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What is the matter with this planet? Casualties are sure to climb. It was a Baptist church, so I'm not even sure who the culprit could be. He's been shot dead, hopefully by a gun toting citizen.
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What is the matter with this planet? Casualties are sure to climb. It was a Baptist church, so I'm not even sure who the culprit could be. He's been shot dead, hopefully by a gun toting citizen.
That would be nice, although the powers that be and media would try to change the story because it does not fit the narrative they are trying to weave these days
Too bad though, churches, synagogues, mosques and temples are supposed to be sanctuaries
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"More than a dozen people were shot at a Texas church Sunday, and there are believed to be multiple fatalities, law enforcement sources told ABC News."
More than a dozen people were shot at a Texas church Sunday, and there are believed to be multiple fatalities, law enforcement sources told ABC News.
The alleged shooter is dead, and it appears there is no more active threat, police told ABC News affiliate KSAT in San Antonio on Sunday afternoon.
Connally Memorial Center in nearby Floresville told ABC News it has received six people from the shooting.
The FBI and ATF are heading to the scene, ABC News has learned.
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Now they are saying 24 people are dead, including children.
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Fucked.
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Piew piew piew!!
Usa usa usa!!
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Update: 27 people killed, 24 injured.
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This planet, pure chaos.
And our "leaders" love it. LOVE it.
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When will they learn to carry a gun with them even into a church. Hell especially into a church.
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Mostly white church but a relatively good number of blacks attend as well. Strange situation.
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I hope America doesn't become a Savage Jungle.....it's sure is on the right path there
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People are fucked
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Media/Social Media will be the downfall of humanity. Humans seek conflict and with all of the media/Social Media, the process of Conflict engagement to resolution (mass death in some cases) is enhanced.
Humans are disgusting creatures.
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When people are getting gunned down praying but others thanking "the wonderful things god has done in my life" like winning olympias, it's all put into perspective on how absurd religion is.
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I hope America doesn't become a Savage Jungle.....it's sure is on the right path there
It’s actually the opposite with the exception of black inner cities which are experiencing record high crime rates. However, when some wack job goes off every now and it makes it seem worse.
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WTF.
Again someone shooting innocent people
As for religion -- Where was their God - Clearly not Looking after them people praying to that God.
Sad Sad day for those people & everyone
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Reports are that pastors 14 year old daughter was shot and killed, as well as a 2 year old.
http://nypost.com/2017/11/05/pastors-14-year-old-daughter-killed-in-texas-church-shooting/
Pastor Frank Pomeroy said his daughter Annabelle was among the at least 27 killed and dozens injured when a gunman opened fire inside the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, just before noon
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Praying for the victims
Sorry for your loss
Gun control
Could have happened anywhere
He was a great guy
Nobody saw this coming
We will come together as a community
#baptiststrong
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God does have a sense of humour after all....
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shot dead while praying then people say #prayersfor ? hmmmm seems a little ridiculous
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shot dead while praying then people say #prayersfor ? hmmmm seems a little ridiculous
Pray?
Gods made it pretty clear what he thinks of the people in that church
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Pray?
Gods made it pretty clear what he thinks of the people in that church
that they wouldnt be in DP's kitchen? :D
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soft target
/sôft ˈtärɡət/
noun
a person or thing that is relatively unprotected or vulnerable, especially to military or terrorist attack.
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guarantee this was all captured on camera... this church has a youtube channel with all the services recorded and uploaded.
this one here is from last week. Safe bet most of these people are dead or wounded :'( :'( :'( this is fucking sick
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Church shooting suspect identified as Devin Kelley, of New Braunfels, Texas, according to state and federal law enforcement sources
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soft target
/sôft ˈtärɡət/
noun
a person or thing that is relatively unprotected or vulnerable, especially to military or terrorist attack.
These phaggots aren't looking to get into any fair fights. Just looking to waste a bunch of innocent, defenseless people. Cowards.
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SHOOTER!!
https://everipedia.org/wiki/devin-kelley-1/
Devin Kelley, 26, received a diploma from New Braunfels High School. [2] He is a veteran of the US Air Force where he worked with logistics and supply. He also taught bible school.
In 2013, he briefly volunteered as a teacher's at Kingsville FBC, teaching 4-6 year old children about the Bible. '
Reports is that he entered the church in full gear.
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crazyness
porn couldve saved his mind yet we are bombarded with nfl coverage of men n very seldom showing most important cheerleaders upskirt
this world is about being more gay n violent
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SHOOTER!!
https://everipedia.org/wiki/devin-kelley-1/
Devin Kelley, 26, received a diploma from New Braunfels High School. [2] He is a veteran of the US Air Force where he worked with logistics and supply. He also taught bible school.
In 2013, he briefly volunteered as a teacher's at Kingsville FBC, teaching 4-6 year old children about the Bible. '
Reports is that he entered the church in full gear.
(https://everipedia-storage.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/ProfilePics/devin-kelley__18361_100x100.png)
just needs to say hes transitioning.
all will be forgiven....
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SHOOTER!!
https://everipedia.org/wiki/devin-kelley-1/
Devin Kelley, 26, received a diploma from New Braunfels High School. [2] He is a veteran of the US Air Force where he worked with logistics and supply. He also taught bible school.
In 2013, he briefly volunteered as a teacher's at Kingsville FBC, teaching 4-6 year old children about the Bible. '
Reports is that he entered the church in full gear.
(https://everipedia-storage.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/ProfilePics/devin-kelley__18361_100x100.png)
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he looks like kevin spacey coincidence?
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Absolutely insane.
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just needs to say hes transitioning.
all will be forgiven....
His FB was removed, but there were 2 small children posted. I assume his kids.
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(http://media.popculture.com/2017/05/dean-ambrose-luke-harper-400-20000771-1280x0.jpg)
Oh crap, looks just like Dean.
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When will they learn to carry a gun with them even into a church. Hell especially into a church.
You aren't allowed to unless given permission.
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You aren't allowed to unless given permission.
I'm armed every time I go to church, the US Constitution is gave me permission.
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Multiculturalism and all that results from it are driving people stark raving mad.
My take.
Everything's becoming an ever-more intensifying pressure cooker.
Mix in feeble minds and superstitious crackpots and ... shit hits the fan.
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Antifa/Refuse Fascism fail miserably yesterday in their pathetic attempt to stir up trouble and today this happens....weird.
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A local armed resident confronted the shooter and stopped the shooting. Let's see how quick the media moves to cover that up.
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A local armed resident confronted the shooter and stopped the shooting. Let's see how quick the media moves to cover that up.
Imagine that, as soon as the suspect was engaged he dropped his weapon and hauled ass outta there.
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Spent time in the Air Force.....was court martialed 3 years ago
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Spent time in the Air Force.....was court martialed 3 years ago
Fat POG.
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Ban guns ,extreme vetting for white people ,problem solved
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26 confirmed dead. Age range 5-72 years old.
2 year old injuredl
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No guns ,no shootings
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Just a good ol boy who loved his country and flag, probably ordered papa john pizza every night
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Next 20 pages about race and liberals vs republicans
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No guns ,no shootings
Who is gonna take on the mission of confiscating the millions of guns in the country, you? Good luck with that.
That dude in New York killed a shit-load of people the other day with a rented truck from Home Depot. Ban trucks? Ban Home Depot?
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WTF.
Again someone shooting innocent people
As for religion -- Where was their God - Clearly not Looking after them people praying to that God.
Sad Sad day for those people & everyone
I was wondering how many posts in the ignorance would show itself. On here, I'm surprised it took this long.
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Just a good ol boy who loved his country and flag, probably ordered papa john pizza every night
Judging him by his appearance alone he looks more like an Antifa leftist than a good ol boy.
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What's the over under on him being on SSRIs?
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Anyone know what trump's golf score card was today?
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No guns ,no shootings
Parishioner with in the church shot him dead. A lot died, more would have if wasn't shot
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WTF.
Again someone shooting innocent people
As for religion -- Where was their God - Clearly not Looking after them people praying to that God.
Sad Sad day for those people & everyone
Their God was not around because there are no God(s).
And although I strongly disagree with their beliefs, it is their right to worship in America as they wish--they should be able to do so without fear of getting killed.
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Copycat from Vegas?
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I thought I read he was killed after a police chase? Do parishioners routinely go with cops on police chases?
"Police say that Kelley was shot during or after a car chase with officers. "
I heard it was a neighbor of the church. Heard the shooting and went after the gunman with a rifle.
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Parishioner with in the church shot him dead. A lot died, more would have if wasn't shot
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No guns ,no shootings ,are you retarded?
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I just listened to a press conference on the radio and I'm not sure who was speaking, but one thing stood out and it was that he said the shooter had a ruger ar assault rifle. Now that may sound like a minor issue to some of you liberals but if it came from a law enforcement official it shows either a political agenda or gross incompetence about firearms, I am going with the former.
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No guns ,no shootings ,are you retarded?
Are YOU retarded? So you're FOR taking everyone's guns away from them? Sounds like more liberal retardation to me.
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Doesn't look like a Muzzie or a Junebug......
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/kelley6.jpg)
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I thought I read he was killed after a police chase? Do parishioners routinely go with cops on police chases?
"Police say that Kelley was shot during or after a car chase with officers. "
Apparently he ran when the parishioner fought back -
"Authorities revealed that a heroic and unidentified citizen in the church “grabbed his rifle and confronted the suspect,” who was armed with a “Ruger AR assault type rifle.” The local citizen pursued the suspect, who ran off the road and crashed and was found deceased in his vehicle. “We don’t know if it was a self inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by our local resident who engaged him with gunfire,” authorities said. It was the largest mass shooting in Texas history."
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Are YOU retarded? So you're FOR taking everyone's guns away from them? Sounds like more liberal retardation to me.
You could pass around two collection plates, one for offerings and one for guns. 😂
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Last Facebook post might have been a clue....
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No guns ,no shootings ,are you retarded?
No drugs, no drug addicts.
I thought I read he was killed after a police chase? Do parishioners routinely go with cops on police chases?
"Police say that Kelley was shot during or after a car chase with officers. "
Tackitt said Kelley was later found dead in the vehicle in Guadalupe County. The exact circumstances of his death are not known.
Johnnie Langendorff told KSAT's Garret Brngr that he witnessed the end of the shooting and said another man and Kelley exchanged gunfire after Kelley left the church. Langendorff said he and the man chased Kelley for several minutes in their vehicle.
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That like a $500 gun ::)
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No drugs, no drug addicts.
So, it wasn't a police chase then?
Sutherland Springs, TX - The gunman who opened fire in a Texas church on Sunday is dead following a pursuit by police, according to Guadalupe County Sheriff's Office.
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Ban guns ,extreme vetting for white people ,problem solved
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No drugs, no drug addicts.
No steroids ,no bodybuilding
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???
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No steroids ,no bodybuilding
No room 7, no gay 4 pay
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Could this be another false flag? Supposedly a white person shot and killed conservative white adults and children. Similar to the strange Las Vegas incident. Conservatives are against gun control. How is the Deep State trying to change that? By making them victims of guns to try and change their mind. I would not trust a word of what the MSM is spewing about this. The Las Vegas shooting has so many holes in it. I will not be surprised if this shooting at the church also falls apart.
From one of the comments on Zero Hedge:
"The only proof anyone needs, that ALL of this "terrorism" bullshit is false-flag/psy-op crap, is contained in the following statement:
Notice how the attacks are always on "poor, luck-less schmucks", and NEVER against the institutions, or organizations that are mucking everything up. "The Terrorists" NEVER attack government offices, or financial companies, environmental rapists, etc. Funny how these "crazy Arabs" never attack any Jewish targets, such as temples, yeshivas, the ADL's offices, or AIPAC."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/live-feed-witnesses-say-15-people-are-down-after-gunman-opens-fire-texas-church
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You'll never see that on MSM.
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Just the Vegas shooter (a white man ) killed more people than all of then combined
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Their God was not around because there are no God(s).
And although I strongly disagree with their beliefs, it is their right to worship in America as they wish--they should be able to do so without fear of getting killed.
You are a moron though. If there is no God or Creator as you claim, then why do you think they have a right to worship anything in America? In a random world there are no rights or wrongs. So where are your morals coming from - lol?!!
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Just the Vegas shooter (a white man ) killed more people than all of then combined
You been sparring with dj181 ???
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So, it wasn't a police chase then?
Sutherland Springs, TX - The gunman who opened fire in a Texas church on Sunday is dead following a pursuit by police, according to Guadalupe County Sheriff's Office.
No, a church member produced his own gun, chased him out and into a car chase, and either shot him or he killed himself.
Edit, there are conflicting reports.
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Just the Vegas shooter (a white man ) killed more people than all of then combined
What about this Asian??
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No, a church member produced his own gun, chased him out and into a car chase, and either shot him or he killed himself.
Weird that they are calling it a police chase.
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You'll never see that on MSM.
Not sure about it, the convert name was associated with hoax related to LV
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Weird that they are calling it a police chase.
Heaven forbid they admit if it was an armed citizen stopping the shooter. ::)
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Not sure about it, the convert name was associated with hoax related to LV
Shooter 2 from Vegas?
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Weird that they are calling it a police chase.
Why is it weird? You trust the media? Why do you trust them? You're an atheist. So by definition everything is random and therefore you can't trust anything.
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Weird that they are calling it a police chase.
Yeah, there are conflicting reports, I guess we'll have to wait a bit before a clear picture is known.
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You Americans and your guns. Will you ever learn?
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Yeah, there are conflicting reports, I guess we'll have to wait a bit before a clear picture is known.
Yes, I guess its best to take the "high road" until more information comes out. But, I am sure we will never know the whole story anyway.
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Shooter 2 from Vegas?
There was an apparent hoax where the LV went by the name Samir al-Hajeed as well, what someone quickly attributed to this guy.
“Samir al-Hajeed” and variations of the name “Sam Hyde” have featured in multiple mass shooting hoaxes in recent years. Sam Hyde is a real person — a “second-rate Internet comedian,” according to Forbes contributor Fruzsina Eordogh, who explained last year that “Sam Hyde is the shooter” has become a favorite meme of online trolls. Washington Post
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The Lord works in mysterious ways ::) .
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Yes, I guess its best to take the "high road" until more information comes out. But, I am sure we will never know the whole story anyway.
Here's the tale of the citizens chase -
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You Americans and your guns. Will you ever learn?
In Chicago they have gun control. And how is that helping? Criminals will always have guns.
But you are a moron for buying the MSM / Globalist narrative.
Gun crime in London increases by 42%
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500)
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Here's the tale of the citizens chase -
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Texas Johnny Falcon
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Here's the tale of the citizens chase -
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Ahhh, thanks!!
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Here's the tale of the citizens chase -
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Johnnie Langendorff is a good man
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The Lord works in mysterious ways ::) .
Moron. There is a Creator - but the Creator is not personal. Whether you live or die has nothing to do with the Creation. The Creator's Universe is one that is a gamble. Will you make it across the street safely tomorrow? Who knows - that's what makes the World interesting and non scripted.
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There is a Creator - but the Creator is not personal. Whether you live or die has nothing to do with the Creation. The Creator's Universe is one that is a gamble. =
How do you know all this stuff ?
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Last Facebook post might have been a clue....
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Poverty AR-15, poverty optic. My rifle laughs at this entry level rubbish.
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God does have a sense of humour after all....
Class act as always. I pray the Lord blesses you abundantly.
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Matthew 5:43.........You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…
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WTF.
Again someone shooting innocent people
As for religion -- Where was their God - Clearly not Looking after them people praying to that God.
Sad Sad day for those people & everyone
God was and is there redeeming souls that come to him in repentance and faith.
Believers are not promised an easy life. In fact they're promised a very difficult life if they remain in Christ.
The answer to humanity's evil is found in the very place these murders were committed. The faithful of God were gunned down mercilessly and now are in the eternal presence of our Lord, God and savior.
Some folks die peacefully in their sleep while others die because of twisted evil. Often when the evil of humanity is the source of death is God blamed for doing nothing. Yet objectors of God completely miss that Jesus Christ already provided the means to save humanity.....it's at our fingertips.
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The Lord works in mysterious ways ::) .
The Devil doesn't.
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The Devil doesn't.
Hahaha ''The Devil"
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Moron. There is a Creator - but the Creator is not personal. Whether you live or die has nothing to do with the Creation. The Creator's Universe is one that is a gamble. Will you make it across the street safely tomorrow? Who knows - that's what makes the World interesting and non scripted.
Since the creator you assert is impersonal how does anyone validate its existence? How can you confirm or deny anything at all about it?
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Since the creator you assert is impersonal how do validate its existence? How can you confirm or deny anything at all about it?
I think God is testing our faith , blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence
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Since the creator you assert is impersonal how does anyone validate its existence? How can you confirm or deny anything at all about it?
2 things
true story--I once went into a church spit in someones face and shouted "I am the Devil"
not true story but wanna do it badly
get in a communion line, and when I get up to the front and they go to give me that wafer and say the body of christ, I wanna cut my pinky finger off, hand it to the priest and say "The body of Satan".....Id say Im doin it within 5 years
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I think God is testing our faith , blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence
How are you being tested then?
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2 things
true story--I once went into a church spit in someones face and shouted "I am the Devil"
not true story but wanna do it badly
get in a communion line, and when I get up to the front and they go to give me that wafer and say the body of christ, I wanna cut my pinky finger off, hand it to the priest and say "The body of Satan".....Id say Im doin it within 5 years
I pray the Lord blesses you and your family with abundance, wisdom and loving grace.
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Only on getbig will MOS come in and get into a religious argument lol. He just cannot help himself. :D :D
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Only on getbig will MOS come in and get into a religious argument lol. He just cannot help himself. :D :D
I only ever engage in what others start. Much like you've already done before I entered the thread.
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Jesus is Lord.
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you and your kids can die in a gruesome grease fire,............slowly
I stand by my words. God bless you! MOS
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Jesus is Lord.
YES HE IS!!
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I only ever engage in what others start. Much like you've already done before I entered the thread.
No one directly engaged you. People made a general comment and you chose to directly engage them. You chose to respond to them
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No one directly engaged you. People made a general comment and you chose to directly engage them. You chose to respond to them
EXACTLY!! Perfect post.
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EXACTLY!! Perfect post.
I never stated that you started the debate. However, people made general comments (illuminati). You could have ignored his post and moved on. Thus, you're just as guilty for responding and carrying on the conversation.
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How are you being tested then?
I was a victim of child abuse
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I never stated that you started the debate. However, people made general comments (illuminati). You could have ignored his post and moved on. Thus, you're just as guilty for responding and carrying on the conversation.
You implied it and you know it LOL. Don't backpedal. Just be a man and own your words.....right or wrong.
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You implied it and you know it LOL. Don't backpedal. Just be a man and own your words.....right or wrong.
Implied what? I know you didn't start the debate. You came in later. However, you just can't help but respond to others. Illuminati didn't even address his comment to you. It was a GENERAL comment--would have been different if he called you out. You could have ignored it.
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I was a victim of child abuse
If that is true I'm truly sorry that happened. But how does that relate to your comment that the faithful will be tested when you mock them and are essentially faithless? You claimed to be among the ranks of the faithfully tested?
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Implied what? I know you didn't start the debate. You came in later. However, you just can't help but respond to others. Illuminati didn't even address his comment to you. It was a GENERAL comment--would have been different if he called you out. You could have ignored it.
Correct. I provide a Godly voice and challenge against the ungodly. I firmly and lovingly defend against antiChristian sentiments. I own that position fully and completely with no reservations.
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Correct. I provide a Godly voice and challenge against the ungodly. I firmly and lovingly defend against antiChristian sentiments.
So, if you're a man, then you will admit that you took part in carrying on the conversation, instead of ignoring it, like I originally implied.
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So, if you're a man, then you will admit that you took part in carrying on the conversation, instead of ignoring it, like I originally implied.
You implied that I started an argument...that I lashed out or attacked....a definite negative connotation. Show me from any of my posts how that's true.
If that wasnt your position then I was wrong but explain your motivation in your comment about my responses when you did the exact same thing 2-3 pages back defending atheism.
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You claimed to be among the ranks of the faithfully tested?
We are all being tested and we can all pass our tests, with the help of our Lord Jesus Christ
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So, if you're a man, then you will admit that you took part in carrying on the conversation, instead of ignoring it, like I originally implied.
I already said why I engaged. Laid it out simply. Answer my questions now.
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What is the matter with this planet? Casualties are sure to climb. It was a Baptist church, so I'm not even sure who the culprit could be. He's been shot dead, hopefully by a gun toting citizen.
I always ask this same question whn I find out that gtbig and gh15 are basically the same exact athletes under different names at times.. I'm talking about the legit athletes that is..
getting to the question at point.. I warned about this before.. I have a whole bible with pearls about this subject of generation nothingness..
its a generation of losers.. the generation is a failed one.. this is where you beging,, generation x could not bring to the world a good generation since generation x is a fucked up generation too when it comes to the FEMALES part of it,, the males are still ok in generation x.. but the females were and are whores.. whores.. whores! straight out the worst thing that could happen to the American fella is the Americana girl.. this is why I always recommend eastern Europe or Vietnam Asian girls,,
so back to the subject.. this generation.. generation nothingness was raised on snoop dogdog and puffdada.. this cant bring good things.. it created collapse of white society and culture.. it gve cultural control to getto thugs and to idiots who wanted to be like getto thugs.. they were scared of them and wanted to be like them.. started with the Americana white whore that now is neo feminist to the Americana idiot white boy that became a cuck like vanvile from gh15 taught me its called.. the white boys simply became cucks.. no ifs and no buts about it,,
this created the organization.. teror organization in campuses called antifa.. while barek Hussein Obama the islamo fascist Kenyan son of 1000 whores and his racist wife gave h2o to.. they breed it.. they spoilt it.. they promoted it.. and thus antifa became a legal teror organization tht hate the Americana symbols.. the great of all greats Columbus christpher and George hero Washington.. and really all American symbols been stepped on and destroyed by those antifa and blm hooligans.. thus created a twisted society that hates its own white people and religion.. thus creating this type of murderers walking among it,,
I can go on and on I can write million pages about it in good English but you are ill society.. sadly you are ill society.. the west is very ill and the 20th century wipe its ass with generation nothingness,,
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
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I flew into DFW (Dallas) airport tonight and I saw a ton of security around the airport and was wondering why. I just checked into my hotel room and it is all over the news. San Antonia is quite a ways away but they probably stepped up security in case of a copycat. Very sad, church is one place you should be able to feel safe IMO. No where is safe any more.
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Here's the tale of the citizens chase -
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I think I'll start wearing toothpicks.
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No guns ,no shootings
Ok. They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 than 1997 -2017. You gain nothing by banning guns, so why don't you try to ban morons and imbeciles? When morons don't have guns, they use arson, knifes, baseball bat, what ever to kiil dozens of people. You can't prevent anything by take away a tool, while there is plenty of another tools. Just take a truck and drive in the bunch of people. Arguments of the anti gun morons are childish and stupid, and there is no realism in them at all. By the law you can control only the guns of the law abiding citizens, and these kind of morons who are planning mass murders doesn't give a shit about your laws.
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Could this be another false flag? Supposedly a white person shot and killed conservative white adults and children. Similar to the strange Las Vegas incident. Conservatives are against gun control. How is the Deep State trying to change that? By making them victims of guns to try and change their mind. I would not trust a word of what the MSM is spewing about this. The Las Vegas shooting has so many holes in it. I will not be surprised if this shooting at the church also falls apart.
From one of the comments on Zero Hedge:
"The only proof anyone needs, that ALL of this "terrorism" bullshit is false-flag/psy-op crap, is contained in the following statement:
Notice how the attacks are always on "poor, luck-less schmucks", and NEVER against the institutions, or organizations that are mucking everything up. "The Terrorists" NEVER attack government offices, or financial companies, environmental rapists, etc. Funny how these "crazy Arabs" never attack any Jewish targets, such as temples, yeshivas, the ADL's offices, or AIPAC."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/live-feed-witnesses-say-15-people-are-down-after-gunman-opens-fire-texas-church
Of course it was, because everything what happen is USA is part of the conspiracy to kill all of the people in USA. Nothing happens randomly, it is always your government who are killing the people, and next they will be killing all of the tin foil hat morons like you. who make average morons look smart.
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What was this guy's motive?
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The church appears to record sermons for Youtube, so there may be footage of the attack.
Their channel:
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA)
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I think God is testing our faith , blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence
So this moron with his gun was a part of the Gods plan to test your faith, and this is how your God do it? Nice, if you can believe that kind of crap. But if he is all mighty, why all this killing? Why don't he test your faith by just slamming these kind of idiots to the ground by lightning? I bet it would increase people in the church by millions: "At the moment shooter was rising his weapon, there were a thunder and lightning in the church, and it strike shooter down before he was able to shoot ."..Fuck, after phenomena like that I would go to church and start praying like mad.
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YES HE IS!!
So explain why your lord allow this happen?
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The devil's children are among us.
Don't doubt it.
Joke if you like - it just shows you for the fool you are.
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The devil's children are among us.
Don't doubt it.
Joke if you like - it just shows you for the fool you are.
And as always, we just have to take your word for it...
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What was this guy's motive?
We'll never know because the media won't investigate the motive. He was a white gun owner and that's good enough for them.
Trump probably had something to do with it....or Russia. Yeah, Trump and Russia probably colluded and as a result, this happened. Something about white privilege and the patriarchy too.
The solution is to import millions of hostile, unemployable mooslims and take guns away from law abiding Americans. Yes, let the moolims rape our women and cut our heads off.....or run us over with trucks.
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What was this guy's motive?
Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.
DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.
Another beta loser.
Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".
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Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.
DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.
Another beta loser.
Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".
great screenname, 10/10,.....need to work on my future gimmick names after seeing yours
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Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.
DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.
Another beta loser.
Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".
It sounded like a local beef from the start. A guy from the area targeting a particular little church.
Ok. They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 than 1997 -2017. You gain nothing by banning guns, so why don't you try to ban morons and imbeciles? When morons don't have guns, they use arson, knifes, baseball bat, what ever to kiil dozens of people. You can't prevent anything by take away a tool, while there is plenty of another tools. Just take a truck and drive in the bunch of people. Arguments of the anti gun morons are childish and stupid, and there is no realism in them at all. By the law you can control only the guns of the law abiding citizens, and these kind of morons who are planning mass murders doesn't give a shit about your laws.
Before 911, in New York the biggest mass killing was some guy with a gallon of gas who set a nightclub on fire.
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what a surprise didn't see this coming? ???
of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue ::)
bunch of fkin idiots
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what a surprise didn't see this coming? ???
of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue ::)
bunch of fkin idiots
Funny how you didn’t show up when the Muzzie mowed down people in New York with a rented truck.
We’re also still waiting for your strategy on how to get guns off the street in Chicago where they have very strict gun laws:
Violent weekend leaves 11 dead as city marks 500 homicides - Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-homicides-20170918-story.html
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great screenname, 10/10,.....need to work on my future gimmick names after seeing yours
Not a gimmick...
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what a surprise didn't see this coming? ???
of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue ::)
bunch of fkin idiots
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I think you should be quiet...
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“If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. So it’s not that you are anti-gun. You’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns. So you’re very pro-gun; you just believe that only the Government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous…) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions.”
― Stefan Molyneux
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Babyslayer looking trim.
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Just out of curiosity, how many people do you think never got shot because they themselves had a gun? I mean, if you are in a church praying and someone opens up with an assault rifle what chance have you got? Same as if you are in a crowded disco or a packed bar, having a gun will not save you. In some circumstances being armed might, say if you were involved in a traffic incident and someone took exception to your driving, they approach you with a big iron bar in their hand, you pull out your gun and off they go. mebbe. might return with a bigger gun than yours of course.
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Just out of curiosity, how many people do you think never got shot because they themselves had a gun? I mean, if you are in a church praying and someone opens up with an assault rifle what chance have you got? Same as if you are in a crowded disco or a packed bar, having a gun will not save you. In some circumstances being armed might, say if you were involved in a traffic incident and someone took exception to your driving, they approach you with a big iron bar in their hand, you pull out your gun and off they go. mebbe. might return with a bigger gun than yours of course.
You are wrong and I'm sure most of your life choices up to this point have been wrong. A good example was creating this gimmick account. That was also wrong and you should feel bad. As it relates to guns and gunfights it's obvious that you are discussing something that you have no experience with and don't understand. Fortunately, reality isn't forced to fit into the tiny sphere of things that make sense to you. Some people do understand guns. Some people are trained and capable of fighting with a gun. People defending themselves and their fellow citizens with guns happens all the time all over the world. Look at the church shooting, a guy who was allegedly 80 years old shot at the suspect and made him flee.
With the Las Vegas shooting there was nothing you could do because the shooter was firing from a distant elevated position. Even if you had a capable weapon, the training to use it, and you spotted the bad guy...you couldn't return fire because you'd likely hit innocent people in the rooms near where the shooter was. The church situation was different. The fat kid couldn't engage all 50 church goers at once. A person with the correct skills could draw and put shots on target quickly. It would be difficult but it could be done. You'd need skill and a little luck. This fat shit wasn't looking to get into a gun fight, as soon as someone shot at him he took off. People like him want to shoot defenseless people. It doesn't take much to stop them because they are cowards.
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You are wrong and I'm sure most of your life choices up to this point have been wrong. A good example was creating this gimmick account. That was also wrong and you should feel bad. As it relates to guns and gunfights it's obvious that you are discussing something that you have no experience with and don't understand. Fortunately, reality isn't forced to fit into the tiny sphere of things that make sense to you. Some people do understand guns. Some people are trained and capable of fighting with a gun. People defending themselves and their fellow citizens with guns happens all the time all over the world. Look at the church shooting, a guy who was allegedly 80 years old shot at the suspect and made him flee.
With the Las Vegas shooting there was nothing you could do because the shooter was firing from a distant elevated position. Even if you had a capable weapon, the training to use it, and you spotted the bad guy...you couldn't return fire because you'd likely hit innocent people in the rooms near where the shooter was. The church situation was different. The fat kid couldn't engage all 50 church goers at once. A person with the correct skills could draw and put shots on target quickly. It would be difficult but it could be done. You'd need skill and a little luck. This fat shit wasn't looking to get into a gun fight, as soon as someone shot at him he took off. People like him want to shoot defenseless people. It doesn't take much to stop them because they are cowards.
I'm as murderous as the next guy, probably much more so, but you have to admit that the percentage of people who can do anything well under extreme pressure is minimal. The vast majority would still cower or freeze in this church scenario, no matter how much training they've had or how well armed they are. Nobody knows what they would do unless they've been through it before.
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I'm as murderous as the next guy, probably much more so, but you have to admit that the percentage of people who can do anything well under extreme pressure is minimal. The vast majority would still cower or freeze in this church scenario, no matter how much training they've had or how well armed they are. Nobody knows what they would do unless they've been through it before.
You are absolutely right. However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.
Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).
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You are absolutely right. However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.
Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).
Can we agree that firearm training (especially for concealed carry) should also include stress testing?
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Can we agree that firearm training (especially for concealed carry) should also include stress testing?
Yes, totally agree. Calmly, slowing shooting at paper targets is not the same thing as training to fight with a firearm.
Fortunately, there are a growing number of places that will provide people with real world tactical training. Much more in depth than a basic CCW course that does incorporate simulated stress.
Still no way to know for sure how you will react when bullets start flying for real.
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Yes, totally agree. Calmly, slowing shooting at paper targets is not the same thing as training to fight with a firearm.
Fortunately, there are a growing number of places that will provide people with real world tactical training. Much more in depth than a basic CCW course that does incorporate simulated stress.
Still no way to know for sure how you will react when bullets start flying for real.
and they will be attended by people intent on doing harm to others in mass shootings.
Fucks sake you are now training lunatics to be able to kill more people.
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Babyslayer looking trim.
Solid semi-obscure comment :).
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Babyslayer is George Leeman right?
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You are absolutely right. However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.
Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).
The thing is, he had already killed over two dozen people before he could be stopped. As phreak has said, many people would simply freeze if they hear gunfire in a real life situation. How many people have genuine battle experience to remain calm in that situation? When someone opens fire, there will be panic since nobody will know what the fuck is happening. Also, if someone pulls out their gun to stop the shooter, someone else may mistake them as the villain. It could turn chaotic with multiple people shooting at one another.
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Solid semi-obscure comment :).
You're welcome. :) I wanted to salute a tranny banger from another sport.
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The thing is, he had already killed over two dozen people before he could be stopped. As phreak has said, many people would simply freeze if they hear gunfire in a real life situation. How many people have genuine battle experience to remain calm in that situation? When someone opens fire, there will be panic since nobody will know what the fuck is happening. Also, if someone pulls out their gun to stop the shooter, someone else may mistake them as the villain. It could turn chaotic with multiple people shooting at one another.
All valid points, but what is the alternative? Sure, mistakes can and will be made during chaotic shootings. But if I ask you what you personally would want to do in such a situation, would you want to cower and be executed? Or at least attempt to save yourself and loved ones -- even if you may fail, or shoot the wrong person first, or even get shot by the wrong person while trying to stop the actual perpetrator?
Who would choose waiting for certain death, when there is a small chance that taking action could help?
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You are absolutely right. However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.
Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).
Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).
If true that man is a hero.
80yrs young & going strong.
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Babyslayer is George Leeman right?
Yeah, that was/is his bodybuilding.com name.
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God was and is there redeeming souls that come to him in repentance and faith.
Believers are not promised an easy life. In fact they're promised a very difficult life if they remain in Christ.
The answer to humanity's evil is found in the very place these murders were committed. The faithful of God were gunned down mercilessly and now are in the eternal presence of our Lord, God and savior.
Some folks die peacefully in their sleep while others die because of twisted evil. Often when the evil of humanity is the source of death is God blamed for doing nothing. Yet objectors of God completely miss that Jesus Christ already provided the means to save humanity.....it's at our fingertips.
This is very contradictory. There are too many biblical passages that claim god answers the prayers to the true and faith, ie faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains. It never mentions any caveats.
It also undermines the validity of god when your defense is simply, anything still goes and can happen. That is on par to something that's imaginary.
Surprised you didn't have the balls to say they all lacked the faith!
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The thing is, he had already killed over two dozen people before he could be stopped. As phreak has said, many people would simply freeze if they hear gunfire in a real life situation. How many people have genuine battle experience to remain calm in that situation? When someone opens fire, there will be panic since nobody will know what the fuck is happening. Also, if someone pulls out their gun to stop the shooter, someone else may mistake them as the villain. It could turn chaotic with multiple people shooting at one another.
So what are you saying, we should give up our right do defend ourselves and not bother trying because something bad might happen or our attempt to defend ourselves might not work?
We'd be better served to just sit there and wait for him to slay our family and shoot us in the face?
Nonsense.
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Ok. They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 than 1997 -2017.
I'm not interested in debating gun control (I don't see how it works in the US), but let's be clear. If you think you actually have a point with that pissant, fuckhead wool-over-eyes attempt at statistical manipulation, kill yourself now, so there is one less moron in your country.
I don't think you're a moron. I think you're a statistics weasel. A member of the group of gun lovers who can't just tell the truth and seek to lie to further their cause.
Start telling the truth
Homocide Rates
US per 100k 4.88
UK per 100k 0.92
26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually
You're safer in the UK without guns, period. Stop talking shit and start admitting that guns, when available, increase the homocide rate. It's okay. We all know they do. You don't have to post dickhead stats like the one you did to try to lie about that. Guns are fun, too, right? Guns make people feel like they have chance. It's not wrong to want to keep guns in your country. Just quit the bullshitting and keep to the truth. How do you get rid of 300 million guns in as long as time as it takes for a new regime to move in and repeal it? How do you stand tough when some people still die from guns and the media turns to spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to sell their papers, popularising the idea that the populace is not safe - having given in their guns, whilst the criminals maintain theirs?
Repulsive use of weak ass statistics not needed.
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I'm not interested in debating gun control (I don't see how it works in the US), but let's be clear. If you think you actually have a point with that pissant, fuckhead wool-over-eyes attempt at statistical manipulation, kill yourself now, so there is one less moron in your country.
I don't think you're a moron. I think you're a statistics weasel. A member of the group of gun lovers who can't just tell the truth and seek to lie to further their cause.
Start telling the truth
Homocide Rates
US per 100k 4.88
UK per 100k 0.92
26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually
You're safer in the UK without guns, period. Stop talking shit and start admitting that guns, when available, increase the homocide rate. It's okay. We all know they do. You don't have to post dickhead stats like the one you did to try to lie about that. Guns are fun, too, right? Guns make people feel like they have chance. It's not wrong to want to keep guns in your country. Just quit the bullshitting and keep to the truth. How do you get rid of 300 million guns in as long as time as it takes for a new regime to move in and repeal it? How do you stand tough when some people still die from guns and the media turns to spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to sell their papers, popularising the idea that the populace is not safe - having given in their guns, whilst the criminals maintain theirs?
Repulsive use of weak ass statistics not needed.
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Yes, totally agree. Calmly, slowing shooting at paper targets is not the same thing as training to fight with a firearm.
Fortunately, there are a growing number of places that will provide people with real world tactical training. Much more in depth than a basic CCW course that does incorporate simulated stress.
Still no way to know for sure how you will react when bullets start flying for real.
yes that is very fortunate because no future random massacre perp will think of attending one of the courses. just the good guys. ???
you people are so fkin stupid it's beyond belief. you actually deserve your shtty gun laws and all the consequences that come with it just for being such a bunch of absolute fkin dimwits.
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yes that is very fortunate because no future random massacre perp will think of attending one of the courses. just the good guys. ???
you people are so fkin stupid it's beyond belief. you actually deserve your shtty gun laws and all the consequences that come with it just for being such a bunch of absolute fkin dimwits.
Again, so what do you propose?
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and they will be attended by people intent on doing harm to others in mass shootings.
Fucks sake you are now training lunatics to be able to kill more people.
Sweet fuck, are there no men left on this planet? There are growing numbers of people that want to kill you and rape your women and children. There is en ever increasing number of mentally unstable people that have been taking crazy pills since they were 5 years old. The shit is going down, if now isn't the time to fight back when is? What are we waiting for?
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So what are you saying, we should give up our right do defend ourselves and not bother trying because something bad might happen or our attempt to defend ourselves might not work?
We'd be better served to just sit there and wait for him to slay our family and shoot us in the face?
Nonsense.
IF the guns could be removed, without question, you'd be statistically safer. You would be giving up the right to bear arms to be statistically safer. Now, unfortunately, most of america (and I bet I'd be the same ;D) thinks they are Captain Fucking America and if that shit happened, they would coolly execute the perps with tremendous style - so people aren't willing to say "well, I have no personal defence, but I'm less likely to need it anyway and I'm still less likely to die" because they believe themselves to be "above" the average stats. In a sense, you take the homocide rate of the US and say, divide it by 10 because I'm a stone cold fucking killa, who is always carrying.
And honestly, there may be truth to that. Homocide rate based on people who carry guns all the time. Would be an interesting stat. It could go either way, though - you may actually be statistically more likely to die by carrying a gun :)
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Again, so what do you propose?
get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
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So what are you saying, we should give up our right do defend ourselves and not bother trying because something bad might happen or our attempt to defend ourselves might not work?
We'd be better served to just sit there and wait for him to slay our family and shoot us in the face?
Nonsense.
What I'm saying is that the whole "good guy with gun stops a bad guy with gun" doesn't work as well in practice as it does in theory. Chances are, you're likely to get slain before you even figure out what's going on.
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yes that is very fortunate because no future random massacre perp will think of attending one of the courses. just the good guys. ???
you people are so fkin stupid it's beyond belief. you actually deserve your shtty gun laws and all the consequences that come with it just for being such a bunch of absolute fkin dimwits.
I hope the bad guys do take the classes, at least that would be a fair fight.
I'm curious Cucker, what Utopia do you hail from? Who are your countrymen?
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I'm not interested in debating gun control (I don't see how it works in the US), but let's be clear. If you think you actually have a point with that pissant, fuckhead wool-over-eyes attempt at statistical manipulation, kill yourself now, so there is one less moron in your country.
I don't think you're a moron. I think you're a statistics weasel. A member of the group of gun lovers who can't just tell the truth and seek to lie to further their cause.
Start telling the truth
Homocide Rates
US per 100k 4.88
UK per 100k 0.92
26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually
You're safer in the UK without guns, period. Stop talking shit and start admitting that guns, when available, increase the homocide rate. It's okay. We all know they do. You don't have to post dickhead stats like the one you did to try to lie about that. Guns are fun, too, right? Guns make people feel like they have chance. It's not wrong to want to keep guns in your country. Just quit the bullshitting and keep to the truth. How do you get rid of 300 million guns in as long as time as it takes for a new regime to move in and repeal it? How do you stand tough when some people still die from guns and the media turns to spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to sell their papers, popularising the idea that the populace is not safe - having given in their guns, whilst the criminals maintain theirs?
Repulsive use of weak ass statistics not needed.
To give a complete view we would also need the data on ALL forms of murder. Perhaps Brits are killing each other with knives or arson instead. Don't chastise someone for not disclosing the entire picture and then turn around and do it yourself.
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To give a complete view we would also need the data on ALL forms of murder. Perhaps Brits are killing each other with knives or arson instead. Don't chastise someone for not disclosing the entire picture and then turn around and do it yourself.
I gave the HOMOCIDE rates, you dunce.
That IS the complete picture.
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get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
Australia and the United States have fuck-all in common geographically and demographically.
Things don't happen in a vacuum.
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get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
Cannot speak for Australia, but guns have traditionally been very hard to get legally here in Holland. Background checks, mandatory courses, regular police visits to the home, etc. Yet the number of shootings is rising constantly, and rarely by someone who has a permit.
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What I'm saying is that the whole "good guy with gun stops a bad guy with gun" doesn't work as well in practice as it does in theory. Chances are, you're likely to get slain before you even figure out what's going on.
It is true that it does not work very well. Agreed. But the popular conclusion that therefore it is better to sit back and get shot is the better option, that is something I disagree with. Can't speak for your preferences, but I'd rather go out fighting -- no matter how ineptly. And since I reserve that right for myself, I have to also grant it to everyone else.
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I gave the HOMOCIDE rates, you dunce.
That IS the complete picture.
Still unsure what 'homocide' is. Must be something islamic.
I did check the homicide rates just now.
United States 4.88 15,696
United Kingdom 0.92 594
Quite a difference! All caused by the difference in gun availability? No other factors?
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Still unsure what 'homocide' is. Must be something islamic.
Oh right
It's murder, by any form.
Not english as first language?
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Oh right
It's murder, by any form.
Not english as first language?
:D Your spelling is actually wrong.
But indeed, I'm not a native speaker. I do know how to spell homicide though. ;D
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All valid points, but what is the alternative? Sure, mistakes can and will be made during chaotic shootings. But if I ask you what you personally would want to do in such a situation, would you want to cower and be executed? Or at least attempt to save yourself and loved ones -- even if you may fail, or shoot the wrong person first, or even get shot by the wrong person while trying to stop the actual perpetrator?
Who would choose waiting for certain death, when there is a small chance that taking action could help?
I'd rather have a gun with me for sure in that situation. However, I wouldn't really want to live in a society in which I'd be "on guard" every time I enter a public or enclosed space. Therefore, I'd probably be happier if I knew guns were just not easily available to anyone. I don't want to come across as some anti-gun liberal, but I'm not sure how much longer the US can avoid this issue.
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government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
The penalty for committing mass murder is death. If that doesn't discourage people from killing then why would a 10 year prison term?
We've banned cocaine and heroin and we have harsh mandatory sentencing for drug trafficking. So there should be no drugs in our country right?
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I wouldn't really want to live in a society in which I'd be "on guard" every time I enter a public or enclosed space.
That ship sailed unfortunately, worldwide, not just in the US.
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Quite a difference! All caused by the difference in gun availability? No other factors?
I'm not foolish enough to say all :)
I'm being fair by stating the homocide homicide rate to begin with.
I'm about being fair - I don't see how gun control succeeds in the america, as I stated (takes too long, varying political motives / media interference).
I just cannot abide people who will not admit the obviousness of having free access to a very quick form of murder as not being a large factor in the amount of people dying.
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:D Your spelling is actually wrong.
But indeed, I'm not a native speaker. I do know how to spell homicide though. ;D
Hah, touche'
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I'd rather have a gun with me for sure in that situation. However, I wouldn't really want to live in a society in which I'd be "on guard" every time I enter a public or enclosed space. Therefore, I'd probably be happier if I knew guns were just not easily available to anyone. I don't want to come across as some anti-gun liberal, but I'm not sure how much longer the US can avoid this issue.
I would not want to look over my shoulder all the time either. And perhaps it is easy for me to talk, because here you essentially do not get shot unless you are a criminal.
And quite frankly, I would not trust myself with a weapon... too volatile. Smashed a car's windscreen two weeks ago because it did not stop for me at a pedestrian crossing. So perhaps not suited for concealed carry, would have potentially shot the fucker. >:(
But still the question that Pray 4 War asks stands: What then? How does one defend oneself against a criminal that illegally obtained a gun? Vests for everyone?
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Still unsure what 'homocide' is. Must be something islamic.
I did check the homicide rates just now.
United States 4.88 15,696
United Kingdom 0.92 594
Quite a difference! All caused by the difference in gun availability? No other factors?
There is another factor in the United States, albeit a politically incorrect one:
Homicide rates by race. (per 100,000 population):
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680
20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)
4.9 for Hispanics
2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
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But still the question that Pray 4 War asks stands: What then? How does one defend oneself against a criminal that illegally obtained a gun? Vests for everyone?
An interesting question is just how much of gun death in america is criminal killing an innocent bystander? They hold on to that fear, but just how much is actually because of that?
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I'm not foolish enough to say all :)
I'm being fair by stating the homocide homicide rate to begin with.
I'm about being fair - I don't see how gun control succeeds in the america, as I stated (takes too long, varying political motives / media interference).
I just cannot abide people who will not admit the obviousness of having free access to a very quick form of murder as not being a large factor in the amount of people dying.
One love, homie. ;D
Sure guns play a large, likely major, part in the US homicide rate. The philosophical question is whether it is intrinsically bad. Is saving the maximum amount of innocents worth giving up the possibility for effective self defence? Essentially like the imam of London said, should we just learn to live with the fact that criminals can take our shit and our lives without us being able (or allowed) to do anything?
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An interesting question is just how much of gun death in america is criminal killing an innocent bystander? They hold on to that fear, but just how much is actually because of that?
Good point. If it is just criminals killing criminals, that would (to me) make a big difference in urgency.
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There is another factor in the United States, albeit a politically incorrect one:
Homicide rates by race. (per 100,000 population):
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680
20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)
4.9 for Hispanics
2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
Once you shoot black, they always shoot back?
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There is another factor in the United States, albeit a politically incorrect one:
Homicide rates by race. (per 100,000 population):
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680
20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)
4.9 for Hispanics
2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
We do need to subdivide those numbers.
How much of that is criminal killing other criminal? The crime rate is higher for blacks, so isn't it mostly likely that it's the ahh.. game in play?
It's not quite so damning if it's mostly just criminals killing other criminals
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The right to keep and bear arms is given to men by God. It is endowed to us by our creator and it recognized as such by the Constitution of the United States.
If anyone doesn't like that or doesn't understand it then that's tough shit for them.
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This is very contradictory. There are too many biblical passages that claim god answers the prayers to the true and faith, ie faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains. It never mentions any caveats.
It also undermines the validity of god when your defense is simply, anything still goes and can happen. That is on par to something that's imaginary.
Surprised you didn't have the balls to say they all lacked the faith!
Justify from scripture how it's contradictory don't simply assert that it is.
How does God answering prayers of the faithful and the faithful having a difficult life when in Christ stand at odds? You understand that when prayers are answered sometimes the answer is "no" right?
Straw man argument. Your words, not mine.
Who lacked faith? Explain.
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Once you shoot black, they always shoot back?
Europeans tend to have a fascination with American violence but for some reason have no interest in the details:
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2016-enforcement-report.pdf
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (70.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (26.9%) of all suspects. White suspects (1.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.6%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects.
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The right to keep and bear arms is given to men by God. It is endowed to us by our creator and it recognized as such by the Constitution of the United States.
If anyone doesn't like that or doesn't understand it then that's tough shit for them.
Your government doesn't give you a full right bear arms though. How many guns and weapons are you really allowed by law? Military grade weaponry are banned for instance. You must support some level of arm control, it just seems to depend on the extent.
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Your government doesn't give you a full right bear arms though. How many guns and weapons are you really allowed by law? Military grade weaponry are banned for instance. You must support some level of arm control, it just seems to depend on the extent.
There are probably more weapons you can't own compared to the weapons you can own.
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There are probably more weapons you can't own compared to the weapons you can own.
That's what I thought too (but wasn't sure). There clearly is a limit to the freedom of the average citizen when it comes to bearing arms. The US government obviously don't trust the civilian population having a similar fire-power to themselves. After all, a right to bear arms should surely mean all types of arms, and not just the least dangerous ones. Are Americans as free as they'd like to think they are?
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That's what I thought too (but wasn't sure). There clearly is a limit to the freedom of the average citizen when it comes to bearing arms. The US government obviously don't trust the civilian population having a similar fire-power to themselves. After all, a right to bear arms should surely mean all types of arms, and not just the least dangerous ones. Are Americans as free as they'd like to think they are?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That's the funny thing. The people who advocate for the 2nd Amendment, are only advocating for a very RESTRICTED 2nd Amendment. Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does it say that there are certain types of guns you cannot own. As such, why do they allow the government to restrict any type of guns they can own? The government is already infringing on their rights.
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Damn, 12-14 children were killed. :-\ :-\
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You been sparring with dj181 ???
;D
10/10
well done gayos
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The FBI just said he "may" have died from a self inflicted gunshot wound.
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Is this an attack on religion? Was he trying to send a message?
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Poverty AR-15, poverty optic. My rifle laughs at this entry level rubbish.
I don't think the church members laughed. He gave a sermon that will never be forgotten....hit on all the bullet points as well.... :-\
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The shooters ex's in-laws just revealed that the shooter has been threatening them for quite some time. The day of the shooting, the shooter sent the ex in-laws a threatening text; these in-laws go to the church where the shooting occurred. I suspect he thought they were going to be attending church that morning.
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It's my goddamn right!
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Europeans tend to have a fascination with American violence but for some reason have no interest in the details:
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2016-enforcement-report.pdf
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (70.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (26.9%) of all suspects. White suspects (1.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.6%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects.
Hi Matt C
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Hi Matt C
Great job refuting!
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Not a domestic terrorist? Blimey
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Hi Matt C
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get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
Did you read that post that explained the whole anti-gun logic? How do you intend to get rid of more guns than American people? Use force? Well, that means use guns. Who has the guns, the police and military. And many members of LE and military are gun owners, as well as their family members. So, you want them to be on board with this as well? And what about the criminals? So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals..
Australia and America have a different culture, different history, you know what with the whole Revolutionary War, Civil War, and a massive military industrial complex.. What work there, definitely won't work here.
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Did you read that post that explained the whole anti-gun logic? How do you intend to get rid of more guns than American people? Use force? Well, that means use guns. Who has the guns, the police and military. And many members of LE and military are gun owners, as well as their family members. So, you want them to be on board with this as well? And what about the criminals? So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals..
Australia and America have a different culture, different history, you know what with the whole Revolutionary War, Civil War, and a massive military industrial complex.. What work there, definitely won't work here.
lol you people really love playing dumb.
"So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals.."
yes that's exactly what i'm saying . this is the model that exists in the rest of the developed world. amazingly it works remarkably well. go look at the murder rates. no random massacres (well very very rarely)
and unless you guys are well stocked with surface to air missiles your guns won't do fk all if those in "power" decide to turn on you. as the good people in philly found out when they were bombed out of their homes. prolly use drones these days.
so that old argument holds zero water.
also australia and the US are actually culturally pretty similar. both countries "founded" by genocidal europeans.
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Think of all the shootings Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot prevented by confiscating guns. Why is that so hard for people to get? :D
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Some info from the recent Tennessee mass shooting that the media doesn't want to discuss.
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I guess a motive was found:
The gunman behind the Texas church massacre killed his grandmother-in-law during the attack, multiple friends of the woman told CNN.
Devin Patrick Kelley had domestic problems and texted his mother-in-law as recently as Sunday morning, not long before he carried out the largest mass shooting in Texas history, authorities said.
"We know that he expressed anger towards his mother-in-law, who attends this church," said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety. He said Kelley had a history of sending her threatening texts.
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I hope the bad guys do take the classes, at least that would be a fair fight.
I'm curious Cucker, what Utopia do you hail from? Who are your countrymen?
Calm down, Rambo! ;D ;D
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I love this guy. Fucking sheepdog. Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported.
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I love this guy. Fucking sheepdog. Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported.
(CNN)The deadliest shooting in Texas history could have claimed even more lives if it weren't for a local resident who confronted the gunman, and another man who joined him to chase down the shooter, authorities say.
Stephen Willeford lives next to First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. After Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside the church on Sunday, Willeford heard the commotion, grabbed his own gun, ran out of his house barefoot and confronted the gunman.
"He said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could, he didn't even know how many rounds he had put in the magazine," said Willeford's cousin, Ken Leonard, during an interview with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.
"What do you say to the man who stepped up when he heard the gunshots? I'd say he's a hero," Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Monday. "I don't think there's any question about that. Had he not done what he did, we could have lost more people." Twenty-six people at the church were slain, and 20 were injured.
Leonard said his cousin shot Kelley in the side and twice in the neck.
"He saw that the guy was wearing body armor, and there was a velcro strap, from the back to the front," explained Leonard, speaking live on Monday. "He knew from that ... that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side. And so that's where he shot him."ed that the shooter carjacked a nearby vehicle and engaged his cousin in a firefight.
"As he was doing that, (my cousin) shot him again, in the neck."
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Unrelated incident but I think it's relevant to the gun debate. People absolutely do protect themselves with guns. Happens more than most people know.
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lol you people really love playing dumb.
"So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals.."
yes that's exactly what i'm saying . this is the model that exists in the rest of the developed world. amazingly it works remarkably well. go look at the murder rates. no random massacres (well very very rarely)
and unless you guys are well stocked with surface to air missiles your guns won't do fk all if those in "power" decide to turn on you. as the good people in philly found out when they were bombed out of their homes. prolly use drones these days.
so that old argument holds zero water.
also australia and the US are actually culturally pretty similar. both countries "founded" by genocidal europeans.
I can see that you are completely ignorant to what's been going on in Europe the last several years. Nice, France. Guy in a truck kills 84.
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Serious question for getbiggers:
The 2nd Amendment was partly adopted, so citizens can protect itself against a tyrannical government. Do getbiggers think that the military would take orders from the government? Or, would the military join the sides of civilians?
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What was this guy's motive?
Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.
I guess a motive was found:
The gunman behind the Texas church massacre killed his grandmother-in-law during the attack, multiple friends of the woman told CNN.
Devin Patrick Kelley had domestic problems and texted his mother-in-law as recently as Sunday morning, not long before he carried out the largest mass shooting in Texas history, authorities said.
"We know that he expressed anger towards his mother-in-law, who attends this church," said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety. He said Kelley had a history of sending her threatening texts.
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get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
I mean, I can see what you're saying. If there are no guns, then there will be no gun deaths. That can be extended to most things: If there are no drugs, there are no more drug deaths. If there are no more cigarettes, there is a large reduction of lung cancer. If there isn't junk food, there is a large reduction of many diseases.
This is the cost of living in a free society. People have access to drugs and there will die of an overdose. Guns exist, so some people may use them in bad ways. I don't agree with punishing millions of people because of a few bad people.
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I love this guy. Fucking sheepdog. Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported.
Wait, where's my man's toothpick?
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Are you still unemployed and living with your parents? Just curious...
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Are you still unemployed and living with your parents? Just curious...
Yes.
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Apparently the Air Force failed to submit his domestic violence offense to the database.
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get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.
they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.
Hi Cucker,
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
Gun control is designed to stop people from killing each other, at least that’s what we are always told. Let’s take a look at the data:
United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.
Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.
Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.
Plain and simple. Gun control has no significant impact on murder rates. Removing firearms does not typically create massive lawlessness. It is a moot point. These figures aren’t a secret. Why would the governments of these nations want a disarmed populace? For the answer, it is best to look at a nation that has had long-time gun bans that is currently relaxing their laws. Russia recently relaxed its firearms laws. For the first time in recent memory, a Russian citizen can carry a firearm. The prohibited items speak volumes about what a government’s motive behind disarming the population is. Russia has allowed “smoothbore long barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas.” That’s almost everything, what is still banned? Rifles. So the Russian government has made it clear that the real objective is to remove rifles from civilian hands. The reasoning is pretty clear: you need rifles to overthrow a government.
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Of course it was, because everything what happen is USA is part of the conspiracy to kill all of the people in USA. Nothing happens randomly, it is always your government who are killing the people, and next they will be killing all of the tin foil hat morons like you. who make average morons look smart.
Ropoo!!!! Hi!
Lol so now shootings happen randomly? Some guy just decided hey I am going to go shoot up a church for no reason?? Nothing is random. Yes, sure maybe not everything is a conspiracy by a treasonous government. Just keep your eyes and ears open Ropoo and don't believe everything you are told. Ok?!
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I'm not interested in debating gun control (I don't see how it works in the US), but let's be clear. If you think you actually have a point with that pissant, fuckhead wool-over-eyes attempt at statistical manipulation, kill yourself now, so there is one less moron in your country.
I don't think you're a moron. I think you're a statistics weasel. A member of the group of gun lovers who can't just tell the truth and seek to lie to further their cause.
Start telling the truth
Homocide Rates
US per 100k 4.88
UK per 100k 0.92
26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually
You're safer in the UK without guns, period. Stop talking shit and start admitting that guns, when available, increase the homocide rate. It's okay. We all know they do. You don't have to post dickhead stats like the one you did to try to lie about that. Guns are fun, too, right? Guns make people feel like they have chance. It's not wrong to want to keep guns in your country. Just quit the bullshitting and keep to the truth. How do you get rid of 300 million guns in as long as time as it takes for a new regime to move in and repeal it? How do you stand tough when some people still die from guns and the media turns to spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to sell their papers, popularising the idea that the populace is not safe - having given in their guns, whilst the criminals maintain theirs?
Repulsive use of weak ass statistics not needed.
Well, you are an idiot, no doubt about that, and believer of the anti gun propaganda. Please read again what I wrote: "They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 (97 years)than 1997 -2017(20 years)". What this has to do about annually gun crime statistic? Now concentrate and read slowly so you understand the point of the matter: You can ban the guns only from the people who are abiding the law, and these people doesn't do crimes, in fact there is good chance they are more likely preventing crimes by owning the gun.
In USA there news about average of 1500 cases per year, where citizen has used fired a gun at self defence, and average of 20% of these criminal is shot to dead. What you don't realize is the fact that at the same time there is millions of cases which ends without any shots fired only because victim has a gun for self defence. These cases you don't see in the statistic because they do not get in the news, but even highly dismissive estimation gives millions of cases, because it is quite obvious that these things happen.
In same time at Estonia there is something like 80% drop of homicides just because at the start of the independence they allow the CCW permits to their citizens. Please tell me another country on this planet which has similar results by any means? Point is that criminals doesn't have fear for the police, because police has rules, but gun in the hand of citizen who protect his life is completely different case. In UK only criminals and police have guns and there is still fair and increasing share of homicides, in Estonia there is - 80% of homicides because they has done right decisions about the matter. Banning gun from the good guys will make bad guys happy, because they don't have nothing to fear after that, and this is a fact.
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Did you read that post that explained the whole anti-gun logic? How do you intend to get rid of more guns than American people? Use force? Well, that means use guns. Who has the guns, the police and military. And many members of LE and military are gun owners, as well as their family members. So, you want them to be on board with this as well? And what about the criminals? So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals..
Australia and America have a different culture, different history, you know what with the whole Revolutionary War, Civil War, and a massive military industrial complex.. What work there, definitely won't work here.
Only way to get rid of all guns is quite simple: when criminal has a gun, kill him with no mercy. When this is done, just order all law abiding citizens to hand over their guns, and you have safe police state to live in. If you want to test how easy it is to get criminals hand over their guns, just find some gang and try to ask them politely? Then, if you are still living, come here and tell what happen?
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Ropoo!!!! Hi!
Lol so now shootings happen randomly? Some guy just decided hey I am going to go shoot up a church for no reason?? Nothing is random. Yes, sure maybe not everything is a conspiracy by a treasonous government. Just keep your eyes and ears open Ropoo and don't believe everything you are told. Ok?!
Well, that depends your definition of random, of course. It is quite random when some moron decide to revenge some xxx shit happen to him by going to church and start killing people, because if it wouldn't be random act, there would be some police to stop him...so the word "random" means that you cannot anticipate how these morons act, so you can't prevent these kind of massacres. Quite simple, but too difficult to understand if you are a tin foil hat imbecile as you are.
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Hi Cucker,
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
Gun control is designed to stop people from killing each other, at least that’s what we are always told. Let’s take a look at the data:
United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.
Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.
Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.
Plain and simple. Gun control has no significant impact on murder rates. Removing firearms does not typically create massive lawlessness. It is a moot point. These figures aren’t a secret. Why would the governments of these nations want a disarmed populace? For the answer, it is best to look at a nation that has had long-time gun bans that is currently relaxing their laws. Russia recently relaxed its firearms laws. For the first time in recent memory, a Russian citizen can carry a firearm. The prohibited items speak volumes about what a government’s motive behind disarming the population is. Russia has allowed “smoothbore long barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas.” That’s almost everything, what is still banned? Rifles. So the Russian government has made it clear that the real objective is to remove rifles from civilian hands. The reasoning is pretty clear: you need rifles to overthrow a government.
Or in the other hand, you just read statistic of the party which have their own agenda which demands that citizens have no rights to own guns. As long there isn't any means to rule ownership and use of the guns of criminals, gun ban is meaningless bullshit. If there would be means to rule criminals and how they use their guns, there wouldn't be just about any gun related homicides at all in gun ban countries, but that's not the case. Homicides is forbidden by the law in every fucking country on this planet, but does it prevent people to kill each other? Miraculously, it isn't, so how your gun ban law would be any different? Well, it isn't. Law is just a piece of paper, and those who obey it, they are more likely using their guns to uphold the law than using them for crime.
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lol you people really love playing dumb.
"So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals.."
yes that's exactly what i'm saying . this is the model that exists in the rest of the developed world. amazingly it works remarkably well. go look at the murder rates. no random massacres (well very very rarely)
and unless you guys are well stocked with surface to air missiles your guns won't do fk all if those in "power" decide to turn on you. as the good people in philly found out when they were bombed out of their homes. prolly use drones these days.
so that old argument holds zero water.
also australia and the US are actually culturally pretty similar. both countries "founded" by genocidal europeans.
What is your definition of "working remarkably well"? Is that based purely on a utilitarian view of homicide rates? Can you also conceive that there is an ethical consideration to make? Several people have made it but so far you have refused to address the question whether or not you believe in the right to defend oneself against criminals. So, again, do you consider it ethical for law abiding citizens to by law have viable means of self defense taken away from them?
That is certainly what I gather from your post I quote, where you seem pleased that upstanding citizens do not have guns yet criminals do.
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I can see that you are completely ignorant to what's been going on in Europe the last several years. Nice, France. Guy in a truck kills 84.
you wanna compare the numbers killed in europe deliberately by trucks to those killed in mass shootings the US?
I mean, I can see what you're saying. If there are no guns, then there will be no gun deaths. That can be extended to most things: If there are no drugs, there are no more drug deaths. If there are no more cigarettes, there is a large reduction of lung cancer. If there isn't junk food, there is a large reduction of many diseases.
This is the cost of living in a free society. People have access to drugs and there will die of an overdose. Guns exist, so some people may use them in bad ways. I don't agree with punishing millions of people because of a few bad people.
you're talking as if this is hypothetical...we know what happens in the developed world when there is strict gun control. you don't have a problem with gun crime and murder rates are very low. there are plenty examples of this.
your society is no more free than anywhere else in the first world. drugs are illegal, you still even have "dry counties" where alcohol is banned! internet gambling is prohibited. you have many prohibited items. you just have ridiculous gun control laws which is tearing your society apart at the seams. but you're too stupid to do anything about it.
Hi Cucker,
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
Gun control is designed to stop people from killing each other, at least that’s what we are always told. Let’s take a look at the data:
United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.
Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.
Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.
Plain and simple. Gun control has no significant impact on murder rates. Removing firearms does not typically create massive lawlessness. It is a moot point. These figures aren’t a secret. Why would the governments of these nations want a disarmed populace? For the answer, it is best to look at a nation that has had long-time gun bans that is currently relaxing their laws. Russia recently relaxed its firearms laws. For the first time in recent memory, a Russian citizen can carry a firearm. The prohibited items speak volumes about what a government’s motive behind disarming the population is. Russia has allowed “smoothbore long barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas.” That’s almost everything, what is still banned? Rifles. So the Russian government has made it clear that the real objective is to remove rifles from civilian hands. The reasoning is pretty clear: you need rifles to overthrow a government.
hi homo. australia never had a problem with homicide rates per se because guns were still nowhere near as prevalent as they are in the US. what they had was a problem with random massacres. they had 13 massacres in 18 years pre ban. zero in 20 years post. the effects would be much greater in the US because the overall problem is far worse. the fatter you are the quicker the weight drops when you diet.
“While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.”
“In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4).”
“In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).”
“[T]he drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/
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What is your definition of "working remarkably well"? Is that based purely on a utilitarian view of homicide rates? Can you also conceive that there is an ethical consideration to make? Several people have made it but so far you have refused to address the question whether or not you believe in the right to defend oneself against criminals. So, again, do you consider it ethical for law abiding citizens to by law have viable means of self defense taken away from them?
That is certainly what I gather from your post I quote, where you seem pleased that upstanding citizens do not have guns yet criminals do.
having a society full of guns does not protect society from criminals. it's a fallacy. if it was the case how comes the one country in the entire developed world that has by far the most legally owned guns is also the one country with by far the highest murder rate and gun crime problem?
i would say it's more of an "ethical consideration" to ask why should everyday people feel the need to arm themselves to feel safe going about their daily business? you live in europe do you feel the need to be armed?
if you cut the number of guns in circulation the number of guns in criminal hands will dwindle too. the evidence is there. very few criminals in europe, japan, australia etc have guns.
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having a society full of guns does not protect society from criminals. it's a fallacy. if it was the case how comes the one country in the entire developed world that has by far the most legally owned guns is also the one country with by far the highest murder rate and gun crime problem?
That is a complete non sequitur. I never claimed guns protect a society from criminals. Nothing does. My statement was clear and unambiguous: Is it ethical to take a measure that guarantees only criminals will have weapons?
i would say it's more of an "ethical consideration" to ask why should everyday people feel the need to arm themselves to feel safe going about their daily business?
A good question to ask, but nothing to do with ethics.
you live in europe do you feel the need to be armed?
Not where I live, because I do not choose to live in shit holes. Plus I am hardly the average person. Does the average woman feel the need to be armed in many "urban" areas? I am fairly sure many do.
if you cut the number of guns in circulation the number of guns in criminal hands will dwindle too. the evidence is there. very few criminals in europe, japan, australia etc have guns.
If the evidence is there, please do share it with me. My experiences so far are that I can walk out of my office and get a handgun in less than 30 minutes. And this is not even in the ghetto.
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you wanna compare the numbers killed in europe deliberately by trucks to those killed in mass shootings the US?
No simpleton, it was posted to demonstrate that even though they have strict gun laws Europe is far from safe.
84 people killed with a Truck, a bunch of little girls blown up at a Ariana Grande concert. British soldier hacked to death with a machete on a sidewalk in broad daylight. Just a few examples. Fuckign great. Cops are doing a bang up job protecting people over there. Terrorists running wild raping and killing, meanwhile they are putting Brits in prison for fucking Facebook posts. Brilliant.
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Interview with the neighbor that shot the bad guy.
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That is a complete non sequitur. I never claimed guns protect a society from criminals. Nothing does. My statement was clear and unambiguous: Is it ethical to take a measure that guarantees only criminals will have weapons?
A good question to ask, but nothing to do with ethics.
Not where I live, because I do not choose to live in shit holes. Plus I am hardly the average person. Does the average woman feel the need to be armed in many "urban" areas? I am fairly sure many do.
If the evidence is there, please do share it with me. My experiences so far are that I can walk out of my office and get a handgun in less than 30 minutes. And this is not even in the ghetto.
this is your quote
"So, again, do you consider it ethical for law abiding citizens to by law have viable means of self defense taken away from them?"
as i said, all the stats prove that guns do not protect "law abiding citizens" . when you own gun you and your family actually become more at risk of death. FACT.
if guns are actually good for "self defense" wtf does the US have by far the highest murder rate in the entire developed world?
how is a matter of ethics to ask if citizens should be allowed to own guns to "protect" themselves but not to ask if citizens should have the right to live in a gun free society? i think you are somewhat confused.
as i've said about 10 times now the evidence is there re gun control just by looking at the stats for murder/gun crime/ random massacres in the US and then the rest of the developed world.
i call bs on you being able to go and get a handgun in holland in 30 mins unless , a) you have a gun licence. b) you're quite a serious criminal.
anyway i'm done discussing this. you people are really stupid as fk and deserve to continue living in ignorance.
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Interview with the neighbor that shot the bad guy.
Wow, just watched the whole video. This guy seems to be the epitome of a selfless, humble, hero. Just your average Joe, doing the right thing. Unfortunately, his life will be turned upside down, because of this event. Hopefully, when he is dead and gone, the town's people will erect a bronze statue in memory of him, and his heroic events.
It takes a hero to save a life. It goes beyond heroism to voluntarily get in a shoot out with a bad guy, when you're not required.
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this is your quote
as i've said about 10 times now the evidence is there re gun control just by looking at the stats for murder/gun crime/ random massacres in the US and then the rest of the developed world.
The problem is blacks and hispanics are the ones who make up 70% of those numbers. Mass shootings and homicides commited by white males with a firearm are a drop in the bucket.
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Blacks are 14% of the population, half of which are male and 1 out of every 15 black men are incarcerated. So between 6-7% of the country is responsible for half the murder rate. Mestizo and other mongrels making up another 20%.
Get rid of the subhuman scum, not guns.
anyway i'm done discussing this. you people are really stupid as fk and deserve to continue living in ignorance.
Good, you've stated multiple times you don't care about your own country so why should it matter to you what goes on in ours?
You engage in homoerotic behavior and your leftist opinions are irrelevant when discussing these matters.
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Apparently the Air Force failed to submit his domestic violence offense to the database.
Watch the lawsuits coming down the pipe.
The families will get MILLIONS over a clerical error.
Good for them.
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The problem is blacks and hispanics are the ones who make up 70% of those numbers. Mass shootings and homicides commited by white males with a firearm are a drop in the bucket.
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Blacks are 14% of the population, half of which are male and 1 out of every 15 black men are incarcerated. So between 6-7% of the country is responsible for half the murder rate. Mestizo and other mongrels making up another 20%.
Get rid of the subhuman scum, not guns.
Good, you've stated multiple times you don't care about your own country so why should it matter to you what goes on in ours?
You engage in homoerotic behavior and your leftist opinions are irrelevant when discussing these matters.
Leftists don’t give a shit about these incidents. They just want to spout their bullshit narrative about how white Europeans are the only people throughout history who have ever mistreated anyone:
http://originalpeople.org/the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-of-africans-the-untold-story/
While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day. A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts.
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this is your quote
"So, again, do you consider it ethical for law abiding citizens to by law have viable means of self defense taken away from them?"
as i said, all the stats prove that guns do not protect "law abiding citizens" . when you own gun you and your family actually become more at risk of death. FACT.
if guns are actually good for "self defense" wtf does the US have by far the highest murder rate in the entire developed world?
how is a matter of ethics to ask if citizens should be allowed to own guns to "protect" themselves but not to ask if citizens should have the right to live in a gun free society? i think you are somewhat confused.
as i've said about 10 times now the evidence is there re gun control just by looking at the stats for murder/gun crime/ random massacres in the US and then the rest of the developed world.
i call bs on you being able to go and get a handgun in holland in 30 mins unless , a) you have a gun licence. b) you're quite a serious criminal.
anyway i'm done discussing this. you people are really stupid as fk and deserve to continue living in ignorance.
Now I am starting to understand the miscommunication. You view everything from a monolithic societal view, communist essentially. My views are based on individual choice. You feel that if it is best for the average, it should be enforced for all. Mine is based on personal liberty. That, my crustacean friend, is where the ethics discussion comes in.
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Apparently the Air Force failed to submit his domestic violence offense to the database.
So, essentially the only reason this guy was able to buy these guns legally is because of a government fuck up. Yet, we’re supposed to consent to allow the government to have a monopoly on firearms ownership.
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/7/16618992/fbi-texas-church-shooting-encryption
I hope the government doesn’t blow a million bucks trying to unlock this guys phone. It is pointless.
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/7/16618992/fbi-texas-church-shooting-encryption
I hope the government doesn’t blow a million bucks trying to unlock this guys phone. It is pointless.
If its an iphone, won't everything get erased after a certain amount of failed attempts?
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If its an iphone, won't everything get erased after a certain amount of failed attempts?
10 tries, but that feature isn’t set on by default. Most people don’t have it on. It will start making the person wait a ridiculous amount of time before you can try another passcode after about 4 attempts.
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10 tries, but that feature isn’t set on by default. Most people don’t have it on. It will start making the person wait a ridiculous amount of time before you can try another passcode after about 4 attempts.
You can bet, they are going to spend as much money as they have to in order to get into his phone.
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Is that why apple went with the face unlock feature now? cus they were pressured by the GOV. to use it so when the kill a terrorist they can just put his dead face on the phone and unlock it?
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In a church, even.
Arm Jesus!
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Is that why apple went with the face unlock feature now? cus they were pressured by the GOV. to use it so when the kill a terrorist they can just put his dead face on the phone and unlock it?
It doesn’t work that way. It isn’t like samsung’s Face ID that can be trick with a photo. It’s more like Microsoft kinect IR tech. Anyway, iPhones have what people are calling “cop mode” where you can quickly disable Touch ID. On the iPhone X you hit all 3 buttons at the same time and it disables Face ID. I tried it yesterday and it worked.
Cops can legally force you to unlock your phone with biometrics, but can’t force you to give up passcode. So if you’re a shitbag mass murderer having Face ID or Touch ID is stupid.
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The absolute state of britain...
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Fucking hell, the swedish cops aren't even as bad as this...
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Oh dear that is so Fucking wrong them cops are pussy's running from Mr Dindu
They got time to chase "offensive remarks on the internet" ::)
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Oh dear that is so Fucking wrong them cops are pussy's running from Mr Dindu
They got time to chase "offensive remarks on the internet" ::)
Nothing but ball-less cowards in the UK.
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The absolute state of britain...
Fucking hell, the swedish cops aren't even as bad as this...
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I bet everyone of these cops were wishing they had a gun. :-\
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I bet everyone of these cops were wishing they had a gun. :-\
Absolutely ridiculous that cops in the U.K. don't carry a gun.
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I bet everyone of these cops were wishing they had a gun. :-\
They wouldn't know what to do with a gun if they had one. I guarantee their dicks don't work either.
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I bet everyone of these cops were wishing they had a gun. :-\
A bit of backbone & some balls would of been more than enough.
no need to shoot the Dindu dead - that's OTT he could likely be a mentally ill patient.
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Nothing but ball-less cowards in the UK.
Yes many of the cops are just that.
Though in the majority of cases its better than shooting people dead for relatively minor things
or being mentally Ill.
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A bit of backbone & some balls would of been more than enough.
no need to shoot the Dindu dead - that's OTT he could likely be a mentally ill patient.
The sight of a few guns is likely to prevent the criminal from going any further--many will just surrender when 7 guns are pointed at them.
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The sight of a few guns is likely to prevent the criminal from going any further--many will just surrender when 7 guns are pointed at them.
Yes agreed on that.
The problem is as we keep seeing is the cops are always "in fear of their lives" & will shoot immediately
Without giving them a second to surrender.
They're just as Big a pussies as the brit cops only with Guns. Fuck that Nonsense.
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A bit of backbone & some balls would of been more than enough.
no need to shoot the Dindu dead - that's OTT he could likely be a mentally ill patient.
Why should the cops have to risk there lives, with only a backbone and balls? If they had guns, it would be very simple: "Put the knife down, and lay on the ground. If you approach with the knife, you will be shot."
Seems pretty simple to me. ???
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Did this Nov. 4, 2017 Texas assault rifle highway shooting make national mainstream news?
Illegal Immigrant With Assault Rifle Shoots at TX Interstate Drivers – Seven-Year-Old Girl Hit in the Head
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/)
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Did this Nov. 4, 2017 Texas assault rifle highway shooting make national mainstream news?
Illegal Immigrant With Assault Rifle Shoots at TX Interstate Drivers – Seven-Year-Old Girl Hit in the Head
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/)
First I've heard of it. ???
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Did this Nov. 4, 2017 Texas assault rifle highway shooting make national mainstream news?
Illegal Immigrant With Assault Rifle Shoots at TX Interstate Drivers – Seven-Year-Old Girl Hit in the Head
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/)
Just shooting the children that American citizens don't want to shoot. Don't be a xenophobe.
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Do you think Ellen will have these guys on her show? ???
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Why should the cops have to risk there lives, with only a backbone and balls? If they had guns, it would be very simple: "Put the knife down, and lay on the ground. If you approach with the knife, you will be shot."
Seems pretty simple to me. ???
It is very simple - yes.
If they had some brains & a bit of bravado they could've easily delt with Mr Dindu
instead of running around like headless chickens
Agree if they had guns your reasoning is great.
only let down by the number of cops who shoot dead 1st then ask.
Nowt wrong with shooting anyone who is a clear threat to others if they wont
listen & comply - lots wrong in just shooting everyone in all situations.
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It is very simple - yes.
If they had some brains & a bit of bravado they could've easily delt with Mr Dindu
instead of running around like headless chickens
Agree if they had guns your reasoning is great.
only let down by the number of cops who shoot dead 1st then ask.
Nowt wrong with shooting anyone who is a clear threat to others if they wont
listen & comply - lots wrong in just shooting everyone in all situations.
They could've easily got cut up or killed also. :-\
They shouldn't need to take that risk.
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They could've easily got cut up or killed also. :-\
They shouldn't need to take that risk.
possibility is always there - yes
Though having been in similar situations with less people to deal with
a Menace / threat like that we've all come out unharmed - Thankfully
Shooting Everyone is a much simpler/easier & less dangerous option Agreed.
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I think it's a culture issue and not a police issue in the UK.
They've got people scared of their own shadow over there. It's no wonder the cops aren't trained properly. Plus they hire a bunch of fat women to be cops. The fuck are they gonna do?
Now is the time to learn to be men again. It's past time, in fact, it's probably too late.
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Yes agreed on that.
The problem is as we keep seeing is the cops are always "in fear of their lives" & will shoot immediately
Without giving them a second to surrender.
They're just as Big a pussies as the brit cops only with Guns. Fuck that Nonsense.
That's a rare occurrence. Each day, there are probably millions of instances where cops don't immediately shoot. However, every cop should have a gun in order to defend themselves. In my opinion, your country is acting irresponsibly by asking cops to enter into dangerous situations without the proper safeguards (gun). I'd say that its more important to provide the best training, than to simply take a cops gun away. Not to mention that 7+ cops couldn't take down that one guy with their hands lol. Absolutely ridiculous. They must be horribly trained.
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It is very simple - yes.
If they had some brains & a bit of bravado they could've easily delt with Mr Dindu
instead of running around like headless chickens
Agree if they had guns your reasoning is great.
only let down by the number of cops who shoot dead 1st then ask.
Nowt wrong with shooting anyone who is a clear threat to others if they wont
listen & comply - lots wrong in just shooting everyone in all situations.
You must be watching the US lib news. They never talk about the police who show restraint and end up shot. There are close to 1m police in the US including sworn in part time police.
Look what happened when he used restraint.
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You must be watching the US lib news. They never talk about the police who show restraint and end up shot. There are close to 1m police in the US including sworn in part time police.
Look what happened when he used restraint.
He bleed a lot but at least he didn't make the kid angry. 2 book references
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Justify from scripture how it's contradictory don't simply assert that it is.
How does God answering prayers of the faithful and the faithful having a difficult life when in Christ stand at odds? You understand that when prayers are answered sometimes the answer is "no" right?
Straw man argument. Your words, not mine.
Who lacked faith? Explain.
Continue to water down your dogma.
Sometimes the answer is no? Lol. Well then, anything goes in this world. That's some fine reassurance.
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Continue to water down your dogma.
Sometimes the answer is no? Lol. Well then, anything goes in this world. That's some fine reassurance.
When believers pray they appeal to the will of God and certainly his will and knowledge is greater than ours so sometimes a believer's prayer does not align with his perfect will. If you seek his will above your own he'll guide your path in the right direction and that path (or direction) may stand at odds with your desires yet God's path is always the right path to be on. He'll right our course but often times we aren't given a copy of God's map. This is where faith enters and matures the more you seek God's will. He allows us to walk, run, stumble and above all learn.
Therefore sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes it is no, but the answer given is always the best, correct answer whether we grasp it or not initially.
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Did this Nov. 4, 2017 Texas assault rifle highway shooting make national mainstream news?
Illegal Immigrant With Assault Rifle Shoots at TX Interstate Drivers – Seven-Year-Old Girl Hit in the Head
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/illegal-immigrant-assault-rifle-shoots-interstate-drivers-seven-year-old-girl-hit-head-video/)
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White man kills nearly 30 people but blame black people, lol
Only on getbig ::)
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I bet everyone of these cops were wishing they had a gun. :-\
here's the thing. roughly 2-3 police are killed in the line of duty each year in the UK and police shoot dead on average 4-5 people.
in the US police shoot dead more than 900 per year and 50-60 police are killed.
the US has roughly 6 times the population of the UK. so still a huge disparity.
you spastics can mock all you like. but if you had a brain cell between you you'd be able to work out which system is working best.
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You must be watching the US lib news. They never talk about the police who show restraint and end up shot. There are close to 1m police in the US including sworn in part time police.
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/06/baltimores-nobody-kill-anybody-weekend-lasts-little-day/
“There is a war going on in Baltimore right now. We are experiencing genocide among our African-American males, both by the hands of the Police Department and from one another. We the people need a call to action in order to save the city and our community for our future generations,” Baltimore Ceasefire said on its Facebook page.
A “genocide… by the hands of the Police Department?” Not for nothing, but I was looking through the list of possible lethal force encounters with police for 2017 and I managed to find one. And that guy was holding a foot-long knife to the throats of a one year old and a four year old when negotiations finally broke down and the cops took him out. By contrast (falling into the category of “from one another” mentioned by the ceasefire group), criminals have murdered more than 210 of you in Charm City. That’s significantly more than in New York City and Baltimore is less than one tenth the size of the Big Apple
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/06/baltimores-nobody-kill-anybody-weekend-lasts-little-day/
“There is a war going on in Baltimore right now. We are experiencing genocide among our African-American males, both by the hands of the Police Department and from one another. We the people need a call to action in order to save the city and our community for our future generations,” Baltimore Ceasefire said on its Facebook page.
A “genocide… by the hands of the Police Department?” Not for nothing, but I was looking through the list of possible lethal force encounters with police for 2017 and I managed to find one. And that guy was holding a foot-long knife to the throats of a one year old and a four year old when negotiations finally broke down and the cops took him out. By contrast (falling into the category of “from one another” mentioned by the ceasefire group), criminals have murdered more than 210 of you in Charm City. That’s significantly more than in New York City and Baltimore is less than one tenth the size of the Big Apple
White man kills nearly 30 people but blame black people, lol
Only on getbig ::)
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/06/baltimores-nobody-kill-anybody-weekend-lasts-little-day/
“There is a war going on in Baltimore right now. We are experiencing genocide among our African-American males, both by the hands of the Police Department and from one another. We the people need a call to action in order to save the city and our community for our future generations,” Baltimore Ceasefire said on its Facebook page.
A “genocide… by the hands of the Police Department?” Not for nothing, but I was looking through the list of possible lethal force encounters with police for 2017 and I managed to find one. And that guy was holding a foot-long knife to the throats of a one year old and a four year old when negotiations finally broke down and the cops took him out. By contrast (falling into the category of “from one another” mentioned by the ceasefire group), criminals have murdered more than 210 of you in Charm City. That’s significantly more than in New York City and Baltimore is less than one tenth the size of the Big Apple
There was another ceasefire this weekend, it didn't last. Baltimore is at 300+ for the year -
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/11/05/dc-officer-fatally-shot-baltimore-ceasefire/ .
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There was another ceasefire this weekend, it didn't last. Baltimore is at 300+ for the year -
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/11/05/dc-officer-fatally-shot-baltimore-ceasefire/ .
Perhaps they should try reverse psychology and have a “Shoot as many people as possible weekend.”
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Lol what a dumb whore
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White man kills nearly 30 people but blame black people, lol
Only on getbig ::)
It's backlash against the ridiculous notion perpetuated by the left and it's pets (people like you) that white men are the greatest threat to the country.
Nobody is blaming blacks for mentally ill whites going on shooting sprees. All of these shooters have one thing in common.
Psyche meds.
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Murder is banned in this country! How do they keep getting away with it?!
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You must be watching the US lib news. They never talk about the police who show restraint and end up shot. There are close to 1m police in the US including sworn in part time police.
Look what happened when he used restraint.
This video is disturbing on so many levels. The perfect example of how bad, cops have it.
They should show this video in schools. They should also show this video on the big screen, in every major sports stadium.
Then ask the crowd, What would you do? You don't assault/shoot a cop (99% of the time) unless you have something to hide. Cops are just doing their jobs. Do you want the entire U.S. to turn into a Chicago ghetto?
Maybe it's time for Judge Dredd.
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here's the thing. roughly 2-3 police are killed in the line of duty each year in the UK and police shoot dead on average 4-5 people.
in the US police shoot dead more than 900 per year and 50-60 police are killed.
the US has roughly 6 times the population of the UK. so still a huge disparity.
you spastics can mock all you like. but if you had a brain cell between you you'd be able to work out which system is working best.
You're quoting statistics, but there is one huge statistic that you're leaving out. Population Demographics.
US White population = 198,000,000
UK White population = 52,000,000
US Hispanic population = 54,000,000
UK Hispanic population = 200,000
US Dindu population = 75,000,000
UK Dindu population = 2,000,000
The UK has a fraction of Hispanics and Dindus that the US has. If the UK's demographics matched the US, you would see crime rates and murders increase by ten fold. :-\
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You're quoting statistics, but there is one huge statistic that you're leaving out. Population Demographics.
US White population = 198,000,000
UK White population = 52,000,000
US Hispanic population = 54,000,000
UK Hispanic population = 200,000
US Dindu population = 75,000,000
UK Dindu population = 2,000,000
The UK has a fraction of Hispanics and Dindus that the US has. If the UK's demographics matched the US, you would see crime rates and murders increase by ten fold. :-\
You're Probably Very Right
The Uk Is Fcuked in many areas - Thankfully Not with The Huge Dindu Problem -- Yet
Though we Got The Huge scumbag Musli Problem -- Not Good.
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You're quoting statistics, but there is one huge statistic that you're leaving out. Population Demographics.
US White population = 198,000,000
UK White population = 52,000,000
US Hispanic population = 54,000,000
UK Hispanic population = 200,000
US Dindu population = 75,000,000
UK Dindu population = 2,000,000
The UK has a fraction of Hispanics and Dindus that the US has. If the UK's demographics matched the US, you would see crime rates and murders increase by ten fold. :-\
Where are the statistics to back up this preposterous claim? Oh wait, here they are:
Homicide rates by race. (per 100,000 population):
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680
20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)
4.9 for Hispanics
2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
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He're some interesting information about the Australian gun bad that liberals love to cite when discussing gun control.
Do these Australians sound happy? Are they now living in a gun crime free Utopia?
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/obama-praises-australias-gun-ban-the-actual-results/
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Guns myths gone in 5 minutes........