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Naturally that is. I can't go lower nor would I. If this is not 6% then fuck 6% ;D
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What are your best lifts in this condition sev?
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id say your around 7 %, bad lighting
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Throw a tan on, shave down, and your results will look more impressive to you.
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What are your best lifts in this condition sev?
I would never "test my strength" like this on no carbs with a herniated disc and fragile shoulders. I am way past ego lifting. I use mostly very light weights.
I do bench 165 lbs for sets of 15 ;D
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I would never "test my strength" like this on no carbs with a herniated disc and fragile shoulders. I am way past ego lifting. I use mostly very light weights.
I do bench 165 lbs for sets of 15 ;D
sensible..
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How you even have the balls to post here again after being super nova owned is baffling to me ::)
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How you even have the balls to post here again after being super nova owned is baffling to me ::)
To inspire chubsters like you to get in shape
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bodymass and and bodyfat of a regular highschool kid.
good on you staying healthy though.
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No need to go any lower look great as it is.
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bodymass and and bodyfat of a regular highschool kid.
good on you staying healthy though.
This is what it looks like without drugs my friend. At 37 not 17
PS: you met a lot of regular highschoolers who look like this front and back?
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Good shit man. Looking lean as fuck. The romanian beaches better watch out this summer
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great
maybe you should start working on your personality now
just saying :)
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Good shit man. Looking lean as fuck. The romanian beaches better watch out this summer
Yes. There are a lot of nice beaches in Romania
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great
maybe you should start working on your personality now
just saying :)
there are people who dislike me and there are people who like me .. can't be everything to everyone ;)
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To inspire chubsters like you to get in shape
liar you do it to feed your ego
you NEED the minions to say "good job" "looking good" "nice work"
you can't live without the positive feedback FROM STRANGERS or else you wouldn't be here doing the things you do
look at how many threads you've started in the past few days , you are starved for attention
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I knew you couldn't do it !!!
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Healthy look if you would thicken up your neck a bit.
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Good time to start juicing again ...nice sustanon+deca cylce and you'll be just fine.
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there are people who dislike me and there are people who like me .. can't be everything to everyone ;)
you can be an attention whore to everyone
just sayin :-*
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Good time to start juicing again ...nice sustanon+deca cylce and you'll be just fine.
No roids .. too tired for this
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you can be an attention whore to everyone
just sayin :-*
;D
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Eh.....this one won't reach 20 pages.
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No roids .. too tired for this
Try to stay at that weight and just get a little denser w heavier weights.
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Try to stay at that weight and just get a little denser w heavier weights.
I will disregard what you just wrote and pretend you do not have a double digit bodybuilding IQ
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:D
you melted and posted a pic to "prove yourself"
let me analyze it
you are fat .. 90 lbs of extra lard fat
your chest is flat as a pancake, you raise your arms and it vanishes
you are a chubster with shitty tats
skinny fat arms
nonexistant shoulders
no legs
I actually look more muscular than you at 160 lbs .. think about it Genious ;)
please never compare yourself to me again, it is actually insulting
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You are right Sev - I'm clean as bell at 199lbs 5 '8 and dont know shit about lifting.
Taken yesterday.
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:D
you melted and posted a pic to "prove yourself"
let me analyze it
you are fat .. 90 lbs of extra lard fat
your chest is flat as a pancake, you raise your arms and it vanishes
you are a chubster with shitty tats
skinny fat arms
nonexistant shoulders
no legs ;D
ok bro :)
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ok bro :)
read again .. I added a couple of important things
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read again .. I added a couple of important things
nah
knock yourself out :-*
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How you even have the balls to post here again after being super nova owned is baffling to me ::)
It's impossible to "own! Sev, Stark.
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i outweigh you by 90 pounds this pic is better
though you are more ripped than me so props for that
Damn, I always thought you were a bit more on the permabulker side. Abs visible, You look pretty lean here mate
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Damn, I always thought you were a bit more on the permabulker side. Abs visible, You look pretty lean here mate
thanks
i maintain at that year round
i used to bulk and cut but got fucked off dieting
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I would never "test my strength" like this on no carbs with a herniated disc and fragile shoulders. I am way past ego lifting. I use mostly very light weights.
I do bench 165 lbs for sets of 15 ;D
Smarter than me. I still try to hit my 1RM once a week.
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Smarter than me. I still try to hit my 1RM once a week.
I learned my lessons. I feel lucky to be able to lift at all
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Here is a pic of me ::)
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:D
you melted and posted a pic to "prove yourself"
let me analyze it-easy there, stallion
you are fat .. 90 lbs of extra lard fat- Actually, he doesn't look to be above 15% in that pic
your chest is flat as a pancake, you raise your arms and it vanishes- he has fuckin' long pecs which doesn't help, I'd rather have a long torso with long abs and shorter pecs event though it's not ideal also
you are a chubster with shitty tats-those tats are questionable
skinny fat arms-you have to be a mind reader and beyond to see how his arms really look like from this pic
nonexistant shoulders-same as above
no legs-you see through clothes; good for you
I actually look more muscular than you at 160 lbs .. think about it Genious ;)- ;D
please never compare yourself to me again, it is actually insulting- you're easily insulted
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Good shit man. Looking lean as fuck. The romanian beaches better watch out this summer
They have beaches in that shithole?
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bodymass and and bodyfat of a regular highschool kid.
good on you staying healthy though.
No highschool kid I ever saw....
NN
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You are right Sev - I'm clean as bell at 199lbs 5 '8 and dont know shit about lifting.
Taken yesterday.
Lol. I knew you were itching to posts pics. You look good.
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i outweigh you by 90 pounds this pic is better
though you are more ripped than me so props for that
Looking large and in charge bro.
Epic toilet roll levels
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Lol. I knew you were itching to posts pics. You look good.
According to Sev - I dont know shit about lifting. ::)
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Looking large and in charge bro.
Epic toilet roll levels
high protein diet brother
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Lol. I knew you were itching to posts pics. You look good.
HOW CAN U TELL THERE POSTAGE STAMPED SIZE,,,,,
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Looking great - pretty much a natural physique.
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HOW CAN U TELL THERE POSTAGE STAMPED SIZE,,,,,
They are from my iphone - dont know why they showed up like that.
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They are from my iphone - dont know why they showed up like that.
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OK,,,
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Looking real lean Sev...Now that you're that lean, you could stay no higher than 8% by eating clean 4 days a week, eating shitty 2 days a week and 1 day of water fast. Something like this.
Mon-clean
Tues-clean
Wed-clean
Thurs-clean
Fri-shitty/booze it up if you want
Sat-Water fast
Sun-Shitty but stop early evening
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Naturally that is. I can't go lower nor would I. If this is not 6% then fuck 6% ;D
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Look very good Sev.
I got down to a low fat level last year, natural, also.. I was able, once I peeled off all the fat to slowly up my carbs and calories to a point where I filled out a bit, put on almost 7 pounds slowly without losing any definition.
You might be able to make slight adjustments and gain some mass slowly as well without putting on fat. It takes a little fine tuning, though
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Look very good Sev.
I got down to a low fat level last year, natural, also.. I was able, once I peeled off all the fat to slowly up my carbs and calories to a point where I filled out a bit, put on almost 7 pounds slowly without losing any definition.
You might be able to make slight adjustments and gain some mass slowly as well without putting on fat. It takes a little fine tuning, though
That is what I was trying to tell him and he got his panties in a wad.
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What's your diet, Sev?
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Just to be clear....
This is the best YOU can do!
Doesn't mean its the best for what other naturals can do! ;)
Either way, I gotta give props where props are deserved. You look good Sev. Keep up the good work!
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Just to be clear....
This is the best YOU can do!
Doesn't mean its the best for what other naturals can do! ;)
Either way, I gotta give props where props are deserved. You look good Sev. Keep up the good work!
ACH ,,YA KNOW A JAB IS COMING,,,
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Good job getting that low, isnt easy natty
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Good job. Nice to see that it's never too late to lean down naturally.
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I would never "test my strength" like this on no carbs with a herniated disc and fragile shoulders. I am way past ego lifting. I use mostly very light weights.
I do bench 165 lbs for sets of 15 ;D
Smart.
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Looking really shredded dude. 8)
Good size and conditioning. What was your diet like to get this shredded? Any cardio?
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very good job dude
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very good job dude
Ohh boy... here comes the resident vulture trying to swoop up another client. How are you Noel? Banged any fitnezz hoez lately? Have you and George fist fought yet?
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I dont get whats special about this at all. You look like some dude whos been lifting for a few years natural.
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It was apersonal experiment. Today I ventured outside haha
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It was apersonal experiment. Today I ventured outside haha
awesome future mr o
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Yeah pretty shredded man. Good job. It's really mentally tough getting this lean naturally late 30's.
Lets see a relaxed front shot (no flexing). No homo.
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Yeah pretty shredded man. Good job. It's really mentally tough getting this lean naturally late 30's.
Lets see a relaxed front shot (no flexing). No homo.
I agree. Late thirties is a diff ballgame to get lean
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I agree. Late thirties is a diff ballgame to get lean
Absolutely, I remember early-mid 20's I was shredded within months of lifting with ZERO diet & almost ZERO lifting knowledge. Late 30's is whole different game. You have to have the whole lot dialed in diet, cardio, rest ect.
So, anyone who thinks this is a piece of cake wait till you hit late 30's & say that. Especially naturally. Definitely good work here to get this lean naturally. You've got my respect.
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A good friend is one who keeps taking all these muscly shots.
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Brutal 13 inch arms...good condition bu nothing more sorry
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A good friend is one who keeps taking all these muscly shots.
;D for free or trade
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Brutal 13 inch arms...good condition bu nothing more sorry
the whole point was to show how muscular one can be at 6-7% without drugs ... so there you have it
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I agree. Late thirties is a diff ballgame to get lean
It should be easier. Have a look at all the Lifetime Natural Competitors in their late 30s and early 40s, have a look at people in their mid 40s like Kane Sumabat aka Timbahwolf, have a look at heyzeus909 aka Mountain Man and on and on. If its not easier, you are doing something wrong. Methinks you never properly trained in the first place and just relied on steroids your whole life.
You look like you don`t know what you are doing in the gym Sevatese.
This is Lifetime Natural Kane Sumabat in his mid 40s.
(https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2026031292/image.jpg)
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Nothing natural there Adonis ;)
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It should be easier. Have a look at all the Lifetime Natural Competitors in their late 30s and early 40s, have a look at people in their mid 40s like Kane Sumabat aka Timbahwolf, have a look at heyzeus909 aka Mountain Man and on and on. If its not easier, you are doing something wrong. Methinks you never properly trained in the first place and just relied on steroids your whole life.
You look like you don`t know what you are doing in the gym Sevatese.
This is Lifetime Natural Kane Sumabat in his mid 40s.
(https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2026031292/image.jpg)
:D nice
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Nothing natural there Adonis ;)
Try again.
Here is his Youtube channel, maybe you can learn something from him
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It should be easier. Have a look at all the Lifetime Natural Competitors in their late 30s and early 40s, have a look at people in their mid 40s like Kane Sumabat aka Timbahwolf, have a look at heyzeus909 aka Mountain Man and on and on. If its not easier, you are doing something wrong. Methinks you never properly trained in the first place and just relied on steroids your whole life.
You look like you don`t know what you are doing in the gym Sevatese.
This is Lifetime Natural Kane Sumabat in his mid 40s.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2j0fhae.jpg)
Nice.
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Maybe u could learn something from me Apenis
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Absolutely, I remember early-mid 20's I was shredded within months of lifting with ZERO diet & almost ZERO lifting knowledge. Late 30's is whole different game. You have to have the whole lot dialed in diet, cardio, rest ect.
So, anyone who thinks this is a piece of cake wait till you hit late 30's & say that. Especially naturally. Definitely good work here to get this lean naturally. You've got my respect.
AMEN!! X2!!
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AMEN!! X2!!
so correct... ;)
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He looks like an assisted athlete to me TA.
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He looks like an assisted athlete to me TA.
Lol 'assisted athlete'
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He looks like an assisted athlete to me TA.
He isn`t.
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He isn`t.
how do you know
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my metabolism stayed high til i was about 45. seems just the last few years have caused a drastic slowdown.
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liar you do it to feed your ego
you NEED the minions to say "good job" "looking good" "nice work"
you can't live without the positive feedback FROM STRANGERS or else you wouldn't be here doing the things you do
look at how many threads you've started in the past few days , you are starved for attention
As human beings we all strive for this? If you don't you are probably a failure.
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good job by the way!
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how do you know
Because its pretty obvious if you ever followed his blog/training etc...
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Because its pretty obvious if you ever followed his blog/training etc...
are you serious
unless you watch him 24/7 you cant tell
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You're close enuff to 6% to call it 6. You look very good. How do you feel health wise?
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You're close enuff to 6% to call it 6. You look very good. How do you feel health wise?
my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
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my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
ME THINKS U COULD HANDLE IT...MIND OVER....U HAVE THAT COVERED,,,
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my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
your 37 ??? you dont look a day over 53
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ME THINKS U COULD HANDLE IT...MIND OVER....U HAVE THAT COVERED,,,
no
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your 37 ??? you dont look a day over 53
weak joke...try again
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my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
Ya I just fell off the diet wagon last week. I started losing my mind. Sure is nice to enjoy a pizza and a beer.
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my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
Your "conclusion" is stupid as fuck and borne out of pure ignorance. You STILL don`t realize you can eat whatever you want and remain in single digits. Keep on Keeping, moron.
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Ya I just fell off the diet wagon last week. I started losing my mind. Sure is nice to enjoy a pizza and a beer.
And guess what, you didn`t magically become fat after the pizza and beer. You looked the same. You see, you can incorporate that year round. Seriously, go have a talk with No One. You don`t need to engage in sadomasochistic practices at all. Eat what you want, keep the same calories. Try it and see.
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And guess what, you didn`t magically become fat after the pizza and beer. You looked the same. You see, you can incorporate that year round. Seriously, go have a talk with No One. You don`t need to engage in sadomasochistic practices at all. Eat what you want, keep the same calories. Try it and see.
As we speak. I'll keep eating healthy but if I want pizza or burgers and fries I'm eating it, also none of the eating every two-three hours shit, two/three times a day. Wine and beer intake will also be increased.
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As we speak. I'll keep eating healthy but if I want pizza or burgers and fries I'm eating it, also none of the eating every two-three hours shit, two/three times a day. Wine and beer intake will also be increased.
Good Man! You will be much more sane as a result and it will become much, much easier.
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my conclusion is, that at 37 you cannot.maintain this for too long as the strict dieting will take it's toll on you mentally and subsequently physically due to lack of sugars
I know what you are eating. Just add in some calories in the form of carbs and go from there. You should be able to maintain close to where you are right now.
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Dsigusted.... (sorry to hijack your post Sev)......
I find the hardest part of dieting is actually figuring out what your maintenance caloric intake should be. What have you found to be the best way to determine this, basically find out a starting point for your diet?
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Who is this lady hulkotron?
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Dsigusted.... (sorry to hijack your post Sev)......
I find the hardest part of dieting is actually figuring out what your maintenance caloric intake is. What have you found to be the best way to determine this, basically find out a starting point for your diet?
It's very simple, once you get to where you want to be just add in a couple hundred calories every week or so and keep track of your weight.
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Your "conclusion" is stupid as fuck and borne out of pure ignorance. You STILL don`t realize you can eat whatever you want and remain in single digits. Keep on Keeping, moron.
Still peddling your ice cream pizza candy diet. ::)
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It's very simple, once you get to where you want to be just add in a couple hundred calories every week or so and keep track of your weight.
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And guess what, you didn`t magically become fat after the pizza and beer. You looked the same. You see, you can incorporate that year round. Seriously, go have a talk with No One. You don`t need to engage in sadomasochistic practices at all. Eat what you want, keep the same calories. Try it and see.
no one was on tren and gh which makes a huge dif
its harder for natural guys like you to stay lean
although you have proved it can be done
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- I meant it in terms of cutting. How do you figure out how much to start cutting out.... or is there really no general guideline for this.... just trial and error.....
Oh sorry, well I usually start everyone off with around the same amounts of food give or take. I've been doing so long I don't really count calories when I start someone off initially. Also as you may or may not know I am a fan of low to no carb dieting when it comes to getting one ripped. I basically stick to meat chicken turkey fish and eggs with some green veggies. Maybe start with 4 to 6 meals and keep track of your weight. Initially you will lose a lot of water the first couple weeks then your goal would be to lost about 2 pounds of fat per week. You would adjust your food intake accordingly to keep 2 or so pounds a week going.
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Oh sorry, well I usually start everyone off with around the same amounts of food give or take. I've been doing so long I don't really count calories when I start someone off initially. Also as you may or may not know I am a fan of low to no carb dieting when it comes to getting one ripped. I basically stick to meat chicken turkey fish and eggs with some green veggies. Maybe start with 4 to 6 meals and keep track of your weight. Initially you will lose a lot of water the first couple weeks then your goal would be to lost about 2 pounds of fat per week.
Thanks Disgusted. From everything I've read about you.... your diets sound similar to what I've almost always done when dieting down for contests. Low to, eventually, no carbs....
Guess I'm trying new things now.... and seeing how my body reacts to higher carbs! I actually didn't count calories my first show, still ended up looking fucking ripped (as seen below), but now I think I'm too OCD not to count...... Anyways Thanks Disgusted! Apologies Sev for hijacking your thread!
(http://ahmedelattar.com/images/mostmuscrab.jpg)
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Thanks Disgusted. From everything I've read about you.... your diets sound similar to what I've almost always done when dieting down for contests. Low to, eventually, no carbs....
Guess I'm trying new things now.... and seeing how my body reacts to higher carbs! I actually didn't count calories my first show, still ended up looking fucking ripped (as seen below), but now I think I'm too OCD not to count...... Anyways Thanks Disgusted! Apologies Sev for hijacking your thread!
No prob. When you do the no carb diet you really don't have to be strict with counting calories.
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Who is this lady hulkotron?
She is a fine little vixen that's for sure.
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Thanks Disgusted. From everything I've read about you.... your diets sound similar to what I've almost always done when dieting down for contests. Low to, eventually, no carbs....
Guess I'm trying new things now.... and seeing how my body reacts to higher carbs! I actually didn't count calories my first show, still ended up looking fucking ripped (as seen below), but now I think I'm too OCD not to count...... Anyways Thanks Disgusted! Apologies Sev for hijacking your thread!
(http://ahmedelattar.com/images/mostmuscrab.jpg)
Ifyou were OCD you wouldn't have allowed yourself to look like now
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Ifyou were OCD you wouldn't have allowed yourself to look like now
I meant when I diet I tend to be pretty OCD. If I don't have a show I'm a little too lax!
Hope that helps!
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I meant when I diet I tend to be pretty OCD. If I don't have a show I'm a little too lax!
Hope that helps!
Ya i've known many guys who have that all or nothing attitude when it comes to dieting. Once you get super lean again, give the 4 days super strict, 2 days anything you want and 1 day water fast a try. It's actually very easy to follow and you'll never go over 10% again.
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I meant when I diet I tend to be pretty OCD. If I don't have a show I'm a little too lax!
Hope that helps!
LAX!!!CMON ACH NEW YRS GET BIG PROMISE U MADE...
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Ya i've known many guys who have that all or nothing attitude when it comes to dieting. Once you get super lean again, give the 4 days super strict, 2 days anything you want and 1 day water fast a try. It's actually very easy to follow and you'll never go over 10% again.
More details please - sound interesting. I'm dieting down abd lean - but this is not sustainable over the long run
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Good job!
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More details please - sound interesting. I'm dieting down abd lean - but this is not sustainable over the long run
Diet down as low as you can go...Then follow this
Day 1- super strict(low to no carb for days 1-4)
Day 2- super strict
Day 3- super strict
Day 4- super strict
Day 5- Eat anything you want. Booze it up if you want. Anything goes
Day 6- Water fast- Aim for 2 gallons of water nothing else
Day 7- Eat anything you want up until 6-7pm. Then no more food until you wake up for day 1
Repeat
The hardest days are day 3 and 4 which really are nothing because on day 5, you can eat whatever you want. If you overload and stuff yourself on day 5, day 6- the water fast day- is a breeze. By night time on day 6 you will be hungry but you get to wake up and eat anything you want. Go ahead and stuff yourself again on this day(7)but by 6pm, you get into strict mode for the next 4 days. Easiest type of diet i've ever done to maintain leanness.
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Diet down as low as you can go...Then follow this
Day 1- super strict(low to no carb for days 1-4)
Day 2- super strict
Day 3- super strict
Day 4- super strict
Day 5- Eat anything you want. Booze it up if you want. Anything goes
Day 6- Water fast- Aim for 2 gallons of water nothing else
Day 7- Eat anything you want up until 6-7pm. Then no more food until you wake up for day 1
Repeat
The hardest days are day 3 and 4 which really are nothing because on day 5, you can eat whatever you want. If you overload and stuff yourself on day 5, day 6- the water fast day- is a breeze. By night time on day 6 you will be hungry but you get to wake up and eat anything you want. Go ahead and stuff yourself again on this day(7)but by 6pm, you get into strict mode for the next 4 days. Easiest type of diet i've ever done to maintain leanness.
Will try after my Spartan Race in april 13. I am lean now, but i am feeling the need to gorge on pizza beer etc lately
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Will try after my Spartan Race in april 13. I am lean now, but i am feeling the need to gorge on pizza beer etc lately
Ya I set up my day 5 to be on a friday. On this day I eat whatever I want and a lot of times gorge. By the end of the night I hate food and day 6 water fast day is pretty easy most of the day because of the gorging the night before. The hunger kicks in again by night time but I just tell myself, I can eat anything I want again tomorrow(day 7 sunday)...However on day 7 I make a point not to gorge. I do eat anything but in moderation.
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More details please - sound interesting. I'm dieting down abd lean - but this is not sustainable over the long run
Just eat whatever the fuck you want for 2000 calories. THAT is Sustainable and will give you well beyond the result you are after if you stick with it long enough.
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Will try after my Spartan Race in april 13. I am lean now, but i am feeling the need to gorge on pizza beer etc lately
Waste of time and not necessary really.
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LAX!!!CMON ACH NEW YRS GET BIG PROMISE U MADE...
And I'm still doing it. I've admitted straight up that I've fallen off the wagon a few times, but I'm back on again. Not gonna lie... I'm being an undisciplined pussy its hard.. but I'm still trucking!
Just eat whatever the fuck you want for 2000 calories. THAT is Sustainable and will give you well beyond the result you are after if you stick with it long enough.
How are you not hungry with 2000 calories... I'm eating 2500 calories and everyday I'm dreaming of just going and binging and stuffing my fat face at Dennys! I don't do it - but its hard lol
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Ya I set up my day 5 to be on a friday. On this day I eat whatever I want and a lot of times gorge. By the end of the night I hate food and day 6 water fast day is pretty easy most of the day because of the gorging the night before. The hunger kicks in again by night time but I just tell myself, I can eat anything I want again tomorrow(day 7 sunday)...However on day 7 I make a point not to gorge. I do eat anything but in moderation.
You don't eat for an entire day?
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And I'm still doing it. I've admitted straight up that I've fallen off the wagon a few times, but I'm back on again. Not gonna lie... I'm being an undisciplined pussy its hard.. but I'm still trucking!
How are you not hungry with 2000 calories... I'm eating 2500 calories and everyday I'm dreaming of just going and binging and stuffing my fat face at Dennys! I don't do it - but its hard lol
try eating 700 cals like me, u get used to it, but you ll have to drink lots of coffee and smoke a lot of organic tobacco.
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try eating 700 cals like me, u get used to it, but you ll have to drink lots of coffee and smoke a lot of organic tobacco.
I did that once during pre-contest.... was brutal
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Try again.
Here is his Youtube channel, maybe you can learn something from him
If you honestly think this guy is natural or any of those guy's you mention are natural then your a delusional idiot. Seriously...
Why don't you or I look like this liar Timbahwolf? Don't tell me I don't train as hard or even harder than this clown. Or that I'm a fat newbie lifter with no knowledge. Been doing this for a lot longer than you champ & I know exactly what it takes. This guy is a liar, plain & simple.
Lots of >40yr old's look like this ::)
(http://s15.postimg.org/97nytyre3/wolf.jpg)
He looks like an assisted athlete to me TA.
That ain't no athlete. He's a drug user.
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And I'm still doing it. I've admitted straight up that I've fallen off the wagon a few times, but I'm back on again. Not gonna lie... I'm being an undisciplined pussy its hard.. but I'm still trucking!
How are you not hungry with 2000 calories... I'm eating 2500 calories and everyday I'm dreaming of just going and binging and stuffing my fat face at Dennys! I don't do it - but its hard lol
I diet on 2600 calories and I have no need to binge because I eat whatever I want in those 2600 calories. That is key. If you want to binge those 2600 you can do that too. If you want to break it up, you can do that too. Just fill it however you want, with whatever you want, whenever you want. Thats it.
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wow that longhaired homo is striated all over.brutal natty.
if you look at his arms, they havent got much size, if you look how lean he is, he has very few veins popping out.
he is on something natural like test propionate with some winstrol.
or maybe just winstrol.
hes natural, maybe he didnt have an injection on that particular day, and therefore, natural
He is Lifetime Natural.
In a shirt, you wouldn`t even think anything of his physique really.
(http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/af75c87e81f611e292a722000a1f97f4_7.jpg)
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He is Lifetime Natural.
In a shirt, you wouldn`t even think anything of his physique really.
(http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/af75c87e81f611e292a722000a1f97f4_7.jpg)
Fuckin LOL!! You mean, he's lowered the dose or gone off for a while here. Seriously man, stop trolling. Anyone with half a pea brain will know he's not natty.
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Fuckin LOL!! You mean, he's lowered the dose or gone off for a while here. Seriously man, stop trolling. Anyone with half a pea brain will know he's not natty.
Nope, thats the way he always looks.
Has for years.
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he does always look like that... very deceiving fellow. his arms and chest are freaky... i highly doubt natural, but it's true he isn't very big.
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wow that longhaired homo is striated all over.brutal natty.
if you look at his arms, they havent got much size, if you look how lean he is, he has very few veins popping out.
he is on something natural like test propionate with some winstrol.
or maybe just winstrol.
hes natural, maybe he didnt have an injection on that particular day, and therefore, natural
Not vascular? I beg to differ.
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adam,i think this is possible natural.
whether its worth the effort is another question.
wonder what he looks year round.this is more importnant to me than peak condition once eevry other year :D
He looks like that year round.
Here is his youtube channel. Vids are consistent from 2007 with no change at all in physique.
www.youtube.com/timbahwolf
Here are some of his pics- All Consistent.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/progress-photos/timberwolf
Originally Posted by jaguarr
Lookin' good, timber. Would love to hear more about your dieting/nutrition practices, as you've obviously gotten that part figured out for yourself.
jag
My diet is pretty simple.
I count my calories and fill them... almost any way I can. Calorie wise I aim for 2400 or 2500 and try to get approx.
When I said 'almost any way I can' this means I'll eat almost anything.... whoppers, kfc, pork rinds etc.
Main staples in my diet are musclemilk mixed with egg whites and water, BK junior double whopper, broccoli and cheese, breaded chicken breast, almonds...
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Half the pros in t-shirts in contest shape look small and I've seen almost all in person. Has nothing to do with being natural.
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he does always look like that... very deceiving fellow. his arms and chest are freaky... i highly doubt natural, but it's true he isn't very big.
You can doubt all you want, but you are dead wrong.
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Half the pros in t-shirts in contest shape look small and I've seen almost all in person. Has nothing to do with being natural.
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I said half as in half wit which is what you definitely are. Now go eat some donuts and chocolate milk. Oh and don't forget to post one of those current 6 year old pics of you showing us how ripped you are. ::)
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I said half as in half wit which is what you definitely are. Now go eat some donuts and chocolate milk. Oh and don't forget to post one of those current 6 year old pics of you showing us how ripped you are. ::)
+1
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I said half as in half wit which is what you definitely are. Now go eat some donuts and chocolate milk. Oh and don't forget to post one of those current 6 year old pics of you showing us how ripped you are. ::)
Will DEFINITELY do.
Works for Timbahwolf and for me as well:
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Will DEFINITELY do.
Works for Timbahwolf and for me as well:
Word is you are nowhere near as lean as you were in 2006.
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Boom!
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Boom!
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/10/08/40598/gallerypic/enUHppdEXGbVamBEaRFuUGWaNvwiwwRsJhNX-610xh.jpg)
So watching another man eating pizza excites you? ;D
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Word is you are nowhere near as lean as you were in 2006.
Here I was in 2008/2009. :-\ There goes your theory with an old picture. :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
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Here I was in 2008/2009. :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
Lol was. You can't even remember what year.
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So watching another man eating pizza excites you? ;D
It does. Because it PWNS your little mind to no end. A Lifetime Natural living like a king, eating whatever he wants, remaining ripped, leaving people like you struggling for answers and grasping for shitty diets to punish themselves and others with. :D
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Here I was in 2008/2009. :-\ There goes your theory with an old picture. :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
BOOM! Librarian forearms.
(http://s14.postimg.org/onl4vfr8h/Trueadonisnoahsteere.jpg)
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Lol was. You can't even remember what year.
I know full well what year it was. I know the exact date even. ;) You can easily pull the exif data off of it.
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I know full well what year it was. I know the exact date even. ;) You can easily pull the exif data off of it.
Sounds like someone needs a hug. ;D
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That pic with Noah was in 2005 in November 6th and I was on a quest once again foolishly to Deadlift 600 or more, matching or exceeding my previous best- Bulking Big Ach Style. ( I don`t do that bullshit anymore, my lifting ego has vanished) Noah is 6 ft 7 and 350-400 lbs. In that Pic I was an OBESE 210 at 5`11/6 ft or so. Fat as shit. Strong, but Fat.
A Few months before that-I looked like this in June 21st 2005 and ended up getting much, leaner than that even:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;attach=31228;image)
(http://s14.postimg.org/onl4vfr8h/Trueadonisnoahsteere.jpg)
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Here I was in 2008/2009. :-\ There goes your theory with an old picture. :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
What does "grandpa" think of your abs?
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Lol was. You can't even remember what year.
U Mad Bro? I`m not.
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That pic with Noah was in 2005 in November 6th and I was on a quest once again foolishly to Deadlift 600 or more, matching or exceeding my previous best- Bulking Big Ach Style. ( I don`t do that bullshit anymore, my lifting ego has vanished) Noah is 6 ft 7 and 350-400 lbs. In that Pic I was an OBESE 210 at 5`11/6 ft or so. Fat as shit. Strong, but Fat.
A Few months before that-I looked like this in June 21st 2005 and ended up getting much, leaner than that even:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;attach=31228;image)
By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and you are good for a few laughs that's about it.
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http://provenmusclebuildingsupplements.com/how_to_build_muscle_fast_proven_muscle_building_supplements_go_health_foods.html
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By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and are you are good for a few laughs that's about it.
Oh I know I was fat in the MR. Getbig pics moron. I went from 237 lbs to 178 starting in Mid April and ending in September 21st being the contest date, Over 60 lbs in a VERY short time will do nobody any good. (the pic with Noah was 210lbs in 2005 on my journey to the big 237) Ask Big Ach- Its what he used to do to. Its doable, but you never look as good as you could have. I don`t do that anymore. I don`t care about deadlifting 600 plus lbs. I used to overeat on purpose to do it.
These days, I fine tune and stay around 170-180 and am much leaner than the Mr. Getbig debacle pics.
I will kick your ass Naturally any day of the week in terms of physique. How about you pick a date, clean your drugged up ass out, and we will post pics of ourselves, caveat you being Drug Free for long enough to wash your system out of any unfair advantage. Are you willing to do that?
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Oh I know I was fat in the MR. Getbig pics moron. I went from 237 lbs to 178 starting in Mid April and ending in September 21st being the contest date, Over 60 lbs in a VERY short time will do nobody any good. Ask Big Ach- Its what he used to do to. Its doable, but you never look as good as you could have. I don`t do that anymore. I don`t care about deadlifting 600 plus lbs. I used to overeat on purpose to do it.
These days, I fine tune and stay around 170-180 and am much leaner than the Mr. Getbig debacle pics.
I will kick your ass Naturally any day of the week in terms of physique. How about you pick a date, clean your drugged up ass out, and we will post pics of ourselves, caveat you being Drug Free for long enough to wash your system out of any unfair advantage. Are you willing to do that?
I'm down for that. Show you what a real lifetime natural with some muscle looks like.
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I'm down for that.
Hey, we may be able to get others involved. Another Mr. Getbig. This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL
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Hey, we may be able to get others involved. Another Mr. Getbig. This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL
I'm down, name the deadline.
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I'm down for that. Show you what a real lifetime natural with some muscle looks like.
You look great already!
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I'm down, name the deadline.
Lets get some other involved. Disgusted? 33366 I think wanted in on it. Big Ach might be interested.
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By bodybuilding standards you are smooth in this pic and the only other pics that I have seen of you looking lean are taken under certain lighting conditions to make you look leaner than you really are which you would not need to do if you were as ripped as you claim. No one on here has ever gotten ripped using your bullshit diet including you. I remember when you entered the Mr Getbig contest, you were smooth then too. I gave you second which is what you deserved. If I remember correctly your back had a lot of fat on it. In fact your whole backside was very smooth. Someone should post those pics of you and they will see. You are a delusional clown and you are good for a few laughs that's about it.
Yah, I acutally did get much leaner than this blurry picture here to get that 4th ab going. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;attach=31226;image)
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Lets get some other involved. Disgusted? 33366 I think wanted in on it. Big Ach might be interested.
First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.
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Hey, we may be able to get others involved. Another Mr. Getbig. This how the original started. Out of argument. LOL
Fuck yes!!! That would be awesome!!
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240 or Bust get the fuck in here! 8)
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First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.
I don`t want anyone to get any wrong ideas. Lets be square on it. People think being lean has something to do with drugs, it doesn`t, but most never understand that. Its for their benefit.
I don`t need to take any pictures right now. Its almost bed time!
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First of all if you are much leaner now then post a picture it would take you to seconds to do then you can prove us all wrong. Secondly if I was up to it and I'm not what would drugs have to do with anything we both agree I'm sure that getting ripped has nothing to do with any kind of drug.
Futhermore, don`t you see a pattern here? I look the same year after year after year pretty much with the exception of the extremely minor improvements I am carrying right now. I am a bit leaner and heavier at the weight I am currently at versus any other time- Best shape so far-but I want to do more. I WILL IMPROVE. I am training using Layne Nortons PHAT system and will be transitioning over to MFT28 pretty soon. MFT28 looks to be no joke and I wonder if I can handle it. I know I can, but keeping up is going to be difficult.
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I don`t want anyone to get any wrong ideas. Lets be square on it. People think being lean has something to do with drugs, it doesn`t, but most never understand that. Its for their benefit.
I don`t need to take any pictures right now. Its almost bed time!
Here's a picture of a guy I helped diet. He lost 60 pounds in 20 weeks. He used Zero fat burners zero GH zero insulin & zero diuretics. So on average he lost 3 pounds of fat a week. Very similar situation to what you had for the Mr Getbig but he is leaner than you.
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Here's a picture of a guy I helped diet. He lost 60 pounds in 20 weeks. He used Zero fat burners zero GH zero insulin & zero diuretics. So on average he lost 3 pounds of fat a week. Very similar situation to what you had for the Mr Getbig but he is leaner than you.
I can beat that now I think. He looks very good in my opinion, but could be leaner. A lot leaner. You mentioned he never used any of the above. I haven`t either. You didn`t say if he used anything else (In my opinion he looks to be drug free, but its curious that you didn`t say he was a Lifetime Natural)
Look at Brian Whitacre for instance. Lifetime Natural, very lean.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/whit1317/RD1week.jpg)
I also think this kid has a good Lifetime Natural Physique
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I can beat that now I think. He looks very good in my opinion, but could be leaner. A lot leaner. You mentioned he never used any of the above. I haven`t either. You didn`t say if he used anything else (In my opinion he looks to be drug free, but its curious that you didn`t say he was a Lifetime Natural)
Look at Brian Whitacre for instance. Lifetime Natural, very lean.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/whit1317/RD1week.jpg)
I also think this kid has a good Lifetime Natural Physique
It was his first show and first time being lean so yes he can be leaner. I mention GH and fat burners cause most believe one needs special drugs to get lean. Oh and I do believe the kid above could be natural.
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It was his first show and first time being lean so yes he can be leaner. I mention GH and fat burners cause most believe one needs special drugs to get lean.
You did a great job with him in my opinion. I never said your methods don`t work. However I do take offense when you say that alternatives do not exist.
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You did a great job with him in my opinion. I never said your methods don`t work. However I do take offense when you say that alternatives do not exist.
Thanks. Oh alternatives do exist as far as getting lean I agree. There are however many factors involved when it comes to insulin production fat storage how your fat cells react to certain foods etc.
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Futhermore, don`t you see a pattern here? I look the same year after year after year pretty much with the exception of the extremely minor improvements I am carrying right now. I am a bit leaner and heavier at the weight I am currently at versus any other time- Best shape so far-but I want to do more. I WILL IMPROVE. I am training using Layne Nortons PHAT system and will be transitioning over to MFT28 pretty soon. MFT28 looks to be no joke and I wonder if I can handle it. I know I can, but keeping up is going to be difficult.
Is Layne Natural? ???
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Is Layne Natural? ???
Naturally douchey!
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Is Layne Natural? ???
I have no reason to suspect that he isn`t.
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I have no reason to suspect that he isn`t.
Just did a bunch of reading on PHAT, I think I'll give it a shot in coming weeks...
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Just did a bunch of reading on PHAT, I think I'll give it a shot in coming weeks...
I`ve been doing it for 2 months now. Its very good. I did Smolov training, never missing a single session last year for legs and was able to add about 60 lbs to my Olympic Squat. I wish I had done it with Low Bar Squats as I am loving them doing them for the first time and being able to do MUCH more than Olympic Style. (I always did Olympic style, Never Low bar.)
I am going to switch to Greg Plitt`s MFT28 in a month or two, to see how shredded I can really get with it. It looks brutal, but I am always up for a challenge. I have been doing my own programs for so long it feels like a breath of fresh air to try new things. Although I still will do the Adonis 100 again one of these days. (100 reps on each exercise starting with your heaviest weight and dropping weight off until you complete 100 reps-Brutal)
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I have no reason to suspect that he isn`t.
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I believe he's on at least 1gram of natural test per week. Therefore, natural. He's also got phd in nutrition which enables him to pack on muscle faster than normal people.
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the drug use at the top of the IFPA/WNBF is rampant. The Yorton Cup just let a guy who popped for deca in 2002 win his class and I've come across some NPC competitors that help natural pros out with their drug regime in the off season.
Layne is huge in contest shape btw...around 195-200 shredded at 5'10......2+2 here
Whitacre is probably the peak for top natural genes, but who knows he could be using too.
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Btw, this is the top natural female BB in the world (wins all the IFPA shows)...very strict drug testing in the top natural org
:D
layne's comment when someone called her out for being a drug user:
"Way to hate on someone just because they have achieved more than you. hope you grow out of that nonsense"
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Btw, this is the top natural female BB in the world (wins all the IFPA shows)...very strict drug testing in the top natural org
:D
layne's comment when someone called her out for being a drug user:
"Way to hate on someone just because they have achieved more than you. hope you grow out of that nonsense"
:-X
Patricia Beckman is what, 115 lbs at 5`6?
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the chick next to her is 5'7
shes very short in person
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I`ve been doing it for 2 months now. Its very good. I did Smolov training, never missing a single session last year for legs and was able to add about 60 lbs to my Olympic Squat. I wish I had done it with Low Bar Squats as I am loving them doing them for the first time and being able to do MUCH more than Olympic Style. (I always did Olympic style, Never Low bar.)
I am going to switch to Greg Plitt`s MFT28 in a month or two, to see how shredded I can really get with it. It looks brutal, but I am always up for a challenge. I have been doing my own programs for so long it feels like a breath of fresh air to try new things. Although I still will do the Adonis 100 again one of these days. (100 reps on each exercise starting with your heaviest weight and dropping weight off until you complete 100 reps-Brutal)
Excellent! Keep up the good work TA!
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I know what you are eating. Just add in some calories in the form of carbs and go from there. You should be able to maintain close to where you are right now.
I did just that in the past week or so .. so far so good.
BTW .. I would like for everyone to know that I consulted at the start and throughout with Disgusted, who's opinion I keep in the highest esteem. I think he is one of the best in the world at what he does. He also shares similar ideas with me about nutrition. Also Spike offered some thoughts. We keep in touch on facebook.
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I did just that in the past week or so .. so far so good.
BTW .. I would like for everyone to know that I consulted at the start and throughout with Disgusted, who's opinion I keep in the highest esteem. I think he is one of the best in the world at what he does. He also shares similar ideas with me about nutrition. Also Spike offered some thoughts. We keep in touch on facebook.
disgusted is a gent
but dont sell yourself short
at 37 natural you have done very well
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How much are you bench pressing for reps now?
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How much are you bench pressing for reps now?
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IRRELEVANT ,,,AT THIS POINT ,HE WENT FOR A SPECIFIC LOOK DOES NOT MATTER HOW HE GOT THERE.
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disgusted is a gent
but dont sell yourself short
at 37 natural you have done very well
I know
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"Water fasting once a week" oh brother.
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disgusted is a gent
but dont sell yourself short
at 37 natural you have done very well
Bigcyp glad to see 2 of his favourite posters alligning themselves slowly in this thread
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Bigcyp glad to see 2 of his favourite posters alligning themselves slowly in this thread
ive got no problems giving him props
he is the one with the issue
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Btw, this is the top natural female BB in the world (wins all the IFPA shows)...very strict drug testing in the top natural org
:D
layne's comment when someone called her out for being a drug user:
"Way to hate on someone just because they have achieved more than you. hope you grow out of that nonsense"
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Natural
I'll be a little be specific. The degree of muscle mass this girl has can definitely be achieved naturally. As far as her conditioning, that all has to do with diet.
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I'll be a little be specific. The degree of muscle mass this girl has can definitely be achieved naturally. As far as her conditioning, that all has to do with diet.
MAYBE SOME CLEN,,,,
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MAYBE SOME CLEN,,,,
If you are implying that one needs clen to get this level conditioning no you do not.
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If you are implying that one needs clen to get this level conditioning no you do not.
SO NO FATBURNERS AT ALL EVEN CONSIDERING ONE WAS IN LEAN CONDITION TO START LIKE HER FOR THE MOST PART.SHE PROBABLY STAYS CLOSE TO CONTEST FORM ALL YR NO.
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Sev, you're 37?????? Holy shit dude.... you look really good for 37! Hell you look really good for 27! Hats off bro!
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fuckme,this threqad has had a lift off ;D
thanks for the entertainment,ppl,great reading.
adonis, if you could do something about your triceps, youd look so much better.no homo
There is nothing wrong with my triceps. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247430.0;attach=286733;image)
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I'll be a little be specific. The degree of muscle mass this girl has can definitely be achieved naturally. As far as her conditioning, that all has to do with diet.
what are your diet recommendations for getting ripped?
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There is nothing wrong with my triceps. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247430.0;attach=286733;image)
I THINK HE MEANT IN THE OTHER POSE FEW PAGES BACK...THIS POSE THEY LOOK GOOD.U HAVE LONG ARMS ESP IN THAT OTHER PIC FROM FRONT..
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Who is disgusted in real life? He's a well known prep coach?
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you look awesome!!!!
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hes up there, no doubt.
What are your thoughts on big ass cheat meals once and awhile? Not talking like a slice of pizza - but a full bore pigout?
I have been dieting for awhile and am very happy so far w the progress - but im always mentally fucked over the idea that it will set me back and ill make a habit of it.
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SO NO FATBURNERS AT ALL EVEN CONSIDERING ONE WAS IN LEAN CONDITION TO START LIKE HER FOR THE MOST PART.SHE PROBABLY STAYS CLOSE TO CONTEST FORM ALL YR NO.
You can use them if you wish but her body fat levels can be achieved through diet alone.
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I realize that there may be quite a few people here that don't know who I am so just to name a few I have trained King Kamali, Betty Pariso, Gregory Atoyan, Stephanie Collins (pro figure) Tracey Greenword (pro Fitness). I'm sure that there are many I am forgetting, just FYI not bragging.
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i know disgusted allows his athletes a whole cheat day, but says not to binge.
i personaly do the exact thing youre asking about, go full out on one huge meal.it stops the fatburning, no doubt,lol, but as long as i wait long enough till hungry again(can take 12-24hrs),it doesnt make me fatter.
i see no problem with these meals,as long theyre not too frequent
Yep I tell my guys to cheat all day usually on Sat, but depending on the person and situation I may structure things differently. For example I may have one do an every other meal cheat, but usually it's every meal. I tell them that when they cheat to eat what ever you like just not so much that you are not able to eat when it comes time for your next meal. I do NOT like to see someone eat only carbs. I like to see mostly carbs and fat in about a 1:1 ratio with little protein.
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muhamad ali once said, if you can back it up,its not bragging :D
He was a smart man. ;D
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muhamad ali once said, if you can back it up,its not bragging
Great quote.
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I realize that there may be quite a few people here that don't know who I am so just to name a few I have trained King Kamali, Betty Pariso, Gregory Atoyan, Stephanie Collins (pro figure) Tracey Greenword (pro Fitness). I'm sure that there are many I am forgetting, just FYI not bragging.
I followed Kamali's prep when you were working with him.... he looked freaking awesome that year....
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this is interesting, bc, when i tried "cheat" meals or days on mostly carbs, id end up looking very flat.
but if fat and carbs ration is as you suggest, i end up very nicely full.
and yes, during those meals i keep protein at a minimum,for some reason, this leads to better results.
i have no idea on the mechanics behind this and why it works, but years of trials are good enough for me.
Very perceptive of you and yes it does seem that when someone just eats carbs (mainly simple) that is doesn't seem to fill them out as well, actually not even close.
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I followed Kamali's prep when you were working with him.... he looked freaking awesome that year....
Thanks Big Ach! :)
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This guy is a Lifetime Natural who fill his calories with whatever he likes- He likes Pop Tarts for some reason and usually has his carbs around 400-600 grams all the way to contest day.
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This guy is a Lifetime Natural who fill his calories with whatever he likes- He likes Pop Tarts for some reason and usually has his carbs around 400-600 grams all the way to contest day.
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OK BUT THERE IS NO WAY HE ACHIEVED THAT CONDITION ON EATING MEALS WITH WHOPPERS/PIZZA /ICECREAM...
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OK BUT THERE IS NO WAY HE ACHIEVED THAT CONDITION ON EATING MEALS WITH WHOPPERS/PIZZA /ICECREAM...
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
Trader Joe's - Hobo Bread, 4 oz 340 70 5 6 460 46
Met-Rx - Protein Plus - Vanilla, 4 scoops (57g) 400 6 1 92 280 4
Strawberries - Raw, 200 g 64 15 1 1 2 9
Rosarita - Non Fat Refried Beans, 1.25 cup 250 45 0 15 1,350 3
Naturally Yours - Fat Free Sour Cream, 8 Tbsp 80 12 0 4 140 8
Trader Joe's - Light Shredded 3 Cheese Blend, 1/2 cup 160 2 8 16 270 0
Tia Rosa - Flour Tortilla, Wrap Size, 2 Tortilla 600 100 16 14 1,520 0
Generic - Beef Top Sirloin Strip Steak 113 g, 4 ounces 228 0 14 24 60 0
Trader Joe's - Baked Blue Corn Tortilla Chips, 2.5 oz. about 18 chips 275 55 5 8 400 0
Trader Joe's - Reduced Guilt Chunky Guacamole With Greek Yogurt, 16 Tbsp 240 16 16 8 2,240 8
Edy's - Key Lime Pie Slow Churned Yogurt, 5 cup 1,200 190 45 20 500 140
Vitalicious - Vitatop Apple Crumb (Corrected), 110 g (2 oz) 200 52 2 6 210 16
Joy Waffle - Cone, 3 cone 270 57 2 3 105 15
Quick Tools
4,307 620 115 217 7,537 249
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OK BUT THERE IS NO WAY HE ACHIEVED THAT CONDITION ON EATING MEALS WITH WHOPPERS/PIZZA /ICECREAM...
He does. Timberwolf as well. Why is this so difficult to believe? ???
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youll find he likes the low carb approach.
disgusted is the most knowledgeable guy on dieting here and anywhere i met.
he doesnt practice it himself, but he gets ppl in brutal shape.
i practice it myself and am in shape at all times, but to me you kinda dont listen,youre looking for alternatives.
i hope disgustings reply to you wont be in vain, if ppl like you waste his time, he will eventualy stop giving out his extremly valueable advice
nah man, i'm finally starting to realize that "diet" does indeed play a much more important role that i thought it did
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adonis, you look over 12% there
WAY over. I was forcefeeding myself trying to get to 240 or so in order to try to Deadlift over 600 lbs in 2005. Did you not read that?
I was over 12 percent easily and by choice.
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This guy is a Lifetime Natural who fill his calories with whatever he likes- He likes Pop Tarts for some reason and usually has his carbs around 400-600 grams all the way to contest day.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT3pnOYnaKIRoW8LQxkWJ5GULF8dd9ZCr3ORNAZzCZsllXPgDzogg)
Tom Platz also ate pop tarts too during prep, but here's the thing. High fructose corn syrup for example among other things will raise up his insulin levels which in turn will tell his body to retain fat. Anyone can get shredded by starving themselves on a high sugar diet, but their results will be much better by eating quality food in a certain proportion. They will retain muscle mass easier and even build while dieting. Someone who is 100% natural doesn't not have much room for error like someone who may be using many different type of fat burners like thyroid dnp etc.
Do you have a copy of this kids diet? I would def believe that this kid can eat a pop tart or two daily during his contest prep, but I am curious what other type of high sugar foods he may be eating and if so would like to know what his rational is for doing so.
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Tom Platz also ate pop tarts too during prep, but here's the thing. High fructose corn syrup for example among other things will raise up his insulin levels which in turn will tell his body to retain fat. Anyone can get shredded by starving themselves on a high sugar diet, but their results will be much better by eating quality food in a certain proportion. They will retain muscle mass easier and even build while dieting. Someone who is 100% natural doesn't not has much room for error like someone who may be using many different type of fat burners like thyroid dnp etc.
Do you have a copy of this kids diet? I would def believe that this kid can eat a pop tart or two daily during his contest prep, but I am curious what other type of high sugar foods he may be eating and if so would like to know what his rational is for doing so. [ Invalid YouTube link ]
Google Alberto Nunez or 3d Muscle Journey or 3DMJ. Its all right there.
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Google Alberto Nunez or 3d Muscle Journey or 3DMJ. Its all right there.
I just saw your post of his diet. This kid is getting ripped thru calorie modification which is nothing new. I give him props for his level of conditioning.
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3DMJ: Describe your nutrition when training for a competition.
Alberto Nunez: Foods don’t ever change too much. Quesadillas, Pop-Tarts, and some of my favorite cereals are still staples. The total calories change, and protein is upped a bit. Training is very similar to the offseason protocol, as cliché as it sounds, whatever helps you gain, will help you retain.
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but can she hold on to the muscle while dieting without the gear?
Absolutely!! I have never had anyone natural or not lose any muscle while dieting. There is no need for that if things are done right. I keep having to remind myself that I am talking to BBers and not people who are interested in living a long healthy life. What I mean by that is I also believe that stimulating insulin thru sugar consumption will shorten a persons life span. Well it's a fact actually, but coincidently I first started using the low carb diet for contest training and then realized much later that it also will keep a person healthy as they get older. I'm out till later. :)
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Absolutely!! I have never had anyone natural or not lose any muscle while dieting. There is no need for that if things are done right. I keep having to remind myself that I am talking to BBers and not people who are interested in living a long healthy life. What I mean by that is I also believe that stimulating insulin thru sugar consumption will shorten a persons life span. Well it's a fact actually, but coincidently I first started using the low carb diet for contest training and then realized much later that it also will keep a person healthy as they get older. I'm out till later. :)
I do appreciate you dispelling some of the myths for sure, such as getting lean is not a result of drugs and that naturals can diet without losing muscle. Its good to see it coming from another source that others may feel comfortable to trust. Sevatese was convinced that it was impossible and used to rant about how anyone under 9 percent was taking drugs because its impossible. I am glad you showed him up.
With that said, when it comes to diet, there is more than one way to skin a cat for sure. What Disgusted does, works. Plain and simple. Whatever these other people do, work as well. I believe there is room for all approaches.
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The natural heroes here such as 3DMJ and Layne all say you will lose some muscle prepping.
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but can she hold on to the muscle while dieting without the gear?
Just wanted to add that my wife at 112 5'2 was leaner than that with no drugs of any kind not even protein powders just plan old food.
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I do appreciate you dispelling some of the myths for sure, such as getting lean is not a result of drugs and that naturals can diet without losing muscle. Its good to see it coming from another source that others may feel comfortable to trust. Sevatese was convinced that it was impossible and used to rant about how anyone under 9 percent was taking drugs because its impossible. I am glad you showed him up.
With that said, when it comes to diet, there is more than one way to skin a cat for sure. What Disgusted does, works. Plain and simple. Whatever these other people do, work as well. I believe there is room for all approaches.
Yeah I think we do agree on some things too. :)
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The natural heroes here such as 3DMJ and Layne all say you will lose some muscle prepping.
The question is how much? IMO not enuff to care about if you are dieting correctly. Remember, BBig is an illusion.
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Yeah I think we do agree on some things too. :)
Hey Disgusted, will you accept my apology for my behavior in that McDonalds thread. I feel I could have conducted it a bit better and given the same information in a less divisive way. I think our debates are good and everyone learns something from you or me or whatever. Its a welcome change from most of the threads here.
I will be more respectful to you in the future as I feel you are an asset to this site.
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The question is how much? IMO not enuff to care about if you are dieting correctly. Remember, BBig is an illusion.
I have no idea how to answer than in a measurable way. They usually just preach that you'll lose some muscle on the way down to 'legally shredded' levels but to do the best you can to retain it by continuing to try and gain strength in your training, refeed days once every 5-7 days depending on BF level, and keeping protein around 1.3-1.5g. 3DMJ and Layne have identical dieting methods, as the 3DMJ guys are former clients of Layne's. Main difference is Layne prescribes a lot more cardio (and usually HIIT) for his clients. On average I'd say the 3DMJ clients retain more mass dieting down and do so in a easier way.
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I have no idea how to answer than in a measurable way. They usually just preach that you'll lose some muscle on the way down to 'legally shredded' levels but to do the best you can to retain it by continuing to try and gain strength in your training, refeed days once every 5-7 days depending on BF level, and keeping protein around 1.3-1.5g.
is this 1.3-1.5g per pound of bodyweight or per kilo of bodyweight?
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per pound. On average they start around 1.25 and move closer to that 1.5g as the person gets leaner. Not unusual to see a 200lb 15% bf guy start at 250g and be around 300g @ <6-7% bf
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Hey Disgusted, will you accept my apology for my behavior in that McDonalds thread. I feel I could have conducted it a bit better and given the same information in a less divisive way. I think our debates are good and everyone learns something from you or me or whatever. Its a welcome change from most of the threads here.
I will be more respectful to you in the future as I feel you are an asset to this site.
Adam absolutely I will accept it and I'll extend my apologies back to you also. Things get heated on here and we argue but in the end we can all learn from each other. I take none of this personally thanks.
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Dont forget fellas Disgusted is a solid all around person here on Getbig. He knows his stuff, and is honest. Show him the ultimate respect!
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per pound. On average they start around 1.25 and move closer to that 1.5g as the person gets leaner. Not unusual to see a 200lb 15% bf guy start at 250g and be around 300g @ <6-7% bf
jesus! that's alot of protein
i'm dieting right now and i'm only getting 1.4 grams per kilo
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jesus! that's alot of protein
i'm dieting right now and i'm only getting 1.4 grams per kilo
Thats ok. Too much protein will burn up the kidneys over time. Protein = overated mostly just for merchants to make money
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Thats ok. Too much protein will burn up the kidneys over time. Protein = overated mostly just for merchants to make money
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Tom Platz also ate pop tarts too during prep, but here's the thing. High fructose corn syrup for example among other things will raise up his insulin levels which in turn will tell his body to retain fat. Anyone can get shredded by starving themselves on a high sugar diet, but their results will be much better by eating quality food in a certain proportion. They will retain muscle mass easier and even build while dieting. Someone who is 100% natural doesn't not have much room for error like someone who may be using many different type of fat burners like thyroid dnp etc.
Do you have a copy of this kids diet? I would def believe that this kid can eat a pop tart or two daily during his contest prep, but I am curious what other type of high sugar foods he may be eating and if so would like to know what his rational is for doing so.
The effects of insulin have no long-term effect on fat loss, if the caloric deficit is right then you will lose weight as the same rate no matter how sugary the food you are eating is. As long as you are getting the right macronutrients then insulin is irrelevant.
Mr.Nobody no natural bodybuilder is going to get kidney damage from eating too much protein you are talking shit.
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WAY over. I was forcefeeding myself trying to get to 240 or so in order to try to Deadlift over 600 lbs in 2005. Did you not read that?
I was over 12 percent easily and by choice.
TA, check this guy's training out. He just made it to 600 without being 240 lbs:
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TA, check this guy's training out. He just made it to 600 without being 240 lbs:
I know its possible but the quickest road for me was to gain fat. I am working my way to there now without any of the fat.