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Title: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 11:53:52 AM
if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 11:55:08 AM
 ::)

How is that ultimate freedom?  He probably stinks to high heaven.

I am sure he is miserable but just has deluded himself as most religious dumb fucks do.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 11:56:54 AM
he was immersed in the bliss and freedom of the Self from a young age. Your the one who is deluded.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Grape Ape on October 22, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Cannot answer until I'm sure what flavor tea is in the pot

Regarless, I don't think being free from self and cutting down a bit on the yak butter need to be mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: bradistani on October 22, 2014, 11:57:30 AM
::)

How is that ultimate freedom?  He probably stinks to high heaven.

I am sure he is miserable but just has deluded himself as most religious dumb fucks do.

i concur
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: _aj_ on October 22, 2014, 11:57:44 AM
I would trade my life for a free country for my son.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
he was immersed in the bliss and freedom of the Self from a young age. Your the one who is deluded.
No he isnt, hes in Platos cave with everyone else.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 11:58:25 AM
Everyone has their own idea of what personal freedom means.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:00:29 PM
No he isnt, hes in Platos cave with everyone else.

get back on the shrooms gramps, your cynicism is crushing your spirit.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:01:01 PM
This moron was filled with nothing but mumbo jumbo bullshit.  His mental faculties were definitely lacking.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Cannot answer until I'm sure what flavor tea is in the pot

Regarless, I don't think being free from self and cutting down a bit on the yak butter need to be mutually exclusive.

hahaha
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 12:01:48 PM
get back on the shrooms gramps, your cynicism is crushing your spirit.
Its called reality Ro, no matter how long and hard you meditate its always waiting for you at the other end.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
The world is too confusing of a place for BigRo so he is constantly searching for everything except reality.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:04:18 PM
Would you?

yes I would but would prefer looking like this great sage
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 12:05:37 PM
he was immersed in the bliss and freedom of the Self from a young age. Your the one who is deluded.
He s probably fed by other weaker minds who work for a living and he indoctrinated into believing in his bullshits, oh wait i just sumed sects/religion/spirituality as a whole.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Its called reality Ro, no matter how long and hard you meditate its always waiting for you at the other end.

oh reality is that what getbiggers are in touch with. What a laugh. Reality is beyond the senses and mind, discovered in deep meditation. Om Tat Sat.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
oh reality is that what getbiggers are in touch with. What a laugh. Reality is beyond the senses and mind, discovered in deep meditation. Om Tat Sat.
Shut the fuck up and go inject your drugs.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:07:18 PM
He s probably fed by other weaker minds who work for a living and he indoctrinated into believing in his bullshits, oh wait i just sumed religion/spirituality as a whole.

he sat in the caves of Aranachula for years without a care for his body. People took care of it because that is part of the tradition there.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 12:08:27 PM
i've said it before i'll say it again

the ideal life is winning big in the lottory


not telling ANYONE

quitting your job

living a life of sleeping late, relaxing and bodybuilding, some travel, whores and such


keep telling everybody how hard you are working

if you have a wife buy second house (much better than your main one)

where you relax all day while you claim to be busting your nuts at work, no time to exercise even at night! (you do this in the day lol)

put cameras in main house to spie on wife, if she cheat you kick her ass to tha streets
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 12:10:27 PM
That's not ultimate freedom - that's delusion, escapism, and just plain giving up.

We're all slaves to our humanity. You cannot transcend yourself. Enlightenment is already in you and around you - you just have find it. Sometimes you have to get lost in the woods to see the forrest.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:10:48 PM
he sat in the caves of Aranachula for years without a care for his body. People took care of it because that is part of the tradition there.
You can`t even sit for one week without injecting yourself with Testosterone, for fear of losing your fake muscles.

Good luck with you moomba joomba nonsense, moron.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Shut the fuck up and go inject your drugs.

no you shut the fuck up and learn meditation you arrogant fuck. :-*
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:12:18 PM
no you shut the fuck up and learn meditation you arrogant fuck. :-*
Where does megadosing steroids come into play during meditation?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: _aj_ on October 22, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
TA's been a veritable helicopter of fists lately.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
Where does megadosing steroids come into play during meditation?
6 grams is the sweet spot and ronald doenst use more than 3 at best

what megadosing?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:13:34 PM
That's not ultimate freedom - that's delusion, escapism, and just plain giving up.

We're all slaves to our humanity. You cannot transcend yourself. Enlightenment is already in you and around you - you just have find it.

I did not say one had to live like this sage did to realize oneself. I asked would you or anyone be ready to look like that to attain enlightenment.

you base this conviction apon what? many have transcended the limitations of body and mind.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
I did not say one had to live like this sage did to realize oneself. I asked would you or anyone be ready to look like that to attain enlightenment.

you base this conviction apon what? many have transcended the limitations of body and mind.
Oh really?  Prove it. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
oh reality is that what getbiggers are in touch with. What a laugh. Reality is beyond the senses and mind, discovered in deep meditation. Om Tat Sat.

How can you be so vain, insecure you need to inject steroids, lifts weights to impress others with your physique, while pretending to be some kind of moral superiority/authority to anyone at the same time. You re just another lost clown desperatly looking for attention, deal with it. You re also completely delusional, which might be enhanced by your drug use but you re too uneducated to even realize your feelings of euphoria come from the very same external hormones you put in your body hoping to be feared by others instead of fearing them.  


By the way there is no such thing as freedom (except if you re in jail). Did you choose to come to life? No. Do you choose your genes, education? No. Your only "freedom" is to blindly continue what  you ve been conditionned to be, to adapt to survive facing the competition of other life forms until you re able to reproduce with another life form as clueless as you.


Many things have been discovered about "freedom" since religions exist. How original you are to try and find some "deep inner peace and sense of self realization" into .... oriental religions and philosophies.. I guess christianism isnt trendy enough ?

You re an animal playing by the same rules everyone else does, grow up and stop pretending otherwise.

When you inject steroids to try to impress and dominate other males, that's what you re doing, being an animal trying to adapt to survive and dominate.



Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 12:16:06 PM
Oh really?  Prove it. 
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xw4Db7SQ7bU/UYQr8AbUc7I/AAAAAAAAAW8/8wH9ZzXv8dw/s400/trip.gif)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
 
This is not a thread about me claiming to be a master.

Why don't you just answer the question?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: FermiDirac on October 22, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Ultimate freedom? As in having the body of a punctured marshmallow and being devoted to life of filth, meditation and for the most time sitting on a stinky mattress "contemplating the meaning of life"?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 12:26:01 PM
I did not say one had to live like this sage did to realize oneself. I asked would you or anyone be ready to look like that to attain enlightenment.

you base this conviction apon what? many have transcended the limitations of body and mind.

No, they have only showed that these previously thought of limitations were false. They pushed the boundaries of what we thought could be and what is.

They didn't transcend themselves - they found themselves.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 12:27:31 PM

This is not a thread about me claiming to be a master.

Why don't you just answer the question?
We answered the question moron, we are animals and we re all designed by nature to fight to death for ressources and mates until we can spread our genes. All of this is automatical, mechanical preprogrammed and we didnt choose shit. You should read way more books before trying to sound like a smart ass, which is exactly what you re attempting to do in all your posts.

No life form is free, freedom, real choice is to choose to end a life you didnt even choose to be spawned into.

As Camus said it, "there's only one philosophical question that matters; suicide."

You are so uneducated, clueless, immature and insecure it's not even funny. The steroid use is just the icing on the cake. I can't imagine how tough it will be for you to come off the drugs and their euphorical side effects. 

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
No, they have only showed that these previously thought of limitations were false. They pushed the boundaries of what we thought could be and what is.

They didn't transcend themselves - they found themselves.

your playing with words here now.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
We answered the question moron, we are animals and we re all designed by nature to fight to death for ressources and mates until we can spread our genes. All of this is automatical, mechanical and we didnt choose shit. You should read way more books before trying to sound like a smart ass, which is exactly what you re attempting to do in all your posts.

No life form is free, freedom, real choice is to choose to end a life you didnt even choose to be spawned into.

As camus said it, "there's only one philosophical question that matters; suicide."

You are so uneducated, clueless, immature and insecure it's not even funny. The steroid use is just the icing on the cake.



I was in to deep meditation long before steroid use came in to the picture and enjoyed the immense peace it gave me.

I really don't know why I am even acknowledging your neo nazi anti god disgusting self.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 12:33:41 PM
Mans ultimate conundrum is that his ego makes him believe there is something more to life than this simple birth/life/death sequence.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the mental capacity to work out what that is.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Shockwave on October 22, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
I would trade my life for a free country for my son.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
your playing with words here now.

Semantics matter.

Especially in logic and philosophy.

Can't argue with words without meaning.

Its like a questionable foundation. Can't build on it.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Mans ultimate conundrum is that his ego makes him believe there is something more to life than this simple birth/life/death sequence.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the mental capacity to work out what that is.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 12:38:41 PM
he was immersed in the bliss and freedom of the Self from a young age. Your the one who is deluded.

Here in Los Angeles we call his enlightened brothers and sisters, 'homeless'.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 12:40:34 PM
Mans ultimate conundrum is that his ego makes him believe there is something more to life than this simple birth/life/death sequence.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the mental capacity to work out what that is.
Has nothing to do with mental capacity or incapacity to figure something "hidden", it's more about the fact there's simply nothing else to understand other than we re an animal specie among others that is destined to disapear because one day it won't be able to adapt anymore. Scientists came to the conclusion we re probably never ever going to be able to leave earth cause we re simply not adapted to do so which leaves us with the conclusion that we re just going to kill each others indefinitely and randomly for ressources until they re dry or that one day the sun explodes and annihilate  the solar system , earth included at the same time. We ll probably eradicate ourselves or be wiped by some random natural cataclysm before we even get there anyway.


Oh well... There we go again. I doubt Big Childish Pussy is going to read this tho. It's easier to feel content in some random drug induced bullshit pseudo philosophical/spiritual system of belief for some people than facing the truth.


The human condition

Zapffe views the human condition as tragically overdeveloped, calling it "a biological paradox, an abomination, an absurdity, an exaggeration of disastrous nature."[1] Zapffe viewed the world as beyond humanity's need for meaning, unable to provide any of the answers to the fundamental existential questions.

    The tragedy of a species becoming unfit for life by over-evolving one ability is not confined to humankind. Thus it is thought, for instance, that certain deer in paleontological times succumbed as they acquired overly-heavy horns. The mutations must be considered blind, they work, are thrown forth, without any contact of interest with their environment.

    In depressive states, the mind may be seen in the image of such an antler, in all its fantastic splendour pinning its bearer to the ground.

    — Peter Wessel Zapffe, The Last Messiah[1]

Throughout the essay, Zapffe alludes to Nietzsche, "the poster case, as it were, of seeing too much for sanity."[2]

After placing the source of anguish in human intellect, Zapffe then sought as to why humanity simply didn't just perish. He concluded humanity "performs, to extend a settled phrase, a more or less self-conscious repression of its damaging surplus of consciousness" and that this was "a requirement of social adaptability and of everything commonly referred to as healthy and normal living."[1] He provided four defined mechanisms of defense that allowed an individual to overcome their burden of intellect.
Remedies against panic

    Isolation is the first method Zapffe noted, who defined it as "a fully arbitrary dismissal from consciousness of all disturbing and destructive thought and feeling" and cites "One should not think, it is just confusing" as an example.[1]

    Anchoring, according to Zapffe, is the "fixation of points within, or construction of walls around, the liquid fray of consciousness". The anchoring mechanism provides individuals a value or an ideal that allows them to focus their attentions in a consistent manner. Zapffe compared this mechanism to Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen's concept of the life-lie from the play The Wild Duck, where the family has achieved a tolerable modus vivendi by ignoring the skeletons and by permitting each member to live in a dreamworld of his own. Zapffe also applied the anchoring principle to society, and stated "God, the Church, the State, morality, fate, the laws of life, the people, the future" are all examples of collective primary anchoring firmaments. He noted flaws in the principle's ability to properly address the human condition, and warned against the despair provoked resulting from discovering one's anchoring mechanism was false. Another shortcoming of anchoring is conflict between contradicting anchoring mechanisms, which Zapffe posits will bring one to destructive nihilism.[1]

    Distraction is when "one limits attention to the critical bounds by constantly enthralling it with impressions."[1] Distraction focuses all of one's energy on a task or idea to prevent the mind from turning in on itself.

    Sublimation is the refocusing of energy away from negative outlets, toward positive ones.

    Through stylistic or artistic gifts can the very pain of living at times be converted into valuable experiences. Positive impulses engage the evil and put it to their own ends, fastening onto its pictorial, dramatic, heroic, lyric or even comic aspects.... To write a tragedy, one must to some extent free oneself from- betray- the very feeling of tragedy and regard it from an outer, e.g. aesthetic, point of view. Here is, by the way, an opportunity for the wildest round-dancing through ever higher ironic levels, into a most embarrassing circulus vitiosus. Here one can chase one's ego across numerous habitats, enjoying the capacity of the various layers of consciousness to dispel one another.

    The present essay is a typical attempt at sublimation. The author does not suffer, he is filling pages and is going to be published in a journal.

    — Peter Wessel Zapffe, The Last Messiah[1]

The last messiah

Zapffe concluded that "As long as humankind recklessly proceeds in the fateful delusion of being biologically fated for triumph, nothing essential will change." Mankind will get increasingly desperate until 'the last messiah' arrives, "the man who, as the first of all, has dared strip his soul naked and submit it alive to the outmost thought of the lineage, the very idea of doom. A man who has fathomed life and its cosmic ground, and whose pain is the Earth's collective pain."[1] Zapffe compares his messiah to Moses, but ultimately rejects the precept to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,” by saying “Know yourselves – be infertile, and let the earth be silent after ye.”[2]

Zapffe's theory is that humans are born with an overdeveloped skill (understanding, self-knowledge) which does not fit into nature's design. The human craving for justification on matters such as life and death cannot be satisfied—an idea closely related to that popularly established by Albert Camus and absurdist philosophy—hence humanity has a need that nature cannot satisfy. The tragedy, following this theory, is that humans spend all their time trying not to be human. The human being, therefore, is a paradox.
In The Last Messiah Zapffe described four principal defense mechanisms that humankind uses to avoid facing this paradox:

    Isolation is "a fully arbitrary dismissal from consciousness of all disturbing and destructive thought and feeling".[2]
    Anchoring is the "fixation of points within, or construction of walls around, the liquid fray of consciousness".[2] The anchoring mechanism provides individuals a value or an ideal that allows them to focus their attentions in a consistent manner. Zapffe also applied the anchoring principle to society, and stated "God, the Church, the State, morality, fate, the laws of life, the people, the future"[2] are all examples of collective primary anchoring firmaments.
    Distraction is when "one limits attention to the critical bounds by constantly enthralling it with impressions".[2] Distraction focuses all of one's energy on a task or idea to prevent the mind from turning in on itself.
    Sublimation is the refocusing of energy away from negative outlets, toward positive ones. The individuals distance themselves and look at their existence from an aesthetic point of view (e.g., writers, poets, painters). Zapffe himself pointed out that his produced works were the product of sublimation.

Zapffe was a prolific mountaineer and took a very early interest in environmentalism. This form of nature conservationism sprung from the intent, not of protecting nature, but to avoid human culturalization of nature. He is the author of many humorous short stories about climbing and other adventures in nature.

Zapffe married twice. He remained married to his second wife Berit Zapffe until his death in 1990. Berit herself died in May 2008. Zapffe believed that having children should be problematised and remained childless by choice.

http://philosophynow.org/issues/45/The_Last_Messiah




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

The elusiveness of hapiness
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/359/1449/1333.full.pdf
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Semantics matter.

Especially in logic and philosophy.

Can't argue with words without meaning.

Its like a questionable foundation. Can't build on it.



they matter in mental philosophy but that does not bring one to liberation.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: FermiDirac on October 22, 2014, 12:41:21 PM
Every person on Earth could vanish over night, and the universe wouldn't even notice. That's the profound and sad truth, nothing we do matters in the big pictor. We are just reconstituted carbon molecules, no more no less.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: D.O.A. on October 22, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
ultimate freedom would be great. People that get there are very fortunate.
But unless you experience it and get there you never know what its like.

We have a saying =Suicide is the ultimate freedom.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: heenok on October 22, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
big ro

define freedom. is it like the budhist, "get rid of all desire so you dont suffer"
sounds like being braindead to me...

but yeah i would trade my little gains for ultimate peace and freedom of mind
bodybuilding is nothing but a pipe dream
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 12:44:49 PM
Mans ultimate conundrum is that his ego makes him believe there is something more to life than this simple birth/life/death sequence.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the mental capacity to work out what that is.

and even if he tries, he ultimately falls short
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
The verdict is in, getbiggers would not look like that even if it meant the abolishment of their mental suffering and living in the beatitude of the Self.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 22, 2014, 12:45:30 PM
If you have Ultimate Freedom you don't even need Tea, which is apparent that the ole bloke in the pic still needs.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 12:45:53 PM
All this bullshit about people finding themselves, having the right answer, finding the truth, is a bunch of bullshit. This guy is no more enlightened than the beggar on the street corner.

Two good quotes:

"Respect Those Who Seek the Truth, Be Wary of Those Who Claim to have Found It."

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: heenok on October 22, 2014, 12:46:02 PM
The verdict is in, getbiggers would not look like that even if it meant the abolishment of their mental suffering and living in the beatitude of the Self.

easy to say when you have a pro looking physique  ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:47:39 PM
If you have Ultimate Freedom you don't even need Tea, which is apparent that the ole bloke in the pic still needs.
He also needed people to follow him around, take pictures of him and listen to his bullshit otherwise it was a waste of time for the "enlightened" wonder.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 12:48:46 PM
A lot of posters attacking the OP for steroid usage. LOL!

This is a bodybuilding site and bodybuilding = hormones.
::)
Yes, the enlightenment can only come at the tip of a dripping needle, 3 grams of week no less.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
ultimate freedom would be great. People that get there are very fortunate.
But unless you experience it and get there you never know what its like.

We have a saying =Suicide is the ultimate freedom.

true that's why trying to convince people about this is pointless whether they resonate or ridicule. I was not even attempting to convince and the anti thiest hoard come in to try and convince me I am a quack of shit. Fuck the lot of them.

I disagree with suicide being the ultimate freedom as it pertains to the body, the mind/soul continues.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
A lot of posters attacking the OP for steroid usage. LOL!

This is a bodybuilding site and bodybuilding = hormones.
the usual pussies like uberman who are afraid to use steroids but definitely would use them if they had zero health implication
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: heenok on October 22, 2014, 12:51:35 PM
bigro whats your spiritual life like ? are you a buddhist?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 12:54:21 PM
Big Ro pissed off because his delusions are being challenged. He spouts his typical quackery bullshit, then gets mad when he is challenged. This is a typical response to those who believe in such foolish things such as god, psychics, ghosts, etc, and all that other mystical bullshit you want to discuss.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: no one on October 22, 2014, 12:58:04 PM
if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi




why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was not a nice person in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 22, 2014, 12:58:24 PM
If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
Gotta give this free man credit tho. Not many men could forget their loved ones in pursuit of ultimate freedom.

The delusions are strong with him.

Escapist coward.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 12:59:58 PM
Big Ro pissed off because his delusions are being challenged. He spouts his typical quackery bullshit, then gets mad when he is challenged. This is a typical response to those who believe in such foolish things such as god, psychics, ghosts, etc, and all that other mystical bullshit you want to discuss.

Obviously, but what is even more sad is that this clown doesnt even realize the drugs he s on actually play a big part in inducing his so called state of well being. Basically he s artificially happy and confident thanks to the injections of external male hormones which are known by scientists to boost mood and confidence and probably couldnt live and face the brutal reality of life without the chemical help. But one day, he ll have to, just like everyone else. The longer the wait, the harder the crash. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.

Like saying everyone "hey look at me I'm "free" -and on steroids- , you re all a bunch of negative losers who dont come close to how enlighted I am? "

It would be nothing coming from a teen girl going thru her adolescence, but coming from a so called adult known to abuse tons of steroids ?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 01:02:35 PM
Obviously, but what is even more sad is that this clown doesnt even realize the drugs he s on actually play a big part in inducing his so called state of well being. Basically he s artificially happy and confident thanks to the injections of external male hormones which are known by scientists to boost mood and confidence and probably couldnt live and face the brutal reality of life without the chemical help. But one day, he ll have to, just like everyone else.

i wonder how he is going to be when he stops injecting and shrinks down to 150 pounds soaking wet. i wonder if he will become depressed.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: B_B_C on October 22, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
The verdict is in, getbiggers would not look like that even if it meant the abolishment of their mental suffering and living in the beatitude of the Self.

"emancipate your self from mental slavery "
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:02:51 PM

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was a bad dude in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let oh ahead realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.
Some people cut their dicks off trying to find "peace".

With regards to the bold part, isn`t that the "peace" most delusionals try to seek anyways?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:04:05 PM

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was a bad dude in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway

good post, thanks for the mature contribution. I was not doubting one cannot have a well built functional physique in the world and have a great deal of inner freedom and peace, it was more a question of would one trade it for the ultimate release if it was needed. We forget out bodies for the peace of sleep at night after all :)

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.
No reason though that we can`t point our fingers at him, laugh at him and tell him how much of a deluded dumbass he is though.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Human beings are bottom of the food chain when it comes to enlightenment because we have ego.
Its constantly fucking with us, we wonder whats going to happen when we die, we start believing in all kinds of shit if we think it will allow us to be reborn/live on after we have died.

Shit, even my dog is happier than a human on that level, he doesn't fear death, he doesn't even contemplate it, in fact he doesn't know its going to happen.
He just lives every day to the full and sleeps soundly without a care in the world.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
i wonder how he is going to be when he stops injecting and shrinks down to 150 pounds soaking wet. i wonder if he will become depressed.
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 01:06:38 PM
Freedom from what is another question.  Even in a state of deep meditation we are judging the sensations we are experiencing in context to what we already know and experienced.  Ask anyone who has had a profound medicated experience to explain their experience and they will explain it in completely physical terms. The truth is we can't ever be free.  We are the product off our own existence
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:07:06 PM
Gotta give this free man credit tho. Not many men could forget their loved ones in pursuit of ultimate freedom.

The delusions are strong with him.

Escapist coward.

I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.
Ramana didn`t do a goddamn thing but teach being content with laziness.  Why did he bother to go to the hospital when he had cancer?  ???
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 01:08:43 PM
No reason though that we can`t point our fingers at him, laugh at him and tell him how much of a deluded dumbass he is though.

Someone is fair game for criticism when they argue that a very subjective experience is objectively true.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 01:08:46 PM

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was not a nice person in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway

Amor Fati  8)

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
Ramana didn`t do a goddamn thing but teach being content with laziness.  Why did he bother to go to the hospital when he had cancer?  ???

I see you did some reading up on him. I cannot say why he refused medical treatment. Perhaps it was part of his teaching, like Jesus allowing himself to be crucified.

One needs the utmost wakefulness and luminosity to realize the Self, laziness is a hindrance on the path.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:12:56 PM
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

Basically  quitting an addiction for another one that produces enough dopamine and serotonin in the brain... Some addictions are healthier than others tho. But we all die in the end. And everything we do daily ultimately slowly degrade our bodies and kills us.

Hapiness is a chemical state of mind produced by a predictable and stable accumulation of easily attainable pleasures and satisfactions one can envision in his near and long term future.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg/2000px-Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg.png)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:14:21 PM
I see you did some reading up on him. I cannot say why he refused medical treatment. Perhaps it was part of his teaching, like Jesus allowing himself to be crucified.

One needs the utmost wakefulness and luminosity to realize the Self, laziness is a hindrance on the path.
He did receive medical treatment for his cancer.   My question is why?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Basically  quitting an addiction for another one that produces enough dopamine and serotonin in the brain... Some addictions are healthier than others tho. But we all die in the end. And everything we do daily ultimately slowly degrade our bodies and kills us.

Hapiness is a chemical state of mind produced by a predictable and stable accumulation of easily attainable pleasures and satisfactions one can envision in his near and long term future.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg/2000px-Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg.png)
You can`t sum up human behavior with a pyramid chart.  Thats just as stupid in my opinion.  Besides, that "hierarchy" is not science based at all.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:16:22 PM
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

I will keep up some weights, yoga, hiking. You sure do like portraying me in a sinful light. Funny how much a moral prick people can be even without religion.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 01:17:09 PM
You can`t sum up human behavior with a pyramid chart.  Thats just as stupid in my opinion.  Besides, that "hierarchy" is not science based at all.
maslov was a psychologist and psychologists in general have not the foggiest notion of what a brain is and how it works
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:18:14 PM
He did receive medical treatment for his cancer.   My question is why?

your question is basically anything that can show him in a bad light. If he received treatment you would say he does not have faith in god to heal. If he doesn't you will laugh at his faith. Your a total fuckwit.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:18:42 PM
You want two real books on the matter.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/The_Blank_Slate.jpg)

(http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/How-the-Mind-Works.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
maslov was a psychologist and psychologists in general have not the foggiest notion of what a brain is and how it works
High level psychologists work with neurologists on a daily basis and probably have a way deeper clue about how our brains work than you do tho. Brain thru the senses adapts to the environment in order to find ressources to insure the survival of the body that contains it, and has no other purpose, period.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
A better book to read.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8361/8325068127_a71be2177b_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
your question is basically anything that can show him in a bad light. If he received treatment you would say he does not have faith in god to heal. If he doesn't you will laugh at his faith. Your a total fuckwit.
Exactly the point.  You see the red herring here?  His faith, belief, nonsense "enlightenment".  Cancer doesn`t give a fuck about any of those things and he is powerless to stop it either way.  His sense of his "self" is completely useless and will not do anything other than delude his thoughts.

Only a fuckwit would think "faith" has any bearing on outcomes in situation.  Faith, the dogmatic belief for the sake of believing, no evidence needed.  ::)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Wolfox on October 22, 2014, 01:23:22 PM
I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.

The foundation of a society begins and ends with the family.

With that said, I can still respect what he tried to do.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: no one on October 22, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
good post, thanks for the mature contribution. I was not doubting one cannot have a well built functional physique in the world and have a great deal of inner freedom and peace, it was more a question of would one trade it for the ultimate release if it was needed. We forget out bodies for the peace of sleep at night after all :)



dude. this is GB. hardly the place for mature contribution. but once in a whole a cool thread like this pops up.

I think to achieve that peace one needs to give up as Simon said ego. pride is one of my 3 huge peace killers. I'm a prideful person.

I dunno man. look at your life as you have it now. if you can have a great life w all the material comforts you have but still can find a state of peace and both exist mutually knowing that would you give it all up for total peace?

because you can. you know you can. all you gotta do is take step. hard to do tho eh?  :)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
I think its a way to rationalize their extreme muscle loss to be honest with you.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
these physical activities are known to produce the chemicals of the " recipe of hapiness" in the brain and replace the artificial production of said chemicals when using external hormones in the body. Any physical activity increases the production of dopamine and serotonin in the brain.
Simply put it's replacing a drug that produce endorphins by another.

http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/weightlifting-release-endorphins-4736.html
http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/exercise-release-chemical-brain-6801.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro05/web2/mmcgovern.html
http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/exercise-depression
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
High level psychologysts work with neurologists and probably have a way deeper clue about how our brains work than you do tho. Brain thru the senses adapts to the environment in order to find ressources to insure the survival of the body that contains it, and has no other purpose, period.
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:27:48 PM
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...

We re all equal in the sense we re all animals  fighting for ressources and partners of reproduction, who prefer to dominate instead of being dominated, even if we have different skin colors or cultural backgrounds. Now, some animals are or become weaker than others and are eliminated by the selective process of evolution which sees the fittest/strongest survive.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:28:23 PM
dude. this is GB. hardly the place for mature contribution. but once in a whole a cool thread like this pops up.

I think to achieve that peace one needs to give up as Simon said ego. pride is one of my 3 huge peace killers. I'm a prideful person.

I dunno man. look at your life as you have it now. if you can have a great life w all the material comforts you have but still can find a state of peace and both exist mutually knowing that would you give it all up for total peace?

because you can. you know you can. all you gotta do is take step. hard to do tho eh?  :)
I am sure billions of people are just fine being prideful egomaniacs and that can contribute just as well to finding "peace".
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...

TA knows we are not all equal
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ISVLbNATLAA/S98zqY3rH9I/AAAAAAAAAII/fPiS_lEOURM/s1600/romans.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 22, 2014, 01:28:32 PM
if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi



He don't look very happy to me.   
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:30:34 PM
He don't look very happy to me.   

would you expect Jesus to be hanging out with a cheesy American grin on his face? lol
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 22, 2014, 01:33:07 PM
"…a man never is happy, but spends his whole life in striving after something which he thinks will make him so; he seldom attains his goal, and when he does, it is only to be disappointed; he is mostly shipwrecked in the end, and comes into harbor with mast and rigging gone. And then, it is all one whether he has been happy or miserable; for his life was never anything more than a present moment always vanishing; and now it is over."

Arthur Schopenhauer
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
would you expect Jesus to be hanging out with a cheesy American grin on his face? lol

By the way when are You going to trade your "gains" for ultimate freedom, you clown?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
We re all equal in the sense we re all animals  fighting for ressources and partners of reproduction, who prefer to dominate instead of being dominated, even if we have different skin colors or cultural backgrounds.
Not everyone fights for reproduction or resources or care to dominate.  Its no longer necessary.  Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.

Our bodies are just the expression of various genes and its the genes that live onward, not the person or organism.  The genes are indifferent to the person or whatever vessel contains the genetic information.

Furthermore, we are not shackled to our genes.  We have control over them.  Just because you are born a certain way or have a certain problem, myopia for instance, does not mean you can`t change or fix it- in this case wearing eye glasses.

If we just let our genes do what they wish, why should we even bother trying to cure diseases, lessen the impact of genetic defects or wear eyeglasses or contacts?

There is a genetic component in almost everything but that does NOT mean you can`t reverse it or change it.  We are not beholden to our "selfish genes" in any way. Just as we can use technology to overcome genetic limitations, we can easily use forethought to choose not to have children. Furthermore, our cultural norms and values and vain desires can also dictate if we replicate. (this is the case for nearly ALL pregnancies)  Human civilization may not have made it this far had we behaved or solely acted according to or on our genetic desires.  

As Steven Pinker says on choosing to be childless-"I am happy to be that way, and if my genes don't like it, they can go jump in the lake."
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
By the way when are You going to trade your "gains" for ultimate freedom, you clown?

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...


nietzsche on equality

Behold the tarantula.

    Revenge sits in your soul: wherever you bite, black scabs grow; your poison makes the soul whirl with revenge. (99c)

Those who preach equality are such tarantulas. For they are secretly vengeful. But Zarathustra will expose them so to deliver higher men from tarantular revenge. (99d)

But preachers of equality will hold to their ways. They will continue to abuse those who are greater than themselves. (100a)

Such men are enthusiastic in their efforts. But it is not from the fire of their hearts; it is just from revenge. They can be elegant and cold, yet from envy and not spirit. And they may be thinkers, but only out of their jealousy.

    Out of every one of their complaints sounds revenge; in their praise there is always a sting, and to be a judge seems bliss to them. (100c)

"For men are not equal: thus speaks justice." Nietzsche
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: no one on October 22, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
By the way when are You going to trade your "gains" for ultimate freedom, you clown?

i often wonder if you would talk to people in real life the way you do on here. i know i would. i doubt you would.

you should be more respectful- its better suited to who you'd be outside of here.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585280;image)
If I was walking by and saw you like that, I would piss on your head.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585280;image)


Hahahahahahaha!


And now you re back... on steroids... living the western way of life ... I guess it sums everything one has to know about the whole spiritual/religious bullshit thing.
Couldnt confirm our point any better.


Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585280;image)


Hahahahahahaha!


And now you re back... on steroids... living the western way of life ... I guess it sums everything one has to know about the whole spiritual/religious bullshit thing.
Couldnt confirm our point any better.



He couldn`t deal with the fact that he is a genetic twink.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:48:40 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585280;image)
If I was walking by and saw you like that, I would piss on your head.

and I would rip your dick off.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:49:09 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585280;image)
If I was walking by and saw you like that, I would piss on your head.
i wouldnt pee on him, but i would laugh at him, just like i d laugh at his hormonized version in the gym. Some people are just fake.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
Not everyone fights for reproduction or resources or care to dominate.  Its no longer necessary.  Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.

Our bodies are just the expression of various genes and its the genes that live onward, not the person or organism.  The genes are indifferent to the person or whatever vessel contains the genetic information.

Furthermore, we are not shackled to our genes.  We have control over them.  Just because you are born a certain way or have a certain problem, myopia for instance, does not mean you can`t change or fix it- in this case wearing eye glasses.

If we just let our genes do what they wish, why should we even bother trying to cure diseases, lessen the impact of genetic defects or wear eyeglasses or contacts?

There is a genetic component in almost everything but that does NOT mean you can`t reverse it or change it.  We are not beholden to our "selfish genes" in any way. Just as we can use technology to overcome genetic limitations, we can easily use forethought to choose not to have children. Furthermore, our cultural norms and values and vain desires can also dictate if we replicate. (this is the case for nearly ALL pregnancies)  Human civilization may not have made it this far had we behaved or solely acted according to or on our genetic desires.  

As Steven Pinker says on choosing to be childless-"I am happy to be that way, and if my genes don't like it, they can go jump in the lake."

The welfare state is subsidizing and artificially inflating the birthrates of groups who have proven themselves to be unadapatable to a modern society. Without the aid of the dominate culture they would quickly fate to near extinction levels.  In these same cultures the dominant culture isn't having enough children to replace themselves.  Both of these examples indicate strongly that the proliferation of ones genes isn't always the primary motivation for individuals or groups.  In fact, this strategy works directly against a cultures genes. Weird.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:50:54 PM
He couldn`t deal with the fact that he is a genetic twink.
well apparently "meditation" and his "beliefs" werent enough to make him feel secure enough in society. So he needed to inject external male hormones in his body to feel like a real man and deal with his daily life. What a complete phony.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:51:50 PM
and I would rip your dick off.
Then you haven`t found true enlightenment, now have you?  A person who has found enlightenment in this manner wouldn`t even realize the pee dripping down the side of his head now would he? (or at least they aren`t supposed to).

Why would you be concerned with piss on your head if you are trying to get to another world or plane of understanding?

Oh, I know why.  Because its all bullshit and my pee test proved that!  :D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 01:53:30 PM
is that you in your avatar Ubergay? fuck I was bigger at 15.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 22, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
The welfare state is subsidizing and artificially inflating the birthrates of groups who have proven themselves to be unadapatable to a modern society. Without the aid of the dominate culture they would quickly fate to near extinction levels.  In these same cultures the dominant culture isn't having enough children to replace themselves.  Both of these examples indicate strongly that the proliferation of ones genes isn't always the primary motivation for individuals or groups.  In fact, this strategy works directly against a cultures genes. Weird.

For the middle and upper classes, kids are an expense; for the poor, an income stream viz. government bennies.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 01:54:37 PM
The welfare state is subsidizing and artificially inflating the birthrates of groups who have proven themselves to be unadapatable to a modern society. Without the aid of the dominate culture they would quickly fate to near extinction levels.  In these same cultures the dominant culture isn't having enough children to replace themselves.  Both of these examples indicate strongly that the proliferation of ones genes isn't always the primary motivation for individuals or groups.  In fact, this strategy works directly against a cultures genes. Weird.
Very good post!  On top of that, you have Republicans and Conservatives trying to put every roadblock and obstacle in the way when it comes to Abortion and birth control.  Its pathetic really.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
is that you in your avatar Ubergay? fuck I was bigger at 15.

not everyone wants to be a roided out junkie like you.  :-\
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: che on October 22, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
Do I have  to  give up  pussy  too?


(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/03/18/0318-karina-jelinek-paz-carnu-bikini-photos-launch-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 22, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
The Ultimate Freedom
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Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
your need to mock other peoples beliefs suggest you to be a very unhappy lonely man  
or maybe im just pointing at their bullshits and exposing them for what they are...
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
your need to mock other peoples beliefs suggest you to be a very unhappy lonely man  

i dont think of it as "mocking." long gone are the days where you couldn't challenge someones ideas of fear of being killed (talking out against the church often lead to this). we have reached a time where people are no longer going to be fooled into people bullshit ideas. people are going to speak out. For example, psychics always tricked people with their ways. as time progressed, people realized what a crock of shit it is and people are constantly challeging these psychic peoples beliefs that they could conjur up the dead. i, for one, am glad that we live in a time and age where these charlatans are all being challenged. enough with their rhetoric and bullshit.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
i dont think of it as "mocking." long gone are the days where you couldn't challenge someones ideas of fear of being killed (talking out against the church often lead to this). we have reached a time where people are no longer going to be fooled into people bullshit ideas. people are going to speak out. For example, psychics always tricked people with their ways. as time progressed, people realized what a crock of shit it is and people are constantly challeging these psychic peoples beliefs that they could conjur up the dead. i, for one, am glad that we live in a time and age where these charlatans are all being challenged. enough with their rhetoric and bullshit.

or maybe im just pointing at their bullshits and exposing them for what they are...

your doing exactly what you condemn religion of doing. Your as fundamentalist and zealous as any preacher. People like you give genuine atheists a bad name.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 02:06:27 PM
i dont think of it as "mocking." long gone are the days where you couldn't challenge someones ideas of fear of being killed (talking out against the church often lead to this). we have reached a time where people are no longer going to be fooled into people bullshit ideas. people are going to speak out. For example, psychics always tricked people with their ways. as time progressed, people realized what a crock of shit it is and people are constantly challeging these psychic peoples beliefs that they could conjur up the dead. i, for one, am glad that we live in a time and age where these charlatans are all being challenged. enough with their rhetoric and bullshit.

There is a massive difference between challenging beliefs with relevant discussion and trying to insult or belittle someone.  

Putting personal homoerotic piss fetishes out in the open has nothing to do with challenging a belief.  I think Uberman was just plain coming onto him.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
is that you in your avatar Ubergay? fuck I was bigger at 15.
::)
Oh, the "enlightened one" is comparing himself again.

Lets remind Getbig of what you look like off drugs  (certainly not in Uberman`s league as a natural):

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 02:07:12 PM
For the middle and upper classes, kids are an expense; for the poor, an income stream viz. government bennies.

A very interesting theory about the formation of society is that in the past it was the more intelligent who had the larger number of children because they had the smarts and resources.  The genes for intelligence and civility would pass to the general populations through marriage causing an overall increase in intelligence as these genes circulated throughout the society.  Its the old, a rising tide lifts all boats.  We know this kind of gene transfer occurs for others things so why not intelligence.  There is a strong correlation between societal cohesion and intelligence. Oddly enough, in the present this breeding model is completely reversed.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 02:07:35 PM
quiet so and you at the right height to bit as well

your angry reactions to other peoples distress patterns here suggests you may be in danger of being an unenlightened Buddha.

its getbig but in real life I would not be any different if he did that, either now as a bodybuilder or back then with a yoga body. I dont need to conform to non violent ideals in every regard.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 02:08:17 PM
your doing exactly what you condemn religion of doing. Your as fundamentalist and zealous as any preacher. People like you give genuine atheists a bad name.


This argument is so silly. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 02:08:24 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2q8mu10.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:16:04 PM
your doing exactly what you condemn religion of doing. Your as fundamentalist and zealous as any preacher. People like you give genuine atheists a bad name.


Point out where I belittled you? Wait, you can't.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
He's struggling to make any sense following the beating he just received, and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
There is a massive difference between challenging beliefs with relevant discussion and trying to insult or belittle someone.  

Putting personal homoerotic piss fetishes out in the open has nothing to do with challenging a belief.  I think Uberman was just plain coming onto him.

I was speaking about the more overall idea that we do not live in an era where challenging another person's idea is heresy. I am glad to live in such a time. I cant speak for uberman, well, because he's uberman.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
He's struggling to make any sense with the beating he just received, and rightfully so.
This is all that needs to be said.

hahaha.  But Uberman, he had more muscle at 15 years old than you, despite that this picture of him was taken about two years ago only.  :o

BigRo is a clown.

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2q8mu10.jpg)

LMAO!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: tommywishbone on October 22, 2014, 02:19:01 PM
I sold my television when Elvis died. Figured nothing else good was ever going to appear on the TV.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
Point out where I belittled you? Wait, you can't.

You see this type of reasoning from religious types quite frequently.   The intend of this strategy is to put you on the defensive by questioning your moral character.   A weak minded person, and I don't think you are at all, would take the bait and feel compelled to defend themselves thus letting the accuser off the hook.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:19:40 PM
HAHAHAHA  August 6th of this year?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10444447_744521585609191_2492073878612393566_n.jpg?oh=2b81225cd3f1c4dc9548b93ae835ed79&oe=54BAB206&__gda__=1420471008_3386b99ad1d8e6eb732fb5f636465624)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
He might want to rethink that Uberman comparison as a natural.

Uberman blows him out of the water big time. 

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/380543_259878074073547_1834915445_n.jpg?oh=0fbbda558b509707a320fe395fcd230e&oe=54F44E3F&__gda__=1421161182_5f2b8f69b351121bdc5f64af4d8ade87)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 02:21:46 PM
I was speaking about the more overall idea that we do not live in an era where challenging another person's idea is heresy. I am glad to live in such a time. I cant speak for uberman, well, because he's uberman.

I get what you're saying. Unfortunately depending on location some do still live in that world.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 02:24:36 PM
This is all that needs to be said.

hahaha.  But Uberman, he had more muscle at 15 years old than you, despite that this picture of him was taken about two years ago only.  :o

BigRo is a clown.

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)
is that really him?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:25:20 PM
You see this type of reasoning from religious types quite frequently.   The intend of this strategy is to put you on the defensive by questioning your moral character.   A weak minded person, and I don't think you are at all, would take the bait and feel compelled to defend themselves thus letting the accuser off the hook.

Thanks, broskie.

I agreed, that religious types try to make us feel guilty. Or they will ask us, "Why are you so angry for?"  ::) Then we have to sit there and defend ourselves, instead of the religious zealot defending their belief system. Its a sly way to take it off of them and put it onto the "angry" atheist.  ::)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: no one on October 22, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
at the end of the day we all do this out of vanity. period.

so to ostracize someone who uses anabolics as a vehicle for that pursuit when others choose not to even tho they are training under the exact same motivations is hypocritical.
 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
is that really him?
It is.  Pretty crazy isn`t it.  He is All Drugs and nothing else.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 22, 2014, 02:28:53 PM
It there really a big difference between a Yogi and a bodybuilder? Their days are basically the same: eat, exercise a bit, then, do nothing.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 02:29:06 PM
It is.  Pretty crazy isn`t it.  He is All Drugs and nothing else.

its kind of ironic that he would make fun of ubermans physique. who actually looks pretty good.

yet, he looks like absolute shit when he is not using.

I never understood drug users who boast about having such an awesome physique and looking better than a natural, when they look like absolute shit when they are not using.

oh, the irony.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:29:35 PM
at the end of the day we all do this out of vanity. period.

so to ostracize someone who uses anabolics as a vehicle for that pursuit when others choose not to even tho they are training under the exact same motivations is hypocritical.
 
No.  I am calling bullshit to his claim that he had more muscle than Uberman at age 15.  Bigro certainly did not and without drugs, looks like someone who does not even workout.  
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
its kind of ironic that he would make fun of ubermans physique. who actually looks pretty good.

yet, he looks like absolute shit when he is not using.

I never understood drug users who boast about having such an awesome physique and looking better than a natural, when they look like absolute shit when they are not using.

oh, the irony.
I know it.  They all do that.  Then, when they encounter Lifetime Naturals who have put work in like Uberman, they just accuse them of drugs because they can`t envision lifting weights and trying and progressing without them.

Bigro looks like dogshit without drugs. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
No.  I am calling bullshit to his claim that he had more muscle than Uberman at age 15.  Bigro certainly did not and without drugs, looks like someone who does not even workout.  

So, you're using a photo of Ro when he isn't 15 to backup your argument on his size at 15? Don't you consider yourself to be intelligent?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
So, you're using a photo of Ro when he isn't 15 to backup your argument on his size at 15? Don't you consider yourself to be intelligent?
Try to follow along genius.  Bigro said he had more muscle at 15.  So I posted a picture of him from just a few years ago.

Are you trying to tell me that Bigro had more muscle at 15 than he did here? So in your mind he regressed?  Is that what you are saying?   ???

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
Try to follow along genius.  Bigro said he had more muscle at 15.  So I posted a picture of him from just a few years ago.

Are you trying to tell me that Bigro had more muscle at 15 than he did here? So in your mind he regressed?  Is that what you are saying?   ???

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)

I think he was 17 here
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pWjNgwmXTCw/Sm2USRBlhLI/AAAAAAAAANI/rJkyR0fflTA/s320/106-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 22, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
::)
Oh, the "enlightened one" is comparing himself again.

Lets remind Getbig of what you look like off drugs  (certainly not in Uberman`s league as a natural):

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)



I'm impressed by the way Ro holds a beer glass. Note the spread out fingers and pinky curling around the base. With a grip like that you're not gonna drop the glass if a drunk bangs into you, not an uncommon occurrence in an Irish Pub.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 22, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
would you expect Jesus to be hanging out with a cheesy American grin on his face? lol

Not if he has british teeth.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 02:41:12 PM
Try to follow along genius.  Bigro said he had more muscle at 15.  So I posted a picture of him from just a few years ago.

Are you trying to tell me that Bigro had more muscle at 15 than he did here? So in your mind he regressed?  Is that what you are saying?   ???

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)

I dont have to try. I'll spell it out for you, like I did the last time you misunderstood my simple question.

A photo from a few years ago would at a guess be Ro in his late twenties? That picture would show nothing in regard to how he looked possibly a decade earlier.

I made no statement on Ro's musculature,  I'm unsure how you could have got so confused.  But since you bring it up, it is possible to regress. For all I know he took a lay off from training all together.

What I was trying to say was that using the picture you chose to, to validate your argument was pretty stupid.

Got all that?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
I dont have to try. I'll spell it out for you, like I did the last time you misunderstood my simple question.

A photo from a few years ago would at a guess be Ro in his late twenties? That picture would show nothing in regard to how he looked possibly a decade earlier.

I made no statement on Ro's musculature,  I'm unsure how you could have got so confused.  But since you bring it up, it is possible to regress. For all I know he took a lay off from training all together.

What I was trying to say was that using the picture you chose to, to validate your argument was pretty stupid.

Got all that?
You don`t regress like that if you are Lifetime Natural genius.  Unless you are bedridden.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 02:49:09 PM
Not if he has british teeth.



He's comparing that dirty old hippy to your dirty old hippy.  I'd be pissed.  ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
You don`t regress like that if you are Lifetime Natural genius.  Unless you are bedridden.

So you have provided a counter argument to your own argument? I can understand why you would class me as a genius.

I'll also add there are many other ways in which a physique can regress so much. But they are all irrelevant, I do not know about Ro's life,  and to make assumptions on it to base arguments on would lead me to look like a total tool, wouldn't it?

So basically you have just admitted it IS possible for him to have held more muscle at 15 only to lose it to that degree. Genius...
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
No.  I am calling bullshit to his claim that he had more muscle than Uberman at age 15.  Bigro certainly did not and without drugs, looks like someone who does not even workout.  

ah the bitterness in this thread.

here I am teen musclemania teen world champion 17 years old, drug free. I said better at 15 because I was big in to training at 15, those other pics I was not lifting at all nor eating big.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 02:57:55 PM
I think he was 17 here
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pWjNgwmXTCw/Sm2USRBlhLI/AAAAAAAAANI/rJkyR0fflTA/s320/106-01.jpg)

19 in this pic NPC Southern States teen winner 2002
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:00:43 PM
Quote
17 years old, drug free




(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/582/picard-facepalm.jpg)
You ve got to be completely desperate to come with such an argument- especially on here- at this point of the conversation.

So you started using steroids at 15 ....
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
why are you trying to woo these bitter bitches ?

Is he? I saw somesome ask a question totally unrelated to their personal self only to end up being attacked by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Twinks.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
I meditate but I don't attach all the new age junk to it. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
why are you trying to woo these bitter bitches ?

I don't know, I guess I feel responsible for the thread I started. Getbig has been a bit boring lately anyway :)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:06:11 PM



(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/582/picard-facepalm.jpg)
You ve got to be completely desperate to come with such an argument- especially on here- at this point of the conversation.

So you started using steroids at 15 ....
Hilarious.  So we can assume this was the culminating result of all the lasting effects of steroids he did as a teenager.

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 22, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
Try to follow along genius.  Bigro said he had more muscle at 15.  So I posted a picture of him from just a few years ago.

Are you trying to tell me that Bigro had more muscle at 15 than he did here? So in your mind he regressed?  Is that what you are saying?   ???

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)

How old was Ronan in that pic?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:07:54 PM
How old was Ronan in that pic?
30s or near 30.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: keanu on October 22, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
Yes. I've asked myself many times why I dedicate so much to being muscular. I started as a skinny youngster to fit in. Soon I was known for it, and respected for it. So these muscles are for others not myself. I would take ultimate freedom.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
I was not a juicer as a teen how many times do I have to tell you. I did one anavar cycle, used clen a few times, loved ephedrine, used T3 once, thats it. I have always been open and honest on this subject. My first injectable cycle was may 2012. The pub pictor is from early 2011.

Guys the thread was created to discuss things far beyond all this drama not that you care.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 22, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
here I am teen musclemania teen world champion 17 years old, drug free. I said better at 15 because I was big in to training at 15, those other pics I was not lifting at all nor eating big.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585285;image)

Epic Physique at 17.

It's interesting how much your physique regressed in your late 20s/early 30s.

What made you stop training?

I assume it had to do with finding Buddhism around 25 or so, or was it earlier?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 03:12:46 PM
On the bright side, you kept your hair.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 03:14:19 PM
It amuses me how TA preaches so many bodybuilder's natural status because they 'said so' yet seems totally unable to accept it from Ro.

Maybe it's something to do with Ro's proximity to him because of the board and jealousy..
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:14:32 PM
Hilarious.  So we can assume this was the culminating result of all the lasting effects of steroids he did as a teenager.

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/190432_193364224030415_7229759_n.jpg?oh=a5e58be4df05ffad09b2180a8b797eac&oe=54B4143A)

So dude has been on roids ever since he started lifting weights at 15, went off at some point in his 30s to look like an enlightened beer drinking bum who never touched a weight in his life, then ... went back to hitting the juice even harder to look like he does right now in his avatar?

Yeah I definitely need life lessons coming from a junkie who couldnt handle life without drugs.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: _aj_ on October 22, 2014, 03:14:41 PM
Guys the thread was created to discuss things far beyond all this drama not that you care.

LOL @ trying to keep a Getbig thread on topic.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:14:59 PM
I was not a juicer as a teen how many times do I have to tell you. I did one anavar cycle, used clen a few times, loved ephedrine, used T3 once, thats it. I have always been open and honest on this subject. My first injectable cycle was may 2012. The pub pictor is from early 2011.

Guys the thread was created to discuss things far beyond all this drama not that you care.
In your mind those aren`t steroids?  

HAHAHAHAHA you are a clown.  The lengths you people go to convince yourself is amazing.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: _bruce_ on October 22, 2014, 03:15:31 PM
::)

How is that ultimate freedom?  He probably stinks to high heaven.

I am sure he is miserable but just has deluded himself as most religious dumb fucks do.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
I guess I could never take the weights too seriously without it arousing my desire to bodybuild again so I seldom went to the gym. I was 20 when I stopped bodybuilding.

Quote from: Kwon_2
link=topic=553645.msg7780225#msg7780225 date=1414015907
Epic Physique at 17.

It's interesting how much your physique regressed in your late 20s/early 30s.

What made you stop training?

I assume it had to do with finding Buddhism around 25 or so, or was it earlier?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
It amuses me how TA preaches so many bodybuilder's natural status because they 'said so' yet seems totally unable to accept it from Ro.

Maybe it's something to do with Ro's proximity to him because of the board and jealousy..
::)
Because its obvious with Bigro.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:17:04 PM
In your mind those aren`t steroids?  

HAHAHAHAHA you are a clown.  The lengths you people go to convince yourself is amazing.

fuck up, read what I said, 1 6-7 week anavar cycle did not build my physique back then you twat.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585285;image)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pWjNgwmXTCw/Sm2USRBlhLI/AAAAAAAAANI/rJkyR0fflTA/s320/106-01.jpg)

As natural as a steroid junkie talking about "Spiritual enlightenment".



fuck up, read what I said, 1 6-7 week anavar cycle did not build my physique back then you twat.
You realize you re making no sense right?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
I was not a juicer as a teen how many times do I have to tell you. I did one anavar cycle, used clen a few times, loved ephedrine, used T3 once, thats it. I have always been open and honest on this subject. My first injectable cycle was may 2012. The pub pictor is from early 2011.

Guys the thread was created to discuss things far beyond all this drama not that you care.
Thats just it.  There is nothing "far beyond".  Discussing this is more valid than debating senseless mumbo jumbo.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Waller on October 22, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585285;image)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pWjNgwmXTCw/Sm2USRBlhLI/AAAAAAAAANI/rJkyR0fflTA/s320/106-01.jpg)

As natural as a steroid junkie talking about "Spiritual enlightenment".


You realize you re making no sense right?

What in your mind makes a steroid user transition to a junkie?

Or do you think anybody that uses is a junkie?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553645.0;attach=585285;image)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pWjNgwmXTCw/Sm2USRBlhLI/AAAAAAAAANI/rJkyR0fflTA/s320/106-01.jpg)

As natural as a steroid junkie talking about "Spiritual enlightenment".


You realize you re making no sense right?
Somehow Anavar and all that other shit he took doesn`t count and he was therefore natural.   ::)

Epic rationalization.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
Somehow Anavar and all that other shit he took doesn`t count and he was therefore natural.   ::)

Epic rationalization.
it's not rationalization it's compulsive lying when you re losing ground in an argument.

I think it's safe to say "big mo-Ro-n" will have to meditate a lot to find inner peace again after this thread...
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:22:50 PM
fuck up, read what I said, 1 6-7 week anavar cycle did not build my physique back then you twat.
So anavar is considered natural.  Learn something new everyday.  ::)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
it's not rationalization it's compulsive lying.
He is so fucked in the head its crazy.  He has been mega-dosing and yet can`t bring himself to admit it.  It fits perfectly with this thread and his want and need for epic self-delusion.  These type of people are dangerous and the type ISIS and extremist like to recruit.  He does have those Muslim sympathies already so I would not be surprised if we are one day reading about some bearded Irishman waging jihad in Syria. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:26:07 PM
it's not rationalization it's compulsive lying when you re losing ground in an argument.

I think it's safe to say "big mo-Ro-n" will have to meditate a lot to find inner peace again after this thread...
He will never have peace as long as a syringe is hanging out of his butt.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
 

So anavar is considered natural.  Learn something new everyday.  ::)

no but I did not build the base of muscle with that, and it was after the two pics posted here.

The thread is derailed. At least argue about your god of science and reason.

You haven't scratched the surface of me nor will you.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:27:44 PM

no but I did not build the base of muscle with that, and it was after the two pics posted here.

The thread is derailed.
At least argue about your god of science and reason.

You haven't scratched the surface of me nor will you.

No, it went exactly where it was supposed to go and so do you.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
so bigro states the cycles he used, then says he wasn't juicing. wow, just wow lol.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:28:44 PM

no but I did not build the base of muscle with that, and it was after the two pics posted here.

The thread is derailed. At least argue about your god of science and reason.

You haven't scratched the surface of me nor will you.
So why did you call yourself natural then, when its clear you used a host of drugs as you admitted?  Why do that?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:30:22 PM
so bigro states the cycles he used, then says he wasn't juicing. wow, just wow lol.
Crazy isn`t it. Really can`t believe anything he says at this point.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
So why did you call yourself natural then, when its clear you used a host of drugs as you admitted?  Why do that?

At this point it's like beating a dead horse or more like an handicapped in a weelchair, not funny anymore.

"You haven't scratched the surface of me nor will you."

Yeah, we definitely havent scratched the surface of who he is, exposing him for the insecure mental midget on tons of steroids he is.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:31:43 PM
I said drug free under the 17 year old picture as that statement holds 100 percent true there.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:31:49 PM
At this point it's like beating a dead horse, not funny anymore.

"You haven't scratched the surface of me nor will you."

Yeah, we definitely havent scratched the surface of who he is, exposing him for the insecure mental midget on tons of steroids he is.
hahahahhaha Brutal and true.  
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 03:33:03 PM
I said drug free under the 17 year old picture as that statement holds 100 percent true there.



I was not a juicer as a teen how many times do I have to tell you. I did one anavar cycle, used clen a few times, loved ephedrine, used T3 once, thats it.

17 and 18 year old are teenage years, you said you used the above cycles. therefore, you juiced as a teen.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
ok fine if your being 100 percent strict then that is not true is it, I did not build the muscular base with drugs that is true though.  Juicing is running a proper cycle for at least a few months with test etc.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:34:49 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7kfufL9E21rs3zxi.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:35:21 PM
I was not a juicer as a teen how many times do I have to tell you. I did one anavar cycle, used clen a few times, loved ephedrine, used T3 once, thats it.

17 and 18 year old are teenage years, you said you used the above cycles. therefore, you juiced as a teen.
There is no telling what else he used, he lies so much.  Its clear he is mega-dosing these days but he wants everyone to believe its just a minor amount.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
ok fine if your being 100 percent strict then that is not true is it, I did not build the muscular base with drugs that is true though.  Juicing is running a proper cycle for at least a few months with test etc.
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOO

He just doesn`t quit.

So being natural is now defined as using drugs, any amount, but just not in a "proper cycle".

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:36:47 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7kfufL9E21rs3zxi.jpg)

no mate get the fuck out of my thread cheers.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 03:37:44 PM
Can't wait to hear him share his thoughts on spiritual enlightenment when he ll be bed ridden in an hospital after frying an organ. And back to his 130 lbs self.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:38:41 PM
Can't wait to hear him share his thoughts on spiritual enlightenment when he ll be bed ridden in an hospital after frying an organ. And back to his 130 lbs self.
Look on the bright side though, you only need one kidney to meditate I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 03:38:57 PM
There is no telling what else he used, he lies so much.  Its clear he is mega-dosing these days but he wants everyone to believe its just a minor amount.

I talk about my doses etc in the training thread.

Have you 3 fucks enjoyed yourselves tonight? Are we done now?  
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2014, 03:39:11 PM
There is no telling what else he used, he lies so much.  Its clear he is mega-dosing these days but he wants everyone to believe its just a minor amount.

Some steroid users are just too funny. That is how many of them justify that they are natural. Since they only use a little "test" they are still natural  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 22, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
Some steroid users are just too funny. That is how many of them justify that they are natural. Since they only use a little "test" they are still natural  ::) ::)
Bigro has the most interesting definition of Natural yet. You are Natural as long as the drugs taken aren`t done in "Proper Cycle" format.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: O.Z. on October 22, 2014, 03:44:28 PM
if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi




You went in the opposite direction. Any reason for that?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: the trainer on October 22, 2014, 03:47:43 PM
TA is a very arrogant guy. I'm not sure why though. Has he accomplished something I'm not aware of? As far as I can tell, he hasn't done much of anything.

You are wrong if you give adonis an apron and some cooking ingredients he can accomplished something, he does have a place in this world and that is in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The Ugly on October 22, 2014, 04:09:24 PM
your playing with words here now.

Isn't that sorta what all this "ultimate freedom," "transcendence," "enlightenment" fuckery is all about?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 22, 2014, 04:13:47 PM
call it as you wish.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 04:28:18 PM
I would trade that old timer gurus freedom for a full head of hair.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: MisterMagoo on October 22, 2014, 04:57:00 PM
everyone does what they do in order to be happy. people get jobs to earn money in order to buy things that make them happy. they work out to look good so they feel happy about their appearances and attract the sexual attention of others for gratification. they take drugs and jump out of airplanes in order to get a brief rush of happiness.

the question in the thread here is: would you trade that which you hope will make you happy for the happiness itself.

the answer is yes. i would agree to be a head floating in a jar if i could be guaranteed happiness.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Natural Man on October 22, 2014, 04:59:57 PM

the answer is yes. i would agree to be a head floating in a jar if i could be guaranteed happiness.
might consider travelling to the middle east then.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: the trainer on October 22, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
urbertwink is such a bitter little fuck he hates himself for being a skinny twink so he bashes bodybuilders who juices to make himself feel better
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: MisterMagoo on October 22, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
might consider travelling to the middle east then.

did the middle east recently create the technology to make eternally blissful heads in jars? if not, i'm not exactly sure what point you're attempting to make here.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: O.Z. on October 22, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
everyone does what they do in order to be happy. people get jobs to earn money in order to buy things that make them happy. they work out to look good so they feel happy about their appearances and attract the sexual attention of others for gratification. they take drugs and jump out of airplanes in order to get a brief rush of happiness.

the question in the thread here is: would you trade that which you hope will make you happy for the happiness itself.

the answer is yes. i would agree to be a head floating in a jar if i could be guaranteed happiness.


I believe this is about inner peace not happiness. Big Ro has found happiness in building big muscles, Simon has found happiness in trolling Groink, etc. But happiness is temporary.
Big Ro is considering to find his inner peace again which he had before.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Archer77 on October 22, 2014, 05:20:40 PM
did the middle east recently create the technology to make eternally blissful heads in jars? if not, i'm not exactly sure what point you're attempting to make here.

They've mastered the head severing part but the eternal bliss jars have a few kinks left in them
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Your Average GymRat on October 22, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
i've said it before i'll say it again

the ideal life is winning big in the lottory


not telling ANYONE

quitting your job

living a life of sleeping late, relaxing and bodybuilding, some travel, whores and such


keep telling everybody how hard you are working

if you have a wife buy second house (much better than your main one)

where you relax all day while you claim to be busting your nuts at work, no time to exercise even at night! (you do this in the day lol)

put cameras in main house to spie on wife, if she cheat you kick her ass to tha streets
Nice to daydream while your son lays dying.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The Scott on October 22, 2014, 07:20:18 PM
Looks more freeloader than freedom.

Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 22, 2014, 09:25:48 PM
if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi



-Probably not. While he looks pretty content, I also am very content with my life just as it is. There are many roads to happiness and contentment. Fortunately, most people will never have to make the choice you suggest.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 22, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
BigRow, I am able to levitate 15-20 feet off the ground while meditating.  Do you have any questions?

Always wanted to know how to do that. It seems like it would be a wild experience. So far, I've only been successful at this while sleeping.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 22, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
"…a man never is happy, but spends his whole life in striving after something which he thinks will make him so; he seldom attains his goal, and when he does, it is only to be disappointed; he is mostly shipwrecked in the end, and comes into harbor with mast and rigging gone. And then, it is all one whether he has been happy or miserable; for his life was never anything more than a present moment always vanishing; and now it is over."

Arthur Schopenhauer
i remember i thought as a natural when i deadlift 5 plates it will be special

when i finally did it was the biggest disappointment

it just felt like any other lift :-\
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 12:10:41 AM

I believe this is about inner peace not happiness. Big Ro has found happiness in building big muscles, Simon has found happiness in trolling Groink, etc. But happiness is temporary.
]Big Ro is considering to find his inner peace again which he had before.

I have been meditating alot more the last four months after loosing the winning buzz at my last contest, so in a way I gained just what I needed.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 12:12:36 AM

I believe this is about inner peace not happiness. Big Ro has found happiness in building big muscles, Simon has found happiness in trolling Groink, etc. But happiness is temporary.
Big Ro is considering to find his inner peace again which he had before.
Groinks finished, my work is done.  ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
I have been meditating alot more the last four months after loosing the winning buzz at my last contest, so in a way I gained just what I needed.

When was that contest? How long did it take you to lose the "winning buzz" you got from it? Does the meditating help?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
What I meant was I had either won or came second in all my shows since returning to bodybuilding. At the nabba worlds I was not even placed in the top 6. It made me more introspective.

Meditation gives me a great deal of fulfilment. Its remarkable that something so simple (and seemingly lazy to the uneducated) can bring such joy.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 12:22:31 AM
BigRow, I am able to levitate 15-20 feet off the ground while meditating.  Do you have any questions?

your just propping yourself up on your big erect penis.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Simple Simon on October 23, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
What I meant was I had either won or came second in all my shows since returning to bodybuilding. At the nabba worlds I was not even placed in the top 6. It made me more introspective.

Meditation gives me a great deal of fulfilment. Its remarkable that something so simple (and seemingly lazy to the uneducated) can bring such joy.

It got to the point when I was competing that I didnt really care where I placed, I just did my best got onstage and let the chips fall.
My last show I placed 3rd, a few people said I should have won, (I know, we all get that), I just said, it means more to win to the guy who won than it would have done to me so good luck to him, let him enjoy it.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: local hero on October 23, 2014, 01:13:18 AM
BigRow, I am able to levitate 15-20 feet off the ground while meditating.  Do you have any questions?



How many essex girls does it take to change a lightbulb?
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 23, 2014, 01:34:23 AM
Somehow Anavar and all that other shit he took doesn`t count and he was therefore natural.   ::)

Epic rationalization.

You have to understand, that in Ireland, not drinking means just drinking beer.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 01:45:03 AM
fuckface Adonis using his epic scientific skills to show that one 6 week anavar cycle age 19 built my whole physique back then and therefore I am all drugs.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 23, 2014, 02:19:30 AM
fuckface Adonis using his epic scientific skills to show that one 6 week anavar cycle age 19 built my whole physique back then and therefore I am all drugs.

Don't sweat it, man.

Adonis' trolling skills could turn Gandhi into an ax murderer.

In fact, legend has it that Gandhi's last words were, "I'll rip Adonis' balls off and shove them down his throat!"
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: gracie bjj on October 23, 2014, 02:26:59 AM
NO WAY,i need my sports car,my gym,my pussy,my anabolics ect, imo i believe u can still have alot of peace in your heart and still have materialistic posessions,just a matter of your mind frame and how u look at things.nothing against that guy tho on first page,if that works for him thats awesome and more power to him
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: local hero on October 23, 2014, 03:18:05 AM
fuckface Adonis using his epic scientific skills to show that one 6 week anavar cycle age 19 built my whole physique back then and therefore I am all drugs.


Many are crushed when faced with superior being...
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: _aj_ on October 23, 2014, 03:44:35 AM
Don't sweat it, man.

Adonis' trolling skills could turn Gandhi into an ax murderer.

In fact, legend has it that Gandhi's last words were, "I'll rip Adonis' balls off and shove them down his throat!"

QFT
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 03:47:09 AM

Many are crushed when faced with superior being...

all this talk of his epic trolling skills are just blowing up his ego. Fact is he is jealous I looked better as a teen than he does after decades of training.  :D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: keanu on October 23, 2014, 07:10:01 AM
This thread is hilarious. Adonis himself has been busted asking for drug advise back in 2005. He looked lightyears better then he does now. He got up to 235 lbs, a 600 lbs deadlift then went crashing to 160lbs of bone at 6 ft tall. Adonis outed Uberman not too long ago, stalked him and now the two are in bed together. Only on Getbig... :'(
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 23, 2014, 11:44:18 AM
This thread is hilarious. Adonis himself has been busted asking for drug advise back in 2005. He looked lightyears better then he does now. He got up to 235 lbs, a 600 lbs deadlift then went crashing to 160lbs of bone at 6 ft tall. Adonis outed Uberman not too long ago, stalked him and now the two are in bed together. Only on Getbig... :'(
None of these things ever happened.  ::)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: The True Adonis on October 23, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
You have to understand, that in Ireland, not drinking means just drinking beer.
ROFLMAO!!!

Makes perfect sense then actually. 
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: the trainer on October 23, 2014, 11:50:58 AM
I would not be shocked if adonis secretly did a couple of light cycles over the years then pretends to be natural he seems like the type of person that would do this.
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
your just propping yourself up on your big erect penis.

LOL! Actually, I think people most often levitate facing up....in which case they'd probably have to prop themselves up on someone else's big erect penis. And of course, that would be cheating.  ;D
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: BigRo on October 23, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
LOL! Actually, I think people most often levitate facing up....in which case they'd probably have to prop themselves up on someone else's big erect penis. And of course, that would be cheating.  ;D

you wouldnt mind that old man :)
Title: Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2014, 02:47:47 PM
you wouldnt mind that old man :)

Ha, ha. I would prefer to levitate completely on my own. I sure wouldn't want to risk some giant dick slipping into my asshole by accident, despite what some folks here imagine. Death by impalement doesn't sound very pleasant.  :o