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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
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135 8 reps.... im so shit at pressing, its embarrassing!
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135 8 reps.... im so shit at pressing, its embarrassing!
That's good weight man
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Great press great form
I say dumbbell presses are harder and more benificial for working chest
What do you think?
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Great press great form
I say dumbbell presses are harder and more benificial for working chest
What do you think?
Thank you!
I think exactly the same. I'm almost always doing one exercise with barbell but when I'm LAZY I do another exercise with barbell or on a machine instead of the dumbbells... LOL! ;D
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I think initially the barbell press is good but after you put on good muscular size
It becomes dangerous for the shoulders... I only bench ocassionally
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That's good weight man
i look like i should be handling 160+... regularly showed up by much smaller dudes
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10lbs for 3 reps, maybe 4 if I struggle.
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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
Do i get this right, you press 160x10 and Steve Namat presses 170x9?
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Do i get this right, you press 160x10 and Steve Namat presses 170x9?
One is a juicer and the other eats a piece of licorice and some Jamaican food........ :o
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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
You must be HUUUUUGE :o :o :o
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24 kilos dumbells x 8, 9 on a lucky day
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Brutal 88 pounders for 12 currently 8) - of course could do more but next dumbbells at my gym are 132 lbs :'(
(past is past and deserves no bragging ;D )
Epic thing is I hammer curl same dumbbells I press :-[
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The best I ever did was 110lbs for 5 but I am way below that now. I was an eating machine back then and all I did was eat and train.
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Do i get this right, you press 160x10 and Steve Namat presses 170x9?
Can press heavier but no access to heavier bells
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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
good stuff...what weight do the dumbells go up to at your gym?
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Dumbell
130x6-8 reps
Barbell
295x6-8 reps
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good stuff...what weight do the dumbells go up to at your gym?
Only 160
What are the heaviest db in body works
I don't think they go heavier
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Dumbell
130x6-8 reps
Barbell
295x6-8 reps
Good numbers man
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Only 160
What are the heaviest db in body works
I don't think they go heavier
171 or 172 or something ridiculous I think. All the dumbells are in pounds, but when he made them up a lot of the poundages were slightly out, so there's 88, 93 etc all over the place.
Can't you get the owner to get some new ones?
So why do u feel benching is dangerous for shoulders?
How often do u bench?
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Do i get this right, you press 160x10 and Steve Namat presses 170x9?
both hormonized,,one lie about it ...jamaican boy,,other honest about it...hungarian boy
in any case mine is 200lb for reps ,,but you will learn that at the end of the day it doesnt matter barbell,,dumbell,, smith,,hammer,, if the chest is geneticaqly strong it will blow up thicken and get fuller no matter what you do as long as apply resistant training with heavy weight respectivly to what you yourself need
gh15 approved
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Ive asked him ...always say he will but ... never does
I used to love benching I was quite fixated on getting a big bench
i used hate db presses because I couldn't go as heavy as i could with bench
but love a challenge so i kept at db presses
as you get bigger I find bench is for your shoulders.
i do them probably once every 4 months
right now Im trying to master another chest exersise i used to hate incline barbell presses
so my chest routine yesterday looked like this
incline barbell presses 135 2 sets 20 reps
225 - 10 -12 reps
315 - 6- 8 reps
flat dumbell presses
110 - 15 reps
130 12 reps
160 - 8 reps
then machine presses and flyes
moderate session Im learning now not to go all out EVERY session
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150x15 I've hit 200x6 before back in west Texas, but gym now only has the 150lbs. I'd like to feel the 200s again see if I can hit 8+
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100x7
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150x15 I've hit 200x6 before back in west Texas, but gym now only has the 150lbs. I'd like to feel the 200s again see if I can hit 8+
good press man
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70 x10 (no homo)
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100x7
good press ... which do u do more bench or dumbells
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good stuff...what weight do the dumbells go up to at your gym?
this is a major problem these days. most gyms don't have a dumbbell rack that goes past 130lbs....in fact, your typical L.A Fitness club goes to 100lbs. the club manager's don't think it's necessary to add heavier dumbbells to their place.....of the 6 Gold's gym in my area, I only know one of them that has 180lbs dumbbells and they have a decent Group of local bodybuilders that go to this Gym a lot........I guess those guys complained to management about the Dumbbell rack and management listened.
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i think its a way to keep hardcore bbers out
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My gym only goes to 120lb which I can do for ten.my old gym went to 130lb and i could do those for 10.
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120X8 with my god damned long arms.
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i think its a way to keep hardcore bbers out
Back in the day it was like when dumbbells ended, time to move under barbell 8)
Never heard anyone running out of weights at gym on barbell bench presses ::)
Whining about too small dumbbells is like if I went to ladies gym, used some fancy inner thigh machine and started to scream out loud that 'stupid machine can't handle me... get bigger weight stack there for my next leg day, pussies' :D
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I've done 160s on the flat.
Here's an old vid of me doing shoulder presses with 120's for 11:
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Dumbbell presses are way better than barbell presses. If I do them controlled I'm not even sore in my front delts, only in the pecs. With a barbell front delts get sore as hell as well as the shoulder joint. Ban the bar.
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Back in the day it was like when dumbbells ended, time to move under barbell 8)
Never heard anyone running out of weights at gym on barbell bench presses ::)
Whining about too small dumbbells is like if I went to ladies gym, used some fancy inner thigh machine and started to scream out loud that 'stupid machine can't handle me... get bigger weight stack there for my next leg day, pussies' :D
never heard abotu generation nothingness? they run out of dumbells,,,rememebr their work out is 5 sets so you run out of dumbells on the 6sth set,,they cant thiknk of mayyyyyyyybe go to the hammer put 5 plates each side and try to move it...nope,,generation nothingess want dumbell up to 300lb so make sure there is lots of knocking noise going around
gh15 approved
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I've done 160s on the flat.
Here's an old vid of me doing shoulder presses with 120's for 11:
Very good form JasonH.
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never heard abotu generation nothingness? they run out of dumbells,,,rememebr their work out is 5 sets so you run out of dumbells on the 6sth set,,they cant thiknk of mayyyyyyyybe go to the hammer put 5 plates each side and try to move it...nope,,generation nothingess want dumbell up to 300lb so make sure there is lots of knocking noise going around
gh15 approved
Ahahaha gh15 is old school, much respect to that. F#ck generation pansy nothingness.
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never heard abotu generation nothingness? they run out of dumbells,,,rememebr their work out is 5 sets so you run out of dumbells on the 6sth set,,they cant thiknk of mayyyyyyyybe go to the hammer put 5 plates each side and try to move it...nope,,generation nothingess want dumbell up to 300lb so make sure there is lots of knocking noise going around
gh15 approved
gh15 bringing the truth 8)
Fuk generation nothingness and their pussy dumbbell presses ;D
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Dumbbell presses are way better than barbell presses. If I do them controlled I'm not even sore in my front delts, only in the pecs. With a barbell front delts get sore as hell as well as the shoulder joint. Ban the bar.
True very true bench presses and incline barbell presses hit a lot of front delts
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I've done 160s on the flat.
Here's an old vid of me doing shoulder presses with 120's for 11:
great presses man making those 120s look light
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hahaha you gotta love this
2 self proclaimed naturals eating oreos
1 beats Steve Namat in db pressing who is a very strong pro
and the other is just shy of Ronnie Coleman
this thread brings out the monster bullshitters I see
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I've done 160s on the flat.
Here's an old vid of me doing shoulder presses with 120's for 11:
funny thing is my shoulders i thing are weak in comparision to my pecs.... strengthwise
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hahaha you gotta love this
2 self proclaimed naturals eating oreos
1 beats Steve Namat in db pressing who is a very strong pro
and the other is just shy of Ronnie Coleman
this thread brings out the monster bullshitters I see
x10000
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good press ... which do u do more bench or dumbells
Is it good?? :o? lol i thought i was weak. ;D
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160*10 naturally.. my ass....
fuck liars...
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160*10 naturally.. my ass....
fuck liars...
how do you know he's lying?.....
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100's for 8 reps for incline dumbell presses when my shoulders weren't bothering me so much a few years ago. I was about 165, and never used any "supplements". Then I was training at home up until recently, and all I had were 65 pounders, which I repped out for about 20-25 reps, or pre exausted with flies before each set. You make due with what you have...
I'm back in the gym now, and working back up to the 100's again hopefully, if my shoulders let me!
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I guess 130x10 or 140'sx8
After flat bench and incline barbell I us the 120's for sets of 10+
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how do you know he's lying?.....
jealousy....
plain and simple...
this has been going on for years... 6 yrs to be precise
i have a bunch of cheerleaders gh15 sevastee primarily who follow me around on every thread with accusations
everyone is entitled to their opinion but to follow someone around on a message board for over half a decade
shows the mental state of these trolls...
one claims to be a pro bber
picture this a retired michael jordan stalking a young basketball player around on a message board
wow.... :-\
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I guess 130x10 or 140'sx8
After flat bench and incline barbell I us the 120's for sets of 10+
good presses goudy dont you find dumbell presses help increase your bench over time
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Have to say I'm surprised that goudyursus can control two dumbbells simultaneously without blowing a mental gasket.
;D
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Yea whenever I do them and do them 'heavy' for reps feels much better when I bench. Started chinning again and find that is helping my bench press.
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chinning is key and is great for the whole upper body a lotta guys dont like them though because they are hard.
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Back to doing weighted chins!
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120 lb dumbbels for 6 on incline. i found that weight doesnt matter as much for chest as reps do... chest movements activate my delts a lot.. matter of fact a cpl of ppl i know have good chest development who rarely if ever actually train chest rather than just pumping it up if they need too.
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135lbs for 8 solid reps on dumbell presses today.
Chest workout was this..
Flat dumbell presses
80lbs.. 3rd warm up set..
110lbs x 12 reps
120 x 10 reps
135 x 8 reps
Decline Barbell bench presses
135 warm up
265 x 12 reps
315 x 4 reps (I did Decline bench last week as the first exercise and got 315 for 8 reps on the last set and wanted to see if I could reach the same or close enough with it being the 2nd exercise this week). I also twanged something in my inner chest on this set, that made me stop on the 4th rep, I wouldve only got another one or two forced reps out anyway.
Incline Machine Press (wouldve done a free weight exercise if it werent for the twang)
2 working sets, 10 reps for both
Incline Flyes (Not too heavy, didnt want to strain the chest anymore than I had, so I just fluffed about, normally can go up to 100lbs for 8 or so reps)
Warmup
70lbs x 12 reps
80lbs x 12 reps
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135lbs for 8 solid reps on dumbell presses today.
Chest workout was this..
Flat dumbell presses
80lbs.. 3rd warm up set..
110lbs x 12 reps
120 x 10 reps
135 x 8 reps
Decline Barbell bench presses
135 warm up
265 x 12 reps
315 x 4 reps (I did Decline bench last week as the first exercise and got 315 for 8 reps on the last set and wanted to see if I could reach the same or close enough with it being the 2nd exercise this week). I also twanged something in my inner chest on this set, that made me stop on the 4th rep, I wouldve only got another one or two forced reps out anyway.
Incline Machine Press (wouldve done a free weight exercise if it werent for the twang)
2 working sets, 10 reps for both
Incline Flyes (Not too heavy, didnt want to strain the chest anymore than I had, so I just fluffed about, normally can go up to 100lbs for 8 or so reps)
Warmup
70lbs x 12 reps
80lbs x 12 reps
Intense workout man
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Intense workout man
Tonight was an easy one after I strained my chest, haha, I was pissed off.
Last week I did
Decline Bench - 4 sets.
Incline Dumbell Presses, 2 working sets, 110lbs for 10 reps on the last (suprising how Decline movements if done first will affect the poundages later in the workout, I saw Dorian recommending this on youtube)
Machine Chest Presses, 2 working sets
Flat Dumbell Flys, supersetted with Barbell Presses, 2 working sets, last set was be 90lbs for 10 reps, then 165 for 15-20 reps
Cable Crossovers - 2 Sets, last being a dropset, 10 reps, 10 reps, 10 reps for a total of 30 on the last set.
Then a little bit of Triceps in addition to my Bi/Tri day.
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I never saw the point of declines. Bench will promote just as much growth in that area without the shorter ROM of the decline.
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I never saw the point of declines. Bench will promote just as much growth in that area without the shorter ROM of the decline.
Decline Dumbells are the way, go as deep as you want, and less shoulders in the movement and more chest.
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Decline Dumbells are the way, go as deep as you want, and less shoulders in the movement and more chest.
Yeah less shoulder so safer, but shorter ROM so im not convinced. Maybe i'll give them a try though..
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Can press heavier but no access to heavier bells
Put some food on the dumbell to make it heaviar, then you can eat as you rep out! Kills two birds with one stone. ;D
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120s for 25 solid reps the other day. Have done 150s for 20 a couple yrs back but our gym only goes to 120s now.
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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
Good numbers bro - but no way you are natural - you just had two guys that juice follow you in posting - one a pro and you out do one and pretty much = to the pro - sorry mate , I think you have a great build but stop with the BS ::)
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Good numbers bro - but no way you are natural - you just had two guys that juice follow you in posting - one a pro and you out do one and pretty much = to the pro - sorry mate , I think you have a great build but stop with the BS ::)
The druggies have limited minds. 8)
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The druggies have limited minds. 8)
Or are realists ;)
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120s for 25 solid reps the other day. Have done 150s for 20 a couple yrs back but our gym only goes to 120s now.
Oh brother.........bullshit!! This would put you up there with some of the best benchers in the world.......
Look out getbig we got us a real life benchpressing powerhouse here!!!! ::)
:D
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Or are realists ;)
TRue, most guys use them. But who am i to say if not? Its a slow road without them, ive seen guys grow as much in 12 weeks as it took me 3-4 years clean. But i like the steady life anyway.
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TRue, most guys use them. But who am i to say if not? Its a slow road without them, ive seen guys grow as much in 12 weeks as it took me 3-4 years clean. But i like the steady life anyway.
The gains you make natural will stay with you years after you've gone off. The gains you make on gear are temporary. And the more muscle you put on without gear the better off you are in the long run, and the easier it will be to blow up and get huge when you do run shit.
I should reword that and make a nursery rhyme out of it.
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bs wolfie .. what are you? some pro bencher?? ;D
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120s for 25 solid reps the other day. Have done 150s for 20 a couple yrs back but our gym only goes to 120s now.
I've seen a vid of you repping some heavy dumbbells ... Impressive lift
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Good numbers bro - but no way you are natural - you just had two guys that juice follow you in posting - one a pro and you out do one and pretty much = to the pro - sorry mate , I think you have a great build but stop with the BS ::)
That's your opinion... And your untitled to it
But I am natural
I don't gauge myself on what anyone else does...
I find it interesting how you can sit probably 1000's of miles away from and tell me what I'm doing
So please tell me this please tell what numbers are natural so I can lose some muscle to fit the criteria
Some of you guys are really sad individuals.
I've been here for years when I weighed 170 before I posted a pic and when I said I could lift this or that it's was BULLSHIT I've posted vids and pics to back up every claim have you ever even posted a picture???
This forum is just amazing at times thankfully their are a few guys here who actually do lift and contribute... And aren't here to belittle other people.
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Mesomorph is a natural. If hes used it wasnt much at all over a long time. Props bro.
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Lol@ naturals benching more and being bigger than juiced up pros....hahahaa
Getbig has the genetic elite for sure!!! :D
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90's for 4 reps.
Never got to try the 115's because no spotters were willing to do a Kamali with me.
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120s for 25 solid reps the other day. Have done 150s for 20 a couple yrs back but our gym only goes to 120s now.
Big weight plus high reps, great lifts! I've been looking for your reply email, I can use some advice hit me up?
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Mesomorph is a natural. If hes used it wasnt much at all over a long time. Props bro.
thanks
but Ive NEVER EVER used drugs.... and NEVER WILL
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thanks
but Ive NEVER EVER used drugs.... and NEVER WILL
Cool. Anyone whos built real muscle from hard training knows your not full of shit. F#ck what gh15 thinks anyways he prob always had a chemical dependency during his time as a 'bodybuilder' and didnt build shit all without drugs.
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Lol@ naturals benching more and being bigger than juiced up pros....hahahaa
Getbig has the genetic elite for sure!!! :D
x2
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thanks
but Ive NEVER EVER used drugs.... and NEVER WILL
Yes I see what you mean, Testosterone, HGH, Insulin, Adrenaline, all naturally occuring substances, no drugs.
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Ok can GB come up with some totals they think will never be broken by a nattie?
I think that in terms of absolute weight lifted 550lb bench, 700lb squat (number picked out of my ass) and 750lb dead are absolute max?
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E.g I know a 132lb guy who can deadlift almsot 500lbs but couldn't military press 120lbs
Whats stopping a 250lb guy pulling 750lbs?
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That's your opinion... And your untitled to it
But I am natural
I don't gauge myself on what anyone else does...
I find it interesting how you can sit probably 1000's of miles away from and tell me what I'm doing
So please tell me this please tell what numbers are natural so I can lose some muscle to fit the criteria
Some of you guys are really sad individuals.
I've been here for years when I weighed 170 before I posted a pic and when I said I could lift this or that it's was BULLSHIT I've posted vids and pics to back up every claim have you ever even posted a picture???
This forum is just amazing at times thankfully their are a few guys here who actually do lift and contribute... And aren't here to belittle other people.
Bro - your numbers are getting up in the Coleman area - a guy who has abused hormones in high amounts and gh for years and one that is geneticly surperior when it comes to handling heavy weights - his muscle fibres are designed to move those heavy weights like he does - it's genetics but he could only do it with drugs , now you are claiming to be getting close to him naturaly ? c'mon dude - no doubt you do have good genetics for lifting heavy weights for reps but not without "support" ..
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thanks
but Ive NEVER EVER used drugs.... and NEVER WILL
I recently decided to try some test and eq. I quit after 6 weeks. I HATED seeing the needle slide into my delt,and outer thigh. Im not interested at all in doing it again.I gave the gear away to a guy at the gym that loves that stuff. Like bill anvil posts said, I paid my dues with 20 yrs of lifting to get to 20" arms and now i have them fulltime forever even when i dont lift for months.
I dont care what others think about limits on size or weight......I just get it done.
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Bro - your numbers are getting up in the Coleman area - a guy who has abused hormones in high amounts and gh for years and one that is geneticly surperior when it comes to handling heavy weights - his muscle fibres are designed to move those heavy weights like he does - it's genetics but he could only do it with drugs , now you are claiming to be getting close to him naturaly ? c'mon dude - no doubt you do have good genetics for lifting heavy weights for reps but not without "support" ..
Will. How long did you lift being clean before you took some gear? Ill bet you built your base quick on drugs instead of putting in 10 yrs of good clean lifting....
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I recently decided to try some test and eq. I quit after 6 weeks. I HATED seeing the needle slide into my delt,and outer thigh. Im not interested at all in doing it again.I gave the gear away to a guy at the gym that loves that stuff. Like bill anvil posts said, I paid my dues with 20 yrs of lifting to get to 20" arms and now i have them fulltime forever even when i dont lift for months.
I dont care what others think about limits on size or weight......I just get it done.
Yes yes I remember your pics huge guy huge arms
To be fair I have nothing against anyone who takes whatever that's personal choice
But I know I can put my hand on a bible and swear I've never taken Anything ever.. Just sad that anytime I make a thread or post a vid or pic it comes down to this. Hence why I've not posted anything recent in 4 yrs.
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Bro - your numbers are getting up in the Coleman area - a guy who has abused hormones in high amounts and gh for years and one that is geneticly surperior when it comes to handling heavy weights - his muscle fibres are designed to move those heavy weights like he does - it's genetics but he could only do it with drugs , now you are claiming to be getting close to him naturaly ? c'mon dude - no doubt you do have good genetics for lifting heavy weights for reps but not without "support" ..
...do you honestly think Coleman is the benchmark for strength
And do you really think I care what anyone else does. Coleman presses 200lb lbs12 reps and looked like he could do more weight and reps... I stated I have pressed 160 for 10 not that matters but how are those even remotely the same... And as I said it doesn't matter. Coleman is Coleman meso is meso... I don't give a shit what his limit is eg look how many vids there are on YouTube with guys destroying columns bench... You guys need to step out of your tiny little world of bbing
Your sitting behind your desk accusing me of stupid shit out of ignorance or jealousy
If you were to ask me the
I couldn't tell you the name of a prohormone
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...do you honestly think Coleman is the benchmark for strength
And do you really think I care what anyone else does. Coleman presses 200lb lbs12 reps and looked like he could do more weight and reps... I stated I have pressed 160 for 10 not that matters but how are those even remotely the same... And as I said it doesn't matter. Coleman is Coleman meso is meso... I don't give a shit what his limit is eg look how many vids there are on YouTube with guys destroying columns bench... You guys need to step out of your tiny little world of bbing
Your sitting behind your desk accusing me of stupid shit out of ignorance or jealousy
If you were to ask me the
why do you think he is jelous of you ? ,,this is not understood to me,,you dont look anything like bodybuild ,,your look is more of a fitness model type,,you walk around 200lb 6-7% do you know how many 5'10 -5'11 fellas walk around 200lb 6-7 % ? they all on hormones like you ,,some use winny and nanadorlone phnyl prop,,some use trenbolona anc hgh with testosterona ...those are the ones who look more dense than you and thicker than you ....yet same weight...
again so its clear,,what will grant say should get into getbig.com history of truth in your face because he says it as it is ,,what he says is gold when it come to you ,, he compare to colman because ron colman is the strongest bodybuildr to ever walk earth ,,yes much MUCH strongesr than tomas prince ....or tom plats or any of the other wanna bes,,
you are 195-200lb when 6% mesomorph ,,this is not something spectacular in bodybuilding,,yes to the average person in walmart americana you will look good and they will take second look and ask you if you drink protien powder and how many meals you eat a day...or how much you bench ,,but! in reality 200lb soaked wet at 6-7% is nto impressive in today bodybuilding,, even with the best symetry and proportions wich you dont have because you have no legs,,you are about 23 inch legs maybe 24 ....this is not even remotely close to winner of big shows,,maybe locals but again your physiqe is type of fitness ,, you maybe now walk 220 9% but rest assure you are no more than 6-7% when sub 200 195-200lb and all that HORMONIZED! to some degree along the way
will grant is right absolitly right
gh15 approved
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Maybe 1% of bodybuilders have a solid foundation, nowadays fewer than ever since we live in the era of laziness. It was different 40 years ago, people werent afraid of hard work. Being natty is great and its even better to know your physique doesnt come from a bottle, but people are always gonna accuse you of it regardless of what you tell them. Only the people that have done it themselves are going to believe you, and there arent very many of them.
The good thing about it is knowing that your muscles are real and will even be there if you take a month off from training. Again, not like anybody gives a fuck. The only one who really cares or knows is the beholder, sadly. Its a very lonely activity.
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Will. How long did you lift being clean before you took some gear? Ill bet you built your base quick on drugs instead of putting in 10 yrs of good clean lifting....
12 years natural ;) Before touching hormones - did do various prohormones like andro,norandro, 1ad etc then were banned here.
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Ok can GB come up with some totals they think will never be broken by a nattie?
I think that in terms of absolute weight lifted 550lb bench, 700lb squat (number picked out of my ass) and 750lb dead are absolute max?
I'll give you an example of a powerlifter I know that claims natural.
He competes @ 275, numbers are suited lifts.
Bench 535-550
Squat 771-780
Deadlift 665-680
And this is a 275lb man than trains specifically for strength.
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Maybe 1% of bodybuilders have a solid foundation, nowadays fewer than ever since we live in the era of laziness. It was different 40 years ago, people werent afraid of hard work. Being natty is great and its even better to know your physique doesnt come from a bottle, but people are always gonna accuse you of it regardless of what you tell them. Only the people that have done it themselves are going to believe you, and there arent very many of them.
The good thing about it is knowing that your muscles are real and will even be there if you take a month off from training. Again, not like anybody gives a fuck. The only one who really cares or knows is the beholder, sadly. Its a very lonely activity.
I don't mind people thinking that... My job is not to convince anyone of anything... But when imbeing followed thread to thread by the same trolls accusing me of shut i have no earthly idea about ut gets tiresome..I've been here on these boards 7 years now when I first started posting I was 170lbs and over the years I've proved every claim made with vids or pics. These guys who throw out there accusations not one single pic nothing. Now I've stopped posting pics or anything recent I make a thread state what I honestly lift ... There is a vid of me on here somewhere 3 yrs ago getting 160 for 8 or something like that.
And still the same people that follow thread from thread who have never posted nothing, still throwing out crazy accusations
Gets a bit tedious and tiresome after 7 years
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I don't mind people thinking that... My job is not to convince anyone of anything... But when imbeing followed thread to thread by the same trolls accusing me of shut i have no earthly idea about ut gets tiresome..I've been here on these boards 7 years now when I first started posting I was 170lbs and over the years I've proved every claim made with vids or pics. These guys who throw out there accusations not one single pic nothing. Now I've stopped posting pics or anything recent I make a thread state what I honestly lift ... There is a vid of me on here somewhere 3 yrs ago getting 160 for 8 or something like that.
And still the same people that follow thread from thread who have never posted nothing, still throwing out crazy accusations
Gets a bit tedious and tiresome after 7 years
You look like a stockier framed guy and what these guys dont seem to understand is that not everybody has the same frame size and genetic build. When I was in high school I trained with a guy who was 5 10 215 with solid 18" arms and calves. Big powerful hog farmer that rarely touched a weight, but he was real strong. Did 160lb barbell curls, said it was just like lifting a hefty pig lol. You look like you have a big frame and I know for a fact what big framed guys are capable of believe me. I currently train with a guy who was a super stocky 5 8 180 with short arms and huge barrel chest with a head and neck like a fire hydrant. Hes compact as hell and was benching 315x10 with very little drug use over a 12 year span. Guy is just a naturally huge mofo.
And Ron Coleman has long arms and is naturally a smaller frame guy no built for bench pressing, so thats a stupid comparison. The point is the guys who are genetically huge to begin with are always going to be stringer than the small joint, skinny waist thin wrist aesthetic bodybuilders.
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You look like a stockier framed guy and what these guys dont seem to understand is that not everybody has the same frame size and genetic build. When I was in high school I trained with a guy who was 5 10 215 with solid 18" arms and calves. Big powerful hog farmer that rarely touched a weight, but he was real strong. Did 160lb barbell curls, said it was just like lifting a hefty pig lol. You look like you have a big frame and I know for a fact what big framed guys are capable of believe me. I currently train with a guy who was a super stocky 5 8 180 with short arms and huge barrel chest with a head and neck like a fire hydrant. Hes compact as hell and was benching 315x10 with very little drug use over a 12 year span. Guy is just a naturally huge mofo.
And Ron Coleman has long arms and is naturally a smaller frame guy no built for bench pressing, so thats a stupid comparison. The point is the guys who are genetically huge to begin with are always going to be stringer than the small joint, skinny waist thin wrist aesthetic bodybuilders.
my friend ,,thats not the point
his mesurement are not natural ,,and if it was the condtion would be of 15-20% for the most gifted genetic individual with the numbers he claim both lifts and actual diameter of muscle
you fellas need to understand that back before gh15 was introduced to getbig years back....people would still pull shit and claim that they didnt even know what masteron was...one of the most important drugs in bodybuilder arsenal that all cheaters use and USE it greatly,,people back then talked about trenbolona like it was some poweder that is used here and there for cows and sometims for hardening lol the murderer was selling them bullshit about trenbolona made it sound like no one was using the shit that he considered made out of pellets but in reality he didnt say he ws swimming in trenbolona made out of POWDERS AND HIGH QUALITY POWDERS,,
do you see where im geting at?
back in the day before gh15 was introduced people still talked in terms of how much testosterona and if 230 mg is as good as 500mg ....no one talked in terms of real doses and type of poweders and quality of powders and final products,,no one said a damn thing about the combination of drugs needed for walking around conditioned at 190lb or over....no one said a damn thing because no one cared to share secret for why would they? if they giv esecrets then they wont be special ...that was the style of thought before gh15 introduction to the bodybuilding world back in mid decade of 2005 ,,that was also when most abused drugs and weirdo physiqes such as look wood and the other martial art weirdo cook came to the surface...
ONLY WHEN GH15 WAS INTRODUCED only then people started to ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT A BODYBUILDER WITH OUT TRENBOLONA MASTERONA AND TESTOSTERONA WILL NEVER LOOK LIKE A BODYBUILDER! conditioned size come from very specific usage of specific drugs,,and no deca is not an excuse ,,im talkin here CONDITIONED SIZE,,and for that and for passing tests masterona trenbolona ace and testosterona are the culprit of bodybuild for many many many years,,no one knew and the ones who knew HIDE IT FROM UP AND COMING BODYBUILDERS,,
no one even talked about the gh and its importance in taking one to the level past 200lb conditioned size....everyone back then talked about gh as fat burner but no one actualy talked about what it does specifically and how it work to create mutation ,,no one said that it is a must to use it if you want to surpass arnold size proportionaly to height ofcourse,,
it took the introduction of gh15 for all this to happen ,,it happened in stages,,and a fella like mesomorph kid is a disturbance ,,he distuebs this because either he lie about his mesuremenrts,,or about his body fat ,,or he just in a wanna be world of make belief,,i dont like my pupils to be lied to ,,i dont care how geneticaly blessed once is,,you do not gain 50lb naturaly from 170 to 220 and remain in mid singles ,,never happen never will happen ,,
mesmorph is the sin child of fellsas before like serge rest his soul that claimed natural....it is just poision to my pupils and to the bodybuilders of the world,,so i out it ,,and i put him in his place,,and when i didnt do it i have plenty of pupils who do
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besides he dont have the definition to be running anything he looks smooth and doesnt have that anabolic skin texture users have. Naturally big long arms, small waist wide shoulders and back small calves and mediocre legs. Thats what hes got with bigger stature since hes a brotha. And since when is 50lb of muscle impossible on a large frame?? You act as though hes shredded with sub 10% which he isnt, just a big strong guy and doesnt even have typical bodybuilder shape. crawl outta your fuckin cave and open your eyes.
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besides he dont have the definition to be running anything he looks smooth and doesnt have that anabolic skin texture users have. Naturally big long arms, small waist wide shoulders and back small calves and mediocre legs. Thats what hes got with bigger stature since hes a brotha. And since when is 50lb of muscle impossible on a large frame?? You act as though hes shredded with sub 10% which he isnt, just a big strong guy and doesnt even have typical bodybuilder shape. crawl outta your fuckin cave and open your eyes.
i seen the fella,,5'11 i seen him when he was 190-200lb he was down in 7-8%,,having small leg mean nothing lol plenty of bodybuold dont even work their legs ,,usualy locals but also bigger shows youll be surprised lol he is brother so what? 50 lb of LEAAN tissue is immposible on natural that start at 170....if he started at 137 coming out of highscholo and brought himself up to 180....yes believble and possible naturaly since i brought many up there with out any drug ,,thiose are the real cursed fellas becuase they are the true natural that eat shit on every liar scambag like nortom and the such....
i say what he said he was,,,he said 220 single digit ...naturally,,,he didnt say 12-13% 220 2which woudl be hormonize dtoo but atleast it would sound a better way out of his shit,,
do you even know how big is 220lb at 7%? or 8% ,,, you keep heqring here from bobbie chick that he won usa 197 lol and you talk pro here,,then you got meso who say he is 220 and pretty much down in the singles bodyfat ,,dry and conditioned... umm no
im telling you once again there are no naturals with those numbers,,not his lifts and not his numbers,,IF WHAT HE SAY IS TRUE ,,if he truly is single digits and look like it...and sit 220lb at 5'10 he is HORMONIZED!
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Lots of liars in this thread.
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I'll give you an example of a powerlifter I know that claims natural.
He competes @ 275, numbers are suited lifts.
Bench 535-550
Squat 771-780
Deadlift 665-680
And this is a 275lb man than trains specifically for strength.
Some shirts literally add 100s of lbs to the bench press. I would like to think that drug free a HUGE man could press at least 500lbs. Deadlift is also very good though there really are people who pull more, lots of deadlift is leverage and long arms.
But also as far as I see Meso is not claiming anywhere near these numbers. Depends how good his shirtrs and equitmnet are I guess as well as his natural base/strength
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My old training partner pulled 660/300kg raw after 1.5 years training... (120-125kg bw)
Some people are built for deadlifting... I'm not one of them.
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I disagree with my bro WillGrant and think Mes is natural, just like he claims.
gh15, calm down princess.
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I genuinely believe Meso is natural. Most people who criticise others are those who got less than excellent genetics.
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I genuinely believe Meso is natural. Most people who criticise others are those who got less than excellent genetics.
Same. I believe him gh dont have me convinced. It takes one to know one Ursus.
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what a bunch of moronic liars
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I genuinely believe Meso is natural. Most people who criticise others are those who got less than excellent genetics.
To be fair I don't see what's so hard to believe... Nearly 10 yrs of training under my belt
Hard training... Yes I do have genetics in regard to muscle shape etc but I put in the fucking work
Deads rows square chins from day one I did and still do this religiously I do t pussy around the gym the way I see a lot of guys do and this is why Ronnie Coleman was the greatest ever and still hasn't been surpassed he had out of this world genetics BUT HE OUTWORKED EVERYONE even though he didn't have to
Nothing can substitute work in the long run
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To be fair I don't see what's so hard to believe... Nearly 10 yrs of training under my belt
Hard training... Yes I do have genetics in regard to muscle shape etc but I put in the fucking work
Deads rows square chins from day one I did and still do this religiously I do t pussy around the gym the way I see a lot of guys do and this is why Ronnie Coleman was the greatest ever and still hasn't been surpassed he had out of this world genetics BUT HE OUTWORKED EVERYONE even though he didn't have to
Nothing can substitute work in the long run
Your right, intense heavy freeweights for years is the key my friend. Hard work is what made Coleman the strongest bber to ever walk the earth, drugs helped yes but he lifted heavy weights for years consistently and it paid off. Look at all the past competitors with heavy compound lifting backgrounds, Sergio Arnold Lou Dorian and others- they are still big even years later and always will be. Heavy hard work is what builds real muscle, not drugs. When are people going to understand this??
And the best part is after you put your work in for 10 years you can maintain more strength than the average juicer with just 2-3 meals a day and 3 days a week in the gym. Funny the ones accusing you are exactly the type that never put a pound of natural muscle on in their entire fucking lives. Put the work in reap the rewards in the future. Stupid impatient assholes who rely solely on drugs piss me off sometimes.
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Yes it all come down to goals.. My goal is to always be working out because I like the challenge
Other people want to quickly gain beach muscles for summer or whatever. I'm in no rush because I'll be working out for life. Plus Ive always had a decent amount of muscle I don't need to take drugs
One major problem a lot of people have is they always want what they can't have not me I've lucked out in regards to muscle building genetics... And I'm content with my progress no matter how long it takes because I'm in it for life
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Some shirts literally add 100s of lbs to the bench press. I would like to think that drug free a HUGE man could press at least 500lbs. Deadlift is also very good though there really are people who pull more, lots of deadlift is leverage and long arms.
But also as far as I see Meso is not claiming anywhere near these numbers. Depends how good his shirtrs and equitmnet are I guess as well as his natural base/strength
I've seen him hit 475 or so on bench, 600+ on squat and 600+ on deads.
A perfect example is ygwhateverbodybuilder, has a training thread on the training board were he has claimed to do bent over barbell rows with 405# at a BW of 210#......completely natural of course.
You're not exactly a small guy yourself there Goudy, how far away from 500 are you?
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Aout 100lbs away from a 500lb bench. Will likely never hit it if I am honest. Maybe say after 15 years more training and injury free say I came close. Even with shorter stumpier arms and a big barrel chest i would in all liklihood never get close to 550 even at 300lbs
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Aout 100lbs away from a 500lb bench. Will likely never hit it if I am honest. Maybe say after 15 years more training and injury free say I came close. Even with shorter stumpier arms and a big barrel chest i would in all liklihood never get close to 550 even at 300lbs
since you dont believe you will hit 500lbs what number do you have as you final goal a max you would be happy with?
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I've seen him hit 475 or so on bench, 600+ on squat and 600+ on deads.
A perfect example is ygwhateverbodybuilder, has a training thread on the training board were he has claimed to do bent over barbell rows with 405# at a BW of 210#......completely natural of course.
You're not exactly a small guy yourself there Goudy, how far away from 500 are you?
You seem to be the guy who always calls ppl out. But i don't see what's so hard to believe about barbell rowing nearly twice your bodyweight? ::)
I reckon I could do it, and I'm not even a 'strength guy'
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since you dont believe you will hit 500lbs what number do you have as you final goal a max you would be happy with?
I know you're talking to Irene but at some point in my life I'd like to hit 500 I'm about 60 or 70lbs off so I got a faaaar way to go
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since you dont believe you will hit 500lbs what number do you have as you final goal a max you would be happy with?
I dont know I cant see myself getting much heavier and I am not built for strength too small joints etc. WHo knows maybe 500 will be my final target. I would love to hit it. I am 25 now and sitting at 400. 5-10 lbs a year for next 15 years I guess is achieveable.
I remember a time when I couldnot wait to hit 3 plates. Now 3 plates is a warm up for me. I guiess I should just play it by ear and see and continue having fun with it all!
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200 LB DUMBELLS FLAT BENCH
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12 years natural ;) Before touching hormones - did do various prohormones like andro,norandro, 1ad etc then were banned here.
Good job on clean training. Are you satisfied with your size when the gear is out of your system? That is your base genetic and true size. It could be better tho and more long lasting if you got off the rollercoaster of drugs.
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never heard abotu generation nothingness? they run out of dumbells,,,rememebr their work out is 5 sets so you run out of dumbells on the 6sth set,,they cant thiknk of mayyyyyyyybe go to the hammer put 5 plates each side and try to move it...nope,,generation nothingess want dumbell up to 300lb so make sure there is lots of knocking noise going around
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Agree with both you guys.
You won't have the problem of running out of wts on barbell movements.
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Not everyone want to do barbell movements some peoPle aren't built for them...
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Yes it all come down to goals.. My goal is to always be working out because I like the challenge
Other people want to quickly gain beach muscles for summer or whatever. I'm in no rush because I'll be working out for life. Plus Ive always had a decent amount of muscle I don't need to take drugs
One major problem a lot of people have is they always want what they can't have not me I've lucked out in regards to muscle building genetics... And I'm content with my progress no matter how long it takes because I'm in it for life
you are A LIAR,,NOT ONLY THAT BUT ATTENTION SEEKING LIAR,,you are not lucked in any muscle buildign aspects,,your physiqe is AVERAGE,K,same as ursus physiqe is average,,i said here plenty of time before right now i can take 100 fellas on the spot that weight 185-195lb that have CONDITIONED SIZE on that and wipe the floor with you ,,diff is they admit for the use of hormones! while you lie
why dont you show them your legs? shwo some quad,,lets see this muscle ebuilding genetics eh? you are a jamaican liar,,the reason you dont show your physiqe is because you know right now you cant pass as natural in those numbers,,before at 195lb single digit you could say good genetics lots of plantain and jerk chikan ,,now day harder to at 220 and 10%,,so now you dont put pictures up,,
i sugest you put some pictures up ,,lets see this genetics ,,show them what natural is...show them so they see themselves how full of balonie you are,,
you been on getbig board for years and still STILL lie! the sad part is you will never see money not even from fitness modeling because there are 50 fellas like you in every town in usa and england...
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Not everyone want to do barbell movements some peoPle aren't built for them...
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that is correct,,some bodybuild dont even touch free barbell and their pecs look 100 times better than bodybuild who sleep under the bar ,,it is all in the genetic respond and training respond to H O R M O N E S
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I've seen him hit 475 or so on bench, 600+ on squat and 600+ on deads.
A perfect example is ygwhateverbodybuilder, has a training thread on the training board were he has claimed to do bent over barbell rows with 405# at a BW of 210#......completely natural of course.
You're not exactly a small guy yourself there Goudy, how far away from 500 are you?
dont even argue with them ,,i didnt take good lok at the ursus fella but i did atjamaica boy,,you are talking here about hormonized lifts ,,and hormonized size,,not a lot of size btu conditioned size which is always in every single case hormonized to some degree,,
any 200lb fella who can push 300+ lb on barberl for reps of 10 is HORMONIZED,,if you ever see bodybuild at 190lb sitting on hack and push 5 plates each side of the hack for reps of 10 ....this fella is SWIIMMMMING IN HORMOONES CONSISTANTLY WITH NO TIME OFF FOR MONTTHS
i really dont think fellas here know what it is to push 405 lb on bench for reps,,they dont understand how hard it is if you are only 200lb ,,it got to be conditioned muscle for it to happen ,,
few other things got to be there for the bodybuild to push very heavy weight
1 trenbolona ace will always be there
2 halo and or testosterona will always be there
CONDITIONED SIZE AND HEAVY LIFTING IS ALWYS A DIRECT DEPENDENT OF A DRUG CALLED TRENBOLONA AND A DRUG CALLED TESTOSTERONA ,,HALO is what gets you to break records and put it on new minimums
i really despize liars,,and i dont understand why bodybuild lie to eachother in this case,,this is really nto impressive to lie to other bodybuld,,remember they are your brothers in iron not some whore in swimming pool,,
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So a short fat but stroing 200lb guy with 10 years training will and should never bench 300x10 naturally?
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So a short fat but stroing 200lb guy with 10 years training will and should never bench 300x10 naturally?
rememebr the height talked about here ,,this is nto short nothing,,this is 5'11 5'10 fella,,no 5'10 200lb bench over 300 lb for reps of 10 with out hormones in systenm either few or more only he knows,, 190-200lb fella 5'10 that bench 300+ lb 315+ for reps of 10 is on hormones! period
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Disagree
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rememebr the height talked about here ,,this is nto short nothing,,this is 5'11 5'10 fella,,no 5'10 200lb bench over 300 lb for reps of 10 with out hormones in systenm either few or more only he knows,, 190-200lb fella 5'10 that bench 300+ lb 315+ for reps of 10 is on hormones! period
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it always makes me laugh that u think there's an absolute limit for a natural trainer.
so YOU take whatever u believe this natural limit to be, and then believe NO ONE who walks this planet can better your supposed limit....even u can see that this is ridiculous.
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dont even argue with them ,,i didnt take good lok at the ursus fella but i did atjamaica boy,,you are talking here about hormonized lifts ,,and hormonized size,,not a lot of size btu conditioned size which is always in every single case hormonized to some degree,,
any 200lb fella who can push 300+ lb on barberl for reps of 10 is HORMONIZED,,if you ever see bodybuild at 190lb sitting on hack and push 5 plates each side of the hack for reps of 10 ....this fella is SWIIMMMMING IN HORMOONES CONSISTANTLY WITH NO TIME OFF FOR MONTTHS
i really dont think fellas here know what it is to push 405 lb on bench for reps,,they dont understand how hard it is if you are only 200lb ,,it got to be conditioned muscle for it to happen ,,
few other things got to be there for the bodybuild to push very heavy weight
1 trenbolona ace will always be there
2 halo and or testosterona will always be there
CONDITIONED SIZE AND HEAVY LIFTING IS ALWYS A DIRECT DEPENDENT OF A DRUG CALLED TRENBOLONA AND A DRUG CALLED TESTOSTERONA ,,HALO is what gets you to break records and put it on new minimums
i really despize liars,,and i dont understand why bodybuild lie to eachother in this case,,this is really nto impressive to lie to other bodybuld,,remember they are your brothers in iron not some whore in swimming pool,,
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lol this is the funniest shit ive read here all week.
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What if there is someone even more genetically gifted man compared to mesmorph? ::) He could build his arms to 22" naturally. ::) And mesmorph has to cry over his 21" pea shooters. ::)
(I know mesmorph claims 19. something on his arms, but I'm sure he can build them up to 21" naturally in a next few years. ::))
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So a short fat but stroing 200lb guy with 10 years training will and should never bench 300x10 naturally?
Honestly.......again, just from what I have personally seen.....The most I have ever seen a 200# guy do natural was 4-5 reps of 315. Not to say it's impossible, just saying that on getbig every 200# guy is doing that and more for reps.......
Getbig.......attracting the gentic elite since Ronaldo burped it up.
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Honestly.......again, just from what I have personally seen.....The most I have ever seen a 200# guy do natural was 4-5 reps of 315. Not to say it's impossible, just saying that on getbig every 200# guy is doing that and more for reps.......
Getbig.......attracting the gentic elite since Ronaldo burped it up.
haha oh wow, you make me laugh like the Sunday funnies.
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Honestly.......again, just from what I have personally seen.....The most I have ever seen a 200# guy do natural was 4-5 reps of 315. Not to say it's impossible, just saying that on getbig every 200# guy is doing that and more for reps.......
Getbig.......attracting the gentic elite since Ronaldo burped it up.
wow! I hit 315 for 4 reps in high school while in powerlifting and I wasnt even the strongest on my team. Ive been to lots of gyms here in Texas and in Colorado Ive seen dudes do 315 in every gym! I just cant see understand how you think 315 can't be pressed by a natural 200lb guy?
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wow! I hit 315 for 4 reps in high school while in powerlifting and I wasnt even the strongest on my team. Ive been to lots of gyms here in Texas and in Colorado Ive seen dudes do 315 in every gym! I just cant see understand how you think 315 can't be pressed by a natural 200lb guy?
I didn't say it couldn't.......re-read my post.
How often do you see 200# guys repping 315 for 10?
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it always makes me laugh that u think there's an absolute limit for a natural trainer.
so YOU take whatever u believe this natural limit to be, and then believe NO ONE who walks this planet can better your supposed limit....even u can see that this is ridiculous.
;D look at the essays he keeps following me from thread to thread writing trying to get a response from me .....
that alone shows you ... his mental state.
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;D look at the essays he keeps following me from thread to thread writing trying to get a response from me .....
that alone shows you ... his mental state.
I know you posted pics awhile back...you ever post any videos of your lifts?
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ive been posting progressive clips of my lifts here for years...
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ive been posting progressive clips of my lifts here for years...
I haven't really paid attention to you....links?
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Nature throws up genetic anomolies from time to time.
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Nature throws up genetic anomolies from time to time.
And they all post on getbig.
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There are 6 BILLION PEOPLE in this world!! Some have giant calves or thighs or arms.....whats the big deal? You do the best you can and ONLY YOU decide when youve reached your genetic level.
Im glad there wasnt an interenet in the 80's, you guys may have convinced me i couldnt acheive things that i did.
Want to hear something crazy to your little minds. I benched 525lbs in 1989. Raw...no shirt, no hip lifting off bench. And my best benching came after i swore off barbells and went to dumbells for 3x10's. When i went back to barbell my bench was up about 80lbs!
Now go out and do that drug free, cuz i have freed your minds from the idea you cant. 8)
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Nature throws up genetic anomolies from time to time.
Funny how these "anomolies" didn't exist until the drug era. ::)
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not saying im an anomaly.... at all
bu just because you have certain set limits in regards what a natural can lift
doesnt mean its an absolute for 6 billion people....
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for all the negative sarcasrtic.. fuckers here thak god for positive posters....
and posters who actually post material and contribute information..
all some of you guys do is sit here wait till some one posts material... and criticize and cast accusations
how sad...
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Funny how these "anomolies" didn't exist until the drug era. ::)
Robert Wadlow was 8'11" and born in 1918
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Once again I would be interested to see photos of these people who say it cannot be done.
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Robert Wadlow was 8'11" and born in 1918
No way!!!!!! Im not 8'11" so he cant be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ill bet he was a GH JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!! Illl bet the photo's are Photoshopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The body can do crazy things!
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Once again I would be interested to see photos of these people who say it cannot be done.
Not saying anything is impossible, just that all of these anomalies post here at getbig.
How much weight do you use for barbell rows?
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Robert Wadlow was 8'11" and born in 1918
WHAT 1918 !!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!! iD HAVE TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT!!!!!! nO ONE COULD HAVE BEEN BORN THEN!!!!!!!!!hE MUST BE AN ATTENTION WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not saying anything is impossible, just that all of these anomalies post here at getbig.
How much weight do you use for barbell rows?
Arent we lucky. :)
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Not saying anything is impossible, just that all of these anomalies post here at getbig.
How much weight do you use for barbell rows?
BTW I do not know any 200lb guys who could do 300x10, one guy was 210 but he was 19. Stumpy arms barrel chest. Not lean.
Em work up to around 340-50lbs not great form
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Arent we lucky. :)
It's fate I tell ya!! :D
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whats funny is ... i love when people use arnold and coleman as absolutes for strenght and behave as if no normal human can come withing 100lbs of their lifts.. when u have youtube vids for example showing guys who bench more..by far.and of course it would be impossible for any of those guys to post here...
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BTW I do not know any 200lb guys who could do 300x10, one guy was 210 but he was 19. Stumpy arms barrel chest. Not lean.
Em work up to around 340-50lbs not great form
dont mind chaos....
what you should have retorted is has he met every 200lb guy on planet earth..
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whats funny is ... i love when people use arnold and coleman as absolutes for strenght and behave as if no normal human can come withing 100lbs of their lifts.. when u have youtube vids for example showing guys who bench more..by far.and of course it would be impossible for any of those guys to post here...
And those guys that bench more "by far" are natural too, right?
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Robert Wadlow was 8'11" and born in 1918
Oooooh yeah we were talking about height here. ::)
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Oooooh yeah we were talking about height here. ::)
Zoomed right over you,didnt it. You control alot of your future klaus, maybe you should stop limiting your mind and body.
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I'm not limiting myself one bit, infact I have crazy dreams as a long time goals, I don't even want to say them. ;D
I know that freaks have always existed. But we were talking about muscle size and strength. Please, show me one ultra muscular guy before drugs who didn't have any disorders. ::)
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And those guys that bench more "by far" are natural too, right?
dont know dont care.... all i need to know is that im natural...
i leave insecure underachievers worry about
that im secure in my abilities...
hope that helped
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dont know dont care.... all i need to know is that im natural...
i leave insecure underachievers worry about
that im secure in my abilities...
hope that helped
No hahahaha. You are everything BUT secure about yourself. ::)
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dont know dont care.... all i need to know is that im natural...
i leave insecure underachievers worry about
that im secure in my abilities...
hope that helped
Your roid rage bitter attitude is always helpful.
Do you see the difference in the way Ursus is carrying on a conversation and you are being confrontational?
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No hahahaha. You are everything BUT secure about yourself. ::)
This.
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I'm not limiting myself one bit, infact I have crazy dreams as a long time goals, I don't even want to say them. ;D
I know that freaks have always existed. But we were talking about muscle size and strength. Please, show me one ultra muscular guy before drugs who didn't have any disorders. ::)
You must be young then. Other day i saw a guy at the gym who was in town for an ironman triathalon. So he was skinny, muscles kinda boring. Then my friend says look at his calves......good lord they were like dorians or paul demayos.....striated and huge from every angle! The heads of each side almost hung off the bone until he took a step. Now I have good calves, but these were on a different planet and the dude was embarassed as hell cuz the rest of him was wimpy. I had a friend in high school who got to 19" arms as an 17yr old senoir. We know cuz we all had weightlifting class and the coach had us measure every 3 months. He would flex his bicep and it was like a damn softball curling up....im not kidding. He would curl with the 45s on each side like it ws nothing. No drugs back then cuz we were both from poor families and even school lunch was a priveledge we looked forward to. So this is how i set no limits in my mind.....cuz i saw my freind do it.....so i did it. They are out there klaus.
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All some needs is a T level higher than normal or a slightly over active pituitary gland and teh physical differences are stark.
Louis Cyr was a v strong man
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Your roid rage bitter attitude is always helpful.
Do you see the difference in the way Ursus is carrying on a conversation and you are being confrontational?
maybe you see it as confrontational because you fall into the aforementioned category...
ive seen you and what you look like never seen the need to comment or say A or B
you have seen me and you hae commented how many times?? accused how many times??
i even still have pms form you in my inbox...
someone owns the others mind..
enjoy the rest of your evening bro..
mes
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maybe you see it as confrontational because you fall into the aforementioned category...
ive seen you and what you look like never seen the need to comment or say A or B
you have seen me and you hae commented how many times?? accused how many times??
i even still have pms form you in my inbox...
someone owns the others mind..
enjoy the rest of your evening bro..
mes
LOL, I just can't stand liars man, but I'm sure you have your reasons, whatever they may be.
Have a good evening.
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dont know dont care.... all i need to know is that im natural...
i leave insecure underachievers worry about
that im secure in my abilities...
hope that helped
this may be the funniest thing ever posted on Getbig
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this may be the funniest thing ever posted on Getbig
Go to the training board and check out ygdonbodybuilders training thread....... ;)
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You must be young then. Other day i saw a guy at the gym who was in town for an ironman triathalon. So he was skinny, muscles kinda boring. Then my friend says look at his calves......good lord they were like dorians or paul demayos.....striated and huge from every angle! The heads of each side almost hung off the bone until he took a step. Now I have good calves, but these were on a different planet and the dude was embarassed as hell cuz the rest of him was wimpy. I had a friend in high school who got to 19" arms as an 17yr old senoir. We know cuz we all had weightlifting class and the coach had us measure every 3 months. He would flex his bicep and it was like a damn softball curling up....im not kidding. He would curl with the 45s on each side like it ws nothing. No drugs back then cuz we were both from poor families and even school lunch was a priveledge we looked forward to. So this is how i set no limits in my mind.....cuz i saw my freind do it.....so i did it. They are out there klaus.
I'm still waiting. Picture, a film, anything presenting a man before steroids with something that could be comparable to a over 19" arm with 8 % bodyfat.
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BTW I do not know any 200lb guys who could do 300x10, one guy was 210 but he was 19. Stumpy arms barrel chest. Not lean.
Em work up to around 340-50lbs not great form
again if you read the bible more rather than argue you woudl understand that EVERYTHING gh15 imply to is fellas that are bodybuulders ,,that mean lean ,,that mean when fat they are 12-13% ,,you know it you just chose to twist it to fit what you want to believe in ,,,
there is NO 200lb single digit body fat fellas 6-8% who bench 3+ plates of 45s each side of barberll for sets of 10! truly naturaly,,,nada,,none ,,zip,,
you wont find them ,,only hormonized to SOME degree it will be done,,
i always say here i talk about lean fellas,,lean fellas is sub 10% and i give it another 2-4% for bodybuild that play around with heavy aromatizing hormones
you will never find the numbers i put here done NATURALY never ever,,you will find fellas who say they are natural and do it but they LIE they are nto natural ,,same as chris faildo lie about natural status ,,same as kyovi doodi lie about natural status with no shame and he has a kid he lie to the kid face about many things not only hormones,,same as jamaica boy lie ,,same as our dilthy cult lie for god knows what reason ,,take the coach for example quite alright person with good heart but guess what he lied to tlelin he didnt even know what trenbolona was....
you got here a jamaica boy that lift 10 years and saying he never even heard about PRO HORMONES i mean i hope you understand the redicoulous of this ,,you got here professionals in the field like van b ,,like myself ...we sit here and really dont know if to cry or to laugh at thsoe lies,, peope in the know like actualy IN THE KNOW like digusted ,,like the fella from egypt who just won the comeptition there i forgot his name bloosimos? you know who im talkin about,,people who actualy know whats up sitting and really loking at you like fools ,,its sad
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I'm still waiting. Picture, a film, anything presenting a man before steroids with something that could be comparable to a over 19" arm with 8 % bodyfat.
Dont need to. Youd just make excuses for it klaus. Live in your little world with your little mind. This is like putting lipstick on a pig.
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When I was 17 I also had 19" arms from eating one meal a day at the high school cafeteria but I decided to downsize and go for the Health look.
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again if you read the bible more rather than argue you woudl understand that EVERYTHING gh15 imply to is fellas that are bodybuulders ,,that mean lean ,,that mean when fat they are 12-13% ,,you know it you just chose to twist it to fit what you want to believe in ,,,
there is NO 200lb single digit body fat fellas 6-8% who bench 3+ plates of 45s each side of barberll for sets of 10! truly naturaly,,,nada,,none ,,zip,,
you wont find them ,,only hormonized to SOME degree it will be done,,
i always say here i talk about lean fellas,,lean fellas is sub 10% and i give it another 2-4% for bodybuild that play around with heavy aromatizing hormones
you will never find the numbers i put here done NATURALY never ever,,you will find fellas who say they are natural and do it but they LIE they are nto natural ,,same as chris faildo lie about natural status ,,same as kyovi doodi lie about natural status with no shame and he has a kid he lie to the kid face about many things not only hormones,,same as jamaica boy lie ,,same as our dilthy cult lie for god knows what reason ,,take the coach for example quite alright person with good heart but guess what he lied to tlelin he didnt even know what trenbolona was....
you got here a jamaica boy that lift 10 years and saying he never even heard about PRO HORMONES i mean i hope you understand the redicoulous of this ,,you got here professionals in the field like van b ,,like myself ...we sit here and really dont know if to cry or to laugh at thsoe lies,, peope in the know like actualy IN THE KNOW like digusted ,,like the fella from egypt who just won the comeptition there i forgot his name bloosimos? you know who im talkin about,,people who actualy know whats up sitting and really loking at you like fools ,,its sad
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You have alot of contempt and a bad attitude. You must be a republican.
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Dont need to. Youd just make excuses for it klaus. Live in your little world with your little mind. This is like putting lipstick on a pig.
Love truth hurts.
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and a final thing to end this debate once and for all,,
listen ill put it in capital,,
ANY ONE WHO IS GENETIC MARVEL ,,THERE IS NONE ,,BUT ANY ONE WHO IS ,,WELL ITS NOT THAT THERE IS NONE ITS JUST THAT RON COLMAN DOESNT COME EVERY DAY AND EVEN HE HAD TO USE LOTTTTTTTS OF HORMONES,,BUT ANY GENETIC MARVEL IF WAS TRULY NATURAL WOULD RUN RUNNNNNNNNNNNNN
ON STAGE TO WIN TITLES AND WOULD MAKE MONEY OUT OF OUR CULT,,OUR CULT LOVE TO GIVE CONTRACTES TO PHENOMENONS,,TRUST ME IF JAMAICA KID WAS SPECIAL OR VERY VERY STRONGOR SPECIALY BUILT WITH HUGE ARMS AND LOW BODY FAT AND ALL PROPORTINONATE...HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN A MAGAZINE CONTRACT DOING COMMERICIALS FOR BOW FLEX NEXT TO OTHER FITNESS MODELS LIKE THE SAGI KALEVS OF THE WORLD,,FOR LOTS MORE MONEY BODYBUILD BRINGS,, HE DOESNT! NO ONE WHO BREATH BODYBUILD AND POWERLIFT AND LIFTING WOULD PASS ON OPORTUNITY TO MAKE LOTS OF MONEY FROM THE FITNESS MARKET AND HE WOULD IF WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE WHICH IS NTO TRUE IN ANY OTHR CASE INCLUDING HIS CASE,,
IF HE WAS TRULY NATURAL,,,EVERYTHING WOULD BE DEVELOPED ,,LEGS AND EVERYTHIGN ELSE,, TO SAME DEGREE,,NOTHIGN WOUDL BE HUGE OR VERY LARGE AT LOW BODY FAT ,,IT WOUDL ALL FLOW RIGHT AND WOULD ALL BE LIKE ONE UNIT MESURING THE BEST NATURAL MESURMENTS WHICH ARE ROUND 16.5-17.5 INCH ARMS AT LOW SINGLES FOR THE MOST TALENTED 5'11 NATURALS....
HE WOULD GO ON HORMONES THEN AND WIN BIGGER AND BIGGER COMPETITION AND WE WOULD ACTUALY HAVE SOMEONE UNLIEK PHIL HEATH THAT CAN CARRY THE TORCH ...WE DONT! WHY? BECAUSE ALL OF YOU FUCKTARDS AREDOING HORMONES BTU DISCOVER HOW HARD IT IS TO ACTUALY LOOK LIKE BODYBUILDER AND HOW MUCH IT TAKES AND HOW LONG AND HOW MUCH HEALTH RISK IT INVOLVES AND HOW MUCH GAMBLING,,AND HOW LUCKY YOU NEED TO BE AND HOW MUCH TIME AND REST YOU NEED TO HAVE AND HOW MUCH 24 7 YOU NEED TO PAY A TTENTION TO EVERYTHING,,AND HOW MUCH CONNECTIONS YOU HAVE TO HAVE ,,AND HOW MUCH MONEY AND BEGGING AND FRSSTRATIONS ,,AND HOW MUCH STRESS FREE YOU NEED AND EVERYTHING STRESSFUL PUSH YOU BACK ONE SQUARE....
jamaica kid is not natural ,,he is natural liar,,, i put my gh15 name on it ,,there is no ifs or buts,, its not like he started hormonizing himself at 208 lb ,,its a process,,he was single digit and low singles at 190+ 5'11 and he was already on some stuff,,not an injection fella but he was on ,, now day if i see pictures ill tell you EXACTLY what he is on including the injects ,,the protocol ,,the timing ,,and the dose
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You have alot of contempt and a bad attitude. You must be a republican.
i have reality ! and that is the most importanto factor in bodybuild,,there is a reason why some go on stage and win nationals or usa 195lb 5'10 and others walk around 220 lb single digit...and cant win local mr neiberhood show
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427 1/3
How many reps you getting with this poundage?
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GH15 bringing the truth to this thread...! :o
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i have reality ! and that is the most importanto factor in bodybuild,,there is a reason why some go on stage and win nationals or usa 195lb 5'10 and others walk around 220 lb single digit...and cant win local mr neiberhood show
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Meso 78 has more a darrem charles type physique. He wouldnt be a world star and neither would I cuz you need to have the whole package with minimal weakness. But there are guys with great genetics who would never shave down and show their ass for some shmoes onstage. Its funny you think any guy would do that GH15 because that is the little world you live in. But most guys are content to raise families and go to mud bogs and shit........seriously.
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Natural nowdays = <1000 mg of test, where is he lying? you dummies 8)
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Meso 78 has more a darrem charles type physique. He wouldnt be a world star and neither would I cuz you need to have the whole package with minimal weakness. But there are guys with great genetics who would never shave down and show their ass for some shmoes onstage. Its funny you think any guy would do that GH15 because that is the little world you live in. But most guys are content to raise families and go to mud bogs and shit........seriously.
lol,,darem? one of the best 100 bodybuilders in ifbb history ,,you lost your mind,,darem charles was using hormones just like any other one of us out there,,but his TYPE OF PHYSIQE...DIDNT LET HIM BECOME MASS MONSTER,,sooo he used it to his benefit and kept the lines and kept the condition and worked on CONDITONED SIZE,,and made damage in smaller shows,,won them all ,,and made money out of bodybuild....
but darem charles was hormonized like any one of us and from early age lol
amazing how you relate size and steroid,,no connection between the 2,,,i keep tellin you 190lb physiqe 6% wipe the floor with 230lb physie 10% ..same height fellas
conditon is ALWAYS > than size ,,you can have 19 inch arm but if your conditon is not to a poitn you can see the vein that go from the delt into the chest... then your 19 inch arm wont do anything when you and your bud take your shirts off and he wipe the floor with you due to his CONDITION ,,
weight on scale means nothing if it doesnt come with CONDITION AND SYMETRY AND PROPORTIONS,, lean it felas
32 inch waist alwys better than 36 inch waist no matter how much more weight the 36 inch waist fella has on him....
the magic of bodybuild is in fellas who can pull 32 inch waist and carry 220 lb in cometetive condition ...this is where bodybuilding magic sit,,all the other 260lb 37 inch insulina gh fucktards always finish 16th in national,,they are not bodybuilders they are drug addicts
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BTW I do not know any 200lb guys who could do 300x10, one guy was 210 but he was 19. Stumpy arms barrel chest. Not lean.
Em work up to around 340-50lbs not great form
There's a 200lbs Polish guy in my gym who ive seen bench 200kg x 4
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Go to the training board and check out ygdonbodybuilders training thread....... ;)
I've seen this thread, I've been checking his log most days.
Im not sure why u feel the need to give everyone a hard time that happens to be strong....bit sad really
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I've seen this thread, I've been checking his log most days.
Im not sure why u feel the need to give everyone a hard time that happens to be strong....bit sad really
Per se have you seen this guy though
Geez I tell you it's always the people who have no business commenting or criticising who are most vocal.
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Your roid rage bitter attitude is always helpful.
Do you see the difference in the way Ursus is carrying on a conversation and you are being confrontational?
Agree, Goudzilla is a gentle giant - strong where it counts.
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Per Se...its not a matter of being strong, its a matter of claiming natural and hitting numbers that guys that juice AND outweigh him by 100#'s are hitting.
Why lie?
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32 inch waist alwys better than 36 inch waist no matter how much more weight the 36 inch waist fella has on him....
How big are the larger pros waists on contest day? Jay looks like he has a 40" waist with abs.
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Per Se...its not a matter of being strong, its a matter of claiming natural and hitting numbers that guys that juice AND outweigh him by 100#'s are hitting.Why lie?
you do realise that per se knows me personally in real life... for years
just saying...
you need to let it go
answer the question of the thread
im really not that important
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Oooohhh!!! Now we can all see why he would defend you so vehemently....
LOL!! Take care fellas. :)
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Because he knows the truth...
Anyway this is all pointless your a troll I'm not
So no point me playing this whole back and forth stuff
Doesn't matter if you believe...
Would be cool if this thread could get back on track
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Because he knows the truth...
Anyway this is all pointless your a troll I'm not
So no point me playing this whole back and forth stuff
Doesn't matter if you believe...
Would be cool if this thread could get back on track
What would you consider "on track"? Everyone jacking you off over your physique?
This seems like a pretty typical GB thread to me. Go to bodybuilding.com or whatever if you want a bunch of "Great work bro! What's your protein brand??".
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I haven't posted a pic of my physique in 5 years
The title of the thread is what's you max dungeon press
State it or fuck off
Cheers
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I haven't posted a pic of my physique in 5 years
The title of the thread is what's you max dungeon press
State it or fuck off
Cheers
Haha, yes a thread filled with "X pounds for Y reps." Sounds like a real page turner!
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Whatever you say son
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This is a typical Getbig thread.....you know, the kind where the majority get together and lie about what they can do.
Cheers! :D
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meso, I will be honest with you
you are a skinny insecure bitch who took roids and now cries for attention .. the guys who actually have good genes compete ... you look good slightly bloated in the gym but dried out on a stage you are nothing special ..
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Whatever you say son
I'm not your "son".
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i can do 135 for like 15...
thats the highest gay ass LA Fitness goes up to.
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Someday you gotta Option D your ass down here and tear shit up with a cracka!
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amongst powerlifters your numbers equate to great if you are a girl that is
amongst bodybuilders you are a nobody who never was .. a bicep peak attached to a skinnier version of paula suzuki off cycle
now fuck off
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Cleanest Natural laying down ownings.
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This is a typical Getbig thread.....you know, the kind where the majority get together and lie about what they can do.
Cheers! :D
I didn't lie.
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Someday you gotta Option D your ass down here and tear shit up with a cracka!
I Been back on it bro... come up to hollywood high with us..
hey what happened to all that equipment at the k.. we need some donations for hollywoods weightroom
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I didn't lie.
::)
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All that stuff is just sittin there, what a waste.
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i can do 135 for like 15...
thats the highest gay ass LA Fitness goes up to.
when I get out there later this year,,can we meat up with chrome dome and make fun of him?? ;D
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In contrast to goudys bench thread
What's your max dumbbell press
Mine
160 10 reps flat
Could go heavier but that's the heaviest dumbbell in my gym
::) OK
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130s - shoulder presses
150s - chest press (heaviest dbs I've come across)
90s - front raises
100s - hammer curls
I could go on and on... ::)
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I have never done over 100 db ... always with strict form after pre-exhaustion
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All that stuff is just sittin there, what a waste.
What's the address?..........I have a big ole truck ;D
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130s - shoulder presses
150s - chest press (heaviest dbs I've come across)
90s - front raises
100s - hammer curls
I could go on and on... ::)
Good lifts man
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90s - front raises
This is in kg's or a warm-up, I presume?
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All that stuff is just sittin there, what a waste.
ok i gotta get in contact with someone.. we need some shit
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What's the address?..........I have a big ole truck ;D
Why so you can take it home ???
.....and have it just sit there ;D
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Per Se...its not a matter of being strong, its a matter of claiming natural and hitting numbers that guys that juice AND outweigh him by 100#'s are hitting.
Why lie?
Yes YG is very strong....at 210 he can pull 585. I know someone who is 19, natural and recently pulled that in a powerlifting meet...and he weighs 180lbs.
Just because YG or Meso or whoever is stronger than the norm, it doesnt automatically make them liars...regarding being drug free.
I'll be honest I do see quite a lot of ppl that have great genes in my gym, and I'm sure if all of them were to post on getbig, urself, gh15, sevastae etc would go into cardiac arrest. And im not even talking about freaks, just guys with good genetics, who also train very hard. For example today i saw this kid, Ghanaian, only about 175, 5'7" but RIPPED, and he benched 315 for an easy 2. i was very impressed. My good friend who has been training for about 6 yrs, 5'7", has a small frame, but has 19" guns....he's 190lbs. his arms are better than pretty much everyones in the gym, including juicers who outweigh him by 60lbs. benches 365 for a few reps...he has a twin brother who is an inch taller and maybe 15 pounds heavier, he benches 405. these are just a couple of examples that i see everyday.
at the risk of turning this into a racial thing, but i notice all the getbig posters who call ppl liars etc all seem to be white and probably live in white places. I reckon there is a disproportionate amount ppl of west african/Caribbean origion, with very good genes, and as u guys dnt see this on a daily basis, it does make u kinda ignorant to certain truths....and makes u focus too much on gh15's natural limit principles.
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lol@PerSe
another guy who knows some guy at the gym etc etc
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lol@PerSe
another guy who knows some guy at the gym etc etc
"My good friend who has Pro-size arms at 190 lbs".
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Lots of angry people in this thread.
I could train all my life, best coaches, best diet and best training and still probaly never break 10.7 in the 100m. Same way some people are just bigger or stronger naturally than other people.
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LMFAO! ;D
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lol@PerSe
another guy who knows some guy at the gym etc etc
Thanks for proving my point...YOU don't see it, so you don't believe it.
It begs the question, what is the maximum arm size a 5'7" 190lb natural trainer can have? What's acceptable for you...SERIOUS question.
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gh15s belief that everybody has the same frame size and genetic limitations isn't very believable.
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gh15s belief that everybody has the same frame size and genetic limitations isn't very believable.
no! ,,not everyone has same frame size,,NEVER SAID THAT,,some big boned people especialy americanos,,some with small bone,,some with balonie bone,,some with no bone,,some people large some peeople smalle,,but you are new here or not dont matter,, i say if refering to gh15 you first rread bible ,,gh15 doesnt like to answer same thing over and over even though does it for benefit of upcoming bodybuild,,
the frame size give max 10lb of difference bwteen heaviest individual and lightest one,,max 10 lb ...the rest is fatttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttt and waterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrr,,
now,,to the question above,, 5'7 will never be 190lb naturaly that sthe problelm you got here,,he wil be if he is 18% bodyfat or over,,then yes...
so....if 5'7 18% 190lb he can have a 17 inch arm mesured while flexing,,ofcourswe this arm is maybe 15.5 inches when sub 10% and in reality the 5'7 fella will also be 155-165 lb while at this bodyfat and mesurment,,
so yes a true 190 5'7 arm size if gifted and has nice muscle shape and nice beautiful bone ::) his arm size iwl be 16 inches in good wet pumpy flexy kinda day ,,when all compasses sit right and the sun is shining,,
15.5 -16.5 inches arm ,,walk on stage with 15 inch arms at5-6% if shredded naturaly
now ! this is the truth in your face,,not nice to hear but! the truth!
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and for the ursus fella,, no there are no numbers you talk abotu as natural ,,,thee are liars who will sit on internet all day long to spit liars because they want to be blieved as naturals,,remember there are liars who sit among us who claim natural like faildo,,kyoshoo,, skippy and jeff ,,nortom and ifbb pro the brother sanches i mean rodrizez...
they all claim naturals....they all sit and lie ,,they even make some money off bodybuild,,THEY SWIMMMM IN HORMONES,,infact not only swim in hormones but in many cases take more stuff than top npc competitors ,,
it is a shame,,but everyone knows it today BECAUSE gh15 was kind enough to lead the way for over half a decade and explain the situation so now day those fellas are laughed at rather than respected!
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no! ,,not everyone has same frame size,,NEVER SAID THAT,,some big boned people especialy americanos,,some with small bone,,some with balonie bone,,some with no bone,,some people large some peeople smalle,,but you are new here or not dont matter,, i say if refering to gh15 you first rread bible ,,gh15 doesnt like to answer same thing over and over even though does it for benefit of upcoming bodybuild,,
the frame size give max 10lb of difference bwteen heaviest individual and lightest one,,max 10 lb ...the rest is fatttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttt and waterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrr,,
now,,to the question above,, 5'7 will never be 190lb naturaly that sthe problelm you got here,,he wil be if he is 18% bodyfat or over,,then yes...
so....if 5'7 18% 190lb he can have a 17 inch arm mesured while flexing,,ofcourswe this arm is maybe 15.5 inches when sub 10% and in reality the 5'7 fella will also be 155-165 lb while at this bodyfat and mesurment,,
so yes a true 190 5'7 arm size if gifted and has nice muscle shape and nice beautiful bone ::) his arm size iwl be 16 inches in good wet pumpy flexy kinda day ,,when all compasses sit right and the sun is shining,,
15.5 -16.5 inches arm ,,walk on stage with 15 inch arms at5-6% if shredded naturaly
now ! this is the truth in your face,,not nice to hear but! the truth!
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What u just wrote is fucking bullshit.
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What u just wrote is fucking bullshit.
no what i just wrote is REALITY IN YOUR FACE,,because i train those naturals and they are getting pro cards,, 6'2 4.5% 194lb 16 inch arm ...getting his pro card,,
another 5'7 150 lb 5% 15.25 inch arms best shape small bone extomorph from indonisia,,,getting his pro card naturally
those are the numbers my friend,,the numbers of TRUE NATURALS not liar mother fuckin disgusting liars like you and the shit stains in this thread and bodybuild in general now day
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What u just wrote is fucking bullshit.
you have NO IDEA what you are talking about,,the numbers you give here,,the shit you talk about,,the crazy claims,,you have absolitly no idea what true natural pro is,,you fellas are LIARS,, naturals in great shape at 5'7 dont even see the number 16 inch in arm mesurements,, try to get 5% naturally ...even the 1 tall fella i was talking about got to 4.5 because he did something but i stil consider it naturaly ,,
you fella have no clue absilitly no clue,, you think i will sit here and just say stuff with out knowing ? i fuckin make my living off this shit
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The thing to remember about gh15 is that he's always talking about dudes who are like 6% bodyfat.
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I think some people in this thread have lost site of what is probable for a natural vs juiced.
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I am not trying to be confrontational but I am basing this on what i can do, I have good genetics for size and strength. The best? Noway but I would say I am in the top 5% of genetics for both size and strength.
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I am not trying to be confrontational but I am basing this on what i can do, I have good genetics for size and strength. The best? Noway but I would say I am in the top 5% of genetics for both size and strength.
I don't doubt your numbers at all, how do you feel about guys 50lbs lighter than you matching your lifts, naturally? I mean since you are in the top 5% of genetics for size and strength a guy 50lbs lighter than you and natural, matching your lifts would have to be like a one in 6 billion chance right? Except according to a couple guys here there is a gym full of them somewhere hidden in the jungle. :)
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Take into account if they have been training longer that I could and shorter stumpier arms I would say it is possible. A lot of it is leverage etc particularly bench pressing.
I am 25 now, who knows what I may or may not lift in 10 years.
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Take into account if they have been training longer that I could and shorter stumpier arms I would say it is possible. A lot of it is leverage etc particularly bench pressing.
I am 25 now, who knows what I may or may not lift in 10 years.
LOL, you're such a nice guy, how did you ever work a door? ;D
You still do that?
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Yea still do it.
Being nice to people works man. Touch wood I never get hurt.
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Yea still do it.
Being nice to people works man. Touch wood I never get hurt.
It works face to face, but deep down inside, you have to question the things you read. You're not dumb, you been around a gym for awhile, I know you can think logically. I don't expect you to acknowledge it here, but I know you know. ;)
BTW, that's a nice picture you drew on the training board. ;D
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there is NO 200lb single digit body fat fellas 6-8% who bench 3+ plates of 45s each side of barberll for sets of 10! truly naturaly,,,nada,,none ,,zip,,
you wont find them ,,only hormonized to SOME degree it will be done,,
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of course there are. in high school at 195pounds i was competition pressing 350. In college, at around the same weight I was incline pressing 275 for sets of 10. Am I the strongest natty under 200? nope.
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It works face to face, but deep down inside, you have to question the things you read. You're not dumb, you been around a gym for awhile, I know you can think logically. I don't expect you to acknowledge it here, but I know you know. ;)
BTW, that's a nice picture you drew on the training board. ;D
LOL I know these people are not in EVERY gym, but they do exist. I do not for one second do not believe that a man at 200lbs cannot press 300x10 naturally. It can be done!
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105s for 2 reps on flat :(
but I max out on bench at 285 8)
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LOL I know these people are not in EVERY gym, but they do exist. I do not for one second do not believe that a man at 200lbs cannot press 300x10 naturally. It can be done!
For shits and giggles, think you could scour youtube or anywhere for that matter and post a video of a 200lber naturally pressing 300X10?
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For shits and giggles, think you could scour youtube or anywhere for that matter and post a video of a 200lber naturally pressing 300X10?
Somehow all these super-athletes are totally shy and would never think about competing in sports even if their natural abilites could bring them a few 1000 if not more bucks.... ::) ::) ::)
And also to these super athletes, the idea to go on the sauce and break all olympic records would never occur to them.... ::) ::)
With great power comes great shyness... ::) ::) ::)
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For shits and giggles, think you could scour youtube or anywhere for that matter and post a video of a 200lber naturally pressing 300X10?
Are we talking 300x10 or 315x10? I've been able to hit 300x10 under 200 pounds a few times in my life. 315x10, I dont think so. I could hit 315 for 6-8 reps back in the day at 195.
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Are we talking 300x10 or 315x10? I've been able to hit 300x10 under 200 pounds a few times in my life. 315x10, I dont think so. I could hit 315 for 6-8 reps back in the day at 195.
Natural? Videos?
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Ignore the title in this video its wrong
This guy Peter trains in my gym. This is only 286-90lbs but 10 reps. He weights about 185 max.
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Natural? Videos?
of course natural. No videos Im not that vain nor did I think to myself five years ago, " I should probably record this to prove online that I did it". Believe it or dont, its all good. Im about 220 right now and can still hit 295 for a good 6-8 and I havent been working out that consistently for a long time(few years). Im sure if i put 16-20 weeks together I could lose those 20 pounds while improving my bench to meet the 300x10. I was actually about to start cutting anyways in 3 weeks, so I'll use this as a goal and I'll reference this thread when I do it.
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183lbs
155lbs
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Ignore the title in this video its wrong
This guy Peter trains in my gym. This is only 286-90lbs but 10 reps. He weights about 185 max.
Awesome job, obviously trains for powerlifting by his set up. His BW.....looks to be quite tall, but it's hard to tell.
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of course there are. in high school at 195pounds i was competition pressing 350. In college, at around the same weight I was incline pressing 275 for sets of 10. Am I the strongest natty under 200? nope.
lol,,J U I C E D ,,juiced can be many things from tabs to injects to peptides to anything you can order online now day and trust me the all americano highschools are FULL FULL FULL of hormonized kids,,they dont even look hormonized and they are! why dont they look hornmonized? many reason among them no idea of what products to use ,,no idea how to cut and what needed,,and then there are kids who know very well from internet era awhat to do from reading,,they know that materona will make you loo natural due to completr elimination of estrogenic sides ,,they know that ae and ai is balonie and that we only use masterona....they know trenbolona = strength multiple to the 9th degree,,they know lots of things,,
trust me on every lift you think is natural 10 reps 300+ there is a highschool kido or college that just poped in some turinabol or their favortie var or superdrol ,,but it is mainly the var that highschool kids love,,superdrol is hard for them to get now,,so they go with var and drol in many times combos of both ...they do it for a month or 2 then meet a girl they like in the frat party ,,then bodybuild and lifting is doen for them all at once and they are back to the chubb chubb they been before in record time ,,one thing they still do is drinking their 12 pack beers every coupel days until girl dump them or they get bored,,then they ar eback in the gym again tablets routine....the smarter ones go on injects and asgain few months down the road meet a girl and story go on and on ,,thats why they never grow to new minimums ,,thats why they only get strong temporarily ,,thats why bodybuilding is in the shits!
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Natural? Videos?
not at 6-8%,,because natural woudnt be able to keep being 190-200lb at 6-8% lol,,thats the all thing im trying to get in those fellas heads
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183lbs
155lbs
Do you think the top guy is natural?
The bottom guy doesn't weigh 155lbs....
I guess I asked for that. I mean I could pull up youtube videos proving anything I want, including the existance of god/aliens/illuminati/lizard people/etc/etc......LOL.
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Do you think the top guy is natural?
I don't know.
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The thing to remember about gh15 is that he's always talking about dudes who are like 6% bodyfat.
This... I think this fact is lost alot on these guys , sure you can put weight on at any given height but your BF is going to go up also, thats not whats being debated here.
10% and under is a diff ballgame.
I disagree with my bro WillGrant and think Mes is natural, just like he claims.
gh15, calm down princess.
Why I dont agree with Mes is this - his bf% of anywhere between 6-10 % and he is pushing around weights for reps that alot of strong bb'rs on alot of hormones and GH are doing - I used ronnie as an example because he is a freak of nature but is on alot of "help" . Ronnie pushes the 200/90kg bells for reps compare to Mes of 160 for reps and he says he is natural at such a low bf% that is utter bullshit.
When you diet to get lean you lose strengh , even on hormones , some can hold close to there training weights but most of us recreational users of hormones drop our weights unless of course you are on tren , its part of dieting and off hormones this drop is even more extreme - now mes is claiming to be natural yet is gorrila strong at a a low bf% come on , that is bullshit and is impossible for a natural to do and defies physical logic.
I have met alot of pacific island and maori freaks in the gym that are naturaly strong but they are not lean. All in the high teens and into the 20 % BF range , sure some of them look muscular and carry the bf well but if they were to diet down there strengh would drop as well..
Mes is not claiming lean % either , he is claiming ripped numbers at a higher weight number ( 200 odd pounds) and at that height at the bf% along with those numbers he is pushing that is utter shit without drugs . :) and no Mes Im not jealous , I have no need to be but I have been doing this long enough to know when something is a plain lie , it's reality and fact.
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all those videos means absolitly nothing,,steroids ,,hormones in general ,,and weight ,,,dont mean shit,,being small doesnt mean you are natural ,,and being fat doesnt mean you are hormonized,,very little fellas take hormones for many reason from getting their life better due to low self esteem of them being small,,to winning power lifting meets,, to becoming a local bodybuilder at 170 lb shredded 5'10 in local city ...
the main mistkae you fellas are doing is relating hormones with size....you expect hormone users to look like delnise wolfe or like the kukelo the kid ,,in your head you expect them to have good muscle bellies blwon up right with veins poping ,,if no veins you think oh he may be natural ...if pipe veins you are he got to be on something what you on bro what you on,,you dont get that it depend on body composition and on specific goals of individual and his particular mission for why he takes the hormones,,also many have no clue about nutrition what so ever and still eat shit all the time i mean ALL THE TIME on aas...and they dont look anything speicsal just another normal human with extra 10lb ....they dont knwo that gh need to be there for priming inorder to be able to eat shit...they lack alot of knowledge and thats why they pass for naturals,,, because who is the sucker that will admit he is hormonized when he is 190lb 18% ? who is the sucker who will admit he is hormonized walking around 226 22%?,,,the admission only comes from fellas who are in low doubles 13 and under even they usually dont talk much ,,but in general the fella start being proud only when walk around low doubles into singles ...then he may talk ,,
there ar eplenty of strong natural lifters,,plenty ,,but their strength is 225-295 lb and their weights usualy stand 180lb 5'10 8-10% ,,this is the regular naturals with good genetic or decent genetic that is low body fat and take bodybuld and lifting seriously
7 lb give or take for each inch of height
when you put videos of fellas lifting on youtube,,you do not know whats the conditions,,many many many of them are on pro hormones such as halodrol ,,which is very very strong anabolic steroids known as turinabol,,it works! and it works better than dianabol ! ,,
many of them are on other stuff that is considered for research ,,
some of them are truly natural and only on creatine or on nothing but they just dont lift those numbers,,even if very strong they may pull few reps ,,it wont be what you all approve as 10 rep 300+ lb
trust me if you do 315lb for 10 reps you been to hormones,,and you are aware of it ,,and in most cases proud of it ,,the ones who lift 350-400+lb ....they rarely go off hormones,,they already into comeptition ,,they already on gh and insulina ,,they already on doses of masterona and trenbolona and testosterona that the average begginer that does cycles dotn even dream off,,they go from vial to vial ,,no stop ,,no nothing,,always on
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105s for 2 reps on flat :(
but I max out on bench at 285 8)
good press man.. your bench seems quite aways ahead of your dumbell press though
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you have NO IDEA what you are talking about,,the numbers you give here,,the shit you talk about,,the crazy claims,,you have absolitly no idea what true natural pro is,,you fellas are LIARS,, naturals in great shape at 5'7 dont even see the number 16 inch in arm mesurements,, try to get 5% naturally ...even the 1 tall fella i was talking about got to 4.5 because he did something but i stil consider it naturaly ,,
you fella have no clue absilitly no clue,, you think i will sit here and just say stuff with out knowing ? i fuckin make my living off this shit
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Even if what u say regarding height/weight ratio, with whatever percentage BF, were true, (which i dont think it is)....BUT for the sake of this discussion, let's say you're 100% correct regarding how much one can weigh at a certain height - there is absolutely NO WAY u can turn round and give a particular measurement as to what one's arms can measure. Ridiculous. Too many differences between individuals.
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This... I think this fact is lost alot on these guys , sure you can put weight on at any given height but your BF is going to go up also, thats not whats being debated here.
10% and under is a diff ballgame.
Why I dont agree with Mes is this - his bf% of anywhere between 6-10 % and he is pushing around weights for reps that alot of strong bb'rs on alot of hormones and GH are doing - I used ronnie as an example because he is a freak of nature but is on alot of "help" . Ronnie pushes the 200/90kg bells for reps compare to Mes of 160 for reps and he says he is natural at such a low bf% that is utter bullshit.
When you diet to get lean you lose strengh , even on hormones , some can hold close to there training weights but most of us recreational users of hormones drop our weights unless of course you are on tren , its part of dieting and off hormones this drop is even more extreme - now mes is claiming to be natural yet is gorrila strong at a a low bf% come on , that is bullshit and is impossible for a natural to do and defies physical logic.
I have met alot of pacific island and maori freaks in the gym that are naturaly strong but they are not lean. All in the high teens and into the 20 % BF range , sure some of them look muscular and carry the bf well but if they were to diet down there strengh would drop as well..
Mes is not claiming lean % either , he is claiming ripped numbers at a higher weight number ( 200 odd pounds) and at that height at the bf% along with those numbers he is pushing that is utter shit without drugs . :) and no Mes Im not jealous , I have no need to be but I have been doing this long enough to know when something is a plain lie , it's reality and fact.
In other words "I take steroids, and Meso is stronger than me....so he must take steroids too!" I just will never understand how a GROWN man can be such a bitch
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I weight anywhere from 200lb-210lb and am natural and have never been able to hit 315lb for 10 on bench :(
....never tried 300lb....maybe and thats a big maybe I could if I worked at it.
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In other words "I take steroids, and Meso is stronger than me....so he must take steroids too!" I just will never understand how a GROWN man can be such a bitch
LMAO
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max 90 pounds each arm/shoulder 3 sets of 10, and i'm old! LOL! and of course natural, don't know if that is that heavy of a weight, but it sure felt like it! of course, that was a few years ago, now that i'm even older, i do fine with very slow and very good form 65 pounds of 3 x10. i could probably push it meaning go heavier, but i don't want to risk another rotator cuff problem that i had awhile back, and so now i'm doing the " it's not how much you lift, it's how you lift it" mantra.
even now i never do a chest or shoulder workout without stretching an doing light 5 pound rotator cuff exercises for a good 10 minutes,plus light sets of the actual exercises i'll be doing before i actually start the actual workout.
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Awesome job, obviously trains for powerlifting by his set up. His BW.....looks to be quite tall, but it's hard to tell.
Yea he is about 5'9 or 5'10
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100 lbs for 12..trying to get to 120
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In other words "I take steroids, and Meso is stronger than me....so he must take steroids too!" I just will never understand how a GROWN man can be such a bitch
Does logic escape you ? ???
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In other words "I take steroids, and Meso is stronger than me....so he must take steroids too!" I just will never understand how a GROWN man can be such a bitch
This seems to be the thinking at Getbig.........They love this loser mentality. 6 Billion people and no ones gonna be exceptional if they arent. I just dont get that. Even will grant is implying this...that a drug user has to be stronger than natural born leveraged lifter.
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Loser mentality
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Loser mentality
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Wouldn't that be you ? you are claiming natural when you are not ::)
This seems to be the thinking at Getbig.........They love this loser mentality. 6 Billion people and no ones gonna be exceptional if they arent. I just dont get that. Even will grant is implying this...that a drug user has to be stronger than natural born leveraged lifter.
Dude ffs dont you get it ? - being close to on par with one of the strongest BB's that ever lived who is on truckloads of drugs , one who has far better genetics than mes and he is claiming natural at such a low bf% - is there something not quite right in the head with you guys ?
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Wouldn't that be you ? you are claiming natural when you are not ::)
Dude ffs dont you get it ? - being close to on par with one of the strongest BB's that ever lived who is on truckloads of drugs , one who has far better genetics than mes and he is claiming natural at such a low bf% - is there something not quite right in the head with you guys ?
I haven't read this whole thread......but isn't this about meso's "natural" ability to use the 160's for 10 on flat DB presses?
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I haven't read this whole thread......but isn't this about meso's "natural" ability to use the 160's for 10 on flat DB presses?
Yes - I would beleive him if he doesnt claim near contest level bf percentages and his weight - if he was bulked with lots of "padding" in the high teens - low 20s in bf % then yeah I'd have no issues beleiving it - he has good genetics for strengh but he is assisted.
Look at it this way - "if" he is natural (which he is not) then if he jumped on the juice he would make Ronnie look like his bitch , you see how stupid this is ? a guy with far surperior genes than mes who out weighs him by 100 odd pounds is or was on lots of drugs yet mes is claiming he is natural - come on - there are some thick as pig shit on this board.
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Yes - I would beleive him if he doesnt claim near contest level bf percentages and his weight - if he was bulked with lots of "padding" in the high teens - low 20s in bf % then yeah I'd have no issues beleiving it - he has good genetics for strengh but he is assisted.
Look at it this way - "if" he is natural (which he is not) then if he jumped on the juice he would make Ronnie look like his bitch , you see how stupid this is ? a guy with far surperior genes than mes who out weighs him by 100 odd pounds is or was on lots of drugs yet mes is claiming he is natural - come on - there are some thick as pig shit on this board.
This.
And by the love of God, there is no debating around this.
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Yes - I would beleive him if he doesnt claim near contest level bf percentages and his weight - if he was bulked with lots of "padding" in the high teens - low 20s in bf % then yeah I'd have no issues beleiving it - he has good genetics for strengh but he is assisted.
Look at it this way - "if" he is natural (which he is not) then if he jumped on the juice he would make Ronnie look like his bitch , you see how stupid this is ? a guy with far surperior genes than mes who out weighs him by 100 odd pounds is or was on lots of drugs yet mes is claiming he is natural - come on - there are some thick as pig shit on this board.
Hhaaha, I think this is the biggest thing people are getting away from, it's not a 300# bench, it's two 160# DB's....LOL How would he even get them into position?
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Hhaaha, I think this is the biggest thing people are getting away from, it's not a 300# bench, it's two 160# DB's....LOL How would he even get them into position?
Probably with his cock. ;D ;D
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Come on guys let's keep this positive. I believe mes
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I haven't read this whole thread......but isn't this about meso's "natural" ability to use the 160's for 10 on flat DB presses?
wow you guys are still debating this...
i have progressively posted my lifts here
first time
160 for a hard 3
3 years later 160 for 7 or 8 reps...
then there is one of me doing 405 for a single 3 yrs ago....
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this thread was just meant to shadow goudys how much can you bench thread.....
and its turned out to be bitch thread...
guys who follw me from post to post for the better art of 6 years shouting accuastions
guys who have never posted ANYTHING here...
gotta love it ;)
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If someone like meso claims some pretty impressive lifts as a natural trainer, I don't call BS automatically. I've been in the gym on/off for the past 23 years, and I've seen first-hand some pretty freaky lifts from guys that you wouldn't expect based on their size.
Myself, I'm a lifetime natural trainer. At 5' 10.5" and currently around 295 lbs with about 18% bodyfat, my lifts are not that impressive based on my stats on paper. In fact, I don't look like a 295 pounder in my opinion. I think I appear to be 265 or so. My best lifts are only 135 lbs decline DB presses for 8 reps, 140 lbs DB incline presses for 7 reps, and 110 lbs DB shoulder presses for 8 reps. Again, not very impressive based on my on-paper stats, but I'm happy with them so far as I keep my form pretty good on them (I try to mimic Dorian's exercise form and rep speed; I think they work best for me and keep me relatively injury free). I can look my kids in their eyes and tell them that I have never ever taken drugs (for bodybuilding or recreational) if they ever ask me, which I am proud of.
Meso states that in 3 years he increased his reps on a particular exercise using the same weight from 3 reps to about 6 or 7. This sounds about right. Why automatically BS? Maybe he's telling the truth, and that his genetics are just that good.
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meso..lucky lance .. etc etc ... why lie so much? truth hurts? makes you feel less than average?
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meso..lucky lance .. etc etc ... why lie so much? truth hurts? makes you feel less than average?
This.
Mes is probably the smalles kid in the gym, then BOOM, blows up on steroids, but still has to claim natural because otherwise he'd be insecure again.
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meso..lucky lance .. etc etc ... why lie so much? truth hurts? makes you feel less than average?
I can't speak for meso, cause I don't know for sure if he's telling the truth about himself or not. I only know for sure that I am about myself. Nothing to prove, other than trying to get the point across to people not to be so closed-minded about stuff.
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I can't speak for meso, cause I don't know for sure if he's telling the truth about himself or not. I only know for sure that I am about myself. Nothing to prove, other than trying to get the point across to people not to be so closed-minded about stuff.
you must think we are all idiots trying to peddle this BS here
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you must think we are all idiots trying to peddle this BS here
Hey Sev, I can't blame you for calling BS on me. You're just going off of your own personal experience of years of lifting weights, your own genetic limitations, and your efforts to make the most of those genetics. That is your reality, which is fine. But to say that there's no way that others would be able to exceed what you were able to accomplish naturally in regards to strength, muscle size, and bodyweight is very closed-minded in my humble opinion.
Back in 1988 during my first couple of years of hitting the weights and reading about Haney and Gaspari and the poundages they would use in their workouts, if someone was to tell me that a decade in the future some guy named Ronnie Coleman would be toying around with 200 lbs. dumbells on the flat bench with reps in the double digits, I'd call BS on him too.
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If someone like meso claims some pretty impressive lifts as a natural trainer, I don't call BS automatically. I've been in the gym on/off for the past 23 years, and I've seen first-hand some pretty freaky lifts from guys that you wouldn't expect based on their size.
Myself, I'm a lifetime natural trainer. At 5' 10.5" and currently around 295 lbs with about 18% bodyfat, my lifts are not that impressive based on my stats on paper. In fact, I don't look like a 295 pounder in my opinion. I think I appear to be 265 or so. My best lifts are only 135 lbs decline DB presses for 8 reps, 140 lbs DB incline presses for 7 reps, and 110 lbs DB shoulder presses for 8 reps. Again, not very impressive based on my on-paper stats, but I'm happy with them so far as I keep my form pretty good on them (I try to mimic Dorian's exercise form and rep speed; I think they work best for me and keep me relatively injury free). I can look my kids in their eyes and tell them that I have never ever taken drugs (for bodybuilding or recreational) if they ever ask me, which I am proud of.
Meso states that in 3 years he increased his reps on a particular exercise using the same weight from 3 reps to about 6 or 7. This sounds about right. Why automatically BS? Maybe he's telling the truth, and that his genetics are just that good.
The funny thing is all my lift videos are here
There is a small contigency of truly sad jealous people here
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If someone like meso claims some pretty impressive lifts as a natural trainer, I don't call BS automatically. I've been in the gym on/off for the past 23 years, and I've seen first-hand some pretty freaky lifts from guys that you wouldn't expect based on their size.
Myself, I'm a lifetime natural trainer. At 5' 10.5" and currently around 295 lbs with about 18% bodyfat, my lifts are not that impressive based on my stats on paper. In fact, I don't look like a 295 pounder in my opinion. I think I appear to be 265 or so. My best lifts are only 135 lbs decline DB presses for 8 reps, 140 lbs DB incline presses for 7 reps, and 110 lbs DB shoulder presses for 8 reps. Again, not very impressive based on my on-paper stats, but I'm happy with them so far as I keep my form pretty good on them (I try to mimic Dorian's exercise form and rep speed; I think they work best for me and keep me relatively injury free). I can look my kids in their eyes and tell them that I have never ever taken drugs (for bodybuilding or recreational) if they ever ask me, which I am proud of.
Meso states that in 3 years he increased his reps on a particular exercise using the same weight from 3 reps to about 6 or 7. This sounds about right. Why automatically BS? Maybe he's telling the truth, and that his genetics are just that good.
Shut the fuck up Lance.
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I weight anywhere from 200lb-210lb and am natural and have never been able to hit 315lb for 10 on bench :(
....never tried 300lb....maybe and thats a big maybe I could if I worked at it.
LOL! and you still bench more than you can squat ;D
Shut the fuck up Lance.
X's 2........ 8)
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LOL! and you still bench more than you can squat ;DX's 2........ 8)
The only time you squat is when you're reaching down to grab leftovers off the bottom shelf in the fridge ;D
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So if I have a "winner's mindset", I can go in the gym today and bench 500lbs? I'll give it a shot.
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Massoo00o04, make sure to get that on video, PLEASE!!! ;D
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The only time you squat is when you're reaching down to grab leftovers off the bottom shelf in the fridge ;D
No such thing of leftovers in my house ;D
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No such thing of leftovers in my house ;D
fat ass
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The funny thing is all my lift videos are here
There is a small contigency of truly sad jealous people here
Well, can't really blame them to be honest. It's not your lifts that are being debated here; it's whether you've done them as a natural or not. I don't think anyone is saying you're not doing the lifts that you've described. I don't think it's fair to group them all as sad and jealous. It's just that if one is never exposed to anything remotely close to what you've described about yourself, then it's only natural for that person to call BS. Don't look down on them Meso; your lift claims as a natural are very extreme and so a lot of people have a hard time believing them; understandable.
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Shut the fuck up Lance.
LOL! ;D Nice! Have a good one man!
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Shut the fuck up Lance.
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Well, can't really blame them to be honest. It's not your lifts that are being debated here; it's whether you've done them as a natural or not. I don't think anyone is saying you're not doing the lifts that you've described. I don't think it's fair to group them all as sad and jealous. It's just that if one is never exposed to anything remotely close to what you've described about yourself, then it's only natural for that person to call BS. Don't look down on them Meso; your lift claims as a natural are very extreme and so a lot of people have a hard time believing them; understandable.
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OK i have seen guys here very strong i have NEVER called bullshit on anyone Ive never asked if they are natural or accuse anyone
why because I'm secure in myself i don't care what anyone does .. i am 100% i have always openly backed u any claims and posted pics and clips.... even when before i posted them i was called a fucking liar bullshitter... etc 8 years of this...
obviously i cant post a vid of every second of my life to prove i have never taken anything... so its like they cant discredit my lifts because I have posted those
My problem is this..... if someone doesn't believe I'm natural fine..... i don't care.... that's not my problem
but when i have people following me around on threads for 7 years posting the same bullshit... personally attacking me on everythread... gh15 and that sev... etc etc
thats sad and uncalled for.
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Sounds like you might need a warm, muscular shoulder and a tissue.
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OK i have seen guys here very strong i have NEVER called bullshit on anyone Ive never asked if they are natural or accuse anyone
why because I'm secure in myself i don't care what anyone does .. i am 100% i have always openly backed u any claims and posted pics and clips.... even when before i posted them i was called a fucking liar bullshitter... etc 8 years of this...
obviously i cant post a vid of every second of my life to prove i have never taken anything... so its like they cant discredit my lifts because I have posted those
My problem is this..... if someone doesn't believe I'm natural fine..... i don't care.... that's not my problem
but when i have people following me around on threads for 7 years posting the same bullshit... personally attacking me on everythread... gh15 and that sev... etc etc
thats sad and uncalled for.
take a look at the following this i posting next post under this and tell me who in their right mind will believe any of your claims,,,take a close look at the fella im putting there he is from this board,,was
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now,, here is pictures of incognito from this board,,this fella is black fella with good genetics thast SWIMMMMMMS SWIMMMMMMMMMS IN HORMONES INCLUDING SITE INJECTS,,he look great indeed he has size,,he is 7- 7.5 % bodyfat with great shape and flow to omuscle that can even give illusion he is 6% the only reason you know he is 7 is that he is not hard enough and not dense enough for the lean muscle he carry to be 6% but he is quite close to otustanding condition there...
now he is 210lb 5'8...
now,,what make you jamaica boy thikn that you are naturaly!! better than a fella like him which is seriously with great genetic shape and realy take bodybuild seriously and really been to hormones for long time...your numbers are all better,,your weight,,your muscle diameter...you claim same bodyfat as him ....you claim higher lifts in the form of us pros that hormonized for years no off time,, you claim it all naturally ,,
and i show you here someone that is exactly your riplica ,,he is better ofcourse but from the same school of genetics...the diff is you LIE and he was honest,,you LIE and he was man enough to admit and you can see the comliments he got and indeed he deserved them
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That dude is pretty jacked. Fawwk..
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now,, here is pictures of incognito from this board,,this fella is black fella with good genetics thast SWIMMMMMMS SWIMMMMMMMMMS IN HORMONES INCLUDING SITE INJECTS,,he look great indeed he has size,,he is 7- 7.5 % bodyfat with great shape and flow to omuscle that can even give illusion he is 6% the only reason you know he is 7 is that he is not hard enough and not dense enough for the lean muscle he carry to be 6% but he is quite close to otustanding condition there...
now he is 210lb 5'8...
now,,what make you jamaica boy thikn that you are naturaly!! better than a fella like him which is seriously with great genetic shape and realy take bodybuild seriously and really been to hormones for long time...your numbers are all better,,your weight,,your muscle diameter...you claim same bodyfat as him ....you claim higher lifts in the form of us pros that hormonized for years no off time,, you claim it all naturally ,,
and i show you here someone that is exactly your riplica ,,he is better ofcourse but from the same school of genetics...the diff is you LIE and he was honest,,you LIE and he was man enough to admit and you can see the comliments he got and indeed he deserved them
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Spot on as usual.
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gh15 what would you look like natural?
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gh15 what would you look like natural?
Also gh15 what was your max dumbell press?
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now,, here is pictures of incognito from this board,,this fella is black fella with good genetics thast SWIMMMMMMS SWIMMMMMMMMMS IN HORMONES INCLUDING SITE INJECTS,,he look great indeed he has size,,he is 7- 7.5 % bodyfat with great shape and flow to omuscle that can even give illusion he is 6% the only reason you know he is 7 is that he is not hard enough and not dense enough for the lean muscle he carry to be 6% but he is quite close to otustanding condition there...
now he is 210lb 5'8...
now,,what make you jamaica boy thikn that you are naturaly!! better than a fella like him which is seriously with great genetic shape and realy take bodybuild seriously and really been to hormones for long time...your numbers are all better,,your weight,,your muscle diameter...you claim same bodyfat as him ....you claim higher lifts in the form of us pros that hormonized for years no off time,, you claim it all naturally ,,
and i show you here someone that is exactly your riplica ,,he is better ofcourse but from the same school of genetics...the diff is you LIE and he was honest,,you LIE and he was man enough to admit and you can see the comliments he got and indeed he deserved them
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QFT and that dude looks awesome - great build.. see mes he gets respect because he is honest - because you juice does not take away from your lifts or your work ethic - claiming you are something you are not gets no respect at all.
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Why I dont agree with Mes is this - his bf% of anywhere between 6-10 % and he is pushing around weights for reps that alot of strong bb'rs on alot of hormones and GH are doing - I used ronnie as an example because he is a freak of nature but is on alot of "help" . Ronnie pushes the 200/90kg bells for reps compare to Mes of 160 for reps and he says he is natural at such a low bf% that is utter bullshit.
When you diet to get lean you lose strengh , even on hormones , some can hold close to there training weights but most of us recreational users of hormones drop our weights unless of course you are on tren , its part of dieting and off hormones this drop is even more extreme - now mes is claiming to be natural yet is gorrila strong at a a low bf% come on , that is bullshit and is impossible for a natural to do and defies physical logic.
I have met alot of pacific island and maori freaks in the gym that are naturaly strong but they are not lean. All in the high teens and into the 20 % BF range , sure some of them look muscular and carry the bf well but if they were to diet down there strengh would drop as well..
Mes is not claiming lean % either , he is claiming ripped numbers at a higher weight number ( 200 odd pounds) and at that height at the bf% along with those numbers he is pushing that is utter shit without drugs . :) and no Mes Im not jealous , I have no need to be but I have been doing this long enough to know when something is a plain lie , it's reality and fact.
Good points and I'm not sure if his numbers are exactly what he says they are. But I don't think he's close to Ronnie strength-wise, even though he's very strong himself. And I'm sure his squats and deadlifts aren't on the same level as his pressing.
I just think he's a lifetime natural because he says it, as well as the context - guy doesn't compete and doesn't have to use the "natural" line to get endorsements or money, doesn't post his pics here every few days to attention whore or talk about his physique, hasn't made any steroid-related posts in the past and keeps a low profile, while giving props to anyone who posts pics or clips showing a decent build or strength. Doesn't try to act like a guru either.
I don't believe everyone and don't like bullshitters either, which is why I gave guys like Fatpanda a lot of shit, since he talks about things authoritatively even though he hasn't accomplished anything in the field. But I believe guys like Mes, Coltrane, Groink and even Croatch, lol. Someone's innocent until proven guilty, esp. given the circumstances.
And sorry 'bout the delayed reply - been a bit stoned lately ;D
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Good points and I'm not sure if his numbers are exactly what he says they are. But I don't think he's close to Ronnie strength-wise, even though he's very strong himself. And I'm sure his squats and deadlifts aren't on the same level as his pressing.
I just think he's a lifetime natural because he says it, as well as the context - guy doesn't compete and doesn't have to use the "natural" line to get endorsements or money, doesn't post his pics here every few days to attention whore or talk about his physique, hasn't made any steroid-related posts in the past and keeps a low profile, while giving props to anyone who posts pics or clips showing a decent build or strength. Doesn't try to act like a guru either.
I don't believe everyone and don't like bullshitters either, which is why I gave guys like Fatpanda a lot of shit, since he talks about things authoritatively even though he hasn't accomplished anything in the field. But I believe guys like Mes, Coltrane, Groink and even Croatch, lol. Someone's innocent until proven guilty, esp. given the circumstances.
And sorry 'bout the delayed reply - been a bit stoned lately ;D
nobody hates jamaica kid,,he is big part of getbig.com,,his physiqe is also one of the best on getbig.com,,his understanding of bodybuilding is just too much to swallow shit about natural balonie,,he understand the cult too well ,,and he is too much in it ,,but no one hate him ...how can you even hate someone from the internet,,even in real life its realy hard for me to hate someone,,he indeed does a lot of posting about bodybuilding about lifting about actualy going to the gym and do shit....it adds a lot to the board like mcchinaman pictures and videos i mean mctaiwanman,,
overall he is a bodybuilder like every single person on here that lifts weight consistantly ,,,
bodybuilding doesnt have to be competetive i keep tellin you that ,,bodybuild = building your body ....professional bodybuild = trying to make money out of bodybuild ...tryin gbecause half of us going with none lol and with had a sponsor.... and amatuer bodybuilding = trying to do the best you can and maybe compete and achieve your goals of either to be profesional or just do ti for iproving your look and be beach body champion
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QFT and that dude looks awesome - great build.. see mes he gets respect because he is honest - because you juice does not take away from your lifts or your work ethic - claiming you are something you are not gets no respect at all.
1i prefer my physique in my rounder muscles better arms rounder shoulders better abs etc
2. Don't need your respect fella
And for the benefit of those who didn't hear me I don't take ANY form of drugs never will because I don't need it...
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Kiwol I'm not near Ronnie on strength and even if I was it would t change the truth
My deads and squats are decent I suffer with bad knees since my highschool soccer days
So now I squat 405 no wraps
My dead is 585
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Your posting and behavior is that of a liar. If you are natural and secure in yourself, walk away. Don't put up your strength claims, your physique claims. You have something to prove, and it's desperate.
Hi gimmick
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I will post when I feel how I feel and there is nothing you can do about it.
Hope this helps
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1i prefer my physique in my rounder muscles better arms rounder shoulders better abs etc
2. Don't need your respect fella
And for the benefit of those who didn't hear me I don't take ANY form of drugs never will because I don't need it...
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1. So you are on more hormones than him.
2. Then why come here fishing for it ?
You are an extremely insecure person - going on how you act . I pity you :'(
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1. So you are on more hormones than him.
2. Then why come here fishing for it ?
You are an extremely insecure person - going on how you act . I pity you :'(
I actually feel sorry for u, and your self-pitying self.
Thing is...if you tell yourself something's not possible, then you DEFINITELY won't achieve. True story.
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I actually feel sorry for u, and your self-pitying self.
Thing is...if you tell yourself something's not possible, then you DEFINITELY won't achieve. True story.
Look dickhead - it is not possible ok - how stupid are you ? really ffs it goes beyond whats possible for a human being - have you ever been at 6% bf weighing over 200 pound with 19 inch arms thats huge btw - let me say this slow for you. 19 inch plus arms at 6 % bf.. thats up there with pro bb's with the best genes and loaded on gear and he says natural ? plus chucking around bells for reps- fuck there are some densely stupid people on here.
Like I said to you before - logic escapes you - it has nothing to do with putting roadblocks on oneself , he is doing something that defies physiology and basic human biomechanics , have you also heard he only eats one meal a day to ::) - this guy is a liar full stop, and you are either to stupid to see it or really dont know wtf you are talking about. /
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Look dickhead - it is not possible ok - how stupid are you ? really ffs it goes beyond whats possible for a human being - have you ever been at 6% bf weighing over 200 pound with 19 inch arms thats huge btw - let me say this slow for you. 19 inch plus arms at 6 % bf.. thats up there with pro bb's with the best genes and loaded on gear and he says natural ? plus chucking around bells for reps- fuck there are some densely stupid people on here.
Like I said to you before - logic escapes you - it has nothing to do with putting roadblocks on oneself , he is doing something that defies physiology and basic human biomechanics , have you also heard he only eats one meal a day to ::) - this guy is a liar full stop, and you are either to stupid to see it or really dont know wtf you are talking about. /
Has nothing to do with logic. It's to do with what I know, and what I see.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, I know Meso78 IRL.
I also have a good friend who is 5'7" 190, 19" guns...maybe 7 or 8 % bf...lifetime nattie. His twin is 5'8", 205, benches 405....thing is u have to accept, some ppl have MUCH better genes than others....how do u not get this??
The real problem I have with u, gh15 etc, is that u believe there's a limit, say 5'10" 185, 6 %bf....and after that, u reckon its not possible to get any bigger or strionger at all NO MATTER how hard or consistent ur training is, one can NEVER put on a single pound or get any stronger yeh? Ridiculous
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Has nothing to do with logic. It's to do with what I know, and what I see.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, I know Meso78 IRL.
I also have a good friend who is 5'7" 190, 19" guns...maybe 7 or 8 % bf...lifetime nattie. His twin is 5'8", 205, benches 405....thing is u have to accept, some ppl have MUCH better genes than others....how do u not get this??
The real problem I have with u, gh15 etc, is that u believe there's a limit, say 5'10" 185, 6 %bf....and after that, u reckon its not possible to get any bigger or strionger at all NO MATTER how hard or consistent ur training is, one can NEVER put on a single pound or get any stronger yeh? Ridiculous
I agree - we are not all the same and there are some true freaks out there when it comes to strengh and muscle mass but a guy sitting at that low in bf with that much muscle is huge - alot dont get that , they see the number on the scale and think thats not much but at the bf it is.
I've been doing this for over 15 years and have seen some true genetic freaks - Pacific island and maori guys who are built to lift and they are brutally strong - these guys push the numbers adrain is pushing for reps - they are monsters but are not lean - they are all in the high teens to low 20's in bf - huge muscular and strong guys that are made for this type of stuff yet again they are not in the ripped zone - I also know alot of strong guys that juice and there numbers dont match mes's and they swim in hormones - guys who I have known before they jumped onto gear that were naturaly strong as naturals but again "bulked" up and pushing some good numbers around so they to were built for this but now they are leaner (under 10%) and juiced to the gills yet there numbers are pretty much the same as when they were natural - they weigh more in some cases but are leaner so more muscle - so these guys that are geneticly gifted toward lifting and proven it as naturals and now on lots of gear but you have mes who's a natural bettering or matching them at the same bf% - a natural guy at that bf% bearly has the energy to do his cardio when dieting for a show , when you drop under 12- 14 % as a natural your strengh plumments big time - a true natural will confirm this - yet we have mes at half that bf% so on par with heavy juicers and guys on gh and he is pushing tin around like these guys as well - genetics will only do so much if the supports not there - sure mes has great genetics for strengh and so do the guys i know that juice/gh in large numbers and they pretty much push around the same weights - come on this is getting silly
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I agree - we are not all the same and there are some true freaks out there when it comes to strengh and muscle mass but a guy sitting at that low in bf with that much muscle is huge - alot dont get that , they see the number on the scale and think thats not much but at the bf it is.
I've been doing this for over 15 years and have seen some true genetic freaks - Pacific island and maori guys who are built to lift and they are brutally strong - these guys push the numbers adrain is pushing for reps - they are monsters but are not lean - they are all in the high teens to low 20's in bf - huge muscular and strong guys that are made for this type of stuff yet again they are not in the ripped zone - I also know alot of strong guys that juice and there numbers dont match mes's and they swim in hormones - guys who I have known before they jumped onto gear that were naturaly strong as naturals but again "bulked" up and pushing some good numbers around so they to were built for this but now they are leaner (under 10%) and juiced to the gills yet there numbers are pretty much the same as when they were natural - they weigh more in some cases but are leaner so more muscle - so these guys that are geneticly gifted toward lifting and proven it as naturals and now on lots of gear but you have mes who's a natural bettering or matching them at the same bf% - a natural guy at that bf% bearly has the energy to do his cardio when dieting for a show , when you drop under 12- 14 % as a natural your strengh plumments big time - a true natural will confirm this - yet we have mes at half that bf% so on par with heavy juicers and guys on gh and he is pushing tin around like these guys as well - genetics will only do so much if the supports not there - sure mes has great genetics for strengh and so do the guys i know that juice/gh in large numbers and they pretty much push around the same weights - come on this is getting silly
You keep talking about low percentage bodyfat....and implying that low bf makes u weaker - well a lot of black ppl can walk round , no diet whatsoever, no cardio, and be in single digits....dnt forget this
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Oh brother...now its cause he's black ::)
Hahahaaa "hey bro, after you pin me in my glutes, log into your Per Se account on Getbig and tell them I'm natural"
*smooches*
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Mes78
Haha!;D
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Oh brother...now its cause he's black ::)
Hahahaaa "hey bro, after you pin me in my glutes, log into your Per Se account on Getbig and tell them I'm natural"
*smooches*
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Mes78
Haha!;D
LMAO! ;D
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gonna have to take the turn this thread and it stalkers as a compliment..
clearly you think my physique and strength are so great it couldnt be natural..
but it is
thanks for the compliment(s)
mes
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