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Title: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: robocop on December 28, 2005, 12:20:14 PM
I know you believe in god. So lying is not allowed.

Tell us something about this so called natural bodybuilder.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 12:38:25 PM
I'd be willing to bet a natural Skip could bury Shawn in the gym, no matter how many needles or angels that Shawn had.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Biggrnyou on December 28, 2005, 12:46:37 PM
What are you hoping to hear?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 12:57:13 PM
I'd be willing to bet a natural Skip could bury Shawn in the gym, no matter how many needles or angels that Shawn had.

Finally, we agree on something!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:02:44 PM
Personally i think Skip is just a good guy. He's a hard worker both in the gym and in business. He doesn't get caught up in the nasty side of bodybuilding.

And he's never killed anyone, stuffed in a trunk and set them on fire. So he's got that going for him.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 01:10:47 PM
This is because your'e doing work for Skip Lacour.

speak the truth you bastard

I worked with skip earlier this year.  I respect him for his work ethic and drive...  only person I've ever met with as much damn drive as I have.

Shawn was a great pro, had a lot of good O finishes... but without gear, well, we see what he looks like now.  Hell, they're about the same age, right?  Who looks better now?  Who will look better at 50?


Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 01:14:43 PM
about his drug use


What evidence do you have to support this claim?

Let's weight facts...

There's your opinion. Okay.  Anonymous internet opinion. Check.

Then we can compare that to 15+ years of competition in heavily drug-tested contests and consistent yet never monumental spurts of growth, along with the respect of his peers. 

Tough choice here...
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:18:14 PM
Skip lacour is also a drug user
you stupid clown

What makes you say that?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2005, 01:19:09 PM
Shawn was a great pro, had a lot of good O finishes... but without gear, well, we see what he looks like now.  Hell, they're about the same age, right?  Who looks better now?  Who will look better at 50?


Shawn Ray looks the way he does now cause he wants to. At one point people realize theres more to life than physical appearance. Shawn would smoke Lacour anywhere and anytime with or without gear. Shawn is a freak.........look at his pics as a kid.

"Lacour" a lifetime natural...............pf fft  ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 28, 2005, 01:21:55 PM
"Lacour" a lifetime natural...............pf fft  ::)
Quote

Thank you for your support

Good. You got what you wanted. Now go back to living with your pathetic body. Feel better now?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 01:22:20 PM
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Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 01:27:44 PM
Shawn's lurking and he's been checking this thread, check the logs


Shawn isn't touching this thread.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:28:34 PM
"Lacour" a lifetime natural...............pf fft  ::)

Thank you for your support

He says he doesn't take drugs. He's never failed a drug test. He has primarily competed in drug tested shows. In non drug tested shows he has placed but it was clear to everyone that his physique was drug free (there is a distinct look when you take drugs I think we will all agree),  no one has ever claimed to have supplied him drugs.

Are you basing this solely on the fact that he makes you look like shit?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2005, 01:28:37 PM
He says he doesn't take drugs. He's never failed a drug test. He has primarily competed in drug tested shows. In non drug tested shows he has placed but it was clear to everyone that his physique was drug free (there is a distinct look when you take drugs I think we will all agree),  no one has ever claimed to have supplied him drugs.

Are you basing this solely on the fact that he makes you look like shit?

I bet aliamini's boys tell people they're natural too......hes that damn good!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 28, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
Well, I for one have always had a great deal for Skip as a person. As an Athlete I gained even more respect for him. Skip is one of themost intellegent Bodybuilders Pro or Amateur that I have had the pleasure of working with.
I believe he is Drug Free when he says it, there is nothing for him to gain by saying that but I have never asked him to prove it why?
That being said, visit Skips web site, he reveals everything for you guys to follow to help you Nutritionally and Training wise.
Sadly, there are knuckleheads on this board who wont read, try or practice some very laid out guidelines Skip shares to follow in order to look the way Skip does.
I personally, haven't trained since early in March of 2005 by choice.
After 21 years without a break, to be able to make the transition into Fatherhood, New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
It stands to reason I would not look as I did, heck I have been retired from competition for 5 years!
peace,
S. Ray
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: sarcasm on December 28, 2005, 01:35:06 PM
Well, I for one have always had a great deal for Skip as a person. As an Athlete I gained even more respect for him. Skip is one of themost intellegent Bodybuilders Pro or Amateur that I have had the pleasure of working with.
I believe he is Drug Free when he says it, there is nothing for him to gain by saying that but I have never asked him to prove it why?
That being said, visit Skips web site, he reveals everything for you guys to follow to help you Nutritionally and Training wise.
Sadly, there are knuckleheads on this board who wont read, try or practice some very laid out guidelines Skip shares to follow in order to look the way Skip does.
I personally, haven't trained since early in March of 2005 by choice.
After 21 years without a break, to be able to make the transition into Fatherhood, New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
It stands to reason I would not look as I did, heck I have been retired from competition for 5 years!
peace,
S. Ray
don't forget posting on getbig 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:38:30 PM
your'e a joke too.

Speak the truth.

John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.

John Hansen is a wad of monkey shit.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 28, 2005, 01:38:53 PM
My "Index Finger" is looking pretty good! ;D
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 01:42:39 PM
New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.

THey treating you well over at BSN, Shawn?  I heard you saying they're #1!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 28, 2005, 01:45:14 PM
No response will be sufficient for the "Haters."
However, props to Skip!
They're still talking while your still training! ;D
Happy New Year brutha!
Peace,
S. Ray
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:46:42 PM
No response will be sufficient for the "Haters."
However, props to Skip!
They're still talking while your still training! ;D
Happy New Year brutha!
Peace,
S. Ray

Shawn Ray, a class act.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:52:43 PM
I don't hate you. I HATE ALL THOSE LIES.
i admired you. one of the best physiques i've ever seen.

Who's lying?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2005, 01:53:50 PM
Training wise  ;D

His Training and Nutrition programs are not based on science.
both are based on the so called Shawn ray gym crap talk

Hey bro, I went from an etheopian looking 120 lbs to an astonishing 215 pounds ripped in two months following "MAX-OT" principles. hahahah
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 01:59:10 PM
Skip Lacour

Why do you think he's lying?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 02:06:54 PM
Skip Lacour

No matter what gym you go in around the country you have excuse makers. If you don't take drugs then anyone bigger or stronger than you does. If you do take drugs anyone bigger and stronger than you takes more drugs.

And you the one, though you barely look like you train, you do your best to make sure everyone knows you do.

What a pitty.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 28, 2005, 02:16:47 PM
Well, I for one have always had a great deal for Skip as a person. As an Athlete I gained even more respect for him. Skip is one of themost intellegent Bodybuilders Pro or Amateur that I have had the pleasure of working with.
I believe he is Drug Free when he says it, there is nothing for him to gain by saying that but I have never asked him to prove it why?
That being said, visit Skips web site, he reveals everything for you guys to follow to help you Nutritionally and Training wise.
Sadly, there are knuckleheads on this board who wont read, try or practice some very laid out guidelines Skip shares to follow in order to look the way Skip does.
I personally, haven't trained since early in March of 2005 by choice.
After 21 years without a break, to be able to make the transition into Fatherhood, New Job position, new house and not competing it is nice to finally relax.
It stands to reason I would not look as I did, heck I have been retired from competition for 5 years!
peace,
S. Ray

relax shorty  you're doing great. 
that being said, you do have more chins than the san francisco phone book.    :)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 02:17:09 PM

This guy even MORE pathetic


You don't hear me whining about other people taking drugs.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 02:22:06 PM
yes

That's what i thought.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 02:53:02 PM
oh, and to defend himself once on mayhem, he gave the most illogical reasoning ever. he said, everyone knows there are people in natural shows that juice, but the juicers usually only finish 3rd or 4th because since they cheat with the juice, they probably cheat on their training or dieting as well.

RIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHTTT TTTTT skip, that makes perfect sense.

you guys saw what the trainer for those musclemania winners was saying. musclemania and team universe are basically the same thing. why do you believe skip is any different from those winners? because he's nice? hahahahahahahaha

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: jeffrey. on December 28, 2005, 03:00:43 PM
don't forget posting on getbig 24 hours a day.
yeah, ok mr 30 posts per day.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 03:05:57 PM
good text thumps up

You guys need to learn a new way to deal with your inferiority complexes.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Dan-O on December 28, 2005, 03:06:48 PM
Skip's for real and you guys who are hating on him are making yourselves look like a bunch of jealous, weak-minded little losers.

The truth is, Skip works his ass off and he's got his training and diet down to a science and you don't.

Go ahead and flame away some more--see if that'll help you get any bigger or stronger. ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 28, 2005, 03:07:14 PM
there is nothing for him to gain by saying that


skip saying he is natural=people go WOW..he's a damn big dude for a natty guy

skip admits to juice..and all of a sudden he's a no body..

get it?

yonnie hamburger says he's natural also..i trained with him here n there...and saw him magically gain 35 lbs in the months leading up to the masters o

natural..yeeeah..
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 03:11:01 PM

skip saying he is natural=people go WOW..he's a damn big dude for a natty guy

skip admits to juice..and all of a sudden he's a no body..

get it?

yonnie hamburger says he's natural also..i trained with him here n there...and saw him magically gain 35 lbs in the months leading up to the masters o

natural..yeeeah..

Well that's rock solid proof for me. You changed my mind.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 03:12:38 PM
Well that's rock solid proof for me. You changed my mind.

LOL...

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 28, 2005, 03:36:08 PM
Well that's rock solid proof for me. You changed my mind.

and the evidence to the contrary is just word of mouth also... ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 03:38:20 PM
and the evidence to the contrary is just word of mouth also... ::)

Hey I said that utterly compelling evidence you presented has changed my mind.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: zwide on December 28, 2005, 03:56:33 PM
What i dont understand is why all these people dont believe if Skip says he does not Juice ... cause really an trully if he does you win the lottery... ::)

If he does not ... do you still win the Lottery ... ::)

Point is he says he does not .... bring all the facts to prove otherwise ... Pliz no rumours...... :P
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: WiseGuy on December 28, 2005, 04:56:42 PM

skip saying he is natural=people go WOW..he's a damn big dude for a natty guy

skip admits to juice..and all of a sudden he's a no body..

get it?

yonnie hamburger says he's natural also..i trained with him here n there...and saw him magically gain 35 lbs in the months leading up to the masters o

natural..yeeeah..

I agree I am calling Skip out  we need to see independant lab tests by blood, urine and hair before i will agree he is natty...

oh and a lie detector test


 >:(
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Bluto on December 28, 2005, 05:06:05 PM
who cares
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 28, 2005, 05:07:28 PM
I agree I am calling Skip out  we need to see independant lab tests by blood, urine and hair before i will agree he is natty...
oh and a lie detector test

I'm sure skip will lose sleep over not being able to please an anonymous person on the internet.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 05:46:15 PM
such a gullible gullible little boy you are 240.

you went to war with that dude that trained those musclemania winners because he came out and said they were using, everybody does it, and its just part of the game. yet a guy that competes in the same division gives you a free dvd and some chump change and you become his biggest cheerleader. hmmm?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
So much proof here. Skip should just turn himself in.  ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 05:50:13 PM
NEW getbig.com Drugtest!

If he's bigger than me he's on steroids.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 28, 2005, 05:50:17 PM
such a gullible gullible little boy you are 240.

you went to war with that dude that trained those musclemania winners because he came out and said they were using, everybody does it, and its just part of the game. yet a guy that competes in the same division gives you a free dvd and some chump change and you become his biggest cheerleader. hmmm?


..and what's Shawn Ray's reason?]
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 05:58:22 PM
shawn ray is out of the game and isnt going to speak out against someone that hasnt trashed him before.

i already said it, skip is a liar, but a smart liar. he treats people in a way that gets them to believe him. just open your eyes. everyone admits drugs are in natural competitions, and everyone acknowledges how much a benefit the drugs give, but he's so great he wins at the highest level of natural competition without drugs. hes so great he can finish in the top 10 IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION at the biggest non-tested amateur show in the world. HEAVYWEIGHT. he was one of the ten best non-pro HEAVYWEIGHTS without using drugs?

he's either a liar or the greatest bodybuilder ever. you do what you like, i'm going to play the odds on this one.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 06:03:02 PM
shawn ray is out of the game and isnt going to speak out against someone that hasnt trashed him before.

i already said it, skip is a liar, but a smart liar. he treats people in a way that gets them to believe him. just open your eyes. everyone admits drugs are in natural competitions, and everyone acknowledges how much a benefit the drugs give, but he's so great he wins at the highest level of natural competition without drugs. hes so great he can finish in the top 10 IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION at the biggest non-tested amateur show in the world. HEAVYWEIGHT. he was one of the ten best non-pro HEAVYWEIGHTS without using drugs?

he's either a liar or the greatest bodybuilder ever. you do what you like, i'm going to play the odds on this one.

Wow, even more proof! Man JoeJoe you really have opened my eyes. You are so smart and your deductive reasoning is incredible. You're like a human lie detector.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 28, 2005, 06:04:09 PM
shawn ray is out of the game and isnt going to speak out against someone that hasnt trashed him before.

i already said it, skip is a liar, but a smart liar. he treats people in a way that gets them to believe him. just open your eyes. everyone admits drugs are in natural competitions, and everyone acknowledges how much a benefit the drugs give, but he's so great he wins at the highest level of natural competition without drugs. hes so great he can finish in the top 10 IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION at the biggest non-tested amateur show in the world. HEAVYWEIGHT. he was one of the ten best non-pro HEAVYWEIGHTS without using drugs?

he's either a liar or the greatest bodybuilder ever. you do what you like, i'm going to play the odds on this one.

so basically what you are saying is that anyone who places well in a large natural contest ISN'T really natural, right? Skip, Joe, Frank, or whoever. The winner of that natural show isn't natural. Right?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 06:14:29 PM
i dont know who joe and frank are, but if they are finishing in the top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.

believe what you want, but a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need? you think they were the only winners to use? if you think a non-user can compete with a user that does evreything else right and has decent genetics for putting on muslce, you are crazy. the guy even said the judges know the guys are using when 240 thought he was going to be smart and "report" these guys to the musclemania organization.

again believe what you want, but i've talked to a ifbb pro in venice, a guy that knew everyone and trained with numerous ifbb pros there, and even trained with a guy that was using that did a natural show, they all said the same thing, if you want to compete, you have to use.

skip is either the greatest ever or a liar. i'm not betting on greatest ever.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 06:20:54 PM
i dont know who joe and frank are, but if they are finishing in the top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.

believe what you want, but a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need? you think they were the only winners to use? if you think a non-user can compete with a user that does evreything else right and has decent genetics for putting on muslce, you are crazy. the guy even said the judges know the guys are using when 240 thought he was going to be smart and "report" these guys to the musclemania organization.

again believe what you want, but i've talked to a ifbb pro in venice, a guy that knew everyone and trained with numerous ifbb pros there, and even trained with a guy that was using that did a natural show, they all said the same thing, if you want to compete, you have to use.

skip is either the greatest ever or a liar. i'm not betting on greatest ever.

Oh. "a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need?"

Well that's it. Proof positive! No doubt about it. Case closed!

I didn't realize a guy told you. I thought you were just making assumptions. And you even talked to an ifbb pro in venice? How can anyone possibly argue with that evidence?

You go joejoe!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 28, 2005, 06:22:42 PM
i dont know who joe and frank are, but if they are finishing in the top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.

believe what you want, but a guy came on here admitting the guys he trained that were winning the musclemania shows were using. how much more proof do you need? you think they were the only winners to use? if you think a non-user can compete with a user that does evreything else right and has decent genetics for putting on muslce, you are crazy. the guy even said the judges know the guys are using when 240 thought he was going to be smart and "report" these guys to the musclemania organization.

again believe what you want, but i've talked to a ifbb pro in venice, a guy that knew everyone and trained with numerous ifbb pros there, and even trained with a guy that was using that did a natural show, they all said the same thing, if you want to compete, you have to use.

skip is either the greatest ever or a liar. i'm not betting on greatest ever.

Joe and Frank were just random names, Einstein. I was just trying to understand your point. Are you saying that ANYONE (not just Skip) who wins a major natural competition isn't really natural. No one None. Zippo. Zero.

Is that what you are saying?

So wheree do you think the "real" natural on those shows place? 5th or 6th? 8th or 9th? Is that too high?

The real winners in natural bodybuilding shows are the guys who place out of the money right?

It's not possible for a real natural bodyuilder to win a natural show.

I'm just trying to understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Dan-O on December 28, 2005, 06:23:42 PM
"I know guys who claim to be natural and use, therefore everyone who claims to be natural uses."

And wtf does the Musclemania show have to do with the IFBB World Amateur Championships?  Like they're both on the same level and have the same testing standards and everything.


That's brilliant.  Just brilliant.  Can't argue with that.

::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 06:30:47 PM
sorry to hurt your poor little feelings norton and dan-o about your idol, but a bodybuilder is still a bodybuilder and most are compulsive liars, even the nice ones. :)

mwb, at the highest levels at the higher weightclasses, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.

need more proof?

kai greene won musclemania or team universe, one of those shows. he also finished in the top 15 at the ny pro beating jason artnz and other name bodybuilders. so now naturals can beat pro users? hahahaha
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 06:32:14 PM
"I know guys who claim to be natural and use, therefore everyone who claims to be natural uses."

And wtf does the Musclemania show have to do with the IFBB World Amateur Championships?  Like they're both on the same level and have the same testing standards and everything.


That's brilliant.  Just brilliant.  Can't argue with that.

::)


what are you talking about? skip competed and won in musclemania shows as well.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 06:35:20 PM
sorry to hurt your poor little feelings norton and dan-o about your idol, but a bodybuilder is still a bodybuilder and most are compulsive liars, even the nice ones. :)

mwb, at the highest levels at the higher weightclasses, then yeah, they probably arent completely natural.

need more proof?

kai greene won musclemania or team universe, one of those shows. he also finished in the top 15 at the ny pro beating jason artnz and other name bodybuilders. so now naturals can beat pro users? hahahaha

More solid proof!

JoeJoe you are awesome. Clairvoyant even.

I mean you can just see right through these dirty liers. And the incredible evidence you have is irrefutable. Who could Begin to even argue with it?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 06:38:10 PM
hey norton, are you using cell-tech? you should. its 1950% better than regular creatine.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 06:42:29 PM
hey norton, are you using cell-tech? you should. its 1950% better than regular creatine.

No way there are steroids in that. I mean I know they say it's natural but come on. A guy told a friend of my cousin's that he read it somewhere that there were steroids in that.

So there's proof right there. In fact that's joejoe proof! Can't get any more proof than that!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 28, 2005, 06:48:43 PM
Joe Joe for President! ;D
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Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Double XL on December 28, 2005, 06:58:07 PM
yooo dude, Doooooo
skip da man yooo

things that make you go hmmm.....

peace out yo, i love you guys, doooooo


S. Ray

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 07:25:17 PM
heres a little question all you dorks should ask.

when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing a drug test at a musclemania, team universe, or world championship show? i can admit, anyone who fails the drug test is an idiot. its not rocket science to be clean when you know the day of the test.

but, when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing the lie detector portion of the test? everyone admits drugs are a part of natural bodybuilding, so where are all the disqualifications? they cant all be great liars.


but keep believing all these guys are natural even though virtually no one is ever disqualified, a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using.

and dont forget, cell tech is 1950% better than regular creatine.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 07:40:27 PM
heres a little question all you dorks should ask.

when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing a drug test at a musclemania, team universe, or world championship show? i can admit, anyone who fails the drug test is an idiot. its not rocket science to be clean when you know the day of the test.

but, when is the last time you ever heard of someone being disqualified for failing the lie detector portion of the test? everyone admits drugs are a part of natural bodybuilding, so where are all the disqualifications? they cant all be great liars.


but keep believing all these guys are natural even though virtually no one is ever disqualified, a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using.

and dont forget, cell tech is 1950% better than regular creatine.


Damn! More solid proof!

But the kicker is "a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using"

I mean how can you argue with that?

Ata boy joejoe.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Disgusted on December 28, 2005, 07:54:32 PM
Don't forget guys that Shawn has a new car, new job, new house new marriage, new baby new.................  BTW Shawn what is your new job? No matter what you ask Shawn he will always let you know what's new.  ;D
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 07:55:05 PM
you registered 6 days ago norton, you have no idea what you are talking about.

instead of continuing to be an ignorant dumbfuck, ask 240 about team THE GAME.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 08:00:41 PM
damn norton, 120+ posts in your first 6 days.

are you trying to overtake 240 as getbig postwhore?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2005, 08:04:09 PM
damn norton, 120+ posts in your first 6 days.


Maybe the bb.com forum is down right now. This kid is really gullible, don't waste your time on him.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 08:04:12 PM
damn norton, 120+ posts in your first 6 days.

are you trying to overtake 240 as getbig postwhore?

Do you have a problem with that?

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 08:05:29 PM
Maybe the bb.com forum is down right now. This kid is really gullible, don't waste your time on him.

I guess when you get called out and you can't respond, change the subject.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 28, 2005, 08:08:21 PM
I guess when you get called out and you can't respond, change the subject.

prove it!













 ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 08:16:12 PM
i did the work for you norton, you can thank me by not being an idiot any longer.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44134.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46138.0

read it, and now stfu
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 28, 2005, 08:28:46 PM
Disgusted............Now you know how I roll.
Dont Hate.  8)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 08:56:40 PM
i did the work for you norton, you can thank me by not being an idiot any longer.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44134.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46138.0

read it, and now stfu

Hey joejoe, did I miss something? What does this have to do with Skip being drug free?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 09:00:04 PM
prove it!













 ::)

Prove what?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Dan-O on December 28, 2005, 09:00:38 PM
joejoe's "logic" is more convoluted than the plotline of an M. Night Shyamalan movie.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 09:01:42 PM
your'e a joke too.

Speak the truth.

John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.

What does this have to do with Skip?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 09:20:55 PM
"Hey joejoe, did I miss something? What does this have to do with Skip being drug free?"

you really arent that bright arent you? it has nothing directly to do with skip, just more evidence in the case against him.

but, it directly has to do with this:

"But the kicker is "a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using"

I mean how can you argue with that?"

because you are an ignorant dumb**** that didnt know wtf he was talking about when i was talking about alimini.

keep drinking the kool-aid, maybe skip will send you a dvd.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 09:24:59 PM
you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 28, 2005, 09:33:18 PM
you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.

What does "compete" mean? You can pay your entry fee and be allowed to compete. Obviously you think placing 10th in the heavyweights at the USA is WAY, WAY too much on an accomplishment for a drug free bodybuilder.

Isn't that right?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 09:50:22 PM
"Hey joejoe, did I miss something? What does this have to do with Skip being drug free?"

you really arent that bright arent you? it has nothing directly to do with skip, just more evidence in the case against him.

but, it directly has to do with this:

"But the kicker is "a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using"

I mean how can you argue with that?"

because you are an ignorant dumbfuck that didnt know wtf he was talking about when i was talking about alimini.

keep drinking the kool-aid, maybe skip will send you a dvd.

Hey joejoe you're a little touchy about this. I'm telling you Skip is drugfree and you don't have a shred of evidence to prove otherwise. Aside from the guy you said was on here and said he had a friend who know somebody that knew somebody that read it somewhere that no one is natural.

And I don't give a shit about alimini. All this bullshit you are using to try and prove your point (which it appears you don't even know what point you are trying to make) is simply making you the dumbfuck.

I think you need to get over your "little man" complex.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 28, 2005, 09:54:03 PM
you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.

So all you have to do is take drugs. That's the answer to bodybuilding success. Maybe the more you take the better you'll be.

You have it all figured out. You and your joejoe proof.

The little man has it all figured out.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Disgusted on December 28, 2005, 10:05:42 PM
Disgusted............Now you know how I roll.
Dont Hate.  8)

I don't hate you Shawn and I have no idea as to what you mean by "how I roll"? You need to speak english and a lesson in humility would do you some good. Shawn, on a serious note, you are not a Christian by any means. Sadly  you may never realize this.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 28, 2005, 10:23:10 PM
(http://ironman.prosolutions.tv/contests/photos/32/118_180_8016.jpg)

If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: joejoe on December 28, 2005, 10:29:43 PM
yes mwb, top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's in this day and age of drug use, i dont think anyone with any long experience in bodybuilding will say it would be possible for someone that has never used juice, never used a diuretic, and never used any growth or insulin. believe what you want, but there are guys that bust their ass for years, decent enough genetics to win small/state level shows, using the drugs and will never see top 10 at the usa's. drugs are just too much of an advantage to overcome among people with similar genetics.

keep drinking the kool-aid norton, skip is probably going to be sending that dvd soon.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: aliamini on December 28, 2005, 11:35:31 PM
There is nothing Called natural BBing … there is tested and untested shows … skip does tested shows, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t use drugs … it means he is clean (urine sample) on the day of the test

When I said that earlier about my team mates … so of u got upset and called me a cheater, this is the way things are done.  The IFBB world Championship is tested as well, so the same thing applies to all the tested shows …

What Shawn said was very respectful and talked as a fellow BBer and a businessman. 

 Skip says he is drug free cause he is doing a tested show and wants to market himself + he wants to sell the DVDs and book he produces … I bought the MAX-OT style DVD … what interested me the most (before I buy it) was the nutrition seminar but after listening to it (1 hour seminar) I was disappointed cause he basically says nothing useful and tries to sell the AST products mainly.  (any flex nutrition article would be more beneficial that what he said for an hour.

Y don’t people believe skip is natural?  Cause the people in the sport know the Science (not skip alone knows it)

Skip doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone … but if want to be marketed well I believe you should stick to the facts and not mention some of them instead of changing them. 

And as good as you see him on stage … he will never do any serious damage with the IFBB World champion athletes … that is the best of the tested shows.  They don’t care who u r and where are u from … they will do the test and if u get caught the penalty will apply.

The sad part when the fans find out the truth and hate the BBer and disrespect him (so y lie in the fist place)

I hope everyone reads my previous clearly … I never mentioned any of my team members are taking drugs … nor are they cheating … the people on the board assumed.  But one thing I can say for sure I never lied nor and of my athletes ever did

There were some BBers got disqualified from Musclemania in Australia (I don’t remember which year) and there BBers who got disqualified from IFBB world in 2002 and 2003.


No disrespect to skip … I just wrote my opinion … if anyone sees it any different way … it is up to you … it is a free country after all

P.S. this is a public forum and no federation is going to take what is wrote here as a official statement.  Nor does anyone know here who is who

Happy new year Shawn

Ali Amini
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 28, 2005, 11:56:34 PM
50s
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/davidasnis3.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/genebohaty1.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/georgesboulanger1.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/carlcampagna1.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/philcourtois1.jpg)

20s
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/ernestcadine1.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/ernestcadine3.jpg)

And this was before people really learned about nutrition and the best ways to exercise.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 29, 2005, 12:07:25 AM
1910
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32641.0;id=31597;image)

(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/sandow1893.jpeg)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Zugzwang on December 29, 2005, 02:30:50 AM
There is nothing Called natural BBing … there is tested and untested shows … skip does tested shows, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t use drugs … it means he is clean (urine sample) on the day of the test

Indeed. There's a real naivety about 'natural' bodybuilding, much like there was about ALL pro bodybuilding back in the 1970s-1980s, and much like there used to be about the entire field in the finals of the 100m sprint at the Olympics. Some people, even to this day, think that only 'one or two' of the athletes therein are using performance-enhancing drugs (usually the winners) and everyone else is natural (hence, why they lost).

As said above, the only real fact is that they passed the urine tests. That's about it. So do the vast majority of track athletes, with only a few of the desperate/greedy/stupid ones getting caught (i.e., Ben Johnson, Chambers, Montgomery). Michael Johnson never got caught, but that doesn't make him clean. He was just X per cent smarter than the others. Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

If you think back to the mid-to-late 1980s when FLEX was absolutely the bible, anyone who read the magazine who really wasn't on the pulse (i.e., no internet, no mass sharing of controlled information) and didn't actually compete themselves (or take BB to a very high level) had little to no idea all the pros were heavy users. It wasn't mentioned, wasn't discussed, and because FLEX et al said so (and still does), it was assumed they were natural. It seems unbelievably daft and naive now, doesn't it? Because it was, and you can re-apply that blind-sided logic and way of thinking to today's naturals.

The thing that really bugs me about La Cour's web site, and I think this was also mentioned above, is it looks and reads like a scam site. Like a porno site, where it's just endlessly plugging you to buy things and click on this and then buy that etc etc. I realise the guy has to make a living, but if he was genuinely natural and genuinely this God of that world, he could and should be cleaning up. The fact he has to resort to endlessly peddling inferior products amongst the token and throwaway 'tips' on his site leads me to believe he's a bit of a charlatan.

He may well show up as 'natural' on a urine test, and he may well be 'natural' this second, or for X months of the year, but does that mean he was and is always natural? Does it f**k.

:)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: (nothing) on December 29, 2005, 03:13:43 AM
really i could care less if skip is natural or not. if anyone is going to be natural it would be him. he has no life outside of training and dieting. he eats clean all year and works out 7 weeks on and 1 week (as far as thel ast time read). so if the man says he is and passes the drug he has got to pass who are we to say he is or isn't.
on the whole skip is better than shawn, needle or not skip can't touch shawn while he was competing. 2nd shawn doesn't compete, shit he doesn't even workout so i would hope skip looks better than shawn. finally who gives a shit if skip trains harder, ronnie trains harder than skip so what point does that make.
natural yes or no, i could see it either way.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Hedgehog on December 29, 2005, 03:25:06 AM
Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

When did Jan Ullrich get caught for using gear?

Had no idea he has been caught.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Zugzwang on December 29, 2005, 03:33:07 AM
When did Jan Ullrich get caught for using gear?

He was banned for six months and dropped by his team in 2002 when he tested positive for amphetamines and ecstacy, I think; not gear per se, although those were your words, not mine. :)

My point wasn't about Ullrich per se, but more Armstrong and the extreme end of all sports. And it'll never change, as moving back to the track example, nobody wants to see > 10 second 100m finals at the Olympics any more. Nobody.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Tombo on December 29, 2005, 03:48:27 AM
The Skip is natural, no doubt in my mind. There are freaks out there people. Alot of your are very defensive.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 29, 2005, 05:16:31 AM
go to this website.

there are pages and pages of free information posted written by SKip Lacaour (like 5 years worth).

http://www.ast-ss.com/q_a/skip/q_a/skip_qa_main.asp
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 29, 2005, 05:32:08 AM
Hey I said that utterly compelling evidence you presented has changed my mind.

than you'r an idiot  :-\
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 05:53:16 AM
than you'r an idiot  :-\

And you are a wad of monkey shit.  ;D
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 29, 2005, 05:54:06 AM
And you are a wad of monkey shit.  ;D

and you'r a cumquat!



..wait..i like this game...
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 05:55:01 AM
Indeed. There's a real naivety about 'natural' bodybuilding, much like there was about ALL pro bodybuilding back in the 1970s-1980s, and much like there used to be about the entire field in the finals of the 100m sprint at the Olympics. Some people, even to this day, think that only 'one or two' of the athletes therein are using performance-enhancing drugs (usually the winners) and everyone else is natural (hence, why they lost).

As said above, the only real fact is that they passed the urine tests. That's about it. So do the vast majority of track athletes, with only a few of the desperate/greedy/stupid ones getting caught (i.e., Ben Johnson, Chambers, Montgomery). Michael Johnson never got caught, but that doesn't make him clean. He was just X per cent smarter than the others. Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

If you think back to the mid-to-late 1980s when FLEX was absolutely the bible, anyone who read the magazine who really wasn't on the pulse (i.e., no internet, no mass sharing of controlled information) and didn't actually compete themselves (or take BB to a very high level) had little to no idea all the pros were heavy users. It wasn't mentioned, wasn't discussed, and because FLEX et al said so (and still does), it was assumed they were natural. It seems unbelievably daft and naive now, doesn't it? Because it was, and you can re-apply that blind-sided logic and way of thinking to today's naturals.

The thing that really bugs me about La Cour's web site, and I think this was also mentioned above, is it looks and reads like a scam site. Like a porno site, where it's just endlessly plugging you to buy things and click on this and then buy that etc etc. I realise the guy has to make a living, but if he was genuinely natural and genuinely this God of that world, he could and should be cleaning up. The fact he has to resort to endlessly peddling inferior products amongst the token and throwaway 'tips' on his site leads me to believe he's a bit of a charlatan.

He may well show up as 'natural' on a urine test, and he may well be 'natural' this second, or for X months of the year, but does that mean he was and is always natural? Does it f**k.

:)

Wow, more stunning evidence! That's a lot words to prove absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 06:00:51 AM
He was banned for six months and dropped by his team in 2002 when he tested positive for amphetamines and ecstacy, I think; not gear per se, although those were your words, not mine. :)

My point wasn't about Ullrich per se, but more Armstrong and the extreme end of all sports. And it'll never change, as moving back to the track example, nobody wants to see > 10 second 100m finals at the Olympics any more. Nobody.

So is it your belief that whoever takes the most drugs wins?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 06:01:38 AM
and you'r a cumquat!



..wait..i like this game...

Fun huh?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 29, 2005, 06:03:19 AM
Fun huh?


uhhuh...yes skip..tis a lotta fun!  ;D
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 06:04:48 AM

uhhuh...yes skip..tis a lotta fun!  ;D

uh okay pete . . .
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Biggrnyou on December 29, 2005, 06:54:17 AM
(http://ironman.prosolutions.tv/contests/photos/32/118_180_8016.jpg)

If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.

Agreed.  End of Story.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Shawn Ray on December 29, 2005, 11:28:58 AM
"The Apostle Disguisted" has spoken. ::)
Thanks for your enlightening me as you must be Sinless and Perfect to tell me what I am and what I am not.
Peace be with you my Son. ;D
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: McFarland on December 29, 2005, 11:45:34 AM
Is "Norton" Layne Norton?  I like that guy. 
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Disgusted on December 29, 2005, 12:02:16 PM
"The Apostle Disguisted" has spoken. ::)
Thanks for your enlightening me as you must be Sinless and Perfect to tell me what I am and what I am not.
Peace be with you my Son. ;D

Sarcasm is usually an avoidance to a guilty conscience. I'm not perfect, I'm not sinless obviously. I'm a child of God who is trying my best to lead the life of a Christian. You need to practice humility Shawn. Vanity is your greatest sin. Your friend in Christ. Disgusted
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Flex 215 on December 29, 2005, 05:14:58 PM
your'e a joke too.

Speak the truth.

John hansen is a honest guy he admitted using gear in the past.

           When did John Hansen admit to using gear?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: timfogarty on December 29, 2005, 05:27:46 PM
If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.

If you think a 40 year old can look like that naturally, then you're naive.  In the pre steroid days, 30 was considered old.  All the top bodybuilders were in their early 20s, which is when you still have lots of natural testosterone.

Skip looks like a pro bodybuilder from the 1970s, and we know they took lots of steroids, but no GH, insulin, or other drugs commonly used today.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 29, 2005, 05:32:32 PM
If you think a 40 year old can look like that naturally, then you're naive.  In the pre steroid days, 30 was considered old.  All the top bodybuilders were in their early 20s, which is when you still have lots of natural testosterone.

Skip looks like a pro bodybuilder from the 1970s, and we know they took lots of steroids, but no GH, insulin, or other drugs commonly used today.



Just because you look like shit doesn't mean Skip takes steroids.

Provide proof or stfu!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Disgusted on December 29, 2005, 05:53:33 PM
Just because you look like shit doesn't mean Skip takes steroids.

Provide proof or stfu!


Be nice to Tim.  >:(
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 29, 2005, 06:05:31 PM
www.skiplacour.com has the answers, my friend...
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: HERACLES on December 29, 2005, 06:31:47 PM
Someone who eats and trains properly for YEARS can devleop a Skip Lacour type physique natrually.
Whats the doubt? 
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: aliamini on December 30, 2005, 12:33:40 AM
Who is Norton?

Layne Norton
http://www.physiquescience.com
Writer for:
Fitness & Physique Magazine
bodybuilding.com
bulknutrition.com
mindandmuscle online magazine

This writer reported what was written here in getgit to musclemania … basically he was complaining about me.

What tim fogarty said was true (if u know anything about biology) and that is what its all about … in BBing u have to know how the body works and work your way around it. 

When I started BBing I thought everyone was natural as is the case with any new bi.  But as time goes by a person gets to know the unmentioned aspects of the sport (or better known as THE DARK SIDE) … MD magazine discusses that all the time and other magazines don’t like it … y ?? cause they didn’t address the truth from the beginning …

as a BBer these issues should never be discussed in public and we should try to keep the image of BBing clean (like all the other sports where performance enhancement is never discussed in public)

it is really not a pretty picture when a new comer discovers that one of his all time best is not natural … but that is the way life goes and that is how the sport is going …

I am not advocating anything nor encouraging anyone … but the truth should be spoken and the image of BBing and BBers should not be bond or mentioned in the same sentence with drugs.

Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 30, 2005, 12:56:56 AM
I didn't know the guy was 40 - but the point is, natural or not, that physique is attainable without drugs. Just look at guys like Sandow - looked ripped way before steroids were used. And that was before people really understood the best ways to exercise and eat. Look at some of the naturals on this board - Goudy, Adonis.

LaCour btw does NOT look as big and massive as the top guys from the 70s as Tim stated. He doesn't have the mass of a Mentzer, Arnold, or Sergio. He looks like a dedicated bodybuilder.
Another question is - Do these guys consider their diuretic use when they make "natural" claims?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 30, 2005, 02:31:20 AM
Quote
your'e even more patheticer than i thought

ok "robocop" hahaha
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: DIVISION on December 30, 2005, 02:53:12 AM
Just because you look like shit doesn't mean Skip takes steroids.

Provide proof or stfu!

Don't crip on Timothy's set!   >:(




DIV
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Mars on December 30, 2005, 03:07:11 AM
This is natural possible

http://www.berend-breitenstein.de/german/galerie3.php

Haha that guy only encourage people to juice.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Mars on December 30, 2005, 03:42:48 AM
We better not show naturals because they are not good for motivation.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 30, 2005, 06:19:56 AM
Who is Norton?

Layne Norton
http://www.physiquescience.com
Writer for:
Fitness & Physique Magazine
bodybuilding.com
bulknutrition.com
mindandmuscle online magazine


hahahaha this guy ratted you out.


(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne33_10_big.jpg)


No wonder hes getting all upset. hahahahaha
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:38:52 AM
hahahaha this guy ratted you out.


(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne33_10_big.jpg)


No wonder hes getting all upset. hahahahaha

Sorry guys Chris Norton here. But I bet this dork wold put most of you guys to shame. Drugs or no drugs.

Wait a minute, this guy probably takes drugs because he's bigger than you.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:41:58 AM
           When did John Hansen admit to using gear?

Who cares. Gear or no gear, he's pathetic.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 30, 2005, 06:47:00 AM

Wait a minute, this guy probably takes drugs because he's bigger than you.


Yeah hes huge  hahahahaha
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:47:22 AM
You know, following these links and looking at all these pictures, you have to admit, bodybuilding competition is just plain gay. No wonder it's laughed at by everyone else.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:50:49 AM

Yeah hes huge  hahahahaha

Wow, you think so. Just start training harder you'll get there.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: tom joad on December 30, 2005, 06:52:17 AM
You know, following these links and looking at all these pictures, you have to admit, bodybuilding competition is just plain gay. No wonder it's laughed at by everyone else.

you just came to this realization now? 
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:54:51 AM
you just came to this realization now?

No, it's just been reinforced.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Borracho on December 30, 2005, 06:56:01 AM
You know, following these links and looking at all these pictures, you have to admit, bodybuilding competition is just plain gay. No wonder it's laughed at by everyone else.

If when someone posts a pic and you instantly check out the size of the persons man bulge or their face to see if they're "cute" than yeah I'd say you're pretty gay.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 06:57:38 AM
If when someone posts a pic and you instantly check out the size of the persons man bulge or their face to see if they're "cute" than yeah I'd say you're pretty gay.

Is that what you do? Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: tom joad on December 30, 2005, 06:58:30 AM
No, it's just been reinforced.

that's what Getbig is here for . . . positive reinforcement 
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 07:00:28 AM
that's what Getbig is here for . . . positive reinforcement 

It's working!
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 07:41:57 AM
exctly.

Burn in Hell Mr Norton

Ha! Taking up for your boyfriend?
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: Norton on December 30, 2005, 07:59:01 AM
yes

how sweet
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: legbreaker on November 19, 2006, 02:30:11 PM
He says he doesn't take drugs. He's never failed a drug test. He has primarily competed in drug tested shows. In non drug tested shows he has placed but it was clear to everyone that his physique was drug free (there is a distinct look when you take drugs I think we will all agree),  no one has ever claimed to have supplied him drugs.

Are you basing this solely on the fact that he makes you look like shit?

Norton, I don't want to debate you or anyone else about this because it's been discussed many times, BUT there is NOT a distinct look to a person because of drug use.  Take a look at the many olympic athletes....most take gh and have used steroids and other aids and DO NOT have a distinct look.  Do you think Rafeal Palmero has a distinct look?  How about the great numbers of baseball players that use but are 175?  yes, in abuseive doses and certain types of drugs you can have a certain look to you, but you can't make the broad statement that all that use have this look.  Not even close.  passing drug test means absolutely NOTHING.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: amoney86 on November 19, 2006, 02:32:41 PM
lol this thread is f@@@$#@ old
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: SWOLETRAIN on November 19, 2006, 02:45:30 PM
When your with a chick, theres no point to just sticking the tip in. It will just torture you. That being said, if your gonna do something, do it all or nothing. If Skip did use, he looks like shit, because the way that man trains, if he was on the pin, Skip would be a PRO. Hes a natty, prob one of the best in the game. Comparing him with Shawn is absurd. Shawn was great on another level. Even if that level required 100's perhaps 1000's of $$$ running through his veins. They are both top notch bodybuilders, just each on seperate levels.
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: JKDMan on November 19, 2006, 03:20:56 PM
I'd be willing to bet a natural Skip could bury Shawn in the gym, no matter how many needles or angels that Shawn had.
I don't believe this. Shawn in his prime used to bury many a bodybuilder who tried to train with him. Shawn trained at very fast pace, to my understanding. I don't see how Skip could possibly bury him.

Thanks to the moron for bumping ANOTHER old thread.  ::)
Title: Re: SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.
Post by: JKDMan on November 19, 2006, 03:41:45 PM
(http://www.skiplacour.com/Skip_and_Shawn_Ray_With_Video.jpg)