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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ben 1 on July 03, 2008, 11:41:37 AM
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
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Death threats? NO ONE is ever going to be killed over a BB show.
After all this promoting at least put on a show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you contact the police wrt the death threats?
Yes this does look bad for you.
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why would someone threaten you over a bb show?
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good excuse to cancel... top points for originality!
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what B&A show? ???
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my friend, I understand you, I have received for years phone-mail threats
I understand that your children and your wife are terrorized
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
Did the death threats come from Flex Wheeler's ninjas?
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If it was a T&A show, then I would be pissed!
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Death threats? Over a show? Come on now... that seems pretty intense. The truth may be that three weeks before the show, the bills start pouring in, and with $80K in prize money, 3 new cars, costs for the venue and more, the amount you needed to put out could be close to $150K or more. With very little sponsorship, and other hidden costs, you could of lost over $120K or more.
So you decided to cut your losses. That is understandable. Deposits of the theater, and other expenses that was put it will be forfeited, as your time. Sorry to hear that.
Putting a show on without sponsors and a lot of pressure from rival organizations is very hard. You tried. It didnt work out.
Problem is, a lot of people and competitors made arrangements for flight tickets, hotels, time off work, and because of a cancellation so close to the show, many others will lose a lot of money and time too.
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Did you contact the police wrt the death threats?
Yes this does look bad for you.
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
100% bullshit.
You are a fucking liar Ben.
If you received "death threats" post a scan of the police report/s........I'm calling you on your BS.
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He mentioned the death threats before this also. You don't fuck around with another company's stranglehold on oiled men in thongs!
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the solution
(http://www.mysteryshopperguide.org/disguise.jpg)
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Death threats? Over a show? Come on now... that seems pretty intense. The truth may be that three weeks before the show, the bills start pouring in, and with $80K in prize money, 3 new cars, costs for the venue and more, the amount you needed to put out could be close to $150K or more. With very little sponsorship, and other hidden costs, you could of lost over $120K or more.
So you decided to cut your losses. That is understandable. Deposits of the theater, and other expenses that was put it will be forfeited, as your time. Sorry to hear that.
Putting a show on without sponsors and a lot of pressure from rival organizations is very hard. You tried. It didnt work out.
Problem is, a lot of people and competitors made arrangements for flight tickets, hotels, time off work, and because of a cancellation so close to the show, many others will lose a lot of money and time too.
Quoted for truth.
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where is muscle phone when you need it ::)
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
death threads ? lol
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
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please a little respect
I hope in better solution for the european athletes that work very hard for this contest
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Buy or sell?
Well, I'll take 'Not buying' for $1000, Alex.
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There are still some shady characters in Vegas.
If Ben took or planned to take a loan from someone to stage this production and later realized that the entry fees and gate would not allow him to repay, then maybe he's cutting his losses now.
But as for "Do this show and you will die"...I'm not buying it at all.
Up until now, Ben, you've seemed like a solid, reliable character. I was never fully sold on the tremendous prizes you were offering, but your honesty - prior to today - made you seem somewhat legit and I was willing to take a 'wait and see' attitude.
At this point, though...I don't know what to say.
So, since you've already got a deposit in on the venue for that day, I might be willing to take it off your hands. How much do you want?
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To all competitors - don't worry. The 2008 NPC USA will be on the same weekend, for don't cancel your flights, just enter the show. Of course, you need to compete first in a qualifying NPC contest. Fortunately, there is one in Los Angeles a week earlier.
(http://www.getbig.com/news/2008/06/20080608usaflyer.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/news/2008/06/20080608laflyer.jpg)
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please a little respect
I hope in better solution for the european athletes that work very hard for this contest
Here's an idea:
Since most of your flights are non-refundable, come over anyway and join the rest of us at the NPC USAs.
Our crew of gorgeous, fit women will be scoping the crowd for a few good men to invite out to Muscle Mansion, so maybe some of the Europeans will get to enjoy an extra special treat while in town.
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lol who gets so serious to death threaten someone over a stupid show
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To all competitors - don't worry. The 2008 NPC USA will be on the same weekend, for don't cancel your flights, just enter the show. Of course, you need to compete first in a qualifying NPC contest. Fortunately, there is one in Los Angeles a week earlier.
(http://www.getbig.com/news/2008/06/20080608usaflyer.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/news/2008/06/20080608laflyer.jpg)
european competitors can't change their airtiket one week before to los angeles
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
You should have called Crimestoppers
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
liar.
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european competitors can't change their airtiket one week before to los angeles
But they can still come to Las Vegas, right?
The fact that the show is cancelled will have no impact on their flights.
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If it was a T&A show, then I would be pissed!
lol
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Who are these B & A guys?
We deserve specifics on this!
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But they can still come to Las Vegas, right?
The fact that the show is cancelled will have no impact on their flights.
yes they can came to las vegas, but for what? Play in the casino?
airtiket are only 1200 euros, contest preparation are much more expensive and not refundable
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yes they can came to las vegas, but for what? Play in the casino?
airtiket are only 1200 euros, contest preparation are much more expensive and not refundable
hold you own show, same theater, same time, no prize money so then any NPC competitor can enter. call it the IFBA Universe or something.
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You should of used the $40,000 and invested in Grammar school
Brutal self-ownage.
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hold you own show, same theater, same time, no prize money so then any NPC competitor can enter. call it the IFBA Universe or something.
Exactly. Why throw up your hands and let the contest prep go down the tubes? You've already done the work...might as well showcase it and there are few places better than Vegas for that purpose.
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Brutal self-ownage.
epic catch ;)
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You should of used the $40,000 and invested in Grammar school
Epic irony.
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Epic irony.
The ironing is delicious
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not really..I never claimed my grammar was perfect.
It's not a matter of whether you or anyone else has perfect grammar.
Irregardless of the circumstances, it's self-ownage when you point out someone else's flawed grammar or spelling and have mistakes in your own writing (within the same post).
And yes, I know 'irregardless' is not a word - I was just messing with y'all. ;D
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Epic irony.
monster vocabulary
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It's not a matter of whether you or anyone else has perfect grammar.
Irregardless of the circumstances, it's self-ownage when you point out someone else's flawed grammar or spelling and have mistakes in your own writing (within the same post).
And yes, I know 'irregardless' is not a word - I was just messing with y'all. ;D
Have you seen the movie Puff Puff Pass? they make great use of that word. It's complex!
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100% bullshit.
You are a fucking liar Ben.
hahahaha that's rich coming from the guy who claims 20 inch natural guns and flames everyone else's physique but wont post a pic.
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Gayer than cancelling an "oiled men in thongs" show due to "death threats". ::)
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Ben1 - tell us some of your stories... :D
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Gayer than these "threats" coming from Coach's ex. ;D
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they found a bomb underneath ben1's car planted by mob button man bob chicherillo under the orders of don weider ;D ::)
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hahahaha that's rich coming from the guy who claims 20 inch natural guns and flames everyone else's physique but wont post a pic.
When I got the camera phone pic, they wee 20.5 on CHEST day...wasnt even hitting the guns!
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When I got the camera phone pic, they wee 20.5 on CHEST day...wasnt even hitting the guns!
hahahaha more bullshit claims. just post the pic.
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Low-level mob associates up to shenanigans again, I see...
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they found a bomb underneath ben1's car planted by mob button man bob chicherillo under the orders of don weider ;D ::)
Nah, I heard they hired some east coast guidos with a skinny fag as a boss and a G4P meltdown boy as a mascot to do the job.
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When I got the camera phone pic, they wee 20.5 on CHEST day...wasnt even hitting the guns!
I'm sure there will be a few getbiggers in Las Vegas in 3 weeks to settle this.
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But they can still come to Las Vegas, right?
The fact that the show is cancelled will have no impact on their flights.
they won't be able to change the date on their ticket. Cock-gobbler/thief/liar OP should have to refund all entry fees as well as cancellation costs for competitors flights.
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My only comment is WTF??
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To hell with the competitors. What about those brave and weary souls who've lost countless minutes reading and responding to all the other threads about this show?
Reparations! >:(
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This is GetBig - the question must be asked and answered.
Regardless of legitimacy, Goodrum will likely claim some sort of victory here. Is he justified in doing so...especially considering the great expense he went to in order to get all those posters torn down?
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Vince lives in S. Carolina, right? How did he have posters torn down?
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Nah, I heard they hired some east coast guidos with a skinny fag as a boss and a G4P meltdown boy as a mascot to do the job.
Dont forget the "pre med ex felon"........ ;D
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Vince lives in S. Carolina, right? How did he have posters torn down?
He hitchhiked and rode his bicycle cross-country to do it.
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Dont forget the "pre med ex felon"........ ;D
He's one of the guidos. The other two are the skinny bald guy who lived in Mexico and dated BCH, and the short crude oilbag. I believe all three are felons.
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He used black magic.
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He used black magic.
ROFL!
So much for Ron's "new rules". ;D
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
I guess its safe to say that the Jackie Robertson bloodline doesn't travel anywhere near your veins... :-\
Being a complete pussy is no way to go through life Sir...
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This is GetBig - the question must be asked and answered.
Regardless of legitimacy, Goodrum will likely claim some sort of victory here. Is he justified in doing so...especially considering the great expense he went to in order to get all those posters torn down?
I didn't have anything to do with the posters being torn down. I did however contact every sponsor of that the show had and Governer Schwartznegger's office to invalidate the letter.
So although I did have a lot to do with its downfall, The victory is for the NPC USA promoter who spent years building up the event. He didn't deserver to have some asswipe try to literally upstage his hard work over the years and ride his coattails
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I didn't have anything to do with the posters being torn down. I did however contact every sponsor of that the show had and Governer Schwartznegger's office to invalidate the letter.
So although I did have a lot to do with its downfall, The victory is for the NPC USA promoter who spent years building up the event. He didn't deserver to have some asswipe try to literally upstage his hard work over the years and ride his coattails
is that black magic?
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yes they can came to las vegas, but for what? Play in the casino?
airtiket are only 1200 euros, contest preparation are much more expensive and not refundable
That's right. So is Ben going to refund the airline tickets
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That's right. So is Ben going to refund the airline tickets
Of course he isn't. That's a stupid question and you know it.
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I'm sorry, but this must be said.
This has made it 764321793 times harder for the next person who tries to do a show outside the box. All the talk about the NPC has a stranglehold, well you just sealed that deal Ben. I'm not impressed :-\
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show did not make any fiduciary sense from the get-go.....likely no death threats...just paucity of $$$$$$$$
flex wheeler school of 'canard & prevarications'
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Gayer than incorrect usage when using uncommon words to try to make yourself seem educated. :D
Gayer than making common words hard to understand, as you are wont to do
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Gayer than you wouldn't sound like such a fag if you replaced the phrase "are wont to" with the simple word "frequently". ::)
Hey - mad props to *any* GetBigger who can use 'wont' properly in a sentence.
No one here believed that the amount of prize money being promised would ever be paid out. The question is, did any *competitors* believe it would be?
There are only three reasons for a show to be canceled this late in the game (and 'death threads' are not one of them):
1) Labor strike makes venue unavailable
2) lack of sponsorship dollars
3) lack of performer entry fees
Is it possible that #3 or maybe a combined #2-3 was what put this show on ice?
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Gayer than claiming to do a BIG show and then canceling it with 3 weeks to go........and leave everyone else holding the bag....... >:(
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1) Labor strike makes venue unavailable
don't thonk so, here the contract for the theater
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/cashman2.jpg)
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here is a pic of the death threat he recieived....
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here is a pic of the death threat he recieived....
don't joke
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don't joke
i didn't, DP shit his pants when he receivedbthis serious threat to his life.
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i didn't, DP shit his pants when he receivedbthis serious threat to his life.
when you have wife and childrens is different
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Fuck off, dont talk to Donkeykong like that you fuckwit
piglialo in culo faccia di merda
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when you have wife and childrens is different
Who says david paul doesn't have a wife and kids?? :o :o :o :o
seriously, death threats over a BB show?
i know lawyers that got death threats after their clients got out of jail after 10 years, ok, but a BB show?
piglialo in culo faccia di merda
vaffanculo, pizza man.
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NPC havenothin to do with this situation, but some mad or gangsters are involved
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NPC havenothin to do with this situation, but some mad or gangsters are involved
nobody said that the NPC is involved, i think you are getting nervous there, bro!
VERY suspicious, if you ask me... ::)
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100% bullshit.
You are a fucking liar Ben.
If you received "death threats" post a scan of the police report/s........I'm calling you on your BS.
I dont know about 100%. But very high percentage of Bullshit.
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You should have called Crimestoppers
Did you call crime stoppers when your anus was violated, or was it pure pleasure?
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when you have wife and childrens is different
Is Ben1 now in protective custody?
What's the status of the investigation, so far?
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Is Ben1 now in protective custody?
What's the status of the investigation, so far?
when you have finished she the she men we'll let you know
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when you have finished she the she men we'll let you know
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I'm sorry, but this must be said.
This has made it 764321793 times harder for the next person who tries to do a show outside the box. All the talk about the NPC has a stranglehold, well you just sealed that deal Ben. I'm not impressed :-\
No it doesn't. Ben would have gotten his show NPC sanctioned if he didn't try to hold it in the same location and day as the NPC USA.
For those who do try to built up a show, do it from your own sweat from the brow
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No it doesn't. Ben would have gotten his show NPC sanctioned if he didn't try to hold it in the same location and day as the NPC USA.
USAs are on Saturday.
Ben's show was on Sunday.
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USAs are on Saturday.
Ben's show was on Sunday.
That's the same weekend Rob. Its unethical to build a show off someone else's promotion which is what Ben was doing. He was obviously trying to use the USA audience and competitors to jumpstart his show.
The death threats he got are bullshit. His sponsors pulled out and he knows it.
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The death threats he got are bullshit. His sponsors pulled out and he knows it.
judges and contest promotors have received sooner or later threats, in Italy-USA etc
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The death threats he got are bullshit. His sponsors pulled out and he knows it.
Holy shit, I actually agree with Goodbum on something.
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judges and contest promotors have received sooner or later threats, in Italy-USA etc
Serioulsy, dude, "death threats"? ::) You may as well have said "my dog ate my homework". Nobody believes you.
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One of the worst lies told in the history of bodybuilding..
Up there with: "It was my brother-in-law posting", "Kai Greene added 30 pounds of muscle"
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One of the worst lies told in the history of bodybuilding..
Up there with: "It was my brother-in-law posting", "Kai Greene added 30 pounds of muscle"
"It wasn't me, it was my brother-in-law!" -Lee Thompson, aka "texasbubba"
Classic! ;D
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Gayer than you wouldn't sound like such a fag if you replaced the phrase "are wont to" with the simple word "frequently". ::)
you would help yourself by getting hooked on phonics....why would you not want to know as much as you could?
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judges and contest promotors have received sooner or later threats, in Italy-USA etc
Are you still here??? No one is interested in your obvious gimmick account Ben.
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Are you still here??? No one is interested in your obvious gimmick account Ben.
frocio del cazzo
I'm italian, this is me
(http://www.ibfasport.com/2005/tem/01.jpg)
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I didn't have anything to do with the posters being torn down. I did however contact every sponsor of that the show had and Governer Schwartznegger's office to invalidate the letter.
You must feel so proud, standing up for Corporate America.
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frocio del cazzo
I'm italian, this is me
(http://www.ibfasport.com/2005/tem/01.jpg)
Great, now I know what a scumbag looks like
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You must feel so proud, standing up for Corporate America.
How about standing up for the promoter of the NPC USA. He spent years building up his event and takes a huge risk every year to continue with hosting the event. Why should he have to deal with someone trying to pull the rug out from under him.
I would not have had a problem with his event if it wasn't on the same fucking weekend and same venue as the USA's.
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How about standing up for the promoter of the NPC USA. He spent years building up his event and takes a huge risk every year to continue with hosting the event. Why should he have to deal with someone trying to pull the rug out from under him.
Who cares? This is "oiled men in thongs" we're talking about, not national security. ::)
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How about standing up for the promoter of the NPC USA. He spent years building up his event and takes a huge risk every year to continue with hosting the event. Why should he have to deal with someone trying to pull the rug out from under him.
It's called free market capitalism.
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My only real problem with Ben1 is that he over-promised and under-delivered.
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It's called free market capitalism.
yes...that = corporate America...which is good, unless you are socialist
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It's called free market capitalism.
No, its called not showing any professional courtesy and trying to get a free ride off someone elses promotion...and Ben got thrown off the money train.
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No, its called not showing any professional courtesy and trying to get a free ride off someone elses promotion...and Ben got thrown off the money train.
STFU, you know nothing, everything you say is null and void.
Piss off, bint.
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How about standing up for the promoter of the NPC USA. He spent years building up his event and takes a huge risk every year to continue with hosting the event. Why should he have to deal with someone trying to pull the rug out from under him.
I would not have had a problem with his event if it wasn't on the same fucking weekend and same venue as the USA's.
Hey Vince, four words:
LAY OFF THE CRACK!
1) Jon Lindsey did not "build up the event [USA]".........that is like saying the National Enquirer "built up the Olympia".
The USA is the second largest amatuer show in the nation, and has been for 75 years. Jon Lindsey didn't build up jack shit Nice try.
2) Jon takes a "huge risk" promoting the USA???? Are you fucking high on GH or something?? Jon takes little to no risk at all on a Pro qualifier that is almost a century old. It is a piece of cake.
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Hey Vince, four words:
LAY OFF THE CRACK!
1) Jon Lindsey did not "build up the event [USA]".........that is like saying the National Enquirer "built up the Olympia".
The USA is the second largest amatuer show in the nation, and has been for 75 years. Jon Lindsey didn't build up jack shit Nice try.
2) Jon takes a "huge risk" promoting the USA???? Are you fucking high on GH or something?? Jon takes little to no risk at all on a Pro qualifier that is almost a century old. It is a piece of cake.
hahahhhaaaaa You thought he knew what he was talking about ;D
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Hey Vince, four words:
LAY OFF THE CRACK!
Crack is whack, Vince, crack is whack!
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Cock is whack, Vince, cock is whack!
;D ;D ;D
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Crack is whack, Vince, crack is whack!
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Crack is whack, Vince, crack is whack!
http://cameltoehos.com/index.html?cf=1
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Hey Vince, four words:
LAY OFF THE CRACK!
1) Jon Lindsey did not "build up the event [USA]".........that is like saying the National Enquirer "built up the Olympia".
The USA is the second largest amatuer show in the nation, and has been for 75 years. Jon Lindsey didn't build up jack shit Nice try.
2) Jon takes a "huge risk" promoting the USA???? Are you fucking high on GH or something?? Jon takes little to no risk at all on a Pro qualifier that is almost a century old. It is a piece of cake.
The USA event is much bigger than what it was prior to Jon Lindsey taking the reigns. It may be the second largest show however no show is successful without promoting the event heavily every single year and bringing in new sponsors as supplement companies come and go.
Jon does take a risk every year in hosting the event. Running a show isn't as easy as you think and nothing is garranteed. That's what people thought about the AAU Mr America, the North American Championships, and of course the Masters Mr Olympia. No promotion is garranteed
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The USA event is much bigger than what it was prior to Jon Lindsey taking the reigns. It may be the second largest show however no show is successful without promoting the event heavily every single year and bringing in new sponsors as supplement companies come and go.
Jon does take a risk every year in hosting the event. Running a show isn't as easy as you think and nothing is garranteed. That's what people thought about the AAU Mr America, the North American Championships, and of course the Masters Mr Olympia. No promotion is garranteed
STFU dumbass.
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The USA event is much bigger than what it was prior to Jon Lindsey taking the reigns. It may be the second largest show however no show is successful without promoting the event heavily every single year and bringing in new sponsors as supplement companies come and go.
Jon does take a risk every year in hosting the event. Running a show isn't as easy as you think and nothing is garranteed. That's what people thought about the AAU Mr America, the North American Championships, and of course the Masters Mr Olympia. No promotion is garranteed
You're an idiot, guaranteed.
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You're an idiot, guaranteed.
I'm correct, guaranteed. Good luck in you IFBB American Open
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I'm correct, guaranteed. Good luck in you IFBB American Open
tittie boy!!!!!!!!!!! go get you gyno fixed!
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I'm correct, guaranteed. Good luck in you IFBB American Open
what happened after you got flushed?
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Jesus christ, Ben what the fucck. Death threats? This guy used to have some credibility, now I've got to question all the old 'stories' of his.
And Vince, you're a piece of shitt, nobody has an ounce of respect for you and you have a pathetic body that is quite possibly one of the worst on getbig. Why you still post here is beyond me - everybody thinks you're a joke of a human - a joke of a businessman - a joke of a bodybuilder. The fact you still post just means you feel the same way about yourself - you know you're a joke, and have taken no steps to rectify your shitt-stained reputation, if you can even call it that. How'd it feel to get spit on by DA? Hahahaha this isn't even an owning, you are a paradox, a self-owning entity.
Hope this helps. ;)
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
B&A Production
Learn to spell.
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The girl Bob Chick is holding in that picture has a sweet looking butt!!!!
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Jesus christ, Ben what the fucck. Death threats? This guy used to have some credibility, now I've got to question all the old 'stories' of his.
And Vince, you're a piece of shitt, nobody has an ounce of respect for you and you have a pathetic body that is quite possibly one of the worst on getbig. Why you still post here is beyond me - everybody thinks you're a joke of a human - a joke of a businessman - a joke of a bodybuilder. The fact you still post just means you feel the same way about yourself - you know you're a joke, and have taken no steps to rectify your shitt-stained reputation, if you can even call it that. How'd it feel to get spit on by DA? Hahahaha this isn't even an owning, you are a paradox, a self-owning entity.
Hope this helps. ;)
My reputation is a lot better then Ben's. Ben's lying about the show cost people a lot of money in non-refundable airline tickets and hasn't paid back all the competitors for their entrance fes.
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My reputation is a lot better then Ben's.
No it is not. Ben failed at a business venture. You're a petty busybody who is trying to look important. There is no honor in calling all of Ben's sponsors to get them to withdraw. There is no honor in calling the office of the governor of another state to get them to rescind their letter. You remind me of an 8 year old girl tattling (with glee) on her 10 year old brother.
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and hasn't paid back all the competitors for their entrance fes.
he said 3 days ago that all refund checks will be sent in 10 days.
Until those 10 days have passed, is it fair to attack him for this?
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You remind me of an 8 year old girl tattling (with glee) on her 10 year old brother.
Except that the 8-year-old girl has more balls - and probably more muscle - than Vince.
Ben did fail, yes, but he's not going to be able to prove that he did *not* mislead the GetBig community...and the people who were allegedly coming in droves to do his show.
I was rooting for him to pull it off, but at the same time, I was always skeptical of the cash he kept talking about. If he'd never mentioned the exhorbitant prize money, this would be a total non-issue.
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Except that the 8-year-old girl has more balls - and probably more muscle - than Vince.
Ben did fail, yes, but he's not going to be able to prove that he did *not* mislead the GetBig community...and the people who were allegedly coming in droves to do his show.
I was rooting for him to pull it off, but at the same time, I was always skeptical of the cash he kept talking about. If he'd never mentioned the exhorbitant prize money, this would be a total non-issue.
Ben clearly lied about the prize money and proceeded to mislead competitors and then 3 weeks from the event he cancels it.
A lot of competitors now have non-refundable airline tickets and hotel accommodations which is problably around 2k apiece.
Ben needs to take responsibility for his actions for the scam he pulled.
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he said 3 days ago that all refund checks will be sent in 10 days.
Until those 10 days have passed, is it fair to attack him for this?
Sorry Rob but the competitors who paid entry fees are not getting their money back..... ;)
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Sorry Rob but the competitors who paid entry fees are not getting their money back..... ;)
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Ben clearly lied about the prize money and proceeded to mislead competitors and then 3 weeks from the event he cancels it.
A lot of competitors now have non-refundable airline tickets and hotel accommodations which is problably around 2k apiece.
Ben needs to take responsibility for his actions for the scam he pulled.
I never thought I'd say this, but for once, I agree with Vince.
Ben always struck me as a nice guy, but I never believed the big money talk.
Truthfully, I don't think that many people were planning to enter, but that's just my take.
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A lot of competitors now have non-refundable airline tickets and hotel accommodations which is problably around 2k apiece.
Ben needs to take responsibility for his actions for the scam he pulled.
Ben did his best to put on a show, but failed. You did your best to make sure he failed. You even wrote that your actions contributed to his failure. So should you also take responsibility for costing the competitors "around 2k apiece"?
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The USA event is much bigger than what it was prior to Jon Lindsey taking the reigns. It may be the second largest show however no show is successful without promoting the event heavily every single year and bringing in new sponsors as supplement companies come and go.
Jon does take a risk every year in hosting the event. Running a show isn't as easy as you think and nothing is garranteed. That's what people thought about the AAU Mr America, the North American Championships, and of course the Masters Mr Olympia. No promotion is garranteed
The USA is NOT much bigger now than it was 20 years ago, and to the extent it is BIGGER that is 100% due to the fact that they made it a NATIONAL QUALIFIER.
Jon faces little to no risk in putting on the USA. Even a trained circus chimp like you could do it, not as good, but you could do it. I could do it. Ron A. could do it. Shit, even Squadfather could do it (with Derek's help ;D ).
Before Jon started promoting shows in San Diego we had a certified MORON running them (and the NPC So. Dist.) and making money off them (CC Sanders). So it is not hard to make money off of NPC BBing shows-and an NPC NATIONAL QUALIFIER would almost be impossible to lose money on.
Jon, like Mike Glass before him, knows how to run a good show, and do a good job at it-but most people who tried could too-it's not rocket science.
As for the AAU Mr. America, that show was run by the NPC for YEARS, as for the Masters O, that show was not around for 75 years prior, not a good comparison, same goes for the NA.
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Jon, like Mike Glass before him, knows how to run a good show, and do a good job at it-but most people who tried could too-it's not rocket science.
Jon does a tremendous job, but I strongly disagree that 'anyone could do it'.
The crew are the backbone of any successful show, but it takes a lot of work and attention to detail to coordinate all the moving parts that go into even the smallest of shows.
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No it is not. Ben failed at a business venture. You're a petty busybody who is trying to look important. There is no honor in calling all of Ben's sponsors to get them to withdraw. There is no honor in calling the office of the governor of another state to get them to rescind their letter. You remind me of an 8 year old girl tattling (with glee) on her 10 year old brother.
did he actually do this?
correct, no honor...shameful
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it takes a lot of work and attention to detail to coordinate all the moving parts that go into even the smallest of shows.
Yeah, I'm sure getting the brain-dead men in thongs to walk onto the stage, stop at the proper place, pose, and get the fuck off the stage is quite the complex task indeed.
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The USA is NOT much bigger now than it was 20 years ago, and to the extent it is BIGGER that is 100% due to the fact that they made it a NATIONAL QUALIFIER.
Jon faces little to no risk in putting on the USA. Even a trained circus chimp like you could do it, not as good, but you could do it. I could do it. Ron A. could do it. Shit, even Squadfather could do it (with Derek's help ;D ).
Before Jon started promoting shows in San Diego we had a certified MORON running them (and the NPC So. Dist.) and making money off them (CC Sanders). So it is not hard to make money off of NPC BBing shows-and an NPC NATIONAL QUALIFIER would almost be impossible to lose money on.
Jon, like Mike Glass before him, knows how to run a good show, and do a good job at it-but most people who tried could too-it's not rocket science.
As for the AAU Mr. America, that show was run by the NPC for YEARS, as for the Masters O, that show was not around for 75 years prior, not a good comparison, same goes for the NA.
jv...i agree with much of what you say...but not here-running successful shows is hard....most fail and run boring, mildly lucrative or money-losing shows
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Yeah, I'm sure getting the brain-dead men in thongs to walk onto the stage, stop at the proper place, pose, and get the fuck off the stage is quite the complex task indeed.
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actually...it is....considering the day of the show thay are virtually 'brain dead', don't listen to or hear the head judge, etc
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OK, let me re-phrase this;
Most people, who are not brain dead (lol), have some degree of time management and multi tasking skills, could do an established NPC BBing show with not much of a problem.
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actually...it is....considering the day of the show thay are virtually 'brain dead', don't listen to or hear the head judge, etc
I'm pretty sure "brain dead" is their normal condition, show or not.
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I'm pretty sure "brain dead" is their normal condition, show or not.
could be...can never figure how some don't even know what number they are wearing
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could be...can never figure how some don't even know what number they are wearing
We should put together an NPC regional show and call it Mr. GetBig, and let Ron be a sponsor and have it in So Cal.
That would be cool because of the built in BBing base-get all the cool board members to fly out (get a good hotel for everyone on the cheap) and hang!
We could have Squad and Moose as Guest Posers, and I am sure someone would bring a camera and get a pic of me and then I could post it.
Who's in??? 8)
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haha
"NO Bull ● No Politics ● No Name Judging
Best Man, Best Woman and Best Figure Girl will win!!!"
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Yeah, I'm sure getting the brain-dead men in thongs to walk onto the stage, stop at the proper place, pose, and get the fuck off the stage is quite the complex task indeed.
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1) Venue rental
2) Venue staff management (you have to use their people for certain things)
3) Judges' travel and lodging
4) Communicating last-minute updates to your event staff
5) Event insurance
6) Hospitality for judges and athletes (food & drink)
7) Advertising - national and local
8) Media coordination
9) Ensuring venue staff are able to readily ID your VIPs
10) Making certain awards and any other premiums are delivered on time before the show
That's just a short list of items that have nothing to do with dealing with the competitors.
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1) Venue rental
2) Venue staff management (you have to use their people for certain things)
3) Judges' travel and lodging
4) Communicating last-minute updates to your event staff
5) Event insurance
6) Hospitality for judges and athletes (food & drink)
7) Advertising - national and local
8) Media coordination
9) Ensuring venue staff are able to readily ID your VIPs
10) Making certain awards and any other premiums are delivered on time before the show
That's just a short list of items that have nothing to do with dealing with the competitors.
That's why you hire people to work, and just supervise. ;)
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1) Venue rental
2) Venue staff management (you have to use their people for certain things)
3) Judges' travel and lodging
4) Communicating last-minute updates to your event staff
5) Event insurance
6) Hospitality for judges and athletes (food & drink)
7) Advertising - national and local
8) Media coordination
9) Ensuring venue staff are able to readily ID your VIPs
10) Making certain awards and any other premiums are delivered on time before the show
That's just a short list of items that have nothing to do with dealing with the competitors.
1) Venue rental - Local Middle School for all local San Diego shows put on by Jon Lindsey, few undred MAX
2) Venue staff management (you have to use their people for certain things)- No staff for local middle school- $0
3) Judges' travel and lodging- All local judges for local show, no cost for travel or lodeing, but must pay for the judgng$50-$75 per judge MAX.
4) Communicating last-minute updates to your event staff- no cost, not hard
5) Event insurance- Maybe for the USA, but not local shows, and even for the USA minor costs (how much danger is there in posing to music??)
6) Hospitality for judges and athletes (food & drink)- nothing for local show, for a national show like the USA, maybe $50/day per diem for food, $75 per night x2 nights for hotel.
7) Advertising - national and local--- local show send out posters to local gyms and clubs-costs= printing posters, national show like USA magazine ads for 1-2 months-cost could be comped for tickets.
8) Media coordination
9) Ensuring venue staff are able to readily ID your VIPs - no cost, not hard at all, in fact I doubt VIP's would have trouble finding their seats on their own.
10) Making certain awards and any other premiums are delivered on time before the show- simple, not hard at all.
That's just a short list of items that have nothing to do with dealing with the competitors. - True, but this is basically just busy work, and as long as you're organized you're cool.
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Sorry Rob but the competitors who paid entry fees are not getting their money back..... ;)
Vince, Why are your boyfriends eyes on the side of his head? Is he an inbreed or something?
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Sorry Rob but the competitors who paid entry fees are not getting their money back..... ;)
How do you know this?
It's been 3 days. he said checks would be mailed within 10 days.
Don't you think you should at least wait 12 or 13 days (that's 10 days plus mailing time) to see if the checks arrive?
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show did not make any fiduciary sense from the get-go.....likely no death threats...just paucity of $$$$$$$$
flex wheeler school of 'canard & prevarications'
Roy Hobbs: "Well the only thing I know about the dark is you can't see in it."
The Judge: "Hmph. A pure canard."
Roy Hobbs: "A what?"
The Judge: "A prevarication."
Roy Hobbs: "What's that?"
The Judge: "A lie."
(http://weblogs.cltv.com/entertainment/tv/metromix/the%20natural.jpg)
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Roy Hobbs: "Well the only thing I know about the dark is you can't see in it."
The Judge: "Hmph. A pure canard."
Roy Hobbs: "A what?"
The Judge: "A prevarication."
Roy Hobbs: "What's that?"
The Judge: "A lie."
(http://weblogs.cltv.com/entertainment/tv/metromix/the%20natural.jpg)
ha...guess I don't use words that are too big for folks here, afterall
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We should put together an NPC regional show and call it Mr. GetBig, and let Ron be a sponsor and have it in So Cal.
That would be cool because of the built in BBing base-get all the cool board members to fly out (get a good hotel for everyone on the cheap) and hang!
We could have Squad and Moose as Guest Posers, and I am sure someone would bring a camera and get a pic of me and then I could post it.
Who's in??? 8)
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1) Venue rental
anywhere from 2K to 10K
2) Venue staff management (you have to use their people for certain things)
correct...often union...gotta pay 'em, too
3) Judges' travel and lodging
to a limit
4) Communicating last-minute updates to your event staff
no biggie there
5) Event insurance
this is a must....cost a couple of hundred for million/3 million coverage...venues won't rent to you without it...nuts if you don't have it
6) Hospitality for judges and athletes (food & drink)
negligable
7) Advertising - national and local
could be substantial...if you do nice posters...can costs thousands if you do enough of em and mail em
8) Media coordination
should cost nothing but takes savvy to get mainstream media to cover your show-need angle
9) Ensuring venue staff are able to readily ID your VIPs
naturally
10) Making certain awards and any other premiums are delivered on time before the show
yes...can be a pain in the ass
That's just a short list of items that have nothing to do with dealing with the competitors.
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I wasn't even talking about the costs, so much as the hassle of having to deal with all those different elements.
And anyone who's ever dealt with union personnel in Vegas or NYC (specifically those 2 cities) knows exactly what I'm saying.
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Ben did his best to put on a show, but failed. You did your best to make sure he failed. You even wrote that your actions contributed to his failure. So should you also take responsibility for costing the competitors "around 2k apiece"?
No, because I told the competitors not to compete in this event from the very beginning.
Ben hosting his show in the same venue and same weekend as the USA is a scumbag move. Those who chose to participate in the event and not listen to me unfortunately have to learn the hard way from their wallets.
With the amount spent on training and airline tickets, you could have bought your own bike or put a down payment on it.
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No, because I told the competitors not to compete in this event from the very beginning.
Ben hosting his show in the same venue and same weekend as the USA is a scumbag move. Those who chose to participate in the event and not listen to me unfortunately have to learn the hard way from their wallets.
With the amount spent on training and airline tickets, you could have bought your own bike or put a down payment on it.
Vince, seriously, how many people do you think were registered to compete in this contest?
I bet it was less than 25, including crossovers.
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if you lost money - your hotel reservations, your plane ticket, etc. You have one man to blame.
This man is taking credit for calling sponsors and helping to scare them into backing out of the shows. He has repeatedly claimed in the past to be doing favors for IFBB and NPC.
Vince Goodrum is an enemy of bodybuilding, in my opinion. He is an enemy of bodybuilders trying to make a living. If you lost money on plane tickets or hotel room, it's because this guy called sponsors and spooked them. He bragged about it. He personally disrupted your financials. Many of you haven't heard about this from getbig board - but this message will be posted on every bodybuilder, supplement, and message board for the next 14 days.
Thanks for hurting our money, Vince Goodrum. I plan on informing everyone about you.
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炎上！！
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A lot of us Euro guys lost a lot of money on this show.
And you have this guy bragging about how he caused all of this.
Anyone have details on who this Vince Goodrum is?
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A lot of us Euro guys lost a lot of money on this show.
And you have this guy bragging about how he caused all of this.
Anyone have details on who this Vince Goodrum is?
He's a blowhard loser who didn't "cause" anything. Have you ever heard him speak? He's an uneducated bumpkin with a thick hillbilly accent who no one in their right mind would take seriously. If he did actually call any sponsors, they would have laughed at his pathetic ass and hung up on him inside of 15 seconds.
The man to blame is the show's promotor, who over-promised, under-delivered, and in the end cancelled on you to spare himself further financial loss.
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He's a blowhard loser who didn't "cause" anything. Have you ever heard him speak? He's an uneducated bumpkin with a thick hillbilly accent who no one in their right mind would take seriously. If he did actually call any sponsors, they would have laughed at his pathetic ass and hung up on him inside of 15 seconds.
The man to blame is the show's promotor, who over-promised, under-delivered, and in the end cancelled on you to spare himself further financial loss.
A+
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Vince, seriously, how many people do you think were registered to compete in this contest?
I bet it was less than 25, including crossovers.
Who knows, it could have been less. Even worse, I'm hearing now that some of the guest posers like Serge were going to be reimbursed when they showed up for the event which means that he could possibly be out about 2k as well although very doubtful.
Tre, if Ben hands over the lease to you then you could whip together a last minute event or something else. Who knows
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He's a blowhard loser who didn't "cause" anything. Have you ever heard him speak? He's an uneducated bumpkin with a thick hillbilly accent who no one in their right mind would take seriously. If he did actually call any sponsors, they would have laughed at his pathetic ass and hung up on him inside of 15 seconds.
The man to blame is the show's promotor, who over-promised, under-delivered, and in the end cancelled on you to spare himself further financial loss.
Your opinion has been noted. However there are 2 overseas teams who invested 100k+ to make this trip - in training, precontest, travel, accomodations. We have been in touch with promoter every step of way and he assures us someone was working to detail his efforts all along with sponsor. We also have this man who claim he was responsible for sponsor quitting.
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if you lost money - your hotel reservations, your plane ticket, etc. You have one man to blame.
This man is taking credit for calling sponsors and helping to scare them into backing out of the shows. He has repeatedly claimed in the past to be doing favors for IFBB and NPC.
Vince Goodrum is an enemy of bodybuilding, in my opinion. He is an enemy of bodybuilders trying to make a living. If you lost money on plane tickets or hotel room, it's because this guy called sponsors and spooked them. He bragged about it. He personally disrupted your financials. Many of you haven't heard about this from getbig board - but this message will be posted on every bodybuilder, supplement, and message board for the next 14 days.
Thanks for hurting our money, Vince Goodrum. I plan on informing everyone about you.
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real name is melvin - can you confirm please?
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vince,
why you do such a thing at expense of the athletes? many had never heard of you, your posts, or this place. all we hear is now you gloating of destroying our financials during these tough times.
you brag. you are not sorry. many men lost money becuz of your action.
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take it easy on him, him and his boyfriend are getting married soon.
We've been together for over a year so you bet. We'll be getting married in November in Thunder Bay, Canada.
Since the US doesn't recognize gay marriage, we both decided to say fuck it and go to a country that does. Our relationship is our own personal business and no-one has the right to interfere in it whether its Getbig or George Bush.
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take it east on him, him and his boyfriend are getting married soon.
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Vince didn't *do* shit. He posted on GetBig, so what. ::)
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Who knows, it could have been less. Even worse, I'm hearing now that some of the guest posers like Serge were going to be reimbursed when they showed up for the event which means that he could possibly be out about 2k as well although very doubtful.
Tre, if Ben hands over the lease to you then you could whip together a last minute event or something else. Who knows
It's (allegedly) paid for, so we might as well do something with it...a B&A memorial service, maybe?? lol
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It's (allegedly) paid for, so we might as well do something with it...a B&A memorial service, maybe?? lol
I'll help out with all the "busy work". Seriously. Pleanty of time still. Could be a lot of cross overs, especially the ones out of the top 5.
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I'll help out with all the "busy work". Seriously. Pleanty of time still. Could be a lot of cross overs, especially the ones out of the top 5.
He should also give us all the cash he'd raised to pay out in prizes. We can buy dinner for everyone who shows up.
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if you lost money - your hotel reservations, your plane ticket, etc. You have one man to blame.
This man is taking credit for calling sponsors and helping to scare them into backing out of the shows. He has repeatedly claimed in the past to be doing favors for IFBB and NPC.
Vince Goodrum is an enemy of bodybuilding, in my opinion. He is an enemy of bodybuilders trying to make a living. If you lost money on plane tickets or hotel room, it's because this guy called sponsors and spooked them. He bragged about it. He personally disrupted your financials. Many of you haven't heard about this from getbig board - but this message will be posted on every bodybuilder, supplement, and message board for the next 14 days.
Thanks for hurting our money, Vince Goodrum. I plan on informing everyone about you.
You ignorant boob, I'm not responsible for the complete failure of the B&A show. The main thing I did was to let NPC athletes know that it was never sanctioned by the NPC and that competing for prize money may have invalidated your status as an NPC amateur athlete.
There were too many claims going around that an NPC athlete would not have gotten in any trouble which was highly incorrect. The NPC and IFBB had already repeated the same warning to all athletes.
I called up the sponsors to see if they were actually aware of the same thing as well as the office of Gov Schwartznegger and sure enough they didn't know.
What really did in Ben's show was 3 things.
1. Holding it on the same weekend and area as the NPC USA which pissed off everyone and then advertising the event on Getbig where Ron Avidan is a personal friend of Jon Lindsay
2. Lying about the status of the show knowing that he was having issues with getting everything secured.
3. Messing with me via PM which caused me to brutally shoot down his plane into the sea.
Your team didn't even have to listen to me, you could have used some common sense and looked all the facts about the event beforehand and you would have saved 100K. It wasn't just me who advised people not to do this show.
Even Ben's not saying I was the cause of the cancellation. He's already stated that he cancelled his show due to receiving death threats and I never threatened to kill him.
If you want to blame someone, then talk to Ben.
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Your opinion has been noted. However there are 2 overseas teams who invested 100k+ to make this trip - in training, precontest, travel, accomodations. We have been in touch with promoter every step of way and he assures us someone was working to detail his efforts all along with sponsor. We also have this man who claim he was responsible for sponsor quitting.
N I G G A Please....... ::)
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Nobody messes with Melvin Goodrum! The question everyone wants to know is what do you carry in your pocket that Special Ed ought to fear if you catch up with him?
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Nobody messes with Melvin Goodrum! The question everyone wants to know is what do you carry in your pocket that Special Ed ought to fear if you catch up with him?
Knowing Vinces "type", it's probably a ski mask, a robbery note and his didlo he uses as a fake pistol.
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I wasn't even talking about the costs, so much as the hassle of having to deal with all those different elements.
And anyone who's ever dealt with union personnel in Vegas or NYC (specifically those 2 cities) knows exactly what I'm saying.
agreed...it can be such a colossal hassle that may make the effort not even worthwhile
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if you lost money - your hotel reservations, your plane ticket, etc. You have one man to blame.
This man is taking credit for calling sponsors and helping to scare them into backing out of the shows. He has repeatedly claimed in the past to be doing favors for IFBB and NPC.
Vince Goodrum is an enemy of bodybuilding, in my opinion. He is an enemy of bodybuilders trying to make a living. If you lost money on plane tickets or hotel room, it's because this guy called sponsors and spooked them. He bragged about it. He personally disrupted your financials. Many of you haven't heard about this from getbig board - but this message will be posted on every bodybuilder, supplement, and message board for the next 14 days.
Thanks for hurting our money, Vince Goodrum. I plan on informing everyone about you.
It's not as much as he hurts bodybuilding every time he takes his shirt off.
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why do we no longer hear at all from "Ben1"?
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why do we no longer hear at all from "Ben1"?
Maybe those death threats have come true :o
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Maybe those death threats have come true :o
man...i have run a few shows and took a bath...but could not just close up and deny all of what they worked for...
maybe ben1 never competed so he does not know what its like?
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why do we no longer hear at all from "Ben1"?
PIP, "Ben1"
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man...i have run a few shows and took a bath...but could not just close up and deny all of what they worked for...
maybe ben1 never competed so he does not know what its like?
where is ben1 based out of? America? Can he be located and or contacted? Not from website, as I can see....
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Those of us who have been around for decades wondered if Ben could pull off this contest. The odds were slim that he would be successful. Early on it was clear that the IFBB boys were not going to sit around and let someone else snare their competitors. Ah, how noble. These boys have been in the trenches for years and years battling rival organizations so they know how to deal with them.
Along comes the maverick known as Vince G CSN MFT to foil Ben's show! How ironic. How could that hapless stooge sabotage anyone or anything at all? This is why Melvin is an internet legend. Mess with him and you will be sorry. His power is vast and his opinion important! Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. Pay attention to Goodrum because he knows his shit!
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Those of us who have been around for decades wondered if Ben could pull off this contest. The odds were slim that he would be successful. Early on it was clear that the IFBB boys were not going to sit around and let someone else snare their competitors. Ah, how noble. These boys have been in the trenches for years and years battling rival organizations so they know how to deal with them.
Along comes the maverick known as Vince G CSN MFT to foil Ben's show! How ironic. How could that hapless stooge sabotage anyone or anything at all? This is why Melvin is an internet legend. Mess with him and you will be sorry. His power is vast and his opinion important! Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. Pay attention to Goodrum because he knows his shit!
it would be interesting to see what an entry form/contract looked like for this show....
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N I G G A Please....... ::)
racist post reported!
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Sounds like you guys are gonna have to hunt Vince down and kill him. Good luck.
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why do we no longer hear at all from "Ben1"?
Yeah...
Hate to defend Vince here, but all he did was post his opinions on a forum, something we all do.
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Yeah...
Hate to defend Vince here, but all he did was post his opinions on a forum, something we all do.
maybe it has to be considered if ben1 'took the money and ran...'
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maybe it has to be considered if ben1 'took the money and ran...'
if he did, it was only a courageuos act of protecting all athletes from the death threats.
he took all the money and thus draw the attention solely on himself. A true hero.
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Since when was the prize money in the events large enough to offset these "major" costs anyway. 1 person wins and the rest walk away with peanuts. So with that said, would it have made a real financial difference if the show had been put on?
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I guess its safe to say that the Jackie Robertson bloodline doesn't travel anywhere near your veins... :-\
Being a complete pussy is no way to go through life Sir...
umm, who is Jackie Robertson?
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why do we no longer hear at all from "Ben1"?
B/c Vince and Ben1 are the same person, just Vince up to new tricks as a goof.
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Death threats? NO ONE is ever going to be killed over a BB show.
After all this promoting at least put on a show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They got this guy on a temp release to do the hit :-X
I am a tad disturbed to learn this , if it is true, death threats over a BB meet is pretty sick.
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Since when was the prize money in the events large enough to offset these "major" costs anyway. 1 person wins and the rest walk away with peanuts. So with that said, would it have made a real financial difference if the show had been put on?
True, true...some are focused on the lost investment of individuals who planned to compete, but some of us are talking about the $40,000 cash that was promised to the group as a whole.
$40K is still a lot of cash to some of us, Mike. ;)
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Nobody messes with Melvin Goodrum! The question everyone wants to know is what do you carry in your pocket that Special Ed ought to fear if you catch up with him?
Vince carries a very powerful weapon, his gay penis. ::)
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man...i have run a few shows and took a bath...but could not just close up and deny all of what they worked for...
maybe ben1 never competed so he does not know what its like?
Been is a high level competitor (mostly 80's), out of Europe, very impressive........
Those of us who have been around for decades wondered if Ben could pull off this contest. The odds were slim that he would be successful. Early on it was clear that the IFBB boys were not going to sit around and let someone else snare their competitors. Ah, how noble. These boys have been in the trenches for years and years battling rival organizations so they know how to deal with them.
Along comes the maverick known as Vince G CSN MFT to foil Ben's show! How ironic. How could that hapless stooge sabotage anyone or anything at all? This is why Melvin is an internet legend. Mess with him and you will be sorry. His power is vast and his opinion important! Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. Pay attention to Goodrum because he knows his shit!
Yes, Vince taught Derek anthony a HUGE lesson when DA laid a loogie on his face....Oh wait, Vince didn't do shit....my bad.
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http://musclemayhem.com/forums/showpost.php?p=965412&postcount=36
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From Ben...
There is a lot of stuff we can not make public at this time,just regarding Mr.John Linday not carrying about the show,here is his official email send to one of our sponsors, (I left the name out)
I saw a non-NPC poster in Gold's today for a show in Las Vegas the day after the USA's in July which listed you and your company as a sponsor. So I guess you're finished being a judge with the NPC. Thank you for your support in the past. You willl not be judging any more contests in California with the NPC. We're done!
Jon Lindsay
Southern California Chairman
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http://musclemayhem.com/forums/showpost.php?p=965412&postcount=36
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funny thing is that two weeks ago I was talking to someone at a bar who is a backstage handler at all of Lindsey's contests. He told me he would be working the USA on Saturday, then working the B&A on Sunday. He didn't think Jon would have any problem with that.
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Melvin Goodrum cost a lot of us a lot of money.
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Melvin Goodrum cost a lot of us a lot of money.
What are you doing about it?
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Hell hath no fury like a
woman Vince G scorned! The dude phones sponsors, government offices, everywhere he can to warn people and inform them. Stool pigeon and resident dork all in one. I guess he is paying Getbig back for all the abuse he has taken over the years. The guy has pride but has been tarred and feathered here.
Not by me, of course, because I am on Team Goodrum!
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umm, who is Jackie Robertson?
Thanks for clearing that up...Jackie Robinson was the first white dude to ever play in the major leagues...Took a lot of shit and even had death threats from the racist black community...
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funny thing is that two weeks ago I was talking to someone at a bar who is a backstage handler at all of Lindsey's contests. He told me he would be working the USA on Saturday, then working the B&A on Sunday. He didn't think Jon would have any problem with that.
I don't think Lindsay would give a hoot. He makes $$ either way
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No one from Jon's team was working the B and A show...
The bottom line is...there wasn't enough athletes entered in the show to justify the expense and promises made....end of story.
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No one from Jon's team was working the B and A show...
How can you possibly know this?
How do you define 'team'? Anyone working the Sat event wasn't planning to work the Sun event?
Come on bob, you cannot possibly know this, unless you define his team narrowly and have spoken to each of them.
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How can you possibly know this?
How do you define 'team'? Anyone working the Sat event wasn't planning to work the Sun event?
Come on bob, you cannot possibly know this, unless you define his team narrowly and have spoken to each of them.
I happen to know everyone on the Lindsay production team personally, to my knowledge...no one was working any other shows, including the B and A show.
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I happen to know everyone on the Lindsay production team personally, to my knowledge...no one was working any other shows, including the B and A show.
Straight from the horses mouth my friends. End of thread, end of story.
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I happen to know everyone on the Lindsay production team personally,
he was 40ish, overweight, and at a gay bar. that should narrow it down a bit ::)
and I said a backstage handler, a gopher, one of the guys who probably make $10/hour. not someone who works in Lindsay's office.
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he was 40ish, overweight, and at a gay bar. that should narrow it down a bit ::)
Doesn't sound familiar...
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Thanks for clearing that up...Jackie Robinson was the first white dude to ever play in the major leagues...Took a lot of shit and even had death threats from the racist black community...
Actually he was "black".
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I HAVE JUST DEND THIS LETTER TO BEN:
Dear Ben,
I inform you that our contest in Italy was a big success,
everithing was perfect
find results and photos on the ibfa forum
I have read once again your cancellation letter
you say that You have lost 40.000 dollars with the contest
the contract of the theater is 2500 dollars ( I have read
the scan)
your poster cost no more than 600 - 800 dollars
your website cost no more than 300 - 400 dollars
are in total 3500 dollars
how you have spent the remainders 36.500 dolars
can you tell me my friend?
wait your answere
TEMUGIN FILIZOLA
SALERNO
ITALY
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I HAVE JUST DEND THIS LETTER TO BEN:
Dear Ben,
I inform you that our contest in Italy was a big success,
everithing was perfect
find results and photos on the ibfa forum
I have read once again your cancellation letter
you say that You have lost 40.000 dollars with the contest
the contract of the theater is 2500 dollars ( I have read
the scan)
your poster cost no more than 600 - 800 dollars
your website cost no more than 300 - 400 dollars
are in total 3500 dollars
how you have spent the remainders 36.500 dolars
can you tell me my friend?
wait your answere
TEMUGIN FILIZOLA
SALERNO
ITALY
Can't find Waldo neither????? ;D
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I suppose it could happen, but no one is going to bust their butts working Fri-Sat at the USAs and then turn around and do it on Sunday as well when they could be relaxing and having fun in Vegas.
IBFAsport has been one of Ben's biggest supporters all along. For him to begin questioning...
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my friend Ben1, will never get back the money spent for the prizes of his contest: motorcycle and car
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my friend Ben1, will never get back the money spent for the prizes of his contest: motorcycle and car
Is your group still coming to Vegas that weekend?
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the athletes are very demoralized and won't come to las vegas to make the vacations
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my friend Ben1, will never get back the money spent for the prizes of his contest: motorcycle and car
poor guy will just have to keep them for himself. :(
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Dear Athletes and Officials,
After receiving several death threads within the last month and other series of negative things that have
what happened to us,we decided after carefully deliberating,to cancel the show. We do not take this lightly because we care about the Athletes but our personal safety is more important. Not only our personal safety, but as well of the participants. We consultat several people about our problem and finaly came to this dicision. I know I will loose our face over this and we put already $40000 in this show, which we will never get back but we still have our lives. No Bodybuilding show is worth to put your family or Athletes in danger.
All entry fees and ticket fees will be returned within 10 days.
Sincerely
Epic grade 7 spelling level.
B&A Production
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I am too a little pissed off at this. I really thought Ben would do this. He took a lot shit from everyone and he hung in there. To say someone threatened his life or family's with no proof or even a police report I have to say he is lying. He has told me he had competitors in fact well over 100. Everyone of them got paid back. I think maybe his prizes didn't materialize. I think he got a lot of them donated in return for the publicity and whatever and he just didn't perform enough to satisfy the companies to donate the vehicles. And to pay for them would be just to costly. It appeared most everything else was paid for. I am also sure his sponsors that were also connected with the NPC or IFBB DID back out because they were threatened. That is probably 100% true since we know that happens. The problem is why didn't he get their sponsorship money paid. If they had already put in the cash then who cares if they back out. You don't have to pay them back for backing out. But it sounds like he hadn't got paid by them yet which is dumb. Either way I am pissed that he didn't have the balls to hang in there. To cave-in from idle threats is just stupid. I would hate to have to live this way where if anyone threatens me I have to quit what I spent so much time on. Oh well, some guys have it and some guys don't. But now he will never be able to do anything like this again cause now NO ONE will enter.
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But now he will never be able to do anything like this again cause now NO ONE will enter.
Exactly, he has also damaged it for people who may try in the future. With the prior bust of PDI and this small additional flop, the NPC/IFBB is cementing themself as #1, the exact principle both parties claimed they wanted to work 'againest' ::)
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Hindsight ...... I do feel rather stupid believing that this event was ever going to be held. Looking back through all this and recalling all those promises that Ben made regarding cash awards, autos, etc., it's damn evident that he was going to have to take a hefty amount of $$$$ out of his own pocket to cover those expenses no matter what the sponsors offered to contribute.
A few of us know what it costs to promote a bodybuilding event ($25,000 minimum based on my personal experience) and how much that basic cost would be increased when you threw in expensive automobiles and/or cash awards.
It's pretty obvious that the promoter would not end up with a profit and would have to spend a lot of his own cash to meet all his commitments.
The one thing I noticed that sort of convinced me that sufficient funds might be available to meet these expenses was the high entry fee. Set those fees high enough and you actually could end up offering the winner a plastic cup filled with a million dollars.
But high entry fees means - fewer contestants which just about kills that idea at the start.
The IFBB itself could not have devised a better plan to avoid competition in the future. In this case all they had to do was sit back and let Ben do all that work on their behalf by his lonesome.
The IFBB should present Ben with an appreciation award during the Olympia finals. And Vince should gladly accept it on his behalf.
New Point: Here's a thought that could possibly work ......... I offer it to Chick and the IFBB for consideration. Every five to ten years the IFBB should promote a world wide contest open to one and all - amatuer or pro (no need to be a part of any sanctioning body at the initial couple of events and both pros and amateurs can compete). Let the world know what type of physique is considered the IDEAL and set judging standards to award the one ideal individual who meets that ideal criteria. And give the winner a Million Dollars!
A million dollars is a lot of moooo-la so the entry fees would have to be rather high and if the million dollars is impossible to round up from the contestants, the void should be filled by the Suppliment companies and possibly by the Weiders themselves who can afford it easily). And maybe even donations from the Get Big members.
Get guys like Chick and Keith to get the finances rolling (Keith is phenominal at doing that and Bob would be the counter-balance with his numerous contacts and gregarious disposition). These two would work great together if their sole mission was to secure the necessary prize money commitments.
All such funds would be placed into an escrow account with detailed instructions regarding how and when it would be withdrawn and specifically slated for the $1,000,000 cash award in the form of a Cashier's Check immediately upon the announcement of the winner or refund to the donors if the show did not materialize.
Now, in order to keep Keith and Bob motivated, I would suggest that they both share a 12 to 15% commission of all funds deposited into that Escrow account with strict instructions regarding how and when that commission is to be paid.
Just a start of an idea here which could actually happen if there is ample interest.
Worth considering, Bob, or NOT!
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Interesting that the PDI was able to lure a few IFBB pros... the B&A was able to lure teams of Euro guys.
If Wayne hadn't gotten cancer, year 2 of the PDI would have delivered 6 shows (venues were booked, promoters in Euro had their ball rolling)
One of these days, someone is going to get the forumla right.
Interesting. WBF fails in 1992 and you have nothing for 14 years. Suddenly you have 5 organizations (asia, titus, dillet, PDI, B&A) popping up in 2 years. You can deny it all day, but the IFBB must be a little concerned. Someone is going to get it right one of these days. All it takes is for a motivated Tre, 1Fast400, or someone like that to just say "why the hell not" and boom... things change forever.
Very interesting to watch.
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Hindsight ...... I do feel rather stupid believing that this event was ever going to be held. Looking back through all this and recalling all those promises that Ben made regarding cash awards, autos, etc., it's damn evident that he was going to have to take a hefty amount of $$$$ out of his own pocket to cover those expenses no matter what the sponsors offered to contribute.
A few of us know what it costs to promote a bodybuilding event ($25,000 minimum based on my personal experience) and how much that basic cost would be increased when you threw in expensive automobiles and/or cash awards.
It's pretty obvious that the promoter would not end up with a profit and would have to spend a lot of his own cash to meet all his commitments.
The one thing I noticed that sort of convinced me that sufficient funds might be available to meet these expenses was the high entry fee. Set those fees high enough and you actually could end up offering the winner a plastic cup filled with a million dollars.
But high entry fees means - fewer contestants which just about kills that idea at the start.
The IFBB itself could not have devised a better plan to avoid competition in the future. In this case all they had to do was sit back and let Ben do all that work on their behalf by his lonesome.
The IFBB should present Ben with an appreciation award during the Olympia finals. And Vince should gladly accept it on his behalf.
New Point: Here's a thought that could possibly work ......... I offer it to Chick and the IFBB for consideration. Every five to ten years the IFBB should promote a world wide contest open to one and all - amatuer or pro (no need to be a part of any sanctioning body at the initial couple of events and both pros and amateurs can compete). Let the world know what type of physique is considered the IDEAL set judging standards to award the one individual who meets that criteria. And give the winner a Million Dollars!
A million dollars is a lot of moola so the entry fees would have to be rather high and if the million dollars is impossible to round up from the contestants, the void should be filled by the Suppliment companies and possibly by the Weiders themselves who can afford it easily). And maybe even donations from the Get Big members.
Get guys like Chick and Keith to get the finances rolling (Keith is phenominal at doing that and Bob would be the counter-balance with numerous contacts). These two would work great together if their sole mission was to secure the necessary prize money commitments. All funds would be placed into an escrow account with detailed instructions regarding how and when it would be withdrawn and specifically slated for the $1,000,000 cash award in the form of a Cashier's Check immediately upon the announcement of the winner or refund to the donors if the show did not materialize.
Now, in order to keep Keith and Bob motivated, I would suggest that they both share a 10% commission of all funds deposited into that Escrow account with strict instructions how and when that commission will be paid.
Just a start of an idea here which could actually happen if there is ample interest.
I've got a better idea, Bill.....
How about 1 million people just give me and Keith $1 each, and we'll split it?
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I've got a better idea, Bill.....
How about 1 million people just give me and Keith $1 each, and we'll split it?
Send me that contract I will sign it immediately.
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Interesting that the PDI was able to lure a few IFBB pros... the B&A was able to lure teams of Euro guys.
If Wayne hadn't gotten cancer, year 2 of the PDI would have delivered 6 shows (venues were booked, promoters in Euro had their ball rolling)
One of these days, someone is going to get the forumla right.
Interesting. WBF fails in 1992 and you have nothing for 14 years. Suddenly you have 5 organizations (asia, titus, dillet, PDI, B&A) popping up in 2 years. You can deny it all day, but the IFBB must be a little concerned. Someone is going to get it right one of these days. All it takes is for a motivated Tre, 1Fast400, or someone like that to just say "why the hell not" and boom... things change forever.
Very interesting to watch.
I'm a little surprised your THAT gullible, Rob...Wayne whether getting a return bout of cancer or not, tanked out...could have handed off the PDI to anyone who wanted it (Rhino, perhaps?)....he had no sponsors, no money, no mass exodus of world class bbers, and little to no interest.....game over. And what makes you think Ben lured anyone but a handful of europeans to compete? His word? There were no "teams" of anyone...just a bunch of hot air and promises, or a scam... take your pick.
There is no "formula" to get right...the bottom line is, there aren't enough "best bodybuilders" in the world to substanciate another federation...period. There isn't enough interest in the IFBB, which IS the biggest and best BB federation we have...by the fan base, etc...
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I'm a little surprised your THAT gullible, Rob...Wayne whether getting a return bout of cancer or not, tanked out...could have handed off the PDI to anyone who wanted it (Rhino, perhaps?)....he had no sponsors, no money, no mass exodus of world class bbers, and little to no interest.....game over. And what makes you think Ben lured anyone but a handful of europeans to compete? His word? There were no "teams" of anyone...just a bunch of hot air and promises, or a scam... take your pick.
There is no "formula" to get right...the bottom line is, there aren't enough "best bodybuilders" in the world to substanciate another federation...period. There isn't enough interest in the IFBB, which IS the biggest and best BB federation we have...by the fan base, etc...
You can call me gullible, that's fine.
Wayne got 1500 butts in chairs in NYC, with Lee Priest on a stage. He got ESPN the Mag to cover it.
You can trivialize it all you'd like by throwing Rhino's name at it. But there HAVE been 5 attempts in 2 years. This is notable.
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240.... Do you really think someone else is going to try again?
Five attempts, five failures!
That's more notable.
No one in his right mind would step in against the IFBB now.
Even in the movie business - Only three failures and you're on your way out. You're gone before the 5th. Gone and forgotten.
Not that the IFBB is all-powerful, but rather (and as Chick states) there's just not enough world-wide interest in competitive bodybuilding to have another successful organization.
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But there HAVE been 5 attempts in 2 years. This is notable.
there was a big shakeup in bodybuilding when Hoffman left the scene. There is a bit of a shakeup going on now that the Weiders have turned over most of the control to others. There will probably be a bigger shakeup when Manion leaves the scene.
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240.... Do you really think someone else is going to try again?
Five attempts, five failures!
That's more notable.
No one in his right mind would step in against the IFBB now.
Even in the movie business - Only three failures and you're on your way out. You're gone before the 5th. Gone and forgotten.
Not that the IFBB is all-powerful, but rather (and as Chick states) there's just not enough world-wide interest in competitive bodybuilding to have another successful organization.
You're welcome to your opinion, and you may be absolutely right.
My point is that there are no new organizations for 14 years...
then suddenly we have five attempts in two years.
It's notable. IMO, the fact that for 14 years, no one had the guts or position to start a rival organization... then suddenly we have FIVE new orgas pop up in the last 24 months... Something has to be the catalyst for that. As years pass, and people retire, the BIG organization will be run more and more as a company, not a family-run business. And since the barriers to entry for a BBing federation are so low (under $50k delivers a show, and athletes are plentiful), will it be long until another entry comes along?
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Hindsight ...... I do feel rather stupid believing that this event was ever going to be held. Looking back through all this and recalling all those promises that Ben made regarding cash awards, autos, etc., it's damn evident that he was going to have to take a hefty amount of $$$$ out of his own pocket to cover those expenses no matter what the sponsors offered to contribute.
A few of us know what it costs to promote a bodybuilding event ($25,000 minimum based on my personal experience) and how much that basic cost would be increased when you threw in expensive automobiles and/or cash awards.
It's pretty obvious that the promoter would not end up with a profit and would have to spend a lot of his own cash to meet all his commitments.
The one thing I noticed that sort of convinced me that sufficient funds might be available to meet these expenses was the high entry fee. Set those fees high enough and you actually could end up offering the winner a plastic cup filled with a million dollars.
But high entry fees means - fewer contestants which just about kills that idea at the start.
The IFBB itself could not have devised a better plan to avoid competition in the future. In this case all they had to do was sit back and let Ben do all that work on their behalf by his lonesome.
The IFBB should present Ben with an appreciation award during the Olympia finals. And Vince should gladly accept it on his behalf.
New Point: Here's a thought that could possibly work ......... I offer it to Chick and the IFBB for consideration. Every five to ten years the IFBB should promote a world wide contest open to one and all - amatuer or pro (no need to be a part of any sanctioning body at the initial couple of events and both pros and amateurs can compete). Let the world know what type of physique is considered the IDEAL and set judging standards to award the one ideal individual who meets that ideal criteria. And give the winner a Million Dollars!
A million dollars is a lot of moooo-la so the entry fees would have to be rather high and if the million dollars is impossible to round up from the contestants, the void should be filled by the Suppliment companies and possibly by the Weiders themselves who can afford it easily). And maybe even donations from the Get Big members.
Get guys like Chick and Keith to get the finances rolling (Keith is phenominal at doing that and Bob would be the counter-balance with his numerous contacts and gregarious disposition). These two would work great together if their sole mission was to secure the necessary prize money commitments.
All such funds would be placed into an escrow account with detailed instructions regarding how and when it would be withdrawn and specifically slated for the $1,000,000 cash award in the form of a Cashier's Check immediately upon the announcement of the winner or refund to the donors if the show did not materialize.
Now, in order to keep Keith and Bob motivated, I would suggest that they both share a 12 to 15% commission of all funds deposited into that Escrow account with strict instructions regarding how and when that commission is to be paid.
Just a start of an idea here which could actually happen if there is ample interest.
Worth considering, Bob, or NOT!
All very true
I ran, for 4 years, a show for college students in which I gave cash scholarships as awards.
Super successful-contestant and spectator wise.
Sponsors?
Let me put it this way:
$80,000 out of my own pocket after 4 years.
NOT good business.
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You can call me gullible, that's fine.
Wayne got 1500 butts in chairs in NYC, with Lee Priest on a stage. He got ESPN the Mag to cover it.
You can trivialize it all you'd like by throwing Rhino's name at it. But there HAVE been 5 attempts in 2 years. This is notable.
You're out of the loop, bro...there have been MANY orgs over the years, some of which still continue today...most of them Europe based, or defunct. This isn't anything new....just like the guy opening a pizza shop in the same spot that the last 6 failed because..."they just didn't know what they were doing".
You overlook the obvious....giving away 1,500 seats for free does not equal a success.
Again...supply and demand. There isn't enough of a demand, and using amateurs and wannabe's aint going to attract sponsors, fans or money....cant run a federation on the name of one guy.
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You're out of the loop, bro...there have been MANY orgs over the years, some of which still continue today...most of them Europe based, or defunct. This isn't anything new....just like the guy opening a pizza shop in the same spot that the last 6 failed because..."they just didn't know what they were doing".
You overlook the obvious....giving away 1,500 seats for free does not equal a success.
Again...supply and demand. There isn't enough of a demand, and using amateurs and wannabe's aint going to attract sponsors, fans or money....cant run a federation on the name of one guy.
sheeeooot...i paid for my tix!
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240, sorry to be back here haunting ya but you bring up an interesting subject. ANd it appears that we both see the same pasture from different sides of the fence.
Here's the way I see it.
Sure, we have had five attempts, but the point here is that all five of them have been failures. Or am I overlooking one?
Most new business ventures are initiated in an attempt to copy the success of others. I am not aware of any start-up starting up to emulate a business that has recently failed. There could be occasions where the founding officers simply stold the funds and went on the lam and another enterprising individual stepped in to fill the void, but there is no real void to fill in our present situation unless that "void" is in the head of the party who is stepping in.
I do agree that there are many reasons for anyone of us to wish to start a new organization. Some of these reasons may be valid but most of them are simply figments of our imagination.
But the overall picture from my side of the fence clearly shows that many have started but none crossed the finish line while racing against the big kid on the block. And we know damn well who that guy is.
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why do you believe B&A was trying to take on the IFBB? B&A was trying to put on a show. Musclemania is successful putting on shows. they offer prize money and modeling opportunities. WNBF is successful putting on shows. they offer prize money. In Europe, NAC contests are very popular. and there is still NABBA and WABBA. None of these guys are seen as trying to take on the IFBB.
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It's notable. IMO, the fact that for 14 years, no one had the guts or position to start a rival organization... then suddenly we have FIVE new orgas pop up in the last 24 months... Something has to be the catalyst for that. As years pass, and people retire, the BIG organization will be run more and more as a company, not a family-run business. And since the barriers to entry for a BBing federation are so low (under $50k delivers a show, and athletes are plentiful), will it be long until another entry comes along?
diffrence between European and American bodybuilding is that in the USA business is more important,
you need a strong business to run a Organization
all thiose Contest Promoters failed becouse they wanted to make money with the business of others (sponsors)
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hallo Ben,
because we are friend can I ask you some questions?
I have read that you say to be NABBA Universe winner, can I
ask you in in what year you have won?
I have in my archive you only 4th.
Also one more question: from the beginning I know your name
was NORBERT HULLEN and not BEN BLOOM, you already knew that
there would have been some threats of death against you?
You have won Natural competitions, sure You have not taken
tons of steroids?
Do you really need that motorcycle and car to buy with the
contest fees?
Friend I'm waintin your answere
saluti from south Italy
TEMUGIN FILIZOLA
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yes u can eat pizza
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yes u can eat pizza
No, the message behind this post was:
Italian meltdown. ::) ::)
How is the weather in italy?
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No, the message behind this post was:
oK u can have pizza behind
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a photo of thievish Ben15 winning natural Olympia full of steroids
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben2.jpg)
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LOL
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hallo Ben,
because we are friend can I ask you some questions?
I have read that you say to be NABBA Universe winner, can I
ask you in in what year you have won?
I have in my archive you only 4th.
Also one more question: from the beginning I know your name
was NORBERT HULLEN and not BEN BLOOM, you already knew that
there would have been some threats of death against you?
You have won Natural competitions, sure You have not taken
tons of steroids?
Do you really need that motorcycle and car to buy with the
contest fees?
Friend I'm waintin your answere
saluti from south Italy
TEMUGIN FILIZOLA
NORBERT HULLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This guy's competitive record is dogshit.......bahahahaha hahahaha!!!!!!!
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BEN15 do you wear hat because have lost hair with steroids?
from your eyes you have taken some nasal medicines (not talking of vicks sinex...)
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben9.jpg)
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This guy's competitive record is dogshit.......bahahahaha hahahaha!!!!!!!
Isn't it hilarious that Vince Goodrum has the audacity to make fun of someone's competitive record?
He was 7th at one show and dead last at two other shows.
pathetic.
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he is not a liar as Ben15
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a photo of thievish Ben15 winning natural Olympia full of steroids
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben2.jpg)
no dude
that's ben2
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hallo ban, do you fuck the blond fake tits or the black does?
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben6.jpg)
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hallo ban, do you fuck the blond fake tits or the black does?
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben6.jpg)
that's ben6 moron
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Read the writing in Ben's shirt....LOL!
hallo ban, do you fuck the blond fake tits or the black does?
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben6.jpg)
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thanks to musclemag to have adv this shit
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/scan1.jpg)
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