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and it didn't even take a day >:(
Fuck him and fuck the attorney's who defend shit like him. I drove past this bastards house yesterday only because it's on the way home from mine. he did it, it was per-meditaded, my friend is dead and her daughter is without her mom along with others and a community is devastated. He admitted it, he had other fire arms on him and in his truck, he was waring body armor. Someone should fucking snip this #### to or from the police station, to or from prison, to or from court or whatever and now an insanity plea so this bastard could live?? FUCK HIM!
My friends killer is living the good life serving 25 to life. Why is he living the good life?.......because he's still FUCKING alive. Aaaaahhhhhhhh >:( :'(
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/seal-beach-shooting-da-expects-an-insanity-defense.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
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and it didn't even take a day >:(
Fuck him and fuck the attorney's who defend shit like him. I drove past this bastards house yesterday only because it's on the way home from mine. he did it, it was per-meditaded, my friend is dead and her daughter is without her mom along with others and a community is devastated. He admitted it, he had other fire arms on him and in his truck, he was waring body armor. Someone should fucking snip this #### to or from the police station, to or from prison, to or from court or whatever and now an insanity plea so this bastard could live?? FUCK HIM!
My friends killer is living the good life serving 25 to life. Why is he living the good life?.......because he's still FUCKING alive. Aaaaahhhhhhhh >:( :'(
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/seal-beach-shooting-da-expects-an-insanity-defense.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Personally i wouldn't say he is living the good life. I would find life in prison to be far worse a punishment than death.
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Your friend's killer is serving 25 to life? And you refer to this as the "good life?"
Where is he doing his time?
Don't worry my friend, justice will always be served. I thought you knew this.
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Of course this asshole is insane. Only an insane fucktard would so such a thing. Insanity is no defense, no reason, no excuse for what this cretin did.
Worse still are those that would allow it to be so.
Again, you and those who lost loved ones have my heartfelt condolences, Coach.
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Personally i wouldn't say he is living the good life. I would find life in prison to be far worse a punishment than death.
Why is it that every person sentenced to death fights to have their sentence reduce to life in prison?
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Of course this asshole is insane. Only an insane fucktard would so such a thing. Insanity is no defense, no reason, no excuse for what this cretin did.
Worse still are those that would allow it to be so.
Again, you and those who lost loved ones have my heartfelt condolences, Coach.
Being insane is all the more reason they should be locked up forever or put to death.
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Why is it that every person sentenced to death fights to have their sentence reduce to life in prison?
No clue... That was my personal preference. If i had to choose between life with a bunch of thugs and death i would choose death. You might be thinking of all the innocent people put on death row who are fighting to get it repealed. If i was innocent then i would probably fight it too. If i was guilty however then id rather be put to death.
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Execute him immediately after he is found guilty .
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you guys know that life imprisonment is on average cheaper, by millions (3 million per prisoner I think) than capital punishment
I thought this was common knowledge ???
Isn't Coach really big on less Gov spending?
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No clue... That was my personal preference. If i had to choose between life with a bunch of thugs and death i would choose death. You might be thinking of all the innocent people put on death row who are fighting to get it repealed. If i was innocent then i would probably fight it too. If i was guilty however then id rather be put to death.
Nope, not a lot of innocent people on death row. There's not a single person on death that would rather be put to death. If there was, they'd be dead. The only reason they're not is the appeal process. They can waive that if the really wanted to die.
The reason you would not want to live is because you are not a murderer. You're a fairly decent human being that doesn't have it in him to kill an innocent person. You're not an animal and a certain quality of life is necessary to make life worth living.
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you guys know that life imprisonment is on average cheaper, by millions (3 million per prisoner I think) than capital punishment
I thought this was common knowledge ???
Isn't Coach really big on less Gov spending?
Link?
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you guys know that life imprisonment is on average cheaper, by millions (3 million per prisoner I think) than capital punishment
I thought this was common knowledge ???
Isn't Coach really big on less Gov spending?
There's more than enough money in my neighborhood to cover the cost of his IMMEDIATE execution. We don't need californias inept government. besides, in california you're on death row for at least 20 years. tell me how it can be cheaper than $10 bullet or a $100 electric bill.
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There's more than enough money in my neighborhood to cover the cost of his IMMEDIATE execution. We don't need californias inept government. besides, in california you're on death row for at least 20 years. tell me how it can be cheaper than $10 bullet or a $100 electric bill.
million dollar paper work :-\
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million dollar paper work :-\
Bingo!
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in Calif, many killers prefer to be on death row b/c the living arrangements are better. They know the state wont kill them for decades if ever.
BTW, this dude wont get executed. ever. probably wont even receive a death sentance.
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Your friend's killer is serving 25 to life? And you refer to this as the "good life?"
Where is he doing his time?
Don't worry my friend, justice will always be served. I thought you knew this.
don't forget the "good news"
deeds don't matter
belief in jesus will redeem his soul
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it's a shame he complied with SBPD when pulled over... they could've ended "it" then
what a freaking awful tragedy :'(
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Link?
This is from a book I have that came out last January. Also below are some links to some of this too.
Since 1976, based on the cost and the total number of executions, the total for each execution in California is $250 million
Florida spends $51 million just keeping the inmates on death row. Or $24 million per execution since 1976.
Maryland has spent $186 million for five executions between 1978 and 1999.
In Texas, the cost per case is $2.3 million, but that is still three times the cost of keeping a criminal in maximum security for 40 years.
In 2003, the state of Kansas issued a report (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1012) saying that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable noncapital cases, including incarceration. Other studies in North Carolina, Texas, Florida, etc show that the total costs of the death penalty exceeded the costs of life without parole sentences by 38 percent.
For more info: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
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This is from a book I have that came out last January. Also below are some links to some of this too.
Since 1976, based on the cost and the total number of executions, the total for each execution in California is $250 million
Florida spends $51 million just keeping the inmates on death row. Or $24 million per execution since 1976.
Maryland has spent $186 million for five executions between 1978 and 1999.
In Texas, the cost per case is $2.3 million, but that is still three times the cost of keeping a criminal in maximum security for 40 years.
In 2003, the state of Kansas issued a report (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1012) saying that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable noncapital cases, including incarceration. Other studies in North Carolina, Texas, Florida, etc show that the total costs of the death penalty exceeded the costs of life without parole sentences by 38 percent.
For more info: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
That's just fucking retarded. Theres a simpler more effective way of getting this done.
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I'm not really in favor of the death penalty but I do think that if you have it, it should be working and the punishment should be delivered swiftly.
These guys filing appeal after appeal for thirty years, and states that rarely seem inclined to enforce it, make a mockery of it.
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That's just fucking retarded. Theres a simpler more effective way of getting this done.
That begs the question: Do you want to live in a society that can easily and quickly legitimately have you killed. Does that defeat the purpose of society, etc. What is the role of punishment? Deterrence, revenge, retribution, closure, etc. Of what value, if any, should be prescribed to human rights, dignity, etc.
It's a complicated issue.
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executions shoud lonly be kept to the highest of highest of criminals,, the mega mass murderers ,, war criminals ,, the natzis the usamas etc,,
there shoudl be no death penalty in americana ,, it is primitive and it is really only fit the big war criminals who murdererd 1000s and 100s of thousands of souls
if casey antony is getting her nails done and suckin fat black cock right now....then scot peterson shoudl not sit and wait for death ....and this fella also should get life in prison ,,
life in prison with out the poisibility of parol ,, this is the right punishment and should be the top punishments for cases of the such ,,
but americana is fucked up as we all know ,, double faced hypocrats ,, its is very comlicated with americanos and their political corectness
death panelty should be completely canceled unless it is a war criminal of the worst kind,, aka hitler,, aka usama bin laden ,, etc
gh15 approved
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Execute him immediately after he is found guilty .
That simply is not how the system works.
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I never agree with che but this time he's right on.
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That begs the question: Do you want to live in a society that can easily and quickly legitimately have you killed. Does that defeat the purpose of society, etc. What is the role of punishment? Deterrence, revenge, retribution, closure, etc. Of what value, if any, should be prescribed to human rights, dignity, etc.
It's a complicated issue.
Yes, in this type of circumstance, No doesn't defeat the purpose of society, many roles for punishment, deterrrence, retribution, human rights ends when a person batantly and maliciously loads his weapons, puts them in his vehicles, drives to a place of business and opens fire on innocent people.
The problems with todays society in America is that our government and bleeding heart crybaby fuckheads have give the criminals more rights than the victims and their families. Once a person is convicted of a crime like this, death should be swift, not 20+ years of paperwork and bullshit.
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There's more than enough money in my neighborhood to cover the cost of his IMMEDIATE execution. We don't need californias inept government. besides, in california you're on death row for at least 20 years. tell me how it can be cheaper than $10 bullet or a $100 electric bill.
You have an over simplified idea of how things work or you'd like them to work. If California laws are like Oregon's, folks on death row are guaranteed several appeals before that switch is pulled. It's the cost of these appeals that ends up making capital punishment so much more expensive than a sentence of life in prison.
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Execute him immediately after he is found guilty .
it doesnt work that way...
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it doesnt work that way...
That simply is not how the system works.
No shit ::)
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Look what color he is. Those kind always kill a lot of people if something minor happen in their lives. Been doing it for hundreds of years.
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Fuck him and fuck the attorney's who defend shit like him. I drove past this bastards house yesterday only because it's on the way home from mine. he did it, it was per-meditaded, my friend is dead and her daughter is without her mom along with others and a community is devastated. He admitted it, he had other fire arms on him and in his truck, he was waring body armor. Someone should fucking snip this #### to or from the police station, to or from prison, to or from court or whatever and now an insanity plea so this bastard could live?? FUCK HIM!
His admission will be used against him in the proper venue: a Court of law. There a jury of his peers (or a Judge if he waives his right to a jury trial) will evaluate the facts and reach a verdict. I understand that it's not to your liking, but it's how the system works. As to the planned insanity defense, you need to realize that before he can mount an insanity defense at trial he will be evaluated by qualified medical professionals, and with their input, the Court will then decide whether he can do so or not.
And Coach, why are you lashing out at the attorney? I don't know the details in this case, but has it occurred to you that perhaps he was appointed by the Court and he has no choice in whether to defend him or not? Not that it whether he's appointed or retained matters, one way or the other. We, as a society, have decided that every man, no matter how vile or how despicable his crime, deserves his day in Court and a defense.
It sounds like you're saying: "To hell with Courts, and juries. To hell with the law and the Constitution. We should, each, take the law into our own hands, gunning down those we determine to be guilty." Par for the course, I guess, since you don't strike me as someone who cares much for principles anyways -- not when they get in the way...
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That begs the question: Do you want to live in a society that can easily and quickly legitimately have you killed. Does that defeat the purpose of society, etc. What is the role of punishment? Deterrence, revenge, retribution, closure, etc. Of what value, if any, should be prescribed to human rights, dignity, etc.
It's a complicated issue.
When a case is as cut and dried as this no need for all the appeals and BS paper work.
The role of punishing a crime is both as a deterrent and, yes, retribution. In Saudi Arabia when you see a thief get his hand chopped off it's a message to others that this is what is going to happen to you if you the same thing. If crimes were not punished, laws are meaningless. There would be no law.
The only way a society can make a statement on how egregious a crime is how they punish it. Chewing gum in Singapore is illegal. You are fined. The amount of the fine is how Singapore tells you how egregious the crime is. If they executed you for chewing gum that would be their way of telling you that chewing gum is a very, very bad thing. How we punish murderers is how we announce how egregious we believe the crime to be. It is not a coincidence that capital punishment, the death penalty for murder, is the only law mentioned in the first five books of the Bible, The Torah.
Once someone commits murder -- kills an innocent person, he has taken a step that will forever change him. He can never be the same person again. *He has committed an unforgivable sin.* And once you have done something it's always a little bit easier to do it again and the more you do it the easier it gets. Executing a murderer insures he will never kill again. Think of all the cases where people on death row have killed someone in prison or the instances when an escape or released prisoner killed again. Here's just one list of murderers that have murdered again.
http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html
Executing a murderer finally brings closure to the living who knew and loved the victim. You may not think it matters but unless you've been there, and I have, it matters. It matters a lot. As long as the person is alive: Living, breathing, eating, interacting and befriending other, writing letters and emails, in some case getting married and having relationships, watching TV and movies, reading, playing basketball; in cases like Timothy McVeigh and Manson getting interviewed and still being in the public eye.... Once they're dead, it's over. You don't think about the murderer anymore because there's nothing to think about. Nobody cares about McVeigh now but I just read another article on Manson about a month ago. And you will keep hearing about him when his review board comes up because he's still alive. You will still get the occasional "What is Manson Up to Now?" And that's because he is still alive. He should be dead. And of course by closure I don't mean you forget about the person you lost. You still think about the victim but in a different way. You think more in a way that you would when a loved one has passed on. You think more about their life and the impact they had on you. Not so much that they were murdered. Their murderer is gone now. There's no longer that nagging sense of unfinished business.
** An act can only be forgiven by the person violated. If your wife cheated on you and I told that I forgive her you would say, "Who gives a shit! You weren't the one cheated on!" Murder is the only sin that cannot be forgiven because the person who is the only one the can rightfully do the forgiving is dead. One can always forgive a murderer for the pain caused by losing a loved one but that's not forgiving the murder.
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There's more than enough money in my neighborhood to cover the cost of his IMMEDIATE execution. We don't need californias inept government. besides, in california you're on death row for at least 20 years. tell me how it can be cheaper than $10 bullet or a $100 electric bill.
I'd rather he was stripped to his shorts, chained by his ankles behind a pickup truck and dragged about 5 miles an hour over course gravel for an hour then left to hear the sound of his own whimpering for 24 hours. Then if he lives, repeat the process for 40 days. No food and only salt water to drink. Pour vinegar over his wounds.
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I'd rather he was stripped to his shorts, chained by his ankles behind a pickup truck and dragged about 5 miles an hour over course gravel for an hour then left to hear the sound of his own whimpering for 24 hours. Then if he lives, repeat the process for 40 days. No food and only salt water to drink. Pour vinegar over his wounds.
nice ;D
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I'd rather he was stripped to his shorts, chained by his ankles behind a pickup truck and dragged about 5 miles an hour over course gravel for an hour then left to hear the sound of his own whimpering for 24 hours. Then if he lives, repeat the process for 40 days. No food and only salt water to drink. Pour vinegar over his wounds.
This would be a serious possibility in the middle east.
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if they plead insanity (found guilty or not) they should automatically get sentenced to death. we don't need insane people running around
and when I say death penalty i don't mean lethal injection, it should be primitive and barbaric
(http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1863/rebel-spies-hanged.jpg)
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His admission will be used against him in the proper venue: a Court of law. There a jury of his peers (or a Judge if he waives his right to a jury trial) will evaluate the facts and reach a verdict. I understand that it's not to your liking, but it's how the system works. As to the planned insanity defense, you need to realize that before he can mount an insanity defense at trial he will be evaluated by qualified medical professionals, and with their input, the Court will then decide whether he can do so or not.
And Coach, why are you lashing out at the attorney? I don't know the details in this case, but has it occurred to you that perhaps he was appointed by the Court and he has no choice in whether to defend him or not? Not that it whether he's appointed or retained matters, one way or the other. We, as a society, have decided that every man, no matter how vile or how despicable his crime, deserves his day in Court and a defense.
It sounds like you're saying: "To hell with Courts, and juries. To hell with the law and the Constitution. We should, each, take the law into our own hands, gunning down those we determine to be guilty." Par for the course, I guess, since you don't strike me as someone who cares much for principles anyways -- not when they get in the way...
You're absolutely right and I apologize, yesterday I spoke out of pure anger and posted RIGHT after reading that article. Of course he should get his due process but I just have a hard time wondering why (unless he has a public defender) or how anyone can defend this persons life after he destroyed countless lives including his 8 year old son who has grow up knowing what his father did.
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I think capital punishment should be reserved for only the absolute worst violent criminals, particularly repeat offenders...but for those citing that capital punishment is more expensive, it is only so because our legal system is fucked up. We allow countless appeals and pay for excessive legal costs for these fuckers. If we mandated that a person sentenced to death get 1 appeal (more than 1 appeals only if significant new evidence comes to light, as determined by an arbitrator) and must be executed within 5-10yrs, it would likely be much less expensive than keeping someone in our overcrowded prisons for life.
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You're absolutely right and I apologize, yesterday I spoke out of pure anger and posted RIGHT after reading that article. Of course he should get his due process but I just have a hard time wondering why (unless he has a public defender) or how anyone can defend this persons life after he destroyed countless lives including his 8 year old son who has grow up knowing what his father did.
Forget defending his life how about granting this disgusting human entrance into heaven with the people he murdered? , assuming he was repentant and honestly meant it? Honestly Coach how do you reconcile this?
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Why is it that every person sentenced to death fights to have their sentence reduce to life in prison?
Because even a hardcore killer is afraid of death---Death means THE END...the same reason why Tookie had a tear come out. Only a truly insane person welcomes death, and even then there is still a inkling of fear.
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Forget defending his life how about granting this disgusting human entrance into heaven with the people he murdered? , assuming he was repentant and honestly meant it? Honestly Coach how do you reconcile this?
1. Don't hijack this thread.
2. I can (as with any good Christian) can forgive but we will NEVER forget.
3. We believe if he TRULY repentant and accepts God as his Lord and savior then yes, he will. If that's what he chooses then it's between him and God.
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1. Don't hijack this thread.
2. I can (as with any good Christian) can forgive but we will NEVER forget.
3. We believe if he TRULY repentant and accepts God as his Lord and savior then yes, he will. If that's what he chooses then it's between him and God.
It's not a highjack it was a serious question that was related to you opining about the lawyer's ethics in defending him. Which is worse? the lawyer defending him or him being excused for his actions by God?
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A murder is committed out of 3 broad motivations:
Insanity, killer is a psychopath.
Premeditated, the murderer either expects not to get caught or deems his own punishment as a price worth paying.
Crime passiončle, murder in a fit of rage.
all 3 circumstances exclude retributivism as a inhibiting argument.
The fact is that in countries/states with capital punishment, the number of murders is not smaller. There's a multitude of factors at play, but ultimately it does make a very poor case for retributivism as effective deterrent.
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God's punishment would be far worse.
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It's not a highjack it was a serious question that was related to you opining about the lawyer's ethics in defending him. Which is worse? the lawyer defending him or him being excused for his actions by God?
A lawyer's job is to make sure the defendant gets a fair trial, not to get him out of jail. Unfortunately that is lost on many (including a lot of lawyers).
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God's punishment would be far worse.
I don't believe there is a god, but I thought the idea about him was forgiveness and stuff....
And this case is another reason to stop selling guns in stores in the US like they are toys.
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I apologize for this long post, but I intend on showing how complicated this issue is (I've spent a lot of time on the issue of Capital Punishment), and those who are very close to the issue (family, friends, etc) are usually affected by rage and are very emotional and this interferes with their ability to think logically and rationally. I, for one, do not think people should be killed solely because those citing the justification for said person's death are very emotional.
Yes, in this type of circumstance
But who is to decide in what circumstances it is permissible for the state (whose purpose it can be argued is to protect you against harm from others) to harm you directly itself.
many roles for punishment, deterrence, retribution,
It has not been shown that Capital Punishment is any more of a deterrent than life in prison. I have done studies on this myself for classes. There's no relationship at all between a state that implements capital punishment and the murder rate afterwards (Some argue that a state implementing CP actually raises murder, i.e. "if the state has legitimate reason to kill a person, then why don't I"). The Southern U.S. has the highest rate of CP in the U.S., but it also has the highest murder rate per capita. Others argue that most murders are committed out of rage, not out of rational thought. So the thought of deterrence "If I do X, then I automatically get Y" never crosses their mind.
In regards to retribution. CP would only be an "eye for an eye" punishment in regards to murder. But doesn't the U.S. put rapists and kidnappers and traitors on death row? How is that "eye for an eye"? If you really agree to that, you would be advocating that the Government should implement rape and only rape for convicted rapists. Also, some say that CP cannot be an "eye for an eye" because CP is not only death, but "torture until death" and this goes beyond what the accused did (assuming the accused murdered) (for more info on this last point, see "Against the Death Penalty" by Jeffrey Reiman)
There's a quote regarding retribution that I think fits. Nobel Laureate Albert Camus wrote, "For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life"
human rights ends when a person batantly and maliciously loads his weapons, puts them in his vehicles, drives to a place of business and opens fire on innocent people.
You're making a nonempirical claim that needs reasons to back it up. Some people argue that human rights are inviolable (right to life for example). Doesn't the Declaration say that all men have certain inalienable rights including the right to life? That means the state does not have power to take away life (the reality of how this statement has been carried out is not relevant to the definition of the statement). Some argue that by mere fact of being humans we have certain dignities and rights that cannot be taken away by other humans.
The problems with todays society in America is that our government and bleeding heart crybaby fuckheads have give the criminals more rights than the victims and their families. Once a person is convicted of a crime like this, death should be swift, not 20+ years of paperwork and bullshit.
The problem is with many in todays society think that it is the "rights of the criminals" that is faulty. But consider all the other points before the sentencing of a convicted criminal. One half to two thirds of all crimes are not reported. Police have discretion on whether to arrest or not. 88-93 percent of crimes do not produce arrest. Prosecution has discretion and may not prosecute due to overcrowded system. Years on bail awaiting trial. Plea bargaining might come into play, over 75 percent of convictions result in this manner, then probation or the sentence might be suspended. THEN we get to the trial. The idea that "the system is fucked up because the defendant has too many rights" overlooks this huge line of exit points that occur before the defendant is even sentenced.
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God's punishment would be far worse.
Joe - how does God punish anyone
I thought Satan ran Hell and you'd think he would like guys like this
If God somehow does punish people, does he do that is some specific part of heaven or somewhere else?
Does someone like this get more punishment than say a gay person or just your average run of the mill atheist.
How about someone who was very religious, ethical etc.. but just didn't happen to be a christian (let's say this person was a devout hindu or muslim or jew). Do you think he gets less punishment than this guy?
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this
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if they plead insanity (found guilty or not) they should automatically get sentenced to death. we don't need insane people running around
and when I say death penalty i don't mean lethal injection, it should be primitive and barbaric
And after the insane, who will you go after next? Handicapped? Overweight? Sick?
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And after the insane, who will you go after next? Handicapped? Overweight? Sick?
Most getbiggers will qualify I'm afraid..... :-X
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You're absolutely right and I apologize, yesterday I spoke out of pure anger and posted RIGHT after reading that article. Of course he should get his due process but I just have a hard time wondering why (unless he has a public defender) or how anyone can defend this persons life after he destroyed countless lives including his 8 year old son who has grow up knowing what his father did.
It's understandable. This sort of senseless crime, which shatters so many lives, leaves us all angry. And of course, that applies a thousand-fold to those who were personally affected. That is why we needed a system of Justice based on the rule of law and not raw emotions.
As for the lawyers who defend these people -- whether they are a public defender or an attorney in private practice -- I'm sure that sometimes it's very difficult on them too. But it's their job to be vigorous advocates for their client and ensure they get a fair trial, no matter how despicable or evil they may be.
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Oh, great. Another capital punishment thread.
Capital punishment is no deterrent, and serves no other purpose than a sense of societal revenge. Some people find comfort in this, some don't.
/condolences on your loss, coach.
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and serves no other purpose than a sense of societal revenge.
What's wrong with that ?
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I'll never understand shit like this. This guy walks in and starts shooting up a salon with a dozen or so people in it. Including a couple of males. WTF? I'm not trying to come off as billy bad ass or anything like that but my god didn't anyone think to tackle this fucker? There had to have been atleast a few people next to this guy while he was popping off rounds. The fucker even had time to reload. I don't care if I shit and pissed all over myself out of complete fear.............if I'm going to die I'm sure as fuck going to try to take this asshole out. It's always a lot different being in an actual situation like this and I have been in a couple but A gun Im sure would be different. I just don't get how these guys can sit there and kill this many people in 2 minutes without anyone doing shit. I know most were women but still there were like three men around this guy. Not only that I don't give a fuck if I was a cop I would have put a fucking bullet in this assholes head or whipped out my baton and caused this fucker some serious damange. I mean if there is EVER a time to go Rodney King on someone's ass this would be it.
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Oh, great. Another capital punishment thread.
Capital punishment is no deterrent, and serves no other purpose than a sense of societal revenge. Some people find comfort in this, some don't.
/condolences on your loss, coach.
well the prison system isnt self sustaining , costs money to house inmates, and since they dont try rehabilitating them either housing an inmate for a life sentence really doesnt make sense. if we had a self sustaining criminal rehabilitation system then the death senence wouldnt make sense.
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25 years in Prison is far worse than Death.
You will not be the same human being after that, if you manage 25 years that is.
Mental Torture.
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What's wrong with that ?
Did you read all of my post!?
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25 years in Prison is far worse than Death.
You will not be the same human being after that, if you manage 25 years that is.
Mental Torture.
How do you know this ???
How many years have you spent in prison ???
Have you ever been dead before ???
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well the prison system isnt self sustaining , costs money to house inmates, and since they dont try rehabilitating them either housing an inmate for a life sentence really doesnt make sense. if we had a self sustaining criminal rehabilitation system then the death senence wouldnt make sense.
Didn't the California prison union just recently strike a huge new labour agreement!? Big business is big business, bro. ;D
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Did you read all of my post!?
Yes
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Well, then you know some find comfort in it (CP) and some don't. So why your post!? ???
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So why your post!? ???
I don't know, you are one of my favorite posters here , I apologize bro , I didn't mean to offend you .
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I don't know, you are one of my favorite posters here , I apologize bro , I didn't mean to offend you .
None given, or taken. Just home from a friend's overnight binge, and sat down with a fresh one (probably not a smart move, but feels right). Carry on, as usual. :)
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Sounds like a lot of people in this thread want to roll over like bitches and be assfucked by any two bit criminal that comes along so they don't interfere with his right to have anal sex. ::)
Mangoo....I'll have to respond to you later..but it sounds like you're making an argument to back up existing laws and that people should just accept that its a criminals inalienable right to commit crimes, regardless of the victims rights?
The one paragraph from your nobel guy there gave me a good idea though....surprise executions, just walk to the cell and open fire on the intended subject while he sleeps. I like that. :)
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Sounds like a lot of people in this thread want to roll over like bitches and be assfucked by any two bit criminal that comes along so they don't interfere with his right to have anal sex. ::)
Mangoo....I'll have to respond to you later..but it sounds like you're making an argument to back up existing laws and that people should just accept that its a criminals inalienable right to commit crimes, regardless of the victims rights?
The one paragraph from your nobel guy there gave me a good idea though....surprise executions, just walk to the cell and open fire on the intended subject while he sleeps. I like that. :)
You're not far off from the Japanese. Japanese DP prisoners never know the date of their execution - could be days, or years - until the day they are taken from their cell.
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INTERESTING and mostly intelligent discussion.
It's interesting to see the remarks when emotions are involved such as COACH's initial input followed by an intelligent apology.
But I still have no clue on HOW I SHOULD INTELLIGENTLY FEEL about capital punishment, but my emotional feeling is a ten-cent bullet through the cranium with no paper work except for an IT IS DONE notice once there is no doubt that he is guilty.
DOC, a friend of mine steals and eats apples when he goes shopping realizing that nothing will happen if he gets caught .... but if a big guy with a hand-chopper walked the aisles, he'd be the most honest shopper it the world. (My attempt at simplifying a complicated situation.)
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CHE, You gave up too early. I think your discussion or disagreement with DR GHIMPS was going someplace intelligently.
You do appreciate his friendship as do I, but real friends are there to argue with ... or better stated .... "to discuss serious stuff with".
SORRY! Had to say that.
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Do any of you GetBiggers have any statistics on prison populations, etc in any of these countries that can chop hands off?
I wonder what kind of medical treatment they get afterwards and how much paperwork is required?
And .... How many US prisons have work requirements that enable the prison to be financially solvent?
I think inmates in Nevada make DMV license plates.
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INTERESTING and mostly intelligent discussion.
It's interesting to see the remarks when emotions are involved such as COACH's initial input followed by an intelligent apology.
But I still have no clue on HOW I SHOULD INTELLIGENTLY FEEL about capital punishment, but my emotional feeling is a ten-cent bullet through the cranium with no paper work except for an IT IS DONE notice once there is no doubt that hr is guilty.
DOC, a friend of mine steals and eats apples when he goes shopping realizing that nothing will happen if he gets caught .... but if a big guy with a hand-chopper walked the aisles, he'd be the most honest shopper it the world. (My attempt at simplifying a complicated situation.)
I do feel that the world would be better off without certain individuals. No Question. And please insert your favourite serial killer or war criminal here. I know I have my list. But, as part of the legal/judicial system, the death penalty is a total failure, in all aspects.
/and i only steal and eat jumbo salted cashews, not apples, in grocery stores.
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I don't believe there is a god, but I thought the idea about him was forgiveness and stuff....
And this case is another reason to stop selling guns in stores in the US like they are toys.
Where you live you can get drugs,correct? Legally or illegally? Think of the issue of "guns", like that.
Furthermore, if what you say were true, then we'd have more salon shootings...
The biggest thing is, anyone of us on here is fully capable doing what this guy did...all there needs to be is a "spark', many of us would talk ourselves out of it, and some wouldn't. Everyday there are ordinary citizens that have never committed a crime, or one this heinous, go off the deep end and sdo something totally out of "character".
Now, what I'm interested is how this will play out in court. He may plead insanity, but if he found competent to stand trial, it's a whole 'nother ball game.
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DOC, Only cashews?!
In that case I'd only get the Little-Finger-Chopper-Guy after ya.
But I think and HOPE that capital punishment works!
I do know that it makes me feel better to know that the guy or gal who shoots me for good will be in a shitload of trouble.
Are there any 'stats' that can undeniably prove that CP is worthless?
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But, as part of the legal/judicial system, the death penalty is a total failure, in all aspects.
What if it gives the victim's family a sense of comfort for their loss, is that enough?
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Every issue like this has people on both sides that can provide statistics to prove their side is right. Where is the truth?
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Because even a hardcore killer is afraid of death---Death means THE END...the same reason why Tookie had a tear come out. Only a truly insane person welcomes death, and even then there is still a inkling of fear.
That was my point. If you also quoted the context and who and what I was responding to it would have been obvious.
But there is another case where a murderer will asked to be put to death, and that is the truly repentant. i only know of one case and that is the case of Dave Berkowitz, The Son of Sam. He claimed that he found God. A lot of prisoners find God and use that as a way to get a lighter sentence and possibly early release. Not Berkowitz. He admitted that he did something wrong and must pay for it. And pay for it with his life. He is sentence to life but he has canceled everyone of his parole hearings.
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What if it gives the victim's family a sense of comfort for their loss, is that enough?
Absolutely! But satisfaction at another's loss is a chimera. Totally human, tho.
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I'll never understand shit like this. This guy walks in and starts shooting up a salon with a dozen or so people in it. Including a couple of males. WTF? I'm not trying to come off as billy bad ass or anything like that but my god didn't anyone think to tackle this fucker? There had to have been atleast a few people next to this guy while he was popping off rounds. The fucker even had time to reload. I don't care if I shit and pissed all over myself out of complete fear.............if I'm going to die I'm sure as fuck going to try to take this asshole out. It's always a lot different being in an actual situation like this and I have been in a couple but A gun Im sure would be different. I just don't get how these guys can sit there and kill this many people in 2 minutes without anyone doing shit. I know most were women but still there were like three men around this guy. Not only that I don't give a fuck if I was a cop I would have put a fucking bullet in this assholes head or whipped out my baton and caused this fucker some serious damange. I mean if there is EVER a time to go Rodney King on someone's ass this would be it.
Have you ever been on the scene of an accident? Notice how there may be 30 people standing around with their fingers up their asses? It takes a certain mentality to automatically jump in and get shit done. Some people just don't get that.
Sheeple.
There are plenty of them around.
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Kind of related here ,,,,
Back in the 50's there were a good number of hospitals referred to as 'insane asylums' where people were locked up to avoid haming themselves or others (I recall a few in Napa, Ca where grapes are growing now).
But one month they were all released and the asylums were shut down forever.
True occurance! So where do all these insane, innocent killers end up today?
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Absolutely! But satisfaction at another's loss is a chimera. Totally human, tho.
I'll get back to you after I look up chimera.
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LOL...that's how I feel when Chimps gets all smart n shit. Hahaha!
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I'm still not sure what it means, but I'm probably cool with it.
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Crimes like this should always end with a suicide or police shootout. Saves everyone a lot of heartache and frustration.
Sorry for your loss, Coach.
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CHAOS, Yea, I agree with you. Stats can prove anything you want them to.
I think I learned that the very first day of of Stats 101.
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I'll get back to you after I look up chimera.
Just a fancy word for illusion. My bad. Got a few things on the go, and into a gifted box of Coors Lite.
/and paths of glory is now on tcm!
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Kind of related here ,,,,
Back in the 50's there were a good number of hospitals referred to as 'insane asylums' where people were locked up to avoid haming themselves or others (I recall a few in Napa, Ca where grapes are growing now).
But one month they were all released and the asylums were shut down forever.
True occurance! So where do all these insane, innocent killers end up today?
I think those cuts came during the Reagan administration
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1. Don't hijack this thread.
2. I can (as with any good Christian) can forgive but we will NEVER forget.
3. We believe if he TRULY repentant and accepts God as his Lord and savior then yes, he will. If that's what he chooses then it's between him and God.
Coach, as you well know, there are religious extremist. Islamic fundamentalist are a good example. They are obsessed with their beliefs and try to force others to become just like them and persecute others that don't share their beliefs. They are crazy people and cannot be reasoned with.
What you don't hear much of, because the main stream media agrees with them, is the Secular Extremist. The ones who won't allow the manger scene during Christmas or don't even want the term "Merry Christmas" said. They are the ones that had that little cross removed on the Los Angeles County Seal in 2004. They are the polar opposite of the religious extremist. They are crazy people that cannot be reasoned with. ND is one of these. Just ignore him. He is a secular extremist. It drives him nuts that there are people that don't share his beliefs. He is a crazy person. He is also a fraud and a phony. He tries to portray himself in a way that he is nowhere near to promote his agenda. He is beneath you. If he tries to high-jack your thread, as he is now, report him to the moderators and have his posts deleted. He's a crazy person and a phony and should take his rants to the religious board.
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Coach, as you well know, there are religious extremist. Islamic fundamentalist are a good example. They are obsessed with their beliefs and try to force others to become just like them and persecute others that don't share their beliefs. They are crazy people and cannot be reasoned with.
What you don't hear much of, because the main stream media agrees with them, is the Secular Extremist. The ones who won't allow the manger scene during Christmas or don't even want the term "Merry Christmas" said. They are the ones that had that little cross removed on the Los Angeles County Seal in 2004. They are the polar opposite of the religious extremist. They are crazy people that cannot be reasoned with. ND is one of these. Just ignore him. He is a secular extremist. It drives him nuts that there are people that don't share his beliefs. He is a crazy person. He is also a fraud and a phony. He tries to portray himself in a way that he is nowhere near to promote his agenda. He is beneath you. If he tries to high-jack your thread, as he is now, report him to the moderators and have his posts deleted. He's a crazy person and a phony and should take his rants to the religious board.
Secular extremist!? Really? Atheists can be every bit as driven as their spiritual counter-parts, but wow. That's some good polemic. 4-5 pages to follow, minimum. ;D
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Fuck the coach. He sounds like a chick. Man up and take it all in stride. Worry about your own household and learn to mind your business. Chump.
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INTERESTING and mostly intelligent discussion.
It's interesting to see the remarks when emotions are involved such as COACH's initial input followed by an intelligent apology.
But I still have no clue on HOW I SHOULD INTELLIGENTLY FEEL about capital punishment, but my emotional feeling is a ten-cent bullet through the cranium with no paper work except for an IT IS DONE notice once there is no doubt that he is guilty.
DOC, a friend of mine steals and eats apples when he goes shopping realizing that nothing will happen if he gets caught .... but if a big guy with a hand-chopper walked the aisles, he'd be the most honest shopper it the world. (My attempt at simplifying a complicated situation.)
I don't have particularly strong feelings about the death penalty one way or the other. In a way, I find it to be a remnant of an older time. I think that I'd favor a life term with no possibility of parole "and this time we mean it" type of deal.
You are right that the practically infinite delays are ridiculous and that a death sentence almost always means life in prison, in the sense that the appeals process can run well into the decades. Don't get me wrong, I want appeals, but the situation now -- appeal upon appeal upon appeal -- is out of control.
At the same time, it's ridiculous when he have Courts refuse to hear new evidence that exonerates someone and a Supreme Court Justice argues that although the evidence in question would exonerate an individual, that is irrelevant because all appeals have been exhausted.
It's hard to strike the right balance - perhaps impossible.
My biggest concern with the death penalty is the finality of it. So it should be reserved only for the most egregious cases, where guilt can be proven conclusively and not just beyond a reasonable doubt.
As to the argument that it brings some relief to victims: that reasoning carries little weight in my book. But reasonable people can differ.
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Fuck the coach. He sounds like a chick. Man up and take it all in stride. Worry about your own household and learn to mind your business. Chump.
Excellent contribution to the discourse.
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So you deal in ten dollar words. Good for you. I deal in fists and hundred dollar bills, little man.
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I think a good argument can be made that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime. But that is because of the way it is enforced. When someone is sentence to death he knows, and everybody knows, that's just the beginning. He's not going to be put to death anytime soon. He's got a good 15-20 years before it MIGHT become a real possibility. But to say that death is not a deterrent is to ignore the obvious. If you live in Syria, North Korea, Saudi Arabia... people view the death penalty a little bit differently. If you open a business and someone from the Mexican drug cartel said that you need to pay them a small protection fee you are either going to close shop and move far, far away or you pay the fee. You don't want to die any time soon. But if they told you that if you refuse to cooperate then you're in big trouble .... in the year 2031 -- there might not be a great sense of urgency.
Punishment is a deterrent. That's why we behave. The harsher the punishment the more it will be obeyed. Other than tortured to death, death is the harshest punishment we can give. The problem is often not the laws on the books but how it is enforce.
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Coach, as you well know, there are religious extremist. Islamic fundamentalist are a good example. They are obsessed with their beliefs and try to force others to become just like them and persecute others that don't share their beliefs. They are crazy people and cannot be reasoned with.
What you don't hear much of, because the main stream media agrees with them, is the Secular Extremist. The ones who won't allow the manger scene during Christmas or don't even want the term "Merry Christmas" said. They are the ones that had that little cross removed on the Los Angeles County Seal in 2004. They are the polar opposite of the religious extremist. They are crazy people that cannot be reasoned with. ND is one of these. Just ignore him. He is a secular extremist. It drives him nuts that there are people that don't share his beliefs. He is a crazy person. He is also a fraud and a phony. He tries to portray himself in a way that he is nowhere near to promote his agenda. He is beneath you. If he tries to high-jack your thread, as he is now, report him to the moderators and have his posts deleted. He's a crazy person and a phony and should take his rants to the religious board.
How do you try and force an unbelief on someone? Who is forcing you to not believe in God? ever hear of the separation of church and state? were the founding fathers ' secular extremists ' as well? and that's what you consider extreme? keeping God out of the public form? ??? I thought extremism is when zealots fly planes into buildings and Christians shoot abortion doctors , I guess my view on extremism is much different than yours and to claim I'm the same as them tsk tsk you'll need to do a better job of backing up your claims because you haven't offered any proof just an ad hominem attacks :-\
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I don't have particularly strong feelings about the death penalty one way or the other. In a way, I find it to be a remnant of an older time. I think that I'd favor a life term with no possibility of parole "and this time we mean it" type of deal.
You are right that the practically infinite delays are ridiculous and that a death sentence almost always means life in prison, in the sense that the appeals process can run well into the decades. Don't get me wrong, I want appeals, but the situation now -- appeal upon appeal upon appeal -- is out of control.
At the same time, it's ridiculous when he have Courts refuse to hear new evidence that exonerates someone and a Supreme Court Justice argues that although the evidence in question would exonerate an individual, that is irrelevant because all appeals have been exhausted.
It's hard to strike the right balance - perhaps impossible.
My biggest concern with the death penalty is the finality of it. So it should be reserved only for the most egregious cases, where guilt can be proven conclusively and not just beyond a reasonable doubt.
As to the argument that it brings some relief to victims: that reasoning carries little weight in my book. But reasonable people can differ.
Earlier I made a post that because of it's length many will pass over but included in it was the reasons for the death penalty. This was one of them.
Executing a murderer finally brings closure to the living who knew and loved the victim. You may not think it matters but unless you've been there, and I have, it matters. It matters a lot. As long as the person is alive: Living, breathing, eating, interacting and befriending other, writing letters and emails, in some case getting married and having relationships, watching TV and movies, reading, playing basketball; in cases like Timothy McVeigh and Manson getting interviewed and still being in the public eye.... Once they're dead, it's over. You don't think about the murderer anymore because there's nothing to think about. Nobody cares about McVeigh now but I just read another article on Manson about a month ago. And you will keep hearing about him when his review board comes up because he's still alive. You will still get the occasional "What is Manson Up to Now?" And that's because he is still alive. He should be dead. And of course by closure I don't mean you forget about the person you lost. You still think about the victim but in a different way. You think more in a way that you would when a loved one has passed on. You think more about their life and the impact they had on you. Not so much that they were murdered. Their murderer is gone now. There's no longer that nagging sense of unfinished business.
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I think a good argument can be made that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime. But that is because of the way it is enforced. When someone is sentence to death he knows, and everybody knows, that's just the beginning. He's not going to be put to death anytime soon. He's got a good 15-20 years before it MIGHT become a real possibility. But to say that death is not a deterrent is to ignore the obvious. If you live in Syria, North Korea, Saudi Arabia... people view the death penalty a little bit differently. If you open a business and someone from the Mexican drug cartel said that you need to pay them a small protection fee you are either going to close shop and move far, far away or you pay the fee. You don't want to die any time soon. But if they told you that if you refuse to cooperate then you're in big trouble .... in the year 2031 -- there might not be a great sense of urgency.
Punishment is a deterrent. That's why we behave. The harsher the punishment the more it will be obeyed. Other than tortured to death, death is the harshest punishment we can give. The problem is often not the laws on the books but how it is enforce.
Actually, the best 'deterrent' to violent crime is getting older. Most violence is perpetrated by young males, say 18-40. That'd be fine, except for we keep reproducing. :-\
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Secular extremist!? Really? Atheists can be every bit as driven as their spiritual counter-parts, but wow. That's some good polemic. 4-5 pages to follow, minimum. ;D
No 4-5 pages to follow because he's scared to ' debate ' me which is why he posted to me indirectly with nothing but pleas to emotion and ad hominem attacks , the funny thing is I never once attacked his character or person , another typical day on GetBig , however he likes to fancy himself a man of integrity and honor and just proved himself to the contrary.
lol@ secular extremist
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Actually, the best 'deterrent' to violent crime is getting older. Most violence is perpetrated by young males, say 18-40. That'd be fine, except for we keep reproducing. :-\
lol! It's not a deterrent. Nobody doesn't kill because they are afraid of getting old. Old people don't kill for the same reason they don't do anything. They're just too tired and really don't give a crap about anything anymore. There's just nothing worth while to kill for.
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I think those cuts came during the Reagan administration
You'd think after getting no responses from your first two posts that nobody here cares enough about anything you think to actually engage you in discussion.
I disagree with a lot of your posts, but I always thought you actually had somewhat of a brain behind them. What you're doing in this thread is just being a trolling bag of shit. Shut the fuck up already.
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lol! It's not a deterrent. Nobody doesn't kill because they are afraid of getting old. Old people don't kill for the same reason they don't do anything. They're just too tired and really don't give a crap about anything anymore. There's just nothing worth while to kill for.
Missed my quotes, I see. You really need to read what I write, and not what you think I write.
Most violent crime is committed by young males, and stupidly. Not in movie serial killer storylines, or in your far-fetched posts. Just simply young males who hit someone too hard, kill the girlfriend because of some stupid perceived fault, or just too much alcohol combined with too little brain cells. It's not rocket surgery, nor any big lesson on morals.
When males get older, and test drops, and interests stop being so personal, is when you see real behaviour changes.
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mcmanus, there's no knowing how you're going to react when shit like that goes down. Thoughts like "if I'm going down I'm gonna take hm with me" go through your head when ur reading about it on the a computer but when you're in the situation the #1 thing is figuring out what is going on, trust me it's not easy I was on a corner when a shoot out happened, u don't know wtf is happening and you look to how people are behaving around you to find out. people who've been in the situation react first and you follow. #2 is not getting shot, when you hear shots ringing out and ricocheting off shit, you realize how much it's gonna hurt when you get hit and you avoid that. That shit is startling man, as calm as demeanor as I have, it shook me enough so that when I heard cars backfiring from a block away, "oh shit not again" went through my mind for weeks after
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Earlier I made a post that because of it's length many will pass over but included in it was the reasons for the death penalty. This was one of them.
You are welcome to your opinion, of course. Clearly it brought closure to you, and that's fine. But I would argue that you shouldn't assume that your particular feelings apply to everyone else, which is what you seem to suggest. There have been plenty of victims who actively advocated against the death penalty for the perpetrator of the crime. The reasons are diverse, but this only serves to prove the point that the death penalty doesn't bring the universal closure to victims that you claim it does.
But anyways, this is a sidenote in my post. My point wasn't that the death penalty is good or bad, or whether we should have or not have it. It is one of those topics where reasonable people will differ, and each will have his or her own good reasons for their opinion. Ultimately, it's a very personal thing, and support or opposition depends on one's convictions, outlook and moral code.
As I said, to me, there are crimes for which the death penalty "feels" like the only appropriate punishment, but one that would, if it were up to me, only be applicable in the most egregious cases with indisputable evidence. I understand that this might limit the applicability of the death penalty and might not agree with your particular viewpoints, but such is life.
I will point out again that if we, as a society, decide to have the death penalty as a punishment for certain crimes, beyond ensuring that it's applied carefully to avoid executing innocent people, we shouldn't transform it into a virtual "life in prison" sentence by a process of perpetual and never-ending appeals. I support appeals to higher Courts for legitimate reasons, but there comes a point when appeals are exhausted, and that point shouldn't be four decades after the original conviction.
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I don't have particularly strong feelings about the death penalty one way or the other. In a way, I find it to be a remnant of an older time. I think that I'd favor a life term with no possibility of parole "and this time we mean it" type of deal.
You are right that the practically infinite delays are ridiculous and that a death sentence almost always means life in prison, in the sense that the appeals process can run well into the decades. Don't get me wrong, I want appeals, but the situation now -- appeal upon appeal upon appeal -- is out of control.
At the same time, it's ridiculous when he have Courts refuse to hear new evidence that exonerates someone and a Supreme Court Justice argues that although the evidence in question would exonerate an individual, that is irrelevant because all appeals have been exhausted.
It's hard to strike the right balance - perhaps impossible.
My biggest concern with the death penalty is the finality of it. So it should be reserved only for the most egregious cases, where guilt can be proven conclusively and not just beyond a reasonable doubt.
As to the argument that it brings some relief to victims: that reasoning carries little weight in my book. But reasonable people can differ.
That's my only problem with death penalty.
This man speaks the truth
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fixed ;D
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Searching "polmic"
Try 'polemic?'
Add: I note ND ahead of me.
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Fuck
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You are welcome to your opinion, of course. Clearly it brought closure to you, and that's fine. But I would argue that you shouldn't assume that your particular feelings apply to everyone else, which is what you seem to suggest. There have been plenty of victims who actively advocated against the death penalty for the perpetrator of the crime. The reasons are diverse, but this only serves to prove the point that the death penalty doesn't bring the universal closure to victims that you claim it does.
But anyways, this is a sidenote in my post. My point wasn't that the death penalty is good or bad, or whether we should have or not have it. It is one of those topics where reasonable people will differ, and each will have his or her own good reasons for their opinion. Ultimately, it's a very personal thing, and support or opposition depends on one's convictions, outlook and moral code.
As I said, to me, there are crimes for which the death penalty "feels" like the only appropriate punishment, but one that would, if it were up to me, only be applicable in the most egregious cases with indisputable evidence. I understand that this might limit the applicability of the death penalty and might not agree with your particular viewpoints, but such is life.
I will point out again that if we, as a society, decide to have the death penalty as a punishment for certain crimes, beyond ensuring that it's applied carefully to avoid executing innocent people, we shouldn't transform it into a virtual "life in prison" sentence by a process of perpetual and never-ending appeals. I support appeals to higher Courts for legitimate reasons, but there comes a point when appeals are exhausted, and that point shouldn't be four decades after the original conviction.
No, it doesn't apply to everyone. Nothing applies to everyone. But in general, if someone loses a love one they want to see justice. They want that person to pay with their life. Just look at this thread. The majority here want the murderer dead. And they don't even know the victim. And I surprised to read that even in pussified Europe, the majority of the population support the death penalty.
If you lost a daughter, at son, or any love one to a murderer, a day won't go by thinking that while your little girl is dead and buried her murderer is still walking around living and breathing.
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That's my only problem with death penalty.
This man speaks the truth
Of course. It should only be reserved for those where their guilt is beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe that O.J. is a murderer, I would not want the death penalty for him. With this murderer there is not a shadow of a doubt.
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It should only be reserved for those where their guilt is beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I agree
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I agree
We seem to agree on a lot of things except your puzzling admiration for the cowardly, Communist, baby killer "Che."
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We seem to agree on a lot of things except your puzzling admiration for the cowardly, Communist, baby killer "Che."
No comment.
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No, it doesn't apply to everyone. Nothing applies to everyone. But in general, if someone loses a love one they want to see justice. They want that person to pay with their life. Just look at this thread. The majority here want the murderer dead. And they don't even know the victim. And I surprised to read that even in pussified Europe, the majority of the population support the death penalty.
If you lost a daughter, at son, or any love one to a murderer, a day won't go by thinking that while your little girl is dead and buried her murderer is still walking around living and breathing.
Wow! Really? What does that say about us?
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Mangoo....I'll have to respond to you later..but it sounds like you're making an argument to back up existing laws and that people should just accept that its a criminals inalienable right to commit crimes, regardless of the victims rights?
The one paragraph from your nobel guy there gave me a good idea though....surprise executions, just walk to the cell and open fire on the intended subject while he sleeps. I like that. :)
I was actually only trying to show how the issue is complicated. I gave arguments in my long post against the deterrent argument, against the retribution argument, and against the claim that the system is fucked up because the sentenced criminal has too many rights (I showed how there are so many points of exit before a person is even sentenced where the accused can get off with a lighter sentence (or no sentence at all). I am going off of memory here but I think 33 states in the U.S. implement CP and out of the modern countries in the world, only the U.S. and Japan implement CP. There is a trend throughout history for countries to move away from the death penalty and U.S. is one of the last modern countries to do away with it.
Oh and it's NOT a criminals inalienable right to commit crimes. The victims has right not to be harmed unjustly and criminals should be punished. The tricky part is deciding what punishment and why.
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No, it doesn't apply to everyone. Nothing applies to everyone. But in general, if someone loses a love one they want to see justice. They want that person to pay with their life. Just look at this thread. The majority here want the murderer dead. And they don't even know the victim. And I surprised to read that even in pussified Europe, the majority of the population support the death penalty.
If you lost a daughter, at son, or any love one to a murderer, a day won't go by thinking that while your little girl is dead and buried her murderer is still walking around living and breathing.
actuly MUCH better punishment is work camp in north korea or mother russia....it is much much bettre punishement since you dont take the life but insted you drain it out and make fella think of what they did and know the only way out is the next life when they face true justice,,
this is the best punishment,, life in prison with no possibility of parol or work camp etc WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROL and that mean that even at 70 ....no going out,, this is your new life this is what you do this is how you will ened your life,, you will breath but will be isolated from society with fellas that did what you did ,,
the only time death is justified is when SOMEOEN SUCH AS SERIOUS SERIOUS WAR CRIMINAL LIKE HITLER OR LIKE USAMA DID CONTINUOUS DAMAGE TO A COUNTRY OR TO A PEOPLE ,, OR WHEN SOMEONE CAUSED THE DEATH OF POPULTION VIA BETRAYED IN HIS COUNTRY ,, THAT KIND OF SEVERE SERVEE VERY RARE CRIMES AGAINT HUMANITY
this was very bad,, yes but it wasnt crime against humanity as a all ,, people lost loved ones,, but casey antony took her baby girl and slaped her right and left putting tape on her mouth while giving her poisiton threw her in the woods to be eaten by the rats and what is she doing now? you got that right she is getting her 2 inch french manicure nails done and getting ready for big black joe to come by and knock the day light out of her pussy hole
you cant do death penalty when it is not applied equaly ,, and it is not!,, death penaty should be only executed in THE RAREST MOST UTMOST SEVERE CRIMES WHERE A NATION SUFFERED TREMENDESLY,,and the ones who shoudl decide on the death penalty should nto be jury ...it should be a panel of 3 to 6 judges with high expeience as in 20-30 year at the least in judsging the highest cases of a nation
YOU DONT TAKE LIFE THAT GOD GAVE ,, WHEN YOU DO IT YOU SPIT IN GODS FACE,, WHEN YOU SPIT IN JEHOVAS FACE YOU PAY FOR IT LATER ON ,, THIS IS GOD YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE NOT HIS SON JESUS ,, YOU NEVER EXECUTE GODS ACTIONS FOR GOD ,, GOD IS SOLEY RESONSIBLE FOR THAT..NOT JESUS HIS SON AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT,, IT IS GOD! WHO DECIDE WHEN YOU PASS ON! AND ONLY GOD!
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Of course. It should only be reserved for those where their guilt is beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe that O.J. is a murderer, I would not want the death penalty for him. With this murderer there is not a shadow of a doubt.
Me, too. As well as do most of the people of the world. Unfortunately, these sorts of 'errors' occur in the running of a judicial system. :-\
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Wow! Really? What does that say about us?
What it says is that people want justice. They want the good rewarded and the bad punished. I consider that a good thing, a very good thing. If you allow the bad to suffer no or very little consequences for their actions what does that say about you?
I'm curious, you say the death penalty is no deterrent, prisons are just big business; tell me: what would you do to those who commit crimes (assuming to believe in laws) and murder people?
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What it says is that people want justice. They want the good rewarded and the bad punished. I consider that a good thing, a very good thing. If you allow the bad to suffer no or very little consequences for their actions what does that say about you?
I'm curious, you say the death penalty is no deterrent, prisons are just big business; tell me: what would you do to those who commit crimes (assuming to believe in laws) and murder people?
The bad will NOT be punished if they accept the lord as their savior and truly mean it , the irony is the will in fact be rewarded into the kingdom of heaven.
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What it says is that people want justice. They want the good rewarded and the bad punished. I consider that a good thing, a very good thing. If you allow the bad to suffer no or very little consequences for their actions what does that say about you?
I'm curious, you say the death penalty is no deterrent, prisons are just big business; tell me: what would you do to those who commit crimes (assuming to believe in laws) and murder people?
If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine .
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What it says is that people want justice. They want the good rewarded and the bad punished. I consider that a good thing, a very good thing. If you allow the bad to suffer no or very little consequences for their actions what does that say about you?
I'm curious, you say the death penalty is no deterrent, prisons are just big business; tell me: what would you do to those who commit crimes (assuming to believe in laws) and murder people?
Well, who doesn't? Straw-man stuff. Clumsy.
As to your second: prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Lock'em up. The fact that prisons and incarceration, and prison sentences have now become fully capitalized is now a sad, but moot point. The fact you want to exact some metaphysical morality aforethought on a website is commendable, but is, ultimately, an exercise in ego.
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If you tremble indignation at every injustice including the 1980 Mr Olympia then you are a comrade of mine .
bodybuilding related
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I agree ;D
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actuly MUCH better punishment is work camp in north korea or mother russia....it is much much bettre punishement since you dont take the life but insted you drain it out and make fella think of what they did and know the only way out is the next life when they face true justice,,
this is the best punishment,, life in prison with no possibility of parol or work camp etc WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROL and that mean that even at 70 ....no going out,, this is your new life this is what you do this is how you will ened your life,, you will breath but will be isolated from society with fellas that did what you did ,,
the only time death is justified is when SOMEOEN SUCH AS SERIOUS SERIOUS WAR CRIMINAL LIKE HITLER OR LIKE USAMA DID CONTINUOUS DAMAGE TO A COUNTRY OR TO A PEOPLE ,, OR WHEN SOMEONE CAUSED THE DEATH OF POPULTION VIA BETRAYED IN HIS COUNTRY ,, THAT KIND OF SEVERE SERVEE VERY RARE CRIMES AGAINT HUMANITY
this was very bad,, yes but it wasnt crime against humanity as a all ,, people lost loved ones,, but casey antony took her baby girl and slaped her right and left putting tape on her mouth while giving her poisiton threw her in the woods to be eaten by the rats and what is she doing now? you got that right she is getting her 2 inch french manicure nails done and getting ready for big black joe to come by and knock the day light out of her pussy hole
you cant do death penalty when it is not applied equaly ,, and it is not!,, death penaty should be only executed in THE RAREST MOST UTMOST SEVERE CRIMES WHERE A NATION SUFFERED TREMENDESLY,,and the ones who shoudl decide on the death penalty should nto be jury ...it should be a panel of 3 to 6 judges with high expeience as in 20-30 year at the least in judsging the highest cases of a nation
YOU DONT TAKE LIFE THAT GOD GAVE ,, WHEN YOU DO IT YOU SPIT IN GODS FACE,, WHEN YOU SPIT IN JEHOVAS FACE YOU PAY FOR IT LATER ON ,, THIS IS GOD YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE NOT HIS SON JESUS ,, YOU NEVER EXECUTE GODS ACTIONS FOR GOD ,, GOD IS SOLEY RESONSIBLE FOR THAT..NOT JESUS HIS SON AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT,, IT IS GOD! WHO DECIDE WHEN YOU PASS ON! AND ONLY GOD!
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I would not be oppose to the work camp idea.
And if the death penalty is reserve only for the mass murderer, the war criminal, then this begs the question: How many people does someone have to kill before it merits the death penalty. What is the cut off number? Israel does not believe in the death penalty but made one, and only one, exception in it's history by executing Adolf Eichman. It's not sure how many he killed with his own hands but he is certainly responsible for the death camps in Poland and the 400,000+ Hungarians. So what is the magic number? Maybe five hundred? If you kill five hundred people you pay with your life but if you are the unfortunate first 499 victims it's still bad, but just not as bad.
No laws, absolutely no laws, are enforced equally. I read a study that if you drive a red Corvette you are several times more likely to get a speeding ticket than any other sports car and even Vettes of a different color. If you are poor you are more likely to get convicted of any crime. Any crime. Does that mean that because no laws are equally enforced we should get rid of all laws? Is it better to spare ALL the lives of murderers because we don't execute SOME of them. It's just like when people make the argument that there are disproportionately more Blacks in prison than Whites. Does that mean we should let some Black criminals go free to even up the score or try to convict more White criminals?
The death penalty is the only law mentioned and condoned in the first five books in the Bible, The Torah. The only law.
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Well, who doesn't? Straw-man stuff. Clumsy.
As to your second: prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Lock'em up. The fact that prisons and incarceration, and prison sentences have now become fully capitalized is now a sad, but moot point. The fact you want to exact some metaphysical morality aforethought on a website is commendable, but is, ultimately, an exercise in ego.
The want for justice is "Straw-man stuff. Clumsy."?
You still want criminals punished. Is that just an exercise in ego?
I really don't understand the point you are trying to make and would really like to understand as even though we disagree on a lot of issues I respect you and consider you a good person.
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The death penalty is the only law mentioned and condoned in the first five books in the Bible, The Torah. The only law.
You're probably better off if you don't cite the Bible for your case law, Counselor. ;)
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You're probably better off if you don't cite the Bible for your case law, Counselor. ;)
I did because gh15 made reference to Biblical law.
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The want for justice is "Straw-man stuff. Clumsy."?
You still want criminals punished. Is that just an exercise in ego?
I really don't understand the point you are trying to make and would really like to understand as even though we disagree on a lot of issues I respect you and consider you a good person.
Nope. Just your posts. I totally know you're way more intelligent than the droppings you're leaving here, so I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Pay's not so good, but it can be fun of an occasion.
Thanks for the sentiment, and back at you, but I'm just as corrupt as the rest of the rabble. Just trying, trying, to keep some kind of perspective.
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I did because gh15 made reference to Biblical law.
I missed that. Sorry! However, I think my thoughts re: GH are well known. ;D
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The majority here want the murderer dead.
Which, of course, doesn't mean anything. We always feel indignation at senseless violence, especially when the end result is death. But we don't just act on that indignation and we don't seek revenge by setting out to kill the killers.
We, as a society, have given the State the power to sentence someone to death. But only under a set of prescribed rules and only for certain crimes. Not under the guidance of random polling. The will of the majority has no bearing -- and rightfully so -- in the criminal justice system. After all, we want justice and not lynch mobs.
If you really believe that the death penalty brings closure to the victims, then I have a question for you: should the death penalty not be used if the victims of the crime (or the surviving family members) are opposed to the death penalty and don't think it will provide them closure? After all, if the point of the death penalty is, as you claim, closure for the victims, then their views on this matter should carry great weight.
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The death penalty is the only law mentioned and condoned in the first five books in the Bible, The Torah. The only law.
It sure is...
Gathering sticks on a Sabbath day? The sentence is death. (Numbers 15:32-36)
Offering "strange fire" to the Lord? The sentence is death. (Numbers 3:4)
Touching "holy things?" The sentence is death. (Numbers 4:15-20)
Sickness? The sentence is death. (Number 5:1-4)
Need I go on?
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I would not be oppose to the work camp idea.
And if the death penalty is reserve only for the mass murderer, the war criminal, then this begs the question: How many people does someone have to kill before it merits the death penalty. What is the cut off number? Israel does not believe in the death penalty but made one, and only one, exception in it's history by executing Adolf Eichman. It's not sure how many he killed with his own hands but he is certainly responsible for the death camps in Poland and the 400,000+ Hungarians. So what is the magic number? Maybe five hundred? If you kill five hundred people you pay with your life but if you are the unfortunate first 499 victims it's still bad, but just not as bad.
No laws, absolutely no laws, are enforced equally. I read a study that if you drive a red Corvette you are several times more likely to get a speeding ticket than any other sports car and even Vettes of a different color. If you are poor you are more likely to get convicted of any crime. Any crime. Does that mean that because no laws are equally enforced we should get rid of all laws? Is it better to spare ALL the lives of murderers because we don't execute SOME of them. It's just like when people make the argument that there are disproportionately more Blacks in prison than Whites. Does that mean we should let some Black criminals go free to even up the score or try to convict more White criminals?
The death penalty is the only law mentioned and condoned in the first five books in the Bible, The Torah. The only law.
there is no magic number,, what there is a defintiion,, the difnisition is CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY sub definition ...crimed of high deamener which resulted in a total devostating and destruction of people as one can be relegion can be race can be country or state
im not a lawyer to make a law this way but there is a big diff between a ted bundy ....and an usama bin laden ,, a big diff ,,huge diff,, they both murdered but one HURT A COUNTRY TO ITS CORE,,basicaly devostated economy of a good advanced country and sent it back years ...remember dow jons was 13000 back in 1999.... usama sent americana back into no where land when it come to economy ,, and ofcourse murdered thousands upon thousands of people....ted bundy was just not right in the head...psycopath ...big diff ,, ted bundy shoud have been just next to charles manson ,, and this fella shou be there too....and scot peterson too,, and casey antony too ,, all together in there..
death penatly shoudo be reserved to HIGHEST CRIMES of the highest demnors and what this fella did was big crime but not highest,,a timoty mcvey.....this is a death penalty worthy of consideration ,, a mass psycopathic animal such as dr mangale...who took families and isolated them ....and pointed the girls and the babys to go into oven....and the strong brother to go into work ....THATS = death penalty worthy,,when you play god and by god i mean JOHOVA THE GOD of the jew people... is when you deserve to die! and those cases are rare along history
if life in prison was WITH OUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROL and followed on that....then there would be no death panetlys,, the problem is....in americana you put someone in prison for life with no possibility of parol in 2011 ....in 2016 he is already writing books making money and about to go free due to kidny problems... this! is the problems with society that see freedom as top priority
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I got a headache just by looking at that wall of malformed text. Learn how to write please?
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I got a headache just by looking at that wall of malformed text. Learn how to write please?
you can kiss my left ball retard,,if you didnt understand every little thing i say you woudnt respond you woudl just ignore : ) but you are attention whore...so you respond
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Wow, what a comeback... Your acerbic wit has crushed me. I lay defeated in the field of text battle. ::)
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good then we can keep ignore eachother,, lol
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Which, of course, doesn't mean anything. We always feel indignation at senseless violence, especially when the end result is death. But we don't just act on that indignation and we don't seek revenge by setting out to kill the killers.
We, as a society, have given the State the power to sentence someone to death. But only under a set of prescribed rules and only for certain crimes. Not under the guidance of random polling. The will of the majority has no bearing -- and rightfully so -- in the criminal justice system. After all, we want justice and not lynch mobs.
If you really believe that the death penalty brings closure to the victims, then I have a question for you: should the death penalty not be used if the victims of the crime (or the surviving family members) are opposed to the death penalty and don't think it will provide them closure? After all, if the point of the death penalty is, as you claim, closure for the victims, then their views on this matter should carry great weight.
When I said the majority want the murderer dead you really thought that implied that we wanted to round out a lynch mob and string him up ourselves.
Closure for the victims was just ONE of the reasons I outlined in my previous post. And not the most important one which is why it was listed last. But you make a fair challenge. As I understand it, you are saying that if if someone is proven guilty of murder beyond a shadow of a doubt, and the survivors of the victims, immediately family members, are adamantly AGAINST the death penalty, can they stipulate life in prison for the murderer? Yes, I will grant that right if you will accept also that if a family supports the death penalty they must execute the murderer within six months (prefer 3 months) after being found guilty.
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When I said the majority want the murderer dead you really thought that implied that we wanted to round out a lynch mob and string him up ourselves.
Closure for the victims was just ONE of the reasons I outlined in my previous post. And not the most important one which is why it was listed last. But you make a fair challenge. As I understand it, you are saying that if if someone is proven guilty of murder beyond a shadow of a doubt, and the survivors of the victims, immediately family members, are adamantly AGAINST the death penalty, can they stipulate life in prison for the murderer? Yes, I will grant that right if you will accept also that if a family supports the death penalty they must execute the murderer within six months (prefer 3 months) after being found guilty.
Nothing like adding a new level of arbitrariness to an already-questionable judicial system. Whee!
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Nope. Just your posts. I totally know you're way more intelligent than the droppings you're leaving here, so I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Pay's not so good, but it can be fun of an occasion.
Thanks for the sentiment, and back at you, but I'm just as corrupt as the rest of the rabble. Just trying, trying, to keep some kind of perspective.
I don't know why you try to diminish my arguments by simply calling them names rather than address them directly. You seem to have a problem with the notion of punishment and retribution. That somehow wanting someone to pay for their crimes lessens or diminishes the human being. I think it is the opposite. The less harsh the punishment the less egregious you think the crime was. You think all murderers should live. They showed be allowed to have free room and board, free medical, watch TV and movies, read books, have recreational activities (I just saw on PBS a power lifting and boxing club in prison), get married and have sex (Menendez brothers) and a host of other privileges. I'm not saying prison is a picnic but an American prison is no North Korean, Russian of Thai prison.
You want a murderer to still live a relatively comfortable life at the tax payer's expense. I want them dead. I don't see why that makes you better than me.
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you can kiss my left ball retard,,if you didnt understand every little thing i say you woudnt respond you woudl just ignore : ) but you are attention whore...so you respond
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Fortunately, your pupils have no problems understanding your post. You bring up a good point in that the problem with American prisons is how we enforce our laws. How our prison system works. I never thought about it but I like the deal of work camps. Making them pay for their deeds here on earth where their crimes was committed. David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, and as far as I know the only truly repentant murderer, authorize his lawyer who wanted to write his biography, or anybody else, that they have his full permission to do so and he will cooperate 100% if, and only if, the profits went to the victim's family. He did not want anybody else to profit from his crimes and sins. I'm sure we can always find something for a murderer to do that will be of benefit for his victims family.
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Wow, what a comeback... Your acerbic wit has crushed me. I lay defeated in the field of text battle. ::)
Avxo is a newb. He/She/It (shit) can't possibly know who you are... even a gimmick wouldn't call you out on your *unique* way of communicating to us.
One day he will be PM'ing you and begging for advice just like the rest of us. Ha ha!
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I don't know why you try to diminish my arguments by simply calling them names rather than address them directly. You seem to have a problem with the notion of punishment and retribution. That somehow wanting someone to pay for their crimes lessens or diminishes the human being. I think it is the opposite. The less harsh the punishment the less egregious you think the crime was. You think all murderers should live. They showed be allowed to have free room and board, free medical, watch TV and movies, read books, have recreational activities (I just saw on PBS a power lifting and boxing club in prison), get married and have sex (Menendez brothers) and a host of other privileges. I'm not saying prison is a picnic but an American prison is no North Korean, Russian of Thai prison.
You want a murderer to still live a relatively comfortable life at the tax payer's expense. I want them dead. I don't see why that makes you better than me.
Wow! No where have I even intimated such nonsense, let alone posted it. Are you ok? Seriously. Do you just project these fantasies, are you drinking, or are you just being disingenuously provocative a la Rush Limbaugh?
/ and 'I don't see why that makes you better than me.' Argue the issue(s) not some high school histrionic.
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Nothing like adding a new level of arbitrariness to an already-questionable judicial system. Whee!
Come on, Chimps. YOu are taking this out of context. I was responding to a previous post where I was given a very unlikely hypothetical. Did you read that person's post?
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When I said the majority want the murderer dead you really thought that implied that we wanted to round out a lynch mob and string him up ourselves.
No, but I thought it prudent to check.
Closure for the victims was just ONE of the reasons I outlined in my previous post. And not the most important one which is why it was listed last. But you make a fair challenge. As I understand it, you are saying that if if someone is proven guilty of murder beyond a shadow of a doubt, and the survivors of the victims, immediately family members, are adamantly AGAINST the death penalty, can they stipulate life in prison for the murderer? Yes, I will grant that right if you will accept also that if a family supports the death penalty they must execute the murderer within six months (prefer 3 months) after being found guilty.
No, I was asking if you would agree to that, given that you had listed the closure provided to the victims with an execution. I personally don't think that the punishments meted out by the justice system should be left to the victims. They should be meted out by juries or a Judge, in accordance with the law. Victims are already granted a chance to speak before sentencing, and if they chose to advocate on behalf of the person(s) convicted at that time, then that is their prerogative.
As to your comment about a speedy 6 month time limit on an execution, I think that you need to be realistic: in every State with a death penalty statute, a death penalty verdict means an automatic appeal. It's exceedingly unlikely that even one appeal could be briefed and heard in 3 months, given the current workload of the Courts. I agree that if we do have death penalty verdicts, they need to be executed swiftly, so that we don't end up in the situation we're in now, where someone is on death row for 40 years and dies of natural causes. But "hard" time limits are a bad idea. I would support something along the lines of "within 6 months after appeals have been exhausted."
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Wow! No where have I even intimated such nonsense, let alone posted it. Are you ok? Seriously. Do you just project these fantasies, are you drinking, or are you just being disingenuously provocative a la Rush Limbaugh?
/ and 'I don't see why that makes you better than me.' Argue the issue(s) not some high school histrionic.
OK, I tell you what. Quit playing games and simply state plainly your views on the death penalty, crimes and the role of punishment. What would you do with this particular murderer and why? And would it be different in how you treat all murderers that are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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No, I was asking if you would agree to that, given that you had listed the closure provided to the victims with an execution. I personally don't think that the punishments meted out by the justice system should be left to the victims. They should be meted out by juries or a Judge, in accordance with the law. Victims are already granted a chance to speak before sentencing, and if they chose to advocate on behalf of the person(s) convicted at that time, then that is their prerogative.
As to your comment about a speedy 6 month time limit on an execution, I think that you need to be realistic: in every State with a death penalty statute, a death penalty verdict means an automatic appeal. It's exceedingly unlikely that even one appeal could be briefed and heard in 3 months, given the current workload of the Courts. I agree that if we do have death penalty verdicts, they need to be executed swiftly, so that we don't end up in the situation we're in now, where someone is on death row for 40 years and dies of natural causes. But "hard" time limits are a bad idea. I would support something along the lines of "within 6 months after appeals have been exhausted."
My friend, you gave me a hypothetical so I responded with another hypothetical. In that hypothetical there are no automatic appeals and more endless appeals.
Of course I don't think a victim should determine the fate of the criminal. And never did I imply that. I support the death penalty only in cases where there guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe O.J. was guilty as sin but would not give him the death penalty. This monster masquerading as a human being is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. No need to wait two weeks.
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My friend, you gave me a hypothetical so I responded with another hypothetical. In that hypothetical there are no automatic appeals and more endless appeals.
Of course I don't think a victim should determine the fate of the criminal. And never did I imply that. I support the death penalty only in cases where there guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe O.J. was guilty as sin but would not give him the death penalty. This monster masquerading as a human being is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. No need to wait two weeks.
That's all fine. I was just pointing that the 3/6 months thing could be problematic. I think that for the most part, we're on the same page.
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That's all fine. I was just pointing that the 3/6 months thing could be problematic. I think that for the most part, we're on the same page.
So you're in with Coach, Max_Rep and myself when we bust him out of jail and string him up?
Sweet.
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So you're in with Coach, Max_Rep and myself when we bust him out of jail and string him up?
Sweet.
Sounds like too much work. I'll just order a pizza and watch you guys on TV.
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actuly MUCH better punishment is work camp in north korea or mother russia....it is much much bettre punishement since you dont take the life but insted you drain it out and make fella think of what they did and know the only way out is the next life when they face true justice,,
this is the best punishment,, life in prison with no possibility of parol or work camp etc WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROL and that mean that even at 70 ....no going out,, this is your new life this is what you do this is how you will ened your life,, you will breath but will be isolated from society with fellas that did what you did ,,
the only time death is justified is when SOMEOEN SUCH AS SERIOUS SERIOUS WAR CRIMINAL LIKE HITLER OR LIKE USAMA DID CONTINUOUS DAMAGE TO A COUNTRY OR TO A PEOPLE ,, OR WHEN SOMEONE CAUSED THE DEATH OF POPULTION VIA BETRAYED IN HIS COUNTRY ,, THAT KIND OF SEVERE SERVEE VERY RARE CRIMES AGAINT HUMANITY
this was very bad,, yes but it wasnt crime against humanity as a all ,, people lost loved ones,, but casey antony took her baby girl and slaped her right and left putting tape on her mouth while giving her poisiton threw her in the woods to be eaten by the rats and what is she doing now? you got that right she is getting her 2 inch french manicure nails done and getting ready for big black joe to come by and knock the day light out of her pussy hole
you cant do death penalty when it is not applied equaly ,, and it is not!,, death penaty should be only executed in THE RAREST MOST UTMOST SEVERE CRIMES WHERE A NATION SUFFERED TREMENDESLY,,and the ones who shoudl decide on the death penalty should nto be jury ...it should be a panel of 3 to 6 judges with high expeience as in 20-30 year at the least in judsging the highest cases of a nation
YOU DONT TAKE LIFE THAT GOD GAVE ,, WHEN YOU DO IT YOU SPIT IN GODS FACE,, WHEN YOU SPIT IN JEHOVAS FACE YOU PAY FOR IT LATER ON ,, THIS IS GOD YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE NOT HIS SON JESUS ,, YOU NEVER EXECUTE GODS ACTIONS FOR GOD ,, GOD IS SOLEY RESONSIBLE FOR THAT..NOT JESUS HIS SON AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT,, IT IS GOD! WHO DECIDE WHEN YOU PASS ON! AND ONLY GOD!
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work camp in nk is much worse than death. I'm gonn amake a prediction that no one will remember, nk will go down soon, there will be a huge cover up by china, when the cover fails the biggest humanitarian disaster ever will come to light, people will forget the holocaust ever happened
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and the uncontrolled economic growth plus this discovery will lead to a huge depression in china, chinese corruption will be to blame and china will be a democratic republic as a result when it climbs out of depression with the help of the US and its investments in africa
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Sounds like too much work. I'll just order a pizza and watch you guys on TV.
Hmmmmm..., pizza. When you put it that way I guess societal justice can wait.
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Execute him immediately after he is found guilty .
That's actually what a lot of these people want, they want to get killed by the police on the spot, or would love to get executed right away.
The only thing he doesn't want is to live the rest of his life in jail thinking about what he did.
Calling life in prison "the good life", only in america.....
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Indertiminate Shoe (SHU) term at Corcoran....
anything but "pleasant"
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Indertiminate Shoe (SHU) term at Corcoran....
anything but "pleasant"
Life in prison or death?
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So you deal in ten dollar words. Good for you. I deal in fists and hundred dollar bills, little man.
What's your exact location???
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What's your exact location???
Just ignore this guy. He is just a troll and has quickly established himself as the biggest tool on this board. EVERYBODY hates this guy and is one of the few who should be banned. Contributes nothing to the board except trouble. Very, very weird and creep dude. Definitely has some serious issues.
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Just ignore this guy. He is just a troll and has quickly established himself as the biggest tool on this board. EVERYBODY hates this guy and is one of the few who should be banned. Contributes nothing to the board except trouble. Very, very weird and creep dude. Definitely has some serious issues.
Thanks for the advice Pellius,
I'm just having a little fun with him. -Not taking him seriously....until he reveals his exact location. LOL!
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Thanks for the advice Pellius,
I'm just having a little fun with him. -Not taking him seriously....until he reveals his exact location. LOL!
He even isn't worth playing around with like suckymuscle. He just seems "off" in a very bad way. Sucky is also "off" but in a fun way.
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He even isn't worth playing around with like suckymuscle. He just seems "off" in a very bad way. Sucky is also "off" but in a fun way.
Folks who know me well think I'm a little "off" too....but, in a fun way, not a bad way. LOL!