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Good explanation for the mentally challenged 'fitness gurus' and trainers who mislead people into believing weight loss/fat loss is simply a matter of being in a caloric deficit and working out.
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Good explanation for the mentally challenged 'fitness gurus' and trainers who mislead people into believing weight loss/fat loss is simply a matter of being in a caloric deficit and working out.
Thanks for the post. The intelligent here among us have tried to explain this many times to the tards on this board namely True Adonis for several years.
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Any Certified Personal Trainers able to chime in?
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"Its like telling a fat guy he got fat because he ate too much food, it doesn't explain it to him"
No, and it doesnt need explaining to him, its still fucking true.
If drive my car and dont put fuel in it will stop running, I need someone to tell me to put fucking fuel in.
I dont need to have the intricacies of a combustion engine explaining to me.
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Thanks for the post. The intelligent here among us have tried to explain this many times to the tards on this board namely True Adonis for several years.
If your BMR is 3000 cals to maintain and you eat 2000 you will lose weight, no amount of insulin is going to hinder or help that.
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If your BMR is 3000 cals to maintain and you eat 2000 you will lose weight, no amount of insulin is going to hinder or help that.
It's psychological issue with these people. They want to believe they got fat for every reason other than their inability to put down the fork.
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Calories In/Calories Out Is A Misapplication Of Thermodynamics To Nutrition, By Nutritionists Who Know Nothing Of Thermodynamics.
If You Are Talking About Pure Energy, Then Eat Fat For Energy, At Nine Calories Per Gram, Instead Of Carbs, With Only Four Calories Per Gram, For The Most Efficient Energy Uptake.
It Is Carbs In That Makes You Fat. Carbs Can Be Used Immediately For Energy, Stored Some As Glycogen, And The Rest Is Turned To Body Fat. Body Fat Is The Only Thing Carbs Build In The Body, Not Counting A Host Of Degenerative Disease Conditions.
The Comparison Of Your Body To A Car, Is Really, Really Stupid. Do You Also Build Your Car As You Are Driving It? Fats And Proteins Actually Build The Useful Parts Of Your Body. That's What Real Nutrition Is About.
I Fear That It Is Beyond Most People's Comprehension. Carb Eaters Are Famous For Brain Fog.
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Calories In/Calories Out Is A Misapplication Of Thermodynamics To Nutrition, By Nutritionists Who Know Nothing Of Thermodynamics.
If You Are Talking About Pure Energy, Then Eat Fat For Energy, At Nine Calories Per Gram, Instead Of Carbs, With Only Four Calories Per Gram, For The Most Efficient Energy Uptake.
It Is Carbs In That Makes You Fat. Carbs Can Be Used Immediately For Energy, Stored Some As Glycogen, And The Rest Is Turned To Body Fat. Body Fat Is The Only Thing Carbs Build In The Body, Not Counting A Host Of Degenerative Disease Conditions.
The Comparison Of Your Body To A Car, Is Really, Really Stupid. Do You Also Build Your Car As You Are Driving It? Fats And Proteins Actually Build The Useful Parts Of Your Body. That's What Real Nutrition Is About.
I Fear That It Is Beyond Most People's Comprehension. Carb Eaters Are Famous For Brain Fog.
They couldn't fill a valence if they tried!
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Calories In/Calories Out Is A Misapplication Of Thermodynamics To Nutrition, By Nutritionists Who Know Nothing Of Thermodynamics.
If You Are Talking About Pure Energy, Then Eat Fat For Energy, At Nine Calories Per Gram, Instead Of Carbs, With Only Four Calories Per Gram, For The Most Efficient Energy Uptake.
It Is Carbs In That Makes You Fat. Carbs Can Be Used Immediately For Energy, Stored Some As Glycogen, And The Rest Is Turned To Body Fat. Body Fat Is The Only Thing Carbs Build In The Body, Not Counting A Host Of Degenerative Disease Conditions.
From what I've read, De Novo Lipogenesis (carbs stored as fat) is a minor pathway. When excess carbs are eaten, the body begins to use carbs for lower intensity activities when it otherwise would be using fat, and the fat that would've been used ends up in the fat cells.
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From what I've read, De Novo Lipogenesis (carbs stored as fat) is a minor pathway. When excess carbs are eaten, the body begins to use carbs for lower intensity activities when it otherwise would be using fat, and the fat that would've been used ends up in the fat cells.
You've Read Things, That You Couldn't Understand.
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Insulin resistance is only a problem in people who are fat. If you never get to that point, you don't need to worry about this. That is why it's easier to get shredded when you are already decently in shape. People who let themselves go have nothing to blame but themselves. It is simply calories in vs calories out if you aren't a fatass.
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I await this great getbiggers response
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
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I await this great getbiggers response
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
Why is he eating in a room full of hebrews?
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Why is he eating in a room full of hebrews?
maybe its post production when he did that sex-slave movie with Vince
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You've Read Things, That You Couldn't Understand.
Well, then explain it, fat boy, and tell us how long you've been on the Keto diet and whether or not you've cheated.
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You've Read Things, That You Couldn't Understand.
Bingo
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Yeah, two fat fuck geniuses.
Fuck you both.
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Well, then explain it, fat boy, and tell us how long you've been on the Keto diet and whether or not you've cheated.
I Did Explain It. Quite Concisely Too.
I've Been On Keto For Years. Since I'm Not Fat, I Can Eat Anything I Want, Only Occasionally Though. If I Eat Too Many Carbs, Then I Lose Muscle Definition, Because They Get Covered In Subcutaneous Body Fat If I Eat Too Many Carbs For An Extended Period Of Time, Same As For Anyone Else. Eating Occasional Carbs Is Only A Cheat, When You Are Trying To Lose Body Fat. If You Want To Lose Body Fat, Then You Just Can't Eat Any Carbs. Only Eat High Fat And Protein, Preferably From Animal Sources. It's That Simple.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552319.0;attach=582464;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2011/02/00/something-about-mary_510.jpg?itok=K2t9GBD-)
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Now this thread has the potential for a lot of good fireworks, particularly when TA chimes in and the arguing starts :D
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I Did Explain It. Quite Concisely Too.
I've Been On Keto For Years. Since I'm Not Fat, I Can Eat Anything I Want, Only Occasionally Though. If I Eat Too Many Carbs, Then I Lose Muscle Definition, Because They Get Covered In Subcutaneous Body Fat If I Eat Too Many Carbs For An Extended Period Of Time, Same As For Anyone Else. Eating Occasional Carbs Is Only A Cheat, When You Are Trying To Lose Body Fat. If You Want To Lose Body Fat, Then You Just Can't Eat Any Carbs. Only Eat High Fat And Protein, Preferably From Animal Sources. It's That Simple.
Great picture!! Solid physique!!
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I await this great getbiggers response
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
True Adonis once stated that he only eats homemade pizza. ??? ??? ???
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Great picture!! Solid physique!!
Thanks!!
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Thanks!!
pic down..removed.
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True Adonis once stated that he only eats homemade pizza. ??? ??? ???
I would never say something so stupid as that.
However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.
I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.
Better than anything you can buy certainly.
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Look at Wiggs (and everybody else on a "diet" for that matter), then look at TA. End of thread.
I myself have also leaned up using the calorie deficit approach, no sacrificed strength or muscle either. No, I don't have before and after pics, I did it to be lean IRL, not for internet pictures. I've done keto before without tracking calories and it just doesn't work, you can't train intensely without adequate carbs.
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according to Mentzer your diet should be comprised of 60% carb 25% pro and 15% fat
p.s. if you train your ass off and take good roids diet don't mean jack shit, just as long as you don't overeat
also if you take good roids but train like a pussy you'll still look like shit
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according to Mentzer your diet should be comprised of 60% carb 25% pro and 15% fat
p.s. if you train your ass off and take good roids diet don't mean jack shit, just as long as you don't overeat
also if you take good roids but train like a pussy you'll still look like shit
lol... you gotta love diet advice from blatant steroid abusers.
Give me a fucking break lol.
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I would never say something so stupid as that.
However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.
I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.
Better than anything you can buy certainly.
You trust the ingredients in pizzas that are made in restaurants?
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I await this great getbiggers response
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
First time in the history of Getbig where a pic was posted and we can't respond, "wider than Heath".
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First time in the history of Getbig where a pic was posted and we can't respond, "wider than Heath".
That appears to be a 16" pizza.
C = 2TTr
C = 50.27"
50.27" / 8 slices = 6.28"
Total length of crust on that slice of pizza = 6.28".
Adonis appears to be at least 3 pizza crusts wide in this picture. :-\
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It's psychological issue with these people. They want to believe they got fat for every reason other than their inability to put down the fork.
THIS. 100% PERCENT.
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Thanks for the post. The intelligent here among us have tried to explain this many times to the tards on this board namely True Adonis for several years.
Thank you as well
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No amount of education will help on this topic.
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First time in the history of Getbig where a pic was posted and we can't respond, "wider than Heath".
Ditto for that pizza
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Counting calories, macros, IIFYM, low carb, keto etc. Everyone is different. They all work, but you just have to try them and see what works best for you.
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pic down..removed.
That was my attempt at sarcasm with his comments about being in amazing shape yet never remotely showing it. Hopefully nobody got confused and actually thought that that guy has a solid physique (unless we are talking power lifter "solid"). He has never posted a picture.
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That was my attempt at sarcasm with his comments about being in amazing shape yet never remotely showing it. Hopefully nobody got confused and actually thought that that guy has a solid physique (unless we are talking power lifter "solid"). He has never posted a picture.
Sarcasm From Me Too. I'm Not Competing, Nor Selling Anything. I Have No Reason To Self Promote. The Only People Who Post Pictures Of Themselves On The Net, Have Ulterior Motives, Or They Are Stupid.
I Can Tell You What Works Scientifically, For Exercise And Nutrition. I Can't Force You To Do It Scientifically, If You Don't Want To Do It. So Don't Do What I Tell You To Do. I Don't Give A Shit. It's Not My Body. So Stick To Your Usual Training Program: "Fuckingarounditis," And Keep Complaining About Lousy Results, And Blaming Your Bad Genetics. LOL!
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Counting calories, macros, IIFYM, low carb, keto etc. Everyone is different. They all work, but you just have to try them and see what works best for you.
and they are all ways of reducing calories to below maintenance to ensure weight loss.
you eat more than to burn off you dont lose weight.
Telling someone top eat less is just too easy, and simply doesn't sell, tell them they need an App to track their macros and they are all over it.
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Sarcasm From Me Too. I'm Not Competing, Nor Selling Anything. I Have No Reason To Self Promote. The Only People Who Post Pictures Of Themselves On The Net, Have Ulterior Motives, Or They Are Stupid.
I Can Tell You What Works Scientifically, For Exercise And Nutrition. I Can't Force You To Do It Scientifically, If You Don't Want To Do It. So Don't Do What I Tell You To Do. I Don't Give A Shit. It's Not My Body. So Stick To Your Usual Training Program: "Fuckingarounditis," And Keep Complaining About Lousy Results, And Blaming Your Bad Genetics. LOL!
how do i know you look like shit?
mazrim has one of the best physiques on this whole board lol. he annihilates you.
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train/eat/drug if u want thats covered other part is as simple too,buy a scale,look in your mirror and take a pic on your phone those should tell you if your build is good or not,,don't go by what aunt marylou says 'family always tell you u look good.
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train/eat/drug if u want thats covered other part is as simple too,buy a scale,look in your mirror and take a pic on your phone those should tell you if your build is good or not,,don't go by what aunt marylou says 'family always tell you u look good.
Mirrors lie, LOL!
Tons of people inject oil, are permabulkers, or only train arms and think they look awesome.
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Mirrors lie, LOL!
Tons of people inject oil, are permabulkers, or only train arms and think they look awesome.
lol this is true second part....still mirror for the most part'if your in shape'will give you some indication,,thats why everyone has a favorite mirroe'light in the gym..
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lol this is true second part....still mirror for the most part'if your in shape'will give you some indication,,thats why everyone has a favorite mirroe'light in the gym..
Some stores have special mirrors that make women look a little taller when trying on clothes.
Just sayin'. :)
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Some stores have special mirrors that make women look a little taller when trying on clothes.
Just sayin'. :)
parlor tricks...hey u still need them tho...
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You trust the ingredients in pizzas that are made in restaurants?
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What do you mean. Usually most are using Escalon 6in1 Tomatoes, Bianca Dinapoli, Cento San Marzano, Jersey Fresh, Stainslaus or something similar. Most also use Grande cheese and doughs are nothing but Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast, maybe some sugar or honey or molasses, maybe some Malt Powder for browning, but thats about it.
What are you confused about exactly?
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and they are all ways of reducing calories to below maintenance to ensure weight loss.
No, they are all diet strategies, just like 'reducing calories below maintenance' is a diet strategy. An application of a fictional model that loosely corresponds to reality. For most people, if it helps then achieve their goals it's a 'true, proven' model. 'calories in, calories out' might be the only model you need to achieve your goals, but that doesn't 'prove' anything.
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No, they are all diet strategies, just like 'reducing calories below maintenance' is a diet strategy. An application of a fictional model that loosely corresponds to reality. For most people, if it helps then achieve their goals it's a 'true, proven' model. 'calories in, calories out' might be the only model you need to achieve your goals, but that doesn't 'prove' anything.
A paragraph of pure waffle... Cals in = calls out isn't a "diet strategy" , I wanted to scream CU.NT reading this rubbish
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Eat less than you need to maintain and you will lose weight.
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I await this great getbiggers response
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
Woke up the next morning ripped to the bone.
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and they are all ways of reducing calories to below maintenance to ensure weight loss.
you eat more than to burn off you dont lose weight.
Telling someone top eat less is just too easy, and simply doesn't sell, tell them they need an App to track their macros and they are all over it.
There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?
On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.
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There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?
On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.
be there is a very good bber and masters class as well now he's been in shape for decades,,
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be there is a very good bber and masters class as well now he's been in shape for decades,,
So? Does That Mean He Doesn't Say "Duh," A Lot?
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A paragraph of pure waffle... Cals in = calls out isn't a "diet strategy" , I wanted to scream CU.NT reading this rubbish
Actually, it is. Tell me, when was the last time you participated in indirect calorimetry to determine your BMR and carbon/oxygen ratio during exercise? When was the last time you examined your stool and urine to determine nutrient absorbption?
Never? So you mean to tell me, you really don't know how many cals are going in and out? Much like every other human who has ever lived?
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I know when I eat less and exercise more I look better than when I eat more and train less, your just trying to sound clever, as I said "CUN.T"
I've been large and in shape going on 20 yrs, all you clever fuckers end up looking like shit the vast majority of the time
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eat 8 -12 ounces of meat in the early morning, your'e good until the late afternoon. Eat the same cal for cal of just carbs, you're hungry as shit by 10:30 AM. High carb low cal may lose weight, but it's very hard to follow IMO. Plus there's always "am I getting enough protein" in question to minimize atrophy. just my 2 cents.
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i mean for the most part i follow some structure,protein/carbs/fats,,and change ratio's around depending on time of the year.i don't compete anymore but maintain a build close to my younger days i'm 48 now.eating to be healthy and training hard as one can is different than training hard and dieting for a show both good build one is more extreme in the end in terms of muscle/condition.eating to have a nice build is easy dieting for a show is a mother******...
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I know when I eat less and exercise more I look better than when I eat more and train less, your just trying to sound clever, as I said "CUN.T"
I've been large and in shape going on 20 yrs, all you clever fuckers end up looking like shit the vast majority of the time
You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.
And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you. So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.
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You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.
And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you. So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.
There's no misunderstanding, you try to make something simple sound complex to try and look intelligent...good for you
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There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?
On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.
I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.
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You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.
And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you. So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.
In shape?
You look malnourished.
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I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.
Organ weight? Can you elaborate.
What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?
In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.
The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.
The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.
Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.
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Organ weight? Can you elaborate.
What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?
In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.
The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.
The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.
Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.
You are overthinking it
Chill the fuck out and put less food in your gob, it does the same thing
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In shape?
You look malnourished.
How convenient, your bloodhound tenacity goes on vacation every time I post an update picture. Oh well, reality marches on without you or the knuckledragger I was bothering with.
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There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?
On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.
not if you train your ass off and take gear
you can eat whatever the fuck you want and look great, as long as you don't overeat
fyi, yesterday I ate an egg and bacon mc wrap and coffee with a ton of milk and sugar for breakkie for lunch I had 2 chicken breast and sugar cookies for din din I went to the chink restaurant and had 2 egg rolls and shrimp fried rice and I'm sitting @ a dry 6-7% with veins on my abs and all over my calves quads and forearms with an ab skinfold of 5 mm
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How convenient, your bloodhound tenacity goes on vacation every time I lost an update picture. Oh well, reality marches on without you or the knuckledragger I was bothering with.
Your reality bares little resemblance to actual reality.
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Your reality bares little resemblance to actual reality.
wow, this brutal insult might have even more sting without the gradeschool word choice error
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You are overthinking it
Chill the fuck out and put less food in your gob, it does the same thing
:D Great advice
Back to reading Flex methinks
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I would never say something so stupid as that.
However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.
I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.
Better than anything you can buy certainly.
Please post the recipe.
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I would never say something so stupid as that.
However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.
I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.
Better than anything you can buy certainly.
If you think you can make pizza at home better than you get from a regular old NY style pizza place you are delusional.
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If you think you can make pizza at home better than you get from a regular old NY style pizza place you are delusional.
Oh shit, here we go.............
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not if you train your ass off and take gear
you can eat whatever the fuck you want and look great, as long as you don't overeat
I Don't Use Gear, Nor Do I Recommend It To Others. It's Not Healthy, And All The Balloon Boys On Gear, Deflate, As Soon As They Are Off Gear. It's Not Real Muscle, Or That Wouldn't Happen.
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Organ weight? Can you elaborate.
What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?
In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.
The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.
The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.
Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.
I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.
The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.
Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.
Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.
The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!
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I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.
The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.
Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.
Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.
The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!
Yadda fucking yadda
Post a pic of your current shape and condition you white coated fuckwit
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I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.
What I Posted Is Real Science. What You Do Is "Bro Science."
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What I Posted Is Real Science. What You Do Is "Bro Science."
Looking awesome year round is bro science?
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Looking awesome year round is bro science?
Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.
So What's Your Problem?
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What is this retarded BS
Calories determine weight loss or weight gain
Protein determines muscle retention or muscle gain
Carbs and fats make very little difference in the big picture and should be set for your adherence
2000kcal 200g protein diet high fat very low carb
2000kcal 200g protein diet high car very low fat
No fucking difference
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What is this retarded BS
Calories determine weight loss or weight gain
Protein determines muscle retention or muscle gain
Carbs and fats make very little difference in the big picture and should be set for your adherence
2000kcal 200g protein diet high fat very low carb
2000kcal 200g protein diet high car very low fat
No fucking difference
You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?
Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.
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Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.
So What's Your Problem?
My problem, it's your problem, neither Steve reeves or reg park would not have had a fucking clue as to the drivel you keep posting.
They did everything by the mirror.
Way to go to destroy your own argument.
Any sign of your picture?
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You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?
Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.
Try both diets and see how much difference it makes.
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Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.
So What's Your Problem?
Do you know what Reeves diet was?
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You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?
Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.
Yep...
Once calories are set & protein is set
Wherever carbs and fats fall makes
No difference as shown by metabolic ward studies
Time and time again. The most accurate way of controlling someone's food.
So I state again set your calories, set your protein and wherever carbs and fats fall is a matter of personal preference cos it will make shit all difference to your body composition results
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Yep...
Once calories are set & protein is set
Wherever carbs and fats fall makes
No difference as shown by metabolic ward studies
Time and time again. The most accurate way of controlling someone's food.
So I state again set your calories, set your protein and wherever carbs and fats fall is a matter of personal preference cos it will make shit all difference to your body composition results
Fat Is Needed By The Body To Build Muscle Tissue, For Your Brain And Nerves To Function Properly, To Have An Immune System To Effectively Fight Diseases, To Produce The Hormones Your Body Needs, Such As Testosterone And Growth Hormone.
Carbs Only Make Body Fat.
No One Gets BIG On 2000 Calories Per Day. If You Want To Get Big, Then Eat Big, Mostly Fats And Proteins From Animals Sources.
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You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?
Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.
:D
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I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Crab, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.
The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.
Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.
Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.
The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!
Good points, especilly about the fart powder.
The Insulin Index is a method used in conjunction with the GI measurement. It is was supposed for decades that diabetes was only due to high glycemic foods, however, this was debunked in studies were high postprandial insulin levels were measured in people who hadn't et any carbs.
It's an interesting debate nevertheless, and way of eating that suits some, but unmanageable to most.
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Good points, especilly about the fart powder.
The Insulin Index is a method used in conjunction with the GI measurement. It is was supposed for decades that diabetes was only due to high glycemic foods, however, this was debunked in studies were high postprandial insulin levels were measured in people who hadn't et any carbs.
It's an interesting debate nevertheless, and way of eating that suits some, but unmanageable to most.
There Are Too Many Vagaries In Terminology In The Postprandial Studies Of Insulin Levels Of People Who Had "High" Insulin Levels Allegedly Without Eating Carbs. What Constitutes High Insulin Levels? Protein Do Spike Insulin Levels, But Nowhere Near As High As Carbs Do. What Foods Did The Test Subjects Really Eat? Saying No Carbs, As In What? The Carb Filled Whey Protein That Was In The Charts Above?
Many, Way Too Many, Supposedly Scientific Studies Are Done By The Food Industry, And/Or The Supplement Industry, And Are Designed To Produce A Specific Result, And Only Appear To Be Scientific, To Sell Products, in This Case Carbs. It Seems That Only In The Fields Of Nutrition And Physiology, That There Are Loads Of One Off Experiments, That Are Never Independently Repeated, That Are Passed Off To The General Public As "Science." That Doesn't Happen In Astronomy, Chemistry, Or Geology Even. If You Don't Want To Get Type II Diabetes, Lay Off The Carbs!
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There Are Too Many Vagaries In Terminology In The Postprandial Studies Of Insulin Levels Of People Who Had "High" Insulin Levels Allegedly Without Eating Carbs. What Constitutes High Insulin Levels? Protein Do Spike Insulin Levels, But Nowhere Near As High As Carbs Do. What Foods Did The Test Subjects Really Eat? Saying No Carbs, As In What? The Carb Filled Whey Protein That Was In The Charts Above?
Many, Way Too Many, Supposedly Scientific Studies Are Done By The Food Industry, And/Or The Supplement Industry, And Are Designed To Produce A Specific Result, And Only Appear To Be Scientific, To Sell Products, in This Case Carbs. It Seems That Only In The Fields Of Nutrition And Physiology, That There Are Loads Of One Off Experiments, That Are Never Independently Repeated, That Are Passed Off To The General Public As "Science." That Doesn't Happen In Astronomy, Chemistry, Or Geology Even. If You Don't Want To Get Type II Diabetes, Lay Off The Carbs!
If you eat 2000 cals and 800 cals of that 2000 comes from protein bearing in mind you are eating fats as well how do you eat too many carbs to cause enough insulin spikes to hinder fat loss?
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If you eat 2000 cals and 800 cals of that 2000 comes from protein bearing in mind you are eating fats as well how do you eat too many carbs to cause enough insulin spikes to hinder fat loss?
How! Really Dude, Work On That Reading Comprehension.
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Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training
This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously
But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.
I'm out.
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Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training
This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously
But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.
I'm out OF MY MIND!
Fixed!
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I give Eric credit for the tremendous display of insanity posting all words capitalized. Do you think he types that way or cuts and pastes the comment from a word document where he has converted to all words capitalized? Mid this, true insanity and quite sad.
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Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training
This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously
But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.
I'm out.
Not for me. I experimented with this last time I was cutting...did 4 weeks with a mixture of carbs, fats and proteins at around 2400 cals. Then switched to a keto type diet for 4 weeks, same calories, and saw a big difference in fat loss.
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I give Eric credit for the tremendous display of insanity posting all words capitalized. Do you think he types that way or cuts and pastes the comment from a word document where he has converted to all words capitalized? Mid this, true insanity and quite sad.
lol
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Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training
This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously
But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.
I'm out.
Wow, most idiotic comment on this post.
Being out there and having experience working with large numbers of clients tends to differentiate what actually works in the real world from some theoretical overly simplistic nonsense that may be suitable for some but a complete disaster for others.
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I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.
The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.
Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.
Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.
The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!
In No Parallel Universe Is Heavy Cream Better For Decreasing Body Fat Than A Yam, Avocado Or Coconut Oil.
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In No Parallel Universe Is Heavy Cream Better For Decreasing Body Fat Than A Yam, Avocado Or Coconut Oil.
Well, In This Universe It Is. That's Aside From The Difficulty One Would Have Mixing Whey Protein Isolate With Either Yams, Avocados, Or Coconut Oil.
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Not for me. I experimented with this last time I was cutting...did 4 weeks with a mixture of carbs, fats and proteins at around 2400 cals. Then switched to a keto type diet for 4 weeks, same calories, and saw a big difference in fat loss.
I did the opposite, I ate very low carbs and stalled, I then added carbs AND calories and had a kickstart of fat loss, I felt 100% better and could train much better and was full and vascular all the time.
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How! Really Dude, Work On That Reading Comprehension.
You use that statement in the same way a conspiracy theorist uses the term "do your own research"
Its when you have no idea what to respond with.
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I give Eric credit for the tremendous display of insanity posting all words capitalized. Do you think he types that way or cuts and pastes the comment from a word document where he has converted to all words capitalized? Mid this, true insanity and quite sad.
x2
I can't read a single post of his, don't know how others do it (...presuming anyone does?)
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So, have we found any current Olympic athletes who will be competing in Rio on a Ketogenic diet? I haven't. From Decathletes to Sprinters to Distance Runners, they all seem to be taking in Carbs.
I think the problem is that most sports require intense activity.
Now, if "Leisurely Walking" ever became an Olympic sport, then we might see Keto adapted athletes thrive.
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Not for me. I experimented with this last time I was cutting...did 4 weeks with a mixture of carbs, fats and proteins at around 2400 cals. Then switched to a keto type diet for 4 weeks, same calories, and saw a big difference in fat loss.
One's insulin sensitivity plays a key role in theamount of carbohydrates any individual can handle, some folk just look at white rice and it sends them off the scale. Not including the insulin dolls that frequent today's thong pagentry.
For most of the non athletic, sedentary, lazy-ass and aging population, practicing a ketogenic diet would be a very good idea.
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Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.
So What's Your Problem?
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One's insulin sensitivity plays a key role in theamount of carbohydrates any individual can handle, some folk just look at white rice and it sends them off the scale. Not including the insulin dolls that frequent today's thong pagentry.
For most of the non athletic, sedentary, lazy-ass and aging population, practicing a ketogenic diet would be a very good idea.
The idea that people who fit that description would stick to such a restrictive diet is a stretch at best.
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The idea that people who fit that description would stick to such a restrictive diet is a stretch at best.
Very true, most folk don't give a shit about what they eat, hence their obesity, diabetis and whatever other debilitating "lofestyle" conditions they may have.
Only the truely dedicated and enlightened could follow such a path :D
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Wow, most idiotic comment on this post.
Being out there and having experience working with large numbers of clients tends to differentiate what actually works in the real world from some theoretical overly simplistic nonsense that may be suitable for some but a complete disaster for others.
The real world being people lie about what their eating
In controlled metabolic ward studies it shows true, not theoretical dicktard
Hence people should eat the diet that they can adhere to whilst getting adequate protein, don't have to be high carb and doesn't have to be low carb high fat.
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Some interesting low carbohydrate recipes
http://www.dietdoctor.com/
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So, have we found any current Olympic athletes who will be competing in Rio on a Ketogenic diet? I haven't. From Decathletes to Sprinters to Distance Runners, they all seem to be taking in Carbs.
I think the problem is that most sports require intense activity.
Now, if "Leisurely Walking" ever became an Olympic sport, then we might see Keto adapted athletes thrive.
oddly i see anecdotes from people on this board (go4it, wannabepro (i think)), and elsewhere (joe rogan podcast) who claim to have great energy in the gym on keto. what do you think is going on here? not really in ketosis? or coasting on glycogen from refeeds?
i think the latter might be possible -- seems most "pro-keto" "athletes" do some sort of refeed. a few years ago everyone talked about "carb cycling", now that's a term you don't hear much anymore. maybe everyone just calls it "ketosis" instead. ???
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oddly i see anecdotes from people on this board (go4it, wannabepro (i think)), and elsewhere (joe rogan podcast) who claim to have great energy in the gym on keto. what do you think is going on here? not really in ketosis? or coasting on glycogen from refeeds?
i think the latter might be possible -- seems most "pro-keto" "athletes" do some sort of refeed. a few years ago everyone talked about "carb cycling", now that's a term you don't hear much anymore. maybe everyone just calls it "ketosis" instead. ???
Who exactly are these "Pro Keto" athletes? The name that keeps popping up is Zack Bitter, an Ultra Runner, but, I've checked out his blog and he list carb drinks, soda and candies as his "fuel.":
Xendurance Fuel - 5 (5 scoops)
Xendurance Hydro-X (2 scoops)
Xendurance - Xtreme Endurance
Vespa Ultra Concentrate (3 packs)
Water and sports drink from aid staions
5 hard candies
Moreover, all the studies cited about Low carb athletic performance have the participants training at VO2 Max rates in the 60s. That's jogging pace. It's obvious that Phinney and Volek had no interest in seeing how performance is affected at a high VO2 Max rate.
If you want to make a case for Keto, it sure isn't from an athletic performance standpoint.
Anecdotes are just talk. I'd rather study how world class athletes perform, and if the argument is that these athletes would be even better on a Keto diet, prove it, and don't come up with bullshit excuses about how no one will try it. If it truly increased performance there would be plenty of volunteers.
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So, have we found any current Olympic athletes who will be competing in Rio on a Ketogenic diet? I haven't. From Decathletes to Sprinters to Distance Runners, they all seem to be taking in Carbs.
I think the problem is that most sports require intense activity.
Now, if "Leisurely Walking" ever became an Olympic sport, then we might see Keto adapted athletes thrive.
There are zero carb communities on the web, people have ran marathons on zero carb diets. They claim it's the best health decision they ever made. I don't do it, but just saying.
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There are zero carb communities on the web, people have ran marathons on zero carb diets. They claim it's the best health decision they ever made. I don't do it, but just saying.
A lot of people talk a good game on the Internet. If you assumed all of it is bullshit, you'd be right 90% of the time.
This guy, Jimmy Moore, wrote a book about Keto, has had a low carb Podcast for several years, hosts a low carb cruise every year and here's the result:
(https://paleomagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/jimmy.jpg)
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Then you have athletes like Chad OchoCinco Johnson who ate Mcdonalds only 3 to 4 times a day his entire career, makes you wonder about all this diet bullshit..
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A lot of people talk a good game on the Internet. If you assumed all of it is bullshit, you'd be right 90% of the time.
This guy, Jimmy Moore, wrote a book about Keto, has had a low carb Podcast for several years, hosts a low carb cruise every year and here's the result:
(https://paleomagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/jimmy.jpg)
check this site out : https://zerocarbzen.com/
it looks dumb, but it has a lot of interesting articles, esp on getting vitamin c on a meat only diet
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Who exactly are these "Pro Keto" athletes? The name that keeps popping up is Zack Bitter, an Ultra Runner, but, I've checked out his blog and he list carb drinks, soda and candies as his "fuel."
Just.to be clear, by 'pro-keto athlete' I dont mean a professional athlete, performing at the highest level. I just mean a keto-advocate who is reasonably accomplished -- people like go4it or Kyle Kingsbury, the former MMA fighter who talked about it on rogan podcast.
I'm curious because these people lift weights and do intense workouts -- I'm sure their power output exceeds 60% vo2max... So who to believe? Seems like such an easy question to answer, but I've never met anyone in real life on ketosis who wasn't a fat slob, so I don't know...
The whole nutritional world is so full of bullshit, especially in connection with 'fitness', 'performance', 'longevity' and all that, it's hard to trust anyone. Way too many people in this world trying to make a living by over promising on the power of 'X', whether that be nutrition, exercise, this that or the other.
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Just.to be clear, by 'pro-keto athlete' I dont mean a professional athlete, performing at the highest level. I just mean a keto-advocate who is reasonably accomplished -- people like go4it or Kyle Kingsbury, the former MMA fighter who talked about it on rogan podcast.
I'm curious because these people lift weights and do intense workouts -- I'm sure their power output exceeds 60% vo2max... So who to believe? Seems like such an easy question to answer, but I've never met anyone in real life on ketosis who wasn't a fat slob, so I don't know...
The whole nutritional world is so full of bullshit, especially in connection with 'fitness', 'performance', 'longevity' and all that, it's hard to trust anyone. Way too many people in this world trying to make a living by over promising on the power of 'X', whether that be nutrition, exercise, this that or the other.
What was your caloric amount at your leanest and have you gained any weight since you increased calories. Also what did you increase them to?
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What was your caloric amount at your leanest and have you gained any weight since you increased calories. Also what did you increase them to?
2000-2500 at leanest, when i weighed around 165. i've only weighed myself once in the past few months, but i was about 190. cals ~4000-5000, but my training has changed. thinking about doing a triathlon or ironman, hence the increased cals.
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Then you have athletes like Chad OchoCinco Johnson who ate Mcdonalds only 3 to 4 times a day his entire career, makes you wonder about all this diet bullshit..
Are you really comparing an elite athlete to bodybuilders?
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Just.to be clear, by 'pro-keto athlete' I dont mean a professional athlete, performing at the highest level. I just mean a keto-advocate who is reasonably accomplished -- people like go4it or Kyle Kingsbury, the former MMA fighter who talked about it on rogan podcast.
I'm curious because these people lift weights and do intense workouts -- I'm sure their power output exceeds 60% vo2max... So who to believe? Seems like such an easy question to answer, but I've never met anyone in real life on ketosis who wasn't a fat slob, so I don't know...
The whole nutritional world is so full of bullshit, especially in connection with 'fitness', 'performance', 'longevity' and all that, it's hard to trust anyone. Way too many people in this world trying to make a living by over promising on the power of 'X', whether that be nutrition, exercise, this that or the other.
I didn't hear the Rogan Podcast with Kingsbury, but, he was on Jimmy Moore's Podcast, too and said he started Keto AFTER he retired from MMA which was only in 2014:
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“There’s only one instance where I feel being in ketosis all the time hampers me and that’s with a single rep max effort. Any multiple rep attempt doesn’t seem to lack a low gear for energy while in ketosis.” — Kyle Kingsbury
AFTER completing his MMA career in 2014, Kyle decided to focus on optimizing his nutrition as a means for improving his athletics. That’s what led him to study and implement the low-carb, high-fat, ketogenic diet into his routine. Now he spreads the word about living better through lifestyle choices. Listen in as Kyle and I discuss his progression as an athlete, what his old diet looked like compared to how he eats today, his views on and uses of fasting, the practical application of ketogenic diets in athletic performance, and all the amazing benefits that come from eating keto. It’s great hearing from someone like Kyle who is a fabulous advocate for nutritional ketosis.
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I did hear Mark Sisson on Rogan's Podcast. Sisson made a claim that future record holders in the Marathon will be Ketogenic Athletes. Of course, with Sisson's background and name value, he could train this new generation of Keto Super Athletes, but instead chooses to hawk "Primal Mayonaise."
My experience with people who continually claim to be on Atkins is the same as yours: They're all fat fucks with a lot of excuses.
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My experience with people who continually claim to be on Atkins is the same as yours: They're all fat fucks with a lot of excuses.
Don't Confuse What Has Become The Atkins Diet With Keto. Dr. Atkins Sold His Name And Diet To A Corporation, And Thereby Lost All Control Over Both. He Tried To Get The Contract Overturned In Court, But Lost. So The Corporation Started Selling A Whole Lot Of Horse Shit Carb Products, And Promoted The Shit Out Of The "Net Carbs" Nonsense That Made The Diet Worthless. That Corporation Was Bought Out After Atkins Died, And Now Is Part Of A Huge Snack (Junk) Food Company. Lots Of People Think The New Version Of Atkins Diet, Is The Same As The Diet He First Started Promoting In The Early 1970s. It's Not!
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Don't Confuse What Has Become The Atkins Diet With Keto. Dr. Atkins Sold His Name And Diet To A Corporation, And Thereby Lost All Control Over Both. He Tried To Get The Contract Overturned In Court, But Lost. So The Corporation Started Selling A Whole Lot Of Horse Shit Carb Products, And Promoted The Shit Out Of The "Net Carbs" Nonsense That Made The Diet Worthless. That Corporation Was Bought Out After Atkins Died, And Now Is Part Of A Huge Snack (Junk) Food Company. Lots Of People Think The New Version Of Atkins Diet, Is The Same As The Diet He First Started Promoting In The Early 1970s. It's Not!
Do you have evidence of that, I cant find anything about it?
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Do you have evidence of that, I cant find anything about it?
I Heard Gary Null Talking About It. The Judge Also Prohibited Atkins From Bad Mouthing The Company In Public, As The Company Paid Him Well, And They Didn't Want His Diet's Reputation, That They Bought, Sullied, By Him Denouncing It, As He Was Intending To Do. The Judge Also Sealed The Court Records. Dr. Atkins And Gary Null Were Friends, Even Though Their Philosophies Were Quite Different.
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Blah blah blah. It's just talk on the Internet
The Keto Gurus have been running their mouths and citing meaningless studies for years with no performances to show for it:
Eliud Kilpchoge is someone who actually performs. He's the top Marathon Runner in the world and here's how he eats:
“On a training day I will have tea and bread in the morning. For lunch or dinner I like to have ugali (a starchy, energy-dense Kenyan staple) with some protein from eggs or meat. On the evening before a race I have rice, spaghetti or ugali."
But, I'm sure he'd be much faster if he just dropped the Ugali and started pouring Coconut Oil on his eggs and heavy cream on his meat.
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Blah blah blah. It's just talk on the Internet
The Keto Gurus have been running their mouths and citing meaningless studies for years with no performances to show for it:
Eliud Kilpchoge is someone who actually performs. He's the top Marathon Runner in the world and here's how he eats:
“On a training day I will have tea and bread in the morning. For lunch or dinner I like to have ugali (a starchy, energy-dense Kenyan staple) with some protein from eggs or meat. On the evening before a race I have rice, spaghetti or ugali."
But, I'm sure he'd be much faster if he just dropped the Ugali and started pouring Coconut Oil on his eggs and heavy cream on his meat.
The Vast Majority Of Top Athletes Are Has Beens, By The Time They Are Thirty. So I Therefore Suggest To You, That Their Diets Are Not Optimal For Long Term Health, Strength And Vitality, With Their Short Term Athletic Careers As Living Proof Of That. According to the NFL Players Union, The Average Life Span Of An NFL Player Is 58 years.
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Are you really comparing an elite athlete to bodybuilders?
I'm comparing humans with humans, I work with around 1000 employees, lots of my closest friends are black, I see what these guys eat on a daily basis and it boggles my mind, I'm talking a breakfast of cheese eggs, bacon, hash browns covered in ketchup, pancakes with loads of syrup, washing it down with a sugary juice, and these guys stay ripped...don't even train, just pushups in their cabin and sex with as many girls possible, so I think nutrition can definitely help, but I think what it ultimately boils down to is genes..
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I'm comparing humans with humans, I work with around 1000 employees, lots of my closest friends are black, I see what these guys eat on a daily basis and it boggles my mind, I'm talking a breakfast of cheese eggs, bacon, hash browns covered in ketchup, pancakes with loads of syrup, washing it down with a sugary juice, and these guys stay ripped...don't even train, just pushups in their cabin and sex with as many girls possible, so I think nutrition can definitely help, but I think what it ultimately boils down to is genes..
Being young helps, a lot. As you get older, you have to do things right both with training and diet. This applies to even the most gifted athletes.
Bo Jackson:
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I'm comparing humans with humans, I work with around 1000 employees, lots of my closest friends are black, I see what these guys eat on a daily basis and it boggles my mind, I'm talking a breakfast of cheese eggs, bacon, hash browns covered in ketchup, pancakes with loads of syrup, washing it down with a sugary juice, and these guys stay ripped...don't even train, just pushups in their cabin and sex with as many girls possible, so I think nutrition can definitely help, but I think what it ultimately boils down to is genes..
Seems to be two types of blacks. Those that eat what they want and stay lean and those that eat what they want and blow up like whales. I wonder if someone traced their ancestory back to Africa if they come from different tribes.
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Seems to be two types of blacks. Those that eat what they want and stay lean and those that eat what they want and blow up like whales. I wonder if someone traced their ancestory back to Africa if they come from different tribes.
Panthers and Hippos?
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I Heard Gary Null Talking About It. The Judge Also Prohibited Atkins From Bad Mouthing The Company In Public, As The Company Paid Him Well, And They Didn't Want His Diet's Reputation, That They Bought, Sullied, By Him Denouncing It, As He Was Intending To Do. The Judge Also Sealed The Court Records. Dr. Atkins And Gary Null Were Friends, Even Though Their Philosophies Were Quite Different.
Thats hearsay, do you have any evidence this case ever went to court apart from an eavesdropped conversation?
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Thats hearsay, do you have any evidence this case ever went to court apart from an eavesdropped conversation?
I Don't Understand Why You Question It, Or Why You Think That I Would Waste My Time Making It Up. Dr. Robert Atkins Had A Radio Show. After He Had Made The Deal, He Found Out What The Corporation, Bearing His Name, Was Doing, And He Bitched About It On The Air. They Sued Him. He Counter Sued Them. They Won. He Lost. Records Sealed. So No Info Available On The Case.
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I Don't Understand Why You Question It, Or Why You Think That I Would Waste My Time Making It Up. Dr. Robert Atkins Had A Radio Show. After He Had Made The Deal, He Found Out What The Corporation, Bearing His Name, Was Doing, And He Bitched About It On The Air. They Sued Him. He Counter Sued Them. They Won. He Lost. Records Sealed. So No Info Available On The Case.
You see it puts your whole posting history under question, you are quoting this case as fact, if it isnt fact then why should anyone believe anything else you write.
now, did this case happen or not?
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You see it puts your whole posting history under question, you are quoting this case as fact, if it isnt fact then why should anyone believe anything else you write.
now, did this case happen or not?
Yes It Did. And, Records Of Law Suit Proceeding Are Sealed On A Regular Basis.
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Yes It Did. And, Records Of Law Suit Proceeding Are Sealed On A Regular Basis.
the burden of proof lies with he who affirms, you sir are full of shit.
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the burden of proof lies with he who affirms, you sir are full of shit.
You're An Idiot.
I Need To Get All My Luggage Ready, For My Ride, To Pick It, And Me, Up And Get Me To The Airport Later The Evening.
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You're An Idiot.
I Need To Get All My Luggage Ready, For My Ride, To Pick It, And Me, Up And Get Me To The Airport Later The Evening.
enjoy your holiday on your secluded beach with your shirt on.
As its an extended holiday and you will be having so much fun please try and refrain from posting, how long are you going for?
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enjoy your holiday on your secluded beach with your shirt on.
As its an extended holiday and you will be having so much fun please try and refrain from posting, how long are you going for?
I Shall Be Shirtless On The Beach.
It Will Take No Effort At All, To Not Waste My Time Posting On The Net, When I Have So Many Other Options To Pursue On Vacation. I Should Return Around Late August. I Know You Will Miss Me. Seems I'm The Only One Who Responds To Your Posts. I Guess Everyone Else Knows Better.
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I Shall Be Shirtless On The Beach.
It Will Take No Effort At All, To Not Waste My Time Posting On The Net, When I Have So Many Other Options To Pursue On Vacation. I Should Return Around 6th August. I Know You Will Miss Me. Seems I'm The Only One Who Responds To Your Posts. I Guess Everyone Else Knows Better.
fixed
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fixed
No. Just Stupid, As Everything Else That You Post.
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No. Just Stupid, As Everything Else That You Post.
Drop the caps and concentrate on grammar, its appalling.
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Drop the caps and concentrate on grammar, it's appalling.
Grammar? Fixed!