I'd be willing to bet a natural Skip could bury Shawn in the gym, no matter how many needles or angels that Shawn had.
This is because your'e doing work for Skip Lacour.
speak the truth you bastard
about his drug use
Skip lacour is also a drug user
you stupid clown
Shawn was a great pro, had a lot of good O finishes... but without gear, well, we see what he looks like now. Hell, they're about the same age, right? Who looks better now? Who will look better at 50?
"Lacour" a lifetime natural...............pf fft ::)Quote
Thank you for your support
Good. You got what you wanted. Now go back to living with your pathetic body. Feel better now?
"Lacour" a lifetime natural...............pf fft ::)
Thank you for your support
He says he doesn't take drugs. He's never failed a drug test. He has primarily competed in drug tested shows. In non drug tested shows he has placed but it was clear to everyone that his physique was drug free (there is a distinct look when you take drugs I think we will all agree), no one has ever claimed to have supplied him drugs.
Are you basing this solely on the fact that he makes you look like shit?
Well, I for one have always had a great deal for Skip as a person. As an Athlete I gained even more respect for him. Skip is one of themost intellegent Bodybuilders Pro or Amateur that I have had the pleasure of working with.don't forget posting on getbig 24 hours a day.
I believe he is Drug Free when he says it, there is nothing for him to gain by saying that but I have never asked him to prove it why?
That being said, visit Skips web site, he reveals everything for you guys to follow to help you Nutritionally and Training wise.
Sadly, there are knuckleheads on this board who wont read, try or practice some very laid out guidelines Skip shares to follow in order to look the way Skip does.
I personally, haven't trained since early in March of 2005 by choice.
After 21 years without a break, to be able to make the transition into Fatherhood, New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
It stands to reason I would not look as I did, heck I have been retired from competition for 5 years!
peace,
S. Ray
your'e a joke too.
Speak the truth.
John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.
New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
No response will be sufficient for the "Haters."
However, props to Skip!
They're still talking while your still training! ;D
Happy New Year brutha!
Peace,
S. Ray
I don't hate you. I HATE ALL THOSE LIES.
i admired you. one of the best physiques i've ever seen.
Training wise ;D
His Training and Nutrition programs are not based on science.
both are based on the so called Shawn ray gym crap talk
Skip Lacour
Skip Lacour
Well, I for one have always had a great deal for Skip as a person. As an Athlete I gained even more respect for him. Skip is one of themost intellegent Bodybuilders Pro or Amateur that I have had the pleasure of working with.
I believe he is Drug Free when he says it, there is nothing for him to gain by saying that but I have never asked him to prove it why?
That being said, visit Skips web site, he reveals everything for you guys to follow to help you Nutritionally and Training wise.
Sadly, there are knuckleheads on this board who wont read, try or practice some very laid out guidelines Skip shares to follow in order to look the way Skip does.
I personally, haven't trained since early in March of 2005 by choice.
After 21 years without a break, to be able to make the transition into Fatherhood, New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
It stands to reason I would not look as I did, heck I have been retired from competition for 5 years!
peace,
S. Ray
This guy even MORE pathetic
yes
don't forget posting on getbig 24 hours a day.yeah, ok mr 30 posts per day.
good text thumps up
there is nothing for him to gain by saying that
skip saying he is natural=people go WOW..he's a damn big dude for a natty guy
skip admits to juice..and all of a sudden he's a no body..
get it?
yonnie hamburger says he's natural also..i trained with him here n there...and saw him magically gain 35 lbs in the months leading up to the masters o
natural..yeeeah..
Well that's rock solid proof for me. You changed my mind.
Well that's rock solid proof for me. You changed my mind.
and the evidence to the contrary is just word of mouth also... ::)
skip saying he is natural=people go WOW..he's a damn big dude for a natty guy
skip admits to juice..and all of a sudden he's a no body..
get it?
yonnie hamburger says he's natural also..i trained with him here n there...and saw him magically gain 35 lbs in the months leading up to the masters o
natural..yeeeah..
I agree I am calling Skip out we need to see independant lab tests by blood, urine and hair before i will agree he is natty...
oh and a lie detector test
such a gullible gullible little boy you are 240.
you went to war with that dude that trained those musclemania winners because he came out and said they were using, everybody does it, and its just part of the game. yet a guy that competes in the same division gives you a free dvd and some chump change and you become his biggest cheerleader. hmmm?
shawn ray is out of the game and isnt going to speak out against someone that hasnt trashed him before.
i already said it, skip is a liar, but a smart liar. he treats people in a way that gets them to believe him. just open your eyes. everyone admits drugs are in natural competitions, and everyone acknowledges how much a benefit the drugs give, but he's so great he wins at the highest level of natural competition without drugs. hes so great he can finish in the top 10 IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION at the biggest non-tested amateur show in the world. HEAVYWEIGHT. he was one of the ten best non-pro HEAVYWEIGHTS without using drugs?
he's either a liar or the greatest bodybuilder ever. you do what you like, i'm going to play the odds on this one.
shawn ray is out of the game and isnt going to speak out against someone that hasnt trashed him before.
i already said it, skip is a liar, but a smart liar. he treats people in a way that gets them to believe him. just open your eyes. everyone admits drugs are in natural competitions, and everyone acknowledges how much a benefit the drugs give, but he's so great he wins at the highest level of natural competition without drugs. hes so great he can finish in the top 10 IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION at the biggest non-tested amateur show in the world. HEAVYWEIGHT. he was one of the ten best non-pro HEAVYWEIGHTS without using drugs?
he's either a liar or the greatest bodybuilder ever. you do what you like, i'm going to play the odds on this one.
i dont know who joe and frank are, but if they are finishing in the top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.
believe what you want, but a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need? you think they were the only winners to use? if you think a non-user can compete with a user that does evreything else right and has decent genetics for putting on muslce, you are crazy. the guy even said the judges know the guys are using when 240 thought he was going to be smart and "report" these guys to the musclemania organization.
again believe what you want, but i've talked to a ifbb pro in venice, a guy that knew everyone and trained with numerous ifbb pros there, and even trained with a guy that was using that did a natural show, they all said the same thing, if you want to compete, you have to use.
skip is either the greatest ever or a liar. i'm not betting on greatest ever.
i dont know who joe and frank are, but if they are finishing in the top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.
believe what you want, but a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need? you think they were the only winners to use? if you think a non-user can compete with a user that does evreything else right and has decent genetics for putting on muslce, you are crazy. the guy even said the judges know the guys are using when 240 thought he was going to be smart and "report" these guys to the musclemania organization.
again believe what you want, but i've talked to a ifbb pro in venice, a guy that knew everyone and trained with numerous ifbb pros there, and even trained with a guy that was using that did a natural show, they all said the same thing, if you want to compete, you have to use.
skip is either the greatest ever or a liar. i'm not betting on greatest ever.
"I know guys who claim to be natural and use, therefore everyone who claims to be natural uses."
And wtf does the Musclemania show have to do with the IFBB World Amateur Championships? Like they're both on the same level and have the same testing standards and everything.
That's brilliant. Just brilliant. Can't argue with that.
::)
sorry to hurt your poor little feelings norton and dan-o about your idol, but a bodybuilder is still a bodybuilder and most are compulsive liars, even the nice ones. :)
mwb, at the highest levels at the higher weightclasses, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.
need more proof?
kai greene won musclemania or team universe, one of those shows. he also finished in the top 15 at the ny pro beating jason artnz and other name bodybuilders. so now naturals can beat pro users? hahahaha
hey norton, are you using cell-tech? you should. its 1950% better than regular creatine.
heres a little question all you dorks should ask.
when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing a drug test at a musclemania, team universe, or world championship show? i can admit, anyone who fails the drug test is an idiot. its not rocket science to be clean when you know the day of the test.
but, when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing the lie detector portion of the test? everyone admits drugs are a part of natural bodybuilding, so where are all the disqualifications? they cant all be great liars.
but keep believing all these guys are natural even though virtually no one is ever disqualified, a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using.
and dont forget, cell tech is 1950% better than regular creatine.
damn norton, 120+ posts in your first 6 days.
damn norton, 120+ posts in your first 6 days.
are you trying to overtake 240 as getbig postwhore?
Maybe the bb.com forum is down right now. This kid is really gullible, don't waste your time on him.
I guess when you get called out and you can't respond, change the subject.
i did the work for you norton, you can thank me by not being an idiot any longer.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44134.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46138.0
read it, and now stfu
prove it!
::)
your'e a joke too.
Speak the truth.
John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.
you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.
"Hey joejoe, did I miss something? What does this have to do with Skip being drug free?"
you really arent that bright arent you? it has nothing directly to do with skip, just more evidence in the case against him.
but, it directly has to do with this:
"But the kicker is "a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using"
I mean how can you argue with that?"
because you are an ignorant dumbfuck that didnt know wtf he was talking about when i was talking about alimini.
keep drinking the kool-aid, maybe skip will send you a dvd.
you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.
Disgusted............Now you know how I roll.
Dont Hate. 8)
There is nothing Called natural BBing … there is tested and untested shows … skip does tested shows, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t use drugs … it means he is clean (urine sample) on the day of the test
Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?
When did Jan Ullrich get caught for using gear?
Hey I said that utterly compelling evidence you presented has changed my mind.
than you'r an idiot :-\
And you are a wad of monkey shit. ;D
Indeed. There's a real naivety about 'natural' bodybuilding, much like there was about ALL pro bodybuilding back in the 1970s-1980s, and much like there used to be about the entire field in the finals of the 100m sprint at the Olympics. Some people, even to this day, think that only 'one or two' of the athletes therein are using performance-enhancing drugs (usually the winners) and everyone else is natural (hence, why they lost).
As said above, the only real fact is that they passed the urine tests. That's about it. So do the vast majority of track athletes, with only a few of the desperate/greedy/stupid ones getting caught (i.e., Ben Johnson, Chambers, Montgomery). Michael Johnson never got caught, but that doesn't make him clean. He was just X per cent smarter than the others. Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?
If you think back to the mid-to-late 1980s when FLEX was absolutely the bible, anyone who read the magazine who really wasn't on the pulse (i.e., no internet, no mass sharing of controlled information) and didn't actually compete themselves (or take BB to a very high level) had little to no idea all the pros were heavy users. It wasn't mentioned, wasn't discussed, and because FLEX et al said so (and still does), it was assumed they were natural. It seems unbelievably daft and naive now, doesn't it? Because it was, and you can re-apply that blind-sided logic and way of thinking to today's naturals.
The thing that really bugs me about La Cour's web site, and I think this was also mentioned above, is it looks and reads like a scam site. Like a porno site, where it's just endlessly plugging you to buy things and click on this and then buy that etc etc. I realise the guy has to make a living, but if he was genuinely natural and genuinely this God of that world, he could and should be cleaning up. The fact he has to resort to endlessly peddling inferior products amongst the token and throwaway 'tips' on his site leads me to believe he's a bit of a charlatan.
He may well show up as 'natural' on a urine test, and he may well be 'natural' this second, or for X months of the year, but does that mean he was and is always natural? Does it f**k.
:)
He was banned for six months and dropped by his team in 2002 when he tested positive for amphetamines and ecstacy, I think; not gear per se, although those were your words, not mine. :)
My point wasn't about Ullrich per se, but more Armstrong and the extreme end of all sports. And it'll never change, as moving back to the track example, nobody wants to see > 10 second 100m finals at the Olympics any more. Nobody.
and you'r a cumquat!
..wait..i like this game...
Fun huh?
uhhuh...yes skip..tis a lotta fun! ;D
(http://ironman.prosolutions.tv/contests/photos/32/118_180_8016.jpg)
If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.
"The Apostle Disguisted" has spoken. ::)
Thanks for your enlightening me as you must be Sinless and Perfect to tell me what I am and what I am not.
Peace be with you my Son. ;D
your'e a joke too.
Speak the truth.
John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.
If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.
If you think a 40 year old can look like that naturally, then you're naive. In the pre steroid days, 30 was considered old. All the top bodybuilders were in their early 20s, which is when you still have lots of natural testosterone.
Skip looks like a pro bodybuilder from the 1970s, and we know they took lots of steroids, but no GH, insulin, or other drugs commonly used today.
Just because you look like shit doesn't mean Skip takes steroids.
Provide proof or stfu!
your'e even more patheticer than i thought
Just because you look like shit doesn't mean Skip takes steroids.
Provide proof or stfu!
This is natural possible
http://www.berend-breitenstein.de/german/galerie3.php
Who is Norton?
Layne Norton
http://www.physiquescience.com
Writer for:
Fitness & Physique Magazine
bodybuilding.com
bulknutrition.com
mindandmuscle online magazine
hahahaha this guy ratted you out.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne33_10_big.jpg)
No wonder hes getting all upset. hahahahaha
When did John Hansen admit to using gear?
Wait a minute, this guy probably takes drugs because he's bigger than you.
Yeah hes huge hahahahaha
You know, following these links and looking at all these pictures, you have to admit, bodybuilding competition is just plain gay. No wonder it's laughed at by everyone else.
you just came to this realization now?
You know, following these links and looking at all these pictures, you have to admit, bodybuilding competition is just plain gay. No wonder it's laughed at by everyone else.
If when someone posts a pic and you instantly check out the size of the persons man bulge or their face to see if they're "cute" than yeah I'd say you're pretty gay.
No, it's just been reinforced.
that's what Getbig is here for . . . positive reinforcement
exctly.
Burn in Hell Mr Norton
yes
He says he doesn't take drugs. He's never failed a drug test. He has primarily competed in drug tested shows. In non drug tested shows he has placed but it was clear to everyone that his physique was drug free (there is a distinct look when you take drugs I think we will all agree), no one has ever claimed to have supplied him drugs.
Are you basing this solely on the fact that he makes you look like shit?
I'd be willing to bet a natural Skip could bury Shawn in the gym, no matter how many needles or angels that Shawn had.I don't believe this. Shawn in his prime used to bury many a bodybuilder who tried to train with him. Shawn trained at very fast pace, to my understanding. I don't see how Skip could possibly bury him.