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It's going to be ugly
The Israeli Air Force on Saturday launched a massive attack on Hamas targets throughout Gaza in retaliation for the recent heavy rocket fire from the area, hitting mostly security headquarters, training compounds and weapons storage facilities, the Israeli military and witnesses said.
Dr. Muawiya Hassanein, the head of emergency services at the Gaza Ministry of Health, said at least 140 Palestinians were killed in the raid.
Most were members of the security forces of Hamas, the Islamic group that controls Gaza, civilians were also among the dead, including children.
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Its not like the crazy muslims = innocent either.
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minorities have rights
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minorities have rights
Yes, they have the obligation to stfu and obey the white man and the jews.
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Yes, they have the obligation to stfu and obey the white man and the jews.
haha
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The retardation continues, both sides are fucked in the head, fighting to the death for a piece of fucking dessert. Idiots.
They're already both living there, why not just STFU and live in peace and harmony, fuck.
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israel... palestine..
it doesnt really matter
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"Yes, they have the obligation to stfu and obey the white man and the jews."...
Another inferior pale skinned cave dwelling, micro-phallic peckerwood reveals his inability to accept the fact that Jay Cutler lost this year, hurling hissy fit insults from behind the ramparts of cyber-anonimity. Now obey your genetic superior ans STFU!
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fuk israel..
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"Yes, they have the obligation to stfu and obey the white man and the jews."...
Another inferior pale skinned cave dwelling, micro-phallic peckerwood reveals his inability to accept the fact that Jay Cutler lost this year, hurling hissy fit insults from behind the ramparts of cyber-anonimity. Now obey your genetic superior ans STFU!
You make wild assumptions. Debussey does not give a shit about which thong-wearing man that won.
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hahaha fucking hamas got owned
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Its not like the crazy muslims = innocent either.
No, but I'm sure the standard ratio of 3/4 dead Arabs to 1 dead Israeli will hold. :-X
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They should bomb africa and get rid of the aids.
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No, but I'm sure the standard ratio of 3/4 dead Arabs to 1 dead Israeli will hold. :-X
It's actually 8 to 1....
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It's actually 8 to 1....
Seems high. Source?
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The US should sent more coffins to Israel, the jews will be driven into the sea this time.
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israel is the main source of contempt in the modern world,,,,,,, all the recent troubles all point back at israel!!!!
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You make wild assumptions. Debussey does not give a shit about which thong-wearing man that won.
Easy Debussey. "Darqmage" inspired my D&D thread.
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israel rocks!
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minorities have rights
bingo but you better watch out, you're going to get all the pro-Israel republican rednecks telling you that the jews are "protecting themselves from another holocaust" ::)
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bingo but you better watch out, you're going to get all the pro-Israel republican rednecks telling you that the jews are "protecting themselves from another holocaust" ::)
They have the right to protect themselves from attacks from these animals. Would you be bitching if some third world animals started hurling rockets into your trailer park and the USA retaliated? Hmmmmm...I don't think so.
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They have the right to protect themselves from attacks from these animals. Would you be bitching if some third world animals started hurling rockets into your trailer park and the USA retaliated? Hmmmmm...I don't think so.
yes because those 5-6 year okd Palestinian children are SO DANGEROUS. :D
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Israel are our last hope. these are the only guys with the fucking balls to level that whole region with a few nukes. we should just wipe out the muslims, exterminate the whole lot and take that fucking shithole region out of the dark ages.
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yes because those 5-6 year okd Palestinian children are SO DANGEROUS. :D
but they have stones :o :o
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yes because those 5-6 year okd Palestinian children are SO DANGEROUS. :D
You're being disingenuous. The Palestinians are the ones to blame for the collateral damage. They intentionally put their high risk targets in neighborhoods like that to engender sympathy from the rest of the animals in that shit house known as the "middle east." And if the Palestinians would stop killing Israeli civilians in their terrorist attacks then Irael would have no reason to realiate in the first place.
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You're being disingenuous. The Palestinians are the ones to blame for the collateral damage. They intentionally put their high risk targets in neighborhoods like that to engender sympathy from the rest of the animals in that shit house known as the "middle east." And if the Palestinians would stop killing Israeli civilians in their terrorist attacks then Irael would have no reason to realiate in the first place.
hahahaha, ok Sean Hannity, how much Fox News do you watch in a typical day?
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hahahaha, ok Sean Hannity, how much Fox News do you watch in a typical day?
lol..actually i hate faux news. Seriously though, put yourself in Israel's place. Do you just sit there and take it?
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quackerowned probably doesn't run into many jewish people in his shithole trailer park. just stinking muslims ashamed of their muslim surnames and white trash.
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lol..actually i hate faux news. Seriously though, put yourself in Israel's place. Do you just sit there and take it?
there's nothing to "take" Israel is the bully on the block and attacks whoever it wants with impunity with the good 'ol USA's backing.
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You're being disingenuous. The Palestinians are the ones to blame for the collateral damage. They intentionally put their high risk targets in neighborhoods like that to engender sympathy from the rest of the animals in that shit house known as the "middle east." And if the Palestinians would stop killing Israeli civilians in their terrorist attacks then Irael would have no reason to realiate in the first place.
they took their country, would you expect them to sit back on the sideline?
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shutup mirz, take your Arab name and arab sympathises back out to your terrorist relatives.
is it that hard to trade a trailerpark with a mudhut?
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You're being disingenuous. The Palestinians are the ones to blame for the collateral damage. They intentionally put their high risk targets in neighborhoods like that to engender sympathy from the rest of the animals in that shit house known as the "middle east." And if the Palestinians would stop killing Israeli civilians in their terrorist attacks then Irael would have no reason to realiate in the first place.
How about if the Israeli's give Palestine their stolen land back? or would that be asking too much?
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stolen?
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The retardation continues, both sides are fucked in the head, fighting to the death for a piece of fucking dessert. Idiots.
They're already both living there, why not just STFU and live in peace and harmony, fuck.
I read a good news paper article about this subject, it said how those people almost think it as a game and how they are conditioned for the situation so much they are used to the fear and stress. It made a lot of sense.
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stolen?
I guess you missed 1945 and the united (israeli) nations ?
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No, but I'm sure the standard ratio of 3/4 dead Arabs to 1 dead Israeli will hold. :-X
Do you mean 0,75 arab to 1 Israeli, or 3-4 arabs to one israeli?
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jews are deeply intelligent people. arabs are like walking lumps of shit. they smell bad and subscribe to a religion that makes the dark ages look advanced.
jews should kill them all and protect the world. arabs do nothing for this planet but make it stink of camelshit and unwashed ass.
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these jews need to pay for their crimes. especially the greedy ones in the banking industry who drove the usa economy into the ground
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jews are deeply intelligent people. arabs are like walking lumps of shit. they smell bad and subscribe to a religion that makes the dark ages look advanced.
jews should kill them all and protect the world. arabs do nothing for this planet but make it stink of camelshit and unwashed ass.
your not very advanced yourself obviously.
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jews are deeply intelligent people. arabs are like walking lumps of shit. they smell bad and subscribe to a religion that makes the dark ages look advanced.
jews should kill them all and protect the world. arabs do nothing for this planet but make it stink of camelshit and unwashed ass.
Yes!
The reality is: less than 20 million jews has done thousands of times more the last 100-200 years to progress science and general economic growth, than 1,4 billion shithole muslims has been able to do in the same time span. These muslims are also causing shit wherever they go. In Norway, 33% of inmates in jail = muslims, even though the muslims = ony about 2-3% of the population. 3/4 ths of rapes = also commited by the brown man in the same country, and most of them = muslims as well. Their stupidity-infested dogma and disgusting culture = keeps them in the stone age.
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Any excuse to thin out the muslims is a good one.
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I guess you missed 1945 and the united (israeli) nations ?
lol...are you being serious?
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Damn Swede. . . . how old is this girl?!. . . . . no. . . . wait, I don't want to know!! :D
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Yes!
The reality is: less than 20 million jews has done thousands of times more the last 100-200 years to progress science and general economic growth, than 1,4 billion shithole muslims has been able to do in the same time span. These muslims are also causing shit wherever they go. In Norway, 33% of inmates in jail = muslims, even though the muslims = ony about 2-3% of the population. 3/4 ths of rapes = also commited by the brown man in the same country, and most of them = muslims as well. Their stupidity-infested dogma and disgusting culture = keeps them in the stone age.
totally agree. i actually think going after the jews has been the biggest mistake of all the racists.
arabs and muslims are trying to drag mankind back into the sea with their barbaric and prehistoric ways and culture. none of these fucks have done shit. even the blacks have done much in the field of sport. arabs and muslims have done fuck all. how many win olympic golds, nobel prizes, run big businesses?
they are just scum , dirty and smelly losers who happened to pitch their shitty tents on oil rich land
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Damn Swede. . . . how old is this girl?!. . . . . no. . . . wait, I don't want to know!! :D
lets say atlest 18 ;D
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totally agree. i actually think going after the jews has been the biggest mistake of all the racists.
arabs and muslims are trying to drag mankind back into the sea with their barbaric and prehistoric ways and culture. none of these fucks have done shit. even the blacks have done much in the field of sport. arabs and muslims have done fuck all. how many win olympic golds, nobel prizes, run big businesses?
they are just scum , dirty and smelly losers who happened to pitch their shitty tents on oil rich land
and you talk about racist people ::)
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and you talk about racist people ::)
surprised you can type with fat dave's giant ass in your mouth ::)
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Taken from Wikipedia entry for Israel:
"After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[8] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[9] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. "
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The retardation continues, both sides are fucked in the head, fighting to the death for a piece of fucking dessert. Idiots.
They're already both living there, why not just STFU and live in peace and harmony, fuck.
Exactly. Both sides = retarded
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and you talk about racist people ::)
That's just facts you fucking moron, facts that clearly defines them as a group.
And most definitions of racism requires negative judgements against a "race". Muslims = idiots following a belief system, not a "race", so technically this = not racism. And even if it were, then Debussey would love to be called racist, because if being "politically correct" means closing ones eyes towards reality just to stay true to a flawed belief system, then so be it. We all saw what happened in the UK during "black wednesday" when Norman Lamot thought he could override the reality of the market with his flawed beliefs.
Btw, many definitions of racism = outdated anyway. LIke this one: "the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races". Newer studies = starting to show that races = not equal, and that in different areas, different races might be superior compared to others. So, reality seems to have an issue with the definition.
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The day when organized religion disappears from the face of the earth will be a glorious one. Both sides have their points and both sides are retarded in a lot of the things they do. They should just pull out every Jew and Arab with an IQ over 130 from the middle east and flatten the rest.
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The day when organized religion disappears from the face of the earth will be a glorious one. Both sides have their points and both sides are retarded in a lot of the things they do. They should just pull out every Jew and Arab with an IQ over 130 from the middle east and flatten the rest.
That should be a pretty easy job ;D
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That's just facts you fucking moron, facts that clearly defines them as a group.
And most definitions of racism requires negative judgements against a "race". Muslims = idiots following a belief system, not a "race", so technically this = not racism. And even if it were, then Debussey would love to be called racist, because if being "politically correct" means closing ones eyes towards reality just to stay true to a flawed belief system, then so be it. We all saw what happened in the UK during "black wednesday" when Norman Lamot thought he could override the reality of the market with his flawed beliefs.
Btw, many definitions of racism = outdated anyway. LIke this one: "the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races". Newer studies = starting to show that races = not equal, and that in different areas, different races = superior. So, reality seems to have an issue with the definition.
Yes, just like Asians and white have higher IQ's on average than the blacks...yet the blacks can jump higher and run faster on average. Why do people act offended by these facts?
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That should be a pretty easy job ;D
Hahaha, 100:1 Jew to Arab ratio? :o
Yes, just like Asians and white have higher IQ's on average than the blacks...yet the blacks can jump higher and run faster on average. Why do people act offended by these facts?
Most humans are insecure fucks who can't deal with facts. Look at the penis thread for evidence of this.
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The day when organized religion disappears from the face of the earth will be a glorious one. Both sides have their points and both sides are retarded in a lot of the things they do. They should just pull out every Jew and Arab with an IQ over 130 from the middle east and flatten the rest.
I agree.....that day, there will really be hope for mankind. Don't hold your breath....
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Taken from Wikipedia entry for Israel:
"After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[8] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[9] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. "
Epic booboo.
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Yes, just like Asians and white have higher IQ's on average than the blacks...yet the blacks can jump higher and run faster on average. Why do people act offended by these facts?
Because their belief systems = based on a mentally constructed utopia of egalitarity.
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I agree.....that day, there will really be hope for mankind. Don't hold your breath....
I'm not. I reckon the retards that comprise the majority of humanity will succeed in killing the rest before that happens.
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Most humans are insecure fucks who can't deal with facts. Look at the penis thread for evidence of this.
Isn't it funny that you would never hear someone black being "offended" by someone saying they on average they have larger penises, but if you stated the FACT that on average they have lower IQ's, they would describe the test as biased...hahaha, whatever. Everybody needs to get over themselves. We all have flaws and strengths (except bluto.) ;D
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Isn't it funny that you would never hear someone black being "offended" by someone saying they on average they have larger penises, but if you stated the FACT that on average they have lower IQ's, they would describe the test as biased...hahaha, whatever. Everybody needs to get over themselves. We all have flaws and strengths (except bluto.) ;D
wrong, bluto's blowjob skills are unparalleled. :D
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wrong, bluto's blowjob skills are unparalleled. :D
hahaha, yes QO. I think he is out honing his skills as we speak. I forgot about his incredible feats of strength performed on a penis. hahaah
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hahaha, yes QO. I think he is out honing his skills as we speak. I forgot about his incredible feats of strength performed on a penis. hahaah
hahahha, absolutely, bluto is a master of the slobber blues on the skin flute.
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wrong, bluto's blowjob skills are unparalleled. :D
Hahaha!!
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I'm not. I reckon the retards that comprise the majority of humanity will succeed in killing the rest before that happens.
Debussey disagrees. The notion of "strength in numbers" = getting weaker as we speak, while intelligence = becoming the prime factor of power, as the ability to leverage technology for nerds will increase like crazy.
Things have a way of working themselves out, and for a number of reasons, Debussey thinks that the majority of moronity humanity will lose more and more power (until/unless humanity becomes capable of "upgrading" itself with genetic engineering and such). And as we know, humans have a tendency to gather around the average, with a small minority deviating a lot from the average. We see a lot of this today as well, the people with real power are few and usually born with greatness, or having in some way developed a character/work ethic required for greatness.
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The day when organized religion disappears from the face of the earth will be a glorious one.
No argument there
Kill 'em all and let their gods sort 'em out
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dirty jews will get what they deserve >:(
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. none of these fucks have done shit. even the blacks have done much in the field of sport. arabs and muslims have done fuck all. how many win olympic golds, nobel prizes, run big businesses?
they are just scum , dirty and smelly losers who happened to pitch their shitty tents on oil rich land
How about these Muslims -Arab inventions ,you ignorant POS.
-Pin hole camera
-Chess
-parachute
-Shampoo
-Refinement
-shaft
-metal armor
-pointed arch
-surgery
-windmill
-vaccination
-fountain pen
-numerical numbering
-carpets
-pay checks
-rockets and torpedos
-gardens
etc..................
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How about these Muslims -Arab inventions ,you ignorant POS.
-Pin hole camera
-Chess
-parachute
-Shampoo
-Refinement
-shaft
-metal armor
-pointed arch
-surgery
-windmill
-vaccination
-fountain pen
-numerical numbering
-carpets
-pay checks
-rockets and torpedos
-gardens
etc..................
I call bullshit!! this is clearly a jewish invention!!!
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Isn't it funny that you would never hear someone black being "offended" by someone saying they on average they have larger penises, but if you stated the FACT that on average they have lower IQ's, they would describe the test as biased...hahaha, whatever. Everybody needs to get over themselves. We all have flaws and strengths (except bluto.) ;D
good point...very true...
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How about these Muslims -Arab inventions ,you ignorant POS.
-Pin hole camera
-Chess
-parachute
-Shampoo
-Refinement
-shaft
-metal armor
-pointed arch
-surgery
-windmill
-vaccination
-fountain pen
-numerical numbering
-carpets
-pay checks
-rockets and torpedos
-gardens
etc..................
I didn't bother checking every "invention" of yours but most scholars agree that chess originated in either India or China, and not the middle east. ::)
The person controlling the Samson123 gimmick is notorious for claiming inventions for his "people".
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I doubt they invented shampoo as well.....next thing you know, you'll tell me they also invented deodorant, but choose not to use it. :-\
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I doubt they invented shampoo as well.....next thing you know, you'll tell me they also invented deodorant, but choose not to use it. :-\
Hahahahah!!!
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I doubt they invented shampoo as well.....next thing you know, you'll tell me they also invented deodorant, but choose not to use it. :-\
lol ;D
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I didn't bother checking every "invention" of yours but most scholars agree that chess originated in either India or China, and not the middle east. ::)
The person controlling the Samson123 gimmick is notorious for claiming inventions for his "people".
Originated in India but perfected by Muslims :D
Chess originated in India during the Gupta empire,[12] where its early form in the 6th century was known as caturaṅga, which translates as "four divisions [of the military]" – infantry, cavalry, elephants, and chariotry, represented by the pieces that would evolve into the modern pawn, knight, bishop, and rook, respectively. In Sassanid Persia around 600 the name became shatranj and the rules were developed further. Shatranj was taken up by the Muslim world after the Islamic conquest of Persia, with the pieces largely retaining their Persian names. In Spanish "shatranj" was rendered as ajedrez, in Portuguese as xadrez[13], and in Greek as zatrikion, but in the rest of Europe it was replaced by versions of the Persian shāh ("king"), which was familiar as an exclamation and became our words "check and chess". Murray[12] theorized that this change happened from Muslim traders coming to European seaports with ornamental chess kings as curios before they brought the game of chess.
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I doubt they invented shampoo as well.....next thing you know, you'll tell me they also invented deodorant, but choose not to use it. :-\
More copy and paste :)
Soap, Shampoo, Cleanliness and Cosmetics
The medieval times, was known for its lack of cleanliness and hygiene, leading to illnesses and diseases, and one of the Crusaders most striking characteristics were that they didn’t wash.
Only a few Muslims, as early as the 7th century, had developed a sophisticated and hygienic way of life, and methods to keep themselves clean and away from diseases. In Islam, cleanliness is considered as half of a Muslims relegion. This was motivation for Muslims, also the fact that not keeping clean led to diseases and bad health.
The greatest thing done for cleanliness by Muslims, is probably the invention of soap. The credit for this goes to Muslim chemists. Before the invention of soap, people used oils to clean themselves, but all people didn’t have these oils.
Soap was made by mixing oil (usually olive oil) with al-qali (a salt like substance). This was then boiled to achieve the right mix, and left to harden, before used in homes and public baths.
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i guess no one here remembers 9/11 and who was responsible for that. israel fights back against terrorism. they don't fuck around. if you start shit, then prepare for a war. every free country should have the same mentality.
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i guess no one here remembers 9/11 and who was responsible for that. israel fights back against terrorism. they don't fuck around. if you start shit, then prepare for a war. every free country should have the same mentality.
What, you mean the bush administration ? or the cia ?
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What, you mean the bush administration ? or the cia ?
the people who flew the planes in the buidling.
that wasnt bush or the CIA.
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Well, that cartoon proved that, similar to other religions, Muslims have zero* sense of humour. :-X
*zero being a indian concept, not a muslim one
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the people who flew the planes in the buidling.
that wasnt bush or the CIA.
dream on son.
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They have the right to protect themselves from attacks from these animals. Would you be bitching if some third world animals started hurling rockets into your trailer park and the USA retaliated? Hmmmmm...I don't think so.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
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They have been lobbing rockets at Israel for weeks.
What would you do is Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets at Texas or New York???
Additionally, the muslims are cowards and hide amongst women and children is violation of the Geneva conventions.
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It's going to be ugly
The Israeli Air Force on Saturday launched a massive attack on Hamas targets throughout Gaza in retaliation for the recent heavy rocket fire from the area, hitting mostly security headquarters, training compounds and weapons storage facilities, the Israeli military and witnesses said.
Dr. Muawiya Hassanein, the head of emergency services at the Gaza Ministry of Health, said at least 140 Palestinians were killed in the raid.
Most were members of the security forces of Hamas, the Islamic group that controls Gaza, civilians were also among the dead, including children.
LOL you will believe anything won't you?
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They have been lobbing rockets at Israel for weeks.
What would you do is Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets at Texas or New York???
Additionally, the muslims are cowards and hide amongst women and children is violation of the Geneva conventions.
I wouldn't go that far, what they are is outnumbered, don't have the arms and weapons israel does, and are not allied with the united states like israel is, oh and additionally isn't israel still receiving 10 billion dollars a year from Germany for reparations ?!! what a bunch of fucking whiners.
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They have been lobbing rockets at Israel for weeks.
What would you do is Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets at Texas or New York???
Additionally, the muslims are cowards and hide amongst women and children is violation of the Geneva conventions.
For 8 years.
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You're being disingenuous. The Palestinians are the ones to blame for the collateral damage. They intentionally put their high risk targets in neighborhoods like that to engender sympathy from the rest of the animals in that shit house known as the "middle east." And if the Palestinians would stop killing Israeli civilians in their terrorist attacks then Irael would have no reason to realiate in the first place.
its easy to talk like that from within your comfortable chair but your not the one being humiliated all day by people who took away your land and future perspective.
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Most were members of the security forces of Hamas, the Islamic group that controls Gaza, civilians were also among the dead, including children.
3,000 rockets fired into Israel this year. Last two weeks, hundreds more. Each day, the gov of Israel warns Hamas in Gaza that if this continues, they will fire back. Each day, more rockets are fired on. Again, restraint, and the most severe warning ever, going on Arabic television to please to stop so Israel wont fire back. Another deffuse of rockets into Israel. Enough was enough.
Hamas wants no peace, only the destruction on Israel. When people realize that simple fact, you cannot have peace. Hamas has to go, and a moderate Palestinian gov who really wants to see their children grow up in peace needs to come.
When you hide your rocket launchers and ammunitions in schools, and neighborhoods, do you really care about your own people.
its easy to talk like that from within your comfortable chair but your not the one being humiliated all day by people who took away your land and future perspective.
Yes, since King David ruled the land 2,000, it has been taken away from the Jews. Same arguement. Please remember that it was Egypt and Jordan which prevented a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank betweem 1948 and 1967, when Israel fought another war to defend themselves.
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One giant nuke on both of them should do the trick. It's tiring listening to both sides piss and moan while they fuck each other around.
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3,000 rockets fired into Israel this year. Last two weeks, hundreds more. Each day, the gov of Israel warns Hamas in Gaza that if this continues, they will fire back. Each day, more rockets are fired on. Again, restraint, and the most severe warning ever, going on Arabic television to please to stop so Israel wont fire back. Another deffuse of rockets into Israel. Enough was enough.
Hamas wants no peace, only the destruction on Israel. When people realize that simple fact, you cannot have peace. Hamas has to go, and a moderate Palestinian gov who really wants to see their children grow up in peace needs to come.
When you hide your rocket launchers and ammunitions in schools, and neighborhoods, do you really care about your own people.
Yes, since King David ruled the land 2,000, it has been taken away from the Jews. Same arguement. Please remember that it was Egypt and Jordan which prevented a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank betweem 1948 and 1967, when Israel fought another war to defend themselves.
Ron you talk as though this is Israel's land. It is not, it is a terrorist state of Israel that was given to them by the UN and stolen from the Muslims.
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One giant nuke on both of them should do the trick. It's tiring listening to both sides piss and moan while they fuck each other around.
I agree, nuke that whole fucking area and turn it into a vacation resort by 2050 ;)
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I agree, nuke that whole fucking area and turn it into a vacation resort by 2050 ;)
that area cannot be nuked, it is the Muslims sacred ground, only to be bleached with the blood of jews.
jt
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they didn't invent chess and if they invented shampoo they didn't invent using shampoo not to smell disgusting. they probably invented it lubricate goats or something.
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Not caring. Let them blow each other to Hell and back for all I care.
Either way I'll sleep just fine.
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One giant nuke on both of them should do the trick. It's tiring listening to both sides piss and moan while they fuck each other around.
Remember that 90% of the Palestinians want peace, and to hell with Hamas. It is just that if they say that, they are labeled collaborators, and get killed.
Ron you talk as though this is Israel's land. It is not, it is a terrorist state of Israel that was given to them by the UN and stolen from the Muslims.
What are you talking about? UN? That started in 1945. Stolen from the Muslims - your propergando is just as bad as others. The nation of Israel was there 2,000 years ago. Muslims were not even around until way after that. In your thinking, everyone should just leave the United States and give it back to the Indians. Or everyone should just leave Mexico, and give it back too. Hey, get out of Australia too, after all, 200 years ago, England invaded it, right.
Get real, and learn history, not just in the last 70 years or so.
Get it through the heads that Israel is there, will stay there, and the only option is peace. Simple as that.
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I try desperately to understand why Israel did this.
If they want to take down certain Hamas leaders, then why don't they bring in special troops in order to hit Hamas hideouts and even possibly arrest a few of them and put on trial.
Instead of bombing which only helps Hamas get support and stay in power.
I just don't get it.
Israel acts like they WANT Hamas to remain a key player.
But Hamas is a terrorist extremist organisation, funded by Saudi oil money.
The Israelis needs to find a way to put Hamas out of business.
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I wouldn't go that far, what they are is outnumbered, don't have the arms and weapons israel does, and are not allied with the united states like israel is, oh and additionally isn't israel still receiving 10 billion dollars a year from Germany for reparations ?!! what a bunch of fucking whiners.
Aren't you supposed to take gay pictures of yourself with guns and post them here?
Get back to that, you are more successful with being gay than knowing shit about global politics.
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Muslims were not even around until way after that.
yeah no ones land huh? where did i heared that argument before ::)
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how is hamas a terrorist organization? and how is israel not? the gaza strip is a prison camp and hamas is democratically elected.
Nice gimmick loser, get a life and a clue, you seem to miss both.
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ironic coming from one of the stupidest most clueless posters on the board, go watch some more of the jewtube moron.
Sure mr.gimmick, go explode yourself while trying to make a bomb.
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Sure mr.gimmick, go explode yourself while trying to make a bomb.
Hey buddy, what are you doing for New Year's?
I had a pretty good weekend. Kinda quiet. Went shot a little pool.
Gimme a text sometime. We'll go have a beer.
Later, bro.
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Hey buddy, what are you doing for New Year's?
I had a pretty good weekend. Kinda quiet. Went shot a little pool.
Gimme a text sometime. We'll go have a beer.
Later, bro.
PM David Duke I heard he like to get poke from behind.
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gayer than the annual holocaust rememberance day.
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do they have that in your country mars??
and i thought going to jail for questioning anything regarding the official story of the 'holocaust' was bad.
jewish monopoly on ww2 sympathy needs to end, white europeans went through much more suffering.
not to mention the holocaust on 10s of millions of whites at the hands of the jewish in the jewssr.
Look at that girl with the David Dukes on.
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do they have that in your country mars??
and i thought going to jail for questioning anything regarding the official story of the 'holocaust' was bad.
jewish monopoly on ww2 sympathy needs to end, white europeans went through much more suffering.
not to mention the holocaust on 10s of millions of whites at the hands of the jewish in the jewssr.
No offence, but why are you hijacking this good thread with BS like that?
Let's stick to the topic at hand, instead of making this about some 'Jewish' conspiracy.
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Ron can you out this gimmick or delete him?
He is really useless , probably some regular poser retarded alter ego.
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ron will toss me in the gulag soon enough, dont worry your stupid mind over it.
Another internet warrior.... ::)
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PM me I love to get poke from behind.
fixed.
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They have never accepted the existence of Israel. They teach hateful, racist propaganda to school kids ensuring the next generation keeps up the slaughter. They have launched hundreds of rockets during a "cease fire" which now has lapsed. The Israelis kept weapons tight until the official "cease fire" ended.
The Palestinians have murdered innocents wholesale and threatened to push all the Israelis into the sea and claim all the land. They have spent countless billions of other peoples dollars to train terrorists and let their own people starve. they are reprehensible and only marginally civilized. They can learn to live like decent human beings or they can die and be stacked like cord wood.
RUBBLE DOESN'T MAKE TROUBLE!!!!!!!
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They have never accepted the existence of Israel. They teach hateful, racist propaganda to school kids ensuring the next generation keeps up the slaughter. They have launched hundreds of rockets during a "cease fire" which now has lapsed. The Israelis kept weapons tight until the official "cease fire" ended.
The Palestinians have murdered innocents wholesale and threatened to push all the Israelis into the sea and claim all the land. They have spent countless billions of other peoples dollars to train terrorists and let their own people starve. they are reprehensible and only marginally civilized. They can learn to live like decent human beings or they can die and be stacked like cord wood.
RUBBLE DOESN'T MAKE TROUBLE!!!!!!!
you're going to be late for Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh if you keep posting on here.
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They have never accepted the existence of Israel. They teach hateful, racist propaganda to school kids ensuring the next generation keeps up the slaughter. They have launched hundreds of rockets during a "cease fire" which now has lapsed. The Israelis kept weapons tight until the official "cease fire" ended.
The Palestinians have murdered innocents wholesale and threatened to push all the Israelis into the sea and claim all the land. They have spent countless billions of other peoples dollars to train terrorists and let their own people starve. they are reprehensible and only marginally civilized. They can learn to live like decent human beings or they can die and be stacked like cord wood.
RUBBLE DOESN'T MAKE TROUBLE!!!!!!!
zionist pig.
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It's going to be ugly
civilians were also among the dead, including children.
Just like in those car bombs which Palestinians like to plant in Israel. Or among of victims of Palestinian suicide bombers all around middle east and Israel. There isn't innocent party in that war, because Palestinians teach their children to kill Jews, and Jews teach their children's to fight back. Still, just for understanding the situation, think about this: In Palestine, some of the suicide bombers has been 12 - 14 years old kids. In Israel, there has been none, they use their military forces. Which party has better moral on this matter? Palestinians use their children's for weapons of terrorism, and you approve that, while mocking Israels and Jews, who just try to maintain peace in their own country by kicking hamas out of the map.
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you think they can handle the isrealis with stones "greatfin"?
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The fact is that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions.
That is: The will of the REST OF THE WORLD, not some CNN or ABC report on the matter (well, with the US abstaining of course).
I am PISSED 5 billion of our tax dollars are spent on Israel. FUCKING PISSED!!!
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The fact is that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions.
That is: The will of the REST OF THE WORLD, not some CNN or ABC report on the matter (well, with the US abstaining of course).
I am PISSED 5 billion of our tax dollars are spent on Israel. FUCKING PISSED!!!
LOL, so many countries have the UN ordering them this and that, the UN is BS, they like to talk and can't do shit.
I guess if the UN vote that the US should return the land to the Indians than that's all good... ::)
How about the agreement with Hamas not to shot missiles in the cease fire and then be recognize as a legitimate party?
You are a moron, seriously. Get a clue.
BTW send my kisses to Yasser Arafat wife with all the billions she stole from you and her people, now the Hamas is doing the same.
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The fact is that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions.
That is: The will of the REST OF THE WORLD, not some CNN or ABC report on the matter (well, with the US abstaining of course).
I am PISSED 5 billion of our tax dollars are spent on Israel. FUCKING PISSED!!!
5 billion? At least they put it to use. We've given how many billions to Pakistan, the rest of the Middle East, countless countries in Africa and South America and what's become of it? Went right into the pockets of those corrupt douche bags. We gave Pakistan billions to build their army and most of it is now unaccounted for, probably being used to fund attacks against us.
LOL, so many countries have the UN ordering them this and that, the UN is BS, they like to talk and can't do shit.
I guess if the UN vote that the US should return the land to the Indians than that's all good... ::)
How about the agreement with Hamas not to shot missiles in the cease fire and then be recognize as a legitimate party?
You are a moron, seriously. Get a clue.
BTW send my kisses to Yasser Arafat wife with all the billions she stole from you and her people, now the Hamas is doing the same.
I find it funny how the rest of the Muslim world absolutely despises the Palestinians to boot.
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I find it funny how the rest of the Muslim world absolutely despises the Palestinians to boot.
Because they know them, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan .
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LOL, so many countries have the UN ordering them this and that, the UN is BS, they like to talk and can't do shit.
I guess if the UN vote that the US should return the land to the Indians than that's all good... ::)
No, no one is saying that. But you do have to realise that outside of the US people DO look at the UN as a beacon of neutrality.
How about the agreement with Hamas not to shot missiles in the cease fire and then be recognize as a legitimate party?
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the Sisters of the Poor, but the Palestinian people DID give them democratic legitimacy, and since, for the UN, legitimate power emanates from the people (here in the US too remember?) it makes perfect sense that the UN would try to give them the necessary INTERNATIONAL legitimacy while indirectly "forcing" them to become a democratic entity.
You are a moron, seriously. Get a clue.
Is everyone who doesn't agree with you a "moron"? You must be a "difficult" human being.
BTW send my kisses to Yasser Arafat wife with all the billions she stole from you and her people, now the Hamas is doing the same.
I am not Palestinian. By the way, the ones stealing money from me are the Israelis. 5 billion a year to be exact.
Ho-ly-shit!
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5 billion? At least they put it to use. We've given how many billions to Pakistan, the rest of the Middle East, countless countries in Africa and South America and what's become of it? Went right into the pockets of those corrupt douche bags. We gave Pakistan billions to build their army and most of it is now unaccounted for, probably being used to fund attacks against us.
And you know what? I agree, stop all aid to all the shitholes in the world. The gravy train must stop.
I find it funny how the rest of the Muslim world absolutely despises the Palestinians to boot.
They hate the Jews more though...
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I find it funny how the rest of the Muslim world absolutely despises the Palestinians to boot.
You're wrong.
Firstly, 'Palestinians' are not the same as Hamas.
Secondly, Palestinians are despised around the Arab world, but Hamas isn't.
They're supported by the wahabbist in Saudi Arabia.
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You're wrong.
Firstly, 'Palestinians' are not the same as Hamas.
Secondly, Palestinians are despised around the Arab world, but Hamas isn't.
They're supported by the wahabbist in Saudi Arabia.
I'm not wrong. Palestinians are despised like I said. They're nothing more than pawns used by Hamas who have their strings pulled by Saudi Arabia. Much like Hezbollah and Lebanon. They're just too stupid to realize it. And they're the same as Hamas as they voted them into power and let them take over Gaza. They're reaping the rewards of that decision now. No food, water or electricity. Meanwhile the West Bank is doing alright with Fatah.
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Palestinians are despised around the Arab world .
Why are they despised by the Arab World?
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I'm not wrong. Palestinians are despised like I said. They're nothing more than pawns used by Hamas who have their strings pulled by Saudi Arabia. Much like Hezbollah and Lebanon. They're just too stupid to realize it. And they're the same as Hamas as they voted them into power and let them take over Gaza. They're reaping the rewards of that decision now. No food, water or electricity. Meanwhile the West Bank is doing alright with Fatah.
Hey Berzerk... Are you the girl in your avatar? Damn bra is driving me nuts...
Some things first... Hezbola DID NOT exist before the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. I ain't making this up, it is in the books. Secondly, Hamas is as much a terrorist group as the Israeli military is an army with a country (Israel). Hamas is a social phenomena in Palestine, but that was so because of the Israeli government's constant undermining of the PLO. I mean the PLO was seen as a nuisance because they constituted a viable political (albeit corrupt) alternative for Palestinians.
I seriously doubt the Israeli government's TRUE intentions. I mean, if you look at the maps of the proposed maps of the Palestinian state from 1947 to today... it is a farce, a complete farce. It's the increasingly shrinking state. Considering the Palestinians are being asked to accept 22% of their original territories as their state, it is rather humiliating in my opinion.
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Why are they despised by the Arab World?
That is a constant in Israeli rethoric. It's sort of like saying "don't worry about these poor suckers. Even their own people like them anyway".
Humanity at its best.
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Israel have every right to defend itself and its people.
These terrorists have been warned and now its time to take action. Israel rocks.
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Israel have every right to defend itself and its people.
These terrorists have been warned and now its time to take action. Israel rocks.
I wouldn't go that far.
The World is no different than the Wild. If you can't defend your property, you lose it.
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Why are they despised by the Arab World?
They're much like an ugly duckling.
Have always been stuck in between others conflicts.
IMO, several Muslim countries are more about opposing Israel rather than supporting the rights for the Palestinians to a land of their own.
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No, no one is saying that. But you do have to realise that outside of the US people DO look at the UN as a beacon of neutrality.
So you should listen to the UN only when it fits Arab needs? ::)
I'm in no way saying that Hamas are the Sisters of the Poor, but the Palestinian people DID give them democratic legitimacy, and since, for the UN, legitimate power emanates from the people (here in the US too remember?) it makes perfect sense that the UN would try to give them the necessary INTERNATIONAL legitimacy while indirectly "forcing" them to become a democratic entity.
Dude...its a terror organization that slaughtered the PLO people in that election...you trust the votes? You might as well trust any other fake democracy in the world where there is only 1 party or 98% approval rating, a terror organization will definitely fake votes.
Is everyone who doesn't agree with you a "moron"? You must be a "difficult" human being.
Nope, I have a specail place for you and your infantile brain.
I am not Palestinian. By the way, the ones stealing money from me are the Israelis. 5 billion a year to be exact.
Ho-ly-shit!
The US and the rest of the world including Israel sends money to Gaze, most was stolen by Arafat and now by Hamas, so yes they DIRECTLY steal your money.
So why do you have Jewish people? You have a problem with people who are smarter and more successful than you?
Your messiah seem to like them, he appointed quite a few.
Why don't you leave this site since it's owned and operated by a Jew Israeli?!
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So why do you have Jewish people? You have a problem with people who are smarter and more successful than you?
Your messiah seem to like them, he appointed quite a few.
Why don't you leave this site since it's owned and operated by an Jew Israeli?!
Avidan's an Israeli?
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Hey Berzerk... Are you the girl in your avatar? Damn bra is driving me nuts...
Some things first... Hezbola DID NOT exist before the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. I ain't making this up, it is in the books. Secondly, Hamas is as much a terrorist group as the Israeli military is an army with a country (Israel). Hamas is a social phenomena in Palestine, but that was so because of the Israeli government's constant undermining of the PLO. I mean the PLO was seen as a nuisance because they constituted a viable political (albeit corrupt) alternative for Palestinians.
I seriously doubt the Israeli government's TRUE intentions. I mean, if you look at the maps of the proposed maps of the Palestinian state from 1947 to today... it is a farce, a complete farce. It's the increasingly shrinking state. Considering the Palestinians are being asked to accept 22% of their original territories as their state, it is rather humiliating in my opinion.
Hahaha, no. I'm not the girl in my avatar. If I were, I'd be too busy touching myself to find time to post. :D
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A lot of people hate Jews because as a whole Jews work hard, get on with things, and share their IQ genes only with those worthy.
Israel has every right to defend her people.
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A lot of people hate Jews because as a whole Jews work hard, get on with things, and share their IQ genes only with those worthy.
Israel has every right to defend her people.
Your ideas are racist.
'Jews' are no worse or better than other ethnicities.
I know there's a common belief among Christian Zionists that 'Jews' somehow are an elite ethnicity.
But that is hogwash.
They're common people.
What they're doing to the Palestinians is unjust and unworthy of a civil society.
I'm talking about stealing land, about cutting off the possibilities for the Palestinians to farm their lands, to trade, to make an honest living.
Driving them into the hands of Hamas.
I am not disputing the Israelis right to strike against terrorism though.
It is a fact that it is the Palestinians who are poor and are forced to take terrorist money from Hamas in order to survive.
It's not the Israelis.
Israel as a land is there to stay, and I support that.
But they need to divide the land in 50/50.
Perhaps Israel need to do away with a few of its racist laws as well, eg the one that says that if you're a 'Jew', you get a citizenship automatically.
I don't know, I just think that since the Israelis are the only democratic society down there, you expect them to act like it.
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It is a fact that it is the Palestinians who are poor and are forced to take terrorist money from Hamas in order to survive.
It's not the Israelis.
Israel as a land is there to stay, and I support that.
But they need to divide the land in 50/50.
Perhaps Israel need to do away with a few of its racist laws as well, eg the one that says that if you're a 'Jew', you get a citizenship automatically.
I don't know, I just think that since the Israelis are the only democratic society down there, you expect them to act like it.
1.Where exactly you got the info that they are forced to be poor by Israel? That's retarded, Israel wants the opposite since poor people don't blow themself up.
Israel let them come and work in Israel, trade goods and send them medicine and electricity.
2.Why do you care about the citizenship law? Firstly it's not that easy as you think.
That law is a remanent after the holocaust that Israel is supposed to be a shelter to all Jewish people in need.
Also, if you are born in any country in the world you are a citizen...why don't you need to pass a citizenship test to verify that you are really citizenship worthy? Your notions are very foolish.
3.Stop being fed by the media.
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1.Where exactly you got the info that they are forced to be poor by Israel? That's retarded, Israel wants the opposite since poor people don't blow themself up.
Israel let them come and work in Israel, trade goods and send them medicine and electricity.
2.Why do you care about the citizenship law? Firstly it's not that easy as you think.
That law is a remanent after the holocaust that Israel is supposed to be a shelter to all Jewish people in need.
Also, if you are born in any country in the world you are a citizen...why don't you need to pass a citizenship test to verify that you are really citizenship worthy? Your notions are very foolish.
3.Stop being fed by the media.
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1.Where exactly you got the info that they are forced to be poor by Israel? That's retarded, Israel wants the opposite since poor people don't blow themself up.
Israel let them come and work in Israel, trade goods and send them medicine and electricity.
2.Why do you care about the citizenship law? Firstly it's not that easy as you think.
That law is a remanent after the holocaust that Israel is supposed to be a shelter to all Jewish people in need.
Also, if you are born in any country in the world you are a citizen...why don't you need to pass a citizenship test to verify that you are really citizenship worthy? Your notions are very foolish.
3.Stop being fed by the media.
1. I suppose you ment to write that well off people don't blow themselves up.
I agree. That is why I think Israel has acted wrong here.
Palestinians who aren't allowed to get to their olive trees to harvest - what good will that do for the Palestinian/Israel future?
Some Israelis are brave enough to stand up to their own leaders and offer these farmers help with the harvesting.
That's courage and idealism that could lead to peace.
2. I care about it because it's racist and not worthy of a democracy.
It also gives Israel a bad rep.
What's happened in the past - it is what it is.
But there's no reason to go on with racist laws.
3. I can't really answer this other than that I really try to get my info from several media sources.
Finally, what I really think is important, is to reach an agreement between the Palestinians and the Israelis that will ensure long term peace.
Both sides needs to crush their own extremists and find a solution where perhaps the land mass is split in 50/50.
I support Israels right to exist, but that doesn't mean that I, unlike you it seems, am prepared to give the Israelis a carte blanche to whatever they want.
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1. I suppose you ment to write that well off people don't blow themselves up.
I agree. That is why I think Israel has acted wrong here.
Palestinians who aren't allowed to get to their olive trees to harvest - what good will that do for the Palestinian/Israel future?
Some Israelis are brave enough to stand up to their own leaders and offer these farmers help with the harvesting.
That's courage and idealism that could lead to peace.
2. I care about it because it's racist and not worthy of a democracy.
It also gives Israel a bad rep.
What's happened in the past - it is what it is.
But there's no reason to go on with racist laws.
3. I can't really answer this other than that I really try to get my info from several media sources.
Finally, what I really think is important, is to reach an agreement between the Palestinians and the Israelis that will ensure long term peace.
Both sides needs to crush their own extremists and find a solution where perhaps the land mass is split in 50/50.
I support Israels right to exist, but that doesn't mean that I, unlike you it seems, am prepared to give the Israelis a carte blanche to whatever they want.
1.You talk out of ignorance, olive trees? Do you really believe Gaza is filled with farmers? Have you seen photos? It looks like a regular city.
Many Palestinians work in Israel or trade goods with Israel, the only time Israel hurts their livelihood is when there are terror activities and to prevent more insurgents getting out and more supply's for terror from getting in, they quarantine the strip.
2.That law isn't racist, just as getting an automatic citizenship if you are born in X country, a very common law.
Every nation have it set of values and Israel supports Jewish people, Holland support smoking weed but it's illegal in the US...so is their law bad? You have no basis for your argument.
3.The media you're used sucks and the Palestinians were proved to fake wounded people pictures and much more.
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You are a naive person.
There can never be peace when one side continually sends its children to blow themselves up and wants to drive a people into the sea.
Israel was getting shelled for weeks by rockets by Hamas.
What would you have them do?
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1.You talk out of ignorance, olive trees? Do you really believe Gaza is filled with farmers? Have you seen photos? It looks like a regular city.
Many Palestinians work in Israel or trade goods with Israel, the only time Israel hurts their livelihood is when there are terror activities and to prevent more insurgents getting out and more supply's for terror from getting in, they quarantine the strip.
2.That law isn't racist, just as getting an automatic citizenship if you are born in X country, a very common law.
Every nation have it set of values and Israel supports Jewish people, Holland support smoking weed but it's illegal in the US...so is their law bad? You have no basis for your argument.
3.The media you're used sucks and the Palestinians were proved to fake wounded people pictures and much more.
FWIW, I really appreciate discussing this with you, as you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
1. The olive tree harvesting was an example. I'm not suggesting Gaza is some farmers country.
The point is simply that Israel has fcuked themselves by hurting the economy of the everyday Palestinian.
2. How isn't a law racist that is based on ethnicity?
For a long time, South Africa had apartheid as 'set of values'. And Jews are getting harassed in several countries without any interference from authorities - also 'set of values'.
Doesn't make it right, does it?
3. I don't see how you can possibly claim that the media I've watched sucked until you've seen it yourself.
Perhaps you should at least know what sources I've been watching at the very least?
Finally, here we're discussing the wrongs of Israel in this conflict. Something I think is perfectly fine to do.
I don't particularly sympathize with the Palestinians though.
They are undemocratic, there's a lot of corruption and women's rights - well it's a Muslim country.
So Palestine is not a civil society. Israel is. But that doesn't mean the Palestinians shouldn't get a fair shake.
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If the Palis wanted a "fair shot" they should try going a week or month without lobbing rockets over the borders into Israel.
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"Yes, they have the obligation to stfu and obey the white man and the jews."...
Another inferior pale skinned cave dwelling, micro-phallic peckerwood reveals his inability to accept the fact that Jay Cutler lost this year, hurling hissy fit insults from behind the ramparts of cyber-anonimity. Now obey your genetic superior ans STFU!
;D
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FWIW, I really appreciate discussing this with you, as you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
1. The olive tree harvesting was an example. I'm not suggesting Gaza is some farmers country.
The point is simply that Israel has fcuked themselves by hurting the economy of the everyday Palestinian.
2. How isn't a law racist that is based on ethnicity?
For a long time, South Africa had apartheid as 'set of values'. And Jews are getting harassed in several countries without any interference from authorities - also 'set of values'.
Doesn't make it right, does it?
3. I don't see how you can possibly claim that the media I've watched sucked until you've seen it yourself.
Perhaps you should at least know what sources I've been watching at the very least?
Finally, here we're discussing the wrongs of Israel in this conflict. Something I think is perfectly fine to do.
I don't particularly sympathize with the Palestinians though.
They are undemocratic, there's a lot of corruption and women's rights - well it's a Muslim country.
So Palestine is not a civil society. Israel is. But that doesn't mean the Palestinians shouldn't get a fair shake.
1.Without Israel support Gaza have no water/power/etc and anything else you can think of.
Israel is doing nothing but trying to make them help themself, compare Hamas to the West bank where they got some tiny bit of sense.
2.By your logic every country should let everyone pass a citizenship test at age 18 ::)
Every country/political party/etc have it's agenda, Israel is to help Jews, and citizenship is a part of it.
Hamas is to kill Jews :-\
3.I know what are my sources and compared to them nothing you can get is anywhere near, and it's evident on most your and other posters posts.
Israel have been under Hamas attack for 8 years, Hamas aimed SOLEY on civilian population, now Israel is hurting HAMAS not the citizens. I just saw an interview at some Arab network and they brought some expert on international law, they wanted him to make Israel look bad but it back fired.
He basically said what I told you, every nation have a right and DUTY to defend it civilians, Hamas attacked civilians even at the cease fire period and the very limited civilian casualties that are in the Gaza strip are collateral damage and unavoidable compared to Hamas DIRECT attempt to hit civilians.
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Remember that 90% of the Palestinians want peace, and to hell with Hamas. It is just that if they say that, they are labeled collaborators, and get killed.
What are you talking about? UN? That started in 1945. Stolen from the Muslims - your propergando is just as bad as others. The nation of Israel was there 2,000 years ago. Muslims were not even around until way after that. In your thinking, everyone should just leave the United States and give it back to the Indians. Or everyone should just leave Mexico, and give it back too. Hey, get out of Australia too, after all, 200 years ago, England invaded it, right.
Get real, and learn history, not just in the last 70 years or so.
Get it through the heads that Israel is there, will stay there, and the only option is peace. Simple as that.
Ah how soon we forget. Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
It is time to finish the job Hitler started, these Jews are getting out of control killing great Arab's the Palestine's. Time to nuke Israel!
jt
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Ah how soon we forget. Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
It is time to finish the job Hitler started, these Jews are getting out of control killing great Arab's the Palestine's. Time to nuke Israel!
jt
Those pathetic vermin in the ME cant even touch Israel, who has a fraction of the population they do.
Isreal could wipe most of the arabs off the earth if they wanted to.
The pali's need to figure out that it is better to work and create jobs themselves than blowing their children up.
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My two gripes are this. Hamas specifically targets civilians. They don't attack Israeli military targets or important infrastructures. They are constantly trying to kill civilians. Women and children and other people who just happen to live in Israel. That is the definition of a terrorist organization.
Secondly, I can't see how an American can bitch about Israel "stealing" Palestinian land. They're most likely living on land that was stolen from Indians. If they're content with living on stolen land, then they can't tell someone else to give up their land. It makes them nothing more than hypocrites.
I don't think we should give back the land we took from the Indians, so I can't say that Israel should give back that land. It's war. The Arabs have tried twice to take back that land, and they failed miserably. Like the saying says, "In war, to the victor goes the spoils." As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs have about as "claim" to that land as the Indians do to America. Not even going to get into the fact that the Jews were in that land before Islam even existed.
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My two gripes are this. Hamas specifically targets civilians. They don't attack Israeli military targets or important infrastructures. They are constantly trying to kill civilians. Women and children and other people who just happen to live in Israel. That is the definition of a terrorist organization.
Secondly, I can't see how an American can bitch about Israel "stealing" Palestinian land. They're most likely living on land that was stolen from Indians. If they're content with living on stolen land, then they can't tell someone else to give up their land. It makes them nothing more than hypocrites.
I don't think we should give back the land we took from the Indians, so I can't say that Israel should give back that land. It's war. The Arabs have tried twice to take back that land, and they failed miserably. Like the saying says, "In war, to the victor goes the spoils." As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs have about as "claim" to that land as the Indians do to America. Not even going to get into the fact that the Jews were in that land before Islam even existed.
You get the situation pretty good, but I only have on remark on the wars, Israel had no problems with the borders but the Arabs attacked and lost, now they want their land back, land that is mostly used as buffer zones to protect from missile/artillery range of Syria/Lebanon/etc.
Seriously...it's like someone going to the casino and crying that he lost his money and wants it's back lol......if you play be prepped to suffer the consequences.
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Those pathetic vermin in the ME cant even touch Israel, who has a fraction of the population they do.
Isreal could wipe most of the arabs off the earth if they wanted to.
The pali's need to figure out that it is better to work and create jobs themselves than blowing their children up.
I have a feeling if the Arabs weren't busy selling oil to the americans, they would come together and annihilate israel. But the influx of american $$$ keeps them at bay and content.
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I have a feeling if the Arabs weren't busy selling oil to the americans, they would come together and annihilate israel. But the influx of american $$$ keeps them at bay and content.
Does it hurts when you try to think?
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I have a feeling if the Arabs weren't busy selling oil to the americans, they would come together and annihilate israel. But the influx of american $$$ keeps them at bay and content.
The Arabs are horrible at warfare and would be cannon fodder if they attacked en masse.
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Does it hurts when you try to think?
I'm sorry little jew, did I offend you ? it's not my fault the world hates your kind.
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I'm sorry little jew, did I offend you ? it's not my fault the world hates your kind.
The sad fact is that the pathetic arabs, without oil, provide nothing to the world and provide nothing to themselves.
They find it easier to blame the small country of Israel for all their problems than simly focus on their own shortcomings.
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The sad fact is that the pathetic arabs, without oil, provide nothing to the world and provide nothing to themselves.
They find it easier to blame the small country of Israel for all their problems than simly focus on their own shortcomings.
I actually agree 100% with you there, I'm European myself so have no affinity or bias towards either side :D
the arabs are inevitably fucked, more then likely by their own hand, but it's unfair that the U.S has basically become israel's pawn/puppet.
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I actually agree 100% with you there, I'm European myself so have no affinity or bias towards either side :D
the arabs are inevitably fucked, more then likely by their own hand, but it's unfair that the U.S has basically become israel's pawn/puppet.
I think Dubai is at least trying to move beyond oil and the backward culture of the ME. The others are still in the dark ages and seem content to stay there.
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I think Dubai is at least trying to move beyond oil and the backward culture of the ME. The others are still in the dark ages and seem content to stay there.
It is what it is, this is the world we live in :)
long live social Darwinism.
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I actually agree 100% with you there, I'm European myself so have no affinity or bias towards either side :D
the arabs are inevitably fucked, more then likely by their own hand, but it's unfair that the U.S has basically become israel's pawn/puppet.
You feel threatened and inferior to Jewish people thats why you keep inventing conspiracies and BS.
A typical moron, blame other people for his failure.
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I think Dubai is at least trying to move beyond oil and the backward culture of the ME. The others are still in the dark ages and seem content to stay there.
Dubai has estimated that they have roughly 20 years worth of oil left. They've been taking the steps to diversify their industries and are working towards becoming the financial hub of the Middle East. They've been becoming more moderate with respect to Sharia Law and are hoping that they can lure the big banks and other companies there. They'll probably be the only middle east country that doesn't resort to trying to kill the rest when the oil runs out and they're reduced to exporting massive quantities of sand.
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You feel threatened and inferior to Jewish people thats why you keep inventing conspiracies and BS.
A typical moron, blame other people for his failure.
Hahahah...threatened by the jews !?!?! LOL, what I'm scared they're not gonna aprove my bank loan ?! or I won't be able to secure a jewish lawyer sometime in the future ?!... you're beyond idiotic.
Face it, in 2000 years the jews have done nothing but tainted the moral fibers of humanity, driven by greed, business and shrewdness, they have corrupted society and led governments and societies astray, from pursuing more ambitious efforts like science, exploring our solar system, space travel and so on.
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Ah how soon we forget. Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
It is time to finish the job Hitler started, these Jews are getting out of control killing great Arab's the Palestine's. Time to nuke Israel!
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I hate posts like these.
Because they just make it so much harder to give fair critisism of Israel.
You can never discuss the Israel/Palestine problem if you have idits bringing in anti-semitism and pure hatred.
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Hahahah...threatened by the jews !?!?! LOL, what I'm scared they're not gonna aprove my bank loan ?! or I won't be able to secure a jewish lawyer sometime in the future ?!... you're beyond idiotic.
Face it, in 2000 years the jews have done nothing but tainted the moral fibers of humanity, driven by greed, business and shrewdness, they have corrupted society and led governments and societies astray, from pursuing more ambitious efforts like science, exploring our solar system, space travel and so on.
Albert Einstein????
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Albert Einstein????
Whose theory of relativity and special theory of relativity led to the creation of the hydrogen and atom bomb(s) responsible for how much destruction and death ???
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I have a feeling if the Arabs weren't busy selling oil to the americans, they would come together and annihilate israel. But the influx of american $$$ keeps them at bay and content.
The Saudis are the main sponsor of Hamas AND at the same time, is considered an ally with USA because of their long friendship with the Bush family.
Just to give you an example of how good connections the Saudis have with the USA - their air force is filled with US made F-15's and bombs.
At the same time their princes send money to Hamas and other extremists around the world, funding Muslim extremism and terrorism.
They also fund extremist madrasahs around the world, spreading the extremist version of Islam that is wahabbism.
So the Saudi's, with the good cooperation of the Bush administration, have been fueling the war between Palestinians and Israelis.
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Hahahah...threatened by the jews !?!?! LOL, what I'm scared they're not gonna aprove my bank loan ?! or I won't be able to secure a jewish lawyer sometime in the future ?!... you're beyond idiotic.
Face it, in 2000 years the jews have done nothing but tainted the moral fibers of humanity, driven by greed, business and shrewdness, they have corrupted society and led governments and societies astray, from pursuing more ambitious efforts like science, exploring our solar system, space travel and so on.
Talk about ignorant, you do know that a HUGE portion of the world Nobel prize winners are Jewish, a tiny fraction of the world popultion that excels in all, damn it must make you feel like shit, very inferior.
Next time try to be in the same universe that the thread speak...seriously...sayi ng that Jewish people don't help science lol....just lol.
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You feel threatened and inferior to Jewish people thats why you keep inventing conspiracies and BS.
A typical moron, blame other people for his failure.
Sunny days, everything's A okay.
Love ya', buddy.
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The Saudis are the main sponsor of Hamas AND at the same time, is considered an ally with USA because of their long friendship with the Bush family.
Just to give you an example of how good connections the Saudis have with the USA - their air force is filled with US made F-15's and bombs.
At the same time their princes send money to Hamas and other extremists around the world, funding Muslim extremism and terrorism.
They also fund extremist madrasahs around the world, spreading the extremist version of Islam that is wahabbism.
So the Saudi's, with the good cooperation of the Bush administration, have been fueling the war between Palestinians and Israelis.
Well it's not like the U.S weren't funding terrorist groups in the 70's and 80's, arming the Afghans when they had their ordeal with Russia, lol... there are no angels in this world, everyone has skeletons in their closets and dirt on their hands.
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Ah how soon we forget. Israel was created in 1948, after UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
Nice, so Israel stole the land from Britian??? Or did Britian now steal the land from the Arabs, who stole it from the Crusaders, who stole in from the Jews, and so on... From what you wrote there, they got the land from Britian. Nice. Australia, Canada, and 60 other countries too. I guess everyone stole land from everyone else.
It is time to finish the job Hitler started, these Jews are getting out of control killing great Arab's the Palestine's. Time to nuke Israel!
That is racist, and pathetic on your part to debate something. Not cool.
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Nice, so Israel stole the land from Britian??? Or did Britian now steal the land from the Arabs, who stole it from the Crusaders, who stole in from the Jews, and so on... From what you wrote there, they got the land from Britian. Nice. Australia, Canada, and 60 other countries too. I guess everyone stole land from everyone else.
That is racist, and pathetic on your part to debate something. Not cool.
some christians deserve to be taken out too
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Nice, so Israel stole the land from Britian??? Or did Britian now steal the land from the Arabs, who stole it from the Crusaders, who stole in from the Jews, and so on... From what you wrote there, they got the land from Britian. Nice. Australia, Canada, and 60 other countries too. I guess everyone stole land from everyone else.
That is racist, and pathetic on your part to debate something. Not cool.
Ron, the Arabs always lived in the israel land since the beginning of time, about 6,000 thousand years ago. That land is their's not the jews, the jews as you know always were spread threw out the world scattered because no one wanted them in their country.
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Ron, the Arabs always lived in the israel land since the beginning of time, about 6,000 thousand years ago. That land is their's not the jews, the jews as you know always were spread threw out the world scattered because no one wanted them in their country.
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ron knows perfectly well about the creation of israel and how it's been forced on the palestinians
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I keep thinking of the Britney Spears song when I read the title of this thread lol
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Ron, the Arabs always lived in the israel land since the beginning of time, about 6,000 thousand years ago. That land is their's not the jews, the jews as you know always were spread threw out the world scattered because no one wanted them in their country.
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Wrong, Israel was the first country there, before Israel it was tribal country.
Look it up in the bible or in history books, the only country that was independent there was Israel.
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Wrong, Israel was the first country there, before Israel it was tribal country.
Look it up in the bible or in history books, the only country that was independent there was Israel.
QFHT.
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Wrong, Israel was the first country there, before Israel it was tribal country.
Look it up in the bible or in history books, the only country that was independent there was Israel.
I keep thinking of the Britney Spears song when I read the title of this thread lol
Lol.
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Ron, the Arabs always lived in the israel land since the beginning of time, about 6,000 thousand years ago. That land is their's not the jews, the jews as you know always were spread threw out the world scattered because no one wanted them in their country.
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exactly.
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As usual the world is cleaning up the shit left behind from the British Empire. Wonder what superpower will be cleaning up our mess one hundred years from now. Turkey and Britain should solve this problem.
Appeasing the Palestinians is like America giving back California to Mexico or the Louisiana purchase to the Native Americans. Unrealistic in the 21st century. Palestinians need to man the fuck up and build their country, infrastructure etc. Hamas needs to go away. I don't think any American would be bitching if we bombed Mexico after they launched some rockets into San Diego. I hate Israel but let's keep our perspective on this stupid situation. Hamas is known for hiding behind civillians. Typical pussy Arabs.
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yes hamas is blinded by their stupid religion though.
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yes hamas is blinded by their stupid religion though.
Yeah and Israelis still believe they are the "chosen" people. LOL. Like god really gives a fuck about either of them at this point.
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Nice, so Israel stole the land from Britian??? Or did Britian now steal the land from the Arabs, who stole it from the Crusaders, who stole in from the Jews, and so on... From what you wrote there, they got the land from Britian. Nice. Australia, Canada, and 60 other countries too. I guess everyone stole land from everyone else.
That is racist, and pathetic on your part to debate something. Not cool.
You are arguing about the politics with the 13 years old little boys who say anything just because it sounds cool in his own ears. These morons cannot point Israel from the map, so you must understand that your comments doesn't mean anything to them. These little brats doesn't know what they are talking about, and only 1% has some own bad experience about the Jews. Still they hate the Jews because it is populist's thing to do in USA. Just same than hate blacks, asians, what ever. I am not a Jew, but I have been in Israel, I know plenty of Jews in this country and they are just about finest human beings what I have met in my life. Arabs in the other hand are something else, they got that muslim attitude which is based on believe, that they are better than anybody else. Their religion gives a great excuse to fight against anybody, and they are fool enough to use it. If you look those wars which has been going on in past 30 years, there is always muslims against rest of the world. If Israel has lower a mount of muslims on earth, I raise my hat to that, because peace of the world is so much closer.
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You are arguing about the politics with the 13 years old little boys who say anything just because it sounds cool in his own ears. These morons cannot point Israel from the map, so you must understand that your comments doesn't mean anything to them. These little brats doesn't know what they are talking about, and only 1% has some own bad experience about the Jews. Still they hate the Jews because it is populist's thing to do in USA. Just same than hate blacks, asians, what ever. I am not a Jew, but I have been in Israel, I know plenty of Jews in this country and they are just about finest human beings what I have met in my life. Arabs in the other hand are something else, they got that muslim attitude which is based on believe, that they are better than anybody else. Their religion gives a great excuse to fight against anybody, and they are fool enough to use it. If you look those wars which has been going on in past 30 years, there is always muslims against rest of the world. If Israel has lower a mount of muslims on earth, I raise my hat to that, because peace of the world is so much closer.
the world would be better if all the bigot christians were dead too
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you think they can handle the isrealis with stones "greatfin"?
So in your opinion it is justified to use children's as a terrorist weapons, and put them carry a suicide bombs to Israel? Just remember this, when they use that weapon against USA, in next possible opportunity they get. From your comment I can also read that your IQ is 75 - 80, and that you are going through puberty at the moment. Owing to the fact that, it would be better if you could stop commenting political issues, because you really haven't nothing to say. Insetad of that, just concentrate on masturbation, that is something which you could be a real talent.
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Wrong, Israel was the first country there, before Israel it was tribal country.
Look it up in the bible or in history books, the only country that was independent there was Israel.
Oh Brother. Could you you own yourself better. Total religious/ethnic crap - just like that shit MattC used to spew about Jews being behind all the biological/financial stuff. The Palestinians have been dis-empowered, dis-enfranchised, with no hope or stake for the future. And when they rebel... and now with now 70 km rockets smuggled from Syria - you're surprised!? Gee, If I was a suppressed people, despite Israel being a country that has disregarded over 30 UN censures as per it's 'behaviour' vis-a-vis - the Palestinians, I'd act the same way. Crimmeney, you've treated your own people like like blacks under apartheid, or Jews under the Nazi regime and you smile about it. Where the fuck is Amos Oz or some other logical thinker on this board. ::)
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Israel, plz BBQ some more stinky muslim shitheads, plz
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fuuuuuuuuuuk israel.. more thn 70 kid have been killed in gaza since last week!!!..
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fuuuuuuuuuuk israel.. more thn 70 kid have been killed in gaza since last week!!!..
that all? better luck next time Israel
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fuuuuuuuuuuk israel.. more thn 70 kid have been killed in gaza since last week!!!..
death is positive for you!? ???
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death is positive for you!? ???
and fuk is positive 4 u!!
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Oh Brother. Could you you own yourself better. Total religious/ethnic crap - just like that shit MattC used to spew about Jews being behind all the biological/financial stuff. The Palestinians have been dis-empowered, dis-enfranchised, with no hope or stake for the future. And when they rebel... and now with now 70 km rockets smuggled from Syria - you're surprised!? Gee, If I was a suppressed people, despite Israel being a country that has disregarded over 30 UN censures as per it's 'behaviour' vis-a-vis - the Palestinians, I'd act the same way. Crimmeney, you've treated your own people like like blacks under apartheid, or Jews under the Nazi regime and you smile about it. Where the fuck is Amos Oz or some other logical thinker on this board. ::)
You can write an even longer and more misleading post but it won't change the facts, which are that there was no Palestinian people or land before Israel was created, they were created with Israel.
Please tell me when Israel was under Palestinian control? When the British were there? The Turkish? When? NEVER.
I won't go into this more because you keep babbling without actually looking at the facts...too bad.
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You can write an even longer and more misleading post but it won't change the facts, which are that there was no Palestinian people or land before Israel was created, they were created with Israel.
Please tell me when Israel was under Palestinian control? When the British were there? The Turkish? When? NEVER.
I won't go into this more because you keep babbling without actually looking at the facts...too bad.
Really? Seems history doesn't exactly agree with you.
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
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Really? Seems history doesn't exactly agree with you.
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
Interesting paragraphs from that site...
The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians.
The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.
The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It is nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews!
The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a war between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious jihad against the Jews.
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Interesting paragraphs from that site...
The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians.
The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.
The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It is nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews!
The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a war between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious jihad against the Jews.
LOL I guess he didn't read what he posted, he just made my point stronger hahaha.
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Ron how can you answer this ?!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=950_1230980026
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Ron how can you answer this ?!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=950_1230980026
Yes, it's called biased propaganda.
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LOL I guess he didn't read what he posted, he just made my point stronger hahaha.
Actually, yes I did... your point really isn't a point at all.
Many people would disagree with your statement that there was no Palestinian people before the 1940s.
I'm sure the Palestinian people themselves would disagree, but as is par for the course, when it comes to Israel, most people just go with whatever the Israeli government decides.
Another instance of history being written by the "winners"
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Actually, yes I did... your point really isn't a point at all.
Many people would disagree with your statement that there was no Palestinian people before the 1940s.
I'm sure the Palestinian people themselves would disagree, but as is par for the course, when it comes to Israel, most people just go with whatever the Israeli government decides.
Another instance of history being written by the "winners"
Yawn....you know that site is pro-Israeli? You obviously have such a tiwsted mind that you can't even understand that you're agreeing with the "enemy".
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Yawn....you know that site is pro-Israeli? You obviously have such a tiwsted mind that you can't even understand that you're agreeing with the "enemy".
I don't see an "enemy".
I think both sides of that conflict are completely ridiculous... Fighting for a shitty religious historical area.
You do realize that the areas that were under "Palestinian" control have been slowly eroded over the past 60+ years... Pretty odd.
But, do you also realize that if the Palestinian's wanted to control Israel, they could... easily.
Israel has a law that states that anyone who asks for Citizenship will be granted it... The Palestinians could easily apply for citizenship and vote themselves into power within a generation if they weren't complete morons.
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I don't see an "enemy".
I think both sides of that conflict are completely ridiculous... Fighting for a shitty religious historical area.
You do realize that the areas that were under "Palestinian" control have been slowly eroded over the past 60+ years... Pretty odd.
But, do you also realize that if the Palestinian's wanted to control Israel, they could... easily.
Israel has a law that states that anyone who asks for Citizenship will be granted it... The Palestinians could easily apply for citizenship and vote themselves into power within a generation if they weren't complete morons.
This is what cracks me up. Look at that area. It's desert and has no ecological/economic significance. Hell, the only reason it's important is because a couple of buildings built thousands of years ago hold some significance because a book written by some schmuck tells them it's important. It's ridiculous. Fucking religion. ::)
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This is what cracks me up. Look at that area. It's desert and has no ecological/economic significance. Hell, the only reason it's important is because a couple of buildings built thousands of years ago hold some significance because a book written by some schmuck tells them it's important. It's ridiculous. Fucking religion. ::)
Fighting for a fucking pile of sand that can not functionally improve any of their lives... Completely moronic.
If you're fighting for your land... your land should have some value... There is nothing valuable there.
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I don't see an "enemy".
I think both sides of that conflict are completely ridiculous... Fighting for a shitty religious historical area.
You do realize that the areas that were under "Palestinian" control have been slowly eroded over the past 60+ years... Pretty odd.
But, do you also realize that if the Palestinians wanted to control Israel, they could... easily.
Israel has a law that states that anyone who asks for Citizenship will be granted it... The Palestinians could easily apply for citizenship and vote themselves into power within a generation if they weren't complete morons.
Firstly you are wrong about that law, it's only for Jewish people.
Secondly, my greatest concern for the Israeli people is that the Israeli Arabs will one day vote themself into power.
But...do remember...the Israeli Arabs want to live in a 1st world country, they know how a real Arab country look...so they aren't so quick to turn where they live into one.
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Firstly you are wrong about that law, it's only for Jewish people.
Secondly, my greatest concern for the Israeli people is that the Israeli Arabs will one day vote themself into power.
But...do remember...the Israeli Arabs want to live in a 1st world country, they know how a real Arab country look...so they aren't so quick to turn where they live into one.
That's not what I've been led to believe... If you have something that shows otherwise, I will acquiesce that point, but in things I've read and discussed... Palestinians can become Israeli citizens if they petition that.
Also, my understanding is that Palestinians who are born in "Israeli occupied" land are already citizens as the government is represented by Palestinians at about the 8 percent mark.
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That's not what I've been led to believe... If you have something that shows otherwise, I will acquiesce that point, but in things I've read and discussed... Palestinians can become Israeli citizens if they petition that.
Also, my understanding is that Palestinians who are born in "Israeli occupied" land are already citizens as the government is represented by Palestinians at about the 8 percent mark.
You're confusing things here.
Jewish people get automatic citizenship from all over the world, although it's not really automatic.
The Palestinians want to receive the same right, but they never will and should never get it either.
The 8% you speak of is the Israeli Arabs, Arabs that are born inside Israel, places like Jaffa,Om-Al-Fahem and such.
They are 100% Israeli citizens, although they have proved over and over to be traitors.
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You're confusing things here.
Jewish people get automatic citizenship from all over the world, although it's not really automatic.
The Palestinians want to receive the same right, but they never will and should never get it either.
The 8% you speak of is the Israeli Arabs, Arabs that are born inside Israel, places like Jaffa,Om-Al-Fahem and such.
They are 100% Israeli citizens, although they have proved over and over to be traitors.
Let's just say that you know that I mean Israeli Arabs when I use that term ok?
The point is that the Arabs could control Israel if they weren't such morons.
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Let's just say that you know that I mean Israeli Arabs when I use that term ok?
The point is that the Arabs could control Israel if they weren't such morons.
We agree that they are morons, they ~15% of the population so they can't control.
But yes they can get much more power.
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there are rascist laws within Israel that favours israeli jews above israeli arabs thats true.
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there are rascist laws within Israel that favours israeli jews above israeli arabs thats true.
Name one.
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Name one.
One is that the Israeli Knesset voted to block palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents.
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One is that the Israeli Knesset voted to block palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents.
I don't recall such a law, please link me.
Also, citizenship laws in Israel are pretty firm, you need to prove you are really Jewish and really married and so on. Some of these laws were legislated because of the rise in illegal workers that come there to fill in the gaps in lower level jobs, kind of like in the US.
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ive red about several rascist laws in the book "the israel lobby" but heres a random google link.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/racist-marriage-law-upheld-by-israel-478291.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/racist-marriage-law-upheld-by-israel-478291.html)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0801-07.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0801-07.htm)
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ive red about several rascist laws in the book "the israel lobby" but heres a random google link.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/racist-marriage-law-upheld-by-israel-478291.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/racist-marriage-law-upheld-by-israel-478291.html)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0801-07.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0801-07.htm)
Did you actually read why this law was legislated?
Will you agree for automatic citizenship for any illegal alien that paid some trailer trash bitch to marry her?
If a large portion of the Arab population in Israel will marry Palestinians just to get them citizenship Israel security will be long gone.
You are too blind, this law is a necessity.
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then maybe you should sent a email to mr jimmy carter and prof john Mearsheimer to name two, that they see it all wrong and you can explain them how it really sits right?
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then maybe you should sent a email to mr jimmy carter and prof john Mearsheimer to name two, that they see it all wrong and you can explain them how it really sits right?
Right after you will support a law that give automatic citizenship to anyone who marry an American citizen...I mean...whomever heard of frauds...especially Israeli Arabs that marry Palestinians to get them citizenships...or some trailer trash marrying an illegal alien for money... ::)
Here is how your buddies fight:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
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Right after you will support a law that give automatic citizenship to anyone who marry an American citizen...I mean...whomever heard of frauds...especially Israeli Arabs that marry Palestinians to get them citizenships...or some trailer trash marrying an illegal alien for money... ::)
Here is how your buddies fight:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
If a foreign national who is legally in the US marries a US citizen, they can become a citizen after 3 years.
That's not so bad if you ask me... Is it automatic, no... but it's not a blanket denial.
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You're confusing things here.
Jewish people get automatic citizenship from all over the world, although it's not really automatic.
The Palestinians want to receive the same right, but they never will and should never get it either.
The 8% you speak of is the Israeli Arabs, Arabs that are born inside Israel, places like Jaffa,Om-Al-Fahem and such.
They are 100% Israeli citizens, although they have proved over and over to be traitors.
No offence bro, but I definitely think Mars gave you an example of a racist law.
Any law that brings ethnicity into the equation is racist.
What's so hard to understand about that?
I'll tell you where I stand on the issue. I think Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the way they do not respect war laws and hide among civilians, bomb civilian targets, et al, is totally unacceptable.
But when Israel killed one of the leaders of Hamas the other day, his children were killed at the same time.
His children.
7-8 year olds becoming casualities of war. Since when is that a price that Israel is willing to pay?
I don't care what you say about things being twisted by the media.
Blame the media all you want.
But the fact is that children and civilians are getting slaughtered.
It's not just Israel's fault. It's Hamas as well, they don't follow the rules of war.
Also, as the attacking force in the conflict, Israel has responsibility for the safety and well being of the civilians in the area.
If they don't see to that, Israel's officers in charge are war criminals.
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No offence bro, but I definitely think Mars gave you an example of a racist law.
Any law that brings ethnicity into the equation is racist.
What's so hard to understand about that?
I'll tell you where I stand on the issue. I think Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the way they do not respect war laws and hide among civilians, bomb civilian targets, et al, is totally unacceptable.
But when Israel killed one of the leaders of Hamas the other day, his children were killed at the same time.
His children.
7-8 year olds becoming casualities of war. Since when is that a price that Israel is willing to pay?
I don't care what you say about things being twisted by the media.
Blame the media all you want.
But the fact is that children and civilians are getting slaughtered.
It's not just Israel's fault. It's Hamas as well, they don't follow the rules of war.
Also, as the attacking force in the conflict, Israel has responsibility for the safety and well being of the civilians in the area.
If they don't see to that, Israel's officers in charge are war criminals.
Maybe you should blame him for hiding behind his children? He knew he was a target.
Come on now, hiding behind your children and then blaming others for your children suffering? lol...you gotta try better than that.
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The racist laws of Israel are no different from a lot of Muslim laws. Look at Sharia Law and the jizyah for example. They both do it.
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The racist laws of Israel are no different from a lot of Muslim laws. Look at Sharia Law and the jizyah for example. They both do it.
They both do it?
No offence, but that's old school apologism IMO.
Israel have racist laws. That's just not something I can ever agree with.
I don't agree with racist laws in any other country either.
I think Muslim laws are a disaster, eg I would support a total boycott of Saudi Arabia the minute it was suggested.
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They both do it?
No offence, but that's old school apologism IMO.
Israel have racist laws. That's just not something I can ever agree with.
I don't agree with racist laws in any other country either.
I think Muslim laws are a disaster, eg I would support a total boycott of Saudi Arabia the minute it was suggested.
I'm not apologizing for it. I'm pointing out that the people basing their entire argument around the fact that Israel has some racist laws designed to benefit the jews really need to do a little reading on Sharia Law. I'm not defending them either. But railing against Israel for it when Sharia Law is about as prejudiced as you can get is incredibly hypocritical.
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Maybe you should blame him for hiding behind his children? He knew he was a target.
Come on now, hiding behind your children and then blaming others for your children suffering? lol...you gotta try better than that.
He was killed in the night. At his home.
I would have agreed with you if he'd been killed during the day, at work and the kids would've been with him then.
But now?
A man's got to sleep and be with his family sometime.
If you look at my post, you see that I mentioned how Hamas do not follow the rules of war.
So I don't automatically blame Israel when Palestinian kids get killed.
But this time, it seems like the attack was disproportionate.
Because not only the Hamas leader but several people at his home were killed.
That's just not right.
FWIW, I believe a big reason for this attack on Hamas was because of the upcoming elections and the current leftist administration wanted to secure added support.
From what I've seen, they've managed to gain in the polls, get the upper hand on Likud.
Too bad a military action is done in order to secure political power.
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Israel called the people in the area of that guy on the phone a week in advance saying that he was a possible target. He knew it too. How many people bring their children to war with them? The insurgents in Afghanistan usually leave their families behind to fight their war.
And what are they supposed to do? Not kill him because he surrounds himself with people while he orchestrates attacks? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
It's war. Has anyone in history ever stopped themselves from killing a person in the top five of command of their enemy because of his family being around him? Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi's family was killed in the attack on him. Should the USA have left him alone despite knowing he was there and the fact that it took them a year to track him down? A guy who was beheading Iraqis and US contractors left and right and responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis in his campaign of orchestrated bombings?
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I'm not apologizing for it. I'm pointing out that the people basing their entire argument around the fact that Israel has some racist laws designed to benefit the jews really need to do a little reading on Sharia Law. I'm not defending them either. But railing against Israel for it when Sharia Law is about as prejudiced as you can get is incredibly hypocritical.
I disagree.
It has to be possible to discuss the problems of the laws of Israel without mentioning how bad other countries are.
Just as we should be able to discuss how Muslim laws are antidemocratic, without having to mention how Christianity was both antidemocratic and antifeminist five hundred years ago.
I guess one problem is that many that are critical of Israel, also subscribe to some "Jewish" conspiracy theory or believe that "Jews" are born evil.
Ie, they are racists themselves.
These people are like a plague to any discussion on Israel/Palestine.
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I disagree.
It has to be possible to discuss the problems of the laws of Israel without mentioning how bad other countries are.
Just as we should be able to discuss how Muslim laws are antidemocratic, without having to mention how Christianity was both antidemocratic and antifeminist five hundred years ago.
I guess one problem is that many that are critical of Israel, also subscribe to some "Jewish" conspiracy theory or believe that "Jews" are born evil.
Ie, they are racists themselves.
These people are like a plague to any discussion on Israel/Palestine.
You're right, actually. I get pissed when the apologists when they compare the actions of Islam to Christianity 700 years ago to prove their point and I just did the same thing.
I just choose to ignore the people with the conspiracy theory bullshit. The majority of them have zero evidence to support their claim, generally show themselves to be severely lacking in intelligence and the ability to refute any point, and conduct themselves like children.
And for what it's worth, I don't agree with Israel's laws or Sharia law either. They're both ridiculous in this day and age.
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Are you kidding me Hedge? So Israel is supposed to wait until he is at a "legitimate" place? Not sleeping? lol
He is a wanted man....if he wanted to protect his family he should go underground like the rest of Hamas.
You have NO point here, seriously.
Now regarding the laws, you seem to deny reality, human morals<<<< reality/security on such a scale.
When you have a millions Israeli Arabs wanting to marry Palestinians just to get them citizenship that hurts the security of Israel, especially if that citizenship is given to a terrorist.
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Israel called the people in the area of that guy on the phone a week in advance saying that he was a possible target. He knew it too. How many people bring their children to war with them? The insurgents in Afghanistan usually leave their families behind to fight their war.
Didn't know this.
I haven't seen this info.
And I have no reason to question you.
Honestly, I can't say if I think Israel was right or wrong.
They must've seen some kind of heat profiles before firing the rockets.
Some of those profiles must've been awfully short.
How do you play it then?
I just don't know.
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What I find amusing is how people are justifying Hamas' blatant disregard for the Palestinian civilians. Notice how the Hamas leadership has disappeared into bunkers, while they leave the civilians out their to die. If they cared about them, they'd stop the rocket attacks long enough for Israel to leave and for humanitarian aid to get in there. They're just proving that their aims matter to them more than the Palestinian people, yet we're supposed to feel bad for their situation.
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Are you kidding me Hedge? So Israel is supposed to wait until he is at a "legitimate" place? Not sleeping? lol
He is a wanted man....if he wanted to protect his family he should go underground like the rest of Hamas.
You have NO point here, seriously.
I'll admit that I don't know all the details.
Also, I don't know enough about the tactics of Hamas. From what I've heard they actually hide weapons and soldiers in mosques, schools, anything that is considered "off-limits".
Still, bombing a home when you know there are still kids around. I just don't see how you can pay that price.
You got to find other ways to get him.
Now regarding the laws, you seem to deny reality, human morals<<<< reality/security on such a scale.
When you have a millions Israeli Arabs wanting to marry Palestinians just to get them citizenship that hurts the security of Israel, especially if that citizenship is given to a terrorist.
If you look at Zimbabwe, the country did much better back when they had racially segregated laws there.
That was until the 70's.
Even South Africa did well during apartheid, and have problems now when racist laws are gone.
Still, no sane person would suggest that "reality/security" should rule over human morals in these cases.
A more extreme comparison - during the Nazi Germany, stripping the Jews of their rights and confiscating their possessions was probably quite profitable for the German State. Not to mention how the Nazi's painted the Jews as a scapegoat for everything wrong in Germany at the time.
Were the Nazi's justified? According to your philosophy - yes.
That was "reality" ruling over human morals.
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What I find amusing is how people are justifying Hamas' blatant disregard for the Palestinian civilians. Notice how the Hamas leadership has disappeared into bunkers, while they leave the civilians out their to die. If they cared about them, they'd stop the rocket attacks long enough for Israel to leave and for humanitarian aid to get in there. They're just proving that their aims matter to them more than the Palestinian people, yet we're supposed to feel bad for their situation.
It's interesting to see how the Egyptians are pissed as hell with Hamas.
They reason just like you - Palestinians getting the shaft by Hamas who sits in their bunkers.
The whole Arab Union is a mess over the Israel/Palestine situation right now. Many of the members are mortal enemies of Hamas.
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Dear Hedge, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Since when a country have to accept anyone? Do you know there are favorable laws in ANY country towards many types of people? From handicaps to professional experts (especially citizenship laws, many countries encourge experts to come), Small business to large business and so on.... what about the American Indians? Take away their reservations since it's not fair to other people who don't get one?
Reality man...gotta stay in the realm of reality.
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It's interesting to see how the Egyptians are pissed as hell with Hamas.
They reason just like you - Palestinians getting the shaft by Hamas who sits in their bunkers.
The whole Arab Union is a mess over the Israel/Palestine situation right now. Many of the members are mortal enemies of Hamas.
I think the best solution is for Egypt to absorb Gaza and Jordan the West Bank. But as long as Hamas exists, the chance of Egypt doing that is zero. Hamas needs to go away for any sort of progress to be made.
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I think the best solution is for Egypt to absorb Gaza and Jordan the West Bank. But as long as Hamas exists, the chance of Egypt doing that is zero. Hamas needs to go away for any sort of progress to be made.
Are you kidding me? They will never do it, they didn't want them as a part of the peace treaty with Israel,they will never take them now.
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Are you kidding me? They will never do it, they didn't want them as a part of the peace treaty with Israel,they will never take them now.
I know. Which just shows how dumb this situation is because the Muslims can't even get along with each other, so expecting them to get along with Israel is just ridiculous.
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Dear Hedge, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Since when a country have to accept anyone? Do you know there are favorable laws in ANY country towards many types of people? From handicaps to professional experts (especially citizenship laws, many countries encourge experts to come), Small business to large business and so on.... what about the American Indians? Take away their reservations since it's not fair to other people who don't get one?
Reality man...gotta stay in the realm of reality.
The American Indians are an excellent example.
Get rid of their reservations. I'm all for it.
They also have some kind of casino rights. That ain't right.
The whole American Indian land owning issue needs to be solved as well.
Perhaps each and every ancestor of the American Indians should be paid off a couple of millions or a few hundred thousands or so.
Because obviously, the land can't be given back. Other people are living there right now.
I don't know where the amount would land.
But that would settle the whole American Indian issue.
Instead of the current absurd "reservations" deal.
Let the American Indians live in USA like anyone else. After paying them off.
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The American Indians are an excellent example.
Get rid of their reservations. I'm all for it.
They also have some kind of casino rights. That ain't right.
The whole American Indian land owning issue needs to be solved as well.
Perhaps each and every ancestor of the American Indians should be paid off a couple of millions or a few hundred thousands or so.
Because obviously, the land can't be given back. Other people are living there right now.
I don't know where the amount would land.
But that would settle the whole American Indian issue.
Instead of the current absurd "reservations" deal.
Let the American Indians live in USA like anyone else. After paying them off.
You solution will still be racist based on your own definition since they will get money just for being a part of a certain group.
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You solution will still be racist based on your own definition since they will get money just for being a part of a certain group.
Touché, mon frére. 8)
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Touché, mon frére. 8)
LOL, you see what I'm getting at?
Saying that you want no racism at all is nice, but in reality racism is used everyday and many times is considered something noble....like helping elderly...or handicaps and so on.
Helping a population defend themself from selfproclaim enemies, even by so called racist manners is legitimate.
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LOL, you see what I'm getting at?
Saying that you want no racism at all is nice, but in reality racism is used everyday and many times is considered something noble....like helping elderly...or handicaps and so on.
Helping a population defend themself from selfproclaim enemies, even by so called racist manners is legitimate.
Helping the Elderly is Agism, not racism... aiding the handicapped or "disabled" is something else entirely... it's certainly not "racist" however.
I agree that they are "prejudices" but it is not "racism".
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Hamas is first and foremost Palestine's problem. If we had a terror network in the US that is sending rockets into Canada, the US gov is responsible for finding and dealing with the criminals. The fact that Palestine allows Hamas to operate and commit terrorism within its borders means they are unable or unwilling to do something about them.
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Helping the Elderly is Agism, not racism... aiding the handicapped or "disabled" is something else entirely... it's certainly not "racist" however.
I agree that they are "prejudices" but it is not "racism".
You got the point ;)
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Hamas is first and foremost Palestine's problem. If we had a terror network in the US that is sending rockets into Canada, the US gov is responsible for finding and dealing with the criminals. The fact that Palestine allows Hamas to operate and commit terrorism within its borders means they are unable or unwilling to do something about them.
A big problem is that USA allows the Saudi princes to send their homeboys in Hamas enough money to both fight Israel and to offer monetary handouts to ordinary Palestinians.
With the current economic situation in Gaza, the Palestinians depends a lot on Hamas for surviving.
A solution would be if Israel could find some way to make the Hamas handouts obsolete.
Also, USA has to talk serious business with its "ally" Saudi Arabia.
There can't be no more military export to Saudi Arabia until their link to Hamas is broken.