Dorian and Coleman were hard core trainers. None of this casual light weights hand in the gym workouts.No drop sets, super sets, giant sets?
No drop sets, super sets, giant sets?
Platz spent 5 minutes on a set sometimes..
I know that most of the board will disagree with me, but I think that Dorian had better genetics that most of his rivals
His chest routine is POF which i think is what makes low volume actually productive. The routine seems basic but its actually pretty scientific. Note the brief squeeze on each rep of crossovers. I dont like his execution on flyes but its good enough.
Scale of 1-10 his chest workout scores a 9.5
What does this mean, pof? please!
Positions of Flexion
Dorians chest routine fits POF, Arnolds biceps routine (barbell curls incline db curls concentration curks) is POF. however bbers rarely do certain things right like the squeeze on a peak contracted exercise or achieving the bounce needed to activate myotatic reflex. The training theory is very sound, steroids and GH seem to have become the cultures focus but thats not hiw things should be.
Dorian had an extremely aesthetic structure and muscle shape imo.
Aesthetics may be somewhat subjective but there are also some universals there which many can't even put their finger on or articulate but instinctively recognise. For example leg length vs torso length, where Dorian was superb. There is very little that is off with Dorian until he tore the arm and slightly blew out the gut. Maybe he lacked a little quad separation.
Dorian's training was really low volume if you count only the working sets. Which means he felt everything had to happen in that one working set. If you do many working sets, even if at high intensity, you may not give 100% to every set. So the low volume approach can be really mentally taxing. Working at 100% is extremely taxing, you can really tax yourself in a fraction of a second. An extreme example of much more intense effort is a powerlifting max world record attempt. It doesn't take many seconds but can take weeks or months to recover from.
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I think his 95 showing was his best, if you overlook the one bicep.
You are right about Shawn's short legs, was what popped into my mind when I wrote my post. Most wouldn't even think about his leg length. It's relatively small things like that affect aesthetics.
Yes and Platz looks like a lesbian and Dorian is the fucking GOAT.
Positions of Flexion
Dorians chest routine fits POF, Arnolds biceps routine (barbell curls incline db curls concentration curks) is POF. however bbers rarely do certain things right like the squeeze on a peak contracted exercise or achieving the bounce needed to activate myotatic reflex. The training theory is very sound, steroids and GH seem to have become the cultures focus but thats not hiw things should be.
Genetics and Bodybuilding IQ and most importantly consistency separated Dorian from everyone else including Ronnie.Agreed.
I recall Dorian pointing out that while his physique wasnt pretty it was complete and that you could turn him upside down left to right etc and not find weaknesses. The same was never true of his competitors levrone wheeler sonbaty you could make a case for shawn ray but shawn was too short and his legs were real short. So i would agree, Dorian had a very very favorable skeletal structure. I also believe he really should have retired in 94 after it was obvious his biceps tear was never going to look better than crap. If you look at the olympias he won 92 93 94 95 96 97 only 92 and 93 were respectable. After that he gassed and tore his left biceps. What improvements did he make after 93? Shawn ray arguably deserved at least one sandow same for Levrone and Wheeler. I dont understand why he kept going, if it was purely financial ok I get that but when he finally retired he said the reason was because he did not believe he could still make progress. Well holy fuck welcome to reality and you havent made progress in years! Time to let it go man, you made it you won the Mr Olympia twice now give it a rest and let the other would be legends fight it out. I think his decision was purely in his best interest and not for the good of the sport overall and Ill always hold that against him but regardless Dorian Yates will always be top 3 of all time in my mind and one of the few bodybuilding champio s whose pictures I put up on my walls to get me through. God bless himIt's pretty individual I think. Recoveryability. I for example am a "retard" when it comes to recoveryability. I have tried more frequent programs, like last time i tried the "wisconsin method" that Eric Bugenhagen has had great results from. Resulted in me almost tearing a pec. I tried to gradually get to that frequency but I just couldn't without eventually getting tendonitis or soreness that was inviting to injury. Maybe I did something wrong programming that.
I think his 95 showing was his best, if you overlook the one bicep.yates structure and limbs were good,his legs while large weren't stumpy looking they were long and his calves made the appearance more dramatic 'they were insane'his shape wasnt great but like been stated million times his granite look made him the man to beat.
You are right about Shawn's short legs, was what popped into my mind when I wrote my post. Most wouldn't even think about his leg length. It's relatively small things like that affect aesthetics.
1995 Dorian looked amazing. I prefer his younger years though when he was lighter.
I think HIT training make sense, for People who are physical strong.
If you are weak and can’t use enough weight then this wouldn't be effective.
But for him to claim that no one was training harder than him was just not true.
With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.
"The Lesbian and the Goat"...
Sounds like some kind of modern PC children's book ;D
ding ding. HIT makes sense if you are just a stronger than normal guy
I have seen many people do harder longer workouts than Dorian.
I do however think Dorian did just enough to stimulate growth and then it was meticulous diet and rets and the right drug combination and of course incredible genetics.
But for him to claim that no one was training harder than him was just not true.
Well #1 he stated none of his competitors trained harder which is almost certainly true #2 what he also said was that he gave 110% all the time with the inflection being training eating sleeping etc.
His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.
With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.
I recall Dorian pointing out that while his physique wasnt pretty it was complete and that you could turn him upside down left to right etc and not find weaknesses. The same was never true of his competitors levrone wheeler sonbaty you could make a case for shawn ray but shawn was too short and his legs were real short. So i would agree, Dorian had a very very favorable skeletal structure. I also believe he really should have retired in 94 after it was obvious his biceps tear was never going to look better than crap. If you look at the olympias he won 92 93 94 95 96 97 only 92 and 93 were respectable. After that he gassed and tore his left biceps. What improvements did he make after 93? Shawn ray arguably deserved at least one sandow same for Levrone and Wheeler. I dont understand why he kept going, if it was purely financial ok I get that but when he finally retired he said the reason was because he did not believe he could still make progress. Well holy fuck welcome to reality and you havent made progress in years! Time to let it go man, you made it you won the Mr Olympia twice now give it a rest and let the other would be legends fight it out. I think his decision was purely in his best interest and not for the good of the sport overall and Ill always hold that against him but regardless Dorian Yates will always be top 3 of all time in my mind and one of the few bodybuilding champio s whose pictures I put up on my walls to get me through. God bless him
Complete bullshit. 2 plates for 6 reps incline bench is not a working set for him, it's not remotely taxing. He only did one all-out set typically with forced reps, previous sets were not even close to working sets. I hesitate to even call them warm-ups, more a case of dialling in form and mental focus.
95 wasn't respectable? People do post a lot of drivel on here. Even 96 and 94 he looked v good. Certainly better than most of Ronnie's or Jay's wins.
His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.
With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.
you cant by definition give 110% 100% is the maximum.
And other competitors did train harder, they pushed sets passed failure, they did drop sets super sets giant sets, all far more taxing than 1 set to failure.
His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.
With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.
I've never once heard him ever talk about his midsection routine. Does anyone know if this was also a 'one set to failure' type of thing? Which exercises did he prefer to do?
Dorian was very strict to make an ongoing training and food log (plan). How many of the top pros did that?
"For quads, um, we're going to do three exercises: leg extensions, leg press and machine hack squats."
"And how many sets per exercise?"
"Ah, ahem, we're going to do, the first exercise we're going to do 3 sets. So we are going to do a light set to get the movement, get everything, get the blood in there. A medium set, to further, you know, get the body and the mind ready. Then the last set is going to be like... like somebody's got a gun to your little baby's head. Yeah. And he's going to pull the trigger unless you fucking give 100%. Life and death. One set. One "
-- Dorian Yates to Brian Rose, CEO and President of London Real, just before a leg workout.
anyone can do a set like that..
Incline press worked up to 1 set of 4 plates a side for 6 reps, no forced repswho wins in this pic.
machine bench press 1 working set 3.5 plates 7 reps couple forced
in cline fly/press one working set 110lb dumbells 8 reps slight touch
1 set cable crossovers 8 reps
Yes and no. There is no good way to measure effort but I would say, for example, that training to the point of failure can be vastly different experiences for 2 different trainees.
It can be vastly different for the same guy depending on what is going on in his head at the moment. If it truly was a life or death situation, which it never is in gym, the effort might be considerably higher.
For example. Here is a hard set of squats. On paper it's just one set to failure, so what, anyone can do it, right? No, this type of effort is not common, it can't be done for multiple sets every week.
Look at a fighter in his corner at the end of the 11th round, he s exhausted, he his given his all, hes not sure if he is going to die, he cant raise his arms , his head is pounding his vision is blurred......
Then the opposing corner throws in the towel, in an instant he's up off his stool dancing around the ring as the winner , arms aloft, jumping on the corner ropes soaking up the applause..
I thought you were going to say he had a few more in him :D
With more endurance type work there's almost always more to give. And this squat set was getting into that territory.
Tom Platz talked about doing 2 50 rep squat sets every other week at some point.
anyone can do a set like that..
Yes and no. There is no good way to measure effort but I would say, for example, that training to the point of failure can be vastly different experiences for 2 different trainees.
It can be vastly different for the same guy depending on what is going on in his head at the moment. If it truly was a life or death situation, which it never is in gym, the effort might be considerably higher.
For example. Here is a hard set of squats. On paper it's just one set to failure, so what, anyone can do it, right? No, this type of effort is not common, it can't be done for multiple sets every week.
Everytime I walk into the gym I take a moment and survey the floor. Just check out how crowded it is and just watch random people as they go through their set. I can't remember the last time I ever saw anybody -- ANYBODY -- take a set even close to failure. When they terminate a set they could have easily -- EASILY -- get another 3 or 4 reps before. And it shows. There are very few physiques in my gym that if I saw them on the beach or mall or just out in public there is nothing about them to suggest that they ever worked out in their life despite going to the gym for years and years.
there are many pros who train like that...
That's why I think if you want to progress it helps to keep records.
If on your work set you did 8 reps on a certain weight you have a reference point. Now the next time you try for the 9th and 10th rep. Even if you start out not really giving your all even though you think you are, having this goal of always attempting to exceed your past performance you will eventually reach a point where you are really pushing yourself if you are determined to progress.
Absolutely. I was like you, I believed from the start as a young kid you needed to progress in weight or reps to make progress. But I also know plenty of good bodybuilders for whom this concept is totally foreign. I still think I'm right but these other guys are so much better than I am. :D
I do think most bodybuilders make very little progress after a certain point but sometimes they can go far on that initial progress and/or make some gains just through time on drugs/quantity of drugs/different drugs.
Setting PRs as a kid was glorious though, great memories :D
Incline press worked up to 1 set of 4 plates a side for 6 reps, no forced repsAnd then Eddie Hall did 6 plates for 6 reps without a spotter.
machine bench press 1 working set 3.5 plates 7 reps couple forced
in cline fly/press one working set 110lb dumbells 8 reps slight touch
1 set cable crossovers 8 reps
The only one that can train harder than Dorian...is me...Eddie trained harder than Dorian. Not a bodybuilder true but weight wise and intensity no contest. Eddie was a beast!
Eddie trained harder than Dorian. Not a bodybuilder true but weight wise and intensity no contest. Eddie was a beast!Dorian was a bodybuilder
who wins in this pic.Shawn is a midget next to Dorian, no offense
The only one that can train harder than Dorian...is me...Enjoy.
Watch the video, his working set on incline bench was 7 reps no forced.
his fly/press were not pushed to failure
in fact he didnt fail on any set, he completed the reps on his own
X2Yes agreed. You don't win Mr. O with shitty genetics. But I don't think even Dorian thinks he had shitty genetics. Just that some of his competitors had better genetics than he did. The mind is also part of your genetics. So Dorian's genetics was the best when you add his mind, will power, and discipline.
Sure dorian didn't have the best shape compared to the very aesthetic physiques of the nineties, but he had a good frame with freaky body parts, got in awesome condition and had the ability to gain massive amounts of mass.... That's not all hard work there's a lot of genetics in that too.
Dorian trained extremely hard, at the end of the day it goes like this, Dorian is the best out of all white bodybuilders while Ronnie is the best out of all black bodybuilders (Heath being a close second place)
You fucking retard.Bro...
I don't think his HIT style works for everyone, not saying it couldn't theoretically but most people aren't able to follow that atyle an hopefully find the ideal thing for them.It mentally burns you out IF you aren't physically injured first.
I love doing high volume burn out sets at the beginning and end of some exercises. I do 10-12 heavy as poss but need that skin splitting pump to feel happy with what I have done. I just enjoy the challenge and the way to exorcise anger an aggression in a positive way.
I am a long way off my goals but lots of inspirational dudes here.
Good luck to all pursuing their dreams.
plenty of bb in the world who workout hard, they just don't have the dna to make it happenYep, hard work is overrated in all sports. Everyone works hard but only those with the great genetics rise to the top.
Yep, hard work is overrated in all sports. Everyone works hard but only those with the great genetics rise to the top.very irritating
Really the screaming from training partner,like he was having a baby.it’s just lifting folks…
Yep, hard work is overrated in all sports. Everyone works hard but only those with the great genetics rise to the top.Not only sports. Also capitalism etc
Really the screaming from training partner,like he was having a baby.it’s just lifting folks…I would throw him out if it was my gym,,,
No one trained harder than DorianBro,,,
No one trained harder than DorianHighly improbable
Dorian’s training partner is legendary. His name is LeRoy. Trust me- no LeRoy no Dorian. They were inseparable friends.Wasn't he the meanest man in the whole damn town?
LeRoy was a gentleman and as humble as anyone can be.
The very first time I met LeRoy was post-Olympia 1993. LeRoy came to Golds with Dorian. I sent LeRoy over to our kickass Pro Shop to get “anything he wanted for himself and his friends…”. He called me over to OK his purchase/selection (it was comped of course). He had 2 T-shirts, 2 hats, a magazine, and a bottle of water.
He was super grateful for those few items.
I had to try hard to convince him to get more. Just a humble, thankful gentlemen.
I would throw him out if it was my gym,,,meaner than a junkyard dog
meaner than a junkyard dog
Bro,,,My nikka
Wasn't he the meanest man in the whole damn town?Lol, he only knew his ''good'' side, he never knew his bad, dark side
dorian was better because he took more insulin and igf than everybody elseBro...
dorian was better because he took more insulin and igf than everybody else
Dorian trained with intensityEveryone trains with some level of intensity.
Conjecture.
does "Conjecture" mean "probably true" ? ???
does "Conjecture" mean "probably true" ? ???
Dorian said that the only year that he used insulin was 1997
Ronnie worked harder than Dorian. Fucking retard worked so hard he crippled himself.
Dorian ended the ironage… what you have as the top 3 standing at the Olympia stage today is thanks to him.
Cormier said Dorian has a small cockthat seems fairly self evident
I think he out smarted everybody, he thought about bodybuilding logically, in terms of actual work, all the other guys it was monkey see monkey do, lots of cardio/lots of training, not taking rest days, not taking the off-season seriously and meticulously. The other dudes were actually working more, but that doesn't yeld more results. Dorian was able to realize this and capitalize on it. He didn't listen to gurus/coaches, he studied pharmacology, nutrition, training...tested various theories and approaches and found through his own analysis what worked best for him. He worked smarter, not harder.Agreed
Bevo is a registered sex offender, and he has been convicted of indecent exposure and public lewdness.
Conjecture.
Royalty is jealous of #teamHorseCock, it’s quite evident
Royalty is jealous of #loneydeviant, it’s quite evident
Keeps the poor guy up at night.
Everyone trains with some level of intensity.Bro...
I think he out smarted everybody, he thought about bodybuilding logically, in terms of actual work, all the other guys it was monkey see monkey do, lots of cardio/lots of training, not taking rest days, not taking the off-season seriously and meticulously. The other dudes were actually working more, but that doesn't yeld more results. Dorian was able to realize this and capitalize on it. He didn't listen to gurus/coaches, he studied pharmacology, nutrition, training...tested various theories and approaches and found through his own analysis what worked best for him. He worked smarter, not harder.Yes, also Yates developed insane legs and back, the rest of his physique was great too but he had an enormous amount of mass in those 2 body parts, plus he came in dry, shredded, the combination was insane, I feel Dorian was literally as massive as Markus Ruhl, but just came in dryer than Markus, although Dorian never had the arm size of Markus though (Markus reached 24'' I think, Dorian 22'')
He is better than all of them, and looked nothing like them.Right. What a ridiculous post
Your penis is small and you know it. That’s why women avoid you. You admitted that you have zero women in your life. End of story.
How about I post a pic and you post a pic and we can compare :D
You refused last time I asked, why is that?
No Woman On Earth Wants You
BEVO, you lonely pathetic deviant, this describes you perfectly 😂
No Woman On Earth Wants You
BEVO, you lonely pathetic deviant, this describes you perfectly 😂
Are we posting pics? :D
Or do we need to send them to Prime for validation like Matt C did?
Yates training was nothing radical. It was just pyramid sets with some assisted reps at the end of the last set. No forced reps. No real negatives. No drop sets. No rest pause. He just worked up to a top set. Most pro's have done that in their training at times.
Yates training was nothing radical. It was just pyramid sets with some assisted reps at the end of the last set. No forced reps. No real negatives. No drop sets. No rest pause. He just worked up to a top set. Most pro's have done that in their training at times.
Dorian trains other people way harder than he trained,
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Yep, Yates is letting these guys go too hard on their sets, they're going too heavy on some exercises where they are just grinding. The stress is going onto the joints and tendons snd not fully on the muscle. If they keep training like that an injury is bound to occur.he mustnt like seeing people with a tendon attached to both ends of a muscle.
This must be the Rapture or something, because here I am *agreeing* with RMJ!
:) LOL.
Yates did do some forced reps (you called them "assisted") in his training tape, but I agree with you: his intensity on a set per set, workout by workout basis wasn't like he was doing anything crazy a'la Plata.
Where I might respectfully differ with you and Jeff is that I think the notion that Yates "outworked his competitors" was probably true. Maybe not Ray...he trained very hard. But Levrone? Taking off many months at a time might be smart but if you're playing in your band, routinely getting smashed and not training for 3-4 months out of the year? Sorry: Doz wasn't taking breaks. He wasn't going out and swimming in vodka.
Wheeler? LOL. He and Dillet were known for being pussy trainers.
Who does that leave? Nasser? We've seen his training footage. Back day: ooh, 585 rack deads high above the knee! Our own Fortress trained with Nasser and, I quote, Rob "...marvelled at Nasser struggling with 315" on incline barbell presses.
It was the consistency of effort Dorian applied that cemented him as a guy who "outworked" his competition.
I don't believe Levrone did not work out at all in those 5 months. He was seen in the gym at times in his offseason but wasn't training as hard as he would for a contest. He did the same push, pull, legs split but only did 2 exercises per bodypart for r or 5 sets each. More of a maintence routine.
As for Yates, he did more volume in the offseason so it was the opposite of Levrone. He'd do a warm up set, then a prep set, a top set, a back off set followed by a drop set. So 4 to 5 sets per exercise in the offseadon. When contest csme Yates switch to his blood and guts trainjng with Leeroy.
Dorian trains other people way harder than he trained,Did you train with him?
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Did you train with him?No
NoThink outside the Box bro ::)
I train by myself
Think outside the Box bro ::)
That is outside the boxYour Guru is dead
Most people train with someone
Your Guru is deadI learned enough before he passed.
I learned enough before he passed.you have short-muscle belly syndrome
Muscles pull in a straight line
therein lies the key to atrophy.
you have short-muscle belly syndromeIm 5'10 ;D
Im 5'10 ;Dsmall man
Im 5'10 ;D
Bhanky is the same height
Dorian was frank in his autobiography, mentioning his naturally high workout capacity. He was naturally strong and highly conditioned. If you are built that way naturally and juice to the gills, it is difficult for others to surpass your level of work.LMFAO
I had seen a documentary on Rocky Marciano, who worked maniacally all year round. His success was significantly due to his obsessiveness and extreme competitiveness, but he was also built to last. You can't run 10-15 miles in heavy boots all year round, and regularly punch 300-pound heavy bags without destroying your tendons, unless you are built that way.
Most of the iconic Iron Age champions seem to have been blessed with a robust constitution. Those who weren't built to withstand such intense pressures and high workloads often ended up burning out.
Reg Park was another exceptional individual. He could eat 3-pound steaks without hardly chewing and was capable of working out with heavy weights even well into his 40s.
Genetics isn't a magical muscle structure that blow with some pills, it plays a significant role in an individual's capacity to work hard, take Arnold, he was relatively strong but his extreme aerobic capacity was the key for his superb conditioning, not many did 50 sets squats in their teens.
It is hard to say, whether he succeed because he worked hard, or he was built in a way to withstand such sick routine, this is common factor on other sports as well.
LMFAOAre you a toddler? Because you can't imagine doing something, doesnt mean it is impossible.
Are you a toddler? Because you can't imagine doing something, doesnt mean it is impossible.But why do it?
I said before and say again, I have seen a 5th place IFBB Mr. Universe lightweight finisher working out in his mid 60's, he was doing chest, and he was a very small boned guy, with only big chest.
The volume he did, with a very respectful poundage was seen to be believed,and what he said was, Ahmet Enunlu who was good 30 pounds heavier and genetically much much superior to him was working much much harder than him when in his prime.
I can't even imagine what the hell he was doing,because that small old guy was doing so much volume with so little rest, so I believe Arnold really occasionally did 50 set squats with 250 pounds, on the alpines! because he is also known for his amazing recuparation ability and naturally very high energy levels. Energy levels is another genetic factor, some people just have so much natural energ, you have it or not.
Dorian Yates off season mass gain
Day 1
Shoulders Triceps
Military press or Dumbbell press
Side raises
Dumbbell shrugs
Pressdowns
Lying extensions
Day 2
Back
Reverse grip pulldowns
Bent over rows or machine rows
Cable rows
Rear raises
Deadlifts
Day 3 off
Day 4
Chest Biceps
Incline press
Machine press or Dumbbell press
Flys
Ez bar curls
Concentration curls
Day 5
Legs
Leg extensions
Leg press
Hack squats
Leg curls
Stiff leg deadlifts
Calf raises
Seated calf raises
After warm ups 3 sets of 6 to 10 reps
Set 1 top weight
Set 2 back off set with a 5 to10% drop in weight
Set 3 drop set 20 to 30% drop in weight done soon after the 2nd set
But why do it?Working out is their life, not much of a social life other than the gym buddies, and it also burns fat, no need for cardio working out like this.
I still see the hit cult still praising Yates as a "prodigy" of meth head's heavy dooty and that his one set was so intense it's of the charts. Laughable. Dorian tells stories and hypes himself up so that the hit cult swallow it up. He has to stay relevant somehow so he sells the hit kool aid to those who don't know any better and buy into his bs.The king !
The king !
The king of huge drug dosages. That's it.There are plenty of competitors who used just as much.
There are plenty of competitors who used just as much.
It really does not matter how Yates trained. He could have used all machines.
Drugs and genetic response to drugs is all he needed.
Dorian’s training partner is legendary. His name is LeRoy. Trust me- no LeRoy no Dorian. They were inseparable friends.
LeRoy was a gentleman and as humble as anyone can be.
He did do one work set to failure. Yes, he did a warm up set or two if needed. No one at his strength level just does one work set to failure without a warm up. Even at my modest strength level I usually do a submaximal warm up set prior to an all out set. If you truly do one set to failure there is no way you can come back and do a second set at the same intensity. If you did a set and failed at 10 there is no way you can rest 90 seconds and get another 10 reps. If you can you weren't truly at failure at 10 reps for the first set.
I have trained with one set to failure or two sets for over 40 years. If I used two sets per exercise there usually was a warm set then one set to around 90% failure then the second work set to 100% failure. Using the one set to failure model is brutal. It's very hard on the mind to go all out for that one set for every exercise.
Having said all the above I think for the majority of trainers and even my self would do better with multiple sets. The muscular endurance method of lifting works. Doing something like 5 sets of 12 works amazing. If using the same weight the first set is to 12 but you could have gotten 20 reps if you went to failure. The second set of 5 sets of 12 you stop at 12 reps but could have gotten 17. The third set you stop at 12 but could have gotten 14 reps. The fourth you stop at 12 but could have gutted out 13 reps. The fifth you fail at 10 reps. This is a very effective way of training.
The best part of doing one set to failure is how it fits in a busy life. When I do a Dorian split three of the workouts take about 45 minutes and leg day one hour. I don't know how guys drive say an hour to work then work 8 to 10 hours coming home to a family to hit the gym at night for two hours. Even if one set to failure was only 85% as effective as a volume routine it's a no brainer for a guy with a family and a real career.
Incorrect. Let's take his old back routine from a 1986 mag. It went like this
Weighted chin ups 3 work sets
Bent rows 3 work sets
Cable rows 3 work sets
Deadlifts 4 sets of 10 8 6 6 pyramiding up the weight.
He did chest and shoulders along with back so his workouts far exceeded that of the 45 minutes that he claims to have done.
Yates did conventional methods to build up. Not one set to failure hit guff.
When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set.
The narrator in the blood and guts vid states that Yates did "a few warm up sets then does one set to failure and beyond" but in the vid he did anything but. First, he's using pyramid sets, nothing new there. Then he does his last set with a bit of assistance from Leeroy. But did he do any forced reps? Rest pause? Drop sets? To go beyond failure...no he did not. On some exercises he didn't even go to failure so how is that hit? It is not.
No. Yates trained conventionally for the most part. His method is no different than many of the pro's and amateur bodybuilders who have come and gone over the years,
Blood and guts is not a training manual. It is just for entertainment purposes and nothing more. You really think Yates trained like that day in, day out with leeroy shouting at him? It's all done for cameras. It's all for entertainment.
Yates is just another old former champion hyping himself up by telling stories and making out he took very few dosages of roids. Yeah, right.
He has to stay relevant because what else has he got? Nothing. He has no real qualifications or other work experience. His life has been bodybuilding. He's going to keep selling the HIT kool aid until the day he dies and the hit clan are going to keep lapping it up. It's very misleading and very dishonest.
As for hit being good for those that claim they don't have time (they have time but make up excuses) it certainly is time efficient but it will not yield good results at all.
watch it with the sound off, without Leroy screaming its a straight forward workout
Exactly. If some typical gym rat was in the gym training like that nobody would care.If Leroy was in my gym he wouldnt be screaming like that, he would be banned...
He did do one work set to failure. Yes, he did a warm up set or two if needed. No one at his strength level just does one work set to failure without a warm up. Even at my modest strength level I usually do a submaximal warm up set prior to an all out set. If you truly do one set to failure there is no way you can come back and do a second set at the same intensity. If you did a set and failed at 10 there is no way you can rest 90 seconds and get another 10 reps. If you can you weren't truly at failure at 10 reps for the first set.The (s)HIT warriors make the mistake of thinking that the only thing that creates hypertrophy is adding weight or reps to a set. Hypertrophy requires different chemical reactions in the muscle and body as a whole.
I have trained with one set to failure or two sets for over 40 years. If I used two sets per exercise there usually was a warm set then one set to around 90% failure then the second work set to 100% failure. Using the one set to failure model is brutal. It's very hard on the mind to go all out for that one set for every exercise.
Having said all the above I think for the majority of trainers and even my self would do better with multiple sets. The muscular endurance method of lifting works. Doing something like 5 sets of 12 works amazing. If using the same weight the first set is to 12 but you could have gotten 20 reps if you went to failure. The second set of 5 sets of 12 you stop at 12 reps but could have gotten 17. The third set you stop at 12 but could have gotten 14 reps. The fourth you stop at 12 but could have gutted out 13 reps. The fifth you fail at 10 reps. This is a very effective way of training.
The best part of doing one set to failure is how it fits in a busy life. When I do a Dorian split three of the workouts take about 45 minutes and leg day one hour. I don't know how guys drive say an hour to work then work 8 to 10 hours coming home to a family to hit the gym at night for two hours. Even if one set to failure was only 85% as effective as a volume routine it's a no brainer for a guy with a family and a real career.
The king !
The (s)HIT warriors make the mistake of thinking that the only thing that creates hypertrophy is adding weight or reps to a set. Hypertrophy requires different chemical reactions in the muscle and body as a whole.
Yep, Yates is letting these guys go too hard on their sets, they're going too heavy on some exercises where they are just grinding. The stress is going onto the joints and tendons snd not fully on the muscle. If they keep training like that an injury is bound to occur.
Incorrect. Let's take his old back routine from a 1986 mag. It went like this
Weighted chin ups 3 work sets
Bent rows 3 work sets
Cable rows 3 work sets
Deadlifts 4 sets of 10 8 6 6 pyramiding up the weight.
He did chest and shoulders along with back so his workouts far exceeded that of the 45 minutes that he claims to have done.
Yates did conventional methods to build up. Not one set to failure hit guff.
When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set.
The narrator in the blood and guts vid states that Yates did "a few warm up sets then does one set to failure and beyond" but in the vid he did anything but. First, he's using pyramid sets, nothing new there. Then he does his last set with a bit of assistance from Leeroy. But did he do any forced reps? Rest pause? Drop sets? To go beyond failure...no he did not. On some exercises he didn't even go to failure so how is that hit? It is not.
No. Yates trained conventionally for the most part. His method is no different than many of the pro's and amateur bodybuilders who have come and gone over the years,
Blood and guts is not a training manual. It is just for entertainment purposes and nothing more. You really think Yates trained like that day in, day out with leeroy shouting at him? It's all done for cameras. It's all for entertainment.
Yates is just another old former champion hyping himself up by telling stories and making out he took very few dosages of roids. Yeah, right.
He has to stay relevant because what else has he got? Nothing. He has no real qualifications or other work experience. His life has been bodybuilding. He's going to keep selling the HIT kool aid until the day he dies and the hit clan are going to keep lapping it up. It's very misleading and very dishonest.
As for hit being good for those that claim they don't have time (they have time but make up excuses) it certainly is time efficient but it will not yield good results at all.
Incorrect. Let's take his old back routine from a 1986 mag. It went like this
Weighted chin ups 3 work sets
Bent rows 3 work sets
Cable rows 3 work sets
Deadlifts 4 sets of 10 8 6 6 pyramiding up the weight.
He did chest and shoulders along with back so his workouts far exceeded that of the 45 minutes that he claims to have done.
Yates did conventional methods to build up. Not one set to failure hit guff.
When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set.
The narrator in the blood and guts vid states that Yates did "a few warm up sets then does one set to failure and beyond" but in the vid he did anything but. First, he's using pyramid sets, nothing new there. Then he does his last set with a bit of assistance from Leeroy. But did he do any forced reps? Rest pause? Drop sets? To go beyond failure...no he did not. On some exercises he didn't even go to failure so how is that hit? It is not.
No. Yates trained conventionally for the most part. His method is no different than many of the pro's and amateur bodybuilders who have come and gone over the years,
Blood and guts is not a training manual. It is just for entertainment purposes and nothing more. You really think Yates trained like that day in, day out with leeroy shouting at him? It's all done for cameras. It's all for entertainment.
Yates is just another old former champion hyping himself up by telling stories and making out he took very few dosages of roids. Yeah, right.
He has to stay relevant because what else has he got? Nothing. He has no real qualifications or other work experience. His life has been bodybuilding. He's going to keep selling the HIT kool aid until the day he dies and the hit clan are going to keep lapping it up. It's very misleading and very dishonest.
As for hit being good for those that claim they don't have time (they have time but make up excuses) it certainly is time efficient but it will not yield good results at all.
Great post Bud
"When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set. "
We've been down this road before - Tell me how you know
exactly what & how much he was taking ??
You've Never even trained at his gym not once.
I get you dislike Dorian & Mike mentzer that's fine
just back up your statement.
"When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set. "
We've been down this road before - Tell me how you know
exactly what & how much he was taking ??
You've Never even trained at his gym not once.
I get you dislike Dorian & Mike mentzer that's fine
just back up your statement.
He trained with one set to failure from 1993 on. Prior to 1993 he used two work sets per exercise. For the Night of the Champions, he used two sets per exercise and around six work sets per body part. His split for the Night of the Champions was chest and arms, leg then back/delts. No, he didn't use forced reps but he went to failure.
I don't understand what is so confusing about warming up before doing that one set to failure? His last warm up set doing inclines prior to his work set was 315lbs then he loaded to the bar to about 410lbs to failure. Should he have walked into the gym then loaded the bar to 410lbs without warming up to prove to you he's doing one set to failure? When I do the leg press, I will do a light weight for 12 reps. I bet I could get 30 reps with it. The second warm up set is heavier, and I get 8 reps. I could get about 20 to failure. Then I load it up and come very close to failure at around 13 reps. I count that as one set to failure.
I have trained with limited sets for many decades. I want to say about 45 years. Having said that I will say with no hesitation that volume has value. A real HIT zealot wouldn't say that. Your contempt for Yates speaks of your volume zealotry.
Oh dear. Another navies Yates fan. His old stack was published in an old issue of Musclar and Development a decade or so ago. If you really think it was his way of training that got him very big then you really are ignorant.
I dislike con men like Yates and methzer.
Are you a child ? or you just like to act like one.
You're always found out when asked to back up your claims.
Are you that stupid , gullible & dumb you believe what printed in muscle mags.
Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s - You've never set foot inside.
Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ? Do you know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?
Let's see your answers Boy.
Oh & I can't stand jumped up wannabe's who know Fuck all about anything
& post stupid crap.
Exactly. For if that were true the (s)hit warriors would be benching 500 pounds for reps by now. They don't realise that progression comes in many forms. Super sets, tri sets, giant sets, higher reps, lower reps, more sets, cluster sets, high frequency etc. They have no idea at all. They read all this methzer, John Little bs and then think they've found the answer. Bodybuilding is more of an art than a science. There is no one way to train and make progress. Even Yates did various training styles to build his body. Pyramiding sets, straight sets, reverse sets, drop sets etc he used a variation of training styles to build up.
Now he goes on about how his version of hit, but not really hit, was the way he made great gains. It wasn't. It was his drug stack.
Again, a triggered Yates fan. You obviously have never read his books or training journals. Nothing low volume or hit about them. Sorry little fella but you have been duped.
Many people say "Dorian trained just like everyone else." I don't think that is quite true, there is a difference between hard training and then trying to really go "HIT." If some longtime trainee with tons of experience was coached by Dorian for a workout, trying to do as Dorian said, they will always say there is pretty large difference. This difference is why they say, "yes it works, but it's too stressful" "I can see doing this periodically." If it was all the same, why all the qualifiers, just lift, who cares.He trained brutally hard.
From what I saw and read I didn't think his training style was misrepresented by himself, it didn't seem like a trick to hide the true volume or whatever
He trained brutally hard.
Where do his career ending injuries factor into this. Was the biceps injury that ended his career the result of HIT training?
Ha ha - you're totally unable to back up any of what you've stated.
Carry on with your hatred, lies & made up nonsense Boy.
FFS - you're so far out of your depth you're incapable of offering any reasonable
Answers.
Well OK. Let's get confirmation from the guy himself, huh? This quote is back from 2014 on his twitter account.
"AdamB
@Adambloor1984
@Dorian_Yates
had you incorporated your HIT style of training at that stage? Or did you use the more traditional volume style?
8:05 pm · 7 Dec 2014
Dorian Yates
@Dorian_Yates
·
7 Dec 2014
@Adambloor1984
traditional"
https://twitter.com/Dorian_Yates/status/541669236985561089
Right from the horse's mouth. Best you do more research in the future, kid.
"Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s -
1,Had you ever set foot inside Dorian's gym in 80's/ 90's ??
2, Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ??
3, Do you personally know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
4, Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?? & No not Bullshit Boresson
4 simple questions to answer ................
Still deflecting I see. Facts are facts, little fella. Yates has admitted so.
These question's to difficult for you??
As for deflection, it is you how can't/ won't answer 4 simple question
:)
No deflection on my part. Just you since you can't accept that Dorian in his own words has admitted that he didn't do hit to build up. You got beat, little guy.
Wrong ,State where I have said that...... I'll wait
Waiting for answers 😊
"Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s -
1,Had you ever set foot inside Dorian's gym in 80's/ 90's ??
2, Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ??
3, Do you personally know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
4, Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?? & No not Bullshit Boresson
4 simple questions to answer ................
Again, I've busted you. I've provided evidenced and you're deflecting. It's not my fault you can't handle the facts. Another Yates fan boy has bitten the dust.
Go away simpleton with your stupidity, go home you're village is wanting its Idiot back.
Busted me Exactly how ? by not answering one single question
Jeez you can't even post a statement to back up your last claim about me.
You've exposed yourself with you're non answering & Idiocy.
Gotcha.
You're done.
Well OK. Let's get confirmation from the guy himself, huh? This quote is back from 2014 on his twitter account.
"AdamB
@Adambloor1984
@Dorian_Yates
had you incorporated your HIT style of training at that stage? Or did you use the more traditional volume style?
8:05 pm · 7 Dec 2014
Dorian Yates
@Dorian_Yates
·
7 Dec 2014
@Adambloor1984
traditional"
Dorian is still the King !!
Dorian is still the King !!
Exactly how ? Explain
"Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s -
1,Had you ever set foot inside Dorian's gym in 80's/ 90's ??
2, Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ??
3, Do you personally know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
4, Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?? & No not Bullshit Boresson
4 simple questions to answer ................
When you find you are in a hole stop digging Fool -
all others on this thread can see you being stupid & obtuse - I've merely asked some simple straight forward questions you cannot answer.
You will be upsetting Rimjob 101 & he will expose you to his wrath ;D :D ;D
of a petulant 3yr old.
He isn't. His time came and went nearly 30 years ago.Did dorian fuck your woman ? why the hate bro?
Did dorian fuck your woman ? why the hate bro?
No hate. Just stating a fact, bro.Bro.. hate is only negative
Bro.. hate is only negative
Facts aren't hate.bro...
Lets be real everyone trains the same, everyone eats the same, everyone takes the same crap, the difference is GeneticsBro...
bro...
Lets be real everyone trains the same, everyone eats the same, everyone takes the same crap, the difference is Geneticswrong, you train like a pussy, you eat shit and you take way more than your body can handle.
Sis..that´s good Bro... :D
wrong, you train like a pussy, you eat shit and you take way more than your body can handle.He takes so much space in your head..FFs bro get over it.
Oh, yes, you do have shit genetics though
He takes so much space in your head..FFs bro get over it.
I´m sitting watching Jay cutler making some food on youtube ..hell i might even order a fucking Pizza :D
Dude this is internet not so serious..
well, thats comforting that your life is worse than minefood not pills bro :D
I need to explain? You really are dense. I've beaten you with facts and you don't like it hence why you're still replying with silly questions that aren't even related to the thread. You have nothing. You're done. 😂
I was at the gym a while back. Heard some guys shouting to each other like leroy. I assumed it was someone doing brutal deadlifts or squats.
Once I got close to them it was a few little twinks in a group doing bicep curls with those small barbells.
I wonder how leroy feels about creating such annoying prats in gyms worldwide.
You've done fuck all except avoid very simple questions
- You're dodging & twisting is as bad as Bianca Bhank's.
The question's are all related to Dorian the Man you so hate.
Yet very clearly you've never been into Dorian's gym / Not spoken to him /
and don't know any pro's he's helped - let alone who was advising
Him.
If you did know any of the answer's you'd say so.
Personally I couldn't care less if you like Dorian or not
or about HIT Training.
However as i do know the answer's i'm questioning your validity
& sources of information - so far we have some Musclemag ::)
and your step uncle's dead great grandfathers pet gold fish
who knew Dorian as credible sources ::)
as none of the question's or answer's are about you or your
personal info & as you Hate Dorian so much I'd of thought
you'd be chomping at the bit to back up what you claim.
Well I guess not.
You can't even back up your own statement about me supposedly being
a HIT traing proponent
Pure waffle. I have you triggered. So funny. 🤣🤣🤣
Actually, Dorian has you triggered
I was at the gym a while back. Heard some guys shouting to each other like leroy. I assumed it was someone doing brutal deadlifts or squats.
Once I got close to them it was a few little twinks in a group doing bicep curls with those small barbells.
I wonder how leroy feels about creating such annoying prats in gyms worldwide.
Is there any truth to this?
I have definitely heard that Mike was a meth user.
But here, Mike claims that Joe Weider had indicated that Arnold was on cocaine at the 1980 Olympia
Pure waffle. I have you triggered. So funny. 🤣🤣🤣
I think I saw a deep-fake Mentzer quote on IG. I don't trust audio nor video anymore. You can't.
Actually, Dorian has you triggered
Wrong yet again boy - go away Men are talkingYou're still triggered. Hilarious. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You know nothing stick to getting your info from musclemags :D ;D :D
Tbh Dorian trained harder than anyone
Yep Dorian & Mike have him so triggered ;DI'm not the one ranting and raving. 😂😂😂😂😂
Is there any truth to this?
I have definitely heard that Mike was a meth user.
But here, Mike claims that Joe Weider had indicated that Arnold was on cocaine at the 1980 Olympia
Damn. The Deep State has already infiltrated vintage bodybuilding? We’re totally fucked.
I'm not the one ranting and raving. 😂😂😂😂😂
Idiot, yes you are - You're Constantly posting about Dorian & Mike you are obsessed, They're all you post about.
Seek mental health - it's not good to have obsessions about other Men.
One thing is for sure, Dozzy Dorian surely loves his Breitlings
Breitling gold Crosswind Special limited edition ( pre-owned ~$20,000. For the sake of comparison, the retail price for a Breitling 18k Gold super chronomat 44 is $48'388 )
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Breitling Emergency ( $15,725)
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Breitling Avenger chronograph 45 ( $6,050 )
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Breitling Colt Chronograph Automatic ( $4,800 )
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Here's an exception though - 18k gold Rolex Daytona ( $42,930)
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Are they High intensity Rolex's or Volume one's ??
Rolex claims high intensity but they really are high volume
Sketchy dudes wear Breitling.
I’m not sketchy. Arvilla, get in here and back me up!
He trained hard but did not out train everyone.Bro...
After Dorian tore his bicep in 1994, Shawn said that Dorian’s career was “over”.Is this conversation real?
———————————————————————————
“Oh no, no, no. I say when it’s over.” -Yates
“Look, Dorian. The bicep is torn. The ride is over.” -Shawn Ray
“That’s, ah, that’s a torn bicep, all right. Looks like a ’57 Chevy I used to have. Life sure has a sick sense of humor, doesn’t it?” -Yates.
“Back off, Dorian, seriously. You got a death wish. You want to ride to glory, fine. You wanna commit suicide, you do it someplace else!” -Shawn Ray
“If you want the ultimate, you’ve got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It’s not tragic to die doing what you love” -Yates
“You act like nothing happened. The only one that thinks that this is a game is you, man. This is real.” -Shawn Ray
“That’s what makes it so interesting. You can do what you want and make up your own rules. Why be a servant to the game when you can be its master?” -Yates
“Dorian, this is your f*ck*ng wake-up call, man.” -Shawn Ray
“I only live to get radical. All this does is raise the stakes of the game.” -Yates
“Okay, too much testosterone around here for me. -Shawn Ray
“I’ll see you in hell, Shawn” -Yates
This is stimulating, but I’m out of here.” -Shawn Ray
Is this conversation real?
After Dorian tore his bicep in 1994, Shawn said that Dorian’s career was “over”.
———————————————————————————
“Oh no, no, no. I say when it’s over.” -Yates
“Look, Dorian. The bicep is torn. The ride is over.” -Shawn Ray
“That’s, ah, that’s a torn bicep, all right. Looks like a ’57 Chevy I used to have. Life sure has a sick sense of humor, doesn’t it?” -Yates.
“Back off, Dorian, seriously. You got a death wish. You want to ride to glory, fine. You wanna commit suicide, you do it someplace else!” -Shawn Ray
“If you want the ultimate, you’ve got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It’s not tragic to die doing what you love” -Yates
“You act like nothing happened. The only one that thinks that this is a game is you, man. This is real.” -Shawn Ray
“That’s what makes it so interesting. You can do what you want and make up your own rules. Why be a servant to the game when you can be its master?” -Yates
“Dorian, this is your f*ck*ng wake-up call, man.” -Shawn Ray
“I only live to get radical. All this does is raise the stakes of the game.” -Yates
“Okay, too much testosterone around here for me. -Shawn Ray
“I’ll see you in hell, Shawn” -Yates
This is stimulating, but I’m out of here.” -Shawn Ray
His training partner wasted a lot of energy screaming like that.
All joking aside, no one trained harder than Dorian
i=0rReHDplODXrtMnT
Another bodybuilder that looks like crap off the drugs. You would think they would diet down and keep training being a smaller version of them self but their hormones are so out of wack. They look worse than than guys that never trained before.
All joking aside, Dorian trained no harder than most Bodybuilders.
Another bodybuilder that looks like crap off the drugs. You would think they would diet down and keep training being a smaller version of them self but their hormones are so out of wack. They look worse than than guys that never trained before.
Dorian had the mass due to being on lots of drugs
Mentzer never had the class
And Arnold was never on cocaine at the 1980 Olympia
what is training hard? everyones definition of "training hard" is different
is screaming loud, making shitting faces training hard?
How can you see what his physique looks like ? He's completely covered up.
Why always with the hate / dislike all the time.
Do other top professional sports men maintain their peak for years & years
after they retire ?
Nope must be that they've stopped taking all them drugs.
Not judging him from that picture alone. Other professional sports guys stop their sport completely upon retirement. Football players don't play after retirement like most athletes in their sport quit playing too. Yes, many go to pot. Bodybuilding and cardio you can do for life but it seems once the drugs end they look worse than guys that don't even exercise. Not all. Why the hate? Yes, I hate guys that use drugs then say look at what I have accomplished. No, it was the drugs. I am in awe what hard work and drugs can do but never for one moment do I forget what I'm looking at. It's a temp drug induced physique.all physiques are temporary
True though, I have been negative lately. I will work on it.
all physiques are temporary
If you work out year round and do your cardio you will go up and down but you will maintain a good physique.
NO. Dorian did NOT out work or work harder than everyone. SMH. He did basically what a lot of guys do but he has that mentally ill dweeb screaming during every rep acting like it is so intense. Makes no sense . But to people who have no clue that does make it APPEAR like its incredibly intense. Arnolds pre contest training would kill most people ( some pro said that. I can't remember who) AND Arnolds workouts were LONGER. So Arnold did harder workouts and for longer periods of time. So NO Yates was NOT the hardest trainer
NO. Dorian did NOT out work or work harder than everyone. SMH. He did basically what a lot of guys do but he has that mentally ill dweeb screaming during every rep acting like it is so intense. Makes no sense . But to people who have no clue that does make it APPEAR like its incredibly intense. Arnolds pre contest training would kill most people ( some pro said that. I can't remember who) AND Arnolds workouts were LONGER. So Arnold did harder workouts and for longer periods of time. So NO Yates was NOT the hardest trainer
Exactly. A Yates workout would be a warm up to Arnold. Blood and Guts the vid was just a marketing gimmick.
Whatever Dorian did or did not do He was Big , Better, Stonger Than anyone on here & 6 x Mr Olympia So when either of you get Bigger, Better, Stronger than He & win more Olympia titles
You can enlighten us all with your superior training methods.
I'd bet everything i have you won't beat him Whatever training methods you use.
Just carry on arguing & being Arse holes.
He was big because of the massive amounts of drugs he was on. Not because of his style of training which was the old pyramid system. Nothing radical. And the thing is, these days, he can't train due to his injuries. So now he does his gay ass yoga. 😂
He was big because of the massive amounts of drugs he was on. Not because of his style of training which was the old pyramid system. Nothing radical. And the thing is, these days, he can't train due to his injuries. So now he does his gay ass yoga. 😂
I have no idea what I'm talking about so I just mindlessly rant and rave like the sour dribbler that I am. 🤤🤤🤤
Where’s Humble Narcissist? 😂Right here! Proven right again.
I'm a complete Khvnt & haven't a fucking clue what I'm talking about .
I'm a loser who is jealous of others & can only slag them off to make feel better.
Exactly. A Yates workout would Fucking kill me.
My Blood and Guts would be all over the gym - as I'm a scrawny little fucking whinny weakling
Exactly. A Yates workout would be a warm up to Arnold. Blood and Guts the vid was just a marketing gimmick.
Im mad at HIT'ters cause Arthur Jones butt-fukked my Tranny Dad...
I haven't a Fucking clue as I'm an Idiot.
Easy to slag off everyone who don't suit my narrative.
Even with the Huge amounts of drugs im on I have anger issues.
Exactly. A Yates workout would be a warm up to Arnold. Blood and Guts the vid was just a marketing gimmick.
Im mad at HIT'ters cause Arthur Jones butt-fukked my Tranny Dad
:o
Exactly. A Yates workout would Fucking kill me.
My Blood and Guts would be all over the gym - as I'm a scrawny little fucking whinny weakling
Yep. Just getting out of bed would kill me . 😆
Arthur promised not to tell anyone . :'(
Yep. Just getting out of bed would kill me . 😆
I'm a complete imbecile & a Queer Leftist Cuckold Faggott.
Arthur promised not to tell anyone . He said it was our secret :'(
I'm a complete imbecile & a Queer Leftist Cuckold Faggott
Yes I'm a complete Idiot & a Leftist Queer Cuckold Faggott 👍
Yes I'm a complete Idiot & a Leftist Queer Cuckold Faggott 👍🤣🤣🤣
He was big because of the massive amounts of drugs he was on. Not because of his style of training which was the old pyramid system. Nothing radical. And the thing is, these days, he can't train due to his injuries. So now he does his gay ass yoga. 😂
You poor thing. 😆
He was big due to his high response to the massive amounts of drugs he was on. Drugs is like 90% of the game
GENETICS is everything when it comes to bodybuilding!! Probably the only "sport" in the world that is completely dependent on genetics to achieve your goals. From the weights to the food to the DRUGS ! The 70s guys had it down right. Off season lift heavier longer rest and they built size. contest time they went lighter ate little to no carbs worked out A LOT . Then after the show they took time off relaxed no drugs ate good etc. They did NOT carry their food with them or weigh out every little thing and do cardio and have "gurus" and coaches . And look at not only how good and healthy they looked but most of them lived to be old and are still living! Dorian had good genetics. Ruined his body by doing what he did but he did achieve his goals. Methead ruined his life because he got all caught up in other drugs and believing he was better than he was. No Dorian did NOT out work everyone. For a guy who always said you leaned all he could before he started training I dont think he did. He ruined his body because he wouldnt take time off AND he pushed heavy weights during contest training because he thought he need that to keep his "size". His geneticsis what gave him that grainy look. NOT his training his diet. Drugs maybe helped because we do NOT know exactrly what or how much he was taking .
GENETICS is everything when it comes to bodybuilding!! Probably the only "sport" in the world that is completely dependent on genetics to achieve your goals. From the weights to the food to the DRUGS ! The 70s guys had it down right. Off season lift heavier longer rest and they built size. contest time they went lighter ate little to no carbs worked out A LOT . Then after the show they took time off relaxed no drugs ate good etc. They did NOT carry their food with them or weigh out every little thing and do cardio and have "gurus" and coaches . And look at not only how good and healthy they looked but most of them lived to be old and are still living! Dorian had good genetics. Ruined his body by doing what he did but he did achieve his goals. Methead ruined his life because he got all caught up in other drugs and believing he was better than he was. No Dorian did NOT out work everyone. For a guy who always said you leaned all he could before he started training I dont think he did. He ruined his body because he wouldnt take time off AND he pushed heavy weights during contest training because he thought he need that to keep his "size". His geneticsis what gave him that grainy look. NOT his training his diet. Drugs maybe helped because we do NOT know exactrly what or how much he was taking .
But have you considered this? He was a Manlet. Couldn't even win an Olympia. 😆
Another possibility is this, lots and lots of drugs snd GH.
What was most impressive to me about Yates was his demeanor.
His physique was impressive of course, particularly prior to the injuries, but his demeanor to me was even more impressive than what his muscles brought to the stage.
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Outworked who, exactly?
He never out worked Schwarzenegger
Schwarzenegger 7x Olympia. 💪
Bigger and better developed than any hit guy. 💪
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Great lower lats 💪
Yates was lazy. He relied on huge dosages of roids to do most of the work for him as he was a super responder to the stack of drugs he was on at the time.
Yates was lazy. He relied on huge dosages of roids to do most of the work for him as he was a super responder to the stack of drugs he was on at the time.
His contest cycle from 86 is in his old log book it was just under 500mg total at the peak which is a lot.
Yes - like you know anything about Dorian other than what you've read in
magazines ::)
Name how many times you trained at temple gym in the 80's
name how many of Dorian's friends & other bodybuilders Dorian
advised you know.
Do You know personally
Kerry kayes
Brian Batcheldor
Stuart Cosgrove
Gary Lister
Ernie Taylor
Just to name a few , let's see how you know & have trained with,
Back up what you Claim to know & not by magazine or interviews
or friends - you personally - put up or Shut the fuck up.
I'm triggered again. I don't like facts about how Yates actually trained. Think I'm gonna cry again.
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Arnold dyeing his hair even then as do many celebrities. So I'm just nitpicking really.
Yet again you personally cannot offer anything to say.
How Dorian trained is of no bother to me.
Only it is very much to you ::) You're the idiot who is constantly
Triggered by Dorian & Mike.
Yet you personally know Fuck all about Dorian, as you're unable to
Name names & times - you cannot back up your claims.
I have named names of some of those that I know & name a good few more.
You offer Fuck all other than - Triggered & alterd original posts
Pathetic child responses. ::)
Did you ever witness Dorian train in person? I met him backstage when he was getting pumped to guest pose. That was 1996. My mind is still blown to this day.
You are trying to repeat my post about how I met him. You are literally using the my wording.
You never met him Phaggit
Yet again I personally cannot offer anything to say.
How Dorian trained is a bother to me.
I'm the idiot who is constantly
Triggered by facts.
Yet I personally know Fuck all about Dorian, as i'm unable to
Name names & times - i cannot back up my claims.
I can't name names of some of those that I don't know & name a good few more who I still don't know.
I offer Fuck all other than getting Triggered & and throw aggressive tantrums. I'm such a retarded child who responds with pathetic childish hissy fits.
You could see dorian striations in the dark, he was next level contest condition to anyone at his best Ronnie included, whilst I no longer can relate to Dorian post bodybuilding and his stoner ramblings, he was the best bodybuilder ever in 1993, he got there as he outworked everyone and used his bodybuilding IQ, whilst many black guys were superior genetically they were inferior at the bodybuilding IQ level and no one accept for Ronnie ever stayed as consistent as him, it was his consistency year in year out year round that set him apart, not dosages or anything else, but feel free to hate on. If it makes you feel better.
A lot of GH made Yates great. Not some "magical" way of training. A lot gets taken out of context when it comes to old man Yates.
Dorian out drugged everyone else. Nothing more.
You could see dorian striations in the dark, he was next level contest condition to anyone at his best Ronnie included, whilst I no longer can relate to Dorian post bodybuilding and his stoner ramblings, he was the best bodybuilder ever in 1993, he got there as he outworked everyone and used his bodybuilding IQ, whilst many black guys were superior genetically they were inferior at the bodybuilding IQ level and no one accept for Ronnie ever stayed as consistent as him, it was his consistency year in year out year round that set him apart, not dosages or anything else, but feel free to hate on. If it makes you feel better.
Borrenson wasn't liked by anyone, his mass dosage and shotgun approach was opposite to Dorians and Kerry Kayes methodical strategic approach, what Borrenson claimed and what was reality were well apart.
You could see dorian striations in the dark, he was next level contest condition to anyone at his best Ronnie included, whilst I no longer can relate to Dorian post bodybuilding and his stoner ramblings, he was the best bodybuilder ever in 1993, he got there as he outworked everyone and used his bodybuilding IQ, whilst many black guys were superior genetically they were inferior at the bodybuilding IQ level and no one accept for Ronnie ever stayed as consistent as him, it was his consistency year in year out year round that set him apart, not dosages or anything else, but feel free to hate on. If it makes you feel better.