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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: calfzilla on September 02, 2008, 09:54:50 PM
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Can you guys inform me on exactly what the Adonis Principles are? Serious replies are appreciated.
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1. Desperately try to act and talk different so you don't fit in with society. Fail miserably.
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Adonis's principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal 100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below your baseline calories
he also recommended like half the RDA for daily protein requirements. :o
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Adonis principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal 100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below you baseline calories
Thanks that's pretty much what I thought it was. I agree with Adonis to some degree, but not 100%. True Adonis you are welcome to go into detail about your principles or provide a link to them.
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Thanks that's pretty much what I thought it was. I agree with Adonis to some degree, but not 100%. True Adonis you are welcome to go into detail about your principles or provide a link to them.
His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight
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That it is somehow better to diet with 2 nibbles of a calorie dense nutritionally sparse food than it is to eat a full sized nutritious high protein meal containing the same calories.
In other words, eat any 'ol junk food you want, but only eat small enough portions that you maintain a calorie debt. It is the opposite of how to diet properly.
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Keep calories at maintance or under but save some for a couple a glasses of absinthe every once and awhile...
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Adonis's principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal 100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below you baseline calories
he also recommended like half the RDA for daily protein requirements. :o
It is what he says but it is not real. Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein. Who do you think will look better.
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It is what he says but it is not real. Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein. Who do you think will look better.
i'm not agreeing with what he says..Just answering the question..I don't believe he actually followed that particular diet to cut anyway.
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I think this thread describes it pretty good: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0)
Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.
Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence seem to be:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.
If those are his principles, from my experience, I agree. Anything else to add or modify, TA?
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Can you guys inform me on exactly what the Adonis Principles are? Serious replies are appreciated.
1.Lie about your lifts.
2.Lie about your supposed girlfriend.
3.Lie about your financial status.
4.Copy and paste various stupid articles to getbig and claim you are really smart.
5.Grow 747 size ears.
6.Be amongst the world top 5% of ugly people.
I can go on but you get the picture.
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I think this thread describes it pretty good: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0)
Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.
Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence seem to be:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.
If those are his principles, from my experience, I agree. Anything else to add or modify, TA?
Those would be all the Adonis Principles!
Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.
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Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)
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Those would be all the Adonis Principles!
Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.
and
Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)
Oh shit. He found you.
You guys are fuccked now.
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It is what he says but it is not real. Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein. Who do you think will look better.
That is an ignorant example.
I will give you a real one.
Two twins eat 1 gram per lb of body weight protein and each are on a caloric deficit ingesting 2200 total calories.
Twin one meets the Protein Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with any food he likes be it chocolate, Fast Food, candy or whatever.
Twin two meets his Protien Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with boiled chicken, oatmeal and rice.
They both eat the same calories.
The both will look EXACTLY the same.
There is your example.
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His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight
I disagree and I am living proof. A minimum protein intake as well as supply of all needed nutrients to sustain health is important. Other than that, macro composition is of minimal or no importance, at least in my experience.
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i'm not agreeing with what he says..Just answering the question..I don't believe he actually followed that particular diet to cut anyway.
Wrong. I eat whatever I want.
Would you like to see what I ate today so far?
I track it everyday.
I still have more calories to eat before bedtime, but this is what I have so far today!
I DID NOT cook today for once!
Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
Qty: 2.79 x 100 grams (100g) 145 (9%) 0 g 1 g 39 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Body Fortress Whey Protein
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (66g) 210 (13%) 4 g 52 g 6 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Burger King sandwich: Original Whopper® Sandwich without mayonnaise
Qty: 1.0 x 1 order (269g) 550 (35%) 25 g 31 g 52 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Lindy`s Cappuccino Gelato
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g) 160 (10%) 4 g 2 g 18 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Oats & Chocolate Fiber One Bar
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (40g) 140 (9%) 4 g 2 g 29 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Energy Multi Grain Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (55g) 220 (14%) 7 g 10 g 29 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Nutrition Bar Dark Chocolate Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g) 150 (10%) 4 g 11 g 22 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
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His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight
Wrong again.
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Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb-1 gr/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.
- Strive for USRDA (you will meet or exceed the amounts most likely without any attention)
Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.
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I will probably have more fruit, Avocado, Apples and Peaches, Curried Beef and CousCous with Raisin Relish for my remaining calories before bed.
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Wrong. I eat whatever I want.
Would you like to see what I ate today so far?
I track it everyday.
I still have more calories to eat before bedtime, but this is what I have so far today!
I DID NOT cook today for once!
Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
Qty: 2.79 x 100 grams (100g) 145 (9%) 0 g 1 g 39 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Body Fortress Whey Protein
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (66g) 210 (13%) 4 g 52 g 6 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Burger King sandwich: Original Whopper® Sandwich without mayonnaise
Qty: 1.0 x 1 order (269g) 550 (35%) 25 g 31 g 52 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Lindy`s Cappuccino Gelato
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g) 160 (10%) 4 g 2 g 18 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Oats & Chocolate Fiber One Bar
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (40g) 140 (9%) 4 g 2 g 29 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Energy Multi Grain Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (55g) 220 (14%) 7 g 10 g 29 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Nutrition Bar Dark Chocolate Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g) 150 (10%) 4 g 11 g 22 g Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..
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How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..
WRONG AGAIN!
Amounts per 711.0
Set Daily Values
Calorie Information
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Calories
1575
(6594 kJ)
79%
From Carbohydrate
744
(3115 kJ)
From Fat
430
(1800 kJ)
From Protein
401
(1679 kJ)
From Alcohol
~0.0
(0.0 kJ)
Carbohydrates
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Total Carbohydrate
195
g
65%
Dietary Fiber
~30.7
g
~123%
Starch
~0.1
g
Sugars
97.0
g
Sucrose
~5776
mg
Glucose
~6780
mg
Fructose
~16460
mg
Lactose
~0.0
mg
Maltose
~0.0
mg
Galactose
~0.0
mg
Fats & Fatty Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Total Fat
49.0
g
75%
Saturated Fat
21.6
g
108%
4:00
~0.0
mg
6:00
~0.0
mg
8:00
~0.0
mg
10:00
~0.0
mg
12:00
~0.0
mg
13:00
~
14:00
~2.8
mg
15:00
~
16:00
~67.0
mg
17:00
~
18:00
~8.4
mg
19:00
~
20:00
~
22:00
~
24:00:00
~
Monounsaturated Fat
~1.5
g
14:01
~
15:01
~
16:1 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
16:1 c
~
16:1 t
~
17:01
~
18:1 undifferentiated
~19.5
mg
18:1 c
~
18:1 t
~
20:01
~0.0
mg
22:1 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
22:1 c
~
22:1 t
~
24:1 c
~
Polyunsaturated Fat
~0.6
g
16:2 undifferentiated
~
18:2 undifferentiated
~120
mg
18:2 n-6 c,c
~
18:2 c,t
~
18:2 t,c
~
18:2 t,t
~
18:2 i
~
18:2 t not further defined
~
18:03
~25.1
mg
18:3 n-3, c,c,c
~
18:3 n-6, c,c,c
~
18:4 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
20:2 n-6 c,c
~
20:3 undifferentiated
~
20:3 n-3
~
20:3 n-6
~
20:4 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
20:4 n-3
~
20:4 n-6
~
20:5 n-3
~0.0
mg
22:02
~
22:5 n-3
~0.0
mg
22:6 n-3
~0.0
mg
Total trans fatty acids
~0.9
g
Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids
~
Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids
~
Total Omega-3 fatty acids
~25.1
mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids
~120
mg
Learn more about these fatty acids
and their equivalent names
Protein & Amino Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Protein
109
g
217%
Tryptophan
~577
mg
Threonine
~1973
mg
Isoleucine
~1941
mg
Leucine
~3560
mg
Lysine
~2985
mg
Methionine
~683
mg
Cystine
~749
mg
Phenylalanine
~1099
mg
Tyrosine
~965
mg
Valine
~1877
mg
Arginine
~949
mg
Histidine
~656
mg
Alanine
~1517
mg
Aspartic acid
~3815
mg
Glutamic acid
~5656
mg
Glycine
~625
mg
Proline
~2549
mg
Serine
~1852
mg
Hydroxyproline
~
Vitamins
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Vitamin A
~4451
IU
~89%
Retinol
~0.0
mcg
Retinol Activity Equivalent
~8.4
mcg
Alpha Carotene
~0.0
mcg
Beta Carotene
~75.3
mcg
Beta Cryptoxanthin
~30.7
mcg
Lycopene
~0.0
mcg
Lutein+Zeaxanthin
~80.9
mcg
Vitamin C
~145
mg
~241%
Vitamin D
~80.0
IU
~20%
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)
~40.5
mg
~203%
Beta Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
Gamma Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
Delta Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
Vitamin K
~6.1
mcg
~8%
Thiamin
~3.0
mg
~203%
Riboflavin
~3.5
mg
~204%
Niacin
~40.3
mg
~201%
Vitamin B6
~4.1
mg
~206%
Folate
~808
mcg
~202%
Food Folate
~8.4
mcg
Folic Acid
~0.0
mcg
Dietary Folate Equivalents
~8.4
mcg
Vitamin B12
~12.0
mcg
~200%
Pantothenic Acid
~20.2
mg
~202%
Choline
~9.5
mg
Betaine
~0.3
mg
Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Calcium
1576
mg
158%
Iron
~19.8
mg
~110%
Magnesium
~498
mg
~124%
Phosphorus
~2401
mg
~240%
Potassium
~17338
mg
~495%
Sodium
1513
mg
63%
Zinc
~10.6
mg
~71%
Copper
~0.3
mg
~14%
Manganese
~0.1
mg
~5%
Selenium
~0.0
mcg
~0%
Fluoride
~9.2
mcg
Sterols
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Cholesterol
~167
mg
~56%
Phytosterols
~33.5
mg
Campesterol
~
Stigmasterol
~
Beta-sitosterol
~
Other
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Alcohol
~0.0
g
Water
~239
g
Ash
~0.5
g
Caffeine
~0.0
mg
Theobromine
~0.0
mg
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How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..
Check this out:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/custom/658855/2
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Now check this out.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/custom/658852/2
You see my ignorant friends, my diet is perfect.
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Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.
Since I defined a minimum, it would have to be a single number, not a range. Do you name a range because of individual differences?
Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)
Not familiar with it. It is a recommendation about composition of nutrients for optimal health, right? So we could say:
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients (e.g. follow USRDA).
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Since I defined a minimum, it would have to be a single number, not a range. Do you name a range because of individual differences?
Not familiar with it. It is a recommendation about composition of nutrients for optimal health, right? So we could say:
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients (e.g. follow USRDA).
1. I prefer a higher intake up to 1 gram per lb as I tend to lift VERY heavy and my workouts are taxing. Brief, but taxing. .5 is sufficient in most regards. I also love to cook many different things.
2. Right on about the USRDA! Easy to meet when you eat a lot of Fruits!
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I find myself getting around 30-80 grams of fiber at times!
One can imagine what happens!
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the GHB is working...
I'll debate you fine lads tommarrow...
Peace
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Now check this out.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/custom/658852/2
You see my ignorant friends, my diet is perfect.
I love fruit eat it by the ton everyday, but for comparison sake, take my lovely Snickers Bars (Above from the quoted post) and compare them with Apples so you can get an idea of what I mean when I say my diet will PWN yours: http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1809/0?quantity=2.79
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the GHB is working...
I'll debate you fine lads tommarrow...
Peace
There is nothing to debate my friend. You are simply ignorant of the subject is all, as most are. You are ruled by fear, myth and misconception. Humans are good at owing their lives to those 3 devils.
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1. I prefer a higher intake up to 1 gram per lb as I tend to lift VERY heavy and my workouts are taxing. Brief, but taxing. .5 is sufficient in most regards. I also love to cook many different things.
2. Right on about the USRDA! Easy to meet when you eat a lot of Fruits!
I take in 1g/lb or more also. It's quite easy to do and won't do any harm.
I'll refine the list a bit, if I may. I always strife for the simplest written form possible. I also resorted the list a bit:
Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (1g/lb bodyweight is sufficient for everyone),
- a variety of food good enough for proper nutrient intake (e.g. USRDA which can easily be met),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week.
Factors of minimal, no, or even negative influence are:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day,
- cardio training.
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The majority of you do not even eat fruit!
Its hilarious how horrible your diets are.
I will be more than happy to track YOUR diet and compare it to mine.
I bet you ANYTHING, nutrient wise, mine will ALWAYS come out ahead of yours and I eat whatever I feel like eating.
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I take in 1g/lb or more also. It's quite easy to do and won't do any harm.
I'll refine the list a bit, if I may. I always strife for the simplest written form possible. I also resorted the list a bit:
Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (1g/lb bodyweight is sufficient for everyone),
- a variety of food good enough for proper nutrient intake (e.g. USRDA which can easily be met),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week.
Factors of minimal, no, or even negative influence are:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day,
- cardio training.
Perfect!
Supplements are also NOT necessary but they can make it easier to meet the protein requirement. This should be obvious to all, but never underestimate the stupidity of humans so I figure it needed to be pointed out.
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I`m not even done eating today and I have already EXCEEDED what the majority of you do not meet.
Vitamin A
~4451
~89%
Vitamin C
~145
mg
~241%
Vitamin D
~80.0
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)
~40.5
mg
~203%
Thiamin
~3.0
mg
~203%
Riboflavin
~3.5
mg
~204%
Niacin
~40.3
mg
~201%
Vitamin B6
~4.1
mg
~206%
Folate
~808
mcg
~202%
Vitamin B12
~12.0
mcg
~200%
Pantothenic Acid
~20.2
mg
~202%
Choline
~9.5
mg
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My Cholesterol for the day..................... Get ready for it...................... ...............
BAM!
Cholesterol
~167
mg
~56%
Lower than ANY of yours. Got to love my Whoppers!
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I will TRACK ANYONE`S Diet for them and compare it to mine daily if you like!
ANYONE!
I am Positive mine will always trump for health and all requirements!
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Perfect!
Supplements are also NOT necessary but they can make it easier to meet the protein requirement. This should be obvious to all, but never underestimate the stupidity of humans so I figure it needed to be pointed out.
Haha, I take 100g of protein in powder form, just to be sure to meet the requirements. This way I can eat my fruit, ice cream bars, and tripple-whoppers without worry. :D
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So hypothetically, following the Adonis principles a 200lb bodybuilder could eat 200 grams of protein in one meal and be covered for the whole 24 hrs?
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I like your style Adam :)
You have developed a system that works and you apply it, can't ask for anything more.
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So hypothetically, following the Adonis principles a 200lb bodybuilder could eat 200 grams of protein in one meal and be covered for the whole 24 hrs?
Not in one sitting, at least I couldn't stomach it. But let's say in three portions, probably yes. I can only speak for Natties, though.
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Haha, I take 100g of protein in powder form, just to be sure to meet the requirements. This way I can eat my fruit, ice cream bars, and tripple-whoppers without worry. :D
Yeep Yeep!
Your abs are looking great Wavelength!
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Yeep Yeep!
Your abs are looking great Wavelength!
Thanks! I'm following teh principles until super-rippedness this time. I'm about halfway there. 8)
The avatar is from a few days ago.
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Thanks! I'm following teh principles until super-rippedness this time. I'm about halfway there. 8)
The avatar is from a few days ago.
Yah I am doing a ripper at the moment too! lol
Mr Getbig should prove to be a breeze. I probably will go beyond even that point for a bit.
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The Adonis Principles aren't for natural lifters.
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The Adonis Principles aren't for natural lifters.
::)
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The majority of you do not even eat fruit!
Its hilarious how horrible your diets are.
I will be more than happy to track YOUR diet and compare it to mine.
I bet you ANYTHING, nutrient wise, mine will ALWAYS come out ahead of yours and I eat whatever I feel like eating.
You're a good marketer, but the fact remains that your diet plan still involves eating a specific amount of the right nutrients and food groups in proportion to your bodyweight, metabolism and amount of daily exercise you're doing.
You "eat whatever you want" because you know what to eat. Someone looking at The Adonis Principles and going "Hey, I can eat whatever I want" is naive to the finer points that are often left out of the description of The Adonis Principles.
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A calorie is a calorie in the physical sense.
In a biological sense however, a calorie is not a calorie (if the sources are different). Their energy potential is equal, the biological processes involved however makes them not equal.
The biological pathways for 1000 cal of Dextrose != 1000 cal of whole grain wheat.
FACTS.
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1.Lie about your lifts.
2.Lie about your supposed girlfriend.
3.Lie about your financial status.
4.Copy and paste various stupid articles to getbig and claim you are really smart.
5.Grow 747 size ears.
6.Be amongst the world top 5% of ugly people.
I can go on but you get the picture.
that about sums it up pretty good.
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I bet you ANYTHING, nutrient wise, mine will ALWAYS come out ahead of yours and I eat whatever I feel like eating.
This is a logical fallacy, and a stupid assertion.
How will your diet ALWAYS come out ahead of "anyone's" if you're going off the whim of your desires i.e. "eat whatever I feel like eating". Are you saying that if someone is meticulous with their diet and you eat whatever you want your diet will come out "ahead"? For the simple reason you're you, your diet is better? ??? ::)
It might come ahead because you don't actually eat whatever you feel like eating. You eat what keeps you between the nutrient boundaries.
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This is a logical fallacy, and a stupid assertion.
How will your diet ALWAYS come out ahead of "anyone's" if you're going off the whim of your desires i.e. "eat whatever I feel like eating". Are you saying that if someone is meticulous with their diet and you eat whatever you want your diet will come out "ahead"? For the simple reason you're you, your diet is better? ??? ::)
It might come ahead because you don't actually eat whatever you feel like eating. You eat what keeps you between the nutrient boundaries.
It's useless to argue with TA, he will not listen.
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It's useless to argue with TA, he will not listen.
I'm not concerned with him listening, but the blatant lies and deceit are worth debunking.
I'm not sure what wavelengths profession is, but I assume from what I thought of his intellect he wouldn't subscribe to these fallacies.
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I'm not concerned with him listening, but the blatant lies and deceit are worth debunking.
I'm not sure what wavelengths profession is, but I assume from what I thought of his intellect he wouldn't subscribe to these fallacies.
Same business as you my friend...
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If a calorie is a calorie, try and just eat butter all day and see what comes from that.
Or you could drink coca cola instead.
Total utter BS.
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My main objection, particularly in the past, is that a bunch of stupid lurker kids are going to eat cookies for breakfast, McDonalds for lunch, and ice cream for dinner, and actually believe it's good for them. Junk food is regarded as such for good reason. It's rich in shit that's bad for you (sugar, bad fats, chemicals, etc) and short on things that are good for you (good fats, micronutrients, antioxidants, etc).
On that basis, I feel it was irresponsible of TA to push his junk food diet as aggressively as he did, and did he ever. Those who were around know what I mean. At least he's decided to push the nutritional side of things this time around, although he may find it hard to prove the nutritional superiority of highly processed foods over what most regard as a healthy diet.
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Same business as you my friend...
Seriously? Poor bastard :'(
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In Australia, TA would be known as a "Dumb Bastard"
There are too many variables involved to say that is the perfect diet.
People react differently to diets and different foods.
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In Australia, TA would be known as a "Dumb Bastard"
There are too many variables involved to say that is the perfect diet.
People react differently to diets and different foods.
He is not selling the advice(yet), just giving it away for free on a message board. Take it, leave it, but don't complain about it you filthy cokksukker.
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Thats right it is a message board....So freedom of speech is still allowed. If he is willing to talk about it then he is willing to hear people complain about it.
You cant expect people to really believe the crap he is saying.... It isnt as easy as he is preaching..
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Thats right it is a message board....So freedom of speech is still allowed. If he is willing to talk about it then he is willing to hear people complain about it.
You cant expect people to really believe the crap he is saying.... It isnt as easy as he is preaching..
Wavelength, Migizi(The Dancing Machine), Tweeter and Leafy Bug have all used his diet to great success. You are new here, so you should just stfu.
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Hahaha..... Im new am I??? Good one.. Ive been coming to this board for years... Get a life and realise that everything he has written is utter crap...
If it is so true, he should write a book, have it published in a medical journal and make a few million fixing the OBESE fat people in the USA!!!
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That is an ignorant example.
I will give you a real one.
Two twins eat 1 gram per lb of body weight protein and each are on a caloric deficit ingesting 2200 total calories.
Twin one meets the Protein Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with any food he likes be it chocolate, Fast Food, candy or whatever.
Twin two meets his Protien Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with boiled chicken, oatmeal and rice.
They both eat the same calories.
The both will look EXACTLY the same.
There is your example.
Timberwolf agrees with that (as do I).
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You cant expect people to really believe the crap he is saying.... It isnt as easy as he is preaching..
No diet is easy. it's about consistancy and dedication to an end goal. Easy is the diet, not the will to actually stick to it moron.
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Hahaha..... Im new am I??? Good one.. Ive been coming to this board for years... Get a life and realise that everything he has written is utter crap...
If it is so true, he should write a book, have it published in a medical journal and make a few million fixing the OBESE fat people in the USA!!!
Well one principle is to loose 1-3lb a week when dieting. Maybe obese people could stick to a diet better if they would still be allowed to eat what they like in smaller quantities.
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No diet is easy. it's about consistancy and dedication to an end goal. Easy is the diet, not the will to actually stick to it moron.
I agree. But I like to make it as easy and enjoyable as possible.
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Of course diets will make an impact with people but how bout considering how well the persons Thyroid is actually working, this is what controls the rate of metabolism within people. THIS is why some Obese people never succeed in losing weight, simply because there is a direct problem related to their Thyroid Gland.
So there are many more factors involved other than what TA promotes as the answer.
Keep it real.... Not TA bullshit
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I will TRACK ANYONE`S Diet for them and compare it to mine daily if you like!
ANYONE!
I am Positive mine will always trump for health and all requirements!
cool, ill take you up on that offer.
What would you suggest?
Meal 1:
Bowl of oatmeal, 3 egg whites, 1 egg yolks with a handful of Almonds.
Skinless Chicken Breast with ketchup.
Around 40 grams of protein
Workout
Meal 2:
Protein Shake, a bannana.... 45 grams Protein
Meal 3 Postworkout:
Stir Fry with Chicken, 40 grams
Meal 4:
Protein Shake.....45 grams protein
Meal 5:
Stir Fry with Chicken, a handful of almonds....30-40 grams protein
I also work 3 hours a night so thats really my cardio.
Trying to get down to 8%
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I have said for years A CALORIE IS A CALORIE, but a MACRONUTRIENT is NOT a MACRONUTRIENT!
With that said, the Ratio of MacroNutrients DO NOT MATTER as long as the Protein requirement is met.
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cool, ill take you up on that offer.
What would you suggest?
Meal 1:
Bowl of oatmeal, 3 egg whites, 1 egg yolks with a handful of Almonds.
Skinless Chicken Breast with ketchup.
Around 40 grams of protein
Workout
Meal 2:
Protein Shake, a bannana.... 45 grams Protein
Meal 3 Postworkout:
Stir Fry with Chicken, 40 grams
Meal 4:
Protein Shake.....45 grams protein
Meal 5:
Stir Fry with Chicken, a handful of almonds....30-40 grams protein
I also work 3 hours a night so thats really my cardio.
Trying to get down to 8%
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I will try and get your diet up to speed a bit. What are your favorite foods? What do you absolutely enjoy eating? It can be anything. I will put together a sample and post it here.
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Unless you just have really good genetics or take steroids the only real way to accomplish what you want is to take a 2 steps forward one step back approach. Building a significant amount of muscle without adding some fat is about impossible for most people.
Contrary to popular belief, providing your basic protein requirements are met and you're training, the "composition", "timing", and "frequency" of your diet are not as important as many think and are not as important as your total caloric intake. Let's run through a few myths right quick.
- Eating once a day is worse then eating 6 times a day but there's little if any difference between eating 3 times a day and 6 times a day.
-Whole food meals restore muscle glycogen just as well as postworkout carb drinks. If you have days between intense workouts for a certain bodypart it's not like your body needs to be in a hurry up mode to restore a couple of hundred calories worth of glycogen (energy) you burn up in a workout.
- The only major benefit of food combining is appetite control. How you combine your meals is of little relevance at the end of the day.
- Protein is protein. The majority of differences in quality (and price) can be made up for by quantity. Give me the guy getting his protein from steak and eggs everyday compared to the guy spending $1500 per month on fancy micro-ozone-filtered powders and I'll take the first guy every time.
- Carbs and fats are both sources of energy. Excess energy above and beyond your daily energy needs from either source leads to fat gain. Lack of energy from either source below your daily energy needs leads to fat loss. Whether you eat more calories from fat or more calories from carbohydrate, or less energy from fat or less energy from carbohydrate, energy is energy.
- The most important factor as to whether you gain or lose weight is your daily caloric intake.
- The amount of fat you gain on a bulking diet is primarily determined by your total caloric intake and your genetics.
- The amount of muscle you lose on a fat loss diet is primarily determined by the extent of your caloric deficit and your genetics.
- The body does not suddenly go "catabolic" when no protein is consumed over a few hour time span.
How Important is the Complicated Stuff?For the most part, whatever complicated nutrition scheme you're on is not all that relevant as to what your body does with excess calories in regard to muscle gain as long as you're eating enough protein. Activity itself along with the total calories that you eat and the endocrine signals your body sends (genetics) are much more important. In order of importance the major factors would be:
1. Endocrine signaling (genetics, hormones, etc.)
2. Dietary totals
3. activity
4. Dietary composition
5. Meal timing.
A Scenario
If we take 2 twins and they both train the same and eat 150 grams of protein and 3000 calories per day but one eats 6 meals per day and 500 grams of carbs consisting of potatoes and brown rice etc., while the other eats 3 meals per day and 500 grams of carbs consisting of cereal and bread, most would be very surprised of how little difference there would be as far as the amount of muscle and fat they gained.The main difference between a diet consisting of whole foods and a diet consisting of processed crap is, it's a lot easier to consume more calories on the processed diet and, since excess calories are what make people fat, it's a lot easier to consume more calories and get fat on a junk food diet. Additionally, many people eating the processed diet are not getting the right amount of protien.
Minimums
What are the minimums? Well, there is no minimum level of carbohydrate, - Carbs are just energy. If you wanted to get nitpicky you could say that 100 grams of carbohydrate would be required per day to maintain enough blood glucose to think straight, but that's not necessarily essential.
For protein the minimum generally runs anywhere from 1 gram per lb of bodyweight to 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight, depending on the total caloric intake and activity. The less calories consumed and the greater the activity, the more protien you need.
For fat intake, fat is also just an energy source, the only fats required are essential fatty acids. You can get those by eating cold-water fish, or supplementing with 6-10 grams of fish oil per day. More essential fatty acids aren't going to do anything anabolically to magically transform your body.
Setting up a Diet Based On Minimums
Say I weigh 200 lbs and I want to set up a diet. Based on the minimums I'd be consuming:
200 grams of protein (1 gram per pound of bodyweight for 800 calories)
100 grams of carbohydrate (100 grams to fuel the brain 400 calories)
6 grams of fish oil caps (60 calories).
That means my baseline diet would be 1260 calories. I would obviously never go under that. From that point I would add additional carbs and fats to get my energy status where I wanted it.
Total Calories
Total calories refers to how much energy you need to take in to meet your daily energy demands. Take in less calories (energy) then you need and your body will either:
A: Burn fat
B: Burn muscle
Take in more calories then you need and your body will either:
A: Store the excess as fat
B: Use the excess to promote muscle growth.
Partitioning
You create the "stimulus" for muscle growth through training. You provide the raw material (food), for the growth. Once you've done those 2 things the rest is up to your body. How many calories can you direct into the "muscular" compartment and how many calories are directed into your "fat' compartment? We refer to that as nutrient partitioning.
Some people will gain 1 lb of fat for every pound of muscle they put on. Others will gain 3 lbs of fat per every 1 pound of muscle. Others will gain 4 lbs of muscle per every 1 pound of fat. The amount of muscle building in relation to fat building that goes on once you've provided excess raw materials is primarily determined by your genetics and how fast you attempt to gain weight (how much above maintenance you eat). If you don't believe me about the gentics all you have to do is hang around a group of division I athletes for a while - see who has the best physiques then watch those people eat.
Genetics
Genetic expression is 1/2 DNA and 1/2 environment. It can be affected by many things including activity, psychology, nutrition, and drugs but for the most part genetics are genetics. Obviously, there are major differences between different individuals but the ability to cause physique alterations can even change in a given individual over time.
The main thing that changes genetic expression in a given individual more then anything else is not what type of diet they're on, how they combine their meals, or what supplements they take, it is their activity and their age. Activity is obvious and 100% controllable but the only thing that can come close to over-riding the effect of aging is drugs. Go look at the diet and physique of a 70 + yr old bodybuilder like Jack Lalanne and compare it to the diet and physique of a 22 yr old Jack Lalanne. At 22 Jack Lalanne could probably gain 3 lbs of muscle per every 1 pound of fat. At 70+ he probably gains 4 lbs of fat per every 1 lb of muscle. He's still Jack Lalanne, but the difference in response to his environment (training and nutrition) is night and day. Now, put Jack Lalanne on a cycle of testosterone and he could probably come fairly close to duplicating what he could do in his 30's or 40's.
What about fat loss?
Ok. Now, when it comes to losing weight, the example I gave above with the twins also holds true. Assuming one consumes the minimum levels of protein, the amount of fat vs muscle they lose is mainly determined by the caloric deficit and genetics, not nutrient timing or whether they consume eggs, chicken, low carb, high carb, or the $100 protein powder.
Therefore, if we again have two twins wanting to lose weight and they each weigh 150 lbs and require 3000 calories per day, - and we have one eat a 2500 calorie diet with 150 grams of protein and the rest made up of expensive supplements, specifically timed nutrients, and only "health" foods, while the other twin eats 2500 calories per day consisting of 150 grams of protein along with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and crackers, once again there will be very little difference in the effectiveness of either plan since the primary determining factors are the genetics and daily totals, which are the same.
Continued...
Exceptions
Now, if we take a person who consumes only 30 grams of protein per day and the rest sugar and compare that to a person consuming 150 grams of protein per day and a wholesome diet, then yes, we will see some differences because one guy is only consuming 30 grams of protein thus the minimums aren't being met.
If we take one person dieting on a 500 calorie deficit compared to another person dieting on a 1500 calorie deficit then yes, one will lose a lot more muscle then the other because one is trying to lose a pound per week while ther other is trying to lose about 5 lbs per week.
If we take one person trying to gain muscle on a 500 calorie excess while another person is trying to gain muscle on a 2000 calorie excess, obviously the 2nd person is likely going to gain a lot more fat in the process.
If person A does an Atkins diet while person B does a south beach diet while person C does a Pritikin diet they can all get the same results. The primary difference between them is that some diets make it easier to consume lower calories. A low carbohydrate diet, for example, tends to blunt appetite. A high carbohydrate diet tends to stimulate appetite for a lot of people.
The Real Anabolic Secret
Ok, now having said all that and getting back to your original question, if you're gonna build muscle without getting fat you can either manipulate your endocrine signaling or you can manipulate your dietary totals.
The first consists of taking steroids. The primary benefit of steroids isn't that they allow you to get big it's that they improve nutrient partitioning and allow a person to get big without turning into a fat piece of crap in the process.
Anybody can get big. If you wanna get 250 lbs of muscle all you need to do is train a few times per week with basic movements and eat yourself up to about 400 lbs of scale weight. You'll be fat as heck and look like crap but it's not that hard. Hell, sumo wrestlers carry more muscle then either bodybuilders or powerlifters and they don't even train much less take steroids.
Manipulating Diet
Other options including manipulating your dietary totals. This might consist of:
1. Trying to gain weight very slowly.
Your body can only build muscle so fast. The faster you try to gain the more fat you're probably gonna gain. Eat maybe an extra 100 calories per day and you might gain a lb of muscle every couple of months. Honestly, most people who attempt to do this usually aren't able to build any muscle at all.
2. Take a 2 steps forward one step back approach
With this approach you eat and train to gain weight and muscle for a certain number of days and then eat and train to lose fat for a certain number of days. The weight gain phase obviously consists of high calories and the low calorie phase consists of low calories. This is the approach I prefer and is the only way short of drugs once can compete with superior genetics and aging.
The number of weight gain days and the number of weight loss days depends onyour metabolism and genetics. The basic tenet is that you put on muscle and accept some fat gain for a certain period of time and then you take off the fat that you gained. At the end of each phase you should be a bit heavier and just as lean.
Some people do well with a 5 day high calorie phase and a 2 day low calorie phase. Others do well with a 7 day high calorie phase and a 2 day low calorie phase. Others do well with a 13 day high calorie phase a 3 day low calorie phase. Others do well with a 2-3 week high calories phase and a 1-2 weeks low calorie phase. How you set it up doesn't really matter.
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Contrary to what many others will say, great stuff there adonis.
What you wrote in the last paragraph resembles scott abel's cycle diet and I can attest to it being the most effective way to gain weight (gain muscle weight that is)
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So do you think there is a certain amount of carbs (threshold per se) you can take in at one sitting?
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I have said for years A CALORIE IS A CALORIE, but a MACRONUTRIENT is NOT a MACRONUTRIENT!
With that said, the Ratio of MacroNutrients DO NOT MATTER as long as the Protein requirement is met.
Is your assertion that a calorie is a calorie is the physical science sense that they 1 calorie of x contains the same energy as 1 calorie of y?
If so, why EVER make that assertion? Are you next going to make the assertion that one proton in a carbohydrate molecule is identical to a proton molecule in a rock?
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The Skinny on the Glycemic Index
Although developed to help people with diabetes manage their food intake, the glycemic index has taken on new meaning as a weight loss strategy. In fact, several diet books tout the glycemic index as a foolproof way of identifying foods that raise blood sugar and insulin levels and therefore, can lead to weight gain.
But despite the hype, experts in nutrition and public health see very little practical use for the glycemic index and even the American Diabetes Association does not recommend this system for the prevention or treatment of diabetes. This is because of the many factors that affect the digestion of carbohydrates in the body. In fact, there is no clear evidence that avoiding foods high on the index is even beneficial.
The following describes what the glycemic index is and why the public health community does not recommend it in designing an eating plan.
The Glycemic Index and Its Limitations
Originally developed in 1981 as a laboratory tool to measure the rate at which carbohydrates are metabolized, the glycemic index is now being used by some as a measure of the degree to which a specific food raises a person's blood sugar, which in turn affects insulin levels in the body. GI is calculated by measuring the effect of 50 grams of carbohydrates from various foods against a "standard" response from 50 grams of glucose. The higher the number, the greater the food's effect on blood sugar.
The reason for all the interest in the index is because it supports the theory of "net carbs," which has facilitated the creation of the low-carb food industry and the launch of thousands of "low-carb" products. The theory is that high-GI foods cause a spike in the glucose level that prompts the body to release a flood of insulin. In turn, insulin drops blood sugar levels so that the person feels hungry again quickly and eats more. In contrast, low-GI foods are said to be digested more slowly and to release glucose more gradually.
But while many popular diet books make it sound as if the glycemic index is an accepted theory, in truth, there are very real problems with this system. First and foremost is the fact that the glycemic index deals with single foods eaten alone, not meals where foods are combined.
At the same time, this system does not take into account the serving size of commonly eaten foods or the fact that there can be major differences even when comparing foods of the same type, such as a relatively green banana compared with a ripe one. Another major limitation of the glycemic index is that it doesn't take into account the many factors that can alter the digestion and absorption of carbohydrates. These factors include the amount of fiber, fat and protein in the food, how refined the ingredients are, whether the food was cooked, and what other foods are eaten at the same time.
Along with these limitations, there is no clear-cut evidence in the scientific literature that associates low-GI foods as either promoting satiety or reducing hunger. Moreover, nutritionists state that eliminating all foods that are high on the glycemic index is unhealthy, since many of these carbohydrates are rich in vitamins and minerals, phytochemicals, antioxidants and dietary fiber that have been associated with a lower risk for certain cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and stroke, among other medical conditions. What is even more troubling is that many foods that have a low GI score, such as chocolate bars, are known to be high in fat and calories, while foods such as carrots with a high GI score are not.
The Implications for People with Diabetes
Because the glycemic index was developed to measure how fast blood sugar rises after a person eats foods containing carbohydrates, it is important to note that the premier organization focusing on the prevention and treatment of diabetes -- the American Diabetes Association -- does not recommend the use of this system. In its January 2002 nutrition recommendations, ADA stated that the available studies where glycemic index was controlled "do not provide convincing evidence of a benefit."1 In addition, ADA's statement said that the research examining the index is very limited and involves only a small number of study groups. Therefore, ADA concluded, "the data reveal no clear trend in outcome benefits." Rather, the ADA along with all the leading nutrition and public health groups recommend that for optimal health as well as weight loss, people should consume a diet that includes a variety of carbohydrate-containing foods, and especially fruits, vegetables, whole grains and low-fat dairy products. Moreover, nutrition authorities are unanimous in stating that for weight loss, calories count, not the glycemic index. Although it may sound old-fashioned, the simple fact is that the key to successful weight loss is a combination of a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity -- nothing more.
* Alliance for Aging Research
* American Association of Diabetes Educators
* American Council on Science and Health
* American Institute for Cancer Research
* American Obesity Association
* Harvard Medical School
* MedStar Research Institute
* National Consumers League
* National Women's Health Resource Center
* Nutritional Sciences Program at the University of Washington
* Pennington Biomedical Research Center
* Shape Up America!
* Society for Women's Health Research
* University of California at Davis Department of Nutrition
* UCLA Center for Human Nutrition
* Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center
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Well one principle is to loose 1-3lb a week when dieting. Maybe obese people could stick to a diet better if they would still be allowed to eat what they like in smaller quantities.
The obese are addicted to the sedative effect produced by overeating. For the most part they eat indescriminately, so unfortunately, I think you are wrong.
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The obese are addicted to the sedative effect produced by overeating. For the most part they eat indescriminately, so unfortunately, I think you are wrong.
I don`t agree. Obese people can be educated just a bit. The problems usually stem from complete restriction and then rediscovery of a certain food or just plain ignorance of labeling foods as good and bad.
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The obese are addicted to the sedative effect produced by overeating. For the most part they eat indescriminately, so unfortunately, I think you are wrong.
They wouldn't be allowed to overeat on a fish and rice diet either. I don't know if there are too many people who are obese on boiled fish and rice. Most of them are probably addicted to fat and sugar. I'm not an expert on obesety but I would think that getting them on a diet, where they could still have as much as possible of the foods they like, would make it easier.
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That is an ignorant example.
I will give you a real one.
Two twins eat 1 gram per lb of body weight protein and each are on a caloric deficit ingesting 2200 total calories.
Twin one meets the Protein Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with any food he likes be it chocolate, Fast Food, candy or whatever.
Twin two meets his Protien Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with boiled chicken, oatmeal and rice.
They both eat the same calories.
The both will look EXACTLY the same.
There is your example.
Not necessarily.
some people are carb sensitive and others calorie sensitive.
You have a brain and try to think new things...just doesnt quite work
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Most of the time overeating is a conditioned response on environmental factors with ignorance combined. The ignorant go on visual cues rather than satiety. There was a great experiment where soups were placed in bowls. A few bowls were never-ending in that the bowls kept refilling unbeknownst to the soup eater. The soup-eater kept on eating and kept on and kept on without a thought to stopping, whereas the ones without the refilling bowl stopped as soon as the bowl was empty.
People also think that if something is on a plate, it is taboo to not fill it, or to leave something on it for later.
Its only ignorance that holds people back.
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Not necessarily.
some people are carb sensitive and others calorie sensitive.
You have a brain and try to think new things...just doesnt quite work
Carb Sensitivity is a total myth.
I invite you to find me any instance proving "carb sensitivity" and the guidelines thereof. Mr. Layne Norton is very qualified to take your questions on this subject. He will set you straight. :)
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Carb Sensitivity is a total myth.
I invite you to find me any instance proving "carb sensitivity" and the guidelines thereof. Mr. Layne Norton is very qualified to take your questions on this subject. He will set you straight. :)
i cant get you it right now though i can ask my buddy where he read it and can refer you to it.
Why do you say it is a myth?
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The Bottomless Soup Bowl is Awarded an Ig Nobel Prize!
cartoonQ&A: The Bottomless Soup Bowl
1. How did you come up with the idea to develop this bottomless bowl of soup?
People often say they know its time to stop eating when they the plate or bowl they are eating from is empty. They call this, “The Clean Plate Club. "We wanted to know what would happen if a person's plate or bowl never emptied.
We engineered "bottomless soup bowls," that secretly refilled themselves from under the table as people ate.
When we brought 62 people in for a free soup lunch, we found that those with refillable bowls ate 73% more soup, but did not feel any more full. They responded, "How can I be full, I still have 1/2 a bowl of soup left." (Only 2 individuals ever realized this was happening).
2. What are the conclusions of your work in nutrition field?
We eat with our eyes and not with our stomach. The cues around us have a huge influence on not only what we eat, but also how much we eat, and when we feel full.
One tip is this. If you eat straight from a package, box, or ice cream pint, you'll eat a lot more than you otherwise would if you dished it out into a bowl and there -- for at least one second -- saw exactly how much you were planning to eat. As I wrote in my book, Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006), we find this reduces how much people eat by around 32%.
3. When you started your work did you feel that it was "Ig Nobel kind"?
I love research that does 3 things: 1) Answers an important question, 2) Does so in a vivid, memorable way, and 3) Is published in a highly prestigious journal. This did all three. If an article is good enough to be in a great journal and vivid enough to receive an IgNobel, that’s incredible.
In Mindless Eating, I focus on dozens of these kinds of studies we have done to show how the environment influences us and what we can do about it. This seems to be the way I think about many kinds of questions: Vivid proof.
4. What it means for you to win this award?
I hope it underscores to young researchers that great quality research does not have to be stodgy and dry. You can think outside the box and still stay within a journal.
5. Are Ig Nobel awards a serious thing?
They are seriously fun, and they are effective in generating an interest in science among people who may not usually find it that interesting. If it generates more interest in science, and does it in a fun way, I think it does a great service.
6. What kind of experiments are you working on today?
Most of my new quirky experiments and discoveries are ones we are uncovering in restaurants, bars, school lunchrooms, and kitchens, and I describe them in, Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006). Making small changes in these places – to lighting, glasses, plates, food presentation, and so on – has a huge change on people. It enables them to mindlessly eat less than mindlessly eat more.
7. Where can a person find more information?
• The article can be found at Wansink, Brian, James E. Painter, and Jill North (2005), “Bottomless Bowls: Why Visual Cues of Portion Size May Influence Intake,” Obesity Research, 13:1 (January), 93-100.
• A colorful account of it can be found in Chapter 2 of Mindless Eating (Bantam 2006)
• Photos of the study can be found at www.MindlessEating.org.
8. What’s your background?
Brian Wansink is Professor and Director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab and author of “Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006). He received his Ph.D. in Consumer Behavior from Stanford University and specializes uncovering how we can make small changes in our environment to eat less and enjoy food more.
soup at table
Guess which of these bowls are being endlessly refilled from under the table?
(p. 47)
Borg-like tubing
Behold! The Borg-like tubing that refills the Bottomless Soup Bowls. How much more soup would you eat if your soup bowl never emptied? (p. 52) Click to enlarge photo.
looking through mirror
Professor Brian Wansink observes a study through a 1 way mirror in Cornell's Food and Brand Lab.
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Behold! The Borg-like tubing that refills the Bottomless Soup Bowls. How much more soup would you eat if your soup bowl never emptied?
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Here you guys are:
The full paper and experiment are HERE:
http://www.mindlesseating.org/ignobel.htm
I think a lot of you may enjoy this and find it amusing!
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It takes 15 mins for your stomach to realise it is full hence you can keep eating.
The process of chewing send signals to the brain you are eating
That stuff you are posting...yes interesting...relevant no. Carb ensitivity does exist
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I HIGHLY recommend this book!
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It takes 15 mins for your stomach to realise it is full hence you can keep eating.
The process of chewing send signals to the brain you are eating
That stuff you are posting...yes interesting...relevant no. Carb ensitivity does exist
The 15 minute thing is a total myth.
"Carb Sensitivity" only exists in your head. Its as real as your god. ;)
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I HIGHLY recommend this book!
Greed and it tastes good.
Must have been a short book
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Greed and it tastes good.
Must have been a short book
Goudy,
You are REALLY displaying your ignorance here with that statement.
How Much Do You Really Control Your Eating?
Posted by Brian Wansink at 8/28/2008 12:00 AM EDT
The theme of the book Mindless Eating is that there are many things around us that manipulate or deceive us into eating more than we otherwise would. Popcorn buckets manipulate us, names confuse us, plates deceive us, friends unwittingly lead us astray, lighting and music fool us, colors miscue us, shapes trick us, and on and on. But all of them do so very subtly.
Mindless Eating helps you generate mindlessly-easy solutions to trim excess calories out of your life in a way in which you will not miss them. Each chapter specifically illustrates what researchers know about mindless eating, and each shows how you can use the same tricks to reverse how much you eat.
There are a lot of invisible traps out there that we unknowingly let trick us into overeating. What you can do is outlined in the next chapters, but we are first going to look at what causes us to decide how much we want to eat. Once we understand why we eat how much we eat, we can more clearly see how to change it.
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Three tips for fighting feelings of deprivation
Posted by Brian Wansink at 7/1/2008 12:00 AM EDT
One of the biggest reasons why most diets will fail before they even really begin is that they lead most people to believe that they have to deprive themselves of the foods they like and the lifestyle they enjoy. They also require that a person forego their typical way of life and spend it focused on calories and on resisting millions of years of evolution.
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The best way to begin changing habits is to do so in a way that does not make you feel deprived. Keep the comfort foods, but eat smaller quantities by adding some substitutes.
• Feeling deprived of the foods you like in the quantities you want is the quickest way to watch yourself throw all hope overboard and binge out.
• Comfort foods – think small – are a great way to not feel deprived. Many comfort foods are actually reasonably healthy. Small doses take you a long ways.
• Keep the notion of volume in mind. The more you eat of low “energy dense” foods (like green vegetables), the more full you’ll feel and the less deprive you’ll feel.
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Goudy,
You are REALLY displaying your ignorance here with that statement.
How Much Do You Really Control Your Eating?
Posted by Brian Wansink at 8/28/2008 12:00 AM EDT
The theme of the book Mindless Eating is that there are many things around us that manipulate or deceive us into eating more than we otherwise would. Popcorn buckets manipulate us, names confuse us, plates deceive us, friends unwittingly lead us astray, lighting and music fool us, colors miscue us, shapes trick us, and on and on. But all of them do so very subtly.
Mindless Eating helps you generate mindlessly-easy solutions to trim excess calories out of your life in a way in which you will not miss them. Each chapter specifically illustrates what researchers know about mindless eating, and each shows how you can use the same tricks to reverse how much you eat.
There are a lot of invisible traps out there that we unknowingly let trick us into overeating. What you can do is outlined in the next chapters, but we are first going to look at what causes us to decide how much we want to eat. Once we understand why we eat how much we eat, we can more clearly see how to change it.
Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?
Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.
Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.
Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No
Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.
Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.
These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise
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Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?
Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.
Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.
Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No
Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.
Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.
These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise
Goudy.
Let`s get real.
Currently you ARE fat.
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Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?
Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.
Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.
Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No
Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.
Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.
These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise
Read the book.
You will find that it is in NO WAY directed at fat people just as Michael Pollan`s The Omnivore`s Dilemma and In The Defense of Food are not.
You will love it I am positive. It is more of a study about human psychology than anything.
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Never been about 15% in my life
It is a gimmick to get money.
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Never been about 15% in my life
It is a gimmick to get money.
Wrong. Do you even know who Brian Wansink is?
Brian Wansink
Brian Wansink, Ph.D.
Born June 28, 1960
Sioux City, Iowa
Fields Consumer behavior, nutritional science, marketing
Institutions USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, Food and Brand Lab, Cornell University
Known for Food behavior and psychology
Notable awards ABC World News Person of the Week, (January 4) 2008; Ig Nobel Prize, 2007
Brian Wansink (born 1960, Sioux City, Iowa) is an American professor in the fields of consumer behavior and nutritional science and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), which is charged with the 2010 Dietary Guidelines and with promoting the Food Guide Pyramid (MyPyramid).
Wansink[1] is best known for his work on consumer behavior and food and for popularizing terms such as "mindless eating" and "health halos." His research has focused on how micro environments (supermarkets, packaging, homes, pantries, and tablescapes) influence what and how much people eat and how much they enjoy it. Wansink holds the John S. Dyson Endowed Chair in the Applied Economics and Management Department at Cornell University. He is the author of over 100 academic articles and books, including Marketing Nutrition (2005) and the best-selling book Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam Dell 2006). He is a 2007 recipient of the humorous Ig Nobel Prize and was named ABC World News Person of the Week[2] on January 4, 2008.
Having been referred to as the "Sherlock Holmes of Food"[1] and the "Wizard of Why"[2] Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with improving the deeper scientific understanding of food eating and food shopping. A fundamental finding is that how much one eats and how much one enjoys a food are unknowingly biased by the environment -- the way a food is labeled, presented, stored, or served. Part of eating less and eating better, he argues, is as easy as making small adjustments to our homes and to the daily "mindless" patterns of our lives.
The studies from the lab have been credited with the development of the 100 calorie packs as well as discovering and quantifying a wide range of basic, every day insights:
A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[3]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[4]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[5]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[6]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [7]
Contents 1 Biography
Biography
Wansink was born in Sioux City, Iowa of Dutch heritage, to John, a bakery production worker, and to Naomi, a legal secretary. He received his Ph.D. in Consumer behaviour in 1990 from Stanford University, following a B.S. from Wayne State College in 1982 and an M.A. from Drake University in 1984.
He was a Business Administration Professor at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College (1990-1994), a Marketing Professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania (1995-1997), and a Marketing, Nutritional Science, Advertising, and Agricultural Economics Professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1997-2005) before moving to Cornell University (2005 to date). Wansink has also been a Visiting Professor at the Vrije Universiteit (Amsterdam) and Insead (Fountainbleau, France), and he was a Visiting Research Scientist at the U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center (Natick, MA) where he helped design ways to improve the acceptability and consumption of MREs (Meal, Ready-to-Eat) for the United States Army.
Wansink's USDA founded the Food and Brand Lab[4] in 1997 at the University of Illinois and the Consumer Education Foundation in 1999. In 2005 he moved both to Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. Since 2006, Wansink has written a monthly column on food behavior for MSNBC entitled Chew on This.[5] In July 2007, Wansink joined Prevention.com as one of their two nutrition columnists, writing the column Food Think with Wansink.[6]
On November 19, 2007, Wansink was granted a leave of absence from Cornell to accept the appointment as the fourth Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion. He serves with the Under Secretary for Food, Nutrition, and Consumer Services, Nancy Montanez Johner.
Works
A consumer psychologist, Wansink[7] is best known for his work on food psychology and eating behavior. He focuses on how the environment leads or even tricks people into buying and eating food in ways they are unaware. While some of these insights are directed toward responsible food manufacturers and marketers,[8] the majority are focused specifically at consumers and at the medical/nutrition community. Using a combination of lab studies and field studies, his research has used movie popcorn, refillable soup bowls, bartender glasses, candy dishes, Chinese buffets, and ice cream socials to show how various environment cues influence the food intake of unknowing consumers.[9] Although such environmental factors appear unrelated, Wansink has shown that they generally influence intake by inhibiting consumption monitoring and by suggesting alternative consumption norms.[10]
In contrast to focusing on the macro-food environment as being the cause of the American obesity problem, Wansink's work focuses on the intermediate micro-environment that he contends people can control -- their home and their daily habits. In counterpoint to social criticism of the obesigenic nature of our "foodscape," recent work has focused on the more promising changes that can be made in what Wansink refers to as the obesigenic nature of our "kitchenscapes" and "tablescapes."[11]
In examining the wider range of what is referred to as "mindless eating," Wansink has made contributions to three principal areas of food-related consumption: 1) consumption norms, 2) taste evaluation, and 3) food selection.
Consumption Norms
Consumption norms are influenced by the wide range of factors that can bias an unknowing person to eat or drink more than they otherwise would. For instance, the size of a serving bowl, a plate, or a package has repeatedly been shown to bias how much a person serves himself and eats by an average of 20-30%.[12] In addition, the perceived variety (color of candies) in an assortment and the proximity of candy on one’s desk has been shown to double how much a person eats over the course of a day.[13] Because people are estimated to make over 200 food-related decisions a day that they are unaware of making, the seemingly inconsequential impact of lighting, plate size, glass shape, music, companion, table arrangement, and dining companion can have a sizable impact on daily food intake.[14] Over the course of year, even a 200 calorie daily change in how much one eats would translate into a 20 pound loss in weight or a 20 pound gain in weight.
Taste Evaluation
The extent to which people enjoy food can be influenced by subtle environmental cues. The names of a food can create either positive or negative predispositions that can unfairly bias a person's perceived taste of a food. Wansink shows this is one reason why advertising or promoting a food as "healthy" unfairly biases people against the taste of a food.[15] Yet using names and visual cues to guide a person's expectations can also enhance their perceived taste of a food. In one study, simply labeling a food as being a Succulent Italian Seafood Filet lead restaurant goers to much more favorably rate the taste than when it was simply labeled Seafood Filet.[16] Similarly, the elegance of dishes and the garnishes on plates has been shown to influence a person’s taste ratings of a food.[17]
Food Selection
The food a person eats at a given time is related to sensory issues, but it is also related to how appropriate they perceive this food for that situation. People are more likely to adopt a food into a new situation (say, eating soup for breakfast) if they focus on the benefits of the food instead of on how it differs from prototypical breakfast foods.[18] [19] Food selection has also been linked to favorable
The Bottomless Bowl Principlepast memories of food. This has been suggested as to why men tend to claim their favorite comfort foods are meal-related foods, such as steak, pasta, and soup, while women prefer the more convenient foods, such as ice cream, chocolate, and cookies. For men, meal-related comfort foods evoke feelings of nurturing and attention. Yet for women they evoke memories of preparation and clean-up.[20]
Miscellaneous
Ig Noble Prize Recipient
Brian Wansink is a 2007 recipient of the Ig Nobel Prize in Nutrition. The Ig Noble prizes are a parody of the Nobel Prize and are awarded for achievements (or sometimes veiled criticisms thereof) that "first make people laugh, and then make them think." Wansink's award was issued for investigating people's appetite for mindless eating by secretly feeding them a self-refilling bowl of soup. It has come to be known as the Bottomless Bowl Principle.[8]
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Poor Goudy,
You are OVER 15 percent RIGHT NOW!
Post that pic!
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I can assure you i am not
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They wouldn't be allowed to overeat on a fish and rice diet either. I don't know if there are too many people who are obese on boiled fish and rice. Most of them are probably addicted to fat and sugar. I'm not an expert on obesety but I would think that getting them on a diet, where they could still have as much as possible of the foods they like, would make it easier.
yeah I guess I was saying that except for a very few fat people who are extremely motivated, they are hopeless.
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I'm not concerned with him listening, but the blatant lies and deceit are worth debunking.
I'm not sure what wavelengths profession is, but I assume from what I thought of his intellect he wouldn't subscribe to these fallacies.
I was not lying.
I didn't subscribe to anything.
I just tried a lot of different diet strategies.
This one came out the winner.
I think it's pretty fockin' crafty to use what works.
My profession is being a computer nerd.
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yeah I guess I was saying that except for a very few fat people who are extremely motivated, they are hopeless.
That maybe correct.
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That maybe correct.
the problem is we know that maintaining a calorie deficit will result in weight loss, and for us it is not that challenging to execute, but for the average obese person they will experience it as if they were starving (this goes for both their physical reactions and their thoughts which will obsessively center on food). This makes it very hard for them to stick to any type of diet.
Luckilly most BBers are fat only because of forced overeating as we tend to be ecto-meso types. So we don't suffer these same symptoms when we diet.
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TA is still posting crap again.... Copying it straight out of the internet and posting it here....
Blah blah blah....
Crap
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TA, why don't you discuss the science behind this without resorting to copy + pasting full articles?
Very weak method of debating this.
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First, Adonis Principles were "A Calorie is a claorie" and TA was all about the boards screaming
"I eat pizza all day!!" "I drink expensive wine!" "I eat burgers and McDonalds all day!!"
And now suddenly its about healthy food, fibrous food and an occasional burger.
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First, Adonis Principles were "A Calorie is a claorie" and TA was all about the boards screaming
"I eat pizza all day!!" "I drink expensive wine!" "I eat burgers and McDonalds all day!!"
And now suddenly its about healthy food, fibrous food and an occasional burger.
THATS HOW HE ROLLS..
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THATS HOW HE ROLLS..
A liar, twisting and turning until his version of the truth exists again.
Post that dealift vid, Adam!!
225x112 in under 4 minutes.
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A liar, twisting and turning until his version of the truth exists again.
Post that dealift vid, Adam!!
225x112 in under 4 minutes.
I think the lies are just for attention, here's a fitting quote:
"Sometimes the lies you tell are less frightening than the loneliness you might feel if you stopped telling them" - Brock Clarke
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I think the lies are just for attention, here's a fitting quote:
"Sometimes the lies you tell are less frightening than the loneliness you might feel if you stopped telling them" - Brock Clarke
fits 100%.
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First, Adonis Principles were "A Calorie is a claorie" and TA was all about the boards screaming
"I eat pizza all day!!" "I drink expensive wine!" "I eat burgers and McDonalds all day!!"
And now suddenly its about healthy food, fibrous food and an occasional burger.
Always heading in a new direction.
Where will this one take him?
Or better yet, where will this one take US?
8)
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Always heading in a new direction.
Where will this one take him?
Or better yet, where will this one take US?
8)
You know, a REAL man would have said:
Shit guys, i was WAY OFF. a calorie is not a calorie, instead i put some thinking into this and say that a healthy organic diet will help you to stay healthy, lean and oyu can still enjoy a pizza sometimes! Don't take nutrition too anal, that is my approach.
instead he tries to tell us that he meant it like this all the time...
Remember his NEW idea that milk protein after WO will lead to muscle growth? Oh really? ::)
TA is full of shit.
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Contrary to what many others will say, great stuff there adonis.
What you wrote in the last paragraph resembles scott abel's cycle diet and I can attest to it being the most effective way to gain weight (gain muscle weight that is)
That was written by Kelly Baggett
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TA, why don't you discuss the science behind this without resorting to copy + pasting full articles?
Very weak method of debating this.
You can't discuss on nothing here, this isn't a physics or philosophy forum thus he can't address "the science behind it" .
Give him a couple of pages and he will post more pictures of his sister or something as a distraction.
BTW where is that 5000 reps with 3000lbs deadlift video? It been like 3 years now LOL.
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Look this "principles" that he cut and paste merely go by eat less move more and then lose body fat.
Big deal.
He cuts out all the details and that's why he can't build any real muscle. The details to adding muscle are in the things he tells you aren't necessary.
And if you don't build muscle while you are getting lean?
"That impossible for a LIFETIME NATURAL!"
Well, it's impossible for a person using the "Adonis Principles"
Yes, you can get lean. No major breakthrough there.
But you will have an extrmemly difficult time build the most muscle you body can grow using his "short cuts" and painless methods.
And, no. It's NOT impossible like he trying to tell you boys just to justify his principles.
Don't become the BLOWHARD's SHEEP. Think for yourselves.
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TA, is full of shit, if you thinK you can eat this diet and get ripped, your an idiot.Plus to make matters worse, dont beleive you can drink Body Fotres protein and get ripped, this is the cheap ass protein they sell at Wal-Mart.The stuff is garbage.
They sell 2lbs of protein for like $12.We do contract manfacturing, so I know what protein costs to make.Body Fortess isnt a manufacture, they have is made for them.So Body Fortress, has to have it made for them, then they sell it to Wal-Mart.The protein exchanges hands 3 times by the time its hits the shelves.How good can protein be for 2lbs, for $12 after 3 diffrent companies all have to make a profit??????.You know they are all making a decent profit margin,otherwise they wouldnt be in buissness.
The diet is a bunch of B.S. no wonder TA, only enters Mr Getbig, he cant hang with the big boys on a real stage.
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I don't understand what is wrong with this diet as it is laid out/portrayed currently.
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Those would be all the Adonis Principles!
Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.
and
Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)
LOL.......and don't forget "a calorie is a calorie" hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!
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LOL.......and don't forget "a calorie is a calorie" hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!
A crime is a crime,every dog has his day,vote is a vote ,ect...u get it.
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Motor oil's motor oil.
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Quality...in Spain and Hungary it is legal to fuck 13 year olds.... :P
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Today i ate
12pm
Organic oat barley and whey weight gain shake
1.45pm
3 round, egg, ham, cheese, tomatoe, lettuce, mayonaisse sandich on brown bread
small chocolate bar
2xsmall tin of lucozade
3pm Training
Powerade drink water
6pm
4 sweet chilli chicken fajitas
bottle of coke
bar chocolate
This is what i had today. It is not perfect though not the worst diet in the world. Everytime i ate i was very hungry. Especially breakfast and after training. I wont waste my money and eat if i dont want it or feel like i need it.
Around 2800cals so far. I can assure you the bright package of the wrappers did not make me eatit. My hunger did. Also i am not above 15% adonis. I would estimate 13% max
I can assure you if i ate 2800 cals of cream buns and bacon i would feel awful. No carbs is no energy is no training.
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Adonis is all good and well for laughs but I hope the young lifters who are just learning about the sport do not take this seriously.
Make no mistake guys, the RDA for many nutrients are far far far far below OPTIMAL. They are enough to survive and avoid some of the diseases but much higher doses or many nutrients are highly beneficial. I take 20 times the RDA for vitamin C and far exceed the RDA for my Vitamin D intake; the latter is proven to reduce the risks of certain cancers.
Do not listen to this clown who pastes from 50 year old writings and claims to invent stuff. He didn't invent anything whatsoever...
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Adonis is all good and well for laughs but I hope the young lifters who are just learning about the sport do not take this seriously.
Make no mistake guys, the RDA for many nutrients are far far far far below OPTIMAL. They are enough to survive and avoid some of the diseases but much higher doses or many nutrients are highly beneficial. I take 20 times the RDA for vitamin C and far exceed the RDA for my Vitamin D intake; the latter is proven to reduce the risks of certain cancers.
Do not listen to this clown who pastes from 50 year old writings and claims to invent stuff. He didn't invent anything whatsoever...
great post!
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Adonis is all good and well for laughs but I hope the young lifters who are just learning about the sport do not take this seriously.
Make no mistake guys, the RDA for many nutrients are far far far far below OPTIMAL. They are enough to survive and avoid some of the diseases but much higher doses or many nutrients are highly beneficial. I take 20 times the RDA for vitamin C and far exceed the RDA for my Vitamin D intake; the latter is proven to reduce the risks of certain cancers.
Do not listen to this clown who pastes from 50 year old writings and claims to invent stuff. He didn't invent anything whatsoever...
Ditto and btw I take 3 gr. of c twice daily and have for years.
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TA diet is crap.... Thats the end of it
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TA diet is crap.... Thats the end of it
Well, that's another way of putting it. :)
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In Australia if TA mentioned this diet at the Pub he would be shown the door very quickly....Aussies would dont pity fools very well at all.
Blah Blah Blah Blah thats all I hear when he speaks..
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In Australia if TA mentioned this diet at the Pub he would be shown the door very quickly....Aussies would dont pity fools very well at all.
Blah Blah Blah Blah thats all I hear when he speaks..
Since when do the standard Aussie pub patrons talk about diets? ;D
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Well you had it there..... No One would talk about diets, EXPECT TA.... Because he is a dumbastard.
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Basic Principles:
- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb-1 gr/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.
- Strive for USRDA (you will meet or exceed the amounts most likely without any attention)
Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.
I abosolutely agree with you on this
a calorie is a calorie
I get about 120 grams of protein a day and I'm just doing fine
I eat what ever I want, non of that no carb bullshit
if you are eating 1000 calories of bread, or 1000 calories of peanut butter, it's the same at the end of the day calories are all that matters
and what do you think about people who "BULK"
I personally think they are idiots who don't know anything about how muscle is built
and people who say bodybuilding is 98% nutrition and 2% training can go to hell, its more like the opposite
you can't eat yourself a better body, but you can train yourself a better body
you know what you people need in your diets?
Iron
lift more iron
I'm different from other bodybuilders who "eat clean" "hey I eat clean for 3 days then have a "cheat day"" I feel like I need to slap them
do you say that your principles say cardio is bad and not effective?
I do not agree with that at all, two ways to lose fat"
eat less
move more
THAT SIMPLE
eating less= decrease in metabolism
moving more= increase in metabolism
but I don't think you should have told this to people, "a calorie is a calorie" is a secret amongs only the elite and you shouldn't give out elite secrets like that, specially to people who don't appreciate it, they should figure it out for themselves, that's how I did it, EXPERIENCE
let them go through the torture of eating their sugar less oatmeal while I enjoy my cake and chocolate milk ;D
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yo adonis how many calories a day do you eat a day?
2000-2500? im guessing?
eating 2000 calories a day would be worst than torture for me, I have tried and ate 1500 calories somedays and I could NOT function at all, when I got up, I almsot blacked out and very low energy etc (cycling calories, by the way what do you think about calorie cycling?)
there have been days where I have ate 15,000 calories (going from burger king to dairy queen to buying oreo cookies and washing it down with 3 liters of chocolate milk, 3 pounds of chocolate, a couple of large pizzas PLUS my regular meals)
and let me tell you guys, you feel like you are gonna die by the end of the day, with all that food in your body
on a regular day my body normally consumes min 3300-3700 calories with out me keeping track
I'm eating 3000 calories a day and I'm trying to get down to about 3% bodyfat in 12 weeks ;D
but it seems that 10% bodyfat is the magic barrier that I'm stuck at for now
mathematical laws of losing the last 10 pounds change when you are so low in bodyfat like I am
an obese person could lose 10 pounds of fat in 3 days while it's gonna take us months cuz the body holds on to every pound
you got a solution to breaking the magical 10% barrier? ;)
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Since when do the standard Aussie pub patrons talk about diets? ;D
Arnold Classic 2008
Arnold: how many hours a day did you train? :)
Dexter: an hour a day couple times a week :D
Arnold: an hour a day? :o what happened? we used to train 5-6 hours a day >:(
Dexter: now we have MuscleTech ;D
Arnold: you're saying that you got a bodylike this by just taking some PILLS? ;D ::) ::) ::)
Dexter: uhhhh :o :o :o :-\ :) Hydroxycut ;D
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I abosolutely agree with you on this
a calorie is a calorie
Yet, you say this...
I get about 120 grams of protein a day and I'm just doing fine
What you MEANT to say is that a calorie is a calorie when it relates to carbs/fats.
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Yet, you say this...
What you MEANT to say is that a calorie is a calorie when it relates to carbs/fats.
yes and no
people think they have to take in huge amounts of protein, it's ridiculously retarded
go ahead if you wanna waste your money
as long as you get about 100 grams a day you're fine, I'm 240 and I only get 130, lou ferrigno is 270 he gets 150 grams etc
1 pound of muscle has only 100 grams of protein, you can only build 1 pound of muscle a week in the GREATEST conditions
100 grams of extra protein a week is only 15 extra grams of protein a day not 400 extra grams ::)
as far as fat loss is concerned a calorie really is just a calorie
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yes and no
people think they have to take in huge amounts of protein, it's ridiculously retarded
go ahead if you wanna waste your money
as long as you get about 100 grams a day you're fine, I'm 240 and I only get 130, lou ferrigno is 270 he gets 150 grams etc
1 pound of muscle has only 100 grams of protein, you can only build 1 pound of muscle a week in the GREATEST conditions
100 grams of extra protein a week is only 15 extra grams of protein a day not 400 extra grams ::)
as far as fat loss is concerned a calorie really is just a calorie
A certain amount of calories must be in the form of protein to prevent muscle atrophy. Doesn't matter how many calories in the form of fats or carbs you're ingesting, the fact remains. Therefore a calorie truly isn't just a calorie in any diet if you want to maintain muscle mass.
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A certain amount of calories must be in the form of protein to prevent muscle atrophy. Doesn't matter how many calories in the form of fats or carbs you're ingesting, the fact remains. Therefore a calorie truly isn't just a calorie in any diet if you want to maintain muscle mass.
actually carbs and fats are more muscle sparring than proteins (FACT), an AVERAGE persons diet gets plenty of protein to "maintain muscle"
30 grams would be enough to maintain muscle
so yes a calorie really is just a calorie
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Haven't had time to read this whole thread but I'm guessing Adonis is owning the weaklings' minds as usual
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Haven't had time to read this whole thread but I'm guessing Adonis is owning the weaklings' minds as usual
since the MemberX Principles and Adonis principles are alot alike I am doing that for him ;)
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actually carbs and fats are more muscle sparring than proteins (FACT), an AVERAGE persons diet gets plenty of protein to "maintain muscle"
30 grams would be enough to maintain muscle
so yes a calorie really is just a calorie
I was talking about a bodybuilders diet, not an average person's. Fat won't build muscle, and carbs don't build it as much as protein. Try a diet with just carbs and fats and see how much muscle you retain after 12 weeks.
Regardless, a calorie is still not a calorie for any diet wanting to retain muscle mass, as some of that has to come from protein. 1g or 100g a day; it still differs in its functions to carbs and fats when relating to muscle mass.
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I was talking about a bodybuilders diet, not an average person's. Fat won't build muscle, and carbs don't build it as much as protein. Try a diet with just carbs and fats and see how much muscle you retain after 12 weeks.
Regardless, a calorie is still not a calorie for any diet wanting to retain muscle mass, as some of that has to come from protein. 1g or 100g a day; it still differs in its functions to carbs and fats when relating to muscle mass.
Here's a picture of the guy you are talking to......
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217467.0;attach=272412;image)
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Here's a picture of the guy you are talking to......
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217467.0;attach=272412;image)
HAHA AAH A<HA A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that AJSchaotic? HAHA AHA KLA AL JA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man... ;D
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HAHA AAH A<HA A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that AJSchaotic? HAHA AHA KLA AL JA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man... ;D
I just copied the picture he posted claiming it was him........ ;D
Quite the bottom boy twink, is he not?
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I talk and i back it up
bitches like Chaos talk and don't back their shit up
typical hypocrite ugly fat geek with no hair, and no girl likes him cuz he is ugly as fuck and he probably works at walmart
back up what you say BIG GUY ::)
I do but all you do is talk and yap and yap and yap
dog with no bite just alot of barking
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I just copied the picture he posted claiming it was him........ ;D
Quite the bottom boy twink, is he not?
Yup, he'll make quite the splash on the twink scene ;D
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LOL, looks like everyone remember ASJChaotics last attempt at getbig..... ;D
gayer than MemberX walking in a bar and saying "gimme a tequila meltdown, please"
barman says "how do I make that?"
MemberX says "you give me multiple shots at getbig and I suck"
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either back up what you say with pictures or shut the fuck up because you know I look way better than you
I get hit on by more girls in one day than you will in your entire life time hypocrite fag ::)
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So is eating 1000 calories from Twinkies the same as eating a 1000 calories of chicken
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So is eating 1000 calories from Twinkies the same as eating a 1000 calories of chicken
bro you are not getting the point of this :-\
as far as FATLOSS is concerned YES it's the same
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either back up what you say with pictures or shut the fuck up because you know I look way better than you
I get hit on by more girls in one day than you will in your entire life time hypocrite fag ::)
PWNED!!! ;D
gayer than MemberX walking in a bar and saying "gimme a tequila meltdown, please"
barman says "how do I make that?"
MemberX says "you give me multiple shots at getbig and I suck"
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how about you go back to the gayer than thread?
this is actually people with knowledge (something you don't have) giving other people information
Is it also about ponytails and looking like a neanderthal
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how about you go back to the gayer than thread?
this is actually people with knowledge (something you don't have) giving other people information
You just told a guy that 1000 calories from twinkies is the same as 1000 calories from chicken, you call that knowledge?
HAHAHAHHAHAAAA twink.
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yo adonis how many calories a day do you eat a day?
2000-2500? im guessing?
eating 2000 calories a day would be worst than torture for me, I have tried and ate 1500 calories somedays and I could NOT function at all, when I got up, I almsot blacked out and very low energy etc (cycling calories, by the way what do you think about calorie cycling?)
there have been days where I have ate 15,000 calories (going from burger king to dairy queen to buying oreo cookies and washing it down with 3 liters of chocolate milk, 3 pounds of chocolate, a couple of large pizzas PLUS my regular meals)
and let me tell you guys, you feel like you are gonna die by the end of the day, with all that food in your body
Try eating non refined sugars and replace them with complex carbs, you'll perform much better.
But alas, you're clinically retarded.
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I'm not really into sweets that much I can easily go without them, but I do enjoy drinking some soda every so often such as Pepsi or Mt. Dew. As far as I understand it is ok to drink some as long as it's not a lot that will send you calories over deficiency. So can I drink the occasional soft drink while following the Adonis principles? And don't suggest I drink diet soda because that shit is nasty! I would much rather drink water.
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How many shits should I take a day according to the Adonis Principles?
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How many shits should I take a day according to the Adonis Principles?
LOL!
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How many shits should I take a day according to the Adonis Principles?
You can shit whatever and whenever you want.
Poopoo timing is a myth. :D