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I don't think the 100's of children buried under the concrete with 30 broken bones for 50 hours before they died the slowest painfullest death known to man would appreciate your '' ;D '' gesture, would you? ;)
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Yes you did. Also, you invade others under the pretext of an atomic threat/ Quite ironic in a sad way really.
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And, in doing so, saved millions of lives.
Your welcome.
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We also killed 100,000 in one day of bombing in Dresden Germany. This was back in the day when we didn't separate the Army from the citizens. Now the way we fight no one is going to give up. We could of taken apart Iraq in one month with conventional and packed up. Instead we hang out for years building back the things we blew up.
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And, in doing so, saved millions of lives.
Your welcome.
You are the poster boy for everything wrong with people nowadays. The consciousness asleep bornes monsters..
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Tojo shouldn't have gone fucking around -
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Should've dropped a few on Africa on their way over there
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And, in doing so, saved millions of lives.
Your welcome.
ya kill innocent woman and children because Japan had what it takes to penetrate US soil and kill millions, fucken brilliant EINSTEIN ::)
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You are the poster boy for everything wrong with people nowadays. The consciousness asleep bornes monsters..
Explain what I said that is incorrect? This ended a war that would have dragged on for years and cost millions more lives. And lest we forget the UNPROVOKED attack that lead to this action.
So please elaborate how ending the war is worse then letting it drag on for years.
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ya kill innocent woman and children because Japan had what it takes to penetrate US soil and kill millions, fucken brilliant EINSTEIN ::)
I'm sorry didn't they do JUST THAT? Pearl Harbor. Look it up. Wasn't millions but was here on our soil.
And when I say saved millions, I don't mean Americans.
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Should've dropped a few on Africa on their way over there
Yeah, and some bombs over Middle-east while they were at it ;D
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I'm sorry didn't they do JUST THAT? Pearl Harbor. Look it up. Wasn't millions but was here on our soil.
And when I say saved millions, I don't mean Americans.
thanks for proving my point, the numbers in pearl harbor were what? .....exactly, oh and BTW that was 4 years earlier, why do you think they did not attack in those 4 years? ah, because the US had put a defense up, nothing could come close without getting fucked up.
That decision would not stand in this day and age, it is cruel and barbaric burning innocent children alive and letting them melt to death with their eyeballs falling out or crushing them under concrete for days to die suffocating while every bone in their body is broken.
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ya kill innocent woman and children because Japan had what it takes to penetrate US soil and kill millions, fucken brilliant EINSTEIN ::)
The japanese had some of the most horrific atrocities o men women and children. Read up a little history and you will see. They raped butchered and slaughtered tens of thousands of women and children. A friend of our family has pictures he took of Jap soldiers throwing babies and toddlers into the air and ramming their rifle bayonet through their defenseless bodies. This was while the mother's and fathers had to watch, they then raped and killed the women in front of their husbands.............
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Explain what I said that is incorrect? This ended a war that would have dragged on for years and cost millions more lives. And lest we forget the UNPROVOKED attack that lead to this action.
So please elaborate how ending the war is worse then letting it drag on for years.
You don't know how long a war will go on for, no one does and the solution to ending war is certainly not to kill innocent woman and children, you kill soldiers in war and civilians get killed in the process, that is understandable but not deliberately, no never.
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The Japanese were a very prideful, warlike people during WWII. They were offered fair terms under Pottsdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration), they had time to accept before Nagasaki, they didn't.
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The japanese had some of the most horrific atrocities o men women and children. Read up a little history and you will see. They raped butchered and slaughtered tens of thousands of women and children. A friend of our family has pictures he took of Jap soldiers throwing babies and toddlers into the air and ramming their rifle bayonet through their defenseless bodies. This was while the mother's and fathers had to watch, they then raped and killed the women in front of their husbands.............
every race has done so at one point in history or another and in war if someone is behaving this way then take them down and over throw their government not kill innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with it.
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The Japanese were a very prideful, warlike people during WWII. They were offered fair terms under Pottsdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration), they had time to accept before Nagasaki, they didn't.
the whole world was war like, every race has its bloody history and millions killed in battle non stop since the beginning of humanity but you do not deliberately kill woman and children
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the whole world was war like, every race has its bloody history and millions killed in battle non stop since the beginning of humanity but you do not deliberately kill woman and children
They were offered terms. The only other option was a full scale invasion of Japan, and have your people die. Or you dilly-dally and YOUR people die. At the end of the day you chose the option that benefits you the most. I have absolutely no problem with what happened.
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every race has done so at one point in history or another and in war if someone is behaving this way then take them down and over throw their government not kill innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with it.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are wrong in this instance. The Japanese would have never surrendered. They were flying planes into our ships. Their civilian population was literally jumping off of cliffs in Okinawa to avoid being taken prisoner. Nan King (sp?) was probably a more brutal month by the Japs to the Chinese than anything the Nazis had ever done to the Jews in that time period. The fact is, even after two atomic bombs, and the incendiary bombs dropped on Tokyo, killing more than the A bombs, it took their "God Emperor" to get them to surrender. The war cabinet wanted to keep fighting until the last person was dead, as did a large portion of the population. Why oh why there is not the vilianizing of the Japs the way the Germans were is beyond me. But hey, it's war, and probably the last great one that will happen without total world destruction.
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the japanese would never ever have surrendered its said.
but the usa could have done the following:
drop the bomb on an japanese islnad that where no people live and show the footage to the japanese people.
that could have worked.i mean the thread works all the way till today.
japan citizens werent all 100% behind their leaders agreeing with everything.,thats a myth.
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They were offered terms. The only other option was a full scale invasion of Japan, and have your people die. Or you dilly-dally and YOUR people die. At the end of the day you chose the option that benefits you the most. I have absolutely no problem with what happened.
so be it, soldiers dying is better then innocent woman and children dying,that is what they signed up for, show me the paper where the child that got melted signed.
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the japanese would never ever have surrendered its said.
but the usa could have done the following:
drop the bomb on an japanese islnad that where no people live and show the footage to the japanese people.
that could have worked.i mean the thread works all the way till today.
japan citizens werent all 100% behind their leaders agreeing with everything.,thats a myth.
excellent idea,only a fool would not stop after seeing an entire vacated island goup in flames. that probably would have worked
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this would have worked too
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You don't know how long a war will go on for, no one does and the solution to ending war is certainly not to kill innocent woman and children, you kill soldiers in war and civilians get killed in the process, that is understandable but not deliberately, no never.
I'm sorry OTH your wrong. This is EXACTLY how wars used to be won. Who kills the most people wins. What war is now with media and lawyers is a show... A bastardization.
My point stands. We SAVED millions of lives.
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While I agree with your sentiment, you are wrong in this instance. The Japanese would have never surrendered. They were flying planes into our ships. Their civilian population was literally jumping off of cliffs in Okinawa to avoid being taken prisoner. Nan King (sp?) was probably a more brutal month by the Japs to the Chinese than anything the Nazis had ever done to the Jews in that time period. The fact is, even after two atomic bombs, and the incendiary bombs dropped on Tokyo, killing more than the A bombs, it took their "God Emperor" to get them to surrender. The war cabinet wanted to keep fighting until the last person was dead, as did a large portion of the population. Why oh why there is not the vilianizing of the Japs the way the Germans were is beyond me. But hey, it's war, and probably the last great one that will happen without total world destruction.
Japan was not targeting civilians, they were targeting a military compound where they figured everyone was military personnel.
Also dictators as you described above get over thrown by their own people. It is extremely convenient now to claim predictions of how much worse the out come would have been but the truth is the Japanese military where nothing, come on, one measly offensive attack(pearl harbor) in 4 years and they were this so called deadly threat that would have cost millions of live, Ya right.
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Effective war is genocide - WW1 and WW2 weakened the US and Europe way more than what met the eye.
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I'm sorry OTH your wrong. This is EXACTLY how wars used to be won. Who kills the most people wins. What war is now with media and lawyers is a show... A bastardization.
My point stands. We SAVED millions of lives.
your point is shit and holds no credibility, in 4 years they managed one attack, pearl harbor,and you some how translate this to a threat of millions, you are the one buying into the propaganda that millions would have died.
, I on the other hand have studied my history and have memorized the entire Sun Tzu, i know that wars are fought with numbers but the primary attack is on soldiers and civilians fall on the way side not a head force attack on the civilian population by the 100's of thousand, that is not war at all.
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thanks for proving my point, the numbers in pearl harbor were what? .....exactly, oh and BTW that was 4 years earlier, why do you think they did not attack in those 4 years? ah, because the US had put a defense up, nothing could come close without getting fucked up.
That decision would not stand in this day and age, it is cruel and barbaric burning innocent children alive and letting them melt to death with their eyeballs falling out or crushing them under concrete for days to die suffocating while every bone in their body is broken.
War is hell.
I'm sure the innocent people that drowned to death on the USS Arizona didn't enjoy it.
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War is hell.
I'm sure the innocent people that drowned to death on the USS Arizona didn't enjoy it.
Groink if your are on a military vessel expect an attack and you have signed up for military consequences, you compare that to a husband, a wife, and 2 innocent children walking their dog in the park getting sizzled to death by fire ???
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Japan was not targeting civilians, they were targeting a military compound where they figured everyone was military personnel.
Also dictators as you described above get over thrown by their own people. It is extremely convenient now to claim predictions of how much worse the out come would have been but the truth is the Japanese military where nothing, come on, one measly offensive attack(pearl harbor) in 4 years and they were this so called deadly threat that would have cost millions of live, Ya right.
While I'm not a WWII historian, I have researched a fair amount on it, and to say that Japan was not a formidable foe is just silly. They had rule over the entire Southeast Pacific, and won may naval battles, as well as chased the French out of Indo China, and the British out of Burma. These dudes were bad ass, and the only way to stop them was total annihilation. Seriously, I realize that the killing of civilians was bad, but a full scale invasion of the home islands would have still cost civilian lives as well as military personnel. A life is a life, and I know that soldiers sign up for this stuff, but a half a million soldiers versus a few hundred thousand Japs (military and civilians) is simple math to me.
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this would have worked too
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exact drone strike coordinates?
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your point is shit and holds no credibility, in 4 years they managed one attack, pearl harbor,and you some how translate this to a threat of millions, you are the one buying into the propaganda that millions would have died.
, I on the other hand have studied my history and have memorized the entire Sun Tzu, i know that wars are fought with numbers but the primary attack is on soldiers and civilians fall on the way side not a head force attack on the civilian population by the 100's of thousand, that is not war at all.
Ill side with the historians on this one over anti-American propaganda, the Art of War, and random interwebs postings. Sorry.
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Yes we do not fuck around
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While I'm not a WWII historian, I have researched a fair amount on it, and to say that Japan was not a formidable foe is just silly. They had rule over the entire Southeast Pacific, and won may naval battles, as well as chased the French out of Indo China, and the British out of Burma. These dudes were bad ass, and the only way to stop them was total annihilation. Seriously, I realize that the killing of civilians was bad, but a full scale invasion of the home islands would have still cost civilian lives as well as military personnel. A life is a life, and I know that soldiers sign up for this stuff, but a half a million soldiers versus a few hundred thousand Japs (military and civilians) is simple math to me.
OK first I take that back, they were indeed formidable.
Now as for your simple math, maybe it is not so simple, I really do not think this is over and I mean if real Nuclear power catches up to the rest of the world which is inevitable, The US will be the first to get stomped on.
Remember Osama's excuse for attacking the US (whether it was him or not is irrelevant) he said the US started it when they bombed Hiroshima
You study history you know feuds can last for centuries, it is not uncommon. This was a big mistake made and the consequences are yet to be seen, but never mined that, the immoral despicability ( is that even a word, lol ???) of the acts is as high as the sky.
you want to take pride in killing innocent children then so be it, but make no mistake you are in fact taking pride in this act of cruelty by agreeing with it.
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I contend if we dropped a low grade nuclear weapon on Saudi Arabia after 911, we'd have avoided 5-6?? conflicts since. But we didn't because it's not as profitable to end wars so quickly, and the media would have tried to undermine it.
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Yes we do not fuck around
no argument there
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I contend if we dropped a low grade nuclear weapon on Saudi Arabia after 911, we'd have avoided 5-6?? conflicts since. But we didn't because it's not as profitable to end wars so quickly, and the media would have tried to undermine it.
You are an idiot, if we dropped a nuc anywhere we would be at war with entire world, PUBLIC OPINION WOULD HANG US and we would be on trial
wooooooooooooooosh.
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You are an idiot, if we dropped a nuc anywhere we would be at war with entire world, PUBLIC OPINION WOULD HANG US and we would be on trial
wooooooooooooooosh.
Not right after 911. Everyone was with us. The initial backlash would have been bad, but today this nonsense would all be over. Instead we have what 5 active conflicts still going on? I'm sorry but again it would have saved lives.. A lot of lives.
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Not right after 911. Everyone was with us. The initial backlash would have been bad, but today this nonsense would all be over. Instead we have what 5 active conflicts still going on? I'm sorry but again it would have saved lives.. A lot of lives.
Of course they would fucken hang us, are you fucken retarded, you can not drop a nuke now,it would be suicide to whoever drops a nuke and yes even on the day after 911, wow I am talking to a teenager or something
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And, in doing so, saved millions of lives.
Your welcome.
seriously ?
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Of course they would fucken hang us, are you fucken retarded, you can not drop a nuke now,it would be suicide to whoever drops a nuke and yes even on the day after 911, wow I am talking to a teenager or something
I disagree and am refraining from name calling etc. because you are clearly passionate about issue... Wrong, but passionate.
Today, I agree we would get roasted for doing it, because a lot has changed since 911. Specifically the anti-American American media. 15/19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia... The day after dropping a small nuke that takes out about 10k people and destroys Mecca... And you have no such thing as the war on terror, death cultists, the rise of the left in the US, etc.
So 10k in one strike is not better then what... 500k since? Please think logic instead of emotion. And stop calling names OTH. It is unbecoming of you.
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seriously ?
Damn it!!!
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And because of that, now even that north Korean inbreeded insane blimp has nuclear missiles. Thank you very fucking much. I will rather give nuclear weapons to the apes than Americans, if some one has to be in charge of them..
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I disagree and am refraining from name calling etc. because you are clearly passionate about issue... Wrong, but passionate.
Today, I agree we would get roasted for doing it, because a lot has changed since 911. Specifically the anti-American American media. 15/19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia... The day after dropping a small nuke that takes out about 10k people and destroys Mecca... And you have no such thing as the war on terror, death cultists, the rise of the left in the US, etc.
So 10k in one strike is not better then what... 500k since? Please think logic instead of emotion. And stop calling names OTH. It is unbecoming of you.
ok fair enough no name calling and I am sorry,
but really anybody on this planet even a grade 5 knows you would have to go to war with entire world if you dropped a nuke on innocent people in todays era, this is not even debatable. Come on bro.
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"Think about it, we, the usa, used an atomic bomb!"
YES! But we did it in the name of almighty gawd and cuntry.
so that made it ok.
our military is nothing but a bunch of murderous thugs.
I'm not proud to have been part of it and do not support them
or their commander in chief.
Code 4 Never Again. FTN
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ok fair enough no name calling and I am sorry,
but really anybody on this planet even a grade 5 knows you would have to go to war with entire world if you dropped a nuke on innocent people in todays era, this is not even debatable. Come on bro.
I couldn't agree more... Today's world yes.
At the time of 911 we were not hated the way we are now. We had a small window to do it and avoid so much loss of life. And we blew it.
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the japanese would never ever have surrendered its said.
but the usa could have done the following:
drop the bomb on an japanese islnad that where no people live and show the footage to the japanese people.
that could have worked.i mean the thread works all the way till today.
japan citizens werent all 100% behind their leaders agreeing with everything.,thats a myth.
They would not surrender after what's considered the worst "firebombing" in history of Tokyo. They had three days to issues a surrender after Hiroshima and would not.
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People seem to forget the scale of the War too. The US lost 420,000 people. England lost a bit more than that, Australia 40,000, Russia tens of millions, etc.... many being civilian draftees. The US was at War for 6 years, the others longer. Everyone was War weary.
If we were to institute Operation Downfall, the thought was 2 - 4 million injured, with 400,000 - 800,000 being fatalities just on the US side, with 25,000 - 30,000 of them in the first month.
The Japanese fatality rate would be estimated at near 10 times that.
It made sense to drop the bomb. They had ample warning with Pottsdam, they had a chance after Hiroshima. They have no one to blame but themselves.
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I always think about someone dropping a nuclear bomb on my house and killing every single person I know, before I go out and start a fight for no reason. Cuts down on the amount of fights I start for no reason.
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I couldn't agree more... Today's world yes.
At the time of 911 we were not hated the way we are now. We had a small window to do it and avoid so much loss of life. And we blew it.
since the 70's, nuking anyone would result in the entire World turning on you, plain and simple, there is no windows of opportunity, nuking anyone would spark a shit storm of global proportions. The only window that allowed a nuking was in 1945 when it was in fact done, by the late 60's forget it.
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People seem to forget the scale of the War too. The US lost 420,000 people. England lost a bit more than that, Australia 40,000, Russia tens of millions, etc.... many being civilian draftees. The US was at War for 6 years, the others longer. Everyone was War weary.
If we were to institute Operation Downfall, the thought was 2 - 4 million injured, with 400,000 - 800,000 being fatalities just on the US side, with 25,000 - 30,000 of them in the first month.
The Japanese fatality rate would be estimated at near 10 times that.
It made sense to drop the bomb. They had ample warning with Pottsdam, they had a chance after Hiroshima. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Exactly. When I say millions of lives... I mean MILLIONS. My father was anti tank division in WW2. Groink is right war is hell... Less hell is > more hell.
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People seem to forget the scale of the War too. The US lost 420,000 people. England lost a bit more than that, Australia 40,000, Russia tens of millions, etc.... many being civilian draftees. The US was at War for 6 years, the others longer. Everyone was War weary.
If we were to institute Operation Downfall, the thought was 2 - 4 million injured, with 400,000 - 800,000 being fatalities just on the US side, with 25,000 - 30,000 of them in the first month.
The Japanese fatality rate would be estimated at near 10 times that.
It made sense to drop the bomb. They had ample warning with Pottsdam, they had a chance after Hiroshima. They have no one to blame but themselves.
What percentage of American's were civilians and how many civilians? compare that to how many civilians died in the 2 nukes. Innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with the war.
This is not WAR it is mass murder.
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ya kill innocent woman and children because Japan had what it takes to penetrate US soil and kill millions, fucken brilliant EINSTEIN ::)
weve been over this bro.... millions of lives were saved from us not having to invade the japanese mainland... the japs were using women and childreb as suicide bombers when we hit okinawa, their culture was to sacrifice ones life in defense of the homeland..... there was a million US troops being prepped to invade the country had they not surrendered, plus all the innocents they would have thrown at us once we invaded.
Youre smarter than this bro...... we saved far more than we killed, on both sides
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Exactly. When I say millions of lives... I mean MILLIONS. My father was anti tank division in WW2. Groink is right war is hell... Less hell is > more hell.
It is not justice to kill innocent woman and children, war is hell but you are killing soldiers who have accepted death and have even signed a document.
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What percentage of American's were civilians and how many civilians? compare that to how many civilians died in the 2 nukes. Innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with the war.
This is not WAR it is mass murder.
I didn't mean save millions of American lives OTH. I meant lives period. At that time we had a draft, so I contend all of the deaths were civilian deaths.
That's why I say war today is convoluted. It's not the same with volunteers, media access, and lawyers.
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What percentage of American's were civilians and how many civilians? compare that to how many civilians died in the 2 nukes. Innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with the war.
This is not WAR it is mass murder.
OTH why don't you focus on civilians killed by the Nazis or the Japanese? Why just this matter which has been explained giving Japan numerous times to surrender. The Nanking Massacre is just one example and I can site endless examples of WW2 atrocities.
The war needed to end and Japan had to be forced to surrender because Tokyo being leveled was not enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
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weve been over this bro.... millions of lives were saved from us not having to invade the japanese mainland... the japs were using women and childreb as suicide bombers when we hit okinawa, their culture was to sacrifice ones life in defense of the homeland..... there was a million US troops being prepped to invade the country had they not surrendered, plus all the innocents they would have thrown at us once we invaded.
Youre smarter than this bro...... we saved far more than we killed, on both sides
Numbers is the logic of a soldiers, I get that, i am not stupid, which is why soldiers do not dictate policy, governments do, which means it is not civilized to compare numbers from soldiers to innocent civilians. It is a radical approach.
It may work in preventing something but terrorism works as well, this is murder of people who had no involvement in the situation,was it there fault they were born in Japan, so they have to be killed ruthlessly by fire
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OTH why don't you focus on civilians killed by the Nazis or the Japanese? Why just this matter which has been explained giving Japan numerous times to surrender. The Nanking Massacre is just one example and I can site endless examples of WW2 atrocities.
The war needed to end and Japan had to be forced to surrender because Tokyo being leveled was not enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
We can discuss those atrocities if you want to, i am not limited to disagreeing with only this particular situation.
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Numbers is the logic of a soldiers, I get that, i am not stupid, which is why soldiers do not dictate policy, governments do, which means it is not civilized to compare numbers from soldiers to innocent civilians. It is a radical approach.
It may work in preventing something but terrorism works as well, this is murder of people who had no involvement in the situation,was it there fault they were born in Japan, so they have to be killed ruthlessly by fire
bro. Youre not looking at the amount of JAPANESE that were saved. They literally had their women and children blowing themselves up to protect Okinawa, as they considered it a part of the homeland. They literally believed that every japanese man, woman, and child were obligated to fight to the death to protect the homeland. The invasion woukd have been a bloodbath of women and children killed.
The bombs were the far lesser of two evils.
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bro. Youre not looking at the amount of JAPANESE that were saved. They literally had their women and children blowing themselves up to protect Okinawa, as they considered it a part of the homeland. They literally believed that every japanese man, woman, and child were obligated to fight to the death to protect the homeland. The invasion woukd have been a bloodbath of women and children killed.
The bombs were the far lesser of two evils.
The survivors of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki do not tell that story bro, they claimed they had nothing to do with the situation and every country has civilians jumping on you when you invade, this is perfectly normal and regular circumstance in any situation
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You bastards , I could have been shingling all morning, lmao ;D
No no, I respect everyone's point of view here, great points by everyone,will be back later, have to finish up a house here, great thread.
cheers 8)
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What percentage of American's were civilians and how many civilians? compare that to how many civilians died in the 2 nukes. Innocent woman and children who had nothing to do with the war.
This is not WAR it is mass murder.
A decent percentage of draftees were closer to civilians than career Military men. Also the Japanese have no right to complain about civilian deaths. Just during WWII, they were estimated at 12 million plus on the low end. They also had spectacular mortality rates among the POWs under their care.
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A decent percentage of draftees were closer to civilians than career Military men. Also the Japanese have no right to complain about civilian deaths. Just during WWII, they were estimated at 12 million plus on the low end. They also had spectacular mortality rates among the POWs under their care.
no way, that is no where near accurate but I will resume the argument later.
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I didn't mean save millions of American lives OTH. I meant lives period. At that time we had a draft, so I contend all of the deaths were civilian deaths.
That's why I say war today is convoluted. It's not the same with volunteers, media access, and lawyers.
I said this already. Draft = civilian deaths.
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The survivors of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki do not tell that story bro, they claimed they had nothing to do with the situation and every country has civilians jumping on you when you invade, this is perfectly normal and regular circumstance in any situation
of course they dont. Lol. Thats like asking a guy that picked a fight and got bis ass kicked what happened. Those same people, 90% would have become combatants and died anyway. Not only that, but as a leader, you HAVE to put the lives of your own above the lives of the enemy. Period, end of sentence.
far more lives were saved (at least 10x) ,on both sides, as the bombs killed. Its so far offset that its really not even debatable. The only people that think it was a tragedy were the japanese because they got their ass kicked and its a sore spot in their memory.
Not to mention howbhorrible the japanese were to non japanese. Tjey were absolutley terrible and regularly executed anyone who wasnt japanese for no reason.
They fought a very dirty war and it came back to bite them in the ass.
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will never understand how so many people still attempt to justify the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, nothing can be said to justify that.. even today american morons still claim the recent japanese earthquakes etc are 'payback' for pearl harbor.. insane when you realise people still think like this
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of course they dont. Lol. Thats like asking a guy that picked a fight and got bis ass kicked what happened. Those same people, 90% would have become combatants and died anyway. Not only that, but as a leader, you HAVE to put the lives of your own above the lives of the enemy. Period, end of sentence.
far more lives were saved (at least 10x) ,on both sides, as the bombs killed. Its so far offset that its really not even debatable. The only people that think it was a tragedy were the japanese because they got their ass kicked and its a sore spot in their memory.
Not to mention howbhorrible the japanese were to non japanese. Tjey were absolutley terrible and regularly executed anyone who wasnt japanese for no reason.
They fought a very dirty war and it came back to bite them in the ass.
That is the point, only Americans feel it was right and brits too, the rest of the world does not, in fact to eradicate innocent civilians, woman and children and utterly slaughter them is mass murder.
So believe the culprit or everyone else, obviously your cause and argument right now comes with an agenda and that is you are a proud American or a Brit right?
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no way, that is no where near accurate but I will resume the argument later.
It adds a tiny bit of the 1930's in there, but -
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM .
That is one of the lower estimates.
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It is not justice to kill innocent woman and children, war is hell but you are killing soldiers who have accepted death and have even signed a document.
I really like you dude, but I can't disagree more with this line of reasoning. Had the nukes not been used and the Allies invaded Japan itself, think about the civilian fatalities that would've resulted. The losses in Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have paled in comparison.
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A high estimate - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers-johnson/the-looting-of-asia .
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will never understand how so many people still attempt to justify the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, nothing can be said to justify that.. even today american morons still claim the recent japanese earthquakes etc are 'payback' for pearl harbor.. insane when you realise people still think like this
it's insane how anyone can look at a child of 2 years old or even a hundred of them and 100's of 5 year olds and hold them responsible for their governments action and draw the sword unto them, better yet torture them alive by melting them and crushing their bones to death and leaving them for 50+ hours in agony, innocent children and to do it deliberately knowing how much horror will befall these children before they take their last breath. Yes yes nothing demonic about doing any of this to innocent little boys and girls. ::)
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That is the point, only Americans feel it was right and brits too, the rest of the world does not, in fact to eradicate innocent civilians, woman and children and utterly slaughter them is mass murder.
So believe the culprit or everyone else, obviously your cause and argument right now comes with an agenda and that is you are a proud American or a Brit right?
The point was not to eradicate civilians and as an American veteran I don't condone that. I keep siting the rational for the bombings which you continue to ignore. So I will leave the discussion to an armchair quarterback looking to bash the American military. What we did in WW2 was by no means perfect but the label you are trying to attach to this action is just plain wrong.
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I really like you dude, but I can't disagree more with this line of reasoning. Had the nukes not been used and the Allies invaded Japan itself, think about the civilian fatalities that would've resulted. The losses in Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have paled in comparison.
propaganda,
and even if this is so, at least melting children alive and crushing their bones would not have been a deliberate act of torture
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The point was not to eradicate civilians and as an American veteran I don't condone that. I keep siting the rational for the bombings which you continue to ignore. So I will leave the discussion to an armchair quarterback looking to bash the American military. What we did in WW2 was by no means perfect but the label you are trying to attach to this action is just plain wrong.
I'm thinking of starting "Team Common Sense."
Walter and Shockwave may be 2 charter members if I proceed. Lol.
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The point was not to eradicate civilians and as an American veteran I don't condone that. I keep siting the rational for the bombings which you continue to ignore. So I will leave the discussion to an armchair quarterback looking to bash the American military. What we did in WW2 was by no means perfect but the label you are trying to attach to this action is just plain wrong.
That is your opinion but I am keeping it real, not beating around the bush at all.
Children were killed, they were tortured, they were burnt alive, the were smashed and bones crushed under heavy concrete, they were in enormous amounts of agony and these are children and this was done deliberately and knowingly.
So who is holding a fake position, you or me, it is not me.
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Pearl Harbour death toll: 2,386 (48 - 68 were civilians, most killed by unexploded American anti-aircraft shells landing in civilian areas)
Nagasaki+Hiroshima death toll: 150,000–246,000+ (most of which were civilians)
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I'm thinking of starting "Team Common Sense."
Walter and Shockwave may be 2 charter members if I proceed. Lol.
ya common sense, lets grab some children set them on fire and watch them melt or let's grab some children and crush and break every bone in their bodies and poke their eyes out and do it to thousands of children and do it deliberately and celebrate, yes go team logic, lmfao. team common sense, hahahahha
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ya common sense, lets grab some children set them on fire and watch them melt or let's grab some children and crush and break every bone in their bodies and poke their eyes out and do it to thousands of children and do it deliberately and celebrate, yes go team logic, lmfao. team logic, hahahahha
OTH, I never took you as a cookaloo liberal who ignores facts and only thinks with their heart, not their heads, but it is quickly becoming apparent, the truth is meaningless to you. It is all emotion only.
At least with this topic. How even MORE dead is better just because of the method of them dying is boggling to me.
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Pearl Harbour death toll: 2,386 (48 - 68 were civilians, most killed by unexploded American anti-aircraft shells landing in civilian areas)
Nagasaki+Hiroshima death toll: 150,000–246,000+ (most of which were civilians)
yup and half of them died slowly and painfully
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yup and half of them died slowly and painfully
The US alone lost around 400,000? Civilians in ww2 Sherlock. Not counting other countries. Pearl Harbor was not ww2.
Damn quoted wrong quote sorry OTH.
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OTH, I never took you as a cookaloo liberal who ignores facts and only thinks with their heart, not their heads, but it is quickly becoming apparent, the truth is meaningless to you. It is all emotion only.
At least with this topic. How even MORE dead is better just because of the method of them dying is boggling to me.
back to you too bro, never thought you were the type that enjoyed watching children get burnt alive and justify it.
So I may not think like you but I guarantee, every government on the planet doesn't either, this is barbaric thinking, stone age, not part of the civilized world anymore, you guy are living in the stone age mentality over arrogance and pride of your country.
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The US alone lost around 400,000? Civilians in ww2 Sherlock. Not counting other countries. Pearl Harbor was not ww2.
Damn quoted wrong quote sorry OTH.
400 000 civilians, the US? like fuck they did
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back to you too bro, never thought you were the type that enjoyed watching children get burnt alive and justify it.
So I may not think like you but I guarantee, every government on the planet doesn't either, this is barbaric thinking, stone age, not part of the civilized world anymore, you guy are living in the stone age mentality over arrogance and pride of your country.
War is barbaric. It's not my thinking... I just agree with the logic if less deaths. How people die is irrelevant... They are dead.
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400 000 civilians, the US? like fuck they did
Draft. Not volunteer military. Yes 400k civilians.
I've said this several times already, hence why I said your ignoring the saving lives part.
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Draft. Not volunteer military. Yes 400k civilians.
I've said this several times already, hence why I said your ignoring the saving lives part.
enlighten me sir, no body attacked on US soil so I take it these are 400 000 people who just decided to take a vacation to the parts of the world where wars are being fought. You didn't think this through very well, did you? 400 000 american civilians, lmao.
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ya common sense, lets grab some children set them on fire and watch them melt or let's grab some children and crush and break every bone in their bodies and poke their eyes out and do it to thousands of children and do it deliberately and celebrate, yes go team logic, lmfao. team common sense, hahahahha
your argument literally centers around the fact that children were killed, but you continue to ignore thr fact that the japanese used their own kids as suicide bombers on okinawa and would have continued to do so.
your naiive ideas that not dropping the bombs would have somehow meant that less innocents died is wishful thinking at its worst.
im sorry, children died. Its war. Far more would have died had we invaded but thats ok with you because "wonrtsomebody think of the children!!!! Everyone se be damned!!!"
I really like you dude but youre arguing like a woman on her period. Chikdren were going to die either way. Many less died due to the bombs. You can try to rewrite history all you want but those bombs saved lives.
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Draft. Not volunteer military. Yes 400k civilians.
I've said this several times already, hence why I said your ignoring the saving lives part.
in japan's case, the civilians that were killed were infants, babies, women, elderly etc..
in the usa's case, the 'civilians' killed were young men, armed with rifles/weapons, wearing helmets, and shooting back at their enemies
not comparable..
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your argument literally centers around the fact that children were killed, but you continue to ignore thr fact that the japanese used their own kids as suicide bombers on okinawa and would have continued to do so.
your naiive ideas that not dropping the bombs would have somehow meant that less innocents died is wishful thinking at its worst.
im sorry, children died. Its war. Far more would have died had we invaded but thats ok with you because "wonrtsomebody think of the children!!!! Everyone se be damned!!!"
I really like you dude but youre arguing like a woman on her period. Chikdren were going to die either way. Many less died due to the bombs. You can try to rewrite history all you want but those bombs saved lives.
your the one taking things personal, I can argue with you for days and days and even cal you an idiot then pay for your air fair, let you stay at my house, get you drunk every day, buy you few hookers, go to the gym like we were best friends, these are perspectives and opinions, nothing more ;)
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in japan's case, the civilians that were killed were infants, babies, women, elderly etc..
Millions of dead Chinese civilians morn their loss....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Chinese_killed_by_Japanese_Army_in_a_ditch%2C_Hsuchow.jpg).
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besides I already won this argument before I started as my view is the worlds view, the Geneva conventions view, the united nations view and the entire political view world wide globally, that say enough. :P
;) ;)
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Millions of dead Chinese civilians morn their loss....
try to stay on topic pal, we're discussing the usa's use of two atomic bombs
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your the one taking things personal, I can argue with you for days and days and even cal you an idiot then pay for your air fair, let you stay at my house, get you drunk every day, buy you few hookers, go to the gym like we were best friends, these are perspectives and opinions, nothing more ;)
im not taking it personally, I still love you (all homo), its just that youre literally arguing on idealism and emotion and discarding all logic.
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im not taking it personally, I still love you (all homo), its just that youre literally arguing on idealism and emotion and discarding all logic.
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well my logic is this, the US government of today would not do it, nor would they condone it, there must be a reason for this right?
I think I am being just as logic though, you think it is emotional, but no it is logical, did it work to stop the war? yes it worked but an act of terrorism has also worked to get ahead in war time before with other countries, just think if it was another country what America would be saying.
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well my logic is this, the US government of today would not do it, nor would they condone it, there must be a reason for this right?
I think I am being just as logic though, you think it is emotional, but no it is logical, did it work to stop the war? yes it worked but an act of terrorism has also worked to get ahead in war time before with other countries, just think if it was another country what America would be saying.
we wouldnt do it today because our bombs today would level half a country and incite the entire world to fire their nuclear weapons. Its impossible to compare.
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your the one taking things personal, I can argue with you for days and days and even cal you an idiot then pay for your air fair, let you stay at my house, get you drunk every day, buy you few hookers, go to the gym like we were best friends, these are perspectives and opinions, nothing more ;)
Nothing like a good debate. This is well said, but I still can't admit you to Team Common Sense. ;)
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we wouldnt do it today because our bombs today would level half a country and incite the entire world to fire their nuclear weapons. Its impossible to compare.
I think you are deluding yourself and I think the real reason they would not do it today is because the world is more civilized and this an uncivilized barbaric act that belongs in the past.
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Nothing like a good debate. This is well said, but I still can't admit you to Team Common Sense. ;)
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You mean ''team its ok to set innocent children on fire'' ;D ;D ;D
no thanks, I will pass.
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It's the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction that keep order as far as that goes. Now even the most podunk country is ok, as long as it's got a nuke.
I have no doubt that if we didn't have to worry about other people's nukes, and we got into a War that size today that we'd go to the nukes. We'd probably even do it quicker today, based on how soft we've gotten about face to face death as as country.
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It's the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction that keep order as far as that goes. Now even the most podunk country is ok, as long as it's got a nuke.
I have no doubt that if we didn't have to worry about other people's nukes, and we got into a War that size today that we'd go to the nukes. We'd probably even do it quicker today, based on how soft we've gotten about face to face death as as country.
no you are wrong there, politics are on an entirely different level today, we would not use nuks
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ya common sense, lets grab some children set them on fire and watch them melt or let's grab some children and crush and break every bone in their bodies and poke their eyes out and do it to thousands of children and do it deliberately and celebrate, yes go team logic, lmfao. team common sense, hahahahha
Did you just watch a documentary on this or something? Why are you so fired up about it? Fact is, we were at war, and war is not very civilized. Read my, as well as Nick, Shockwave and a few others responses in this thread. They would have never surrendered. Dropping a bomb on an uncharted island to show them the power of the bomb, thus forcing them to surrender? Yeah, a lot of good that did between us and Stalin, he saw it first hand. Imperial Japan was a force to be reckoned with, and their nationalistic beliefs would not let them surrender without something like what we did happening first. History not only suggests it, but proves it.
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I actually get what you're sayin LOL........I can't believe we actually did that.....it astounds me.
What's even more amazing is that after we did it once we did it AGAIN!!
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I actually get what you're sayin LOL........I can't believe we actually did that.....it astounds me.
What's even more amazing is that after we did it once we did it AGAIN!!
They didn't surrender after one lol. That's why this argument is astounding to me. It LITERALLY saved millions of lives... Not just Americans. It saved THEM too lol.
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They didn't surrender after one lol. That's why this argument is astounding to me. It LITERALLY saved millions of lives... Not just Americans. It saved THEM too lol.
it was the right decision, tactically, militarily, and humanely.
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So Team Common Sense so far:
Me, Shockwave, Walter, and Ironpig. :D
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The american gov supporters: "it is ok to kill people to stop killing people" .. they threatened our freedom bla bla .. you cannot be THIS gullible
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I love my country and am proud of being American but that shames me even today.
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Should've dropped a few on Africa on their way over there
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I admit I laughed at it too. ;D
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will never understand how so many people still attempt to justify the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, nothing can be said to justify that.. even today american morons still claim the recent japanese earthquakes etc are 'payback' for pearl harbor.. insane when you realise people still think like this
why justify anything?
USA was attacked
and boy we responded baby!!!!
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OTH, I never took you as a cookaloo liberal who ignores facts and only thinks with their heart, not their heads, but it is quickly becoming apparent, the truth is meaningless to you. It is all emotion only.
At least with this topic. How even MORE dead is better just because of the method of them dying is boggling to me.
thick nick is right
ontimehardintheass is wrong
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If you fuck with a Bull, you get the horns.
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why justify anything?
USA was attacked
and boy we responded baby!!!!
and all america's military might still couldn't defeat the small, impoverished, sandal wearing farmers of vietnam
USA USA USA! ::)
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why justify anything?
USA was attacked
and boy we responded baby!!!!
And we got some great cartoons out of it too -
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and all america's military might still couldn't defeat the small, impoverished, sandal wearing farmers of vietnam
USA USA USA! ::)
oh shut up you moron commy
usa never lost a war
viet nam we fought and got bored and left
to lose a war you must lose controllable land
usa never has
never will
chinese next in line to get nuked btw
be fun to nuke israel as well
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So Team Common Sense so far:
Me, Shockwave, Walter, and Ironpig. :D
Irongrip, but I'll accept your invitation. ;D
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Did you just watch a documentary on this or something? Why are you so fired up about it? Fact is, we were at war, and war is not very civilized. Read my, as well as Nick, Shockwave and a few others responses in this thread. They would have never surrendered. Dropping a bomb on an uncharted island to show them the power of the bomb, thus forcing them to surrender? Yeah, a lot of good that did between us and Stalin, he saw it first hand. Imperial Japan was a force to be reckoned with, and their nationalistic beliefs would not let them surrender without something like what we did happening first. History not only suggests it, but proves it.
don't be ignorant this topic has been brought since the beginning of getbig and every time I hold the same position, every time you guys say the same shit, try something knew brother.
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Irongrip, but I'll accept your invitation. ;D
Doh!!! Damn auto correct on I phone lol.
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oh shut up you moron commy
usa never lost a war
viet nam we fought and got bored and left
to lose a war you must lose controllable land
usa never has
never will
chinese next in line to get nuked btw
be fun to nuke israel as well
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shut up you whiner, you guys got fucke up, lmao hahahhahah :P
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They didn't surrender after one lol. That's why this argument is astounding to me. It LITERALLY saved millions of lives... Not just Americans. It saved THEM too lol.
Thick Nick
merican
"dropping two nukes on japs not only saved us, it saved them too"
nuking millions into oblivion saved them ( for them stuped iuropians who ain't able to follow simple logic"
FOOOKIN AAAA MAAAAN.. MERICAAAAAAAA!!!
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Thick Nick
merican
"dropping two nukes on japs not only saved us, it saved them too"
nuking millions into oblivion saved them ( for them stuped iuropians who ain't able to follow simple logic"
FOOOKIN AAAA MAAAAN.. MERICAAAAAAAA!!!
Damn I look good there. Thanks Sev.
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Damn I look good there. Thanks Sev.
is that you? I thought you got your competitors stars?
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is that you? I thought you got your competitors stars?
Didn't get them yet from Ron. Yes that's me. Sev has copied me to his computer.
So sad on both accounts.
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Didn't get them yet from Ron. Yes that's me. Sev has copied me to his computer.
So sad on both accounts.
descent build there bro, age, height and weigh?
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descent build there bro, age, height and weigh?
There? Early 20's... Think I was 182 for that show... Somewhere around that. And I'm 5'6.
Now? My avatar picture is only a couple years old and there is a solid 15 + years in between.
And thanks.
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Did you just watch a documentary on this or something? Why are you so fired up about it? Fact is, we were at war, and war is not very civilized. Read my, as well as Nick, Shockwave and a few others responses in this thread. They would have never surrendered. Dropping a bomb on an uncharted island to show them the power of the bomb, thus forcing them to surrender? Yeah, a lot of good that did between us and Stalin, he saw it first hand. Imperial Japan was a force to be reckoned with, and their nationalistic beliefs would not let them surrender without something like what we did happening first. History not only suggests it, but proves it.
Japs kill more Chinese, than Hitler Jews.
Joseph Mengele & his experiments were nothing in comparison with Japs one in China.
Nobody talks about 10000's of prisoners & what Japs did to them.
Why not talking about 'dead marches' in Philippines ?????????, no Hollywood films about it ???.
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There? Early 20's... Think I was 182 for that show... Somewhere around that. And I'm 5'6.
Now? My avatar picture is only a couple years old and there is a solid 15 + years in between.
And thanks.
nice, good job bro 8)
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Japs kill more Chinese, than Hitler Jews.
Joseph Mengele & his experiments were nothing in comparison with Japs one in China.
Nobody talks about 10000's of prisoners & what Japs did to them.
Why not talking about 'dead marches' in Philippines ?????????, no Hollywood films about it ???.
Or the cruel fucken scientific experiments that they made with human, remember that movie made about it, forget what it was called but still gives me the chills even thinking about.
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shut up you whiner, you guys got fucke up, lmao hahahhahah :P
Vietnam was a cluster fuck and we should have NEVER been there but we never lost a major battle in that conflict , 58 thousand plus Americans KIA compared to up to 1.1 NVA
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Japs kill more Chinese, than Hitler Jews.
Joseph Mengele & his experiments were nothing in comparison with Japs one in China.
Nobody talks about 10000's of prisoners & what Japs did to them.
Why not talking about 'dead marches' in Philippines ?????????, no Hollywood films about it ???.
Rape of Nanking :-X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
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Vietnam was a cluster fuck and we should have NEVER been there but we never lost a major battle in that conflict , 58 thousand plus Americans KIA compared to up to 1.1 NVA
i was kidding ;)
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Or the cruel fucken scientific experiments that they made with human, remember that movie made about it, forget what it was called but still gives me the chills even thinking about.
Unit 731 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 .
Film was the same name.
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Unit 731 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 .
Film was the same name.
ya I think it was man behind the sun, fucken crazy shit.
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1 atomic bomb dropped on the Tora Bora cave complex on Sept 12, 2001 and no ground invasion trying to "win the hearts and minds" and a a whole lot more Americans, Afghans, and probably Iraqis would be alive today to say nothing of the money, and environmental costs of making bullets, gas, MRE, bombs, etc and everything else that we have gone through. And it would be unlikely anyone would attack the U.S. in the near future for fear of the bomb and thus no need for the NSA and TSA saving more money and preserving freedom. People need to have a realistic understanding of deterrence and costs of using the military before judging based upon ignorance.
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the whole world was war like, every race has its bloody history and millions killed in battle non stop since the beginning of humanity but you do not deliberately kill woman and children
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The japanese would not have surrendered otherwise. It had to be done as horrible as it was there was no other way. Their mentality was not the way they are today. Today they are a different government.
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the japanese would never ever have surrendered its said.
but the usa could have done the following:
drop the bomb on an japanese islnad that where no people live and show the footage to the japanese people.
that could have worked.i mean the thread works all the way till today.
japan citizens werent all 100% behind their leaders agreeing with everything.,thats a myth.
This would not have worked, after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima they still refused to surrender. The people where being trained to swim out into the water to meet an invasion with bombs strapped to them in a suicide attempt. They would have been willing to kill their own women to stop an invasion.
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so be it, soldiers dying is better then innocent woman and children dying,that is what they signed up for, show me the paper where the child that got melted signed.
Their own people where trained to get in the way off our troops and blow themselves up at the beach.
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Their own people where trained to get in the way off our troops and blow themselves up at the beach.
those deserved to die, the people walking their dogs in the park with their children do not.
also in your previous post you said that was the only way? that is your opinion, further diplomacy would have got through to them.
1. Russia did not declare war on them prior to the bombs
2. the arrangements they made to stop the war did not acknowledge their monarchy which means they wanted them to decline the treaty, plain and simple.
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Japan was not targeting civilians, they were targeting a military compound where they figured everyone was military personnel.
Also dictators as you described above get over thrown by their own people. It is extremely convenient now to claim predictions of how much worse the out come would have been but the truth is the Japanese military where nothing, come on, one measly offensive attack(pearl harbor) in 4 years and they were this so called deadly threat that would have cost millions of live, Ya right.
You know nothing. The japanese government was never challenged by their own people and would not have been taken over by them. This is absolute nonsense. Also do a little history on their military. The most barbaric and ruthless fighting in all of WW2 was with the japanese on the island campaigns. The bloodiest fiercest hand to hand combat probably of all time.
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those deserved to die, the people walking their dogs in the park with their children do not.
also in your previous post you said that was the only way? that is your opinion, further diplomacy would have got through to them.
1. Russia did not declare war on them prior to the bombs
2. the arrangements they made to stop the war did not acknowledge their monarchy which means they wanted them to decline the treaty, plain and simple.
Since when does a nation attacked.by another engage in diplomacy, screw that. Absolute full on dogs of war wipe them off the face of the earth. We should do the same to these radical Muslim f. ..u.ck.s that hide behind women and children. I have no remorse for the dead of any enemy.
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your point is shit and holds no credibility, in 4 years they managed one attack, pearl harbor,and you some how translate this to a threat of millions, you are the one buying into the propaganda that millions would have died.
, I on the other hand have studied my history and have memorized the entire Sun Tzu, i know that wars are fought with numbers but the primary attack is on soldiers and civilians fall on the way side not a head force attack on the civilian population by the 100's of thousand, that is not war at all.
The japanese where killing tens of thousands of Chinese civilians dropping poison on their crops and water supply. Picking and choosing ducking and dodging around the enemy is no way to defeat any enemy. Dogs of war all the way every last one of them if necessary.
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The japanese where killing tens of thousands of Chinese civilians dropping poison on their crops and water supply. Picking and choosing ducking and dodging around the enemy is no way to defeat any enemy. Dogs of war all the way every last one of them if necessary.
right, mind boggling how they were left off the hook for doing this and innocent people got killed instead.
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People seem to forget the scale of the War too. The US lost 420,000 people. England lost a bit more than that, Australia 40,000, Russia tens of millions, etc.... many being civilian draftees. The US was at War for 6 years, the others longer. Everyone was War weary.
If we were to institute Operation Downfall, the thought was 2 - 4 million injured, with 400,000 - 800,000 being fatalities just on the US side, with 25,000 - 30,000 of them in the first month.
The Japanese fatality rate would be estimated at near 10 times that.
It made sense to drop the bomb. They had ample warning with Pottsdam, they had a chance after Hiroshima. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Let's not forget that nearly 30 million lives lost in this war. It has been stated that had it drug out there would have been world.famine from the toll of war on crops and loss of men.
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and all america's military might still couldn't defeat the small, impoverished, sandal wearing farmers of vietnam
USA USA USA! ::)
Fact. If our military was allowed to do so we would have destroyed them. The politicians to over and ducked it all up. Do your research before u speak on this.
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Japs kill more Chinese, than Hitler Jews.
Joseph Mengele & his experiments were nothing in comparison with Japs one in China.
Nobody talks about 10000's of prisoners & what Japs did to them.
Why not talking about 'dead marches' in Philippines ?????????, no Hollywood films about it ???.
links?
I am curious about how many chins the japs ganked
and philines? whaat even happened there?
links?
totaly curious now
I know the holohoax never happened
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Japs kill more Chinese, than Hitler Jews.
Joseph Mengele & his experiments were nothing in comparison with Japs one in China.
Nobody talks about 10000's of prisoners & what Japs did to them.
Why not talking about 'dead marches' in Philippines ?????????, no Hollywood films about it ???.
:o