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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: aliamini on September 03, 2009, 07:52:42 AM
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I wrote this before the Arnold Classic … I tried to make it very easy to understand & sufficient
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm
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I wrote this before the Arnold Classic … I tried to make it very easy to understand & sufficient
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm
talk about underplaying its role in bb ::)
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so you recomend to shoot post workout ?......
how does everyone else use it, i always shot before bed and upon awakening,,,,,,,,,and if i had a lot, in the afternoon too..
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so you recomend to shoot post workout ?......
how does everyone else use it, i always shot before bed and upon awakening,,,,,,,,,and if i had a lot, in the afternoon too..
everyone has his own protocol ... but a lot fail in explaining why ... i explained in teh article and chek out the lasted heavy muscle radio where i explain it as well with Dave Palumbo who does it the other way ... great opinions sharing ... i would like to c more of that
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show.html
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Next time use references, anyone can make claims. Robson should receive a lead pipe in the neck for crappy for comma abuse!
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hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.
where are you getting this stuff??
"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."
GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."
"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.
Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."
However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."
"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.
"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.
im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.
aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject
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aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject
Dearest tdongz,
Please take your own advice and STFU.
Best regards,
Getbig
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Dearest tdongz,
Please take your own advice and STFU.
Best regards,
Getbig
do you even know what igf is abbreviated for ? lol... chaos go back to being an ugly cone headed kankle having idiot.
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do you even know what igf is abbreviated for ? lol... chaos go back to being an ugly cone headed kankle having idiot.
Admit it, you typed this with a lisp, didn't you?
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Admit it, you typed this with a lisp, didn't you?
lol! im more man than you will ever be, dumbass
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lol! im more man than you will ever be, dumbass
That's it, throw your hands up in a roid rage and smash that keyboard!! hahaha
If taking cock in the ass and calling it a "deep tissue massage" means you are more of a man than me, then yes, yes you are, fag.
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There is definitely a relationship between insulin and hgh. I once had to take an insulin sensitivity test where they inject insulin directly in a vein in one arm and dextrose in a vein in another. As soon as they injected the insulin it didn't take long for me to start to black out where upon they immediately injected dextrose that brought me back to life. On the computer read out it showed that as my blood sugar dropped my HGH levels increased. It seemed to be inversely proportional. The lower the blood sugar the higher the HGH release.
The procedure was considered risky and I had to sign waivers and there were two nurses and a doctor present the whole time the test was being done.
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That's it, throw your hands up in a roid rage and smash that keyboard!! hahaha
If taking cock in the ass and calling it a "deep tissue massage" means you are more of a man than me, then yes, yes you are, fag.
HAHAHAHA, the back and forth between you two is always hillarious.
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hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.
where are you getting this stuff??
"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."
GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."
"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.
Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."
However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."
"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.
"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.
im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.
aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject
This was actually the most hilarious part … cause no way in hell u can be serious with these comments … however if you are double check with an endocrinologist and u will get ur answer
But really man … u r funny
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As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.
So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.
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As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.
So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.
Slin drives blood sugar down taking it out of your blood stream and putting it into your muscles its like a key of sort unlocking the muscle to let the sugar in.Thats very interesting that as you went low your naural hgh increased. :)
Guys that take higher amounts of HGH via injection tend to make there own insulin less effective as it becomes "sluggish" a term that is often refered to as insulin sensitivity..once a BB introduces an external form of slin it becomes like chucking fuel onto the fire..
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everyone has his own protocol ... but a lot fail in explaining why ... i explained in teh article and chek out the lasted heavy muscle radio where i explain it as well with Dave Palumbo who does it the other way ... great opinions sharing ... i would like to c more of that
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show.html
we'd like to see more pics of you...you're an internet star :)
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Slin drives blood sugar down taking it out of your blood stream and putting it into your muscles its like a key of sort unlocking the muscle to let the sugar in.Thats very interesting that as you went low your naural hgh increased. :)
Guys that take higher amounts of HGH via injection tend to make there own insulin less effective as it becomes "sluggish" a term that is often refered to as insulin sensitivity..once a BB introduces an external form of slin it becomes like chucking fuel onto the fire..
Yes, that's what they were testing for. Insulin sensitivity. When I told the nurse that I felt like a wimp because I passed out so quickly she told me that was good. She said that she has injected double the amount on some people and it didn't phase them. They were, or were on their way, to being a type 2 diabetic.
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As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.
So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.
They must have been looking for GH deficiency with that test. This is the way adult GHD is diagnosed (among other provocation agents, etc). AFAIK, insulin is not injected when testing glucose tolerance (insulin sensitivity). Well, they do sometimes but it's done another way. And why would GH levels have been part of the test anyway, if it was just a GTT. I could be wrong though.
Yes, inducing hypo will increase GH and some renegades have played with insulin this way.
I don't know about BG being low at night having that much to do with GH released during sleep. It's more the sleep stages me thinks. Plus GH pulses throughout the day anyway, with the nightly surge being a bit higher.
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This was actually the most hilarious part … cause no way in hell u can be serious with these comments … however if you are double check with an endocrinologist and u will get ur answer
But really man … u r funny
Do you have any reference for these points. I genuinely interested.
"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works."
Will a person injecting insulin produce less GH total per day? I suspect not. Same with the thyroid. Mostly because it hasn't been researched, plus bodybuilders often only do 1-2 shots of short acting Humalog a day. I don't see how it would have an impact but am not sure.
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Do you have any reference for these points. I genuinely interested.
Will a person injecting insulin produce less GH total per day? I suspect not. Same with the thyroid. Mostly because it hasn't been researched, plus bodybuilders often only do 1-2 shots of short acting Humalog a day. I don't see how it would have an impact but am not sure.
hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.
where are you getting this stuff??
"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."
GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."
"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.
Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."
However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."
"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.
"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.
im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.
aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject
Of course man … u r never sure … u just want to argue … y don’t u guys do ur research before posting here!!!
Why would I need references … all that I mentioned is what was discovered by endocrinologists & pharmacologists … except for the part of how to use GH & I explained y I do the way I do … so u can double chek that with an endocrinologist near u
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Of course man … u r never sure … u just want to argue … y don’t u guys do ur research before posting here!!!
Why would I need references … all that I mentioned is what was discovered by endocrinologists & pharmacologists … except for the part of how to use GH & I explained y I do the way I do … so u can double chek that with an endocrinologist near u
Why would you need references? Because you are talking out of your ass, that's why. Here you have a perfect chance to show me what a fool I am before everyone. You can't do it.
You want to talk about personal experience? Fine.
You want to talk about supposed facts discovered by endocrinologists and pharmacologists? Not fine when it's all bullshit that no endo would ever say or claim.
Go ahead, make me a fool and show evidence that a daily post-workout shot of Humalog will dramatically drop my thyroid levels or GH levels. This is common knowledge apparently, since any endo would back you up.
And I need to do my research? ::)
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aliamini, everything i bolded is innacurate dude.
first off, timing is crucial? actually, timing doesnt matter in the slightest. and if it did matter, and likeyou said it should be post workout... well then your still wrong, because to have gh postworkout, you wouldnt take it postworkout, you would have to take into account the lag time to peak levels, which means you would be using it a few hours before your workout in order for it to function as a postworkout.
as powerful as test for protein synthesis? please. aliamini its been shown numerous times that androgens are far superior for gains in muscle mass
igf is the most potent derivative? thats guess work aliamini. with gh being involved in hundreds of different known growth factors, and probably thousands of unkown as well, there is no way to make such a statement.
low insulin lets gh work better? well, yes gh and insulin are metabolic opposites as far as their effects on fat and glucose metabolism, but that doesnt in anyway signify that insulin needs be low for gh to be optimal effect. in fact, the two are most likely synergfestic is peaked at tyhe same time. whil insulin does speed gh clearence, it also helps to make the body react better to it
main action is liver igf1? ? ? of really...lmao...aliamini if you followed endocrinbology erven in the slightest, you would know that liver igf-1 is pretty much useless for gains in muscle size. now, locally produced igf-1 found in muscle tissue, that is probably the most potent effect.
the liver can only work with 3-4 iu at a time? thats completely pulled out of your ass and theres no scientific basis for it at all.
im just starting out, i took a few minutes to write that up for you. you=my bitch
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its about goddamn time i start getting paid for this shit
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Ali is a small little bitch who sells drugs to bodybuilders, he says its the bodybuilders fault that ABBF officials are corrupt because the bodybuilders are stupid and they deserve it ::)
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Ali is a small little bitch who sells drugs to bodybuilders, he says its the bodybuilders fault that ABBF officials are corrupt because the bodybuilders are stupid and they deserve it ::)
Sounds like a Chick qoute to me. ;)
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Oh my god … if u listened to the raion show u would have got all of those answers. & I have mentioned how to take GH when u take insulin … but seems u didn’t read it … if u guys read without fude uw ill learn everything and it will make sense … but u guy just wan to attack … and that hurt my feeling … NOT ;D ;D ;D
Who compared GH with testosterones androgen effect … I said their properties for stimulating the protein synthesis … man … did u even read the article???
I swear … If u guys read the article more than once without taking it personal u will get all of ur answers … or even better why don’t u guys double chek with a endocrinologists
Y is 3-4iu of GH at a time … ask a pharmacologists who has been in the business for a while and he will tell u
Ur not arguing with me about my opinions or recommendations … u all argue about how the medical community agrees on how body works after all their work
Van_Bilderass: has researches … yes man keep it up u will reach ur goal one day … if u ever know what it is
tbombz: man u r still the funniest guy in my opinion … u should get paid for ur comedy … ever thought of doin stand ups 8)
Schmoe Buster: I love u too :-*
now to get serious … u guys do ur research as I wont do anyone's else's home work … I have enough work that I am barely keeping up with … I actually have a life
grow up guys and read the article well & listen to the show without being bias to ur false opinions ….
This is what keeps me in getbig … great guy like u 2 who think they are legends in their own minds "The Kamali Quote"
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Ali if it all works so well How come you look like SHIT??? ::)
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Ali if it all works so well How come you look like SHIT??? ::)
This question needs answering
Ali I will not dispute your knowledge but I question your ethics and morals, you advise and sell drugs to bodybuilders who behind their back you call stupid and say are deserving of the corruption and bribery instigated by the rats like Chua and Chan, you seem to have a lot in common with these two, indeed all three of you look like you have never worked out yet you seem rightous in your positions as presidents,chairmans,"guru", drug dealer, I say all three of you morons go try to train like a bodybuilder instead of trying to get rich by swindling a bunch of muscle heads ::)
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They must have been looking for GH deficiency with that test. This is the way adult GHD is diagnosed (among other provocation agents, etc). AFAIK, insulin is not injected when testing glucose tolerance (insulin sensitivity). Well, they do sometimes but it's done another way. And why would GH levels have been part of the test anyway, if it was just a GTT. I could be wrong though.
Yes, inducing hypo will increase GH and some renegades have played with insulin this way.
I don't know about BG being low at night having that much to do with GH released during sleep. It's more the sleep stages me thinks. Plus GH pulses throughout the day anyway, with the nightly surge being a bit higher.
No the test was done to test insulin sensitivity. HGH was never mentioned or discussed. I just noticed the relationship when I looked at the computer read out. I still have it but I'm too lazy to did it out and I don't have a scanner anyway.
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Na man … I dont look like shit ... I look exactly like I wanna look … like a regular guy who works out with 19” guns ;D … I don’t have any problem in saying who I am or how I look … so unlike other … I don’t have insecurity issues …
I can’t be blamed for the corruption that u r talking about … I am new to the scene … as this has been going on for over 40 year and I am not yet 30 … but if bbers were all united … or had an union sort of committee … they could have fixed it or made it better … the corruption was and is not due to the people who got fired or u mentioned … this is just how the system is … y is that … cause bbers (the sole of the federations) allowed that ... cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!
Drugs in the sport is inevitable … it doesn’t matter if I or anyone else likes what is happening … it is how it is and no one can change that …I don’t sell the stuff … I recommend brands that I trust … to assure the best shape I get people in … and u blame me for that!!!
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cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!
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watch ur mouth ali If u wanna stay in buisness.last time i checked u had issues with Rat(chua).
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cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!
watch ur mouth ali If u wanna stay in buisness.last time i checked u had issues with Rat(chua).
yes i did &do ... and i still hate teh buying the medal trade ... but that was done cause bbers allowed that ... and they didnt stand against it ... cause most of them are greedy and want to have the federations good will to participate or place well ... thus loose the moral and core values that a decent person should have
U see bbers talking shit about the federations and then suddenly publish an apology letter … that is cause they aint man enough to back their comments … what do u expect from them … bbers & federations liked what was going on … and people who got screwed were looking for ways to do well too … but never worked on fixing the problem
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YOU are making the claims, YOU need to back them up with references, that's how the scientific community works. Until you can provide references the article has no value whatsoever. It will find a nice place between the rest of the drivel written by other self-proclaimed internet drug gurus.
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yes i did &do ... and i still hate teh buying the medal trade ... but that was done cause bbers allowed that ... and they didnt stand against it ... cause most of them are greedy and want to have the federations good will to participate or place well ... thus loose the moral and core values that a decent person should have
U see bbers talking shit about the federations and then suddenly publish an apology letter … that is cause they aint man enough to back their comments … what do u expect from them … bbers & federations liked what was going on … and people who got screwed were looking for ways to do well too … but never worked on fixing the problem
where is this hate against bbers came from.there are two type of people who talk shit about bber,s one,s who are jealous and feel insecure and other,s bodybuilders themself and bodybuilding officials and people who involve with bodybuilding one way or the other.
u fall in the category who are involve with bodybuilding some how.u trying so hard to get into the industry and investing so much time in studying and writting about bodybuilding and yet u throwing crap on them.
i dont know how far u can go with this attitude.
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i study I don’t hate bbers … I say that what has happened up to now was due to what bbers did or didn’t … they are the propel who make the federations run … so they have to have the power to either let the federation rise of fall … but they all decided to back stab each other and not be one hand cause they acted with greed and didn’t stand for what’s right
I try so hard to get in the industry!!! When … I do what I do … people come to me … I didn’t go to anyone to train him or offer him help … plus I know a lot of people in the industry due to my personal effort … no one helped me to reach where I am … it was all god’s blessing and personal hard work … I like to learn and I excelled in what I do more than most of the people who were in the sport for much longer …
I am not throwing crap at anyone … I am just stating facts … bbers should not allowed what happened to happen again … but it will again and again and again
U people take it to personal and get blinded with ur grudge … so it is up to … if u think properly … u will understand my point of view
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Do you have to take IGF if supplementing with HGH? Or is HGH good enough stand alone? I'm not talking about taking HGH to turn into Ronnie Coleman, but to be in great shape for a "normal" guy.
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No … GH alone does the job and u will get all the benefits of the various growth factors … u just have to get the dosage, time and way of usage right … once u get that protocol in place u will be just fine … even for an elite or top level bber
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Y is 3-4iu of GH at a time … ask a pharmacologists who has been in the business for a while and he will tell u
Ur not arguing with me about my opinions or recommendations … u all argue about how the medical community agrees on how body works after all their work
You are full of shit. If an endocrinologist says that he bases it on a hunch, not on the way the body works or any scientific studies. Palumbo, who is also a very "scientific" guy in the same vein as you, says you should never do more than 2iu at a time as that is the max the body will be able to use. Which one of you is right? The answer is that you are both pulling numbers and "science" out of your ass. Milos says the scientific way to use GH is to use it in the morning and avoid bedtime shots. Your scientific way is to use it morning and night. Funny how science agrees with all you guys. :D
You saying that the "medical community" agrees with what you say is laughable. Yes, the doctors writing scripts for Serostim and advice their HIV+ patients to shoot 16iu in a single shot sure agree with you. ::) You might say bodybuilders aren't HIV+ and shouldn't follow their protocols... well, that's exactly the point! There's no data on healthy people using GH for body recomposition purposes, especially not comparing different protocols - whether GH works best in divided doses, or in a single dose, or even an every other day schedule. Or why not a single weekly or even a single monthly monster dose? Yes, there are gurus on the net saying this would be the "scientific" way to use it. They are pulling science out of their ass just like you and the multitude of gurus in this community.
I have no problem with anecdotal reports. It's the way you frame your "knowledge" that's stupid.
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Ur really full of shit in a funny way … u r the guy who doesn’t know much but yet question everything like u know more than god … that is really dramatic …
U don’t know much … we agree with u … but u think u know everything but don’t mentions it is what we disagree
Who prescribes 16iu at once with a HIV+ patients??? Dave says 2iu and I say 4 … each one of us has his view plus I will tell u why the medical & pharma community agrees with us … the 16 iu pens were not designed to be shot at once … that is y they are good for 2 weeks after the 1st use …
The GH use to be at doses of 2iu and 4 iu only … either powder or premixed vials at 2-4iu … now if u ask people who actually know what they are doing (and by that I don’t mean the ur respected doctor who prescribed 16iu GH in one shot) y was it set at 2-4iu … u will know that the optimal dose is what I said
But then again … u won’t be convinced right … cause ur not sure … but u just cant get along with whatever I say … I said it before and I will say it again “Don’t hate THE GAME if u r a bad player”
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Just more of a pissing match going on...
...if someone is called out, as aliamini has been by Van_Bilderass, then aliamini should cite a few references on just 1-2 points. Have an actual discourse rather than attacking.
Aliamini things Van is trying to antagonize him, which I don't think is the case. Van, tbombz and the others just want to see good honest info posted and nobody get hurt in the process.
Then when aliamini doesn't answer the question(s) that Van and others post, it seems as if Aliamini is just running and/or spouting from his ass. Then repeat the cycle two or three times and you have a pissing match right before your eyes.
I think guys do come here to learn, however, when they see bullshit-no matter what it may be- they call the person out. A trait that separates GetBig from all the other boards. We also have our other traits too...but people just want to see information be somewhat truthful.
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Who prescribes 16iu at once with a HIV+ patients??? … the 16 iu pens were not designed to be shot at once …
You're an out and out retard! Do you want to take back this post?
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Here you go you fucking retard
How do I take Serostim®?
Serostim® is injected under the skin each day, usually at bedtime.2 This type of
injection is simpler and less penetrating than injections that are given directly to
the muscle or a vein.
Depending on your weight, your doctor will prescribe one of three dose strengths
for you: 4 mg, 5 mg, or 6 mg.
http://www.serostim.com/assets/base/Serostim/pfd/PatientBrochureMarch21st2006FINAL.pdf
Since 1mg is 3iu, the doctor will prescribe either 12, 15 or 18iu shot in a single injection at bedtime!
If you didn't know this you obviously have done ZERO research on GH! How can you miss the HIV+ data?!
Please call Serono and tell them their product wasn't designed to be used at these dosages. ::) :D
Reconstituted solution has to be used immediately.
...if someone is called out, as aliamini has been by Van_Bilderass, then aliamini should cite a few references on just 1-2 points. Have an actual discourse rather than attacking.
Or better yet, just drop the science angle. He is simply experimenting with drugs, not taking drugs "according to science and the whole medical community". He just can't see the point I'm making. It's not science!
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everything about his whole interview, besides the basic idea that gh deverts food from fat and into muscle, is all just as made up and bullshit as the 3-4 iu claim.
timing- doesnt matter
doseage- more the better
frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2.. but wouldnt hurt to increase either.. (metabolic effects oif gh last about 24 hours so multiple daily dosing isnt really needed)
use with insulin- use the gh whever youd like, and choose an insulin timing based off whatever you feel would be best..most like post workout and first thing in the morning since this is when youll be most sensitive to it
most potent growth factor-cant say for sure but at the moment it looks like intramuscle igf+mgf probably the reason
like van said your definitely not basing anything off of science, as you loike to claim you are
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Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once (not that I am saying u r HIV+) and Tbombz can use as much as he want (the more the better) anytime he wants … frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2 (1 or 2 what) who cares just use as much as u get any time any way
See … we can all get together and be friends
got 2 give it to u ... u guys always put a smile on my face ...
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Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once (not that I am saying u r HIV+) and Tbombz can use as much as he want (the more the better) anytime he wants … frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2 (1 or 2 what) who cares just use as much as u get any time any way
See … we can all get together and be friends
got 2 give it to u ... u guys always put a smile on my face ...
as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis? aliamini all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.
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as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis? aliamini all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.
You strike me as the type of person that reads a few articles, starts to use some big words and then thinks you have all of the steroid knowledge in the world.
How old are you? How long have you been researching steroids and anabolic compounds?
Your posts are hilarious though. Keep it up!
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as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis? aliamini all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.
You strike me as the type of person that reads a few articles, starts to use some big words and then thinks you have all of the steroid knowledge in the world.
How old are you? How long have you been researching steroids and anabolic compounds?
Your posts are hilarious though. Keep it up!
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Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once
You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community". You simply will not find any consensus in the medical community where everyone says GH works best when the dosage is split up or that it has to be injected when BG and insulin is low to reap the benefits. I have not seen any data where it's even proposed GH maybe should be injected in essentially a fasted state for it to "work" for anything. Now I haven't read everything which is why I've asked you to back up your theories with data I've perhaps missed, but now I see it's useless to ask and I'm pretty sure it's because you don't have any data.
I actually believe the main reason for Serono to seek approval for such dosages is money. It's an expensive product and the more the patients use the more money Serono makes. In fact, at no dosage has it been shown to increase actual skeletal muscle protein i.e. muscle. Lean body mass, yes. Which is to say the patients retain water and organ weight increases.
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Here you go you fucking retard
http://www.serostim.com/assets/base/Serostim/pfd/PatientBrochureMarch21st2006FINAL.pdf
Since 1mg is 3iu, the doctor will prescribe either 12, 15 or 18iu shot in a single injection at bedtime!
I've read many times that your body, for an adult in their 30's doesn't even produce 2ius naturally, why would Sero recommend minimum of 12ius? Is this dose for children that suffer from Dwarfism or to treat some kind of medical condition? I thought replacement was 2ius? Even gh15 said that 15ius is when a bodybuilder starts to go to the extreme.
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gh reducing the ability to form glycogen and metabolize glucose is basic metabolic information. it inhibits glucose uptake and negatively impacts glycogen synthesis capability in mmuscle.
as for effects on fiber type=
In addition to the potentially detrimental derangements in glucose metabolism mentioned above, GH administration in humans has been shown to induce a shift in muscle fiber type from type 2a to 2x (9, 10). The latter has been characterized as the “default” fiber type since the proportion of 2x fibers to type1 and type 2a is relatively high in “couch potatoes” compared to strength and power athletes. Resistance training induces a shift in the opposite direction from type 2x to 2a. During detraining, the muscle fiber type shifts back to 2x. The training induced shift is interpreted as an adaptive mechanism to the increased demands placed upon the muscle. If GH administration induces a shift in muscle fiber type away from the trained state, this could have negative implications for strength and power athletes.
(9) Hennessey JV, Chromiak JA, DellaVentura S, Reinert SE, Puhl J, Kiel DP, Rosen CJ, Vandenburgh H, MacLean DB. Growth hormone administration and exercise effects on muscle fiber type and diameter in moderately frail older people. J Am Geriatr Soc. 2001 Jul;49(7):852-8.
(10) Lange KH, Andersen JL, Beyer N, Isaksson F, Larsson B, Rasmussen MH, Juul A, Bulow J, Kjaer M. GH administration changes myosin heavy chain isoforms in skeletal muscle but does not augment muscle strength or hypertrophy, either alone or combined with resistance exercise training in healthy elderly men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Feb;87(2):513-23
as for effects on body compositiuon and strength=
Deyssig et al (5) conducted a similar study in trained power athletes. One group was given rhGH at 0.09 U/kgBW day while another was given placebo. Both groups participated in a resistance training program for six weeks. At the end of the study period changes in strength and body composition were measured in both groups. Again there was no difference between the two groups in the parameters measured. The authors concluded that GH treatment had no effect on strength or body composition in highly trained strength athletes.
(5) Deyssig R, Frisch H, Blum WF, Waldhor T. Effect of growth hormone treatment on hormonal parameters, body composition and strength in athletes. Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1993 Apr;128(4):313-8.
to conclude=
The results of studies of muscle protein synthesis, body composition, and strength in healthy young to middle aged humans tell a different tale: so far no robust, credible study has been able to show clear effects of either medium to long term rhGH administration, alone or in combination with a variety of training protocols or anabolic steroids, on muscle protein synthesis, mass or strength.
(7) Rennie MJ.Claims for the anabolic effects of growth hormone: a case of the emperor's new clothes? Br J Sports Med. 2003 Apr;37(2):100-5.
all of this taken directly out of karl hoffman ("nandi" on the forums) article "recombinant growth hormone and the athlete"... which can be found here http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/karl_hoffman/growth_hormone_athlete
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I've read many times that your body, for an adult in their 30's doesn't even produce 2ius naturally, why would Sero recommend minimum of 12ius? Is this dose for children that suffer from Dwarfism or to treat some kind of medical condition? I thought replacement was 2ius? Even gh15 said that 15ius is when a bodybuilder starts to go to the extreme.
This is for HIV wasting only.
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You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community". You simply will not find any consensus in the medical community where everyone says GH works best when the dosage is split up or that it has to be injected when BG and insulin is low to reap the benefits. I have not seen any data where it's even proposed GH maybe should be injected in essentially a fasted state for it to "work" for anything. Now I haven't read everything which is why I've asked you to back up your theories with data I've perhaps missed, but now I see it's useless to ask and I'm pretty sure it's because you don't have any data.
I actually believe the main reason for Serono to seek approval for such dosages is money. It's an expensive product and the more the patients use the more money Serono makes. In fact, at no dosage has it been shown to increase actual skeletal muscle protein i.e. muscle. Lean body mass, yes. Which is to say the patients retain water and organ weight increases.
damn van ... now u dont even like what u post (16iu at one shot ... that is the Broucher/pamphlet research that u claimed that will show that I don’t know shit) ... so what do u really want to do ...
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damn van ... now u dont even like what u post (16iu at one shot ... that is the Broucher/pamphlet research that u claimed that will show that I don’t know shit) ... so what do u really want to do ...
wtf ???
*sigh* ::) :D
You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community".
Read it again and again until it sinks in.
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Whoever wrote that article doesn't know shit.
Regarding HIV patients and GH. They are instructed to take the FULL VIAL of GH once it is constituted. And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS. Not IUs.
A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius. IUs don't mean jackshit. Strength is determined by MGs.
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And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS. Not IUs.
A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius. IUs don't mean jackshit. Strength is determined by MGs.
You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.
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i study I don’t hate bbers … I say that what has happened up to now was due to what bbers did or didn’t … they are the propel who make the federations run … so they have to have the power to either let the federation rise of fall … but they all decided to back stab each other and not be one hand cause they acted with greed and didn’t stand for what’s right
I try so hard to get in the industry!!! When … I do what I do … people come to me … I didn’t go to anyone to train him or offer him help … plus I know a lot of people in the industry due to my personal effort … no one helped me to reach where I am … it was all god’s blessing and personal hard work … I like to learn and I excelled in what I do more than most of the people who were in the sport for much longer …
I am not throwing crap at anyone … I am just stating facts … bbers should not allowed what happened to happen again … but it will again and again and again
U people take it to personal and get blinded with ur grudge … so it is up to … if u think properly … u will understand my point of view
oh i fully understand u now.u r one of those self righteous who think everyone need u and u dont need anyone.dont feel so proud if people are approaching u.think its a blessing and try to help them if u can without throwing crap on them.Most of people u work with dont have anything nice to say about u.that is not a good start.
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ttt
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oh i fully understand u now.u r one of those self righteous who think everyone need u and u dont need anyone.dont feel so proud if people are approaching u.think its a blessing and try to help them if u can without throwing crap on them.Most of people u work with dont have anything nice to say about u.that is not a good start.
i didnt say everyone needs me ... u said i am trying hard to be in teh industry ... so i wanted to show my my status ... i am not trying to make anyone happy to get in or stay in a federation ... i am a free lancer who do whatever i want
name one who worked with me and doesn’t have anything nice to say about me ... and i will tell u y ... u don't even know half of the people that i train ... u know only the people that i posted here ... i still have lot of people that i work wiht but cant mention due to their contractual obligations ... or forced agreements with their federations coach ... i didnt treat anyone bad ... but when someone acts cocky ... i strike back ... i still dont get it y r u so hostel ... i didnt say anything bad abt u ...
I helped a lot of people and u know it was never for the money … I give away so many info in my article and on the boards & even to people that I don’t know … I am not Cocky … but am with people who are so … u balme the previuous federation … as a lot of people got screwed a lot got rewarded … unrightfully or not this is what happened … and it will continue happening … what makes u think there aren’t others like (u know who ) with the same attitude … I am saying bbers should have a union of their own and fight for their rights and not let officials take over the control of the constitution & decisions
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19" arms hahahahha what is that Long??Show a pic of those massive 19" pipes with a tape.I know you are a short Fat guy but not sure even your fat arms measure 19".I have one question for you how much Money do make out of selling Illegal Drugs???.You Gurus a Fucking Dangerous.
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Next time you write an article make sure you preface it with "I just pulled this straight from my rectum. Read on if you like shitty articles."
Sorry, but there is no scientific basis for any of the dosing protocols you state, it's just your opinion, nothing more.
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Next time you write an article make sure you preface it with "I just pulled this straight from my rectum. Read on if you like shitty articles."
Sorry, but there is no scientific basis for any of the dosing protocols you state, it's just your opinion, nothing more.
cause everything that is done in sports medicine is actually backed up by scientific approvals
19" arms hahahahha what is that Long??Show a pic of those massive 19" pipes with a tape.I know you are a short Fat guy but not sure even your fat arms measure 19".I have one question for you how much Money do make out of selling Illegal Drugs???.You Gurus a Fucking Dangerous.
i did post them ... but i wont this time ... so do ur homework
wtf ???
*sigh* ::) :D
Read it again and again until it sinks in.
i know ... i am saying u didnt approve my recommendation nor what u posted ... so what is up with u ... maybe u dont even approve ur own existence ;D great job man ... u r realy smart and very well knowledged in teh sport ... i am sre u r a pro bber who knows everything and has an opinion about everyone else's opinion ... and some times even wiht his own opinion ... so i am sure that is when u face teh mirror and talk back to ur self ...
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And with regards to the Illegal Drug selling and money making question your answer would be...................... ...........
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cause everything that is done in sports medicine is actually backed up by scientific approvals
Post the specific scientific studies you used as reference for this article.
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And with regards to the Illegal Drug selling and money making question your answer would be...................... ...........
The 5th amendment
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The 5th amendment
I hope you Don't keep paper work.
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Ali, what are sides of GH use? Doesn't it enlarge the internal organs and lengthen the bones in a bad way? Also what about the GH gut that a lot of bodybuilders have?
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Ali have you even used HGH yourself? i bet you are too much of a pussy to use it, you just sell it to the bodybuilders you call retards ::)
your best friend Chan is in court today, hope he gets a well deserved prison sentance, but perhaps he will use your line and say its not his fault because the bodybuilders are retarded and stupid so they are the ones to blame ::)
How will the bodybuilders that use your "services" feel about being called retards?
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all this ridiculous drama because some "grown up" men need to inject substances in their bodies due to their psychological insecurities , main one being "feeling small" ...
I dont even know where to start with this thread. Human mind is fascinating.
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Is Ali a dealer ? ???
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Is Ali a dealer ? ???
that and a schmoe
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that and a schmoe
Whats with his name, Ali A Mini ..is this somthing to do with his endowment? ???
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You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.
Isn't an iu simply a measure of the amount of liquid? Say, you get a vial with 1 gram of HGH and then add 6 ius of Bac water wouldn't that mean that 3ius = .5 gram HGH?
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I said it millions of times … I don’t sell the stuff even though it is not illegal here … I recommend certain brands cause they are good … being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!
Amini is pronounced (Ameenee) that is my last name
Ali have you even used HGH yourself? i bet you are too much of a pussy to use it, you just sell it to the bodybuilders you call retards ::)
your best friend Chan is in court today, hope he gets a well deserved prison sentance, but perhaps he will use your line and say its not his fault because the bodybuilders are retarded and stupid so they are the ones to blame ::)
How will the bodybuilders that use your "services" feel about being called retards?
what makes u think he is the only one who deserves that ... a lot of other officials should undergo teh same investigation
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So Ali, what do you think of Blue tops and why does the color of the cap have anything to do with the quality of the product? (Serious question because can't you put any color top on a vial?)
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I said it millions of times … I don’t sell the stuff even though it is not illegal here … I recommend certain brands cause they are good … being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!
Amini is pronounced (Ameenee) that is my last name
Oh I understand now :)
Where are you from? egypt ?
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i read the article bro...great stuff indeed ;)
just no need to listen to the haters...lots of them who dont even know the difference between a dumbell and a barbell :-X
i any case, results of world class champs that came out from teh coaching of THE GAME is teh real proof.
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So Ali, what do you think of Blue tops and why does the color of the cap have anything to do with the quality of the product? (Serious question because can't you put any color top on a vial?)
Color of the top is irrelevant ... however each company can set his own standard in that regard
Oh I understand now :)
Where are you from? egypt ?
noi am from Bahrain
i read the article bro...great stuff indeed ;)
just no need to listen to the haters...lots of them who dont even know the difference between a dumbell and a barbell :-X
i any case, results of world class champs that came out from teh coaching of THE GAME is teh real proof.
Thanx Gus … appreciate ur support
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Isn't an iu simply a measure of the amount of liquid? Say, you get a vial with 1 gram of HGH and then add 6 ius of Bac water wouldn't that mean that 3ius = .5 gram HGH?
Please say you have never used GH before! :D
No, that's wrong. Water can't be measured in international units. You're probably thinking of the unit markings on an insulin syringe. That's for standard 100iu/mL insulin e.g. .25mL insulin/25iu.
One mg of GH is approximately 3iu. For example see Genotropin hGH drug description:
GENOTROPIN 5 mg is dispensed in a two-chamber cartridge. The front chamber contains recombinant somatropin 5.8 mg (approximately 17.4 IU),
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… being a dealer requires u to go to other countries buy and resell … do I look like a guy who has that much time!!!
It does not require that at all. You have mentioned you have drug contacts in various countries. Even if you never touch the product you can be a drug dealer by proxy. No need to elaborate how one can make money by putting customer and dealer in touch.
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name one who worked with me and doesn’t have anything nice to say about me ... and i will tell u y ...
I remember a really good and juicy thread between you and Sami the Blacksmith quite a few years ago, here on GetBig. It was a real cat fight, he said she said type of deal.
I wish I could find that again...
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epic backpedaling after bragging about being a dealer/guru hahaha.
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epic backpedaling after bragging about being a dealer/guru hahaha.
once u r able to differenciate betweena dn deeler and a guru ... u will get my point ... drug dealers are risk taker outlaws ... gurus are 2 legit 2 quit ;D
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You are a bit off base here. 1mg of GH is 3iu. You can use either measure.
Incorrect. IU is for volume measurement, not strength.
If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.
Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?
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Ali is Swampi the cocksmiths dealer
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Ali is Swampi the cocksmiths dealer
We havent heard from Swampi in a while?
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We havent heard from Swampi in a while?
Swampi was run off of getbig when he found out that nobody accept Team Nasshole were going to schmoe for him
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Swampi was run off of getbig when he found out that nobody accept Team Nasshole were going to schmoe for him
Yea understood ;D
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I gotta be honest ali, you sounded like you had no idea what you were talking about on Heavy Muscle Radio. When Dave was asking you about your theories you couldn't even give him a solid answer and it came off like you were just trying to make shit up on the spot with bro-science.
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Please say you have never used GH before! :D
No, that's wrong. Water can't be measured in international units. You're probably thinking of the unit markings on an insulin syringe. That's for standard 100iu/mL insulin e.g. .25mL insulin/25iu.
One mg of GH is approximately 3iu. For example see Genotropin hGH drug description:
Well, I haven't use HGH but isn't the unit marking on an insulin syringe a measure of the amount of liquid? If 100iu is equal to 1 ml/cc isn't that a measure of the amount of liquid? Say you had a vial of dry powder containing 3mg of HGH and when you reconstitute it you use 100ius of bac water. When you draw out 3 ius will you still get 1 gram of HGH?
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Incorrect. IU is for volume measurement, not strength.
If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.
Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?
Sorry, I didn't see your post before I made mine. A friend of mine who is very sensitive to the sun take some product called melatonan or something like that. It comes in 5mg vials and it recommends that you take 1mg, 20ius. Now the 20ius is contingent on following the instructions of reconstituting with 100ius of bac water. Now my friend use 50iu insulin syringes (.5 ml) because that's all that's available locally). For the sake of convenience he just reconstitutes with 50 ius (doesn't want to go through the trouble of injecting twice in the vial) and simply takes 10ius to get the 1mg dose.
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Incorrect. IU is for volume measurement, not strength.
If you had 1mg of GH and constituted it with 3ius of water, then 3ius = 1mg.
Take that same 1mg of GH and constitute it with 50ius of water and how much of 1mg does the 3ius now equal?
Nope, you are absolutely and completely wrong. Please tell me how much 1IU of water is. Where did you get the idea that it's a volume measurement? Actually, I'm pretty sure where. Reading an insulin syringe. This is really elementary knowledge and you have no business doing GH and especially insulin if you don't understand this.
The precise definition of one IU differs from substance to substance and is established by international agreement for each substance. There is no equivalence among different substances; for instance, one IU of vitamin E does not contain the same number of milligrams as one IU of vitamin A.
For example:
Insulin: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of about 45.5 μg pure crystalline insulin (1/22 mg exactly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_unit
How do you think a 1500IU vs a 2500IU hCG amp differs? The amount of water for reconstitution differs? No. The amount of hormone in the amp differs.
Well, I haven't use HGH but isn't the unit marking on an insulin syringe a measure of the amount of liquid? If 100iu is equal to 1 ml/cc isn't that a measure of the amount of liquid? Say you had a vial of dry powder containing 3mg of HGH and when you reconstitute it you use 100ius of bac water. When you draw out 3 ius will you still get 1 gram of HGH?
Well, you wouldn't get the same amount of GH per cc if the amount of water differs. Obviously. However, the IU is not a amount of liquid measurement. 100IU of insulin just happens to correspond to 1mL/cc since that's how it's made. This only applies to insulin.
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Sorry, I didn't see your post before I made mine. A friend of mine who is very sensitive to the sun take some product called melatonan or something like that. It comes in 5mg vials and it recommends that you take 1mg, 20ius. Now the 20ius is contingent on following the instructions of reconstituting with 100ius of bac water. Now my friend use 50iu insulin syringes (.5 ml) because that's all that's available locally). For the sake of convenience he just reconstitutes with 50 ius (doesn't want to go through the trouble of injecting twice in the vial) and simply takes 10ius to get the 1mg dose.
Yes, he will get the right dosage that way. IUs is still not a volume measurement. It's just the amount of insulin that the insulin syringe says is per cc/mL.
Anyway, the wikipedia link I posted should clear up any confusion. :D
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lol. yup iu on a slin pin refers to the amoutn of insulin in that much volume of humalog (or whatever slin your using)
with gh its different. you have 1 mg of gh dry powder. in that 1 mg, you have 3 iu's of gh. you can put "1 iu" of water. and now you have 3 iu of gh in every 1 iu measurement. or you could put "30iu's" water and now you have .1iu gh in every 1 iu measurement.
get it?
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i take 5 iu's of creatine.
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I'm still waiting on the specific scientific studies that were used as reference for this article.
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I'm still waiting on the specific scientific studies that were used as reference for this article.
r u a h8er too?
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lol. yup iu on a slin pin refers to the amoutn of insulin in that much volume of humalog (or whatever slin your using)
with gh its different. you have 1 mg of gh dry powder. in that 1 mg, you have 3 iu's of gh. you can put "1 iu" of water. and now you have 3 iu of gh in every 1 iu measurement. or you could put "30iu's" water and now you have .1iu gh in every 1 iu measurement.
get it?
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me but Van is a smart guy so I feel like I'm missing something here. He wants to know how much one IU of water is, well, isn't it the first tick on an insulin pin? Now if HGH came pre-mixed and it was 1mg for 3 units then I get it. Just like the example you gave with slin. But it doesn't. HGH has to be reconstituted with water. So the amount of water will determine the concentration.
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Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me but Van is a smart guy so I feel like I'm missing something here. He wants to know how much one IU of water is, well, isn't it the first tick on an insulin pin? Now if HGH came pre-mixed and it was 1mg for 3 units then I get it. Just like the example you gave with slin. But it doesn't. HGH has to be reconstituted with water. So the amount of water will determine the concentration.
You're right in what you say. 1IU is the first tic on an insulin pin. But you can draw up the water with any type of syringe. My long winded attempted explanation started after Lurker said IU is a volume measurement and that HIV+ patients don't use 16IUs of hGH. There is no such thing as 1IU of water since IU is an internationally agreed upon measurement of drugs, vitamins, etc and it differs between substances. True, you can pull up "1IU" of water on an insulin pin but that IU is supposed to say how much insulin you're taking, not how much water you're injecting. If you say you injected 20IU of water it's a meaningless statement unless you qualify it by saying that you were talking about the ticks on an insulin syringe.
Am I making any sense ???
See the guy's post
Regarding HIV patients and GH. They are instructed to take the FULL VIAL of GH once it is constituted. And refering to taking 16ius at once is simply retarded because in HIV treatment the doseage per day is for MGS. Not IUs.
A Serostim 6mg vials will yield a total of 6mg for the patient whether it is mixed with 10ius of water or 100ius. IUs don't mean jackshit. Strength is determined by MGs.
If I say I'm taking 10IU of hGH it means 3.3mg of hGH. Has nothing to do with the amount of water. See how wrong Lurker is. Both IU and mg can be used, like I said:
Serostim® [somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection] is available in the following forms:
Serostim® vials containing 5 mg (approximately 15 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Sterile Water
for Injection, USP. Package of 7 vials. ...NDC 44087-0005-7
Serostim® vials containing 6 mg (approximately 18 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Sterile Water
for Injection, USP. Package of 7 vials. ...NDC 44087-0006-7
Serostim® vials containing 4 mg (approximately 12 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with Bacteriostatic
Water for Injection, USP (0.9% Benzyl Alcohol). Package of 7 vials. ........................ .................NDC 44087-0004-7
Serostim® vials containing 8.8 mg (approximately 26.4 IU) somatropin (mammalian-cell) with
Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP (0.9% Benzyl Alcohol). Package of 4 vials. ..........NDC 44087-
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But Van aren't we using an insulin pin when reconstituting the HGH? When the Hyge vials say 8iu per vial that's assuming you are only putting in 8iu of water using an insulin pin to get that, what? 1gram per 3iu. But I know iu vary as with vitamins, etc. But for our purposes an iu is the amount of liquid in an insulin pin.
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When the Hyge vials say 8iu per vial that's assuming you are only putting in 8iu of water using an insulin pin to get that,
they arent assuming anything about the amount of water your using. you can use 1/10th cc(the same as 10 iu on a slin pin) or a whole ml (the same as 100iu on a slin pin)
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Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me but Van is a smart guy so I feel like I'm missing something here. He wants to know how much one IU of water is, well, isn't it the first tick on an insulin pin? Now if HGH came pre-mixed and it was 1mg for 3 units then I get it. Just like the example you gave with slin. But it doesn't. HGH has to be reconstituted with water. So the amount of water will determine the concentration.
mg is a weight. 3mg of gh. thats an amount of gh powder.
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they arent assuming anything about the amount of water your using. you can use 1/10th cc(the same as 10 iu on a slin pin) or a whole ml (the same as 100iu on a slin pin)
So when they say 8iu of HGH how much actual mgs are you getting since it's dry powder?
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So when they say 8iu of HGH how much actual mgs are you getting since it's dry powder?
well 8iu divided by 3(3iu per mg) would be about 2 2/3 mg gh in every vial holding 8iu gh.
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thx alot Ali Amini for the great info. i like when u mention the rout of administration which no one i heard or read talk about .
about timing the administration its a little bit different from others ... but i like the one after workout which gives good results.
my quastion about insulin u said better if taken 40 min after the workout whil other says after workout immediatly , and u try to seperate it from GH bcz u said it works better without insulin . if like that so when simple carb would be taken bcz they will make insuline spike !
and how about the whey protein ? after workout immediatly ?
thx alot we are glad to have u here and rx muscle radio.
BiG Mo.
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thx alot Ali Amini for the great info. i like when u mention the rout of administration which no one i heard or read talk about .
about timing the administration its a little bit different from others ... but i like the one after workout which gives good results.
my quastion about insulin u said better if taken 40 min after the workout whil other says after workout immediatly , and u try to seperate it from GH bcz u said it works better without insulin . if like that so when simple carb would be taken bcz they will make insuline spike !
and how about the whey protein ? after workout immediatly ?
thx alot we are glad to have u here and rx muscle radio.
BiG Mo.
Insulin should be taken immediately post workout if u r following the post workout protocol … however as I try to duplicate what ever the human body is doing … GH and insulin work back to back … by insulin being the stronger … in essence … the less insulin u get in ur system ( the less sugar u eat thus produce insulin) will make u produce mmore GH … so when u r using GH and insulin u have to separate them to an extent that you give GH enough time to hit ur liver and start working … so what I recommend is use GH post workout IM and then use insulin 30-40 minutes after that … the amount, timing and type of carb is relevant to the type of insulin you use … I did mention that and my recommendation in my radio show on RX muscle
As for whey protein … a good quality whey protein isolate can be used with the post workout shake
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so would it be better to take 4ius 5 days per week or 3ius everyday and when would you shoot it alll post workout or break it up into two shots and lets say you train in the afternoon/ evening
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3iu everyday at 1 shot is a better option
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3iu everyday at 1 shot is a better option
Say you don't use insulin, what's better when taking gh: on an empty stomach or is it OK to take it after a meal or does it make any difference? If on an empty stomach, how long after your shot should you wait before eating again?
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it is always better to take it on empty stomach ... so if ur not taking insulin then inject GH post workout ... IM ... and eat your meal or drink your shake 30minutes after that ... usually after 30 min of IM administration Liver starts acting to it so u can introduce nutrients to your bloodstream
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it is always better to take it on empty stomach ... so if ur not taking insulin then inject GH post workout ... IM ... and eat your meal or drink your shake 30minutes after that ... usually after 30 min of IM administration Liver starts acting to it so u can introduce nutrients to your bloodstream
Where do you live andwhat time is it? It's already past midnight here in Hawaii.
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at the moment I am in United Arab Emirates & its 1530
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aliamini
Can you post your contest pics?
I have never seen it still. Please.
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I never competed nor do I intend to do so
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I never competed nor do I intend to do so
Then why you have competitors stars?
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Ali just got blown away by the GetBig crue.....spruikers, and self-inflated, self-proclaimed, drug dead-beats come here thinking they can pull a swifty on the GB community.....they always get hammered.......just another Will Brink, Palumbo cocksmoker.....
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at the moment I am in United Arab Emirates & its 1530
The UFC may be coming to Abu Dhabi.
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We had a UFC event in Bahrain couple of weex ago … we also got some good novice talent in mixed martial arts … Abu Dhabi holds an even as such since a decade now … the owner of the event is the brother of the ruler of Abu Dhabi & the event is mainly in to Brazilin Jujitsu
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Epic unibrow on the author. :o
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I wrote this before the Arnold Classic … I tried to make it very easy to understand & sufficient
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm
You mentioned how timing is very important when using HGH and that it should be injected on an empty stomach (2 hrs after eating?) and that injecting gh PWO is also a good thing. But most of us like to eat or drink something after lifting. So say I pin gh right after lifting, how long do you have to wait before you can drink a PWO shake (60g protein, 80gr carbs)? Also, say you want to include igf PWO can you take HGH and igf at the same time and does igf and insulin (from eating or drinking a shake) interfere with each other like hgh and insulin does?
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Admit it, you typed this with a lisp, didn't you?
no, he just predended having a deep tissue massage
only from the inside
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Xerses : you need to change your caption to " persian phag " ... it would be cool ;)