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Still low carbing/hi fat during the week and eating anywhere from 1500 - 1900 cals on average. This diet im just using 200mg a week. No GH. The tightness is not there this time. Still flabby but scale weight is dropping quick. The hardness is just not there. Any solutions? Im an endo. I allow 24hrs where i can eat what i want but might need to drop that? I want a year round leanness but i dont think its genetically possible the longer i tinker with my body
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Mon to Fri: 3 balanced meals a day of 50-60 g carbs, 40-50 g protein and 15 g fats. A bit of fruit when you are starving.
Sat-Sun: Eat what you want in moderation.
Try for a few weeks and thank me later.
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Try Nazi concentration camp diet ;)
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Mon to Fri: 3 balanced meals a day of 50-60 g carbs, 40-50 g protein and 15 g fats. A bit of fruit when you are starving.
Sat-Sun: Eat what you want in moderation.
Try for a few weeks and thank me later.
Thanks mate, i might try this.
Ive always heard low carb is how to get "hard" but im not seeing this yet
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Thanks mate, i might try this.
Ive always heard low carb is how to get "hard" but im not seeing this yet
Low carb is how you burn off fullness. It's all about carb cycling adding carbs when you get to flat and keeping metab rates up. If you keep dieting in low cals especially low carbs your body is going to adapt to it and slow down and stall. Then no matter what you do your not going to get lean and keep your size. Drugs play a huge helping hand but your not taking enough to play a big roll
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Low carb is how you burn off fullness. It's all about carb cycling adding carbs when you get to flat and keeping metab rates up. If you keep dieting in low cals especially low carbs your body is going to adapt to it and slow down and stall. Then no matter what you do your not going to get lean and keep your size. Drugs play a huge helping hand but your not taking enough to play a big roll
So low cals in the range im at, but add carbs in certain days?
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So low cals in the range im at, but add carbs in certain days?
Ya like say for a heavy compound day such as leg or back day. For me after high carb days my Metabolism would speed up and in 2 or 3 days I'd flatten really hard so I'd add like 40g of carbs to every meal. It can be trick and helps if someone can look at you. After a while you can start reading your body
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Still low carbing/hi fat during the week and eating anywhere from 1500 - 1900 cals on average. This diet im just using 200mg a week. No GH. The tightness is not there this time. Still flabby but scale weight is dropping quick. The hardness is just not there. Any solutions? Im an endo. I allow 24hrs where i can eat what i want but might need to drop that? I want a year round leanness but i dont think its genetically possible the longer i tinker with my body
Is the gear real or fake?
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Ya like say for a heavy compound day such as leg or back day. For me after high carb days my Metabolism would speed up and in 2 or 3 days I'd flatten really hard so I'd add like 40g of carbs to every meal. It can be trick and helps if someone can look at you. After a while you can start reading your body
Seems kind of advanced tthough man,
How much cardio you doing?
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Still low carbing/hi fat during the week and eating anywhere from 1500 - 1900 cals on average. This diet im just using 200mg a week. No GH. The tightness is not there this time. Still flabby but scale weight is dropping quick. The hardness is just not there. Any solutions? Im an endo. I allow 24hrs where i can eat what i want but might need to drop that? I want a year round leanness but i dont think its genetically possible the longer i tinker with my body
use DNP for a while. Then use ECA for a while to help with appetite suppression and energy during workouts. Then if you want, switch out to clen and t3. You should be decently shredded by then. Of course cardio a long the way as well.
As a natural endo it will be hard for you to stay really lean year round without GH. The best bodybuilders are actually the skinny ectos who respond well to drugs, because they can put on size without getting fat. Alternatively, you can just photoshop your instagram pics and no one will be the wiser.
All drugs :D
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Seems kind of advanced tthough man,
How much cardio you doing?
Well I don't know your body type but 30 to 40 mins hitt 5 days a week would be fine
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Still low carbing/hi fat during the week and eating anywhere from 1500 - 1900 cals on average. This diet im just using 200mg a week. No GH. The tightness is not there this time. Still flabby but scale weight is dropping quick. The hardness is just not there. Any solutions? Im an endo. I allow 24hrs where i can eat what i want but might need to drop that? I want a year round leanness but i dont think its genetically possible the longer i tinker with my body
losing muscle mass?
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losing muscle mass?
Not too bad just not improving in composistion
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Not too bad just not improving in composistion
If you want to pm me I'd be willing to help you out
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If you want to pm me I'd be willing to help you out
It's a trap.
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Cycle carbs,no fat,tons of water,train insane.
You can`t flex fat and we get more than enough of it in our diets even while eating clean.
Fat = calorie dense.
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Cycle carbs,no fat,tons of water,train insane.
You can`t flex fat and we get more than enough of it in our diets even while eating clean.
Fat = calorie dense.
Ok see this is why im confused Wes. According to keto and Anabolic diet lore, its carbs making us fat. As they produce insulin. Also, you mention carb cycling, but on days you dont eat carbs, you still limit fats?
My beef with eating the low fat way, is you still have to watch calories, same with hi fat diets. Howver, its way easier to over eat with carbs than fat. Fat may be more dense but it does fill u up and u eat less calories total. Thats why keto apparently works.
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You're fat dude, it's going to take a while.
8)
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Ok see this is why im confused Wes. According to keto and Anabolic diet lore, its carbs making us fat. As they produce insulin. Also, you mention carb cycling, but on days you dont eat carbs, you still limit fats?
My beef with eating the low fat way, is you still have to watch calories, same with hi fat diets. Howver, its way easier to over eat with carbs than fat. Fat may be more dense but it does fill u up and u eat less calories total. Thats why keto apparently works.
7 weeks in your diet supposedly isn't working. Why not listen to a guys whose been there / done that multiple times.
Either way, you overthink this stuff. Exercise hard enough, eat less and decent and you'll get lean, macro combos won't matter.
Still think you're just trolling us though.
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dieting is simple unless you're trying to get stage ready. no voodoo involved. x 10-12 bodyweight in calories, moderate carbs, moderate protein and low - medium fat.
just listen to wes and leave us the fuck alone ;D
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Ok see this is why im confused Wes. According to keto and Anabolic diet lore, its carbs making us fat. As they produce insulin. Also, you mention carb cycling, but on days you dont eat carbs, you still limit fats?
My beef with eating the low fat way, is you still have to watch calories, same with hi fat diets. Howver, its way easier to over eat with carbs than fat. Fat may be more dense but it does fill u up and u eat less calories total. Thats why keto apparently works.
FUCK FAT,Fuck Keto........try the "WES DIET" !!!! ;0
Meal #1 :
10 eggwhites cooked in non-fat cooking spray
1 whole egg
12 oz. water
Meal #2 :
1 can water packed tuna (straight out da` can)
lg. green salad with Fat Freee Low sugar dressing
12 oz. water
Meal #3 :
6 oz. skinless chicken breast
1 cup of rice or a baked potato (use fake butter spray)
2 cups veggies
12 oz. water
Meal #4 :
Post workout skake in water (put this in the mix after you train)
Meal #5 :
6 whole eggs scrambled in PAM spray
12 oz. water
Meal # 6:
Whey in water
Never eat carbs before training or you will burn these carbs as fuel as opposed to the much better scenario of burning your own bodyfat.
Walk on an inclined treadmill 5-6 days post-workout at various speeds and heights..........mix it up.
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7 weeks in your diet supposedly isn't working. Why not listen to a guys whose been there / done that multiple times.
Either way, you overthink this stuff. Exercise hard enough, eat less and decent and you'll get lean, macro combos won't matter.
Still think you're just trolling us though.
No trolling man, just an endo on a quest for hardness and keep it year round. So tired of needing to starve for 10 weeks just for one beach trip. I wanna be beach reay all summer
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No cheat meals until you get to 5 % bodyfat.......get serious and you`ll be shredded beyond your wildest dreams.
If it was easy,everyone would be ripped!!!
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FUCK FAT,Fuck Keto........try the "WES DIET" !!!! ;0
Meal #1 :
10 eggwhites cooked in non-fat cooking spray
1 whole egg
12 oz. water
Meal #2 :
1 can water packed tuna (straight out da` can)
lg. green salad with Fat Freee Low sugar dressing
12 oz. water
Meal #3 :
6 oz. skinless chicken breast
1 cup of rice or a baked potato (use fake butter spray)
2 cups veggies
12 oz. water
Meal #4 :
Post workout skake in water (put this in the mix after you train)
Meal #5 :
6 whole eggs scrambled in PAM spray
12 oz. water
Meal # 6:
Whey in water
Never eat carbs before training or you will burn these carbs as fuel as opposed to the much better scenario of burning your own bodyfat.
Walk on an inclined treadmill 5-6 days post-workout at various speeds and heights..........mix it up.
Thanks man, do u ever do cheat meals to stay sane here?
Also, maybe 7 weeks is too quick to notice much. I was probably at 15-16 percent. No Lard, just fluffy.
Also, why do u feel keto is bad? Id hate to ditch the anabolic diet after almost 3 months of it (only 7 weeks of low cal dieting though)
Maybe get lean with your approach and then really limit carbs to maintain, but increase the cals? The goal here is a lifestyle that an endo can use to get and StAY lean
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FUCK FAT,Fuck Keto........try the "WES DIET" !!!! ;0
Meal #1 :
10 eggwhites cooked in non-fat cooking spray
1 whole egg
12 oz. water
Meal #2 :
1 can water packed tuna (straight out da` can)
lg. green salad with Fat Freee Low sugar dressing
12 oz. water
Meal #3 :
6 oz. skinless chicken breast
1 cup of rice or a baked potato (use fake butter spray)
2 cups veggies
12 oz. water
Meal #4 :
Post workout skake in water (put this in the mix after you train)
Meal #5 :
6 whole eggs scrambled in PAM spray
12 oz. water
Meal # 6:
Whey in water
Never eat carbs before training or you will burn these carbs as fuel as opposed to the much better scenario of burning your own bodyfat.
Walk on an inclined treadmill 5-6 days post-workout at various speeds and heights..........mix it up.
This method certainly goes against the 'Adonis Principles' and 'The NoOne -Galeniko Principles' , I would not hit .
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This method certainly goes against the 'Adonis Principles' and 'The NoOne -Galeniko Principles' , I would not hit .
Too much food? Yes im actually curious what the calorie content is of this.
Also, the hardest part about high carb low fat is eating out with family. Its hard to find low fat options, as even carb stuff is covered with butters and oils. High fat low carbs are much easier when eating out. Order steak or chicken and and its already covered in butter. So easy
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I am confused. You say nothing is happening by the scale weight is dropping fast. Isn't that something?
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I am confused. You say nothing is happening by the scale weight is dropping fast. Isn't that something?
Its weird man, the scale has dropped about 10 lbs in 7 weeks, but stalled out. Ive dieted down to 195 last cut and looked amazing. Im 200 now, and no where near looking like i did at 195. I dont think another 5lb loss is gonna help.
Im looking into carb cycling now, but not sure how to set it up. In my opinion after doing the AD, i think it works in principle but would work better once im lean enough. At the present time, maybe CKD would be best
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You can keep your diet the same and throw in another cardio session in the morning or night. That should kick start your fat loss again.
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Anyone just done a standard 40/40/20?
Is it enough for an endo to just use a diet like this with 2000 cals and see epic fatloss like all the forums are saying? Id probably really up my cardio on this since id probably just feel better over all.
The keto shit is really turning me into an asshole and extreme brain fog. Not worth it. Im also binging alot on "refeed" days which turn into pizza meals.
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Absolutely anyone can stay lean and muscular year round.. Its much harder for some than others but NO ONE has a legitimate excuse
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Absolutely anyone can stay lean and muscular year round.. Its much harder for some than others but NO ONE has a legitimate excuse
I agree. I have the ability to buckle down. Im never lettinng myself "bulk" again. Its so much headache for endos, unless they are secure with themselves and dont care about double chins and tits.
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Anyone just done a standard 40/40/20?
Is it enough for an endo to just use a diet like this with 2000 cals and see epic fatloss like all the forums are saying? Id probably really up my cardio on this since id probably just feel better over all.
The keto shit is really turning me into an asshole and extreme brain fog. Not worth it. Im also binging alot on "refeed" days which turn into pizza meals.
That is the middle ground approach I think many people could do very well on. If possible, 2 of the 6 meals, 0 carbs. Just that, can really clean a person up and look good.
Fuck this keto shit unless you enjoy that (some just thrive on that and respond best to it...) or are competing.
If training hard, doing a bit of cardio and taking gear, I have a hard time believing that won't work.
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That is the middle ground approach I think many people could do very well on. If possible, 2 of the 6 meals, 0 carbs. Just that, can really clean a person up and look good.
Fuck this keto shit unless you enjoy that (some just thrive on that and respond best to it...) or are competing.
If training hard, doing a bit of cardio and taking gear, I have a hard time believing that won't work.
And a calorie defecit though rigt? Im only on TRT pharma grade though.
My impression of keto, is two things
1. Works real well if your totally fat and want to drop alot but not exactly look good and need to get healthy again. Like someone who needs to lose 100 lbs
2. Someone 2-3 weeks out from a show or beAch and is already below 10 percent
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And a calorie defecit though rigt? Im only on TRT pharma grade though.
My impression of keto, is two things
1. Works real well if your totally fat and want to drop alot but not exactly look good and need to get healthy again. Like someone who needs to lose 100 lbs
2. Someone 2-3 weeks out from a show or beAch and is already below 10 percent
Well ya, if you wanna lose weight. Or even 40 protein, 40 carbs, 20 fats is a good macro ratio you coul try, don't even worry about cals, aim x amount of this and that at certain times of the day.
That's why I would not follow the 404020 thing to a T, but is a good baseline approach to get started and make adjustments.
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Low carb is how you burn off fullness. It's all about carb cycling adding carbs when you get to flat and keeping metab rates up. If you keep dieting in low cals especially low carbs your body is going to adapt to it and slow down and stall. Then no matter what you do your not going to get lean and keep your size. Drugs play a huge helping hand but your not taking enough to play a big roll
Just shut up.
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Just shut up.
That facts not really even up for debate. Your going to tell me if I go Keto 1600 cals a day 1hr of cardio im not going to kill my metab and my body isn't going to start to burn muscle? Come on
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That facts not really even up for debate. Your going to tell me if I go Keto 1600 cals a day 1hr of cardio im not going to kill my metab and my body isn't going to start to burn muscle? Come on
Said the guy who stepped onstage with fat hams and glutes.
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Try Nazi concentration camp diet ;)
aka the Cleanest Natural doctrine.
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aka the Cleanest Natural doctrine.
& the best of all nobody was complaining about Nazi menu 8)
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So if i was operating on the anabolic diet for 7-8 weeks in a pretty decent defecit of 600 cals or so, can i just revert to a 40/40/20 today as long as calories remain constant?
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it's very simple. Always have high glycemic carbs pre and post workout and have low glycemic carbs rest of the day. On non training days I limit carbs to around 33grams which is twice a week. No cheat days or meals either just stick with the diet and get it over with.
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Said the guy who stepped onstage with fat hams and glutes.
You can kiss my fatass ;)
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You can kiss my fatass ;)
bearing in mind your dosage, thats nothing to be proud of.
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So if i was operating on the anabolic diet for 7-8 weeks in a pretty decent defecit of 600 cals or so, can i just revert to a 40/40/20 today as long as calories remain constant?
why not try that? It's a middle ground approach.
33 grams of carbs on non training days Kev? Unless doing a show, why do this???
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bearing in mind your dosage, thats nothing to be proud of.
What was my dose then?
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What was my dose then?
I shudder to think bearing in mind the year round stack you quoted before you "got serious"
If you want a moderate stack that you should take year round I like
1200 sus
500 deca
600 eq
50 Abombs for strength
You have to watch the eq as it with raise you blood cell count and for some that's how blood pressure shoots up. It would be the only one I "cycle"
If you feel like getting a little crazy throw on 400mg tren e. Shit works wonders
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I shudder to think bearing in mind the year round stack you quoted before you "got serious"
That was what I recommend. Not what I took. Right now in only in 1g sus and 600eg. This is the most I've ever taken
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FUCK FAT,Fuck Keto........try the "WES DIET" !!!! ;0
Meal #1 :
10 eggwhites cooked in non-fat cooking spray
1 whole egg
12 oz. water
Meal #2 :
1 can water packed tuna (straight out da` can)
lg. green salad with Fat Freee Low sugar dressing
12 oz. water
Meal #3 :
6 oz. skinless chicken breast
1 cup of rice or a baked potato (use fake butter spray)
2 cups veggies
12 oz. water
Meal #4 :
Post workout skake in water (put this in the mix after you train)
Meal #5 :
6 whole eggs scrambled in PAM spray
12 oz. water
Meal # 6:
Whey in water
Never eat carbs before training or you will burn these carbs as fuel as opposed to the much better scenario of burning your own bodyfat.
Walk on an inclined treadmill 5-6 days post-workout at various speeds and heights..........mix it up.
I'm estimating:
10 egg whites: 170
1 egg: 70
1 can tuna: 180
Salad/dressing: 120
6oz chicken breast: 190
1c rice: 220
2c veggies: 40
Shake: 200
6 eggs: 420
Whey: 150
Total: 1760 calories
Would you say that's close estimate? The shake, whey, and veggies could be way off, since you don't list quantities or type, but I figure the rest should be close.
Seems really low -- I'm dying on 2200-2400 cals, though I estimate I burn 600-800 cals between my two daily workouts.
Is this a long-term sustainable diet, or strictly for weight loss?
How close to your workout is meal 3?
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You can kiss my fatass ;)
Is that your stage condition, achieved through carb cycling, etc?
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why not try that? It's a middle ground approach.
33 grams of carbs on non training days Kev? Unless doing a show, why do this???
Only reason I'm doing it is because I'm trying to get to 7-8% for summer and trying to do it in 8 weeks. If I had more time say 12-16 weeks I would take a much different and slower approach.
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So if i was operating on the anabolic diet for 7-8 weeks in a pretty decent defecit of 600 cals or so, can i just revert to a 40/40/20 today as long as calories remain constant?
You don't need an anabolic diet or any of that bullshit. Dieting is very simple to me now that I have a good prep coach. You cycle carbs based on the days you train and start of with cardio and slowly add in more every week.
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You don't need an anabolic diet or any of that bullshit. Dieting is very simple to me now that I have a good prep coach. You cycle carbs based on the days you train and start of with cardio and slowly add in more every week.
That's pretty much it.
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Is that your stage condition, achieved through carb cycling, etc?
Yep befire I fucked it all up over carbing and not pulling enough water 196 there. I'm not going to bs you and say I was stupid shredded in all honestly I need 2 or 3 more weeks to come in ready. But based off my starting point It was pretty amazing what I was able to do in 12 weeks
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U gonna try and maintain that level of conditioning now ^
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high fat?
I wonder why it's not working
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Yep befire I fucked it all up over carbing and not pulling enough water 196 there. I'm not going to bs you and say I was stupid shredded in all honestly I need 2 or 3 more weeks to come in ready. But based off my starting point It was pretty amazing what I was able to do in 12 weeks
Congrats, that is an impressive change.
- could you maintain this condition permanently?
- do you NEED to carb cycle to get in this condition?
- how many cals daily?
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Congrats, that is an impressive change.
- could you maintain this condition permanently?
- do you NEED to carb cycle to get in this condition?
- how many cals daily?
Could I sure. Could you and be productive person no. I couldn't. I'll stay leaner some where in-between those two pics. I'm 35lbs heavier now. I was 217 in that fat pic. I'm 230 now.
Yes carb cycling was and is very important
I was on 2000ish but would carb cycle between 2200 to 1800
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I look like this year round and I have no idea what carb cycling means.
(http://s1.postimg.org/liwaxducv/215lbs_05_05_2015_at_18_44.jpg)
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I look like this year round and I have no idea what carb cycling means.
(http://s1.postimg.org/liwaxducv/215lbs_05_05_2015_at_18_44.jpg)
You look great for a 160lb mpd guy.
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Cliff's notes for those who don't want to read it all:
TM: I'm having trouble with my diet
Navy Mike "Oh, I'll post some pics of myself again"
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Cliff's notes for those who don't want to read it all:
TM: I'm having trouble with my diet
Navy Mike "Oh, I'll post some pics of myself again"
ROFl!
Ok posters so i started on the low fat model, but get this
Today ive had
1 cup oats and 1 tablespoon fish oil.
Already that puts me at 27g fat. My limit is like 48 for the day to stay around 20% of macros.
Worried that doesnt leave much for heart healthy fats left.
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You look great for a 160lb mpd guy.
Wait until you are my age, you will look like the fucking Michelin man ;D
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DON`T CHEAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111
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Wtf, this is my thread,,,why are shirtless muscle men pics winding up in here?
Again, for low fat diet gurus, please see my last post...i am confused
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Wtf, this is my thread,,,why are shirtless muscle men pics winding up in here?
Again, for low fat diet gurus, please see my last post...i am confused
Less calories, more exercise.
Confusion over.
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maybe you can hire chris aceto
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ROFl!
Ok posters so i started on the low fat model, but get this
Today ive had
1 cup oats and 1 tablespoon fish oil.
Already that puts me at 27g fat. My limit is like 48 for the day to stay around 20% of macros.
Worried that doesnt leave much for heart healthy fats left.
Yo boss,please list a typical days meal plan for you so that we get a clearer picture of what in hell you`re doing.
TIA
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Yo boss,please list a typical days meal plan for you so that we get a clearer picture of what in hell you`re doing.
TIA
Well just started on low fat diet around 1900-2000 cals, 40/40/20
Havnt gotten it all sorted out but this is typical for me
1 Cup oats
1 table spoon fish oil
Tilapia or chicken
1 Cup brown rice
Greens
1-2 Quest bar
1 cup oats or gluten free brown rice cereal with a protein shake or egg whites
Dinner of chicken or fish sometimes shrimp
Quinoa, rice, or sweet potato
Greens
Thats basically it. Quests are just there since i am traveling alot and need something quick and fairly clean
So with oats, quest, chicken/fish and fish oil, im already breaking 50g of fat so i dunno how to keep it lower than that. Even a cup of oats has fat in it
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Well just started on low fat diet around 1900-2000 cals, 40/40/20
Havnt gotten it all sorted out but this is typical for me
1 Cup oats
1 table spoon fish oil
Tilapia or chicken
1 Cup brown rice
Greens
1-2 Quest bar
1 cup oats or gluten free brown rice cereal with a protein shake or egg whites
Dinner of chicken or fish sometimes shrimp
Quinoa, rice, or sweet potato
Greens
Thats basically it. Quests are just there since i am traveling alot and need something quick and fairly clean
So with oats, quest, chicken/fish and fish oil, im already breaking 50g of fat so i dunno how to keep it lower than that. Even a cup of oats has fat in it
just eat some food.
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Well just started on low fat diet around 1900-2000 cals, 40/40/20
Havnt gotten it all sorted out but this is typical for me
1 Cup oats
1 table spoon fish oil
Tilapia or chicken
1 Cup brown rice
Greens
1-2 Quest bar
1 cup oats or gluten free brown rice cereal with a protein shake or egg whites
Dinner of chicken or fish sometimes shrimp
Quinoa, rice, or sweet potato
Greens
Thats basically it. Quests are just there since i am traveling alot and need something quick and fairly clean
So with oats, quest, chicken/fish and fish oil, im already breaking 50g of fat so i dunno how to keep it lower than that. Even a cup of oats has fat in it
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/4355/1145798-941670_937204_facepalm_implied_super_super.jpg)
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(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/4355/1145798-941670_937204_facepalm_implied_super_super.jpg)
Whats wrong bro? Looks like fairly standard cutting diet? Oh forgot to mention whey with the oats for breakfast
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You will almost never find anyone who does "the diet" but doesn't do cardio. Walk on the treadmill just to look at bitch's...Other than that, blow off the cardio...Too many people have the all or nothing attitude. Break your year up in 2. 6 months eat whatever you want and train heavy and 6 months of bringing your diet in line. Absolute zero need for cardio for fat burning...I remember seeing Bob Chicks video of him walking at 3mph on a 10 incline for 30 mins. lol At the end of the 30 mins he just burnt up the amount of calories that equal a small apple...So silly...
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Could I sure. Could you and be productive person no. I couldn't. I'll stay leaner some where in-between those two pics. I'm 35lbs heavier now. I was 217 in that fat pic. I'm 230 now.
Yes carb cycling was and is very important
I was on 2000ish but would carb cycle between 2200 to 1800
Thanks very much for the response. It showed me exactly what I was hoping to learn.
I would say I'm roughly the same leanness as you (in those pictures) on 2200-2400 cals a day, but struggling hard with retaining my sanity.
I think I'm making progress, as i try to find ways to improve my mental health without sacrificing leanness. I think i should be able to do it, as im naturally lean and small, but its reassuring to hear that others struggle at this level as well.
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You will almost never find anyone who does "the diet" but doesn't do cardio. Walk on the treadmill just to look at bitch's...Other than that, blow off the cardio...Too many people have the all or nothing attitude. Break your year up in 2. 6 months eat whatever you want and train heavy and 6 months of bringing your diet in line. Absolute zero need for cardio for fat burning...I remember seeing Bob Chicks video of him walking at 3mph on a 10 incline for 30 mins. lol At the end of the 30 mins he just burnt up the amount of calories that equal a small apple...So silly...
cardio does have other benefits, but yes, it isn't the be all end all some people believe it is.
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Guys seriously...
How do you put together a 40/40/20 on 2000 cals and not eat over 45 grams of fat?
I dont understand how to get that low for the fat macro as oats, rice, chicken, fish all has fat in it. Not to mention, i take fish oil for heart health so this is just adding to the fat macro.
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Guys seriously...
How do you put together a 40/40/20 on 2000 cals and not eat over 45 grams of fat?
I dont understand how to get that low for the fat macro as oats, rice, chicken, fish all has fat in it. Not to mention, i take fish oil for heart health so this is just adding to the fat macro.
You don't... I ran into paradoxes like this all the time back when I actually believed what people wrote. Fact of the matter is bodybuilding gurus throw out a lot of numbers but they rarely add up. Don't worry if it doesn't make sense -- its not you, its careless / malevolent false advertising.
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Guys seriously...
How do you put together a 40/40/20 on 2000 cals and not eat over 45 grams of fat?
I dont understand how to get that low for the fat macro as oats, rice, chicken, fish all has fat in it. Not to mention, i take fish oil for heart health so this is just adding to the fat macro.
I was obsessed with macro's and % at one time as well. Let go of that man...
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Dude u need to relax before you go crazy....Ur best bet at this point is to get a prep coach and just follow his diet for 12-16 weeks. It'll end up driving you crazy if you keep doing what you're doing trust me been there done that
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A prep coach??? Is he competing?
Prep coach will just up your gear use being a major part I bet of what you see in terms of results.
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A prep coach??? Is he competing?
Prep coach will just up your gear use being a major part I bet of what you see in terms of results.
This. No fuckin way im paying some guy who preps thong warriors to do battle. I make a good living but i aint giving some charlaten my hard earned dough. Fuck all that. Id rather diet and fuck up a million times before paying someone
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This. No fuckin way im paying some guy who preps thong warriors to do battle. I make a good living but i aint giving some charlaten my hard earned dough. Fuck all that. Id rather diet and fuck up a million times before paying someone
hahaha!... Well, between carb cycling and using carbs pre, during and post, rest of meals protein/fat, I think you will find what works best for you. I like the second method and having carbs with 3 of the six meals on off days. One day, you go just one meal with carbs or if possible. Not on training day...
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This. No fuckin way im paying some guy who preps thong warriors to do battle. I make a good living but i aint giving some charlaten my hard earned dough. Fuck all that. Id rather diet and fuck up a million times before paying someone
Here it is mate no charge
When you feel hungry wait 4 hours before you eat
When you eat just eat lean proteins and veg, have 4-6 whole eggs a day as well.
do that for 8 weeks and update the thread.
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hahaha!... Well, between carb cycling and using carbs pre, during and post, rest of meals protein/fat, I think you will find what works best for you. I like the second method and having carbs with 3 of the six meals on off days. One day, you go just one meal with carbs or if possible. Not on training day...
Layne was saying all that is bro science really. It comes down to total macros/cals.
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Here it is mate no charge
When you feel hungry wait 4 hours before you eat
When you eat just eat lean proteins and veg, have 4-6 whole eggs a day as well.
do that for 8 weeks and update the thread.
strict no/low carbs for 8 weeks ?
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Well just started on low fat diet around 1900-2000 cals, 40/40/20
Havnt gotten it all sorted out but this is typical for me
1 Cup oats
1 table spoon fish oil
ZERO PROTEIN ^^
Tilapia or chicken
1 Cup brown rice
Greens
OK
1-2 Quest bar
^^^REAL FOOD OR EVEN A SHAKER OF WHEY IN WATER WOULD BE BETTER...EASY TO CARRY IN YOUR CAR
1 cup oats or gluten free brown rice cereal with a protein shake or egg whites
^^^DROP THE CARBS,EAT MORE GREENS
Dinner of chicken or fish sometimes shrimp
Quinoa, rice, or sweet potato
Greens
^^^DROP THE CARBS,EAT MORE GREENS
Thats basically it. Quests are just there since i am traveling alot and need something quick and fairly clean
So with oats, quest, chicken/fish and fish oil, im already breaking 50g of fat so i dunno how to keep it lower than that. Even a cup of oats has fat in it
Way too many carbs overall.
Take the diet I typed out which was meant to be just a template,substitute chicken,eggwhites,tuna,turkey,or fish for protein sources=they are interchangeable.
Cycle carbs (starchy ones only) as follows:
M-200 gms.
T-150 gms.
W-100 gms.
Th.-50 gms.
F-0 gms.
Sat.-50 gms.
Sun.-100 gms.
Just keep repeating this cycle.
Eat as many/much green or fibrous vegetables as you want to.........these actually have a negative calorie effect,unless you are eating a truckload per day.
Protein should be roughly be between 175- 200 grams per day.
Drink tons of water all day and with each meal.
Do cardio-30-45 minutes post-workout.
GET SERIOUS
Thank me later.
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Wtf u just said take carbs out, but you say eat upwards of 100-200 carbs per day on certain days?
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Wtf u just said take carbs out, but you say eat upwards of 100-200 carbs per day on certain days?
CYCLE the carbs,don`t eat a consistant amount daily.
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bro dieting is not rocket science. i feel the troll is strong in you.
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Enjoy the confusion, lol...
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Way too many carbs overall.
Take the diet I typed out which was meant to be just a template,substitute chicken,eggwhites,tuna,turkey,or fish for protein sources=they are interchangeable.
Cycle carbs (starchy ones only) as follows:
M-200 gms.
T-150 gms.
W-100 gms.
Th.-50 gms.
F-0 gms.
Sat.-50 gms.
Sun.-100 gms.
Just keep repeating this cycle.
Eat as many/much green or fibrous vegetables as you want to.........these actually have a negative calorie effect,unless you are eating a truckload per day.
Protein should be roughly be between 175- 200 grams per day.
Drink tons of water all day and with each meal.
Do cardio-30-45 minutes post-workout.
GET SERIOUS
Thank me later.
Are you kidding?
Do you know a lb of broccoli has about 150 calories? I could plough through 2-3 lbs in one sitting if I ate 'as much as I want'. Thats 300-450 calories, or about 20-30% of your entire daily intake, according to the template diet.
This is why bodybuilding advice is so perilous... Zero precision, hence misunderstanding abounds, despite the best of intentions.
Also, how is 'real food' or whey better than quest bars?
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more posts, more confusion...
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Are you kidding?
Do you know a lb of broccoli has about 150 calories? I could plough through 2-3 lbs in one sitting if I ate 'as much as I want'. Thats 300-450 calories, or about 20-30% of your entire daily intake, according to the template diet.
This is why bodybuilding advice is so perilous... Zero precision, hence misunderstanding abounds, despite the best of intentions.
Also, how is 'real food' or whey better than quest bars?
A cup of raw broccoli is 30 calories, and takes about 80 calories to digest, which means you burn a net total of 50 calories.
Are you really serious about Quest bars being used to build a great physique?
::)
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http://hubpages.com/hub/Negative-Calorie-Foods-List
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http://blog.fooducate.com/2013/12/30/are-quest-bars-really-as-nutritious-as-claimed/
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Way too many carbs overall.
Take the diet I typed out which was meant to be just a template,substitute chicken,eggwhites,tuna,turkey,or fish for protein sources=they are interchangeable.
Cycle carbs (starchy ones only) as follows:
M-200 gms.
T-150 gms.
W-100 gms.
Th.-50 gms.
F-0 gms.
Sat.-50 gms.
Sun.-100 gms.
Just keep repeating this cycle.
Eat as many/much green or fibrous vegetables as you want to.........these actually have a negative calorie effect,unless you are eating a truckload******** per day.
Protein should be roughly be between 175- 200 grams per day.
Drink tons of water all day and with each meal.
Do cardio-30-45 minutes post-workout.
GET SERIOUS
Thank me later.
^^^^^^^truckload^^^^^^^^********
CAN YOU SAY MINUTIA ?
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http://hubpages.com/hub/Negative-Calorie-Foods-List
That list is super suspect, IMO. I doubt raspberries/strawberries, etc. are negative calories. Could be wrong but doesn't make a whole lot of sense with some of those foods listed.
There is a disclaimer though so that's good.
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I have a life so i wont Be planning carb cycling. Possibly lowering carbs subconsciously on days i dont train but i suppose the take home message is low fat (as low as u can go) and high carb mod protein with calorie defecit around 19-2000 cals, lowering as needed
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I have a life so i wont Be planning carb cycling. Possibly lowering carbs subconsciously on days i dont train but i suppose the take home message is low fat (as low as u can go) and high carb mod protein with calorie defecit around 19-2000 cals, lowering as needed
This can work. I disagree with the not eating of carbs continually. If you can make it through your day with 3 0 carb meals, the rest pre, during post, you can make great changes.
On off days, going as low as possible will help.
this is a carb cycling of sorts, would not give it the name though... Try and have the lowest carb day pre cheat day/meal and be a bit stricter the day after a cheat if possible. As long as you make a bit of progress before each cheat day, good enough. No need to be 6% bodyfat here, so no use if doing super crazy shit.
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This can work. I disagree with the not eating of carbs continually. If you can make it through your day with 3 0 carb meals, the rest pre, during post, you can make great changes.
On off days, going as low as possible will help.
this is a carb cycling of sorts, would not give it the name though... Try and have the lowest carb day pre cheat day/meal and be a bit stricter the day after a cheat if possible. As long as you make a bit of progress before each cheat day, good enough. No need to be 6% bodyfat here, so no use if doing super crazy shit.
Thanks ritch. I think i can easily do this. My plan is to get to 8 percent if possible and then introduce a slow build up of same macros but higher calories (SLOWLY) and hit the gear...700mg or somethhing Test. I want to be lean alllll summer and fall
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Thanks ritch. I think i can easily do this. My plan is to get to 8 percent if possible and then introduce a slow build up of same macros but higher calories (SLOWLY) and hit the gear...700mg or somethhing Test. I want to be lean alllll summer and fall
It's a reasonable plan that honestly, pretty much always works for such goals.
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Just burn more calories then you take in.
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make that 8 weeks
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This. No fuckin way im paying some guy who preps thong warriors to do battle. I make a good living but i aint giving some charlaten my hard earned dough. Fuck all that. Id rather diet and fuck up a million times before paying someone
Ok? Keep doing what you're doing then. I told you to get a coach because you obviously have 0 clue as to what you're doing and it seems you can't stick to a diet for more than 1-2 weeks. Getting a prep coach would help you because you would know you'd be wasting X amount of money if you said fuck it and had a cheat meal. You'll learn the hard way like I did
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Ok? Keep doing what you're doing then. I told you to get a coach because you obviously have 0 clue as to what you're doing and it seems you can't stick to a diet for more than 1-2 weeks. Getting a prep coach would help you because you would know you'd be wasting X amount of money if you said fuck it and had a cheat meal. You'll learn the hard way like I did
If he followed my advice he`d get ripped and the "diet" is nothing extreme........anyone could do it with a minimum of effort.
Oh well,ya` gotta` want it ! :(
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I just love the fact how the guys who got suckered into paying for info on how to eat feel the need to have others fall for this shit....
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BELIEVE ME TRY WES' DIET...I ONLY DONE 3 SHOWS AND GOT WON 2 OF IT,ONE OVERALL AND NEXT MONTH I'M GOING TO THE NATIONALS THANKS TO WES' DIET !!!!!
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I just love the fact how the guys who got suckered into paying for info on how to eat feel the need to have others fall for this shit....
LOL, yeah he wants me to make the same mistake. I love Kev but come on :)
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BELIEVE ME TRY WES' DIET...I ONLY DONE 3 SHOWS AND GOT WON 2 OF IT,ONE OVERALL AND NEXT MONTH I'M GOING TO THE NATIONALS THANKS TO WES' DIET !!!!!
Ok, will modify slightly and try. Still want to know how many calories his diet really is
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Ok, will modify slightly and try. Still want to know how many calories his diet really is
>:( >:( >:(
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BELIEVE ME TRY WES' DIET...I ONLY DONE 3 SHOWS AND GOT WON 2 OF IT,ONE OVERALL AND NEXT MONTH I'M GOING TO THE NATIONALS THANKS TO WES' DIET !!!!!
Thanks for the recomendation bro,and congrats,you looked great!!
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>:( >:( >:(
Fuck calories,you`d be surprised how so many guys overeat in a huge way.
Think macros instead of calories........trust me on that.
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And not discredit Wes, but that's not HIS diet, lol... He just suggested you do carb cycling, good post think you should consider it.
My angry faces were saying what you just posted Wes!
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You guys can go ahead and not spend money on a coach but just know that even the best pros nowadays have coaches. I'm investing in a prep coach because I've tried everything and just can't get my dieting down to a T. This will probably be my only time paying someone to prep me but I will use this information in the future so I can do it myself next time
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Fuck calories,you`d be surprised how so many guys overeat in a huge way.
Think macros instead of calories........trust me on that.
Yes overeating is a huge problem....the perma bulker syndrome...I had it when I started out.....you lust after every meal...just to eat some more for that extra muscle...and end up with a belly sticking out.
What would suggest to control hunger Wes?
I am open to some novel ideas.
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Yes overeating is a huge problem....the perma bulker syndrome...I had it when I started out.....you lust after every meal...just to eat some more for that extra muscle...and end up with a belly sticking out.
What would suggest to control hunger Wes?
I am open to some novel ideas.
How about 8 DNP tablets at once. Ripped in no time.
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Yes overeating is a huge problem....the perma bulker syndrome...I had it when I started out.....you lust after every meal...just to eat some more for that extra muscle...and end up with a belly sticking out.
What would suggest to control hunger Wes?
I am open to some novel ideas.
When cravings strike:
Frequent brushing of teeth when cravings hit you.
Drink more water.
Eat more salad with water.
Eat air-popped popcorn with water.....it`ll absorb the water,giving you a sensation of fullness.
Rice cakes ( a couple) with sugar-free jelly.
Sugar-Free Jello
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when you guys do eat and have lean protein with veggies for all your meals...
then you try to drink a gallon of water a day "in between meals"
arent you absolutely KILLING your stomach acid with all that water?
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Fuck calories,you`d be surprised how so many guys overeat in a huge way.
Think macros instead of calories........trust me on that.
Wtf? Seeiously? So i could do 40/40/20 and eat 3000 cals and still lose fat? Im not buyin it. Thats what that troll Erik C was saying about eating just meat and no calorie counting is needed
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http://blog.fooducate.com/2013/12/30/are-quest-bars-really-as-nutritious-as-claimed/
Do you seriously think this article says anything?
Its dialectic preschool.
Interesting 'fact' about broccoli, though. I've never looked into the caloric effect of digestion before. I'll be interested to read more.
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when you guys do eat and have lean protein with veggies for all your meals...
then you try to drink a gallon of water a day "in between meals"
arent you absolutely KILLING your stomach acid with all that water?
I have no idea what you're talking about...
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Yes overeating is a huge problem....the perma bulker syndrome...I had it when I started out.....you lust after every meal...just to eat some more for that extra muscle...and end up with a belly sticking out.
What would suggest to control hunger Wes?
I am open to some novel ideas.
I find a bit of planning goes a long way with diet. Plan out what you're gonna eat a day in advance and stick to the plan.
If you get hungry, it doesn't matter because you've committed to eating a certain amount of food and that's it.
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Fucking wierdos. Just eat 2000-3000 calories and do enough activity accordingly to keep in a deficit.
I swear this thread reads like a study in mental illness.
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Fucking wierdos. Just eat 2000-3000 calories and do enough activity accordingly to keep in a deficit.
I swear this thread reads like a study in mental illness.
;D
I just eat in moderation during the week and eat what I like at weekends
Im always in shape, being in shape allows you to see small changes when you are gaining fat, its then a simple adjustment to pull it back.
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i went as low as 1500 calories when i dieted. it sucked but it worked.
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i went as low as 1500 calories when i dieted. it sucked but it worked.
Did u also do cardio on that?
Ive done that too. Works but u crash and actually start getting fat again even while eating 1500-1800 cals. Im trying to avoid that this tine
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The "galneiko" diet only works when you want to go from lean (9-10%) to shredded (6-8%) other than that you need to stick to another diet and get down to the 9-10% range first because you won't want to continue this diet for more than 2-4 weeks you WILL get sick of it and just give in
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1500 cals, LOL honestly have not sure if you guys are serious or trolling when I read shit like that.
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1500 cals, LOL honestly have not sure if you guys are serious or trolling when I read shit like that.
Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner
Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want
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Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner
Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want
Even on gear?
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Even on gear?
Last time i did it used a lil GH for my knee (1.5iu) and TRt at 200mg a week
Got crazy results (for me) but wasnt sustainable and couldnt hold condition even while eating the same cals.
Now im doing 2000-2100 with 10 minutes of HIIT 4 times a week and seem to be happy healthier and getting similar results. Only on TrT. My plan is to get lean for summer and slowly incorporate more drugs once i get lean and increase cals
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I work with a guy who's fat, but also carries a lot of mass. Works out hard every day. Natural (I'm guessing), probably 220 or so at maybe 5'10. Permabulker, but big traps, huge chest, solid arms nonetheless.
Im in disbelief when I see his 'lunch', a TINY Tupperware of turkey and veggies. I'm going off memory here, but it must have been no more than 300-500 cals.
He claims to eat this twice a day, and pretty much nothing else.
While I never believe what people say anymore, I still wouldn't doubt this guy eats less than me, and I feel like I'm killing myself. I wouldn't be surprised if he ate less than 2000 calories most days.
Its experiences like these that make me believe there's a lot more variation in peoples caloric expenditure or digestive response than I onced believed.
I'll give another example later today.
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I can gain weight at 2500 cals probably up to about 210lbs I suspect.
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I can gain weight at 2500 cals probably up to about 210lbs I suspect.
What do you do? Sit around and do nothing most of the time?
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Fucking wierdos. Just eat 2000-3000 calories and do enough activity accordingly to keep in a deficit.
I swear this thread reads like a study in mental illness.
I agree with you, but usually you say 'eat 2000-3000 calories of whatever you want.'
I believe the 'whatever you want' part is very important. First, it does away with the common criticism that goes something like this: 'so you're saying I can eat 2000 calories of donuts to no I'll effect?'
But the thing is, no one wants to eat 2000 calories of donuts. Maybe for a day or two, but not long term. This diet would soon nauseate anyone, and if they stuck to it they wouldn't be eating 'whatever they want' after all.
Second, combining the Adonis principles with additional restrictions (again, going against 'what you want') can be a bad idea.
Recently, i be been trying to stick to 2200-2400 cals, but still stuck mostly to 'traditional bodybuilding foods'. More specifically, I ate many meals with almost no carbs, and stuck to protein/fat for the most part.
Mentally, this was disastrous. My workouts sucked too. I'm not sure if I have a medical condition or something, but even a small amount of carbs dramatically improves my mental state and increases the physiological response during workouts.
Sugary foods (which I had almost entirely replaced with artificial sweeteners or 'clean carbs') seem particularly effective. A tiny amount consistently makes a huge difference and -- what do you know -- I always crave carbs. When I denied myself all the time, I ended up going on epic carb binges every week or two -- 'cheat meal' didn't begin to describe it...
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Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner
Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want
That's the number for me, too, to get to the point of no visible lower ab fat. I'm 6'3 ecto/meso, 2000-2200 keeps me at ~12%.
Bodybuilders over-estimate how many calories they need, the same way they overestimate how much they would weigh when lean.
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That's the number for me, too, to get to the point of no visible lower ab fat. I'm 6'3 ecto/meso, 2000-2200 keeps me at ~12%.
Bodybuilders over-estimate how many calories they need, the same way they overestimate how much they would weigh when lean.
So true.........been saying it for eons now.
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I agree with you, but usually you say 'eat 2000-3000 calories of whatever you want.'
I believe the 'whatever you want' part is very important. First, it does away with the common criticism that goes something like this: 'so you're saying I can eat 2000 calories of donuts to no I'll effect?'
But the thing is, no one wants to eat 2000 calories of donuts. Maybe for a day or two, but not long term. This diet would soon nauseate anyone, and if they stuck to it they wouldn't be eating 'whatever they want' after all.
Second, combining the Adonis principles with additional restrictions (again, going against 'what you want') can be a bad idea.
Recently, i be been trying to stick to 2200-2400 cals, but still stuck mostly to 'traditional bodybuilding foods'. More specifically, I ate many meals with almost no carbs, and stuck to protein/fat for the most part.
Mentally, this was disastrous. My workouts sucked too. I'm not sure if I have a medical condition or something, but even a small amount of carbs dramatically improves my mental state and increases the physiological response during workouts.
Sugary foods (which I had almost entirely replaced with artificial sweeteners or 'clean carbs') seem particularly effective. A tiny amount consistently makes a huge difference and -- what do you know -- I always crave carbs. When I denied myself all the time, I ended up going on epic carb binges every week or two -- 'cheat meal' didn't begin to describe it...
Carbs are the best. I ate nothing but Doughnuts and Pizza the other day actually.
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What do you do? Sit around and do nothing most of the time?
Nope. Workout 6 days a week and deliver furniture all day.
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Nope. Workout 6 days a week and deliver furniture all day.
Strange. I can eat 3000 calories a day, workout 2-3 days a week, not move around much at all and not gain an ounce. Maintain in the 160s all day long.
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Carbs are the best. I ate nothing but Doughnuts and Pizza the other day actually.
I agree... Eating near zero carb meals is a disaster for me.
I'm actually going to see a doctor soon to see whether I actually have some particular affinity or condition related to them.
All growing up, I avoided fat and ate mostly carbs. Once I started eating high protein meals, the carbs gradually got edged out... I'm wondering how many fouls moods, awful workouts, poor test results, etc. Can be attributed to this...
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A question for this thread: if it takes you X calories to reach a particular weight, how much leeway do you have once you actually reach that weight?
E.g. if you have to eat a 1700 calories daily to hit 180 lbs, once you hit 180, can you eat more without gaining weight? How much more? 500? 300?
Obviously I'm looking for answers from personal experience, not a general rule.
In my case, I starved on 1700 to 200 to get to 167. Haven't gained an ounce at 2200-2400.
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any pics posted here to see whats working or not?
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Do you seriously think this article says anything?
Its dialectic preschool.
Interesting 'fact' about broccoli, though. I've never looked into the caloric effect of digestion before. I'll be interested to read more.
Lol, I went back and read this article... Apples a 'zero calorir food', oh brother...
No offense wes -- I'm always willing to listen to someone with your level of experience -- but do you even read the garbage you post :D
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It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.
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It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.
How slowly? What exactly do you mean? Eat an extra Apple or cup of rice for a month and then another the next month? An extra 200 calories a day the first month and every month thereafter for about 7 months? That isn't much extra on a day to day or month to month basis.
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It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.
nonsense
If you eat over your daily rate you will store it as fat.
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So true.........been saying it for eons now.
The losing muscle objection is another excuse for permabulkers to not show dietary discipline.
When you diet down, you'll surely measure smaller but what you lost wasn't muscle but fat which is stored throughout the body.
Funny how when one's waist gets smaller via dieting no one thinks their abs shrunk, but when an inch comes off the arms, it's the bis and tris that took the hit.
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Lol, I went back and read this article... Apples a 'zero calorir food', oh brother...
No offense wes -- I'm always willing to listen to someone with your level of experience -- but do you even read the garbage you post :D
I read it and endorse it my friend.
Call it "bro-science" if you want to but a lot of the so called "bro-science" works............maybe it`s a placebo effect but it still works for me.
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The losing muscle objection is another excuse for permabulkers to not show dietary discipline.
When you diet down, you'll surely measure smaller but what you lost wasn't muscle but fat which is stored throughout the body.
Funny how when one's waist gets smaller via dieting no one thinks their abs shrunk, but when an inch comes off the arms, it's the bis and tris that took the hit.
Tons of guys lifting to see how much they can weigh, as opposed to how good they can look.
Bulking up = excuse to eat like shit.
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nonsense
If you eat over your daily rate you will store it as fat.
Then how does Aaron Curtis do it? It's called reverse dieting
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Wes, still waiting on your calorie range for the diet you posted
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Wes, still waiting on your calorie range for the diet you posted
waiting on you to make a decision and started finally, geez... You're worse than Howard.
If that does not spark some inner anger/motivation, then I guess I can't be of any assistance, lol...
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Wes, still waiting on your calorie range for the diet you posted
I don`t count calories,I count macronutrients and I go by the mirror.
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I don`t count calories,I count macronutrients and I go by the mirror.
Just give him a number so he gets started already. How about 2011 cals? I'm feeling that number, yup that's it, 2011 Mr thong. Sound more like a year number than cal number but trust me on this one...
Now go get ripped an beautiful...
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Holy fuck Thong Maniac I'm beginning to lose all hope for you. here is a good fucking diet you should stick to now please stop asking about all these god damn diets and either stop being cheap and get a coach or just stick with one god damn diet.
TRAINING DAYS
1. 2 whole egg 8 egg white
2. 1 scoop 0 carb 0 fat protein power and 1.5 tspn peanut butter
3. 6 oz salmon or chicken and 4 oz broccoli or asparagus
4. 6oz chicken or salmon 3/4 cup BROWN RICE (low gylcemic carb) 3oz broccoli or asparagus 1oz cashews
5. PRE WORKOUT MEAL 1.5 scoop protein 0 carb 0 fat (ISO lean is a good one) 1.5tspn peanut butter and 4 rice cakes
6. POST WORKOUT 1 cup WHITE RICE (high glycemic carb) 6oz chicken and 3oz broccoli
NON TRAINING DAY
1. 2 egg whole 8 egg white
2. 1.5 scoop protein 1.5tspn peanut butter
3. 6oz chicken breast 1oz cashew 3oz broccoli
4. same as meal 2
5. same as meal 3
6. 6oz salmon or chicken 4oz broccoli or asparagus
20 min cardio 15.0 incline 3.0 speed on treadmill and add 5 mins every week till you get to 45 mins 5x a week
now shut the fuck up and stick to one diet please I'm sick and tired of these dumb questions then when I tell you to get a coach you refuse to because you think you can do it yourself well then go ahead. no offense you seem like the sort of person that can't make a decision for themselves you should fix that
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Starting a diet next Monday. So I'll be in the same bait at you. It's basically no carbs in any of my meals expect during the wirk out abd right after. Other then that lean meat and salads
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Holy fuck Thong Maniac I'm beginning to lose all hope for you. here is a good fucking diet you should stick to now please stop asking about all these god damn diets and either stop being cheap and get a coach or just stick with one god damn diet.
TRAINING DAYS
1. 2 whole egg 8 egg white
2. 1 scoop 0 carb 0 fat protein power and 1.5 tspn peanut butter
3. 6 oz salmon or chicken and 4 oz broccoli or asparagus
4. 6oz chicken or salmon 3/4 cup BROWN RICE (low gylcemic carb) 3oz broccoli or asparagus 1oz cashews
5. PRE WORKOUT MEAL 1.5 scoop protein 0 carb 0 fat (ISO lean is a good one) 1.5tspn peanut butter and 4 rice cakes
6. POST WORKOUT 1 cup WHITE RICE (high glycemic carb) 6oz chicken and 3oz broccoli
NON TRAINING DAY
1. 2 egg whole 8 egg white
2. 1.5 scoop protein 1.5tspn peanut butter
3. 6oz chicken breast 1oz cashew 3oz broccoli
4. same as meal 2
5. same as meal 3
6. 6oz salmon or chicken 4oz broccoli or asparagus
20 min cardio 15.0 incline 3.0 speed on treadmill and add 5 mins every week till you get to 45 mins 5x a week
now shut the fuck up and stick to one diet please I'm sick and tired of these dumb questions then when I tell you to get a coach you refuse to because you think you can do it yourself well then go ahead. no offense you seem like the sort of person that can't make a decision for themselves you should fix that
Better stock up on appetite suppressants. Kinda diggin' being an ecto these days. (types this as I await my bowl of ice cream to melt just a bit before eating it...)
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Holy fuck Thong Maniac I'm beginning to lose all hope for you. here is a good fucking diet you should stick to now please stop asking about all these god damn diets and either stop being cheap and get a coach or just stick with one god damn diet.
TRAINING DAYS
1. 2 whole egg 8 egg white
2. 1 scoop 0 carb 0 fat protein power and 1.5 tspn peanut butter
3. 6 oz salmon or chicken and 4 oz broccoli or asparagus
4. 6oz chicken or salmon 3/4 cup BROWN RICE (low gylcemic carb) 3oz broccoli or asparagus 1oz cashews
5. PRE WORKOUT MEAL 1.5 scoop protein 0 carb 0 fat (ISO lean is a good one) 1.5tspn peanut butter and 4 rice cakes
6. POST WORKOUT 1 cup WHITE RICE (high glycemic carb) 6oz chicken and 3oz broccoli
NON TRAINING DAY
1. 2 egg whole 8 egg white
2. 1.5 scoop protein 1.5tspn peanut butter
3. 6oz chicken breast 1oz cashew 3oz broccoli
4. same as meal 2
5. same as meal 3
6. 6oz salmon or chicken 4oz broccoli or asparagus
20 min cardio 15.0 incline 3.0 speed on treadmill and add 5 mins every week till you get to 45 mins 5x a week
now shut the fuck up and stick to one diet please I'm sick and tired of these dumb questions then when I tell you to get a coach you refuse to because you think you can do it yourself well then go ahead. no offense you seem like the sort of person that can't make a decision for themselves you should fix that
But how many cals does it have?
;D
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waiting on you to make a decision and started finally, geez... You're worse than Howard.
If that does not spark some inner anger/motivation, then I guess I can't be of any assistance, lol...
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Lol i started a week ago man,
Im riding the carb train again. Just keepin fats low as possible. 2000 kcals a day or a bit lower
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But how many cals does it have?
;D
About 2100-2200 on training days and 1800-1900 on non training days
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About 2100-2200 on training days and 1800-1900 on non training days
Why so quick to anger? Trenning? ???
Using ranges / reasonable estimates to account for ambiguity, I used common calorie counting sites to estimate your diet:
2 eggs: 140
8 egg whites: 140
2.5 protein: 260
12 oz salmon: 400-700
1 oz cashews: 160
1 T pb: 100
6oz chicken: 170-280
4 rice cakes: 140-240
7 oz broccoli: 70
1.75 c rice:
Cooked: 350
Uncooked: 900
Total: 1930-2910
1000 cal spread... Maybe your explanations could be a bit clearer?
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Why so quick to anger? Trenning? ???
Using ranges / reasonable estimates to account for ambiguity, I used common calorie counting sites to estimate your diet:
2 eggs: 140
8 egg whites: 140
2.5 protein: 260
12 oz salmon: 400-700
1 oz cashews: 160
1 T pb: 100
6oz chicken: 170-280
4 rice cakes: 140-240
7 oz broccoli: 70
1.75 c rice:
Cooked: 350
Uncooked: 900
Total: 1930-2910
1000 cal spread... Maybe your explanations could be a bit clearer?
These are the food items and brands I use, you do the math I'm too lazy lol and yes I am trenning hard atm
Whole eggs: Walmart
Egg whites: Kirkland from Costco
Salmon: Walmart from frozen meats isle
Chicken: Purdue fresh chicken breast or Costco Kirkland frozen chicken tenderloins
Peanut butter: Jiff
Brown and white rice: Either the minute rice brand or the 60 second microwaveable rices from grocery stores (Brown rice or Jasmine rice)
Rice cakes: Quaker
Broccoli or Asparagus: Any store
Protein: ISO-100 the 0 carb 0 fat 24g protein one
Cashew: Costco