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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bam-bam on May 10, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
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After a GREAT work out, when you busted your ass hard very hard, felt every muscle fiber pumped up from the rep one and increased they weight after each set..... dont you also get a impression that if you were on the sauce your improvements would be much much better and how in some way you just wasted a great training session?
I do, I mean the difference is ridiculous and even if you are actually still improving as a natural, chances are you would be getting a phenomenal physique if you were on as little as maintence doses. So there goes 80% of your "intensity" and "discipline" right to the garbage can!!
I was coming back from the gym today, feeling like shit because of a slight fever that made me almost puke during the back workout, and had this thought again. I really didnt want to start with the test and stuff again since Im still having gains but fuck it why not speed up things a little??
Also, the thread Stavios just started about Jose admiting how "it took 14 years to go from 154 to 176 and 2years to get to 202" just made me lol. 14 fuckin years to gain 20 fuckin pounds, and then suddently it took him MONHTS go add more 20lbs or so, talk about wasted time!! Seriously, training hard while being naturla is so lame, cant see other reason for that other than bragging you are clean to friends and on internet forums, in the end you can always tell a white lie and keep preaching your natural status or blame it on pro hormones ;D.
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If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.
If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.
Just depends what you want.
The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.
Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.
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If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.
If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.
Just depends what you want.
The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.
Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.
I agree, but then why workout just to get fit? There are much more enjoyable activities to getting fit then going to the gym 5 times a week and lifting dem damn weights. I mean, I was into "looking fit" for a very loooong period of my life after toring a delt in the army and do you know how many times I went to a gym then? Zero. Just playing sports, some BJJ and boxing with friends and a little push ups and chins here and there and thats it. But then I decided it was time to get strong again and then there the gym rat was 5 times per week.
BFRS, you should start frequenting a real gym, nail your diet and do some oxys just once in your life just to get the taste man, I know this because it makes the same shit to your muscles as the weed do to your soul ;D
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After a GREAT work out, when you busted your ass hard very hard, felt every muscle fiber pumped up from the rep one and increased they weight after each set..... dont you also get a impression that if you were on the sauce your improvements would be much much better and how in some way you just wasted a great training session?
I do, I mean the difference is ridiculous and even if you are actually still improving as a natural, chances are you would be getting a phenomenal physique if you were on as little as maintence doses. So there goes 80% of your "intensity" and "discipline" right to the garbage can!!
I was coming back from the gym today, feeling like shit because of a slight fever that made me almost puke during the back workout, and had this thought again. I really didnt want to start with the test and stuff again since Im still having gains but fuck it why not speed up things a little??
Also, the thread Stavios just started about Jose admiting how "it took 14 years to go from 154 to 176 and 2years to get to 202" just made me lol. 14 fuckin years to gain 20 fuckin pounds, and then suddently it took him MONHTS go add more 20lbs or so, talk about wasted time!! Seriously, training hard while being naturla is so lame, cant see other reason for that other than bragging you are clean to friends and on internet forums, in the end you can always tell a white lie and keep preaching your natural status or blame it on pro hormones ;D.
The question is..did you enjoy the workout and lifted as heavy as you could that day? If yes....then who cares about "growth".
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You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.
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this
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In my case it was different.
I started weightlifting at a skinny 72 kg, one year later i weighed 103 kg, fater but definitely bigger, a transformation that astounished everybody.
Then i staled for 1 year, i go to another club, and boom, 16 kg in four month, naturally, i was 22 years old, my arm were 51 cm cold, chest 140, legs 82, but waist 120. Naturally.
Yes 51 cm arm after only 3/4 years of training but too much fat around waist.
I had no trouble in gaining mass, muscle but fat too.
i hit the 132 kg barrier but very fat.
my best condition was before the police academy, when with a lot of cardio and diet and dbol (5/10 mg on training day so 5 time a week for several week) i go down to 107kg.
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You want to be 230 big and bloated whereby half the population says you are are roids? Then do drugs eat everything and train as much as you want.
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You want to be 200 ripped and lean? If you want this then train hard, train smart and eat correctly. Stay off the drugs.
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You want to be 230 big and bloated whereby half the population says you are are roids? Then do drugs eat everything and train as much as you want.
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You want to be 200 ripped and lean? If you want this then train hard, train smart and eat correctly. Stay off the drugs.
you are seriously in delusion ,, you are not anything 200lb ripped naturaly unless you are 6'3 even then you are not hormones type ripped and full,,
5'10 190 ripped is always hormonized,,ALWAYS,,
stop tellin those members balonie! ,,stop this shit,,
that 230 lb bloated sack of poratos had to be there inorder to get down to 200lb ripped to shreds...
the diff is from long esters he changed to short ,,,from nandrolona he changed to trenbolona,,, he took out gh and added in masterona
very very simple to understand ,,
200 lb is NOT NATURAL AT RIUPPED CONDITION ,,190 lb is not natural in ripped condition ,,even 180lb at ripped condition is not natural ,, and i am not talking here 5'6 friends,,im talking good heights of 5'9 5'10
few here ,,the new members are really in need to read bible ,,
this post i just responded too SHOW CLEARLY ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ALL BODYBUILD CULT,,
230 bloated on roids...200 ripped natural drug free...where do you get this shit from ? 197 lb ripped at 5'10 is typical light heavy weight for many many many many top pros when they started ,,on good doses of hormones,,
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you are seriously in delusion ,, you are not anything 200lb ripped naturaly unless you are 6'3 even then you are not hormones type ripped and full,,
5'10 190 ripped is always hormonized,,ALWAYS,,
stop tellin those members balonie! ,,stop this shit,,
that 230 lb bloated sack of poratos had to be there inorder to get down to 200lb ripped to shreds...
the diff is from long esters he changed to short ,,,from nandrolona he changed to trenbolona,,, he took out gh and added in masterona
very very simple to understand ,,
200 lb is NOT NATURAL AT RIUPPED CONDITION ,,190 lb is not natural in ripped condition ,,even 180lb at ripped condition is not natural ,, and i am not talking here 5'6 friends,,im talking good heights of 5'9 5'10
few here ,,the new members are really in need to read bible ,,
this post i just responded too SHOW CLEARLY ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ALL BODYBUILD CULT,,
230 bloated on roids...200 ripped natural drug free...where do you get this shit from ? 197 lb ripped at 5'10 is typical light heavy weight for many many many many top pros when they started ,,on good doses of hormones,,
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no drugs/ 200lb/ 5'10" / 32" waist / 8-10% BF/ many would would consider this ripped.
Not IFBB stage ripped you idiot!
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10% is not ripped my friend,,far far from it,,ripped is when you see the piano keys right and left side of under the lats,,ripped is when you see xmas tree coming up ,,ripped is when your veins poping from delts into the chest...arm veins mean nothing,,but veins into the chest...from delts...that! mean ripped
gh15 approved
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10% is not ripped my friend,,far far from it,,ripped is when you see the piano keys right and left side of under the lats,,ripped is when you see xmas tree coming up ,,ripped is when your veins poping from delts into the chest...arm veins mean nothing,,but veins into the chest...from delts...that! mean ripped
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you read as well as you write - just like a first grader.
Ripped for natural can not be the same as ripped for a anabolic user....thus the differences in BF.
Normal people do not walk around in public with thier shirt off, so nobody gives a flying fock how many veins you have in your chest on any given day.
get a clue already.
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You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.
This X2
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Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.
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Sure you do think about it occasionally but the option is to not train and look even shittier?
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you read as well as you write - just like a first grader.
Ripped for natural can not be the same as ripped for a anabolic user....thus the differences in BF.
Normal people do not walk around in public with thier shirt off, so nobody gives a flying fock how many veins you have in your chest on any given day.
get a clue already.
Naturals can get just as ripped as drug users, you know nothing!!!
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i got veins on my chest and delts too but im far from ripped
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i got veins on my chest and delts too but im far from ripped
not the veins im talking about friend,,im talking about veins that are visible with out flexing,,veins that go from the arm through the delt into the chest....into the main artery...they can be thick or thin...but they are there....those are not same veins you talk about ,,you talk about little vessels,, i talk abotu veins that come out due to bodybuild being lean as in sub 7-8%
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You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.
Yep.
I'd say low self esteem, for the most part.
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Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.
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You wanna compete in the IFBB do steroids, if not what's the point.
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Training naturally is for the shitter, better stay home and watch TV.
This^^
if you want to look like a twink forever then be natural, if you want to look like a bodybuilder and be ripped while looking pumped all the time then take hormones
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a lot naive little women in this thread wasting their money on noxplode and creakic
gayer than spending a fortune to look like shit because you're too afraid to man-up and do the real thing
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Been training naturally on and off for 15 years. Well, I had a 3 year break in between where I did maintenance work. Started at 15, I'm 30 now. Weight went from 160 lb to 242 that I'm weighing right now. This is at 6'3. Body fat around 12%, give or take. Every muscle is visible and I'm nicely defined and cut, but I'm soft in comparison to the roid lot in the gym. Unless I go down that road, I'm thinking I can hit 250 before running into a brick wall. The last year I gained 8 lbs. Disheartening to think I have another good 30-35 years left in the gym and I'm already approaching or have approached my natural limit.
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Been training naturally on and off for 15 years. Well, I had a 3 year break in between where I did maintenance work. Started at 15, I'm 30 now. Weight went from 160 lb to 242 that I'm weighing right now. This is at 6'3. Body fat around 12%, give or take. Every muscle is visible and I'm nicely defined and cut, but I'm soft in comparison to the roid lot in the gym. Unless I go down that road, I'm thinking I can hit 250 before running into a brick wall. The last year I gained 8 lbs. Disheartening to think I have another good 30-35 years left in the gym and I'm already approaching or have approached my natural limit.
congratulations: you're fat
15 years later . . .
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Not fat at all, just not at .5% bodyfat like the rest of getbiggers :D
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Not fat at all, just not at .5% bodyfat like the rest of getbiggers :D
you're quite the specimen yourself, stud
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you're quite the specimen yourself, stud
Well, I try. >:(
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I do not need steroids to make good gains. I have made steady gains since I started so much so that the thought has never crossed my mind.
Would I look better on steroids? Yes. I would likely be 300+ after a few years.
I however have no interest of competing or taking steroids and am more than happy training the way I do. What is the big race to get big fast? Slow and steady wins the race. Also I would much rather be a smaller weaker nattie people respect and admire (to a small extent in a gym enviroment) than an average big bloated juicer who people always talk about drug use behind their back.
Just my thoughts
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Remember, if you have shitty genetics, steroids won't do much. I've seen people go on 6 week cycles and gaining nothing but water and tits. It's by no means a sure-fire way to grow. I'll admit that I'm too chicken shit to take them as I don't fancy the side effects I see so often from guys in the gym. Besides, I've stopped caring about being huge. Happy being well above average. :D
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I agree, but then why workout just to get fit? There are much more enjoyable activities to getting fit then going to the gym 5 times a week and lifting dem damn weights. I mean, I was into "looking fit" for a very loooong period of my life after toring a delt in the army and do you know how many times I went to a gym then? Zero. Just playing sports, some BJJ and boxing with friends and a little push ups and chins here and there and thats it. But then I decided it was time to get strong again and then there the gym rat was 5 times per week.
BFRS, you should start frequenting a real gym, nail your diet and do some oxys just once in your life just to get the taste man, I know this because it makes the same shit to your muscles as the weed do to your soul ;D
maybe you should get a life and focus on other different, more various things ?
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If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.
If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.
Just depends what you want.
The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.
Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.
I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.
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I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.
do not confuse being a pussy with having "morals"
you're wasting your life for nothing
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do not confuse being a pussy with having "morals"
you're wasting your life for nothing
Thats funny.. I feel the same about you. :)
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Thats funny.. I feel the same about you. :)
haha
I've given you the truth - do with it what you will
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a lot naive little women in this thread wasting their money on noxplode and creakic
gayer than spending a fortune to look like shit because you're too afraid to man-up and do the real thing
had i been spending the money i wasted on supplements on HGH and gear, i'd be Mr Olympia today. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just started a cycle after quite a number of years.
Doses are low right now, but I`m gaining like SOB..............recepto rs are as fresh as a daisy. ;)
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I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.
That's the only reason why I havn't tried it yet.
I've seen my buddies get bad gyno, early baldness, awful acne that left scars on the face, high blood pressure and red unhealthy skin. And our own Meso Z went limp from it.
I don't have any moral issues with it at all.
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Just started a cycle after quite a number of years.
Doses are low right now, but I`m gaining like SOB..............recepto rs are as fresh as a daisy. ;)
I've been thinking about this myself after a 5 year span of being clean. My training partner is on 750 of sustanon and growing like a weed. I've been creeping along while clean gaining a few lbs of muscle per year and wondering how fresh my receptors were. Good luck with your cycle
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Thanks bro.....I`ll increase dosages when I stop responding.
Sustanon alone right now and retaining size while dieting and getting stronger almost daily.
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That's the only reason why I havn't tried it yet.
I've seen my buddies get bad gyno, early baldness, awful acne that left scars on the face, high blood pressure and red unhealthy skin. And our own Meso Z went limp from it.
I don't have any moral issues with it at all.
sorry man but thats bullshit, these "side effects" your pals had would be coming either way, juicing or not. Take todays all olympia line up, maybe only branch is bald, and these guys are on colossal doses. If you take some test or some oxandrolone your side effects will be ZERO, 100% zero. Steroids like sustanon and deposteron are primarely made for the eldery you know. Also, you are into weed and it kills brain cells and fucks your lunges 10x worse than cigs so there you go.
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only 1 issue I have with juice
it's not permanent
I'm not superficial enough.
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only 1 issue I have with juice
it's not permanent
I'm not superficial enough.
but muscle isnt permanent either...
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I've hit a plateau for the last few years in lifting, but my 5k and 1/2 marathon times continue to go down. I lift now just for maintenance and because I like to move iron, it doesn't feel wasted. I don't really know how to get juice though, sure there are websites but they never look legit. If I could sit down with somebody I trust face to face and get legit quality gear I would do it in a heartbeat, seems like great fun.
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but muscle isnt permanent either...
you know what I mean
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you know what I mean
What is more of a burden, working out 5x per week or doing 1-2 light maintence cycles per year? Only thing permanent is silicone, the real thing, whether consturcted clean or with some extra test, is the last permanent thing there is.
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you know what I mean
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only 1 issue I have with juice
it's not permanent
I'm not superficial enough.
That's another reason why I don't want to do it.
I'm not into eating and lifting like a bodybuilders 24/7/365. Sometimes I just like to take breaks from the whole thing.
If I do gear and make awesome gains i'll probably just lose them later when I travel or relax on my regimen.
I would only do gear if I was settled down in a situation where I could keep the gains. But if you want to have fun in life, sometimes you gotta break free from the ball and chain for a while and mix it up.
Building and keeping big muscles takes too much work and energy everyday. For certain lifestyles it just doesn't match.
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Thanks bro.....I`ll increase dosages when I stop responding.
Sustanon alone right now and retaining size while dieting and getting stronger almost daily.
lol- makes you wonder why the hell you ever stopped in the first place eh?
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no I dont, really. You should think about juice just as some protein sup that is really 1000% more effective than the others ;D
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no I dont, really. You should think about juice just as some protein sup that is really 1000% more effective than the others ;D
with juice you lose the gains very fast
see craig titus.
naturally you can go without training and eat less and look the same for long periods of time.
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sorry man but thats bullshit, these "side effects" your pals had would be coming either way, juicing or not. Take todays all olympia line up, maybe only branch is bald, and these guys are on colossal doses. If you take some test or some oxandrolone your side effects will be ZERO, 100% zero. Steroids like sustanon and deposteron are primarely made for the eldery you know. Also, you are into weed and it kills brain cells and fucks your lunges 10x worse than cigs so there you go.
I totally disagree with most of that.
Baldness is the only side effect that probably comes anyway with or without gear, the gear just speeds up the baldness.
But gyno, acne, high blood pressure, limp dick..... come on now man, without the gear people don't get all that. That's just crazy talk, trying too hard to minimize steroids dangers.
Weed is not good for your lungs, but it's not nearly as bad as cigarettes, that's for sure.
Weed kills brain cells? I'm pretty sure that's a bullshit myth.
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with juice you lose the gains very fast
see craig titus.
naturally you can go without training and eat less and look the same for long periods of time.
ya but look at what happened to him, he wasnt able to train let alone eat the same while he used, big difference. if you eat good and train hard when off, youll maintain alot of your gains. If you cycle right, you wont get gyno and if you start going bald, sorry to say but you were going to go bald sometime soon.
its all a personal perference on how that person wants to look. take steroids to look a certain way or stay natural, either way you bust your ass everyday in the gym till you feel like youll explode, even more so if using IMO. fuck what others do, do what you want
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lol- makes you wonder why the hell you ever stopped in the first place eh?
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No shit huh?? :)
I was on for long periods at ytimes.....used to do at least 5 shows a years,sometimes even 7.
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No shit huh?? :)
I was on for long periods at ytimes.....used to do at least 5 shows a years,sometimes even 7.
jesus christ. 7?! people dont understand the discipline it takes to diet for one show, let alone 7. fucking props to you sir. wtf
im pretty much resigned now to being on the rest of my life. fuck it- i'll run low dose from here till the box. and its not to be 'big'- i could care less how big i get anymore- i just want to feel good in and out of the gym. anyone who uses will know what i mean.
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jesus christ. 7?! people dont understand the discipline it takes to diet for one show, let alone 7. fucking props to you sir. wtf
im pretty much resigned now to being on the rest of my life. fuck it- i'll run low dose from here till the box. and its not to be 'big'- i could care less how big i get anymore- i just want to feel good in and out of the gym. anyone who uses will know what i mean.
no one if you werent a gimmick you would be a cool cat
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jesus christ. 7?! people dont understand the discipline it takes to diet for one show, let alone 7. fucking props to you sir. wtf
im pretty much resigned now to being on the rest of my life. fuck it- i'll run low dose from here till the box. and its not to be 'big'- i could care less how big i get anymore- i just want to feel good in and out of the gym. anyone who uses will know what i mean.
Thanx bro,same here.......geting old and it will only help my well being..........plus I like looking good and being a strong old geezer! ;D
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no one if you werent a gimmick you would be a cool cat
He`s been cool since he joined the board bro............he just doesn`t like YOU! lol ;D j/k
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with juice you lose the gains very fast
see craig titus.
naturally you can go without training and eat less and look the same for long periods of time.
no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,
both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains
gh15 approved
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I've hit a plateau for the last few years in lifting, but my 5k and 1/2 marathon times continue to go down. I lift now just for maintenance and because I like to move iron, it doesn't feel wasted. I don't really know how to get juice though, sure there are websites but they never look legit. If I could sit down with somebody I trust face to face and get legit quality gear I would do it in a heartbeat, seems like great fun.
What kinda times are you running the 5k in?
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no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
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True dat! I would usually keep the same bodyweight (roughly 165 or so) but go from 8-9% to 12-13% within 3 weeks from stopping training. So my bodyweight would stay roughly the same, but I would lose muscle while gaining fat, all within 3 weeks time.
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no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,
both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains
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God is spot on as always.
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What kinda times are you running the 5k in?
Best was 24:20 this year, not great but a steady improvement from when I started.
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Best was 24:20 this year, not great but a steady improvement from when I started.
So that's an 8 minute per mile pace, not bad man :) And I can't imagine running a half marathon, 5 miles (8 k) is about the max that I can stand lol
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So that's an 8 minute per mile pace, not bad man :) And I can't imagine running a half marathon, 5 miles (8 k) is about the max that I can stand lol
Not bad for an old man! I wouldn't do longer distances than six miles if I couldn't help it, I'm too stubborn and scotch, the registration costs the same for both races usually.
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no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,
both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains
gh15 approved
And I suppose you have some reference material to support this theory?
What the difference between a big fat nasty turd in the shitter and GH 15?
-NOTHING-
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no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,
both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains
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This is just not true, not when you have years of natural lifting under your belt.
When you can train your body to maintain a certain amount of muscle mass without modulating hormone levels, it will tend to maintain that mass. On the other hand, when you use hormones, you body is only used to maintaining that mass with different hormone levels than are natural. So when you go off and stop lifting, you shrink like no tomorrow.
I have been lifting for over 10 years, always natural. Sometimes, work prevents me from going to the gym for weeks or even months on rare occasion. I obviously loose some muscle, but not that much. Nor do I loose all that much strength. And it comes back right away. Why? Because my body is used to naturally carrying a certain amount of muscle.
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This is just not true, not when you have years of natural lifting under your belt.
When you can train your body to maintain a certain amount of muscle mass without modulating hormone levels, it will tend to maintain that mass. On the other hand, when you use hormones, you body is only used to maintaining that mass with different hormone levels than are natural. So when you go off and stop lifting, you shrink like no tomorrow.
I have been lifting for over 10 years, always natural. Sometimes, work prevents me from going to the gym for weeks or even months on rare occasion. I obviously loose some muscle, but not that much. Nor do I loose all that much strength. And it comes back right away. Why? Because my body is used to naturally carrying a certain amount of muscle.
That wasn't my experience as a lifetime natural. I would start losing my level of conditioning within 10 days or so of no training, and then by 3 weeks or so I'd be roughly the same bodyweight but with less muscle and more fat.
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This is just not true, not when you have years of natural lifting under your belt.
I have been lifting for over 10 years, always natural. Sometimes, work prevents me from going to the gym for weeks or even months on rare occasion. I obviously loose some muscle, but not that much. Nor do I loose all that much strength. And it comes back right away. Why? Because my body is used to naturally carrying a certain amount of muscle.
you are confusing fat for muscle
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That wasn't my experience as a lifetime natural. I would start losing my level of conditioning within 10 days or so of no training, and then by 3 weeks or so I'd be roughly the same bodyweight but with less muscle and more fat.
Good post.
The problem is that many of the hardcore naysayers of drug free BB, have never been around hard working, gifted natural bodybuilders.
You can't make a good judgement on something you know very little about.
I have trained and competed useing a moderate amounts of drugs for a few yrs in the 80's and without any drugs for many years before and after that. At age 52, I am now on prescribed Androgel which keeps my testoserone levels in the "ideal range" as directed by my doctor.
I train now and will always train for MYSELF and the passion I have for feeling a great pump in the gym and seeing my body change when I diet right.
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Good post.
The problem is that many of the hardcore naysayers of drug free BB, have never been around hard working, gifted natural bodybuilders.
You can't make a good judgement on something you know very little about.
I have trained and competed useing a moderate amounts of drugs for a few yrs in the 80's and without any drugs for many years before and after that. At age 52, I am now on prescribed Androgel which keeps my testoserone levels in the "ideal range" as directed by my doctor.
I train now and will always train for MYSELF and the passion I have for feeling a great pump in the gym and seeing my body change when I diet right.
every single time he come with this androgel sentence almost like its locked into his getbig sentences and he just attach it lol ,,hward stop with the balonie,, i trained many true naturals ,,they lose muscle like there is no tomorrow the moment they skip on meals and especialy moment they skip the gym for over 5 days lol they lose weight so fast its not even funny,,and if they dont they become soft and fatter,,the ones who fight it do not remain same bodyfat ,,they become skinny fat in record time ,,or just their good ole obese..ya know who im talkin about the 247 lb 5'11 fellas that have 24% bodyfat yet their arms look somewhat toned because they hodl some muscle there lol ,,you know exactly who im talking about ,,,no chest soft chest ,,,delts full of fat ,,,idsection of obese 260 lb woman ,,but the arms look decent and make them look 13% lol you know who they are lol ,,yes they are naturals but look what they look like lol
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every single time he come with this androgel sentence almost like its locked into his getbig sentences and he just attach it lol ,,hward stop with the balonie,, i trained many true naturals ,,they lose muscle like there is no tomorrow the moment they skip on meals and especialy moment they skip the gym for over 5 days lol they lose weight so fast its not even funny,,and if they dont they become soft and fatter,,the ones who fight it do not remain same bodyfat ,,they become skinny fat in record time ,,or just their good ole obese..ya know who im talkin about the 247 lb 5'11 fellas that have 24% bodyfat yet their arms look somewhat toned because they hodl some muscle there lol ,,you know exactly who im talking about ,,,no chest soft chest ,,,delts full of fat ,,,idsection of obese 260 lb woman ,,but the arms look decent and make them look 13% lol you know who they are lol ,,yes they are naturals but look what they look like lol
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^^^^ this. Muscle is muscle and no its nor permanent, not permanent at all. If anything, steroids will help you hold size during a break from training or if you are suffering from a sickness. Also, the extra test helps you recover mass much more quickly too!
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i trained many true naturals ,,they lose muscle like there is no tomorrow the moment they skip on meals and especialy moment they skip the gym for over 5 days
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After 5 days??? It's been awhile since I've been in decent condition, and I vaguely remember it being at around 10 days or so. But who knows, maybe I'm getting a little senile in my old age lol And in my case, I didn't really lose scale weight, I just worsened my body comp, due to keeping the calories jacked up while not training
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After 5 days??? It's been awhile since I've been in decent condition, and I vaguely remember it being at around 10 days or so. But who knows, maybe I'm getting a little senile in my old age lol And in my case, I didn't really lose scale weight, I just worsened my body comp, due to keeping the calories jacked up while not training
I followed Mentzer's routine in his second book for almost a year in the late 90's. That meant 4 workouts a month and I still gained muscle and strength. I did lead a very active lifestyle outside the gym mind you. I just became bored with it and never went back to it.
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After a GREAT work out, when you busted your ass hard very hard, felt every muscle fiber pumped up from the rep one and increased they weight after each set..... dont you also get a impression that if you were on the sauce your improvements would be much much better and how in some way you just wasted a great training session?
I do, I mean the difference is ridiculous and even if you are actually still improving as a natural, chances are you would be getting a phenomenal physique if you were on as little as maintence doses. So there goes 80% of your "intensity" and "discipline" right to the garbage can!!
I was coming back from the gym today, feeling like shit because of a slight fever that made me almost puke during the back workout, and had this thought again. I really didnt want to start with the test and stuff again since Im still having gains but fuck it why not speed up things a little??
Also, the thread Stavios just started about Jose admiting how "it took 14 years to go from 154 to 176 and 2years to get to 202" just made me lol. 14 fuckin years to gain 20 fuckin pounds, and then suddently it took him MONHTS go add more 20lbs or so, talk about wasted time!! Seriously, training hard while being naturla is so lame, cant see other reason for that other than bragging you are clean to friends and on internet forums, in the end you can always tell a white lie and keep preaching your natural status or blame it on pro hormones ;D.
Yeah, I guess you’d feel great while on but at some point you’ll have to come off.. and then you’re f*cked! back in a worse spot than when you began - with the hormonal profile of a girl scout, weeping at sunsets and how life sucks etc.…Not worth it!
I've got nothing against guys that use gear, have no moral issue with it. I've got friends that have gotten big time into it but they all seem to say the same "when off gear training seems like a waste of time"
The whole scene always sounded in many aspects like Pandora’s box to me. I just question would it make me any happier..I don't think so, then what's the point? If you have aspirations to be a IFBB Pro like Jose then you have to make the decision to go that road..But otherwise I think you're adding way too much value to being temporarily jacked up. Good luck ;)
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every single time he come with this androgel sentence almost like its locked into his getbig sentences and he just attach it lol ,,hward stop with the balonie,, i trained many true naturals ,,they lose muscle like there is no tomorrow the moment they skip on meals and especialy moment they skip the gym for over 5 days lol they lose weight so fast its not even funny,,and if they dont they become soft and fatter,,the ones who fight it do not remain same bodyfat ,,they become skinny fat in record time ,,or just their good ole obese..ya know who im talkin about the 247 lb 5'11 fellas that have 24% bodyfat yet their arms look somewhat toned because they hodl some muscle there lol ,,you know exactly who im talking about ,,,no chest soft chest ,,,delts full of fat ,,,idsection of obese 260 lb woman ,,but the arms look decent and make them look 13% lol you know who they are lol ,,yes they are naturals but look what they look like lol
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i'd say this is true somewhat even for guys who sauce. i find when im dieting, if im not getting all my fats in say for 3-4 days in a row- i like very low carb/ very high fat- it'll be nothing for me to lose fullness and about 3-4 pounds of scale weight. but the loss of fullness from the lack of fats is most noticeable.
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You're talking a load of shit gh15.
I've had lay-offs longer than 4 weeks where I, at most, dropped 3-4 pounds which would mostly be just water as I come off the creatine as well. I gained everything back within a week. If you want to be taken seriously, stop talking out of your ass. The only thing that's rougher for us would be getting fat due to keeping up the volume of eating we do and NOT training (e.g, lay-offs). But I have an idea that would be the same for the 'users'. If I have breaks away from the gym, I immediately drop my calorie intake and still keep up the light cardio 4 times a week.
You've gone and picked the worst possible examples.
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steroids allow you to look great and have a life
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Yeah, I guess you’d feel great while on but at some point you’ll have to come off.. and then you’re f*cked! back in a worse spot than when you began - with the hormonal profile of a girl scout, weeping at sunsets and how life sucks etc.…Not worth it!
I've got nothing against guys that use gear, have no moral issue with it. I've got friends that have gotten big time into it but they all seem to say the same "when off gear training seems like a waste of time"
The whole scene always sounded in many aspects like Pandora’s box to me. I just question would it make me any happier..I don't think so, then what's the point? If you have aspirations to be a IFBB Pro like Jose then you have to make the decision to go that road..But otherwise I think you're adding way too much value to being temporarily jacked up. Good luck ;)
The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.
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The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.
why arent you doing it then if it is so easy?
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The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.
Sorry to butt in, but why do you think natural lifters don't have a life? I train 3 times a week, 30min sessions. H.I.T. 2 warm up sets, one working set to failure and beyond. Smash it hard, get the fuck out. I walk/jog to the gym and back for my cardio. 3 miles in total. I eat healthy anyway so it's not like I'm making major sacrifices there. Mostly I eat 6 times a day, sometimes I can't. Who cares, I'm not an Olympia contender. Your muscles won't shrivel up and die if you don't eat every 3 hours on the dot. I take whey protein, creatine and Glutamine along with some multi's. It takes 2min swallowing it all down. I get on with my life. It may take me 5 years to look good instead of the 1 year it took the guy who shot up tiger juice, but hey, I've done my 5 years already, 3 times over, paid my dues and look solid. No reason to start doing it now.
I have ZERO issues with someone paying their dues first before injecting, I have major issues with newbies and idiots wanting to look for an easy way and inject from day one. It never works out for them anyway. Ever.
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why arent you doing it then if it is so easy?
Where did I say it was easy? Also, Im still in the process of building a natural base and figuring out things as far as training schedule and nutrition goes. I used to be from that school of ballloing in offseason and stuff, getting very bloated during bulking cycles. Now Im learning more about trenbolone and short acting test esthers, getting more quality gains without the ballon effect - which is perfect because one thing that was holding me from juicing again is the fact that that off season look would kill me professionally.
I say Im getting close to getting down to business though.
What kind of foods you use for the fats you mentioned earlier?
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Sorry to butt in, but why do you think natural lifters don't have a life? I train 3 times a week, 30min sessions. H.I.T. 2 warm up sets, one working set to failure and beyond. Smash it hard, get the fuck out. I walk/jog to the gym and back for my cardio. 3 miles in total. I eat healthy anyway so it's not like I'm making major sacrifices there. Mostly I eat 6 times a day, sometimes I can't. Who cares, I'm not an Olympia contender. Your muscles won't shrivel up and die if you don't eat every 3 hours on the dot. I take whey protein, creatine and Glutamine along with some multi's. It takes 2min swallowing it all down. I get on with my life. It may take me 5 years to look good instead of the 1 year it took the guy who shot up tiger juice, but hey, I've done my 5 years already, 3 times over, paid my dues and look solid. No reason to start doing it now.
I have ZERO issues with someone paying their dues first before injecting, I have major issues with newbies and idiots wanting to look for an easy way and inject from day one. It never works out for them anyway. Ever.
Ok I was kinda of joking about not having a life but I think you get the point. I train 5x per week and I feel it takes a precious part of the time of my day, hours that I could be using for getting the extra edge in my profession. I ageee 100% with your last phrase.
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no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,
hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,
both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains
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hasn't happened to me yet.
i take a month off every now and then and keep all gains.
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hasn't happened to me yet.
i take a month off every now and then and keep all gains.
But are you in a very conditioned state? Meaning sitting at around 6-7% bodyfat.
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You're talking a load of shit gh15.
I've had lay-offs longer than 4 weeks where I, at most, dropped 3-4 pounds which would mostly be just water as I come off the creatine as well. I gained everything back within a week. If you want to be taken seriously, stop talking out of your ass. The only thing that's rougher for us would be getting fat due to keeping up the volume of eating we do and NOT training (e.g, lay-offs). But I have an idea that would be the same for the 'users'. If I have breaks away from the gym, I immediately drop my calorie intake and still keep up the light cardio 4 times a week.
You've gone and picked the worst possible examples.
i never pick bad examples,,not when it cxome to bodyuild ,,thats what im make my living off....the reason one wil remain same weight...not size but weight...is due to increase in fat and adipose tissue while off training while truly natural...the reason you dont see big diff in yuro case is because you are not singl digit,,im talkin about conditioned bodybuilders,,CONDITIONED BODYBUILDERS!,,your all way of attitude the wy you write here tell me you are mid doubles,,mid doubles to high doubles look the same wether working out or guy but look the same,,
anyne who does any cardio as natural is chubb chubb as in 15% or so ,,singles digit fellas do not touch cardio,,they may say they do it come to gym couple days do it 3 -4 times and quit,,not enough muscle to hold when natural ,,need to cherish eveyr little bit youi have,,
i never talk about of my ass,, just make sure you read bible insted of arguing with me,,i come off arrogant because im givign you my time here out of generousity ,,so i can come off how ever i feel like,,
appriciate it dont abuse it
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,,singles digit fellas do not touch cardio,,
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Are you talking about naturals here?
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But are you in a very conditioned state? Meaning sitting at around 6-7% bodyfat.
yes I have high metabolism. very lean
3 good sized meals a day with all the macros and you should be fine.