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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: diamondcut on February 08, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
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If they want to find a job they have to lie in their resume. Omit the college degree.
They won't find a job in their field but they will find a job once they are in they'll be able to climb their way up. Thats what i did.
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
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live the good life for a year and then get a shitty 30k/yr job and pay off their 100k student loans that they aren't able to default on, lol
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live the good life for a year and then get a shitty 30k/yr job and pay off their 100k student loans that they aren't able to default on, lol
QFT. What a shitty boat to be in. The American dream ::)
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i think this is supposedly the first generation where they will be worse off then their parents. usually all future generations up to this point have been better off, but nope! we're regressing into a second dark age, and there's nothing we can do about it. like being a passenger in a slow moving car crash.
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I was an unemployed law school graduate/attorney for about a year. I slept, ate every 2-3 hours, trained...made pretty decent progress as a natural warrior. Then I found a job and discovered gear. :o
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Burp the baby is my guess.
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The curse their advisors for recommending they go for a liberal arts degree.
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They probably talk about their friend behind his back. Their gay friend that "follows" bodybuilding and posts on a gay muscle worship messageboard named "getbig".
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lol...the exact same thing is happening in all occident, whole europe etc. What are you guys thinking. Spoonfed by single moms kids with useless diplomas who dont want to do "the shitty jobs" immigrants coming from the third world who replace them by breeding ten times faster will take . And the elites at the top of the pyramid are laughing their asses off.
In the end only the more mature ones get it, and it doenst required any diploma , "intelligence", but only heart and faith.
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Burping the baby is my guess.
while woman goes to...work !
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Just about every successful person started from the ground and moved up. Todays college grads think they are going to have a corner office and a secretary because a company is so impressed with their college degree. Todays college degree is just like an advanced high school diploma.
If you are not going to college to learn a trade like a chemical engineer, attorney, Pharmacist, teacher, or something like that you are wasting money going to an expensive college. You might as well take that 100K that you would use to pay for that 4 year degree and open a sandwich shop. At least you will have a job.
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
they should join the military
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
Degrees are overrated. Education is a fucking scam to collect money. I can understand Doctors, scientists, teachers etc... But a business degree from Some community college is bullshit. You either have common sense or you don't.
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The ones I know are dealing drugs mainly.
The more respectable ones are taking jobs that they could have gotten without their degrees, just to put food on the table.
Others are taking out more student loans and getting more useful degrees, usually involving healthcare.
The one that bugs me the most is a 25 year old that is a drug dealer. He is living the cool part of it....racking in dough, feeling
invincible (nothing has happened to him yet). He is a good kid, but I almost smacked him when he told me he turned down his first
job offer after college.....45k early plus benefits. It's this stupid pop culture crap where everyone things you have to be 'ballinnnn'
or you are a loser. I would have been ecstatic if I was offered that as starting pay after college, especially in these economic times.
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live the good life for a year and then get a shitty 30k/yr job and pay off their 100k student loans that they aren't able to default on, lol
Getting 100k in debt for a shitty degree ain't too bright either
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If they want to find a job they have to lie in their resume. Omit the college degree.
They won't find a job in their field but they will find a job once they are in they'll be able to climb their way up. Thats what i did.
Entry level jobs do exist. The trouble is most college graduates do not want those jobs because they want to start out in management making $80k. God forbid someone with no experience and a bachelor’s degree in psychology or history should start out making $35-40k. Here’s an example of exactly what I mean:
American Dream Is Elusive for New Generation
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/business/economy/07generation.html
The kid featured in this article has zero experience yet he is turning down a job offer... lucky for him mom, dad, and grandparents are willing to pay his bills for months/years while he waits for something better to come along. ::)
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The unemployed either spend their days living off someone elses dime or they do what they have to do; anything to earn a buck. I don't agree that college degrees are useless. Those stating that a degree is useless likely have never stepped onto a college campus. A High School education today is a joke. A college education is beneficial in many ways.
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The unemployed either spend their days living off someone elses dime or they do what they have to do; anything to earn a buck. I don't agree that college degrees are useless. Those stating that a degree is useless likely have never stepped onto a college campus. A High School education today is a joke. A college education is beneficial in many ways.
Lol, I have been to college. Didn't graduate, but it was no different then my highschool experience. They don't give a shit since they know you are paying to go there. It all depends on what degree you get, and it should be from a state college.
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I was an unemployed law school graduate/attorney for about a year. I slept, ate every 2-3 hours, trained...made pretty decent progress as a natural warrior. Then I found a job and discovered gear. :o
Bullshit. The White Wizard discovered YOU.
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they should join the military
thats my plan. ill have my diploma finished in 2 months and then ill join up. nothing wrong with spending some time in green, and its easy to get a job in my field with some military experience.
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Lol, I have been to college. Didn't graduate, but it was no different then my highschool experience. They don't give a shit since they know you are paying to go there. It all depends on what degree you get, and it should be from a state college.
You didn't graduate thats why you feel the way you do. You put in nothing and you gained nothing. Professors aren't there to coddle you. You do the work or you don't. Why should a degree be from a State College? Are you saying universities such as University of Miami are inferior schools?
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Just about every successful person started from the ground and moved up. Todays college grads think they are going to have a corner office and a secretary because a company is so impressed with their college degree. Todays college degree is just like an advanced high school diploma.
If you are not going to college to learn a trade like a chemical engineer, attorney, Pharmacist, teacher, or something like that you are wasting money going to an expensive college. You might as well take that 100K that you would use to pay for that 4 year degree and open a sandwich shop. At least you will have a job.
Who's gonna give you 100k to open a sandwich shop without a college degree, genius?
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i like how no one is calling schools greedy for taking kids money adn the government's money
i hate how in today's culture kid's egos are bloated from day 1, every day they hear that they are a super star, that their opinion matters, be a leader not a follower lol
it really slows them down
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You didn't graduate thats why you feel the way you do. You put in nothing and you gained nothing. Professors aren't there to coddle you. You do the work or you don't. Why should a degree be from a State College? Are you saying universities such as University of Miami are inferior schools?
x2 ::)
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for the record, i'm pretty sure tbombz never finished college so any of your Tbombz jokes in this thread have been negated
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You didn't graduate thats why you feel the way you do. You put in nothing and you gained nothing. Professors aren't there to coddle you. You do the work or you don't. Why should a degree be from a State College? Are you saying universities such as University of Miami are inferior schools?
Sorry, thats what I meant. Community, and online colleges are scams. Business degree=common sense to me.
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thats my plan. ill have my diploma finished in 2 months and then ill join up. nothing wrong with spending some time in green, and its easy to get a job in my field with some military experience.
Police agencies love military backrounds. Also, you likely will have it easy in the military considering the pullout from the middle east.
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btw, you all do realize that the punchline to this thread is: "they come on here and discuss how Diet Soda makes you fat and how Christopher Hitchens was a "brave, genius" "
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College was fun. But what a joke and absolute waste of money.
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It's funny how recent grads think it's a new phenomenon that they can't get a job out of college. It's never been easy getting your first job, it's the disadvantaged time of your entire career.
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I fucking copy and pasted my essays from English class, and I still passed. I was going to school for graphic design, so classes like photoshop, autocad, and Illustrator were vital. All of those math, science, english classes etc... were designed to suck your wallet dry.
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College was fun. But what a joke and absolute waste of money.
x2. College is a big party that you pay for. I am not talking about people that go for real careers like doctors, Lawyers etc.....
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50k unemployed lawyers in nyc, guess again
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they should join the military
horn tooting here, but I graduated at the top of my class at a decent business school in 2006,
and I couldn't find shit for work.
Joining the military as an officer has crossed my mind over and over, especially when I get
fed up with the stress of funning my own business that is struggling in this recession.
I think there is a lot of opportunity in the military if you show them are are wanting more than
the average Joe.
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50k unemployed lawyers in nyc, guess again
It's still a valid career.
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The unemployed either spend their days living off someone elses dime or they do what they have to do; anything to earn a buck. I don't agree that college degrees are useless. Those stating that a degree is useless likely have never stepped onto a college campus. A High School education today is a joke. A college education is beneficial in many ways.
I've got 2 degrees. They're useless!
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Getting 100k in debt for a shitty degree ain't too bright either
all degrees from liberal arts colleges are shitty degrees, lol
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horn tooting here, but I graduated at the top of my class at a decent business school in 2006,
and I couldn't find shit for work.
Joining the military as an officer has crossed my mind over and over, especially when I get
fed up with the stress of funning my own business that is struggling in this recession.
I think there is a lot of opportunity in the military if you show them are are wanting more than
the average Joe.
Bullshit. You are either a horrible interview or you are full of shit. My company is currently scraping the bottom of the barrel, most without degrees for 45-50K a year. Maybe you need to lower your standards a bit.
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I've got 2 degrees. They're useless!
wow man, get a blanket before you freeze to death!
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all degrees from liberal arts colleges are shitty degrees, lol
You basically went to Highschool again. lol
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college is about education
college is not a trade school
If you want to learn about Stendhal or study Darwin then college is fine
but if you want to learn to make a living then learn a trade as soon as you get out high school
also, it's not the colleges fault. College's offer "higher education"...they don't offer "job/financial security"
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Police agencies love military backrounds. Also, you likely will have it easy in the military considering the pullout from the middle east.
Many college dropouts do so because they never make the mental leap from high school to college. In high school, students tend to think “It’s me vs. the teacher!” Wrong. In college you quickly learn (if you’re smart) that “It’s me vs. the other students!” Your competition is not the professor. Remember, he or she already has multiple degrees and in many cases teaching is not even their primary concern—they are focused on their own research and scholarship.
Your competition is the other students. Who is willing to study harder, work harder, learn more languages (spoken, computer, etc.), acquire more skills, and become socialized more quickly into a professional field? The student(s) who does that, does it well, effectively wins the race into a job or graduate/professional school. Shizzo81 never understood that. He lost the race. Of course, one can go on to a measure of prosperity without college; there are significant examples of this, but the odds are against it. I would never let a child in my family drop out of college. :-X
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college is about education
college is not a trade school
If you want to learn about Stendhal or study Darwin then college is fine
but if you want to learn to make a living then learn a trade as soon as you get out high school
also, it's not the colleges fault. College's offer "higher education"...they don't offer "job/financial security"
I agree there. It's your choice in what you major in.
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college is about education
college is not a trade school
If you want to learn about Stendhal or study Darwin then college is fine
but if you want to learn to make a living then learn a trade as soon as you get out high school
also, it's not the colleges fault. College's offer "higher education"...they don't offer "job/financial security"
but that's what they tell all the kids in high school. that's what all the teachers and politicians and the media tells them - they need to go to college, and once they graduate then they just effortlessly earn a middle class salary with any college education. reality is obviously different but i doubt most kids pursuing their philosophy degree realize it won't earn them anything more than a better position at walmart.
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Once again it's about who you know.
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i doubt most kids pursuing their philosophy degree realize it won't earn them anything more than a better position at walmart.
by the time they reach 30 they will hopefully realize this...however, by then it is too late
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but that's what they tell all the kids in high school. that's what all the teachers and politicians and the media tells them - they need to go to college, and once they graduate then they just effortlessly earn a middle class salary with any college education. reality is obviously different but i doubt most kids pursuing their philosophy degree realize it won't earn them anything more than a better position at walmart.
I work at Wal-mart bitch. ;D
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college = 13-16 grade
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thats my plan. ill have my diploma finished in 2 months and then ill join up. nothing wrong with spending some time in green, and its easy to get a job in my field with some military experience.
join the navy for the traveling, make it with your while
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College was fun. But what a joke and absolute waste of money.
College is never a waste but for your career it wasn't necessary. When you started police work agencies were giving sign on bonuses to join them. Now some want a four year degree and a stellar backround.
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Police agencies love military backrounds. Also, you likely will have it easy in the military considering the pullout from the middle east.
yeah that exactly why ill be joining the reserve when i have my diploma in hand. a couple years in the service and i can either get a job in policing, or else stay in the military if it suites me. Im doing my practicum at a homeless shelter that takes in anyone, drug addicts, mentally disordered, etc, its been the best life experience i could have ever asked for so far, and when i finish there, along with some military experience, i will be able to get a job anywhere in the country. I cant justify spending more money to finish my degree when what I really need is relevant life experience to get hired. School can be useful, but spending huge amounts of loan money with no promise of a job afterwards seems like a poor life choice.
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join the navy for the traveling, make it with your while
my country doesn't have a navy, well not one worth speaking about.
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Bullshit. You are either a horrible interview or you are full of shit. My company is currently scraping the bottom of the barrel, most without degrees for 45-50K a year. Maybe you need to lower your standards a bit.
You may be right, since I have only been to two interviews in my life, and they weren't even the real deal.
Once was to be accepted to a police academy (they make surprisingly good money here), and both interviewing officers
said they were impressed.
In ROTC in college, a Major pulled my into his office just to tell me that he had been very impressed with my interview, and
had only come across 2 other people in his entire career that made that sort of impression on him.
None of it mattered. I started my own business and it went great for years. I am just tried of working 6-7 days a week,
and sometimes 20 hour days.
I don't need to lower my standards, I already said I would be ecstatic if I had been offered 45-50k starting after college.
Hell, I might be interested in that now.
Where is your company located?
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One of the many reasons why college is important is because college enhances your ability to become a critical thinker.
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One of the many reasons why college is important is because college enhances your ability to become a critical thinker.
My thoughts are that if you aren't going for something specific, like Lawyer, Doctor, etc.,
then all college is is a place to prove that you are devoted to getting a bunch of shit done,
managing your time, and having discipline. I have told people after all of my years of schooling
that I have been taught nothing.....except for how to learn.
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You may be right, since I have only been to two interviews in my life, and they weren't even the real deal.
Once was to be accepted to a police academy (they make surprisingly good money here), and both interviewing officers
said they were impressed.
In ROTC in college, a Major pulled my into his office just to tell me that he had been very impressed with my interview, and
had only come across 2 other people in his entire career that made that sort of impression on him.
None of it mattered. I started my own business and it went great for years. I am just tried of working 6-7 days a week,
and sometimes 20 hour days.
I don't need to lower my standards, I already said I would be ecstatic if I had been offered 45-50k starting after college.
Hell, I might be interested in that now.
Where is your company located?
Lol, I work for Wal-Mart. I work on the distribution center side of the business. They start Internal managers at 45k(not including bonus) which means you could negotiate for more. It's not great pay, but it's better then most people these days.
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One of the many reasons why college is important is because college enhances your ability to become a critical thinker.
Thats crap. You either have common sense or you don't. The smartest people combine street smarts with book smarts.
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So fucking sick of these threads.
Kids today need to start from the bottom, and not complain.
False as fuck. Were becoming a lost generation, you can't spend six years at shit jobs during this recession and think your gonna compete with the kids graduating from college in six years.
Fact of the matter is were all fucked, if you don't goto school your fucked, if you do your fucked, the generation was fucked before they even got into the game.
And all this crap about getting the right degree is utter nonsense.
Even engineer's and lawyers are having super fucking tough times. Sure they'll get jobs, but the odds of this generations talent being wasted on mid level shit is pretty fucking high.
The truth is were a declinning nation, and our generation is taking the brunt of it.
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So fucking sick of these threads.
Kids today need to start from the bottom, and not complain.
False as fuck. Were becoming a lost generation, you can't spend six years at shit jobs during this recession and think your gonna compete with the kids graduating from college in six years.
Fact of the matter is were all fucked, if you don't goto school your fucked, if you do your fucked, the generation was fucked before they even got into the game.
And all this crap about getting the right degree is utter nonsense.
Even engineer's and lawyers are having super fucking tough times. Sure they'll get jobs, but the odds of this generations talent being wasted on mid level shit is pretty fucking high.
The truth is were a declinning nation, and our generation is taking the brunt of it.
People laugh at me when I tell them I work at Wal-Mart. The truth, is that my job is more secure then those engineers and lawyers that are constantly getting laid off. What is the point of having a job when you have to essentially "hustle" to pay your mortgage? I wouldn't want to know what it's like to look over my shoulder constantly.
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I work at Wal-mart bitch. ;D
i worked there once too, contrary to popular belief there are actually good people working there that are just down on their luck. no shame in taking a shitjob, but it is still a shitjob and no one can live on those wages (at the minimum wage level anyways).
not really much people can do about that though, as it's just bad luck getting stuck in that position for a lot of people, and since wealth is a zero-sum system, not everyone can have a middle class or higher salary and the usa economy is shifting away from manufacture of physical goods to manufacture of intellectual property shrinking a lot of the middle class in the process.
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People laugh at me when I tell them I work at Wal-Mart. The truth, is that my job is more secure then those engineers and lawyers that are constantly getting layed off. What is the point of having a job when you have to essentially "hustle" to pay your mortgage? I wouldn't want to know what it's like to look over my shoulder constantly.
What pisses me off is were entering a world without engineers and lawyers, as essentially an entire age group is missing out in the proper experience.
Were loosing talent on an industrial level, which means this economic crisis is gonna turn into a labor crisis once the boomer have to give up their jobs.
Were like an army were all the gun are in the hands of seniors while all the youth are playing with flashlights.
I could car less if a "person" has a gun, but I want the "people" to be able to fight.
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Lol, I work for Wal-Mart. I work on the distribution center side of the business. They start Internal managers at 45k(not including bonus) which means you could negotiate for more. It's not great pay, but it's better then most people these days.
DUDE.....you may make 45K a year but don't you feel incomplete because you didn't get that degree in Spanish Literature ?
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I live in the mid west in canada. we have more jobs here then workers. the economy is red hot and they say we are getting a new potash mine every year for the next 15 years to feed global demand. We also are still pulling shit loads of oil out of the ground and have strong gold, diamond and mineral deposits.
The downside?? It gets really cold in the winter, like fuckin freezing -50 last month for 3 days straight. But i have never made more money in my life, and continue to rake in more every year(in 4 years have increased my gross income by $40,000 and started 2 new busniess)
My suggestion to anyone looking for work?? move here, it would be worth the struggle to get a visa and you can learn to deal with the cold. meanwhile ill be up here cleaning up!! 8)
Best part is i can afford my juice Lol!! :P
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What pisses me off is were entering a world without engineers and lawyers, as essentially an entire age group is missing out in the proper experience.
Were loosing talent on an industrial level, which means this economic crisis is gonna turn into a labor crisis once the boomer have to give up their jobs.
Were like an army were all the gun are in the hands of seniors while all the youth are playing with flashlights.
I could car less if a "person" has a gun, but I want the "people" to be able to fight.
Interesting observation.
Id agree, seems people in my age group expect to be handed 100k jobs and none of them want to do the footwork, they all want everything handed to them and they dont want to work for any of it.
Were gonna be in trouble when all those positions need to be filled, and we dont have qualified people to fill them.
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horn tooting here, but I graduated at the top of my class at a decent business school in 2006,
and I couldn't find shit for work.
Joining the military as an officer has crossed my mind over and over, especially when I get
fed up with the stress of funning my own business that is struggling in this recession.
I think there is a lot of opportunity in the military if you show them are are wanting more than
the average Joe.
Possibly losing your life because you can't find a job just doesn't seem right to me
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engineers and lawyers have some of the highest unemployment rate for people seeking employment in their degree, from what i remember. not sure about engineers i think it's just for certain engineering specialties. but i know lawyers have trouble finding work unless they graduate from a prestigious school with good grades, then they make a ton of cash.
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Lol, I work for Wal-Mart. I work on the distribution center side of the business. They start Internal managers at 45k(not including bonus) which means you could negotiate for more. It's not great pay, but it's better then most people these days.
that's actually a decent wage, i know wal-mart managers can make a shitload of money in bonuses depending on how the store does. like the regional manager can make over 200k/yr with bonuses
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that's actually a decent wage, i know wal-mart managers can make a shitload of money in bonuses depending on how the store does. like the regional manager can make over 200k/yr with bonuses
There is money in retail. It just depends on how high you go ;)
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engineers and lawyers have some of the highest unemployment rate for people seeking employment in their degree, from what i remember. not sure about engineers i think it's just for certain engineering specialties. but i know lawyers have trouble finding work unless they graduate from a prestigious school with good grades, then they make a ton of cash.
that's sooo true. They're lost of law school graduates and ones the just passed the bar applying for paralegal jobs. The last two firms I interviewed with (before my new recent job at a firm) was between me and a lawyer. They chose the lawyer. So he does the same thing i do with the same pay.
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There is money in retail. It just depends on how high you go ;)
Retail is just a big ponzi scheme, where he who hands the chinese profits fastest becomes king of the ring.
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
I don't know any successful person that didn't pay their dues in life and yes start at the bottom. There are so many examples. One guy I know is a construction worker that worked many 16 hour plus days and weekends/holidays. He started his own very tiny construction company. Now at 47 he bids and gets 50 million dollar plus jobs and employs 100's of people building bridges and roads.
I know I will get a lot fu's on this but the truth hurts. Being a slacker is one of the major problems with this generation.
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fwiw i have a lot of friends just out of college who took quite a while to find jobs, some of them have been graduated for over a year, some two years, and havent found a full time engineering gig
i can only imagine what its like right now for philosophy or psychology majors
my friends who studied economics or finance related actually are doing somewhat decent right now
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
I don't know any successful person that didn't pay their dues in life and yes start at the bottom. There are so many examples. One guy I know is a construction worker that worked many 16 hour plus days and weekends/holidays. He started his own very tiny construction company. Now at 47 he bids and gets 50 million dollar plus jobs and employs 100's of people building bridges and roads.
I know I will get a lot fu's on this but the truth hurts. Being a slacker is one of the major problems with this generation.
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I agree...
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i think this is supposedly the first generation where they will be worse off then their parents. usually all future generations up to this point have been better off, but nope! we're regressing into a second dark age, and there's nothing we can do about it. like being a passenger in a slow moving car crash.
Luckily I work for the Federal gov't. Fucking hate my job but for the first time ever I'm totally stuck. The private sector is shit right now for good jobs. I hate not having options and having to stay at the same place for a long time but what the hell do you do? I guess I should be lucky I have a secure job. But I hate that mentality: 'be lucky you have your govt drone worker bee job' :-X For the sake of our country/children I hope we can go back to the way it was, and not just a country of Wal-Mart level jobs. But I think you're right aesthetics, it's already in motion and all we can do is watch it burn.
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
I don't know any successful person that didn't pay their dues in life and yes start at the bottom. There are so many examples. One guy I know is a construction worker that worked many 16 hour plus days and weekends/holidays. He started his own very tiny construction company. Now at 47 he bids and gets 50 million dollar plus jobs and employs 100's of people building bridges and roads.
I know I will get a lot fu's on this but the truth hurts. Being a slacker is one of the major problems with this generation.
That's actually a load of bullshit. Todays generation works harder and is better educated on average than the generation before it. Your just trying to justify why were getting fucked.
Sure our attitude to work is alot less honest and far more cynical but that's simply a result of us being more aware of whats going on.
The past generation had a naive notion that working hard pays off and it's simply bullshit when you start crunching the numbers.
You can quote all the random success stories you want the reality is working hard isn't enough anymore.
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Post on getbig all day.
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Who's gonna give you 100k to open a sandwich shop without a college degree, genius?
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This genius is retired at 52 you dope living in a very nice house. I was making a point about the waste of money and not about how to get buisiness loans. What does getting a loan for 100K for a business having to do with a college degree you dope? By the way I did really well in college but it wasn't the reason for my success.
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Who's gonna give you 100k to open a sandwich shop without a college degree, genius?
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This genius is retired at 52 you dope living in a very nice house. I was making a point about the waste of money and not about how to get buisiness loans. What does getting a loan for 100K for a business having to do with a college degree you dope? By the way I did really well in college but it wasn't the reason for my success.
Brutal misquote.
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That's actually a load of bullshit. Todays generation works harder and is better educated on average than the generation before it. Your just trying to justify why were getting fucked.
Sure our attitude to work is alot less honest and far more cynical but that's simply a result of us being more aware of whats going on.
The past generation had a naive notion that working hard pays off and it's simply bullshit when you start crunching the numbers.
You can quote all the random success stories you want the reality is working hard isn't enough anymore.
Works harder than other generations? You have to be kidding me? Random success? Ya, it's all luck you slacker.
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Entry level jobs do exist. The trouble is most college graduates do not want those jobs because they want to start out in management making $80k. God forbid someone with no experience and a bachelor’s degree in psychology or history should start out making $35-40k. Here’s an example of exactly what I mean:
American Dream Is Elusive for New Generation
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/business/economy/07generation.html
The kid featured in this article has zero experience yet he is turning down a job offer... lucky for him mom, dad, and grandparents are willing to pay his bills for months/years while he waits for something better to come along. ::)
No most entry level jobs are around 20-30k. In a major city where your dollar won't go as far it could be closer to 35 or 40. The best ones are 50-70k and you need a master's or years of experience to even be competitive for an interview.
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no one i know who studied finance is in finance now, but somehow whatever gig they went into they went straight to the top
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Luckily I work for the Federal gov't. Fucking hate my job but for the first time ever I'm totally stuck. The private sector is shit right now for good jobs. I hate not having options and having to stay at the same place for a long time but what the hell do you do? I guess I should be lucky I have a secure job. But I hate that mentality: 'be lucky you have your govt drone worker bee job' :-X For the sake of our country/children I hope we can go back to the way it was, and not just a country of Wal-Mart level jobs. But I think you're right aesthetics, it's already in motion and all we can do is watch it burn.
TSA? You should be glad you got a job with the federal government.
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Retail is just a big ponzi scheme, where he who hands the chinese profits fastest becomes king of the ring.
unless you work at neiman marcus then youre spot on
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Works harder than other generations? You have to be kidding me? Random success? Ya, it's all luck you slacker.
Basic logic working hard does not equal wealth.
You have a shit understanding of logic.
All people that are rich work hard
Therefore working hard makes you rich.
Reality is most people that are rich statistically speaking got family money/connections/genetic gifts/or are just lucky freaks usually a combination of all of the above.
Part of the problem is my generation wants the cave man's dream, enough wealth to start a family. This is becoming more and more elusive as economists brag how through industrialization people are so happy they don't feel the need to over populate the planet. ::)
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Another killer out there right now, cost of living is going up, pay aint going nowhere. When I leave the grocery store I'm like WTF? I buy mostly bare bones essentials. No filets/lobster/exotic shit. Just milk/eggs/basic shit and I look at the receipt in total disbelief.
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One major key to life is RESEARCH and PLAN...don't care if you go Military, Trade School, College or whatever after HS...you need to have a LIVING and BREATHING LONG TERM PLAN so you can adapt to changes..don't just sign up for shit thinking things will work out just because you did what you THINK is ok because you were told this was the way to go by some commercial, some fool, a high paying job "title"....etc
I remember when everybody in the late 90's early 2000 jumped on the computer science program b/c of the "guaranteed $100,000" starting salary out of college bullshit. Don't be sold on shit like that (it's a $$$ generating scheme many fall for)..do some research on what is NEEDED for the next generation(s) and if it fits your M.O. and you like it go for it.
Right now they got so many damn fools in technology field it's a crying shame. Zero background,straight out of college and don't know shit and too afraid to learn new sh*t because they have no passion. Just "the hot degree" to have. The industry is flooded with complete dumb asses now.
Don't get me wrong there are "some" sharp kids coming out, but they are usually the ones who get it and are willing to work for it.....most i've met, interviewed, hired and fired....complete idiots with no passion for the trade.
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Reality is most people that are rich statistically speaking got family money/connections/genetic gifts/or are just lucky freaks usually a combination of all of the above.
Or black. I work for a fed agency and not 1 white male has been promoted in 3 years.
If your a black woman take a police test. You'll be Sargent and making 120k in about 3 years.
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Another killer out there right now, cost of living is going up, pay aint going nowhere. When I leave the grocery store I'm like WTF? I buy mostly bare bones essentials. No filets/lobster/exotic shit. Just milk/eggs/basic shit and I look at the receipt in total disbelief.
Word. I don’t do much shopping in my house; the few times I tag along or do the shopping myself I am totally shocked at how much groceries are. And as you said it’s not because you’re buying luxury items like lobster. Toilet tissue, a few boxes of cereal, some salmon, soap, eggs, veggies… you blink and the bill is pushing $100+ dollars. What can you do? You pay it… but I always leave the store thinking… OMG! How do people manage if they make $30k, $40k, or $50k? ???
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
I don't know any successful person that didn't pay their dues in life and yes start at the bottom. There are so many examples. One guy I know is a construction worker that worked many 16 hour plus days and weekends/holidays. He started his own very tiny construction company. Now at 47 he bids and gets 50 million dollar plus jobs and employs 100's of people building bridges and roads.
I know I will get a lot fu's on this but the truth hurts. Being a slacker is one of the major problems with this generation.
Speaking as someone of "this generation", I completely agree. Its pathetic how many people i have met in high school and university alike who have no work ethic and refuse to work more than 5 days a week, 6 hours a day. in order to get ahead you have to work for it, pay your dues within your company, and the list of people who aren't willing to do what it takes to excel is endless.
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I think I speak for alot of us on this but we lack the financial discipline of our parents/grandparents. My grandparents were from the depression era. They saved everything. Money/jars/cans/anything. It's like they were prepared to barter if necessary and actually I think they did. My mom especially inherited her parents ways. Almost everything they buy now is from yard sales. She coupons everything. And the funny thing is they don't really need to. But they have a shitload of money saved up. They laugh at us spending $200.00 on some Chinese made shoes, $100.00 jeans. I mean look at us. We're ready to kill for Jordan's and iphones. We're fucked. I'm starting to wake up a little bit. I'm wearing my chuck T's and the obscene amount of clothes I own till they fall apart who cares anymore if they're in style.
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Speaking as someone of "this generation", I completely agree. Its pathetic how many people i have met in high school and university alike who have no work ethic and refuse to work more than 5 days a week, 6 hours a day. in order to get ahead you have to work for it, pay your dues within your company, and the list of people who aren't willing to do what it takes to excel is endless.
If everyone's getting ahead, what exactly is left behind ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I think I speak for alot of us on this but we lack the financial discipline of our parents/grandparents. My grandparents were from the depression era. They saved everything. Money/jars/cans/anything. It's like they were prepared to barter if necessary and actually I think they did. My mom especially inherited her parents ways. Almost everything they buy now is from yard sales. She coupons everything. And the funny thing is they don't really need to. But they have a shitload of money saved up. They laugh at us spending $200.00 on some Chinese made shoes, $100.00 jeans. I mean look at us. We're ready to kill for Jordan's and iphones. We're fucked. I'm starting to wake up a little bit. I'm wearing my chuck T's and the obscene amount of clothes I own till they fall apart who cares anymore if they're in style.
Which is why they needed a global war/holocaust to fix their depression, I hope the fuck we don't go through the same horror.
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Word. I don’t do much shopping in my house; the few times I tag along or do the shopping myself I am totally shocked at how much groceries are. And as you said it’s not because you’re buying luxury items like lobster. Toilet tissue, a few boxes of cereal, some salmon, soap, eggs, veggies… you blink and the bill is pushing $100+ dollars. What can you do? You pay it… but I always leave the store thinking… OMG! How do people manage if they make $30k, $40k, or $50k? ???
x100 we struggle like crazy to pay for groceries while Im in school full time, and my wife is working 2 jobs, and we barely get by. I even had to apply for food stamps when I lost my weekend job just to try and make ends meet.
Were making it now but just barely. Cost of food just seems to keep getting higher and higher.
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Post on getbig all day.
that's what i do and make money off dividends :D
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Word. I don’t do much shopping in my house; the few times I tag along or do the shopping myself I am totally shocked at how much groceries are. And as you said it’s not because you’re buying luxury items like lobster. Toilet tissue, a few boxes of cereal, some salmon, soap, eggs, veggies… you blink and the bill is pushing $100+ dollars. What can you do? You pay it… but I always leave the store thinking… OMG! How do people manage if they make $30k, $40k, or $50k? ???
I buy groceries and fill up my truck once a week. Thats $200 right there. In a fucking week!
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you guys gotta know hwo to shop and how to cook
2 whole chickens from a halal joint, plenty of them in nyc
cut them up, take skin and fat trimmings and bones and make stock from them. which means throw in some water, NO SALT, celery, onion, carrot, and into oven at 200 degrees for 4-6 hours, not boiling but just about
take breast, cut it up into strips, take a some coconut milk with water, green thai curry paste, fish sauce, if u want also some thai veggies like thai chillies, baby eggplant, thai basil, but these are not necessary. also put some of the chicken stock in so that the chicken is not dry but nice and rich, and boil the chicken in the water + coconut milk + green curry paste mixture. u can saute some onion and garlic before u boil things. at the end ad a tea spoon or two of fish sauce, and squeeze several limes into it. do not boil after for two long as flavors of lime and fish sauce will cook out.
second dish, take the thighs and legs and cut them up. take some onion and carmelize them... this means in butter and on LOWEST HEAT FLAME with lid on skillet for 15-20 minutes, now take egg plants cut up in cubes and mix them in, thro winw hatever else you want like mushrooms or garlic FUCK IT ITS A PARTY, put in some stock and them some crushed tomatoes, cook until the eggplants are nice and soft or almsot soft, throw in the chicken and cook till done
of course salt and pepper to taste BEFORE u put in the chicken, u dont want the water to pull the sodium out of the chicken and make it dry, make sure there is more sodium in the water than is naturally in the chicken
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Word. I don’t do much shopping in my house; the few times I tag along or do the shopping myself I am totally shocked at how much groceries are. And as you said it’s not because you’re buying luxury items like lobster. Toilet tissue, a few boxes of cereal, some salmon, soap, eggs, veggies… you blink and the bill is pushing $100+ dollars. What can you do? You pay it… but I always leave the store thinking… OMG! How do people manage if they make $30k, $40k, or $50k? ???
debt. debt is how people manage to live, yet still paycheck to paycheck. debt has been the only thing driving the economy for the past 30 years as wages have depreciated. borrowing debt in order to buy things has been the only thing driving aggregate demand in the economy as real wages have decreased, however, as we've seen with the housing bubble crash, it creates a lot of instability as the debt is loaned on the premise that there will be continued economic growth in the future many times on the assumption of very large levels of economic growth, which is not always true and especially with regard to consumer buying power as that has been continually shrinking.
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you guys gotta know hwo to shop and how to cook
I do. ''hey honey I'm fucking starving''
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x100 we struggle like crazy to pay for groceries while Im in school full time, and my wife is working 2 jobs, and we barely get by. I even had to apply for food stamps when I lost my weekend job just to try and make ends meet.
Were making it now but just barely. Cost of food just seems to keep getting higher and higher.
Not only are prices getting higher but the products are shrinking like crazy. Cereal boxes are much smaller now than when I was a kid. Ditto for toothpaste, toilet tissue, toaster pastries... you name it. In fact, a while back one of those TV news magazines had a segment on it. They called it: The Incredible Shrinking Products. Vendors are charging you more and literally giving you less! :'(
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btw the chicken in coco nut and stock is what they call asian fusion lol, its because it's a thai dish but it has chicken stock, thai never ever use stock, for some reason they like their proteins to be cookd to hell and chewy
but the stock u put in there is less for the sauce but for the chicken, the liquid u boil the chicke in wont pull all the fat and moisture out of the chicken if the liquid already contains some of those things from the stock
big big principle of cooking that is good to know since eating well = happiness
and also why i say dont put salt into stock, because when u make stock u want everything from the veggies and trimmings and bone to come out, u do this by pulling the sugars and sodiums out which will force the flavor out into the liquid
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It's still a valid career.
what u talking about careers
im talking about out of work lawyers, every layer with a career is not unemployed
having a degree and no job =/= career
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Do you folks have wholesale distributors where you reside?
For instance, here in New York we have Costco's, which allows you to buy food and everyday products for wholesale prices and in bulk, thereby significantly reducing your costs in the long run.
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More than anything else, the individual no doubt has the most control over his life.
However, no one has stated the obvious in this thread! Obama. He's ruining our country.
We need to get him out, so that our economy can start to turn around again.
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One major key to life is RESEARCH and PLAN...don't care if you go Military, Trade School, College or whatever after HS...you need to have a LIVING and BREATHING LONG TERM PLAN so you can adapt to changes..don't just sign up for shit thinking things will work out just because you did what you THINK is ok because you were told this was the way to go by some commercial, some fool, a high paying job "title"....etc
I remember when everybody in the late 90's early 2000 jumped on the computer science program b/c of the "guaranteed $100,000" starting salary out of college bullshit. Don't be sold on shit like that (it's a $$$ generating scheme many fall for)..do some research on what is NEEDED for the next generation(s) and if it fits your M.O. and you like it go for it.
Right now they got so many damn fools in technology field it's a crying shame. Zero background,straight out of college and don't know shit and too afraid to learn new sh*t because they have no passion. Just "the hot degree" to have. The industry is flooded with complete dumb asses now.
Don't get me wrong there are "some" sharp kids coming out, but they are usually the ones who get it and are willing to work for it.....most i've met, interviewed, hired and fired....complete idiots with no passion for the trade.
hey man, are you in the engineering field?
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x100 we struggle like crazy to pay for groceries while Im in school full time, and my wife is working 2 jobs, and we barely get by. I even had to apply for food stamps when I lost my weekend job just to try and make ends meet.
Were making it now but just barely. Cost of food just seems to keep getting higher and higher.
Fuck bro. That about killed me to hear. Children?
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hey man, are you in the engineering field?
Yes. In systems right now for a prominent DOD contractor.
Before then I was an IT Director, Net/Sys admin, Sys analyst, Military Electronic Warfare.. Only 34 yrs old. BS and MS.
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so i assume you studied computer science or computer engineering in school? what college? how was your gpa?
are you big on gpa when looking at potential hires? what made you fire some of the guys that have worked for you?
also, you seem to have held down a lot of jobs, did you get laid off often or were you always looking for something better
i am intrigued, sorry for all the questions, thanks for your time K1
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so i assume you studied computer science or computer engineering in school?
I started computer science then switched over to network and systems engineering.
what college? AA in community college in Jacksonville, transferred to Barry University in Miami Shores for my BS and got my MS from Florida Institute of Technology.
how was your gpa? don't remember during my AA (was young and partying lol), BS got serious was older had like a 3.5 or some shit graduated cum laude. MS had like a 3.7 or something.
are you big on gpa when looking at potential hires? NOPE!!! Never even cared what the GPA was..in technology it's all about "how your mind works" and "do you have the mind for the field"
what made you fire some of the guys that have worked for you? They were not consistent with their interviews AT ALL. Please understand that most of us in the technology world our resumes look almost identical (only difference is age, years doing a certain job, certifications..yadda..y adda)
Interviews can be technical, HR style, Personality type..etc. I never cared how much somebody knew...I cared about "their mind" ..in I.T. it's all about trying, research, thinking, common sense...nobody knows everything or has every answer...if they say they do..don't even waste time with them. Technology is a changing field so the individual has to have that type of mindset or else they will be irrelevant in one year now.
Being lazy and not a fast, aggressive learner is not a good trait these days either.
also, you seem to have held down a lot of jobs, did you get laid off often or were you always looking for something better
I was laid off when I worked as a support rep about 10 years ago and I was laid off after 5 years as an analyst ..in both situations the jobs relocated/were bought out. The other positions were me wanting more of a challenge, more responsibility. (notice I mentioned nothing about $$$) the money came along the way basically.
i am intrigued, sorry for all the questions, thanks for your time K1
No problem man. Always willing to share as much as I can
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engineers and lawyers have some of the highest unemployment rate for people seeking employment in their degree, from what i remember. not sure about engineers i think it's just for certain engineering specialties. but i know lawyers have trouble finding work unless they graduate from a prestigious school with good grades, then they make a ton of cash.
The issue is that so many engineers don't have any people skills... they're just very technical individuals... and today's job market is looking at that technical resume, but they also want to know that you'll be a team player, potentially a good manager, a good negotiator, etc.
Thats why a lot of Engineering programs are starting to shift around their curriculum and introducing elements from business, public relations, etc. to build well rounded engineers that can do more than just crunch some numbers.
I can honestly say that sometimes I've felt that my people / business skills have benefited me more in the 'real' world than my Engineering knowledge. I'm not saying that my background in engineering is a waste. Engineering is the core, and you build and utilize other skills around it to get ahead and succeed!
Oh, And on another note, personally, I find it ridiculous that you have people taking out loans for $40,000 to pay for a degree in Dance at a private university (Yes I know people that did that)..... then they go cry "Occupy Wallstreet!" Wtf ???
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I haven't been married or had children yet. But my heart goes out to all you guys out there with mouths to feed. Idk how you do it. I live on my own and I am barely able to keep my checking account full. I sure as hell don't have a savings account. Nothing to put in it thanks to school loans, living on credit cards while going to school, mortgage etc. It almost seems impossible to even bring children into this world unless you're very well off. From the parents i've spoken to, the cost to maintain a child is astronomical. Then throw daycare in there holy shit! From a fiscal standpoint having a child nowadays is almost financial suicide for some.
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so i assume you studied computer science or computer engineering in school?
I started computer science then switched over to network and systems engineering.
what college? AA in community college in Jacksonville, transferred to Barry University in Miami Shores for my BS and got my MS from Florida Institute of Technology.
how was your gpa? don't remember during my AA (was young and partying lol), BS got serious was older had like a 3.5 or some shit graduated cum laude. MS had like a 3.7 or something.
are you big on gpa when looking at potential hires? NOPE!!! Never even cared what the GPA was..in technology it's all about "how your mind works" and "do you have the mind for the field"
what made you fire some of the guys that have worked for you? They were not consistent with their interviews AT ALL. Please understand that most of us in the technology world our resumes look almost identical (only difference is age, years doing a certain job, certifications..yadda..y adda)
Interviews can be technical, HR style, Personality type..etc. I never cared how much somebody knew...I cared about "their mind" ..in I.T. it's all about trying, research, thinking, common sense...nobody knows everything or has every answer...if they say they do..don't even waste time with them. Technology is a changing field so the individual has to have that type of mindset or else they will be irrelevant in one year now.
Being lazy and not a fast, aggressive learner is not a good trait these days either.
also, you seem to have held down a lot of jobs, did you get laid off often or were you always looking for something better
I was laid off when I worked as a support rep about 10 years ago and I was laid off after 5 years as an analyst ..in both situations the jobs relocated/were bought out. The other positions were me wanting more of a challenge, more responsibility. (notice I mentioned nothing about $$$) the money came along the way basically.
i am intrigued, sorry for all the questions, thanks for your time K1
No problem man. Always willing to share as much as I can
thank you so much man!
i will keep these things in mind when looking for my next mechanical engineering full time position!
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
If they have experience, they can do stuff. The problem is getting a job without the experience.
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If they have experience, they can do stuff. The problem is getting a job without the experience.
Thats why one has to settle for a job that may not pay so hot... and start to build up experience, work for a good company, get on some good projects, build some sort of reputation then later when you apply for another job, you have that on your resume!
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The issue is that so many engineers don't have any people skills... they're just very technical individuals... and today's job market is looking at that technical resume, but they also want to know that you'll be a team player, potentially a good manager, a good negotiator, etc.
Thats why a lot of Engineering programs are starting to shift around their curriculum and introducing elements from business, public relations, etc. to build well rounded engineers that can do more than just crunch some numbers.
I can honestly say that sometimes I've felt that my people / business skills have benefited me more in the 'real' world than my Engineering knowledge. I'm not saying that my background in engineering is a waste. Engineering is the core, and you build and utilize other skills around it to get ahead and succeed!
Oh, And on another note, personally, I find it ridiculous that you have people taking out loans for $40,000 to pay for a degree in Dance at a private university (Yes I know people that did that)..... then they go cry "Occupy Wallstreet!" Wtf ???
lol, i agree with you on all points. i graduated with some international students in engineering, they were very book smart but did not have people skills nor did they know how to communicate effectively in conversation (can't fault them TOO much though)
there are plenty of engineering grads who have no people skills yet their gpa's are insane!
my interpersonal skills have always gotten me where i wanted to go, although my gpa sucks i did graduate from a fairly prestigious university with a degree in mechanical engineering
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If they have experience, they can do stuff. The problem is getting a job without the experience.
the problem with things in some fields, is that there isn't much room for lateral movement. what i mean by this is that take mechanical engineering for example. say i had years of experience at an oil rig. yet for some reason the oil industry collapsed and i was without a job. if i wanted a mech eng gig in hvac, i wouldnt know shit about hvac
the experience is very specific for engineering sometimes.
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Thats why one has to settle for a job that may not pay so hot... and start to build up experience, work for a good company, get on some good projects, build some sort of reputation then later when you apply for another job, you have that on your resume!
With a 10% unemployment rate, their are people willing to take those lower paying jobs that do have a degrees tho.
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lol, i agree with you on all points. i graduated with some international students in engineering, they were very book smart but did not have people skills nor did they know how to communicate effectively in conversation (can't fault them TOO much though)
there are plenty of engineering grads who have no people skills yet their gpa's are insane!
my interpersonal skills have always gotten me where i wanted to go, although my gpa sucks i did graduate from a fairly prestigious university with a degree in mechanical engineering
Good for you man! All my school background has been in Engineering (Bachelors in Systems Engineering - With a minor in computer Science and a Masters in Engineering Management), and now working on a third degree in Industrial Engineering...
But my work experience has been all over, in finance, and business, quality, manufacturing, and consulting, etc....
You have to think of it this way "Your engineering degree is what will get you through that door to the interview... but its your interpersonal skills that will insure that you stay"
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thank you big ach,
unfortunately the economy is not so kind for engineering graduates these days (myself included)...
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the problem with things in some fields, is that there isn't much room for lateral movement. what i mean by this is that take mechanical engineering for example. say i had years of experience at an oil rig. yet for some reason the oil industry collapsed and i was without a job. if i wanted a mech eng gig in hvac, i wouldnt know shit about hvac
the experience is very specific for engineering sometimes.
When I was in prep in my 9th summer year. there were all about engineering. "Engineering is booming" " chemical engineers will always be needed more then the supply". My ass. I'm glad I didn't go into that shit.
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When I was in prep in my 9th summer year. there were all about engineering. "Engineering is booming" " chemical engineers will always be needed more then the supply". My ass. I'm glad I didn't go into that shit.
you know what though, they have said the same thing for healthcare
there are a lot of people who gave up their majors in college or went back to college for healthcare, to be a nurse (HOly shit there are soooo many people in my age group (young 20's) who are going back to school to be a nurse! gat damn!)
we'll see how that goes ::)
yes we all know engineering is pretty fucked right now, esp with the lack of funds from government and the shitty economy
i have a feeling that healthcare is the industry to look at soon, the collapse of it, rather
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what u talking about careers
im talking about out of work lawyers, every layer with a career is not unemployed
having a degree and no job =/= career
Some many Lawyers around here, they wait on me when I go to dinner.
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The issue is that so many engineers don't have any people skills... they're just very technical individuals... and today's job market is looking at that technical resume, but they also want to know that you'll be a team player, potentially a good manager, a good negotiator, etc.
Thats why a lot of Engineering programs are starting to shift around their curriculum and introducing elements from business, public relations, etc. to build well rounded engineers that can do more than just crunch some numbers.
I can honestly say that sometimes I've felt that my people / business skills have benefited me more in the 'real' world than my Engineering knowledge. I'm not saying that my background in engineering is a waste. Engineering is the core, and you build and utilize other skills around it to get ahead and succeed!
Oh, And on another note, personally, I find it ridiculous that you have people taking out loans for $40,000 to pay for a degree in Dance at a private university (Yes I know people that did that)..... then they go cry "Occupy Wallstreet!" Wtf ???
This is a very very very good point. I never liked "robots" ..robots think they know it all. I always like the guy or girl that could blend in some social skills also. Knows how to talk to the crowd then go into robot mode to get the job done.
100% Robots you keep in a room and don't allow them to talk to humans. You work the shit out of them and don't let them interact with anybody. The talker that has skills I feel comfortable he won't say something stupid and bring heat to the department. He/she knows how to put out fires without lifting a finger.
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When I was in prep in my 9th summer year. there were all about engineering. "Engineering is booming" " chemical engineers will always be needed more then the supply". My ass. I'm glad I didn't go into that shit.
you know what though, they have said the same thing for healthcare
there are a lot of people who gave up their majors in college or went back to college for healthcare, to be a nurse (HOly shit there are soooo many people in my age group (young 20's) who are going back to school to be a nurse! gat damn!)
we'll see how that goes ::)
yes we all know engineering is pretty fucked right now, esp with the lack of funds from government and the shitty economy
i have a feeling that healthcare is the industry to look at soon, the collapse of it, rather
Hard for me to speak, because I already have a job and I'm coming from an Engineering Background, so I'm not personally in the job market.... but I tend to disagree with you guys...
The majority of my friends in Engineering are not really having any problems finding work, and anytime I do a quick search online I see there are a ton of job offerings... plus... this isn't for everyone, but if you are willing to travel... be it domestically or abroad... there are always people looking for Engineers.
As I said though, having a degree in Engineering (or any other field) doesn't automatically mean you are set for life, it takes much more than that to get ahead...
Companies are looking for a "Jack of All Trades" who also just so happens to have a degree in Engineering!
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This is a very very very good point. I never liked "robots" ..robots think they know it all. I always like the guy or girl that could blend in some social skills also. Knows how to talk to the crowd then go into robot mode to get the job done.
100% Robots you keep in a room and don't allow them to talk to humans. You work the shit out of them and don't let them interact with anybody. The talker that has skills I feel comfortable he won't say something stupid and bring heat to the department. He/she knows how to put out fires without lifting a finger.
Exactly.... This is part of the reason, why I always felt out of place while I studied Engineering in college... Aside from the fact that I was a competitive bodybuilder so automatically I looked different than everyone else in the program... but it wasn't just looks.... from a technical side, I was just like everyone else... but from a social side... the vast majority was very different than how I was... I'm generally chatty, easy going, very much a people's person etc... and most of the people in the program were nothing like that, many were reserved, shy, awkward, very smart.... some much smarter than me, but they just didn't know how to hold a conversation.
I guess thats why most of my close friends in undergrad were from different programs.
There were a lot of robots around me :-) and I wonder where they are today!
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Exactly.... This is part of the reason, why I always felt out of place while I studied Engineering in college... Aside from the fact that I was a competitive bodybuilder so automatically I looked different than everyone else in the program... but it wasn't just looks.... from a technical side, I was just like everyone else... but from a social side... the vast majority was very different than how I was... I'm generally chatty, easy going, very much a people's person etc... and most of the people in the program were nothing like that, many were reserved, shy, awkward, very smart.... some much smarter than me, but they just didn't know how to hold a conversation.
I guess thats why most of my close friends in undergrad were from different programs.
There were a lot of robots around me :-) and I wonder where they are today!
Unless they landed a job somewhere where they are bolted to a chair and told not to talk or move, they are probably not even in the field.
My best quality is my ability to get along with multiple types of personalities. This helps when you need to extract information needed to satisfy something. Humans are sources to me. There is something you know that I don't....I need to extract it basically therefore I need to build good credit with that human.
One of the best investments in life is investing and having good credit with people...and I don't mean manipulating them..I"m talking just being a kind soul. People will never forget you for being nice to them when so many have treated them like dog shit before.
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Unless they landed a job somewhere where they are bolted to a chair and told not to talk or move, they are probably not even in the field.
My best quality is my ability to get along with multiple types of personalities. This helps when you need to extract information needed to satisfy something. Humans are sources to me. There is something you know that I don't....I need to extract it basically therefore I need to build good credit with that human.
One of the best investments in life is investing and having good credit with people...and I don't mean manipulating them..I"m talking just being a kind soul. People will never forget you for being nice to them when so many have treated them like dog shit before.
BINGO! Reminds me of a class I took during my Masters... it was 'Organizational Behavior" and it was taught by the CFO of the University (I went to George Washington University). This guy had a Bachelors in Engineering, an MBA, a PhD in Engineering, and a CPA.....and on top of it all he had an AWESOME personality, and constantly talked about his smoking hot Persian wife (his words, not mine)... this dude was the shit!
but I remember him always saying in class, over and over and over, multiple times, "BE NICE! JUST BE NICE!!" and talking about how people will remember you when you are nice... if you know your stuff from a professional side, this will be enough for them to respect you, but your personality is what will drive them to work better with you!
Good stuff right there!
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One of the many reasons why college is important is because college enhances your ability to become a critical thinker.
exactly, college is not about training you for the job market, it is about educating you, and in the process are forced to become a critical thinker and question certain things, then have a discussion about it, this is without any name calling or fist's flying, all gentlemen like, unlike here.
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Interesting observation.
Id agree, seems people in my age group expect to be handed 100k jobs and none of them want to do the footwork, they all want everything handed to them and they dont want to work for any of it.
Were gonna be in trouble when all those positions need to be filled, and we dont have qualified people to fill them.
they will have to fill them with so called un qualified workers, um maybe train the people on the job, what is the big fuckin deal, they ask for too much anyhow for mediocre positions.
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
Yes it was much easier and a college degree meant much more, now that anybody can get one with a gov't secured loan, they are worthless. Also the country being in a huge depression doesn't help, so stop trying to call this current generation crap because they are just trying to get by like the last generation did, except the last generation had it a lot easier, that is why they didn't complain as much, humans don't change that much, we are much alike.
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That's actually a load of bullshit. Todays generation works harder and is better educated on average than the generation before it. Your just trying to justify why were getting fucked.
Sure our attitude to work is alot less honest and far more cynical but that's simply a result of us being more aware of whats going on.
The past generation had a naive notion that working hard pays off and it's simply bullshit when you start crunching the numbers.
You can quote all the random success stories you want the reality is working hard isn't enough anymore.
QFT, good post
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debt. debt is how people manage to live, yet still paycheck to paycheck. debt has been the only thing driving the economy for the past 30 years as wages have depreciated. borrowing debt in order to buy things has been the only thing driving aggregate demand in the economy as real wages have decreased, however, as we've seen with the housing bubble crash, it creates a lot of instability as the debt is loaned on the premise that there will be continued economic growth in the future many times on the assumption of very large levels of economic growth, which is not always true and especially with regard to consumer buying power as that has been continually shrinking.
good post
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this generation will be part of one of the greatest generations because of all the struggle and hustling they will have to learn to do to get by. Just like the generation that came out of the great depression, they learned to get by with what they had.
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exactly, college is not about training you for the job market, it is about educating you, and in the process are forced to become a critical thinker and question certain things, then have a discussion about it, this is without any name calling or fist's flying, all gentlemen like, unlike here.
Bullshit. Its exactly what they do. Its why you pick a major, so they can ''train you for a job''. You dont need to drop 100k to be a critical thinker. Bring over a case of beer to my house and we can question some things without going into debt for the rest of our lives. I have a room full of books I've read. I've learned more from those books then anything that was taught in college.
Everyone knows college is for fucking, beer, road trips, sleeping till noon, and walking around in your pajamas. Its not for any real work experience.
I bet nobody uses a skill the learned in college at work. Its all for that piece of paper.
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If everyone's getting ahead, what exactly is left behind ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Not sure where you are going with this statement... What I was trying to say is that there are very few people of my generation that are willing to work hard to gain the financial benefit that they want/feel entitled too. Ive been working at a warehouse while i have been going to school and when the company cut back hours only a small handful of people went out to find second jobs to make up for their lost wages. Meanwhile i work 7 days a week for 4 months straight during the summer so i can afford to go to school without taking out a student loan. On top of that i work holidays and pick up extra hours whenever i can to supplement my income during the school year, on top of my regular shifts. There does not seem to be many people my age who want to work overtime or pick up extra shifts or second jobs to try to get ahead. Instead they all seem to work 4 days a week and play computer games in their spare time instead of dedicating at least some of their time to looking for a better job/ or taking courses that will increase their wage.
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Not sure where you are going with this statement... What I was trying to say is that there are very few people of my generation that are willing to work hard to gain the financial benefit that they want/feel entitled too. Ive been working at a warehouse while i have been going to school and when the company cut back hours only a small handful of people went out to find second jobs to make up for their lost wages. Meanwhile i work 7 days a week for 4 months straight during the summer so i can afford to go to school without taking out a student loan. On top of that i work holidays and pick up extra hours whenever i can to supplement my income during the school year, on top of my regular shifts. There does not seem to be many people my age who want to work overtime or pick up extra shifts or second jobs to try to get ahead. Instead they all seem to work 4 days a week and play computer games in their spare time instead of dedicating at least some of their time to looking for a better job/ or taking courses that will increase their wage.
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Bullshit. Its exactly what they do. Its why you pick a major, so they can ''train you for a job''. You dont need to drop 100k to be a critical thinker. Bring over a case of beer to my house and we can question some things without going into debt for the rest of our lives. I have a room full of books I've read. I've learned more from those books then anything that was taught in college.
Everyone knows college is for fucking, beer, road trips, sleeping till noon, and walking around in your pajamas. Its not for any real work experience.
I bet nobody uses a skill the learned in college at work. Its all for that piece of paper.
Contrary to your belief, college is not a place that trains you for a job lol, have you gone to college? Some degree's you have a skill set, but they are not training you for any specific job, it is up to you to find a job that matches your skill set. Critical thinking does not occur with a bunch of guys sitting on sofa's drinking beer either. You can get internships while at college, college was never meant for any real work experience, it's a place of higher learning bro.
Yes their are exceptions that you will point out, doctor, nurse, etc, but those are not the majority of people who attend a university.
I think you are thinking of a trade school, not a college.
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People laugh at me when I tell them I work at Wal-Mart.
Fuck them, respect to you for being out there and working.
People like that remind of those assholes that are unemployed losers, yet treat drive through
workers at fast food joints as if they were animals.
I respect anyone that works hard for their money.
Possibly losing your life because you can't find a job just doesn't seem right to me
There was a time in my life where I felt it was my calling, it was something that I felt I needed to
do. When I was younger, my idols were true heroes like Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon.
I'm not saying I wanted to die and be a hero, but I just had tremendous respect for men like that
and wanted to serve my country.
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Lol, I work for Wal-Mart. I work on the distribution center side of the business. They start Internal managers at 45k(not including bonus) which means you could negotiate for more. It's not great pay, but it's better then most people these days.
never laughed at a person in my life who had their hustle on for a direct deposit. i don't remember reading big layoffs at wal-mart.
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you know what though, they have said the same thing for healthcare
there are a lot of people who gave up their majors in college or went back to college for healthcare, to be a nurse (HOly shit there are soooo many people in my age group (young 20's) who are going back to school to be a nurse! gat damn!)
we'll see how that goes ::)
yes we all know engineering is pretty fucked right now, esp with the lack of funds from government and the shitty economy
i have a feeling that healthcare is the industry to look at soon, the collapse of it, rather
hey, RNs and LVNs are still in need. I don't know how much longer tho. The market is getting flooded from what I hear.
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Police agencies love military backrounds.
Not true.
Most military people are order takers...which is a different skill set. Factor is PTSD ...
A regular street cop on patrol has to do a lot more critical thinking than order taking.
(My marine buddy was in this exact scenario)
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hey, RNs and LVNs are still in need. I don't know how much longer tho. The market is getting flooded from what I hear.
they pretty much won't hire new grads in cali, want 2 yrs exp, so grads have to leave the state to find work. i know people who started nursing and got hell out. they didn't factor in the patient bed pans and douchebag, arrogant docs.
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Todays youth suck.
I decided to ask at college is someone wanted to work for me. I offered:
- 50€ per sale cash
- they can work as many hours as they want
- they can work at the time they want
- if they dunno where to start i give them a lists of potential clients and all they have to do is go there explain them the product and seal the deal
- getting paid every week, every 15 days or at the end of the month, as they prefer.
ALL of them said "oh no". "Its not my thing", "so if i don't sell i don't get paid?" "i'm studying to avoid this types of jobs..."
This are people from 18-22 with no working experience, no finished college degree and they get all picky over a great paid job. They deserve being unemployed.
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Todays youth suck.
I decided to ask at college is someone wanted to work for me. I offered:
- 50€ per sale cash
- they can work as many hours as they want
- they can work at the time they want
- if they dunno where to start i give them a lists of potential clients and all they have to do is go there explain them the product and seal the deal
- getting paid every week, every 15 days or at the end of the month, as they prefer.
ALL of them said "oh no". "Its not my thing", "so if i don't sell i don't get paid?" "i'm studying to avoid this types of jobs..."
This are people from 18-22 with no working experience, no finished college degree and they get all picky over a great paid job. They deserve being unemployed.
yeah working in a sales job, where they can never get paid unless they sell something, what are you selling, they are probably very smart not to take your offer, you are just exploiting young youth to go out and do the work you don't want to. Also they have gov't loans that they have money for extra shit anyhow now days, they don't need extra money, but they will need help paying back those loans after they are done lol, you can't get outta the gov't college loans, unlike private loans from banks.
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
I wipe the asses of old people. At least I don't get paid very much.
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btw, you all do realize that the punchline to this thread is: "they come on here and discuss how Diet Soda makes you fat and how Christopher Hitchens was a "brave, genius" "
LOL!!
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BINGO! Reminds me of a class I took during my Masters... it was 'Organizational Behavior" and it was taught by the CFO of the University (I went to George Washington University). This guy had a Bachelors in Engineering, an MBA, a PhD in Engineering, and a CPA.....and on top of it all he had an AWESOME personality, and constantly talked about his smoking hot Persian wife (his words, not mine)... this dude was the shit!
but I remember him always saying in class, over and over and over, multiple times, "BE NICE! JUST BE NICE!!" and talking about how people will remember you when you are nice... if you know your stuff from a professional side, this will be enough for them to respect you, but your personality is what will drive them to work better with you!
Good stuff right there!
What we remember from 5 - 10 years ago of our lives are the really positive experiences and the really negative experiences. Unless you have some patented technology, which everyone wants to buy regardless of your behaviour, I agree with you mostly here Ach.
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yeah working in a sales job, where they can never get paid unless they sell something, what are you selling, they are probably very smart not to take your offer, you are just exploiting young youth to go out and do the work you don't want to. Also they have gov't loans that they have money for extra shit anyhow now days, they don't need extra money, but they will need help paying back those loans after they are done lol, you can't get outta the gov't college loans, unlike private loans from banks.
lol Exploiting? There is no job where they can get paid that much with no experience or skills. They'll end up in McD and will keep complaining.
They are sellers their only goal is to sell, if they don't sell they don't get paid. What the hell do they expect, getting paid for doing nothing? lazy fucks.
I sell renewable energy. Its the fastest growing market and one of the why which has not only not been affected by recession but has grown 30%.
My job is to make sure those lazy fucks get paid.
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Kids today, fresh outta school, can't find work because there are still a lot of educated, experienced professionals looking for work that have been out of work and are settling for less to support their families. Companies are trying to do way more with less and would rather invest in solid talent that can produce while dumping twice the work on them rather than hiring 2 or 3 inexperienced, newly-grads that haven't proven a thing yet. In addition, companies are sending all the entry-level work to India and paying far less there than they would with an inexperienced, newly-grad salary.
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honestly when i have my company i won't even consider people under 30. I've been applying this to my personal life with great success.
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Kids today, fresh outta school, can't find work because there are still a lot of educated, experienced professionals looking for work that have been out of work and are settling for less to support their families. Companies are trying to do way more with less and would rather invest in solid talent that can produce while dumping twice the work on them rather than hiring 2 or 3 inexperienced, newly-grads that haven't proven a thing yet. In addition, companies are sending all the entry-level work to India and paying far less there than they would with an inexperienced, newly-grad salary.
good post
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lol Exploiting? There is no job where they can get paid that much with no experience or skills. They'll end up in McD and will keep complaining.
They are sellers their only goal is to sell, if they don't sell they don't get paid. What the hell do they expect, getting paid for doing nothing? lazy fucks.
I sell renewable energy. Its the fastest growing market and one of the why which has not only not been affected by recession but has grown 30%.
My job is to make sure those lazy fucks get paid.
pay them by the hour, you can't expect them to put all there time into trying to sell something and not get sales all the while working hard, they are better off working a regular min wage job in the town there college is in. Also trying to do sales sending out young kids to sell your products looks bad on your company and also no one is going to buy something from a young kid, where in a depression, you won't get many sales even if you had seasoned professional salesman going out.
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pay them by the hour, you can't expect them to put all there time into trying to sell something and not get sales all the while working hard, they are better off working a regular min wage job in the town there college is in. Also trying to do sales sending out young kids to sell your products looks bad on your company and also no one is going to buy something from a young kid, where in a depression, you won't get many sales even if you had seasoned professional salesman going out.
I never wanted to hire people in the 18-25 range. To this day i still push for another profile of employees but the directors think otherwise. I just to my best and pick the one that are more mature.
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I never wanted to hire people in the 18-25 range. To this day i still push for another profile of employees but the directors think otherwise. I just to my best and pick the one that are more mature.
Hiring hourly rates like that can be challenging because the folks hired know the value of overtime....gotta be able to manage that....it can be challenging and will obliterate some budgets. IT folk are the worst offenders.
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Kids today, fresh outta school, can't find work because there are still a lot of educated, experienced professionals looking for work that have been out of work and are settling for less to support their families. Companies are trying to do way more with less and would rather invest in solid talent that can produce while dumping twice the work on them rather than hiring 2 or 3 inexperienced, newly-grads that haven't proven a thing yet. In addition, companies are sending all the entry-level work to India and paying far less there than they would with an inexperienced, newly-grad salary.
And more companies should do this IMHO. Put pressure on the entitled little kunts in this country coming out with their degrees who think it's unfair and that they are somehow owed something.
If you don't like it, start your own fucking business and see how it feels to bleed green.
honestly when i have my company i won't even consider people under 30. I've been applying this to my personal life with great success.
This.
The ditzy shits with 0 life experience and bellies still reeking of alcohol from their "college" escapades can rot in piss for all I care. Thinking a piece of paper saying you read a few books and passed a few tests makes you entitled to a comfortable and secure fututre. The very notion is shockingly absurd.
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Hiring hourly rates like that can be challenging because the folks hired know the value of overtime....gotta be able to manage that....it can be challenging and will obliterate some budgets. IT folk are the worst offenders.
Its disgusting how the IT dude in the company is treated. Everything he asks they give it to him 5 yes five 27" monitors, 1 laptop and 2 towers, plus all the gadget: blackberry etc etc all he does is play fucking videogames and browse the internet.
Btw here is another cool story...a colleague of mine, from another company decided to pay for the salesmen gas and food. Guess what? a lot of them went "free gas and food! yey!!" and while they where hired they didn't work at all but they ate everyday at a restaurants and had free gas. Stuff like this is why salesmen don't get paid unless they sale.
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honestly when i have my company i won't even consider people under 30. I've been applying this to my personal life with great success.
Wise words.
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Its disgusting how the IT dude in the company is treated. Everything he asks they give it to him 5 yes five 27" monitors, 1 laptop and 2 towers, plus all the gadget: blackberry etc etc all he does is play fucking videogames and browse the internet.
Btw here is another cool story...a colleague of mine, from another company decided to pay for the salesmen gas and food. Guess what? a lot of them went "free gas and food! yey!!" and while they where hired they didn't work at all but they ate everyday at a restaurants and had free gas. Stuff like this is why salesmen don't get paid unless they sale.
Your a idiot, you can't get people to do the work because those with sales skills, the good looking/sociable are the ones who actually have jobs. That's like recruiting for the nfl from a high schools av club.
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Your a idiot, you can't get people to do the work because those with sales skills, the good looking/sociable are the ones who actually have jobs. That's like recruiting for the nfl from a high schools av club.
The people in college do not have jobs. They are all day complaining how they don't have money and how they have been seeking ajob for soooo long. You offer them a job and they reject it in a fraction of a second. If they weren't pampered kiddos, they parent kicked their adult ass out of their home and HAD TO make a living they wouldn't act this way.
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And more companies should do this IMHO. Put pressure on the entitled little kunts in this country coming out with their degrees who think it's unfair and that they are somehow owed something.
If you don't like it, start your own fucking business and see how it feels to bleed green.
This.
The ditzy shits with 0 life experience and bellies still reeking of alcohol from their "college" escapades can rot in piss for all I care. Thinking a piece of paper saying you read a few books and passed a few tests makes you entitled to a comfortable and secure fututre. The very notion is shockingly absurd.
Yes. Sense of entitlement is the word. "i have a degree" so what? have you ever worked? no. are you willing to travel? No. are you willing to take FREE course the company is offering? i have no time. lazy fucks.
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i worked there once too, contrary to popular belief there are actually good people working there that are just down on their luck. no shame in taking a shitjob, but it is still a shitjob and no one can live on those wages (at the minimum wage level anyways).
not really much people can do about that though, as it's just bad luck getting stuck in that position for a lot of people, and since wealth is a zero-sum system, not everyone can have a middle class or higher salary and the usa economy is shifting away from manufacture of physical goods to manufacture of intellectual property shrinking a lot of the middle class in the process.
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Walmarts not as bad some think.it has extremes of all people.
Managment at walmart makes a ton.and many move up.
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The people in college do not have jobs. They are all day complaining how they don't have money and how they have been seeking ajob for soooo long. You offer them a job and they reject it in a fraction of a second. If they weren't pampered kiddos, they parent kicked their adult ass out of their home and HAD TO make a living they wouldn't act this way.
Whatever dude I hear this crap from employers all the time, mcdonalds and all those shitholes never have hard times finding people, your obviously not offer a very good deal.
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Whatever dude I hear this crap from employers all the time, mcdonalds and all those shitholes never have hard times finding people, your obviously not offer a very good deal.
You sound like a union worker parrot.
I hear this bs from cozy kiddos. They are want 6 figures jobs, where they don't have to work hard at all, walking distance from home and a reverence for taking your job.
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you guys are ignoring the fact youths nowadays are brainwashed by tv almost since birth and think they re all going to become actors, lawyers or forensics...Their parents dont help and also push them to believe this, living viacrously thru them. All these people have no faith. Fact is you can be happy in life not doing anything of what you expected in the firstplace. But people nowadays struggle to be content with what they have. They always want more. They re never satisfied. And they only care about themselves and fucking other people in the ass. They might be smart, but they have no heart, cause they have no faith in soemthing bigger than themselves. Fact is, old people dont hire smart asses, but people with heart.
kids are also told to be "cool" with everyone but fact is that in the workplace it's a giant jungle, a giant free for all. You have to adapt better than others to survive. Most of the time in most places, with faith and being fair with people you can go from bottom to top. The problem is that most young people nowadays have no faith, and are either complete egotistical assholes or the oposite, whimps. Down to earth kids with a heart are very very rare. Most come from the shitiest social classes.
And also, simply put...there s too many people on earth, and not enough jobs. Thisis going to be a growing concern and it's not going to end well. Thanks elites (industrials, journalists, politician who are all friends) who promoted multiculturalism and globalization to import the third world in the west in order to lower the salaries for everyone thus increasing their own profits, while increasing the competition between human beings who have never been as shallow and atomized, lost, as they are nowadays. All of this due to the abandonning of God.
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Whatever dude I hear this crap from employers all the time, mcdonalds and all those shitholes never have hard times finding people, your obviously not offer a very good deal.
And by the way the salesmen we have working are averaging 250-300€ (333-400 usd) a day working no more than 6 hours. They don't want this job ok, they won't find anything remotely close.
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One of the major problems of this generation is a lack of work ethic and blaming everyone for their lack of wealth. Do you think 30 years ago it was easy to earn a living if you were young? Yes, the economy is bad but saying whoa is me and everyone owes me will get you no where.
I don't know any successful person that didn't pay their dues in life and yes start at the bottom. There are so many examples. One guy I know is a construction worker that worked many 16 hour plus days and weekends/holidays. He started his own very tiny construction company. Now at 47 he bids and gets 50 million dollar plus jobs and employs 100's of people building bridges and roads.
I know I will get a lot fu's on this but the truth hurts. Being a slacker is one of the major problems with this generation.
true. And being a slacker is linked to having no faith anymore and being an atheist. Your parents abandonned you in front of the tv, were to busy divorcing, doing "their thing", sacrifying their kids for their confort instead of sacrifying themselves for them.
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Girls and sons...
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Girls and sons...
Shark Jumped.
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Shark Jumped.
yes...that meme has had its day in the sun
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You sound like a union worker parrot.
I hear this bs from cozy kiddos. They are want 6 figures jobs, where they don't have to work hard at all, walking distance from home and a reverence for taking your job.
Lol I work 30-40 hours a week while in school don't fucking tell me I got some sense of entitlement. Your the one claiming to have some magical job that no one seems to want.
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Did you know: when you re hired, others candidates arent. Life is unfair.
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btw, i'm gonna end this thread by saying this
I HAVE A DEGREE.....(from a very good school as well)
you're welcome
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Lol I work 30-40 hours a week while in school don't fucking tell me I got some sense of entitlement. Your the one claiming to have some magical job that no one seems to want.
There is no magic. The more you work and the more efficient you are at it the more you get paid. And its only students that don't want it. Salesmen from other companies constantly ask to work with us. The problem here is different. They have experience but not in the field and the ones that do want to start at a sales team manager position minimum or want crazy "extras".
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btw, i'm gonna end this thread by saying this
I HAVE A DEGREE.....(from a very good school as well)
you're welcome
I'll have a McChicken, no fries and a McFlurry, please. ;D
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The more you contribute the more you get in return. Some people are happy contributing working at walmart or flipping burgers, others are EQUALLY AS HAPPY leading megacorporations. The problem is with people who are unhappy of what they re doing. Well, you know what? The third worlders will be very happy to do the jobs you or your spoiled kids dont want to do. Those who cant contribute feel useless. Others steal, they kill, destroy beause they didnt learn how to contribute.
Just like in any other animal specie, at some point when there are too many people who dont want to, or cant work, and when there are not enough jobs and too many people, a massive selection has to happen so balance is achieved again in the interest of the survival of the specie.
It's coming.
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The people in college do not have jobs. They are all day complaining how they don't have money and how they have been seeking ajob for soooo long. You offer them a job and they reject it in a fraction of a second. If they weren't pampered kiddos, they parent kicked their adult ass out of their home and HAD TO make a living they wouldn't act this way.
The young people aren't that dumb, they know outside sales are terrible jobs, no pay unless you sell, have to use your own car, not reimbursed for gas, you probably would break even if you lucky because of gas/wear on your car.
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shut up uberman you ugly idiot lol
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You sound like a union worker parrot.
I hear this bs from cozy kiddos. They are want 6 figures jobs, where they don't have to work hard at all, walking distance from home and a reverence for taking your job.
you sound like a rich close minded person. Those kids do not want 6 figure jobs or expect them, they would like a job that they can live off of and afford rent, a car payment. Stop making shit up.
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I'll have a McChicken, no fries and a McFlurry, please. ;D
I only wish i could pass the drug test at mcdonalds
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voland your outside sales position job is the worst kind of job offered, terrible, do you not understand people do not want it because it is not good pay, the kids don't have all day to do your sales, they have class, studies, so they have limited hours, also they would have to pay gas, and use their own car, they aren't dumb, you go do the sales shit if you think it is so good :)
the people you so call hire aren't even real employees, what tax form do they fill out?
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If they want to find a job they have to lie in their resume. Omit the college degree.
They won't find a job in their field but they will find a job once they are in they'll be able to climb their way up. Thats what i did.
lying in a resume is an artform.........those who don't know what they lying about will get caught........when you know and can back up those lies, you'll be CEO in no time.... ;)
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if you're not lying on your resume than you are a shithead who will lose a job to another candidate who is lying on there resume
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you sound like a rich close minded person. Those kids do not want 6 figure jobs or expect them, they would like a job that they can live off of and afford rent, a car payment. Stop making shit up.
Im not rich at all and i come from the poorest background you can imagine. I just find it offensive how teens today do nothing at all but expect everything. I've been working since i was 12. These fucker expect to start working at 22. And i blame their parents too.
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Im not rich at all and i come from the poorest background you can imagine. I just find it offensive how teens today do nothing at all but expect everything. I've been working since i was 12. These fucker expect to start working at 22. And i blame their parents too.
you stereotype the whole group of young people growing up, it just isn't right. Not all of these kids expect what you think. You probably are talking to kids who have come from very rich family households going to college.
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exactly..Honestly, I think parents need to teach kids as young as 5 or whatever, they need to earn the extras they want, even if it's a new coloring book or monster high doll.
My parents said "you don't like having the car home at 10" get your own car. So I borrowed money from my grandparents at 16, paid my own insurance, my father warned me, miss one payment and I will repo that car. I worked as a waitress at sizzler in san diego and made great money. To this day, my parents said no matter how much trouble I got into for ditching school to be at the beach, they couldn't take my car away because I paid for it.
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Reading this thread makes me very pleased that I don't live in america. It sounds incredibly arrogant, but I'm just being honest.
The "american dream" makes me wanna puke. It might have been something valuable 40 years ago but nowadays it's more of an "american nightmare" than anything. It's one thing if the economy is rough and people are struggling to get by which happens every now and then even in the most advanced societies... but to be blinded by the illusive concept of the "american dream" and then find yourself getting fucked in the ass by a corrupted system just have to make things a lot worse. I'd rather deal with hardships while staying down on the ground rather than pretending to be floating on the clouds only to come crashing down and then try to build a ladder made out of thin air(debt) to get myself up on the cloud again.
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exactly..Honestly, I think parents need to teach kids as young as 5 or whatever, they need to earn the extras they want, even if it's a new coloring book or monster high doll.
My parents said "you don't like having the car home at 10" get your own car. So I borrowed money from my grandparents at 16, paid my own insurance, my father warned me, miss one payment and I will repo that car. I worked as a waitress at sizzler in san diego and made great money. To this day, my parents said no matter how much trouble I got into for ditching school to be at the beach, they couldn't take my car away because I paid for it.
Blah blah blah, it's your generation that ran the economy into the ground, so stop trying to put the problems, on people who couldn't even vote when shit started to hit the fan.
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Bottom (beside this fag Jt being clueless as Fuck) line is most college were never taught what it means to have a good work ethic. They may think critical thinking is most important and to some extent it is, but most lack commonsense which imo is more valuable than critical thinking. Not only that they lack street smarts.
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Blah blah blah, it's your generation that ran the economy into the ground, so stop trying to put the problems, on people who couldn't even vote when shit started to hit the fan.
hey dumb fuck, I didn't blame the young kids, I was yapping about teaching them responsibility and that you should earn your keep. But I do blame shitty work ethic on parents
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hey dumb fuck, I didn't blame the young kids, I was yapping about teaching them responsibility and that you should earn your keep. But I do blame shitty work ethic on parents
Alright truce if you admit the shit is multi generational.
Were fucked and trying to put the blame on the people getting fucked is quite annoying, it's a lame justification for shit.
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No matter if the current young generation are worthless pieces of shit or not, any attempt to put most of the blame on them is scapegoating at best. The mess america and most of the western world is in right now has its roots from way back. No single generation, president, legislation, government or war is going to fix this clusterfuck.
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No matter if the current young generation are worthless pieces of shit or not, any attempt to put most of the blame on them is scapegoating at best. The mess america and most of the western world is in right now has its roots from way back. No single generation, president, legislation, government or war is going to fix this clusterfuck.
exactly, you guys are acting as if the kids are the only ones unemployed. Anyhow the problem of young folks being underemployed is far worst than the problem of them being unemployed.
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Voland's so called job offer probably this sums it up :
Pros
you have a flexible schedule, not in a office all day, the have so called appointments or leads for you. that about it.
Cons
the commission they tell you can make is a scam. no one in the industry lease equipment. the appointments that are set for you are 50/50 most of the time the merchant doesn't even know your coming. you spend most of your paycheck on gas. they make there money on hiring outside sales reps that work for a couple of weeks and quit after make a couple of reprograms or sales. training sucks!!! they lie about there services and rates to you and the merchant.
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No matter if the current young generation are worthless pieces of shit or not, any attempt to put most of the blame on them is scapegoating at best. The mess america and most of the western world is in right now has its roots from way back. No single generation, president, legislation, government or war is going to fix this clusterfuck.
good post, except it mostly is the past generation's fuckup's that is hurting the current great generation that will turn it around and be the greatest generation of them all.
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No matter if the current young generation are worthless pieces of shit or not, any attempt to put most of the blame on them is scapegoating at best. The mess america and most of the western world is in right now has its roots from way back. No single generation, president, legislation, government or war is going to fix this clusterfuck.
Sure you can. It's said that President Obama has created more debt in his 4 years , then all the presidents from Washington to Bush combined.
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No matter if the current young generation are worthless pieces of shit or not, any attempt to put most of the blame on them is scapegoating at best. The mess america and most of the western world is in right now has its roots from way back. No single generation, president, legislation, government or war is going to fix this clusterfuck.
actually a recession, a depression, then wars, will.
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Voland's so called job offer probably this sums it up :
Pros
you have a flexible schedule, not in a office all day, the have so called appointments or leads for you. that about it.
Cons
the commission they tell you can make is a scam. no one in the industry lease equipment. the appointments that are set for you are 50/50 most of the time the merchant doesn't even know your coming. you spend most of your paycheck on gas. they make there money on hiring outside sales reps that work for a couple of weeks and quit after make a couple of reprograms or sales. training sucks!!! they lie about there services and rates to you and the merchant.
You sound lazy. The typical youth that will find a million excuse to every job to avoid working. I know your type.
"I have to move"
"it too far away"
"the hours don't suit me"
"its not my thing"
"i only get paid if i work"
"they pay too little"
"its too much work load"
lazy lazy lazy excuses
jut man up and admit you want to get paid just for attending an office and doing nothing for 4hours.
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to all the insolent ones complaining...
they will ask you this question in every job interview, so you must have an answer.
Answer honestly:
why should i hire you and pay you 25k a year?
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Voland's offer / argument transcends into our current communities.
Person A will only take job X if it is more attractive than Y, being unemployed.
I live in Denmark, but here it is the same. Sometimes I do not want to go on some shitty cleaning job for 20 dollars an hour and waste gas on it.
Then one can argue, what is the problem here? That the wages are not high enough or that I really do not need to work a lot?
That's a difficult question.
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to all the insolent ones complaining...
they will ask you this question in every job interview, so you must have an answer.
Answer honestly:
why should i hire you and pay you 25k a year?
25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."
then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance
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25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."
then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance
no dollars. Why should i pay you more if you have nothing going on? no experience, no nothing.
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why would anyone who is a good worker take 25k/yr? you may not want to pay more than 25k/yr but no decent worker will take that salary.
plus if it's the person's first job that salary more of less dictates the salary for the rest of their life, if they are using it on future job applications. so there's even less incentive for people, either just out of college or non-college educated people with job experience.
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i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost
i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet
in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations
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the difference in quality of life is not all that different with 45k and 60k. 60k may give you some more bragging rights or a qualification for a slightly larger house but in the end,
here is the numbers
60k/yr = 5000/month = 1250/wk = 31.25/hr
45k/yr = 3750/month = 937.50/wk = 23.40/hr
(assuming 40 hr workweeks)
does it make you feel better knowing that you earn 8 dollars more than another human being each hour? for most of you, would that huge 1250/month make a huge difference in the quality of your life? not really. maybe you will be able to afford some nicer furniture, or add a few more nights out each month (assuming you have a family to take out where it usually costs 150-200 for an activity + dinner), and gives you some more money to spend on your 401k. does it give you the comfort of living a lavish lifestyle with a bmw m5 and a 500k house and front row tickets to any game you wanted to attend? no... not really
i would take the 45k job if i learned more from it, had better job opportunity for growth, and made me a better human being
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i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost
i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet
in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations
well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics.
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well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics.
yeah, i think luck is the greatest factor of all. some people say hard work will get you places. my parents worked hard their entire life and they still struggle financially with no health insurance.
luck is what determines everything, our genetics for bodybuilding for example, lol
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yeah, i think luck is the greatest factor of all. some people say hard work will get you places. my parents worked hard their entire life and they still struggle financially with no health insurance.
luck is what determines everything, our genetics for bodybuilding for example, lol
i agree. though, you can't win unless you play the game and so, like playing the lottery you can't win big unless you buy a ticket, it's just the odds are very very low.
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why would anyone who is a good worker take 25k/yr? you may not want to pay more than 25k/yr but no decent worker will take that salary.
plus if it's the person's first job that salary more of less dictates the salary for the rest of their life, if they are using it on future job applications. so there's even less incentive for people, either just out of college or non-college educated people with job experience.
how is someone with no experience or proven skills a good worker?
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i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost
i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet
in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations
I can agree with that.
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how is someone with no experience or proven skills a good worker?
i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.
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well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics.
yes but those apply to everyone. And the only way to make acquaintances/friends that would help you in that is entering the job market. If you don't you'll never even have the option.
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i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.
personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.
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i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.
to be honest i would rather hire someone fresh out of high school who didn't attend college and instead worked many different jobs, because those people understand the value of money and hard work
to me liberal arts degrees are beyond worthless. not only does it show that you have very little understanding of the technical world, which is vital in today's economy, but it also shows that you wanted an easy time through college so you can have sex, drink alcohol, and party all night with your fraternity brothers and sisters and ditch class.
the only degrees i find viable are those who have studied engineering, something finance/economy related, or medical.
to me a degree in psychology with a subpar gpa and no internships and a lackluster interview, well, that person just spent 100 grand on a paperweight when they were better off working out of high school
/rant
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personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.
i agree with you man. but you know what, you can't even tell by looking at a resume. i haven't had a lot of these interviews and i possess those qualities, which is something every company would desire i would think. it is impossible to know all of the things that people ask for technologically, like to program in java with 5+ years experience, but you know what, i will spend 40 hours on top of the 40 hours at work just to learn the damn java code and i'll be damn better at it than some washed out cushy laid off old engineer who has the experience but just wants a cushy 9-5 job so they can go home and watch dancing with the stars and americas got talent roflmao
and what is the deal with these engineering companies wanting high as hell gpas...ill tell you one thing, most of my friends who possess these qualities (intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart) in college never had great gpas...yet i believe they would make better engineers than the book worm 3.5's
i was denied a position at a major oil company because my gpa wasn't 3.0! yet i possessed a lot of technical experience and an excellent interview! it wasn't until they looked at my transcripts and my shitty sub-3.0 gpa that i was no longer eligible! WTFFF
//sighhh ////rant...
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personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.
true, i would say there are more people who are street smart without degrees being as they needed to rely more so on their skills to get their next meal rather than going through the motions of collegiate studies laid out in front of them.
still though, going to be hard to find someone who has very markable job skills to work for 25k/yr, at least for very long, even in this economy. that's a horrible salary.
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i agree with you man. but you know what, you can't even tell by looking at a resume. i haven't had a lot of these interviews and i possess those qualities, which is something every company would desire i would think. it is impossible to know all of the things that people ask for technologically, like to program in java with 5+ years experience, but you know what, i will spend 40 hours on top of the 40 hours at work just to learn the damn java code and i'll be damn better at it than some washed out cushy laid off old engineer who has the experience but just wants a cushy 9-5 job so they can go home and watch dancing with the stars and americas got talent roflmao
and what is the deal with these engineering companies wanting high as hell gpas...ill tell you one thing, most of my friends who possess these qualities (intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart) in college never had great gpas...yet i believe they would make better engineers than the book worm 3.5's
i was denied a position at a major oil company because my gpa wasn't 3.0! yet i possessed a lot of technical experience and an excellent interview! it wasn't until they looked at my transcripts and my shitty sub-3.0 gpa that i was no longer eligible! WTFFF
//sighhh ////rant...
i work with a lot of book worms (esp asians) in research who are clueless and can't adapt to shit, would hire a 2.2 in chemistry who worked two jobs to get thru school vs "mom and dad" paid for the 3.5. there are a couple of universities who are cued-in on this, as far as admission standards.
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You sound lazy. The typical youth that will find a million excuse to every job to avoid working. I know your type.
"I have to move"
"it too far away"
"the hours don't suit me"
"its not my thing"
"i only get paid if i work"
"they pay too little"
"its too much work load"
lazy lazy lazy excuses
jut man up and admit you want to get paid just for attending an office and doing nothing for 4hours.
No it's not laziness if you got better option. You seem to think everyones a dumb pollack forced to run themselves into the ground.
There's a huge difference from doing nothing with your life, and not wanting to take on more than you need.
I work 30-40 hours a week at a gas bar, because it's easy on my health, and free from stress so I can focus on school. To say that's lazy is a bit much. I'm making rational choice something you seem unable to do.
personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.
Lol this is more of your nonsense. You want all of the things degree's are associated with. Your getting a far better deck of cards when you hire someone with a degree, that's pretty much a fact, not every card is perfect in either, but the degree deck is far better.
You've either never worked with people with and without educations, or you yourself are clueless. In pretty much every job, I've ever had intelligence/education, creates a divide in competency.
A simple example is me and a co worker were complaining about back problems. I have a genuine issue, with lifting below my knees, the kid I was working with was just a lazy shit. Anyhow, it'd be obvious to anyone that understands economics, gettings a guy 6 4 with back problems to reach below his feet is fucking ignorant, but whatever.
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You sound lazy. The typical youth that will find a million excuse to every job to avoid working. I know your type.
"I have to move"
"it too far away"
"the hours don't suit me"
"its not my thing"
"i only get paid if i work"
"they pay too little"
"its too much work load"
lazy lazy lazy excuses
jut man up and admit you want to get paid just for attending an office and doing nothing for 4hours.
Sounds like a salesman to me :) Selling lies and scamming people into working for them for a few weeks until the person working for them realizes the screw job they are getting put down on them, then you get all the clients the worker got while he was working for you, it works out great for you the person taking advantage of people, not so much for the person being taken advantage of.
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25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."
then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance
x2, Voland doesn't understand the interviewee is also interviewing the company as well to see if they want to work for them, it works both ways.
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to be honest i would rather hire someone fresh out of high school who didn't attend college and instead worked many different jobs, because those people understand the value of money and hard work
to me liberal arts degrees are beyond worthless. not only does it show that you have very little understanding of the technical world, which is vital in today's economy, but it also shows that you wanted an easy time through college so you can have sex, drink alcohol, and party all night with your fraternity brothers and sisters and ditch class.
the only degrees i find viable are those who have studied engineering, something finance/economy related, or medical.
to me a degree in psychology with a subpar gpa and no internships and a lackluster interview, well, that person just spent 100 grand on a paperweight when they were better off working out of high school
/rant
you don't seem to understand that a good well rounded population is the key to success in the long run, you do not want too many engineer's too many computer programmer's, you want a even balance, Beethoven wouldn't be around if he didn't dable in music, but by your theory those kinds of things don't matter right :D How do you think economic systems have been created, socialism, capitalism, fascism, that is all liberal arts thinking, an engineer did not come up with that. Different types of war strategies, those are things that psychology and such can be much benefit.
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Sounds like a salesman to me :) Selling lies and scamming people into working for them for a few weeks until the person working for them realizes the screw job they are getting put down on them, then you get all the clients the worker got while he was working for you, it works out great for you the person taking advantage of people, not so much for the person being taken advantage of.
Scamming? lol i didn't make salesmen conditions. Thats how it works you get paid for what you sell. Just as if you own a store. No sales=no money.
If the worker got so many clients he would be making big bucks and would be enjoying the money other that complaining.
But you sound like a punk. You'll never get a job. You'll realize sooner or latter.
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Scamming? lol i didn't make salesmen conditions. Thats how it works you get paid for what you sell. Just as if you own a store. No sales=no money.
If the worker got so many clients he would be making big bucks and would be enjoying the money other that complaining.
But you sound like a punk. You'll never get a job. You'll realize sooner or latter.
Ok mr salesman. Or sales manager lol. No one wants to work for you because the job you are offering SUCKS. Your selling renewable energy, do you give them people that have already agreed to a visit to go to, or do they call people in the phone book, it sounds like a job that is worse than any minimum wage job. Yes you could make a lot of money, but just like the lottery, you probably won't.
Gas money, these are kids you are trying to give the job to, most likely they have a crappy car, why put huge mileage on it and not get reimbursed for gas while not know if they even will get paid, they may even come back negative money for the day, that is why they are saying no thanks.
If you job offer is so good, why aren't you doing it as a second job to the one you have now?
You probably already know this, but commission only sales jobs are the worst kind of job to exist.
And you didn't answer what tax form do they fill out, are they individual contractors or employees? Please tell us...
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they are the 99%
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seriously
i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time
i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation
what the fuck do these people do all day
They need to either keep looking for a job or decide what they are going to do with their lives. Sitting around waiting for an opportunity gets you nowhere. They need to create their own opportunity.
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to be honest i would rather hire someone fresh out of high school who didn't attend college and instead worked many different jobs, because those people understand the value of money and hard work
to me liberal arts degrees are beyond worthless. not only does it show that you have very little understanding of the technical world, which is vital in today's economy, but it also shows that you wanted an easy time through college so you can have sex, drink alcohol, and party all night with your fraternity brothers and sisters and ditch class.
the only degrees i find viable are those who have studied engineering, something finance/economy related, or medical.
to me a degree in psychology with a subpar gpa and no internships and a lackluster interview, well, that person just spent 100 grand on a paperweight when they were better off working out of high school
/rant
Don't be a fucking retard.
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exactly..Honestly, I think parents need to teach kids as young as 5 or whatever, they need to earn the extras they want, even if it's a new coloring book or monster high doll.
My parents said "you don't like having the car home at 10" get your own car. So I borrowed money from my grandparents at 16, paid my own insurance, my father warned me, miss one payment and I will repo that car. I worked as a waitress at sizzler in san diego and made great money. To this day, my parents said no matter how much trouble I got into for ditching school to be at the beach, they couldn't take my car away because I paid for it.
Holy fuck so fucking grown up and hardcore.
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Ok mr salesman. Or sales manager lol. No one wants to work for you because the job you are offering SUCKS. Your selling renewable energy, do you give them people that have already agreed to a visit to go to, or do they call people in the phone book, it sounds like a job that is worse than any minimum wage job. Yes you could make a lot of money, but just like the lottery, you probably won't.
Gas money, these are kids you are trying to give the job to, most likely they have a crappy car, why put huge mileage on it and not get reimbursed for gas while not know if they even will get paid, they may even come back negative money for the day, that is why they are saying no thanks.
If you job offer is so good, why aren't you doing it as a second job to the one you have now?
You probably already know this, but commission only sales jobs are the worst kind of job to exist.
And you didn't answer what tax form do they fill out, are they individual contractors or employees? Please tell us...
We give them a list. Those who don't make a decent living are either inept when it comes to sales or plain lazy. In both cases not a good thing.
No one is forcing them to use their cozy cars. They are offered a public transport pass. If they like to travel by car they will pay for the gas.
I already did that job, i didn't like it, but still did it. And it is because of that that now i've moved on onto big pictures stuff which i like more.
They get an autonomous contract. I dunno how you call that in the US or wherever the hell you are.
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so what do you guys think of a male undergrad pursuing BA in physics? Hardest major at my uni atm.
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I most likely will be Google Intern this summer
6-7k$/month as an intern, trollololo
I've never worked in my life and I think that "you have to work hard as a kid in mcdonald to know value of money" is epic bullshit. My parents are wealthy (md doctor and teacher) and I wasn't ever big spender. I always liked collecting money, some times as a kid I had more money than my parents lol and they borrowed from me... Some have genes to be wealthy, some not.
I had uni scholarship for 2 years anyway, but I didn't work hard for that either. Pure talent and sometimes luck.
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I most likely will be Google Intern this summer
6-7k$/month as an intern, trollololo
I've never worked in my life and I think that "you have to work hard as a kid in mcdonald to know value of money" is epic bullshit. My parents are wealthy (md doctor and teacher) and I wasn't ever big spender. I always liked collecting money, some times as a kid I had more money than my parents lol and they borrowed from me... Some have genes to be wealthy, some not.
I had uni scholarship for 2 years anyway, but I didn't work hard for that either. Pure talent and sometimes luck.
Why only 2 years?
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I most likely will be Google Intern this summer
6-7k$/month as an intern, trollololo
I've never worked in my life and I think that "you have to work hard as a kid in mcdonald to know value of money" is epic bullshit. My parents are wealthy (md doctor and teacher) and I wasn't ever big spender. I always liked collecting money, some times as a kid I had more money than my parents lol and they borrowed from me... Some have genes to be wealthy, some not.
I had uni scholarship for 2 years anyway, but I didn't work hard for that either. Pure talent and sometimes luck.
settle down patryk
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I most likely will be Google Intern this summer
6-7k$/month as an intern, trollololo
I've never worked in my life and I think that "you have to work hard as a kid in mcdonald to know value of money" is epic bullshit. My parents are wealthy (md doctor and teacher) and I wasn't ever big spender. I always liked collecting money, some times as a kid I had more money than my parents lol and they borrowed from me... Some have genes to be wealthy, some not.
I had uni scholarship for 2 years anyway, but I didn't work hard for that either. Pure talent and sometimes luck.
You might be "intelligent" , but there's intelligence and intelligence. Intelligence without heart leads you nowhere. Judging by your post, you obviously have no heart. How many people like you end ruining their legacy because they were just raised to become smart, but without faith. Read the Bible, you might learn one thing or two about sons and daughters driving their ancestors legacy into the ground in one generation, as "intelligent" as they were.
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You might be "intelligent" , but there's intelligence and intelligence. Intelligence without heart leads you nowhere. Judging by your post, you obviously have no heart. How many people like you end ruining their legacy because they were just raised to become smart, but without faith. Read the Bible, you might learn one thing or two about sons and daughters driving their ancestors legacy into the ground in one generation, as "intelligent" as they were.
we all end up in the same place...dead, who cares