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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: oldtimer1 on March 18, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
That would be akin to cancel culture. We don't do that in these parts.
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
Relax schmoe
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
I touched a nerve?
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I touched a nerve?
Trump didn’t deport you Ricardo?
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people are desperate to feel superior. they are also stupid and greedy. bleh.
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
You should be grateful this isn't the real world. Oldtimer1 is correct. I've seen the same things he has witnessed. Oh and if you want you can tell me to kill myself but I've already been dead, kiddo.
Nothing to see in the mirror so move along.
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
Do you support the so-called natural federations or merely lament about how it used to be before anabolics came into the picture?
Maybe the look like crap because they no longer eat or train with any decency once they stop using performance-enhancing drugs. There are plenty of old former pros who still look great, even if they no longer have the size and strength they once did in their prime.
Isn't it usually the case that the very first time someone uses steroids, they blow up like weeds? I experienced something similar when I first loaded with creatine. I thought it was the second coming, after putting on 12 pounds in a little over two weeks. I've yet to replicate that feat in the 20+ years since I've used creatine.
Those who love bodybuilding still stick with it, long after they retire and it shows. Those whose passion for it only exists as long it bring them attention/fame or fortune usually become the guys of which you speak. It's that whole wheat and chaff thing.
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Oldtimer1 do you like bodybuilding? If yes it’s not a waste of time for you. Who cares about steroids. You know a lot about them for being drug free. Why concern yourself with them and who uses, you’re not 15. Life is not fair, we all don’t live by the same code. Enjoy what you do and what you’ve accomplished.
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True story.
BBing is about drugs and has been since the 60's.
Even your old heroes that you thought only took 10mg of Dbol and 200mg of Deca only 4-5 weeks before a show. They were juiced to the tits.
Natural bodybuilding is completely different and irrelevant. You can blame the creepy Weiders for that.
The only natural competitions are Olympic Weightlifting, and that's a stretch. They just know how to time their drugs.
Just be happy with your health man, have fun in what you like.
Humans will always cheat if given the opportunity. There is no honor anymore.
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Bodybuilding is no different than Hollywood productions or the music industry - a facade made up of smoke and mirrors. But we've all known that for years. It's all entertainment- a fantasy to keep people amused.
I used to race bicycles around the US and got pretty good at it, but never a world beater. I eventually reached my natural level and couldn't go any faster-like a weight lifter who puts on 20 pounds of muscle and then it stops, no matter what you do (naturally).
In comparison,my current neighbor up the street, who raced nearly the same time I did, became a world class cyclist and could run circles around me because he was so good. He raced in the Olympics, Tour de France, World Cycling Championships, etc. He was the US national cycling champion multiple times. Everybody held him up as a god when he was competing. I figured he was genetically gifted and I wasn't. Such is life.
But his story changed a few years ago when it came out that he doped to get where he was. His entire career was based on EPO- without it, he'd have been slightly better than average. I laughed when I found out because he seemed to be too good to be true- and was. Was I pissed that he doped to win and I didn't? Nah- I just don't take drugs unless I am on the operating table. It's a personal choice, period. To each his own.
I got my high from cycling and training by just doing it- and even now, because I love the rush of a good workout. It just makes me feel so damn good. That's the reward and that's the reason I continue to do it.
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Weider sold people and boy did they stay sold, haha. Fifty years to figure out the con that is commercial bodybuilding. ;D
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Bodybuilding is no different than Hollywood productions or the music industry - a facade made up of smoke and mirrors. But we've all known that for years. It's all entertainment- a fantasy to keep people amused.
I used to race bicycles around the US and got pretty good at it, but never a world beater. I eventually reached my natural level and couldn't go any faster-like a weight lifter who puts on 20 pounds of muscle and then it stops, no matter what you do (naturally).
In comparison,my current neighbor up the street, who raced nearly the same time I did, became a world class cyclist and could run circles around me because he was so good. He raced in the Olympics, Tour de France, World Cycling Championships, etc. He was the US national cycling champion multiple times. Everybody held him up as a god when he was competing. I figured he was genetically gifted and I wasn't. Such is life.
But his story changed a few years ago when it came out that he doped to get where he was. His entire career was based on EPO- without it, he'd have been slightly better than average. I laughed when I found out because he seemed to be too good to be true- and was. Was I pissed that he doped to win and I didn't? Nah- I just don't take drugs unless I am on the operating table. It's a personal choice, period. To each his own.
I got my high from cycling and training by just doing it- and even now, because I love the rush of a good workout. It just makes me feel so damn good. That's the reward and that's the reason I continue to do it.
The ESPN Lance Armstrong documentary was interesting. It's amazing what a little EPO can do.
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The ESPN Lance Armstrong documentary was interesting. It's amazing what a little EPO can do.
It's like magic! My neighbor was Lance's right hand man. The stories I've heard, lol.
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Ofcourse its all drugs. These primadonnas just get butthurt when you mention it. Truth is they are all nothing more than drug addicts. And they all pay for it later in life. Some even sooner(mcgarver and Sandoe case in point).
Atleast with youtube there is transperancy about it. Narcisist bullshitters and liars gets called out on their shit. Thats the good part about it lately.
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Here's a guy for whom bodybuilding is hardly a waste of time.
Former IFBB pro, WBF superstar, and 2020 AAU Masters Mr. Universe, Tony "The Jetman" Pearson.
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
Very interesting and good points.
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Natural training is one of the best things you can do for yourself. We are all addicted to the iron for life and I don't see that as a bad thing. The fact that we have to temper our expectations sucks but on the positive side training to our genetic limitation isn't very hard to do. After you hit your peak, just maintain. Never compete as a natural because you lose all your muscle to dieting.
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Bodybuilding is no different than Hollywood productions or the music industry - a facade made up of smoke and mirrors. But we've all known that for years. It's all entertainment- a fantasy to keep people amused.
I used to race bicycles around the US and got pretty good at it, but never a world beater. I eventually reached my natural level and couldn't go any faster-like a weight lifter who puts on 20 pounds of muscle and then it stops, no matter what you do (naturally).
In comparison,my current neighbor up the street, who raced nearly the same time I did, became a world class cyclist and could run circles around me because he was so good. He raced in the Olympics, Tour de France, World Cycling Championships, etc. He was the US national cycling champion multiple times. Everybody held him up as a god when he was competing. I figured he was genetically gifted and I wasn't. Such is life.
But his story changed a few years ago when it came out that he doped to get where he was. His entire career was based on EPO- without it, he'd have been slightly better than average. I laughed when I found out because he seemed to be too good to be true- and was. Was I pissed that he doped to win and I didn't? Nah- I just don't take drugs unless I am on the operating table. It's a personal choice, period. To each his own.
I got my high from cycling and training by just doing it- and even now, because I love the rush of a good workout. It just makes me feel so damn good. That's the reward and that's the reason I continue to do it.
Quality post reported.
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It's a matter of choice training with or without steroids. Some say there is not bodybuilding without steroids and it is true to some extent.
For the non genetically gifted, what's the point of lifting for years to build a muscular body, if it doesn't happen ever? Hell, i have seen guys on the sauce who looked like they didn't lift at all.
At least on hormones they achieve their dream.
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It's a matter of choice training with or without steroids. Some say there is not bodybuilding without steroids and it is true to some extent.
For the non genetically gifted, what's the point of lifting for years to build a muscular body, if it doesn't happen ever? Hell, i have seen guys on the sauce who looked like they didn't lift at all.
At least on hormones they achieve their dream.
Yes, natural bodybuilding is silly. And Imo the same goes for any strength sport.
Not because it cant be good type of competition. But because the mere existence of steroids reduces it to completely pointless. Because you will be forever compared to people on steroids. And people pretending not to be on.
That and you will probably look only slightly better than some track and field athletes(but probably worse since they are top ones are top 0.001% tier genetics).
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Natural training is one of the best things you can do for yourself. We are all addicted to the iron for life and I don't see that as a bad thing. The fact that we have to temper our expectations sucks but on the positive side training to our genetic limitation isn't very hard to do. After you hit your peak, just maintain. Never compete as a natural because you lose all your muscle to dieting.
I am addicted to jerking off. when i wake up i have to take things in hand.
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Here's a guy for whom bodybuilding is hardly a waste of time.
Former IFBB pro, WBF superstar, and 2020 AAU Masters Mr. Universe, Tony "The Jetman" Pearson.
He looks great with his 165lbs to 170lbs body at around 5'8". I doubt he is juicing year round now.
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He looks great with his 165lbs to 170lbs body at around 5'8". I doubt he is juicing year round now.
Do you like looking at his ripped body?
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Another thing I have seen are guys that threw away any possibility of a career pursuing the syringe life style in their 20's. Working toward financial stability through the pursuit of a career should have been a priority.
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What's this talk about Getbig not being the "real world"?
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Another thing I have seen are guys that threw away any possibility of a career pursuing the syringe life style in their 20's. Working toward financial stability through the pursuit of a career should have been a priority.
Do you have a collection of thongs?
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The ESPN Lance Armstrong documentary was interesting. It's amazing what a little EPO can do.
60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike. Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains. Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team. They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.
Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.
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60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike. Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains. Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team. They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.
Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.
Dude was a true American!
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Do you support the so-called natural federations or merely lament about how it used to be before anabolics came into the picture?
Maybe the look like crap because they no longer eat or train with any decency once they stop using performance-enhancing drugs. There are plenty of old former pros who still look great, even if they no longer have the size and strength they once did in their prime.
Isn't it usually the case that the very first time someone uses steroids, they blow up like weeds? I experienced something similar when I first loaded with creatine. I thought it was the second coming, after putting on 12 pounds in a little over two weeks. I've yet to replicate that feat in the 20+ years since I've used creatine.
Those who love bodybuilding still stick with it, long after they retire and it shows. Those whose passion for it only exists as long it bring them attention/fame or fortune usually become the guys of which you speak. It's that whole wheat and chaff thing.
Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth.
Creatine? A lot of water retention. No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.
Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.
In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity. You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.
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What's this talk about Getbig not being the "real world"?
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Ooops! Yeah, I have no idea what dimension I was in when I wrote that! ;D ;D
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Thats exactly why I never went on anything. The dudes who blew up in no time and strutted around only to deflate and look like crap a few months later. It was all fake. Entirely FNG fake. One guy in my gym died from a tainted syringe, others slinked off into obscurity, etc.
So many of these guys are a flash in the pan. Look great once while sauced up, but no real work ethic, no real love of the training etc.
No thanks.
I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
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Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore.
You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.
Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!
Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.
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fucking pussies man. juiced to the gills is the way to go.
bunch of guys with small dicks.
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fucking pussies man. juiced to the gills is the way to go.
bunch of guys with small dicks.
You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.
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It's like magic! My neighbor was Lance's right hand man. The stories I've heard, lol.
Do you think Lance would have been an average cyclist without drugs?
I'm curious if elite cycling is more of an athletic contest or if its a drug war.
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You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.
He makes Edgar Guanipa look small.
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You must have one helluva a shenis, there ace.
Wanna see it ?
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Do you think Lance would have been an average cyclist without drugs?
I'm curious if elite cycling is more of an athletic contest or if its a drug war.
No- Lance would have still kicked ass without drugs - but he was racing against other doped cyclists and decided to even the playing field. Lance was destroying triathlon fields as a 15 year old - he had the genetics.
Elite cyclists are genetically gifted no doubt. I've raced against some of the best early in their careers and was shocked at how good they were. But EPO changed everything and put it at a whole new level.
EPO use is way way down now because of the new "biological passports" and the racing is far cleaner. That's evidenced by a bunch of new, younger cyclists who are taking over.
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You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.
Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!
Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.
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And...your point is?
You think there wasn't a crapload of drugs available in the 70s? Yes, there wasn't insulin or GH. Tren was unheard of.
It was way easier to get stuff back then. Pharm grade stuff. Nothing was made in some guy's basement or in a Chinese lab.
Guys were doing stacks of 4 or 5 steroids then.
I don't think OT is saying he thinks drugs aren't available. They are easily available today in the U.S. illegally.
It's been shown that many drugs available today are not what they say they are. You trust the Chinese underground labs?
You're dealing with criminals.
Another thing...people think 'roids were legal back in the 70s & early 80s.
Heck, they were illegal back in the 70s to get unless you had a doctor's prescription.
So, if you want to do them then or now you have to break the law.
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60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike. Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains. Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team. They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.
Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.
No- Lance didn't have a battery in his bike, lol. The story you are referring to is one Greg LeMond made up claiming that the current World Champion cyclist at the time, Fabian Cancellara, used a motor in his bike to win a race. It was disproven and LeMond was made to look like a fool. Btw Lance had already retired by then...
The motor you are describing was one of the earliest Ebike attempts. The motor could provide an additional 200 watts- which is huge- for about 10 minutes-enough to affect a race. However that early design was noisy as hell and actually caused the crankset ( where the pedals are attached) to turn in a slow cadence - screwing up the riders pedaling style. One woman racer was caught using it in a small event and promptly got tossed from the sport.
Now Ebikes are everywhere but all pro races use a scanning system on the bikes to detect them. Not a single case had been found.
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And...your point is?
You think there wasn't a crapload of drugs available in the 70s?
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I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.
They are semi-legal now. Clinics offer any steroid you want now. They are advertising openly all over instagram.
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I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.
Fucking guys on here who bitch about drugs. Man they have no clue. most of them are just jelous because they get no pussy.
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I thought my point was obvious. The fella says he doubts there are ANY real drugs available. It's completely idiotic but he has said the same for years now. How it's all watered down testosterone.
They are semi-legal now. Clinics offer any steroid you want now. They are advertising openly all over instagram.
I'm in the US so they are illegal. Personally, I think adults should do whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else.
Everybody is entitled to f*ck themselves up. Drink booze, smoke pot, do steroids, whatever. Make your own choices.
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Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth.
Creatine? A lot of water retention. No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.
Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.
In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity. You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.
I know transformations can happen quickly. The creatine comparison I made was regarding to FIRST-TIME USAGE. Water-retention or not (BTW, I never claimed I put on 12 lbs of pure muscle), the stuff worked and my size and strength went up significantly.
It sounds to me as if you're bit on the bitter side. Anyone with a great physique you'll accuse of being a drug user whether he actually is or not.
If you think bodybuilding is a "waste", so be it. Other people's mileage may vary. It's called managing expectations. People who think bodybuilding will make then instantly popular, famous, or rich are usually the ones who get their hearts broken. The late Paul DeMayo said in an IronMan video, "I don't want to live in a world where you have to be big, or people don't want to be your friend anymore.
Even "natural" have multiple meanings. Do you ingest anything other than regular food (i.e. creatine)? Few are going to gobble 10 lbs of steak daily to get 20 grams of creatine every 24 hours for a week. Vitamin C is natural, but do you plan on downing 30 oranges to get 1000 mg of the stuff? I don't and I live in Florida. ;D
Have you used pro-hormones like DHEA or androstenedione (back in the day). If you're not "natty-for-life", how long much you eschew anabolics before you're consider natural again: 1 year? 3 years? 7 years? NEVER?
Those who love bodybuilding for its own sake, and don't obsess about who's taking X or injecting Y, are usually the ones who stick with it long term. Whether you're natural or not-so-natural, make your decision; support your decision; and EAT, DRINK, and be MASSIVE (or at least SWOLE).
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
Bodybuilding is the muscle
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Anytime competition is involved people tend to go too far to win.
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I'm in the US so they are illegal. Personally, I think adults should do whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else.
Everybody is entitled to f*ck themselves up. Drink booze, smoke pot, do steroids, whatever. Make your own choices.
You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.
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You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.
Yes, if you get a prescription you can get any drug, even opiates. However, they are controlled substances.
If you want to be a trans-whatzit you can no doubt find a doc to prescribe you test to turn you into whatever or cut your dick off.
But, I can buy beer or liquor anytime without a prescription. There are 5 liquor stores in my town.
I have no personal interest in taking steroids or smoking pot, etc. Just can't see going to all the trouble. Like people who count macros in their food...too much bother.
But go for it.
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You can get a US prescription of the steroid of your choice for cosmetic enhancement. If it's an illegal prescription, don't know, but they are operating openly.
One state in the US just decriminalized steroid use and possesion. It's complete free-for-all, an all you can eat PED buffet, never been so easy to get.
What state would that be, since steroids are controlled at the federal level, not state ?
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What state would that be, since steroids are controlled at the federal level, not state ?
Oregon decriminalized everything use/possession wise statewide. Granted the Federal laws are still there, but for small time users, I doubt it's a big worry.
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Bodybuilding naturally isn’t a waste, but you just need to understand you’ll never have the size and level of conditioning as your PED users. If you’re natural and try to diet down to 5% body fat you tend to eat up all that muscle only to look like you’re starving, it’s pointless to compete but not pointless to lift and keep a good natural physique. I look back at the lifters of the the 40s and 50s, they were big and strong, great builds even though they weren’t necessarily lean. That’s something a natural should a aspire to, I recently went back to basics on my training after being stuck at 180 lbs for years, through heavy lifting/eating on a consistent basis I’m now at 200 lbs at the same body fat (around 11%).
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Bodybuilding naturally isn’t a waste, but you just need to understand you’ll never have the size and level of conditioning as your PED users. If you’re natural and try to diet down to 5% body fat you tend to eat up all that muscle only to look like you’re starving, it’s pointless to compete but not pointless to lift and keep a good natural physique. I look back at the lifters of the the 40s and 50s, they were big and strong, great builds even though they weren’t necessarily lean. That’s something a natural should a aspire to, I recently went back to basics on my training after being stuck at 180 lbs for years, through heavy lifting/eating on a consistent basis I’m now at 200 lbs at the same body fat (around 11%).
Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
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Why don’t you do us all a favor and kill yourself?
Why are you such a fan of cancel culture? Are you a woke lib?
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Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
Very true, in the end it doesn’t really matter. I’m a natural ectomorph so if I stop training and eating for 6 months cold turkey I’d be 165 lbs pretty fast. It’s merely a personal preference right now not to use PEDs at this time, doesn’t mean I won’t try them later on. Definitely going on TRT when I get older.
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
a lot of good points, but without drugs competitive bodybuilding would probably no longer exist. the people want to see the freaks.
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
Ever go to one of your high school reunions, maybe the 10th or the 20th? A lot, if not most of the so-called "jocks" got fat and sloppy looking.
Some folks argue that bodybuilders aren't really athletes. But drugs or no drugs, I think it is an athletic endeavor. Those who stick with it, usually look pretty good as they get older. Those who give it up either physically return to their genetically predisposed physique or they get fat just like some old footballers do.
Today, there are performance enhancing drugs being used by some folks in all sports. I'm not sure it is fair to say that bodybuilding is that different from other sports with respect to this type of drug use.
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I am addicted to jerking off. when i wake up i have to take things in hand.
Pussy is the most addicting thing on the planet.
To get addicted to drugs or alcohol you have to use the substances many times. You are addicted to pussy at puberty, having never had it.
If you quit drugs and alcohol, the longer you go without it the easier it is. If you quit pussy, the addiction gets worse the longer you go without it.
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Pussy is the most addicting thing on the planet.
To get addicted to drugs or alcohol you have to use the substances many times. You are addicted to pussy at puberty, having never had it.
If you quit drugs and alcohol, the longer you go without it the easier it is. If you quit pussy, the addiction gets worse the longer you go without it.
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it´s more a case of use it or lose it. your cock needs to exercise too.
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You "oldtimers" just won't get it into your retarded brains that there has never in the history of the world been as many legitimate anabolic steroids available, as easily. Nothing I say will change your mind, but you're the fool. You as an American can get an online prescription this second for any oral you want, any injectable, from a compounding pharmacy. You have UG labs pumping out high dosed gear by the ton out the ass. Never has there been as many drugs, no oldtimer in the scene would go back in time wrt drug availability. You couldn't get GH, tren was hard to get. No MENT etc. Steroids are dirt cheap. You can get any type of drug, back in the day you bought whatever your gym dealer had on hand, now it's anything and everything you could think of.
Then you go on complaining how it's "all drugs". How can it be all drugs if drugs aren't available? WTF!
Go on fucking Instagram and tell me real drugs aren't available. Imbeciles. The physiques are insane, powerlifting records are insane, records fall every day that were thought impossible just a short while ago. Why? Real drugs. Like a top powerlifter says, anyone can put together an elite total now if he is willing to pump a lot of tren.
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It's funny how people who know nothing about AAS always say such silly things.
The drugs of today are way better and easier to obtain than any other time in history.
Hell, i have a list of about 200 compounds i can order at any time and they were made legitimately.
Don't ruin it for them, they want to believe what they wish.
The fact that people think all AAS are made in some hillbillies bathtub always cracks me up.
I think oldtimer means well, but he is just extremely uninformed on the subject.
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Anytime competition is involved people tend to go too far to win.
That's human nature. We have been cheating since the first days of competition.
Some people are just willing to go further, like Lance Armstrong.
If you are competing in an "open" event, taking AAS is not illegal. Maybe immoral, but we are way beyond that anyway.
I do not like people who compete in drug free events by taking special chemicals, but it's not going to stop them.
All sports have people who cheat the system, F1, baseball, NASCAR, NHRA, football, soccer, swimming, bicycling, etc.
It's an unfortunate part of human competition. People will do anything to win, especially when money is involved.
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Oregon decriminalized everything use/possession wise statewide. Granted the Federal laws are still there, but for small time users, I doubt it's a big worry.
It's just like weed in a lot of states now. Unless you are selling it across state lines, you have zero issue with Federal law.
There are "health" clinics that you can get just about anything, but it's expensive.
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Ever go to one of your high school reunions, maybe the 10th or the 20th? A lot, if not most of the so-called "jocks" got fat and sloppy looking.
Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.
I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.
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You never dabbled? What about TRT? I always just assumed you'd be on self-administered TRT doses or something like that due to your build. Decent size.
Never dude. Ever. Totally honest assessment - I was working a heavy construction job abs lifting during my peak years and got the most out my genetics possible.
I’m 45 now and same size I was at 20 muscle wise. I got fat strong in early thirties - but after dieting down - still in same range.
Just never felt the desire to do it. I competed 5 times totally clean. Was ok w that. Now just different focus.
I love working out and training. It’s mental and physical. Been working out since 14 yo. Just really enjoy it as a hobby. It’s not a vanity thing like oh take roids to get girls or take roids to go in a show.
Training is my main hobby interest so no feeling need to take a short cut to nowhere. The daily training is the joy.
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Yes, real anabolics work amazing and fast. I have seen amazing transformations in under two months. Anyone that has been around the game long enough knows I speak the truth. Right now it's a crap shoot what counterfeit guys are buying. The saying all drugs has a lot of truth.
Creatine? A lot of water retention. No I don't believe you put on 12lbs of muscle in two weeks with creatine.
Do I support natural bodybuilding? I have strong suspicions about some of the competitors. I support a natural bodybuilding life style in the gym. If someone wants to pose to music while oiled up in their g string for cheering men then more power to them. Of course I'm in awe of someone with a great natural physique. Even the drug users are amazing but I don't forget for one second what I'm looking at. That is a temporary incredible physique that will look like a shell of itself just three months off of the drugs. Personally I don't even call myself a bodybuilder. I just train hard for fitness. That's my path. It doesn't have to be yours.
In the end what anyone does is their decision in life. I don't have to agree with it. I do understand that those that live the bodybuilding drug life to get compliments to prop up their little boy ego from the clueless are hurt by what I wrote. It's their identity. You don't challenge a man's identity without getting challenged.
Real anabolic but also response. I knew these four Arabs who came to the same gym years ago. All skinny twats. They all jumped on the same cycle. Same roids and same workouts. A couple grew a bit. One guy just blew the fuck up and his buddy wasn’t too far behind. You can tell how important the response to these drugs are. More important than the drugs themselves.
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More of the "Jetman" at the 2020 AAU Masters Universe:
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Well traveled ground being covered yet again.
Another perspective: There are plenty of holes in vanity training. Bodybuilding oriented training leaves a lot to be desired in terms of athletic function, injury prevention, and health benefits.
But a waste of time? As opposed to doing nothing at all? No. If the demands of vanity get you off your ass, that's great. That's what 95% of people in the gym are doing there. They wouldn't call themselves bodybuilders, because that connotes drugged physiques, but physique enhancement is their only goal. I applaud them for not being at peace with turning into a damn slob.
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A lot of oldtimers are pissed that drugs have become so prevalent in society. When I started training I started at a "natural" gym that had occasional unannounced drug testing due to being a gym that housed IPF lifters. The 65 year old owner looked at us kids with a microscope for signs of steroid use LOL. But all these gyms "fell" because society decided it wants its drugs. I still see this old generation on social media decrying the state of things, still warning the youngsters of drugs. They have somewhat of a point wrt the real dangers that reckless drug use posseses. But at the same time they know enhanced old drug users can look so great and can cheat normal aging biology, the naturals just can't keep up, and it pisses them off.
The super-physiological human is here, there are drugs to enhance humans on every level, even cognitively and things are advancing fast. PEDs, including steroids, will allow people to live active lives longer while looking better. All sorts of strategies are being put in place to avoid the pitfalls of drugs, lots of different bloodwork and drugs that protect the health of users are being implemented. There will never be less drugs or more "natural" living, which the oldtimers have to come to grips with, it's just how things will be. Why have sagging skin, deteriorating joints and muscles when you don't have to thanks to science?
Here in Sweden cops are still attempt to fight evolution and PED use but it will be useless, HRT clinics are starting to pop up, following the trends in the US.
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A lot of oldtimers are pissed that drugs have become so prevalent in society. When I started training I started at a "natural" gym that had occasional unannounced drug testing due to being a gym that housed IPF lifters. The 65 year old owner looked at us kids with a microscope for signs of steroid use LOL. But all these gyms "fell" because society decided it wants its drugs. I still see this old generation on social media decrying the state of things, still warning the youngsters of drugs. They have somewhat of a point wrt the real dangers that reckless drug use posseses. But at the same time they know enhanced old drug users can look so great and can cheat normal aging biology, the naturals just can't keep up, and it pisses them off.
The super-physiological human is here, there are drugs to enhance humans on every level, even cognitively and things are advancing fast. PEDs, including steroids, will allow people to live active lives longer while looking better. All sorts of strategies are being put in place to avoid the pitfalls of drugs, lots of different bloodwork and drugs that protect the health of users are being implemented. There will never be less drugs or more "natural" living, which the oldtimers have to come to grips with, it's just how things will be. Why have sagging skin, deteriorating joints and muscles when you don't have to thanks to science?
Here in Sweden cops are still attempt to fight evolution and PED use but it will be useless, HRT clinics are starting to pop up, following the trends in the US.
Good post ! this is the truth.
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Natural bodybuilding is the fountain of youth. Most definitely not a waste.
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Some good about bb
Hower 95 percent of lifting is not constructive waste of time , only good for blood flow but no gains in power
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Natural bodybuilding is the fountain of youth. Most definitely not a waste.
That and keeping the same hairline you had 30 years ago.
Fucker.
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That and keeping the same hairline you had 30 years ago.
Fucker.
Haha...exactly!
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I'm 61 years old and look like I've never touched a weight in my life despite 35+ years of constant training :'( but I do have extraordinarily great hair ;D
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Bodybuilding is a great endeavor. You can do it for 50 years or more and look and feel better than 99.9% of your peers. The benefits of consistent training and dieting should be well-known to those on this board. Whether you chose to enhance your training with hormones is up to you but the benefits are great and should be considered in the same way as you would taking any supplement or medication. There are benefits and drawbacks. And for literally millions of people, in all walks of life, the benefits of hormone therapy far outweigh the drawbacks. If you want to learn more there are plenty of legitimate medical doctors on YouTube and elsewhere that can start you out on the path of knowledge in this regard. Setting aside all of the celebrity examples in movies and sports I personally know tons of very successful people who have been using hormones for decades with no ill-effects
The OP, and his ilk, remind me of the hysterical anti-marijuana crowd from back in the day. They use ancedotal evidence to support their position and condemn anyone who dares suggest that marijuana may be no worse than alcohol, which they usually consume freely, and may actually be a much better mind-altering alternative than booze (I consume neither but don’t have any feelings towards anyone who does so responsibly). The choice isn’t just between recklessly consuming “the roids” in a dirty gym locker room or doing nothing at all, there is also a choice to use hormones responsibly, similar in some ways to how one would use marijuana for medicinal purposes. Young teenage girls are put on hormones for birth control purposes. Are there possible adverse effects? Perhaps; but millions chose to use them anyway because society has essentially decided that the good outweighs the bad. The stories of hormone abuse that you hear about are just like the stories we heard about for years about how marijuana use would destroy your life. Of course, these stories would be interrupted by commercials for cigarettes and alcohol, which was just fine and even considered good for you, in the case of cigarettes, at one point.
So definitely bodybuild. You’ll feel great. And if you want to look and feel even better add some hormones if you so chose. Exercise your free will while you still have some. The look and feel you want is not unattainable at virtually any age. Get good doctors to monitor you, just like you would if you were taking any medication, follow a good diet, and avoid extreme behaviors; you’ll be happy you did.
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I'm 61 years old and look like I've never touched a weight in my life despite 35+ years of constant training :'( but I do have extraordinarily great hair ;D
Another myth. Hairline and growth is almost all due to genetic disposition. Yes, there are some harsh compounds that can mess with your hair but that is only temporary in most cases and if you value your hair then you would stop taking those compounds. On the other hand, if you have good hair genetics, like Lou Ferrigno for example, there’s almost nothing you can take that will wreck it. Trust me on this one. The guys who complain that they lost their hair because they took some test and Deca are delusional. That hair was going if the only thing they consumed was protein powder.
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Another myth. Hairline and growth is almost all due to genetic disposition. Yes, there are some harsh compounds that can mess with your hair but that is only temporary in most cases and if you value your hair then you would stop taking those compounds. On the other hand, if you have good hair genetics, like Lou Ferrigno for example, there’s almost nothing you can take that will wreck it. Trust me on this one. The guys who complain that they lost their hair because they took some test and Deca are delusional. That hair was going if the only thing they consumed was protein powder.
Good hair genetics I got. If I were smart, I'd do like the rest of the shitheads do and promote some new wonder supplement that will improve your hair. "Just look at me!"
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Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.
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Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.
man what a cry baby :D
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man what a cry baby :D
I think he’s being sarcastic m8
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Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.
I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.
This is the only real reason I go on FaceBook - to laugh at all the fatties ;D
I think he’s being sarcastic m8
This. Dave D is a master of the subtle 'feint' to draw people into a response ;D
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Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.
Taking an ace from the bottom of the deck playing cards with your wife is cheating but its not against the law...
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Whether I was on or off gear I always trained as heavy and as fast as possible and always looked in shape............I loved to train hard and push myself at all times.
Never relied solely on gear.
If I was off completely for a lengthly period of time,I lost a bit of power and a bit of hardness but not really all that much......the proper diet gives you a low bodyfat %.
I never was a good responder so never got huge........... and I never took huge amounts for long periods of time.
When I had no contest in sight,I sometimes came off completely or was on tiny dosages,and still looked OK.
The only time I took large amounts was before a contest and only for a short time period during my prep..............I would build up to the larger dose then taper back....... down at the end of my cycle or during the middle of it.
I never relied on the juice but I liked the look,strength,and feeling it gave me,and I never had any problems with my internal organs from using it.
If used along with using your brain,there should be no adverse affects.
A lot of guys are scared to take gear and others do not want to break the law..................... .all good.
Do whatever you choose to do,but training and eating right is never a waste of time whether enhanced or not.
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Taking an ace from the bottom of the deck playing cards with your wife is cheating but its not against the law...
Im on 17 different LEGALLY PRESCRIBED medications. I dont need illegal steroids that are bad for me. I plan on living for a long time because of my healthy lifestyle.
Also I dont "cheat" at games, on my taxes, on the speed limit, at work or anything else for that matter. If theres a law its obeyed. These rules are for everyone's safety. If you have to cheat to win you're really a loser.
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Im on 17 different LEGALLY PRESCRIBED medications. I dont need illegal steroids that are bad for me. I plan on living for a long time because of my healthy lifestyle.
Also I dont "cheat" at games, on my taxes, on the speed limit, at work or anything else for that matter. If theres a law its obeyed. These rules are for everyone's safety. If you have to cheat to win you're really a loser.
you have never done 31 in a 30?
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
I'm not reading a book
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I touched a nerve?
You did, you insulted the greatest sport in the world (and I'm natty)
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Natural training is one of the best things you can do for yourself. We are all addicted to the iron for life and I don't see that as a bad thing. The fact that we have to temper our expectations sucks but on the positive side training to our genetic limitation isn't very hard to do. After you hit your peak, just maintain. Never compete as a natural because you lose all your muscle to dieting.
The irony is that a natural bodybuilder can get to be 200 lbs+, have a six pack (which requires a low body fat level) and a bench of 500 lbs+ and and deadlift of 750 lbs if he has elite genetics, but it will take many years of smart training
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oldtimer1 is an old fuck who admits he is not a bodybuilder but on his training threads always talks about the amount of booze he drinks. ::)
always rambles on about how much he drunk, how much he hates it but still drinks. Then complains he has trouble running. an alcoholic calling us drug users. gotta love getbig !
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60 minutes did a special on this guy who created a little motor no smaller than a D cell battery that fit into the support of the bike. Gave the riders maybe 15 minutes of power, enough to help them excel in the mountains. Funny enough, this is where Lance seemed to excel beyond the others. The creator without saying his name pretty much eluded that Lance paid him a ton to keep this tech exclusive to him and his team. They even showed how as soon as Lance finished a leg of the race, his bike was quickly taken and hidden so that no one could inspect it or find this device.
Lance cheated in a bunch of ways.
Lance is a pos
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300mg of test a week blows away the results from any shitty supplements at a fraction of a cost. Like jeffley said it’s all borrowed anyway gear or not it all goes away when you stop training so does it really matter if someone chooses to take gear or stay natural if what someone else does doesn't effect you it’s not worth giving a fuck about
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300mg of test a week blows away the results from any shitty supplements at a fraction of a cost. Like jeffley said it’s all borrowed anyway gear or not it all goes away when you stop training so does it really matter if someone chooses to take gear or stay natural if what someone else does doesn't effect you it’s not worth giving a fuck about
To make matters even worse, nothing matters in the end, because we all die in the end. Let that sink in
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Lance is a pos
A great American!
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The irony is that a natural bodybuilder can get to be 200 lbs+, have a six pack (which requires a low body fat level) and a bench of 500 lbs+ and and deadlift of 750 lbs if he has elite genetics, but it will take many years of smart training
What do you mean?
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Ooops! Yeah, I have no idea what dimension I was in when I wrote that! ;D ;D
Life is an illusion. The sooner you learn that the better
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What do you mean?
What I mean is there is this widespread believe that anyone with a bit of muscle is ''on something'' and a lot of times this is true! Even some slightly muscular male models are on something, so there is this widespread belief of ''anyone having over 15'' arms is on steroids'' the reality is that some men with really good genetics can build a lot of muscle and strength natty, but this requires years of smart training and elite genetics
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Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
Many of us grew up watching the incredible and he-man, etc, so we grew up wanting to have that hulk/he-man body
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Wow- ain't that the truth. My high school class has pics of the various reunions on Facebook and one thing stands out- the 10 year reunion people all looked pretty decent - still fairly in shape and lean, but at 20? Boom, like someone got hit with the fat stick, lol. The guys that were the top athletes in high school look worse than the your average sedentary slob. Literally 50+ pounds overweight. The women followed the same pattern- most of the hotties are now fat slobs.
I'd say less than 10% of the people I graduated with now look fit. It's appalling.
To me that would not be appalling, I'd be happy about that, because it would make me feel good about myself
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Im on 17 different LEGALLY PRESCRIBED medications. I dont need illegal steroids that are bad for me. I plan on living for a long time because of my healthy lifestyle.
Also I dont "cheat" at games, on my taxes, on the speed limit, at work or anything else for that matter. If theres a law its obeyed. These rules are for everyone's safety. If you have to cheat to win you're really a loser.
Wow! That is a lot of prescriptions. You must have some serious medical and/or mental conditions to need that many medications.
My late wife was on a lot of meds the last few years of her life. In her case literally everything except her liver was failing. I remember that it was such a balancing act between the various doctors and getting just the right combination of meds and dosages just to keep her functioning as best as possible.
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you have never done 31 in a 30?
Listen I may have broken a speed limit but NO ONE was hurt and I learned my lesson. Anytime I see someone speeding I’ll chase them down and ask what was their hurry? If the response is not a legitimate reason for doing something illegal I’ll let them know living in the fast lane is a one way ticket to an early grave.
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I'm 61 years old and look like I've never touched a weight in my life despite 35+ years of constant training :'( but I do have extraordinarily great hair ;D
I've always been natty but went completely bald, go figure
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300mg of test a week blows away the results from any shitty supplements at a fraction of a cost. Like jeffley said it’s all borrowed anyway gear or not it all goes away when you stop training so does it really matter if someone chooses to take gear or stay natural if what someone else does doesn't effect you it’s not worth giving a fuck about
Live and let live. -Works for me.
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I've always been natty but went completely bald, go figure
Genetics.
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Wow! That is a lot of prescriptions. You must have some serious medical and/or mental conditions to need that many medications.
My late wife was on a lot of meds the last few years of her life. In her case literally everything except her liver was failing. I remember that it was such a balancing act between the various doctors and getting just the right combination of meds and dosages just to keep her functioning as best as possible.
I’m a man. I’m assuming your wife was a woman so while I’m sorry for your loss I really don’t see what she has to do with me. I’m as healthy as a horse. I function normally.
My medications are my business. They are strictly for my health and well-being, not for vanity reasons like steroids are.
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Many of us grew up watching the incredible and he-man, etc, so we grew up wanting to have that hulk/he-man body
I used to read the comics, always wanted to look like Captain America, never the Hulk, and Skeletor had a better physique than He-Man
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I think he’s being sarcastic m8
This. Dave D is a master of the subtle 'feint' to draw people into a response ;D
Listen I may have broken a speed limit but NO ONE was hurt and I learned my lesson. Anytime I see someone speeding I’ll chase them down and ask what was their hurry? If the response is not a legitimate reason for doing something illegal I’ll let them know living in the fast lane is a one way ticket to an early grave.
;D
I rest my case 8)
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Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.
If you take prohormones you are not natty
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I used to read the comics, always wanted to look like Captain America, never the Hulk, and Skeletor had a better physique than He-Man
Tbh I felt like skeletor and he-man were about the same size, no?
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If you take prohormones you are not natty
Thanks Dr. Pamith. I’m drug free. Idk what “natty” even means. Weight lifting isn’t natural, farming is.
Tbh I felt like skeletor and he-man were about the same size, no?
Same exact size with different heads.
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Genetics.
The irony is that nobody in my family was bald, only recently one of my cousins became bald, fully bald like me (as bald as Danny Devito) but no uncle, no grandfather, nobody in my family was bald, they all had a full head of hair
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Tbh I felt like skeletor and he-man were about the same size, no?
Skeletor had him on condition..
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Thanks Dr. Pamith. I’m drug free. Idk what “natty” even means. Weight lifting isn’t natural, farming is.
Same exact size with different heads.
If you are taking prohormones you are NOT natty. Just face it, embrace it, you are an ''enhanced'' bodybuilder, nothing wrong with that
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The irony is that nobody in my family was bald, only recently one of my cousins became bald, fully bald like me (as bald as Danny Devito) but no uncle, no grandfather, nobody in my family was bald, they all had a full head of hair
my dad had a full head of hair until he died at 72, mines the same now, its not really altered since I was 20
Although when I was a kid it grew long and wavy, now its a lot drier and grows curly if I let it grow
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The irony is that a natural bodybuilder can get to be 200 lbs+, have a six pack (which requires a low body fat level) and a bench of 500 lbs+ and and deadlift of 750 lbs if he has elite genetics, but it will take many years of smart training
Yes, but you will never look like a bodybuilder, not one on gear anyway.
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If you are taking prohormones you are NOT natty. Just face it, embrace it, you are an ''enhanced'' bodybuilder, nothing wrong with that
Wrong.
I’m no longer bodybuilding. I’m weight training for health.
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Listen I may have broken a speed limit but NO ONE was hurt and I learned my lesson. Anytime I see someone speeding I’ll chase them down and ask what was their hurry? If the response is not a legitimate reason for doing something illegal I’ll let them know living in the fast lane is a one way ticket to an early grave.
You are a true badass
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You are a true badass
Why do you say that? I’ve never made any claims like this. You and I are a lot a like as drug free weight lifters.
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Yes, but you will never look like a bodybuilder, not one on gear anyway.
A man with great genetics can look like the bodybuilders of the 30s and 40s all natty. These bodybuilders were all natty, and many of them built big strong bodies. Steroids were introduced to bodybuilding in the year 1958. Paul Anderson achieved all his best lifts 100% natty, yes he was a fatass but it goes to show how strong a man can become 100% natty (over 800 lbs natty, over 600 lbs natty, etc) provided he has amazing genetics
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Why do you say that? I’ve never made any claims like this. You and I are a lot a like as drug free weight lifters.
It takes balls to chase strangers to tell them to slow down. Here in Florida you get shot for that
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Why do you say that? I’ve never made any claims like this. You and I are a lot a like as drug free weight lifters.
I'd just say you're a good man. From what I know of you here, that is true.
As for natural vs drugs? Most of us understand the truth of drugs but perhaps what bothers us most is how so many, if not all, drug users protest their genetic gift and say they are natural. Like Phildo "The Gift" Heath.
By the way, the word "gift" in German means "poison". Fits Heath to a T. ;D
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A man with great genetics can look like the bodybuilders of the 30s and 40s all natty. These bodybuilders were all natty, and many of them built big strong bodies. Steroids were introduced to bodybuilding in the year 1958. Paul Anderson achieved all his best lifts 100% natty, yes he was a fatass but it goes to show how strong a man can become 100% natty (over 800 lbs natty, over 600 lbs natty, etc) provided he has amazing genetics
Absolutely.
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By the way, the word "gift" in German means "poison". Fits Heath to a T. ;D
Same here in Sweden, Gift = Poison.
Are you saying Philippe "The Poison" Heathrow is akin to Venom Vince Versace?
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I’m a man. I’m assuming your wife was a woman so while I’m sorry for your loss I really don’t see what she has to do with me. I’m as healthy as a horse. I function normally.
My medications are my business. They are strictly for my health and well-being, not for vanity reasons like steroids are.
Did I offend you? Sorry.
Do illnesses differ greatly between the sexes? Both men and women can suffer cancer, heart conditions, kidney problems, diabetes etc. You shared that you take 17 different medications in a open forum. Posts are usually open to discussion. If you are sensitive about your health and medications, you probably should not have posted what you did regarding them. I didn't ask you what meds you are on or why you take them, I commented on the number of prescriptions you are taking, which seem like a lot.
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What meds are you on, Dave?
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I've always been natty but went completely bald, go figure
Hair loss is genetic, generally gear use only speeds it up if you were going to go bald anyways, i remember queuing for our local nightclub with my mates when we were 16 most of us hoping we would get in but one of our group was stannin there half bald already having started to lose it in high school the poor cunt
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Hair loss is genetic, generally gear use only speeds it up if you were going to go bald anyways, i remember queuing for our local nightclub with my mates when we were 16 most of us hoping we would get in but one of our group was stannin there half bald already having started to lose it in high school the poor cunt
Yup, going bald when your still in your teens is tough. I know this from personal experience. On the up side, it gives one a 'head' start on accepting it. I gave up trying to look like I had hair and got a buzz cut when I was in my early twenties. This is pretty much what I've done ever since. -Much better than a toupee or plugs.
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Yup, going bald when your still in your teens is tough. I know this from personal experience. On the up side, it gives one a 'head' start on accepting it. I gave up trying to look like I had hair and got a buzz cut when I was in my early twenties. This is pretty much what I've done ever since. -Much better than a toupee or plugs.
The irony is that I love being bald. Genetics or not, fact is nobody was bald in my family, I was the first one to go completely bald. I love being bald though, I know I'm not supposed to love it but idgaf. My Mom made me were braces to fix my crooked teeth when I was a teenager, now my teeth are perfect, but I wish I had my true, original crooked teeth. I don't believe in being ''like everyone else'', I believe in ''being myself''. I've seen hot girls with crooked teeth, it's a huge turn on for me, it basically says ''this is me, and I embrace who I am''
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What meds are you on, Dave?
Multiple Antibiotics, tylenol,mezparox, proctosol, analpram, various antipsychotics that counteract the side effects of one another and codeine cough syrup to help with my throat.
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Natty limit? Reeves and Park circa 1950.
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I do have to say bodybuilding gave me a discipline they transcends throughout many aspects of my life.
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Multiple Antibiotics, tylenol,mezparox, proctosol, analpram, various antipsychotics that counteract the side effects of one another and codeine cough syrup to help with my throat.
;D
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The best thing that came out of "bodybuilding" for me is that it led to me learning more about diet, nutrition and supplementation (non roids). I don't think I'd have paid much attention to those things were it not for bodybuilding.
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Natty limit? Reeves and Park circa 1950.
Great natties (allegedly), big strong natties, but Mike O'hearn is bigger
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I know for a fact those are performance enhancing briefs.
Not natty.
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Multiple Antibiotics, tylenol,mezparox, proctosol, analpram, various antipsychotics that counteract the side effects of one another and codeine cough syrup to help with my throat.
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The best thing that came out of "bodybuilding" for me is that it led to me learning more about diet, nutrition and supplementation (non roids). I don't think I'd have paid much attention to those things were it not for bodybuilding.
Simply not getting fat as you hit middle age improves quality of life.
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I'm not on any meds bro.
I thought this thread was interesting because steroids are universally hated by non users. I used to feel the same way but as I've gotten older I think there are benefits for most men to use them.
15-20 years ago I'd never ever consider using PED's, today I would consider their use if they could improve my life.
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Same here in Sweden, Gift = Poison.
Are you saying Philippe "The Poison" Heathrow is akin to Venom Vince Versace?
Could be...They're both nellie looking idiots ;D. Heath wth his murse and Vince with his her Vissy.
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I'm not on any meds bro.
I thought this thread was interesting because steroids are universally hated by non users. I used to feel the same way but as I've gotten older I think there are benefits for most men to use them.
15-20 years ago I'd never ever consider using PED's, today I would consider their use if they could improve my life.
I was concerned about you taking those procto-anal meds...
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I was concerned about you taking those procto-anal meds...
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I know for a fact those are performance enhancing briefs.
Not natty.
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Thanks Dr. Pamith. I’m drug free. Idk what “natty” even means. Weight lifting isn’t natural, farming is.
Same exact size with different heads.
What about your 17 prescriptions?
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Natty limit? Reeves and Park circa 1950.
That's legit.
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Dave D dropping the truth up in this biotch!
Shit, "bodybuilding" (oh brother) is all about genetics anyway.
Same way my brother was completely bald at 32 and never lifted a weight in his life. I still have 80% of my hair at 44 and i've been using AAS for 14 years, up to 5g's of combined AAS for up to 8 months. Blast and cruised for 8 years.
What a monster! Where's your "pics" bro!
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I'd just say you're a good man. From what I know of you here, that is true.
As for natural vs drugs? Most of us understand the truth of drugs but perhaps what bothers us most is how so many, if not all, drug users protest their genetic gift and say they are natural. Like Phildo "The Gift" Heath
By the way, the word "gift" in German means "poison". Fits Heath to a T. ;D
Thanks Scott. Glad you’re posting!
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What about your 17 prescriptions?
I quit them ALL. Cold turkey.
It’s been 14 hours since I’ve had a pill or cream and I feel so alive!
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DHS Concerns Hotline number pls anyone?
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Multiple Antibiotics, tylenol,mezparox, proctosol, analpram, various antipsychotics that counteract the side effects of one another and codeine cough syrup to help with my throat.
Even old women don't take that many drugs. You need to reduce the stress in your life. Why not take it out on others here to make yourself feel better?
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He looks great with his 165lbs to 170lbs body at around 5'8". I doubt he is juicing year round now.
LOL! Test is always there. Other products in and out over the year.
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I've never used steroids, only SARMS.
Towards the end of my first Ostarine 8 week cycle I looked the best I had in my life and was training consistently, but nowhere as hard and as much as I did naturally. There was no comparison, I could have trained 5 days a week for a year and had a perfect diet and would still not be at that level with a full look and as lean.
Then when I used RAD-140 for 12 weeks I gained 11 kilos while staying relatively lean, did not get the hard look of some steroids, but it gave me permanent muscle gains. 7 months later, even though I dieted down naturally and lost a lot of weight, I now look a lot more muscular than I did before.
I had more time to train with the lockdowns, but now I have more important things to worry about than bodybuilding so my time allocated to it is less.
But I will still not stop training, though my focus is now to stay lean, fit and healthy instead of gaining size. Bodybuilding, focusing on the healthier side of it, is definitely worth it.
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But I will still not stop training, though my focus is now to stay lean, fit and healthy instead of gaining size. Bodybuilding, focusing on the healthier side of it, is definitely worth it.
Have you forgotten you are on Getbig? When I train it is always with the intention of gaining more size. That is the way to get and stay healthy. Forget all those drugs.
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Have you forgotten you are on Getbig? When I train it is always with the intention of gaining more size. That is the way to get and stay healthy. Forget all those drugs.
yes but you have only gained fat. from age & a shit diet.
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yes but you have only gained fat. from age & a shit diet.
I'm sure you will be big and ripped at 70.
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Even old women don't take that many drugs. You need to reduce the stress in your life. Why not take it out on others here to make yourself feel better?
Firstly I don’t appreciate your sexist comment that is degrading to women and the elderly.
Vince no offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. I’ll trust my well educated doctor’s and recommendations over your suggestions.
If these medications were going to cause me harm or even death my doctor would realize that he’s costing himself money. If we can’t trust the science behind Big Pharma then there’s not much we can trust.
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And...your point is?
You think there wasn't a crapload of drugs available in the 70s? Yes, there wasn't insulin or GH. Tren was unheard of.
It was way easier to get stuff back then. Pharm grade stuff. Nothing was made in some guy's basement or in a Chinese lab.
Guys were doing stacks of 4 or 5 steroids then.
I don't think OT is saying he thinks drugs aren't available. They are easily available today in the U.S. illegally.
It's been shown that many drugs available today are not what they say they are. You trust the Chinese underground labs?
You're dealing with criminals.
Another thing...people think 'roids were legal back in the 70s & early 80s.
Heck, they were illegal back in the 70s to get unless you had a doctor's prescription.
So, if you want to do them then or now you have to break the law.
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Were you around during the late 70s early 80s trying to score gear? It wasn't that easy. You had to know somebody or be part of the inner circle or you had to take a trip to Mexico. And what you could get was limited. Doesn't matter if it was legal or illegal, it was access that mattered. Today you can get anything you want delivered to your door or PO box. And not only that, quality is better than ever before. It has now become very easy and affordable to get gear tested. The whole HGH game has changed because of testing. You can get an IGF or HGH serum test through the internet no script required, no questions asked
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I'm in the US so they are illegal. Personally, I think adults should do whatever drugs they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else.
Everybody is entitled to f*ck themselves up. Drink booze, smoke pot, do steroids, whatever. Make your own choices.
Again, it has nothing to do with legality. It was access that matter. It is far easier to get any kind of compound you want. No more Animal's kits to convert Fina pellets.
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The irony is that I love being bald. Genetics or not, fact is nobody was bald in my family, I was the first one to go completely bald. I love being bald though, I know I'm not supposed to love it but idgaf. My Mom made me were braces to fix my crooked teeth when I was a teenager, now my teeth are perfect, but I wish I had my true, original crooked teeth. I don't believe in being ''like everyone else'', I believe in ''being myself''. I've seen hot girls with crooked teeth, it's a huge turn on for me, it basically says ''this is me, and I embrace who I am''
Two famous women came to mind when you mentioned crooked teeth; Lauren Hutton and Madonna. Their's aren't crooked, they have a gap between their front teeth. Some famous men do too.
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For the most part, I like being bald too. My head is decently shaped which helps. It's easy and cheap to maintain. I also admire people my age who have really great hair.
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Look, natural or enhanced, its all false, your body eats away at your tissue to get you to what is normal for a human being, by lifting weights you are going against your natural state, eventually it all goes , and then you die, so who fucking cares how you do it?
Exactly! And something I say all the time. Since when has squatting with hundreds of pounds on your shoulders been considered natural? And natural or enhanced, once you stop you go back to being a jelly doughboy. And even if you never stop you will still waste away. Nothing lasts forever. Nothing.
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Remember when Arnold was governor of California for 8 years? He could have changed the law re steroids and other bodybuilding drugs. He could have but did nothing...he became a politician after all. Botox is a deadly drug but people take it for cosmetic reasons. Something not right here. Steroids don't belong in the prohibited group with cocaine, heroin, etc.
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Remember when Arnold was governor of California for 8 years? He could have changed the law re steroids and other bodybuilding drugs. He could have but did nothing...he became a politician after all. Botox is a deadly drug but people take it for cosmetic reasons. Something not right here. Steroids don't belong in the prohibited group with cocaine, heroin, etc.
Arnold soured on even many bodybuilding fans for many reasons, he's not the manly man we thought he was :D
I believe steroids are on the way out of that classification due to the reasons I mentioned earlier, I don't think the availability would be so great if they really wanted them gone from society. In fact I think hard drugs too are on the way to become decriminalized in the west. It's enough to make you bit of a conspiacy theorist, what's the goal here, making all of society drugged out? :D Though I kind of think decriminalization might not increase hard-drug use in the long run.
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Competitive bodybuilding natural or other requires drugs, one you have to beat the test the other you dont have to. Training for life as in non competitive bodybuilding is one of the best things you can do in life for both physical and mental health. Just have to stay balanced on your approach. Its your body and your life do with it as you please but accept the consequences of your actions.
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Yes but if you use steroids you're cheating. I know this because steroids are against the law. That's why I'll only use legal supplements like protein, creatine and pro hormones.
LOL! This is the funniest one of all -- "cheating". Cheating who? Legality is a whole different issue. Are you cheating when you speed? Are you cheating when you smoke weed or drive drunk? And steroids are not against the law. I have a script for Deca that I can use anytime I want. Please educate yourself because you "don't know this."
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This is the only real reason I go on FaceBook - to laugh at all the fatties ;D
This. Dave D is a master of the subtle 'feint' to draw people into a response ;D
He got me hook, line and sinker. Well played.
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I'm sure you will be big and ripped at 70.
Just needs to maintain, bro.
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Were you around during the late 70s early 80s trying to score gear? It wasn't that easy. You had to know somebody or be part of the inner circle or you had to take a trip to Mexico. And what you could get was limited. Doesn't matter if it was legal or illegal, it was access that mattered. Today you can get anything you want delivered to your door or PO box. And not only that, quality is better than ever before. It has now become very easy and affordable to get gear tested. The whole HGH game has changed because of testing. You can get an IGF or HGH serum test through the internet no script required, no questions asked
Let's see...do I want to get in a internet argument with Pellius that will go on and on for the next 10 pages...nah.
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Remember when Arnold was governor of California for 8 years? He could have changed the law re steroids and other bodybuilding drugs. He could have but did nothing...he became a politician after all. Botox is a deadly drug but people take it for cosmetic reasons. Something not right here. Steroids don't belong in the prohibited group with cocaine, heroin, etc.
Governors can't just change laws as they see fit without the state house and senate.
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Governors can't just change laws as they see fit without the state house and senate.
I doubt if Arnold wanted to bring up the subject of drugs. his past with schmoe posing ..etc
I mean who would in his position his reputation he destroyed himself with his affairs.
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I doubt if Arnold wanted to bring up the subject of drugs. his past with schmoe posing ..etc
I mean who would in his position his reputation he destroyed himself with his affairs.
He covered up his past as much as he could.
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He covered up his past as much as he could.
just could not control his large ego. brought him success but also tarnished him. Now he´s a Globalist bitch. his video about Trump was really the last nail. posing with hin Conan sword. what a chump !
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just could not control his large ego. brought him success but also tarnished him. Now he´s a Globalist bitch. his video about Trump was really the last nail. posing with hin Conan sword. what a chump !
It’s like once you get into that club a door closes behind you and you can’t get out, probably because too many people have too much dirt on you.
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Governors can't just change laws as they see fit without the state house and senate.
Yeah if it weren't for checks and balances they could just make up any old shit and call it a law.
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bodybuilding is a great foundation upon which all things can mature grow and succeed
if you can succeed in bodybuilding at a relatively high level one can apply the discipline in any endeavor
business , life, relationships ect
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bodybuilding is a great foundation upon which all things can mature grow and succeed
if you can succeed in bodybuilding at a relatively high level one can apply the discipline in any endeavor
business , life, relationships ect
hey epicfuckwit, josh is still waiting for a reply
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hey epicfuckwit, josh is still waiting for a reply
so easy to hate isnt it
much harder to love
who is josh?
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it's true Arnold had 5 heart surgeries due to heart enlargement from steroids.
He would be dead a long time ago if it wasn't for him being rich and able to afford top of the line heart surgeons.
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so easy to hate isnt it
much harder to love
who is josh?
no, both take equal amounts of effort
and its the guy you slated who now cant respond..
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If you consider getting all the female attention a waste - then yes, BB is a waste... 8)
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If you consider getting all the female attention a waste - then yes, BB is a waste... 8)
i dont think gerald cares much for female attention anyway. Also he's 6'3 deff too tall to bodybuild
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LOL! This is the funniest one of all -- "cheating". Cheating who? Legality is a whole different issue. Are you cheating when you speed? Are you cheating when you smoke weed or drive drunk? And steroids are not against the law. I have a script for Deca that I can use anytime I want. Please educate yourself because you "don't know this."
Barry Bonds. Roger Clemons. Lance Armstrong. These men aren’t considered champions but they are considered cheaters. Why because they broke rules.
When you drive drunk or high you’re an a$$hole because you’re putting other lives at risk due to your impaired cognitive abilities.
I’m glad you have prescribed medication for your low testosterone.
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I agree 100%....It's a sport for drug addicts who don't know how to put on muscle without chemicals. Posers. phonies, frauds...
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I agree 100%....It's a sport for drug addicts who don't know how to put on muscle without chemicals. Posers. phonies, frauds...
OK could you be Mr O without juicing? it seems to be the old farts on here who are very bitter. The old drunks.
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Stop your drugs for 3 months and see what happens...
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Stop your drugs for 3 months and see what happens...
I would still be more ripped than you, fuck your wife too. I bet you can´t do it anymore
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OK could you be Mr O without juicing? it seems to be the old farts on here who are very bitter. The old drunks.
the right genetics combined with proper training and nutrition it is possible to have enough muscle to compete in the Mr. O. See young Ronnie Coleman for an example. Winning the contest is subject to the judging criteria. A lot of juicers compete in the contest and don’t win.
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the right genetics combined with proper training and nutrition it is possible to have enough muscle to compete in the Mr. O. See young Ronnie Coleman for an example. Winning the contest is subject to the judging criteria. A lot of juicers compete in the contest and don’t win.
Fuck off :D
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Taking drugs all the time other than for medical reasons is the definition of an addict.
If you're ok with being a drug addict so that you can have muscles then go for it.
Johnny Winter, the guitarist, was a heroin addict for just about all his adult life. He never beat his addiction and took methadone every day.
He said he loved it.
Only the naive believe Ronnie Coleman, as gifted genetically as he is, competed at the highest levels as a natty.
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OK could you be Mr O without juicing? it seems to be the old farts on here who are very bitter. The old drunks.
Who cares about being Mr. O?
You'd have to take boatloads of drugs and carry little containers of food around with you all the time so you can eat 6 times a day, then get up at 2AM and eat more.
Nobody outside of schmoes and homosexuals gives a crap about it.
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Remember when Arnold was governor of California for 8 years? He could have changed the law re steroids and other bodybuilding drugs. He could have but did nothing...he became a politician after all. Botox is a deadly drug but people take it for cosmetic reasons. Something not right here. Steroids don't belong in the prohibited group with cocaine, heroin, etc.
You probably already know this, but Botox has legitimate medical uses besides cosmetics. It is also used to treat conditions such as neck spasms, excessive sweating, overactive bladder and lazy eye. Botox injections may also help prevent chronic migraines. It know for a fact that it helps with migraines. But even when it is used for these purposes, there can be side effects.....much like there are with most medications.
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Let's see...do I want to get in a internet argument with Pellius that will go on and on for the next 10 pages...nah.
Make that 100 pages. LOL!
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OK could you be Mr O without juicing? it seems to be the old farts on here who are very bitter. The old drunks.
I resent that comparison. I could care less what other people put into their bodies to grow their muscles and I am definitely an old fart....but not a drunk one. ;)
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Who cares about being Mr. O?
Getbiggers care! We haven't yet even processed Arnold's 1980 win! We even care about Mike Mentzer's mustache, and he never even won the O.
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Only the naive believe Ronnie Coleman, as gifted genetically as he is, competed at the highest levels as a natty.
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The IFBB has testing for this kind of thing. You’d be surprised what 3 months of hardcore training would do for you.
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The IFBB has testing for this kind of thing. You’d be surprised what 3 months of hardcore training would do for you.
Yes, Ronnie had "elite" African American warrior genetics.
As a kid when i lived in the hood, i saw guys like him walking around on a daily basis. Only doing a few pushups every few days and eating one meal of fried chicken with collard greens.
Lot's of haters in this thread. Just because you can't do, doesn't mean a truly gifted man with "elite" genetics can't.
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I would still be more ripped than you, fuck your wife too. I bet you can´t do it anymore
LOL....A ripped 120....I've seen lots of surfers and black guys who were ripped and didn't even lift.
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Let's see...do I want to get in a internet argument with Pellius that will go on and on for the next 10 pages...Nah.
If we don't resolve it in 9 years pages I'll concede.
Btw, there are 13 year olds that juice because of easy access over the net today. Even gymbag parking lot pushers drew the line at kids back in good old days.
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The IFBB has testing for this kind of thing. You’d be surprised what 3 months of hardcore training would do for you.
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If we don't resolve it in 9 years pages I'll concede.
Btw, there are 13 year olds that juice because of easy access over the net today. Even gymbag parking lot pushers drew the line at kids back in good old days.
You've made some good points and I'm man enough to admit my inaccuracies. Got caught up in the excitement of Getbig.
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Barry Bonds. Roger Clemons. Lance Armstrong. These men aren’t considered champions but they are considered cheaters. Why because they broke rules.
When you drive drunk or high you’re an a$$hole because you’re putting other lives at risk due to your impaired cognitive abilities.
I’m glad you have prescribed medication for your low testosterone.
Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.
Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.
I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.
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the right genetics combined with proper training and nutrition it is possible to have enough muscle to compete in the Mr. O. See young Ronnie Coleman for an example. Winning the contest is subject to the judging criteria. A lot of juicers compete in the contest and don’t win.
I'm not quite sure what part of these two statements is the most stupid. Getting to the O natural or that Ronnie got to the O as a natural.
It is really breathtaking that at this point in time when bbing and sports, in general, have been exposed for the amount of PEDS used that there would still be a person this naive.
The last statement's stupidity is exceeded only by its hilarity and meaninglessness. Most juicers compete and don't win anything, as in every sport. So the point is?
How old are you, Dave?
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Who cares about being Mr. O?
You'd have to take boatloads of drugs and carry little containers of food around with you all the time so you can eat 6 times a day, then get up at 2AM and eat more.
Nobody outside of schmoes and homosexuals gives a crap about it.
In the real world, thousands. Thousands of people all over the world have aspirations to become Mr. Olympia and will do just about anything and everything to achieve that goal. Now more than ever before.
I wouldn't do it and you wouldn't do it but the world isn't determined what we would or would not do. And you can say that about a ton of other sports. Do you really know what a gymnastic competitor has to go through to be successful in such an exceedingly short career with little financial return on her efforts? Or what an MMA fighter has to endure on a daily basis?
A normal, comfortable, everyday life is not for everybody. It is for most. Just not for everybody.
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The IFBB has testing for this kind of thing. You’d be surprised what 3 months of hardcore training would do for you.
I assume you speak from experience. Can you post a pic and surprise us at the level of development you have achieved as a natural?
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Yes, Ronnie had "elite" African American warrior genetics.
As a kid when i lived in the hood, i saw guys like him walking around on a daily basis. Only doing a few pushups every few days and eating one meal of fried chicken with collard greens.
Lot's of haters in this thread. Just because you can't do, doesn't mean a truly gifted man with "elite" genetics can't.
This is the truth. Go to any inner-city neighbor and check out the basketball courts. Abs and traps flexing hard. All from KFC and running from the cops.
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You've made some good points and I'm man enough to admit my inaccuracies. Got caught up in the excitement of Getbig.
Getbig gets me excited, too. Especially reading some of Walter Sobcock's posts.
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LOL....A ripped 120....I've seen lots of surfers and black guys who were ripped and didn't even lift.
Edit : Bigger& more ripped than you.
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Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.
Federally it's a Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.
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Im far more turned on by an ugly woman with a hot body like this, than a pretty woman with a hot body.
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Pellius falling for Dave's satire, hook, line and sinker. ;D
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Im far more turned on by an ugly woman with a hot body like this, than a pretty woman with a hot body.
probably because you think you have a bigger chance of bedding her due to the butterface.. so you get turned on by that.
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Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.
Federally it's a Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.
Except here where in November 2020 Oregonians voted Measure 110, also known as the Drug Addiction Treatment and Recovery act into law by a majority of more than 58%, meaning personal, noncommercial possession of illegal drugs will be considered no more than a Class E violation, subject to a fine of no more than $100 or, under certain circumstances, completion of a health assessment. In addition to cocaine and heroin, the drugs include methamphetamine, oxycodone (without a prescription), opium, LSD, anabolic steroids, tranquilizers and peyote.
Guess this means a lot of juicing bodybuilders will be moving to Oregon. LOL!
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Except here where in November 2020 Oregonians voted Measure 110, also known as the Drug Addiction Treatment and Recovery act into law by a majority of more than 58%, meaning personal, noncommercial possession of illegal drugs will be considered no more than a Class E violation, subject to a fine of no more than $100 or, under certain circumstances, completion of a health assessment. In addition to cocaine and heroin, the drugs include methamphetamine, oxycodone (without a prescription), opium, LSD, anabolic steroids, tranquilizers and peyote.
Guess this means a lot of juicing bodybuilders will be moving to Oregon. LOL!
You will still be open to federal charges.
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Bodybuilding as a training method is great to build muscle the first 5 years or so. After that - unless you are competing - to me at least - it’s boring and monotonous.
Once you build a muscle base - it’s best to round out capabilities and be more complete.
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You will still be open to federal charges.
Sure. But from what I've read, the feds aren't interested unless you are a dealer.
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Sure. But from what I've read, the feds aren't interested unless you are a dealer.
The Feds only get involved if you are selling across state or international border.
Most states possession is a misdemeanor.
I know a few dozen people who have gotten caught with gear, it's not a big deal. They seize it and write you a ticket. If you have more than 5 vials they can decide to prosecute you for intent to distribute. The amount you have varies by state. The only guys i know who got arrested on site had 10+ vials and some tablets.
Steroids are like weed, most Cops aren't looking for the average user, but if they find it you might get a ticket or arrested, depends on the Cop. They are looking for the sources, which are typically handled by the Feds because all of them ship across state lines.
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The Feds only get involved if you are selling across state or international border.
Most states possession is a misdemeanor.
I know a few dozen people who have gotten caught with gear, it's not a big deal. They seize it and write you a ticket. If you have more than 5 vials they can decide to prosecute you for intent to distribute. The amount you have varies by state. The only guys i know who got arrested on site had 10+ vials and some tablets.
Steroids are like weed, most Cops aren't looking for the average user, but if they find it you might get a ticket or arrested, depends on the Cop. They are looking for the sources, which are typically handled by the Feds because all of them ship across state lines.
Not only that, but I've heard that many cops are juicers themselves. The ones that work out where I do, certainly look like they've enjoyed a little chemical assistance.
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Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.
Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.
I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.
I don't like the fact that Bonds and Clemens have both been demonized on here say. Neither one has ever been confirmed to have failed a drug test. Same with Sammy Sosa. Nor have they ever admitted to it. I'm certain they've used them but could care less. I hate how McGuire and A-Rod who have both either been popped or admitted to it are somehow baseball darlings again.
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa should all be in the HOF. I'd let Pete Rose in too but other than having his statue and memorabilia in Cooperstown, he should be banned for life from baseball.
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Not only that, but I've heard that many cops are juicers themselves. The ones that work out where I do, certainly look like they've enjoyed a little chemical assistance.
I've seen a lot of jacked Cops over the years. There were 4 of them that trained at my old gym and they were obviously on gear.
Doesn't surprise me much. A lot of Cops don't follow the rules. I don't really have a problem with that, but if some jacked up Cop tried to give me a ticket for having a few vials on me, i'd say something. ;D
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Steroids without a prescription is a felony under Federal laws and many state laws. In NJ it's a felony.
Federally it's a Schedule III controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act, which makes the possession of such substances without a prescription a federal crime punishable by up to seven years in prison.
The average gym rat wont get in too much trouble at all.
It`s the guys like a few I`ve known that literally had 3-4 Lawn/Leaf bags full all the time....24/7... that`ll get fucked.
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probably because you think you have a bigger chance of bedding her due to the butterface.. so you get turned on by that.
It's actually probably more difficult bedding a butterface like her cos they are sick of men hitting it and never calling them again, so they constantly have a guard up.
I think I like butterfaces more cos they are easier to quit. When a woman is really attractive, has a hot body and likes me, I feel almost obliged to put her on lock and commit. That's pretty gay, so I must be subconsciously trying to avoid it.
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Um, they broke the rules within a specific sporting organization. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. In bbing, it is understood by everybody that you have to take PEDS to be competitive. No one considers Ramy a cheater because he won the O while using PEDS.
Steroids are not illegal. You said they were and you are wrong. Sure taking prescription medication without a script is against the law but no one considers it cheating. People buy insulin from Canada over the net every day. No one is going to jail for using a vial of Humalog.
I don't think you can speak for everyone regarding the championship status of Bond, Clemons, or Armstrong but I think that even if they could have foreseen into the future that they would have gotten caught and disgraced using PEDS they would have still done it. The quality of life they were and are able to afford while being professional athletes even though disgraced far surpassed what they would have achieved punching a clock and working a regular job.
Let me point out ANABOLIC Steroids are illegal without a prescription. You can go to jail for selling and purchasing anabolics without a prescription. Same as with OxyContin, Vicodin or other drugs in their class. If you possess insulin, Tylenol 3 or cortisone (a steroid) you won’t.
Likewise Alcohol isn’t illegal. It is if you’re under the age of 21. It is illegal to use alcohol and drive.
So you can use anabolic steroids under 1 condition, having a legal prescription. Possession or use of them without a prescription can result in jail time. Does it always? No. Just like someone who gets drunk at a restaurant and drives off but doesn’t get pulled over isn’t going to suffer legal ramifications. But anabolic steroids are illegal without a prescription, it’s foolish to say they aren’t.
As far as the IFBB, they can’t make an item that is against the law to posses (without meeting only one condition) legal to use. They can’t make their own laws that are opposed to the country that they operate in. So while other nations may not have made anabolic steroids illegal, in the US they are.
If states have different laws you are held to the laws of the state you’re in not the one you’re from. When you’re in Hawaii you drive the Hawaiian speed limit not California’s. So if you’re using anabolic steroids without a prescription you using illegal substances.
And while you’re at it taking prescription medication without a script is seen as cheating in many professional (and collegiate) sports. See adderall as an example.
And you’re correct I can’t speak for everyone, especially in this country. The three men I referred to were elite athletes without steroids. For better or worse they chose to use them. I honestly don’t have a problem with what they did but because not everyone who they competed against used the same drugs people believe they created an unfair playing field (mind you no one ever says genetics are unfair or that they create a non level playing field).
But your point of the money they made because they used illegal compounds makes up for any disgrace they might have suffered is a double edged sword. We can easily take that logic a step further and say the Democrats and Biden might have done questionable acts to win the Presidency but who cares, he won. Having a win at all costs mentally isn’t always in everyone’s best interest.
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I assume you speak from experience. Can you post a pic and surprise us at the level of development you have achieved as a natural?
You get worked up a lot here.
I’ve competed drug free in bodybuilding and strength events. Ive competed on a national level as a light heavy weight strongman. I’ve done well. Many have accused me of being on drugs and I took that as a compliment.
I’d like to think I would have been even better with drugs but I have no idea if that is really true. Life is the result of the choices we make and I have no regrets with mine.
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I've been around bodybuilding for over 50 years. Weider use to be located blocks from my childhood house. He use to give me free magazines that started this obsession. I started lifting in my early teens and in my sixties the madness continues. I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when the secret of steroids were completely out of hiding. Seen guys lifting for an entire year look like nothing special then go on on a cycle for 6 week putting on an amazing amount of muscle. Back then steroids were made by legit pharmaceutical companies in the US and were obtained by a doctor script or driving to a pharmacy in Mexico without one. The gym steroid pushers had legitimate stuff back then. Now from what I hear drugs work or they don't according to where it was counterfeited. I don't believe any legit anavar, dianabol or Anadrol 50 exists anymore. Drugs that were truly anabolic steroids that have high anabolic properties and lower androgen properties I bet don't exist anymore. One Anadrol 50 a day made amazing and quick changes back in the day. Now I hear guys are taking 5 or 6 and look like bloated shit. It was the same old story repeated time and time again with drugs. A zero went to a hero in nothing flat popping some pills and a weekly syringe shot.
The crazy part are these "heroes" actually think they know something about lifting when I knew how they looked before the assist. Why didn't they give lifting and diet advice before the drugs? I will answer. No one would listen to them. It got to the point in the late 70's and into the 80's that it almost seemed the whole gym was juicing. Every gym seemed to have the local drug pusher. The typical stereotype was a guy in the gym that didn't have a job but drove there in a brand new car. Guys would talk to him in whispered measured speech and meet him in the parking lot where his trunk would open and syringes, vials and pills were passed after getting a handful of cash. It was known that he could also obtain any recreational drug. too. He also pushed veterinarian steroids like Winstrol V and Equipose that worked miracles on guys.
What I have seen are guys that got very aggressive, confident and a feeling of well being while on. Guys back then took breaks on cycles often staying completely clean for months. What happened once the drugs left their system is they got nervous, timid and depressed as the drugs left their system. Sounds like a plan for addiction.
Through the years I have seen ex users that look like they never did a push up in their life but are quick to take out a crumbled up picture of their glory days out of their wallet to show everyone. How many super stars look like complete crap without the assist? Too many to mention. Many will use the rationalization of a guy they know that has been cycling for decades and now never go completely off. It's like saying you know a smoker that started as a teen and is now 80. Yes, that can happen percentage wise but it doesn't negate the risk to health. I won't even mention liver, kidney, endocrine and cardio vascular problems. A fool can rationalize that away. You should always put the risk factors you can control in your favor.
Bodybuilding could have been the greatest thing you could do for appearance, health, well being and strength. Instead it became the sport based on drugs for the insecure. Without drugs the sport wouldn't exist as we know it. No one would be flying to Vegas for the Olympia weekend. Having said that I wish bodybuilding would revert to what it was in the 50's. It was real. Do yourself a favor. Lift hard and do hard cardio. Eat right. You will look great but you wouldn't be able to stand next to a steroid user on stage.
we get it, you don't like steroids
you have been saying this over and over again for well over a decade
you are like howard talking about all his wives and making fart jokes in the large majority of his posts
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I don't like the fact that Bonds and Clemens have both been demonized on here say. Neither one has ever been confirmed to have failed a drug test. Same with Sammy Sosa. Nor have they ever admitted to it. I'm certain they've used them but could care less. I hate how McGuire and A-Rod who have both either been popped or admitted to it are somehow baseball darlings again.
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa should all be in the HOF. I'd let Pete Rose in too but other than having his statue and memorabilia in Cooperstown, he should be banned for life from baseball.
I'm more offended by the repeated misspellings of "Clemens" in this thread.
There will be some slight getbig ranking adjustments.
I dislike how Bonds/Clemens/ARod are vilified, but Piazza, Pudge, and plenty of other users are in.
The HoF needs to own the steroid era as part of their history, and let the best of the best in.
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In these United States of America it is a fact that anabolic steroids are classified as a controlled substance. If you have a prescription for a controlled substance, it is also fact that when you are picking up your prescription for that controlled substance you must present identification and sign for the item(s).
I find it highlariously odd that any woman can get anabolic steroids via prescription if she convinces a doctor that she is really a man trapped in the body of a woman. Fuck That Noise.
And once more...with feeeeeling. I tend to think that most of us that are against steroids are disgusted by these charlatans that claim "natural" when they are anything but. They claim genetic superiority. Pffft!
I have known good men that have taken steroids and I have known good men that have not. I have also known assholes on both sides of that coin.
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I'm more offended by the repeated misspellings of "Clemens" in this thread.
There will be some slight getbig ranking adjustments.
I dislike how Bonds/Clemens/ARod are vilified, but Piazza, Pudge, and plenty of other users are in.
The HoF needs to own the steroid era as part of their history, and let the best of the best in.
Agree with all 4 points. Steroids or not, McGuire and Sosa brought baseball back from the brink.
Also, if anyone doesn't think Reggie Jackson was taking d-bol, deca, etc in the 70's, they are fooling themselves. I remember as a kid seeing him on an episode of different strokes wearing a polo shirt. Dude had ridiculous guns. Same for my boyhood idol Lance Parrish aka the Big Wheel. I met him as a young boy signing autographs at St. Gabriels Church Festival. He was a mountain of a man who probably had legit 20" arms.
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for the genetically incapable.
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Agree with all 4 points. Steroids or not, McGuire and Sosa brought baseball back from the brink.
Also, if anyone doesn't think Reggie Jackson was taking d-bol, deca, etc in the 70's, they are fooling themselves. I remember as a kid seeing him on an episode of different strokes wearing a polo shirt. Dude had ridiculous guns. Same for my boyhood idol Lance Parrish aka the Big Wheel. I met him as a young boy signing autographs at St. Gabriels Church Festival. He was a mountain of a man who probably had legit 20" arms.
Reggie also had some arms in the Naked Gun.
Ballplayer have always looked for an edge, whether it was stimulants, steroids etc.
Bottom line, many players took steroid uncontrolled in the late 90s and early 2000s, but none of them came close to the performance of what Bonds did. It was superhero level production.
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end of the day it´s up to the individual if he or she uses roids.
don´t need all the preaching from all the old farts on here about drug abuse. Most of them are on meds themselves and a bottle of wild Turkey daily. :D
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I'm more offended by the repeated misspellings of "Clemens" in this thread.
There will be some slight getbig ranking adjustments.
I dislike how Bonds/Clemens/ARod are vilified, but Piazza, Pudge, and plenty of other users are in.
The HoF needs to own the steroid era as part of their history, and let the best of the best in.
Pete Rose has 23 records including most hits and he isn't in the HOF. ::) Kind of makes the Hall obsolete.
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Pellius falling for Dave's satire, hook, line and sinker. ;D
Again.
;D ;D ;D
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I've seen a lot of jacked Cops over the years. There were 4 of them that trained at my old gym and they were obviously on gear.
Doesn't surprise me much. A lot of Cops don't follow the rules. I don't really have a problem with that, but if some jacked up Cop tried to give me a ticket for having a few vials on me, i'd say something. ;D
Yup. That would be darn hard to take.
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end of the day it´s up to the individual if he or she uses roids.
don´t need all the preaching from all the old farts on here about drug abuse. Most of them are on meds themselves and a bottle of wild Turkey daily. :D
And you know this how? LOL!
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I really don't care if you use. Just don't expect me to be impressed with your temporary physique. I know many rationalize their use. If that helps you justify it then more power to you. I know many fans of steroids get very upset when you mention the health risks or it's use by insecure guys to feel like a man. What ever you want to do is fine with me. Smoke your dope, inject those syringes, throw away any chance of a real career chasing that syringe high. Be the most jacked guy in the club. Just don't shoot the messenger if he presents an alternative. To reiterate. I really don't care what anyone does but if I saw a guy throwing heading down the wrong road I just might say, ever think about giving up the drugs?
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Ty Cobb once jumped into the stands during a game and beat up a cripple, he was a getbigger for sure.
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Ty Cobb once jumped into the stands during a game and beat up a cripple, he was a getbigger for sure.
That was me. Wes took me to that game so we could get in cheap cuz it was "Bring a Cripple Day". Wes went to get us some popcorn and Cob thought I was making faces at him...
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Ty Cobb would collect the used bars of soap from the locker room and take them back to his plantation workers in Georgia.
Dude was giving.
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Ty Cobb once jumped into the stands during a game and beat up a cripple, he was a getbigger for sure.
A cripple shouldn't be that close to the field.
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Ty Cobb would collect the used bars of soap from the locker room and take them back to his plantation workers in Georgia.
Dude was giving.
just watched this movie on his life the other day. cobb seemed like a nice guy, he would have fit in well on this site.
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Ty Cobb once jumped into the stands during a game and beat up a cripple, he was a getbigger for sure.
That was me. Wes took me to that game so we could get in cheap cuz it was "Bring a Cripple Day". Wes went to get us some popcorn and Cob thought I was making faces at him...
I totally misunderstood that story for a moment - hadn't realised it was the cripple who was the Getbigger!
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I totally misunderstood that story for a moment - hadn't realised it was the cripple who was the Getbigger!
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Let me point out ANABOLIC Steroids are illegal without a prescription. You can go to jail for selling and purchasing anabolics without a prescription. Same as with OxyContin, Vicodin or other drugs in their class. If you possess insulin, Tylenol 3 or cortisone (a steroid) you won’t.
Likewise Alcohol isn’t illegal. It is if you’re under the age of 21. It is illegal to use alcohol and drive.
So you can use anabolic steroids under 1 condition, having a legal prescription. Possession or use of them without a prescription can result in jail time. Does it always? No. Just like someone who gets drunk at a restaurant and drives off but doesn’t get pulled over isn’t going to suffer legal ramifications. But anabolic steroids are illegal without a prescription, it’s foolish to say they aren’t.
As far as the IFBB, they can’t make an item that is against the law to posses (without meeting only one condition) legal to use. They can’t make their own laws that are opposed to the country that they operate in. So while other nations may not have made anabolic steroids illegal, in the US they are.
If states have different laws you are held to the laws of the state you’re in not the one you’re from. When you’re in Hawaii you drive the Hawaiian speed limit not California’s. So if you’re using anabolic steroids without a prescription you using illegal substances.
And while you’re at it taking prescription medication without a script is seen as cheating in many professional (and collegiate) sports. See adderall as an example.
And you’re correct I can’t speak for everyone, especially in this country. The three men I referred to were elite athletes without steroids. For better or worse they chose to use them. I honestly don’t have a problem with what they did but because not everyone who they competed against used the same drugs people believe they created an unfair playing field (mind you no one ever says genetics are unfair or that they create a non level playing field).
But your point of the money they made because they used illegal compounds makes up for any disgrace they might have suffered is a double edged sword. We can easily take that logic a step further and say the Democrats and Biden might have done questionable acts to win the Presidency but who cares, he won. Having a win at all costs mentally isn’t always in everyone’s best interest.
I kind of forgot, or maybe never knew, what point are you trying to make exactly?
And do you think it would make any difference to Biden if he found out that he didn't win fair and square but cheated?
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You get worked up a lot here.
I’ve competed drug free in bodybuilding and strength events. Ive competed on a national level as a light heavy weight strongman. I’ve done well. Many have accused me of being on drugs and I took that as a compliment.
I’d like to think I would have been even better with drugs but I have no idea if that is really true. Life is the result of the choices we make and I have no regrets with mine.
I don't know what makes you think I am getting "worked up a lot" here. You made a claim. I have my doubts and asked you to prove it. If you can't, which obviously you can't, then I have my answer. Issue resolved. You're a bullshitter.
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I kind of forgot, or maybe never knew, what point are you trying to make exactly?
And do you think it would make any difference to Biden if he found out that he didn't win fair and square but cheated?
Steroids used in athletic events, even bodybuilding, is cheating.
Win at all costs pellius win at all costs.
I don't know what makes you think I am getting "worked up a lot" here. You made a claim. I have my doubts and asked you to prove it. If you can't, which obviously you can't, then I have my answer. Issue resolved. You're a bullshitter.
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When you train with what nature gave you it is a long, arduous process. Training with drugs, especially the shitloads these ass-puppets take now (over the last few decades, really) it takes little time. And effort. And work. The truth is that drugs do NOT make the man, but rather they change the manlette.
And still these babies claim "natural". As I said earlier, I've known good and bad on both sides of the turd that is PEDs but that doesn't mean a turd can be polished up to be more than a...well...A turd.
Remember gentlemen, both sides.
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Jesus Christ end this fucking thread everyone knows oldtimer wishes he went on gear but was afraid to.........there I said it.
I always liked Rich aka oldtimer and still do, but he was too scared to get on the gear so now he hates everyone who has..................... ..can you say bitter?
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I really don't care if you use. Just don't expect me to be impressed with your temporary physique. I know many rationalize their use. If that helps you justify it then more power to you. I know many fans of steroids get very upset when you mention the health risks or it's use by insecure guys to feel like a man. What ever you want to do is fine with me. Smoke your dope, inject those syringes, throw away any chance of a real career chasing that syringe high. Be the most jacked guy in the club. Just don't shoot the messenger if he presents an alternative. To reiterate. I really don't care what anyone does but if I saw a guy throwing heading down the wrong road I just might say, ever think about giving up the drugs?
You really don't make much sense. Any physique is temporary.
You don't have to be natural to have s successful life. Many who live on the straight and narrow throw away their lives. Maybe for a woman. Many too risk averse. Maybe just lazy. You can have a successful life and also be a hardcore juicer. You can have a successful life because you are a hardcore juicer.
You need to be far less concern what others are doing and just worry more about yourself.
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You really don't make much sense. Any physique is temporary.
You don't have to be natural to have s successful life. Many who live on the straight and narrow throw away their lives. Maybe for a woman. Many too risk averse. Maybe just lazy. You can have a successful life and also be a hardcore juicer. You can have a successful life because you are a hardcore juicer.
You need to be far less concern what others are doing and just worry more about yourself.
Solid advice.
Tell us about your successes because of the risks you took.
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Steroids used in athletic events, even bodybuilding, is cheating.
Win at all costs pellius win at all costs.
Cool!
As I pointed out. If you use steriods in a sport that forbids them that is cheating. It is important to note the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. They can ban you from using chewing gum in competition or for wearing a shirt.
This is quite different than doing something that is against the law.
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As I pointed out. If you use steriods in a sport that forbids them that is cheating. It is important to note the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. They can ban you from using chewing gum in competition or for wearing a shirt.
This is quite different than doing something that is against the law.
Very true.
In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?
If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?
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Jesus Christ end this fucking thread everyone knows oldtimer wishes he went on gear but was afraid to.........there I said it.
I always liked Rich aka oldtimer and still do, but he was too scared to get on the gear so now he hates everyone who has..................... ..can you say bitter?
This.
The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.
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This.
The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.
BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
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Like other things in life, bodybuilding and fitness is good for a balanced life. Obsessing over only thing in life (work, fitness, money etc) is not a good solution for most people.
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What does this even mean ?
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the essence of bodybuilding ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Define "bodybuilding".
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Very true.
In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?
If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?
On problem with rules banning steroid use in bodybuilding competitions is that a competitor's system can be cleared of all steroids when they are tested and still have used them to get into contest condition, meaning the rule cannot be successfully enforced.
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Define "bodybuilding".
It is a sport involving strenuous physical exercise in order to strengthen and enlarge the muscles of the body.
That photo of me is showing it's age. The kitchen has been completely remodeled and looks nothing like the room in the photo. Today, if I were sitting where I am sitting in the photo, I'd be looking at the door to the walk in pantry. Oh, and I was bigger, better looking and younger in that photo than I am today. ;D
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On problem with rules banning steroid use in bodybuilding competitions is that a competitor's system can be cleared of all steroids when they are tested and still have used them to get into contest condition, meaning the rule cannot be successfully enforced.
This would be the case for every sport prime.
They would still be illegal to use.
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This would be the case for every sport prime.
They would still be illegal to use.
Okay. In most situations, they are currently illegal.
The point was, when there is no accurate way to test for them, how can you insure someone hasn't used them? Performance enhancing drugs are more likely to be in someone's system during a competition, such as is the case with competitors in Olympic sports and professional sports so testing actually serves a purpose.
The problem with steroid use and bodybuilding competitions is that knowing who has used isn't possible. One can guess that they have because of their condition and size, but guessing doesn't prove anything. Anyone can say they never used ABS and it can be total BS.
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Okay. In most situations, they are currently illegal.
The point was, when there is no accurate way to test for them, how can you insure someone hasn't used them? Performance enhancing drugs are more likely to be in someone's system during a competition, such as is the case with competitors in Olympic sports and professional sports so testing actually serves a purpose.
The problem with steroid use and bodybuilding competitions is that knowing who has used isn't possible. One can guess that they have because of their condition and size, but guessing doesn't prove anything. Anyone can say they never used ABS and it can be total BS.
In most situations steroids are illegal, theres only one situation where their use isnt illegal and that's with a medical prescription and that doesn't mean the sporting organization will allow it.
Again this is true for every sport.
But we trust Olympic testing.
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In most situations steroids are illegal, theres only one situation where their use isnt illegal and that's with a medical prescription and that doesn't mean the sporting organization will allow it.
Again this is true for every sport.
But we trust Olympic testing.
-Not disagreeing with you on this with the exception of saying we trust Olympic testing because one can still have used steroids and not test positive for them because they are no longer in their body. I guess I don't understand your point.
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-Not disagreeing with you on this with the exception of saying we trust Olympic testing because one can still have used steroids and not test positive for them because they are no longer in their body. I guess I don't understand your point.
My point is steroids are illegal. What is yours?
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My point is steroids are illegal. What is yours?
It is not always possible to prove when a person has used steroids.
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Solid advice.
Tell us about your successes because of the risks you took.
Why? I have never portrayed myself as a towering success. In fact, I've often expressed the opposite and admitted I would have done things differently if I could do it again. I was out on my own since 18 years old and worked and paid way through college, it took almost 8 years but I did it. I was able to get a good job and a comfortable retirement working for the DOD with the various Aerospace companies (Hughes, Rockwell, CSC, Raytheon) but I feel I wasted valuable years being so obsessed with competing in Jiu-Jitsu and MMA at a time when no money was to be made. I believed in the "follow your heart" "follow your dreams" bull shit. I should have spent that time going to Law School and also get serious about investing and making money. I had a decent salary, my needs were low, I gave very little thought to the future and my retirement.
OK, got it. I seemed to have hurt your feelings somewhere in this thread. Come on, get a pair and act like a man. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, you are on the wrong board. If you are going to make some claim about how one can transform their physique you better be able to prove it. I'm sure you were great back in the day and you could be great if you wanted to, but the fact is, you are like most of here. Not very impressive. Now you could easily prove me wrong. But you can't. That's why you are mad at me.
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Very true.
In the what sports is using illegal substances allowed? Or even what competition openly, via their rule book, allows steroid use. Obviously steroid use is rampant (and needed to compete) in professional bodybuilding. But does the “rule book” specifically condone the use of steroids?
If a competitor was using an illegal substance like cocaine, which there is no legal medical use (that I’m aware of), and was caught can the rules state it is permissible to use that substance, does there need to be a rule that says an illegal substance is banned for competition?
Jeeze. Again is there a point to this? You are stating what should be obvious. I made clear that the rules in sports are completely arbitrary. A football field can be 70 or 200 yards. A boxing round can be 2 minutes or no time limits. You have to dress how they say you should be dressed. They decide what you are allowed to consume or not consume. But isn't obvious that if the law of the land makes a certain behavior in a certain context illegal then it is illegal it everywhere?
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Why? I have never portrayed myself as a towering success. In fact, I've often expressed the opposite and admitted I would have done things differently if I could do it again. I was out on my own since 18 years old and worked and paid way through college, it took almost 8 years but I did it. I was able to get a good job and a comfortable retirement working for the DOD with the various Aerospace companies (Hughes, Rockwell, CSC, Raytheon) but I feel I wasted valuable years being so obsessed with competing in Jiu-Jitsu and MMA at a time when no money was to be made. I believed in the "follow your heart" "follow your dreams" bull shit. I should have spent that time going to Law School and also get serious about investing and making money. I had a decent salary, my needs were low, I gave very little thought to the future and my retirement.
OK, got it. I seemed to have hurt your feelings somewhere in this thread. Come on, get a pair and act like a man. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, you are on the wrong board. If you are going to make some claim about how one can transform their physique you better be able to prove it. I'm sure you were great back in the day and you could be great if you wanted to, but the fact is, you are like most of here. Not very impressive. Now you could easily prove me wrong. But you can't. That's why you are mad at me.
My feelings are as hurt as much as you are worked up. I’m not mad at you. I’ve meet people from the board, I don’t care if people believe what I say. My “claims” aren’t anything outrageous.
I appreciate what you bring to the board. Some of your posts you come across as angry (and I know I come across as a clown), but in the videos you’ve shared you’re anything but. Words on screen can be difficult to interpret.
That said you are obviously an intelligent man with strong opinions that you generally defend with well thought out arguments. Keep doing you, you make the board better.
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My feelings are as hurt as much as you are worked up. I’m not mad at you. I’ve meet people from the board, I don’t care if people believe what I say. My “claims” aren’t anything outrageous.
I appreciate what you bring to the board. Some of your posts you come across as angry (and I know I come across as a clown), but in the videos you’ve shared you’re anything but. Words on screen can be difficult to interpret.
That said you are obviously an intelligent man with strong opinions that you generally defend with well thought out arguments. Keep doing you, you make the board better.
Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.
Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.
When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.
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Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.
Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.
When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.
You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?
I think he wanted to use forever but was afraid to do so.
I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.
I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.
Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.
Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.
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You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?
I think he wanted to use forever but was afraid to do so.
I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.
I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.
Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.
Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.
1. I think Dave D is currently my favourite poster, just about everything he posts at the moment makes me smile/chuckle/LOL
2. LOL - just LOL @ Mr Wes
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You are the only person who commented on my statement about Rich aka (oldtimer) and I stand by what I said.
Why else would a man appear so bitter about folks he has never met just because they used gear if he wasn`t envious of their development..........jea lousy perhaps ?
I think he wanted to forever but was afraid to do so.
I dont think he was worried about the legal ramifications because he was a cop.....and we all know tons of cop and correction officers use gear.
I too was afraid at one time (back in 1887) but if used responsibly....no ramifications.....at least in my case anyway, and I started back in the mid 1970`s though it was only mild orals.
Waiting for Rich to dispute my allegation and when and if and when he does,I will hold no animosity no matter what he says.
Though I will always believe he wanted to use but was afraid to do so.
Wes my fellow oldster, recall if you will that I have said there are good and bad men on both sides of the coin that is PEDs. You and I can bear witness to the 70s and those that took them, if not with caution then at the least, not carelessly. They took time off for life and in doing so a great many lived long lives and hopefully happily.
Oldtimer is as we are in more ways than not. The same is true of Pellius. Anyone can take PEDs, especially so back in the so-called "golden age". I know/knew more than a few and I suspect that many did more with their lives than just bodybuilding. If not, they wound up like us but worse for the wear and tear on if not on their bodies or souls then on their memories.
If all you have is you were once Mr. Fill-In-Title and nothing more, I'd say that the soundtrack of one's live might well be "No thanks, for the memories"... You, Pellius, Oldtimer, IroNat, Taffin, chaos, One and several others here are on the right side of the coin, if you will and that being regardless of the use or not of PEDs.
I just hope I am worthy of joining you all. The edge of the coin is precipitous and being a cripple makes it hard to walk that line, my brother. I apologize if I have made errors in judgment, spelling or more as I just received my medication a while ago and I even though this took me several minutes to "compose", I hope it does not appear to stupid and wordy. Time to pass out.
In all ways and for always, be well my friends.
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Wes my fellow oldster, recall if you will that I have said there are good and bad men on both sides of the coin that is PEDs. You and I can bear witness to the 70s and those that took them, if not with caution then at the least, not carelessly. They took time off for life and in doing so a great many lived long lives and hopefully happily.
Oldtimer is as we are in more ways than not. The same is true of Pellius. Anyone can take PEDs, especially so back in the so-called "golden age". I know/knew more than a few and I suspect that many did more with their lives than just bodybuilding. If not, they wound up like us but worse for the wear and tear on if not on their bodies or souls then on their memories.
If all you have is you were once Mr. Fill-In-Title and nothing more, I'd say that the soundtrack of one's live might well be "No thanks, for the memories"... You, Pellius, Oldtimer, IroNat, Taffin, chaos, One and several others here are on the right side of the coin, if you will and that being regardless of the use or not of PEDs.
I just hope I am worthy of joining you all. The edge of the coin is precipitous and being a cripple makes it hard to walk that line, my brother. I apologize if I have made errors in judgment, spelling or more as I just received my medication a while ago and I even though this took me several minutes to "compose", I hope it does not appear to stupid and wordy. Time to pass out.
In all ways and for always, be well my friends.
Scott
I prefer to act as a sort of buffoon publicly on our board, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:
I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family
But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you. If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would ;D
Be well, my American Brother
Taf
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The Scott my friend.....any idiot can take PEDS and some abuse them adfinitum (sp),but to use them responsibly if you want to acknowledge such a practice,I find very little or no harm done except in rare case.
Of course if you abuse the fuck out of them,they will in turn abuse the fuck out of you in the long run in most intances.
As far as oldtimer goes,if he did small sensible cycles I think he would be far happier with hi progress and development and more understanding and tolerant to those of us who do you use them...........NOT THOSE WHO ABUSE THEM OF COURSE.
That being said,it`s his choice and I respect that, but in turn he should accept those of us who do or did use them and stop belittling us like we have the plague or are blatant cheaters.
After all some of the guys he adired or still admire are more than likely on boatloads.
Peace my brother !!
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Scott
I PREFER TO ACT AS SORT OF BUFFOON PUBLICLY ON OUR BOARD, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:
I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family
But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you. If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would ;D
Be well, my American Brother
Taf
8)
NO SAY IT AIN`T SO !! LOL ;D
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The Scott my friend.....any idiot can take PEDS and some abuse them adfinitum (sp),but to use them responsibly if you want to acknowledge such a practice,I find very little or no harm done except in rare case.
Of course if you abuse the fuck out of them,they will in turn abuse the fuck out of you in the long run in most intances.
As far as oldtimer goes,if he did small sensible cycles I think he would be far happier with hi progress and development and more understanding and tolerant to those of us who do you use them...........NOT THOSE WHO ABUSE THEM OF COURSE.
That being said,it`s his choice and I respect that, but in turn he should accept those of us who do or did use them and stop belittling us like we have the plague or are blatant cheaters.
After all some of the guys he adired or still admire are more than likely on boatloads.
Peace my brother !!
Scott
I prefer to act as a sort of buffoon publicly on our board, and so rarely choose authenticity as a response, so if you will forgive my sentimentality for one moment:
I was not blessed with any Brothers, just one Sister who has unfortunately shown herself to be of poor character, and I await her redemption - it is never too late and I live in hope that she will realise what she is doing at some point and return to my family
But if I did have an older Brother, I like to think he would have been as good a man as you. If I could give you a rough 'manly' hug from 5300 miles away I would ;D
Be well, my American Brother
Taf
8)
Thank you, lads!!
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NO SAY IT AIN`T SO !! LOL ;D
Wes
You would be surprised how many of these kids choose to take my poor attempts at humor seriously...
Then again, you've been here a while apparently, so maybe you wouldn't ;D ;D ;D
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Fair enough. Someone said I was being trolled by you and I wasn't sure what that meant.
Anyway, carry on. Lets pick on Oldtimer. He's the one I don't get. Well, in a way I do now that Tim has explained it. Failing at something you've devoted so much time and effort to can be devastating.
When I think of how much time and effort I've spent just with formal weight training alone (almost 50 years) and the amount of success I've had and how it has enhanced my life it is hard to justify. Don't get me wrong, I believe a person gets far more out of consistent weight training, and the discipline and lifestyle habits as well as a mental attitude it demands, than just health and a better body. But I believe I could have achieved all that without putting this life style at such a high priority at a time when I could have been more productive and successful in my career.
Oldtimer is hardest on himself. He hasn't failed at being in great physical condition, he's achieved it. He'd do well to learn to give himself more credit and be proud of his achievement.
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This.
The guy has spent 50 years of his life obsessing about bodybuilding and working out and not once in those 50 years has anyone mistaken him for a bodybuilder. It’s obviously created a bitterness that won’t go away. There are a lot of Getbiggers in the same predicament. How else can you explain why there’s so much hate towards bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum.
I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.
Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.
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Oldtimer is hardest on himself. He hasn't failed at being in great physical condition, he's achieved it. He'd do well to learn to give himself more credit and be proud of his achievement.
Exactly,,,,,you either get patted on the back or you don’t and same holds true drugged or not,who cares..lif your ok care with what you achieved either way take it and run..if you go on and on about Instagram or even the gym juicers then your wasting your time trying to figure what drives them to be that way...it is what it is....
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Wes
You would be surprised how many of these kids choose to take my poor attempts at humor seriously...
Then again, you've been here a while apparently, so maybe you wouldn't ;D ;D ;D
And here I was always thinking your post were seriou! LOL ;D
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I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.
Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.
I1ve never felt guilty or hooked at all, and all my contests were not of the "natural" kind so no worries there.
Didn`t you use drug back in Cali?
I only like in court,to the cops..........and to my wife of course.
You sound like a bitter bitch yourself ..............BITCH.
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Exactly,,,,,you either get patted on the back or you don’t and same holds true drugged or not,who cares..lif your ok care with what you achieved either way take it and run..if you go on and on about Instagram or even the gym juicers then your wasting your time trying to figure what drives them to be that way...it is what it is....
There was a moment in time when I would have taken a magic pill regardless of the side effects, if it promised I would become the musclebound freak of my dreams. Thankfully, it was only a moment and I carried on doing the hard work anyway.
You my friend, better never complain about your bodybuilding accomplishments. If you are as fit as I imagine you will be at my age. You will have achieved something most folks never do. How is that for a challenge?
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Jesus Christ end this fucking thread everyone knows oldtimer wishes he went on gear but was afraid to.........there I said it.
I always liked Rich aka oldtimer and still do, but he was too scared to get on the gear so now he hates everyone who has..................... ..can you say bitter?
Totally agree with you, 2000 posts 1999 bitching about some guy with fake muscles, we get it lol, you dont like anyone who's ever taken anything ever, they all need to die for their unnatural growth and steroid sins. ;D
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I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.
Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.
;D we need some angry old man emojis around here.
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;D we need some angry old man emojis around here.
Where can I find these. I'm and old man who sometimes wants to give folks the impression I am angry. Emojis are so much easier than writing walls of words.
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I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.
Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.
This thread continues to deliver such absurd and preposterous theories. Most coming from these old timers that many of us consider wise. The notion that steroid users deep down believe what they are doing is wrong and feel guilty is just beyond laughable.
And it's phony and temporary? If I feel Cutler's bicep in his prime it's not really a bicep? What makes yours more real? If I cut open both of your arms will there be some made up tissue in Jay's arm? And, temporary? What will your arm look like in 25 years? Everything is temporary.
You are correct that short, skinny guys will get more respect for having big muscles. What's wrong with that? Short, skinny guy will get more respect for being filthy rich. What's wrong with people trying to compensate for a deficiency?
And they're all liars. Not anymore than you are liar. Among people they know will understand most are very open and honest about their use. If they are talking to their preteen son, maybe not so much. Are you open and honest about everything in your life.
The fact is, for the vast majority the use of steroids has enhanced the quality of life. Not everyone is using bbing doses. The amount of men on TRT has never been higher and growing fast.
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;D we need some angry old man emojis around here.
Not an emoji but...
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Not an emoji but...
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My favorite Soprano.
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
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Old school BB has its place for muscle hypertrophic no doubt. However very one reaches genetic limits at some point if they trai. Year in and out.
Not shitzo who never did so much as a sit up.
Once said person gets there - you are faced w some choices - maintain - seek other things etc.
Some go into competitive BB and enjoy it for what it is. Others try to get more well rounded in terms of stamina and endurance. Etc
Fitness is a lifelong journey. One can go in and out of modes many times over the years.
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I think the opposite is true...Present and past steroid users are the ones who get angry when their drug usage is criticized, I think this is because deep down they know they are doing the wrong thing and they feel guilty.
It's phony and temporary, short guys and skinny guys get hooked because they finally get some respect and attention.
It's potentially dangerous and bad for your body.
In athletics it's banned.
When you start taking steroids you become a liar...99% of guys lie about it.
Now lets see all the angry steroid users hurl insults and rationalize their usage.
You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree with it.
You are stereotyping folks who use or have used steroids. That is wrong. Abuse of anything is potentially dangerous and bad for a person's body. Sensible use is much less likely to have ill side effects. If folks lie about taking steroids, it is mainly because in most locations and under most conditions, ABS is not legal unless it is medically prescribed.
Technically, I am a steroid user since I am on HRT. Also because when I was a young adult, a doctor prescribed D-Bol and test shots to help me overcome looking like a victim of starvation. Much of the muscle and weight I gained was permanent and there is nothing fake about it.
When athletes, including bodybuilders stop exercising many cease being fit. It isn't because they went off steroids. It is because muscles require exercise. It is also because calories in should relate to the calories one burns. Many swimmers and other athletes gain weight after they are no longer active in their sport. It is not uncommon for someone's metabolism to slow down as they age....again, it is all about calories in and calories out.
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
Telling Wes his cancer is the result of steroid use is totally fucked. Wes was a smoker, he had lung and possible throat cancer. Smoking is known to cause those cancers. What the heck does that have to do with using ABS? Here's what....it has nothing to do with it. You are being an idiot!
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
Wes is a big deal around here. You are a bitter, never was, wrinkled old cunt!
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
I see I struck a nerve......well let me strike another one !!
Most skinny guys lift to get more size...................a nd I had a better build than you for sure.
I smoked for 52 years........my own stupidity and I accept that.
Also at least I didn`t make movies porking guys in the ass!!
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Wes is a big deal around here. You are a bitter, never was, wrinkled old cunt!
Thank you my brother from another mother. :)
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Also at least I didn`t make movies porking guys in the ass!!
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That's what they all say.... until someone finds an old 8mm reel in their creepy uncle's attic and after viewing the 2 hour film they decide to upload it to the internet to expose a fallen bodybuilding hero who was just trying to pay their rent.
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
That comment says more about you than anything else, I don't think anyone would miss you if you decided to leave the forum. I won't debate or respond to you further and i would advise others to do similar.
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That's what they all say.... until someone finds an old 8mm reel in their creepy uncle's attic and after viewing the 2 hour film they decide to upload it to the internet to expose a fallen bodybuilding hero who was just trying to pay their rent.
What are you implying Dave?
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What are you implying Dave?
Wes, after the Ric Drasin issue,I don’t know if I can handle any of my hero’s having skeletons getting out of their closets.
I’m not here to judge but I will.
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Wes, you're the last guy to talk, little skinny guy who HAD to take drugs to get respect/muscle and now you have cancer possibly because of the steroids.
"Possibly". So why bring it up? You have zero evidence it had anything to do with steroids.
The vast majority of people who get cancer aren't using steroids.
Talking steroids and being a competitive bber enhanced Wes's life greatly. Greatly. If you knew his life story and how he could have turned out it would be obvious.
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"Possibly". So why bring it up? You have zero evidence it had anything to do with steroids.
The vast majority of people who get cancer aren't using steroids.
Talking steroids and being a competitive bber enhanced Wes's life greatly. Greatly. If you knew his life story and how he could have turned out it would be obvious.
Thank Phil,lets consider the source......the person who was callous enough to bring Cancer into the picture has been filmed swallowing cock and eating cum,taking it up the ass as well as pitching,and of course we know he did roids as well.
Guy is true scum,and now tries to act holier than thou.
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Wes, after the Ric Drasin issue,I don’t know if I can handle any of my hero’s having skeletons getting out of their closets.
I’m not here to judge but I will.
I hear you my friend.
It`s always tough to realize a childhood hero just isn`t what you thought he was.
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I see I struck a nerve......well let me strike another one !!
Most skinny guys lift to get more size...................a nd I had a better build than you for sure.
I smoked for 52 years........my own stupidity and I accept that.
Also at least I didn`t make movies porking guys in the ass!!
Which has been oldgolds career for the past 20 years probably :D
His screenname = Arnold Porkenegger
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That comment says more about you than anything else, I don't think anyone would miss you if you decided to leave the forum. I won't debate or respond to you further and i would advise others to do similar.
do not agree with his comment but who are you to tell him to leave?. shut up. As far as wes goes he admitted himself he probably caused it by chain smoking 50+ years. should get no sympathy points for self inflicted illness. ::) let´s face it he brings the subject up himself when it suits him.
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do not agree with his comment but who are you to tell him to leave?. shut up. As far as wes goes he admitted himself he probably caused it by chain smoking 50+ years. should get no sympathy points for self inflicted illness. ::) let´s face it he brings the subject up himself when it suits him.
This guy co-starred in some of oldgolds 8mm specials.
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I've always considered myself a mass monster.
The tiny tits don't get it. Ribs don't count as abs.
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I've always considered myself a mass monster.
The tiny tits don't get it. Ribs don't count as abs.
A mass on your liver is what you should be most concerned about.
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A mass on your liver is what you should be most concerned about.
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You are a Mets fan, and got caught on live tv, unable to twist off a water bottle....
You say you lift in the rain. Is it rain?
I think it's tears.
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You are a Mets fan, and got caught on live tv, unable to twist off a water bottle....
You say you lift in the rain. Is it rain?
I think it's tears.
F that - im a N.U. Yawk Yankees - Bronx Bombers fan. The MUTS are and will always suck.
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F that - im a N.U. Yawk Yankees - Bronx Bombers fan. The MUTS are and will always suck.
Walking cliche.
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Walking cliche.
You are on a website about lifting weights, yet weak and fat.
I have not have many run ins with you but your showing yourself on any thread on this site is pathetic. You don't even FNG lift!
Why are you on GB? If you were on a site called getdrunk.com or getfat.com or something like that you would get some respect.
Here you are despised by nearly everyone because you are lazy yet run your mouth.
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do not agree with his comment but who are you to tell him to leave?. shut up. As far as wes goes he admitted himself he probably caused it by chain smoking 50+ years. should get no sympathy points for self inflicted illness. ::) let´s face it he brings the subject up himself when it suits him.
I never asked for sympathy and dont expect any..
Assholes that make fun of people with illnesses or maladys are.......ASSHOLES...... .....karma is a motherfacker.
Personally,my Cancer is in remission still and I feel awesome.
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I see I struck a nerve......well let me strike another one !!
Most skinny guys lift to get more size...................a nd I had a better build than you for sure.
I smoked for 52 years........my own stupidity and I accept that.
Also at least I didn`t make movies porking guys in the ass!!
You got me confused with someone else...Gay people disgust me, but to the topic at hand, I'm not making fun of your cancer but I know that steroids make cells grow and cancer is unregulated cell growth....I've known steroid guys who died young of cancer and you cannot say for sure it had no impact. I know you crave attention/respect and that's probably the reason you chose the steroid route.
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You got me confused with someone else...Gay people disgust me, but to the topic at hand, I'm not making fun of your cancer but I know that steroids make cells grow and cancer is unregulated cell growth....I've known steroid guys who died young of cancer and you cannot say for sure it had no impact. I know you crave attention/respect and that's probably the reason you chose the steroid route.
I dont crave attention and tell me another lie.
Did you ever use gear? Dont lie now.
I know who you are and I saw the disgusting films.............as much as I could stomach.
I`ll be 66 in les than a month and I`m till here.........66 is not considered young unless you are 67.
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You are on a website about lifting weights, yet weak and fat.
I have not have many run ins with you but your showing yourself on any thread on this site is pathetic. You don't even FNG lift!
Why are you on GB? If you were on a site called getdrunk.com or getfat.com or something like that you would get some respect.
Here you are despised by nearly everyone because you are lazy yet run your mouth.
GoRuck meltdown. Maybe too much caffeine?
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You got me confused with someone else...Gay people disgust me, but to the topic at hand, I'm not making fun of your cancer but I know that steroids make cells grow and cancer is unregulated cell growth....I've known steroid guys who died young of cancer and you cannot say for sure it had no impact. I know you crave attention/respect and that's probably the reason you chose the steroid route.
You sound like you regret the homosexual endeavors you once partook in.
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I`ll be 66 in les than a month and I`m till here.........66 is not considered young unless you are 67.
You're almost a baby in age as compared to me. ;D
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You're almost a baby in age as compared to me. ;D
Most of us here are!! LOL :D
Sorry I couldn`t resit! :)
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Most of us here are!! LOL :D
Sorry I couldn`t resit! :)
Don't be sorry...it is the absolute truth.
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GoRuck meltdown. Maybe too much caffeine?
Its all Caffeine and Hate - and weights and metal. Maybe you might want to try it some time. ;)
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I dont crave attention and tell me another lie.
Did you ever use gear? Dont lie now.
I know who you are and I saw the disgusting films.............as much as I could stomach.
I`ll be 66 in les than a month and I`m till here.........66 is not considered young unless you are 67.
What films are you talking about?
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Most of us here are!! LOL :D
Sorry I couldn`t resit! :)
I am older than all of you, but in a way that really isn't all that cool. Older. Not smarter or better built. Just what some in my past have referred to as an "old soul". Some of my relatives and nice old family friends that are also Jewish might say kabbalah. My mom just says I'm her old soul. One lady said I was born too late, again. Perhaps One knows this Hebrew mysticism better.
But Wes, you are back with us and for that I am glad. Never forget that you are an important part of a family. I think so.
It's said that time waits for no man. That witch lady said that time, when needed, will slow down for the right person or spit them right back out to give them more "time". The world of man has more in common than we realize and believe me, that is anything but "common".
I am rambling. Again. Weight training is not a waste, with or without PEDs. What is a waste is what some do with their time. Enough for now and I hope I don't sound "Marty" or whatever his name is at this hour of his mind.
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Thanks Scott,you`re a great person.
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What films are you talking about?
I may be wrong but I dont care cuz he` an asshole but in`t he Ken Sprague?
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I may be wrong but I dont care cuz he` an asshole but in`t he Ken Sprague?
Not likely.
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In 1983 i took 2 dianabol per day for 6 weeks...Made super gains but decided the whole thing was a farce.In 1973 I did the same thing. And as for seeing me in some movie you are not only a little twerp you are a liar.
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In 1983 i took 2 dianabol per day for 6 weeks...Made super gains but decided the whole thing was a farce.In 1973 I did the same thing. And as for seeing me in some movie you are not only a little twerp you are a liar.
Were you done plowing assholes and vice versa by the 80's? Are all your t-cells present and accounted for? Do you look at T-Bombz and see yourself at that age?
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In 1983 i took 2 dianabol per day for 6 weeks...Made super gains but decided the whole thing was a farce.In 1973 I did the same thing. And as for seeing me in some movie you are not only a little twerp you are a liar.
Sorry if I was wrong..............I apologize.
DICKHEAD!!
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In 1983 i took 2 dianabol per day for 6 weeks...Made super gains but decided the whole thing was a farce.In 1973 I did the same thing. And as for seeing me in some movie you are not only a little twerp you are a liar.
Oldgolds, because apparently I struggle with reading comprehension, I thought you were the OP oldtimer1.
I had a very mean post ready to go blasting you about your steroid abuse and for beating a cheating. I’m sorry I almost posted this.
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You're a stellar guy Dave.
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Oldgolds, because apparently I struggle with reading comprehension, I thought you were the OP oldtimer1.
I had a very mean post ready to go blasting you about your steroid abuse and for beating a cheating. I’m sorry I almost posted this.
Thank a teacher!