1946d1133824728-best-side-arnold_schwarzenegger_-_side_chest.jpg)
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Still NOT the correct way to hit a SC.
no doubt. I'm not making excuses for Ronnie's pitiful posing. I'm just saying he doesn't look as bad as some people make it seem. He has the chest thickness to pull of that style of posing. Anyone else would look flat.
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you mean like how you missed these quotes? Why should I listen to your silly quote when you ignore the words of numerous professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials? ;)
I never dismissed them moron I don't have a problem with people who claim Ronnie is the greatest of all-time
( boy that backfired lol ) and what does that have to do with Ronnie's side chest? Ummmm nothing
and the irony of you claiming anyone is ignoring quotes you're the genius who claimed Ronnie was an idiot for going on record as saying he couldn't beat Yates ;) his opinion doesn't matter but everyone elses does lol great logic
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here is Ronnie holding his own next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time
He's holding his own ::) its NOT about holding his own its about posing effectively & correctly neither of which he is doing and the best part is you morons agree with me lol yet you have this compulsion to defend him
Ronnie's side chest shot sucks period. you may like it but like his side triceps shot it is lacking compared to other people Ronnie looks great in front & back shots even his 1/4 turns suck
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no doubt. I'm not making excuses for Ronnie's pitiful posing. I'm just saying he doesn't look as bad as some people make it seem. He has the chest thickness to pull of that style of posing. Anyone else would look flat.
It doesn't look ' bad ' it just doesn't look as good as other peoples its that simple all of his side shots suck in my opinion .
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It was a joke, Ronnie LEVROWNING Kevin himself, you idiot.
::)
uh yeah i could clearly see that was what he was saying you simpleton, but I see a levrOWNING when I look at that pic
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uh yeah i could clearly see that was what he was saying you simpleton, but I see a levrOWNING when I look at that pic
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HAHA Hurl1972 being funny ;D
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I have to admit he would look pretty silly hitting the side chest shot that way due to his structure...
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/1946d1133824728-best-side-arnold_schwarzenegger_-_side_chest.jpg)
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I never dismissed them moron I don't have a problem with people who claim Ronnie is the greatest of all-time
ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.
what does that have to do with Ronnie's side chest? Ummmm nothing
I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)
and the irony of you claiming anyone is ignoring quotes you're the genius who claimed Ronnie was an idiot for going on record as saying he couldn't beat Yates his opinion doesn't matter but everyone elses does lol great logic
how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.
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I have to admit he would look pretty silly hitting the side chest shot that way due to his structure...
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/1946d1133824728-best-side-arnold_schwarzenegger_-_side_chest.jpg)
Right one of the reasons Arnold's side chest is so outstanding is his deep rib-cage , Ronnie has a short torso and long arms thats a bad combo Haney had a short torso but his side chest was fantastic
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ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.
I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)
how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.
ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.
Man you're simple I don't need to cover my ass and again the irony of you who loves to play with words saying I need to use semantics lol your logic like Ronnie's side chest leaves a lot to be desired and funny how you think both are ok lol
the quote you posted are most certainly about his number of Olympia wins , number of professional wins and his physique COMPARED to HIS contemporaries and again who has he faced?
I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)
See Neo lie , see Neo FAIL I NEVER ignored any of those quotes thats another Neo lie ( among others ) I've addressed every single one of those quotes time & time again I don't need to run from anything you type and the one quote that agrees with me is the one that matters the most and why? because its the person that the 40 is referring too ;)
how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.
because aside from Coleman you've already dismissed reliable sources ( Yates , IFBB judges , Bev Francis , Peter McGough , Shawn Perine ) as all wrong and you the " Certified Personal Trainer " right again you're doing exactly of what you're accusing me of that makes you a hypocrite and a not very bright one at that
And Ronnie isn't reliable because he lied about injuries ::) he had a motivation to lie about that , he didn't have any motivation to lie about Dorian beating him even though it may be true or not . you're under this delusion Coleman is unbeatable and the posts you quote back that up against the ho-hum competition he faced but there is a very good reason why Coleman doesn't think he could beat Yates a very , very good reason . ;)
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I find it rather funny how whenever Ronnie loses (including the whole 01 prejudging to Jay) that it's politics or that it's incorrect. Yet, whenever he wins it's perfectly fine and perfect judging ::)
Thats the idiot-logic these guys are working with and its fun to point it out. :)
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Right one of the reasons Arnold's side chest is so outstanding is his deep rib-cage , Ronnie has a short torso and long arms thats a bad combo Haney had a short torso but his side chest was fantastic
There is a pic from the 70's of a R Robinson side chest...I swear its so impressive it rivals Arnold's seen here!
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Man you're simple I don't need to cover my ass and again the irony of you who loves to play with words saying I need to use semantics lol your logic like Ronnie's side chest leaves a lot to be desired and funny how you think both are ok lol
actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)
the quote you posted are most certainly about his number of Olympia wins , number of professional wins and his physique COMPARED to HIS contemporaries and again who has he faced?
the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.
Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
See Neo lie , see Neo FAIL I NEVER ignored any of those quotes thats another Neo lie ( among others ) I've addressed every single one of those quotes time & time again I don't need to run from anything you type and the one quote that agrees with me is the one that matters the most and why? because its the person that the 40 is referring to
bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.
because aside from Coleman you've already dismissed reliable sources ( Yates , IFBB judges , Bev Francis , Peter McGough , Shawn Perine ) as all wrong and you the " Certified Personal Trainer " right again you're doing exactly of what you're accusing me of that makes you a hypocrite and a not very bright one at that
show me where I dismissed them. ;)
And Ronnie isn't reliable because he lied about injuries he had a motivation to lie about that , he didn't have any motivation to lie about Dorian beating him even though it may be true or not . you're under this delusion Coleman is unbeatable and the posts you quote back that up against the ho-hum competition he faced but there is a very good reason why Coleman doesn't think he could beat Yates a very , very good reason .
Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)
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actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)
the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.
Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.
show me where I dismissed them. ;)
Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)
actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)
the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.
Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Again I do not have to cover shit again its perfectly fine everyone may think Ronnie is the best for a hosts of reasons it doesn't matter what matters is Ronnie's take on this subject and we all know how he feels ;)
bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.
I've never ran away from ANYTHING you ever typed or anyone else I don't have to I know what I'm talking about thats the difference between you and I , every quote YOU posted or Iceman has post or Hulkster and pumpster has been dismantled , addressed , corrected and dismissed . and the quotes are commenting on the amount of wins , how he faired against his competition and the amout of pro wins and yes how many THINK he is the best physique ever it doesn't mean its true
show me where I dismissed them. ;)
See the truce thread ;)
Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)
again he had a motivation to lie about injuries and great job avoiding my question what motivation did he have to lie about Dorian beating him? still waiting for the answer and funny the same guy who does judge IFBB contests (Dorian ) you dismissed epic irony ;)
run along now .
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Neo I'm going to do you a favor because I'm feeling generous I'm going to respond to all those quotes ( again )
Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/ Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
This is a flat out wrong , Ronnie was not the most dominant Mr Olympia and you're quoting a guy who had Ronnie first after the pre-judging of the 2007 Mr Olympia lol I'll leave that one in park right where it is
2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:
"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
This is a LIE because he's NOT stating Ronnie has the best physique ever he's stating probably ( you may want to pay attention to this word ) his opinion I don't have a problem with that
3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
This was in reference to the 2003 Mr Olympia and it was stating directly to HIS competition at that particular contest NOT ever contest ever held thats ridiculous
4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia
"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"
Maybe you missed the words " MAY BE " that doesn't mean a thing
5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:
FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O
"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."
"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."
Flat out wrong and the fact you cling to these dumb claims show how desperate you are , Coleman never dominated like Haney or Dorian thats a fact and anyone who knows competitive bodybuilding know it is
6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:
Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm
"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."
Talk about desperation Ron Harris says lol the best part is Ron Harris is specifically mentioning Ronnie is the greatest Olympia champion ever why? ........................ .....because of the amount of you guessed it ....Olympia wins lol
7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:
MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
Wow another quality quote lol his opinion I don't have a problem with it
Cool MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245
"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."
MANY Not all and why? Olympia wins , pro wins and Perine didn't say he was he said ' the man many ' nice try with this one , add this to the list of junk fluff
9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97
"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
estimation of MANY doesn't mean all and doesn't mean its true and again in what CONTEXT? pro wins , Olympia wins? if thats the case I don't have one bit of a problem with that statement
10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”
extraordinary overall package I disagree with that statement for a couple of reasons see density & dryness , see balance & proportion and see posing & presentation thats overall
11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:
“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”
See CONTEXT , why? because of pro win and Olympia titles ? sure because he has the best physique ever shown ever thats very much open for debate
12) Allan Donnelly - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:
“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”
“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”
“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”
again flat out wrong most dominant force the sport ever seen lol thats garbage period . and the greatest bodybuilder in history in what context? see a pattern here?
13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that
Same guy who claimed he won the 99 Olympia and see above from Flex
14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”
wow stating the obvious lol Greatest Mr Olympia ever ( 8 straight ) and the most career wins ! more fluff
15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”
“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.
do you know what arguably means? they were being kind as well Ronnie's last contest and again its their opinion I don't have a problem with that
16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm
“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”
Again context ? see a pattern here? most Olympia wins , most pro wins I agree the greatest ever . best physique ever in the history of bodybulding lol I disagree
17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:
“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”
see above and keep looking for a pattern because you'll find one
18) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/
“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”
His opinion and entitled to it ( whoever the fuck he is and you're posting this as proof lmfao and hey what happened to 1999 Olympia? ) a lot of people feel Ronnie's best showing and the best of anyone , I disagree for a host of reasons
19) Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”
contender Dorian Yates and this statement as later amended lol
20) FLEX ARTICLE - O CONTENDERS READY FOR BUSINESS
“Cutler, meanwhile, spoke about his bold promise to shave his famous head of hair if he loses and even called Coleman "the greatest bodybuilder of all time"
again see above same shit different post , more filler to hide lack of real content
21) Flex Team – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable.”
Doesn't mean it is but a lot of people feel it may be
21) Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?
By Lonnie Teper MD December 2005
I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.
I don't have a problem with that statement his opinion and many people feel Dorian is the ONE person who could beat Ronnie
Quote, Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
doubling up on the same quotes lol see filler
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time
why? I need a context and it doesn't mean he is
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
laughable Ronnie has everything lol the balls of you to post this as proof of anything lol
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
in 2003 he also claimed Yates may go down in history as the best ever he's very kind to bodybuilders
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen
what the fuck is this? more fluff why bother?
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
and why? pro wins , Olympia wins ? physique? his opinion
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
more nonsense that doesn't prove anything
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
see above
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
flat out wrong period , Dorian's level of size , density & dryness is unmatched even by Coleman
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
what year is this quote from? I'd love to know and best in the world currently sure has nothing to do with anyone previously
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
That sums it up lol
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
his opinion I don't have a problem with that !
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
see above and his package was lacking in several areas compared to Dorian
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
His opinion he's entitled to it doesn't mean its true
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
see above
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Why you could quote this guy lol see above I don't have a problem with ANYONE who feels Ronnie is the greatest ever
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
Who? anyway see above
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Again why? what context? and see above its all fluff & filler see argument ad populum if you think this collection counts for anything in reality
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
see above
Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"
Why would you post this? he's saying he doesn't think Ronnie is the greatest ever WTF and this statement doesn't make him right or wrong
Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.
Arnold has already said Flex Wheeler was the greatest ever , doesn't make it true or right
Ryan Mackie - My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com):
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
See this is what I'm talking about you post this shit as proof and it blows up in your face ! what he's saying is true Ronnie did take it to another level but the remarks about him being unbeatable are in comparison to his competitors and NOT everyone else in the history of bodybuilding , 2003 wasn't even close to being Ronnie's best Paul Dillet stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)
Paul Dillet stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."
Wow so he didn't mention Yates so he must not have raised the bar lol and Yates was previous to Ronnie do how could he measure up?
Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
"When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him. He would walk out on that stage, dominate everybody and walk away with his 9th Sandow."
Again he's commenting on the current crop and how NO ONE competing at that time could beat 98/01 Ronnie notice he said in that early conditioning he would walk on stage and dominate everyone ( Cutler , Dexter , Victor etc ) has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
again more bullshit in reference to his competition in 2003 and NOT anyone else this is why you think if you avalanche a lot of quotes people will be lost in the nonsense see fail this has jack shit to do with Dorian Yates
Melvin Anthony - 09/18/2007 OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN Part 1
“Ronnie is in a league by himself”
He was and ironically he still lost what does that tell you?
David Robson on Ronnie Coleman 2006 Mr. Olympia Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson204.htm
“It has been said many times that Ronnie is in a class of his own”
DIRECTLY compared to HIS competition in 2006 this is another useless quote this has NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates more garage
Craig Titus on Ronnie Coleman Mr. Olympia 2003 Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan11.htm
“Ronnie is an absolute freak of nature both on stage and in the gym. If anyone would like to argue with that, please feel free to purchase his training tape and see exactly what a freak does. Never have I seen such strength when it comes to a pro bodybuilder. Now on stage Ronnie has everything he needs to blow the competition away. He's in a class all by himself, period! No one and I mean NO ONE is even remotely close to the amount of muscle he carries and the density at which he carries it. Now we could go body part by part, but still he's the man with legs, shoulders, arms, delts, chest, he has them all beat. The only body part that he could get beat on is his calves.
see above more bullshit in reference to his competition in 2003 ( shakes head )
Myron Mielke on Ronnie Coleman:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke29.htm
“Why not save the best for last? Ronnie has brought several looks to the stage through his bodybuilding career. Many agree his best look was at his Arnold Classic win in 2001. In 2003 he blew everyone away with the most incredible size and conditioning ever seen in a bodybuilding competition.”
fuck me this is sickening already lol more shit concerning his competition in 2001 and 2003 has absolutely dick to do with Yates
Milos Sarcev - FLEX Issue September 2000:
FLEX Magazine Question: “In a line up of freaks, can the aesthetics of your physique earn you a better than your 10th-place finish last year?”
Milos Sarcev: “Absolutely. I’m looking forward to the 2000 Mr. Olympia because the contest is wide open – with the exception of first place, of course, which is occupied by the one bodybuilder who is both a mass monster and extremely symmetrical and aesthetic. Other than Ronnie, no one is unbeatable.”
This quote is odd because he's not saying Ronnie is unbeatable lol why the fuck would you post this shit? lol and did Yates compete in 2000? I don't think so
Most of these quotes are in reference to his competition in various years , a lot say he's the greatest Mr Olympia ever ( most wins and most Olympias ) and a few more believe he had the best physique ever shown on a pro stage which is okay but it doesn't make it true
this was an exercise is stupidity just see argument ad populum which states just because an opinion is popular DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE and the funny part is the MINORITY judge contests ( 13 ) and how does the man in question feel when posed the question on is Dorian could beat him? you know the guys ALL of these people who says is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time? lol
I wont embarrass you any further ......next . ;)
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Ive seen Ronnie hit the side chest pose in person.....honestly his legs is what you notice the most....they are insane
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Neo I'm going to do you a favor because I'm feeling generous I'm going to respond to all those quotes ( again )
Looks like you still can't read by the way that you replied to each quote.
It seems you have an excuse for every single pro-Ronnie quote and none for the pro-yates quotes. Let's see, you just completely disagreed with almost all of the great bodybuilders during yates and Ronnie's prime. I'll take the opinions of those bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc. over some internet nimrod who thinks he KNOWS IT ALL. If that doesn't spell out DENIAL, then what does. PATHETIC.
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damn narcissistic deity has no life at all
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Looks like you still can't read by the way that you replied to each quote.
It seems you have an excuse for every single pro-Ronnie quote and none for the pro-yates quotes. Let's see, you just completely disagreed with almost all of the great bodybuilders during yates and Ronnie's prime. I'll take the opinions of those bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc. over some internet nimrod who thinks he KNOWS IT ALL. If that doesn't spell out DENIAL, then what does. PATHETIC.
No you couldn't be more wrong as usual ! I addressed each and everyone of them and was dead pan honest! a majority of those were in direct relation to his competition and had nothing what so ever to do with Dorian Yates , another good majority think he;s the best because he has the most pro wins and because he was eight Olympia wins and a few think he's the best physique ever displayed !
I have no problem with people who think Ronnie is the greatest of all time , none what so ever its their opinion and it doesn't mean its true its open for discussion you posted a ton of filler and fluff thinking it proved anything and it failed
what matters the most if what Ronnie thinks you know " The greatest bodybuilder of all-time " and what does he have to say on the subject? yeah I thought so
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damn narcissistic deity has no life at all
Wow that hurt Shawn ::) you still lost in 1994 lol
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ND did you put that much effort into the papers you had to write in school? ???
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=255977;image)
milos arms are photoshopped
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=255977;image)
milos arms are photoshopped
no thats called excessive synthol buddy
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Wow that hurt Shawn ::) you still lost in 1994 lol
Dorian: Missing Bodyparts,Fat,Bloated
Wow a true champion right there ::)
Shawn owned Dorian in every contest
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Again I do not have to cover shit again its perfectly fine everyone may think Ronnie is the best for a hosts of reasons it doesn't matter what matters is Ronnie's take on this subject and we all know how he feels
actually, it does matter when several professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Considering they are authorities on the subject and have seen both Ronnie and Dorian compete on stage (which you haven't), I'd say their words carry more weight than yours. I feel sorry for you if the pillar of your argument is a quote from Ronnie saying Dorian would beat him. If you really want to go there, I have a quote from Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian at his prime and another where he acknowledges politics in bodybuilding. ;)
I've never ran away from ANYTHING you ever typed or anyone else I don't have to I know what I'm talking about thats the difference between you and I , every quote YOU posted or Iceman has post or Hulkster and pumpster has been dismantled , addressed , corrected and dismissed . and the quotes are commenting on the amount of wins , how he faired against his competition and the amout of pro wins and yes how many THINK he is the best physique ever it doesn't mean its true
bwahahahaha, bullshit. You ran away from the Truce thread like a coward. You haven't dismantled or corrected anything. On the contrary, your nonsense has been refuted over and over. Iceman owned you with his post containing all the quotes.
again he had a motivation to lie about injuries and great job avoiding my question what motivation did he have to lie about Dorian beating him? still waiting for the answer and funny the same guy who does judge IFBB contests (Dorian ) you dismissed epic irony
so you admit that Ronnie is not fit to judge contests, yet you continue to post his quote saying who would win if he competed against Dorian? ;)
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Dorian: Missing Bodyparts,Fat,Bloated
Wow a true champion right there ::)
Shawn owned Dorian in every contest
you should use hank wood to own dorian
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actually, it does matter when several professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Considering they are authorities on the subject and have seen both Ronnie and Dorian compete on stage (which you haven't), I'd say their words carry more weight than yours. I feel sorry for you if the pillar of your argument is a quote from Ronnie saying Dorian would beat him. If you really want to go there, I have a quote from Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian at his prime and another where he acknowledges politics in bodybuilding. ;)
bwahahahaha, bullshit. You ran away from the Truce thread like a coward. You haven't dismantled or corrected anything. On the contrary, your nonsense has been refuted over and over. Iceman owned you with his post containing all the quotes.
so you admit that Ronnie is not fit to judge contests, yet you continue to post his quote saying who would win if he competed against Dorian? ;)
actually, it does matter when several professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Considering they are authorities on the subject and have seen both Ronnie and Dorian compete on stage (which you haven't), I'd say their words carry more weight than yours. I feel sorry for you if the pillar of your argument is a quote from Ronnie saying Dorian would beat him. If you really want to go there, I have a quote from Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian at his prime and another where he acknowledges politics in bodybuilding. ;)
First of all you couldn't be anymore wrong as usual . first of all the pillar of my argument is most certainly NOT a single quote from Ronnie and never has been . the ' pillar ' of my argument has been as always the IFBB judging criteria you know muscular bulk density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation .
The quote from Ronnie I have admitted on several occasions doesn't mean its true however I love to rub it in you and the rest of the nutt-huggers faces its Ronnie's opinion and it doesn't make it true just like every other quote you posted doesn't make it true . and you have zero quotes from Ronnie saying he would beat Yates another lie ;)
bwahahahaha, bullshit. You ran away from the Truce thread like a coward. You haven't dismantled or corrected anything. On the contrary, your nonsense has been refuted over and over. Iceman owned you with his post containing all the quotes.
Oh boy you should work for Fox nice spin. I never ran from anything not from you , Hulkster , iceman or any other moron who posted . and you're god damn right I corrected you on many points , recall balance & proportion being two separate entities Mr " certified personal trainer " ? ;) remember 2003 NOT being Ronnie's best ? ;) remember Ronnie never being as hard or as dry as Dorian? ;) shall I continue to embarrass you? and NO ONE ever refuted Ronnie was harder or drier than Dorian thats a lie , NO ONE ever refuted Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , NO ONE ever refuted Dorian is a better poser NO ONE ever refuted Dorian has less weaknesses than Ronnie. you're full of shit plain & simple and iceman owned himself with a bunch of filler & fluff most of the quotes are specific directly to the competition he faced , another majority had to do with how Ronnie is the greatest because of the amount of pro wins & Olympia titles and a small amount thing he's the greatest physique ever show but please if you think such faulty logic as appeals to numbers proves anything you're more stupid than I thought
The bottom line is Ronnie has said on three separate occasions he couldn't beat Dorian and thats specific to the ' debate ' at hand and couple that with Dorian's advantages in the judging criteria I proved my point and I could leave well enough alone and let my argument stand on its own two feet
You people on the other hand are such diluted fan-boys you chase me around trying to rehash the same argument in every thread and I wonder why? ;) all of you will lament on how crazy I am and how right you are yet still have this compulsion to prove to ME you're right lol what does that tell you? that you don't feel your opinion is right , you can't leave it alone I can thats the difference ! I started the truce thread out of respect for fellow members and I ran with longer than I should and now its just the fan-boys over there claiming a hollow victory you morons are lost without me over there hence why the puppies follow me around from thread to thread the only ones you owned are yourself ;)`
Like Dorian I knew when to get out and like Ronnie you idiots didn't ;)
so you admit that Ronnie is not fit to judge contests, yet you continue to post his quote saying who would win if he competed against Dorian? ;)
another feeble attempt at you from avoiding the question I could care less about the answer I just like watching you run , the quote from Ronnie doesn't mean its true I've always maintained that just like every quote iceman posted doesn't mean its true either however the quote serves two purposes one its directly related to the topic at hand and two it shows how much Ronnie respected Dorian , he said Jay would have to be on crack to think he could ever beat him , he also said Jay would need be re-born with better genetics to beat him ! he's only been complimentary about Yates and he feels Dorian would beat him and to use your stupid logic against you ' he was there live and in person and you weren't , and after all he what many people consider the greatest bodybuilder of all time " lol
now run along fan-boy you bore me as does this topic stop trying to impress me that failed years ago. ;)
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Dorian: Missing Bodyparts,Fat,Bloated
Wow a true champion right there ::)
Shawn owned Dorian in every contest
The judges thought otherwise ;)
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ND did you put that much effort into the papers you had to write in school? ???
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well, I would say no considering he works at McDonald's...
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ps it seems the entire board is owning ND's pathetic ass yet again.
happens all the time..
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bwahahahaha, bullshit. You ran away from the Truce thread like a coward. You haven't dismantled or corrected anything. On the contrary, your nonsense has been refuted over and over. Iceman owned you with his post containing all the quotes.
yup and the fact that the muscletime pics showing dorian's wins were being posted at the time was no coincidence.
he left right when things got tough. shots from all of dorian's wins were posted showing how he was scored way higher than he should have been relative to his competition, esp. in the post tear years..
typical. ::)
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one of the reasons that McD is such a bitter little man is that even Ronnie hitting the pose incorrectly in 99 was still better than anything his hero dorian ever presented:
hahahhahaha
no wonder he is so bitter!
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The judges thought otherwise ;)
what Uncle Joe says, goes..
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Are you reading anything that is posted? Ronnie hits the pose a little weird, but Ronnie doesn't fully hit the pose until he holds onto his hand or wrist which he is clearly not doing in the original pic.
First pic, he is not holding his wrist. Second pic, he is holding his wrist and is actually hitting the pose better. I'm not saying Ronnie poses perfect, but atleast I tell it like it is when I see a pic.
Why is this statement so hard for you to understand? I've said it for the third time now. If you don't get it by now, then you never will.
ND not getting something?
your joking... :-\
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First of all you couldn't be anymore wrong as usual . first of all the pillar of my argument is most certainly NOT a single quote from Ronnie and never has been . the ' pillar ' of my argument has been as always the IFBB judging criteria you know muscular bulk density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation.
are you a professional bodybuilder or magazine writer? Are you an IFBB judge? Have you seen both Dorian and Ronnie on stage? I thought so. Their words carry more weight than yours. So don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm actually right, kiddo. ;)
Also, you have relied on that Ronnie quote more than anything else in your arsenal. Anytime someone posts a quote or says Ronnie is the greatest, you respond with "well, it doesn't matter b/c he says Dorian would beat him" like it's your ace card. Unfortunately for you, Ronnie has proven he's not fit to judge contests and contradicted himself when he said he would beat Dorian at his prime.
Oh boy you should work for Fox nice spin. I never ran from anything not from you , Hulkster , iceman or any other moron who posted . and you're god damn right I corrected you on many points , recall balance & proportion being two separate entities Mr " certified personal trainer " ? remember 2003 NOT being Ronnie's best ? remember Ronnie never being as hard or as dry as Dorian? shall I continue to embarrass you? and NO ONE ever refuted Ronnie was harder or drier than Dorian thats a lie , NO ONE ever refuted Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , NO ONE ever refuted Dorian is a better poser NO ONE ever refuted Dorian has less weaknesses than Ronnie. you're full of shit plain & simple and iceman owned himself with a bunch of filler & fluff most of the quotes are specific directly to the competition he faced , another majority had to do with how Ronnie is the greatest because of the amount of pro wins & Olympia titles and a small amount thing he's the greatest physique ever show but please if you think such faulty logic as appeals to numbers proves anything you're more stupid than I thought
yawn, save your bullshit for someone gullible. You ran from the Truce thread b/c you were getting owned left and right by everyone. The best backs of all-time list from Flex magazine and the recent Muscletime pics were the final nail in the coffin.
another feeble attempt at you from avoiding the question I could care less about the answer I just like watching you run , the quote from Ronnie doesn't mean its true I've always maintained that just like every quote iceman posted doesn't mean its true either however the quote serves two purposes one its directly related to the topic at hand and two it shows how much Ronnie respected Dorian , he said Jay would have to be on crack to think he could ever beat him , he also said Jay would need be re-born with better genetics to beat him ! he's only been complimentary about Yates and he feels Dorian would beat him and to use your stupid logic against you ' he was there live and in person and you weren't , and after all he what many people consider the greatest bodybuilder of all time " lol
how is my question a feeble attempt? B/c it exposes the hypocrisy of you choosing which quotes to accept and ignore? ;)
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The funny thing about ND is he wants quotes. We provided quotes from:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Quoted from:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
The quotes by these individuals are posted for the airhead ND, but yet he discredits every single one of them and has an excuse for everything. He actually has the audacity to put his opinion above all. His opinion carries no weight ever since he said yates has better arms than Ronnie and Arnold has better quads than Ronnie. I thought you couldn't be that f*cking dumb, but this guy takes the f*ckin cake. I actually feel sorry for the guy. LOL.
By the way, these are not even all of the people quoted that I have posted.
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are you a professional bodybuilder or magazine writer? Are you an IFBB judge? Have you seen both Dorian and Ronnie on stage? I thought so. Their words carry more weight than yours. So don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm actually right, kiddo. ;)
Also, you have relied on that Ronnie quote more than anything else in your arsenal. Anytime someone posts a quote or says Ronnie is the greatest, you respond with "well, it doesn't matter b/c he says Dorian would beat him" like it's your ace card. Unfortunately for you, Ronnie has proven he's not fit to judge contests and contradicted himself when he said he would beat Dorian at his prime.
yawn, save your bullshit for someone gullible. You ran from the Truce thread b/c you were getting owned left and right by everyone. The best backs of all-time list from Flex magazine and the recent Muscletime pics were the final nail in the coffin.
how is my question a feeble attempt? B/c it exposes the hypocrisy of you choosing which quotes to accept and ignore? ;)
are you a professional bodybuilder or magazine writer? Are you an IFBB judge? Have you seen both Dorian and Ronnie on stage? I thought so. Their words carry more weight than yours. So don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm actually right, kiddo. ;)
Also, you have relied on that Ronnie quote more than anything else in your arsenal. Anytime someone posts a quote or says Ronnie is the greatest, you respond with "well, it doesn't matter b/c he says Dorian would beat him" like it's your ace card. Unfortunately for you, Ronnie has proven he's not fit to judge contests and contradicted himself when he said he would beat Dorian at his prime.
The same applies to you are you a magazine writer ? are you and IFBB judge? NO and you dismissed people who are something about a ' certified personal trainer ' lol you're the jackass who went on record as saying Dorian didn't have better definition than Ronnie despite never once seeing the both of them live and dismissing those who have that makes you wrong and a hypocrite but thats a well established fact
The Ronnie quote I admitted many times that it doesn't make it so , I've said this plenty of times I said the majority opinion doesn't matter either ( see your host of quotes ) I said the ONLY opinions that matter are 13 judges , Yates being one of them already has gone on record saying he's harder & drier than Ronnie and has better balance & proportion whats left? muscular bulk? depending on the year Dorian beats him there , posing & presentation , Yates again and he would know he's a IFBB judge after all and he's seen both live & in person and you haven't so what do you know again Mr Certified Personal Trainer? yeah I thought so ;)
and Ronnie never said he could beat Dorian at his prime keep trying to sell this lie because I'm not buying he said " I couldn't beat them in their hey-day " I know you have a comprehension problem but make a mental note of it for future reference . the Ronnie quote doesn't make it true but he keeps on saying he wouldn't beat Yates and he is after all The Greatest of All-time that counts a FUCK of a lot more than come fan-boy who didn't know that balance & proportion were separate entities ;)....next
yawn, save your bullshit for someone gullible. You ran from the Truce thread b/c you were getting owned left and right by everyone. The best backs of all-time list from Flex magazine and the recent Muscletime pics were the final nail in the coffin.
I ran the truce thread I am the truce thread and I ended the truce thread , whats left? fan-boys did I ever make empty declarations when you were missing in action for months at a time? NO so spare me the spin NONE of you fan-boys ever owned me you couldn't own me if this was 1780 and I were black . in order for you idiots to own me you'd have to be in the game , you'd have to know what you're talking about and you don't and neither do the other fan-boys , my knowledge of competitive bodybuilding crushes yours and your buddies I crushed all your myths at will and I proved my point , you idiots are still trying to prove me wrong lol hence why YOU , Hulkster , pumpster and iceman follow ME from thread to thread because I own you again like Dorian I knew when to get out and like Ronnie you idiots are all well past your primes still trying to win lol
and the best back article LMMFAO who does Ronnie say has the best back? Samir Bannout and a host of others? yeah I thought so ;) and the muscletime pics? WTF lol they show exactly why Yates was the clear winner ( maybe in 97 he wasn't , well from the front anyway lol )
how is my question a feeble attempt? B/c it exposes the hypocrisy of you choosing which quotes to accept and ignore? ;)
its feeble because you avoided my question for a reason thats why and again you're the biggest hypocrite idiot who made the claim if you use one quote you then are bound to every other one LMFAO such great logic you have and something you have NOT stuck to for a reason perfect example your post that claim from McGough about Ronnie being unbeatable in 2001 then say he's flat out wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian lol and after all he's seen both men live and in person and you haven't lol and what was he again ? and English lit major and Neo is a ' certified personal trainer ' LMMFAO
I laugh at you Neo because you're stupid and I know its wrong to make fun of retards but hey we all can't be perfect
This is still untouchable and NONE of you have been able to refute it , this and Ronnie's quoted ended the Truce Thread
Depending on the year Dorian carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie
every single year Dorian is harder & drier than Ronnie ( although Ronnie may ( and thats being kind ) may have tied Yates albeit much smaller )
Dorian has better balance & proportion compared to Ronnie
Dorian has better posing & presentation than Ronnie
Dorian has fewer weaknesses than Ronnie
Neo = owned ;)
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nasser is pussy ::)
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The funny thing about ND is he wants quotes. We provided quotes from:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Quoted from:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
The quotes by these individuals are posted for the airhead ND, but yet he discredits every single one of them and has an excuse for everything. He actually has the audacity to put his opinion above all. His opinion carries no weight ever since he said yates has better arms than Ronnie and Arnold has better quads than Ronnie. I thought you couldn't be that f*cking dumb, but this guy takes the f*ckin cake. I actually feel sorry for the guy. LOL.
By the way, these are not even all of the people quoted that I have posted.
I never discredited every single one of them thats a blatant lie and you lied because you need to lie ;)I never said I was right & they were wrong . I said the majority is in relation to his competition at a particular show and the other half was because he has the most pro wins and Olympia titles and the minority is people who feel he's the best physique ever and I don't have a problem with any of them because it doesn't make it true just like my opinion isn't true either the difference is you think its true because you posted a bunch of names and that my stupid little friend is called an appeal to numbers or the argument ad populum its faulty logic
the majority opinion proves one thing , its a popular opinion NOT I repeat NOT ( for you fan-boys ) a right opinion or a true opinion
Like Neo , like Hulkster , like pumpster YOU have something to prove to me NOT vice versa I don't follow YOU around , you people follow me looking for my approval looking for revenge for the ass kicking you've taken ;) if I was so wrong and my opinion was so far fetched you people wouldn't have made the true thread so big lol
I own all fan-boys
none of those quotes trump Ronnie's quotes he's on record FYI three separate occasions saying He COULD NOT beat Dorian Yates and after all he's the Greatest of All-time I'll take what he says over any one of his fan-boys lol
next.................... ..... ;D
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what Uncle Joe says, goes..
yeah see 98/00/01/02/04 OH NO those were all legit contests lol in fact in 01 Ronnie DOMINATED lmmfao
Hulkster = fan-boy ;)
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one of the reasons that McD is such a bitter little man is that even Ronnie hitting the pose incorrectly in 99 was still better than anything his hero dorian ever presented:
hahahhahaha
no wonder he is so bitter!
Oh boy ::)
Dorian's side chest shits on anything Coleman ever shown in fact Ronnie HIMSELF said so , what now? yeah I thought so lol
you people in so easy to own lmfao
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The same applies to you are you a magazine writer ? are you and IFBB judge? NO and you dismissed people who are something about a ' certified personal trainer ' lol you're the jackass who went on record as saying Dorian didn't have better definition than Ronnie despite never once seeing the both of them live and dismissing those who have that makes you wrong and a hypocrite but thats a well established fact
ha ha ha, wtf? I never claimed to be any of those. The difference between you and me is that you're claiming all of them are wrong and you are right, Mr. Nobody. ;)
The Ronnie quote I admitted many times that it doesn't make it so , I've said this plenty of times I said the majority opinion doesn't matter either ( see your host of quotes ) I said the ONLY opinions that matter are 13 judges , Yates being one of them already has gone on record saying he's harder & drier than Ronnie and has better balance & proportion whats left? muscular bulk? depending on the year Dorian beats him there , posing & presentation , Yates again and he would know he's a IFBB judge after all and he's seen both live & in person and you haven't so what do you know again Mr Certified Personal Trainer? yeah I thought so
Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. Depending on the year, he also has better proportion and conditioning. I stand by my claim that 03 Ronnie would beat any version of Dorian. Interestingly, even Dorian himself, an IFBB judge, feels the judges would pick Ronnie.
and Ronnie never said he could beat Dorian at his prime keep trying to sell this lie because I'm not buying he said " I couldn't beat them in their hey-day " I know you have a comprehension problem but make a mental note of it for future reference . the Ronnie quote doesn't make it true but he keeps on saying he wouldn't beat Yates and he is after all The Greatest of All-time that counts a FUCK of a lot more than come fan-boy who didn't know that balance & proportion were separate entities ...next
oh snap! :o
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
I ran the truce thread I am the truce thread and I ended the truce thread , whats left? fan-boys did I ever make empty declarations when you were missing in action for months at a time? NO so spare me the spin NONE of you fan-boys ever owned me you couldn't own me if this was 1780 and I were black . in order for you idiots to own me you'd have to be in the game , you'd have to know what you're talking about and you don't and neither do the other fan-boys , my knowledge of competitive bodybuilding crushes yours and your buddies I crushed all your myths at will and I proved my point , you idiots are still trying to prove me wrong lol hence why YOU , Hulkster , pumpster and iceman follow ME from thread to thread because I own you again like Dorian I knew when to get out and like Ronnie you idiots are all well past your primes still trying to win lol
ha ha ha, nukka pleaze!!! You got beat at your own game over and over again. Let's see... when you posted the worst shots of Dorian, the Ronnie fans responded by posting even worse pics of Dorian. When you claimed the 99 Ronnie pics were photoshopped, you were proven wrong by several members. When you posted 1 or 2 quotes praising Dorian, the Ronnie fans posted 40 quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. You used to always post the poll from Flex magazine in 99 saying Dorian has the best back ever until they came out with a new poll saying Ronnie has the best back in history. So spare me your "you couldn't own me" bullshit. ::)
its feeble because you avoided my question for a reason thats why and again you're the biggest hypocrite idiot who made the claim if you use one quote you then are bound to every other one LMFAO such great logic you have and something you have NOT stuck to for a reason perfect example your post that claim from McGough about Ronnie being unbeatable in 2001 then say he's flat out wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian lol and after all he's seen both men live and in person and you haven't lol and what was he again ? and English lit major and Neo is a ' certified personal trainer ' LMMFAO
Ronnie's motivation for saying Dorian would beat him is simple: he was being humble. Many champions do that. It's not that hard to understand.
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Can we NOT turn this into another Ronnie vs. Dorian thread people! ???
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Dorian's side chest shits on anything Coleman ever shown in fact Ronnie HIMSELF said so , what now? yeah I thought so lol
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/cc48c.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/1999BritichGP-RonnieColeman7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman7.jpg)
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ha ha ha, wtf? I never claimed to be any of those. The difference between you and me is that you're claiming all of them are wrong and you are right, Mr. Nobody. ;)
Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. Depending on the year, he also has better proportion and conditioning. I stand by my claim that 03 Ronnie would beat any version of Dorian. Interestingly, even Dorian himself, an IFBB judge, feels the judges would pick Ronnie.
oh snap! :o
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
ha ha ha, nukka pleaze!!! You got beat at your own game over and over again. Let's see... when you posted the worst shots of Dorian, the Ronnie fans responded by posting even worse pics of Dorian. When you claimed the 99 Ronnie pics were photoshopped, you were proven wrong by several members. When you posted 1 or 2 quotes praising Dorian, the Ronnie fans posted 40 quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. You used to always post the poll from Flex magazine in 99 saying Dorian has the best back ever until they came out with a new poll saying Ronnie has the best back in history. So spare me your "you couldn't own me" bullshit. ::)
Ronnie's motivation for saying Dorian would beat him is simple: he was being humble. Many champions do that. It's not that hard to understand.
ha ha ha, wtf? I never claimed to be any of those. The difference between you and me is that you're claiming all of them are wrong and you are right, Mr. Nobody. ;)
WRONG , Wrong and oh ummm wrong ! I never claimed all of them wrong I said thats their opinion and I don't have a problem with it , so now you're reduced to lying ( yet again ) I never said their wrong I said most are referring directly related to his competition on that particular year , and that they are referring to the amount of pro wins & Olympia titles all of which I don't have a problem with and I still don't have a problem with those who think Ronnie's physique is the greatest ever seen on a pro stage and why? because its their opinion , they're entitled to it and it doesn't make them right , a lot of people think Dorian would beat Ronnie doesn't make them right either so see Neo fail as usual
Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. Depending on the year, he also has better proportion and conditioning. I stand by my claim that 03 Ronnie would beat any version of Dorian. Interestingly, even Dorian himself, an IFBB judge, feels the judges would pick Ronnie.
I'm sure you believe all that it doesn't mean its true , you don't even know what you're talking about so they say ignorance is bliss so be happy my ignorant friend lol and of course you could stand by his claim 2003 would beat Dorian you're an idiot lol Ronnie's balance & proportion in 03 all-time worse , Ronnie's density & conditioning in 03 all-time worse what do you know about competitive bodybuilding again? not much there is a very good reason why 2003 isn't considered his all-time best your homework assignment is to try and figure out why lol
and Dorian didn't say the judges would pick him he said " I guess I don't know " and I could use your lame excuse " Dorian was just being humble thats what bodybuilders do " lol you're to simple kid and in that same interview Yates said directly compared to Ronnie he has better balance & proportion and density & conditioning what does Ronnie have? ' soft ' size? thats the advantage? Dorian's also a better poser lol you're fucked either way
lol@2003
oh snap! :o
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
I don't see where he says yes I could beat Dorian Yates it doesn't say that in fact you omitted a part for a very good reason lol
I couldn't have beat them in their hey days. hey wasn't Dorian's hey-day 1992-1997? isn't this an admission that he doesn't feel he could beat Dorian? lol yeah I thought so ;) you're not in my league kid
ha ha ha, nukka pleaze!!! You got beat at your own game over and over again. Let's see... when you posted the worst shots of Dorian, the Ronnie fans responded by posting even worse pics of Dorian. When you claimed the 99 Ronnie pics were photoshopped, you were proven wrong by several members. When you posted 1 or 2 quotes praising Dorian, the Ronnie fans posted 40 quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. You used to always post the poll from Flex magazine in 99 saying Dorian has the best back ever until they came out with a new poll saying Ronnie has the best back in history. So spare me your "you couldn't own me" bullshit. ::)
' nukka pleaze ' this is what you have to offer me? you have yet to find me ONE SINGLE quote directly compared to Dorian that says " Ronnie has better density & dryness than Dorian " I posted three ;) did you own me at my own game? yeah I thought so you have yet to find me ONE SINGLE quote directly compared to Dorian that says " Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian " lol see a pattern here? yeah I thought so ;) how about posing & presentation? yeah I thought so
the 99 pics were photoshopped how do I know? the guy who did it admitted it ! oh snap now don't you look stupid lol how come Hulkster doesn't post those 99 Olympia photoshopped pics anymore? yeah I thought so lol and the best part is a professional graphic artist exposed him for doing more lol you're wrong on all your points as usual
And fuck me you're stupid who is arguing Ronnie isn't the greatest of all-time? who? I agree with all those quotes lol see fail
Wow Flex says Ronnie has the best back lol Samir Bannout , Markus Rhul , and Ronnie HIMSELF all say Dorian's back is better what makes Flex right and two Mr Olympias wrong? ( I don't expect you to answer see Neo run lol )
Ronnie's motivation for saying Dorian would beat him is simple: he was being humble. Many champions do that. It's not that hard to understand.
He wasn't humble when asked if Jay could beat him , he wasn't humble when asked if Gunther could beat him lol humble = excuse and no maybe you're right he was humbled by Dorian 8 times lol was Ronnie being humble when he said Dorian had the best back he ever seen? lol or the best side chest? all you're left with is excuses
run along little Neo you are not in my league please learn about competitive bodybuilding before you bother me again maybe if you prove to me once and for all you know something I'll entertain your nonsense , but your ignorance bores me
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DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Were you there? NO Ronnie was seen both himself and Dorian at their best and after all he is after all " The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-time " lol and you're just a ' certified personal trainer ' lol
I own you at will little Neo and see the IFBB judging criteria Dorian kills any side chest pose Ronnie ever struck he knows it , I know it .......fan-boys know it just can't admit it lol
now run along young ignorant one you bore me
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Can we NOT turn this into another Ronnie vs. Dorian thread people! ???
These guys can't help it they have something to prove to me !
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How did this go from the 1999 British GP to Ronnie's side chest? WTF??? FOCUS PEOPLE.
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Oh boy ::)
Dorian's side chest shits on anything Coleman ever shown in fact Ronnie HIMSELF said so , what now? yeah I thought so lol
you people in so easy to own lmfao
Great poser, but you praise his sidechest even though his delts and arms look like they should be on an amateur. Plus he's missing his upperchest. Man, that's just friggin sad that you go through all that trouble to post those pics, LOL.
You need delts, arms, an upperchest, seperation, striations etc. which yates has none of to pull off this pose. Ronnie, not the greatest poser, but still better than yates and one of the best side chest ever:
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Great poser, but you praise his sidechest even though his delts and arms look like they should be on an amateur. Plus he's missing his upperchest. Man, that's just friggin sad that you go through all that trouble to post those pics, LOL.
You need delts, arms, an upperchest, seperation, striations etc. which yates has none of to pull off this pose. Ronnie, not the greatest poser, but still better than yates and one of the best side chest ever:
yeah Yates has none of that ::) fuck me you people are simple you also need density & dryness , you also need balance & proportion you also need calves you also need a deep rib-cage you also need to hit the shot correctly you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding all you just did is list all the things YOU think Ronnie has over Yates and ignored all the misses typical of the ignorant feel free to post your nonsense I'll continue to laugh
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a side chest comparison I made a while back. 03 Ronnie would make a prime Dorian his b*tch.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie22ab.jpg)
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Last year I uploaded the full video of the show to here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919&q=source:010312619583338749793&hl=en
91 minutes! Enjoy!
Awesome lineup!
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a side chest comparison I made a while back. 03 Ronnie would make a prime Dorian his b*tch.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie22ab.jpg)
lmfao key point that YOU made great pic of Yates by the way LMMFAO in your dreams 03 makes Yates look small and thats about it.
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lmfao key point that YOU made great pic of Yates by the way LMMFAO in your dreams 03 makes Yates look small and thats about it.
You always pick shitty pics of Coleman and compare them to the best pics of Yates. Pot meet kettle.
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You always pick shitty pics of Coleman and compare them to the best pics of Yates. Pot meet kettle.
my ass those guys started that nonsense I just return the favor and I don't care what pics of Ronnie are used I don't fear great pics of Ronnie and the funny part is I scanned most of the ones they're using lol
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my ass those guys started that nonsense I just return the favor and I don't care what pics of Ronnie are used I don't fear great pics of Ronnie and the funny part is I scanned most of the ones they're using lol
Whether they started it or not, continuing it is pointless. Yates and Coleman are my favorites of all time, Coleman edging Yates out slightly just because of my own personal preference. This entire thread, and I'm even a little guilty for participating, is completely pointless because they're both the best that ever was and it really just comes down to personal opinion. Neither side will ever convince the other of conceding their point.
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Whether they started it or not, continuing it is pointless. Yates and Coleman are my favorites of all time, Coleman edging Yates out slightly just because of my own personal preference. This entire thread, and I'm even a little guilty for participating, is completely pointless because they're both the best that ever was and it really just comes down to personal opinion. Neither side will ever convince the other of conceding their point.
I agree , tell that to these dummys who follow me around like lost puppies
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Dorian is just owning Coleman on that comparison with perfect balance and condition throughout the entire physique. Plus, he is hitting the pose correctly whereas Coleman looks like a mild retard.
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...sheeesh....
even the pics YOU posted of supposedly dorain's GREAT side chest don't compare to Ronnie.....
bingo.
these idiots will never get it.
ronnie at his 99 best was far above dorian's best.
but McD and his bitch England 1 will never ever learn..
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Can we NOT turn this into another Ronnie vs. Dorian thread people! ???
you're obviously new around here, aren't you ;D
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/cc48c.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/1999BritichGP-RonnieColeman7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman7.jpg)
DAMN THESE PHOTOS ARE SICK!! :o
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Yates is my favorite still. But there's no comparison. Big Ron was beyond what anyone ever dreamed of!
that much is obvious:
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Yates is my favorite still. But there's no comparison. Big Ron was beyond what anyone ever dreamed of!
the most unbiased post ever made on GETBIG
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Yates was the man whilst I was a teenager. Have been following the sport since 90. Yates has some of the greatest poses/shots ever in my opinion. Abs/thigh, Side tri, lat spread, rear lat spead. Have Ronnies videos and went to the Coleman weekend in Arlington. Yates is my favorite still. But there's no comparison. Big Ron was beyond what anyone ever dreamed of!
Exactly. yates was a great champ, but Ronnie is just out of this world. I mean look at this. yates doesn't have the arms, delts and upper chest to pull this pose off. yates may hit the pose better than Ronnie, but that doesn't make up for missing bodyparts.
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Yates was the man whilst I was a teenager. Have been following the sport since 90. Yates has some of the greatest poses/shots ever in my opinion. Abs/thigh, Side tri, lat spread, rear lat spead. Have Ronnies videos and went to the Coleman weekend in Arlington. Yates is my favorite still. But there's no comparison. Big Ron was beyond what anyone ever dreamed of!
that is what ND doesn't understand.
he prefers yates as a bodybuilder.
but that doesn't necessarily mean he had a better physique.
because when you apply the normal critera that ND often babbles ad nauseum about, its not even close.
it seems that everyone except for ND and his two bitches can see that.. ::)
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damn, this shot is for the ages. Coleman could never compete with this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256294;image)
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haha dorian looks like pile of shit in that pic\
"for the ages" hahaha
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damn, this shot is for the ages. Coleman could never compete with this.
where are his upper pecs? ???
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non-existant.
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where are his upper pecs? ???
Are you insinuating that that is not a great shot? The hair, the graininess, the protruding cephalic vein, the unbelievable density, it's all synergistically coming together to make one of the most legendary shots of Yates I've ever seen! :o
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Show me a fucking shot with Coleman's haircut looking this good.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256294;image)
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it's a good haircut i'll give him that
but the body looks like shit
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the thing is, dorian had relatively small arms and chest - hell look at the shot above - even his famously small arms look a bit big for his chest.
when you compare him to Ronnie, its game over:
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that is what ND doesn't understand.
he prefers yates as a bodybuilder.
but that doesn't necessarily mean he had a better physique.
because when you apply the normal critera that ND often babbles ad nauseum about, its not even close.
it seems that everyone except for ND and his two bitches can see that.. ::)
What you don't get is contests are judged buy a set of criteria and clearly Dorian meets this criteria better than Ronnie period. muscular bulk , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle balance & proportion , posing & presentation you will NEVER escape this
Ronnie 99 can't touch Dorian in terms of density & dryness sorry sport already two in two MAJOR parts of the criteria , Ronnie 99 can't touch Dorian in balance & proportion , or posing & presentation , what part of the criteria does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in? muscular bulk? NO Dorian at 260 pounds Ronnie 99 257 pounds and no where near as hard or dry as Yates
answer the question where is be beating him? according to the criteria? not your fantasy criteria which you think wins contests like taper and big peaked biceps again what do you know? you're the same guy who had Flex winning the 1993 Mr Olympia LMMFAO no wonder why you think Ronnie is so much better lol
Hulkster = ignorant
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Show me a fucking shot with Coleman's haircut looking this good.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256294;image)
LMAO!
End of thread
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the thing is, dorian had relatively small arms and chest - hell look at the shot above - even his famously small arms look a bit big for his chest.
when you compare him to Ronnie, its game over:
lmfao when you compare Ronnie to Dorian in 1996 what a loser keep posting strawmen comparisons because you fear great shots of Dorian for a very good reason ;)
Ronnie 2001 being trampled by an off-season Yates lol
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Exactly. yates was a great champ, but Ronnie is just out of this world. I mean look at this. yates doesn't have the arms, delts and upper chest to pull this pose off. yates may hit the pose better than Ronnie, but that doesn't make up for missing bodyparts.
First of all he's not missing any bodyparts thats your fan-boy delusions rearing their ugly head again your ignorance keeps showing , keep this in mind in a professional bodybuilding contest all rounds are physique rounds seeing you don't have a clue what this means let me explain it to you ( yet again )
all rounds are physique rounds which means every single judging criteria is APPLIED all at once which includes muscular bulk , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle balance , muscle proportion , and posing & presentation in every single pose so while Ronnie may have clear advantages in parts of the criteria as a whole he doesn't beat Dorian
So even in poses which YOU think ronnie had clear advantages in like the front double biceps shot he still gets beat because all rounds are physique rounds side chest for example which you claim he loses because of his ' arms delts & upper chest ' ::)
when you look at the side chest in profile does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in posing & presentation? NO why? because he can't even do the pose correctly
does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in muscular bulk? NO Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 and 269 pounds in 1993 ( pre-contest ) Ronnie 1999 was 257 pounds
does Ronnie beat Dorian in muscle density & dryness? NO Dorian wrote the book on bone dry & rock hard conditioning he is the yardstick in which conditioned mass is measured by
does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in muscle balance & proportion? NO his flaws compared to Dorian in the side chest are clearly evident calves to small for his quads , massively developed delts that obscure his pecs in this shot making them look small , forearms which aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps , long arms in relation to his short torso just because you're willing to overlook this doesn't mean the judges are
So while Ronnie does have some advantages in this pose OVERALL seeing all rounds are physique rounds and ALL of the criteria is applied to each pose Dorian beats Ronnie clearly in the side chest shot in fact Ronnie himself said Dorian had the best side chest he ever seen ! and after all he is The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-Time
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This pose is unbeatable by Coleman
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the thing is, dorian had relatively small arms and chest - hell look at the shot above - even his famously small arms look a bit big for his chest.
when you compare him to Ronnie, its game over:
You're right about Yates. But neverthless Flex destroys Ronnie in that pic!! :o
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Damn, this shot shows just how horrible Coleman hit this pose :-\ Yates just destroys him.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256368;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256375;image)
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Damn, this shot shows just how horrible Coleman hit this pose :-\ Yates just destroys him.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256368;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256375;image)
lol Ronnie's side-delt shot
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So yet another pose that goes to Yates, so far we have:
rear double biceps
rear lat spread
front lat spread
side chest
ab/thigh
And all the other poses are debatable, so Yates really would easily defeat Coleman.
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lol Ronnie's side-delt shot
Unbelieveable that an 8-time Mr. Olympia is to stupid to hit the basic poses.
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So yet another pose that goes to Yates, so far we have:
rear double biceps
rear lat spread
front lat spread
side chest
ab/thigh
And all the other poses are debatable, so Yates really would easily defeat Coleman.
It doesn't matter what pose it is when you consider all rounds are physique rounds ! he may have some clear cut advantages in PART of the criteria but overall Yates is the criteria at his best !
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Unbelieveable that an 8-time Mr. Olympia is to stupid to hit the basic poses.
he hired Diana Dennis to teach him to pose in 1994 and this is what they came up with :-X
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hee3_ronnie-coleman-1994-mr-olympia_sport
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Exactly. yates was a great champ, but Ronnie is just out of this world. I mean look at this. yates doesn't have the arms, delts and upper chest to pull this pose off. yates may hit the pose better than Ronnie, but that doesn't make up for missing bodyparts.
Dorian is destroying Ronnie on that comparison ::)
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Ronnie at his best beats any other pro at his best.
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Dorian is destroying Ronnie on that comparison ::)
Well he would know that if he was basing his opinion on how contests are actually judged and not his fan-boy preferences but thats a common theme with these morons they like what they like and the rest doesn't matter to them
Dorian picking up the towel Ronnie threw in
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Ronnie at his best beats any other pro at his best.
See fain-boy fail
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Jesus, this is simply the most inhuman back to ever walk the earth. Yates has muscles on his back that Coleman simply doesn't have. Unreal :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256405;image)
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Jesus, this is simply the most inhuman back to ever walk the earth. Yates has muscles on his back that Coleman simply doesn't have. Unreal :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256405;image)
Yates' lats hang low too unlike Ronnie's which are higher up not as bad Dex but Yates' back is the best ever regardless of what Team Flex says
Ronnie says so and so does Samir Bannout two Mr Olympia with great backs I might add they would know.
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Great times - they looked awesome.
YEAH THEY DID....
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LOL ND is on the defensive and being totally owned yet again.
ND, if you could make a career out of being owned on Getbig, you could quit McDonalds and retire!
hahahahhaaha
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LOL ND is on the defensive and being totally owned yet again.
ND, if you could make a career out of being owned on Getbig, you could quit McDonalds and retire!
hahahahhaaha
Typical Hulkster move when confronted with facts , don't answer any of them and start in with the ad hominem attack
We're all still waiting for you to counter my points ........................ ........ ;).
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The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Dorian , Dorian , Dorian and Dorian ;)
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Typical Hulkster move when confronted with facts , don't answer any of them and start in with the ad hominem attack
We're all still waiting for you to counter my points ........................ ........ ;).
you just don't get it.
this is bodybuilding.
not a philosophical debate.
there is no 'countering of points'
all there is are onstage visuals. and they counter everything dorian ever brought to the stage:
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you just don't get it.
this is bodybuilding.
not a philosophical debate.
there is no 'countering of points'
all there is are onstage visuals. and they counter everything dorian ever brought to the stage:
No you can't debate hence why you resort to ad hominem attacks you have no skills and no knowledge thats why you're reduced to such nonsense
and yes there is a countering of point in case you didn't know contests are judged by a set of criteria and all 13 judged must adhere to said criteria the include muscular bulk ( Dorian ) muscle density ( Dorian ) muscle dryness ( Dorian ) muscle balance ( Dorian ) muscle proportion ( Dorian ) and posing & presentation ( Dorian ) you can't counter that Ronnie had the edge in these areas and thus would win all you do is post pics and you guessed it use more faulty logic argument ad populum as your ' proof ' which anyone well versed in debate knows is worthless and the position of the intellectually bankrupt ( YOU )
IFBB Criteria = Dorian deal with it. ;)
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ND still doesn't understand that no amount of verbal explanation will stop reality:
verbal debates have limited use in this sport. its all about visual comparisons. not thesis defending.
if you have to explain why someone is better by posting long post after long post in an effort to counter the visual evidence that shows that you are wrong, well, then that person is not better period.
no amount of explanation can erase this:
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Jesus, this is simply the most inhuman back to ever walk the earth. Yates has muscles on his back that Coleman simply doesn't have. Unreal :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256405;image)
like I said, no amount of verbal diarrea can stop reality:
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what ND doesn't want us to see:
99 ronnie crushing his hero at his 93 best:
Dorian is bigger , harder , drier , better balanced , and has fewer weaknesses hey thats everything the judges are looking for lol and please remember all rounds are physique rounds.
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ND still doesn't understand that no amount of verbal explanation will stop reality:
verbal debates have limited use in this sport. its all about visual comparisons. not thesis defending.
if you have to explain why someone is better by posting long post after long post in an effort to counter the visual evidence that shows that you are wrong, well, then that person is not better period.
no amount of explanation can erase this:
visual comparisons made by biased , ignorant and delusional fan-boys? ' comparisons ' where Ronnie's Coleman's calves are the same size as a 269 pound Dorian Yates lmmfao
bodybuilding is a visual sport and its judged LIVE & IN PERSON for a very good reason lol more weak Hulkster logic who claimed he is just as qualified to judge a professional bodybuilding contest at home on his PC than they are live & in person using faulty means ( pics & video ) lol
Hulkster = failure.
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visual comparisons made by biased , ignorant and delusional fan-boys?
you are calling pretty much the entire bb community except you and your two bitches ignorant?
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please.
get real.
most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason.
you just can't deal with it.
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Damn, this shot shows just how horrible Coleman hit this pose :-\ Yates just destroys him.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256368;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256375;image)
Hey, Hulkster, take this visual evidence and shove it where the sun don't shine ;)
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Nice to see Ronnie in his G4P boots LOL. I wonder if he wore these for Uncle Joe? :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256431;image)
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LOL I clicked on the first time to check it out (on the last page) and from the the thread title I had no idea it was a Hulkster vs. ND/England_1 thread. Another thread hijacked. ::)
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what ND and his bitch don't want everyone to see:
93 yates being crushed by the man who most everyone feels is 'unbeatable' at his best:
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LOL I clicked on the first time to check it out (on the last page) and from the the thread title I had no idea it was a Hulkster vs. ND/England_1 thread. Another thread hijacked. ::)
its not my fault ND is so insecure about anything to do with Ronnie 99.
the minute the pics went up, there was McD posting his verbal diarrea.. ::)
I simply don't let him get away with it.
neither does most of the board.
lots of people are owning his sorry ass on this thread besides me..
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you are calling pretty much the entire bb community except you and your two bitches ignorant?
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please.
get real.
most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason.
you just can't deal with it.
Again you're the most simple person who posts because what do you do? use more faulty logic as for your reason why Ronnie would beat Dorian LMMFAO there is NO WAY IN HELL you're college educated no fucking way lol you know you can't counter the argument set forth so what do you do ? resort to more faulty logic
MORON let me explain this to you for the umpteenth time most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason. is a classic example of the argument ad populum
argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."
just because a LOT of people think its true DOES NOT I repeat for the stupid people ( Hulkster , Iceman , Neoseminole ) DOES NOT make it true lol fuck me you're retarded lol I've never come across anyone who's position is based on such piss-poor logic and when they're exposed they keep fucking using it lol its remarkable how stupid you are I'm still laughing at the comment ' the entire bb community '
( shakes head and laughs )
I'm going to bed with a smile on my face because your stupidity amuses me lol I seriously am lol
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First of all he's not missing any bodyparts thats your fan-boy delusions rearing their ugly head again your ignorance keeps showing , keep this in mind in a professional bodybuilding contest all rounds are physique rounds seeing you don't have a clue what this means let me explain it to you ( yet again )
all rounds are physique rounds which means every single judging criteria is APPLIED all at once which includes muscular bulk , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle balance , muscle proportion , and posing & presentation in every single pose so while Ronnie may have clear advantages in parts of the criteria as a whole he doesn't beat Dorian
So even in poses which YOU think ronnie had clear advantages in like the front double biceps shot he still gets beat because all rounds are physique rounds side chest for example which you claim he loses because of his ' arms delts & upper chest ' ::)
when you look at the side chest in profile does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in posing & presentation? NO why? because he can't even do the pose correctly
does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in muscular bulk? NO Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 and 269 pounds in 1993 ( pre-contest ) Ronnie 1999 was 257 pounds
does Ronnie beat Dorian in muscle density & dryness? NO Dorian wrote the book on bone dry & rock hard conditioning he is the yardstick in which conditioned mass is measured by
does Ronnie 99 beat Dorian in muscle balance & proportion? NO his flaws compared to Dorian in the side chest are clearly evident calves to small for his quads , massively developed delts that obscure his pecs in this shot making them look small , forearms which aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps , long arms in relation to his short torso just because you're willing to overlook this doesn't mean the judges are
So while Ronnie does have some advantages in this pose OVERALL seeing all rounds are physique rounds and ALL of the criteria is applied to each pose Dorian beats Ronnie clearly in the side chest shot in fact Ronnie himself said Dorian had the best side chest he ever seen ! and after all he is The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-Time
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Spewing your bs and posting pics of yates still doesn't make up for his small delts, arms and missing upper chest. Your worthless words don't mean a thing here anymore ever since you disagree with all of these guys:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
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This pose is unbeatable by Coleman
Well, if the pose calls for small arms, delts and a missing upper chest, then yeah, he has Ronnie there. LOL.
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Dorian is bigger , harder , drier , better balanced , and has fewer weaknesses hey thats everything the judges are looking for lol and please remember all rounds are physique rounds.
Sure ::), even with yates best pic of his bdb he still gets voted as having the "SECOND" best back. LOL.
OWNED
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Sure ::), even with yates best pic of his bdb he still gets voted as having the "SECOND" best back. LOL.
OWNED
This is clearly the best back ever you guy, and FLEX had in right in 1999 when they listed Yates as having the best back ever AFTER they saw Coleman in 99 ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256405;image)
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What you don't get is contests are judged buy a set of criteria and clearly Dorian meets this criteria better than Ronnie period. muscular bulk , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle balance & proportion , posing & presentation you will NEVER escape this
yawn, we've already been through this. Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. If we compare 03 Ronnie to 95 Dorian (arguably their respective primes), the difference in size is greater than the difference in conditioning. Ronnie outweighs Dorian by 30 lbs and there is no way in hell that was all water.
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Again you're the most simple person who posts because what do you do? use more faulty logic as for your reason why Ronnie would beat Dorian LMMFAO there is NO WAY IN HELL you're college educated no fucking way lol you know you can't counter the argument set forth so what do you do ? resort to more faulty logic
MORON let me explain this to you for the umpteenth time most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason. is a classic example of the argument ad populum
argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."
just because a LOT of people think its true DOES NOT I repeat for the stupid people ( Hulkster , Iceman , Neoseminole ) DOES NOT make it true lol fuck me you're retarded lol I've never come across anyone who's position is based on such piss-poor logic and when they're exposed they keep fucking using it lol its remarkable how stupid you are I'm still laughing at the comment ' the entire bb community '
( shakes head and laughs )
I'm going to bed with a smile on my face because your stupidity amuses me lol I seriously am lol
see, if you had a brain you would see that this is NOT an ad populum argument.
an ad populum argument is an appeal simply based on numbers not facts (eg believe in God).
most everyone feels Ronnie beats yates because when the criteria are applied properly, he wins by a landslide.
you are not applying the criteria correctly at all, and you are mistaking the fact that you are wrong for everyone else being stupid and simply saying that Ronnnie beats yates just because everyone else does. this is NOT what is happening.
eg. you claim dorian has an advantage in muscular bulk when they are the same size and weight at the bests (both 257 (93 vs 99) and same height.
you claim dorian has better proportions when everyone can see he has piss poor small arms for his frame, a super thick non-bodybuilding type waist, and calves oversized for his frame. Ronnie has a much more classical frame, with a trim waist, great quad sweep, fantastic muscle shape. he looks like a classic champion bodybuilder. Yates looks like a fridge, or, even better as someone put it "a pile of dogshit that someone stirred up with twigs" LOL
you claim dorian was better conditioned, yet we have all shown a billion times that Ronnie at his best can match if not suprass him in the conditioning department.
so you see, you are not applying the criteria correctly.
the rest of the bb community are. and we prove it with pic after pic and video after video.
period.
its not ad populum.
its dumb ND.
simple as that.
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Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness
no shit:
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Jesus, this is simply the most inhuman back to ever walk the earth. Yates has muscles on his back that Coleman simply doesn't have. Unreal
::) ::) ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman88.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman83.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaPrejudging8ab.jpg)
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Coleman's back is soggy and soft there. Not nearly as impressive as Yates who had veins running everywhere in his back in 95. Ronnie's back looks like a soggy sack of shit here. Not a single striation in his lats. Yates' back was more conditioned in the offseason than this :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaPrejudging8ab.jpg)
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Coleman's back is soggy and soft there. Not nearly as impressive as Yates who had veins running everywhere in his back in 95. Ronnie's back looks like a soggy sack of shit here. Not a single striation in his lats. Yates' back was more conditioned in the offseason than this
Ronnie isn't flexing his back in that pic, you dipshit. Guess what? Dorian's back looks the same when relaxed except smaller. ;)
if you want to see striations in Ronnie's lats, here you go.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman134a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman123.jpg)
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Ronnie isn't flexing his back in that pic, you dipshit. Guess what? Dorian's back looks the same when relaxed except smaller. ;)
if you want to see striations in Ronnie's lats, here you go.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman134a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman123.jpg)
Oh? Jay has striations in his back doing the same exact pose ;) Stop posting shots of Coleman in a different pose, I could care less. Didn't you chastise ND for about 500 posts about how Yates had "loose skin" in one pose and then he posted different poses to prove otherwise? 2003 Coleman was a sack of shit. Bloated, fat, and pregnant. Jay's lower body is also killing Coleman's in that shot.
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Oh? Jay has striations in his back doing the same exact pose ;)
spare me your wink, you fairy. Here are your exact words:
Not a single striation in his lats.
you cannot make a dumb comment like that about a relaxed back pose. No bodybuilder - NOT even Dorian - has striations in their lats when standing relaxed. I posted a shot of Ronnie from the same year to show he did have striations when he flexed. So shove that up your ass. ;)
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spare me your wink, you fairy. Here are your exact words:
you cannot make a dumb comment like that about a relaxed back pose. No bodybuilder - NOT even Dorian - has striations in their lats when standing relaxed. I posted a shot of Ronnie from the same year to show he did have striations when he flexed. So shove that up your ass. ;)
Coleman isn't relaxed in that pose, idiot ;)
Bottom line - Jay fucking Cutler has striations in his lats in the same pose and Coleman doesn't - pithy.
And while we're on the matter of 2003, we might as well remember this disaster
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/0/1067899.1147951950454.ghgut.jpg)
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Coleman isn't relaxed in that pose, idiot
Bottom line - Jay fucking Cutler has striations in his lats in the same pose and Coleman doesn't - pithy.
bwahahahaha, you're so f*cking retarded. They aren't doing the same pose. Ronnie is standing relaxed with is arms out while Jay is flexing his lats. Notice Ronnie's traps aren't scrunched up but Jay's are? That should tell you Jay is pulling his arms back to flex his lats.
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bwahahahaha, you're so f*cking retarded. They aren't doing the same pose. Ronnie is standing relaxed with is arms out while Jay is flexing his lats. Notice Ronnie's traps aren't scrunched up but Jay's are? That should tell you Jay is pulling his arms back to flex his lats.
Aren't you also the idiot that said Coleman's calves were as big as Jay's? LOL. Jay's calves are atleast 2-3" thicker there.
And Ronnie IS flexing there. Unfortunately for him nothing is happening haha.
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And while we're on the matter of 2003, we might as well remember this disaster
get the f*ck out of here with that shit. Anyone can find unflattering pics of any bodybuilder. Here are embarrassing shots of your hero, Dorian Yates, at his supposed prime. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-FatCow15.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates40-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-FatCow11.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-FatCow12.jpg)
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Aren't you also the idiot that said Coleman's calves were as big as Jay's? LOL. Jay's calves are atleast 2-3" thicker there.
umm, excuse me? How am I an idiot when I have more brainpower than 10 of you put together? I did say Ronnie's calves in 03 were as big as Jay's and backed it up with visual evidence.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
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Moron, congrats on just owning yourself. Look at the flexed right calf of Coleman and the left calf of Jay's. Jay's appears 1-2" thicker, maybe more. Coleman's calf is non-existent. Damn you are an idiot.
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Moron, congrats on just owning yourself. Look at the flexed right calf of Coleman and the left calf of Jay's. Jay's appears 1-2" thicker, maybe more. Coleman's calf is non-existent. Damn you are an idiot.
where do you come up with a 1-2" difference? Also, Ronnie's calves never displayed much definition when he pressed down on his toes. You assume the separation displayed by the gastrocnemius is equivalent to size. Furthermore, I could use your own logic against you and say "look at the left calf of Ronnie and the right calf of Jay. Ronnie's appears larger if not the same size."
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where do you come up with a 1-2" difference? Also, Ronnie's calves never displayed much definition when he pressed down on his toes. You assume the separation displayed by the gastrocnemius is equivalent to size. Furthermore, I could use your own logic against you and say "look at the left calf of Ronnie and the right calf of Jay. Ronnie's appears larger if not the same size."
Are you denying that Jay's flexed calf is significantly thicker and more defined than Coleman's flexed calf? If so, I think you need to retire from this thread.
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Are you denying that Jay's flexed calf is significantly thicker and more defined than Coleman's flexed calf? If so, I think you need to retire from this thread.
way to avoid the question by asking another question. ::)
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way to avoid the question by asking another question. ::)
Translation: I know Jay's calf is 3x thicker and more defined than Ronnie's, even at 290lbs.
hahahahahahah
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Why is everyone debating with England....he's clearly insane. Even though I disagree with him, ND at least has a logically, albiet biased, based mind.
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Why is everyone debating with England....he's clearly insane. Even though I disagree with him, ND at least has a logically, albiet biased, based mind.
Actually, I am about as objective as it gets. If you think Coleman's calf is the same size or thickness as Jay's here you are on crack, as Ronnie would say.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
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yawn, we've already been through this. Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. If we compare 03 Ronnie to 95 Dorian (arguably their respective primes), the difference in size is greater than the difference in conditioning. Ronnie outweighs Dorian by 30 lbs and there is no way in hell that was all water.
Umm we've been through this and 2003 is NOT his ummm respective prime ;) and neither is 1995 for Yates that was his prime Olympia showing
so come back and play when you have a clue on what you're talking about mmmmmm-k ;)
lol 2003 respective prime he he he he he
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see, if you had a brain you would see that this is NOT an ad populum argument.
an ad populum argument is an appeal simply based on numbers not facts (eg believe in God).
most everyone feels Ronnie beats yates because when the criteria are applied properly, he wins by a landslide.
you are not applying the criteria correctly at all, and you are mistaking the fact that you are wrong for everyone else being stupid and simply saying that Ronnnie beats yates just because everyone else does. this is NOT what is happening.
eg. you claim dorian has an advantage in muscular bulk when they are the same size and weight at the bests (both 257 (93 vs 99) and same height.
you claim dorian has better proportions when everyone can see he has piss poor small arms for his frame, a super thick non-bodybuilding type waist, and calves oversized for his frame. Ronnie has a much more classical frame, with a trim waist, great quad sweep, fantastic muscle shape. he looks like a classic champion bodybuilder. Yates looks like a fridge, or, even better as someone put it "a pile of dogshit that someone stirred up with twigs" LOL
you claim dorian was better conditioned, yet we have all shown a billion times that Ronnie at his best can match if not suprass him in the conditioning department.
so you see, you are not applying the criteria correctly.
the rest of the bb community are. and we prove it with pic after pic and video after video.
period.
its not ad populum.
its dumb ND.
simple as that.
meltdown ;)
and epic denial
argument ad populum says a popular opinion does NOT I repeat does NOT make it correct only popular
most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason
this is your quote and its classic faulty logic and proves only how stupid you are , appeals to numbers which you reply on will only be laughed at
and you'd have to know how bodybuilding is judged before you can commit to an argument on why he would win , you never knew and still don't know all rounds are physique rounds , you also dismissed Dorian's conditioning as a ' myth ' you and your super abilities came to the conclusion Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia and Ronnie ' dominated ' in 2001 which shows your absolute IGNORANCE about how competitive bodybuilding is judged lol you claimed Dorian lost in 1995 as well LMMFAO what do you know about competitive bodybuilding? NOTHING
Hulkster = stupid
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I keep trying to not click on this thread.
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meltdown ;)
and epic denial
argument ad populum says a popular opinion does NOT I repeat does NOT make it correct only popular
most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason
this is your quote and its classic faulty logic and proves only how stupid you are , appeals to numbers which you reply on will only be laughed at
and you'd have to know how bodybuilding is judged before you can commit to an argument on why he would win , you never knew and still don't know all rounds are physique rounds , you also dismissed Dorian's conditioning as a ' myth ' you and your super abilities came to the conclusion Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia and Ronnie ' dominated ' in 2001 which shows your absolute IGNORANCE about how competitive bodybuilding is judged lol you claimed Dorian lost in 1995 as well LMMFAO what do you know about competitive bodybuilding? NOTHING
Hulkster = stupid
sigh.
you just don't get it ND.
I am not appealing to numbers.
I am appearling to real live visual support.
you are mixing up an ad populum argument (no support/proof - just going along with the crowd no matter what) with a well documented and well supported argument (that happens to be popular because of good judgment and correct application of conventional criteria of modern bodybuilding)
you don't seem to understand the distinction.
and somehow I doubt your McBrain ever will.. ::)
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sigh.
you just don't get it ND.
I am not appealing to numbers.
I am appearling to real live visual support.
you are mixing up an ad populum argument (no support/proof - just going along with the crowd no matter what) with a well documented and well supported argument (that happens to be popular because of good judgment and correct application of conventional criteria of modern bodybuilding)
you don't seem to understand the distinction.
and somehow I doubt your McBrain ever will.. ::)
Moron this is a textbook example of argument ad populum
most everyone feels that peak ronnie was miles above dorian for a damn good reason
and real life visual support would mean you were there in REAL LIFE and you weren't and your opinion is based on ignorance you're an idiot you claimed Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler , Dorian lost in 1995 and Ronnie dominated in 2001 again what do you know about competitive bodybuilding? NOTHING at all
you're an idiot because you have no argument and you think you do and your proof is popular opinion and inaccurate means .and when confronted with facts you start in with the ad hominem attacks I laugh at your ignorance because you're to proud to admit you're wrong they say ignorance is bliss , you are the happiest man on GetBig
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lol the idiot who gets owned on every thread he posts in by lots of different people is saying that someone else knows nothing about bodybuilding
lol
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lol the idiot who gets owned on every thread he posts in by lots of different people is saying that someone else knows nothing about bodybuilding
lol
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LMMFAO what is your fucking response? more of the same shit !! this is a classic post you're response is exactly my whole point more of the argument ad populum there is NO FUCKING WAY you're college educated no way lol
by lots of different people
see appeal to numbers you fool lol
YOU Hulkster the insanely stupid Canadian know NOTHING about competitive bodybuilding nothing what so ever when you wrote that Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia this is proof positive you don't have a fucking clue period end of sentence , couple that with 1995 Yates lost , and Dorian's conditioning was a myth and Ronnie dominated the 2001 Mr Olympia
my knowledge of competitive bodybuilding kills yours !
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ronnie's speech was as awesome as his physique.
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ND just doesn't undestand that when everyone owns him its for a good reason.
he is not applying criteria correctly and comes accross as an idiot as a result.
it has nothing to do with numbers, despite what he thinks. he has only to do with incorrect application of simple conventional standards.
but trying telling him that...
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I guess years at McDonalds can really close the mind and dull the intellect..
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ND just doesn't undestand that when everyone owns him its for a good reason.
he is not applying criteria correctly and comes accross as an idiot as a result.
it has nothing to do with numbers, despite what he thinks. he has only to do with incorrect application of simple conventional standards.
but trying telling him that...
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I guess years at McDonalds can really close the mind and dull the intellect..
Continue on with the ad hominem attacks this again proves your ignorance and desperation and I always laugh at your pleas for others to agree with you as some half-ass validation of your ' opinion ' somehow being right
everything you type is an appeal to numbers , and when your pressed on your bullshit you start with the personal attacks I could work at McDonalds and I'd still know that Dorian didn't lose the 1993 Mr Olympia , I'd still know that Dorian didn't lose the 1995 Mr Olympia , I'd still know that Ronnie didn't dominate the 2001 Mr Olympia lol again more faulty logic if you work at McDonalds you can't know anything about competitive bodybuilding by my insanely stupid ' college ' educated buddy Hulkster has proven he knows absolutely NOTHING about competitive bodybuilding lol more stupid logic
you're an idiot and I will continue to expose you for it . ;)
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ND just doesn't undestand that when everyone owns him its for a good reason.
he is not applying criteria correctly and comes accross as an idiot as a result.
it has nothing to do with numbers, despite what he thinks. he has only to do with incorrect application of simple conventional standards.
but trying telling him that...
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I guess years at McDonalds can really close the mind and dull the intellect..
Hulkster = pwned
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THESE GUYS LOOK FUCKING AMAZING!!!
The key word here is "guys"(plural). They all looked fantastic, much better than they looked at any other contest because of the specific stage lighting. This puts to rest Hulkster's bullshit claims that the lighting has nothing to do with it. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is clearly the best back ever you guy, and FLEX had in right in 1999 when they listed Yates as having the best back ever AFTER they saw Coleman in 99 ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256405;image)
LOL, keep telling that to yourself.
I guess 90% or more of the bodybuilding community are Ronnie nuthuggers then, LOL. Go back to sucking ND's d*ck because that's all your good for.
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The key word here is "guys"(plural). They all looked fantastic, much better than they looked at any other contest because of the specific stage lighting. This puts to rest Hulkster's bullshit claims that the lighting has nothing to do with it. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ha Ha Ha sucky is back and taking name !! another post exposing Hulkster and his bullshit.
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LOL, keep telling that to yourself.
I guess 90% or more of the bodybuilding community are Ronnie nuthuggers then, LOL. Go back to sucking ND's d*ck because that's all your good for.
See argument ad populum fan-boy 90% means nothing
Ronnie says Dorian had the best back , Yates never said that about him ;)
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See argument ad populum fan-boy 90% means nothing
Ronnie says Dorian had the best back , Yates never said that about him ;)
You keep bringing this comment up but one thing I'd like to point out. Ronnie was a big fan of Yates himself and Ronnie was overall a pretty humble person. If Yates had been asked the same question, do you think he would said "Of course I have the best back ever" No, he would have named someone else, just like Ronnie did. In my eyes they both had the two best backs in the history of the sport, there are some shots of Yates back that are just plane right out sick as fuck, same with Ronnie. They were different in their own rights.
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Don't forget that Ronnie has black skin which naturally shows more definition that white skin. Why do you guys think white bodybuilders have to tan or get artificial tans before a contest? ;)
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Ha Ha Ha sucky is back and taking name !! another post exposing Hulkster and his bullshit.
Hey man, what's up? I can see that you've added another 5,000 posts to your post count with nothing but ownages of the Ronnie nut-riders... ;)
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You keep bringing this comment up but one thing I'd like to point out. Ronnie was a big fan of Yates himself and Ronnie was overall a pretty humble person. If Yates had been asked the same question, do you think he would said "Of course I have the best back ever" No, he would have named someone else, just like Ronnie did. In my eyes they both had the two best backs in the history of the sport, there are some shots of Yates back that are just plane right out sick as fuck, same with Ronnie. They were different in their own rights.
" Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me " " Jay better be reborn with better genetics to have a shot at beating me " " Being White sure help Jay win the Olympia "
" THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system "
Humble? I think not Ronnie did/does have a lot of respect for Dorian and Yates earned it and Yates always spoke highly of Ronnie but I think Ronnie was being honest
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Hey man, what's up? I can see that you've added another 5,000 posts to your post count with nothing but ownages of the Ronnie nut-riders... ;)
Been busy? you haven't missed much same shit from these guys ??? you ain't back two seconds and already bitch slapping Hulkster lol and the fan-boys
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Been busy? you haven't missed much same shit from these guys ??? you ain't back two seconds and already bitch slapping Hulkster lol and the fan-boys
Yeah, it seems like they are recycling the same pictures and "arguments" from half a year ago. Answering your question, yes, I had some serious medical problems in my family - my brother has leukemia -, but it's over now and I'm back. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, it seems like they are recycling the same pictures and "arguments" from half a year ago. Answering your question, yes, I had some serious medical problems in my family - my brother has leukemia -, but it's over now and I'm back. ;)
Wow no kidding sorry to hear about the health problems ! that sucks but good to see your name again. :)
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Wow no kidding sorry to hear about the health problems ! that sucks but good to see your name again. :)
Well, thank you. :) Nice to see you too. You are one of the very few posters here who actually has interesting things to say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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" Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me " " Jay better be reborn with better genetics to have a shot at beating me " " Being White sure help Jay win the Olympia "
" THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system "
Humble? I think not Ronnie did/does have a lot of respect for Dorian and Yates earned it and Yates always spoke highly of Ronnie but I think Ronnie was being honest
Yea, like I said, he was pretty humble overall, but he had his moments. He was competitive and didn't take shit from anyone, of course he's going to speak out and when you're pissed you're going to say things like that. Doesn't mean he wasn't a humble guy. He wasn't going around saying shit like that all the time or starting shit with people or being a pompous asshole.
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Yea, like I said, he was pretty humble overall, but he had his moments. He was competitive and didn't take shit from anyone, of course he's going to speak out and when you're pissed you're going to say things like that. Doesn't mean he wasn't a humble guy. He wasn't going around saying shit like that all the time or starting shit with people or being a pompous asshole.
I get what you're saying.
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Umm we've been through this and 2003 is NOT his ummm respective prime and neither is 1995 for Yates that was his prime Olympia showing
you keep deluding yourself inot thinking that, okay? I don't consider Dorian in his famous B&W pics his prime, but you are entitled to believe that. ;)
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See argument ad populum fan-boy 90% means nothing
learn wtf you are talking about, kiddo. It's not argument ad populum when 40 bodybuilding experts and insiders agree Ronnie at his prime is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time while 2-3 anonymous posters on Getbig disagree.
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learn wtf you are talking about, kiddo. It's not argument ad populum when 40 bodybuilding experts and pros agree Ronnie at his prime is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time while 2-3 anonymous posters on Getbig disagree.
well said.
ND can't counter this..
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learn wtf you are talking about, kiddo. It's not argument ad populum when 40 bodybuilding experts and insiders agree Ronnie at his prime is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time while 2-3 anonymous posters on Getbig disagree.
It absolutely is its a classic example and no matter how much you cry it isn't it doesn't change the fact that a POPULAR OPINION does NOT make it correct only popular
and MORON I agree he is the Greatest bodybuilder of all time that doesn't mean he couldn't be beaten by Dorian Yates
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ND, I think you need to reevaluate your posting priorities
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you keep deluding yourself inot thinking that, okay? I don't consider Dorian in his famous B&W pics his prime, but you are entitled to believe that. ;)
Deluding nothing! anyone who knows anything about competitive bodybuilding knows 2003 isn't his best only fan-boys who bought into MD's nonsense do ;)
2003 Ronnie's density & condition , and balance & proportion are at their all-time worse so much for what you know.
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well said.
ND can't counter this..
lmfao counter piss-poor logic? no need to
same dumb argument its an appeal to numbers 40 bodybuilding experts lol vs 2-3 people thats textbook and its still pathetic logic which you guys NEED to rely on
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It absolutely is its a classic example and no matter how much you cry it isn't it doesn't change the fact that a POPULAR OPINION does NOT make it correct only popular
ha ha ha, you can repeat yourself all you want but you are still wrong. ;)
and MORON I agree he is the Greatest bodybuilder of all time that doesn't mean he couldn't be beaten by Dorian Yates
bullshit, the majority of the quotes are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins. 'Greatest bodybuilder of all-time' means he would beat every other bodybuilder in history, including Dorian Yates, otherwise Ronnie wouldn't be the greatest, now would he? ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
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2003 Ronnie's density & condition , and balance & proportion are at their all-time worse so much for what you know.
Ronnie's density and conditioning were worse in 00, 04, 06 and 07, and his balance and proportion were worse in 02, 04, 06 and 07. So I don't know wtf you are talking about "at their all-time worst."
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lmfao counter piss-poor logic? no need to
same dumb argument its an appeal to numbers 40 bodybuilding experts lol vs 2-3 people thats textbook and its still pathetic logic which you guys NEED to rely on
so, the opposing arguments look like this:
we have 40 bodybuilding experts plus all the visual evidence on our side.
you have your opinion along with two others, and you claim all the visuals (since they all own dorian) are either 'photoshopped" or 'don't matter". (neither of which is true)
which is the stronger argument?
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this isn't rocket science folks.
but then again, maybe if you spend your day giving out happy meals, it might be.. :-\
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ha ha ha, you can repeat yourself all you want but you are still wrong. ;)
bullshit, the majority of the quotes are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins. 'Greatest bodybuilder of all-time' means he would beat every other bodybuilder in history, including Dorian Yates, otherwise Ronnie wouldn't be the greatest, now would he? ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
ha ha ha, you can repeat yourself all you want but you are still wrong. ;)
no your attempt in passing off an appeal to numbers is wrong it proves nothing other that your weak tactics and its a popular opinion not a correct one
bullshit, the majority of the quotes are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins. 'Greatest bodybuilder of all-time' means he would beat every other bodybuilder in history, including Dorian Yates, otherwise Ronnie wouldn't be the greatest, now would he? ;)
lmfao what a fan-boy no it doesn't mean he would beat every bodybuilder in history thats such diluted Muscular Development fan-boy delusion that you bought right into lol before Ronnie was the greatest ever it was Haney and why? Eight straight Olympia titles thats why
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
unbeatable against who? his competition sure again everyone who ever competed? you're taking liberties with this quote a tactic I've seen you use before
Team Flex Which includes Shawn Perine & Peter McGough thoughts on the subject at hand which shows you're reaching with that quote
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH..
Team Flex stating the only one who could go head to head with Ronnie is you guessed it Yates and notice he didn't mention 2003 Olympia with good reason ;)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
More of Team Flex stating you guessed it ;)
Dorian when asked this question I'm not sure if it was by " Team Flex "
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
notice the first part of the sentence " A lot of people say you are the only pro bodybuilder A LOT OF PEOPLE again more proof that Yates is very capable of beating Ronnie
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
I don't have a problem with Lonnie thinking this its his opinion and doesn't make it right !
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
See above
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Right after his 2003 Olympia win and see above and the last person I would quote s Flex lol for a very good reason
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Again this is right after the 2003 Mr Olympia and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates more reading comprehension problems for you
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Again Mike is very complimentary to bodybuilders
Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Like Lonnie I don't have a problem with this quote its proof of NOTHING just his opinion
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
More reading comprehension problems for you moron this has NOTHING to do with Yates it has to do with his competition at the 2003 Mr Olympia and how Ronnie not being at his ' best ' the 2001/2002 was nearly beat don't ever questions ANYONES comprehension skills you dummy
And how do any of these quotes render the one from the man himself any less important? they DON'T in fact Ronnie himself stated he could NOT BEAT Dorian on three separate occasions you think any other quote makes that one obsolete? get a clue moron The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-Time has stated he doesn't think he could beat Dorian , does that make it true? NO but if you think your quotes matter more than the man in question you truly are stupid
bottom line Dorian is the ONLY pro at his best that would give Ronnie a run for his money if anyone thinks otherwise you're sadly mistaken there is a very good reason why Ronnie fears Yates just because you can't figure it doesn't mean there isn't. ;)
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no your attempt in passing off an appeal to numbers is wrong it proves nothing other that your weak tactics and its a popular opinion not a correct one
it's not an appeal to numbers when the majority are bodybuilding experts and insiders. I'll give you an example to illustrate what I'm saying. Imagine you took your car to get looked at by 40 mechanics and 1 nobody, and all 40 mechanics reached the same verdict while the nobody disagreed with them. Who would you trust? ;)
lmfao what a fan-boy no it doesn't mean he would beat every bodybuilder in history thats such diluted Muscular Development fan-boy delusion that you bought right into lol before Ronnie was the greatest ever it was Haney and why? Eight straight Olympia titles thats why
read the quotes again, dumbass. They specifically address Ronnie's physique when calling him the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Only 2 or 3 of the 40 quotes mention his number of wins. Wow, I can't believe how poor your reading comprehension is. :-\
unbeatable against who? his competition sure again everyone who ever competed? you're taking liberties with this quote a tactic I've seen you use before
"best ever" means he's unbeatable against everyone who ever competed. It's not that hard to figure out.
I don't have a problem with Lonnie thinking this its his opinion and doesn't make it right!
Lonnie knows a hell of a lot more about bodybuilding than you will ever know. True, it's just his opinion, but his word carries more weight than yours or mine put together.
See above
ha ha ha, you're dismissing the founder of the IFBB's opinion b/c he disagrees with you? Oh brother! Now I've heard it all. ::)
Right after his 2003 Olympia win and see above and the last person I would quote s Flex lol for a very good reason
who gives a shit if Flex's comment came before or after the 03 Mr. Olympia? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of which version of Ronnie is his prime.
Again this is right after the 2003 Mr Olympia and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates more reading comprehension problems for you
Paul Dillet is saying nobody can measure up to the standards Ronnie set in 03 (i.e. Ronnie raised the bar higher than his predecessors). This means he would beat everyone who came before him, including Dorian Yates. Stop playing dumb about everything you read.
Again Mike is very complimentary to bodybuilders
doesn't matter. He specifically compares Ronnie to Dorian and says Ronnie would win.
Like Lonnie I don't have a problem with this quote its proof of NOTHING just his opinion
"best physique that ever stepped on stage." What was that about the quotes referring to Ronnie's total number of wins? ;)
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it's not an appeal to numbers when the majority are bodybuilding experts and insiders. I'll give you an example to illustrate what I'm saying. Imagine you took your car to get looked at by 40 mechanics and 1 nobody, and all 40 mechanics reached the same verdict while the nobody disagreed with them. Who would you trust? ;)
read the quotes again, dumbass. They specifically address Ronnie's physique when calling him the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Only 2 or 3 of the 40 quotes mention his number of wins. Wow, I can't believe how poor your reading comprehension is. :-\
"best ever" means he's unbeatable against everyone who ever competed. It's not that hard to figure out.
Lonnie knows a hell of a lot more about bodybuilding than you will ever know. True, it's just his opinion, but his word carries more weight than yours or mine put together.
ha ha ha, you're dismissing the founder of the IFBB's opinion b/c he disagrees with you? Oh brother! Now I've heard it all. ::)
who gives a shit if Flex's comment came before or after the 03 Mr. Olympia? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of which version of Ronnie is his prime.
Paul Dillet is saying nobody can measure up to the standards Ronnie set in 03 (i.e. Ronnie raised the bar higher than his predecessors). This means he would beat everyone who came before him, including Dorian Yates. Stop playing dumb about everything you read.
doesn't matter. He specifically compares Ronnie to Dorian and says Ronnie would win.
"best physique that ever stepped on stage." What was that about the quotes referring to Ronnie's total number of wins? ;)
it's not an appeal to numbers when the majority are bodybuilding experts and insiders. I'll give you an example to illustrate what I'm saying. Imagine you took your car to get looked at by 40 mechanics and 1 nobody, and all 40 mechanics reached the same verdict while the nobody disagreed with them. Who would you trust? ;)
Its classic argument ad populum and we're talking competitive bodybuilding NOT auto mechanics and again what makes the majority right over the minority? because here are more people who agree? what makes Greg Valentino ( one of your 40 experts lol ) right and Ronnie Coleman wrong? Peter McGough & Shawn Perine , Ernie Taylor or Lee Priest are they no less ' experts ' ? your appeal to numbers is indicative of your poor logic
read the quotes again, dumbass. They specifically address Ronnie's physique when calling him the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Only 2 or 3 of the 40 quotes mention his number of wins. Wow, I can't believe how poor your reading comprehension is. :-\
I have and all of them have been addressed you're the idiot who has comprehension skills perfect example the quote you kept posting which was posed as a question and you took it as a declaration lol or the quote from Blechman commenting that at his best Ronnie is unbeatable which was specific to the 2003 Olympia and it was a commentary on how Ronnie was not at his best and almost lost in 2001/2002 . you're ignorant & have poor comprehension skills thats a bad combo
"best ever" means he's unbeatable against everyone who ever competed. It's not that hard to figure out.
spoken like a true fan-boy again you took a leap on that one and feel flat on your face
Lonnie knows a hell of a lot more about bodybuilding than you will ever know. True, it's just his opinion, but his word carries more weight than yours or mine put together.
now argument from authority lol you're justing pulling out all of the stops lol you're right though his word does carry more than mine just like McGough's , Perines' Priest's , Taylor's and Yates' and Ronnie himself carry more than yours so again what makes theirs right and the ones I listed wrong? you're right back to square one if you make and appeal to numbers as proof ;)
ha ha ha, you're dismissing the founder of the IFBB's opinion b/c he disagrees with you? Oh brother! Now I've heard it all. ::)
Like thats a stretch you're ' dismissing ' The Greatest bodybuilder of All-time lol and wasn't it because it's not that ' smart ' lol
who gives a shit if Flex's comment came before or after the 03 Mr. Olympia? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of which version of Ronnie is his prime.
sure they're all entitled it doesn't make them right lol only an ignorant person would claim 2003 is Ronnie's best showing and why? his density & dryness , balance & proportion are all levels below 1998/2001 ASC you may personally like that showing but you're a fan-boy but don't think just because you think its 2003 that means anything
Paul Dillet is saying nobody can measure up to the standards Ronnie set in 03 (i.e. Ronnie raised the bar higher than his predecessors). This means he would beat everyone who came before him, including Dorian Yates. Stop playing dumb about everything you read.
No it does not mean that and I agree it will be hard for someone to measure to those standards but it will happen , and once again you the fan-boy are taking liberties with these quotes its stating the obvious but stop thinking it means anything , what did Ronnie do in 2003 that raises the bar? he competed at 287 pounds with good conditioning , big deal Yates could have competed at that weight he was guest posing at that weight 10 years earlier with according to eyewitnesses conditioning that hasn't been surpassed , Dorian didn't have the luxury of mediocre competition so he took no chances and always came in dry & hard
doesn't matter. He specifically compares Ronnie to Dorian and says Ronnie would win.
That means what? he would? how is this more correct than Coleman's quotes? or Priest or anyone else?
"best physique that ever stepped on stage." What was that about the quotes referring to Ronnie's total number of wins? ;)
Dorian seven weeks out ever step on-stage? ;) and again there are a few quote that feel this way but the bulk of them are based on his wins and again you're stuck does that make it more right than the best physique who ever stepped on stage saying he couldn't beat Yates? ;)
your appeal to numbers has failed , all your proved is that the opinion that Ronnie would beat Dorian is POPULAR but not right ;) only judges have that ability and Yates being an IFBB judge already stated he has better density & dryness , and balance & proportion , whats left muscular bulk and posing? ;) Dorian would beat Ronnie in MY opinion because he satisfies the criteria better than ANY version of Coleman I'm not claiming I'm right or its true but based on what the judges look for ( among other things ) the judges would favor Yates and I'm seldom wrong.
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so, the opposing arguments look like this:
we have 40 bodybuilding experts plus all the visual evidence on our side.
you have your opinion along with two others, and you claim all the visuals (since they all own dorian) are either 'photoshopped" or 'don't matter". (neither of which is true)
which is the stronger argument?
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this isn't rocket science folks.
but then again, maybe if you spend your day giving out happy meals, it might be.. :-\
You have appeals to numbers , ignorance and stupidity and admitted photoshopped pics that YOU don't care post anymore LMFAO and visual evidence which doesn't mean jack shit compared to being there
again what do you know? after studying the ' visual evidence ' you came to the conclusion that Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler , 1995 to Nasser & Shawn LMMFAO and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole pre-judging lol again you looked at the ' visual evidence ' and came to these wonderful conclusions how could we ever trust your opinion when its ALWAYS in stark contrast with the IFBB Judges ?? lol we can't ;)
I have a sound argument that has been verified by IFBB judges Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better balance & proportion , better density & dryness , depending on the year more muscular bulk and he's also a better poser thats as sounds as it gets ;)
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You have appeals to numbers , ignorance and stupidity and admitted photoshopped pics that YOU don't care post anymore LMFAO and visual evidence which doesn't mean jack shit compared to being there
again what do you know? after studying the ' visual evidence ' you came to the conclusion that Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler , 1995 to Nasser & Shawn LMMFAO and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole pre-judging lol again you looked at the ' visual evidence ' and came to these wonderful conclusions how could we ever trust your opinion when its ALWAYS in stark contrast with the IFBB Judges ?? lol we can't ;)
I have a sound argument that has been verified by IFBB judges Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better balance & proportion , better density & dryness , depending on the year more muscular bulk and he's also a better poser thats as sounds as it gets ;)
Yes Dorian is a great poser.
His trademark 1/1000th second front double bi after he tore his bicep is legendary. ::)
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Hulkster is a jackass of gargantuan proportions. He continues to recycle the same 3 or 4 pics from the 1999 Olympia, and to say that, because he likes Ronnie's physique better, than it is. Wow, how can one argue with such deep logic? Dorian Yates has everything Ronnie has and then some. Size? Check. Symmetry? Better than Ronnie's. Hardness? Better than Ronnie's. Shape is subjective and Dorian has defeated bodybuilders with superior shape than Ronnie, like Wheeler. What objective superiority does Ronnie enjoy over Dorian? Taper? So what? Dorian compensates by having better abs and less muscles lacking.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Its classic argument ad populum and we're talking competitive bodybuilding NOT auto mechanics and again what makes the majority right over the minority? because here are more people who agree? what makes Greg Valentino ( one of your 40 experts lol ) right and Ronnie Coleman wrong? Peter McGough & Shawn Perine , Ernie Taylor or Lee Priest are they no less ' experts ' ? your appeal to numbers is indicative of your poor logic
what makes the quotes I posted more credible than yours? The people I quoted are paid to attend shows and write reviews. Some of them have been in the business longer than you've been following bodybuilding. Their words carry more weight than Ronnie (no offense to the guy) or Ernie Taylor. ::)
I have and all of them have been addressed you're the idiot who has comprehension skills perfect example the quote you kept posting which was posed as a question and you took it as a declaration lol or the quote from Blechman commenting that at his best Ronnie is unbeatable which was specific to the 2003 Olympia and it was a commentary on how Ronnie was not at his best and almost lost in 2001/2002 . you're ignorant & have poor comprehension skills thats a bad combo
bullshit. You said you agreed with their assertion that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time due to number of wins. However, only 2-3 of the quotes mention Ronnie's professional wins. The other 35 or so quotes address Ronnie's physique. You conveniently left this part out and tried to make it seem like the quotes were in agreement with you. Don't play semantics with me, boy, b/c you will lose every time. ;)
spoken like a true fan-boy again you took a leap on that one and feel flat on your face
how did I fall flat on my face? It says "best ever" right there, you dumbass.
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
now argument from authority lol you're justing pulling out all of the stops lol you're right though his word does carry more than mine just like McGough's , Perines' Priest's , Taylor's and Yates' and Ronnie himself carry more than yours so again what makes theirs right and the ones I listed wrong? you're right back to square one if you make and appeal to numbers as proof
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both said Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. They name Dorian as a contender but mention nothing about tying Ronnie if they went head-to-head. As for Ernie Taylor, has the guy even seen Dorian compete?
Like thats a stretch you're ' dismissing ' The Greatest bodybuilder of All-time lol and wasn't it because it's not that ' smart ' lol
we've already been through this. You even acknowledged that Ronnie isn't fit to judge contests. ;)
sure they're all entitled it doesn't make them right lol only an ignorant person would claim 2003 is Ronnie's best showing and why? his density & dryness , balance & proportion are all levels below 1998/2001 ASC you may personally like that showing but you're a fan-boy but don't think just because you think its 2003 that means anything
yawn, I've already addressed this. 03 Ronnie's combination of size, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness outweigh whatever faults he may of had that year.
No it does not mean that and I agree it will be hard for someone to measure to those standards but it will happen , and once again you the fan-boy are taking liberties with these quotes its stating the obvious but stop thinking it means anything , what did Ronnie do in 2003 that raises the bar? he competed at 287 pounds with good conditioning , big deal Yates could have competed at that weight he was guest posing at that weight 10 years earlier with according to eyewitnesses conditioning that hasn't been surpassed , Dorian didn't have the luxury of mediocre competition so he took no chances and always came in dry & hard
yes, it does mean exactly what I posted. Sorry but you're wrong here. I challenge you to ask other people if you don't believe me. ;)
That means what? he would? how is this more correct than Coleman's quotes? or Priest or anyone else?
you tried to dismiss Mike Matarazzo by saying he's complimentary to everyone. However, your objection is irrelevant in this case b/c he specifically compares Dorian to Ronnie and says Ronnie is better.
Dorian seven weeks out ever step on-stage? and again there are a few quote that feel this way but the bulk of them are based on his wins and again you're stuck does that make it more right than the best physique who ever stepped on stage saying he couldn't beat Yates?
Dorian had less definition seven weeks out. What makes you think he looks more impressive than on contest day? Using your logic, Ronnie must of looked even better a few weeks out from competition. Any size advantage Dorian benefits from would be negated by Ronnie's increase in size.
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what makes the quotes I posted more credible than yours? The people I quoted are paid to attend shows and write reviews. Some of them have been in the business longer than you've been following bodybuilding. Their words carry more weight than Ronnie (no offense to the guy) or Ernie Taylor. ::)
bullshit. You said you agreed with their assertion that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time due to number of wins. However, only 2-3 of the quotes mention Ronnie's professional wins. The other 35 or so quotes address Ronnie's physique. You conveniently left this part out and tried to make it seem like the quotes were in agreement with you. Don't play semantics with me, boy, b/c you will lose every time. ;)
how did I fall flat on my face? It says "best ever" right there, you dumbass.
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both said Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. They name Dorian as a contender but mention nothing about tying Ronnie if they went head-to-head. As for Ernie Taylor, has the guy even seen Dorian compete?
we've already been through this. You even acknowledged that Ronnie isn't fit to judge contests. ;)
yawn, I've already addressed this. 03 Ronnie's combination of size, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness outweigh whatever faults he may of had that year.
yes, it does mean exactly what I posted. Sorry but you're wrong here. I challenge you to ask other people if you don't believe me. ;)
you tried to dismiss Mike Matarazzo by saying he's complimentary to everyone. However, your objection is irrelevant in this case b/c he specifically compares Dorian to Ronnie and says Ronnie is better.
Dorian had less definition seven weeks out. What makes you think he looks more impressive than on contest day? Using your logic, Ronnie must of looked even better a few weeks out from competition. Any size advantage Dorian benefits from would be negated by Ronnie's increase in size.
what makes the quotes I posted more credible than yours? The people I quoted are paid to attend shows and write reviews. Some of them have been in the business longer than you've been following bodybuilding. Their words carry more weight than Ronnie (no offense to the guy) or Ernie Taylor. ::)
Typical of you to always answer a question with a question ! and the same people who get paid to attend shows and write reviews YOU have dismissed as flat out wrong ( what was his major in college English lit? ) and no explanation why their words carry more weight than " The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-time " we're just supposed to take your word for it lol more of your retard logic and its not just Ronnie or Taylor or Priest either again you looking to find comfort in numbers
bullshit. You said you agreed with their assertion that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time due to number of wins. However, only 2-3 of the quotes mention Ronnie's professional wins. The other 35 or so quotes address Ronnie's physique. You conveniently left this part out and tried to make it seem like the quotes were in agreement with you. Don't play semantics with me, boy, b/c you will lose every time. ;)
I agree that Ronnie is considered the Greatest of all-time just based on the amount of pro wins and Olympia wins , and again the bulk of the quote have to do with with this fact and the his competition at that PARTICULAR contest and your M.O. is always the same you avoid questions , answer questions with questions and project your inabilities on me you're so predictable and semantics I laughed out when I read this you're NOTORIOUS for playing with words
how did I fall flat on my face? It says "best ever" right there, you dumbass.
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
You fell flat on your face because you're taking liberties with quotes Team Flex which include both McGough and Perine have claimed that the only other guy who could beat Ronnie 2001 is you guessed it , Dorian Yates but you keep posting this as if its proof what makes the other Team Flex members right and these two wrong? answer the question as well ;)
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both said Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. They name Dorian as a contender but mention nothing about tying Ronnie if they went head-to-head. As for Ernie Taylor, has the guy even seen Dorian compete?
And interestingly enough both men also said 1998/2001 is Ronnie at his prime to drag up more of your stupid logic if you agree with ANY quote from them you're now bound to every quote by them ( I dismiss the logic long ago but just rehashed to expose your hypocrisy ;) ) now look who is playing with words again ;) they mention nothing about tying him ::) using the IFBB judging citeria Dorian would have way to many advantages for a very light Ronnie and make a heavy Ronnie look ' soft ' ( 2003 )
and here is the quotes
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men
I think Ronnie is pretty much untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates that means for the reading comprehension impaired that Dorian Yates could ' touch ' Ronnie at his best.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
There you go the seed of doubt is planted and he no longer feels that Ronnie would beat Dorian so again what are you working with? nothing Ronnie 2001 is NOT unbeatable Dorian has all the tool to beat ANY version of Ronnie ;) and has Ernie Taylor seen Yates compete yes he has and he came to the conclusion Yates would beat Ronnie 1998 ! now what makes him less of an expert than your so-called ' expert ' Greg Valentino? ;)
we've already been through this. You even acknowledged that Ronnie isn't fit to judge contests. ;)
No you came up with some excuses you'll cling to every single quote saying he's the Greatest of All-time but when The Greatest of All-time speaks his words mean nothing lol again we've been through Ronnie having motivation for lying at contests because of injuries what motivation would he have to lie about Yates being better? none if anything he's being dead-pan honest
and to further expose your level of desperation you'll attack Ronnie's judging abilities yet proudly post a quote from Flex Wheeler who said he outright beat Ronnie in 1999 and at the 2007 Mr Olympia had Ronnie Coleman in FIRST place after the pre-judging lol now don't you look stupid ( pssst don't answer that , it was rhetorical ;) ) Flex's opinion and judging abilities are GREAT Ronnie's isn't lol more Neo-stupid-logic , you're an idiot kid and I will continue pointing that out
yawn, I've already addressed this. 03 Ronnie's combination of size, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness outweigh whatever faults he may of had that year.
We've addressed EVERYTHING already you feel if you keep typing your same stupid comments over & over that they're right and its the same old bull shit same retard logic and faulty arguments
and Ronnie's combo in 2003 his strengths did outweighed his weaknesses RELATIVE to his mediocre competition that year that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates at his best who meets almost every single part of the criteria better than Ronnie with the exception of muscular bulk and it still has nothing to do with your stupid claim 2003 was his ' prime ' which no one who gets ' paid ' to follow contests agrees with for a very good reason , Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best Olympia lol oh but thats right he doesn't know much lol Neo does though lol
yes, it does mean exactly what I posted. Sorry but you're wrong here. I challenge you to ask other people if you don't believe me. ;)
It means exactly what you posted because YOU say so , you offer no proof what so ever just an appeal to numbers lol ask other people and if they agree I'm right , see faulty logic see argument ad populum next......
you tried to dismiss Mike Matarazzo by saying he's complimentary to everyone. However, your objection is irrelevant in this case b/c he specifically compares Dorian to Ronnie and says Ronnie is better.
I don't dismiss Mike but he stated also Dorian may go down as the greatest ever I'm sure you agree with that ::) and again I don't have a problem with Mike feeling Ronnie is better and he would beat Yates thats a POPULAR opinion it doesn't make it right ;) and again what makes Mike's opinion more valid than Ronnie's? you're stuck in the subjective circle where you're tying to prove that a popular opinion is a right opinion its the hallmark of faulty logic something you're very familiar with especially considering you use it so often
Dorian had less definition seven weeks out. What makes you think he looks more impressive than on contest day? Using your logic, Ronnie must of looked even better a few weeks out from competition. Any size advantage Dorian benefits from would be negated by Ronnie's increase in size.
How do you know he had less definition? you'd have to be present at all contests and photo shoots and we know you weren't you speaking like a fan-boy yet again , you're ignorant as to what great conditioning is you've already posted pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates seven weeks out implying he's smooth which NOTHING could be further from the truth , so you'd have to be savy on what conditioning is and isn't and you'd have to be there live & in person for every event for all the highs & lows and someone who was has commented on this subject and they say?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie was NEVER drier or harder than Dorian , NEVER means not in 1992/1996/1998/2001/2003/now until perpetuity and again you're taking liberties in thinking the same applies to Ronnie as it does Dorian NOT true its clearly evident the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioning suffered for it , which is true of most competitors however Dorian was the exception to that rule ( to a point ) another person who was there at their highs & lows
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
that conditioning has NOT been surpassed ! so Ronnie 2003 is down in density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation compared to a 269 pound Dorian what advantage does he have ? 18 pound advantage of less than dense size? Dorian's has way to many strengths for that and he's beaten plenty of bigger softer guys at much less bodyweights and speaking hypothetically Dorian could compete at 285 pounds and still crush Ronnie in every other aspect of the judging criteria so you're fucked either way ;)
the simple fact that you think Ronnie 2003 is his prime showing , shows us exactly how out of touch you are with judging of competitive bodybuilding , much like Hulkster and his powers of deduction which came to the conclusion Dorian lost in 1993/1995 and Ronnie dominated in 2001 it shows you people are clueless and your opinions are out of touch with how judges pick & choose the superior physique based on a set of criteria . your opinion are coupled with faulty logic and pathetically weak arguments so when push comes to shove I just laugh at you idiots not for being ignorant but for being to proud to admit you're wrong. ;)
now run along boy-Neo I own you and your master says " Go play "
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Hulkster is a jackass of gargantuan proportions. He continues to recycle the same 3 or 4 pics from the 1999 Olympia, and to say that, because he likes Ronnie's physique better, than it is. Wow, how can one argue with such deep logic? Dorian Yates has everything Ronnie has and then some. Size? Check. Symmetry? Better than Ronnie's. Hardness? Better than Ronnie's. Shape is subjective and Dorian has defeated bodybuilders with superior shape than Ronnie, like Wheeler. What objective superiority does Ronnie enjoy over Dorian? Taper? So what? Dorian compensates by having better abs and less muscles lacking.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Great post ! as usual his whole argument is contingent of a couple of screencaps from the 99 Olympia lol thats his argument oh and everyone agrees with me so we can't be wrong
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Great post ! as usual his whole argument is contingent of a couple of screencaps from the 99 Olympia lol thats his argument oh and everyone agrees with me so we can't be wrong
well, 40+ bodybuilding experts know a fuck of a lot more than you.
and all the visuals VERIFY what they have to say, a point you never seem to understand.
you act like we have no corroborating support for this particular opinion. you keep saying its all about numbers and nothing else.. ::)
when in actual fact, we have mountains of real visual evidence, the backbone of this entire sport.
its too bad that you don't understand simple things and you make the mistake of thinking that this is all an 'ad populum' argument.
maybe if you understood the fallacy that you are accusing all of us of making you might realize that you are wrong.
but you don't understand and never will.
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see what I mean:
you say this:
Ronnie was NEVER drier or harder than Dorian
and simple real life shows you are wrong.
and no amount of posting bullshit is going to change that.
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see what I mean:
you say this:
and simple real life shows you are wrong.
and no amount of posting bullshit is going to change that.
Again what do you know about competitive bodybuilding? nothing at all ! you're the complete idiot who claimed a much softer & less dry Flex Wheeler in 1993 beat Dorian at the Olympia you don't know what you're looking for and you post a muscletime photo of Yates compared to dvd screencap of Ronnie thats accurate ::) different lighting for both contests more proof of your ignorance.
Dorian Yates is an IFBB judge he's hes said specific to this debate he had better density & dryness compared to Ronnie ( among others ) and he knows a " fuck of a lot more than you. " ;)
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well, 40+ bodybuilding experts know a fuck of a lot more than you.
and all the visuals VERIFY what they have to say, a point you never seem to understand.
you act like we have no corroborating support for this particular opinion. you keep saying its all about numbers and nothing else.. ::)
when in actual fact, we have mountains of real visual evidence, the backbone of this entire sport.
its too bad that you don't understand simple things and you make the mistake of thinking that this is all an 'ad populum' argument.
maybe if you understood the fallacy that you are accusing all of us of making you might realize that you are wrong.
but you don't understand and never will.
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40+ experts who Greg Valentino? LMMFAO and again spoken like a true fan-boy and right back to the crutch of your entire argument , an appeal to numbers , like I asked Neo whats makes them any more right than ANYONE who said Yates would beat Ronnie? shear volume? ( argument ad populum ) what makes Greg Valentino more of an expert than " The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-time " ?
and real visual evidence? you mean admitted photoshop pictures? those were real too right? thats why you stopped posting them? lol and again your ' real visual evidence ' leads YOU to some wacky conclusions , after viewing the ' real visual evidence ' YOU came to the conclusion that Dorian lost the 1993/1995 Mr Olympias and Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia your opinion based on the ' real visual evidence ' ALWAYS contradicts the IFBB judges so when you make claims like Ronnie crushes Dorian in terms of conditioning your arguing against IFBB judges and you'll always fall flat on your face against them because they know what to look for and you don't and they look for it live & in person and not on the internet lol
Hulkster = internet-fan-boy
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and you post a muscletime photo of Yates compared to dvd screencap of Ronnie thats accurate
yes it is, actually.
you only say it is not accurate because you need an excuse like you always do ::).
in case you want more proof, here is a screencap to screencap comparison, and the result is the same.
nice pathetic try though..
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Geez, you guys have too much time on your hands!!! Go to the gym! Get a full-time job! Spend time with family and friends! Spend time with your girlfriend / wife! Get another hobby other than internet bantering with no end! This debate was lame before, and it's still lame! All the passion and energy you guys have exhausted in this debate could've been harnessed and used in some intense workouts at the gym instead. You guys will probably rip on me, but I could care less. Dorian and Ronnie were great champions, both worthy of being considered by different people as the greatest of all time, depending on what you like in a Mr. Olympia physique. Done. Next topic.
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dorian yates most muscular is not his best pose as u can see compared to coleman's.he did not have the muscle fullness in the delts and pecs didn't pop like ronnies.shawn ray was the master of that pose bar none.
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well, 40+ bodybuilding experts know a fuck of a lot more than you.
and all the visuals VERIFY what they have to say, a point you never seem to understand.
you act like we have no corroborating support for this particular opinion. you keep saying its all about numbers and nothing else..
when in actual fact, we have mountains of real visual evidence, the backbone of this entire sport.
its too bad that you don't understand simple things and you make the mistake of thinking that this is all an 'ad populum' argument.
maybe if you understood the fallacy that you are accusing all of us of making you might realize that you are wrong.
but you don't understand and never will.
Dude, looking at pictures doesen't prove anything if you don't know what you're looking for. I have already seen you claiming that Ronnie would beat Dorian due to better shape, but no one has ever defined what good shape is and we have seen bodybuilders with shapes as different as Nasser and Wheeler win contests. And Dorian has actually defeated bodybuilders who are regarded as having much better shape than Ronnie, like Wheeler.
Suppose you say the color green is superior to blue. How can I dispute that? This is the reason why sporting competition have impartial rules and goals that are used to determine the winner. In the case of bodybuilding, it is the I.F.B.B judging criteria. Why? Because we need objectivity and impartiality. Whether or not the I.F.B.B criteria is good or not is irrelevant; what's important is that it is a criteria that is impartial because it is neither based on my preference or yours.
We can create criterias that make our favorite bodybuilders better. For instance, if you value more round muscle bellies and striations and apply that criteria, then Ronnie is better than Dorian. If you value more muscular hardness, balanced development and skeletal structure, then Dorian is better than Ronnie. So we need a criteria that was created neither by Dorian fans or Ronnie fans to eliminate bias, and that is the I.F.B.B criteria. Now, according to that criteria, the version of Ronnie that would stand the best chance of defeating Dorian would be Ronnie's 1998 version, and not his 1999 one. If we are talking Ronnie 1998 vs Dorian 1995, then it would be very close, but Dorian would still win out due to his greater size. Now, Ronnie 1999 would just be crushed by Dorian 1995. By 1999 Ronnie had too many muscle imbalances and his conditioning would be too poor compared to Dorian for Ronnie to defeat him. Ronnie 2003 would also be crushed due to severe torso-legs assymetries, abdominal distension and also due to the fact that he would look off-season next to Dorian.
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Typical of you to always answer a question with a question ! and the same people who get paid to attend shows and write reviews YOU have dismissed as flat out wrong ( what was his major in college English lit? ) and no explanation why their words carry more weight than " The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-time " we're just supposed to take your word for it lol more of your retard logic and its not just Ronnie or Taylor or Priest either again you looking to find comfort in numbers
ha ha ha, wtf? I wasn't answering your question with a question, dumbass. I was restating your question in my response in case you forgot what we were talking about. As for Ronnie, he's already contradicted himself and proven he isn't fit to judge contests.
I agree that Ronnie is considered the Greatest of all-time just based on the amount of pro wins and Olympia wins , and again the bulk of the quote have to do with with this fact and the his competition at that PARTICULAR contest and your M.O. is always the same you avoid questions , answer questions with questions and project your inabilities on me you're so predictable and semantics I laughed out when I read this you're NOTORIOUS for playing with words
stop lying. The majority of the quotes are referring to Ronnie's physique and specifically call him the greatest "ever." Last time I checked, "ever" means compared to everyone else in history. So I don't know where you got the impression they are only comparing him to his competition at the time.
You fell flat on your face because you're taking liberties with quotes Team Flex which include both McGough and Perine have claimed that the only other guy who could beat Ronnie 2001 is you guessed it , Dorian Yates but you keep posting this as if its proof what makes the other Team Flex members right and these two wrong? answer the question as well
Team Flex consists of a staff of editors and photographers. It's not just the 2 guys you mentioned. I find it hilarious that you regularly posted that Flex poll from 99 that said Dorian has the best back of all-time yet you try to discredit them now when they disagree with you. Furthermore, Peter McGough and Shawn Perine never said Dorian and Ronnie are tied in physiques. They merely named Dorian as a contender. However, they explicitly called Ronnie at his prime unbeatable. ;)
And interestingly enough both men also said 1998/2001 is Ronnie at his prime to drag up more of your stupid logic if you agree with ANY quote from them you're now bound to every quote by them ( I dismiss the logic long ago but just rehashed to expose your hypocrisy) now look who is playing with words again they mention nothing about tying him using the IFBB judging citeria Dorian would have way to many advantages for a very light Ronnie and make a heavy Ronnie look ' soft ' ( 2003 )
I could care less which version of Ronnie they consider his prime. What matters is that Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel Ronnie at his best is untouchable.
No you came up with some excuses you'll cling to every single quote saying he's the Greatest of All-time but when The Greatest of All-time speaks his words mean nothing lol again we've been through Ronnie having motivation for lying at contests because of injuries what motivation would he have to lie about Yates being better? none if anything he's being dead-pan honest
yawn, we've been through this already.
"so you admit that Ronnie is not fit to judge contests, yet you continue to post his quote saying who would win if he competed against Dorian?"
you can't answer the question b/c it would expose your hypocrisy. ;)
and Ronnie's combo in 2003 his strengths did outweighed his weaknesses RELATIVE to his mediocre competition that year that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates at his best who meets almost every single part of the criteria better than Ronnie with the exception of muscular bulk and it still has nothing to do with your stupid claim 2003 was his ' prime ' which no one who gets ' paid ' to follow contests agrees with for a very good reason , Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best Olympia lol oh but thats right he doesn't know much lol Neo does though lol
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Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
It means exactly what you posted because YOU say so , you offer no proof what so ever just an appeal to numbers lol ask other people and if they agree I'm right , see faulty logic see argument ad populum next......
ha ha ha, your arguments are so lame. You cry "ad populum" whenever people disagree with you. Have you ever considered that maybe they know what they are talking about and you don't? You aren't that intelligent, actually mediocre if I say so, and you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader. Paul Dillet explicitly says nobody can measure up to the standards Ronnie set. This is the same as saying Ronnie raised the bar higher than his predecessors. It logically follows that he would beat everyone who came before him, including Dorian Yates.
I don't dismiss Mike but he stated also Dorian may go down as the greatest ever I'm sure you agree with that and again I don't have a problem with Mike feeling Ronnie is better and he would beat Yates thats a POPULAR opinion it doesn't make it right and again what makes Mike's opinion more valid than Ronnie's? you're stuck in the subjective circle where you're tying to prove that a popular opinion is a right opinion its the hallmark of faulty logic something you're very familiar with especially considering you use it so often
all irrelevant babble. Mike Matarazzo specifically compares Dorian to Ronnie and says Ronnie is better. ;)
How do you know he had less definition? you'd have to be present at all contests and photo shoots and we know you weren't you speaking like a fan-boy yet again , you're ignorant as to what great conditioning is you've already posted pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates seven weeks out implying he's smooth which NOTHING could be further from the truth , so you'd have to be savy on what conditioning is and isn't and you'd have to be there live & in person for every event for all the highs & lows and someone who was has commented on this subject and they say?
I know Dorian had less definition b/c he continued to diet for his competition. Are you honestly telling me that he gained fat between 7 weeks out and contest day?
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ha ha ha, wtf? I wasn't answering your question with a question, dumbass. I was restating your question in my response in case you forgot what we were talking about. As for Ronnie, he's already contradicted himself and proven he isn't fit to judge contests.
stop lying. The majority of the quotes are referring to Ronnie's physique and specifically call him the greatest "ever." Last time I checked, "ever" means compared to everyone else in history. So I don't know where you got the impression they are only comparing him to his competition at the time.
Team Flex consists of a staff of editors and photographers. It's not just the 2 guys you mentioned. I find it hilarious that you regularly posted that Flex poll from 99 that said Dorian has the best back of all-time yet you try to discredit them now when they disagree with you. Furthermore, Peter McGough and Shawn Perine never said Dorian and Ronnie are tied in physiques. They merely named Dorian as a contender. However, they explicitly called Ronnie at his prime unbeatable. ;)
I could care less which version of Ronnie they consider his prime. What matters is that Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel Ronnie at his best is untouchable.
yawn, we've been through this already.
"so you admit that Ronnie is not fit to judge contests, yet you continue to post his quote saying who would win if he competed against Dorian?"
you can't answer the question b/c it would expose your hypocrisy. ;)
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Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
ha ha ha, your arguments are so lame. You cry "ad populum" whenever people disagree with you. Have you ever considered that maybe they know what they are talking about and you don't? You aren't that intelligent, actually mediocre if I say so, and you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader. Paul Dillet explicitly says nobody can measure up to the standards Ronnie set. This is the same as saying Ronnie raised the bar higher than his predecessors. It logically follows that he would beat everyone who came before him, including Dorian Yates.
all irrelevant babble. Mike Matarazzo specifically compares Dorian to Ronnie and says Ronnie is better. ;)
I know Dorian had less definition b/c he continued to diet for his competition. Are you honestly telling me that he gained fat between 7 weeks out and contest day?
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everything you typed has been addressed already , you're rehashing the same shit and I don't have the desire to respond ( yet again ) to an idiot who will continue to type the same shit and thinks its right
run along and play Neo you bore me ;)
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pics mean nothin i was at both those contests and dorian looks 20 times better in person ronnie looks just as good as pics as he does in real life
i think it has to do with ronnies dark skin and dorian being pale regularly and few white guys look better in real life like labrada i notice you keep sayin ronnie has better conditionin than dorian thats not true i seen both from 2 feet away and dorians conditionin was much better but ronnie might come close in 98 but stop using pics as proof cause they dont mean nothin
Great post ! but you're posting to a fan-boy who's never been to any of the contests.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman88.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman83.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaPrejudging8ab.jpg)
Dorian was great but I don't buy him beating the above in any form at all. With a smaller waist and no injuries, it might be close though.
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everything you typed has been addressed already , you're rehashing the same shit and I don't have the desire to respond ( yet again ) to an idiot who will continue to type the same shit and thinks its right
ha ha ha, sure. I countered all of your arguments and then some. I'll rest on my laurels now. ;)
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ha ha ha, sure. I countered all of your arguments and then some. I'll rest on my laurels now. ;)
You've done nothing as usual , you haven't answered any of the questions I've asked you just keep repeating your same lame ' arguments ' you think if you type the same nonsense over and over it means you're right and you're not
again you bore me and you're not worth the effort , and keep playing follow the leader I rested on my laurels eons ago when I stop posting in the truce thread ;) now you're trying to save face and claiming the same lol you can't rest on your laurels hence why you keep following me from thread to thread trying to even the score lol still haven't learned have you? ;)
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pics mean nothin i was at both those contests and dorian looks 20 times better in person ronnie looks just as good as pics as he does in real life
i think it has to do with ronnies dark skin and dorian being pale regularly and few white guys look better in real life like labrada i notice you keep sayin ronnie has better conditionin than dorian thats not true i seen both from 2 feet away and dorians conditionin was much better but ronnie might come close in 98 but stop using pics as proof cause they dont mean nothin
lol stop using pics?
the fact that dorian is so far inferior is really eating you guys up isn't it?
you have to beg us not to post the visuals because dorian gets owned so fucking badly..
sorry, but Ronnie has no mercy:
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goddamn ronnie is fucking unbelievable...
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pics mean nothin i was at both those contests and dorian looks 20 times better in person ronnie looks just as good as pics as he does in real life
bullshit.
you guys will pull any excuse out your ass to avoid the reality of the visuals upon which this sport is based...
dorian gets owned and you can't stand it.
so try and sweep it all under the carpet and pretend it means nothing.
which is pathetic and stupid.
and about the best admission of defeat that you can possibly come up with.
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goddamn ronnie is fucking unbelievable...
as you can see, the pics certainly shead light on the topic of dorian vs ronnie.
and dorian loses by a wide margin.
and the nuthuggers just can't stand it..
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bullshit.
you guys will pull any excuse out your ass to avoid the reality of the visuals upon which this sport is based...
dorian gets owned and you can't stand it.
so try and sweep it all under the carpet and pretend it means nothing.
which is pathetic and stupid.
and about the best admission of defeat that you can possibly come up with.
meltdown lol
someone who is there and you're telling them they're wrong textbook meltdown lol
Hulkster = emo
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as you can see, the pics certainly shead light on the topic of dorian vs ronnie.
and dorian loses by a wide margin.
and the nuthuggers just can't stand it..
lmfao Dorian loses by a wide margin my ass , spoken like a true fan-boy post one pic and says WOW he's owned ::)
Sorry slick you see what you want to see
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lol stop using pics?
the fact that dorian is so far inferior is really eating you guys up isn't it?
you have to beg us not to post the visuals because dorian gets owned so fucking badly..
sorry, but Ronnie has no mercy:
Again typical Hulkster when an eyewitness crushes his bullshit he cries lol thats all you have left kid , excuses and tears lol
mmmmm continue with the meltdown
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This is seriously one of the most incredible shots I've ever seen. Damn.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256742;image)
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This is seriously one of the most incredible shots I've ever seen. Damn.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256742;image)
dude the comparison pic hulkster put up with ronnie's MM is just absolutely owning dorian..
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dude the comparison pic hulkster put up with ronnie's MM is just absolutely owning dorian..
Agree, and here's a direct ownage of that shot of Dorian's onstage, when Nasser was still about 15 lbs smaller than his prime.
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Ownage my ass. Dorian is standing at least 5-10 feet further back than Nasser. Just look at the thickness of Dorian's chest! The crowd ROARED when Dorian hit that shot.
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can somebody post comparison pictures from any single mr.o where dorian is teh clear winner?????
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Ownage my ass. Dorian is standing at least 5-10 feet further back than Nasser. Just look at the thickness of Dorian's chest! The crowd ROARED when Dorian hit that shot.
Yes, that's why their head, hands, etc.are the same size? ::)
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can somebody post comparison pictures from any single mr.o where dorian is teh clear winner?????
spoken like a true fan-boy lol
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spoken like a true fan-boy lol
can you? seriously
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Yes, that's why their head, hands, etc.are the same size? ::)
Dorian is standing further back but its not like that makes a difference Dorian crushes him anyway .
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can you? seriously
the fact you don't think Yates is clearly winning shows your bias/ignorance which is ok but again you're a fan-boy with statements like that
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the fact you don't think Yates is clearly winning shows your bias/ignorance which is ok but again you're a fan-boy with statements like that
i cant recall a mr. o where he wasnt rivaled by one of the following = nasser, shawn, levrone... please put up some pics if youve got a year where he deserved the sandow
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You've done nothing as usual , you haven't answered any of the questions I've asked you just keep repeating your same lame ' arguments ' you think if you type the same nonsense over and over it means you're right and you're not
pathetic lie to avoid responding to my post. I'll give you a few examples where I addressed your false accussations and countered your arguments.
- I didn't answer your question with a question like you claimed
- you lied about the majority of the quotes referring to Ronnie's number of wins
- you unsucessfully tried to argue that "best ever" means best on that given day
- you tried to discredit Team Flex (and failed)
- you conveniently avoided my question regarding Ronnie's ability to judge contests
- I dismantled your ad populum argument in response to Paul Dillet's comment
again you bore me and you're not worth the effort , and keep playing follow the leader I rested on my laurels eons ago when I stop posting in the truce thread now you're trying to save face and claiming the same lol you can't rest on your laurels hence why you keep following me from thread to thread trying to even the score lol still haven't learned have you?
refer to above. ;)
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i cant recall a mr. o where he wasnt rivaled by one of the following = nasser, shawn, levrone... please put up some pics if youve got a year where he deserved the sandow
The fact you think he had rivals again shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding it really does , Yates dominated bodybuilding which means he didn't have any rivals
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The fact you think he had rivals again shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding it really does , Yates dominated bodybuilding which means he didn't have any rivals
how so? any argument concerning aethetics and shape yates is no doubt going to be on the short end of the stick. sure, he was always grainy, and he always had the best back on stage while he was competing. but that doesnt necessarily mean he should be the champ. when people are killing you from the front, and much more aesthetic, just as conditioned, and the only thing you got on them is a back... why should you win?
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pathetic lie to avoid responding to my post. I'll give you a few examples where I addressed your false accussations and countered your arguments.
- I didn't answer your question with a question like you claimed
- you lied about the majority of the quotes referring to Ronnie's number of wins
- you unsucessfully tried to argue that "best ever" means best on that given day
- you tried to discredit Team Flex (and failed)
- you conveniently avoided my question regarding Ronnie's ability to judge contests
- I dismantled your ad populum argument in response to Paul Dillet's comment
refer to above. ;)
I've addressed every one of those time & time again you're full of shit period ! you have no argument at all you keeping posting thinking that proves you're right and then you post some nonsense how you can now rest on your laurels LMMFAO no you can't for a damn good reason you keep trying to prove to ME you're right ;) I don't have to prove anything to you hence why I don't post in the truce thread anymore and you guys are so pissed I can do what you can't you now have been reduced to following ME around trying to prove to ME you're right.
You copy how I type , my tag lines you style you're very much a follower to my leader and the best part is you still don't know shit about competitive bodybuilding ;) again you bore and you type in circles you lack any challenge and I've said many times previously you're lucky I'm even responding to you , well your luck has run out ;)
run along and play now Neo
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how so? any argument concerning aethetics and shape yates is no doubt going to be on the short end of the stick. sure, he was always grainy, and he always had the best back on stage while he was competing. but that doesnt necessarily mean he should be the champ. when people are killing you from the front, and much more aesthetic, just as conditioned, and the only thing you got on them is a back... why should you win?
Dorian NEVER won because of aesthetics that means dick , maybe to you it does but in reality it means zero , Yates beat among the most aesthetic bodybuilders of all time , you're high if you think Coleman is aesthetic to boot
please learn that all rounds are physique rounds what that means is every single part of the criteria is assessed in every single pose , so while you think Dorian is getting killed from the front he's not and why? because he meets the criteria better than his contemporaries hence why is recieved straight firsts in almost every single Olympia contest he won
judges look for muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation in every single pose from every single angle and although some competitors beat Yates in PART of the criteria all rounds are physique rounds and that means Dorian beats all of his contemporaries in ALL of the criteria as a whole.
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aethetics, in general, is everything. aesthetics takes into account shape symetry size definiton conditioning muscle maturity...aesthetics is the overall look of the body...
dorian had mass and he had grainyness... other than that he had nothing
his body was ugly, plain nd simple. mr olympia should not have an ugly physqiue.
ronnie coleman was VERY aesthetic when hitting the poses ever year except 2004, 2006, and 2007... every other year when he hit the poses he had the big x frame and all the right curves cuts had the the look... gut distension does not = poor aesthetics...sorry..
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Question: Why is it that Dorian takes the most heat for getting gift-titles of all former Mr. Olympia winners? ND and England_1 seriously think that is just the result of fan-boys, bias/ignorant people, etc.? ::) How come no one argues that half or more of Ronnie's wins were gifts and can back it up with pictures? Same for Haney, any Mr. Olympia winner? Dorian is the only one can be adequately questioned over half or more than half of his wins.
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aethetics, in general, is everything. aesthetics takes into account shape symetry size definiton conditioning muscle maturity...aesthetics is the overall look of the body...
dorian had mass and he had grainyness... other than that he had nothing
his body was ugly, plain nd simple. mr olympia should not have an ugly physqiue.
ronnie coleman was VERY aesthetic when hitting the poses ever year except 2004, 2006, and 2007... every other year when he hit the poses he had the big x frame and all the right curves cuts had the the look... gut distension does not = poor aesthetics...sorry..
Ronnie was not aesthetic LMFAO. Aesthetic was Flex Wheeler, and it didn't help him one bit. Mr. Olympia is the best combination of mass and conditioning. Flex never had that, Kevin never had it, and never did Shawn Ray. No one could really compare to Dorian in both aspects combined.
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watch this video
this should clear up any confusion
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Flex is aesthetic. Ronnie was not.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4842-5/1998-mr-olympia-117.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=ad9569dbeac0bae502cb3e7be15c6819)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4894-4/1998-mr-olympia-130.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=ad9569dbeac0bae502cb3e7be15c6819)
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Ronnie was not aesthetic LMFAO. Aesthetic was Flex Wheeler, and it didn't help him one bit. Mr. Olympia is the best combination of mass and conditioning. Flex never had that, Kevin never had it, and never did Shawn Ray. No one could really compare to Dorian in both aspects combined.
This should pretty much end the discussion about Dorian being any bigger, more aesthetic, or thicker in the back department than Coleman.
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4397/dorianvsronnie26proof1ps1.jpg)
Sorry, but that just sums it all up. Coleman>Yates. I still love ya Dorian, but he was beat when it comes down to it.
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Gotta respectively disagree about Wheeler being more aesthetic than Coleman. From the '99 O.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6615/17mx4.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9318/16rx5.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6654/87866453po1.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4452/92377325gk5.jpg
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Flex is aesthetic. Ronnie was not.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4842-5/1998-mr-olympia-117.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=ad9569dbeac0bae502cb3e7be15c6819)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4894-4/1998-mr-olympia-130.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=ad9569dbeac0bae502cb3e7be15c6819)
This is England_1's definition of "aesthetic" ::)
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I've addressed every one of those time & time again you're full of shit period ! you have no argument at all you keeping posting thinking that proves you're right and then you post some nonsense how you can now rest on your laurels LMMFAO no you can't for a damn good reason you keep trying to prove to ME you're right I don't have to prove anything to you hence why I don't post in the truce thread anymore and you guys are so pissed I can do what you can't you now have been reduced to following ME around trying to prove to ME you're right.
no, you haven't addressed any of them. You realized that you are wrong. So now you're avoiding responding to my counter-arguments. ;)
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This is England_1's definition of "aesthetic" ::)
I never said Yates was aesthetic. Not sure why you are bringing that up except to knock Yates. The Mr. Olympia title has nothing to do with aesthetics. It is simply all about the best combination of mass and condition. Haney, Yates, and Coleman were never the most aesthetic or even close to it, yet they still won all the titles.
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I never said Yates was aesthetic. Not sure why you are bringing that up except to knock Yates. The Mr. Olympia title has nothing to do with aesthetics. It is simply all about the best combination of mass and condition. Haney, Yates, and Coleman were never the most aesthetic or even close to it, yet they still won all the titles.
England_1: I have no reason to try to knock Yates. I actually like Dorian, I think he had one of the greatest physiques ever, just not as good as Ronnie or Nasser, and in 96-97 not even as good as Levrone, Ray or Wheeler. The only reason I get involved from time to time in these threads is because I think it's ludicrous how you guys try to argue that he was better than Ronnie overall, and claim that he looks better in pictures where he is clearly being owned, or try to dismiss pictures as being irrelevent since "you had to be there" ::)
Anyway, can you pleaes answer the question I posted earlier: "Question: Why is it that Dorian takes the most heat for getting gift-titles of all former Mr. Olympia winners? ND and England_1 seriously think that is just the result of fan-boys, bias/ignorant people, etc.? How come no one argues that half or more of Ronnie's wins were gifts and can back it up with pictures? Same for Haney, any Mr. Olympia winner? Dorian is the only one can be adequately questioned over half or more than half of his wins."
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no, you haven't addressed any of them. You realized that you are wrong. So now you're avoiding responding to my counter-arguments. ;)
I'm sure you believe that , I'm sure you believe 2003 is Ronnie's ' prime ' and Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian , I have no doubts you believe that . I like to entertain other peoples opinion I enjoy talking about competitive bodybuilding its why I post here I gave your opinion a shot I listened to everything you ever typed and I cam to the overwhelming conclusion you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding and the novelty of exposing your nonsense has worn off , to sum it up you bore me
you like to play with words you're a blatant hypocrite and you really don't know much about how competitive bodybuilding is judged and what to look for they say ignorance is bliss you must be the happiest guy on GetBig ;)
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pics mean nothin i was at both those contests and dorian looks 20 times better in person ronnie looks just as good as pics as he does in real life
Please, give me a break with this bs about yates looking 20 times better in person and Ronnie doesn't.
Photos Don’t Do Ronnie Justice:
1) Mike Mattarazo on Ronnie 2002 Mr. Olympia. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
"Freak of nature. Pictures and television doesn't do him justice. You have to stand next to this guy to see how much beef is on this dude."
2) All in a Night's Work - http://www.flexonline.com/news/61
“As for the contest itself, few seem to dispute Ronnie's dominance, even many of his fellow competitors. For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron's level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
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aethetics, in general, is everything. aesthetics takes into account shape symetry size definiton conditioning muscle maturity...aesthetics is the overall look of the body...
dorian had mass and he had grainyness... other than that he had nothing
his body was ugly, plain nd simple. mr olympia should not have an ugly physqiue.
ronnie coleman was VERY aesthetic when hitting the poses ever year except 2004, 2006, and 2007... every other year when he hit the poses he had the big x frame and all the right curves cuts had the the look... gut distension does not = poor aesthetics...sorry..
aesthetics in general is NOT everything and stop typing the same shit like its different criteria definition is conditioning and aesthetics has nothing to do with size one can be aesthetic and small and aesthetic and massive , symmetry is part of aesthetics and you need to have great muscle balance & proportion which Ronnie doesn't , the hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is delts , calves and abdominals Ronnie is missing two of these now he does have better ' shape ' than Dorian however that has nothing to do it because almost everyone had better ' shape ' than Dorian
your comment that Dorian had mass and graininess and thats all is again ignorant , he had great size great balance & proportion coupled with great density & dryness he didn't need an aesthetic physique to beat everyone who did
now your opinion now Mr Olympia should have an ' ugly ' physique lol look no further than Coleman 98 with bitch tits and looking pregnant this is aesthetic? I know you don't think a gut makes a less than aesthetic physique but the IFBB does hence they made a rule for it I think because of Ronnie
again you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding you sure don't know anything of you think Ronnie was aesthetic lol what numbers was he on Flex's list again of the top 20 most aesthetic physiques? lol
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I see ND is getting raked across by everyone yet again, ignoring all the points against him and ignoring the bloody obvious concerning dorian's 'perfect score' wins despite him getting owned by just about everyone in many front shots across all years...
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Please, give me a break with this bs about yates looking 20 times better in person and Ronnie doesn't.
Photos Don’t Do Ronnie Justice:
1) Mike Mattarazo on Ronnie 2002 Mr. Olympia. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
"Freak of nature. Pictures and television doesn't do him justice. You have to stand next to this guy to see how much beef is on this dude."
2) All in a Night's Work - http://www.flexonline.com/news/61
“As for the contest itself, few seem to dispute Ronnie's dominance, even many of his fellow competitors. For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron's level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
You're to emotional to post on here lol the guy gives his opinion and you jump down his throat lol its like you were there either lol
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damn, ND is getting owned in yet another thread. ;D
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can you? seriously
no he can't.
thats why he has to make up total bullshit about dorian looking better in person but that no one else does..
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its the only way he can possibly justify it..
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I see ND is getting raked across by everyone yet again, ignoring all the points against him and ignoring the bloody obvious concerning dorian's 'perfect score' wins despite him getting owned by just about everyone in many front shots across all years...
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I can see you're still melting down whenever an eyewitness just stomps the living shit out of your opinion ;)
Hulkster you'll always be stuck in cries of politics and excuses Dorian owns the ab-thigh & front latspread NO ONE is owning him in these shots nevermind the side shots and back shots so as usual keep contradicting people who were actually there ;) like the judges
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no he can't.
thats why he has to make up total bullshit about dorian looking better in person but that no one else does..
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its the only way he can possibly justify it..
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Oh yeah its not like IFBB judges never said the same , or writers and other fans lol everyone is lying ::)
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damn, ND is getting owned in yet another thread. ;D
I see Neo is still looking for my attention ;)
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I find it funny that Dorian lost to Lee Haney who had more size and better shape even though Dorian edged him out in conditioning. Ronnie has the same advantages over Dorian that Lee Haney did, yet ND is too dumb to realize this and still believes that Dorian would win.
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Oh yeah its not like IFBB judges never said the same , or writers and other fans lol everyone is lying ::)
yes they did.
the judges were instructed by Uncle Joe. Why else can any reputable judge say that a horribly torn bi was 'barely noticable'. Was that judge fucking blind? ::) no, but he was doing as he was told.
the writers and fans were not, hence the widespread criticism of dorian in magazines (non-wieder) during the mid 90's and wide spread criticism all over the internet for obvious reasons today.
thanks for proving exactly his point.
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yes they did.
the judges were instructed by Uncle Joe. Why else can any reputable judge say that a horribly torn bi was 'barely noticable'. Was that judge fucking blind? ::) no, but he was doing as he was told.
the writers and fans were not, hence the widespread criticism of dorian in magazines (non-wieder) during the mid 90's and wide spread criticism all over the internet for obvious reasons today.
thanks for proving exactly his point.
Politics , politics . politics its all you have
did the Uncle Joe instruct the judges in 2001/2002/2004? no in fact Ronnie ' dominated ' lol
as usual you just have conspiracy theories and excuses , eyewitnesses , writers and judges all say Yates looks 20X better in person , Hulkster says they're all wrong lol
Hulkster = dummy
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I find it funny that Dorian lost to Lee Haney who had more size and better shape even though Dorian edged him out in conditioning. Ronnie has the same advantages over Dorian that Lee Haney did, yet ND is too dumb to realize this and still believes that Dorian would win.
Dorian actually beat the heavier Haney in the muscularity round when he was 10 pounds lighter ;) Dorian wasn't anywhere near his prime he invited Haney to compete in 1993 and he would have crushed him even at less than 100% Dorian still did damage ! Haney was untouchable for years until the ' blocky white guy ' came along and I love how you're always trying to play connect the dots lol
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Dorian actually beat the heavier Haney in the muscularity round when he was 10 pounds lighter
whooop-tee-f*cking-doo!!!! Dorian still lost to Lee Haney for all the same reasons that he would lose to Ronnie Coleman. ;)
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Politics , politics . politics its all you have
did the Uncle Joe instruct the judges in 2001/2002/2004? no in fact Ronnie ' dominated ' lol
as usual you just have conspiracy theories and excuses , eyewitnesses , writers and judges all say Yates looks 20X better in person , Hulkster says they're all wrong lol
Hulkster = dummy
god damn you are stupid.
you are actually saying that THIS was 'barely noticable"?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
this is your politcal evidence right here idiot:
for a judge to say that, well, thats all the proof you need:
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whooop-tee-f*cking-doo!!!! Dorian still lost to Lee Haney for all the same reasons that he would lose to Ronnie Coleman. ;)
Again I'm sure you believe this just like you believe 2003 was ' prime ' lol
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This should pretty much end the discussion about Dorian being any bigger, more aesthetic, or thicker in the back department than Coleman.
I made that comparison along with several others. Here's another one.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)
here are some comparisons of them with Ronnie at a lighter bodyweight.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie43a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie40a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie13b.jpg)
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god damn you are stupid.
you are actually saying that THIS was 'barely noticable"?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
this is your politcal evidence right here idiot:
for a judge to say that, well, thats all the proof you need:
Sure and the judges said ( now pay attention dummy ) it made NO overall difference what so ever . no overall get it? ok lets say Dorian should have not one with a perfect score simply because of the torn bicep in the front double biceps shot , he's still going to won every other shot lol
spare me the politics you're the last one who has a right to claim this nonsense especially after 2001/2002
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Dorian looks way better to me. I would take Yates 93 over anything Coleman ever produced. Yates best back of all time
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I made that comparison along with several others. Here's another one.
here are some comparisons of them with Ronnie at a lighter bodyweight.
Neo = out of touch with reality ;)
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lol
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Dorian looks way better to me. I would take Yates 93 over anything Coleman ever produced. Yates best back of all time
Great post ! smart man.
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Neo = out of touch with reality
says the fool who made these embarrassing comparisons. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=129348;image)
I cut out the image of Dorian he used and compared it to the original pic.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDIsRetarded.jpg)
suddenly Dorian is 4-5" taller than Ronnie. Note how Dorian's feet are cut off.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=131738;image)
notice how Ronnie's head changes shape in one comparison to the next.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=131807;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=131809;image)
Ronnie has a narrower waist at 287 lbs than Melvin Anthony. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=137802;image)
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lol
Look at the hard, stony graininess of Dorian compared to the puffy, plastic look of Coleman. Some of these guys have no understanding of the importance of conditioning. Yates kills him in every single facet. great comparison
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says the fool who made these embarrassing comparisons. ;)
I cut out the image of Dorian he used and compared it to the original pic.
the difference is I'm not still posting them ;) all you can do is try Neo and who knew Yates' and Ronnie had the same size waist line and calves ???
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lmmfao suddenly Dorian;s waist is narrower than Ronnie and his calves are smaller and Ronnie has feet the same size as Shaq
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lmmfao
umm, you do realize that Dorian's forearms are rotated forward while Ronnie's are pointing straight up? That explains why Ronnie's forearms appear longer.
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umm, you do realize that Dorian's forearms are rotated forward while Ronnie's are pointing straight up? That explains why Ronnie's forearms appear longer.
What explains the waist , hips and calves? ;) oh and explain how Ronnie's lats insert just as low as Dorian's now ? lol you can't change the length of your muscles ( besides a tear )
I'm glad you don't embarrass yourself with that anymore lol I mean talk about fan-boy delusions
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I love how ND ignores the congruence of anatomical landmarks (which is awfully coincidental if the pics are not scaled properly) and thinks he's discredited my comparison by pointing out foot size. ::)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4397/dorianvsronnie26proof1ps1.jpg)
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I love how ND ignores the congruence of anatomical landmarks (which is awfully coincidental if the pics are not scaled properly) and thinks he's discredited my comparison by pointing out foot size. ::)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4397/dorianvsronnie26proof1ps1.jpg)
See fail ;) wait you're already there
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You're to emotional to post on here lol the guy gives his opinion and you jump down his throat lol its like you were there either lol
LOL, no not emotional, just posting what experts, writers and bodybuilders say. They know more than all of us combined. So, SORRY TRY AGAIN
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LOL, no not emotional, just posting what experts, writers and bodybuilders say. They know more than all of us combined. So, SORRY TRY AGAIN
Again he was there he knows more than you and he said Yates looks better in person where is the ' experts ' who disagree with that?
I'll be waiting ;)
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no one is disagreeing that dorian didn't look better in person, you idiot.
what people are disagreeing on is that the particular trait was UNIQUE TO DORIAN as you claim.
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you seem to think that the same is not true of Ronnie, which of course, is stupid.
its true of all pros live and up close.
trust me, I know.
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no one is disagreeing that dorian didn't look better in person, you idiot.
what people are disagreeing on is that the particular trait was UNIQUE TO DORIAN as you claim.
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you seem to think that the same is not true of Ronnie, which of course, is stupid.
its true of all pros live and up close.
trust me, I know.
No you don't know and NO its not true of all Pros thanks for playing dummy
McGough already said this applied to Dorian yet Shawn looked better in pics and you already dismissed all the eyewitnesses who actually seen these guys in person you are ignorant
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Again he was there he knows more than you and he said Yates looks better in person where is the ' experts ' who disagree with that?
I'll be waiting ;)
LOL, Dumba$$ did you not read the quotes? These guys who know more about bodybuilding than any of us are paid to write, comment and judge what they see.
Those guys I quoted also including the 40 + other people I quoted were their and saw both yates and Ronnie in person during their prime and said Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. They know more than me, him and you. You can't counter this so stop making pathetic attemps.
Seriously you need to get a job and get out more. You're on here like some troll defending his long lost lover. Grow up.
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No you don't know and NO its not true of all Pros thanks for playing dummy
McGough already said this applied to Dorian yet Shawn looked better in pics and you already dismissed all the eyewitnesses who actually seen these guys in person you are ignorant
shawn looked better in close up pics because he was much shorter than dorian.
Ronnie isn't.
next. ::)
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LOL, Dumba$$ did you not read the quotes? These guys who know more about bodybuilding than any of us are paid to write, comment and judge what they see.
Those guys I quoted also including the 40 + other people I quoted were their and saw both yates and Ronnie in person during their prime and said Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. They know more than me, him and you. You can't counter this so stop making pathetic attemps.
Seriously you need to get a job and get out more. You're on here like some troll defending his long lost lover. Grow up.
Again you're way to emo you take this almost as seriously as Hulkster
Again what makes any of those quotes more right than Ronnie Coleman himself? or others that said Yates would win? and I'm still laughing at Greg Valentino lol as an ' expert ' lmmfao
Ronald Dean Coleman has said on three separate occasions that he couldn't beat Dorian Yates to say any other person's word carries more weight than The Greatest Bodybuilder or All-time is really stupid but then again you guys are very ignorant lol
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shawn looked better in close up pics because he was much shorter than dorian.
Ronnie isn't.
next. ::)
LMMFAO this is your response? no McGough said Ray looks better in pictures than in real life it has NOTHING to do with his height you fucking dummy lol
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
Hulkster = poor reading comprehension skills
I'm still laughing at the height excuse lol
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Anyway, can you pleaes answer the question I posted earlier: "Question: Why is it that Dorian takes the most heat for getting gift-titles of all former Mr. Olympia winners? ND and England_1 seriously think that is just the result of fan-boys, bias/ignorant people, etc.? How come no one argues that half or more of Ronnie's wins were gifts and can back it up with pictures? Same for Haney, any Mr. Olympia winner? Dorian is the only one can be adequately questioned over half or more than half of his wins."
Because certain members here have posted the absolute worst pictures of Yates they can find and then run with that as if it means anything. The funny thing is, ND is the one who posted/scanned all those pics to begin with. And they have the nerve to say he ignores visual evidence ::) Another disparity lies in the fact that there have been several posters on this forum who attended many of Yates' contests, namely 93 and 95, and stated that it was over "the second Yates walked out." To me, that holds far more credence than Hulkster, who's never seen a IFBB contest let alone the Olympia. He also claimed that Flex won the 93 Olympia :-\. There are also some devastating candid photos from 1997 by "Jonnytosh" buried in the Truce thread that show Dorian dominating. To me, Dorian embodies everything that bodybuilding should be: unparalleled dedication, intelligence, and desire to be the best even if you come from a lesser background.
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_108.jpg)
(http://www.dorianyatesapproved.co.uk/images/dorian_yates.jpg)
(http://www.kennyherriot.co.uk/images/photosales5.jpg)
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Jesus, this shot simply blows my mind every time I see it. It just cannot get better than this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256772;image)
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Because certain members here have posted the absolute worst pictures of Yates they can find and then run with that as if it means anything. The funny thing is, ND is the one who posted/scanned all those pics to begin with. And they have the nerve to say he ignores visual evidence ::) Another disparity lies in the fact that there have been several posters on this forum who attended many of Yates' contests, namely 93 and 95, and stated that it was over "the second Yates walked out." To me, that holds far more credence than Hulkster, who's never seen a IFBB contest let alone the Olympia. He also claimed that Flex won the 93 Olympia :-\. There are also some devastating candid photos from 1997 by "Jonnytosh" buried in the Truce thread that show Dorian dominating. To me, Dorian embodies everything that bodybuilding should be: unparalleled dedication, intelligence, and desire to be the best even if you come from a lesser background.
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_108.jpg)
(http://www.dorianyatesapproved.co.uk/images/dorian_yates.jpg)
(http://www.kennyherriot.co.uk/images/photosales5.jpg)
brilliant post. Ive noticed that they pic Doz's worst pics and only spam those. Yet you and ND dont do the same with coleman's disgusting gyno and gut and splinter calves.
excellent post
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Jesus, this shot simply blows my mind every time I see it. It just cannot get better than this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256772;image)
best back ever regardless of what Team Flex 2007 says They said the same about Yates in 99 what changed? ronnie's back got bigger & softer ? lol
Ronnie & Samir knows who has the best back
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best back ever regardless of what Team Flex 2007 says They said the same about Yates in 99 what changed? ronnie's back got bigger & softer ? lol
Ronnie & Samir knows who has the best back
Yates' back was way better. people were feeling emotional and nostalgic about Coleman so they gave him the award.
i guarantee you after a few years realism will prevail over sentamentalism and Doz will be no1 again.
Best back of all time = Dorian
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Flex Magazine April 2003 25th Anniversary issue " Your favorite Mr Olympia "
1) Arnold Schwarzenegger
2) Lee Haney
3) Dorian Yates
4) Ronnie Coleman
lol like the best back poll I'm sure you nutt-huggers agree with this one too
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:o
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Because certain members here have posted the absolute worst pictures of Yates they can find and then run with that as if it means anything. The funny thing is, ND is the one who posted/scanned all those pics to begin with. And they have the nerve to say he ignores visual evidence ::) Another disparity lies in the fact that there have been several posters on this forum who attended many of Yates' contests, namely 93 and 95, and stated that it was over "the second Yates walked out." To me, that holds far more credence than Hulkster, who's never seen a IFBB contest let alone the Olympia. He also claimed that Flex won the 93 Olympia :-\. There are also some devastating candid photos from 1997 by "Jonnytosh" buried in the Truce thread that show Dorian dominating. To me, Dorian embodies everything that bodybuilding should be: unparalleled dedication, intelligence, and desire to be the best even if you come from a lesser background.
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_108.jpg)
(http://www.dorianyatesapproved.co.uk/images/dorian_yates.jpg)
(http://www.kennyherriot.co.uk/images/photosales5.jpg)
Great post !!
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Flex Magazine April 2003 25th Anniversary issue " Your favorite Mr Olympia "
1) Arnold Schwarzenegger
2) Lee Haney
3) Dorian Yates
4) Ronnie Coleman
lol like the best back poll I'm sure you nutt-huggers agree with this one too
lol. they are strangely silent on this ;D
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lol. they are strangely silent on this ;D
lol and they'll somehow barg their list is correct and every pro-Yates one is wrong
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lol and they'll somehow barg their list is correct and every pro-Yates one is wrong
whilst posting the worst pics of Doz and claiming any other one is photoshopped
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whilst posting the worst pics of Doz and claiming any other one is photoshopped
Exactly
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ttt
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I find it funny that Dorian lost to Lee Haney who had more size and better shape even though Dorian edged him out in conditioning. Ronnie has the same advantages over Dorian that Lee Haney did, yet ND is too dumb to realize this and still believes that Dorian would win.
Apples and oranges. Haney was the reigning Mr.Olympia and he defeated Dorian by the slimmest of margins. Now, Haney was 11 lbs heavier than Dorian and had a more complete physique than Ronnie, and yet he still won by a hair. Do you really think that Ronnie at the same weight as Dorian but with inferior conditioning and inferior muscle balance than what Haney had will beat Dorian? I'm sorry, but your example doesen't apply. And if you're talking about the 2003 Olympia, then it definitely doesen't apply. Haney had more mass than Dorian at the 1991 Olympia, yes, but his proportions were better and he still had excellent conditioning notwithstanding. Your attempt to prove by analogy that Ronnie 2003 would defeat Dorian because Haney did it in 1991 fails because the difference in conditioning between Dorian and Haney was small, and Haney edged Dorian in symmetry besides size, which would not be the case for Ronnie 2003 vs Dorian. Hanye defeated Dorian by having more size, superior symmetry and still very comparable conditioning, while Ronnie 2003 would have size, inferior symmetry and far inferior conditioning. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Apples and oranges. Haney was the reigning Mr.Olympia and he defeated Dorian by the slimmest of margins. Now, Haney was 11 lbs heavier than Dorian and had a more complete physique than Ronnie, and yet he still won by a hair. Do you really think that Ronnie at the same weight as Dorian but with inferior conditioning and inferior muscle balance than what Haney had will beat Dorian?
yes, Ronnie would still beat Dorian. You keep forgetting that Ronnie has better symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness. You cannot isolate one criteria such as conditioning and proclaim Dorian the victor on that basis alone. Lee Haney had worse conditioning and proportion (legs anyone?) than Dorian at the 91 Mr. Olympia, yet still won due to his superior muscular bulk and shape. Coincidentally, Ronnie also has the same advantages and disadvantages against Dorian. ;)
I'm sorry, but your example doesen't apply.
I'm sorry but it does. Refer to above.
And if you're talking about the 2003 Olympia, then it definitely doesen't apply. Haney had more mass than Dorian at the 1991 Olympia, yes, but his proportions were better and he still had excellent conditioning notwithstanding. Your attempt to prove by analogy that Ronnie 2003 would defeat Dorian because Haney did it in 1991 fails because the difference in conditioning between Dorian and Haney was small, and Haney edged Dorian in symmetry besides size, which would not be the case for Ronnie 2003 vs Dorian. Hanye defeated Dorian by having more size, superior symmetry and still very comparable conditioning, while Ronnie 2003 would have size, inferior symmetry and far inferior conditioning.
the difference in mass between Dorian and 03 Ronnie is greater than the difference in conditioning. So there goes any advantage Dorian's conditioning would give him. This leaves symmetry, shape, and fullness - all of which Ronnie edges Dorian out in. ;)
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yes, Ronnie would still beat Dorian. You keep forgetting that Ronnie has better symmetry, definition, shape, and fullness.
He doesen't have better symmetry, and fullness is not part of the criteria. As for shape, Dorian did defeat Wheeler who has better shpe than Ronnie, so your point is redundant.
You cannot isolate one criteria such as conditioning and proclaim Dorian the victor on that basis alone. Lee Haney had worse conditioning and proportion (legs anyone?)
Haney's legs were not that much a disproportion because his was much smaller than Coleman 2003, and his legs were in proportion with his arms and the rest of his body. Want to see disproportion, look no further than Coleman's quads at the 2003 Olympia, which dwarfed the rest of his physique, and his pathetic calves which were in disproportion to all his physique and massively disproportional in relation to his quads. ;)
than Dorian at the 91 Mr. Olympia, yet still won due to his superior muscular bulk and shape. Coincidentally, Ronnie also has the same advantages and disadvantages against Dorian. ;)
Coleman 2003 does not have the advantages in symmetry and aesthetics that Haney 1991 enjoyed over Dorian, and his conditioning would be a liability which was not the case with Haney, who's conditioning was only slightly inferior to Dorian's.
I'm sorry but it does. Refer to above.
No, bad analogy. Period.
the difference in mass between Dorian and 03 Ronnie is greater than the difference in conditioning. So there goes any advantage Dorian's conditioning would give him.
Wow, what a brilliant argument. Going by your stupid logic, then bodybuilders shouldn't even diet for contests, since the guy with the biggest muscles will always win. Why step onstage super-ripped at 260 lbs if you can step onstage at 300 lbs with a thick layer of subcutaneous fat and still win?
This leaves symmetry,
No way no how does Ronnie 2003 have better symmetry than Dorian. Quads that overpower the torso and especially the calves. Ginormous biceps that overpower the triceps and forearms. Enormous glutes more suited to a female of the species which completely overpowers his back view. A huge protruding gut that looks like that of a female in the eigh month of gestation. Dorian 1993, conversely, had almost flawless symmetry.
shape
Ronnie does have rounder muscle bellies than Dorian, but again it is immaterial as an advantage because it is mitigated by his enormous abdomen and gluteus maximus muscles, which take away from his shape in my opinion. Furthermore, Dorian had no problem defeating Wheeler who had evne rounder muscles than Ronnie.
and fullness
Fullness is not part of the criteria, and increased fullness by having more fat and water inside the muscle is not an advantage.
all of which Ronnie edges Dorian out in. ;)
The thing Ronnie edges Dorian out in is number of defeats he had as a pro. ;)
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He doesen't have better symmetry, and fullness is not part of the criteria. As for shape, Dorian did defeat Wheeler who has better shpe than Ronnie, so your point is redundant.
ha ha ha, wow. So many things wrong with this post. First, Andreas Munzer always had the best conditioning in the show yet he still lost. According to your logic, conditioning must not matter. See how that works? This is why I said you cannot isolate parts of the judging criteria to argue who would win. ;)
Second, Ronnie does have better symmetry than Dorian. Let's look at the definition.
Lee Hayward - http://www.leehayward.com/bodybuilding_terms.htm
"Symmetry - If you have good symmetry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints."
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image."
using the descriptions above, Ronnie has better symmetry than Dorian.
Third, fullness is part of the judging criteria.
"Muscular development is the balanced development between the musculature displaying density, separation and definition of the muscle groups.
* DENSITY is the depth and fullness of the muscle bellies.
* SEPARATION is the delineation between the muscle groups.
* DEFINITION is the absence of fat making the muscles clearly visible through the skin surface
You, as the judge, should be looking for muscular density that has been achieved through training, giving the muscles a full healthy look."
http://www.getbig.com/info/npc/npcrules.htm
Haney's legs were not that much a disproportion because his was much smaller than Coleman 2003, and his legs were in proportion with his arms and the rest of his body. Want to see disproportion, look no further than Coleman's quads at the 2003 Olympia, which dwarfed the rest of his physique, and his pathetic calves which were in disproportion to all his physique and massively disproportional in relation to his quads.
Ronnie's legs in 03 were in proportion with his equally massive arms (to borrow your argument) and both had relatively weak calves. So I don't see the difference between Lee Haney's and Ronnie's proportion issues.
Coleman 2003 does not have the advantages in symmetry and aesthetics that Haney 1991 enjoyed over Dorian, and his conditioning would be a liability which was not the case with Haney, who's conditioning was only slightly inferior to Dorian's.
wtf are you talking about? Ronnie's conditioning in 03 was better than Lee Haney's.
No, bad analogy. Period.
sorry, but I already showed why my analogy is valid. Lee Haney and Ronnie have better size and shape than Dorian but worse conditioning and proportion.
Wow, what a brilliant argument. Going by your stupid logic, then bodybuilders shouldn't even diet for contests, since the guy with the biggest muscles will always win. Why step onstage super-ripped at 260 lbs if you can step onstage at 300 lbs with a thick layer of subcutaneous fat and still win?
simple: definition. ;)
No way no how does Ronnie 2003 have better symmetry than Dorian. Quads that overpower the torso and especially the calves. Ginormous biceps that overpower the triceps and forearms. Enormous glutes more suited to a female of the species which completely overpowers his back view. A huge protruding gut that looks like that of a female in the eigh month of gestation. Dorian 1993, conversely, had almost flawless symmetry.
refer to definition of symmetry above.
Ronnie does have rounder muscle bellies than Dorian, but again it is immaterial as an advantage because it is mitigated by his enormous abdomen and gluteus maximus muscles, which take away from his shape in my opinion. Furthermore, Dorian had no problem defeating Wheeler who had evne rounder muscles than Ronnie.
Ronnie kept his midsection in control during pre-judging. So his gut wouldn't be a liability unless the judges started judging contests backstage or from the corners of the stage.
Fullness is not part of the criteria, and increased fullness by having more fat and water inside the muscle is not an advantage.
refer to above.
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First, Andreas Munzer always had the best conditioning in the show
False. To quote McGough, "nobody did conditioning better than Yates"
If Munzer had the best conditioning he would have been in the top 6, no? Idiot.
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False. To quote McGough, "nobody did conditioning better than Yates"
If Munzer had the best conditioning he would have been in the top 6, no? Idiot.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer22.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer1.jpg)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer22.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer8.jpg)
He died for our viewing pleasure.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer1.jpg)
Munzer owned.
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_105.jpg)
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Dorian is the man
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This is seriously one of the most incredible shots I've ever seen. Damn.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=218183.0;attach=256742;image)
did you not notice the pic of ronnie right above this one where ronnie looks 1000 times better ???
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did you not notice the pic of ronnie right above this one where ronnie looks 1000 times better ???
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of course not.. ::)
I laugh at how these nuthuggers claim everyone finds the 'worst pics' of yates we can find, when in actual fact, especially if you go to muscletime, its the ONLY shots of dorian you can find..from the front...there is a damn good reason for that too..
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they have a million excuses..
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What a lineup.. :D