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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
How about just doing what you like?
Why do you even give a fuck about what the people here say?
If i was you, i'd just go offline and to the gym.
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Get on some test.
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start juicing, I know I will in the near future.
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start juicing, I know I will in the near future.
THG turned into Team huge aryans!
I probably will...as soon as I am in the right situation and place with the money and dealer....
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Come to sweden and I will hook u up my THG brother!
We do what we can to fight our genetics!
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Come to sweden and I will hook u up my THG brother!
We do what we can to fight our genetics!
If I could get a job there I would...love to learn Svenska!
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If I could get a job there I would...love to learn Svenska!
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I thought you would answer
"DU ER MANNEN" ;D
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I thought you would answer
"DU ER MANNEN" ;D
Det ogsa! ;D
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leave getbig completely for 1 week, seriously.
recharge your batteries and come again, this time more positive.
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leave getbig completely for 1 week, seriously and kill yourself
you are a pathetic and hopeless worm who is unworthy of life itself
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Go to the gym and find someone - not retard - who can advise you. You need some support in the gym not on board
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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
you + training + good food + supplements = look "horrific"..
so imagine yourself without all these options??..
of course dont stop training and eating good food.. you may only stop buying supplements if you want to save some money..
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Stop immediately
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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
Quit the fucking whining and be consistent in your training and diet. You would look a loot worse if you didn't train.
MP
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Stop immediately
Schlaegst du auch Selbstmord vor?
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Schlaegst du auch Selbstmord vor?
Unbedingt - wenn schon, denn schon.
Wave kommt sicher zum Begraebnis.
Ich werde leider verhindert sein :)
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Unbedingt - wenn schon, denn schon.
Wave kommt sicher zum Begraebnis.
Ich werde leider verhindert sein :)
Glaub ich nicht. Verstoesst gegen seine Internetregeln...nicht mal fuer meine Beisetzung... :'(
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Saying you have horrible genetics, is a great way of keeping yourself from making big changes.
Ask yourself:
Have I eaten consistently for at least a year?
6 meals, 40g protein minimum per meal, up to 3lbs of chicken per day
Do I train hard 5x per week with no breaks for a few years?
Do I take in at least a gallon of water per day?
I'd be money, you can't say yes to the above. Let go of the THG theme and step up to the plate.
No drugs, real gains....you'd be surprised at how much you can change your physique.
Man up. ;)
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Saying you have horrible genetics, is a great way of keeping yourself from making big changes.
Ask yourself:
Have I eaten consistently for at least a year?
6 meals, 40g protein minimum per meal, up to 3lbs of chicken per day
Do I train hard 5x per week with no breaks for a few years?
Do I take in at least a gallon of water per day?
I'd be money, you can't say yes to the above. Let go of the THG theme and step up to the plate.
No drugs, real gains....you'd be surprised at how much you can change your physique.
Man up. ;)
this is toooo much!.. i hardly eat more than 100 g of protein per day!.. i believe it depends on his body weight..
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i always think that it can only become more worse then it already is, so i never quit.
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i always think that it can only become more worse then it already is, so i never quit.
I used to think that but getbig has shown me otherwise.
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Be a man, do the right thing.
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Be a man, do the right thing.
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this is toooo much!.. i hardly eat more than 100 g of protein per day!.. i believe it depends on his body weight..
No, over do it. At 170lbs or so, I at 3lbs of chicken per day, plus breakfast. Did that for well over a year, never missing a meal...presto, 30+lbs no drugs.
Most people don't man the fuck up and just take drugs, then lose it.
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Haha...tried all those...waste of time sadly... :-\
Je bent de Afrikaanse strijder!
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No, over do it. At 170lbs or so, I at 3lbs of chicken per day, plus breakfast. Did that for well over a year, never missing a meal...presto, 30+lbs no drugs.
Most people don't man the fuck up and just take drugs, then lose it.
I did both and gained 60lbs
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I did both and gained 60lbs
I think I might just go for the giving up option.... :-\
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No, over do it. At 170lbs or so, I at 3lbs of chicken per day, plus breakfast. Did that for well over a year, never missing a meal...presto, 30+lbs no drugs.
Most people don't man the fuck up and just take drugs, then lose it.
3 lbs of chicken per day!!!.. are you rich? ;D
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3 lbs of chicken per day!!!.. are you rich? ;D
LOL!
As if eating large amounts of food is indicative of wealth... at least not in the Western World you stinky Arab
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I did both and gained 60lbs
I started with the 3lbs of chicken, after 6 months back training weighing 170lbs from 150lbs.
So, 50lbs no drugs. ;)
Better than 10lbs from dbol, but still, not close to the same.
Drug gains are trash....period. To me, and most people.
Lose everything, then see what you can attain. ;)
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3 lbs of chicken per day!!!.. are you rich? ;D
3x $2.50 per pound. $50 per week?
Get a paper route. :D
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LOL!
As if eating large amounts of food is indicative of wealth... at least not in the Western World you stinky Arab
thx "animal"
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thx "animal"
$50 a week stretches your budget? hahaha you are destined to fail in bodybuilding my friend
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I started with the 3lbs of chicken, after 6 months back training weighing 170lbs from 150lbs.
So, 50lbs no drugs. ;)
Better than 10lbs from dbol, but still, not close to the same.
Drug gains are trash....period. To me, and most people.
Lose everything, then see what you can attain. ;)
If I ever reach 10%bf I will be 135-140lbs. How do you gain muscle without getting fat? I don't think it is possible. I have been slowly getting leaner. I don't want to be super fat.
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3x $2.50 per pound. $50 per week?
Get a paper route. :D
but dont you feel bored??.. i mean you have to put some meat and fish to break the routine!..
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$50 a week stretches your budget? hahaha you are destined to fail in bodybuilding my friend
i consume only around 100 g of protien per day and i am sure i look a way better than you!.. and you are so stupid to say that usd 50 affects my budget or not because you dont know the price of chicken in my country :-\
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i consume only around 100 g of protien per day and i am sure i look a way better than you!.. and you are so stupid to say that usd 50 affects my budget or not because you dont know the price of chicken in my country :-\
Everyone on this site looks better than me bro. I just never see their pictures. :D
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Everyone on this site looks better than me bro. I just never see their pictures. :D
How do you make solid muscle gains without getting fat? I don't think you can.
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Everyone on this site looks better than me bro. I just never see their pictures. :D
i posted more than 20 pics before!!.. are you new here?
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Deicide, You dont know the joy of livin in the present.
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i posted more than 20 pics before!!.. are you new here?
Sorry, never saw one.
I'm relatively new here. 4800 posts.
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Sorry, never saw one.
I'm relatively new here. 4800 posts.
Wow, I didnt know that my posts has surpassed the old croachs posts!! :o
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Deicide, You dont know the joy of livin in the present.
There is no joy with a horrible, fat, ugly physique like mine. Everything in life is made worse because of it.
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Deicide, You dont know the joy of livin in the present.
I tell him this alllllllllll the time, my friend.
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I tell him this alllllllllll the time, my friend.
If you looked as bad as I do, you would feel the same way...
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Sorry, never saw one.
I'm relatively new here. 4800 posts.
ok bro. i look ok (nothing immpressive).. here are a couple of pics:
1) 1999 (20 years old)
2) 2009 (30 years old)
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10 years busting your ass in the gym and dieting only to the same if not worse
natural bodybuilding is a failed concept
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If you looked as bad as I do, you would feel the same way...
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in that mirror pic. of yours you didnt look bad at all.. i really believed that the whole THG matter was just a joke!
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If you looked as bad as I do, you would feel the same way...
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Ok. So, you're a foregone conclusion. Agreed. Might as well sit back and enjoy life, then!? ;)
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10 years busting your ass in the gym and dieting only to the same if not worse
natural bodybuilding is a failed concept
i train only 3 time per week and i dont diet now at all.. just try to put some protien in each of my 2-3 meals!..
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Ok. So, you're a foregone conclusion. Agreed. Might as well sit back and enjoy life, then!? ;)
Can we say nonsequitor? :-\
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do I get my "pity party hat" for jumping in this thread??
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i train only 3 time per week and i dont diet now at all.. just try to put some protien in each of my 2-3 meals!..
100g per day, even when you're bulking, etc. Doesn't seem possible to transform a physique with that low intake.
To MAINTAIN a physique, takes much less.
I also don't eat very well these days, but years of 5+ meals per day, have transformed my physique. I couldn't have done it eating mediocre or lower calories. Just impossible.
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do I get my "pity party hat" for jumping in this thread??
(http://hoosieraccess.com/files/2008/08/party-hat.jpg)
You are a fucking asshole and a liar. You don't even go on the politics board. Ignorant git.
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100g per day, even when you're bulking, etc. Doesn't seem possible to transform a physique with that low intake.
To MAINTAIN a physique, takes much less.
I also don't eat very well these days, but years of 5+ meals per day, have transformed my physique. I couldn't have done it eating mediocre or lower calories. Just impossible.
Why are you afraid to answer my question?
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100g per day, even when you're bulking, etc. Doesn't seem possible to transform a physique with that low intake.
To MAINTAIN a physique, takes much less.
I also don't eat very well these days, but years of 5+ meals per day, have transformed my physique. I couldn't have done it eating mediocre or lower calories. Just impossible.
what about your bf%??.. any pictures?
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If you looked as bad as I do, you would feel the same way...
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If you come to Sandow gym, Paco will call you "Maricon".
In two weeks, He will organize The contest of Sandow gym. There, many new faces participate in the name of progress.
Some dont have even abs. But they are so positive and strive for their improvement.
Why? Cus in our gym, we put way more high value on the progress with hard work than the geneticaly bressed people who dont do any effort.
We always say, every people can make progress in the bbing.just there are difference in each individuals.
So if you dont make progress, its your faults. Not genetic.
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what about your bf%??.. any pictures?
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If you come to Sandow gym, Paco will call you "Maricon".
In two weeks, He will organize The contest of Sandow gym. There, many new faces participate in the name of progress.
Some dont have even abs. But they are so positive and strive for their improvement.
Why? Cus in our gym, we put way more high value on the progress with hard work than the geneticaly bressed people who dont do any effort.
We always say, every people can make progress in the bbing.just there are difference in each individuals.
So if you dont make progress, its your faults. Not genetic.
I wish I had pictures of myself before I started lifting and you would see I looked even worse.
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what about your bf%??.. any pictures?
Croach has very decent body.
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I wish I had pictures of myself before I started lifting and you would see I looked even worse.
Maybe you eat too much(with bad plan) to get big.
That makes you look worse.
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He has lost something.
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strong man!!.. i will try to consume 3 lbs of chicken per day from now on ;D
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Maybe you eat too much(with bad plan) to get big.
That makes you look worse.
If you have a hypercaloric diet you are going to get fat...period.
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I started with the 3lbs of chicken, after 6 months back training weighing 170lbs from 150lbs.
So, 50lbs no drugs. ;)
Better than 10lbs from dbol, but still, not close to the same.
Drug gains are trash....period. To me, and most people.
Lose everything, then see what you can attain. ;)
Agree 100%, Croatch. I made the best gains when I was eating somewhere between 300 - 400 gm of protein a day, although it was spread over 4 - 5 meals and at least one of them was just a shake. You recover faster and better, your Test levels, strength and mood are all elevated.
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Ok. You've convinced me. Giving up would be the right thing to do for you.
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Agree 100%, Croatch. I made the best gains when I was eating somewhere between 300 - 400 gm of protein a day, although it was spread over 4 - 5 meals and at least one of them was just a shake. You recover faster and better, your test and your strength and mood are all elevated.
And you are a perfect example of what everyone can achieve... ::)
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Ok. You've convinced me. Giving up would be the right thing to do for you.
Finally have some sense there...giving up is the first step, then just got to find the best way to off myself and I am set.
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nasser was eating 150 g protien in the offseason!!!.. genetics play an important role here..
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If you have a hypercaloric diet you are going to get fat...period.
Dont try to get big.
Just try to be decent.
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And you are a perfect example of what everyone can achieve... ::)
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I was referring to his point about increased protein intake having a positive influence on whatever gain you make. Some people here say that you don't need more than 100 gm of protein a day or whatever. But I think increasing protein intake does make a noticeable difference. Doesn't matter that we will both make different degrees of gains from the same program and diet schedule.
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Finally have some sense there...giving up is the first step, then just got to find the best way to off myself and I am set.
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Maybe David Carridine's death provides an example? Go out with a bang, so to speak.
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croatch is really talented
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Maybe David Carridine's death provides an example? Go out with a bang, so to speak.
Sadly, my death will bring little publicity. Any suggestions on how I could gain greater fame through an appropriately executed suicide? ???
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I was referring to his point about increased protein intake having a positive influence in whatever gain you make. Some people here say that you don't need more than 100 gm of protein a day or whatever. But I think increasing protein intake does make a noticeable difference. Doesn't matter what you do, you are a pathetic worm with horrifically bad genetics and will be lucky if you put on a single kg of muscle in a year; go kill yourself
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I can understand obsessive, but why be so dramatic about it, Deicide? Were you one of those guys who once dreamed of seriously competing in bodybuilding when you were very young? I ask because it seems to consume all of your thoughts 24/7.
Oh, and I bet you I could help you put on at least 5 kg of muscle within the first 6 weeks if we trained together.
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I can understand obsessive, but why be so dramatic about it, Deicide? Were you one of those guys who once dreamed of seriously competing in bodybuilding when you were very young? I ask because it seems to consume all of your thoughts 24/7.
Oh, and I bet you I could help you put on at least 5 kg of muscle within the first 6 weeks if we trained together.
No. I want to look good.
5kg in 6 weeks? You gonna give me some d-bol?
Too bad that ain't ever gonna happen ( I have tried 2 hour marathon workouts before, believe me, they don't work for me).
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nasser was eating 150 g protien in the offseason!!!.. genetics play an important role here..
And do you believe that ? That has nothing to do with genetic, it's just bullshit for those who love reading magazines.
Too bad that ain't ever gonna happen ( I have tried 2 hour marathon workouts before, believe me, they don't work for me).
It should work. Try to do your workout and then hit the cardio during 20-30 min while the major part of your glycogen is gone
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No. I want to look good.
5kg in 6 weeks? You gonna give me some d-bol?
Hell no, I don't know shit about drugs. I just judged that based on your pics and everything I've read about you from your posts. I think that you are capable of putting on 15 kg of muscle in about 2 - 2.5 years while dropping about 12 - 15 kg of fat in that time. Trust me, you will look very different if you do that. I know you are going to tell me you've tried various things (some of which I've read), but as far as I'm concerned, if I trained you and psyched you up, that's the kind of change you are capable of.
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Hell no, I don't know shit about drugs. I just judged that based on your pics and everything I've read about you from your posts. I think that you are capable of putting on 15 kg of muscle in about 2 - 2.5 years while dropping about 12 - 15 kg of fat in that time. Trust me, you will look very different if you do that. I know you are going to tell me you've tried various things (some of which I've read), but as far as I'm concerned, if I trained you and psyched you up, that's the kind of change you are capable of.
Well, either way it's not going to happen. If I am in the right position next year and can get it I will just juice with low dosage testosterone for a year to reach my natural limit and then stop.
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Quit the fucking whining and be consistent in your training and diet. You would look a loot worse if you didn't train.
MP
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Yeah...even worse. Scary.
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Well, either way it's not going to happen. If I am in the right position next year and can get it I will just juice with low dosage testosterone for a year to reach my natural limit and then stop.
WTF?
Why even bother low dose. IF you juice, do it right.
;D ;D ;D
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WTF?
Why even bother low dose. IF you juice, do it right.
;D ;D ;D
Because if you juice low dose over a long period of time and make gains slowly you will keep most of them, if you don't go over your natural limit.
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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
Not again!!!
Good grief!!! The only missing now is the chick flick and half-gallon of Rocky Road.
There's only one person impeding your path to a better physique. And, you'll find him in the nearest reflective surface.
No. I want to look good.
5kg in 6 weeks? You gonna give me some d-bol?
Too bad that ain't ever gonna happen ( I have tried 2 hour marathon workouts before, believe me, they don't work for me)
Then, do something else. That's how you succeed. If one method doesn't work, you try another. Once again, your goals are extremely VAGUE.
Furthermore, you DO NOT need D-bol, or any other anabolic steroids to put on 11 lbs in six weeks. As I asked on your other whinefest of a thread, WHAT is your current bodyweight? Where do you want it to be (realisitically) three months from now?
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Because if you juice low dose over a long period of time and make gains slowly you will keep most of them, if you don't go over your natural limit.
gh15 will disagree.
My opinion is that you need a solid base to keep your gains. All that "natural limit" stuff is bullshit though, after the first injection of test you have overcome that "natural limit".
Once you stop juicing, you will fall back to it, for some it's faster, for some it takes longer.
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Not again!!!
Good grief!!! The only missing now is the chick flick and half-gallon of Rocky Road.
There's only one person impeding your path to a better physique. And, you'll find him in the nearest reflective surface.
Then, do something else. That's how you succeed. If one method doesn't work, you try another. Once again, your goals are extremely VAGUE.
Furthermore, you DO NOT need D-bol, or any other anabolic steroids to put on 11 lbs in six weeks. As I asked on your other whinefest of a thread, WHAT is your current bodyweight? Where do you want it to be (realisitically) three months from now?
80kg. I want to get down to 65kg.
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Not again!!!
Good grief!!! The only missing now is the chick flick and half-gallon of Rocky Road.
There's only one person impeding your path to a better physique. And, you'll find him in the nearest reflective surface.
Then, do something else. That's how you succeed. If one method doesn't work, you try another. Once again, your goals are extremely VAGUE.
Furthermore, you DO NOT need D-bol, or any other anabolic steroids to put on 11 lbs in six weeks. As I asked on your other whinefest of a thread, WHAT is your current bodyweight? Where do you want it to be (realisitically) three months from now?
qft.
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gh15 will disagree.
My opinion is that you need a solid base to keep your gains. All that "natural limit" stuff is bullshit though, after the first injection of test you have overcome that "natural limit".
Once you stop juicing, you will fall back to it, for some it's faster, for some it takes longer.
No one knows but one thing is for sure, without trying it there is no way to know.
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80kg. I want to get down to 65kg.
Wow, you'll need a lot of test to do that. ::) ::)
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Wow, you'll need a lot of test to do that. ::) ::)
No, the test would be for after I reach 65kg. I would use it for solid 10kg of muscle at similar bf% levels.
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I have been thinking, given how horrific I look even with lifting weights I probably would only look marginally more horrific if I just stopped altogether. It obviously doesn't really make a difference and I guess I woul save money without spending it on food and supplements. No realy loss?
What do you think?
Discuss...
Stop whining you insecure bitch. Jesus. Why don't you try lifting hard for more than three months and see what happens? You sound like one of those fat retards that thinks they're going to look amazing a month after signing up on January 1st. Weren't you just talking about how much better you looked than the rest of the Eurotrash at the club you went to? You and your "woe is me" crap. ::)
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No, the test would be for after I reach 65kg. I would use it for solid 10kg of muscle at similar bf% levels.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP WHINING AND CRYING AND MAN THE FUCK UP??
Just get your stupid ass on a treadmill 6 times a week, get a good nutrition plan with more protein and a soid weightlifting program and you will look very good in 12 weeks MAX.
You cry all day yet cannot stay with a diet for more than a few weeks and don't do cardio. Just get your cheeks together and train like a man.
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Stop whining you insecure bitch. Jesus. Why don't you try lifting hard for more than three months and see what happens? You sound like one of those fat retards that thinks they're going to look amazing a month after signing up on January 1st. Weren't you just talking about how much better you looked than the rest of the Eurotrash at the club you went to? You and your "woe is me" crap. ::)
How much money do your parents shuttle you every month? Or is it as much as BZ wants?
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How much money do your parents shuttle you every month? Or is it as much as BZ wants?
WTF does that have to do with you not being able to stand through a year of training and diet?
Don't change the subject.
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How much money do your parents shuttle you every month? Or is it as much as BZ wants?
What does that have to do with anything? Look. 99.99% of people out there have shit bodybuilding genetics. Most of the people on this board have shit bodybuilding genetics. They do, however, have a much better work ethic than you. Cut the "woe is me" shit and try working out and dieting right. You get out of it what you put into it. You don't seem to want to put any effort in but want the results of someone who does. STFU.
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WTF does that have to do with you not being able to stand through a year of training and diet?
Don't change the subject.
Come on DK, you're not going to jump on the bandwagon of 'me not training hard bs' too? You know I do train hard. We have talked about this before.
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Come on DK, you're not going to jump on the bandwagon of 'me not training hard bs' too? You know I do train hard. We have talked about this before.
You're inconsistent with your diet and too afraid to do sth else.
I cannot understand why you wouldn't do more cardio. You want fatloss, obviously just dieting doesn't work with you. Then tell me WHY don't you do HIIT cardio 5-7 times a week? Because you're too lazy.
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the concept of "shit bodybuilding genetics" is flawed from the get go because you compare yourself to juiced up bodybuilders...
bodybuilding for the most part is an INDIVIDUAL pursuit where that leaves you compared to somebody else is irrelevant... that only comes into play when you step on stage which will never be the case for most bodybuilders...
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why do I have the feeling that when Deicide messes up cooking his breakfeast he says to himself, "god I give up, Im just going to kill myself"
this attention whoring to get other grown men to coddle you is pathetic and transperant
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why do I have the feeling that when Deicide messes up cooking his breakfeast he says to himself, "god I give up, Im just going to kill myself"
this attention whoring to get other grown men to coddle you is pathetic and transperant
You started this shit asshole!
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You're inconsistent with your diet and too afraid to do sth else.
I cannot understand why you wouldn't do more cardio. You want fatloss, obviously just dieting doesn't work with you. Then tell me WHY don't you do HIIT cardio 5-7 times a week? Because you're too lazy.
yes, just lose the fucking belly.
not everyone can look like a bodybuilder, but ANYONE can be ripped and in good shape.
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80kg. I want to get down to 65kg.
You're currently at 176 lb and you're trying to TRIM DOWN to 143??? ???
From all your previous complaints, I thought you were aiming for more size.
That would mean, per your comments on the other thread, that your protein intake is 160 grams per day.
The most obvious thing to adjust is your protein intake; it needs to go UP to at least 200 grams per day.
If dropping weight (bodyfat) is really your ambition, your carb level shouldn't exceed 200 grams a day.
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You're currently at 176 lb and you're trying to TRIM DOWN to 143??? ???
From all your previous complaints, I thought you were aiming for more size.
That would mean, per your comments on the other thread, that your protein intake is 160 grams per day.
The most obvious thing to adjust is your protein intake; it needs to go UP to at least 200 grams per day.
If dropping weight (bodyfat) is really your ambition, your carb level shouldn't exceed 200 grams a day.
No, I want to trim down and after trimming down try to gain some size. No point doing it when I am so fat.
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seriously bro-----you should start snorting Heroin or get a good pill habit going
what do you have to lose, your fat, have no muscle, cant sleep, crave the attention and coddling of random adult men and want to kill yourself
nothing a little Heroin and maybe an std or two couldnt fix :D
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the concept of "shit bodybuilding genetics" is flawed from the get go because you compare yourself to juiced up bodybuilders...
bodybuilding for the most part is an INDIVIDUAL pursuit where that leaves you compared to somebody else is irrelevant... that only comes into play when you step on stage which will never be the case for most bodybuilders...
Best post of this thread.
ALWAYS compare yourself to yourself.
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seriously bro-----you should start snorting Heroin or get a good pill habit going
what do you have to lose, your fat, have no muscle, cant sleep, crave the attention and coddling of random adult men and want to kill yourself
nothing a little Heroin and maybe an std or two couldnt fix :D
You don't know shit about me asshole.
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You don't know shit about me asshole.
I know everything
Im standing outside of your window right now
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No, I want to trim down and after trimming down try to gain some size. No point doing it when I am so fat.
Total BS, again.
You can gain muscle and lose fat, especially if you aim to do it over a longer time. Dieting away fat will also lead to fatloss.
Why don't you ask kyomu for help, he knows his stuff very well and he will help you anytime.
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I know everything
Im standing outside of your window right now
If you knew everything about me then you would know there is a lot more in my life than just the gym and what my physique may or may not be.
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If you knew everything about me then you would know there is a lot more in my life than just the gym and what my physique may or may not be.
Ahh yes, you have it so much rougher than the rest of the people on here. Oh, woe is Deicide!!!!
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If you knew everything about me then you would know there is a lot more in my life than just the gym and what my physique may or may not be.
you seriously have to relax.
Stop wondering about why you don't look like Ronnie Coleman and ask kyomu for a training plan and a diet. He'll make you look like Steve Reeves in less than 6 months.
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Ahh yes, you have it so much rougher than the rest of the people on here. Oh, woe is Deicide!!!!
Aren't you telling me all the time how pathetic my life is? Should I dig up the hundreds of posts where you say that?
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If you knew everything about me then you would know there is a lot more in my life than just the gym and what my physique may or may not be.
well than maybe if you logged off getbig and didnt ring up 16000+ posts about your fat sloppy body you could actually build a decent life and stop annoying the shit out of us all with your constant whining
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well than maybe if you logged off getbig and didnt ring up 16000+ posts about your fat sloppy body you could actually build a decent life and stop annoying the shit out of us all with your constant whining
You're an arrogant prick but I am sure you already know that.
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You're an arrogant prick but I am sure you already know that.
He has a certain point though. You should stop whining about how shity everything is and just MAKE IT BETTER.
Sitting around crying won't do shit, but getting up and doing sth is way better. Everytime you think i look like shit, you should do 1000 push ups and 100000 crunches, and you would be Mr Olympia 2011.
;D ;D ;D
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If I ever reach 10%bf I will be 135-140lbs. How do you gain muscle without getting fat? I don't think it is possible. I have been slowly getting leaner. I don't want to be super fat.
THG approved
No, I want to trim down and after trimming down try to gain some size. No point doing it when I am so fat.
First of all, define "so fat".
Second of all, you have a decision to make. Which is your top priority, SIZE or DEFINITION?
There’s a reason bodybuilders have “off-season” and “pre-contest” phases. In the real world, you get much better results when you concentrate on mass or concentrate on cuts.
Can you gain muscle mass AND lose bodyfat? YES!!! However, the process is exacting, leaving virtually NO ROOM for error. And even so, yields at best modest results.
Since you’re not quite that disciplined or patient to pull that off, your best bet is to focus on just one aspect, mass or cuts.
Pick one and base your diet and training accordingly.
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He has a certain point though. You should stop whining about how shity everything is and just MAKE IT BETTER.
Sitting around crying won't do shit, but getting up and doing sth is way better. Everytime you think i look like shit, you should do 1000 push ups and 100000 crunches, and you would be Mr Olympia 2011.
;D ;D ;D
Weisst du ueberhaupt woher das alles stammt? Es entstammt der staendigen Negativitaet, der man tagein tagaus hier bei getbig begegnet. Getbig zieht einen total runter, macht einen nieder und nimmt einem jede Hoffnung. Es ist ein Riesenclub, der nur fuer den Zweck existiert, andere fertigzumachen und einem das Gefuehl zu geben, er waere nicht besser als Hundescheisse. Du weisst, dass was ich sage, der absoluten Wahrheit entspricht. Willst du dies bestreiten?
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You're an arrogant prick but I am sure you already know that.
shall we all just tell you what you want to hear and feed that monster of excuse and despair you've been stroking
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shall we all just tell you what you want to hear and feed that monster of excuse and despair you've been stroking
You've been doing it since day one...why stop now. ::)
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Weisst du ueberhaupt woher das alles stammt? Es entstammt der staendigen Negativitaet, der man tagein tagaus hier bei getbig begegnet. Getbig zieht einen total runter, macht einen nieder und nimmt einem jede Hoffnung. Es ist ein Riesenclub, der nur fuer den Zweck existiert, andere fertigzumachen und einem das Gefuehl zu geben, er waere nicht besser als Hundescheisse. Du weisst, dass was ich sage, der absoluten Wahrheit entspricht. Willst du dies bestreiten?
If you can't stand the heat, get your ass out of the kitchen.
If it drags you down, you should either try not to take it so serious or you shouldn't log in.
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Your fat-phobia is unwarranted and, as mentioned earlier, I believe your actual priority is MASS.
I see no reason why you can’t slap on another 15-20 lbs just in time for football (NFL, that is ;D ) season.
No, you will NOT be ripped at that weight. But, with more mass, overall, and the strength that comes with it, I think you could live with the results.
You didn't mention your height by the way. Let's assume you're 5'7". At 200 lb, you'd look and feel a lot better (that's my take, anyway).
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Weisst du ueberhaupt woher das alles stammt? Es entstammt der staendigen Negativitaet, der man tagein tagaus hier bei getbig begegnet. Getbig zieht einen total runter, macht einen nieder und nimmt einem jede Hoffnung. Es ist ein Riesenclub, der nur fuer den Zweck existiert, andere fertigzumachen und einem das Gefuehl zu geben, er waere nicht besser als Hundescheisse. Du weisst, dass was ich sage, der absoluten Wahrheit entspricht. Willst du dies bestreiten?
Weisst du was das schöne an nem Forum ist??
Wems nicht passt, der kann gehen. ;D
Ich werd die Leute nie kapieren die extra in ein Forum kommen nur um zu sagen wie Sch... das Forum doch ist. :P
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Sadly, my death will bring little publicity. Any suggestions on how I could gain greater fame through an appropriately executed suicide? ???
Publicity was not the *bang* I was alluding to. You want 'fame!?' Can't help you there, bro.
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Publicity was not the *bang* I was alluding to. You want 'fame!?' Can't help you there, bro.
Attentionwhoring by killing yourself is really pathetic.
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Publicity was not the *bang* I was alluding to. You want 'fame!?' Can't help you there, bro.
Well, with a massacre you can get quite the publicity in a short period of time. Get a shotgun, step inside a school and shoot 15-20 people, after that kill yourself on the toilet.
I'll promise your name will be in the history books and on wikipedia.
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Well, with a massacre you can get quite the publicity in a short period of time. Get a shotgun, step inside a school and shoot 15-20 people, after that kill yourself on the toilet.
I'll promise your name will be in the history books and on wikipedia.
::) ::) ::)
Nice idea.
Maybe he should choose a bodybuilding show. Then he could scream "THG THG" while shooting all the guys on stage.
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::) ::) ::)
Nice idea.
Maybe he should choose a bodybuilding show. Then he could scream "THG THG" while shooting all the guys on stage.
Alternatively killing a celebrity or politician would be an option as well, would reduce the number of victims for his fame to one (and the few unlucky ones who wanna withhold him from the deed of course).
The name Lee Harvey Oswald is still known decades after Kennedys death.
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Alternatively killing a celebrity or politician would be an option as well, would reduce the number of victims for his fame to one (and the few unlucky ones who wanna withhold him from the deed of course).
The name Lee Harvey Oswald is still known decades after Kennedys death.
Good idea, Gordon Brown is done anyways, it wouldn'tdo much harm politically as well... ::) ::)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285713.msg4043490#msg4043490
I guess you were right yesterday, this is the right thread. Who knew
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Yup it's probably time to discard a toxic combo of defeatist attitude and idea of hard training that was never more than a concept. In lieu of meditation, yoga and plenty of healthy cardio! Lots of long sleeves and covering up this summer will help assuage memories of a stillborn project. :D
Synthol should be another THG option. :P
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Well, with a massacre you can get quite the publicity in a short period of time. Get a shotgun, step inside a school and shoot 15-20 people, after that kill yourself on the toilet.
I'll promise your name will be in the history books and on wikipedia.
Infamy!? He'll go down as the most hated man to post on Getbig, and that's saying something. Probably cause a host of problems for Ronaldo, too. Not cool. >:(
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Yup it's probably time to discard a toxic combo of defeatist attitude and idea of hard training that was never more than a concept. In lieu of meditation, yoga and plenty of healthy cardio! Lots of long sleeves and covering up this summer will help assuage memories of a stillborn project. :D
Synthol should be another THG option. :P
How about a bowflex?
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start juicing, I know I will in the near future.
THG turned into Team huge aryans!
Glad you have join the team
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Of course you shouldn't quit. You're in better shape than most guys and you got there with effort, so genetics really wasn't a factor at all.
If you're content to look worse than you do now for the rest of your life then quit, but you seem determined to make improvements.
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Weisst du ueberhaupt woher das alles stammt? Es entstammt der staendigen Negativitaet, der man tagein tagaus hier bei getbig begegnet. Getbig zieht einen total runter, macht einen nieder und nimmt einem jede Hoffnung. Es ist ein Riesenclub, der nur fuer den Zweck existiert, andere fertigzumachen und einem das Gefuehl zu geben, er waere nicht besser als Hundescheisse. Du weisst, dass was ich sage, der absoluten Wahrheit entspricht. Willst du dies bestreiten?
There's a lot of positivity on getbig. Many posts regarding your physique have been encouraging, no?
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You should give up weight lifting and take up running. Get super lean. Be healthy. Plus the women you meet on the jogging trails will be more mentally healthy than the whores you will meet in the gym.
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There's a lot of positivity on getbig. Many posts regarding your physique have been encouraging, no?
Jein, denn das Negative ueberwiegt das Positive bei weitem.
The good thing is all the negativity and hate makes me angry so I had some good lifts today.
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Jein, denn das Negative ueberwiegt das Positive bei weitem.
The good thing is all the negativity and hate makes me angry so I had some good lifts today.
Wrong approach, you'll get cancer this way.
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You should give up weight lifting and take up running. Get super lean. Be healthy. Plus the women you meet on the jogging trails will be more mentally healthy than the whores you will meet in the gym.
I won't give up. I am not a quitter, never have been and as someone said, if I didn't lift at all I would look worse. Just got to keep on trying. I had some good lifts today. :)
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Jein, denn das Negative ueberwiegt das Positive bei weitem.
Not true, show me a recent thread where this is the case.
The good thing is all the negativity and hate makes me angry so I had some good lifts today.
That's good.
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I won't give up. I am not a quitter, never have been and as someone said, if I didn't lift at all I would look worse. Just got to keep on trying. I had some good lifts today. :)
Good for you man, good luck on achieveing your goals. But I wouldn't consider giving up weight lifting to become a runner quitting, it's more like using a different mean to achieve the same ends.
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Not true, show me a recent thread where this is the case.
That's good.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285757.0
Real positive, huh? ::)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285757.0
Real positive, huh? ::)
how about this one?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285814.0
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how about this one?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285814.0
I don't follow you.
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I don't follow you.
a positive thread, on getbig.
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remember there is always beer.
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remember there is always beer.
I don't drink beer. I don't like it.
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remember there is always beer.
::) ::) ::)
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remember there is always beer.
Suicide is always an option.
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Suicide is always an option.
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I won't give up. I am not a quitter, never have been and as someone said, if I didn't lift at all I would look worse. Just got to keep on trying. I had some good lifts today. :)
Now that you appear to have some pep in your step, the question is what are your specific goals.
1) Where will you put your focus: Mass or Cuts?
2) What is your current height (you already mentioned your bodyweight, 176 lb).
3) What you do (reasonably) want your bodyweight to be in approximately three months (just in time for football season ;D )?
4) Your current diet/nutrition program: Number of meals, protein content, overall caloric intake.
5) Training frequency (example: Mine is 4 times a week, Upper Body - Monday and Thursday; Legs - Tuesday and Friday).
When you get those nailed down, you can plan accordingly and you're in business!! List them here and the GetBig brethren will help you out.
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Now that you appear to have some pep in your step, the question is what are your specific goals.
1) Where will you put your focus: Mass or Cuts?
2) What is your current height (you already mentioned your bodyweight, 176 lb).
3) What you do (reasonably) want your bodyweight to be in approximately three months (just in time for football season ;D )?
4) Your current diet/nutrition program: Number of meals, protein content, overall caloric intake.
5) Training frequency (example: Mine is 4 times a week, Upper Body - Monday and Thursday; Legs - Tuesday and Friday).
When you get those nailed down, you can plan accordingly and you're in business!! List them here and the GetBig brethren will help you out.
6) Stop being such a attention whore.
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Now that you appear to have some pep in your step, the question is what are your specific goals.
1) Where will you put your focus: Mass or Cuts?
2) What is your current height (you already mentioned your bodyweight, 176 lb).
3) What you do (reasonably) want your bodyweight to be in approximately three months (just in time for football season ;D )?
4) Your current diet/nutrition program: Number of meals, protein content, overall caloric intake.
5) Training frequency (example: Mine is 4 times a week, Upper Body - Monday and Thursday; Legs - Tuesday and Friday).
When you get those nailed down, you can plan accordingly and you're in business!! List them here and the GetBig brethren will help you out.
I want to lean out and slowly have been in fact. I want to see what I look like at 10% so that is my goal. I work out 3x a week and use HST because I have always had the best progress and strength maintenance and gains from it.
Today for example I did:
Dumbbell shoulder press x2
Weighted Pullups x2
Dumbbell chest press x2
Seated curls x2
Weighted Dips x2
Deadlifts x2
Bulgarian Split Squat x2
Weighted Crunches x2
Calf raises on stairs with extra weight x2
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a positive thread, on getbig.
;D
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;D
they exist, you just have to be open minded!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285708.0
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honestly its hard to not get down on your 'look' when you are so used to surfing bbing websites and all you see is the genetic pinnacle all the time enhanced by tons of drugs.
i passed a mirror just now in the bathroom -after browsing a thread with ronnie and gunter at a 2002 show- and as i glanced at the mirror i thought' god damn im narrow' and i looked like a tiny shit with no delts and i felt sad and inadequate. its just an illusion though, you cant compare yourself to these pro bber freaks in real life.
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honestly its hard to not get down on your 'look' when you are so used to surfing bbing websites and all you see is the genetic pinnacle all the time enhanced by tons of drugs.
i passed a mirror just now in the bathroom -after browsing a thread with ronnie and gunter at a 2002 show- and as i glanced at the mirror i thought' god damn im narrow' and i looked like a tiny shit with no delts and i felt sad and inadequate. its just an illusion though, you cant compare yourself to these pro bber freaks in real life.
spot on, that's why you should compare yourself to yourself and also you shouldn't laugh about the fact that most people think Brad Pitt and David Beckham are huge muscular guys.
If you're not competing, 99% of the population will say you're very muscular when you look like this:
(http://www.donyell.net/images/shower3a.jpg)
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spot on, that's why you should compare yourself to yourself and also you shouldn't laugh about the fact that most people think Brad Pitt and David Beckham are huge muscular guys.
If you're not competing, 99% of the population will say you're very muscular when you look like this:
(http://www.donyell.net/images/shower3a.jpg)
No one will believe me but people today were staring at me at my gym because I was doing dips with a 20kg dumbbell added. It's true people in the real world REALLy don't look like they work out at all.
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No one will believe me but people today were staring at me at my gym because I was doing dips with a 20kg dumbbell added. It's true people in the real world REALLy don't look like they work out at all.
when you're not on the internet, dips with 20kg added is pretty tough, on getbig people will laugh about you though.
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remember there is always brownies and pizza and sausage.
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Well, he would be considered "in shape", and this guy makes girls orgasm just by looking at him... ::) ::)
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/GB/FP1961~David-Beckham-Posters.jpg)
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when you're not on the internet, dips with 20kg added is pretty tough, on getbig people will laugh about you though.
What do think dips would be respectable with on getbig? 50kg? 100kg? ???
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Well, he would be considered "in shape", and this guy makes girls orgasm just by looking at him... ::) ::)
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/GB/FP1961~David-Beckham-Posters.jpg)
Mean and lean...
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What do think dips would be respectable with on getbig? 50kg? 100kg? ???
at least 100kg plus, if you count 10 reps or more.
a real getbigger wouldn't even start dipping without 200kg hanging from his erect penis.
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Mean and lean...
and about 65kg i would dare to say. :-X :-X :-X
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i picked up the box of Raiders of the Lost Ark the other day for the first time in a decade and when i saw the cover picture with Indy extending his arm holding the whip i laughed out loud and thought 'haha monster triceps', as a kid i was under the impression that Indy was a pretty tough strong man but now all could do was laugh at the 13 inch arm they were emphasizing as if he were strong.
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and about 65kg i would dare to say. :-X :-X :-X
That's my goal.... :)
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at least 100kg plus, if you count 10 reps or more.
a real getbigger wouldn't even start dipping without 200kg hanging from his erect penis.
LOL
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i picked up the box of Raiders of the Lost Ark the other day for the first time in a decade and when i saw the cover picture with Indy extending his arm holding the whip i laughed out loud and thought 'haha monster triceps', as a kid i was under the impression that Indy was a pretty tough strong man but now all could do was laugh at the 13 inch arm they were emphasizing as if he were strong.
Same with the old James Bond movies, i always thought James Bond was an elite athlete, now looking at Connery, Moore and the others except Craig you can just laugh about how unfit they look.
That's my goal.... :)
There you see how bad it looks, well not for the girls that is.
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Same with the old James Bond movies, i always thought James Bond was an elite athlete, now looking at Connery, Moore and the others except Craig you can just laugh about how unfit they look.
There you see how bad it looks, well not for the girls that is.
Well Debussey hat berechnet, dass ich bei 65kg etwa 9% KF haette, deswegen sage ich das.
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Sprechen Sie ENGLISH, bitte kthanks.
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Well Debussey hat berechnet, dass ich bei 65kg etwa 9% KF haette, deswegen sage ich das.
well, that only means you need more muscle.
Seriously, ASK kyomu.
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spot on, that's why you should compare yourself to yourself and also you shouldn't laugh about the fact that most people think Brad Pitt and David Beckham are huge muscular guys.
If you're not competing, 99% of the population will say you're very muscular when you look like this:
(http://www.donyell.net/images/shower3a.jpg)
Craig is on the sauce as well.
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well, that only means you need more muscle.
Seriously, ASK kyomu.
Of course I need more muscle but alles is step by step. One thing at a time. First get lean.
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Craig is on the sauce as well.
You are on the sauce.
Of course I need more muscle but alles is step by step. One thing at a time. First get lean.
No, waste of time. Build muscle and lose fat by building muscle.
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You are on the sauce.
No, waste of time. Build muscle and lose fat by building muscle.
We'll see. Anyway I just am trying to lean out for now....
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You are on the sauce.
True. Who told you? :-\
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True. Who told you? :-\
Das merkt man dir an....
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Das merkt man dir an....
Dann merkst du was falsches, ich habe mir nämlich schon über ein Jahr lang keine Spritze mehr in den Arsch gesteckt. ;)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=285757.0
Real positive, huh? ::)
I was talking about the thread you started with your recent pics.
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Dann merkst du was falsches, ich habe mir nämlich schon über ein Jahr lang keine Spritze mehr in den Arsch gesteckt. ;)
Einmal gestofft, niemals gestoppt.... ;)
Nein, im Ernst, wie lange und was hast du denn gestofft? :)
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True. Who told you? :-\
because for you every little tit is on the sauce, you probably look half as good as craig and need him on the sauce as an excuse for your shitty looks.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No, waste of time. Build muscle and lose fat by building muscle.
You won't lose fat by building muscle, the effect of a recompositioned body with more muscle but the same weight is insignificant as far as BMR goes.
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You won't lose fat by building muscle, the effect of a recompositioned body with more muscle but the same weight is insignificant as far as BMR goes.
It's a much better way to build muscle and do some cardio on the side to burn fat than to diet all the muscle away and then bulk it on again with some good fat gains.
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You won't lose fat by building muscle, the effect of a recompositioned body with more muscle but the same weight is insignificant as far as BMR goes.
I have never understood this claim:
Fat loss=hypocaloric diet
Muscle gain=hypercaloric diet
They are completely antithetical metabolic processes; muscle gain requires more than you burn and fat loss less.
Makes no sense to claim you can do both.
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It's a much better way to build muscle and do some cardio on the side to burn fat than to diet all the muscle away and then bulk it on again with some good fat gains.
Your ability to burn fat while gaining muscle is independent of cardio. Generally, opinions vary on recomposition vs. bulk-cut cycles as far as speed of avarage progress goes.
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because for you every little tit is on the sauce, you probably look half as good as craig and need him on the sauce as an excuse for your shitty looks.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Das Problem ist dass die meisten Leute von BB-Foren (einschließlich du anscheinend) so übersättigt sind mit Bildern von völlig künstlichen, bis unter die Schädeldecke vollgespritzen Körpern dass sie jeglichen Realitätsbezug verloren haben. Für dich sind die Top 6 vom Olympia-LineUp normale Menschen und jeder Andere ne Tiny Tit.
Rationell betrachtet könntest du dich mal im Schwimmbad umsehen wieviele Leute in Daniel Craigs Alter (40+) so einen Körper haben. ;)
Wenn du wüsstest wer aller stofft..... :)
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Your ability to burn fat while gaining muscle is independent of cardio. Generally, opinions vary on recomposition vs. bulk-cut cycles as far as speed of avarage progress goes.
Please address my above point.
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Please address my above point.
Two topics mixed up. I think DK's original point was that generally it is an advantage to have a higher LBM for fat loss, regardless of how you get there. This effect is however insignificant as long as the total body weight is equal in the end.
The other topic is recompositioning diets. It is very well possible to recomp on maintenance intake or even gain muscle on a very slow cut. Most experts however believe bulk-cut cycles to be faster.
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Two topics mixed up. I think DK's original point was that generally it is an advantage to have a higher LBM for fat loss, regardless of how you get there. This effect is however insignificant as long as the total body weight is equal in the end.
The other topic is recompositioning diets. It is very well possible to recomp on maintenance intake or even gain muscle on a very slow cut. Most experts however believe bulk-cut cycles to be faster.
You can build muscle on a cut and you also can lose fat in a bulk.
For the first, cardio would be a problem i would say, for the second cardio is a good help.
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Das Problem ist dass die meisten Leute von BB-Foren (einschließlich du anscheinend) so übersättigt sind mit Bildern von völlig künstlichen, bis unter die Schädeldecke vollgespritzen Körpern dass sie jeglichen Realitätsbezug verloren haben. Für dich sind die Top 6 vom Olympia-LineUp normale Menschen und jeder Andere ne Tiny Tit.
Rationell betrachtet könntest du dich mal im Schwimmbad umsehen wieviele Leute in Daniel Craigs Alter (40+) so einen Körper haben. ;)
Wenn du wüsstest wer aller stofft..... :)
Ist schon klar. Ich hab so viele Typen gesehen, die ganz krass alles moegliche in sich geballert haben, ohne dass sie so 'ausehen' wuerden. Stoff ist kein Wundermittel, obwohl viele Leute das glauben. Du brauchst hartes Training, gute Ernaehrung, um wirklichen Nutzen daraus zu ziehen.....
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Ist schon klar. Ich hab so viele Typen gesehen, die ganz krass alles moegliche in sich geballert haben, ohne dass sie so 'ausehen' wuerden. Stoff ist kein Wundermittel, obwohl viele Leute das glauben. Du brauchst hartes Training, gute Ernaehrung, um wirklichen Nutzen daraus zu ziehen.....
What about the Genetics? :D
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You can build muscle on a cut and you also can lose fat in a bulk.
Agreed.
For the first, cardio would be a problem i would say, for the second cardio is a good help.
I would have to see hard evidence for the second claim.
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You could lose muscle and gain fat at the same time by eating badly and not exercising. Stands to reason you can do the opposite.
Eat right and exercise and you really can't lose. You'll never look like a professional bodybuilder but you'll look better than everyone who is lazy and eats crap, and that's most people.
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I want to lean out and slowly have been in fact. I want to see what I look like at 10% so that is my goal. I work out 3x a week and use HST because I have always had the best progress and strength maintenance and gains from it.
Today for example I did:
Dumbbell shoulder press x2
Weighted Pullups x2
Dumbbell chest press x2
Seated curls x2
Weighted Dips x2
Deadlifts x2
Bulgarian Split Squat x2
Weighted Crunches x2
Calf raises on stairs with extra weight x2
You’re still missing a few items, namely your current bodyfat level, at 176 lb., your current dietary regime, and height.
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You’re still missing a few items, namely your current bodyfat level, at 176 lb., your current dietary regime, and height.
I guess I am 20%....
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I want to lean out and slowly have been in fact. I want to see what I look like at 10% so that is my goal. I work out 3x a week and use HST because I have always had the best progress and strength maintenance and gains from it.
Today for example I did:
Dumbbell shoulder press x2
Weighted Pullups x2
Dumbbell chest press x2
Seated curls x2
Weighted Dips x2
Deadlifts x2
Bulgarian Split Squat x2
Weighted Crunches x2
Calf raises on stairs with extra weight x2
That should be one of the problems you have. You need to rethink your training. Don't take offense but usually its for beginners
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That should be one of the problems you have. You need to rethink your training. Don't take offense but usually its for beginners
How so? Please explain more.
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I want to lean out and slowly have been in fact. I want to see what I look like at 10% so that is my goal. I work out 3x a week and use HST because I have always had the best progress and strength maintenance and gains from it.
Today for example I did:
Dumbbell shoulder press x2
Weighted Pullups x2
Dumbbell chest press x2
Seated curls x2
Weighted Dips x2
Deadlifts x2
Bulgarian Split Squat x2
Weighted Crunches x2
Calf raises on stairs with extra weight x2
No Flame - I really don't think this program is going to be effective. I can't see how anyone can put max effort into shoulder pressing, pullups, bench pressing, deadlifts and squats etc in one workout. You have got to be using small weights on most of these.
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No Flame - I really don't think this program is going to be effective. I can't see how anyone can put max effort into shoulder pressing, pullups, bench pressing, deadlifts and squats etc in one workout. You have got to be using small weights on most of these.
No, very heavy depending on the week. 15/12/9/6
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No, very heavy depending on the week. 15/12/9/6
Ok If you can bust out max weights on shoulder press and go max out on bench, deadlift and squat in one session then you sir are a genetic freak.
Team Genetic Freak approved.
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No Flame - I really don't think this program is going to be effective. I can't see how anyone can put max effort into shoulder pressing, pullups, bench pressing, deadlifts and squats etc in one workout. You have got to be using small weights on most of these.
haha of course you can... I wouldn't put squats and deadlifts in the same workout though
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haha of course you can... I wouldn't put squats and deadlifts in the same workout though
I cant see how anyone can possibly put maximum effort into several compound movements in one workout. A few yes, but weighted chins, weighted dips, bench pressing, shoulder pressing, deadlifting, squats etc all in one routine = not possible.
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LOL @ Don't give up, don't ever give up!
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I want to lean out and slowly have been in fact. I want to see what I look like at 10% so that is my goal. I work out 3x a week and use HST because I have always had the best progress and strength maintenance and gains from it.
Today for example I did:
Dumbbell shoulder press x2
Weighted Pullups x2
Dumbbell chest press x2
Seated curls x2
Weighted Dips x2
Deadlifts x2
Bulgarian Split Squat x2
Weighted Crunches x2
Calf raises on stairs with extra weight x2
Agreed with those who have said this is a terrible routine. Even though the sets on each exercise are few, you're limiting your lifting capacity by attempting so many compound movements in a single workout routine.
Why not try a more conventional lifting protocol for 2-3 months and see what happens with that? Not having seen your body type, I cannot suggest anything specific you could use to achieve your goals, but for a general program, the advice you've gotten on GetBig is spot-on - if you're doing back, do back...if you're doing chest, do chest...if you're doing legs, do legs.
Assuming one is already somewhat healthy, low-to-moderate intensity whole-body routines like yours are generally for women and older people who are just looking to maintain what they've got in terms of LBM.
You can still work out 3x/week, hitting each bodypart once per week. Since you're looking to trim fat, simply do cardio on 3 of your non-gym days. You could change your diet up a bit and go 30/50/20 (carbs-proteins-fats).
Every 2nd or 3rd workout for me is a light one where I really concentrate on each muscle being worked...I still stress and exhaust the muscle without putting unnecessary strain on my joints and connective tissues like I do on my heavy lifting days. A person could train that way for several months and significantly change his body composition, but I'm a bit of an ego lifter who likes seeing the numbers get bigger every week or so.
I know we're all individuals, but there's a reason why things considered tried and true really are tried and true. ;)
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I used to split up my Heavy compounds into different days, Squat day/deadlift on back day/ shoulder press and bench on chest.
Now I do
Squats, DL, bench press, shoulder press, all one the same fookin day brah, and I havnt had any negative effects from it.
But then again, instead of doing multiple sets of each exercise as I did before on the separate days, I now only do one set of each.
I reduced my training time from 3.40 hours a week to like 1 hour training a week (inlcuding warm ups) in the gym.
Therefore I think Deicides program is fine but I would reduce the sets, and allow about 5 mins rest between the same muscle groups before doing another set.
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Agreed with those who have said this is a terrible routine. Even though the sets on each exercise are few, you're limiting your lifting capacity by attempting so many compound movements in a single workout routine.
Why not try a more conventional lifting protocol for 2-3 months and see what happens with that? Not having seen your body type, I cannot suggest anything specific you could use to achieve your goals, but for a general program, the advice you've gotten on GetBig is spot-on - if you're doing back, do back...if you're doing chest, do chest...if you're doing legs, do legs.
Assuming one is already somewhat healthy, low-to-moderate intensity whole-body routines like yours are generally for women and older people who are just looking to maintain what they've got in terms of LBM.
You can still work out 3x/week, hitting each bodypart once per week. Since you're looking to trim fat, simply do cardio on 3 of your non-gym days. You could change your diet up a bit and go 30/50/20 (carbs-proteins-fats).
Every 2nd or 3rd workout for me is a light one where I really concentrate on each muscle being worked...I still stress and exhaust the muscle without putting unnecessary strain on my joints and connective tissues like I do on my heavy lifting days. A person could train that way for several months and significantly change his body composition, but I'm a bit of an ego lifter who likes seeing the numbers get bigger every week or so.
I know we're all individuals, but there's a reason why things considered tried and true really are tried and true. ;)
solid advice here.
Seriously, we have so many good people on this board, i think there are a few that would be able to come up with a training and diet plan for Deicide.
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Agreed with those who have said this is a terrible routine. Even though the sets on each exercise are few, you're limiting your lifting capacity by attempting so many compound movements in a single workout routine.
Why not try a more conventional lifting protocol for 2-3 months and see what happens with that? Not having seen your body type, I cannot suggest anything specific you could use to achieve your goals, but for a general program, the advice you've gotten on GetBig is spot-on - if you're doing back, do back...if you're doing chest, do chest...if you're doing legs, do legs.
Assuming one is already somewhat healthy, low-to-moderate intensity whole-body routines like yours are generally for women and older people who are just looking to maintain what they've got in terms of LBM.
You can still work out 3x/week, hitting each bodypart once per week. Since you're looking to trim fat, simply do cardio on 3 of your non-gym days. You could change your diet up a bit and go 30/50/20 (carbs-proteins-fats).
Every 2nd or 3rd workout for me is a light one where I really concentrate on each muscle being worked...I still stress and exhaust the muscle without putting unnecessary strain on my joints and connective tissues like I do on my heavy lifting days. A person could train that way for several months and significantly change his body composition, but I'm a bit of an ego lifter who likes seeing the numbers get bigger every week or so.
I know we're all individuals, but there's a reason why things considered tried and true really are tried and true. ;)
I really appreciate the advice but believe it or not my strength has gone up on this more than it ever did on splits. I have done both in the past but I usually return to HST. :) Check out what it says:
Hypertrophy-Specific Training™ arose out of the research looking at both the stimuli and mechanisms for muscle cell hypertrophy. Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST) is based on physiological principles of hypertrophy first discovered in the laboratory. These principles were then organized into a "method" of mechanically loading the muscle to induce hypertrophy. Of course, translating these principles into applicable methods (sets & reps & schedules) brings in some possibility of error. As the science continues to explore the exact mechanisms of muscle hypertrophy, this error will be whittled away.
I didn't start out knowing how muscles grew. After all, it is a process that cannot be observed with the naked eye. In the beginning I simply did what others were doing. Then, I began reading muscle magazines and buying books. Still, I wasn't able to achieve the level of muscularity I saw so prominently displayed in the magazines.
For about 10 years I trained with all the popular training styles. I made decent progress in the beginning but as time went by, I seldom saw changes in the mirror, at least not any I could get anyone else to notice. But I continued to pursue the art.
As I entered college and graduate school, I finally had access to real research that was only just then beginning to take form. The interest in muscle growth is fairly new in academic circles. As I began to explore the research, it became clear to me that the routines and traditions I was exposed to as a bodybuilder, were NOT based on physiological principles on a cellular level.
It was a "fantastic voyage" compared to the European inspired global view of training. At the microscopic level scientists were talking about things like "myogenic stem cells", "growth-factors", "mechanical loading", "synergistic ablation", "smeared Z-lines", "MAPk/ERK" and many other things hidden to the naked eye. All of these things were left out of the equation of traditional training routines.
As hypertrophy-specific research progressed in specificity it was clear that traditional training routines had stumbled across many important principles of load induced muscle hypertrophy, but because of their limited perspective (volume and intensity) they failed to capitalize on some critical truths exposed by research at the cellular level.
The principles of hypertrophy that HST is based on are as follows (not an exhaustive list):
1) Mechanical Load
Mechanical Load is necessary to induce muscle hypertrophy. This mechanism involves but isn't limited to, MAPk/ERK, satellite cells, growth factors, calcium, and number of other fairly understood factors. It is incorrect to say "we don't know how muscle grows in response to training". The whole point of the HST book is not to discuss HST, but to present the body of research explaining how hypertrophy occurs. Then HST becomes a relatively obvious conclusion if your goal is hypertrophy.
2) Acute vs. Chronic Stimuli
In order for the loading to result in significant hypertrophy, the stimulus must be applied with sufficient frequency to create a new "environment", as opposed to seemingly random and acute assaults on the mechanical integrity of the tissue. The downside of taking a week of rest every time you load a muscle is that many of the acute responses to training like increased protein synthesis, prostaglandins, IGF-1 levels, and mRNA levels all return to normal in about 36 hours. So, you spend 2 days growing and half a week in a semi-anticatabolic state returning to normal (some people call this recovery), when research shows us that recovery can take place unabated even if a the muscle is loaded again in 48 hours. So true anabolism from loading only lasts 2 days at best once the load is removed. The rest of the time you are simply balancing nitrogen retention without adding to it.
3) Progressive Load
Over time, the tissue adapts and becomes resistant to the damaging effects of mechanical load. This adaptation (resistance to the stimulus) can happen in as little as 48 hours (Repeated Bout Effect or Rapid Training Effect). As this happens, hypertrophy will stop, though neural and metabolic adaptations can and may continue. As opposed to hypertrophy, the foundation for the development of strength is neuromuscular in nature. Increases in strength from resistance exercise have been attributed to several neural adaptations including altered recruitment patterns, rate coding, motor unit synchronization, reflex potentiation, prime mover antagonist activity, and prime mover agonist activity. So, aside from incremental changes in the number of contractile filaments (hypertrophy), voluntary force production (i.e. strength) is largely a matter of "activating" motor units.
4) Strategic Deconditioning
At this point, it is necessary to either increase the load (Progressive load), or decrease the degree of conditioning to the load (Strategic Deconditioning). The muscle is sensitive not only to the absolute load, but also to the change in load (up or down). Therefore, you can get a hypertrophic effect from increasing the load from a previous load, even if the absolute load is not maximum, assuming conditioning (resistance to exercise induced micro-damage) is not to extensive. There is a limit to the number of increments you can add to increase the load. You simply reach your maximum voluntary strength eventually. This is why Strategic Deconditioning is required for continued growth once growth has stopped (all things remaining equal).
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html
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I trained shoulders today. I am slowly getting leaner. I shall overcome my genetic limitations.......
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I trained shoulders today. I am slowly getting leaner. I shall overcome my genetic limitations.......
Keep it up, webcke!
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Keep it up, webcke!
Thankyou my aryan bastard with muscles.
Placing too much emphasis on genetics = destined to fail. Even if genetics = everything.
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genetics = irrelevant to personal improvement
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genetics = irrelevant to personal improvement
true. Genetics can be overcome, in fact a lot of the genes in your body are altered when you change your habits.
Some genes are shut down, some become active.
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Thankyou my aryan bastard with muscles.
Placing too much emphasis on genetics = destined to fail. Even if genetics = everything.
Wise words young one.
I agree. I honestly believe that the majority of success is determined by genetics but since you can't change them at all you have to make the best of it and improve what you can.
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true. Genetics can be overcome, in fact a lot of the genes in your body are altered when you change your habits.
Some genes are shut down, some become active.
or you could just take anator-p70
(http://megafitzone.com/images/anatorp70orange.JPG)
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or you could just take anator-p70
(http://megafitzone.com/images/anatorp70orange.JPG)
Oh boy. :-\ :-X
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Oh boy. :-\ :-X
it says its clinically proven!
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it says its clinically proven!
I am going to run out and get it now! :o
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or you could just take anator-p70
(http://megafitzone.com/images/anatorp70orange.JPG)
Mars and I get Kegdrainer's mom to take that before she comes over to "serve" us.
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Equally tested and proven:
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Equally tested and proven:
lol
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Deicide do you do that split once a week?
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Deicide do you do that split once a week?
Which split? HST? No, 3x a week.
8 weeks=2 weeks 15 reps, 12, 9, 6...8-12 days off....start again.
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http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html
You dont trust company supplement and you trust these bullshit ?
Some websites talk about training with one rep / exercise in the same way with a lot of "scientific" text. That doesn't mean that's efficient
Its not because you increase your lift every weeks that it works. If my grandma lifted some weight and increased her lifts each weeks that didn't mean she would become muscular.
That kind of training seems to be a sort of cardio training, nothing more. Heavy weight or not doesn't matter if you don't shock your muscle
my 2 cents
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If my grandma lifted some weight and increased her lifts each weeks that didn't mean she would become muscular.
I'm pretty sure by the time she lifts 500lb she'll be muscular.
my 2 cents
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I guess I am 20%....
You forgot your current dietary regime and, since you've yet to mention your height, I'll assume you're 5'7".
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You forgot your current dietary regime and, since you've yet to mention your height, I'll assume you're 5'7".
5'8"...a bit taller...I suck at the American system these days though, 173.5 cm tall.
Usually 4-6 meals. Usually 50/50 protein shakes/real food.
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btw HST is a really really effective way of training
those with a religious affinity to their training protocols/beliefs need not apply
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5'8"...a bit taller...I suck at the American system these days though, 173.5 cm tall.
Usually 4-6 meals. Usually 50/50 protein shakes/real food.
This is the main reason why you don't progress as you want.
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btw HST is a really really effective way of training
those with a religious affinity to their training protocols/beliefs need not apply
I love HST. I get stronger on it and feel psychologically better, switched to it after months of a 4x split.
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This is the main reason why you don't progress as you want.
This seems like mythology to me. Protein is protein and the protein you get from shakes is the same if not better quality.
I know team only solid food will disagree but this works best for me, especially budget wise.
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This seems like mythology to me. Protein is protein and the protein you get from shakes is the same if not better quality.
I know team only solid food will disagree but this works best for me, especially budget wise.
That's not quite true, it's the same with vitamins. You get a lot more when you eat 400g of chicken breast compared to downing a big whey shake.
If you don't take advice, don' ask for it. You want people to help you yet come up with some bullshit excuse everytime something doesn't fit you.
If i was you, i'd try some of the advices that were given you. Eat more real food, change the training around a bit, do some fuckign cardio and see what happens. You are not competing, so if nothing, really nothing happens after 4-6 weeks, you can go back to what you are doing now.
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That's not quite true, it's the same with vitamins. You get a lot more when you eat 400g of chicken breast compared to downing a big whey shake.
If you don't take advice, don' ask for it. You want people to help you yet come up with some bullshit excuse everytime something doesn't fit you.
If i was you, i'd try some of the advices that were given you. Eat more real food, change the training around a bit, do some fuckign cardio and see what happens. You are not competing, so if nothing, really nothing happens after 4-6 weeks, you can go back to what you are doing now.
I would eat more real food if it weren't so expensive. Gonna finish up my HST cylce anyone, 2 more weeks to go then off to Germany/Luxembourg for a week off.
For record I have done many splits...I honestly don't find them to be as effective.
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5'8"...a bit taller...I suck at the American system these days though, 173.5 cm tall.
Usually 4-6 meals. Usually 50/50 protein shakes/real food.
This is the main reason why you don't progress as you want.
Based on what? My diet is quite similar (only my meal count is at 9 meals).
There's no way I can eat that much in solid food alone, especially at work. That's why I have my shakes during the busier part of my day.
My current diet looks like this (here are a few examples from last month):
26-May-09
Meal Protein Carbs Fat
(grams) (grams) (grams)
Mega MRP 40 20 2
Protein bar, Liver Tabs 30 40 5
Muscle Juice 2544 55 162 17
Lunch 40 40 10
Muscle Juice 2544 55 162 17
Salmon, Rice 55 50 10
Training Drink 0 20 0
Post-Workout Drink 60 77 4
(Anator P-70 w/Mega MRP)
Salmon, Green Beans 55 10 10
390 581 75
Total Calories: 4559
27-May-09
Meal Protein Carbs Fat
(grams) (grams) (grams)
Mega MRP 40 20 2
Protein bar, Liver Tabs 44 30 12
Muscle Juice 2544 55 162 17
Lunch 25 60 10
Muscle Juice 2544 55 162 17
Salmon, Rice 55 50 10
Training Drink 0 20 0
Post-Workout Drink 60 77 4
(Anator P-70 w/Mega MRP)
Salmon, Green Beans 55 10 10
389 591 82
Total Calories: 4658
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whey is far more bioavailable than chicken what the fuck are you talking about
even Dorian employed a solid meal/shake dieting strategy
eating 6 or 7 solid meals a day is no good
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whey is far more bioavailable than chicken what the fuck are you talking about
even Dorian employed a solid meal/shake dieting strategy
eating 6 or 7 solid meals a day is no good
Yes, but you two guys have solid meal plans, I think deicide tumbles around 1000 cals a day.
His whey shakes are burned like sugar.
Whey is perfect to boost protein breakdown because of the high amount of BCAA it contains, but that only makes sense when you alreday have enough amino acids in your blood from other sources.
When you try to LIVE on whey shakes, all the protein is wasted. If he would add some complex carbs and EFA to his whey shakes, the whole story would be a bit different.
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That's not quite true, it's the same with vitamins. You get a lot more when you eat 400g of chicken breast compared to downing a big whey shake.
If you don't take advice, don' ask for it. You want people to help you yet come up with some bullshit excuse everytime something doesn't fit you.
If i was you, i'd try some of the advices that were given you. Eat more real food, change the training around a bit, do some fuckign cardio and see what happens. You are not competing, so if nothing, really nothing happens after 4-6 weeks, you can go back to what you are doing now.
The key here, however, is SPEED and CONVENIENCE, especially when you're at work or school. A meal of chicken (and accompanying carbs) may take 30 minutes to consume. An MRP or weight-gainer shake will take 30 SECONDS to consume.
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The key here, however, is SPEED and CONVENIENCE, especially when you're at work or school. A meal of chicken (and accompanying carbs) may take 30 minutes to consume. An MRP or weight-gainer shake will take 30 SECONDS to consume.
I totally agree here with you, but even in that case, i tend to mix plain yoghurt with fruits, nuts and honey. That's convenient for me. I might add whey to boost the overall protein content and make it two servings.
The thing is, if you don't eat enough, the protein shakes will be just burned for energy and pissed out, you can also drink milk to have that. Protein shakes at the right times, i.e. between meals or post WO are good and also will help with the diet, but protein shakes INSTEAD of meals is a waste.
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I totally agree here with you, but even in that case, i tend to mix plain yoghurt with fruits, nuts and honey. That's convenient for me. I might add whey to boost the overall protein content and make it two servings.
The thing is, if you don't eat enough, the protein shakes will be just burned for energy and pissed out, you can also drink milk to have that. Protein shakes at the right times, i.e. between meals or post WO are good and also will help with the diet, but protein shakes INSTEAD of meals is a waste.
If you replace only the protein from solid meals with the protein from shakes, there is absolutely no difference. I think you compare two scenarious were more variables are changed at once.
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If you replace only the protein from solid meals with the protein from shakes, there is absolutely no difference. I think you compare two scenarious were more variables are changed at once.
Yes, but you cannot replace only the protein. It's impossible. FULL foods offer a much better approach than protein alone, i see the convenience issue, but taking a meal only consisting of protein is not good if you do it on a regular basis and for half of your meals.
If Deicide would replace two of his daily shakes with food, he'd have much less problems.
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I totally agree here with you, but even in that case, i tend to mix plain yoghurt with fruits, nuts and honey. That's convenient for me. I might add whey to boost the overall protein content and make it two servings.
The thing is, if you don't eat enough, the protein shakes will be just burned for energy and pissed out, you can also drink milk to have that. Protein shakes at the right times, i.e. between meals or post WO are good and also will help with the diet, but protein shakes INSTEAD of meals is a waste.
Here's where I disagree (sort of). My shakes are taken, instead of meals, in the sense that I need to consume a certain number of meals to make gains in size or strength. This means I either have to actually EAT (as in chew and swallow) all of those meals, or I can eat half and DRINK half of them. Based on my daily routine, the latter is more practical (and effective).
With that said, I agree with much of what you've posted. I should also note that it's taken nearly two days to pry Deicide's diet and training regime out of him. That's part of his problem.
He claims that he trains "hard" and eats "right". That says nothing. Until/unless he breaks downs the specifics, he won't know what to fix on either side of the equation and will make marginal progress, at best.
Plus, it is my opinion that Deicide really wants SIZE, moreso than definition. But, he's so afraid of being called "fat", that's he's convinced himself that whittling himself to 143 lb (at 5'8") is a better strategy. Even ripped, 5'8, 143 is borderline crackhead. And, I don't think that's the look he deisres.
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Yes, but you cannot replace only the protein. It's impossible. FULL foods offer a much better approach than protein alone, i see the convenience issue, but taking a meal only consisting of protein is not good if you do it on a regular basis and for half of your meals.
If Deicide would replace two of his daily shakes with food, he'd have much less problems.
You can easily get all required nutrition (micros, fiber, EFAs, etc.) while getting most of your protein from shakes. Please explain why this should not be possible? And what scientific basis do you have for your statement on meals consisting of protein only?
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11 pages!? Haven't you given up, yet? ;D
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You can easily get all required nutrition (micros, fiber, EFAs, etc.) while getting most of your protein from shakes. Please explain why this should not be possible? And what scientific basis do you have for your statement on meals consisting of protein only?
Are some of you talking about MRP shakes and some mainly Protein shakes?
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Are some of you talking about MRP shakes and some mainly Protein shakes?
My statement was referring to protein shakes.
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You can easily get all required nutrition (micros, fiber, EFAs, etc.) while getting most of your protein from shakes. Please explain why this should not be possible? And what scientific basis do you have for your statement on meals consisting of protein only?
Yup. Made some of the best gains in my life where the majority of my protein was shake based. Always have at least one solid meal though...
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Here's where I disagree (sort of). My shakes are taken, instead of meals, in the sense that I need to consume a certain number of meals to make gains in size or strength. This means I either have to actually EAT (as in chew and swallow) all of those meals, or I can eat half and DRINK half of them. Based on my daily routine, the latter is more practical (and effective).
With that said, I agree with much of what you've posted. I should also note that it's taken nearly two days to pry Deicide's diet and training regime out of him. That's part of his problem.
He claims that he trains "hard" and eats "right". That says nothing. Until/unless he breaks downs the specifics, he won't know what to fix on either side of the equation and will make marginal progress, at best.
Plus, it is my opinion that Deicide really wants SIZE, moreso than definition. But, he's so afraid of being called "fat", that's he's convinced himself that whittling himself to 143 lb (at 5'8") is a better strategy. Even ripped, 5'8, 143 is borderline crackhead. And, I don't think that's the look he deisres.
As I said, I am dedicated to getting lean now. I am already fat at 20%, what is the point of going even higher? I feel disgusting like that; I know because I have been there.
These past weeks I have been making good progress in the gym, strength is going up on HST. At the moment I don't have any real complaints.
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As I said, I am dedicated to getting lean now. I am already fat at 20%, what is the point of going even higher? I feel disgusting like that; I know because I have been there.
These past weeks I have been making good progress in the gym, strength is going up on HST. At the moment I don't have any real complaints.
Then, why did you start this thread (or any of the others)?
If those pics of yours on another thread are accurate, you are hardly "fat". And, that's one of the issues here.
Whittling yourself to 143 and thinking that you're going to later regain pure muscle mass (to a large degree) is a bad idea.
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Then, why did you start this thread (or any of the others)?
If those pics of yours on another thread are accurate, you are hardly "fat". And, that's one of the issues here.
Whittling yourself to 143 and thinking that you're going to later regain pure muscle mass (to a large degree) is a bad idea.
Bbing fat=no abs or worse, yes, still fat. I guess this thread got started as a part of a meltdown. I think a bulk can be better controlled if starting from low bf imo.
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As I said, I am dedicated to getting lean now. I am already fat at 20%, what is the point of going even higher? I feel disgusting like that; I know because I have been there.
These past weeks I have been making good progress in the gym, strength is going up on HST. At the moment I don't have any real complaints.
You definitely are a bit more relaxed today. Don't let this place mess with your head, Deicide - trust me, I know what I'm talking about 8) :-X ;D
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You definitely are a bit more relaxed today. Don't let this place mess with your head, Deicide - trust me, I know what I'm talking about 8) :-X ;D
I doubt it. You and I are forever separated by our teams, polar opposites...
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Why is the shape so important to you, Deicide? Why do you let it pull yourself down so badly?
Isn't it ridicolous to define you self esteem solely on the % of BF you have? Maybe you should face that you're not born for that shit and point blank. I'm sure you got other talents, finde em.
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Bbing fat=no abs or worse, yes, still fat. I guess this thread got started as a part of a meltdown. I think a bulk can be better controlled if starting from low bf imo.
But, unless you've competed in the past at some show, of which we're not aware, you aren't a bodybuilder. Again, you're too worried about being called "bodybuilding fat". Heck, even bodybuilders (by and large) aren't ripped year round.
If you're going to go through the rigors of getting ripped, put some meat your bones FIRST. You'll get the results you ULTIMATELY seek significantly faster that way.
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Why is the shape so important to you, Deicide? Why do you let it pull yourself down so badly?
Isn't it ridicolous to define you self esteem solely on the % of BF you have? Maybe you should face that you're not born for that shit and point blank. I'm sure you got other talents, finde em.
Das ist wahr. Nicht jeder kann ein maechtiger Affemann sein! ;)
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But, unless you've competed in the past at some show, of which we're not aware, you aren't a bodybuilder. Again, you're too worried about being called "bodybuilding fat". Heck, even bodybuilders (by and large) aren't ripped year round.
If you're going to go through the rigors of getting ripped, put some meat your bones FIRST. You'll get the results you ULTIMATELY seek significantly faster that way.
Well, when I was younger I pretty obese and I have never seen my abs so I guess it is kind of a personal goal in a way.
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Bodybuilding ist kein Sport, wie viele meinen. Es ist eine Lebensphilosophie, die überhaupt nichts mit Fitness zu tun hat, sondern im Grunde krankhaft ist. Krankhaft deswegen, weil es sich um eine Zwangsstörung handelt, ähnlich einer Essstörung wie der Anorexie oder Bulimie. Der “Philosophie“ des Bodybuilding liegt ein übersteigerter Narzissmus zugrunde, der von einer muskeldysmorphen Störung (sog. Muskeldysmorphie, nicht gleichzusetzen mit Muskeldysmorphophobie) gekennzeichnet ist - unabhängig davon, ob man Bodybuilding wettkampfmäßig betreibt oder “nur für sich“. Die Muskeldysmorphie kann man als “Muskelsucht“ übersetzen. Man nennt sie neuerdings auch Bigorexie (quasi als Gegenstück zur Anorexie), Frau Prof. Mangweth geht in Ihrem Buchbeitrag noch näher darauf ein.
Das, was Bodybuilder beim “Wettkampf“ auf der Bühne aufführen, das sog. “Posen“, sprich das Zur-Schaustellen ihrer Muskulatur, ist nichts als eine (wie ich finde, lachhafte) Show muskelsüchtiger Freaks, deren Mittelpunkt ihrer Lebensinteressen im Querschnitt und in der Definition ihrer Muckis liegt. Alles andere ist zweitrangig - soziale Kontakte, Beruf und sogar die Familie. Mit einem noch akzeptablen Narzissmus (Ich nenne es “gesunde Eitelkeit“) hat das nichts mehr zu tun. Vielmehr ist es eine schwere Zwangsstörung.
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Post pics of ur friends asian gf???
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Naja. Das ist irgendeine besserwissende Frau... ::) ;D
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At your size, you can get from 20% bf to 'visible abs' in 2-3 weeks.
Although I'm currently taking half my protein in shakes, too, I'm a bigtime food advocate and would prefer to get another real meal in. On days when that's possible, that's what I do.
Because I still do some snacking, I don't do full meal replacement shakes...I use the zero-carb Isopure from Nature's Best, which contains the BCAAs I need. I'll have one at 7am, PWO (varies), and bedtime. Sometimes I'll even add a 4th if it's too inconvenient to eat when I'm out or at my daughter's house.
I recently increased my protein from 200-240/day up to 300-350/day and WOW, my desire for snacks has been greatly reduced. I'm not going to see an immediate drop in bf, though, as my caloric intake is about the same, but if I can maintain this, over time, the increase in LBM and reduced cortisol release should help me, even without daily cardio.
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At your size, you can get from 20% bf to 'visible abs' in 2-3 weeks.
Although I'm currently taking half my protein in shakes, too, I'm a bigtime food advocate and would prefer to get another real meal in. On days when that's possible, that's what I do.
Because I still do some snacking, I don't do full meal replacement shakes...I use the zero-carb Isopure from Nature's Best, which contains the BCAAs I need. I'll have one at 7am, PWO (varies), and bedtime. Sometimes I'll even add a 4th if it's too inconvenient to eat when I'm out or at my daughter's house.
I recently increased my protein from 200-240/day up to 300-350/day and WOW, my desire for snacks has been greatly reduced. I'm not going to see an immediate drop in bf, though, as my caloric intake is about the same, but if I can maintain this, over time, the increase in LBM and reduced cortisol release should help me, even without daily cardio.
Your age? Are you natural?
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At your size, you can get from 20% bf to 'visible abs' in 2-3 weeks.
How?
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How?
Jesus.... ;D
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Your age? Are you natural?
38, lifelong natural...used some prohormones back in 1999-2000 and taking OTC tren now.
With the exception of working out, I'm behind my desk most of the day.
...How?
90min - 2 hours of cardio per day with keto diet. Oh, and don't forget the daily ab work.
I'm not saying he'll be ripped in 2-3 weeks, but he'll see his abs.
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At your size, you can get from 20% bf to 'visible abs' in 2-3 weeks.
Although I'm currently taking half my protein in shakes, too, I'm a bigtime food advocate and would prefer to get another real meal in. On days when that's possible, that's what I do.
Because I still do some snacking, I don't do full meal replacement shakes...I use the zero-carb Isopure from Nature's Best, which contains the BCAAs I need. I'll have one at 7am, PWO (varies), and bedtime. Sometimes I'll even add a 4th if it's too inconvenient to eat when I'm out or at my daughter's house.
I recently increased my protein from 200-240/day up to 300-350/day and WOW, my desire for snacks has been greatly reduced. I'm not going to see an immediate drop in bf, though, as my caloric intake is about the same, but if I can maintain this, over time, the increase in LBM and reduced cortisol release should help me, even without daily cardio.
You can have "visible abs" at 20% bodyfat. It all depends on how your bodyfat is distributed on your frame.
I can see my abs, no problem. However, my struggles are keeping the "love handles" in check (especially, when trying to put on mass).
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38, lifelong natural...used some prohormones back in 1999-2000 and taking OTC tren now.
With the exception of working out, I'm behind my desk most of the day.
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90min - 2 hours of cardio per day with keto diet. Oh, and don't forget the daily ab work.
I'm not saying he'll be ripped in 2-3 weeks, but he'll see his abs.
Bye Bye muscles and strength... ;D
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90min - 2 hours of cardio per day with keto diet. Oh, and don't forget the daily ab work.
I'm not saying he'll be ripped in 2-3 weeks, but he'll see his abs.
Are you serious?
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Are you serious?
LOL. With a net loss of 6kg of muscle mass and -10kg on all lifts... ;D
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You can have "visible abs" at 20% bodyfat. It all depends on how your bodyfat is distributed on your frame.
I can see my abs, no problem. However, my struggles are keeping the "love handles" in check (especially, when trying to put on mass).
I agree, 2-3 weeks won't make any significant difference though when at 20% bodyfat to begin with.
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I agree, 2-3 weeks won't make any significant difference though when at 20% bodyfat to begin with.
I am a fat bastard... ;D
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Bye Bye muscles and strength... ;D
You said you wanted to be lean.
If you're concerned about your mass, up your total calories, and adjust your ratios, dropping your carbs to 20-25%.
This stuff is all tweakable. I merely gave you a quick fix.
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You said you wanted to be lean.
If you're concerned about your mass, up your total calories, and adjust your ratios, dropping your carbs to 20-25%.
This stuff is all tweakable. I merely gave you a quick fix.
I think the goal of any diet is to preserve maximum of muscle mass with a maximum loss of fat...no? I am making slow progress but that is ok, not super rushed or anything.
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I suggest Deicide tweaks his 'steady state' a bit, drop a few calories from the diet, train hard and do some cardio ( not the treadmill crap; outside, fresh air, tabata style, intervals, whatever).
He'll slowly lose fat while still being able to keep building muscle.
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I think the goal of any diet is to preserve maximum of muscle mass with a maximum loss of fat...no? I am making slow progress but that is ok, not super rushed or anything.
Not quite! That's why bodybuilders have "off-season" and "pre-contest" diets.