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I remember the days when the norm was training a bodypart 2 to 3 times a week. Now it seems the standard is once a week.
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I remember the days when the norm was training a bodypart 2 to 3 times a week. Now it seems the standard is once a week.
Every 4th day works well for me. Then every 5th week I take a week off.
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Try it for Brief periods But always go back to once a week
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Once a week hiit.but imat a plateau level
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Stubborn body parts I work out 2 times per week with completely different exercises. Amazing what proper form will do.
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Always. Mostly because I don't want to deal with severe doms I'd get from a once a week split.
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Forgot to add to earlier post exception is back which 9 times out of 10 is trained twice per week, day on priority to a rowing movement followed by a pulldown and day 2 reverse it start with a chin movement and finish with a row.
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It's all about volume and recovery.
- Fewer sets need less recovery time, which means you can train more often.
- More sets/volume needs more recovery time, which means you cannot train as often.
I favor higher volume workouts and training body parts once every 5-6 days with days off in between for maximum recovery.
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I remember the days when the norm was training a bodypart 2 to 3 times a week. Now it seems the standard is once a week.
I still do .........depends of weather,location,................
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My chest sucks. I train it once a week with typical dumbbells and barbells and machines.
But, every day, I do 4 sets of pushups or 4 sets of resistant bands presses before bed.
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I train 3 x week full-body.
Anywhere from 2-6 sets for a bodypart per workout.
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I train 3 x week full-body.
Anywhere from 2-6 sets for a bodypart per workout.
I never got into full body workouts. I train one body part per day. Ive tried training full body, but it never felt right. I felt like I was too scattered. I like getting a total pump in one bodypart for that day. It's probably all in my head.
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I train a body part every 4th to 5th day. Twenty years ago once a week offseason, twice a week from 12 weeks out.
Then I don't train heavy anymore either, too easy to get injured. Without the 100mg TRT weekly, Its once a week without which is at least two periods per year.
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What weird is when I was 19-20 and first got into weight lifting, I was training body parts with only 48 hours rest before doing that body part again. Fast forward a few years and I started juicing a bit and did that for two years off and on, and could never replicate the metabolism or whatever it was when I first started training. I always figured it was because the weight I was pushing at the beginning was not as heavy and thus couldn’t break the muscle down the same way. But, I’m not sure if resistance is resistance and your muscles can’t tell the difference in weight. I figured it couldn’t be the amount of test you have at 19, because at 21 I used 500mg week of sustanon and then a few cycles after that, so there’s no way I’d naturally have that much running naturally. Who knows, either way, I can’t do the shit now. Once a week or every 7-8 days with a rest. Although I am riding a bike daily.
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Forearms and calves twice a week
Abs couple sets every night before bed
Chest,shoulders,legs and back every 6-7 days
Arms every 8 days.
Sometimes I’ll get on a run and joints don’t hurt that bad and I might get twice a week for everything but that’s maybe 2-3 weeks out of 10-12 weeks.
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I train body parts directly once a week but I do other athletic stuff outside of bodybuilding. Truth be told even though there is indirect work for other body parts when training a body part once a week, twice a week or even three times seems to work better. On Monday I will hit back and chest. The pulling and pushing hits the triceps/biceps hard. When I get to Friday and hit them directly it's really twice a week. Legs get trained twice. Once on leg day and again on back day where I insert deadlifts or Olympic lifts. I could go on with over lap.
Iron nat says he trains the whole body three times a week. It's an outstanding why to train for a natural. Many say it's a beginner workout but in reality it's the absolutely the hardest way to train. Splits are easier. Training everything in one workout is brutal even with limiting the amount of exercises. One definite plus is that if you train three times a week it means you hit a body part naturally three times a week. With a split I love doing a variety of exercises but in reality is that really needed for athletic function? Maybe for bodybuilding. I know fans of bodybuilding speak of mid range exercises, peak and stretch exercises that can be covered with a split doing three to four exercises a body part but it certainly isn't needed to be a better athlete. Many a football player have only used a power clean, squat and something like a military press to improve explosiveness and strength. Doing four bicep exercises would be a waste of time for an athlete but valuable for a bodybuilder.
Here's my last two cents on the topic if you're reading this far. When I do chins as part of my back routine I progress on them at a snails pace doing them once a week. Typical back lat routine is something like pull ups, seated lat row, dumbbell row and pulldowns. When I was doing pullups three times a week I rapidly increased reps. So yes, twice a week is better than once. Three times is better than twice. Maybe only fractionally but it's better.
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I remember the days when the norm was training a bodypart 2 to 3 times a week. Now it seems the standard is once a week.
Only calves and abs
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A routine I've successfully followed for years calls for training one major body part a day. It is 6 days on and 1 day off. For me, the only downside is that I associate the exercises with certain days. When I miss a workout day, it throws me off track. As a senior, having a long recovery time seems ideal since I definitely don't snap back as quickly a I used to.
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I don't even schedule off days....I workout 7 days a week about an hour after I wake up.
If I need a day off its usually for a schedule conflict and that only happens about once a month.
You are not a professional athlete...you are a lifter...no such thing as overtraining for a lifter
Bench
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I don't even schedule off days....I workout 7 days a week about an hour after I wake up.
If I need a day off its usually for a schedule conflict and that only happens about once a month.
You are not a professional athlete...you are a lifter...no such thing as overtraining for a lifter
Bench
How old? Natty or user?
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How old? Natty or user?
Mid 30's...haven't used anything in over 10 years
Benvh
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no such thing as overtraining for a lifter
Bench
Never understood that comment. Sure you can over train - stressing your body to the point it decompensates. It's even measurable by the amount of cortisol your body produces.
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Mid 30's...haven't used anything in over 10 years
Benvh
You have approximately 5-10 years before you start feeling old. Enjoy it while you can.
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Never understood that comment. Sure you can over train - stressing your body to the point it decompensates. It's even measurable by the amount of cortisol your body produces.
Are you a professional athlete? No...you will never overtrain...that terrible feeling you have when you work out too much is 2 things:
1) your mind
2) you are in terrible fucking shape and justify it by saying it’s overtraining
I took two months off of work about 2 years ago and everyday I woke up and ran 10 miles...then worked out modified Sheiko(with daily accessories), then road my bike almost 30’miles every day!
This was every day for 2 months...never hit overtraining..never had any of this other bullshit that lazy people claim. I walked out of that 2 months learning a lot and in the best natural shape I’ve ever been in.
The only machines I used were reverse hyper, and tricep rope push downs...everything else was free weights.
I also alternated the workout every week. If I did flat bench this day, I would do incline the next day..conventional squats today, box squats the next time...
People are just lazy, out of shape, and refuse to adhere to proper nutrition.
Bench
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You have approximately 5-10 years before you start feeling old. Enjoy it while you can.
Bro, I have 2 fake disk in my back, a fake right knee, just got over my 3rd rotator cuff surgery, have plates in my feet and ribs...I’m already feeling old...I just push thru lol
If I was born in the 20’s I would have been dead a long time ago lol
In 5 years I will likely be on a generous trt regiment, so that will curve it a bit.
Bench
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Never understood that comment. Sure you can over train - stressing your body to the point it decompensates. It's even measurable by the amount of cortisol your body produces.
My current routine..and the routine I kind of always used except in moments of getting ready for a meet or some other shit
Day 1:
Flat Bench or incline Bench..but never The workout 2 workout in a row...30 reps for all warm up sets..then as many reps as possible For all working sets...I do not count them, but when I do count I try to confuse myself because the number messes with me...I add weight until I can only squeak out a rep or 2..I don’t count sets
Pin presses...I use the opposite angle of the first movement and start with 70% of my max and keep adding weight until the bar stops moving...I do these in sets of 3....might do up to 20 sets...Again, I don’t count them.
Then I do accessories...I do an arm movement everyday...so today would be 1 or 2 tricep movements. I rarely go over 60 reps..then forearm rolls and some abs.
I’m not going to list out every day, but it’s all like this...I swap out movements and blast the shit out of it..I work reps and super heavy statics and do accessories.
I don’t have time for cardio right now as this type of workout takes 2 hours or so, but cardio isn’t really needed...I love in Texas and my whole powerlifting setup is in the NON air conditioned part of my barn...so, it get well over 100 degrees in there..I sweat through my damn shoe laces.
And I weigh everything I eat.
Bench
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Were you in an accident?
Many! Almost none of those surgeries have anything to do with each other!
Bench
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Are you a professional athlete? No...you will never overtrain...that terrible feeling you have when you work out too much is 2 things:
1) your mind
2) you are in terrible fucking shape and justify it by saying it’s overtraining
I took two months off of work about 2 years ago and everyday I woke up and ran 10 miles...then worked out modified Sheiko(with daily accessories), then road my bike almost 30’miles every day!
This was every day for 2 months...never hit overtraining..never had any of this other bullshit that lazy people claim. I walked out of that 2 months learning a lot and in the best natural shape I’ve ever been in.
The only machines I used were reverse hyper, and tricep rope push downs...everything else was free weights.
I also alternated the workout every week. If I did flat bench this day, I would do incline the next day..conventional squats today, box squats the next time...
People are just lazy, out of shape, and refuse to adhere to proper nutrition.
Bench
I raced at national level bicycle racing for the better part of 15 years. I learned a great deal about my body and response to exercise and it continues to this day. In my case I could only train intensely every 96 hours - 1 day hard followed by three days very easy. This formula worked very well and I showed steady progress to the point I raced and did well against Tour de France and World Championship level riders.
Prior to that I used to go hard often and after a few early years of no results I was ready to give up on the sport. Then I read about the work of Hans Selye- where that graphic I posted is derived from.
To me, there is no point in beating up my body unless there is a super compensation effect. What you call lazy I call smart. Different strokes for different folks.
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I raced at national level bicycle racing for the better part of 15 years. I learned a great deal about my body and response to exercise and it continues to this day. In my case I could only train intensely every 96 hours - 1 day hard followed by three days very easy. This formula worked very well and I showed steady progress to the point I raced and did well against Tour de France and World Championship level riders.
Prior to that I used to go hard often and after a few early years of no results I was ready to give up on the sport. Then I read about the work of Hans Selye- where that graphic I posted is derived from.
To me, there is no point in beating up my body unless there is a super compensation effect. What you call lazy I call smart. Different strokes for different folks.
Your talking about training maximumally...you can still work out ever day and donut optimally...
What I am saying is that a standard lifter or get bigger will never achieve overtraining with any of these cookie cutter bullshit workout routines.
Legit athletes(like what you did) can hit overtraining.
Bench
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I train body parts directly once a week but I do other athletic stuff outside of bodybuilding. Truth be told even though there is indirect work for other body parts when training a body part once a week, twice a week or even three times seems to work better. On Monday I will hit back and chest. The pulling and pushing hits the triceps/biceps hard. When I get to Friday and hit them directly it's really twice a week. Legs get trained twice. Once on leg day and again on back day where I insert deadlifts or Olympic lifts. I could go on with over lap.
Iron nat says he trains the whole body three times a week. It's an outstanding why to train for a natural. Many say it's a beginner workout but in reality it's the absolutely the hardest way to train. Splits are easier. Training everything in one workout is brutal even with limiting the amount of exercises. One definite plus is that if you train three times a week it means you hit a body part naturally three times a week. With a split I love doing a variety of exercises but in reality is that really needed for athletic function? Maybe for bodybuilding. I know fans of bodybuilding speak of mid range exercises, peak and stretch exercises that can be covered with a split doing three to four exercises a body part but it certainly isn't needed to be a better athlete. Many a football player have only used a power clean, squat and something like a military press to improve explosiveness and strength. Doing four bicep exercises would be a waste of time for an athlete but valuable for a bodybuilder.
Here's my last two cents on the topic if you're reading this far. When I do chins as part of my back routine I progress on them at a snails pace doing them once a week. Typical back lat routine is something like pull ups, seated lat row, dumbbell row and pulldowns. When I was doing pullups three times a week I rapidly increased reps. So yes, twice a week is better than once. Three times is better than twice. Maybe only fractionally but it's better.
You are absolutely right about full body workouts being brutal.
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I raced at national level bicycle racing for the better part of 15 years. I learned a great deal about my body and response to exercise and it continues to this day. In my case I could only train intensely every 96 hours - 1 day hard followed by three days very easy. This formula worked very well and I showed steady progress to the point I raced and did well against Tour de France and World Championship level riders.
Prior to that I used to go hard often and after a few early years of no results I was ready to give up on the sport. Then I read about the work of Hans Selye- where that graphic I posted is derived from.
To me, there is no point in beating up my body unless there is a super compensation effect. What you call lazy I call smart. Different strokes for different folks.
Never knew you were an elite athlete. Did you know Kalman the 1976 Mr. America and the guy that beat Mentzer in the Universe competed at a high age group level in bike racing?
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Bill Pearl competed in racing as well.
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This guy too, Joe Means. In the 1976 Mr. America that Kalman won Joe won best legs. He rides a bike for a ridiculous amount of miles per week. He recently had a bad bike crash. He competes in triathlons a few years ago.
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My current routine..and the routine I kind of always used except in moments of getting ready for a meet or some other shit
Day 1:
Flat Bench or incline Bench..but never The workout 2 workout in a row...30 reps for all warm up sets..then as many reps as possible For all working sets...I do not count them, but when I do count I try to confuse myself because the number messes with me...I add weight until I can only squeak out a rep or 2..I don’t count sets
Pin presses...I use the opposite angle of the first movement and start with 70% of my max and keep adding weight until the bar stops moving...I do these in sets of 3....might do up to 20 sets...Again, I don’t count them.
Then I do accessories...I do an arm movement everyday...so today would be 1 or 2 tricep movements. I rarely go over 60 reps..then forearm rolls and some abs.
I’m not going to list out every day, but it’s all like this...I swap out movements and blast the shit out of it..I work reps and super heavy statics and do accessories.
I don’t have time for cardio right now as this type of workout takes 2 hours or so, but cardio isn’t really needed...I love in Texas and my whole powerlifting setup is in the NON air conditioned part of my barn...so, it get well over 100 degrees in there..I sweat through my damn shoe laces.
And I weigh everything I eat.
Bench
You sound like quite the beast. ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :) :) :)
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Never knew you were an elite athlete. Did you know Kalman the 1976 Mr. America and the guy that beat Mentzer in the Universe competed at a high age group level in bike racing?
He was West coast- most of my career was East coast to the Midwest and Canada. From what I read he was a pretty good criterium rider. Not sure if he is still at it though.
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Only calves and abs
Only calves and abs once or twice a week? It wasn't clear to me.
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You sound like quite the beast. ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :) :) :)
Sometimes I feel like it! Until I look at peoples numbers who actually do this shit for a living!
Today, not so much! I just woke up at 3am to workout and start my day...didn’t get enough water yesterday and feel like someone beat the shit out of me! Everything hurts!
Just had a caffeine pill and half a bronkaid, so that will wake me up and make me feel worse! Lol
Bench
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Never understood that comment. Sure you can over train - stressing your body to the point it decompensates. It's even measurable by the amount of cortisol your body produces.
Same here. Over training is another way of saying that you are getting physically drained and not having enough recovery time. You don't even have to work out for that to happen.
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Only calves and abs once or twice a week? It wasn't clear to me.
I do abs everyday....but I switch between direct and indirect EOD
I do forearms EOD.
Every day I do either bi’s, or tri’s
Masturbate daily!
Don’t do calves at all!
Bench
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Same here. Over training is another way of saying that you are getting physically drained and not having enough recovery time. You don't even have to work out for that to happen.
:D unless you´re ill or don´t eat properly ..made me howl though.
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Same here. Over training is another way of saying that you are getting physically drained and not having enough recovery time. You don't even have to work out for that to happen.
Don’t blame poor life choices on the training.
Lack of sleep is not overtraining
Being out of shape is not overtraining
Lack of hydration is not overtraining
Lack of nutrition is not overtraining
Bodybuilders will never hit overtraining..the work load on the CNS load isn’t there!
Hell, powerlifters who do a lot more lifting with higher loads and sometimes volume who do extremely taxing CNS movements rarely hit overtraining...westside barbell doesn’t schedule days off! And regardless of what the internet tells you, those guys do extremely high volume in person.
Bench
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3-4 times per week but light and short.
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3-4 times per week but light and short.
You train each body part 3-4 times per week?
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As you get older, it becomes more about wear and tear. That’s why I think a minimum effective dosage training plan is the way to go.
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Masturbate daily!
I didn't cum for 2 months recently. Tons of sex. Now that's some training.
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No doesnt work for me. Not if I go heavy weights with absolute failure. In that case I need at least 5 days rest, probably 6 in the long run.
Maybe if I did one light weight day and one heavy failure day I could do every 3-4 or what ever but that is pointless imo anyways.
If I where to do steroids I could probably/most likely train more frequent.
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I didn't cum for 2 months recently. Tons of sex. Now that's some training.
Bro....
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Bro, I have 2 fake disk in my back, a fake right knee, just got over my 3rd rotator cuff surgery, have plates in my feet and ribs...I’m already feeling old...I just push thru lol
If I was born in the 20’s I would have been dead a long time ago lol
In 5 years I will likely be on a generous trt regiment, so that will curve it a bit.
Bench
How do you like the fake discs? I have two that are degenerated and the arthritis is causing them to fuse naturally. The doctor told me that a natural fusion was the best scenerio for me because it’s non surgical. He said a surgical fusion was better than a disc replacement, although he said he recommended a European version that isn’t approved here yet. He said that disc replacement was better and that he travels abroad at times to perform the surgery.
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Bro, I have 2 fake disk in my back, a fake right knee, just got over my 3rd rotator cuff surgery, have plates in my feet and ribs...I’m already feeling old...I just push thru lol
If I was born in the 20’s I would have been dead a long time ago lol
In 5 years I will likely be on a generous trt regiment, so that will curve it a bit.
Bench
Ouch. Car accident or gym injuries?
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How do you like the fake discs? I have two that are degenerated and the arthritis is causing them to fuse naturally. The doctor told me that a natural fusion was the best scenerio for me because it’s non surgical. He said a surgical fusion was better than a disc replacement, although he said he recommended a European version that isn’t approved here yet. He said that disc replacement was better and that he travels abroad at times to perform the surgery.
never heard of a natural fusion nor that a surgical fusion was better than disc replacement. I know a woman friend who had a disc replacement in the neck not sure exactly where but she said it´s good. she had no choice her arm was numb. so they had to operate. Fusion is the last thing i would do.
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I remember the days when the norm was training a bodypart 2 to 3 times a week. Now it seems the standard is once a week.
I don't do now, but during the early 2000s there were weeks when i trained arms twice a week and some weeks i also did chest twice a week.
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How do you like the fake discs? I have two that are degenerated and the arthritis is causing them to fuse naturally. The doctor told me that a natural fusion was the best scenerio for me because it’s non surgical. He said a surgical fusion was better than a disc replacement, although he said he recommended a European version that isn’t approved here yet. He said that disc replacement was better and that he travels abroad at times to perform the surgery.
Well, one of them has been cracked for almost 10 years...so, YMMV...
But that doesn’t really mean anything...I’ve managed to break most things on my body!
Bench
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My chest sucks. I train it once a week with typical dumbbells and barbells and machines.
But, every day, I do 4 sets of pushups or 4 sets of resistant bands presses before bed.
Do low incline flyes ( 30 degrees good stretch) immediately followed by Smith Inclines to the throat........no rest..............rest a minute ......repeat and do nothing else except to finish off with a max rep set of parallel bar dips.
15 reps,12 reps,10 reps,8 reps adding weight each set brief rest periods leave your ego at the door.
Those pushups are bb.com shit and wont do a helluva lot for you my brother.
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I think if you can train 3 times a week..............you aint training hard enough!!
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never heard of a natural fusion nor that a surgical fusion was better than disc replacement. I know a woman friend who had a disc replacement in the neck not sure exactly where but she said it´s good. she had no choice her arm was numb. so they had to operate. Fusion is the last thing i would do.
When the disc degenerates totally, the bones fuse together. It’s pretty common from what I’ve been told by the spine docs. They’ll do an mri on people and ask them if they realize it and most people don’t. The doc said I’ll probably get some relief from it when it finally happens although the chance of fusion on the above discs become more likely.
I’ve not heard anything positive about the fake discs. My wife almost took a job with Stryker and didn’t because of what she was hearing. The girl that took the job quit within the first year because of the failures.
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When the disc degenerates totally, the bones fuse together. It’s pretty common from what I’ve been told by the spine docs. They’ll do an mri on people and ask them if they realize it and most people don’t. The doc said I’ll probably get some relief from it when it finally happens although the chance of fusion on the above discs become more likely.
I’ve not heard anything positive about the fake discs. My wife almost took a job with Stryker and didn’t because of what she was hearing. The girl that took the job quit within the first year because of the failures.
just my suggestion ..get another opinion
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when you have a prolapsed disc it can "repair" to a certain point but it will never be what it was
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:D unless you´re ill or don´t eat properly ..made me howl though.
Or are working 16 hour days, not sleeping properly or getting enough sleep, having complications in life causing stress...
Keep howling.
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Don’t blame poor life choices on the training.
Lack of sleep is not overtraining
Being out of shape is not overtraining
Lack of hydration is not overtraining
Lack of nutrition is not overtraining
Bodybuilders will never hit overtraining..the work load on the CNS load isn’t there!
Hell, powerlifters who do a lot more lifting with higher loads and sometimes volume who do extremely taxing CNS movements rarely hit overtraining...westside barbell doesn’t schedule days off! And regardless of what the internet tells you, those guys do extremely high volume in person.
Bench
Read my post again. It was not specific to just training with weights. Your body needs a recovery period even if you don't train. That's why everybody needs to sleep every day no matter what they do in life. As I said, "overtraining" simply refers to a specific condition when your body is not recovering enough. Try being a roofer working all day under the hot sun doing hard physical work. You can be completely spent by the end of the day and if you do that continuously without a day off you will get run down and no longer be able to perform optimally.
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Well, one of them has been cracked for almost 10 years...so, YMMV...
But that doesn’t really mean anything...I’ve managed to break most things on my body!
Bench
Brittle bones? Metabolic bone diseases, such as Paget's disease or osteomalacia (vitamin D and calcium deficiencies) can be the reason someone's bones are unusually fragile.
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Only calves and abs once or twice a week? It wasn't clear to me.
EOD
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Brittle bones? Metabolic bone diseases, such as Paget's disease or osteomalacia (vitamin D and calcium deficiencies) can be the reason someone's bones are unusually fragile.
Nah, they broke due to human error..every time I broke something I knew it was a bad idea before hand...
It’s more of a poor life choice thing
Bench
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Mid 30's...haven't used anything in over 10 years
Benvh
Mid thirties? You've been on this board for 14 years and during that time you've talked about being in the military and training Special Forces in the Mid East and have been deployed to military missions and work in law enforcement either in SWAT or something similar, like being a sniper. You've posted pics over the years of some of your hunting rifles and military hardware. I thought for sure you were in at least your mid-forties but more like fifties. You did all this while in your twenties all the while posting regularly on GetBig?
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Mid thirties? You've been on this board for 14 years and during that time you've talked about being in the military and training Special Forces in the Mid East and have been deployed and military missions and work in law enforcement either in SWAT or something similar, like being a sniper. You've posted pics over the years of some of your hunting rifles and military hardware. I thought for sure you were in at least your mid-forties but more like fifties. You did all this while in your twenties all the while posting regularly on GetBig?
Yeah, I started all that shit at 19 years old..been in law enforcement since my 21st birthday..did some contract work throughout my 20’s...still do weapons training but nothing dangerous.
With the exception of firearms training my job is admin (desk job). I am married with a small child now...those days are far behind me..couldn’t imagine doing that shit now..I wouldn’t even go to patrol! I have skipped the Lt. Exam for 2 years now because I fear they will take my desk away!
Bench
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Yeah, I started all that shit at 19 years old..been in law enforcement since my 21st birthday..did some contract work throughout my 20’s...still do weapons training but nothing dangerous.
With the exception of firearms training my job is admin (desk job). I am married with a small child now...those days are far behind me..couldn’t imagine doing that shit now..I wouldn’t even go to patrol! I have skipped the Lt. Exam for 2 years now because I fear they will take my desk away!
Bench
or you´re a redneck living out your fantasies online.
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or you´re a redneck living out your fantasies online.
Still upset you didn’t get your reach around? I told you I’m not very romantic!
Bench
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when you have a prolapsed disc it can "repair" to a certain point but it will never be what it was
What about a prolapsed anus?
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Keep howling, y'all
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Yeah, I started all that shit at 19 years old..been in law enforcement since my 21st birthday..did some contract work throughout my 20’s...still do weapons training but nothing dangerous.
With the exception of firearms training my job is admin (desk job). I am married with a small child now...those days are far behind me..couldn’t imagine doing that shit now..I wouldn’t even go to patrol! I have skipped the Lt. Exam for 2 years now because I fear they will take my desk away!
Bench
Would love to be arrested by you broskie.
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Yeah, I started all that shit at 19 years old..been in law enforcement since my 21st birthday..did some contract work throughout my 20’s...still do weapons training but nothing dangerous.
With the exception of firearms training my job is admin (desk job). I am married with a small child now...those days are far behind me..couldn’t imagine doing that shit now..I wouldn’t even go to patrol! I have skipped the Lt. Exam for 2 years now because I fear they will take my desk away!
Bench
You certainly didn't indulge in the posthigh school slacking years. Looks like you've do a lot with the years so far. That's why I thought you were so much older.
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Would love to be arrested by you broskie.
Haha I haven’t arrested anyone in years man, hopefully I’ll be able to keep it that way.
Bench
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Don't miss the trigonometry involved in the logistics of scheduling my training splits.
Lately I'm lucky to hit a bodypart once every 3wks lol
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Haha I haven’t arrested anyone in years man, hopefully I’ll be able to keep it that way.
Bench
Would you love to frisk, Dr. Goodrum, PhD, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO?
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when you have a prolapsed disc it can "repair" to a certain point but it will never be what it was
I have two bulging discs since 1988, they haven't gone any worse since but they will never get better
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I've had disc replacement in my neck, titanium discs at two levels, much better result than any surgical fusion.
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
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Nice arms. Do you have any friends in your age group that lift at all?
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There's a bunch of us at my local gym. Most of them look like they never trained. This game is all genetics if you are natty.
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
yes, you look amazing for 69.
it's definitely genetics but also nutrition. Drugs help immensely, but you don't need them. Consider yourself lucky...
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
Way to go.
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
How old is that pic? That looks like a flip top phone. Also, is that a slice of pizza on the top shelf on the towel?
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
Looking damn good !!
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How old is that pic? That looks like a flip top phone. Also, is that a slice of pizza on the top shelf on the towel?
It looks like another towel or cloth type material.
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There's a bunch of us at my local gym. Most of them look like they never trained. This game is all genetics if you are natty.
Does nutrition (recovery and soreness management) become the main focus of your training program?
After the lifting, of course.
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How old is that pic? That looks like a flip top phone. Also, is that a slice of pizza on the top shelf on the towel?
Lol....Couple months...I took that a month after the gyms closed down and I had been doing pushups, situps and arm work with my one 40 lb. dumbell.
No it's not a pizza slice. lol
I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
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Lol....Couple months...I took that a month after the gyms closed down and I had been doing pushups, situps and arm work with my one 40 lb. dumbell.
No it's not a pizza slice. lol
I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
What happened when you tried to increase your protein intake?
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Does nutrition (recovery and soreness management) become the main focus of your training program?
After the lifting, of course.
I do eat tons of nutritious food that I cook myself with lots of veggies, brown rice etc. and pig out every Sat. eating a large pizza and maybe some brownies or whatever strikes my fancy. I'm 5'11' and 200-205 lbs. I built my muscle in my 20's and 30's and now am just trying to slow down the rate of degeneration (death). I used to be very strong but now am weaker than shit. (age)
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What happened when you tried to increase your protein intake?
I've tried protein supplimentation before and nothing happens...A week ago I started taking 150 grams per day and nothing has changed. I'm going back to my regular diet with just good food.
When I was 30 and at same bodyweight but lower bodyfat and benching 400 and 350 incline I was getting around 100 grams of protein a day.In 1983 I did take 2 Dianabol a day for 6 weeks which was the last of 2 cycles of roids that I did. It wasn't my 'cup of tea'.
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Lol....Couple months...I took that a month after the gyms closed down and I had been doing pushups, situps and arm work with my one 40 lb. dumbell.
No it's not a pizza slice. lol
I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
Do you eat any meat or fish? I get that much protein in one meal with some type of meat.
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I've tried protein supplimentation before and nothing happens...A week ago I started taking 150 grams per day and nothing has changed. I'm going back to my regular diet with just good food.
When I was 30 and at same bodyweight but lower bodyfat and benching 400 and 350 incline I was getting around 100 grams of protein a day.In 1983 I did take 2 Dianabol a day for 6 weeks which was the last of 2 cycles of roids that I did. It wasn't my 'cup of tea'.
Benching 400 at 200 lbs bodyweight is pretty decent for a “natty”.
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Lol....Couple months...I took that a month after the gyms closed down and I had been doing pushups, situps and arm work with my one 40 lb. dumbell.
No it's not a pizza slice. lol
I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
So at most, you get 200 calories from protein. The rest comes from fats and carbs.
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So at most, you get 200 calories from protein. The rest comes from fats and carbs.
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=667017.0;attach=1259495;image)
Wish i had your arms at 70!
Props oldgold!
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
Looking good for 69. However, you should be taking a good quality multi-vitamin/mineral supplement. The older we get the less the body is able to absorb certain nutrients, especially minerals.
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
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looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
Looking great for your age. Do you dye your hair or wear a wig? ;D
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looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
At 67 those arms are incredible- yet most lifters at any age would be impressive with that build.
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I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
Agreed about protein. I have reduced my intake to less than 100 gm a day- and often only 50-75. I've been doing this for a year and have lost no muscle- yet I feel
so much better! I should add that I get most of my calories from eating natural fats with carbs at anout 100-150 a day.
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looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
Awesome arms for any age let alone 67 mate, are you a Chinese fella ?
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looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
You look like you’re doing well if you can maintain that look after your medical setbacks.
Does heart disease run in your family, or were there other extenuating circumstances?
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I train whole body twice per week for 45 minutes but I'm 69 and 100% drug free, don't even take vitamins.
Great muscle for any age.
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looking good man, i'll be 69 in august. pic below was at 67 before all the shit went down and couldn't train for a year. three surgeries later ending with open heart and i started training a month ago. 7 days a week 40 minutes cardio and 30 minutes light weightlifting.
You look good...Probably leaner than me!
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Do you eat any meat or fish? I get that much protein in one meal with some type of meat.
I eat maybe a chicken breast and can of sardines and some whole wheat bread per day, plus veggies, rice etc. Here's a shot of my right arm (pumped)
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Looking great for your age. Do you dye your hair or wear a wig? ;D
i know it's weird hair is natural all black very few grays. it's a family trait i had an uncle died with a full head of hair mostly black at 90 years old.
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Awesome arms for any age let alone 67 mate, are you a Chinese fella ?
no man, 100 percent Czechoslovakian.
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You look like you’re doing well if you can maintain that look after your medical setbacks.
Does heart disease run in your family, or were there other extenuating circumstances?
no heart disease in the family. just a little insanity that begins and ends with me. i think the over training might have caused. i think i over stressed my immune system causing the infection which ate away my aorta valve. i'm going to downsize my training load for a while.
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You look good...Probably leaner than me!
i don't know you're in great shape probably less beat up than i am.
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i know it's weird hair is natural all black very few grays. it's a family trait i had an uncle died with a full head of hair mostly black at 90 years old.
balls too? just asking ;D
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Lol....Couple months...I took that a month after the gyms closed down and I had been doing pushups, situps and arm work with my one 40 lb. dumbell.
No it's not a pizza slice. lol
I might add that I only get about 35-50 grams of protein daily for the last 30 years. I think protein intake is over rated.
You may be right about protein intake. I used to pay really close attention to trying to match grams of protein to body weight in pounds with an emphasis on protein from meat or fish. I've changed my goal to much less protein but from a greater variety of sources including plant proteins. I can't tell that this has changed my physicality with the exception of feeling better and less full after eating. My body's response to exercise remains the same as it was before.
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balls too? just asking ;D
i won't know he had a suit on at his funeral. :D only the undertaker knows
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i won't know he had a suit on at his funeral. :D only the undertaker knows
:D
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i don't know you're in great shape probably less beat up than i am.
Epic plastic mini stool to climb in and out of the bathtub.
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Epic plastic mini stool to climb in and out of the bathtub.
that thing is beat. :D never used it for that, just to change light bulbs.
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Agreed about protein. I have reduced my intake to less than 100 gm a day- and often only 50-75. I've been doing this for a year and have lost no muscle- yet I feel
so much better! I should add that I get most of my calories from eating natural fats with carbs at anout 100-150 a day.
I'm torn on this subject. You can't build muscle without protein. Carbs can't be converted to amino acids but protein can be converted to glucose so it seems to make sense to err on the side of more protein. Plus, all the health issues regarding diet has to do with excessive carbs and fat which would comprise the majority of you calories if you are only getting 200 calories from protein a day.
Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables.Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?
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I'm torn on this subject. You can't build muscle without protein. Carbs can't be converted to amino acids but protein can be converted to glucose so it seems to make sense to err on the side of more protein. Plus, all the health issues regarding diet has to do with excessive carbs and fat which would comprise the majority of you calories if you are only getting 200 calories from protein a day.
Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables.Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?
The older I get the more I don't really care..I just want it simple
I feel that calories are the end all be all...and as long as I get as many of those calories possible from protein I stay healthy...I try to never let my carbs get over 110 grams a day no matter what my calories number is. I only do this because I notice that I sleep best with minimal carbs.
Bench
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I'm torn on this subject. You can't build muscle without protein. Carbs can't be converted to amino acids but protein can be converted to glucose so it seems to make sense to err on the side of more protein. Plus, all the health issues regarding diet has to do with excessive carbs and fat which would comprise the majority of you calories if you are only getting 200 calories from protein a day.
Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables.Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?
I backed off on protein because i am prone to uric acid kidney stones - a genetic trait on my father's side. It shows up pretty quickly on high protein diets and if i go keto - it can happen in a week.
I used to buy into the high protein diet as a way to build muscle but i think the science still isn't settled on that. I am lean at 185, at a height of 5'9". Right now I sit at 200, pretty much rock steady. I cut my protein to less than 100 gms per day almost exactly one year ago. Haven't changed weight at all- and still lifting the same poundages as being on high protein.
When I was racing bicycles I hung around with a lot of sprinters - guys with monstrous quads - who got them from lifting and sprint intervals. None of them ever was on a high protein diet. In fact they all ate carbs like they were going out of style. I used to travel with a few of them and saw it all first hand.
The biggest legs on a cyclist I have ever seen btw were on Eric Heiden. I was racing in Milwaukee and he was there for the pro events. I stood next to him briefly and was blown away. 28-30" I'd guess. And Heiden was very well known for eating junk food all day long. These guys absolutely did not do high protein diets. Pictures don't do him justice. In his cycling days he was actually smaller than he was while speedskating and yet he was a monster.
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I'm torn on this subject. You can't build muscle without protein. Carbs can't be converted to amino acids but protein can be converted to glucose so it seems to make sense to err on the side of more protein. Plus, all the health issues regarding diet has to do with excessive carbs and fat which would comprise the majority of you calories if you are only getting 200 calories from protein a day.
Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables.Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?
How Do Gorillas Get So Big And Strong While Being Herbivores?
https://nedhardy.com/2020/03/27/how-do-gorillas-get-so-big-and-strong/
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I backed off on protein because i am prone to uric acid kidney stones - a genetic trait on my father's side. It shows up pretty quickly on high protein diets and if i go keto - it can happen in a week.
I used to buy into the high protein diet as a way to build muscle but i think the science still isn't settled on that. I am lean at 185, at a height of 5'9". Right now I sit at 200, pretty much rock steady. I cut my protein to less than 100 gms per day almost exactly one year ago. Haven't changed weight at all- and still lifting the same poundages as being on high protein.
When I was racing bicycles I hung around with a lot of sprinters - guys with monstrous quads - who got them from lifting and sprint intervals. None of them ever was on a high protein diet. In fact they all ate carbs like they were going out of style. I used to travel with a few of them and saw it all first hand.
The biggest legs on a cyclist I have ever seen btw were on Eric Heiden. I was racing in Milwaukee and he was there for the pro events. I stood next to him briefly and was blown away. 28-30" I'd guess. And Heiden was very well known for eating junk food all day long. These guys absolutely did not do high protein diets. Pictures don't do him justice. In his cycling days he was actually smaller than he was while speedskating and yet he was a monster.
A calorie is a calorie.
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I used to believe all the junk I read in the muscle mags about needing huge amounts of protein and so I experimented with myself, high protein did nothing for me. Maybe a guy on steroids needs/responds better to high protein because it helps protein synthysis.
I would like to see a scientific study on optimum protein intake for a steroid free weight trained Man.
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I used to believe all the junk I read in the muscle mags about needing huge amounts of protein and so I experimented with myself, high protein did nothing for me. Maybe a guy on steroids needs/responds better to high protein because it helps protein synthysis.
I would like to see a scientific study on optimum protein intake for a steroid free weight trained Man.
There's been many. I'll save you some time... the men who ate more protein gained more muscle mass.
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A calorie is a calorie.
Pretty much - as far as mass gain and body fat go. I think it you just stick to natural foods and eat based on what you prefer, you'll be fine. The big problem these days is the processed garbage- and that is really good for no one in the long run.
I find myself just wanting a steak some days, eggs another, lots of carbs another. It's how the body works.
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Pretty much - as far as mass gain and body fat go. I think it you just stick to natural foods and eat based on what you prefer, you'll be fine. The big problem these days is the processed garbage- and that is really good for no one in the long run.
I find myself just wanting a steak some days, eggs another, lots of carbs another. It's how the body works.
Yep, the body knows.
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There's been many. I'll save you some time... the men who ate more protein gained more muscle mass.
If you are natural, all mass gains plateau after about 2-3 years, no matter what you eat.
There was a longitudinal study in the very early 60's showing average body mass of lean strength athletes in colleges - and it was huge - 10,000+ people. I will try to find it (It has been about 5 years since I found it on line). A guy my height, 5'9", had weights in the extremes from about 140-200. So that goes from ectomorphic to endomorphic. There were no lean 5'9" guys walking around at 220 until Mr Dianabol showed up.
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If you are natural, all mass gains plateau after about 2-3 years, no matter what you eat.
There was a longitudinal study in the very early 60's showing average body mass of lean strength athletes in colleges - and it was huge - 10,000+ people. I will try to find it (It has been about 5 years since I found it on line). A guy my height, 5'9", had weights in the extremes from about 140-200. So that goes from ectomorphic to endomorphic. There were no lean 5'9" guys walking around at 220 until Mr Dianabol showed up.
I laugh when I hear natties say they've made continuous gains for years or decades. I doubled my bench the first month I trained with weights. If I made continuous gains like that I'd be benching planet Jupiter by now.
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If you are natural, all mass gains plateau after about 2-3 years, no matter what you eat.
There was a longitudinal study in the very early 60's showing average body mass of lean strength athletes in colleges - and it was huge - 10,000+ people. I will try to find it (It has been about 5 years since I found it on line). A guy my height, 5'9", had weights in the extremes from about 140-200. So that goes from ectomorphic to endomorphic. There were no lean 5'9" guys walking around at 220 until Mr Dianabol showed up.
Yes.....This is pretty much my experience also. No more lean muscle after about 2-3 years of training. Lottsa guys put on tons of bodyweight and thinks it's mostly muscle but they are kidding themselves. I'll never forget one 300 lb juiced bodybuilder who worked at Golds and decided to enter the Mr San Diego, he went down and down in bodyweight and on contest night he was still smooth and overweight at 210 lbs. Most people are not objective.
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Yes.....This is pretty much my experience also. No more lean muscle after about 2-3 years of training. Lottsa guys put on tons of bodyweight and thinks it's mostly muscle but they are kidding themselves. I'll never forget one 300 lb juiced bodybuilder who worked at Golds and decided to enter the Mr San Diego, he went down and down in bodyweight and on contest night he was still smooth and overweight at 210 lbs. Most people are not objective.
Nick from Youtube's Nicks' Strength & Power made a video of him training for a natural contest. He started at 220 and planned on dropping to 190 to compete. By the time he got down to the bodyfat % he wanted to compete he weighed 147. :(
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
And protein powder is very cheap to make. The markup is huge so easy money for supp companies.
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
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Agree mate it’s been long time since made any effort whatsoever regarding protein intake
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And protein powder is very cheap to make. The markup is huge so easy money for supp companies.
Yeah, a tub of protein probably makes a few bucks to make and it gets marked up from anywhere to 30-100 a tub.
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Yeah, a tub of protein probably makes a few bucks to make and it gets marked up from anywhere to 30-100 a tub.
Hamburger and chicken is much cheaper and tastes better.
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
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Agree mate it’s been long time since made any effort whatsoever regarding protein intake
Yup! I make zero effort these days. This is what I ate yesterday:
Jasmine rice, peppers, onions, mushrooms, zucchini and chicken.
1 apple
Strawberries and bluberries
Greek Yogurt
Almonds
All were small portions.
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I used to believe all the junk I read in the muscle mags about needing huge amounts of protein and so I experimented with myself, high protein did nothing for me. Maybe a guy on steroids needs/responds better to high protein because it helps protein synthysis.
I would like to see a scientific study on optimum protein intake for a steroid free weight trained Man.
With adding in extra protein, my muscles do have a fuller look.
Also noticed more energy and slight more strength when lifting weights.
Though, I would prefer three meals a day with good protein each time but in my case the powder is more convenient.
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I'm torn on this subject. You can't build muscle without protein. Carbs can't be converted to amino acids but protein can be converted to glucose so it seems to make sense to err on the side of more protein. Plus, all the health issues regarding diet has to do with excessive carbs and fat which would comprise the majority of you calories if you are only getting 200 calories from protein a day.
Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables.Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?
There are many plant based proteins found in common vegetables. Bugs are really high in protein and low in fats.
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/nutrition-values-edible-bugs-insects-9602.html#:~:text=A%203.5-ounce%20serving%20of%20red%20ants%20supplies%20about%2014,require%20on%20a%20daily%20basis.
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Agreed about protein. I have reduced my intake to less than 100 gm a day- and often only 50-75. I've been doing this for a year and have lost no muscle- yet I feel
so much better! I should add that I get most of my calories from eating natural fats with carbs at anout 100-150 a day.
I dont eat a lot of protein, I dont really eat a lot full stop now Im on the carnivore diet
Few burgers , bit of chicken and bacon yoghurt sausage and eggs is pretty much all I eat
Im not looking too bad off that, I have tried high protein but it doesnt seem to make that much difference
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Go by your mirror when diet is involved.......if you look like shit from too much of any nutrient cut it back or cut it out.
Fuck protein grams,carb timing, the scale,and the tape measure............the mirror never lies if you are honest with yourself.
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And protein powder is very cheap to make. The markup is huge so easy money for supp companies.
Especially when they are buying whey and casein powder by the truck load. I worked in the food science and supplement industry for many years. The average marks ups are anywhere from 200-500%.
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
I've switched to plant based protein. There are several good brands on the market. Vega One is excellent and expensive. https://www.netnutri.com/vega-one-chocolate-xl-tub-42-servings
Plant based protein is easier for me to digest. The occasional protein drink is great when you aren't in the mood to fix a meal or in a time crunch.
If you have a Vitamix or any powerful blender, you can make delicious and healthy smoothies with a combination of fruits and plant based protein.
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Yup! I make zero effort these days. This is what I ate yesterday:
Jasmine rice, peppers, onions, mushrooms, zucchini and chicken.
1 apple
Strawberries and bluberries
Greek Yogurt
Almonds
All were small portions.
Haha was your Also fucking up the Qoute function coincidence or deliberate?
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There are many plant based proteins found in common vegetables. Bugs are really high in protein and low in fats.
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/nutrition-values-edible-bugs-insects-9602.html#:~:text=A%203.5-ounce%20serving%20of%20red%20ants%20supplies%20about%2014,require%20on%20a%20daily%20basis.
Prime, I know it seems to just be in your nature to state something contrary just to be contrary no matter what the subject is or it's validity and then display your google searching skills. You don't think I know that there are protein in plants and insects? That wasn't my point. The average male gorilla is over 500 pounds. How many ants do you have to eat to equal a pound of meat that a 180 lb male bber easily eats in a day?
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Haha was your Also fucking up the Qoute function coincidence or deliberate?
ha lol.
I actually tried to post it appropriately, but it seems like it wouldn't let me for some reason. ??? ???
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I've switched to plant based protein. There are several good brands on the market. Vega One is excellent and expensive. https://www.netnutri.com/vega-one-chocolate-xl-tub-42-servings
Plant based protein is easier for me to digest. The occasional protein drink is great when you aren't in the mood to fix a meal or in a time crunch.
If you have a Vitamix or any powerful blender, you can make delicious and healthy smoothies with a combination of fruits and plant based protein.
Waste of your money.
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If you're natty there is really no floor as to how much weight you can lose trying to get ripped.
You can diet yourself down to nothing like an Auschwitz inmate.
The judging for natty contests should not require extreme definition.
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Prime, I know it seems to just be in your nature to state something contrary just to be contrary no matter what the subject is or it's validity and then display your google searching skills. You don't think I know that there are protein in plants and insects? That wasn't my point. The average male gorilla is over 500 pounds. How many ants do you have to eat to equal a pound of meat that a 180 lb male bber easily eats in a day?
I simply answered your question, which was, "Still, how the hell do gorillas get so big and strong being mostly vegetarians? Other than eating termites and ants it's mostly fruits and vegatables. Where do they get the protein to support such incredible muscle mass?" It don't believe I was being contrary at all.
Sure I googled the question because I wanted to know the answer for myself as well as to respond to you. I also read that Gorillas eat as much as 45 lbs of food in a day.
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I've switched to plant based protein. There are several good brands on the market. Vega One is excellent and expensive. https://www.netnutri.com/vega-one-chocolate-xl-tub-42-servings
Plant based protein is easier for me to digest. The occasional protein drink is great when you aren't in the mood to fix a meal or in a time crunch.
If you have a Vitamix or any powerful blender, you can make delicious and healthy smoothies with a combination of fruits and plant based protein.
I have switched to plant protein as well and noticed the same, easier to digest.
Also cheaper than regular whey protein.
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Waste of your money.
Do you mean all plant based protein or just this brand? I tried it because it is the brand my daughter buys and she recommended it. I also, buy Orgain Organic Protein from Costco. Both sell for $30. Orgain weighs just under 3 lbs, while the Vega is just under 2 lbs. Sometimes I get a case of the premix protein drink because it is so handy.
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Prime, I know it seems to just be in your nature to state something contrary just to be contrary no matter what the subject is or it's validity and then display your google searching skills. You don't think I know that there are protein in plants and insects? That wasn't my point. The average male gorilla is over 500 pounds. How many ants do you have to eat to equal a pound of meat that a 180 lb male bber easily eats in a day?
Im not a animal scientist but I would imagine a gorillas muscle mass is more to do with his hormone levels that what he eats
Just look at males going through puberty, they amount of bone and muscle mass growth is not in line with the amount of protein they eat, the surge in hormones creates all the growth..
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Im not a animal scientist but I would imagine a gorillas muscle mass is more to do with his hormone levels that what he eats
Just look at males going through puberty, they amount of bone and muscle mass growth is not in line with the amount of protein they eat, the surge in hormones creates all the growth..
Yah...But they don't have any definition.
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Go by your mirror when diet is involved.......if you look like shit from too much of any nutrient cut it back or cut it out.
Fuck protein grams,carb timing, the scale,and the tape measure............the mirror never lies if you are honest with yourself.
This. According to the New England Journal of Medicine a few years back, the single best measurement of body fat is the size of your midsection. If you can't see abdominal definition you are carrying too much fat (if your goal is to look jacked- otherwise who cares, haha)
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
We all fell for it SF :)
I quit protein shakes after getting some hellacious stomach aches. Don't miss them at all.
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Im not a animal scientist but I would imagine a gorillas muscle mass is more to do with his hormone levels that what he eats
Just look at males going through puberty, they amount of bone and muscle mass growth is not in line with the amount of protein they eat, the surge in hormones creates all the growth..
Prime, payy attention to this post. This is an answer and plausible explanation. You were just stating what everyone knows which didn't answer the question. We all know plants and insects have protein but the amount ingested doesn't correspond to the huge amount of muscle mass a gorrilla carries compared to a human proportionally. There's obviously something different in their metabolism that enables them to carry so much muscle, similar to other herbivores such as a zebra or buffalo.
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Yah...But they don't have any definition.
That's why bbers shave.
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Do you mean all plant based protein or just this brand? I tried it because it is the brand my daughter buys and she recommended it. I also, buy Orgain Organic Protein from Costco. Both sell for $30. Orgain weighs just under 3 lbs, while the Vega is just under 2 lbs. Sometimes I get a case of the premix protein drink because it is so handy.
Just eat eggs.
Protein powder is a convenient way to eat though and you pay for the convenience of course.
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I can't believe I totally fell for the whole "one gram of protein per pound of body weight." I eat 1-2x per day and have not lost any size. What a scam. All the money I spent on protein shakes to get "all of my protein." One of the biggest scams on the market.
What people don’t understand is that the results are not instant...eat both ways for 6 months...1 gram/lb protein and frequently eating for even blood sugar diet will be dramatically better.
But it’s not an instant thing! Too many people in this thread tried it for less than a week and said “I’m not jacked as fuck yet? I ate 2 chicken breast!”
Diets are a marathon...they don’t have to be torture...but they do need consistency
Bench
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What people don’t understand is that the results are not instant...eat both ways for 6 months...1 gram/lb protein and frequently eating for even blood sugar diet will be dramatically better.
But it’s not an instant thing! Too many people in this thread tried it for less than a week and said “I’m not jacked as fuck yet? I ate 2 chicken breast!”
Diets are a marathon...they don’t have to be torture...but they do need consistency
Bench
I agree with this. When I first started bodybuilding I packed on good size eating 1 gram per week. These days all I care about is maintaining, which is much different than trying to pack on size.
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For the last few years, five times a week, 30min, one muscle group per week.
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Just eat eggs.
Protein powder is a convenient way to eat though and you pay for the convenience of course.
Eggs are the absolute highest allergen protein food.
A lot of people try this and feel like absolute shit .. intestinal inflammation, joint inflammation....nothing good.
Eggs can mess up most people pretty bad
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I agree with this. When I first started bodybuilding I packed on good size eating 1 gram per week. These days all I care about is maintaining, which is much different than trying to pack on size.
I am just interested in maintaining size...but I always try to add strength.
If the size happens it happens....but it's not a goal
Bench
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Eggs are the absolute highest allergen protein food.
A lot of people try this and feel like absolute shit .. intestinal inflammation, joint inflammation....nothing good.
Eggs can mess up most people pretty bad
Bench
Vince Gironda is turning in his grave at this post.
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Vince Gironda is turning in his methane filled grave at this post.
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That's why bbers shave.
There used to be a gorilla exhibit in the Honolulu zoo with a 'tug of war' set up. That gorilla used to easily yank big Kanakas around like they were children.
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Eggs are the absolute highest allergen protein food.
A lot of people try this and feel like absolute shit .. intestinal inflammation, joint inflammation....nothing good.
Eggs can mess up most people pretty bad
Bench
Eggs don't bother me. I can eat eggs till the chickens go on strike.
Protein powder makes me fart.
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It's the crap like artificial sweeteners etc in protein powders that ferments and makes people fart. Not the protein per se.
Also, regarding the gorillas mentioned earlier, their digestive systems are able to convert plant matter into amino acids. The human digestive system is not designed to do this. We have an acid based digestive system that breaks down the by products of the fermentation of plant matter into amino acids ie animal muscle tissue/meat.
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Eggs don't bother me. I can eat eggs till the chickens go on strike.
Protein powder makes me fart.
I have 2 shakes a day...but I don't stray from the brand and I only use 1 scoop.
1 immediately upon waking, and the other immediately before I go to sleep.
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Eggs don't bother me. I can eat eggs till the chickens go on strike.
Protein powder makes me fart.
Try plant protein instead of whey, has no lactose or gluten, easy to digest and no bloating.
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I dump the scoop of powder straight into my mouth, then swig water and chew it down. Really saves time compared to washing a shaker.
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It's the crap like artificial sweeteners etc in protein powders that ferments and makes people fart. Not the protein per se.
Also, regarding the gorillas mentioned earlier, their digestive systems are able to convert plant matter into amino acids. The human digestive system is not designed to do this. We have an acid based digestive system that breaks down the by products of the fermentation of plant matter into amino acids ie animal muscle tissue/meat.
Do you have a link to this claim? Plants are carbohydrates. Carbohydrates break down into glucose. You are saying that their digestive system is able to convert glucose into amino acids. I've read the explanation how amino acids can be converted to glucose but not vice versa.
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One set a day is all u need . Keeping cals high is more important
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It's the crap like artificial sweeteners etc in protein powders that ferments and makes people fart. Not the protein per se.
Not always, but artificial sweeteners do harm the the healthy gut bacteria and can cause bloating/farting.
If you need a protein powder the best is unflavoured bioactive undenatured whey protein.
I have gone plant based too, but only because you can use the powders in cooked/heated food. I add some pea and brown rice protein powder to a huge boil of soup as I can't stand shakes any more.
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One set a day is all u need . Keeping cals high is more important
Can you post a recent picture to show us how this is working out for you. If you found this is the best way to train then you are probably better now than you were when the mighty Falcon flew high.
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Do you have a link to this claim? Plants are carbohydrates. Carbohydrates break down into glucose. You are saying that their digestive system is able to convert glucose into amino acids. I've read the explanation how amino acids can be converted to glucose but not vice versa.
I found this:
Even if you were determined to shovel all that vegetation in your mouth, it wouldn't do you much good. Threads on Reddit's AskScience forum have probed the gorilla question, revealing that the apes' intestines digest foods differently to humans'.
Gorillas have gut bacteria that's better at both converting cellulose (plant matter) into energy and synthesising amino acids, which supercharge all that muscle mass.
And
3.Gorillas Can Easily Use Plant Fibers By Digesting Cellulose
There is one more thing that is noticeable in Uganda Destinations like Bwindi forest park & its nearby areas that these Gorillas can also digest cellulose that allows them to completely use the plant fibers. Now when this fact is compared to human vegetarians & other animal species that are herbivorous, digesting cellulose is completely impossible. Clearly stating that these mountain gorillas are amazing in numerous ways that we can’t even imagine.
imagine.
4.They Have Unique Digestive System For Fixing More Protein In Their Body
Through your observations in Uganda Safari, you will also come to know through the guides and doctors that these gorillas possess a digestive tract which is amazingly long & capable of converting cellulose into Omega-3 fatty acids. This variant of fatty acid is very important for the health of their brain as well as the health of their central and peripheral nervous system. Moreover, this fatty acid also helps in supplying the coating of the plasma membrane of these gorillas. As far as this membrane is concerned, it allows certain nutrients to flow in & out of the cells smoothly.
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I found this:
Even if you were determined to shovel all that vegetation in your mouth, it wouldn't do you much good. Threads on Reddit's AskScience forum have probed the gorilla question, revealing that the apes' intestines digest foods differently to humans'.
Gorillas have gut bacteria that's better at both converting cellulose (plant matter) into energy and synthesising amino acids, which supercharge all that muscle mass.
And
3.Gorillas Can Easily Use Plant Fibers By Digesting Cellulose
There is one more thing that is noticeable in Uganda Destinations like Bwindi forest park & its nearby areas that these Gorillas can also digest cellulose that allows them to completely use the plant fibers. Now when this fact is compared to human vegetarians & other animal species that are herbivorous, digesting cellulose is completely impossible. Clearly stating that these mountain gorillas are amazing in numerous ways that we can’t even imagine.
imagine.
4.They Have Unique Digestive System For Fixing More Protein In Their Body
Through your observations in Uganda Safari, you will also come to know through the guides and doctors that these gorillas possess a digestive tract which is amazingly long & capable of converting cellulose into Omega-3 fatty acids. This variant of fatty acid is very important for the health of their brain as well as the health of their central and peripheral nervous system. Moreover, this fatty acid also helps in supplying the coating of the plasma membrane of these gorillas. As far as this membrane is concerned, it allows certain nutrients to flow in & out of the cells smoothly.
You and I read the same article.
I take 600 mg of Omega 3 via fish oil. Hope I don't become a gorilla. ;D
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I found this:
Even if you were determined to shovel all that vegetation in your mouth, it wouldn't do you much good. Threads on Reddit's AskScience forum have probed the gorilla question, revealing that the apes' intestines digest foods differently to humans'.
Gorillas have gut bacteria that's better at both converting cellulose (plant matter) into energy and synthesising amino acids, which supercharge all that muscle mass.
And
3.Gorillas Can Easily Use Plant Fibers By Digesting Cellulose
There is one more thing that is noticeable in Uganda Destinations like Bwindi forest park & its nearby areas that these Gorillas can also digest cellulose that allows them to completely use the plant fibers. Now when this fact is compared to human vegetarians & other animal species that are herbivorous, digesting cellulose is completely impossible. Clearly stating that these mountain gorillas are amazing in numerous ways that we can’t even imagine.
imagine.
4.They Have Unique Digestive System For Fixing More Protein In Their Body
Through your observations in Uganda Safari, you will also come to know through the guides and doctors that these gorillas possess a digestive tract which is amazingly long & capable of converting cellulose into Omega-3 fatty acids. This variant of fatty acid is very important for the health of their brain as well as the health of their central and peripheral nervous system. Moreover, this fatty acid also helps in supplying the coating of the plasma membrane of these gorillas. As far as this membrane is concerned, it allows certain nutrients to flow in & out of the cells smoothly.
Wow! This is awesome information! Thanks for posting and clarifying this.
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I do something everyday to keep blood in my muscles Whether at home or in a gym. Been training for over 40 yrs at this point doesn't have to be much or a specific routine. This is from the last time I was training consistently at a gym
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Those plant based protein powders like pea etc are full of dietary lectins. Not good for anyone's digestive system long term. They cause increased intestinal permeability (leaky gut) and a plethora of other issues.
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Fullbody 2-3 times per week depending on work and 30 min walk at night 3 times a week...no cardio at gym