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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The_Hammer on January 02, 2012, 02:34:12 AM
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At his peak Mike was a better bodybuilder than Nasser at his peak.
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Francois was underestimated for sure..
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good,,, but never better than nasser
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Lifted heavy. His physique showed it as he was dense top to bottom.
Also a devote Catholic and family man.
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good,,, but never better than nasser
I diasgree. Looked good from the front and BACK.
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would never beat nasser on stage,,,, i dont recall him making many top 6 finishes at the olympia either?
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Lifted heavy. His physique showed it as he was dense top to bottom.
Also a devote Catholic and family man.
What does that ??? last sentence contribute..?
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mike at his best at 240 pounds and nasser at one of his best shapes at 285 pounds!!..
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What does that ??? last sentence contribute..?
Never sold soiled underwear over the internet.
Never did gay for pay.
Doesn't belong to generation nothingness.
Well spoken and educated man.
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*Notice when asked about his diet he doesn't push some bullshit supplement, but rather gives good solid info.*
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What does that ??? last sentence contribute..?
Isn't the catholic church full of pedophiles? Why should anyone still be a fucking catholic? ???
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Isn't the catholic church full of pedophiles? Why should anyone still be a fucking catholic? ???
There are pedophile Jews, Muslims, Hindu, ect
Some Catholic priest got caught, but that doesn't mean all Catholic's are pedophiles.
That's like saying all Muslims are terrorist.
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There are pedophile Jews, Muslims, Hindu, ect
Some Catholic priest got caught, but that doesn't mean all Catholic's are pedophiles.
That's like saying all Muslims are terrorist.
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At his peak Mike was a better bodybuilder than Nasser at his peak.
Too bad Mikes peak lasted for only one show lol
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bodybuilder of peace
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TChHObTOu1I/AAAAAAAADE0/9pwP3yuhpVE/s1600/mikefran%C3%A7ois02.jpg)
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bodybuilder of peace
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TChHObTOu1I/AAAAAAAADE0/9pwP3yuhpVE/s1600/mikefran%C3%A7ois02.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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nasser is better by far. Francois mid section is vacant.
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What does that ??? last sentence contribute..?
It is an implication that single and agnostic men are pure scum
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sadly his whole career was a peak :)
one hit wonder
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nasser is better by far. Francois mid section is vacant.
I disagree.
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I disagree.
why you keep posting pics of mike alone!!!.. not a single pic. you posted of him beside nasser!..
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Mike at his peak was 1995 Arnold.
Nasser at his peak was 1997 Olympia.
Mike had no weak points IMO.
Nasser had a weak back IMO.
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Isn't the catholic church full of pedophiles? Why should anyone still be a fucking catholic? ???
"Family man" can be ok, I buy that.
But I think catholics should be very quiet humble for a while....
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What does that ??? last sentence contribute..?
CATHOLIC>protestant
At least it's true as far as females are concerned 8)
I used to see Francois on a fairly regular basis back in the mid-90s (when he was at his peak) you see he and I trained at the World Gym in Columbus, Ohio at the time, which just happens to be his and my hometown. Westisde Barbell also calls Columbus, Ohio home FACT
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Who's the clown in the middle....? ???
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good,,, but never better than nasser
Better back than Nasser, better quads, arms, chest, and then the intangibles---better character. Francois was a class act. He deserve the win in 95 over Flex.
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Better back than Nasser, better quads, arms, chest, and then the intangibles---better character. Francois was a class act. He deserve the win in 95 over Flex.
mike won his 1st 3 shows he entered as new pro,,guy had strong looking build with thick bodyparts.
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One thing is for sure: Mike would DESTROY Nasser in a powerlifting meet. Squats, Bench Press, and Deadlifts. Total domination in favor of Mike
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One thing is for sure: Mike would DESTROY Nasser in a powerlifting meet. Squats, Bench Press, and Deadlifts. Total domination in favor of Mike
Never saw him bench, but I did see him squat and dead a few times, impressive to say the least
When he trained he was very quiet, and also very serious
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Never saw him bench, but I did see him squat and dead a few times, impressive to say the least
When he trained he was very quiet, and also very serious
i believe he could bench 550
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you got to be kiding me lol mike francois was very good but beautiful man with glases was the top of the ladder very few bodydbuiol are in the top of the lader ,, very very few
gh15 approved
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Nasser was better. Pre-oil he was better anyways.
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Sadly we never saw mike francoiis' best
Great torso and limbs, slightly blocky, but carried a lot of mass on his frame, still had a taper
He wouldve probably improved and been a regular top 6, maybe top 3 at mr o
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Who's the clown in the middle....? ???
the fragile black man w/ pretty lines
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the fragile black man w/ pretty lines
Yep, 3 yrs after breaking his neck (in that pic), and winning the 97 Arnold (and MM award) handedly...
Francois who was wide fvck that yr was a few places back.
Always been impressed by Mike---had he not gotten sick, I think he could have been Mr O, or have pushed Ronnie---and he and Ronnie trained hard and heavy---Ronnie was loud and boisterous, Mike solemn and silent...both had that thick brick look to them that only hard and heavy weights brings.
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Yep, 3 yrs after breaking his neck (in that pic), and winning the 97 Arnold (and MM award) handedly...
Francois who was wide fvck that yr was a few places back.
Always been impressed by Mike---had he not gotten sick, I think he could have been Mr O, or have pushed Ronnie---and he and Ronnie trained hard and heavy---Ronnie was loud and boisterous, Mike solemn and silent...both had that thick brick look to them that only hard and heavy weights brings.
Yup. Mike and Ronnie were hard workers and it did show. If you are powerful, you'll most likely look powerful.
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when mike reached his peak you could have already seen the price for it in his purple face
nasser was better IMO
don t belive it? look at the pics!
blind? listn to their contest records
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bodybuilder of peace
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TChHObTOu1I/AAAAAAAADE0/9pwP3yuhpVE/s1600/mikefran%C3%A7ois02.jpg)
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when mike reached his peak you could have already seen the price for it in his purple face
nasser was better IMO
don t belive it? look at the pics!
blind? listn to their contest records
nasser was better imo. but francois would mop the floor with everyone right now.
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the fragile black man w/ pretty lines
....who has beaten BOTH El Sonbaty and Francois (except for 1995, when he upset Wheeler for the ASC title) multiple times.
In fact, two of Wheeler's ASC wins have come at El Sonbaty's expense.
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There are pedophile Jews, Muslims, Hindu, ect
Some Catholic priest got caught, but that doesn't mean all Catholic's are pedophiles.
That's like saying all Muslims are terrorist.
All Muslims are terrorists
I guarantee you that Shareef could walk into my kitchen, go through my cupboards and come out with a bomb in 20 minutes ;D
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All Muslims are terrorists
I guarantee you that Shareef could walk into my kitchen, go through my cupboards and come out with a bomb in 20 minutes ;D
Yep, and you'd say: "That's some bomb ass cake you baked!"
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when mike reached his peak you could have already seen the price for it in his purple face
nasser was better IMO
don t belive it? look at the pics!
blind? listn to their contest records
Shhh. Do you smell that?
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....who has beaten BOTH El Sonbaty and Francois (except for 1995, when he upset Wheeler for the ASC title) multiple times.
In fact, two of Wheeler's ASC wins have come at El Sonbaty's expense.
did i say mike or nasser were ever better than flex? lol ... nasser and mike both dwarfed wheeler but because of his tiny fucking bones and great shape he looked amazing. wheeler was 220 and beating nasser at 280. i know this.
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All Muslims are terrorists
I guarantee you that Shareef could walk into my kitchen, go through my cupboards and come out with a bomb in 20 minutes ;D
lol :D
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Yep, and you'd say: "That's some bomb ass cake you baked!"
LOL ;D
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Who's the clown in the middle....? ???
I think he was the "winner" :)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450447;image)
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mike at his best at 240 pounds and nasser at one of his best shapes at 285 pounds!!..
Weight has little to do with anything. Nasser weighed at least 70-75lbs more than Shawn Ray yet Shawn beat him easily how many times? You guys need to quit getting caught up with how much someone weighs.
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Although mike was good, he'd be considered lucky to do Nasser's paint job backstage
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Although mike was good, he'd be considered lucky to do Nasser's paint job backstage
beautiful god of hormones
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Interviewed Mike a wack of times. Friendly and very down-to-earth.
If he hadn't gotten sick, he would likely have won many more pro shows and possibly taken an O or two.
Better overall than Nasser. I hung with both men (worked out with Nasser once at Monster Gym in Toronto) and can say without doubt that Francois was MUCH more impressive. The girth and thickness of his wheels was historic.
I actually think Mike having to leave bodybuilding was the best thing for him, in the long run. He was very serious about his competing but seemed to suffer a great deal because of the pressures he put upon himself. I won't go further into detail.
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i like mike f, but he looked a bit blocky , i cant put my finger on it,,, as if his legs were too short,, like a better version on mike mataratzo if you get my drift
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WELL SAID, Fortress!
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beautiful god of hormones
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Training legs today, u?
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Training legs today, u?
chest and shoulders in 1 hr. just got called gotta work the desk tonight and tomorro night so gotta go get it done early
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chest and shoulders in 1 hr. just got called gotta work the desk tonight and tomorro night so gotta go get it done early
Well we will see you up tonight!!!
Tell your bro to pick up his kigs or im gonna start shooting them left and right haha
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mike vs. nasser hard to say,who would have been better,since mikes career was cut short,one thing is mike had the back needed to win the o.but nasser was beating him a lot toward the end of mikes short career.he did have one of the best physiques durung the most competitive days in the sport.he is one of the guys that would have made the competitions even more interesting if he had stayed healthy,just for the fact that with his back,huge quads and overall thickness he could have given dorian and ronnie a run for the money.makes me thinkl of how back in the day if rory and mendenhall would have got pro- cards it may have changed the landscape of the olympia in the 80s,at least had changed the top five.
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Well we will see you up tonight!!!
Tell your bro to pick up his kigs or im gonna start shooting them left and right haha
just give the kigs to me bro and ill make sure he gets em... :D
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just give the kigs to me bro and ill make sure he gets em... :D
Will do...
wait a minute..
You sneaky lil fcking turkey you!
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Lifted heavy. His physique showed it as he was dense top to bottom.
Also a devote Catholic and family man.
so thats why he never won. He wouldnt put out for the schmoes.
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Will do...
wait a minute..
You sneaky lil fcking turkey you!
lol
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thats from the yr he turned pro,,imagine walking out on stage an amatuer looking like that..
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Never sold soiled underwear over the internet.
Never did gay for pay.
Doesn't belong to generation nothingness.
Well spoken and educated man.
*Notice when asked about his diet he doesn't push some bullshit supplement, but rather gives good solid info.*
This^^^
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"Mike Francois has NO WEAK POINTS"-Arnold Schwarzenegger
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mike was harder but nasser had better abs
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Mike was a very good BB but Nasser was a great BB
Mike was gifted teh NOC 94 over Nasser BIG TIME gift
Mike knew Nasser was superior- which is why he begged Nasser to move to Ohio to be his training partner so Mike could learn (sponge off for free) all of Nasser's training and drug knowledge
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i like mike f, but he looked a bit blocky , i cant put my finger on it,,, as if his legs were too short,, like a better version on mike mataratzo if you get my drift
His torso was too long.
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His torso was too long.
Guys with long torso's all suffer the shortfall of shitty backs such as Nasser El Sonbaty and Mike Matarazzo.
However, Francois had an incredible back. He overcame his structural flaws to become what Arnold Schwarzenegger called "NO WEAK POINTS".
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=269366.0;attach=308590;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450432;image)
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Sadly we never saw mike francoiis' best
Great torso and limbs, slightly blocky, but carried a lot of mass on his frame, still had a taper
He wouldve probably improved and been a regular top 6, maybe top 3 at mr o
I agree with all of the above. But this contest cannot be decided on what could have been. Nasser was tier 1. Mike was tier 2. :P
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Nasser comes across as the type of guy who would religiously play darts with an old poster of Dorian in Daisy Dukes every morning for an hour after finishing breakfast.
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Mike knew Nasser was superior- which is why he begged Nasser to move to Ohio to be his training partner so Mike could learn (sponge off for free) all of Nasser's training and drug knowledge
Nasser could have learned how to train correctly from Mike. Nasser's training was a joke
Ronnie, Mike, and Kevin's training sessions made Nasser's look like a sick joke
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Mike would of been better than Nasser with a few more years of abuse but he got sick so you cant compare as the best of Mike was yet to come.
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something a lot of you are ignoring is that mike as his best shape was 240 pounds.. beside an on nasser he always looked small and nasser had him beat in all poses except the 2 rear..
to say that "if" he reached his limit is like saying "if" nasser had a better back so it's pointless..
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At his peak Mike was a better bodybuilder than Nasser at his peak.
Agreed!
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something a lot of you are ignoring is that mike as his best shape was 240 pounds.. beside an on nasser he always looked small and nasser had him beat in all poses except the 2 rear..
to say that "if" he reached his limit is like saying "if" nasser had a better back so it's pointless..
No its not - Mike retired before he reached his full potential , Nasser had no back after reaching his full potential.
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Mike was a complete bodybuilder. Nasser was half a bodybuilder.
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No its not - Mike retired before he reached his full potential , Nasser had no back after reaching his full potential.
it's all guessing.. why are you so sure what he already presented was not his full potential??.. because it was so early in his career??.. so what?.. a lot of top pros. presented their very best very early,.. flex wheeler, levrone, dillet and many more..
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lol one of the most retarded threads created.
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision), but regardless that was BEFORE Nasser's mutation from 94 to 95 which started getting him into the top 3 at the Mr. O. Once Nasser improved to 95, Francois was in a separate lower league.
A more fair comparison therefore, is who was better between Mike Francois at his best and Nasser BEFORE his best ;)
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lol one of the most retarded threads created.
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision), but regardless that was BEFORE Nasser's mutation from 94 to 95 which started getting him into the top 3 at the Mr. O. Once Nasser improved to 95, Francois was in a separate lower league.
A more fair comparison therefore, is who was better between Mike Francois at his best and Nasser BEFORE his best ;)
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Thanks for sharing Sherief! Funny thing is the Francois nuthuggers will say "yeah but Francois has no weak points, his back is not weak" failing to acknowledge that the rest of Nasser is so far ahead of Francois that that it more more than compensates the back "weakness"
Using their logic as an example one can argue that an NPC competitor at an open show may be a better bodybuilder than a pro if that NPC competitor has "no weak bodyparts" while the pro might have lagging calves and delts for example, failing to acknowledge that the rest of the pro's physique far more than overcompensates over the NPC competitor's.
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Thanks for sharing Sherief! Funny thing is the Francois nuthuggers will say "yeah but Francois has no weak points, his back is not weak" failing to acknowledge that the rest of Nasser is so far ahead of Francois that that it more more than compensates the back "weakness"
Using their logic as an example one can argue that an NPC competitor at an open show may be a better bodybuilder than a pro if that NPC competitor has "no weak bodyparts" while the pro might have lagging calves and delts for example, failing to acknowledge that the rest of the pro's physique far more than overcompensates over the NPC competitor's.
actually i dont think there are francois "nuthuggers".. he was a great bb and all but didnt achieve much to have nuthuggers/big fan base.. calling them nasser's haters is more proper here i think!!..
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Francois always reminded me of Dorian. He trained hard and heavy, was complete from head to toe, lived in Columbus away from all the nonsense and bullshit and just put the work in and got it done.
He was better than Nasser physiquewise and a million times better characterwise.
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(http://www.geocities.ws/lorenzo_castiglioni/history/photos/francois.jpg)
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very different structures, Nasser looks superior standing relaxed and in the fdb his abs and serratus look sharper with better separation between bi's and tri's too. Fls about equal
Francois shows how the side chest is done and his back shots, especially the bdb destroy Nasser.
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I think Bob and Sherif need to take there rose coloured glasses of nasser off here and look at the bigger picture - you guys are blinded with your admiration of Nasser that you can not give fair Critiques.
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very different structures, Nasser looks superior standing relaxed and in the fdb his abs and serratus look sharper with better separation between bi's and tri's too. Fls about equal
Francois shows how the side chest is done and his back shots, especially the bdb destroy Nasser.
You seriously believe Francois has a better side chest here? Again, keep in mind this is also BEFORE Nasser's mutation and movement from second to first tier rankings from 94 to 95.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450693;image)
Yes, Francois has a better back but Nasser more than overcompensates by destroying Francois in all other bodyparts and angles. Even in the back shots Nasser's arms and legs are beating Francois'.
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I think Bob and Sherif need to take there rose coloured glasses of nasser off here and look at the bigger picture - you guys are blinded with your admiration of Nasser that you can not give fair Critiques.
Okay explain your "bigger picture" view here?
You have photos of the Nasser and Francois together when Nasser is not even close to his best (94). Then you also lots of shows from 95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser. What's left to discuss "big picture?" ::)
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Okay explain your "bigger picture" view here?
You have photos of the Nasser and Francois together when Nasser is not even close to his best (94). Then you also lots of shows from 95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser. What's left to discuss "big picture?" ::)
Do you do any research before you type? or do you just make stupid statements?
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Do you do any research before you type? or do you just make stupid statements?
OK let's hear the "bigger picture" from you then?
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OK let's hear the "bigger picture" from you then?
Who said anything about the bigger picture? and do you always answer a question with a question?
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Who said anything about the bigger picture? and do you always answer a question with a question?
You posted that my comment was "stupid" and apparently can not back your accusation up ;)
My post was in response to Willgrant suggesting that Francois is better "in the bigger picture" whatever that means lol, and your reply critiqued mine, so naturally I asked you what this "bigger picture" means - but perhaps Willgrant would be better at trying to address it since those are his words.
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You seriously believe Francois has a better side chest here? Again, keep in mind this is also BEFORE Nasser's mutation and movement from second to first tier rankings from 94 to 95.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450693;image)
Yes, Francois has a better back but Nasser more than overcompensates by destroying Francois in all other bodyparts and angles. Even in the back shots Nasser's arms and legs are beating Francois'.
your right some of theses shots nasser looks good and better i some than mike,,imo he should have stayed here in terms of his build,his midsection was tight .
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You posted that my comment was "stupid" and apparently can not back your accusation up ;)
My post was in response to Willgrant suggesting that Francois is better "in the bigger picture" whatever that means lol, and your reply critiqued mine, so naturally I asked you what this "bigger picture" means - but perhaps Willgrant would be better at trying to address it since those are his words.
You posted that my comment was "stupid" and apparently can not back your accusation up ;)
95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser
Stupid statement which was typed without any research and ironically not anything to '' back " it up
in 1997 he placed third behind Nasser twice , once at the Arnold and again San Jose pro , so to claim he ' did not even place close to Nasser ' is not only ignorant but stupid because you could have easily checked instead of me correcting you as usual.
Another stupid statement NOT backed up with anything either , yet you demand others back up their claim
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision)
How do you know? what was the score card? where is the link?
Another dumb statement
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
Mike was NOT close to his best at the 1995 Mr Olympia because Mike did the spring shows ( where he won BTW ) and couldn't peak again and who knows how it would have turned out , because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser
seriously bro do your research or run the risk of looking stupid and having me point it out.
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95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser
Stupid statement which was typed without any research and ironically not anything to '' back " it up
in 1997 he placed third behind Nasser twice , once at the Arnold and again San Jose pro , so to claim he ' did not even place close to Nasser ' is not only ignorant but stupid because you could have easily checked instead of me correcting you as usual.
Another stupid statement NOT backed up with anything either , yet you demand others back up their claim
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision)
How do you know? what was the score card? where is the link?
Another dumb statement
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
Mike was NOT close to his best at the 1995 Mr Olympia because Mike did the spring shows ( where he won BTW ) and couldn't peak again and who knows how it would have turned out , because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser
seriously bro do your research or run the risk of looking stupid and having me point it out.
Wow you totally show your biases in posts such as this. So Francois was far from his best at the 95 Olympia because he did a spring show, even though Nasser did the Houston and NOC shows the same year? lol. If Francois couldn't peak again it just adds to the list of reasons why he was an inferior bodybuilder to Nasser. And you're pointing out that he beat Flex at the 95 AC even though its previously been argued to death that Flex was still recovering in 95 (btw Nasser beat Flex decisively at the 95 Olympia as well), again, irrelevent to the discussion here.
And lol at the fact that you've challenged me to find a link to scorecards to say that Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC even though you did not provide any link to the scores of Francois' two placings behind Nasser at the 97 Arnold and San Jose pro shows. Why the double standard?
But again that's all irrelevent, fact is Francois never beat Nasser at his best. Any further arguments to Francois' favour are always filled with if's - if his career didn't end early, if he kept continuing to improve, if he could have peakd twice in 95, etc.
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Wow you totally show your biases in posts such as this. So Francois was far from his best at the 95 Olympia because he did a spring show, even though Nasser did the Houston and NOC shows the same year? lol. If Francois couldn't peak again it just adds to the list of reasons why he was an inferior bodybuilder to Nasser. And you're pointing out that he beat Flex at the 95 AC even though its previously been argued to death that Flex was still recovering in 95 (btw Nasser beat Flex decisively at the 95 Olympia as well), again, irrelevent to the discussion here.
And lol at the fact that you've challenged me to find a link to scorecards to say that Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC even though you did not provide any link to the scores of Francois' two placings behind Nasser at the 97 Arnold and San Jose pro shows. Why the double standard?
But again that's all irrelevent, fact is Francois never beat Nasser at his best. Any further arguments to Francois' favour are always filled with if's - if his career didn't end early, if he kept continuing to improve, if he could have peakd twice in 95, etc.
Wow you totally show your biases in posts such as this. So Francois was far from his best at the 95 Olympia because he did a spring show, even though Nasser did the Houston and NOC shows the same year? lol. If Francois couldn't peak again it just adds to the list of reasons why he was an inferior bodybuilder to Nasser. And you're pointing out that he beat Flex at the 95 AC even though its previously been argued to death that Flex was still recovering in 95 (btw Nasser beat Flex decisively at the 95 Olympia as well), again, irrelevent to the discussion here.
What bias? where did I say Mike was better? where? furthermore none of this has anything to do with your ignorant statement but I will address it
You claimed ignorantly that they were their best at the 1995 Olympia which is a lie , it doesn't matter is Nasser competed in the spring shows and still maintained a good shape at the Olympia , that has NOTHING to do with them both being their best at the same show.
And lol at the fact that you've challenged me to find a link to scorecards to say that Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC even though you did not provide any link to the scores of Francois' two placings behind Nasser at the 97 Arnold and San Jose pro shows. Why the double standard?
The difference between you and I is , I can back up my claims and you don't ever , you just make shit up , examples are present in Kevin vs Nasser debates
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=Arnold+Classic+-+IFBB&y=1997
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=San+Jose+Pro+Invitational+-+IFBB&y=1997
consider it back-up and your bullshit about Mike never coming close to Nasser after 95 corrected ;) now I will NOT be waiting for your other bullshit claim to be backed up , about the judges just giving Mike a close 1st over Nasser at the 95 NOC because you made that shit up and we both know it and please don't tell me Nasser told you it was a close contest because he's a horrible source for information and anything he ' confirms ' will be dismissed
But again that's all irrelevent, fact is Francois never beat Nasser at his best. Any further arguments to Francois' favour are always filled with if's - if his career didn't end early, if he kept continuing to improve, if he could have peakd twice in 95, etc.
Nasser never beat Mike at his best , and I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best , but 1995 Arnold Classic was pretty damn impressive and he wasn't missing much compared to Nasser
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What bias? where did I say Mike was better? where? furthermore none of this has anything to do with your ignorant statement but I will address it
You claimed ignorantly that they were their best at the 1995 Olympia which is a lie , it doesn't matter is Nasser competed in the spring shows and still maintained a good shape at the Olympia , that has NOTHING to do with them both being their best at the same show.
The difference between you and I is , I can back up my claims and you don't ever , you just make shit up , examples are present in Kevin vs Nasser debates
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=Arnold+Classic+-+IFBB&y=1997
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=San+Jose+Pro+Invitational+-+IFBB&y=1997
consider it back-up and your bullshit about Mike never coming close to Nasser after 95 corrected ;) now I will NOT be waiting for your other bullshit claim to be backed up , about the judges just giving Mike a close 1st over Nasser at the 95 NOC because you made that shit up and we both know it and please don't tell me Nasser told you it was a close contest because he's a horrible source for information and anything he ' confirms ' will be dismissed
Nasser never beat Mike at his best , and I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best , but 1995 Arnold Classic was pretty damn impressive and he wasn't missing much compared to Nasser
i agree, at their bests Mike and Nasser were very close, both very, very good 250 pound plus bodybuilders, two of the best ever.
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What bias? where did I say Mike was better? where? furthermore none of this has anything to do with your ignorant statement but I will address it
You claimed ignorantly that they were their best at the 1995 Olympia which is a lie , it doesn't matter is Nasser competed in the spring shows and still maintained a good shape at the Olympia , that has NOTHING to do with them both being their best at the same show.
The difference between you and I is , I can back up my claims and you don't ever , you just make shit up , examples are present in Kevin vs Nasser debates
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=Arnold+Classic+-+IFBB&y=1997
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=San+Jose+Pro+Invitational+-+IFBB&y=1997
consider it back-up and your bullshit about Mike never coming close to Nasser after 95 corrected ;) now I will NOT be waiting for your other bullshit claim to be backed up , about the judges just giving Mike a close 1st over Nasser at the 95 NOC because you made that shit up and we both know it and please don't tell me Nasser told you it was a close contest because he's a horrible source for information and anything he ' confirms ' will be dismissed
Nasser never beat Mike at his best , and I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best , but 1995 Arnold Classic was pretty damn impressive and he wasn't missing much compared to Nasser
haha you are such a liar find the quote where I said 95 Olympia was both Francois' and Nasser's best? ::)
And you did NOT provide a score-card for either show showing the placings of the 97 San Jose and AC were close, unless you're just asking me to similarly show a scorecard of the NOC that Nasser and Francois were one placing apart without the actual scores? ???
And again you're using the "if" argument when you say "I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best."
Anyway at least you aren't trying to claim that Francois was better than Nasser at his best, so perhaps this is just a debate of symantics.
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if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.
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if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.
How do you know that?
It's just like arguing that one can't say who would win at UFC at their best between Lesnar and Overeem because Lesnar never fulfilled his potential due to surgery and layoff.
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haha you are such a liar find the quote where I said 95 Olympia was both Francois' and Nasser's best? ::)
And you did NOT provide a score-card for either show showing the placings of the 97 San Jose and AC were close, unless you're just asking me to similarly show a scorecard of the NOC that Nasser and Francois were one placing apart without the actual scores? ???
And again you're using the "if" argument when you say "I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best."
Anyway at least you aren't trying to claim that Francois was better than Nasser at his best, so perhaps this is just a debate of symantics.
haha you are such a liar find the quote where I said 95 Olympia was both Francois' and Nasser's best? ::)
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
Your quote
And you did NOT provide a score-card for either show showing the placings of the 97 San Jose and AC were close, unless you're just asking me to similarly show a scorecard of the NOC that Nasser and Francois were one placing apart without the actual scores? ???
awwww don't like being proven wrong? don't type lies & bull shit. I never claimed the judges gave Nasser a close call over Mike in 1997 did I? you claimed the contest in which Mike beat Nasser was close prove it
I did my part , you said Mike never came close to Nasser from 1995 on and I just proved you flat-out wrong , back up your claim now , again I wont be waiting ;)
And again you're using the "if" argument when you say "I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best."
Anyway at least you aren't trying to claim that Francois was better than Nasser at his best, so perhaps this is just a debate of symantics.
I never said if now you're reduced to lying , I said I don't think we seen Mike at his best where did I say if? Where? I mentioned 95 Arnold and I will say that showing will give Nasser a run for his money even at his best
Mike was a lot like Nasser , short legs , long torso , thick , massive but Mike had a back ;)
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95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
Yes, that's my quote and nowhere does it say that 95 Olympia was both Nasser and Francois' best. Actually it says that it's neither of their best but the closest to their best inw hich they were on the same stage at the same time. For the amount that you nit-pick quotes and semantics I'm very surprsied I had to explain this to you.
As for the scorecard stuff, clarify exactly what "proof" you're asking for? Proof that the 94 NOC placing was only one apart between Nasser and Francois? ??? Because that's all you've posted in relation to when i asked you for similar proof of the two 97 shows you used as examples.
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How do you know that?
It's just like arguing that one can't say who would win at UFC at their best between Lesnar and Overeem because Lesnar never fulfilled his potential due to surgery and layoff.
We know this easily based on performances because Brock was never in Overeem's league , Mike was in Nassers , Mike beat Nasser
I think the best Mike ever looked contest wise was probably the 95 Arnold and in this version he would give any version of Nasser a real run for his money , not sure if he would win I haven't really given it much thought
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We know this easily based on performances because Brock was never in Overeem's league , Mike was in Nassers , Mike beat Nasser I think the best Mike ever looked contest wise was probably the 95 Arnold and in this version he would give any version of Nasser a real run for his money , not sure if he would win I haven't really given it much thought
Yeah Mike beat an up and coming Nasser ::) but never a Nasser at his best.
Entertaining that AC was Francois' best, I still doubt it would beat Nasser as in the same year he got 7th to a 3rd place Nasser at the Olympia. Even if he was not as conditioned at the Olympia as the AC, the gap between 7th and 3rd at an O is like two different bodybuilders altogether, not just the difference between being off later in the same year.
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Yes, that's my quote and nowhere does it say that 95 Olympia was both Nasser and Francois' best. Actually it says that it's neither of their best but the closest to their best inw hich they were on the same stage at the same time. For the amount that you nit-pick quotes and semantics I'm very surprsied I had to explain this to you.
As for the scorecard stuff, clarify exactly what "proof" you're asking for? Proof that the 94 NOC placing was only one apart between Nasser and Francois? ??? Because that's all you've posted in relation to when i asked you for similar proof of the two 97 shows you used as examples.
I know what you typed and it was wrong , Mike was way off at the 95 Olympia not close to his best at the same time
You claimed the judges gave Mike a close contest in 94 , a close contest means the two are separated by mere points , Flex was second to Dorian in 1993 but he was no where close to him despite the placing , Flex was extremely close to Ronnie 1998 the first and second placing is separated by 3 points that contest could have gone either way ( despite what fanboys claim to the contrary )
You asked me to prove my point which contradicted your lie that Mike was never close from 95 on wards , I did
I know who was first and second at the 94 NOC , I don't know if it was close or not
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Also the 95 AC was not a particularly competitive lineup, despite it having greater prize money not a single competitor in the 95 AC placed ahead of the top 4 competitors from 95 NOC ;)
Or lemme guess, everyone from the AC that year could not peak twice in the same year despite the NOC competitors being able to LOL.
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I know what you typed and it was wrong , Mike was way off at the 95 Olympia not close to his best at the same time
You claimed the judges gave Mike a close contest in 94 , a close contest means the two are separated by mere points , Flex was second to Dorian in 1993 but he was no where close to him despite the placing , Flex was extremely close to Ronnie 1998 the first and second placing is separated by 3 points that contest could have gone either way ( despite what fanboys claim to the contrary )
You asked me to prove my point which contradicted your lie that Mike was never close from 95 on wards , I did
I know who was first and second at the 94 NOC , I don't know if it was close or not
Dude, the links you provided did not show the points which separated Mike and Nasser? So if I'm to provide the same "proof" as you all I'd be proving is who placed 1st and 2nd?
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Jeez! Look at Munzer! Nasser would want to stand near him on a rear double bicep pose. Not in that condition. My God!
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Yeah Mike beat an up and coming Nasser ::) but never a Nasser at his best.
Entertaining that AC was Francois' best, I still doubt it would beat Nasser as in the same year he got 7th to a 3rd place Nasser at the Olympia. Even if he was not as conditioned at the Olympia as the AC, the gap between 7th and 3rd at an O is like two different bodybuilders altogether, not just the difference between being off later in the same year.
Mike beat Nasser , Nasser returned the favor
I'm not sure Mike could beat Nasser at his best , I know he would beat him unquestionably from the back , I think Nasser would beat Mike from the front , not sure about the sides , etc like I said I never really put much thought into it
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Dude, the links you provided did not show the points which separated Mike and Nasser? So if I'm to provide the same "proof" as you all I'd be proving is who placed 1st and 2nd?
Again I NEVER said they were close , stop trying to deflect from the original point you made which was Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on wards , that was the original point.
I never said the judges awarded Nasser a close contest in 97 , all I said is was he did come close to Nasser in fact behind him which contradicted your point.
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Also the 95 AC was not a particularly competitive lineup, despite it having greater prize money not a single competitor in the 95 AC placed ahead of the top 4 competitors from 95 NOC ;)
Or lemme guess, everyone from the AC that year could not peak twice in the same year despite the NOC competitors being able to LOL.
It didn't have a competitive line-up? ::) Flex , Clairmonte , Munzer , Mike and Labrada all in awesome shape , LMFAO
some how Nasser was better despite not daring to enter the Arnold . we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.
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Again I NEVER said they were close , stop trying to deflect from the original point you made which was Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on wards , that was the original point.
I never said the judges awarded Nasser a close contest in 97 , all I said is was he did come close to Nasser in fact behind him which contradicted your point.
I said Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC based on the fact that they were placed next to each other, you argued that similarly Francois and Nasser were placed close (and provided links showing they were placed next to each other) at two shows in 97. However your further implied I should provide proof in terms of score-cards for 94.
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It didn't have a competitive line-up? ::) Flex , Clairmonte , Munzer , Mike and Labrada all in awesome shape , LMFAO
some how Nasser was better despite not daring to enter the Arnold . we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.
Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year.
Yup I made a mistake earlier when i said all four placed ahead of the AC competitors, but still...3 out of the top 4 at the NOC beating each AC competitor tells you the AC was not as competitive as the NOC that year despite the former having greater prize money. Nasser would have destroyed the 95 AC lineup if he had entered that show!
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I said Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC based on the fact that they were placed next to each other, you argued that similarly Francois and Nasser were placed close (and provided links showing they were placed next to each other) at two shows in 97. However your further implied I should provide proof in terms of score-cards for 94.
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser
Bullshit , this is your claim. Now you're claiming they were close ::) NO you claimed he was barely awarded the contest , prove this claim ( I know you can't )
Again you claimed from 95 on Mike never came close to Nasser , again I prove you flat-out wrong because in 97 he was one placement behind Nasser on two separate occasions ( I never once claimed he did it ' just barely '
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94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser
Bullshit , this is your claim. Now you're claiming they were close ::) NO you claimed he was barely awarded the contest , prove this claim ( I know you can't )
Again you claimed from 95 on Mike never came close to Nasser , again I prove you flat-out wrong because in 97 he was one placement behind Nasser on two separate occasions ( I never once claimed he did it ' just barely '
Just barely = close lol, same thing. I bet if you didn't argue semantics so much the Ronnie/Dorian thread would have been one-third the size ;)
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Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year.
Yup I made a mistake earlier when i said all four placed ahead of the AC competitors, but still...3 out of the top 4 at the NOC beating each AC competitor tells you the AC was not as competitive as the NOC that year despite the former having greater prize money. Nasser would have destroyed the 95 AC lineup if he had entered that show!
Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year.
That has nothing to do with the 95 Arnold Classic and if it was a competitive line-up , absolutely NOTHING , the top 5 were all in fantastic shape and all capable of wining the contest to claim otherwise is laughable
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That has nothing to do with the 95 Arnold Classic and if it was a competitive line-up , absolutely NOTHING , the top 5 were all in fantastic shape and all capable of wining the contest to claim otherwise is laughable
Oh yeah so they all mysteriously could not peak twice in the same year yet the NOC competitors coincidentally could lol, has nothing to do with the NOC lineup simply being better in 95 than the AC lineup ::)
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Just barely = close lol, same thing. I bet if you didn't argue semantics so much the Ronnie/Dorian thread would have been one-third the size ;)
No it doesn't , you're the one playing with words because you were called out on them
So now according to your logic , Flex 1993 was just as close to Dorian at the Olympia that he was to Ronnie in 1998 because they both were second ::) Dorian 93 was eons better than Flex , Shawn and everone else
so according to you straight firsts is the same as winning by 3 points ::) LMFAO
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No it doesn't , you're the one playing with words because you were called out on them
So now according to your logic , Flex 1993 was just as close to Dorian at the Olympia that he was to Ronnie in 1998 because they both were second ::) Dorian 93 was eons better than Flex , Shawn and everone else
so according to you straight firsts is the same as winning by 3 points ::) LMFAO
You haven't provided score-cards for the shows you used as examples, neither have I. I used the words "just barely" because it was a second place vs. first place show and the pictures show it was a close show. The wording in my post had nothing to do with score-cards as I haven't seen them myself.
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Oh yeah so they all mysteriously could not peak twice in the same year yet the NOC competitors coincidentally could lol, has nothing to do with the NOC lineup simply being better in 95 than the AC lineup ::)
You said the 95 Arnold competitors were that great of a line-up which is bullshit , most were in great shape but you are looking to claim some victory by proxy for Nasser because he beat so-and-so at this contest ::)
How would have Nasser placed at the 95 Arnold? we don't know he didn't enter , I think he would have been right there at the top but please stop acting like Nasser was Dorian and NO ONE had a chance of winning if he entered the contest
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You haven't provided score-cards for the shows you used as examples, neither have I. I used the words "just barely" because it was a second place vs. first place show and the pictures show it was a close show. The wording in my post had nothing to do with score-cards as I haven't seen them myself.
I don't have to. I never said Nasser just barely beat Mike in 1997 ;)
Again according to you Flex was just as close to Dorian in 93 than he was to Ronnie in 1998 ;D that straight firsts and 3 points are actually the same
You asked to provide proof Mike came close to Nasser from 95 on ward and I did , I backed up my claim and as usual when pushed on yours , you come up empty as usual :D
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You said the 95 Arnold competitors were that great of a line-up which is bullshit , most were in great shape but you are looking to claim some victory by proxy for Nasser because he beat so-and-so at this contest ::)
How would have Nasser placed at the 95 Arnold? we don't know he didn't enter , I think he would have been right there at the top but please stop acting like Nasser was Dorian and NO ONE had a chance of winning if he entered the contest
Obviously every pro show has a great lineup, it's all relative. My point was that the 95 NOC lineup IMO was a tougher to beat than the 95 AC lineup, and for support I showed that the 3 of the top 4 of the 95 NOC lineup beat everyone from the 95 AC who entered the Olympia later the same year. Of course no one can say for certainty who would win what show if they did not enter it, but the fact I just presented does give a good hint
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great pics sherief of Nasser clearly killing Mike
the only pose where Mike shades Nasser is the BDB- because mike is a tad harder and seperated in the upper back than Nasser
but also note Nasser's glutes and hamstrings kill Mike in that pose
so Nasser winning 7of 8 compulsories easily and Mike barely winning the BDB
Nasser >>>>>>>. Mike
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I think Bob and Sherif need to take there rose coloured glasses of nasser off here and look at the bigger picture - you guys are blinded with your admiration of Nasser that you can not give fair Critiques.
yes the judges too were blinded and so were putting him always ahead of mike :-X
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95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser
Stupid statement which was typed without any research and ironically not anything to '' back " it up
in 1997 he placed third behind Nasser twice , once at the Arnold and again San Jose pro , so to claim he ' did not even place close to Nasser ' is not only ignorant but stupid because you could have easily checked instead of me correcting you as usual.
Another stupid statement NOT backed up with anything either , yet you demand others back up their claim
94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision)
How do you know? what was the score card? where is the link?
Another dumb statement
95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.
Mike was NOT close to his best at the 1995 Mr Olympia because Mike did the spring shows ( where he won BTW ) and couldn't peak again and who knows how it would have turned out , because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser
seriously bro do your research or run the risk of looking stupid and having me point it out.
you call bobs comments stupid??.. really??.. yours is pure stupidity as always.. so when mike beat a "return back" flex in 95 at the AC and olympia you make it "Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser"!!!.. actually nasser beat both of them in 95 and beat flex again in 96.. flex beat him later in 97 and 98 but this is another story because he beat francois too in 97 :-X
to make it simple so you can understand:
- mike beat a return back flex in 95..
- nasser beat both of them in 95 and 96..
- flex beat both of them in 97..
so you cant stupidly say mike beat flex who beat nasser!!!..
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Wow you totally show your biases in posts such as this. So Francois was far from his best at the 95 Olympia because he did a spring show, even though Nasser did the Houston and NOC shows the same year? lol. If Francois couldn't peak again it just adds to the list of reasons why he was an inferior bodybuilder to Nasser. And you're pointing out that he beat Flex at the 95 AC even though its previously been argued to death that Flex was still recovering in 95 (btw Nasser beat Flex decisively at the 95 Olympia as well), again, irrelevent to the discussion here.
And lol at the fact that you've challenged me to find a link to scorecards to say that Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC even though you did not provide any link to the scores of Francois' two placings behind Nasser at the 97 Arnold and San Jose pro shows. Why the double standard?
But again that's all irrelevent, fact is Francois never beat Nasser at his best. Any further arguments to Francois' favour are always filled with if's - if his career didn't end early, if he kept continuing to improve, if he could have peakd twice in 95, etc.
bobs is destroying the magazines parrot dorian cok sucker as always..
great point bobs,.. the parrot said that mike couldnt peak at the olympia (in september) because he had competed at the AC (in january) while as you said the wizard peaked at the olympia although he has competed at the NOC (in june)!!!.. then he calls your comments stupid :-\
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if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.
as i said before how are you so sure mike never fulfilled his potential??.. it's all guessing and cant be taken seriously.. a lot of top pros presented their very best very early in their careers and couldnt repeat the same shape again although they continues to compete many years after this!!.. flex at the AC 93,.. levrone at the olympia 92,.. dillett in 94.. even imo nasser's best was at the NOC 95!!.. so if it's a guessing why dont you guess mike would have not surpassed his ac 95 shape??.. i am not confirming he would have or not but i am saying no body knows!!..
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you call bobs comments stupid??.. really??.. yours is pure stupidity as always.. so when mike beat a "return back" flex in 95 at the AC and olympia you make it "Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser"!!!.. actually nasser beat both of them in 95 and beat flex again in 96.. flex beat him later in 97 and 98 but this is another story because he beat francois too in 97 :-X
to make it simple so you can understand:
- mike beat a return back flex in 95..
- nasser beat both of them in 95 and 96..
- flex beat both of them in 97..
so you cant stupidly say mike beat flex who beat nasser!!!..
Yeah a return Flex that was so bad be placed second at the Arnold Classic ::) a ' return ' Flex who was so bad he won more pro shows in 1995 than Nasser ;) don't try and cheapen Mike's victory over Flex it was a huge accomplishment when Flex was actually in shape unlike the Olympia where he wasn't when Nasser beat him
Bobs statements were really stupid because he simply made them up , like Mike never got close to Nasser after 95 ( a lie which he could have checked very easily ) or Mike somehow just barely won over Nasser in 94 NOC ::) it isn't the first time Bobs made shit up like Levrone , no where in my statements did I outright lie learn the difference or end up looking stupid like Bobs :D
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bobs is destroying the magazines parrot dorian cok sucker as always..
great point bobs,.. the parrot said that mike couldnt peak at the olympia (in september) because he had competed at the AC (in january) while as you said the wizard peaked at the olympia although he has competed at the NOC (in june)!!!.. then he calls your comments stupid :-\
Hahahahahahaha Team Nasser meltdown mode , hurry lets all defend Bobs because he's getting owned for making shit up again and NarcissisticDeity is calling him out on it ;)
How about Bobs outright lied and said Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on? was he destroying me? ;) no he was just making shit up , oh how about Mike just barely beat Nasser in 94 another outright lie he tried to weasel his way out when I called him on it ;)
Same butt-hurt Nasser fan boys defending their ' hero ' yet again with lies and stupid statements , Team-Nassqueer going strong in 2012 the excuses are flowing like wine. 8)
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It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.
IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.
Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?
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It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.
IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.
Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?
Infidel! It would be akin to questioning the Koran. Nasser is inerrant.
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It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.
IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.
Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?
Irrelevent question. If having weak points (or not) was the only criteria then someone like Shawn Ray woudl have won every mr. Ol title.
Francois had many chances on stage to beat Nasser but the fact is he simply could not do so from 95 onward. I really doubt Francois himself would even say he was a better bodybuilder than Nasser. Just months after Mike's 95 AC he got 7th at the 95 O compared to Nasser's 3rd placing. Yet Francois fans will cling to their only argument that "95 AC is Francois' best and since Nasser did not compete int he 95 AC you can't speculate who would have been better!"
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Yeah a return Flex that was so bad be placed second at the Arnold Classic ::) a ' return ' Flex who was so bad he won more pro shows in 1995 than Nasser ;) don't try and cheapen Mike's victory over Flex it was a huge accomplishment when Flex was actually in shape unlike the Olympia where he wasn't when Nasser beat him
Bobs statements were really stupid because he simply made them up , like Mike never got close to Nasser after 95 ( a lie which he could have checked very easily ) or Mike somehow just barely won over Nasser in 94 NOC ::) it isn't the first time Bobs made shit up like Levrone , no where in my statements did I outright lie learn the difference or end up looking stupid like Bobs :D
i didnt say flex looked bad in AC 95 but sure it would have been another story for mike if he "flex" came in the same shape he presented in ironman 98!!.. and yes he came 2nd at the AC in 95 but the 3rd and 4th were 2nd tire pros..
and you clearly said mike beat flex who beat nasser many times!!!.. forgetting that mike never beat flex except in 95 and flex started to beat nasser in 97 after nasser was beating him in 95 and 96..
using your stupid logic i can say thierry pastel who beat benaziza who beat dorian ::)
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Hahahahahahaha Team Nasser meltdown mode , hurry lets all defend Bobs because he's getting owned for making shit up again and NarcissisticDeity is calling him out on it ;)
How about Bobs outright lied and said Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on? was he destroying me? ;) no he was just making shit up , oh how about Mike just barely beat Nasser in 94 another outright lie he tried to weasel his way out when I called him on it ;)
Same butt-hurt Nasser fan boys defending their ' hero ' yet again with lies and stupid statements , Team-Nassqueer going strong in 2012 the excuses are flowing like wine. 8)
yes in the NOC 94 flex report said that nasser was the deserved winner by many.. i dont have that issue of flex magazine but i have an arabian bb magazine saying this and all its articles were translated from flex magazine..
yes it was one of the worst judging decisions ever!!..
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i didnt say flex looked bad in AC 95 but sure it would have been another story for mike if he "flex" came in the same shape he presented in ironman 98!!.. and yes he came 2nd at the AC in 95 but the 3rd and 4th were 2nd tire pros..
and you clearly said mike beat flex who beat nasser many times!!!.. forgetting that mike never beat flex except in 95 and flex started to beat nasser in 97 after nasser was beating him in 95 and 96..
using your stupid logic i can say thierry pastel who beat benaziza who beat dorian ::)
Yes ND does show biases at times like the bolded text lol, I'm sure he knew better but just wanted to include a point for Francois against Nasser even though he knew it was a dumb comment too.
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Yes ND does show biases at times like the bolded text lol, I'm sure he knew better but just wanted to include a point for Francois against Nasser even though he knew it was a dumb comment too.
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I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either , I can assess the situation more honestly and with less emotion involved than you guys
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yes in the NOC 94 flex report said that nasser was the deserved winner by many.. i dont have that issue of flex magazine but i have an arabian bb magazine saying this and all its articles were translated from flex magazine..
yes it was one of the worst judging decisions ever!!..
Says the guy who bitches & moans about me being a Flex magazine parrot but is now doing the same , hypocrite much? ;)
I don't have much invested in this , solely going by the pictures ( which admittedly is inaccurate ) Nasser looks better in some shots and Mike in others , the scale is obviously off favoring Nasser because Mike is only 3" shorter but in some shots looks like it's 6" shorter but it could have been a close contest but it's not so blatantly obvious that Nasser was better only to Nasser fans :-\
You're acting like this is 1981 Mr Olympia ???
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I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either , I can assess the situation more honestly and with less emotion involved than you guys
Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol. You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.
Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6. He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too. Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not. There's really no debate here. All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened ::) Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.
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Irrelevent question. If having weak points (or not) was the only criteria then someone like Shawn Ray woudl have won every mr. Ol title.
Francois had many chances on stage to beat Nasser but the fact is he simply could not do so from 95 onward. I really doubt Francois himself would even say he was a better bodybuilder than Nasser. Just months after Mike's 95 AC he got 7th at the 95 O compared to Nasser's 3rd placing. Yet Francois fans will cling to their only argument that "95 AC is Francois' best and since Nasser did not compete int he 95 AC you can't speculate who would have been better!"
Stop deflecting.
Shawn Ray DID have weak points. He wasn't big enough. Case in point:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406639.0;attach=449083;image)
DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?
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Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol. You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.
Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6. He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too. Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not. There's really no debate here. All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened ::) Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.
Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol. You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.
That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked
Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6. He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too. Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not. There's really no debate here. All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened ::) Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.
Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.
Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too
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Stop deflecting.
Shawn Ray DID have weak points. He wasn't big enough. Case in point:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406639.0;attach=449083;image)
DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?
He had more than just not being big enough.
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Stop deflecting.
Shawn Ray DID have weak points. He wasn't big enough. Case in point:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406639.0;attach=449083;image)
DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?
Yup, and Francois was not big enough compared to Nasser - that's Francois' weak point.
here are a few questions for you:
DID FRANCOIS EVER GET EVEN TOP 6 AT AN OLYMPIA LIKE NASSER DID MANY TIMES?
DID FRANCOIS EVER BEAT NASSER FROM 95 ONWARD?
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Yup, and Francois was not big enough compared to Nasser - that's Francois' weak point.
here are a few questions for you:
DID FRANCOIS EVER GET EVEN TOP 6 AT AN OLYMPIA LIKE NASSER DID MANY TIMES?
DID FRANCOIS EVER BEAT NASSER FROM 95 ONWARD?
That wasn't a weak point because Nasser was bigger than 99% of the guys he competed with and regularly lost to them
Mike had weak points as did Nasser as does everyone
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That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked
Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.
Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too
well I guess I can't tell when to take what you say seriously or not because how does one know whether it's to get the "fanboys" flustered or not? As far as I know you know deep down Nasser was the better bodybuilder between the two but you're not admitting it in order to get the "fanboys flustered"
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well I guess I can't tell when to take what you say seriously or not because how does one know whether it's to get the "fanboys" flustered or not? As far as I know you know deep down Nasser was the better bodybuilder between the two but you're not admitting it in order to get the "fanboys flustered"
I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look , and I don't mean 94 because neither were at their best
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Nasser himself felt that he had weak points; thats why he ultimately over did the synthol thing
(http://artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims52.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SwejUDQK9AI/AAAAAAAACiw/g7SQBbQ7bsU/s1600/elsonbaty03.JPG)
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Nasser himself felt that he had weak points; thats why he ultimately over did the synthol thing
(http://artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims52.jpg)
That's ' scar tissue '
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I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look , and I don't mean 94 because neither were at their best
You've said many times before that shows are not judged based on a break-down of each mandatory pose
Based on the facts I've said numerous times - that shortly after the 95 AC Francois lost by far (7th vs. 3rd) to Nasser at the 95 Olympia, and lost to Nasser in several shows thereafter - I find it highly unplausible that 95 AC Francois woudl stand a chance against Nasser. Even Nasser aside, but none of the 95 AC lineup who Francois beat were able to beat the 95 NOC top 3 (Nasser, Taylor and Cormier) at the Olympia the same year - shows that the 95 AC lineup was not particularly competitive that year.
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You've said many times before that shows are not judged based on a break-down of each mandatory pose
Based on the facts I've said numerous times - that shortly after the 95 AC Francois lost by far (7th vs. 3rd) to Nasser at the 95 Olympia, and lost to Nasser in several shows thereafter - I find it highly unplausible that 95 AC Francois woudl stand a chance against Nasser. Even Nasser aside, but none of the 95 AC lineup who Francois beat were able to beat the 95 NOC top 3 (Nasser, Taylor and Cormier) at the Olympia the same year - shows that the 95 AC lineup was not particularly competitive that year.
I always said shows aren't won on parts but poses And who beats whom in the most mandatory poses wins the contest. Mike at the 95 Arnold would destroy ANY version of Nasser from the back , his subsequent placings have nothing to do with that. The same way I can say Nasser 95 Houston pro would beat almost anyone in the ab thigh ( sans Dorian ) despite how shitty he looked towards the end of career
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NASSER
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach%3Btopic=224301.0%3Battach=263804%3Bimage)
FRANCOIS
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450432;image)
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I always said shows aren't won on parts but poses And who beats whom in the most mandatory poses wins the contest. Mike at the 95 Arnold would destroy ANY version of Nasser from the back , his subsequent placings have nothing to do with that. The same way I can say Nasser 95 Houston pro would beat almost anyone in the ab thigh ( sans Dorian ) despite how shitty he looked towards the end of career
There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall.
However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser.
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All pros were better than Nasser tho
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All pros were better than Nasser tho
lol your trolling attempts would be better if more subtle.
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There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall.
However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser.
One contest showing is completely independent of the other...it's NOT how they looked that "year" ..it's the day of the contest, these guys bodies change by the hour. and on that DAY Francois best showing destroys anything Nasser ever offered.
Like you LOVE to say ...."AT THEIR BEST..WHO WAS BETTER" ;)
Francois by a mile.
I ove how you completely flip flop yoyr view point, when it's Levrone vs. Nasser.you say "Never mind who had the better career of top placings...who was better at their absolute best ?"
Now it's Francois vs Nasser and it's "yeah , but Nasser had a better career of top Placings."
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One contest showing is completely independent of the other...it's NOT how they looked that "year" ..it's the day of the contest, these guys bodies change by the hour. and on that DAY Francois best showing destroys anything Nasser ever offered.
Like you LOVE to say ...."AT THEIR BEST..WHO WAS BETTER" ;)
Francois by a mile.
I ove how you completely flip flop yoyr view point, when it's Levrone vs. Nasser.you say "Never mind who had the better career of top placings...who was better at their absolute best ?"
Now it's Francois vs Nasser and it's "yeah , but Nasser had a better career of top Placings."
Touche, similarly when it's Levrone vs. Nasser you argue who had a better overall career, who beat who more times, who had more top finishes, etc. but when it's Francois vs. Nasser you argue who YOU THINK looked best between 95 AC Francois vs another version of Nasser.
Yes, physiques change show by show, but highly unlikley that Francois dropped leaps and bounds from 95 AC to 95 Olympia such that his 95 AC performance would have earned him a 2nd or 3rd place finish in 95 instead of 7th.
Especially since sometimes you guys argue that Francois was improving and his career was stopped short due to sickness, now the argument is that he peaked early in his career (95 AC) then started to go downhill.
The pics from 94 show it was pretty close, and from 94-95 Nasser transformed a lot more than Francois. Everyone was talking of Nasser's transformation from 94 to 95, not Francois'.
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Touche, similarly when it's Levrone vs. Nasser you argue who had a better overall career, who beat who more times, who had more top finishes, etc. but when it's Francois vs. Nasser you argue who YOU THINK looked best between 95 AC Francois vs another version of Nasser.
Yes, physiques change show by show, but highly unlikley that Francois dropped leaps and bounds from 95 AC to 95 Olympia such that his 95 AC performance would have earned him a 2nd or 3rd place finish in 95 instead of 7th.
Especially since sometimes you guys argue that Francois was improving and his career was stopped short due to sickness, now the argument is that he peaked early in his career (95 AC) then started to go downhill.
The pics from 94 show it was pretty close, and from 94-95 Nasser transformed a lot more than Francois. Everyone was talking of Nasser's transformation from 94 to 95, not Francois'.
Nice try, but i also think Levrone looked better at his best ;D
and that's just nonsense, you can finish first in one show and dead last the next, these aren't rollover minutes
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Nice try, but i also think Levrone looked better at his best ;D
and that's just nonsense, you can finish first in one show and dead last the next, these aren't rollover minutes
Technically anything is possible, but some things are highly unlikely.
I didn't see night and day difference in photos from Francois' 95 AC vs. Olympia performance - and he would need a night and day difference to get top 3 vs. 7th.
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Technically anything is possible, but some things are highly unlikely.
I didn't see night and day difference in photos from Francois' 95 AC vs. Olympia performance - and he would need a night and day difference to get top 3 vs. 7th.
No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia
But i see what you tried to do there ;)
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lol your trolling attempts would be better if more subtle.
its the truth, no need to be subtle about it. ;)
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That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked
Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.
Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too
why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said :-X
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Stop deflecting.
Shawn Ray DID have weak points. He wasn't big enough. Case in point:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406639.0;attach=449083;image)
DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?
lol but pound for pound ray was not small at all.. anyway forget about ray.. so you think anyone with no weak points can beat anyone with weak points??.. so why do you think ronnie was always beating jay although at his best jay had no clear weak points while ronnie has many??.. or i will make it related to mike again,.. do you think mike's version of AC 95 which is according to you flawless could beat dorian at mr. olympia 95 although dorian had one clear weak part (his torn bicep)??..
you know nothing in bb to say this really!!.. it's always the overall package kid!!..
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why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said :-X
I'd love to know what the reason is
this should be interesting ;D
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There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall.
However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser.
it's funny that when we were saying nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way dorian was better than him from the back the parrot was saying that we didnt know how contests were judged and it was not as simple as back vs. front but here you see him saying nasser was better from the front but mike was better from the back :-X.. at least try ti make some sense!!..
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No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia
But i see what you tried to do there ;)
according to the great source flex magazine they saw aron paker who came 9th better than wheeler and mike who came in 8th and 7th :P
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I'd love to know what the reason is
this should be interesting ;D
the reason is that the parrot always cares when it comes to other top pros who beat nasser many times so when you show him how nasser was better at his best he brings to you their placings comparison to help him.. but in mike's case he didnt beat nasser except one time and he even didnt deserve it.. while nasser beat him so many times.. so he "ND" cares only when the opponent of nasser is one of the very best.. for example when comparing levrone to nasser i personally see nasser's best better but still i can understand those who see levrone better at his best because they were very close.. but mike was a totally different story.. i like his physique and all but i dont think he had a chance against the very top pros of the 90s at their best..
at his very best his 2 rear poses were great but when he was not at this best even when he was not off his back poses were good but nothing special.. the rest of his poses were ok but again nothing special.. none of his poses was the best ever or one of the best ever while many of nasser's poses were the best ever or among the best ever.. nasser's MM, FR, FDB, and, A&T were all among the best ever and it's very rare to find another bb in the history like this!!..
seriously they were not even close..
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if it wasnt for seo, nasser would not even step onto the olympia stage. francois destroys him
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No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia
But i see what you tried to do there ;)
If politics and name are more prevalent at the Olympia its all the more advantage that Francois had over Nasser at the 95 Olympia! Francois at this point was winning all of his pro-shows, whereas Nasser's first win was only earlier in the year and at what was considered to be lesser shows (95 Houston and 95 NOC are considered lesser shows than the Arnold Classic which Francois one). So greater name Francois had established he still lost decisively in a show where you just claimed name is important - must mean the gap between their physiques was even wider than what would be expected from a 7th vs. 3rd placing :o
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it's funny that when we were saying nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way dorian was better than him from the back the parrot was saying that we didnt know how contests were judged and it was not as simple as back vs. front but here you see him saying nasser was better from the front but mike was better from the back :-X.. at least try ti make some sense!!..
Exactly, ND does have his biases and his favourite bb's just like most others but he tries to act as though he does not.
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lol but pound for pound ray was not small at all.. anyway forget about ray.. so you think anyone with no weak points can beat anyone with weak points??.. so why do you think ronnie was always beating jay although at his best jay had no clear weak points while ronnie has many??.. or i will make it related to mike again,.. do you think mike's version of AC 95 which is according to you flawless could beat dorian at mr. olympia 95 although dorian had one clear weak part (his torn bicep)??..
you know nothing in bb to say this really!!.. it's always the overall package kid!!..
-Just quoting ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER kid!!..
I think he knows alittle bit more about bodybuilding than you.
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-Could Mike at his best have beaten Dorian? Quite certainly. If Mike came into the '97 Olympia looking like he did at the '95 Arnold he would've beaten Dorian.
Why?, because Mike had a balanced, conditioned physique with a BACK.
Nasser at his best ('97 O), looked good from the front (although Dorian had much better conditioning) but he was incredibly weak from the back. He was half a bodybuilder.
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-Could Mike at his best have beaten Dorian? Quite certainly. If Mike came into the '97 Olympia looking like he did at the '95 Arnold he would've beaten Dorian.
Why?, because Mike had a balanced, conditioned physique with a BACK.
Nasser at his best ('97 O), looked good from the front (although Dorian had much better conditioning) but he was incredibly weak from the back. He was half a bodybuilder.
Lots of ifs ands and buts in the Hammer's quote - fact is Francois had many chances against Nasser but was only able to beat him once before Nasser mutated in 95. After that it was simply game over for Francois!
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Francois never showed his true potential, he couldve probably competed at 260
Would always be outsized by a larger nasser, taller, larger individual,
But a ripped 250-260 lbs vs 280 prime nasser , I would personally edge francois
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Francois never showed his true potential, he couldve probably competed at 260
Would always be outsized by a larger nasser, taller, larger individual,
But a ripped 250-260 lbs vs 280 prime nasser , I would personally edge francois
How do you know he never showed his true potential? ???
Here we have several fans saying his best was the 95 AC, which makes his career sound like a typical bodybuilder life-cycle - he improved from his first pro show, peaked at the 95 AC, and from there did not reproduce the same form again, finally (was it in 97?) he got sick and called it quits. If he went downhill from the 95 AC, why do you believe he still had more unseen potential?
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why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said :-X
Because Mike is closer to Nasser than , Levrone , Flex and Dorian were all of these guys were eons better than Nasser
I just like reminding Nasser fanboys that he was NOT anywhere near as good as they pretend he was. I didn't avoid anything I already said Mike outclasses Nasser from the back with ease , from the front Nasser stands a chance from the sides it would be hard to tell unless they were side-by-side
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Francois never showed his true potential, he couldve probably competed at 260
Would always be outsized by a larger nasser, taller, larger individual,
But a ripped 250-260 lbs vs 280 prime nasser , I would personally edge francois
yes i agree with you this imaginary creature could beat nasser and dorian and ronnie ::)
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it's funny that when we were saying nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way dorian was better than him from the back the parrot was saying that we didnt know how contests were judged and it was not as simple as back vs. front but here you see him saying nasser was better from the front but mike was better from the back :-X.. at least try ti make some sense!!..
Nasser comes close to Dorian in one front shot and that's the ab-thigh depending on the year he beat Dorian in the front double biceps ( but again if we're talking about at their career bests and not contest placings Dorian beats Nasser in any and every pose ) and gets destroyed from the front , sides , back , upside down , rightside up
Nasser in no way dominates Dorian from the front like Dorian dominated him because if that were the case then using Bobs ' logic ' many guys beat Nasser from the back but he beat them ' overall ' so it would have been easy for Nasser to beat Dorian then because according to team delusional he easily beats Dorian from the side too ::) and why then did Nasser never come close? and this road leads us back to politics and excuses
Fact Nasser wasn't as good as you people pretend , even Dorian at his worse beat him easily ;) Dorian at his best forget about it 8)
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lol but pound for pound ray was not small at all.. anyway forget about ray.. so you think anyone with no weak points can beat anyone with weak points??.. so why do you think ronnie was always beating jay although at his best jay had no clear weak points while ronnie has many??.. or i will make it related to mike again,.. do you think mike's version of AC 95 which is according to you flawless could beat dorian at mr. olympia 95 although dorian had one clear weak part (his torn bicep)??..
you know nothing in bb to say this really!!.. it's always the overall package kid!!..
Which is exactly why Nasser could never beat Dorian ;)
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Exactly, ND does have his biases and his favourite bb's just like most others but he tries to act as though he does not.
I don't act like anything , I do have my favorites but I can separate them from what would win. I like Flex more than Ronnie but I'm not stupid enough to claim he should have beat him in 98 ;) I can separate what I prefer from what wins , the same can't be said about Team Nasser who thinks he actually won 3 Mr Olympia titles HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
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How do you know he never showed his true potential? ???
Here we have several fans saying his best was the 95 AC, which makes his career sound like a typical bodybuilder life-cycle - he improved from his first pro show, peaked at the 95 AC, and from there did not reproduce the same form again, finally (was it in 97?) he got sick and called it quits. If he went downhill from the 95 AC, why do you believe he still had more unseen potential?
His lower body still overpowered his upper, guy was making improvements still, and he was out shape in shows susequent to 95
Yes, its all ifs, but just like nasser discovered slin and synthol, so could mike
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Because Mike is closer to Nasser than , Levrone , Flex and Dorian were all of these guys were eons better than Nasser
I just like reminding Nasser fanboys that he was NOT anywhere near as good as they pretend he was. I didn't avoid anything I already said Mike outclasses Nasser from the back with ease , from the front Nasser stands a chance from the sides it would be hard to tell unless they were side-by-side
who you give these 2 side poses??.. and they are very fair comparisons.. in 94 NOC both were still before their peak and in 97 san jose both presented some thing close to their best.. by the way in 97 AC/san jose mike presented one of his best versions,.. he was big and conditioned so no excuse here.. he was not as conditioned as in AC 95 because here he was about 20 pounds heavier and this explains well that his best condition was when he was lighter and so most probably was not going to surpass his AC 95 version..
i dont think mike sickness started before this show!!..
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yes i agree with you this imaginary creature could beat nasser and dorian and ronnie ::)
nasser made massive gains with slin and oil, who wouldve guessed the original nasser pro rookie would be entering shows at 280lbs, when people thought he was pretty big back then already?
While we're all speculating, its possible mike couldve improved his upper body and while he may not have beaten dorian, he couldve been top 3 or 4
Or maybe he wouldve hit palumboism who knows
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who you give these 2 side poses??.. and they are very fair comparisons.. in 94 NOC both were still before their peak and in 97 san jose both presented some thing close to their best.. by the way in 97 AC/san jose mike presented one of his best versions,.. he was big and conditioned so no excuse here.. he was not as conditioned as in AC 95 because here he was about 20 pounds heavier and this explains well that his best condition was when he was lighter and so most probably was not going to surpass his AC 95 version..
i dont think mike sickness started before this show!!..
based on those pics, francois
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based on those pics, francois
great.. after tried your ass plz try again with your eyes now.. thank you :-X
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nasser made massive gains with slin and oil, who wouldve guessed the original nasser pro rookie would be entering shows at 280lbs, when people thought he was pretty big back then already?
While we're all speculating, its possible mike couldve improved his upper body and while he may not have beaten dorian, he couldve been top 3 or 4
Or maybe he wouldve hit palumboism who knows
francois in 95 AC was 240 pounds in a VERY excellent condition.. i dont think he could ever present any better condition than this.. so to imagine a better francois is to imagine him at the same condition of 95 AC but bigger.. but his following contests showed clearly that when he tried to increase his mass he couldnt present the same condition so it's more logical to think his AC 95 shape was his full potential..
imo same as nasser whose best ever for me was NOC 95 at 260 pound.. he looked impressive at +280 pounds but not as conditioned as at 260 pounds.. so nasser at his best condition was 20 pounds heavier than mike's best condition and when both added weight to their physiques the same 20 pounds were still there between them as nasser was competing at 280 pounds and mike at 260!!..
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He would destroy Phil Heath.
THE BEEF
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He would destroy Phil Heath.
THE BEEF
and this would destroy phil and mike 8)
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great.. after tried your ass plz try again with your eyes now.. thank you :-X
lol
Sherief,
Bbing is subjective
To you and bigbobs nasser is what bbing is all about evidently
Others have their own preferences (no homo)
Nasser beats francois on his contest record, but that doesn't make him better IMO
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lol
Sherief,
Bbing is subjective
To you and bigbobs nasser is what bbing is all about evidently
Others have their own preferences (no homo)
Nasser beats francois on his contest record, but that doesn't make him better IMO
Okay what does Francois beat Nasser on then which makes him better in your opinion? ::)
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Okay what does Francois beat Nasser on then which makes him better in your opinion? ::)
I don't know, because I never saw a prime francois vs nasser, since francois retired early due to illness
What I do know is nasser has a better contest record, but IMO, he's not better, since I prefer francois physique
Head-to-head from what we saw, I think nasser beats him on the front relaxed and fdb, otherwise I personally feel francois has the rest. Especially the back
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I don't know, because I never saw a prime francois vs nasser, since francois retired early due to illness
What I do know is nasser has a better contest record, but IMO, he's not better, since I prefer francois physique
Head-to-head from what we saw, I think nasser beats him on the front relaxed and fdb, otherwise I personally feel francois has the rest. Especially the back
I find it unlikely that Francois would have producd something better than before even if he were to not get ill because fans are saying his best was AC 95 which I believe was a good two years before his illness, so he had two years to produce something better but did, despite competing in several shows during those two years.
It's rare for any two bodybuidlers' absolute best showing of their career to both be in the same show at the same time, doesn't mean it's difficutl to tell who is better between the two. During the 96/97 shows that Nasser and Francois competed in together neither were totally off, both were close enough to their best showings, but Francois' physique faded in comparison to Nasser's, judges agreed too.
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Francois is similar to Clairmonte, Munzer, Pastel, etc. They all looked incredible when you look back from today, but they didn't always place that well. Nasser did place well, but I think most people prefer the look of some of those other guys he beat.
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It's rare for any two bodybuidlers' absolute best showing of their career to both be in the same show at the same time, doesn't mean it's difficutl to tell who is better between the two. During the 96/97 shows that Nasser and Francois competed in together neither were totally off, both were close enough to their best showings, but Francois' physique faded in comparison to Nasser's, judges agreed too.
agree nasser beat him fair and square, like you said, we'll never know, some will speculate he was on the way down, others that he would improve.
In a feature when he came out with the collitis revelation for having retired, he did say in MMI that he had been struggling with it for a while, not knowing what it was yet, so that could be a factor hindering his condition on stage
Either way, I prefered his physique, and he still felt like a new guy, a rookie with potential. Shit, back then, I didn't think nasser could get bigger, nor ronnie, who knows maybe francois couldve improved too
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agree nasser beat him fair and square, like you said, we'll never know, some will speculate he was on the way down, others that he would improve.
In a feature when he came out with the collitis revelation for having retired, he did say in MMI that he had been struggling with it for a while, not knowing what it was yet, so that could be a factor hindering his condition on stage
Either way, I prefered his physique, and he still felt like a new guy, a rookie with potential. Shit, back then, I didn't think nasser could get bigger, nor ronnie, who knows maybe francois couldve improved too
Nasser also had a few medical setbacks during his career but continued competing on (he describes them in his bb.com interviews) - we can similarly speculate "what would have happened had Nasser not had any setbacks, maybe he could have gained another 20 lbs and been harder, etc) but we don't, therefore I don't understand why there's so much speculation and "what if's" surrounding Francois only.
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He reminds of me Dennis James. Looks like Mr. O by himself, looks like an also-ran next to the top contenders on stage.
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Nasser also had a few medical setbacks during his career but continued competing on (he describes them in his bb.com interviews) - we can similarly speculate "what would have happened had Nasser not had any setbacks, maybe he could have gained another 20 lbs and been harder, etc) but we don't, therefore I don't understand why there's so much speculation and "what if's" surrounding Francois only.
what did he have besides the delt cysts?
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Okay what does Francois beat Nasser on then which makes him better in your opinion? ::)
Better back and quads.
All around balanced and conditioned physique at 240 lbs. Nasser didn't have a balanced physique and his conditioning was so-so.
Bodybuilders in that height range tend to look their best 240-260:
Yates 257
Coleman 246
Haney 250
Nasser looked decent at the '94 NOC, but when he added another 20 or so pounds he became watery and lost his detail. With all that added weight he still couldn't build a decent back.
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Better back and quads.
What crack are you smoking? Nasser's quads were much better than Francois' - at both the lower and higher bodyweights
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450443;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450692;image)
Only one bodypart Francois had over Nasser is back. You're also wrong on the "overall conditioning" part, also apparent in the above pics.
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who you give these 2 side poses??.. and they are very fair comparisons.. in 94 NOC both were still before their peak and in 97 san jose both presented some thing close to their best.. by the way in 97 AC/san jose mike presented one of his best versions,.. he was big and conditioned so no excuse here.. he was not as conditioned as in AC 95 because here he was about 20 pounds heavier and this explains well that his best condition was when he was lighter and so most probably was not going to surpass his AC 95 version..
i dont think mike sickness started before this show!!..
They look pretty close and the pics aren't really that great , if I had watched the video it would be easier to form a better opinion.
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and this would destroy phil and mike 8)
LMFAO I hope you're joking that Nasser would beat Phil Heath? and that version of Mike maybe Nasser would beat but he isn't even a pro and looks comparable
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Nasser also had a few medical setbacks during his career but continued competing on (he describes them in his bb.com interviews) - we can similarly speculate "what would have happened had Nasser not had any setbacks, maybe he could have gained another 20 lbs and been harder, etc) but we don't, therefore I don't understand why there's so much speculation and "what if's" surrounding Francois only.
We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that
Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been
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We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that
Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been
Improving from 94 to 97 yet you said yourself in this thread that 95 AC was his best performance? So how are the shows susequent to 95 AC an improvement? ???
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as i said before how are you so sure mike never fulfilled his potential??.. it's all guessing and cant be taken seriously.. a lot of top pros presented their very best very early in their careers and couldnt repeat the same shape again although they continues to compete many years after this!!.. flex at the AC 93,.. levrone at the olympia 92,.. dillett in 94.. even imo nasser's best was at the NOC 95!!.. so if it's a guessing why dont you guess mike would have not surpassed his ac 95 shape??.. i am not confirming he would have or not but i am saying no body knows!!..
It's easy to say Mike never fulfilled his potential , he competed as a pro for 4 fucking years and just 9 contests any moron can see he was improving , compared to Nasser who started competing in 1990 and stopped in 2005 , that's 16 years and he competed in 53 contests ! Mike placed 3rd twice at the twilight of his career , he was still competitive , Nasser on contrast on the tail end of his career was 14th and 15th places
Flex was a career best ever at the 93 ASC , he was outstanding in 93 Ironman and Olympia . however he was still winning contests late in his career he looked amazing at the 98 Arnold Classic , and at the Olympia he was still competitive until he got sick
And Levrone's best wasn't the 92 Olympia he still had no back , Kevin looked outstanding at the 94/95 Olympias and what I think is his best ever in 97 Finland ( easily ) and Dillett was always hit or miss , Shawn turned pro in 1988 and looked his best in 94 and 96
Again Mike only competed for 4 years with just 9 fucking contests ! Nasser did that many in 1997 alone ! , he was improving and we never seen the I think a career best Mike Francois
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Improving from 94 to 97 yet you said yourself in this thread that 95 AC was his best performance? So how are the shows susequent to 95 AC an improvement? ???
Working on weak points , improving his physique his back while dense and well defined lagged behind his lower body , he brought that up made it wider as well. Just because he didn't nail it every contest doesn't mean he wasn't improving.
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Working on weak points , improving his physique his back while dense and well defined lagged behind his lower body , he brought that up made it wider as well. Just because he didn't nail it every contest doesn't mean he wasn't improving.
What I'm saying is YOU just claimed that Mike Francois was improving until he got sick in 97, yet earlier you said Francois' best was 95 AC, so how can it be that he was improving over the years till 97 when his best showing was 2 years earlier? I don't think he was improving befor ehe got sick and therefore I see no reason to believe he didnt reach his potential.
Regarding nasser I think his best was 95 Houston to 99 AC - hard to pinpoint which show exactly was his best showing but I dont think it woudl be 97 Olympia even though he placed 2nd that year. I think 96 Olympia or 96 Grand Prix shows were his best.
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What I'm saying is YOU just claimed that Mike Francois was improving until he got sick in 97, yet earlier you said Francois' best was 95 AC, so how can it be that he was improving over the years till 97 when his best showing was 2 years earlier? I don't think he was improving befor ehe got sick and therefore I see no reason to believe he didnt reach his potential.
Regarding nasser I think his best was 95 Houston to 99 AC - hard to pinpoint which show exactly was his best showing but I dont think it woudl be 97 Olympia even though he placed 2nd that year. I think 96 Olympia or 96 Grand Prix shows were his best.
I just explained to you how he was improving , refining his physique , balancing it out , etc . I think his best contest showing was the 95 Arnold Classic it doesn't mean he couldn't surpass that in subsequent years and maybe the reason he wasn't improving in 96/97 was because he was sick? again 9 contests in his entire career there is no way on earth you can say he reached his absolute best or didn't have room to improve , hell Ronnie and Jay didn't hit their strides until late into their careers
I think Nasser looked his absolute best at the 95 Houston , 268lbs and hard as nails even his back was good , past 95 his back disappeared and his conditioning ( particularly from the back ) started to wain.
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I just explained to you how he was improving , refining his physique , balancing it out , etc . I think his best contest showing was the 95 Arnold Classic it doesn't mean he couldn't surpass that in subsequent years and maybe the reason he wasn't improving in 96/97 was because he was sick? again 9 contests in his entire career there is no way on earth you can say he reached his absolute best or didn't have room to improve , hell Ronnie and Jay didn't hit their strides until late into their careers
I think Nasser looked his absolute best at the 95 Houston , 268lbs and hard as nails even his back was good , past 95 his back disappeared and his conditioning ( particularly from the back ) started to wain.
How many contests did he enter after the 95 AC? I think six over two years? If he had more potential I think it's likely he would have displayed it in one of those shows, it's not as though his career came to a sudden end after the 95 AC. He had many chances, and I believe he did not get sick until 97?
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ITT - Schmoes arguing.
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ITT - Schmoes arguing.
This is serious stuff!
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They look pretty close and the pics aren't really that great , if I had watched the video it would be easier to form a better opinion.
oh ya may be you want to say that like dorian mike was 3 dimensional and must be seen in reality to see his greatness :-X
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LMFAO I hope you're joking that Nasser would beat Phil Heath? and that version of Mike maybe Nasser would beat but he isn't even a pro and looks comparable
why didnt you tell the guy who posted the video of mike and said it would destroy phil "i hope you are joking"??.. you are telling me this because i said nasser would destroy phil, while you yourself said that may be this version of nasser would beat this version of mike :-\
and yes i was joking,.. sure nasser IMO had a much better overall shape, size, and, structure and was harder than phil but phil's back is much better.. so i can confirm unless i see them both at their best on the same stage.. and it wont be easy for phil as nasser was better in many poses..
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We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that
Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been
you are wrong as always.. mike reached his best in 95 so how to say he was improving until he got sick (in 1997)!!!.. why didnt he improve again in 96 and in 97 before the day he got his sickness :-X
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If politics and name are more prevalent at the Olympia its all the more advantage that Francois had over Nasser at the 95 Olympia! Francois at this point was winning all of his pro-shows, whereas Nasser's first win was only earlier in the year and at what was considered to be lesser shows (95 Houston and 95 NOC are considered lesser shows than the Arnold Classic which Francois one). So greater name Francois had established he still lost decisively in a show where you just claimed name is important - must mean the gap between their physiques was even wider than what would be expected from a 7th vs. 3rd placing :o
that's retarded, hope this helps.
Mike was off. Nasser was on...were you even following bodybuilding back then ?
everybody was talking about how flat Francois was at that show, he missed badly. Nasser nailed it. Name is prevalent at the O in the fact that the top guys are almost pre-oredained .....Neither Nasser or Mike were considered superstars back then, they were both fairly new
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It's easy to say Mike never fulfilled his potential , he competed as a pro for 4 fucking years and just 9 contests any moron can see he was improving , compared to Nasser who started competing in 1990 and stopped in 2005 , that's 16 years and he competed in 53 contests ! Mike placed 3rd twice at the twilight of his career , he was still competitive , Nasser on contrast on the tail end of his career was 14th and 15th places
Flex was a career best ever at the 93 ASC , he was outstanding in 93 Ironman and Olympia . however he was still winning contests late in his career he looked amazing at the 98 Arnold Classic , and at the Olympia he was still competitive until he got sick
And Levrone's best wasn't the 92 Olympia he still had no back , Kevin looked outstanding at the 94/95 Olympias and what I think is his best ever in 97 Finland ( easily ) and Dillett was always hit or miss , Shawn turned pro in 1988 and looked his best in 94 and 96
Again Mike only competed for 4 years with just 9 fucking contests ! Nasser did that many in 1997 alone ! , he was improving and we never seen the I think a career best Mike Francois
ok...
if we saw mike at the same condition of AC 95 but at 280 pounds he would have been mr. olympia..
if nasser had dorian's back he would have been mr. olympia 10 times..
if dorian didnt tear all his body he would have been nasser's runner up in these 10 years ;D
if ronnie was white he would have been mr. olympia for 20 times..
if dillett was training harder and posing better he would have been a top 3 at the olympia..
if ND was not a lover of dorian dick he wouldnt have seen him deserving to win in 97 with one missing arm and pregnant belly..
as you notice the keyword here is if.. and in mike's case it's all guessing and not a sure thing at all.. i personally GUESS it was not easy for him to come at his best condition at a bigger size!!..
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Blah Blah Blah....He was better than Nasser. he had a better look, he was rounder, his head was normal sized. he had a more refined and detailed physique.
Nasser was a blob of meat...poor shape, very little detail, and his head was too big
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there was never! a better bodybuild than beautiful man with glases when it comes to the size and condition game combo ,, no one ever looked as good in the 280s NO ONE,, not even ron colman ,, ron colman was more MUSCULAR freakier that was the reason he went on top,, his muscle shapes were freaky out of this world
but! no one ever look as good as beautiful man with glases in ther 280s ,,no one will ever either
gh15 approved
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^^^ somebody been drinking the funny pineapple juice
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there was never! a better bodybuild than beautiful man with glases when it comes to the size and condition game combo ,, no one ever looked as good in the 280s NO ONE,, not even ron colman ,, ron colman was more MUSCULAR freakier that was the reason he went on top,, his muscle shapes were freaky out of this world
but! no one ever look as good as beautiful man with glases in ther 280s ,,no one will ever either
gh15 approved
From the front ;D
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Some people are very confident about themselves ha
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^^^ somebody been drinking the funny pineapple juice
4 cans and going ;)
gh15 approved
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probably not fresh, make u hallucinate that beautiful man with glasses was the best
btw, on your new website, will there be a shrine to nasser the greatest?
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oh ya may be you want to say that like dorian mike was 3 dimensional and must be seen in reality to see his greatness :-X
Awww didn't get the answer you wanted so you make things up instead? You see Nasser as a clear winner and he simply wasn't you guys often see him as more than he was and are always making excuses for why he wasn't , nothing new.
I said they look pretty close , that's as honest an answer as I can give you should try it some times ;)
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why didnt you tell the guy who posted the video of mike and said it would destroy phil "i hope you are joking"??.. you are telling me this because i said nasser would destroy phil, while you yourself said that may be this version of nasser would beat this version of mike :-\
and yes i was joking,.. sure nasser IMO had a much better overall shape, size, and, structure and was harder than phil but phil's back is much better.. so i can confirm unless i see them both at their best on the same stage.. and it wont be easy for phil as nasser was better in many poses..
Because he's not as delusional as the ' Nasser is at least three times uncrowned Mr Olympia ' that's why. Because you guys are dumb enough to actually believe really moronic things like Nasser was really close to beating Dorian so it's not out of the question to believe you guys actually think this
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you are wrong as always.. mike reached his best in 95 so how to say he was improving until he got sick (in 1997)!!!.. why didnt he improve again in 96 and in 97 before the day he got his sickness :-X
Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser and just because he never quite matched this shape again doesn't mean he wasn't improving. So either way you're fucked he placed 3rd behind Nasser twice in 97 right before he got sick he was still competitive even though he got sick , again you have to factor in he only competed 9 times in 4 years and that's it
Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser
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ok...
if we saw mike at the same condition of AC 95 but at 280 pounds he would have been mr. olympia..
if nasser had dorian's back he would have been mr. olympia 10 times..
if dorian didnt tear all his body he would have been nasser's runner up in these 10 years ;D
if ronnie was white he would have been mr. olympia for 20 times..
if dillett was training harder and posing better he would have been a top 3 at the olympia..
if ND was not a lover of dorian dick he wouldnt have seen him deserving to win in 97 with one missing arm and pregnant belly..
as you notice the keyword here is if.. and in mike's case it's all guessing and not a sure thing at all.. i personally GUESS it was not easy for him to come at his best condition at a bigger size!!..
Thanks for not addressing one single of my points and admitting you can't. ;) no the keyword is not ' if ' because I never used the word ' if ' in my explanations. All your points were addressed and explained and you realizing you have nothing intelligent to say type this fluff? :-\
You look stupid as usual because as usual you're in way over you head and looking for a way out. Try learning what you're talking about before you try and argue with people who do. ;)
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The above comparison pic bdb with munzer and wheeler says it all, when in shape the guy was hard to beat.
I feel he still had some growing left to do, get the upper body to catch up to the wheels
He was never gonna be 280 and match nassers larger and taller structure, but wouldve held his own
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The above comparison pic bdb with munzer and wheeler says it all, when in shape the guy was hard to beat.
I feel he still had some growing left to do, get the upper body to catch up to the wheels
He was never gonna be 280 and match nassers larger and taller structure, but wouldve held his own
Mike was thicker than an industrial strength shit brickhouse---that pic says it all...
There was a pic in Musclemag of the 97 Arnold and Mike was doing a latspread---shit was off the meter.
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Blah Blah Blah....He was better than Nasser. he had a better look, he was rounder, his head was normal sized. he had a more refined and detailed physique.
Nasser was a blob of meat...poor shape, very little detail, and his head was too big
Mike was better looking to - no homo
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Some like myself prefer the francois physique
Others nasser
Sadly francois' career was cut short, and he wasn't able to get fanatical worshipping, soied underwear buying, nut hugging fans
But he left enough of an impact for us to still be talking bout him
(No homo)
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The reason Francois could not duplicate his 95 AC win was not due to his condition deteriorating but due to the lack of competition at the 95 AC. In 95 he beat an off Flex Wheeler, then later in 97 he got third to an On Flex Wheeler and Nasser. Had Nasser competed at the 95 AC or Flex Wheeler been on in 95 Francois would have also gotten 3rd in 95.
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Am I the only one who sees the contradiction between ND from yesterday to today? ::)
we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.
Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser
Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser
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The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother ;D
"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!" :D
Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day
Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them
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Am I the only one who sees the contradiction between ND from yesterday to today? ::)
typical ND so no wonder!!.. he likes to argue for arguing sake especially when it comes to nasser..
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The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother ;D
"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!" :D
Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day
Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them
because you are not taken seriously when it comes to nasser.. one day you say that nasser was an ugly block and one day you say he was one of the greatest ever!!.. before A23 became friends with nasser you were saying shit all the time about nasser then after they became friends you changed your mind and saw nasser a nice guy whom you would like to meet... but for your bad luck the wizard refused your dream to come true ;D
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typical ND so no wonder!!.. he likes to argue for arguing sake especially when it comes to nasser..
;D
Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.
I just like reminding Nasser fans he wasn't that special.
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The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother ;D
"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!" :D
Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day
Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them
Very true. Sherief I understand his obsession with Nasser because he is half Egyptian and that's the closest thing to a sports superstar who is from Egyptian decent. Bobs commits to a lot of stupid statements and always ends up eating crow and like you said just ignore it
It all stems from them building up Nasser so much they actually believe he was that good when in reality he simply wasn't and they DO NOT like being reminded of this , ignorance is bliss.
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Bigbobs,
You mentioned nassers illnesses
Besides the scar tissue build up/infection in delt, what other ilnesses did he have?
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Bigbobs,
You mentioned nassers illnesses
Besides the scar tissue build up/infection in delt, what other ilnesses did he have?
El-Sonbaty-ism
causes one to give extensive interviews to bb.com and out of the fucking blue trash all sorts of people and burn every possible bridge.
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Big SnBt
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The reason Francois could not duplicate his 95 AC win was not due to his condition deteriorating but due to the lack of competition at the 95 AC. In 95 he beat an off Flex Wheeler, then later in 97 he got third to an On Flex Wheeler and Nasser. Had Nasser competed at the 95 AC or Flex Wheeler been on in 95 Francois would have also gotten 3rd in 95.
More speculation on your behalf backed up with nothing as usual.
The guy competed in 9 contest and got sick but he couldn't ever improve and that's the best he was ever gonna look ::) give me a fucking break
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You've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and every time you're called on it you give the response that you're just trying to get us riled up or push buttons, when in actuality you were hoping no one would notice your contradictions. Like I said you have your biases and its evident in many of your posts. Can't really take your posts seriously when they contradict each other so many times.
because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser
What bias? where did I say Mike was better? where?
I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either
That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked
I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look
we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.
Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser
Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser
Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.
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Thong Wars.
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More speculation on your behalf backed up with nothing as usual.
The guy competed in 9 contest and got sick but he couldn't ever improve and that's the best he was ever gonna look ::) give me a fucking break
9 contests but OVER FOUR YEARS and he got sick after those 9 contests so its really not that short of a career to assess. Yeah if 9 contests are within one year and include 5-6 GP's and an Olympia back-to-back you can say there wasn't much to assess, but these 9 shows were spread out over four years and he had lots of time and chances to produce something better to beat Nasser with but simply could not and did not.
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You've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and every time you're called on it you give the response that you're just trying to get us riled up or push buttons, when in actuality you were hoping no one would notice your contradictions. Like I said you have your biases and its evident in many of your posts. Can't really take your posts seriously when they contradict each other so many times.
LMFAO I would hope no one would notice , dude I don't care stop projecting your emotional state onto me , I never touched this thread until I read the bullshit you typed and decided to correct it.You believe what you want I learned long ago that you think way , way to highly of Nasser and common sense wont bring you back to the reality
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9 contests but OVER FOUR YEARS and he got sick after those 9 contests so its really not that short of a career to assess. Yeah if 9 contests are within one year and include 5-6 GP's and an Olympia back-to-back you can say there wasn't much to assess, but these 9 shows were spread out over four years and he had lots of time and chances to produce something better to beat Nasser with but simply could not and did not.
You don't know when he got sick , you don't know when his symptoms started , more bullshit speculation on your behalf. 9 contests is NOTHING compared to Nasser's 53
You said he never came close to Nasser from 1995 on , I proved you flat out wrong on this in fact he placed right behind Nasser , I make no excuses for him not placing behind Nasser but it's very safe to assume we never seen the best Mike could be and he was still competitive before he got sick. He stopped competing at just 32 years old ! to say Mike he reached the best he ever could is stupid and ignorant
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Does anyone have comparisons between Francois and El Sonbaty from the early '97 shows? IIRC, Mike was about 260 and had much deeper separation in his quads than Nasser in the '97 ASC. And obviously, he didn't look like a mess from the back.
At the time, I figured Francois' superior balance should have garnered him 2nd place behind Flex. But I admit part of that was influenced by Julian Schmidt's LSD-induced contest raving review and not so much good pictures and video.
I will say this, though: I do think Nasser probably should've won the '94 NOC. Francois smoked him from the back (even though that's the best I ever saw Nasser's back look), but I'd easily give Nasser front biceps, ab/thigh and probably front lat spread. Side poses ... eh. I reckon Nasser took the side-triceps. Side-chest, I dunno. Mike's chest seemed to have deeper cuts from that angle but Nasser's chest was very hard and jutted out more. Most-muscular is tough to call. Nasser's delts were bigger, but both guys' pecs were very detailed from the front. Nasser knew how to hit that pose while Francois always seemed awkward, too bent over or something (?).
When Nasser won a year later, I'd suss he'd definitely beat Francois' form from the year before. And I also think Flex and Ronnie in the '96 show would've beat them both :) Well, Flex anyway. Ronnie was upwards of 240 by that point and shredded as fuck, but his posing was still very rough and compared to his arms and chest, his shoulders still lacked a little bit.
Of course, when he won the same show in '98, he'd passed Nasser, Flex, Mike and everybody else by a parsec or two :D
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You don't know when he got sick , you don't know when his symptoms started , more bullshit speculation on your behalf.
Neither do you! You are just speculating as well when you say he could have improved, did not show his best, etc. I'm going off of actual head-to-head contests between nasser and francois, where francois did not win any except for the pre-95 version of Nasser which as night and day apart from what he presented from 95 onward. So what if Francois retired at 32? You said Nasser's best was 95 Houston and he was only 29 at the time. Further speculation on your part to think that just because Francois was 32 he had more room to improve, especially when his best was apparently a show done two years earlier and tow years younger.
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Neither do you! You are just speculating as well when you say he could have improved, did not show his best, etc. I'm going off of actual head-to-head contests between nasser and francois, where francois did not win any except for the pre-95 version of Nasser which as night and day apart from what he presented from 95 onward. So what if Francois retired at 32? You said Nasser's best was 95 Houston and he was only 29 at the time. Further speculation on your part to think that just because Francois was 32 he had more room to improve, especially when his best was apparently a show done two years earlier and tow years younger.
No I'm not , unlike you who claimed erroneously that Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on ::) when in fact he did. You make shit up and try as pass it off as fact not the first time either.
Mike was still competitive and then got sick , again to claim he reached his absolute best physique wise is just dumb and even entertaining it was , he had all the tools to beat Nasser at his best no doubts about it.
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No I'm not , unlike you who claimed erroneously that Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on ::) when in fact he did. You make shit up and try as pass it off as fact not the first time either.
Mike was still competitive and then got sick , again to claim he reached his absolute best physique wise is just dumb and even entertaining it was , he had all the tools to beat Nasser at his best no doubts about it.
You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close." Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward. You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.
To say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation. Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age. Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.
When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol.
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You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close." Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward. You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.
To say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation. Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age. Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.
When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol.
You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close." Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward. You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.
I agree but we don't know how close they actually were unlike you who likes to pretend to know so. Like Mike just barely beat Nasser ::) again I'm not making excuses for Mike losing to Nasser he lost and I don't try and rewrite history ( like you ) my point was Mike was still competitive and if not for getting sick would have improved further. Would he have beaten Nasser? who knows but to act like he had his best shot and that was it is fantasy
o say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation. Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age. Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.
No it's not it's logic , why? because he was still competitive at the end of his career , he was still young and still only competed a handful of times. Many bodybuilders don't present their best at a younger age I can name many who didn't including Haney whose last contest was his best showing and it isn't the age per sa , it's the experience in competing 9 contest vs 53 , you do the math
When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol.
Wrong as usual. When you ' speculate ' it's excuses on why Nasser was never good enough and an attempt to rewrite history , Nasser was robbed , Nasser was the victim of politics , Nasser was to outspoken so he paid the price , Nasser should have won at least 3 Olympias , you and Team Nasser contradict history , reality and facts all the time , it has nothing to do with speculation
And Mike Fancois isn't one of my favorites at all , but he's better than Nasser even if he never improved , from the back he's eons better , from the sides hes comparable if not better , and from the front he's not as good as Nasser in some poses but he's more complete and better conditioned ALL OVER so he would win
You problem is you decided Nasser is simply more than what he was and even scoffed at the idea of Mike being compared , and I will always be here to remind just how mediocre he really was using facts and history to correct you.
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you awakn a beast bob lol
i hope you hav edictionary ready to go and all the nesasery documentation ,, since nd wil sleep on his computer through out this and wil stop eating for the next 24 hour in honor of mike
gh15 approved
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Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner
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you awakn a beast bob lol
i hope you hav edictionary ready to go and all the nesasery documentation ,, since nd wil sleep on his computer through out this and wil stop eating for the next 24 hour in honor of mike
gh15 approved
lol this is true but I am getting tired of the back-and-fourth because he does change his stance so many times. Earlier he was saying he does not know who i his opinion was better between Nasser and Francois, then he said Francois is better, then claimed he said so only to push my buttons, and now he's reclaiming that Francois was better lol.
Speculation aside, Francois had enough chances but did not and coudl not beat Nasser once he transformed from 94 to 95. The end.
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Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner
Nasser was the better competitive bodybuilder no doubts , could he beat Mike at his best? doubtful
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Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner
That's no contest - Nasser is the winner there, so the only straw the Francois fans have left to grasp is that Francois' best was the 95 AC and despite the fact that Nasser beat Francois numerous other times Francois is stll magically better because of the speculation that had Nasser competed in the 95 AC they don't think he would have won. That plus a second speculation that Francois may have improved even more if he continued competing after 97.
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lol this is true but I am getting tired of the back-and-fourth because he does change his stance so many times. Earlier he was saying he does not know who i his opinion was better between Nasser and Francois, then he said Francois is better, then claimed he said so only to push my buttons, and now he's reclaiming that Francois was better lol.
Speculation aside, Francois had enough chances but did not and coudl not beat Nasser once he transformed from 94 to 95. The end.
I said I never gave it much thought but now I have and it's clear Mike is better because he has less weak points and more strengths.
Nasser had many chances to beat Dorian and failed never stopped you from speculating
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That's no contest - Nasser is the winner there, so the only straw the Francois fans have left to grasp is that Francois' best was the 95 AC and despite the fact that Nasser beat Francois numerous other times Francois is stll magically better because of the speculation that had Nasser competed in the 95 AC they don't think he would have won. That plus a second speculation that Francois may have improved even more if he continued competing after 97.
You speculated that Nasser would have beaten Mike if he entered the 95 Arnold , yet ' speculation ' is a bad thing ::)
I'll say without a doubt Mike 95 Arnold would beat Nasser any year and why? less flaws , more strengths better conditioning , better poser ( yes he can actually hit the mandatory poses unlike Nasser )
No matter what year Nasser doesn't touch this back from head to toe and he's comparable from the sides and depending on the pose wins from the front , as usual Nasser loses against more complete better guys nothing new.
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You speculated that Nasser would have beaten Mike if he entered the 95 Arnold , yet ' speculation ' is a bad thing ::)
I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.
I'll say without a doubt Mike 95 Arnold would beat Nasser any year and why? less flaws , more strengths better conditioning , better poser ( yes he can actually hit the mandatory poses unlike Nasser )
LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)
At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses
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I'm glad to see that bobs' man-love for Nasser is as strong now, as it was 6 years ago, when he first professed it. You don't see that kind of commitment these days.
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I'm glad to see that bobs' man-love for Nasser is as strong now, as it was 6 years ago, when he first professed it. You don't see that kind of commitment these days.
I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater
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I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.
LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)
At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses
I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.
You speculated and now you're bitching about people speculating , hypocrite. ;) and Nasser beat Mike when he wasn't as his best ( not his fault ) could he do it when it was 100%? real doubtful considering he's not as complete or conditioned.
LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)
At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses
Oh the irony , says Mike just barely beat Nasser , I could go on and on and on about all the nonsense you typed that just because it was said doesn't make it true , again you're being a hypocrite.
I'm making no excuses why Mike lost ( you the hypocrite has had a long storied history of making excuses why Nasser was never good enough and always lost )
Did Mike 95 ASC lose to Nasser? nope and in all probability he wouldn't Mike is simply better for the reasons I explained.
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I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater
Maybe you need to pay attention more , he doesn't let me off the hook. ;)
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Maybe you need to pay attention more , he doesn't let me off the hook. ;)
Okay I must have missed it then.
Anyway I'm taking off from work and I usually don't post much at home, hope you have a good weekend (I do mean that :))
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Okay I must have missed it then.
Anyway I'm taking off from work and I usually don't post much at home, hope you have a good weekend (I do mean that :))
You to Bobs :)
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I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater
ND maybe a fan, and one who takes it [forensically] too far on occasion(s), but I've never noticed a creepy/skeevy vibe with his posts. And, I'll bet he has no Dorian 'sports memorabilia,' neither.
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Another thread where Opinions are a Million to one ether way, both Huge guys, Both with advantages, Francis with the V Taper and Better back Nasser with the chest and outright size factor who's better? under 250lbs with size and total conditioning Francis, over 250lbs Nasser.
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;D
Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.
I just like reminding Nasser fans he wasn't that special.
nasser was not that special??!!.. so can you answer simply why he was always referred to as the ppl champion and crowd favorite in the 90s??.. dont tell me because he was big or dillett too was going to be the crowd favorite and plz dont tell me you are pushing buttons ::)
as i said you just like to argue pretending to have logic and here when bobs showed your contradiction you were just pushing buttons :-X
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nasser was not that special??!!.. so can you answer simply why he was always referred to as the ppl champion and crowd favorite in the 90s??.. dont tell me because he was big or dillett too was going to be the crowd favorite and plz dont tell me you are pushing buttons ::)
as i said you just like to argue pretending to have logic and here when bobs showed your contradiction you were just pushing buttons :-X
Mass monster = very popular with uneducated fans , The only reason why Nasser was so popular along with Dillett
pretend to have logic? like Mike like never came close to Nasser 95 on despite placing right behind him in 3rd on two occasions in 97? pretend to have logic like Mike just barely beat Nasser despite never seeing the scorecard? Mike could never improve even though he only competed 9 times? I mean shoot I can bring up the Levrone logic as well? but you get the point.
I should just make things up like Team Nasser :D
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bobs is destroying ND in this thread the same way nasser was destroying mike here ;D
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Mass monster = very popular with uneducated fans , The only reason why Nasser was so popular along with Dillett
pretend to have logic? like Mike like never came close to Nasser 95 on despite placing right behind him in 3rd on two occasions in 97? pretend to have logic like Mike just barely beat Nasser despite never seeing the scorecard? Mike could never improve even though he only competed 9 times? I mean shoot I can bring up the Levrone logic as well? but you get the point.
I should just make things up like Team Nasser :D
dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..
it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..
as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..
and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..
and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..
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dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..
it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..
as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..
and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..
and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..
Jesus dude...take a valium
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You cant win nascar missing a wheel and you wont win a bodybuilding contest at olympia level without a back. Nasser was a great bodybuilder from the front and side but when he turned around he couldnt hold his own at NPC level, and it is a testament to how good everything else was that he placed so high in the top shows, with such a mediocre back, like Strydom with a back he could have been an olympia winner, but both of them didnt have one. Debate over.
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someone woke up on the wrong side of the camel this morning ::)
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Tolstoy would be proud
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Mike had a better back than Nasser---concede this and this thread is over
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=451170;image)
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Mike had a better back than Nasser---concede this and this thread is over
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=451170;image)
It is clearly the case, thread over.
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using the same logic:
mike had a better back than nasser------------ (fact no. one)
nasser's whole physique except the back muscles was better than mike--------- (fact no. 2)
a whole physique without the back > just the back.............. (fact no. 3)
result = nasser was a better bb than francois..
the thread is over :-X
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using the same logic:
mike had a better back than nasser------------ (fact no. one)
nasser's whole physique except the back muscles was better than mike--------- (fact no. 2)
a whole physique without the back > just the back.............. (fact no. 3)
result = nasser was a better bb than francois..
the thread is over :-X
try be objective
What poses besides fdb does nasser beat mike on?
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try be objective
What poses besides fdb does nasser beat mike on?
to be objective your question should have been.. "is there any pose nasser loses to mike beside the 2 back poses when both at their very best??".. and the objective answer should be "NO.. are you crazy?!!"..
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So after 12 pages we get
- Mike at his best looked better than Nasser and was only geting better meaning the best was to come.
- Sheirf and Bobs though I think are great fellas - they are blinded by cock lust for nasser - its ok to have faves but hey Mike is better.
- Mike is better looking than Nasoil - gh15 approved.
- Its time for Bobs to share his cutting cycle
- Sherif is fat
LOCK THREAD ASAP
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If the most of us were to wake up as a bber and the only choice was Nasser and Mike (bar his colitis), almost everybody would pick Mike...I'd pick Mike, damn near everybody in this thread would pick him.
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If the most of us were to wake up as a bber and the only choice was Nasser and Mike (bar his colitis), almost everybody would pick Mike...I'd pick Mike, damn near everybody in this thread would pick him.
Theres how many saying Mike over Nasser in this thread ? Bobs and Sherif have proven they cannot take there nasser hats off and look at it fairly so both there votes do not count - they cant as in there eyes nasser always wins which he doesnt in this case.
So the vote goes Mike 50 - Nasser 0 but GH15 thinks he is pretty :D
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So after 12 pages we get
- Mike at his best looked better than Nasser and was only geting better meaning the best was to come.
- Sheirf and Bobs though I think are great fellas - they are blinded by cock lust for nasser - its ok to have faves but hey Mike is better.
- Mike is better looking than Nasoil - gh15 approved.
- Its time for Bobs to share his cutting cycle
- Sherif is fat
LOCK THREAD ASAP
yes i am fat with detailed abs and 10% BF approved percentage by GH15 himself :-X
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yes i am fat with detailed abs and 10% BF approved percentage by GH15 himself :-X
;D
you know im only joking :D
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you know im only joking :D
and i am joking too.. i know i am kinda fat now.. :-X
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and i am joking too.. i know i am kinda fat now.. :-X
Time to hit the stairs/hills with Jimmy 8)
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Time to hit the stairs/hills with Jimmy 8)
have you seen the 2 new videos of jimmy and me??.. i have just put them in a separate thread ;D
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have you seen the 2 new videos of jimmy and me??.. i have just put them in a separate thread ;D
No ? what thread ?
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No ? what thread ?
here it's:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=408790.0
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here it's:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=408790.0
;)
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dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..
it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..
as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..
and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..
and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..
dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..
I never said he was as popular did I? I said he was popular like Nasser , like Gunther after him. Mass monster appeal to the base fan who doesn't know much about the sport but knows what they like and make excuses all the time why their hero was ' robbed '
it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..
Bobs said he never came close to Nasser 95 on which was a lie. It doesn't matter if the contest was between Nasser & Flex what matters is he was still competitive and still placing high and he had room for improvement.
as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..
Of course it's a joke when Nasser loses and the excuses makers start doing their thing , which one would you like you use this time? notice a trend here every time Nasser loses it wasn't simply he got beat by a better man , it was always something else , politics , race , name , it's always something other than the truth which is Nasser was NOT as good as you thought he was , facts and history prove this and this is exactly the reason I remind you guys constantly , Mike was better at this contest and deserved to win keep bitching & moaning it changes nothing.
and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..
and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..
the guy turned pro at 29 and competed until just 32 , he only competed in 9 professional shows , to suggest he couldn't have improved is foolish , and Flex has nothing to do with Mike , Haney turned pro in 1982 and didn't look his absolute best until 10 years later at the 1991 Olympia , he said he just learned how to peak , Ronnie Coleman ring a bell? Jay Cutler? and who cares about if he could so much? I will say right now the physique he brought to the 95 Arnold would beat ANY version of Nasser because of the same reason Nasser usually lost , Mike was more complete , had better overall conditioning ( an entire well defined back , detailed and dense ) and could actually pose correctly , so cling to Mike never beat Nasser after 94 because Nasser never faced Mike 95 ASC and if he did he would lose like he lost to Dorian because Nasser would win a couple of front poses , lose from the side and get obliterated from the back .
the bottom line is Nasser wasn't as good as you guys pretend he was , facts & history confirm this your excuses and denial don't.
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using the same logic:
mike had a better back than nasser------------ (fact no. one)
nasser's whole physique except the back muscles was better than mike--------- (fact no. 2)
a whole physique without the back > just the back.............. (fact no. 3)
result = nasser was a better bb than francois..
the thread is over :-X
Yes you tried this retard logic using Dorian vs Nasser , yet Nasser never came close to Dorian and always fell flat on his face , oh wait that was because of the racist judges who victimized Nasser , that's right :'(
Nasser like Flex said = overrated 8)
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You cant win nascar missing a wheel and you wont win a bodybuilding contest at olympia level without a back. Nasser was a great bodybuilder from the front and side but when he turned around he couldnt hold his own at NPC level, and it is a testament to how good everything else was that he placed so high in the top shows, with such a mediocre back, like Strydom with a back he could have been an olympia winner, but both of them didnt have one. Debate over.
YUP....and these guys have no clue how poor Nasser was from the back, it was terrible, and it killed him.
Bobs or Sharief have never seen Nasser in person at a contest. I have, I was right behind the judges table at the 98 Olympia, I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who's been to contests, not trying to brag, but the point is....actually being at the show and seeing them live is completely different than seeing pics online.
When Nasser came out and started hitting his front shots , everything is fine, the crowd was "oohing and aaahing" and he looks really impressive and confident. but, everybody...the crowd, and the judges...are waiting for Nasser to turn around. You can feel it, the whole room is waiting too see if he brought his back up. And when he does, sorry guys......but that's the end for him. he looks TERRIBLE from the back, soft and literally squishy looking...no detail from head to toe. and it's even worse, because his confidence is gone....he's shaking like a leaf when he poses , trying SO HARD to make his shitty back non-shitty. and the whole room feels it, the judges are people too, and they see him literally deflate when he has to turn around.
He even started to cry,It was pathetic... because he knows no matter how hard he tries...now matter ow much synthol he puts in his lats and delts.....his back will always be a MAJOR liability. Flex wheeler was pointing at his back and laughing right onstage, and soon half of the auditorium was joining in, and the funniest was when some passed around a hat with "Nasser back fund" written on it and placed it onstage.
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He even started to cry,It was pathetic... because he knows no matter how hard he tries...now matter ow much synthol he puts in his lats and delts.....his back will always be a MAJOR liability. Flex wheeler was pointing at his back and laughing right onstage, and soon half of the auditorium was joining in, and the funniest was when some passed around a hat with "Nasser back fund" written on it and placed it onstage.
LOL
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YUP....and these guys have no clue how poor Nasser was from the back, it was terrible, and it killed him.
Bobs or Sharief have never seen Nasser in person at a contest. I have, I was right behind the judges table at the 98 Olympia, I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who's been to contests, not trying to brag, but the point is....actually being at the show and seeing them live is completely different than seeing pics online.
Pfft. It's not what you see; it's what you want to see that counts.
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haha, thats so good it almost sounds made up ;D
YUP....and these guys have no clue how poor Nasser was from the back, it was terrible, and it killed him.
Bobs or Sharief have never seen Nasser in person at a contest. I have, I was right behind the judges table at the 98 Olympia, I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who's been to contests, not trying to brag, but the point is....actually being at the show and seeing them live is completely different than seeing pics online.
When Nasser came out and started hitting his front shots , everything is fine, the crowd was "oohing and aaahing" and he looks really impressive and confident. but, everybody...the crowd, and the judges...are waiting for Nasser to turn around. You can feel it, the whole room is waiting too see if he brought his back up. And when he does, sorry guys......but that's the end for him. he looks TERRIBLE from the back, soft and literally squishy looking...no detail from head to toe. and it's even worse, because his confidence is gone....he's shaking like a leaf when he poses , trying SO HARD to make his shitty back non-shitty. and the whole room feels it, the judges are people too, and they see him literally deflate when he has to turn around.
He even started to cry,It was pathetic... because he knows no matter how hard he tries...now matter ow much synthol he puts in his lats and delts.....his back will always be a MAJOR liability. Flex wheeler was pointing at his back and laughing right onstage, and soon half of the auditorium was joining in, and the funniest was when some passed around a hat with "Nasser back fund" written on it and placed it onstage.
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haha, thats so good it almost sounds made up ;D
I predict two things...
Sharief will post my bulked up picture when I was 260+..and call me droopy chest and big belly,
and then he will break out the "big guns"...and say I'm just Mad because i "wanted to meet Nasser" ::) :D
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there was never! a better bodybuild than beautiful man with glases when it comes to the size and condition game combo ,, no one ever looked as good in the 280s NO ONE,, not even ron colman ,, ron colman was more MUSCULAR freakier that was the reason he went on top,, his muscle shapes were freaky out of this world
but! no one ever look as good as beautiful man with glases in ther 280s ,,no one will ever either
gh15 approved
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Francois at 255lbs 1997 BFTO.
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Nasser 1997 BFTO
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Thanks iceman
Great shots
Francois was clearly superior
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Thanks iceman
Great shots
Francois was clearly superior
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i can understand when you say mike's version of AC 95 was superior but this above version of him was far away from his best.. nasser too in these shots was not at his best but clearly MUCH better than mike of 97!!.. this is why nasser came in 2nd at the olympia and mike was out of the top 10 :-X
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Nasser 1997 BFTO
i always wonder what happend after 1996 to his body
1996 he trained like an animal and looked phenomenal
1999 he allready looked no longer like he belongs to the top contenders with his sythol arms and shoulders
what happend troughout his 1999-2004 downhill course is terrible
was it all a result of tearing his biceps ca 1998 and a lighter less intense training or was his body no longer accepting the enormous amount of drugs (insulin)?
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i can understand when you say mike's version of AC 95 was superior but this above version of him was far away from his best.. nasser too in these shots was not at his best but clearly MUCH better than mike of 97!!.. this is why nasser came in 2nd at the olympia and mike was out of the top 10 :-X
you do know why francois retired?
Do you know how he found out? And when it started occuring?
Let's just say dieting wasn't the best thing for it, and it was a bit more serious than an infection from injecting synthol in delts
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you do know why francois retired?
Do you know how he found out? And when it started occuring?
Let's just say dieting wasn't the best thing for it, and it was a bit more serious than an infection from injecting synthol in delts
but we are not talking about francois illness (which for sure i am sorry for him) but we are comparing these 2 pros now and you said francois in these BBTO 97 pics was better than nasser at the exact same time before the olympia.. but this cant be right because it's crystal clear from these pics that nasser was in a better condition and carried a lot more muscles on him.. also their placings at the olympia a week or so later confirmed nasser superiority.. he got 2nd and mike got 11th!!.. was not even close..
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but we are not talking about francois illness (which for sure i am sorry for him) but we are comparing these 2 pros now and you said francois in these BBTO 97 pics was better than nasser at the exact same time before the olympia.. but this cant be right because it's crystal clear from these pics that nasser was in a better condition and carried a lot more muscles on him.. also their placings at the olympia a week or so later confirmed nasser superiority.. he got 2nd and mike got 11th!!.. was not even close..
m not disputing nasser beat him at the show, the placings say that
In those pics nasser is bigger, but does not look anywhere near his best and def not better than mike
With regards to illness, that's exactly why he placed 11th and then things got worse and worse for the guy