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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
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Is Lee LABRADA better than Dorian already ??
Lee Labrada is like 168 cm.
Wasn't Dorian around 180 cm in his prime?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=1166402;image)
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=117385)
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Would Hunter Labrada be able to beat: Levrone, Wheeler, Nasser, Dillett, Coleman, Priest, Ray, Baker, Clairmonte, Taylor, and Francois?
No.
Dorian beat that entire list year in, and year out.
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I'm not a big fan of Dorian's look, but Dorian is beating Hunter Labrada there by a mile. Better conditioning, better triceps, a better overall look. It's not even close.
And if you put them side by side, Dorian would clearly be the much larger man. He is 5'10" whereas Hunter Labrada is probably around 5'6".
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Hunter would be invisible standing on stage next to a prime Dorian.
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Who the hell is Hunter LaBrada ?
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Who the hell is Hunter LaBrada ?
He's most famous for his dad.
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Hunter would be invisible standing on stage next to a prime Dorian.
One of the greatest of all time versus a guy with a Semi-famous daddy.
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The close up angle of that picture makes Hunter look as big as Dorian and he's nowhere close.
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Hunter would be invisible standing on stage next to a prime Dorian.
I agree.
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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
Dorians sunken face/cheek bones, while the other moron has a fat fuck face like majority of modern bbers
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Seriously don’t compare a kid riding on dad’s coat tails to Dorian.
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Seriously don’t compare a kid riding on dad’s coat tails to Dorian.
Hoping for something doesn’t mean it is going to happen.
Like Howard waking up every morning hoping his wife won’t look like Basile that day.
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One things for sure, they re both amazing warriors
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OP are you fucking serious?
Is that "comparison " pic a joke?
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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
You're kidding, nay?
Even if that comparison was remotely to scale and the same rez, what about Curious George, Franco and Jay?
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(https://generationiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Hunter-Labrada-Unveils-Epic-Physique-9-Days-Out-From-Tampa-Pro.jpg)
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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
Dickerson
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Not even close.Hunter couldn’t hold Yates ball bag.
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Dorian’s shadow would beat Hunter.
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Hunters is getting crushed by Dorian In that shot and even if he wasn’t, once they turned around it would be over.
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I'm not a big fan of Dorian's look, but Dorian is beating Hunter Labrada there by a mile. Better conditioning, better triceps, a better overall look. It's not even close.
And if you put them side by side, Dorian would clearly be the much larger man. He is 5'10" whereas Hunter Labrada is probably around 5'6".
Hunter is 5'9 but he is far from beating Dorian.
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Lot of bbers look good standing by themselves ...
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No doubt in my mind this kid will win the Olympia sooner than later
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Dorian would also never wear a hat 24 7 trying to hide his balding head aka Craig golias. Your bald. Act like a man.
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As soon as a pro has a noticeable torn pec, they are screwed. Ask Toney Freeman. Hunter might looked good in some poses, but the torn pec is too obvious.
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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
No. Look at the details in Dorian's calves! Dorian owns that pose. Hunter looks impressive but Dorian is numero uno.
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Just an insane premise. He couldn't stand next to Yates on stage.
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The "look" of Hunter's muscle is far inferior. Some immediately know what I mean and some don't and won't ever. Hunter's muscle looks like slapped on play doh, fake and plastic looking.
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The "look" of Hunter's muscle is far inferior. Some immediately know what I mean and some don't and won't ever. Hunter's muscle looks like slapped on play doh, fake and plastic looking.
lol And Dorains? :D
For me this comparison illustrates how much BB has progressed in the past 2 decades. A modern 3rd tier pro is even superior to a "dominant" Mr. Olympia from the 90s. Hardly any sport has progressed as much as BB.
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lol And Dorains? :D
For me this comparison illustrates how much BB has progressed in the past 2 decades. A modern 3rd tier pro is even superior to a "dominant" Mr. Olympia from the 90s. Hardly any sport has progressed as much as BB.
I don't mean Hunter's muscle is in fact any more fake than Dorian's, what I'm saying is that Dorian projects a certain something that most recognize as superior. It's beyond sheer size and measurements. Dorian looked like granite and his skin got real thin. It's genetic. Moreover, Dorian had pleasing proportions, nice leg to torso proportions, more ideal height compared to Hunter and so on. All genetically determined.
Dorian beat bigger guys such as Nasser. Why? It's beyond mathematical formulas.
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OP is a retard.
/thread
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As soon as a pro has a noticeable torn pec, they are screwed. Ask Toney Freeman. Hunter might looked good in some poses, but the torn pec is too obvious.
This, although Chris Dickerson won with almost every body part detached to some degree..
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The "look" of Hunter's muscle is far inferior. Some immediately know what I mean and some don't and won't ever. Hunter's muscle looks like slapped on play doh, fake and plastic looking.
There's a term for that: all drugs. I'm not saying Hunter doesn't work hard, but I'll bet he doesn't put in the kind of effort Dorian did.
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Yates is great and not just because he's the political opposite of the self-absorbed, materialistic, social-climbing, ideology-for-hire Schwarzenegger.
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As soon as a pro has a noticeable torn pec, they are screwed. Ask Toney Freeman. Hunter might looked good in some poses, but the torn pec is too obvious.
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(https://i.redd.it/xbpazgv076t41.jpg)
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There's a term for that: all drugs. I'm not saying Hunter doesn't work hard, but I'll bet he doesn't put in the kind of effort Dorian did.
TRUE,,but he grew bigtime over past few yrs he's 252 lbs his father'again its relative to lee's genetics compared to hunters'but he has to be taking a lot,his dad did same drugs but dosent seem to have tip the scales like jr,,,
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TRUE,,but he grew bigtime over past few yrs he's 252 lbs his father'again its relative to lee's genetics compared to hunters'but he has to be taking a lot,his dad did same drugs but dosent seem to have tip the scales like jr,,,
Must be awesome to share the exact same passion with your dad. Probably the best premise for a healthy, intact family life. :)
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TRUE,,but he grew bigtime over past few yrs he's 252 lbs his father'again its relative to lee's genetics compared to hunters'but he has to be taking a lot,his dad did same drugs but dosent seem to have tip the scales like jr,,,
He's almost as tall as his dad kneeling down. Did he have a tall momma?
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He's almost as tall as his dad kneeling down. Did he have a tall momma?
yes i think 5'9 to 5'10
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I'm not a big fan of Dorian's look, but Dorian is beating Hunter Labrada there by a mile. Better conditioning, better triceps, a better overall look. It's not even close.
And if you put them side by side, Dorian would clearly be the much larger man. He is 5'10" whereas Hunter Labrada is probably around 5'6".
I think I'm going to start pointing out to Getbiggers when comments hurt their credibility. Such is the case with your comment there.
The photo - as Humble Narcissist said in a comment following yours - is angled in a way that makes Dorian and Hunter look the same size. And in that photo, the two bodybuilders are virtually indistinguishable.
You could have said "There must be something up with that photo - Dorian and Hunter look remarkably close there, but that simply isn't the case in real life. Maybe that's just a good pose for Hunter."
But the way you describe it is that Dorian is leaps and bounds ahead of Hunter in THAT SHOT [that comparison using the photos selected], and that simply isn't the case. They look basically the same there. I would say Hunter looks better actually.
Why? Because the photo is likely zoomed in on, making both bodybuilders look the same overall size, when that isn't the case! Humble said it was the angle, and it could be that too, but it seems to me that the photos were just adjusted to look closer than they actually are.
While you are correct that Hunter is not at Dorian's level, that is NOT apparent in this photo, and for you to say that, you are either lying, or don't know how to judge bodybuilding photos.
Although Dorian is 5'10.5" and Hunter is 5'9.5", so that photo does show that Hunter has improved drastically, to be sure. But I can't fathom him being close to Dorian's level yet, unless he went to Kuwait and became some Kuwaiti Oil Schmoe's science project, as was the case with Rami [someone told me a Saudi Oil Schmoe has taken him on as his own personal science project].
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He's almost as tall as his dad kneeling down. Did he have a tall momma?
LOL ;D
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But I can't fathom him being close to Dorian's level yet, unless he went to Kuwait and became some Kuwaiti Oil Schmoe's science project, as was the case with Rami [someone told me a Saudi Oil Schmoe has taken him on as his own personal science project].
There's only so much unlimited free drugs and being catered to in every way can do. They can't change genetics.
Rami has been coached by Chad Nicholls for a while now.
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While you are correct that Hunter is not at Dorian's level, that is NOT apparent in this photo, and for you to say that, you are either lying, or don't know how to judge bodybuilding photos.
Here's why I disagree:
(https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ)
https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ
- Dorian's arm is longer.
- Dorian's arm is nevertheless more muscular, substantially thicker. It's called the "Side Tricep," and he's absolutely owning Labrada Jr. on tricep size and shape.
- Dorian has better conditioning overall.
- Dorian has a more aesthetic waistline.
- Dorian has larger and substantially more defined calves.
- Dorian's legs are longer and his physique is overall more balanced. Labrada has the proportions of a short man.
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There's a term for that: all drugs. I'm not saying Hunter doesn't work hard, but I'll bet he doesn't put in the kind of effort Dorian did.
Go and watch Dorians Blood and Guts
His chest session is about three sets incline bench one working set of 6 reps no forced
couple sets hammer strength press
Couple sets dumbells and a set of cable crossovers
Now go watch Milos put someone through a giant set and tell me who works harder..
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Go and watch Dorians Blood and Guts
His chest session is about three sets incline bench one working set of 6 reps no forced
couple sets hammer strength press
Couple sets dumbells and a set of cable crossovers
Now go watch Milos put someone through a giant set and tell me who works harder..
YEAH...in a perfect world which would you prefer..
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YEAH...in a perfect world which would you prefer..
It just puts Dorians claims of "no one worked harder than me" into perspective, Dorian probably trained just hard enough, he got it right, but to claim no one outworked him just isn't true
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It just puts Dorians claims of "no one worked harder than me" into perspective, Dorian probably trained just hard enough, he got it right, but to claim no one outworked him just isn't true
Ok,,,sold magazines I guess
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yes i think 5'9 to 5'10
He’s around 5’7 1/2 to 5’8
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Hunter is taller than his Dad:
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(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/hunterlabrada-123927540-722142388512205-5025926904590687189-n-750x938.jpg)
(https://www.ambal.ru/52277511642.jpg)
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Hunter is taller than his Dad:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/a3571c0fac5a723605ba0a9b17936f05/4e40efab41ca3f84-63/s500x750/cac0a208defe551b269f0dbe4c77ef9c681ce137.jpg)
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/hunterlabrada-123927540-722142388512205-5025926904590687189-n-750x938.jpg)
(https://www.ambal.ru/52277511642.jpg)
Lee is very short, like 5’3 these days
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It just puts Dorians claims of "no one worked harder than me" into perspective, Dorian probably trained just hard enough, he got it right, but to claim no one outworked him just isn't true
Day in, day out, year after year, Dorian probably was NOT outworked or equaled by anyone. It's probably safer to say that he was the most disciplined, tunnel visioned pro bodybuilder of all time. For 12 weeks out of a year, there are guys that work just as hard, maybe harder. But nobody lived it like Dorian did around the clock for over a decade. Hunter Labrada will eventually make a run at the winners circle ie The Mr. Olympia. As long as he doesn't over do things and gets peak week down pat. OP needs to hold off on any comparisons to the Great Dorian Yates. For now.
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His mom must be so joyful to witness her son mashing his organs and health with all the drugs and dieting tomfoolery.
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Dorian hast to be the most overrated Mr. O of all time
One of the most stupid posts ever made on here the only thing hunter can do is lick dorians asshole
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I don't mean Hunter's muscle is in fact any more fake than Dorian's, what I'm saying is that Dorian projects a certain something that most recognize as superior. It's beyond sheer size and measurements. Dorian looked like granite and his skin got real thin. It's genetic. Moreover, Dorian had pleasing proportions, nice leg to torso proportions, more ideal height compared to Hunter and so on. All genetically determined.
Dorian beat bigger guys such as Nasser. Why? It's beyond mathematical formulas.
I saw Dorian up close in 1995. He looked like an animal. Very wide. He weighed 295 at the time. He was lean at this weight. It was his leanness that made him stand out.
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I saw Dorian up close in 1995. He looked like an animal. Very wide. He weighed 295 at the time. He was lean at this weight. It was his leanness that made him stand out.
royalty would you agree that anyone on here, that think hunter is in the same league as dorian is basically a dumb asshole with virtually no knowledge of great bodybuilders from average bodybuilders.
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I saw Dorian up close in 1995. He looked like an animal. Very wide. He weighed 295 at the time. He was lean at this weight. It was his leanness that made him stand out.
I was backstage with him in in May of 1996. He was guest posing at the Jr. Michigan Championship. He said he was 310lbs that day. He had abs. One truly has to see him up close to grasp his true greatness. Later that year I saw Levrone, Dillett and Francois guest post at different contests in Michigan. They actually left me feeling disappointed after seeing Dorian.
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I was backstage with him in in May of 1996. He was guest posing at the Jr. Michigan Championship. He said he was 310lbs that day. He had abs. One truly has to see him up close to grasp his true greatness. Later that year I saw Levrone, Dillett and Francois guest post at different contests in Michigan. They actually left me feeling disappointed after seeing Dorian.
Abraham why do some of these idiots on here think hunter is even in the same league as Dorian
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I was backstage with him in in May of 1996. He was guest posing at the Jr. Michigan Championship. He said he was 310lbs that day. He had abs. One truly has to see him up close to grasp his true greatness. Later that year I saw Levrone, Dillett and Francois guest post at different contests in Michigan. They actually left me feeling disappointed after seeing Dorian.
I saw him guest pose that year at 300+.
He looked like a cartoon.
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royalty would you agree that anyone on here, that think hunter is in the same league as dorian is basically a dumb asshole with virtually no knowledge of great bodybuilders from average bodybuilders.
Yes! Hunter is not in Dorian’s league in any way, shape, or form.
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Yes! Hunter is not in Dorian’s league in any way, shape, or form.
Exactly he hasn’t even placed in a second tier show I bet if his daddy wasn’t a sponsor he would
Place lower
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I think Hunter will be a legit Olympia threat in the years to come. He has no weaknesses other than nailing his conditioning. No reason for the masses to shit on him just because the OP started a retarded thread.
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I think Hunter will be a legit Olympia threat in the years to come. He has no weaknesses other than nailing his conditioning. No reason for the masses to shit on him just because the OP started a retarded thread.
Hunter has had a tough life all he has had to do is inject needles in his butt play video games
Hype shitty supplements that don’t work while his daddy pays his bills he is truly an inspiration
For all getbiggers !
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I saw Dorian up close in 1995. He looked like an animal. Very wide. He weighed 295 at the time. He was lean at this weight. It was his leanness that made him stand out.
He had a good contact in Pfizer’s plant in Cork, Ireland. So I hear.
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I think Hunter will be a legit Olympia threat in the years to come. He has no weaknesses other than nailing his conditioning. No reason for the masses to shit on him just because the OP started a retarded thread.
he has a torn pec already he is toast.
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Hunter Arnold had a tough life all he had to do is inject needles in his butt play video gamessmoke weed, sleep and fuck Betty Weider.
Hype shitty supplements that don’t work while his daddyUncle Schmoe Weider pays his bills he is truly an inspiration
For all getbiggers !
See how that works?
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Here's why I disagree:
(https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ)
https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ
- Dorian's arm is longer.
- Dorian's arm is nevertheless more muscular, substantially thicker. It's called the "Side Tricep," and he's absolutely owning Labrada Jr. on tricep size and shape.
- Dorian has better conditioning overall.
- Dorian has a more aesthetic waistline.
- Dorian has larger and substantially more defined calves.
- Dorian's legs are longer and his physique is overall more balanced. Labrada has the proportions of a short man.
The one point that I'll concede to you - and one that stood out to me too when I inspected the photo more closely - is that Dorian's arms are longer, and with similar thickness per inch of his arm length, Dorian clearly wins that pose for what it is, which is the side triceps shot.
Dorian's arms are just as thick, if not slightly more thick [again, judging from THAT photo comparison, which was obviously selected to favour Hunter], and Dorian's arms are longer, making his increased thickness compared to Hunter even more impressive.
That being said, to your other points, I'm not so sure. Yes, Dorian's calves are better [much bigger] than Hunter's calves, but is that really apparent in that photo comparison? I would say no - they look roughly the same size. I would say that Dorian's calves look bigger in that shot, but not by much. Again, we are comparing a photo of Dorian to a zoomed in photo of Hunter that is height-adjusted to make Hunter look bigger and compare more favourably to Dorian when he actually wouldn't, had both bodybuilders compared that pose on the same day [possible in the future if either Marty McFly or Marty Champions invents a time machine].
I agree with your other comments in that Dorian IS better than Hunter in the areas you specified - I'm merely saying that, aside from the arms/triceps shot in particular, that Dorian's advantages over Hunter are really not that apparent in that photo comparison, and again, that is because the comparison was created to make Hunter compare favourably to Dorian.
So to be clear - I'm agreeing with you that Dorian is better, and that his arms/triceps in that shot are better [longer with just as much thickness per inch, if not more thickness] than Hunter's, but everything else is pretty close, due to the manipulated nature of that photo comparison.
No knock on your views - I'm just saying that in this manipulated photo comparison, Hunter is pretty close to Dorian. If they actually posed side by side on those same days [through time travel, cloning, or magic], you would see that Dorian is very much ahead of Hunter.
And I'm not knocking Hunter either - he is an excellent bodybuilder. He has the symmetry genetics of his father, but is 5'9.5", which is a great height for bodybuilding. I seem to recall he injured his pec, and I don't know if that recovered, but if he stays injury-free, I think he can do quite well in bodybuilding. Maybe not be at Dorian's level of Olympia wins, or win any Olympia contests at all, but I think he can make it to the Olympia stage, and be a contender. He's a good, young bodybuilder with a bright future, providing that he doesn't get hurt, or overdo the gear and damage his organs.
Is he at Dorian's level? No. Does that photo comparison look pretty darn close between the two of them in that pose? IMO, yes. Although I do acknowledge that that photo comparison was made to advantage Hunter.
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Here's why I disagree:
(https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ)
https://imgur.com/l71hsUZ
- Dorian's arm is longer.
- Dorian's arm is nevertheless more muscular, substantially thicker. It's called the "Side Tricep," and he's absolutely owning Labrada Jr. on tricep size and shape.
- Dorian has better conditioning overall.
- Dorian has a more aesthetic waistline.
- Dorian has larger and substantially more defined calves.
- Dorian's legs are longer and his physique is overall more balanced. Labrada has the proportions of a short man.
I just checked out the comparison you made [I attached your photo below]. You really make it clear how much better Dorian's calves are than Hunter's - even though that is of course the case, the photo was manipulated in a way to make it look less pronounced than it actually is - and as you have shown in your comparison, Dorian's calves are STILL much larger than Hunter's calves.
To be fair, I was looking at their left calves, and didn't notice the sheer size advantage Dorian has in calves until I noticed his right calve, highlighted in the comparison you made.
I previously conceded your point about Dorian having longer arms than Hunter, and better/bigger triceps, and you did a job job highlighting that in your comparison photo.
What's funny is that even using this example - a photo obviously made to make Hunter look as good as possible, and a shot of Dorian from...I'm guessing somewhere between 1995-1997, and Dorian still looks better, lol!!
No dis' whatsoever to Hunter there - it just goes to show how many lightyears ahead Dorian was than the competition. While I always felt that Dorian had a thick waist, he was excellent everywhere else. I would say 1993 was his best year, because by 1995, he was already missing a biceps. Otherwise, you could make a good case for 1995 being his best year.
I still say that Ronnie Coleman in 2003 would beat any bodybuilding in any area of bodybuilding, and was literally the best stage physique ever seen by a bodybuilding in the history of the industry, but Dorian was also well ahead of his time, and his physique today could easily be a top contender in the 2020's world of bodybuilding [not yet begun, as far as the Olympia goes - but basically what I mean is: Dorian in 1993 could be competitive this year in 2020, and probably in 2023 for that matter, time will tell, which goes to show just how far ahead of his time Dorian was than the competition].
I wonder if Lee Haney, in his last Mr. Olympia win in 1991, when his wife Shirley insisted that he retire for health reasons at the ripe old age of 32, could be competitive in today's area. Maybe not to the point of winning the Mr. Olympia...but I suspect a 1991 version of Lee Haney could make the Mr. Olympia stage.
Dorian would almost for sure have been Mr. Olympia had he competed last year. Well...if the 1996 version of him was transported into the future...THAT version of Dorian [or any others from around that time period - while he was winning his Sandows] could have won in 2019, as well as 2018.
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The one point that I'll concede to you - and one that stood out to me too when I inspected the photo more closely - is that Dorian's arms are longer, and with similar thickness per inch of his arm length, Dorian clearly wins that pose for what it is, which is the side triceps shot.
Dorian's arms are just as thick, if not slightly more thick [again, judging from THAT photo comparison, which was obviously selected to favour Hunter], and Dorian's arms are longer, making his increased thickness compared to Hunter even more impressive.
That being said, to your other points, I'm not so sure. Yes, Dorian's calves are better [much bigger] than Hunter's calves, but is that really apparent in that photo comparison? I would say no - they look roughly the same size. I would say that Dorian's calves look bigger in that shot, but not by much. Again, we are comparing a photo of Dorian to a zoomed in photo of Hunter that is height-adjusted to make Hunter look bigger and compare more favourably to Dorian when he actually wouldn't, had both bodybuilders compared that pose on the same day [possible in the future if either Marty McFly or Marty Champions invents a time machine].
I agree with your other comments in that Dorian IS better than Hunter in the areas you specified - I'm merely saying that, aside from the arms/triceps shot in particular, that Dorian's advantages over Hunter are really not that apparent in that photo comparison, and again, that is because the comparison was created to make Hunter compare favourably to Dorian.
So to be clear - I'm agreeing with you that Dorian is better, and that his arms/triceps in that shot are better [longer with just as much thickness per inch, if not more thickness] than Hunter's, but everything else is pretty close, due to the manipulated nature of that photo comparison.
No knock on your views - I'm just saying that in this manipulated photo comparison, Hunter is pretty close to Dorian. If they actually posed side by side on those same days [through time travel, cloning, or magic], you would see that Dorian is very much ahead of Hunter.
And I'm not knocking Hunter either - he is an excellent bodybuilder. He has the symmetry genetics of his father, but is 5'9.5", which is a great height for bodybuilding. I seem to recall he injured his pec, and I don't know if that recovered, but if he stays injury-free, I think he can do quite well in bodybuilding. Maybe not be at Dorian's level of Olympia wins, or win any Olympia contests at all, but I think he can make it to the Olympia stage, and be a contender. He's a good, young bodybuilder with a bright future, providing that he doesn't get hurt, or overdo the gear and damage his organs.
Is he at Dorian's level? No. Does that photo comparison look pretty darn close between the two of them in that pose? IMO, yes. Although I do acknowledge that that photo comparison was made to advantage Hunter.
And what happens to Labrada Junior when they turn around and do back poses?
If Hunter was competing in the late 80’s or early 90’s he couldn’t win Nationals at this point.
You clowns are actually comparing Yates to the latest internet hyped BB? Standing side by side on stage Dorian would make Labrada look like a middleweight.
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Hunter is taller than his Dad:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/a3571c0fac5a723605ba0a9b17936f05/4e40efab41ca3f84-63/s500x750/cac0a208defe551b269f0dbe4c77ef9c681ce137.jpg)
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/hunterlabrada-123927540-722142388512205-5025926904590687189-n-750x938.jpg)
(https://www.ambal.ru/52277511642.jpg)
My Nan is taller than his Dad.
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I still say that Ronnie Coleman in 2003 would beat any bodybuilding in any area of bodybuilding, and was literally the best stage physique ever seen by a bodybuilding in the history of the industry, but Dorian was also well ahead of his time, and his physique today could easily be a top contender in the 2020's world of bodybuilding [not yet begun, as far as the Olympia goes - but basically what I mean is: Dorian in 1993 could be competitive this year in 2020, and probably in 2023 for that matter, time will tell, which goes to show just how far ahead of his time Dorian was than the competition].
Neither of them could hold a candle next to the 2010 version of Phil, hate to break it to you
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Go and watch Dorians Blood and Guts
His chest session is about three sets incline bench one working set of 6 reps no forced
couple sets hammer strength press
Couple sets dumbells and a set of cable crossovers
Now go watch Milos put someone through a giant set and tell me who works harder..
Ive done giant sets compound sets trisets descending sets and you get sore you dont get bigger or stronger.
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Neither of them could hold a candle next to the 2010 version of Phil, hate to break it to you
Yeah ok, Phil lost that show. Your grip on reality is in question.
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Neither of them could hold a candle next to the 2010 version of Phil, hate to break it to you
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Ive done giant sets compound sets trisets descending sets and you get sore you dont get bigger or stronger.
muscles only know intensity, thats all they respond to, they have no idea what exercises you are doing, the argument you may be making is that giant sets and the like actually overtrain you and hinder growth, as I said earlier maybe Dorian had it just right..
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And what happens to Labrada Junior when they turn around and do back poses?
If Hunter was competing in the late 80’s or early 90’s he couldn’t win Nationals at this point.
You clowns are actually comparing Yates to the latest internet hyped BB? Standing side by side on stage Dorian would make Labrada look like a middleweight.
You're comparing Dorian in his actual form to Hunter in his actual form, because you didn't read my post accurately, or didn't read it at all.
I'm saying that the photo was manipulated so that Hunter looks more like Dorian. And he does - they both look very close in the photo comparison in the OP, because Hunter is resized to be be the same height and shape as Dorian.
Have you considered reading lessons, Walter? Maybe you should learn how to read?
You phucking phaggot?
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"Hunter's dad took the same drugs as him..."
No.
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You're comparing Dorian in his actual form to Hunter in his actual form, because you didn't read my post accurately, or didn't read it at all.
I'm saying that the photo was manipulated so that Hunter looks more like Dorian. And he does - they both look very close in the photo comparison in the OP, because Hunter is resized to be be the same height and shape as Dorian.
Have you considered reading lessons, Walter? Maybe you should learn how to read?
You phucking phaggot?
Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.
Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.
Skinny autistic bitchboi.
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Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.
Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.
Skinny autistic bitchboi.
He's barred from LHU campus, right? Great post Wally.
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He's barred from LHU campus, right? Great post Wally.
Yeah, he makes a big Aspy deal out of walking down to campus and sticking his toe over the property line and then daring the University to try to sue him.
He doesn’t grasp that he is nothing more than a autistic closet homo trespasser in the eyes of the University.
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Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.
Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.
Skinny autistic bitchboi.
;D :D
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Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.
Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.
Skinny autistic bitchboi.
No way Matt is gay. He is Canadian.
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The close up angle of that picture makes Hunter look as big as Dorian and he's nowhere close.
^ TRUTH
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It just puts Dorians claims of "no one worked harder than me" into perspective, Dorian probably trained just hard enough, he got it right, but to claim no one outworked him just isn't true
big time agreed ^^ he trained but others trained just as hard etc etc
the dungeon also gives it the impression the training was extra hard :)
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Lee is very short, like 5’3 these days
lol close. 5'5 saw Lee last year, his son is about 5'9
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No way Matt is gay. He is Canadian.
More redundant than putting on your turn signal while you sit in the turning lane.
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big time agreed ^^ he trained but others trained just as hard etc etc
the dungeon also gives it the impression the training was extra hard :)
Great point mike mentzer said Dorian didn’t train. In true h.i.t style from that time period although he
Didn’t train as heavy Shawn ray trained pretty hard levanal pressing wise especially in chest trained
Pretty hard Cormier was pretty strong
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Yates in his video from 1996 trains both strict and heavy.
Most guys do one, but not both.
Hunter had gained so much muscle so fast because, besides the calories and drugs, he does the same thing.
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lol close. 5'5 saw Lee last year, his son is about 5'9
I would give him 5’4 max and hunter 5’8, being generous ;D
Matt C approved
I saw both of them as well when they came down to destination to train, hunters “guru” Andrew is in the Dallas area
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Yeah, he makes a big Aspy deal out of walking down to campus and sticking his toe over the property line and then daring the University to try to sue him.
He doesn’t grasp that he is nothing more than a autistic closet homo trespasser in the eyes of the University.
Is this serious? Aware me please
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How is Dorian overrated?? He is like the best recent white bodybuilder ever, and Hunter looks great but that pec tear ruins his physique
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More redundant than putting on your turn signal while you sit in the turning lane.
Hah! I did that today while shaking my head looking at the guy next to me wearing a mask driving alone in his car with all the windows rolled up.
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big time agreed ^^ he trained but others trained just as hard etc etc
the dungeon also gives it the impression the training was extra hard :)
Some even harder. Did you see the video of Milos putting some poor guy through a leg routine? I always say that people don't train hard/intensely enough but I think there is a point where you can overdo it. Or, maybe, it's not necessary to really try to kill yourself. In others, that guy's workout would have been just as productive, maybe more so because of less systemic damage/exhaustion so better recovery, if he wasn't pushed so hard. I guarantee you that guy isn't doing that kind of workout regularly for any length of time.
Another thing that made Dorian seem like he was training so hard was all the grunting and groaning and his partner yelling and screaming.
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I think Dorian made a large emotional investment into each workout and each set. That's why he felt he trained harder than anyone else. If you just look at his workout from the outside it doesn't look like anything special.
Those that love "hard training" know that there's a difference between going into the gym with a laid back attitude and doing sets to failure and beyond vs. thinking of a certain set for a week and going in all hyped up and desperate to hit a PR. The second can really drain you whereas the first might look like more work.
Another way to illustrate this is by way of powerlifting competitions. It's a maximum of 9 single lifts. Not a ton of work, not many seconds of effort, but the emotional investment can be huge, and it might take months to recover from fully.
If you look at Milos' giant sets, they are very laid back in a way, simply because you can't, by necessity, go 100% every inch of every movement. So the movements get a little sloppy and there is little grinding lifts and hard failure points, and so on. If you did giant sets like Dorian did his sets no one would survive it. Maybe one workout but not as a constant way of training.
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I think Dorian made a large emotional investment into each workout and each set. That's why he felt he trained harder than anyone else. If you just look at his workout from the outside it doesn't look like anything special.
Those that love "hard training" know that there's a difference between going into the gym with a laid back attitude and doing sets to failure and beyond vs. thinking of a certain set for a week and going in all hyped up and desperate to hit a PR. The second can really drain you whereas the first might look like more work.
Another way to illustrate this is by way of powerlifting competitions. It's a maximum of 9 single lifts. Not a ton of work, not many seconds of effort, but the emotional investment can be huge, and it might take months to recover from fully.
Powerlifting is brutal, just try deadlifting 800 lbs
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Some even harder. Did you see the video of Milos putting some poor guy through a leg routine? I always say that people don't train hard/intensely enough but I think there is a point where you can overdo it. Or, maybe, it's not necessary to really try to kill yourself. In others, that guy's workout would have been just as productive, maybe more so because of less systemic damage/exhaustion so better recovery, if he wasn't pushed so hard. I guarantee you that guy isn't doing that kind of workout regularly for any length of time.
Another thing that made Dorian seem like he was training so hard was all the grunting and groaning and his partner yelling and screaming.
It's funny, but at my age (43) I realize that training at 100% full high intensity is not only counterproductive in the long run, but it is downright stupid, since you can easily throw your body into overtraining, especially if you are natty, like me. I feel like 90-95% of your intensity is best, to make more gains, for years I would go to gym with the idea of ''killing myself'' or ''training harder than anyone'' or ''being the loudest in the gym''....I'm not saying be a pussy and be a lazy ass in the gym who never makes any gains but training too hard is downright counterproductive and stupid in the long run
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Powerlifting is brutal, just try deadlifting 800 lbs
It's just maybe 4 seconds of max effort but it's enough to really drain you. So absolute max lifts can't really be done even once weekly for long. Ed Coan has said you only have few max lifts in your whole career so save them for the platform. I have done circa max deads weekly but it only works when they aren't real grinders.
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It's funny, but at my age (43) I realize that training at 100% full high intensity is not only counterproductive in the long run, but it is downright stupid, since you can easily throw your body into overtraining, especially if you are natty, like me. I feel like 90-95% of your intensity is best, to make more gains, for years I would go to gym with the idea of ''killing myself'' or ''training harder than anyone'' or ''being the loudest in the gym''....I'm not saying be a pussy and be a lazy ass in the gym who never makes any gains but training too hard is downright counterproductive and stupid in the long run
For whatever reason, natties can actually train harder and recover/improve. I've seen it many times, nattie goes on gear and they instinctively lower volume or frequency. Maybe it's because of something the gear does to your nervous system making you able to tap into your reserves more. Who knows, but that's been my observation :D
I've seen nattie elite powerlifters do hard deadlift variations 3 times a week but never saw it with juicers.
If there's someone here who powerlifted or did strongman or whatever who went from nattie to enhanced I'd be curious as to how programming changed. Did volume and intensity or frequency increase or decrease?
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It's just maybe 4 seconds of max effort but it's enough to really drain you. So absolute max lifts can't really be done even once weekly for long. Ed Coan has said you only have few max lifts in your whole career so save them for the platform. I have done circa max deads weekly but it only works when they aren't real grinders.
I used to be a powerlifter myself, I only competed once though, but now I'm 100% bodybuilder again. I have the utmost respect for the sport of powerlfting. However, you know what you can lift and how strong you are, it's all vanity but then again everything is vanity. When I could bench the most ever I din't look bad but I definitely look better now. I fell in love with bodybuilding again, we are creating a sculpture, with vacuum pose and great proportions
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For whatever reason, natties can actually train harder and recover/improve. I've seen it many times, nattie goes on gear and they instinctively lower volume or frequency. Maybe it's because of something the gear does to your nervous system making you able to tap into your reserves more. Who knows, but that's been my observation :D
I've seen nattie elite powerlifters do hard deadlift variations 3 times a week but never saw it with juicers.
Juicers can gain strength extremely fast. The whole thing disgusts me. I'm glad I remained natty for life
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I used to be a powerlifter myself, I only competed once though, but now I'm 100% bodybuilder again. I have the utmost respect for the sport of powerlfting. However, you know what you can lift and how strong you are, it's all vanity but then again everything is vanity. When I could bench the most ever I din't look bad but I definitely look better now. I fell in love with bodybuilding again, we are creating a sculpture, with vacuum pose and great proportions
I only powerlift as a gym hobby. I'd like to have competed but we've only had the IPF here and I refuse to go in there and pretend to be a lifetime natural :D
If you haven't seen him, check out this elite powerlifter who did a couple of bb shows. He's made the craziest muscular gains I ever saw.
https://instagram.com/phdeadlift?igshid=x9bn4mcc30xr
Juicers can gain strength extremely fast. The whole thing disgusts me. I'm glad I remained natty for life
Maybe it was the right choise for you but training on steroids can be an extremely satisfying, though addicting, experience. Once you train with hormones it's almost impossible to go back to training clean. For example, the pump is just on another level :D
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I only powerlift as a gym hobby. I'd like to have competed but we've only had the IPF here and I refuse to go in there and pretend to be a lifetime natural :D
If you haven't seen him, check out this elite powerlifter who did a couple of bb shows. He's made the craziest muscular gains I ever saw.
https://instagram.com/phdeadlift?igshid=x9bn4mcc30xr
Wow he's a crazy freak. You guys, who take steroids, idk, you are a different breed. I'm a natty. We are 2 worlds apart. I'm not shaming you, you do your thing, it's your body, your kidneys, your pancreas, your liver etc, but, we are 2 worlds apart. We natties belong in a different category.
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muscles only know intensity, thats all they respond to, they have no idea what exercises you are doing, the argument you may be making is that giant sets and the like actually overtrain you and hinder growth, as I said earlier maybe Dorian had it just right..
I think it's more that your cardiovascular capacity fails before muscular failure or rather you haven't recovered enough to generate the maximum muscular force and contraction simply because you are out of breath. When I mentioned how hard Milos put that poor guy through that giant set leg routine I wasn't referring to how he was pushed doing forced reps and negatives but that he wasn't allowed to get his breath back so he could generate the maximum amount of force and muscular contraction. If you do a set of squats to complete muscular failure and then jump right to the hack squats, and then to the leg press... while you are still sucking wind you will not be able to put out the maximal muscular force and contraction.
I do a similar type of training where I move from one exercise to the next without resting but I know I am sacrificing strength as I am more concerned with overall health and conditioning and don't want to spend the time doing a separate cardio routine. Jones used to say for an athlete they should train their muscles anaerobically and their body as a whole aerobically by doing this circuit type training. Boyer Cole once remarked that he didn't like this type of training for a bber. As a bber he wanted to push the maximum amount of weight for a given set. This required complete recovery and at least a few moments to "psyche up" to get into the proper mindset to move some heavyweight.
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All is vanity in the end
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Wow he's a crazy freak.
Look at his gains in a year, from 184 to 237. I mean he already had many years of juicing behind him in the first pic.
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I think Dorian made a large emotional investment into each workout and each set. That's why he felt he trained harder than anyone else. If you just look at his workout from the outside it doesn't look like anything special.
Those that love "hard training" know that there's a difference between going into the gym with a laid back attitude and doing sets to failure and beyond vs. thinking of a certain set for a week and going in all hyped up and desperate to hit a PR. The second can really drain you whereas the first might look like more work.
Another way to illustrate this is by way of powerlifting competitions. It's a maximum of 9 single lifts. Not a ton of work, not many seconds of effort, but the emotional investment can be huge, and it might take months to recover from fully.
If you look at Milos' giant sets, they are very laid back in a way, simply because you can't, by necessity, go 100% every inch of every movement. So the movements get a little sloppy and there is little grinding lifts and hard failure points, and so on. If you did giant sets like Dorian did his sets no one would survive it. Maybe one workout but not as a constant way of training.
This is an excellent post and that analogy really clarified it and something I hadn't considered. It's not just going through the motions and grinding it out. That "emotional investment" is a factor that goes unseen and unappreciated. Dorian mentioned how he kept records of all his training sessions and diet -- replete with comments and criticisms. That is a level of commitment and obsession that goes beyond those six reps on the incline.
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Look at his gains in a year, from 184 to 237. I mean he already had many years of juicing behind him in the first pic.
What can I say, good for him, he's a freak, but is he natty? Nope. (I am)
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the one thing dorian crushed everyone on, in that time frame was his back training, hell just look at videos of him, in contest form , from the rear dorian beats anyone from any era, especially 93 olympia dorian.
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I agree with the OP but it’s a tough call because not that much time has passed, relatively speaking, since Dorian’s era. The people who are saying Labrada can’t be better, or as good, are the same people who would say Barry Bonds or Mike Trout could never be as good as Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle.
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This is an excellent post and that analogy really clarified it and something I hadn't considered. It's not just going through the motions and grinding it out. That "emotional investment" is a factor that goes unseen and unappreciated. Dorian mentioned how he kept records of all his training sessions and diet -- replete with comments and criticisms. That is a level of commitment and obsession that goes beyond those six reps on the incline.
Yes, and he mentioned in an article how surprised he was as a new professional to find other competitors weren't like that.
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Yes, and he mentioned in an article how surprised he was as a new professional to find other competitors weren't like that.
attention to detail!
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I agree with the OP but it’s a tough call because not that much time has passed, relatively speaking, since Dorian’s era. The people who are saying Labrada can’t be better, or as good, are the same people who would say Barry Bonds or Mike Trout could never be as good as Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle.
You are a moron
Has he proven himself? Has he stepped on the O stage? Has he won the O? Or even a top tier pro show?
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Hunter Labrada is not at the level of Dorian, come on now, this thread is ridiculous
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Hunter Labrada is not at the level of Dorian, come on now, this thread is ridiculous
Hunter would win if they competed today. ;D
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Hunter would win if they competed today. ;D
Ha ha ha that was a good one
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Dorian was the greatest bodybuilder ever. He just does not appeal to gay men.
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One of the greatest of all time versus a guy with a Semi-famous daddy.
He is a hell of a bodybuilder and most certainly deserves his pro card. He just is not in Dorians league yet.
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hunter isn't even better than his dad
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hunter isn't even better than his dad
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This, srs, Hunter is great but that pec tear hurts him badly, reminds me of Toney Freeman, a pec tear is almost a death sentence for a competitive bodybuilder, and yes Hunter is not better than his Dad, taller and bigger yes, but not better
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hunter isn't even better than his dad
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Agreed.
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This, srs, Hunter is great but that pec tear hurts him badly, reminds me of Toney Freeman, a pec tear is almost a death sentence for a competitive bodybuilder, and yes Hunter is not better than his Dad, taller and bigger yes, but not better
great post
his father's build was quality
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What can I say, good for him, he's a freak, but is he natty? Nope. (I am)
No one let me repeat NO ONE CARES about and your stupid shit but you. No one includes US meaning
WE
DONT
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CARE
.......................s till dont care
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Hunter Labrada is not at the level of Dorian, come on now, this thread is ridiculous
Might as well be a paid ad, this thread. :D
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This, srs, Hunter is great but that pec tear hurts him badly, reminds me of Toney Freeman, a pec tear is almost a death sentence for a competitive bodybuilder, and yes Hunter is not better than his Dad, taller and bigger yes, but not better
Dorian had like 20 tears.
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Hunter would win if they competed today. ;D
Nope, not with that pec tear
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Nope, not with that pec tear
I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.
Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.
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I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.
Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.
If someone walks out onstage and nothing stands out, thats a balanced Physique, Heath for example his arms stand out, Ramis quads, they are really highlighting a flaw in the physique, unfortunately its these flaws that catch the judges eye and they end up placing higher than the balanced "boring" physiques
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I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.
Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.
I feel like Dorian is just another level, same thing with Arnold. Some physiques are pretty much unbeatable. Dorian was head and shoulders above the rest
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If someone walks out onstage and nothing stands out, thats a balanced Physique, Heath for example his arms stand out, Ramis quads, they are really highlighting a flaw in the physique, unfortunately its these flaws that catch the judges eye and they end up placing higher than the balanced "boring" physiques
Chris Cormier comes to mind, nothing really stands out in his physique, but he looks phenomenal with his balance and shape
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Bob paris too. Everything was in perfect proportion he didn't really have any stand out body parts
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hunter isn't even better than his dad
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doesnt even look good either, he looks like a bag of shit about to explode
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Labrada looks the same as umpteen other pros.
It's a "sameness" that a lot of these guys have.
Is it because they all use the same exercises or do the drugs make them look the same?
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I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.
Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.
The word you are looking for is density,you could also throw a little bit of the grainy look into VS. the marshmallow air inflated puffy soft look.
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Labrada looks the same as umpteen other pros.
It's a "sameness" that a lot of these guys have.
Is it because they all use the same exercises or do the drugs make them look the same?
High doses of AAS and insulin is why they look the same. There is no need for hard work, the drugs do it for them now.
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I think it's more that your cardiovascular capacity fails before muscular failure or rather you haven't recovered enough to generate the maximum muscular force and contraction simply because you are out of breath. When I mentioned how hard Milos put that poor guy through that giant set leg routine I wasn't referring to how he was pushed doing forced reps and negatives but that he wasn't allowed to get his breath back so he could generate the maximum amount of force and muscular contraction. If you do a set of squats to complete muscular failure and then jump right to the hack squats, and then to the leg press... while you are still sucking wind you will not be able to put out the maximal muscular force and contraction.
I do a similar type of training where I move from one exercise to the next without resting but I know I am sacrificing strength as I am more concerned with overall health and conditioning and don't want to spend the time doing a separate cardio routine. Jones used to say for an athlete they should train their muscles anaerobically and their body as a whole aerobically by doing this circuit type training. Boyer Cole once remarked that he didn't like this type of training for a bber. As a bber he wanted to push the maximum amount of weight for a given set. This required complete recovery and at least a few moments to "psyche up" to get into the proper mindset to move some heavyweight.
Exactly.
Boyer also wasn't so crazy about the Jones "rush factor" and thrive weekly Nautilus protocol because Art insisted that Boyer get off any AAS. Boyer admittedly used Dianabol even as a high school kid, so he'd been "enhanced" for well over a decade until his employment at Nautilus Industries in '82 (I think that's right). Asking him to stop the drugs AND mess with his training routine was a recipe for disaster.
I like Ellington Darden, but he pulled the same shithead thing with Eddie Robinson for a lame case study that Ell made into a book. He demanded Eddie get off Deca, then put him on a Jonesian routine. I don't know what Ell claimed about Eddie's results in the book, but I do recall that Ed was NOT happy at the end. Not surprisingly, he said he lost muscle and strength, and got fatter to boot.
Oh, btw: it's Boyer Coe, not Cole :)~
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Exactly.
Boyer also wasn't so crazy about the Jones "rush factor" and thrive weekly Nautilus protocol because Art insisted that Boyer get off any AAS. Boyer admittedly used Dianabol even as a high school kid, so he'd been "enhanced" for well over a decade until his employment at Nautilus Industries in '82 (I think that's right). Asking him to stop the drugs AND mess with his training routine was a recipe for disaster.
I like Ellington Darden, but he pulled the same shithead thing with Eddie Robinson for a lame case study that Ell made into a book. He demanded Eddie get off Deca, then put him on a Jonesian routine. I don't know what Ell claimed about Eddie's results in the book, but I do recall that Ed was NOT happy at the end. Not surprisingly, he said he lost muscle and strength, and got fatter to boot.
Oh, btw: it's Boyer Coe, not Cole :)~
i talked to casey viator a few times around 2003 , casey was very open minded , he told me he believed in , h.i.t for strength and size, but also said the arnold method of high sets was essential for him to get into contest shape, he also said no one trained harder than arnold pre contest and arnolds pre contest routine would kill most people
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i talked to casey viator a few times around 2003 , casey was very open minded , he told me he believed in , h.i.t for strength and size, but also said the arnold method of high sets was essential for him to get into contest shape, he also said no one trained harder than arnold pre contest and arnolds pre contest routine would kill most people
Squats with 315 would not kill most people. I think that a much smaller Ed Corney was training harder than Arnold in Pumping Iron
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I just checked out the comparison you made [I attached your photo below]. You really make it clear how much better Dorian's calves are than Hunter's - even though that is of course the case, the photo was manipulated in a way to make it look less pronounced than it actually is - and as you have shown in your comparison, Dorian's calves are STILL much larger than Hunter's calves.
To be fair, I was looking at their left calves, and didn't notice the sheer size advantage Dorian has in calves until I noticed his right calve, highlighted in the comparison you made.
I previously conceded your point about Dorian having longer arms than Hunter, and better/bigger triceps, and you did a job job highlighting that in your comparison photo.
What's funny is that even using this example - a photo obviously made to make Hunter look as good as possible, and a shot of Dorian from...I'm guessing somewhere between 1995-1997, and Dorian still looks better, lol!!
No dis' whatsoever to Hunter there - it just goes to show how many lightyears ahead Dorian was than the competition. While I always felt that Dorian had a thick waist, he was excellent everywhere else. I would say 1993 was his best year, because by 1995, he was already missing a biceps. Otherwise, you could make a good case for 1995 being his best year.
I still say that Ronnie Coleman in 2003 would beat any bodybuilding in any area of bodybuilding, and was literally the best stage physique ever seen by a bodybuilding in the history of the industry, but Dorian was also well ahead of his time, and his physique today could easily be a top contender in the 2020's world of bodybuilding [not yet begun, as far as the Olympia goes - but basically what I mean is: Dorian in 1993 could be competitive this year in 2020, and probably in 2023 for that matter, time will tell, which goes to show just how far ahead of his time Dorian was than the competition].
I wonder if Lee Haney, in his last Mr. Olympia win in 1991, when his wife Shirley insisted that he retire for health reasons at the ripe old age of 32, could be competitive in today's area. Maybe not to the point of winning the Mr. Olympia...but I suspect a 1991 version of Lee Haney could make the Mr. Olympia stage.
Dorian would almost for sure have been Mr. Olympia had he competed last year. Well...if the 1996 version of him was transported into the future...THAT version of Dorian [or any others from around that time period - while he was winning his Sandows] could have won in 2019, as well as 2018.
I got to here before I got bored as shit. And too many typos.
I can't fathom the experience of the people who actually do read all of my posts all the way through - and I have confirmed there are some. What a drag. It's akin to watching either Britney Spears or Ronnie Coleman age.
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Matt, your Asperger’s and repressed homosexuality are making you think your opinion means something around here.
Now shut the fuck up before you get bitch slapped back into playing hide and go seek on the Lakehead University campus.
Skinny autistic bitchboi.
I agree with the last statement, but I don't get why you assume I'm a homosexual from what I post. I'm not sure how long posts are associated with being a bender.
That being said, I still think that in that manipulated side-by-side comparison, Hunter and Dorian look similar.
I think if you put them side by side, Dorian would probably have a full 20-lb on Hunter, more graininess, and I think he's pretty close to exactly 1" shorter.
So yeah, that's quite the difference.
I just looked for Hunter Labrada's age online - 28. That's the age Dorian was in 1990. He may compare better to Dorian at that time than in the OP comparison. That's Dorian in his prime...but I still think it's manipulated to make both men look about the same size. Although I will say - Hunter has made some serious gains since I last saw images of him.
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I agree with the last statement, but I don't get why you assume I'm a homosexual from what I post. I'm not sure how long posts are associated with being a bender.
That being said, I still think that in that manipulated side-by-side comparison, Hunter and Dorian look similar.
I think if you put them side by side, Dorian would probably have a full 20-lb on Hunter, more graininess, and I think he's pretty close to exactly 1" shorter.
So yeah, that's quite the difference.
I just looked for Hunter Labrada's age online - 28. That's the age Dorian was in 1990. He may compare better to Dorian at that time than in the OP comparison. That's Dorian in his prime...but I still think it's manipulated to make both men look about the same size. Although I will say - Hunter has made some serious gains since I last saw images of him.
It's because you smoke cigarettes. Everyone knows sucking on long skinny objects is a harbinger to sucking cocks.
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Bob paris too. Everything was in perfect proportion he didn't really have any stand out body parts
I feel that is the best look = all around balanced is best.
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I feel that is the best look = all around balanced is best.
gary strydom in 91 looked pretty good
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I agree that pec tears are really unsightly but Hunter's isn't really that bad, pretty much on the level of Levrone's, maybe a touch worse. Looks like that pec can still grow and he can also apply certain fillers in it for shows with good effect.
Hunter is real big and symmetrical, his "problem" is the look of the muscle like I said before. It's kinda hard to explain but I think many or most fans know what I'm talking about.
It's the same look as that Russian kid who is humongous. But Flex Lewis and Cutler had the same look and did well to say the least. The opposite would be a Dorian or Hadi Choopan. Look at Hadi, the way his muscle looks like fucking steel, how the skin sits. It's genetic.
There's also a certain boring quality to too much balance. This is also hard to explain but certain bodies just look more interesting, the muscle pops at interesting angles. Think Wheeler or Kai.
hunter looks like something that came out of my dogs asshole yesterday. all he is,is his daddy lee's chemical experiment and a tool for pappa lee to promote and sell his shitty supplements that dont work.
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gary strydom in 91 looked pretty good
guy is amazing! i watched some of his old videos - super impressive
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guy is amazing! i watched some of his old videos - super impressive
i would have to say proably the best chest and delts combo out there for a taller guy, he was smart to, took that wbf money and was making way more than anyone in the weider clan at that time.
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gary strydom in 91 looked pretty good
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Jesse Ventura while doing WBF commentary referred to him as "Gary Strydex". LMFAO.
He also said while Roddy Piper was whipping Mr. T in Pipers Pit that this "looks like an excerpt from Roots, McMahon". LMMFAO!
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Jesse Ventura while doing WBF commentary referred to him as "Gary Strydex". LMFAO.
He also said while Roddy Piper was whipping Mr. T in Pipers Pit that this "looks like an excerpt from Roots, McMahon". LMMFAO!
Jesse was gold then....
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Jesse was gold then....
Venturra and hennan where the best
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I feel like Dorian is just another level, same thing with Arnold. Some physiques are pretty much unbeatable. Dorian was head and shoulders above the rest
He had an amazing back and great conditioning. Other than that he looked like shit from the front in every pose except for side triceps. So overblown how great he was. He was great in '92 and '93 that's it. Oh you had to see him in person. Ya sure
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Yeah, that Dorian was pure shit from the front :/ Nevermind his front lat spread and his ab/thigh...those don't count?
Doz might've gone batty by subscribing to some stupid conspiracy nonsense stuff, but the bullshit he's currently talking about in relation to smoking pot explains some of his aberrant behavior.
Still, he does seem outwardly healthy, and he is obviously happy with his life. Contrast that with Coleman sitting in a wheelchair, totally drugged off his ass on some serious painkillers, struggling to answer questions about his "friend" Nasser who was "Duh nihsis guy" :roll:
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He had an amazing back and great conditioning. Other than that he looked like shit from the front in every pose except for side triceps. So overblown how great he was. He was great in '92 and '93 that's it. Oh you had to see him in person. Ya sure
His abs/thighs, front lat spread and side tri's is probably the GOAT. Front double bi's was a negative with a torn bicep but he did hide it fairly well. His side chest is also very good if not great. He is great on all the quarter turns as well.
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He had an amazing back and great conditioning. Other than that he looked like shit from the front in every pose except for side triceps. So overblown how great he was. He was great in '92 and '93 that's it. Oh you had to see him in person. Ya sure
He was only great for 2 years? ??? How many years are other competitors great like that?
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He had an amazing back and great conditioning. Other than that he looked like shit from the front in every pose except for side triceps. So overblown how great he was. He was great in '92 and '93 that's it. Oh you had to see him in person. Ya sure
What we perceive as pleasing aesthetically is somewhat subjective, though not totally so (for example when it comes to pleasing facial features, people rate faces similarly).
I would say his front lat spread was crazy good. In my opinion someone like Coleman wasn't even close. Huge as hell but kind of goofy looking.
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Those pics of Dorian’s front lat-spread are beyond awesome.
By comparison, Ronnie’s look shitty.
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Those pics of Dorian’s front lat-spread are beyond awesome.
By comparison, Ronnie’s look shitty.
it's like he has no control of his scapula. powerlifting bodybuilders often
have flexibility issues with the scapula and lats.
yet his lats still pop out like crazy. wonder what he would have looked like
if he had worked on that.
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Back in the day when I was trying to gain mass muscle, having a physique like Dorian would have been my dream. Except by the time he was on top, I was already past my prime.
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Back in the day when I was trying to gain mass muscle, having a physique like Dorian would have been my dream. Except by the time he was on top, I was already past my prime.
Go choke on a cock, you flamethrower.
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it's like he has no control of his scapula. powerlifting bodybuilders often
have flexibility issues with the scapula and lats.
yet his lats still pop out like crazy. wonder what he would have looked like
if he had worked on that.
Could be unrelated to physical issues too. The way he holds his legs makes them look cow-legged too, plus the facial expression. Maybe that's the wrong expression but the lower leg sort of turns outward. And the leg is locked instead of having a slight bend.
Yates has a normal expression and the pose doesn't look strained.
I have the very unpopular view that it's almost impossible to teach or learn posing. Either you have the aesthetic sense to hit your poses "right" or you don't. Never saw a bad poser turn good, no matter how many posing coaches they hired.
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Could be unrelated to physical issues too. The way he holds his legs makes them look cow-legged too, plus the facial expression. Maybe that's the wrong expression but the lower leg sort of turns outward. And the leg is locked instead of having a slight bend.
Yates has a normal expression and the pose doesn't look strained.
I have the very unpopular view that it's almost impossible to teach or learn posing. Either you have the aesthetic sense to hit your poses "right" or you don't. Never saw a bad poser turn good, no matter how many posing coaches they hired.
well that's because it's an art form pretty much
like dancing, singing, writing poetry, painting, whatever.
with that you have it or you don't
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well that's because it's an art form pretty much
like dancing, singing, writing poetry, painting, whatever.
with that you have it or you don't
People have attacked me for saying this, very unpopular view on the forums:D Some ask to be critiqued for their posing but then you see them compete and they have forgotten all about the advises.
Yates didn't gyrate and dance or do homosexy moves but I think his posing was very precise and well executed. No one called him a great poser though. :D
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Could be unrelated to physical issues too. The way he holds his legs makes them look cow-legged too, plus the facial expression. Maybe that's the wrong expression but the lower leg sort of turns outward. And the leg is locked instead of having a slight bend.
Yates has a normal expression and the pose doesn't look strained.
I have the very unpopular view that it's almost impossible to teach or learn posing. Either you have the aesthetic sense to hit your poses "right" or you don't. Never saw a bad poser turn good, no matter how many posing coaches they hired.
agreed. i've spent hours with guys getting their front double bicep
to be hit proper. hours and hours getting it perfect.
what happens on stage?? they revert to the 'fighters double bicep', for
lack of better term.
no different than a fighter going through the katas or whatever they are called.
they look like blackbelts in training, yet if it's not engrained deeply enough,
they look like they are dogpaddling in the ring.
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Dorian never had the chest of Ronnie, but his back was superior, imo, just granite, dense muscle
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agreed. i've spent hours with guys getting their front double bicep
to be hit proper. hours and hours getting it perfect.
what happens on stage?? they revert to the 'fighters double bicep', for
lack of better term.
no different than a fighter going through the katas or whatever they are called.
they look like blackbelts in training, yet if it's not engrained deeply enough,
they look like they are dogpaddling in the ring.
I once put a routine together for a guy and when we practiced the start he walked on from the left , on the day of the show they walked on from the right, he did his entire routine facing the wrong way, he even did his side chest with his back to the audience..
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Dorian never had the chest of Ronnie, but his back was superior, imo, just granite, dense muscle
No one can beat Dorian from the rear
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No one can beat Dorian from the rear
Except Ronnie. '98/99 Ronnie buries everyone
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Hunter would be invisible standing on stage next to a prime Dorian.
literally his shadow would make him disappear.
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literally his shadow would make him disappear.
Prime-Dorian was taller than Labrada
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People have attacked me for saying this, very unpopular view on the forums:D Some ask to be critiqued for their posing but then you see them compete and they have forgotten all about the advises.
Yates didn't gyrate and dance or do homosexy moves but I think his posing was very precise and well executed. No one called him a great poser though. :D
Agreed - just get the job done
Things in posing that make me wince (even though Vince Taylor is one of my all time faves and did most of at some point - usually in the same routine ;D)
- The robot/terminator
- Lip-synching
- Body-popping/dancing of any sort
- Cupped ear begging for applause
- Posing to O Fortuna (oh brother) Once saw a regional show where no less than 6 competitors thought that they'd discovered hitting poses to the kettle drum
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I once put a routine together for a guy and when we practiced the start he walked on from the left , on the day of the show they walked on from the right, he did his entire routine facing the wrong way, he even did his side chest with his back to the audience..
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's brilliant ;D It's nerves for some people - fair play though, at least he remembered his moves - I just went totally blank when I saw all the faces and tried to remember everything at once
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Except Ronnie. '98/99 Ronnie buries everyone
I still favor Yates, but to each his own.
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I still favor Yates, but to each his own.
It's subjective for sure. Yates had a grainy convex turtle shell back, whereas Coleman had a mushy, concave (in the back double bis) but maybe bigger back.I think Yates edges him out.
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It's subjective for sure. Yates had a grainy convex turtle shell back, whereas Coleman had a mushy, concave (in the back double bis) but maybe bigger back.I think Yates edges him out.
Well-said.