Exactly. We don't know what we don't know. Lack of evidence is not proof of non existence.Thank God the legal system isn't based on your ideology, I can just imagine Judge TBombz sending people to jail after discovering ZERO evidence for a crime, I can just see his sentencing statement "Well, it appears that their is zero evidence that you killed that man, but that doesn't mean that you didn't kill him, as lack of evidence is not proof that you didn't commit the crime". Based on Tbombz philosophy, Santa Claus could possibly exist as their is a lack of evidence to prove he doesn't. What a retard argument. You can't HELP stupid.
Galeniko,
Where did we come from? Where did time, space, matter come from? Where did energy come from?
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going. Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...
http://godisimaginary.com/ (http://godisimaginary.com/)
Galeniko,
Where did we come from? Where did time, space, matter come from? Where did energy come from?
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going. Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.A dimension perhaps? One of the supposed 11 dimensions.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
oh we do know about the universe.
so, who knows, then?
are we supposed to believe in something that nobody , not even 1 people, knows about?
would you buy a used car from the guy asking you to believe in such?
btw i read the qu ran when i was in prison, i read all the religious books there, for balance and out of sheer boredom.
the muslims all know where the kaba is and where to deposit some gold, but noone knows where the promised place is?
sounds like a rip off scheme.
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
Galeniko,
Where did we come from? Where did time, space, matter come from? Where did energy come from?
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going. Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...
you forgot to list the just as bad comparo "you dont see the air, but you do believe its there, sinc youre breathing".I beg to differ.
where did we come from?i came from mom and dad.
time space and matter are very well explained so far, but no sign of heaven.
computer in the woods?nothing special, its called littering.
I beg to differ.
The concept of the beginning of time or what was before time began goes against the law of physics, there is no rational explanation for this whatsoever.
Matter at one point in either way had to be produced or it was there in an infinite regression, both equally do not make sense.
Space is expanding, we know this to be true so what do you call what it is expanding into. No rational explanation can be given for this either. It can not be expanding into more space cause the vary definition of space has to include space itself to be an expanding scenario.
These are mysteries questions of the origin of space, time and, matter that man IMHO will never be able answer logically, it is very weird to say the least. Does this prove God, absolutely not but it does not disprove God either.
You should definitely read Lawrence Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing". It's actually a pretty exciting read. It turns out, oddly as it may sound, that we live in a universe that contains exactly zero energy, and can therefore have been "created" out of quantum nothingness. It is the best attempt at explaining the origin of the universe I've seen so far and it's from a SCIENTIFIC point of view, believe it or not.OK I will give it a go. I will not judge it as I have not read it yet but just on the description you provided, that explanation is not rational. Like I said I will give it a read as I enjoy reading this type of stuff anyway and sense I don`t work in the snow time I have spare time.
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X (http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X)
You should definitely read Lawrence Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing". It's actually a pretty exciting read. It turns out, oddly as it may sound, that we live in a universe that contains exactly zero energy, and can therefore have been "created" out of quantum nothingness. It is the best attempt at explaining the origin of the universe I've seen so far and it's from a SCIENTIFIC point of view, believe it or not.I don`t really want to buy it, is there a site I can read it from or is it on youtube?
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X (http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X)
I don`t really want to buy it, is there a site I can read it from or is it on youtube?
The book is based on a series of lectures he has given over the years. The lectures can be found on youtube. Be aware though that the lectures only summarizes the content in the book given the time constraints.screw it, I will buy it as you are not the first to mention it, I keep hearing about it. I will also check out the youtube lectures. Thanks
heaven is at the bottom of the first 10 beers...
hell is at the bottom of the 20th
heaven is at the bottom of the first 15 shots of whiskey...fixed ;D
hell is at the bottom of the 30th
fixed ;D
yeah, but just as we know the universe is expanding, we also are able to look back into the far past, we can see as far back -with telescopes- as very close to the universes birth.way further than the adam and eve story.Fair post :)
i agree, what was before is absolutely up to speculation , and into what the universe is expanding is as of today, speculation too.
i believe humans will have a device to look at the outer end of the universe one day.
how matter came to be is kinda explained, however.
im not denying a god figure, just saying the religions dont make entire sense, esp, they cant all be right.
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
maybe our existance on earth is heaven, or even worse, hell.
its hard to tell sometimes
maybe our existance on earth is heaven, or even worse, hell.Just imagine some of the horrors people have faced? Watching their family get slaughtered, flayed, beheaded, boiled alive. Every form of torture your brain can come up with some one has faced, I nominate the world as hell for sure.
its hard to tell sometimes
yes, many people went through worse than how hell is described.
often by soccaled leaders, or , governments.
heaven, it cant be, i mean, how many people do exactly the things in life they really want to do?
Exactly. We don't know what we don't know. Lack of evidence is not proof of non existence.
I feel sorry for people who don't believe in God. They seem to think they are so intelligent looking to science for explanations. They say I can prove God doesn't exist with a scientific argument is to say you are all knowing yourself. Many atheists are confident in their believed intelligence proving their is no God but yet they couldn't pass a Calculus course or swap out a transmission on car because of their lack of knowledge. I know the last sentence is outrageous but so is saying I want to know the location of heaven with scientific proof. The belief of God is seen in every nation since the beginning of human recorded history. One of the main reasons for generation nothing is not having a moral compass due not knowing God.
Galeniko,
Where did we come from? Where did time, space, matter come from? Where did energy come from?
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going. Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...
Heaven is .......between Tito24's legs ;D ;D ;D
I beg to differ.
The concept of the beginning of time or what was before time began goes against the law of physics, there is no rational explanation for this whatsoever.
Matter at one point in either way had to be produced or it was there in an infinite regression, both equally do not make sense.
Space is expanding, we know this to be true so what do you call what it is expanding into. No rational explanation can be given for this either. It can not be expanding into more space cause the vary definition of space has to include space itself to be an expanding scenario.
These are mysteries questions of the origin of space, time and, matter that man IMHO will never be able answer logically, it is very weird to say the least. Does this prove God, absolutely not but it does not disprove God either.
i dont think "symplyhuge" is gonna come back, he dont think any further than what he wrote.
he wrote that, thought, he "layed the smack down" and left.
;D
jesus, matter can neither be CREATED nor destroyed, why can your god be eternal but something that exists and has this very property not? ::)Are you dumb or do you not know how to read. What you said matter can not be destroyed or created, well that is my point then it was always there right? Either way it is not rational. How long was it there smartass? 13 billion years? so what was matter 20 billion years ago. See that is how ignorant you are, you can not explain shit rationally, stop being dumb.
It's expanding into nothing, you are asking for a border because you know nothing of physics and your mind dictates one. However, whats outside that ad infinitium. It's nothing the universe by definition is all there is.
Are you dumb or do you not know how to read. What you said matter can not be destroyed or created, well that is my point then it was always there right? Either way it is not rational. How long was it there smartass? 13 billion years? so what was matter 20 billion years ago. See that is how ignorant you are, you can not explain shit rationally, stop being dumb.
wow you are a bonehead. serious you are real dumb, you really think there is logic in what you just wrote above dumbass.
So if matter was not created, it always existed, I mean always, 100000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years ago, ya ok, go smoke some more crack, wooooooooooooosh very logical
You obviously don't have any deeper understanding of the concept of time, do you? Not trying to be condescending, but seriously you should look into reading about physics a bit more.I have done enough to know that there is no rational explanations, even the theories and speculations, if true, are not rational. The very concept of time is impossible to explain. No matter how you slice it bro. If there was a beginning we would not be able to explain what started everything and if there was no beginning we would not be able to explain how something has no beginning. It is not hard to understand this bro.
I have done enough to know that there is no rational explanations, even the theories and speculations, if true, are not rational. The very concept of time is impossible to explain. No matter how you slice it bro. If there was a beginning we would not be able to explain what started everything and if there was no beginning we would not be able to explain how something has no beginning. It is not hard to understand this bro.
What I was getting at really is that when talking about the origins of the universe, it doesn't really mean anything when you talk about "100 trillion years ago" since time itself is bounded by the fabric of the universe itself and is not defined without it. No universe, no time basically. So to speak of the time before the universe is meaningless.This is my argument right there, exactly what you wrote and that is all I am trying to tell people. I am saying that if time had a beginning, it would make no sense and if it did not have a beginning, it would also make no sense, I see no other options here. I don`t need to have a Phd in physics to see this.
A lot of these concepts that deal with time and quantum theory don't make a lot sense to the human mind so don't expect them to.
wow you are a bonehead. serious you are real dumb, you really think there is logic in what you just wrote above dumbass.
So if matter was not created, it always existed, I mean always, 100000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years ago, ya ok, go smoke some more crack, wooooooooooooosh very logical
Heaven is .......between women's legs ;D ;D ;D
uebermans joining is still pending, the evangelism gonna be strong here ;Dyeah...these guys are just Blowin my Mind... ;D
thats a very very lenient interpretation ;Dits a dumbfuck approach. a 1000 years later a 'new' interpretation emerges that matches exactly with scientific understanding ::)
how comes the ppl believed the earth is flat?
I don't care to debate this matter, but I wanted to chime in and say that Necrosis is flaming homosexual.
its a dumbfuck approach. a 1000 years later a 'new' interpretation emerges that matches exactly with scientific understanding ::)let me add that had it not been thoroughly established by science and logic that the earth wasn't flat, these people would still be claiming that it was... all based on the bible.
cum again?::)
whats so brutal is, many many people knew long before it cant be flat, hell , whole civilisations ksuspected it, but the church was the law.it is astounding the ability of humans to rationalise and keep things going the way they have.
its brutal the church actually survived this when the truth came out.
This is my argument right there, exactly what you wrote and that is all I am trying to tell people. I am saying that if time had a beginning, it would make no sense and if it did not have a beginning, it would also make no sense, I see no other options here. I don`t need to have a Phd in physics to see this.
whats so brutal is, many many people knew long before it cant be flat, hell , whole civilisations ksuspected it, but the church was the law.
its brutal the church actually survived this when the truth came out.
like the evangelical crusades? ;D
ok, inquisition, with torture panels for heretics, then
Crusades were fought against invaders. I have no problems with the crusades. Not sure why anybody does.yes, sure ,
theyre promised virgins, depending how you view it.
btw, i do believe in a creating force, something definitely created everything, the universe didnt come from nowwhere, and if its origin is nothingness or whatever that is, thatll be the creator,resp creating force.
yeah...these guys are just Blowin my Mind... ;Dlol, how exactly are these guys blowing your mind? you mean you live in a cave buddy, ha, seriously you have not heard that half the world believes in a God, I mean it is a shock to you, this is the first you heard of this ???, really ???, wow, I mean it is blowing your mind away right?
According the the big bang theory time began with the big bang, there was no time before that. But it is still just a theory and I think we haven't been around long enough to come up with one that answers all things. The dinosaurs ruled for 160 million years, how long will man rule? I can't see us being here for another 5000 years.Yes you are right but still does not make sense
whats so brutal is, many many people knew long before it cant be flat, hell , whole civilisations ksuspected it, but the church was the law.Not to beat a dead horse or anything but I study history and the truth is no ancient man thought the world was flat, that is the biggest lie we have ever been taught and it has only been taught this in the last century. Big myth right there, no one ever thought the world was flat, why this spread is beyond me.
its brutal the church actually survived this when the truth came out.
Crusades were fought against invaders. I have no problems with the crusades. Not sure why anybody does.Bro I am a Christian and the Crusades were demonic to say the least, these men were so evil, they raped, they killed children and it was not in the name of God, that was just an excuse, they had hatred and were ambitious to conquer new territory, in fact Saladin was more of a gentlemen like war-lord then those fanatic crusaders.
Everybody who enters paradise will get the virgins, do you think they have slept with 20 guys before?The girls of paradise will be so beautiful , just looking at them will make you orgasm.the soul doesn't have sex. Souls don't mate. The main purpose for sex is reproduction, pleasure is a biproduct, to make you want to reproduce. It is only for the physical form. So there is no damn reason for people to be virgins, to have virgins, and it's funny how this "paradise" is only one for a man. Women seemingly, have no say, and just as in death, live a life of servitude and must be Virgins, even in death they cannot escape. And what about the men? Are they virgins as well, for these virgin women?
great site.that's funny, other people who have died said the exact opposite.
i've mentioned this before, a few years' back when people were contemplating the afterlife on here...
i met someone (an adult), who, when he was around 10 or so, drowned, and died. he was swimming in a river, got hit/caught somehow on branches etc and went under and drowned.
he said everything just fizzled out and went to a tiny white dot in his brain, (much like an old black and white tv set being turned off) which then disappeared, ie the moment he died. there was no tunnel of white light, angels, st. peter, god, allah, any of those imaginary figures, not even his granny showed up to welcome him to the next plane - there was absolutely nothing.
he was resuccitated on the riverbank after a few minutes, so he was most definitely dead for a period of time.
kinda sums up the whole non-existance of heaven, afterlife, fucking virgins for all eternity bullshit for me really....
quite cool to have met someone who'd actually died tho ;D
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
According the the big bang theory time began with the big bang, there was no time before that. But it is still just a theory and I think we haven't been around long enough to come up with one that answers all things. The dinosaurs ruled for 160 million years, how long will man rule? I can't see us being here for another 5000 years.according to the big bang theory the observable contents of the universe can be traced back to an extremely hot and dense state that eexpanded and cooled out into what we now observe as the cosmos.
according to the big bang theory the observable contents of the universe can be traced back to an extremely hot and dense state that eexpanded and cooled out into what we now observe as the cosmos.
it doesnt pretend to know how long that dense and hot state existed before expanding, nor does it pretend to know what existed outside of that dense and hot state.
its only the foolish and ignorant who say that "time began" at the big bang
according to the big bang theory the observable contents of the universe can be traced back to an extremely hot and dense state that eexpanded and cooled out into what we now observe as the cosmos.
it doesnt pretend to know how long that dense and hot state existed before expanding, nor does it pretend to know what existed outside of that dense and hot state.
its only the foolish and ignorant who say that "time began" at the big bang
jesus, matter can neither be CREATED nor destroyed, why can your god be eternal but something that exists and has this very property not? ::)
It's expanding into nothing, you are asking for a border because you know nothing of physics and your mind dictates one. However, whats outside that ad infinitium. It's nothing the universe by definition is all there is.
You do realise that Stephen hawking has theorised that Time began at THE BIG BANG, hard to know who to believe, a delusional getbigger or the worlds smartest physicist!
its only the foolish and ignorant who say that "time began" at the big bang
Obviously no one has any knowledge about the supernatural. Why you pose these questions as if they somehow make the existence of the unknown less likely, is beyond me.
You do realise that Stephen hawking has theorised that Time began at THE BIG BANG, hard to know who to believe, a delusional getbigger or the worlds smartest physicist!
Science will win because it works.
While I agree that time (as we understand it) starting at The Big Bang, a theory is just an opinion.What you stated is an Opinion, not a theory. A theory can be supported by facts and evidence, while an opinion is only what someone feels is true. Theories and Opinions and not the same, they are completely different. A Theory is an idea that can be tested or a testable concept that is used to explain an occurrence. For example, the science behind air flight is based on theories! Verifiable theories! If it was my opinion that a helicopter couldn't fly, it wouldn't affect the reality that it could.
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
I assume for the sake of this thread that "religious nutcases" refers to theists in general or anyone with religious beliefs? Although, this thread also appeared to call out Muslims specifically, but from an evangelical, born again Christian, bible beating, religious nutcase perspective I assume you're referring to the "third heaven"? Not necessarily the heavens in which we can see the birds flying through or the heavens in which the stars and planets are seen, but that heaven or "paradise" that is beyond our ability to see where God the Father resides? If that's the question then Christian scripture indicates it being located in the northern heavens beyond the stars. Where is it located exactly? I don't know.
Again, this is just a Christian, religious nutcase perspective....thanks!!
I love reading Tdongz posts. He is always trying to keep up with others in debates like these, and always gets OWNED! lol
Maybe God didn't always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence
according to the big bang theory the observable contents of the universe can be traced back to an extremely hot and dense state that eexpanded and cooled out into what we now observe as the cosmos.
it doesnt pretend to know how long that dense and hot state existed before expanding, nor does it pretend to know what existed outside of that dense and hot state.
its only the foolish and ignorant who say that "time began" at the big bang
tdongz is a funny name
I believe "Tdongz the dong scientist" was a Lovemonkey production.
who created god?
God created us for a reason. You do not create something if you dont need it. So if we exist it's because someone needs us, or what we produce. God then left a guide, so humans by themsleves will either choose to listen to Him, or be burnt by their animal tendencies. The whole point of mankind is to rise above the level of animality. We are grown like grass, improved like wine. Being human is a stage between being an animal, and something else. The only way to make good use of one's energy, "libido", is to work to build, create, to fight to defend and develop life, have meaninful emotional and sexual relationships. Those who believe in false religions or believe in absurdity, atheists, will make bad use of their life, their daily dose of energy. The only good way to make good use of this energey is to follow our Creator's guide he left us.
We dont choose to exist, to breath, our only choice is between good and evil, between light and darkness, between coldness or heat. We are links of a gigantic chain, of an experience, of a process. Molecules in a tube. A constant process of selection is at work. So no, God doesnt manipulate anyone like a muppet, we are "free" to choose to follow him or not, tho. This is our only "free will". But cant escape the rules of the game.
If God only left the Bible for the selection to happen between humans, if he doesnt directly modify,change anything in our existences, still, he has to verify once in a while the level of advancement of the experiment, so He, they, probably and logically check what's going on on here once in a while. But He doesnt interact with us. He said after the great flood, that he would never ever do such a thing again. That we would be left only with the Bible. Sometimes using the most miniscule things on earth he sends signs directly to humans by controlling directly life forms tho.
It is also interesting to notice that dinosaurs /vegetal remains produced oil that we are using nowadays, but that all of this has been destroyed by "meteors" coming from the sky... probably on purpose. It is at the same time interesting to notice that when God was still flying over the Earth with His "Glory", he destroyed sodome with... balls of fire coming from the sky after His angels left it with the only decent humans spared there.
Do not forget the Bible was written to be understood by our ancestors who were less evolved than us. But what can be understood by someone that is not very evolved, still can be (has to be) understood by someone of greater intelligence, ie some people of our times. This is why what was true, still is true, will always be true and that is why the Bible is perfect, because it is of Divine origine, while every others religions / systems of belief coming from humans, are false.
This will probably give you a more precise idea of what Heaven is ;)
let me put an Islamic perspective on this as Galineko said he has read the Qu'ran.coran is written by human robbers who copied the Bible which is of divine origine and came FIRST... The point of the coran was to imitate the Bible and make it serve their own interests. A sect, basically. This is why the coran is all about satisfying men... and not women. While the Bible is perfect in this sense as it allows both believing men and women to be happy following its principles.
"when Allah wished to create creation, he divided that Light into four parts and from the first made the Pen, from the second the Tablet, from the third the Throne, [and from the fourth everything else]." -hadith
So now pondering upon this, the "big-bang" was basically a ball of very hot,bright energy right? hm...think about this for a little while.
hahahhahahaok "deceiver", " team steroids" ::)
what a ton of unprecedented bullshit :D
ok "deceiver", " team steroids" ::)
No need to develop your own system of belief, it's pretty well summed up in your basic infos.
Let's see what you ll leave behind you ;)
coran is written by human robbers who copied the Bible which is of divine origine and came FIRST... The point of the coran was to imitate the Bible and make it serve their own interests. A sect, basically. This is why the coran is all about satisfying men... and not women. While the Bible is perfect in this sense as it allows both believing men and women to be happy following its principles.
well, when we go to toilet and have a shit, we dont need that, why do we create that?
" Uberman" FYI: Islam teachs us respect and kindess to others wither jewish, christian or muslim, even athiests. Please be respectful to me, I respect you as i Know we come from the same lord. if you want a debate we can have one but without name-calling, slandering...ect.
Same as you - nothing.So kids are "nothing"?
bro, that is a by-product not really somthing you created...lol.
well, when we go to toilet and have a shit, we dont need that, why do we create that?
you re not a real muslim then, probably a westernized muslim attracted by the judeo christian atheist society and its pleasures. You re already somehow abandonning islam slowly.
There is no debate needed anymore, now it's time for war, considering islam has declared war against christians and other religions. Buddhism is disapearing, confucianism is going nowhere, there can be only one remaining, the true one, and it wont be islam nor confucianism.
hahahaha oh really? your a peice of shit. time for war? LOL, yeah mr. keybord crusader!wow that was quick.
Please stay away from these topics and stick to creating threads about how you re attempting to get a "girlfriend" in your 30s...
lol who are you to tell Galeniko what to do?
trying to make friends achmed?
fyi, this thread was "created" by me, be nice to the creator :DButthurt cause you cant comprehend the answer from a "nutcase" ? Read the Bible then before trashing it and those who read it, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ASKING THEM WHAT/WHERE IS HEAVEN probably for a reason important enough to you to start a thread about it.
Butthurt cause you cant comprehend the answer from a "nutcase" ? Read the Bible then befoe trashing it and those who read it, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ASKING THEM WHAT/WHERE IS HEAVEN probably for a reason important enough to you to start a thread about it.
No I just find people like you repulsive. and you know what they say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"This is why i told you not to bullshit us with your crap, cause you re not here to debate anything in the firstplace, just to promote your crap which i exposed as being what it is, pure unalterated crap.
btw i've been on Getbig wayyy before the GH15 kig scam started. i was here in 2010 as a lurker, but people like you posting constant trash(especially against muslims) forced me to sign up.
listen to your own advice you loser. read the quran first then come and aruge about it, not the other way around.Well, no need to read the coran -which i read some versets from tho- to understand its consequences on mankind, just need to look at the shitholes you come from and...left to move the judeo christian built world, ironically. Says everything that needs to be known about your "faith".
This is why i told you not to bullshit us with your crap, cause you re not here to debate anything in the firstplace, just to promote your crap which i exposed as being what it is, pure unalterated crap.
listen to your own advice you loser. read the quran first then come and aruge about it, not the other way around.
Well, no need to read the coran -which i read some versets from tho- to understand its consequences on mankind, just need to look at the shitholes you come from and...probably left for the judeo christian built world, ironically.
You re not going anywhere with me achmed.
the koran is garbage... almost as retarded as the bible
reading it reduces your IQ
Sorry you feel that way man. I hope God guides you.
hahahahahahahaha
god is guiding me to another beer
to each his own bro
ok "bro".
"Hahaha", the wonders of globalization.
I am an american muslim you bitchNo, you re a muslim living in america -not the same- because your parents couldnt stand the shithole they came from and had better aspirations they couldnt achieve there because it's impossible to due to the nature of islamic countries and populations. Lost in a confusing world you mix stuff learnt, acquired here in occident with some pieces of the coran to build your current system of beliefs and give a meaning to your existence.
No, you re a muslim living in america -not the same- because your parents couldnt stand the shithole they came from and had better aspirations. Lost in a confusing world you mix stuff learnt, acquired here in occident with some pieces of the coran to build your current system of beliefs and give a meaning to your existence.
Of course there are similiarities between the Bible and the coran, as the coran is a copy made by men of the Bible that came First. This is probably, subconsciously, why your parents moved in the west, because they knew christianity was the real deal.
Now seeing atheism taking over the west and leading white people to stop reproducing, you muslims living in north america and occident in general see this as a sign proving islam is right and christianism is wrong, even if christianism is the reason why our societies seduced you and your parents and made you move here.
Without a doubt you and those of your kind have no future in north america as it will evolve in the next decades, but if you abandon your hypocritical belief and embrace the real and only true one.
It is interesting to notice tho, that it's american atheists that allowed dangerous clowns like you to settle in north america. I doubt christians wether they re protestants or catholics would have.
STFU you bitch.
i have read all the old and new testament, and there was no coordinates for a map to find heaven.
i have also read the quran.
lol poor uberman is scared of the truth. its alright truth hurts man. im done debating with you.
i agree, but it depend to whom you are referring to ;D
I hold the truth as i follow the only and real God, when you re just an uneducated clown believing in lies who just made an ass of himself.
Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out spanky.
seeing as you have read both, honestly which seems like it makes more sense?Bro why are you getting mad? If you respect Islam then keep your cool as a representative you should not be arrogant in your defence, especially at Uberman when we know all his screws aren't there, sorry Uberman but you say some wacky shit.
why do you assume something existed outside of the big bang or the singularity (which didn't actually physically exist)?wow you are really making a lot of sense ::)
What created the "hot dense state"? It just doesn't magically appear from nothing.or does it ?
I think you're half right on this...Time as WE KNOW IT did start at the big bang since that is the reference point that we use as the beginning of the universe..but time was always there......its eternalit certainlly feels intuitive to me that time is an eternal concept. i dont see any reason to designate any "beginning" or "end" to time "as we know it".. simply because im not sure we actually know anything about time anyways.
You do realise that Stephen hawking has theorised that Time began at THE BIG BANG, hard to know who to believe, a delusional getbigger or the worlds smartest physicist!most agree stephen hawking is a brilliant man. ive heard it said before that alot of his statements about metaphysical subjects such as time and god were just things he said to hype up his work and get more media coverage.
Science will win because it works.
(http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/owned/boxing-pwn.jpg)i had a little bit of resentment towards galeniko that i let go of by posting that vicious indictment. lol
What you stated is an Opinion, not a theory. A theory can be supported by facts and evidence, while an opinion is only what someone feels is true. Theories and Opinions and not the same, they are completely different. A Theory is an idea that can be tested or a testable concept that is used to explain an occurrence. For example, the science behind air flight is based on theories! Verifiable theories! If it was my opinion that a helicopter couldn't fly, it wouldn't affect the reality that it could.opinions can usually be tested and usually help to explain some occurence. also, theories are simply mental concepts. a theory is an opinion with consensues among individuals based on observed "facts".
why do you assume something existed outside of the big bang or the singularity (which didn't actually physically exist)?i dont assume anything either way. why assert there was nothing or something outside of it? on what grounds could you make either assertion?
oh this jst crossed my mind, if peope ask what was there before the big bang, i got to answer that with another question.god is a concept, and within the generally accepted definition of that concept is the idea of eternality. which means questioning the origin or beginning of the concept is contradictory.
who created god?
LOL never heard that one before
I believe "Tdongz the dong scientist" was a Lovemonkey production.
oh this jst crossed my mind, if peope ask what was there before the big bang, i got to answer that with another question.Exactly true my friend, you are right by asking that in return you are giving them a question that is impossible to answer as they did to you, so in reality the answer to both questions would not be rational and would not make sense to the human mind.
who created god?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor wiling?
Then why call him God.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?well if you go to land a plane your instructor will interfere if you are about to crash it right? of course.... Now if you are about to crash the plane on a simulator would your instructor interfere? No of course not because it is the only done on the simulator....... You follow?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor wiling?
Then why call him God.
Exactly true my friend, you are right by asking that in return you are giving them a question that is impossible to answer as they did to you, so in reality the answer to both questions would not be rational and would not make sense to the human mind.i dont know about that. eternity is a concept i find very easy to slip into. its the concept of personal non-existence which i find to be difficult to get inside of.
well if you go to land a plane your instructor will interfere if you are about to crash it right? of course.... Now if you are about to crash the plane on a simulator would your instructor interfere? No of course not because it is the only done on the simulator....... You follow?..because everybody is flying around in simulators.. 8) kind of like the matrix 8) death is the end of the game.. you can get back in and level up or down if necessary.. go on forever getting better and better moving up in levels... 8)
i dont know about that. eternity is a concept i find very easy to slip into. its the concept of personal non-existence which i find to be difficult to get inside of.I have no idea what you are talking about bro, but to say one is easier then the other is dumb when both are impossible anyway, it does not matter what you feel that one is easier to grasp then the other, saying that is stupid. When you can not grasp something you simply can't, no such a thing as "one is easier" HS
i would argue that the concept of an eternal energy that creates all things is much easier to settle inside of than the idea of some temporal, meaningless, uncaused, "existence" that ends with non-existence and the absence of knowledge or awareness of any kind.
..because everybody is flying around in simulators.. 8) kind of like the matrix 8) death is the end of the game.. you can get back in and level up or down if necessary.. go on forever getting better and better moving up in levels... 8)I guess. All I know is this life is just a small dot in the grande scheme of things, it is 1 part in a trillion, even less so that is why God does not play the hero every time someone stumbles.
I have no idea what you are talking about bro, but to say one is easier then the other is dumb when both are impossible anyway, it does not matter what you feel that one is easier to grasp then the other, saying that is stupid. When you can not grasp something you simply can't, no such a thing as "one is easier" HS
I can not grasp the the concept of God, nor to I understand God, I believe in God out of faith.
Bro why are you getting mad? If you respect Islam then keep your cool as a representative you should not be arrogant in your defence, especially at Uberman when we know all his screws aren't there, sorry Uberman but you say some wacky shit.
Now to answer your question they both make equal sense.
You mean opinion because what you find easy to grasp as what you stated above others do not and neither of you are wrong in thinking in either direction.
let me put it simply = i can easily imagine living forever and being eternal. i feel as if i am an eternal being. i can not imagine a beginning or an end.
you base your belief in god on faith? whats faith exactly? and what do you mean by "believe"? ( i personally base my leaning towards theism upon observable evidence - i dont have any "faith" )
ha, man you know better then me, keeping your cool while aruging with uberman aint easy lol.Ya just internet smack talk, nothing more.
I was just trying to give Galeniko an islamic perpesctive and right on queue Getbigs resident key board crusader comes and starts bashing the religon he knows nothing about.
I glad you respect Islam, I respect your faith too bro.
i have read all the old and new testament, and there was no coordinates for a map to find heaven.haha sure... very credible especially coming from you. Basically you studied theology right?
i have also read the quran.
haha sure... very credible coming from you.7. Genesis 38:8-10
7. Genesis 38:8-10I don't follow ??? ??? ???
NASB
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
KJV
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
I don't follow ??? ??? ???lol, probably because there s nothing to understand, dude doesnt even understand what he s trying to say anymore, now babbling that stupid shit about "my grandfather" nobody finds interesting/funny etc, obviously nearing a breakdown of epic proportions.
your that is.........
7. Genesis 38:8-10Dorothy Parker's parakeet was named Onan because he always spilled his seed. :)
NASB
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
KJV
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
lol, probably because there s nothing to understand, dude doesnt even understand what he s trying to say anymore, now babbling that stupid shit about "my grandfather" nobody finds interesting/funny etc, obviously nearing a breakdown of epic proportions.5. Exodus 4:24-25
5. Exodus 4:24-25what is your point? seriously? or are we just having a poor attempt at trolling here.
NASB
Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said, “You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”
what is your point? seriously? or are we just having a poor attempt at trolling here.KJV
KJVThe name Jezebel came to be associated with false prophets, and further associated by the early 20th century with fallen or abandoned women.[6] In Christian lore, a comparison to Jezebel suggested that a person was a pagan or an apostate masquerading as a servant of God. By manipulation and/or seduction, she misled the saints of God into sins of idolatry and sexual immorality.[7] In particular, Jezebel has come to be associated with promiscuity. In modern usage, the name of Jezebel is sometimes used as a synonym for sexually promiscuous and sometimes controlling women,[8][9] In his two-volume Guide to the Bible (1967 and 1969), Isaac Asimov describes Jezebel's last act: dressing in all her finery, make-up and jewelry, as deliberately symbolic, indicating her dignity, royal status and determination to go out of this life as a Queen.
And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
KJVAnd when Jehu king of Israel had come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put paint on her eyes and adorned her head, and looked through a window. Then, as Jehu entered at the gate she said, “Is it peace Zimri, murderer of your master?”
And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
And when Jehu king of Israel had come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put paint on her eyes and adorned her head, and looked through a window. Then, as Jehu entered at the gate she said, “Is it peace Zimri, murderer of your master?”Only I eat the flesh of Jezebelle.
And Jehu looked up at the window, and said,
“Who is on my side? Who?”
And two or three eunuchs looked out at him. Then Jehu commanded,
“Throw her down!”
So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered on the wall and on the horses; and he trampled her underfoot.
And when Jehu had gone in, he ate and drank. Then he said, “Go now, see to this accursed woman, and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.”
So they went to bury her, but they found no more of her than the skull and the feet and the palms of her hand. Therefore they came back and told him.
And Jehu said, “This is the word of the Lord, which HE spoke by his servant Elijah the Tishbite saying, ‘On the plot of the ground at Jezreel dogs shall eat the flesh of Jezebel; And the corpse of Jezebel shall be as refuse on the surface of the field, in the plot at Jezreel, so that they shall not say, “Here lies Jezebel.” ‘ “—2Kings 9:30-37
Only I eat the flesh of Jezebelle.very evil name, who would name their kid that horrendous name. :-\ :-\ :-\
very evil name, who would name their kid that horrendous name. :-\ :-\ :-\
it's a beautiful name. Jezebel Delilah Abeles. De-LII-Lah!??? Is that her middle name or who's name is that?^^^
last thing...
??? Is that her middle name or who's name is that?^^^
Do Muslims eat poop?
No, why do you?Define Poop.
nah, ive actually read them.
i even remember some stuff.
i remember one detail i thought is weird, youre supposed to give silver(i think it was silver) to a not banker, but whatever they called them back then, and hed double or tripple the investment.
the scripture called everyone dumb who doesnt do that.
i read it in german so forgive me if i dont know the english terms
Define Poop.
poop= pork and alcohal ;DIf Muslims don`t eat poop, then why does it always smell like someone pooped in their mouth? ???
poop= pork and alcohal ;D
her middle name is Delilah. why is that so amazing? named after the famous radio personality.Bullshit bro, I don't buy that for 1 second. Who ever named her was a devil worshipper. I studied Freemason and Satanic worship and they all give their children these names like Delilah and Jezebel and to have them both is certainly no coincidence, her parents or whoever named her were devil worshippers for sure. Jezebel and Delilah are the most evil names in the Bible.
I feel sorry for people who don't believe in God. They seem to think they are so intelligent looking to science for explanations.
They say I can prove God doesn't exist with a scientific argument is to say you are all knowing yourself.
The belief of God is seen in every nation since the beginning of human recorded history. One of the main reasons for generation nothing is not having a moral compass due not knowing God.
poop= pork and alcohal ;D
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
I assume for the sake of this thread that "religious nutcases" refers to theists in general or anyone with religious beliefs? Although, this thread also appeared to call out Muslims specifically, but from an evangelical, born again Christian, bible beating, uneducated, moronic, religious nutcase perspective I assume you're referring to the "third heaven"? Not necessarily the heavens in which we can see the birds flying through or the heavens in which the stars and planets are seen, but that heaven or "paradise" that is beyond our ability to see where God the Father resides? If that's the question then Christian scripture indicates it being located in the northern heavens beyond the stars. Where is it located exactly?I don't know.Again, this is just a Christian, religious nutcase perspective....thanks!!
But He doesnt interact with us. He said after the great flood, that he would never ever do such a thing again. That we would be left only with the Bible. Sometimes using the most miniscule things on earth he sends signs directly to humans by controlling directly life forms tho.
It is also interesting to notice that dinosaurs /vegetal remains produced oil that we are using nowadays, but that all of this has been destroyed by "meteors" coming from the sky... probably on purpose. It is at the same time interesting to notice that when God was still flying over the Earth with His "Glory", he destroyed sodome with... balls of fire coming from the sky after His angels left it with the only decent humans spared there.
Do not forget the Bible was written to be understood by our ancestors who were less evolved than us. But what can be understood by someone that is not very evolved, still can be (has to be) understood by someone of greater intelligence, ie some people of our times. This is why what was true, still is true, will always be true and that is why the Bible is perfect, because it is of Divine origine, while every others religions / systems of belief coming from humans, are false.
This will probably give you a more precise idea of what Heaven is ;)
Not mention all halal food. :D
Galeniko,If I found a computer in the woods, I would take it home and log on Getbig and post stories about Grandpa.
Where did we come from? Where did time, space, matter come from? Where did energy come from?
If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?
Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going. Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...
If Muslims don`t eat poop, then why does it always smell like someone pooped in their mouth? ???
No I even understand halal food -
but not the pork!
Not mention all halal food. :D
LOL so you eat poop everyday? becuase everything is HALAL besides pork and alcohal. ;D
Have you seen the food muslims eat in the middleeast? Pure shit in sauce. besides they stink to high heaven. I pity anyone who is stuck in a plane or bus with a muslim family.the only muslims who have some hygiene are the westernised ones.
Have you seen the food muslims eat in the middleeast? Pure shit in sauce. besides they stink to high heaven. I pity anyone who is stuck in a plane or bus with a muslim family.the only muslims who have some hygiene are the westernised ones.
Dunno what you are eating! But there are some Middle Eastern dishes that are AMAZING!
becuase they dont follow the recommendations of the Prophet Muhammad ;) your supose to wash yourself before every prayer(5 a day), including brushing your teeth ;). infact its said if someone eats somthing smelly(garlic, onion) its recomended not to step foot into a mosque and join people in prayer until you freshen your mouth ;)What are you supposed to do after oral sex? ???
shawarma(sp?) all day :P
What are you supposed to do after oral sex? ???
ohh come-on man, dont say just "shit in sauce", its not that bad im not arab, but some food is good(sharma is good) and some dont taste as good. but culture has nothing to do with islam, so its not that Islam stinks but rather a certain countys food that stinks. 8)
As far as heaven and hell are concerned - they are juat fairy tales to scare people into doing the right things. Sort of like santa in christmas. Be good or santa will bring no gifts.
So far there is no evidence of heaven and hell. No one can report back after death to say yeah or nay. Its a man made tale like grimms fairy tales to dupe the sheep.
From what i recall there was a disease similar to mad cow that affected pigs and that warning of not to eat pork got entangled with religion.
Pigs are clean animals. They are dumped into slop and mud by people hence the reason they get muddied up. Some people keep pigs as pets and they are pretty clean and smarter than dogs.
You would think they have computers and internet in heaven, someone would get on GetBig and let us know what its like, right?
lol oh stefano stefano.. how ignorant you are.
Trust me, my grandparents had a pig farm (remember I wasn't born Muslim), they don't anymore though, but pigs are anything BUT clean animals. They are literally nature's garbage eaters. They will eat ANYTHING. In fact the funny thing is just the other day I was talking to this Jamaican dude, he was telling me how back in Jamaica they literally used to throw all their garbage over the fence to the pigs and they would eat it all.
They roll in their own piss, shit, they screw their own siblings, the whole works. One of the most disgusting and unhealthy animals. There's a reason we are told not to eat it.
The stomach of a pig it's metabolism is unlike a cow for example. A cow will be processing what it eats for a looong time, while a pig it will fly through it real fast, so imagine, with so little processing, cleansing etc... pig eats some shit and gets slaughtered within few hours, you'll be consumming part of that shit somewhere along its parasitic meat.
The stomach of a pig it's metabolism is unlike a cow for example. A cow will be processing what it eats for a looong time, while a pig it will fly through it real fast, so imagine, with so little processing, cleansing etc... pig eats some shit and gets slaughtered within few hours, you'll be consumming part of that shit somewhere along its parasitic meat.
You have to wash up after any sexual activity before praying.
You even have to wash up after farting before praying!
Kung Pao Dachshund?
haha yes :D
get a cut and bleed? YOU MUST WASH!
fall sleep? YOU MUST WASH!
fart or use the bathroom? YOU MUST WASH!
have sex? YOU MUST WASH (even more then usual)!
throwup? YOU MUST WASH!
its honestly beyond me how people can say Islam and dirty in the same setence when there SO MUCH WASHING!(which is very good)
haha yes :D
get a cut and bleed? YOU MUST WASH!
fall sleep? YOU MUST WASH!
fart or use the bathroom? YOU MUST WASH!
have sex? YOU MUST WASH (even more then usual)!
throwup? YOU MUST WASH!
its honestly beyond me how people can say Islam and dirty in the same setence when there SO MUCH WASHING!(which is very good)
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
::)
Visit some muslim countries and see for yourself. Your orientation starts at the airport or possibly the plane itself.
This guy in india told me that his uncle refused to let muslims stay at his hotel becuase the cleanup afterwards was horrible plus theey pack like 10 people into one room and make a mess. Tbat says a lot since delhi smells like a garbage dump already.
As for washing practically all cultures wash regularily with the advent of plumbing...except maybe the french and certain euros.
try honesty
Visit some muslim countries and see for yourself. Your orientation starts at the airport or possibly the plane itself.
This guy in india told me that his uncle refused to let muslims stay at his hotel becuase the cleanup afterwards was horrible plus theey pack like 10 people into one room and make a mess. Tbat says a lot since delhi smells like a garbage dump already.
As for washing practically all cultures wash regularily with the advent of plumbing...except maybe the french and certain euros.
Actually and Arabs there... well at least Egyptians - we've had this discussion before... It baffles me that Americans/westerners, for being a culture so cautious about hygiene, do not use a bidet to wash their ass after they shit.
After I take a shit I use a bidet and power wash my ass to get rid of all those annoying dingle berries, then I wipe with toilet papers and feel so fresh and so clean!
I always bring that up, but these fellas keep then ranting about us 'washing our asses' and how its filthy... such irony that most non muslims will just slide with dry paper. One islamophobe on here tried to excuse himself by saying he uses a sanitizer wipe and still kept attacking muslims for cleaning themselves after pooing.
Anyways... these people are hard headed and with only a motive to ridicule.
You wouldn't wash a ferrari with a 'sanitizer wipe' or dry paper... so why not use real water? The big deal? It's hilarious how they keep ranting about Muslims stinking, being dirty, etc... when in fact it's a part of our religion to be hygene, wash ourselves repeatedly etc...
Here in canada only so many years ago they had a 'campaign' of washing your hands before/after eating, going to the bathroom. Serious campaign. I was like wait people don't wash when they go and pee or eat? Mind boggling and I wasn't even muslim that time.
We have ONE guy at work who we ALL KNOW doesn't wash his hands after he goes to the washroom. NEVER shake his hands... disgusting guy and he's a manger... i've witnessed it myself, goes in, pisses in the urinal, leaves straight! DISGUSTING!
Muslims invented the modern soap! Romans invented a soap using pig or cow urine. Big difference lol. So called 'soap'.
The British royals hired a MUSLIM in the 1800s to TEACH them how to shower and wash themselves... they gave him the title of a 'shower surgeon' look it up yourself.
Europeans barely ever showered once a year. One of the problems Arab Muslims had when fighting crusader christians was their stench as they never showered.
So it's quite ironic and hilarious all the attacks.
I've lived amongst Arabs as a non muslim and yes some people are not hygene, but overall majority of ppl are hygene. The same can be said about some white people here.. I have some white folks at work (I am white lol so don't assume just because I am saying them white ppl at work), who when I get close to them talking or they get close to me, I can't wait to get away from them.. their mouth odor STINKS and no they don't eat no damn curry it just STINKS for whatever unhygene reason and their body odours.
As far as heaven and hell are concerned - they are juat fairy tales to scare people into doing the right things. Sort of like santa in christmas. Be good or santa will bring no gifts.What difference would it make if a man made it back to report after he died. If half the world died and came back and told you you would still hold the position that no one has died and made it back cause as long as it was not you you wouldn't believe so your little theory there on no one coming back after death is retarted
So far there is no evidence of heaven and hell. No one can report back after death to say yeah or nay. Its a man made tale like grimms fairy tales to dupe the sheep.
Religion = opiate of the masses.
Rejected by the wise and regarded by rulers as........useful. :)
thats what your sister said
If something exists, nothing has never existed, for nothing can never create something, therefore somethign has always existed. The essence of this thing is to exist ie eternity is the only option. The universe is eternal. God is a failed hypothesis.Eternity is just as impossible. Nothing logical about the concept of eternity, nothing. You have a problem with either scenario Einstein.
I always bring that up, but these fellas keep then ranting about us 'washing our asses' and how its filthy... such irony that most non muslims will just slide with dry paper. One islamophobe on here tried to excuse himself by saying he uses a sanitizer wipe and still kept attacking muslims for cleaning themselves after pooing.
Anyways... these people are hard headed and with only a motive to ridicule.
You wouldn't wash a ferrari with a 'sanitizer wipe' or dry paper... so why not use real water? The big deal? It's hilarious how they keep ranting about Muslims stinking, being dirty, etc... when in fact it's a part of our religion to be hygene, wash ourselves repeatedly etc...
Here in canada only so many years ago they had a 'campaign' of washing your hands before/after eating, going to the bathroom. Serious campaign. I was like wait people don't wash when they go and pee or eat? Mind boggling and I wasn't even muslim that time.
We have ONE guy at work who we ALL KNOW doesn't wash his hands after he goes to the washroom. NEVER shake his hands... disgusting guy and he's a manger... i've witnessed it myself, goes in, pisses in the urinal, leaves straight! DISGUSTING!
Muslims invented the modern soap! Romans invented a soap using pig or cow urine. Big difference lol. So called 'soap'.
The British royals hired a MUSLIM in the 1800s to TEACH them how to shower and wash themselves... they gave him the title of a 'shower surgeon' look it up yourself.
Europeans barely ever showered once a year. One of the problems Arab Muslims had when fighting crusader christians was their stench as they never showered.
So it's quite ironic and hilarious all the attacks.
I've lived amongst Arabs as a non muslim and yes some people are not hygene, but overall majority of ppl are hygene. The same can be said about some white people here.. I have some white folks at work (I am white lol so don't assume just because I am saying them white ppl at work), who when I get close to them talking or they get close to me, I can't wait to get away from them.. their mouth odor STINKS and no they don't eat no damn curry it just STINKS for whatever unhygene reason and their body odours.
If something exists, nothing has never existed, for nothing can never create something, therefore somethign has always existed. The essence of this thing is to exist ie eternity is the only option. The universe is eternal. God is a failed hypothesis.
haha, and you consider yourself american.
in western civilisation, bidets are for women, you flaming homosexual ;D
i heard the ultra orthodox jews dont wash themselves very often, to not waste water btw.im not joking, thats what you hear here, is there something to this?
adonis? :D
Talking from a muslim perspective, in heaven there is no heat/cold/temperature regulation.
Nobody gets sick there,you dont get old, no diseases there, no worries or sadness there,people dont sweat, people dont go the toilet, it will be a perfect place which no man can ever imagine.It will be a place where you can eat/drink and have sex for all of eternity in which you will never ever die in.
Not to sure what you mean by the virgin part.
Haven is located in a homo-sapiens mind. These who are afraid of death - think of various funny stuff to calm themselves down.. I'm sometimes quite impressed with their imagination and the level of nonsense they come up with (talk Bible or Quran)..
Eternity is just as impossible. Nothing logical about the concept of eternity, nothing. You have a problem with either scenario Einstein.
Actually we know the universe had a beginning so... you fail. Big bang fail.
lol, it's logically demanded.Well does going backwards (eternally) forever and ever make any sense? does it?
If something exists, nothing has never existed, for nothing can never create something, therefore somethign has always existed. The essence of this thing is to exist ie eternity is the only option. The universe is eternal. God is a failed hypothesis.i absolutely agree with you in terms of intuition on the subject of eternity, but i dont see why you connect an eternal universe with being contradictory to the idea of god. have you not considered that the universe is but a subset of god? or that the two are simply one and the same?
Dorothy Parker's parakeet was named Onan because he always spilled his seed. :)
one cant be positive about any of this.Sorry if I mis judged your position on the matter (no pun intended) yesterday but I did not hear you say what you are saying now, that "(we cant be certain of ANYTHING)" but what you wrote above I am in agreement with^^^
but as i said before, eternity is fairly obvious to myself.
infinite space and eternal time.
these two concepts just feel very intuitive and natural.
of course, i cant be certain about it. (we cant be certain of ANYTHING)
as for the "big bang".. the theory onnly traces back history to a point in time.. it does not say whether there was existence before that, or outside of it. it can not say.
Dorothy Parker's parakeet was named Onan because he always spilled his seed. :)
SHAVE PUBIC/UNDERARM HAIR,
Is this why arabs will shave their pubes in public showers, at the gym for example?
It's only arabs that I've seen do this.
Is this why arabs will shave their pubes in public showers, at the gym for example?
It's only arabs that I've seen do this.
My training partner was so disgusted by this he told some guy, "are you shaving your balls to make that tiny cock look bigger? You got tiny biceps and a tiny cock". :D
Wait... why and how is your 'training partner' (and you), checking out another guy's dicks/balls?
Wait... why and how is your 'training partner' (and you), checking out another guy's dicks/balls?
The question still remains lol.. why were you staring at his balls/dick/whatever he is doing? lmao
And I am not Arab either. I'm sure we can find some white people who do this shit lol.
God is and alwas will be, forever, the who dosent die. Now everything else was created, so universe wasnt alwas their(it couldnt be), god created the universe and who knows what else we dont know about.
God-alwas was, not created, but the creator of everything
everything else- was created at some point in time by God.
And you know this how?
Oh right just more religious psychobabble.
Faith
1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
I strongly believe becuase i have strong faith. All the proof i need is in the Quran, Quran for me is proof enough
Blind faith actually. The only evidence you've accepted is the words in a book compiled centuries ago. A book written when mankind belived anything. A practice that some people continue to this day becuause of their fear of the unknown.
Do you believe in God ,Stefano ?
Oh absolutely. Every now and then i like to suspend rational thinking read grimms fairy tales and beleive.
Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?
Its completely rational to believe that events have causes, and thus its completely rational to assume the universe had a creator
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But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.the generally accepted conception of god is an eternal one..
But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.
But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.This is the point I have been trying to make this whole thread. Let's take 3 scenario's;
Actually we know the universe had a beginning so... you fail. Big bang fail.You don't know anything, but you pretend to know everything.
You don't know anything, but you pretend to know everything.??? ??? ??? ???
I'm not fooled.
Grow up.
??? ??? ??? ???Yes, I mock people who pretend to know things.
Aren't you the one that posts those childish pictures all the time mocking others people's belief over on the religious board, no offence but hardly the candidate to be telling someone to grow up, hey just saying ;) 8)
Yes, I mock people who pretend to know things.No one pretends to know things, that is what they believe.
Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?
Its completely rational to believe that events have causes, and thus its completely rational to assume the universe had a creator
the generally accepted conception of god is an eternal one..
Who/what has created a creator himself? (going by that logic).Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain
The fact is - universe without a creator is explainable way easier than with it.
I'm a bit late to the symposium, but, with the exception of a few, I see that the Dunning-Kruger hypothesis is in full effect at Getbig Theological Seminary. How so many of you got past the admissions committee is one more thing I'll never know
Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?
Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain
What you stated is an Opinion, not a theory. A theory can be supported by facts and evidence, while an opinion is only what someone feels is true. Theories and Opinions and not the same, they are completely different. A Theory is an idea that can be tested or a testable concept that is used to explain an occurrence. For example, the science behind air flight is based on theories! Verifiable theories! If it was my opinion that a helicopter couldn't fly, it wouldn't affect the reality that it could.
It's pretty clear that either of these terms really means "what I'm able to comprehend" and/or "whatever is in line with my intuitions" to you. Now, they have definite meanings besides the way you use them, and I encourage you to look these up and see whether what you say is still true -- or even meaningful -- under the new (proper) readings of the terms.Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax ;)
Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax ;)
you see the problem is your point was not understood, because you are dead wrong, perhaps because you have no idea what you are talking about.My point is understood, but you are just playing dumb, you know full well what I mean. So let me explain it again in kindergarden terms so you can understand.
A theory is a collection of facts that explains those facts. The big bang best explains the epochs, expansion, red shift etc.
Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain
Who cares, my point was understood. Stop trying to put a twist on things to sound smart, this is getbig not University, relax ;)
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
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We don't know what your point is and it's entirely possible you didn't actually have one in mind when you locked in your post.Games, how childish are we, you just argued that you were not aware of what I meant, which I find pretty stupid, I mean a grade 2 would have understood. So you continued to hold that position then you write this^^^^(the last paragraph) wow bravo. You are either incredibly dumb to not have understood or you were playing dumb, either way you accomplished nothing.
If you're using the standard meanings of the words in question then you're wrong: there simply isn't anything irrational or illogical about either explanation the physicist may give (though that doesn't mean either answer is correct).
Meanwhile, if all you're saying is that either explanation is confusing, weird, or not in line with your intuitions, then you haven't said much of anything: the right answer is going to be weird either way, and nobody cares what your personal intuitions say about the matter (they just aren't relevant in determining the way the world works).
i sense arrogance. i think the root of athiesm is arrogance. they cannot accepct the fact there are just a mere creation, without any power to do things themselves. they say "you are afraid of the unknown, or afraid of death" but infact THEY are the ones afraid.
why is the creator exempt? because he makes the rules! did your parents ever tell you "as long you live under my roof, you follow my rules?". imagine a parent tells their kid his bed time is 9:00 pm, does the kid have the right to say "but dad you stay up to 11:30 pm watching tv, why are you exempt from the rule?".
God has power to do all things, i mean why is this so hard to grasp? there is no "rules". God does what he wants period! if God wants he can strike you with lighting right now, or turn you into a monkey, or into a rock ect. so when the matter comes to eternity, God is eternal, just becuase you cannot grasp the idea dosent mean it dosent exsist.
once you die, you'll find out if heaven or hell really exist
Exactly. However since no one has come back from the dead to prove or disprove heaven or hell it remains a man made theory.Let's pretend half the world died and came back from the dead and said there is a heaven. Nothing would change at all, you would still write what you wrote here exactly in the same manner because as long as it was not you you still would not believe it.
Let's pretend half the world died and came back from the dead and said there is a heaven. Nothing would change at all, you would still write what you wrote here exactly in the same manner because as long as it was not you you still would not believe it.
13 pages and still no GPS fix ON GOD!?
13 pages and still no GPS fix!?
noble price potential right there ;D
Question. Are tapeworms and gerbils also up for "judgement" also? ???
you just argued that you were not aware of what I meant. So you continued to hold that position then you write this^^^^(the last paragraph)
oh and it is not my intuition, no human can explain infinity, the concept is flawed.
yes you get that often in GetBig .. kids still at school trying to show how clever they are with big words but never getting to the fucking point !!so true
Bro serious, no offence but I am not going to read your post, it is to long and a waste of time. Bro we go long back and 90% of our bickering is cause you want everything politically correct, always arguing on grammar, terminology and really not talking about the subject at hand. OK we get it you are smart and educated but for crying out loud bro you sure waste a lot of time beating around the bush.
Like I said infinity is not a rational concept. It is fairy tale, it is not and can not be real. From a mathematical perspective it does not exist, hence it makes no sense. Give me 2 numbers that add up to infinity. You can not. It can not be divided or multiplied, it simply is an illusion, not real, get over it.
And for your information I was born in Costa Rica, speaking Spanish. English is my second language so sue me :P :) :D ;D
Bullshit bro, I don't buy that for 1 second. Who ever named her was a devil worshipper. I studied Freemason and Satanic worship and they all give their children these names like Delilah and Jezebel and to have them both is certainly no coincidence, her parents or whoever named her were devil worshippers for sure. Jezebel and Delilah are the most evil names in the Bible.
i sense arrogance. i think the root of athiesm is arrogance. they cannot accepct the fact there are just a mere creation, without any power to do things themselves. they say "you are afraid of the unknown, or afraid of death" but infact THEY are the ones afraid.
why is the creator exempt? because he makes the rules! did your parents ever tell you "as long you live under my roof, you follow my rules?". imagine a parent tells their kid his bed time is 9:00 pm, does the kid have the right to say "but dad you stay up to 11:30 pm watching tv, why are you exempt from the rule?".
God has power to do all things, i mean why is this so hard to grasp? there is no "rules". God does what he wants period! if God wants he can strike you with lighting right now, or turn you into a monkey, or into a rock ect. so when the matter comes to eternity, God is eternal, just becuase you cannot grasp the idea dosent mean it dosent exsist.
Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?
What if YOU are wrong and this god you've worshipped isn't the right god, and the real god is pissed you dissed him by following this Allah character? That is as likely a scenario as any
What if YOU are wrong and this god you've worshipped isn't the right god, and the real god is pissed you dissed him by following this Allah character? That is as likely a scenario as any
It's important to pick the correct God.
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ALL I see is misery and death. What god allows that?
Tell my why god allows every wrong thing to happen? Children raped, beaten, killed, starved, etc.,if god intervened in your affairs to not allow you the ability to do evil, would you really have free will? would you be an independent entity?
NO such thing as FREE will. Peter was FORCED to deny Jesus three times. It was his destiny mandated by Jesus. Same thing with Jonah, etc., these people were forced
NO such thing as FREE will. Peter was FORCED to deny Jesus three times. It was his destiny mandated by Jesus. Same thing with Jonah, etc., these people were forcedif your thinking on the issue is limited to man made stories, then i fear i wasnt addressing you appropriately.
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My Heaven.
Bro serious, no offence but I am not going to read your post, it is to long and a waste of time. Bro we go long back and 90% of our bickering is cause you want everything politically correct, always arguing on grammar, terminology and really not talking about the subject at hand. OK we get it you are smart and educated but for crying out loud bro you sure waste a lot of time beating around the bush.
Like I said infinity is not a rational concept. It is fairy tale, it is not and can not be real. From a mathematical perspective it does not exist, hence it makes no sense. Give me 2 numbers that add up to infinity. You can not. It can not be divided or multiplied, it simply is an illusion, not real, get over it.
yeah, tell me about free will when someone is pointing a gun to my head
rememeber in math class? the ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, ten thousand well after time its going to read millions then billion then triilions and it keeps going...infiniti is real and rationalThat part is easy to understand, no one is talking about that. There is nothing on the other side of the = sign.
keeps going forever
.0001
.001
.01
.1
1
10
100
1000
10000
100000
1000000
...forever goes
i agree, to measure with human brain doesnt cut either option.Thank you, finally someone can admit it, PhD Necrosis and PhD syntaxmachine think that eternal, infinity or whatever term you want to use to measure the past is clear and perfectly measurable with our brain in the same way 1+1=2.
some nasa scientist once said, for the stuf they cant explain yet about the universe, they refer further to the bible.
the big bang, i can understand how it happened, theres layman explanations, but if it was the first one or even the start of everything is unknown even to the top scientists.
and i think that they just take wild guesses on black holes, none of how they work is proven.
That part is easy to understand, no one is talking about that. There is nothing on the other side of the = sign.
The mathematical meaning of the term "actual" in actual infinity is synonymous with definite, completed, extended or existential,[1] but not to be mistaken for physically existing. The question of whether natural or real numbers form definite sets is therefore independent of the question of whether infinite things exist physically in nature.
Nothing physical can exist infinitely. Even the stars will cease to exist.And it isnt created, or destroyed, per se, it is simply constantly transformed/transforming.
I have a PhD.....in being freakin awesome.
I have a PhD.....in being freakin awesome.
ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.Haha, humans trying to understand things much greater than them.
now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.
another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?
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Haha, humans trying to understand things much greater than them.
Let me break it down for you. You came into this world and shit in your pants a few years. Your mommy had to change your diapers on a regular basis. All this of course was possible because some entity made it possible. Even if it happened on its own life was made possible by some entity. Your body is a highly complex design magnitudes greater than anything humans have ever invented to date.
And here is the funny part, you think nothing had a hand in it. Yet when I show you a house and tell you it built itself you will think I am crazy.
As humans we need to be humble and realize our time is short here. Once you die your smart ass attitude goes with you somewhere.
Hope that helps!
Good luck with your choice for the after life. It will be the biggest decision you ever make in your life.
Nothing physical can exist infinitely. Even the stars will cease to exist.Tell that to PhD necrosis and PhD syntaxmachine they think infinitely is physically possible and their brains can have a clear understanding of it.
Tell that to PhD necrosis and PhD syntaxmachine they think infinitely is physically possible and their brains can have a clear understanding of it.
Tell that to PhD necrosis and PhD syntaxmachine they think infinitely is physically possible and their brains can have a clear understanding of it.
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AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!that is amazing acting skills, wow.
where did all those Nazis that you worship go to????Who said I worshipped Nazis? See that is the problem with you liberals. You think life is a series of Nazis lol!
Who said I worshipped Nazis? See that is the problem with you liberals. You think life is a series of Nazis lol!
Anytime a person calls out an anti-white racist they are labeled a Nazi. Nice little scheme you have going on huh??! Only problem is your little game is almost over. Most people are not dumb enough to fall for it anymore.