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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on April 20, 2021, 09:01:53 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
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Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
have u?
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He don't need the vaccine now. His own antibodies is better than any vaccine and last longer.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
Why are you even here? You backstabbing prick
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He don't need the vaccine now. His own antibodies is are better than any vaccine and last longer.
Thanks for this information doctor.
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x 1000
Howard is such a tiring fa66got.
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He don't need the vaccine now. His own antibodies is better than any vaccine and last longer.
This^ He has already dealt with the symptoms so why get a vaccine that will make him suffer from the symptoms again.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
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No need to vaccinate Covid-19 survivors; they develop natural immunity: AIIMS Professor
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/no-need-to-vaccinate-covid-19-survivors-they-develop-natural-immunity-aiims-professor/article33911203.ece
Sorry, Fauci, Johns Hopkins Doctor Declares We're Close to COVID Herd Immunity
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/29/wsj-oped-herd-immunity-is-hereeven-if-fauci-doesnt-want-to-admit-it-n2587026
" Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins...he estimates that two-thirds of the country already had the virus"
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Big Deadly Teddly fan. Own all his albums.
Big fan of his politics and societal viewpoints, too.
As far as him getting Covid, this doesn’t negate a damn thing he’s ever said on the topic.
All the usual (*yawn*) criticisms of the man (“Ped”, draft dodger, etc.) are from know-nothing lefty cuckadoodles. The truth against the accusations doesn’t fit their narrative.
Ted’s The Man.
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If you get sick as we all have over the course of our lives and take one of those tests you’re going to come up positive.
The flu is not new, Mr. Science
Hope this helps.
1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1957-1958-pandemic.html
1947: During the seasonal flu epidemic of 1947, investigators determine that changes in the antigenic composition of circulating influenza viruses has rendered existing vaccines ineffective, highlighting the need for continuous surveillance and characterization of circulating flu viruses.
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Nothing and no one has disproven anything Ted has said.
Symptomatically speaking, we have been getting ill at the same rate and frequency as before COVID.
Now, instead of flu or rhinovirus it’s Wuhan Flu.
They still have not isolated a full example of COVID 19. They only test for three small pieces of it furnished by CHINAHH.
Same number of people dying last year as would have with no COVID. Although the number slightly up from 2019 the increase was exactly the same year over year as the prior 5 years.
The irrefutable fact is no one knows what long term effects this “vaccine” will have. They deny any possibility of possible harm in the media and until they at least get honest and admit what they don’t know I will never take it.
Best wishes Motor City Madman praying for a swift recovery.
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No need to vaccinate Covid-19 survivors; they develop natural immunity: AIIMS Professor
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/no-need-to-vaccinate-covid-19-survivors-they-develop-natural-immunity-aiims-professor/article33911203.ece
Sorry, Fauci, Johns Hopkins Doctor Declares We're Close to COVID Herd Immunity
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/29/wsj-oped-herd-immunity-is-hereeven-if-fauci-doesnt-want-to-admit-it-n2587026
" Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins...he estimates that two-thirds of the country already had the virus"
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Tell Prime, he thinks you have to be a doctor to know anything about health.
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chicken hawk
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Nothing and no one has disproven anything Ted has said.
Symptomatically speaking, we have been getting ill at the same rate and frequency as before COVID.
Now, instead of flu or rhinovirus it’s Wuhan Flu.
They still have not isolated a full example of COVID 19. They only test for three small pieces of it furnished by CHINAHH.
Same number of people dying last year as would have with no COVID. Although the number slightly up from 2019 the increase was exactly the same year over year as the prior 5 years.
The irrefutable fact is no one knows what long term effects this “vaccine” will have. They deny any possibility of possible harm in the media and until they at least get honest and admit what they don’t know I will never take it.
Best wishes Motor City Madman praying for a swift recovery.
The reason for the increase is that the population is getting older.
BTW this covid denier shit is just a pejorative used on anyone who has the nerve to ask a question that’s even remotely out of the mainstream narrative. Same with this anti-VAX shit.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
He got coronavirus. It's too late for a vaccine.
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Why are you even here? You backstabbing prick
Just goofing around, having some fun on get big.
I previously posted about being wrong , doubting your 2020 Whitehouse Christmas party trip.
I will repeat that sentiment again , now.
Hope all is well and you have a much future success with your training biz.
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Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
Back and more brainwashed than ever.
Old lib men and their woman logic. I have discovered that if you treat them like you would a woman it's just less stress. ;D
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Back and more brainwashed than ever.
Old lib men and their woman logic. I have discovered that if you treat them like you would a woman it's just less stress. ;D
My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
Only a dumbass refuses to get a free vaccine to prevent getting a bad virus.
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My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
Only a dumbass refuses to get a free vaccine to prevent getting a bad virus.
All I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher.
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My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
Only a dumbass becomes a guinea pig just for a free experimental vaccine that doesn’t even prevent getting an easily survived virus.
Fixed.
So called vaccine does not prevent you from catching. Only exhibiting symptoms. They know 7000 fully vaccinated people have popped positive already in US, but how many more have it and don’t know? Nobody’s going to get a test when they don’t have any symptoms.
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All I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher.
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LOL, but I already know ,YOU refuse to absorb any view points that disagree with YOUR world view.
No sense wasting any more time or energy with a more detailed reply.
Have a nice day.
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It is true that GB's own Howard contemplates pleasuring a dude's balls with his tongue one day.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
Someone felt mildly ill for a few days, quick take an experimental drug!
Fucking degenerate moron.
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chicken hawk
Tell us about your military career Funk.
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It is true that GB's own Howard contemplates pleasuring a dude's balls with his tongue one day.
You should know , since you asked me to tea bag ya. ;D
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My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
Only a dumbass refuses to get a free vaccine to prevent getting a bad virus.
Ohhhh it's so bad. Had it. On a scale of 1 being mild and 10 meaning on death's door, it was about a 3. Damn you are such a fucking cuck, lol
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My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
Only a dumbass refuses to get a free vaccine to prevent getting a bad virus.
Eat shit Howard.
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The Movie Version of what’s happening to Howard in this thread:
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Someone felt mildly ill for a few days, quick take an experimental drug!
Fucking degenerate moron.
BINGO.
It's shit. He doesn't give fuck one. That boy had motherfcking Cat scratch fever!!!!
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Damn what a little snowflake drama queen
It's just the sniffles for fucks sake
Sack up you pussy
"I thought I was dying," Nugent says in a Facebook live video posted Monday. "I literally could hardly crawl out of bed the last few days," adding, "So I was officially tested positive for COVID-19 today."
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thank god you posted this, i had no fucking idea who Ted Nugent is
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The Movie Version of what’s happening to Howard in this thread:
LOL< good video zinger ;D
That's why I always come back to get big.
Thanks for the laugh!
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Ohhhh it's so bad. Had it. On a scale of 1 being mild and 10 meaning on death's door, it was about a 3. Damn you are such a fucking cuck, lol
Oh, no question that many on the progressive dem left, hyped the covid danger beyond the actual data.
A reliable poll recently showed that dems tend to INCREASE the potential death risk of covid.
But republicans tended to downplay it . BOTH extremes are misleading.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-and-democrats-see-covid-19-very-differently-is-that-making-people-sick/
The facts reveal that BOTH extremes were misleading on covid reality.
Meanwhile, I'll keep taking my vaccines and avoid getting this virus or a related illness.
FYI, now after getting both doses of the Pfizer vaccine , I have a near zero 0, chance of serious illness or death from covid.
I like those odds a lot better then NOT having the vaccine.
No vaccine is 100% , but having it greatly improves your odds or getting seriously ill or worse.
To me, it's a " no brainer" to take the vaccine .
Oh, before you (might) ask , I get my annual flu vaccine too.
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Tell us about your military career Funk.
TDS Army, Captain. :D
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Tell us about your military career Funk.
last time I checked thread isn't about me , it's about ted nugent. not that's it's any of your business but when I tried to enlist the doctors who examined me said that I had the worst bones spurs they ever saw.
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FYI, now after getting both doses of the Pfizer vaccine , I have a near zero 0, chance of serious illness or death from covid.
Statistically, your chances were exactly the same before you had the vaccine dumbass
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This^ He has already dealt with the symptoms so why get a vaccine that will make him suffer from the symptoms again.
Not that he's likely to get vaccinated, but he'd need to wait until he was out of quarantine, The CDC recommends people who have already had COVID-19 still get vaccinated. That's because the vaccine could create a bigger immune response.
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Not that he's likely to get vaccinated, but he'd need to wait until he was out of quarantine, The CDC recommends people who have already had COVID-19 still get vaccinated. That's because the vaccine could create a bigger immune response. will fuck you up long term
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last time I checked thread isn't about me , it's about ted nugent. not that's it's any of your business but when I tried to enlist the doctors who examined me said that I had the worst bones spurs they ever saw.
lol - what a pussy you are. You are a fucking weasel
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last time I checked thread isn't about me , it's about ted nugent. not that's it's any of your business but when I tried to enlist the doctors who examined me said that I had the worst bones spurs they ever saw.
lol - what a pussy you are. You are a fucking weasel
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Damn what a little snowflake drama queen
It's just the sniffles for fucks sake
Sack up you pussy
;D
Legit lol.
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I think I just saw my 9th wife...unless BMC beats me to her. ;D
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My wife and I got both doses of the Pfizer last month.
excellent.
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excellent.
Ok? Thanks ?
LOL, it was no big deal and it was free and convenient .
What bugs me, is how the same ones who refuse to wear a mask, also refuse to get a vaccine.
The vaccine INSURES you won't get seriously ill and greatly lowers your risk of passing covid to others.
Not getting a free vaccine to insure you won't catch a bad virus , makes no sense.
Even if you don't think covid can kill ya, why not get the vaccine just to be safe , like the seasonal flu?
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Thanks for this information doctor.
You're welcome. I have been treating a lot of Covid patients this past year. Many are involved in studies about their response to the virus. I am only a PT but I get to see the results of these studies. Looks like if you had it already that is the best defense beside the personal hygiene things you can do. You will see your own immune response will last longer than the vaccine in most patients.
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Ted Nugent is 100X more of an American patriot than any liberal alive.
Every liberal I’ve ever met looks like a cross between Brian Stelter and David Hogg.
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Not that he's likely to get vaccinated, but he'd need to wait until he was out of quarantine, The CDC recommends people who have already had COVID-19 still get vaccinated. That's because the vaccine could create a bigger immune response.
Well, since the CDC says to get vaccinated I will do that right away! ::)
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Recent data from NYC:
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Ted Nugent is 100X more of an American patriot than any liberal alive.
Truth.
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Wang dang sweet poontang.
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real patriot right there ::)
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while i liked his solo work, I think he performed better within the confines of the group dynamic. but like all rockers and actors , he should just stick to his craft and leave politics to the getbiggers in the know like coach and hypertwit.
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real patriot right there ::)
Why would a thinking man fight in a war when the conflict has zero to do with him, his family, his friends, and his community?
Ted’s actually in possession of an intelligent mind ... that is his and his alone.
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Nah, Ted is a solo act:
He wasn’t needed in Damn Yankees:
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Ted at his best:
I played the shit of that Double Live Gonzo Album when I was in HS.
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Draft dodging pussy crying cuz the sniffles almost killed him. Pitiful.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
if he didn't die, he got lab flu and felt like crap for a couple. isn't that what happens when you get influenza?
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Nah, Ted is a solo act:
He wasn’t needed in Damn Yankees:
I agree, I was just referencing American psycho to see if I'd get a rise.
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Draft dodging pussy crying cuz the sniffles almost killed him. Pitiful.
I think it's his personal right NOT to serve in the military .
But it puzzles me why so many "right wingers" think he's a great patriot and devoted citizen .
To me , it's lot harder to endure the day to day demands of military life and serve your country .
It's a lot harder to be a nurse or doc in a local ER or serve the needs to your community in the police, fire dept or EMT.
Ted Nugent is a talented musician with a few hit songs.
Yes, he SAYS some of the right things.
It's a hell of a lot easier TALKING, then DOING the right thing as part of your daily job.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
why would you get a vaccine if you already have antibodies from contracting the decease?
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why would you get a vaccine if you already have antibodies from contracting the decease?
Because Rachel Maddow and Donny Lemons says so.
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ted nugent is an arrogant prick,, just watch the vh1 behind the music on him.
great guitarist, and stranglehold is a great rock anthem, but ted as a person is a dick.
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why would you get a vaccine if you already have antibodies from contracting the decease?
I agree, there is some objective science that you get antibodies if you catch and then survive the virus.
The vaccine is just an insurance you'll have long lasting antibodies if you get exposed again.
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I agree, there is some objective science that you get antibodies if you catch and then survive the virus.
The vaccine is just an insurance you'll have long lasting antibodies if you get exposed again.
They are not long lasting. The developer of the vaccine says you’re gonna need a booster shot next year. and probably every year after that.
Pfizer-BioNTech booster likely needed as immunity wanes, says scientist who helped develop vaccine | TheHill
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/549558-pfizer-biontech-booster-likely-needed-as
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Ted Nugent is 100X more of an American patriot than any liberal alive.
Every liberal I’ve ever met looks like a cross between Brian Stelter and David Hogg.
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How would you describe what Ted Nugent looks like?
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Early Ted............he fucking cranks on this one !!
1968
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I think it's his personal right NOT to serve in the military .
But it puzzles me why so many "right wingers" think he's a great patriot and devoted citizen .
To me , it's lot harder to endure the day to day demands of military life and serve your country .
It's a lot harder to be a nurse or doc in a local ER or serve the needs to your community in the police, fire dept or EMT.
Ted Nugent is a talented musician with a few hit songs.
Yes, he SAYS some of the right things.
It's a hell of a lot easier TALKING, then DOING the right thing as part of your daily job.
because so many them are certified moron and hypocrites...and deadbeats
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Because Rachel Maddow and Donny Lemons says so.
I guess that explains why Trump and Pence both got the vaccine
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Straw Man
you argue American
politics on teh internet
because so many them are certified moron and hypocrites...and deadbeats
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Even if you don't think covid can kill ya, why not get the vaccine just to be safe , like the seasonal flu?
Because I'm in a low risk age group, in a low risk environment, and am healthy, I'm content to let more data accrue. It's not at all clear to me that it's a slam dunk, that the various vaccines are all equally good products which sell themselves without coercive tactics to increase adoption. The efficacy and side effects of each are still in question at this early stage, so declaring any and all of them to be the greatest thing ever seems premature to me.
Hey, maybe they're all equally great products and it'll turn out I should have just taken a shot ASAP, but there's simply not any long term data upon which to form that conclusion.
Your circumstances are different than mine. You are old. You are fat. You are sedentary and can't sharpen a chainsaw. You read the risk/benefit differently than I do. I'm fine with you choosing to take the shot. If asked why I'm not taking it, I'll give my reasons but I'm not trying to persuade you. You do you. I do me. Which is as it should be, right? Not me making you do something you don't want to do. Right?
What kind of a single fuck a vaccinated person would give about me being unvaccinated is a mystery to me. You don't need to see my certificate before I sit next to you on the airplane becasue you're protected now. So if you believe in the vaccine, let everyone who wants it get it, then let's open up the world, take a plane to the cruise ship and go out to dinner. Unless, of course, you aren't protected, which kind of erodes the case in favor of vaccination, no?
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I guess that explains why Trump and Pence both got the vaccine
I don't care who takes it. You have TDS, always thinking about Trump's daily life like gasping for air.
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while i liked his solo work, I think he performed better within the confines of the group dynamic. but like all rockers and actors , he should just stick to his craft and leave politics to the getbiggers in the know like coach and hypertwit.
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I agree, I was just referencing American psycho to see if I'd get a rise.
Dammit! Got here too late >:(
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Tested positive and said he felt like total crap for a few days.
Still won't get the vaccine for reasons that make sense to him. ::)
Who denies Covid-19 is a real virus?
If you can forgive the rest of us for being aware of the fact that COVID is 99.9% survivable in most age demographics [and is literally 2,807 times as deadly for people over 80 than people under 40 here in Canada], you can lock yourself in your basement forever, and let the rest of us move on with our lives.
And no, I'm not getting an untested gene therapy technology [it does not meet the traditional medical definition of a vaccine, so please stop calling it that] for a virus I probably got last February and recovered from in six days.
Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement with everyone else afraid of their shadow.
We would actually prefer this.
Your narrative of a massive global killer plague has disappeared. The low lethality rate, age demographic data on risk groups, and economic toll of all these measures which did little to nothing to actually prevent COVID from spreading in the actual at-risk demographic [over 80] has now undeniably gone. It serves you right for lying and gaslighting millions - quite possibly billions - of people and suffocating children in masks while telling them COVID is a deadly pandemic to all people equally when this is now all obviously completely horseshit.
As the months go on, their will be so many lawsuits with various world governments being unable to prove the claims of risks they made with any actual data to back it up that people will be pointing to politicians who said this, and asking for their HEADS ON STICKS, for fuck's sake.
Yet you STILL believe this shit.
Do you know even ONE PERSON who died of COVID, Howard? You daft twat.
And your lies about COVID being some great equalizer of death is directly what caused people to be pushed into mass hysteria mode, which resulted in 69% of all Covid-19 deaths in Canada to be in long-term care homes alone:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-record-covid-19-deaths-wealthy-countries-cihi-1.5968749
And yet you STILL go on.
Unbelievable.
You are a part of the reason why I'm forced to default to believe that all Little Hats are lying to my face every time they talk to me. The fuck is even wrong with you?
God, I hate that every post of yours I read just reaffirms racial stereotypes. I blame you in part for my anti-Semitism which I unfairly directed at OneMoreRep, when his posts versus yours are like fact versus fiction.
On a sort of positive note, I was somewhat impressed with how well the people of the world came together to fight a perceived shared global threat.
What I resent is the continued lies from your camp [your camp being left-wingers and mainstream media - not Jews].
You know, you can say whatever you want about my posts, but they tend to age well.
Your posts tend to age like your marriages. Or my marriages for that matter, if I was dumb enough to get into one.
I think I'm just a lot better at predicting the outcomes of things than you are [whether good or bad].
Covid-19 was not the global threat it claimed to be, and people globally participated in combating it anyway.
But when do you permit us to say "ENOUGH"?
Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement, Howard. No one is stopping you.
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Nothing and no one has disproven anything Ted has said.
Symptomatically speaking, we have been getting ill at the same rate and frequency as before COVID.
Now, instead of flu or rhinovirus it’s Wuhan Flu.
They still have not isolated a full example of COVID 19. They only test for three small pieces of it furnished by CHINAHH.
Same number of people dying last year as would have with no COVID. Although the number slightly up from 2019 the increase was exactly the same year over year as the prior 5 years.
The irrefutable fact is no one knows what long term effects this “vaccine” will have. They deny any possibility of possible harm in the media and until they at least get honest and admit what they don’t know I will never take it.
Best wishes Motor City Madman praying for a swift recovery.
Exactly. The global population went UP by 80 million people last year, LMAO.
Although that was a slightly lower INCREASE than the 81 million it went up by in 2019. Epic global killer plague. ::)
As Fortress said, if this bullshit requires me to wear a mask when I'm at the store to buy some eggs, fine. But that's the most I will be tolerating this. Canada is currently talking about forcing all Canadians to take the gene therapy "vaccine", or to be cancelled from society, essentially.
If that is the case, then I get cancelled. Oh well. I'll have other people buy anything I need from stores that I can't get delivered, and I can't as of yet be kicked out of my own home [although who knows what demands our loony bin government will demand here in time].
I just hope enough sheep line up to get the gene therapy innoculation so that Bill Gates and Big Pharma don't have to push it on everyone by writ of law.
Bill Gates, a man who can't even stop viruses from spreading all over his own computer software is not an expert physician and virologist. Oh brother. ::)
It was nice seeing Bill Gates go from almost universally supported as a triple-digit multibillionaire to having his reputation destroyed in the blink of an eye. As OneMoreRep said, complete snake in the grass:
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@Matt
you make alot of sense..but so does this guy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/m0rove/when_the_200ug_tabs_turns_out_to_really_be_200ug/
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If being in the basement was good enough for Biden , it's good enough for me.
Plus, I have my Bow Flex down there. My treadmill looks out the NORTH window, so I can see Canada ;)
May a large Canuck moose, shove an antler up your ass. Good time 'eh Matt :D
Here you are, back in the day, when you were young and full of jizz ;D
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Being infected with SARS-CoV-2 produces a broader range of antibodies than the vaccines, which produce only the spike protein. Natural infection produces T-cell memory, which the vaccines do not. It is T-cell memory that gives lasting immunity to SARS-CoV-2 (years, possibly decades). The antibodies fade away in less than 6 months. This is why vaccine immunity is not lasting. I had Covid-19 last year and gave blood about 6 months latter. They tested my blood and found no antibodies at all. Nevertheless, I am certain it was covid-19 that I had because the experience was totally different than any cold or flu I've ever had. If you've had covid-19, not only are the vaccines useless. They add additional risk that is entirely unnecessary.
It is worth considering that the spike protein that the vaccines were designed to produce came from the Chinese early last year. No one over here bothered to isolate themselves. My understanding is that no one here in the West has even bothered to sequence this virus. They are all relying on data supplied by the Chinese. The spike protein that the vaccines are designed to produce was ASSUMED to be harmless in the absence of the "N" part of the virus. There was ZERO scientific evidence for this assertion. Some one recently conducted a test where they added the spike protein to whole blood in a petri dish. Guess what? Clotting resulted in that blood sample. It turns out that no one in the medical establishment even bothered to do this simple experiment to check if the spike protein was indeed harmless or not on its own.
The system is rotten through and through. There is a reason why more and more people are avoiding not only the vaccinces themselve, but the medical system in general. The only time that I will go to a doctor is if I'm suffer trauma injury of any kind (e.g. car accident, gun shut wound, etc.). I will avoid the medical system in all other cases.
Besides, there's a lot of DIY stuff happening in the life extension milieu.
longecity.com/forums
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Being infected with SARS-CoV-2 produces a broader range of antibodies than the vaccines, which produce only the spike protein. Natural infection produces T-cell memory, which the vaccines do not. It is T-cell memory that gives lasting immunity to SARS-CoV-2 (years, possibly decades). The antibodies fade away in less than 6 months. This is why vaccine immunity is not lasting. I had Covid-19 last year and gave blood about 6 months latter. They tested my blood and found no antibodies at all. Nevertheless, I am certain it was covid-19 that I had because the experience was totally different than any cold or flu I've ever had. If you've had covid-19, not only are the vaccines useless. They add additional risk that is entirely unnecessary.
It is worth considering that the spike protein that the vaccines were designed to produce came from the Chinese early last year. No one over here bothered to isolate themselves. My understanding is that no one here in the West has even bothered to sequence this virus. They are all relying on data supplied by the Chinese. The spike protein that the vaccines are designed to produce was ASSUMED to be harmless in the absence of the "N" part of the virus. There was ZERO scientific evidence for this assertion. Some one recently conducted a test where they added the spike protein to whole blood in a petri dish. Guess what? Clotting resulted in that blood sample. It turns out that no one in the medical establishment even bothered to do this simple experiment to check if the spike protein was indeed harmless or not on its own.
The system is rotten through and through. There is a reason why more and more people are avoiding not only the vaccinces themselve, but the medical system in general. The only time that I will go to a doctor is if I'm suffer trauma injury of any kind (e.g. car accident, gun shut wound, etc.). I will avoid the medical system in all other cases.
Besides, there's a lot of DIY stuff happening in the life extension milieu.
longecity.com/forums
I'll give you credit for posting some personal experience and trying to avoid crazy conspiracy nonsense.
However the mRNA vaccine is geared to attack the protein spike of covid19 and render it useless.
From personal anecdotal accounts, we have some credible reports that indicate the immune response from positive covid victims doesn't last that long. The vaccine appears to be longer lasting , at least with the Pfizer and Moderna BUT the jury is still out on that.
I'm older so my wife and I go both doses of the Pfizer last month. No side effects .
I understand using caution, but right now , the vaccine is the best shot at eradication of covid.
Thanks again for providing a thoughtful post on a tough topic.
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I'll give you credit for posting some personal experience and trying to avoid crazy conspiracy nonsense.
However the mRNA vaccine is geared to attack the protein spike of covid19 and render it useless.
From personal anecdotal accounts, we have some credible reports that indicate the immune response from positive covid victims doesn't last that long. The vaccine appears to be longer lasting , at least with the Pfizer and Moderna BUT the jury is still out on that.
I'm older so my wife and I go both doses of the Pfizer last month. No side effects .
I understand using caution, but right now , the vaccine is the best shot at eradication of covid.
Thanks again for providing a thoughtful post on a tough topic.
Howard what are you saying in the bolded part?
That the vaccine lasts longer than the covid antibody?
I’m not trolling I’m trying to make sense of what you’re saying, it looks like you’re saying the vaccine might or might not be...
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In my case, getting the vaccine is not a rational choice.
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In my case, getting the vaccine is not a rational choice.
Just as in most cases.
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Howard what are you saying in the bolded part?
That the vaccine lasts longer than the covid antibody?
I’m not trolling I’m trying to make sense of what you’re saying, it looks like you’re saying the vaccine might or might not be...
It doesn’t matter. The story changes on a weekly basis. A few weeks ago the head of the CDC was warning of impending doom. Now Fauci is saying that outdoor activities present minuscule risk.
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If being in the basement was good enough for Biden , it's good enough for me.
Plus, I have my Bow Flex down there. My treadmill looks out the NORTH window, so I can see Canada ;)
May a large Canuck moose, shove an antler up your ass. Good time 'eh Matt :D
Here you are, back in the day, when you were young and full of jizz ;D
&t=79s cool video both those guys look special.
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Apparently, Covid causes fires now.😂😂
How can anybody take the government and its media water carriers seriously at this point?
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Apparently, Covid causes fires now.😂😂
How can anybody take the government and its media water carriers seriously at this point?
nah, It's space lasers causing them
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So far we’ve been right here about lockdowns and now masks. Vaccines won’t be any different. The backlash will be coming soon.
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Howard what are you saying in the bolded part?
That the vaccine lasts longer than the covid antibody?
I’m not trolling I’m trying to make sense of what you’re saying, it looks like you’re saying the vaccine might or might not be...
Simple...nobody knows the longevity of the effective immune response from any vaccine now.
It's only been in mainstream use for 6mos.
However, based on what is known, the vaccine appears to have a much longer immunity response then those who caught covid and recovered.
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In my case, getting the vaccine is not a rational choice.
I'm sorry, but that's totally wrong.
The goal now is to eradicate the covid virus.
The vaccine is our best shot to do that quickly.
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I'm sorry, but that's totally wrong.
(http://The goal now is to eradicate the covid virus.)
The vaccine is our best shot to do that quickly.
its a coronavirus it will always be around in one form or another. less mortality but still around, just like we cant eradicate the common cold..
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its a coronavirus it will always be around in one form or another. less mortality but still around, just like we cant eradicate the common cold..
No, we have to pretend this is something new and that there hasn’t been a flu season every year before 2020:
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its a coronavirus it will always be around in one form or another. less mortality but still around, just like we cant eradicate the common cold..
This is where things get complicated and virology isn't my field, so I'm ignorant on some of the key details.
All I do know is that we can eradicate the Covid-19 virus and similar variants with the vaccine.
I "THINK" the dangerous part of this virus is located in the protein spike. The mRNA vaccine targets that.
Every medical expert (I know) adds, we need to get most people vaccinated quickly to eradicate the disease.
When people refuse the vaccine, it allows for the original virus to linger and eventually mutate .
Right now, we have a few mutations but they are similar enough , that the vaccine still works on 'em.
This is why it's important to get the vaccine NOW! It's our best path forward . Let's not allow perfect to be the enemy of the good.
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We also have to pretend that Vaccines have been the reason for the decline in cases when the same thing happened last year in the absence of Vaccines:
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I'm sorry, but that's totally wrong.
The goal now is to eradicate the covid virus.
The vaccine is our best shot to do that quickly.
A non-obese person has a 0.2% chance dying from the virus itself. The same individual has a 0.02% chance of dying from the vaccine itself. Your chances of getting the virus was 10% last year, and will decline each year there after. Thus, the risk of dying from the vaccine is comparable to that of the virus any given year (you only have 10% chance of getting the virus itself). Since I already had covid-19, I already passed the first risk. There is no reason for me to accept the additional risk of the vaccine. Thus, it is not a rational choice for me to get the vaccine.
All medical interventions involve risk. This is why the decision to undergo any given medical intervention is done only after careful risk/benefit analysis, an analysis that must be done purely on the basis of personal protection. For example, when I do life extension stuff, anything from taking CoQ-10, NAD+, etc al the way up to senolytics with stem cell regeneration, I do so only after careful consideration of the benefit/risk to myself, where I deem the benefit outweighs the risk. I make all medical decisions on this basis and no other. I have NEVER made any medical decision on any other criteria and never will.
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The goal now is to eradicate the covid virus.
An impossibility. Get even a slight grip, tosser.
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A non-obese person has a 0.2% chance dying from the virus itself. The same individual has a 0.02% chance of dying from the vaccine itself. Your chances of getting the virus was 10% last year, and will decline each year there after. Thus, the risk of dying from the vaccine is comparable to that of the virus any given year (you only have 10% chance of getting the virus itself). Since I already had covid-19, I already passed the first risk. There is no reason for me to accept the additional risk of the vaccine. Thus, it is not a rational choice for me to get the vaccine.
All medical interventions involve risk. This is why the decision to undergo any given medical intervention is done only after careful risk/benefit analysis, an analysis that must be done purely on the basis of personal protection. For example, when I do life extension stuff, anything from taking CoQ-10, NAD+, etc al the way up to senolytics with stem cell regeneration, I do so only after careful consideration of the benefit/risk to myself, where I deem the benefit outweighs the risk. I make all medical decisions on this basis and no other. I have NEVER made any medical decision on any other criteria and never will.
I respect your opinion on this and it's obvious you're aware of the data.
However, for me it's a lot more simple . 200 million got a vaccine shot already. That's working well.
LOL, even Trump got a vaccine after he recovered from catching it.
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A non-obese person has a 0.2% chance dying from the virus itself. The same individual has a 0.02% chance of dying from the vaccine itself. Your chances of getting the virus was 10% last year, and will decline each year there after. Thus, the risk of dying from the vaccine is comparable to that of the virus any given year (you only have 10% chance of getting the virus itself). Since I already had covid-19, I already passed the first risk. There is no reason for me to accept the additional risk of the vaccine. Thus, it is not a rational choice for me to get the vaccine.
All medical interventions involve risk. This is why the decision to undergo any given medical intervention is done only after careful risk/benefit analysis, an analysis that must be done purely on the basis of personal protection. For example, when I do life extension stuff, anything from taking CoQ-10, NAD+, etc al the way up to senolytics with stem cell regeneration, I do so only after careful consideration of the benefit/risk to myself, where I deem the benefit outweighs the risk. I make all medical decisions on this basis and no other. I have NEVER made any medical decision on any other criteria and never will.
LOL that you get a more comprehensive analysis on an obscure bodybuilding board than from the entire main stream media combined.😂😂
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Tosser. ;D I'm not even sure what that means but it's still funny.
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I respect your opinion on this and it's obvious you're aware of the data.
However, for me it's a lot more simple . 200 million got a vaccine shot already. That's working well.
LOL, even Trump got a vaccine after he recovered from catching it.
Gee one would think that a man of science like yourself would know that correlation doesn’t equal causation. You have no idea what went on with Trump and cases fall off a cliff every year at this time because flu season is ending.
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LOL that you get a more comprehensive analysis on an obscure bodybuilding board than from the entire main stream media combined.😂😂
I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.
In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .
I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the best shot to get thru a problem.
I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.
At the end of the day, my wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.
We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.
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I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.
In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .
I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the best shot to get thru a problem.
I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.
At the end of the day, my wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.
We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.
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Howard this is correct.
And it is also true of the virus itself, hence why many are opposed to a vaccine after being told this virus was a death sentence.
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Gee one would think that a man of science like yourself would know that correlation doesn’t equal causation. You have no idea what went on with Trump and cases fall off a cliff every year at this time because flu season is ending.
He did and so did Melania , privately in the WH ( see Fox news link)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine
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Howard this is correct.
And it is also true of the virus itself, hence why many are opposed to a vaccine after being told this virus was a death sentence.
I've always said that the progressive left tends to increase the death risks and the hard right downplays it.
The real danger ( to me ) is being hospitalized and having to receive serious medical care ( like Trump) or worse by being put on a vent.
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This is where things get complicated and virology isn't my field, so I'm ignorant on some of the key details.
All I do know is that we can eradicate the Covid-19 virus and similar variants with the vaccine.
I "THINK" the dangerous part of this virus is located in the protein spike. The mRNA vaccine targets that.
Every medical expert (I know) adds, we need to get most people vaccinated quickly to eradicate the disease.
When people refuse the vaccine, it allows for the original virus to linger and eventually mutate .
Right now, we have a few mutations but they are similar enough , that the vaccine still works on 'em.
This is why it's important to get the vaccine NOW! It's our best path forward . Let's not allow perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?
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@Matt
you make alot of sense..but so does this guy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/m0rove/when_the_200ug_tabs_turns_out_to_really_be_200ug/
He doesn't make any sense, lol.
Is 200ug of Acid routinely faked? What's a standard acid trip dose?
I heard acid is just like seeing everything in neon, but nothing otherworldly [like DMT presumably, which Joe Rogan pushes a lot].
Are you familiar with acid? My friend is a huge fan, and the way he described it, it didn't sound like it was crazy, but from what I read, it's capable of taking a turn.
I'm sure it would end badly if I took it, and cause my posts to triple in size.
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Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?
If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?
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If being in the basement was good enough for Biden , it's good enough for me.
Plus, I have my Bow Flex down there. My treadmill looks out the NORTH window, so I can see Canada ;)
May a large Canuck moose, shove an antler up your ass. Good time 'eh Matt :D
Here you are, back in the day, when you were young and full of jizz ;D
Not anymore. The second last woman I was with completely destroyed all that. I think the bitch impacted my epigenetics, and shut my sex drive down [plus turning 40 this year].
You are similar to Nicholas Cage - either a marriage addict or a glutton for punishment or possibly both.
As for COVID - it's just not the lethal threat it was claimed to be initially. It's 99.73% survivable in people under 70.
Had we chilled and gotten a grip on this, maybe more efforts could have been made to protect the elderly [the only real at-risk group, i.e., over 80]. Also, unscientific morons wearing masks made us target non-mask wearing people as the problem, when all studies show that MASKS DO NEXT TO NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD.
It only makes a difference if you HAVE COVID [obviously you need to HAVE a virus in order to spread it!], and that usually means being symptomatic.
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Matt, I'll be 63 this year and have been married 3x. The 9 wives stuff is a self deprecating joke.
Glad to hear you're doing well and still training hard up there in the Northern Tundra.
Just don't do bent over rows when a large male moose is outside your gym ;D
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Who denies Covid-19 is a real virus?
If you can forgive the rest of us for being aware of the fact that COVID is 99.9% survivable in most age demographics [and is literally 2,807 times as deadly for people over 80 than people under 40 here in Canada], you can lock yourself in your basement forever, and let the rest of us move on with our lives.
And no, I'm not getting an untested gene therapy technology [it does not meet the traditional medical definition of a vaccine, so please stop calling it that] for a virus I probably got last February and recovered from in six days.
Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement with everyone else afraid of their shadow.
We would actually prefer this.
Your narrative of a massive global killer plague has disappeared. The low lethality rate, age demographic data on risk groups, and economic toll of all these measures which did little to nothing to actually prevent COVID from spreading in the actual at-risk demographic [over 80] has now undeniably gone. It serves you right for lying and gaslighting millions - quite possibly billions - of people and suffocating children in masks while telling them COVID is a deadly pandemic to all people equally when this is now all obviously completely horseshit.
As the months go on, their will be so many lawsuits with various world governments being unable to prove the claims of risks they made with any actual data to back it up that people will be pointing to politicians who said this, and asking for their HEADS ON STICKS, for fuck's sake.
Yet you STILL believe this shit.
Do you know even ONE PERSON who died of COVID, Howard? You daft twat.
And your lies about COVID being some great equalizer of death is directly what caused people to be pushed into mass hysteria mode, which resulted in 69% of all Covid-19 deaths in Canada to be in long-term care homes alone:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-record-covid-19-deaths-wealthy-countries-cihi-1.5968749
And yet you STILL go on.
Unbelievable.
You are a part of the reason why I'm forced to default to believe that all Little Hats are lying to my face every time they talk to me. The fuck is even wrong with you?
God, I hate that every post of yours I read just reaffirms racial stereotypes. I blame you in part for my anti-Semitism which I unfairly directed at OneMoreRep, when his posts versus yours are like fact versus fiction.
On a sort of positive note, I was somewhat impressed with how well the people of the world came together to fight a perceived shared global threat.
What I resent is the continued lies from your camp [your camp being left-wingers and mainstream media - not Jews].
You know, you can say whatever you want about my posts, but they tend to age well.
Your posts tend to age like your marriages. Or my marriages for that matter, if I was dumb enough to get into one.
I think I'm just a lot better at predicting the outcomes of things than you are [whether good or bad].
Covid-19 was not the global threat it claimed to be, and people globally participated in combating it anyway.
But when do you permit us to say "ENOUGH"?
Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement, Howard. No one is stopping you.
Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.
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Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID Vaccine
Fixed it for you.
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Fixed it for you.
LOL, funny . :D
I know, I know, I know the mantra. You're the smart ones with the secret knowledge.
I have no idea what (if any) conspiracy theories you buy into . But here's the way I see it:
Having a decent, happy , normal life is all about enduring daily crap.
You get up with the alarm, shower, shave, eat , dress and show up to work.
If you're lucky, you get to share your life with a loving wife . Most men, also want kids .
You save your money, build your credit, keep your nose clean , buy a house, car , etc
If you stay the course, you eventually get to retire and have more free time to fart around.
It's tempting to think , those in high places have some secret knowledge or insider group helping them.
Maybe? But it's more likely they got lucky , inherited wealth , found a niche .
Some had the brains or talent to make it big.
Most (like me) posting here will live, work and die in relative obscurity.
So do your best to eek out some financial security and hold on tight to your loved ones.
That's life for 99% of us poor working slobs.
Hope this helps...well, not really ;)
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I'm sure it would end badly if I took it, and cause my posts to triple in size.
Oh hell no...absolutely hell fucking no. Getbig cannot survive this.
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Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.
I remember hearing that AIDS was going to explode into the heterosexual population. More than 30 years later we’re still waiting for that to happen.
Ironically it was the same little shit, Fauci, that told us that.
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Oh hell no...absolutely hell fucking no. Getbig cannot survive this.
Finally, we agree on something.
In related news hell just opened an ice skating rink. ;)
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Finally, we agree on something.
In related news hell just opened an ice skating rink. ;)
Fuck off you fat inbred stupid kunt.
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I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.
Howard this is correct.
there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.
those dangers r reality.
to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.
enjoy hell.
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the mRNA vaccine is geared to attack the protein spike of covid19 and render it useless.
mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are really ‘gene therapy’ and not vaccines
former professor at the University of Virginia’s school of medicine Dr. David Martin, Ph.D
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-are-really-gene-therapy-and-not-vaccines-ethicist
“The problem is that in the case of Moderna and Pfizer, this is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy,” he continued. The Moderna and Pfizer creations send “a strand of synthetic RNA into the human being and is invoking within the human being the creation of the S1 spike protein, which is a pathogen.”
“This is not only not keeping you from getting sick, it’s making your body produce the thing that makes you sick,” Martin added.
The interviewer admitted that this description – that the injection makes one's body produce an effect that makes one sick – sounds somewhat similar to the effect of vaccines.
But Martin countered that it is “not at all” like a vaccine, since “a vaccine is supposed to trigger immunity. It’s not supposed to trigger you to make a toxin.”
“It’s not somewhat different. It’s not the same at all,” Martin explained. “It’s a means by which your body is conscripted to make the toxin that then allegedly your body somehow gets used to dealing with, but unlike a vaccine, which is to trigger the immune response, this is to trigger the creation of the toxin.”
Targeting the pharmaceutical companies behind the supposed vaccinations, Martin alleged that they have manipulated clinical trial methodology to push their “vaccines” through development and production.
“They (pharmaceutical companies) said they could not test for the existence or absence of the virus and they could not test for the transmissivity because they said it would be impractical. (lol) The companies themselves have admitted to every single thing I’m saying, but they are using the public manipulation of the word vaccine to co-opt the public into believing they’re getting a thing which they are not getting.”
Instead, Martin warns that an mRNA injection “is not going to stop you from getting coronavirus. It’s not going to stop you from getting sick. In fact, on the contrary, it will make you sick far more often than the virus itself.”
Martin presented data confirming his claim, noting that after receiving their second shot of the jab, “80 percent of people had one or more clinical presentations of COVID-19,” whereas “80 percent of people who have an infection according to RT-PCR have no symptoms at all.”
Explaining what the figures mean, he said that people “will get COVID-19 symptoms from getting the gene therapy passed off as a vaccine. You will get COVID symptoms from that 80 percent of the time. If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 according to RT-PCR (positive PCR test), 80 percent of the time you will have no symptoms at all.”
Looking more closely at the claims emanating from the clinical trials, Martin questioned the integrity of companies developing mRNA “gene therapy technology.”
“A human being is going to be potentially exposed to unclassified, both short-term and long-term, risks of altering their RNA and DNA from exposure to this gene therapy,” Martin warned. Of the 40,000 participants in Moderna’s clinical trial, Martin noted that only a “few hundred people had a few days less severe symptoms with the gene therapy when compared to the other control group.”
Even this, he said, is unreliable information, as the pharmaceutical firms “separate out adverse events from actual COVID symptoms.” This allowed the companies to reclassify “a lot of what would have been considered to be COVID symptoms by calling them adverse events,” giving rise to “this ridiculous 90 percent plus effectiveness.”
“As a result of that, we have both a methodology problem, which by the way, has been criticized by a number of clinical scientists. The bigger problem is that they’re still not measuring viral susceptibility and viral transmission. Those are the two legs of the stool that is (sic) required for anyone to say that they are vaccinating a population for public health reasons.”
Martin advised that “this (gene therapy) is not a prophylactic, this is not helping us, we are being told to take a treatment for a disease we don’t have and most likely will not have.”
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there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.
those dangers r reality.
to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.
enjoy hell.
Your ref. source is a real prof at the Univ of Va. and obviously knows some bioscience.
BUT, the site he's published on ( you linked ) is a pro-life, Christian based site with a "faith agenda".
I don't know enough on the topic to give you a sensible debate , as it's out of my field.
However, this biased report won't be found in a refereed scientific journal or be listed on the CDC or purely biomedical source.
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you're not saying anything.
you're not capable of saying anything:
there is no mystery in regard to mRNA tech – the dangers r known.
that's another reason why u r an imbecile – u spout off, ignorantly - to the detriment of humanity.
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there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.
those dangers r reality.
to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.
enjoy hell.
At least quote my whole post.
My point was the virus wasn't as deadly as advertised.
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you're not saying anything.
you're not capable of saying anything:
Show me a study from a recognized biomedical science journal and you'll have some credible info to debate.
Your study comes from a source that's about promoting some agenda, just like you .
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At least quote my whole post.
My point was the virus wasn't as deadly as advertised.
You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.
The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
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The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/
For many, reality is distorted by their political views.
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You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.
The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
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The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/
For many, reality is distorted by their political views.
Fair points.
All my covid information was from news sites not political sites though.
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Fair points.
All my covid information was from news sites not political sites though.
Most of the cable news sites have some form of bias on reporting covid.
CNN and MSNBC tend to give the viewer a sense of doom from covid .
But Fox and OAN tend to make you feel covid is no big deal.
BOTH are wrong.
The best source , in my opinion , is your local/state 6:00 news show.
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Most of the cable news sites have some form of bias on reporting covid.
CNN and MSNBC tend to give the viewer a sense of doom from covid .
But Fox and OAN tend to make you feel covid is no big deal.
BOTH are wrong.
The best source , in my opinion , is your local/state 6:00 news show.
I watched them all. I never noticed a bias. No one said stay mask free.
Local news in the LA market wasn’t reporting anything differently.
Covid was a death sentence.
It was actually talking with medical professionals who gave me legitimate information.
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If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?
Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.
Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.
I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.
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Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?
Coercing people into any medical intervention, wahtsoever, without proper informed consent is a crime against humanity, and people were hanged for this crime in the Nuremburg Trials following the defeat of Nazi Germany. Coercion includes not just legal force, but any social or economic manipulation applied to the individual as well. It is worth considering that vaccines are the only products manufactured in the U.S. where the manufacturers have complete immunity from liability. Not even other medical compounds (for example, Vioxx) have this immunity from liability. This means that if I take a vaccine now, and end up with any kind of autoimmune disorder a few years down the road, I have no legal recourse nor any possibility of compensation whatsoever. This reason alone is good enough reason to avoid any vaccinations, whatsoever.
No liability, no mandates.
I am 58 years old, and have a physique better than probably 97% of all of the young guys out there. I do not take any prescription meds whatsoever, and do not feel any "aches or pains" or any of the other crap that most people of my generation complain of. Perhaps I am lucky and won the genetic lottery. Or maybe, just maybe, I know what the f**k i'm doing with my own bio-engineering of my health and vitality. If what I am doing is working out for me, I see no reason to change it.
The notion that a healthy person can benefit others by accepting medical risk has no basis in either science or morality.
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If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?
GOOD POINT! These vaccines do not offer sterilizing immunity. This is why they can potentiate worse strains of the virus in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. This was the problem with the original Salk polio vaccine that was, fortunately, caught in time with the Sabin vaccine. That famous photo of all those people in iron lungs is the Cutter Incident. They all got polio from the Salk vaccine.
The problem with the covid-19 vaccines is that they really do not work. Worse, they come with the risk of ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) reactions of which coronaviruses are notorious for. There is a reason why, in the past, non-sterilizing vaccines were considered medically unsound.
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I am not completely against vaccines.
If the John Ringo Bird Flu showed up with its 60% mortality rate, of course I would get the vaccine, if it were available. Same for the Chtorran plagues.
If I get bit by a dog and I am not 100% certain it is not rabid, I will go for the rabis shots, even though they can have rather nasty side effects.
My point is that all medical intervention involves risk. That is why the decision to undergo such risk must be a purely personal decision and one made exclusively on the basis of self-protection.
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I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
credible info to debate.
lol... a tard, who admittedly has no idea what he is talking about... is now prepared to debate the matter.
but of course u r.
I've posted an avalanche of evidence on this very forum that refutes fauci's deceptive narrative, and illuminates the dangers of this experimental technological cocktail of shit, and will continue to do so.
u r too stupid to comprehend reality, and that is fine with me.
enjoy the fruits of your defective cognitive function, phaggot.
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You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.
The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
and
The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/
For many, reality is distorted by their political views.
What if Trump hadn't downplayed COVID-19 and he took it seriously from the start? Would this have lessened the degree of panic that ensued later when enough people got really sick and very often died? Or maybe folks are inherently skeptical of anything they don't understand which means, this pandemic was destined to play out exactly as it has been.
Since Trump's followers will follow him wherever he takes them, including over a cliff. If he'd have gone all out on pandemic, strongly encouraging/mandating sheltering in place, mask wearing and vaccinations, would conservatives have followed suit? Likewise, would liberals have pooh poohed all of those recommendations be the ones who are the antivaxxers, anti mask wearers and in complete denial about the seriousness of COVID?
These days there seems to be no middle ground regardless of what the issue is. People are either all in or all out. The truth of most matters lay somewhere in the middle and not at the extremes. These days, the pendulum swings wildly from one wall to the next hitting that surface with a very loud clang and gaining momentum rather than losing it.
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Because I'm in a low risk age group, in a low risk environment, and am healthy, I'm content to let more data accrue. It's not at all clear to me that it's a slam dunk, that the various vaccines are all equally good products which sell themselves without coercive tactics to increase adoption. The efficacy and side effects of each are still in question at this early stage, so declaring any and all of them to be the greatest thing ever seems premature to me.
Hey, maybe they're all equally great products and it'll turn out I should have just taken a shot ASAP, but there's simply not any long term data upon which to form that conclusion.
Your circumstances are different than mine. You are old. You are fat. You are sedentary and can't sharpen a chainsaw. You read the risk/benefit differently than I do. I'm fine with you choosing to take the shot. If asked why I'm not taking it, I'll give my reasons but I'm not trying to persuade you. You do you. I do me. Which is as it should be, right? Not me making you do something you don't want to do. Right?
What kind of a single fuck a vaccinated person would give about me being unvaccinated is a mystery to me. You don't need to see my certificate before I sit next to you on the airplane becasue you're protected now. So if you believe in the vaccine, let everyone who wants it get it, then let's open up the world, take a plane to the cruise ship and go out to dinner. Unless, of course, you aren't protected, which kind of erodes the case in favor of vaccination, no?
And let's not forget everyone saying it's safe... until there is a recall.
I'm all fairness, the vaccines that Trump created were safe. The J&J came out during Harris Administration.
Either way, we're supposed to trust the government who lies to us all the time?
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We're going to be hearing why we don't have a right to refuse. That's coming. I think it'll be more or less what Howard layed out.
You're hurting people by not taking it because mutations.
You're not allowed to hurt people.
Therefore you have to take it.
The mistaken counter-argument will be to deny the particular claims, namely that mutations arise and could harm the vaccinated. This position agrees with the premise of the mandatory vaccination argument: That the foundation of individual rights is the benefit which they afford the community, and those rights are canceled whenever they harm the community, which is incorrect although I admit it's a seductive position.
I don't want to sound like one of those guys but... it really is beginning to look a lot like communism. Couple that with the frankfurt theory fracturing of western society, and the delegitimization of information...yes, both have been around for awhile, but the increased amplitude is hard not to notice.
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We're going to be hearing why we don't have a right to refuse. That's coming. I think it'll be more or less what Howard layed out.
You're hurting people by not taking it because mutations.
You're not allowed to hurt people.
Therefore you have to take it.
The mistaken counter-argument will be to deny the particular claims, namely that mutations arise and could harm the vaccinated. This position agrees with the premise of the mandatory vaccination argument: That the foundation of individual rights is the benefit which they afford the community, and those rights are canceled whenever they harm the community, which is incorrect although I admit it's a seductive position.
I don't want to sound like one of those guys but... it really is beginning to look a lot like communism. Couple that with the frankfurt theory fracturing of western society, and the delegitimization of information...yes, both have been around for awhile, but the increased amplitude is hard not to notice.
This. I will absolutely refuse to get it. Why you ask? I have little chance of anything serious happening to me.
I'll print myself up a card if necessary. This shit is straight up communism.
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To:
Your meat is hurting my meat.
Therefore, I have a right to control your meat.
Guess my unsophisticated counter-argument goes:
No, you don't. It's way more mine than yours.
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I'll print myself up a card if necessary.
you will not be able to do that
'In some embodiments, the payload may be a detectable agent, such as various organic small molecules, inorganic compounds, nanoparticles, enzymes or enzyme substrates, fluorescent materials, luminescent materials (e.g., luminol), bioluminescent materials (e.g., luciferase, luciferin, and aequorin), chemiluminescent materials, radioactive materials'
'Detectable label: As used herein, “detectable label” refers to one or more markers, signals, or moieties which are attached, incorporated or associated with another entity that is readily detected by methods known in the art including radiography, fluorescence, chemiluminescence, enzymatic activity, absorbance and the like. Detectable labels include radioisotopes, fluorophores, chromophores, enzymes, dyes, metal ions, ligands such as biotin, avidin, streptavidin and haptens, quantum dots, and the like. Detectable labels may be located at any position in the peptides or proteins disclosed herein. They may be within the amino acids, the peptides, or proteins, or located at the N- or C-termini.'
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
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you will not be able to do that
There's a lot of information online on how to make/obtain one, but I realize it may not work everywhere.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccination-cards-fake-scammers-fraud/
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And let's not forget everyone saying it's safe... until there is a recall.
I'm all fairness, the vaccines that Trump created were safe. The J&J came out during Harris Administration.
Either way, we're supposed to trust the government who lies to us all the time?
There is no reason to think there is a relationship between the safety of vaccines and who holds a particular political office. Presidents and Vice Presidents aren't scientists. However, if they are smart, they listen to what the experts have to say.
Someone else who isn't particularly smart when speaking during an address to the people on National television say, "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." ::)
Oh right, later this person said they were being sarcastic....right.
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You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.
The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
and
The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/
For many, reality is distorted by their political views.
COVID is 99.73% survivable for people under 70. Most of us on here get our information from scientific studies, not news or political websites.
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Coercing people into any medical intervention, wahtsoever, without proper informed consent is a crime against humanity, and people were hanged for this crime in the Nuremburg Trials following the defeat of Nazi Germany. Coercion includes not just legal force, but any social or economic manipulation applied to the individual as well. It is worth considering that vaccines are the only products manufactured in the U.S. where the manufacturers have complete immunity from liability. Not even other medical compounds (for example, Vioxx) have this immunity from liability. This means that if I take a vaccine now, and end up with any kind of autoimmune disorder a few years down the road, I have no legal recourse nor any possibility of compensation whatsoever. This reason alone is good enough reason to avoid any vaccinations, whatsoever.
No liability, no mandates.
I am 58 years old, and have a physique better than probably 97% of all of the young guys out there. I do not take any prescription meds whatsoever, and do not feel any "aches or pains" or any of the other crap that most people of my generation complain of. Perhaps I am lucky and won the genetic lottery. Or maybe, just maybe, I know what the f**k i'm doing with my own bio-engineering of my health and vitality. If what I am doing is working out for me, I see no reason to change it.
The notion that a healthy person can benefit others by accepting medical risk has no basis in either science or morality.
People get sick because of pollution and wrong foods. There are no cures that medicine can provide besides helping in emergency cases. It's mostly a snakeoil industry.
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Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.
Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.
I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.
As has been said here, mutations occur in people with compromised immune systems, vis a vis fat fucks. Why hasn’t the Government called out the obese telling them to exercise and lose weight but feels free to tell healthy people to get vaccinated?
Answer: Because the whole thing is a fucking fraud.
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From the headline, you’d think the guidelines are just for vaccinated people but if you actually look at what the CDC says the outdoor guidelines are the same for unvaccinated.
I could not possibly hate The NY Times more.
C.D.C. Eases Outdoor Mask Guidance for Vaccinated Americans
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/27/us/politics/coronavirus-masks-outdoors.html
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Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.
Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.
I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.
Sorry 'bout that, but I didn't realize you wanted to me to address any legal requirements for getting a vaccine.
To me, this is simple, but to others might sound compromised:
Like most previous vaccines, you're only REQUIRED to get one if you attend public school , join the military, work in healthcare, etc
You required to have a license to drive a car ,operate a business , go hunting or fishing, etc.
I don't agree with those liberals against proper ID laws for voting. I may be wrong, but at least I'm consistant ;)
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Don't take it personally, man. I'm not criticizing your own reasoning. It's pretty clear that you're just repeating what you've heard with regard to unvaxed people producing mutations.
And while you might not agree with mandatory vaxing, surely you can see that's where that line of reasoning goes.
If you don't support it, it would be illuminating to hear why, since you seem to accept that unvaccinated people present a danger to everyone.
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Sorry 'bout that, but I didn't realize you wanted to me to address any legal requirements for getting a vaccine.
To me, this is simple, but to others might sound compromised:
Like most previous vaccines, you're only REQUIRED to get one if you attend public school , join the military, work in healthcare, etc
You required to have a license to drive a car ,operate a business , go hunting or fishing, etc.
I don't agree with those liberals against proper ID laws for voting. I may be wrong, but at least I'm consistant ;)
This site is far better when you are not posting.
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There's a reason to avoid the vaccines:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
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This site is far better when you are not posting.
To be fair, he doesn't seem to support the police holding you down and injecting you even though he believes unvaccinated people are a source of potentially dangerous mutations.
It's my own position, as well. I've offered my own reasoning and I'm hoping to hear his.
We're going to need these rebuttals before long.
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To be fair, he doesn't seem to support the police holding you down and injecting you even though he believes unvaccinated people are a source of potentially dangerous mutations.
It's my own position, as well. I've offered my own reasoning and I'm hoping to hear his.
We're going to need these rebuttals before long.
He is just annoying and rambling and a clown.
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I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.
In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .
I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the best shot to get thru a problem.
I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.
At the end of the day, my NINTH wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.
We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.
Fixed. ;D
Matt, I'll be 63 this year and have been married 3x. The 9 wives stuff is a self deprecating joke.
Glad to hear you're doing well and still training hard up there in the Northern Tundra.
Just don't do bent over rows when a large male moose is outside your gym ;D
Is it possible you've been married so many times that even YOU have forgotten the correct number? ;D
But on a serious note, I thought you had more than three wives because that's what I read here on the boards.
For perspective, you are the primary source of the correct information, which is actually only three wives.
So I hope you can see why I only go to primary source data. All the other data is useless. I will never go to it.
Same with for Covid-19 information - I only go to primary sources, which all verifies that COVID is a joke.
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Don't take it personally, man. I'm not criticizing your own reasoning. It's pretty clear that you're just repeating what you've heard with regard to unvaxed people producing mutations.
And while you might not agree with mandatory vaxing, surely you can see that's where that line of reasoning goes.
If you don't support it, it would be illuminating to hear why, since you seem to accept that unvaccinated people present a danger to everyone.
Ok, fair point and here's my analogy:
If you burn trash in your backyard, the smoke doesn't stay on your property.
Personal freedoms don't include forcing your neighbor to endure polluted, stinky air.
Despite what you may believe, the vast majority of public health officials feel Covid is a public health crisis.
The majority of the public agrees and feels the same. Get a vaccine , be safe for others or avoid certain public places.
If you want to play in the game , you need to follow the rules .
Obviously , those on your side, believe that covid is no big deal.
Some people think you should be able to drive without a license or vote without proper ID. I don't.
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Fixed. ;D
Is it possible you've been married so many times that even YOU have forgotten the correct number? ;D
But on a serious note, I thought you had more than three wives because that's what I read here on the boards.
For perspective, you are the primary source of the correct information, which is actually only three wives.
So I hope you can see why I only go to primary source data. All the other data is useless. I will never go to it.
Same with for Covid-19 information - I only go to primary sources, which all verifies that COVID is a joke.
Maybe the other 6 are buried beside the getbiggers who annoyed me ? LOL ;D
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He is just annoying and rambling and a clown.
...like I haven't heard that from former physics students ;)
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...like I haven't heard that from former physics students ;)
Those students deserve a refund.
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Ok, fair point and here's my analogy:
If you burn trash in your backyard, the smoke doesn't stay on your property.
Personal freedoms don't include forcing your neighbor to endure polluted, stinky air.
Despite what you may believe, the vast majority of public health officials feel Covid is a public health crisis.
The majority of the public agrees and feels the same. Get a vaccine , be safe for others or avoid certain public places.
If you want to play in the game , you need to follow the rules .
Obviously , those on your side, believe that covid is no big deal.
Some people think you should be able to drive without a license or vote without proper ID. I don't.
I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.
No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?
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I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.
No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?
Don't feed the troll. ;)
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I'm confused. I had the impression you didn't support government mandated vaccination but now you sound as if you do.
No sugar coating, now. If someone refused to take the vaccine voluntarily, should they be held down by government officials and injected against their will?
LOL, no, you don't hunt unvaccinated people down and force 'em.
If you want to travel internationally , attend certain public events , work in health care , vote or drive a car you need the proper ID or vaccine.
For example, if you refuse to go thru security , you can't board the plane.
The vast majority don't agree with your side when it comes to covid safety. Sorry , but that's the world we all live in.
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LOL, no, you don't hunt unvaccinated people down and force 'em.
If you want to travel internationally , attend certain public events , work in health care , vote or drive a car you need the proper ID or vaccine.
For example, if you refuse to go thru security , you can't board the plane.
The vast majority don't agree with your side when it comes to covid safety. Sorry , but that's the world we all live in.
Correct. It's about 25% last I heard.
So you wouldn't let me have a driver's license or vote. That seems odd. What's the reasoning there?
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Correct. It's about 25% last I heard.
So you wouldn't let me have a driver's license or vote. That seems odd. What's the reasoning there?
C'mon now, you're just being obnoxious .
We already have lots of established regulations with requirements to do them.
Over 200 million Americans have gotten the vaccine and it's safe and effective.
I've known some "totally libertarian" types who live unique, independent lifestyles.
They refuse to have a drivers license, pay taxes, get vaccines, a credit card or bank account, etc
In talks, they feel I'm trapped like a "good sheep" in a societal prison.
Ok? But, they can't legally drive, vote, own a house , car or work in most jobs, etc
In all modesty, I feel my life is a lot better overall.
Living independent from GOV rules may feel like freedom , but , it doesn't look like a nice lifestyle to me.
Question - I know you don't like getting a vaccine, but , besides being stubborn, why not get one ?
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C'mon now, you're just being obnoxious .
We already have lots of established regulations with requirements to do them.
Over 200 million Americans have gotten the vaccine and it's safe and effective.
I've known some "totally libertarian" types who live unique, independent lifestyles.
They refuse to have a drivers license, pay taxes, get vaccines, a credit card or bank account, etc
In talks, they feel I'm trapped like a "good sheep" in a societal prison.
Ok? But, they can't legally drive, vote, own a house , car or work in most jobs, etc
In all modesty, I feel my life is a lot better overall.
Living independent from GOV rules may feel like freedom , but , it doesn't look like a nice lifestyle to me.
Question - I know you don't like getting a vaccine, but , besides being stubborn, why not get one ?
I'm a little disappointed that you won't just ok the use of force to inject people. Not to be obnoxious but I think you're just being squeamish.
It's consistent with your position of making life impossible for people who won't take the shot. Besides, force gets used all the time to stop someone from hurting someone else. You could even agrue that failing to use force to protect people would be immoral. It's like you're not even trying.
We did reasons for not taking the shot right now a day or two ago, remember? Of more interest, imo, is the right to make up your own mind.
If I take it someday, which I probably will, I wouldn't conclude that everyone else has to also. I wouldn't demote them to second class citizens. My choice is mine and theirs is theirs.
Hey, if a Martian landed and heard us talking, which one of us do you think he'd judge to be the more tolerant and liberal minded Earthling? Which one more dictatorish?
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COVID is 99.73% survivable for people under 70. Most of us on here get our information from scientific studies, not news or political websites.
This is the part I find most frustrating when people attempt to force or encourage getting the vaccine.
I'm in excellent shape with abs. Why should I take a risk on a relatively new vaccine when worst case, I'll get cold/flu like symptoms?
I totally understand why some people in the high risk group are getting it. It makes sense for them.
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I'm a little disappointed that you won't just ok the use of force to inject people. Not to be obnoxious but I think you're just being squeamish.
It's consistent with your position of making life impossible for people who won't take the shot. Besides, force gets used all the time to stop someone from hurting someone else. You could even agrue that failing to use force to protect people would be immoral. It's like you're not even trying.
We did reasons for not taking the shot right now a day or two ago, remember? Of more interest, imo, is the right to make up your own mind.
If I take it someday, which I probably will, I wouldn't conclude that everyone else has to also. I wouldn't demote them to second class citizens. My choice is mine and theirs is theirs.
Hey, if a Martian landed and heard us talking, which one of us do you think he'd judge to be the more tolerant and liberal minded Earthling? Which one more dictatorish?
Again, the vast majorty of public health experts think Covid is a bigger health problem then you do.
You have a right NOT to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to pose a health risk for others in public.
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This is the part I find most frustrating when people attempt to force or encourage getting the vaccine.
I'm in excellent shape with abs. Why should I take a risk on a relatively new vaccine when worst case, I'll get cold/flu like symptoms?
I totally understand why some people in the high risk group are getting it. It makes sense for them.
The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.
YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.
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Again, the vast majorty of public health experts think Covid is a bigger health problem then you do.
You have a right NOT to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to pose a health risk for others in public.
I might as well be attacking vaccinated people with an axe in the middle of Main Street. And yet you won't permit the police to just grab me and inject me to protect them. What's the hold up here? Give the order.
Come on, Howard. No one respects a squeamish dictator.
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The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.
YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.
Unless they are over 70 and have a number of co-morbidities there is zero to fear monger over, especially w a vaccine available. Stop being a peddler of panic porn fool.
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The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.
YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.
Exactly why anyone who is at risk or doesn't want Covid should get vaccinated.
Can you explain how the above logic is selfish?
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The covid virus is transmitted by air via droplets in the air exhaled. That makes it highly contagious to anyone in your space.
The majority of public health experts have concluded that younger people with few (or no) symptoms can transmit the virus.
YOU might always be fine and stay healthy, BUT there is a chance you could become positive and not even realize you're contagious.
In public, it's NOT just about YOU , it's also about those around you.
Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?
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I might as well be attacking vaccinated people with an axe in the middle of Main Street. And yet you won't permit the police to just grab me and inject me to protect them. What's the hold up here? Give the order.
Come on, Howard. No one respects a squeamish dictator.
Give me a break and stop being so extreme.
Nobody is going to force you to get a vaccine.
You can't travel on a plane without going thru security . You have to wear a "hard hat" to go on a construction site.
LOL, nobody is going to hold you down and force helmet on your head.
BUT, if you want to play in a football game, you've got to wear one.
If you want to play in the game, you have to follow the rules or the refs call a foul on ya. Simple.
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Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?
I'm not the vaccine police, so ask the UK public health officials .
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Unless they are over 70 and have a number of co-morbidities there is zero to fear monger over, especially w a vaccine available. Stop being a peddler of panic porn fool.
I disagree and prefer the advice of public health experts like Dr Fauci, the CDC and legit, established sources.
Obviously, you disagree, feel you're smarter and know better.
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Exactly why anyone who is at risk or doesn't want Covid should get vaccinated.
Can you explain how the above logic is selfish?
Obviously you as an individual will likely be just fine .
However, if we want to eradicate the virus from the global scene we need everyone to take the vaccine.
This is how we wiped out horrible, pandemic disease like polio and small pox.
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Can you explain why after millions of school children went back to school there were no rises in infections in the UK?
He can’t. He’s just a main stream narrative jukebox. He would’ve been good working for the Pravda.
In New York City they were very slow to close the schools and there was never an outbreak among kids.
This is actual data not bullshit fear mongering, see?
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Obviously you as an individual will likely be just fine .
However, if we want to eradicate the virus from the global scene we need everyone to take the vaccine.
This is how we wiped out horrible, pandemic disease like polio and small pox.
The thing you're missing is those viruses were far more lethal.
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If you don’t have a financial and economic background, you never will really know what’s going on here. I hear some of your so-called journalists just can’t seem to understand why none of this makes sense. Even the guy who smartened me up to the AIDS scam back in the 80s doesn’t really get it because he’s more of a nutrition guy
If you look at it from the angle of a currency devaluation scheme using a health scare as a pretext, and restrictions as a way of preventing inflation, it all makes perfect sense.
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Give me a break and stop being so extreme.
Nobody is going to force you to get a vaccine.
You can't travel on a plane without going thru security . You have to wear a "hard hat" to go on a construction site.
LOL, nobody is going to hold you down and force helmet on your head.
BUT, if you want to play in a football game, you've got to wear one.
If you want to play in the game, you have to follow the rules or the refs call a foul on ya. Simple.
Rules are things upon which all participants agree. Otherwise we're playing two different games, right? Hey what if someone invented a game where the rules kept changing and the players just had to go along. Would that be a popular sport?
Continuing to parrot "Thems the rules" doesn't make everything ok. You seem to think that classifying every coercive tactic short of violence as "The New Rules" makes them automatically correct and beyond question.
I can't speak for others but I'm not a knee-jerk compliance kind of guy. When someone tells me he's got a new rule for me, I like to examine that before I give my consent.
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If you don’t have a financial and economic background, you never will really know what’s going on here. I hear some of your so-called journalists just can’t seem to understand why none of this makes sense. Even the guy who smartened me up to the AIDS scam back in the 80s doesn’t really get it because he’s more of a nutrition guy
If you look at it from the angle of a currency devaluation scheme using a health scare as a pretext, and restrictions as a way of preventing inflation, it all makes perfect sense.
I'm not going to resort to any silly insults as it's pointless and not my style.
However, this idea that Covid was about manipulation of the economy , seems to be a stretch.
You're a smart guy, but some of your ideas seem more "tin foil hat" conspiracy than credible explanations.
It's my experience, that most of life's events are related to mundane things.
As Sigmond Freud once said ; " Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar."
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Rules are things upon which all participants agree. Otherwise we're playing two different games, right? Hey what if someone invented a game where the rules kept changing and the players just had to go along. Would that be a popular sport?
Continuing to parrot "Thems the rules" doesn't make everything ok. You seem to think that classifying every coercive tactic short of violence as "The New Rules" makes them automatically correct and beyond question.
I can't speak for others but I'm not a knee-jerk compliance kind of guy. When someone tells me he's got a new rule for me, I like to examine that before I give my consent.
Good post and thoughtful reply ;)
I have a strong, inner streak of independent thinking and enjoy hearing from those who think "outside the box."
BUT, one needs to be practical and pick your battles.
For example, I don't like every law or regulation out there. But , unless it's a real problem for me, it's easier to just go along.
Think about it...is this covid vaccine issue , the proverbial hill you want to die on?
It's my impression a lot of this covid related and vaccine stuff is more about proudly wearing your team colors.
For example, lost a funny bet on the 2016 election with female PT who works at my gym.
I had to workout wearing a Trump t-shirt, she provided . I also wore a MAGA hat and we had some good fun teasing me.
I don't know you and if you really think the covid vaccine is a serious health risk , that's one thing.
BUT, if you just being stubborn and think doing so, is giving in to the other side, it's silly.
Thanks again for the thoughtful interaction. good luck with whatever you decide and stay healthy.
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Coercing people into any medical intervention, wahtsoever, without proper informed consent is a crime against humanity, and people were hanged for this crime in the Nuremburg Trials following the defeat of Nazi Germany. Coercion includes not just legal force, but any social or economic manipulation applied to the individual as well. It is worth considering that vaccines are the only products manufactured in the U.S. where the manufacturers have complete immunity from liability. Not even other medical compounds (for example, Vioxx) have this immunity from liability. This means that if I take a vaccine now, and end up with any kind of autoimmune disorder a few years down the road, I have no legal recourse nor any possibility of compensation whatsoever. This reason alone is good enough reason to avoid any vaccinations, whatsoever.
No liability, no mandates.
I am 58 years old, and have a physique better than probably 97% of all of the young guys out there. I do not take any prescription meds whatsoever, and do not feel any "aches or pains" or any of the other crap that most people of my generation complain of. Perhaps I am lucky and won the genetic lottery. Or maybe, just maybe, I know what the f**k i'm doing with my own bio-engineering of my health and vitality. If what I am doing is working out for me, I see no reason to change it.
The notion that a healthy person can benefit others by accepting medical risk has no basis in either science or morality.
Lots of folks are in great physical condition when they are in their 50's and beyond. Some people do win the "genetic lottery" as you put it. Some aren't so lucky. This has nothing to do with them taking prescription drugs. In some of these cases, prescription drugs are what helps them be as healthy as possible....perhaps even keeps them alive.
Vaccines prevent illness and that is a scientifically proven fact. The U.S. has been polio-free in the U.S. since 1979 thanks to a successful vaccination program. Polio vaccines along with some vaccines are required
in every state in the U.S. for a child to attend daycare, pre-school and k-12 school.
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Others have been arguing with you about the severity of covid but, if you have a look, I've been accepting the claims of your position, namely that the unvaxed harm the vaxed, and that covid is every bit as bad as you believe.
Then I've tried to make the case that none of that shifts ownership of an individual away from himself. No one else owns him more than he owns himself. Not people he infects. Not a government. Not if things were 1000x worse than they are.
Individual rights are foundational to Western civilization. In the rest of the world, and throughout history, people don't have them. Instead, they have The Rules. Even when you show me that the group us better served by eliminating a particular right, I won't accept it because a group of non-rights endowed individuals are ultimately far worse off. And ownership of one's own body is pretty much the ultimate civil right. Canceling it is the ultimate betrayal of the Western ethos.
So ya. That's important to me.
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Others have been arguing with you about the severity of covid but, if you have a look, I've been accepting the claims of your position, namely that the unvaxed harm the vaxed, and that covid is every bit as bad as you believe.
Then I've tried to make the case that none of that shifts ownership of an individual away from himself. No one else owns him more than he owns himself. Not people he infects. Not a government. Not if things were 1000x worse than they are.
Individual rights are foundational to Western civilization. In the rest of the world, and throughout history, people don't have them. Instead, they have The Rules. Even when you show me that the group us better served by eliminating a particular right, I won't accept it because a group of non-rights endowed individuals are ultimately far worse off. And ownership of one's own body is pretty much the ultimate civil right. Canceling it is the ultimate betrayal of the Western ethos.
So ya. That's important to me.
Good post.
One of the major public health goals ,is the need to fully eradicate the covid virus from the global population.
The only practical way to do this that I know of , is to have every person , get the vaccine.
I'll use a goofy example to illustrate my point:
You may feel justified about farting in a crowded elevator .
It's YOUR asshole after all, and it's your right to decide what gas blows out .
However, once your butt musk gets blasted out into the air, EVERYONE is forced to smell the horrid stench. :o
Your freedom to fart shouldn't force them to smell the stink.
Just sayin' :-X
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Again, the vast majorty of public health experts think Covid is a bigger health problem then you do.
You have a right NOT to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to pose a health risk for others in public.
Then why are cigarettes legal? Second hand smoke is deadly.
How many people die needlessly of cancer?
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Then why are cigarettes legal? Second hand smoke is deadly.
How many people die needlessly of cancer?
The policy rational would be you can see the smoke and it's restricted in no smoking areas. ::) Which sounds like "BS".
Smoking ciggs , drinking booze and obese slobs cause major public health problems.
In fact, most health Ins providers require an extra tobacco use fee $$.
Any health issue caused by smoking, drinking or drugs shouldn't be covered by private health Insurance
I've often said, if someone refuses to get a Covid vaccine , fine.
But, I don't think private Insurance should be cover Covid treatments if they catch the virus.
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The policy rational would be you can see the smoke and it's restricted in no smoking areas. ::) Which sounds like "BS".
Smoking ciggs , drinking booze and obese slobs cause major public health problems.
In fact, most health Ins providers require an extra tobacco use fee $$.
Any health issue caused by smoking, drinking or drugs shouldn't be covered by private health Insurance
I've often said, if someone refuses to get a Covid vaccine , fine.
But, I don't think private Insurance should be cover Covid treatments if they catch the virus.
If Fauci and the rest of the government are so concerned about our health, then why not make cigarettes illegal? There is no safe way to smoke.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020
Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC
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Then why are cigarettes legal? Second hand smoke is deadly.
How many people die needlessly of cancer?
Exposure to second hand smoke in many place has been greatly reduced because indoor smoking is banned except in one's own home.
As of September 30, 2020, 27 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin), American Samoa, the District of Columbia, the Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands have 100% smokefree indoor air laws for bars, restaurants, and worksites (private and government).
Many of the remaining states are limiting where people can smoke.
In Oregon, smoking is not allowed within 10 feet of any entrance, exit, window and/or air intake vent of any indoor workplace or public place.
Most of Europe has banned or severely cutback on indoor smoking with the exception of your home. That being said, it may not be as rigorously enforced as it is in the U.S.
The first time I visited Germany as an adult was in 1988 when my son got married. Believe it or not in the little Bavarian village where he still lives there were cigarette vending machines on street corners though out town. They've been gone for sometime now. Germany still have very liberal smoking laws.
Outdoor locations with the greatest number of smokers resulted in average exposure levels that are considered unhealthy for sensitive groups and peak exposure levels that are considered very hazardous for everyone. Secondhand smoke odor is detectable at 23 feet from the source and irritation levels began 13 feet from the source. Furthermore, anyone positioned downwind from an outdoor source of secondhand smoke will be exposed, even at significant distances from the source.
I don't smoke. Many bars in Oregon have outdoor smoking areas. I find that it is pretty easy to avoid breathing in the fumes/toxins from smokers by avoiding the areas where they are allowed to smoke.
When I was in my teens and beyond, people smoked anywhere they wanted. On the street, in restaurants, grocery stores, work places...everywhere. We've come a long way since then. Just today, I read that Biden is trying to get the sale of menthol and other flavored cigarettes and cigars outlawed. Like I said, I don't smoke but IMO this is taking the whole no smoking thing a step too far.
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Exposure to second hand smoke in many place has been greatly reduced because indoor smoking is banned except in one's own home.
As of September 30, 2020, 27 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin), American Samoa, the District of Columbia, the Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands have 100% smokefree indoor air laws for bars, restaurants, and worksites (private and government).
Many of the remaining states are limiting where people can smoke.
In Oregon, smoking is not allowed within 10 feet of any entrance, exit, window and/or air intake vent of any indoor workplace or public place.
Most of Europe has banned or severely cutback on indoor smoking with the exception of your home. That being said, it may not be as rigorously enforced as it is in the U.S.
The first time I visited Germany as an adult was in 1988 when my son got married. Believe it or not in the little Bavarian village where he still lives there were cigarette vending machines on street corners though out town. They've been gone for sometime now. Germany still have very liberal smoking laws.
Outdoor locations with the greatest number of smokers resulted in average exposure levels that are considered unhealthy for sensitive groups and peak exposure levels that are considered very hazardous for everyone. Secondhand smoke odor is detectable at 23 feet from the source and irritation levels began 13 feet from the source. Furthermore, anyone positioned downwind from an outdoor source of secondhand smoke will be exposed, even at significant distances from the source.
I don't smoke. Many bars in Oregon have outdoor smoking areas. I find that it is pretty easy to avoid breathing in the fumes/toxins from smokers by avoiding the areas where they are allowed to smoke.
When I was in my teens and beyond, people smoked anywhere they wanted. On the street, in restaurants, grocery stores, work places...everywhere. We've come a long way since then. Just today, I read that Biden is trying to get the sale of menthol and other flavored cigarettes and cigars outlawed. Like I said, I don't smoke but IMO this is taking the whole no smoking thing a step too far.
Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? I know they bring in a lot of tax money, but shouldn't Americans health come first.
After all, they shut down an entire country for a year to try and prevent covid deaths. Meanwhile cigarettes kill as many people EVERY YEAR in the US as Covid did over the past year. Hmmmmm
Seems the US really cares about our health and all. Every single death from cigarettes is preventable. Let that sink in for a bit.
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If Fauci and the rest of the government are so concerned about our health, then why not make cigarettes illegal? There is no safe way to smoke.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020
Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC
Agree with that 100%.
Plenty of books, interviews and even movies have been made on the evil tobacco industry.
As Prime already posted, the cigg. industry has taken a huge hit in USA revenue $$, since I've been a kid.
Tobacco is BIG money and the industry uses those deep products to lobby congress.
This may not be the answer you want , but here goes:
The United States was able outlaw booze aka "prohibition" ,when it passed the 18th amd. in Jan of 1919.
This was repealed by the passing of the 21st amd. in Dec 1933.
Prohibition spawned a new big money industry of illegal booze.
In fact, famous gangsters like Al Capone , was so wealthy from illegal booze sales, he ran Chicago in the 1920's.
Bathtub gin and moonshine with insecticide caused serious health problems , even blindness.
Gangsters were shooting up the streets and the public refused to stop drinking , PERIOD.
In the end , the law couldn't stop most people from drinking , so they decided to make booze legal (again) with some regulations.
Despite some Covid vaccine refusals, the vast majority of people WANT a vaccine to be safe.
If the same majority refused the vaccine, their is NOTHING practical the Gov could do to make people.
Make no mistake, thanks in part ot social media and countless news sources, you can insulate yourself from opposing views.
If all you hear and see agrees with YOUR view, it's natural for you think it's the majority opinion.
That's why we all need to get our heads out our collective asses and look around to know what's really going on.
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I suspect the endless mask mandates in Oregon are in place solely to keep Prime’s mouth covered.
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I suspect the endless mask mandates in Oregon are in place solely to keep Prime’s mouth covered.
You'd think the LGBTQ lobby would be against masks and they inhibit pole smoking.
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Exposure to second hand smoke in many place has been greatly reduced because indoor smoking is banned except in one's own home.
As of September 30, 2020, 27 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin), American Samoa, the District of Columbia, the Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands have 100% smokefree indoor air laws for bars, restaurants, and worksites (private and government).
Many of the remaining states are limiting where people can smoke.
In Oregon, smoking is not allowed within 10 feet of any entrance, exit, window and/or air intake vent of any indoor workplace or public place.
Most of Europe has banned or severely cutback on indoor smoking with the exception of your home. That being said, it may not be as rigorously enforced as it is in the U.S.
The first time I visited Germany as an adult was in 1988 when my son got married. Believe it or not in the little Bavarian village where he still lives there were cigarette vending machines on street corners though out town. They've been gone for sometime now. Germany still have very liberal smoking laws.
Outdoor locations with the greatest number of smokers resulted in average exposure levels that are considered unhealthy for sensitive groups and peak exposure levels that are considered very hazardous for everyone. Secondhand smoke odor is detectable at 23 feet from the source and irritation levels began 13 feet from the source. Furthermore, anyone positioned downwind from an outdoor source of secondhand smoke will be exposed, even at significant distances from the source.
I don't smoke. Many bars in Oregon have outdoor smoking areas. I find that it is pretty easy to avoid breathing in the fumes/toxins from smokers by avoiding the areas where they are allowed to smoke.
When I was in my teens and beyond, people smoked anywhere they wanted. On the street, in restaurants, grocery stores, work places...everywhere. We've come a long way since then. Just today, I read that Biden is trying to get the sale of menthol and other flavored cigarettes and cigars outlawed. Like I said, I don't smoke but IMO this is taking the whole no smoking thing a step too far.
Greatly reduced?
We should eliminate this health hazard that has zero upside.
This conversation is about taking away the rights of the selfish some when it’s the greater good of all society that matters.
Who does smoking benefit in any way?
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Obviously you as an individual will likely be just fine .
However, if we want to eradicate the virus from the global scene we need everyone to take the vaccine.
This is how we wiped out horrible, pandemic disease like polio and small pox.
Howard why haven’t vaccines wiped out the flu?
How are polio and small pox different from the flu or covid?
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Howard why haven’t vaccines wiped out the flu?
How are polio and small pox different from the flu or covid?
Ok, I can tell you that the common cold we catch can be one of 160 different variants of a rhinovirus.
It's annoying, but not fatal and rarely requires a hospital stay .
Things like Covid are a form of coronavirus with a very active protein spike that can target lung tissue.
This makes them much more dangerous then a regular flu virus.
Obviously some avg slob like me doesn't have all the answers on this stuff.
Stick with credible , reliable medical science based sites for info .
The amount of misleading info is off the chart. For many , Covid is more about political agendas then bio-medical science.
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Ok, I can tell you that the common cold we catch can be one of 160 different variants of a rhinovirus.
It's annoying, but not fatal and rarely requires a hospital stay .
Things like Covid are a form of coronavirus with a very active protein spike that can target lung tissue.
This makes them much more dangerous then a regular flu virus.
Obviously some avg slob like me doesn't have all the answers on this stuff.
Stick with credible , reliable medical science based sites for info .
The amount of misleading info is off the chart. For many , Covid is more about political agendas then bio-medical science.
No I understand but I’m only pointing out the “obvious” and I think because of the type of virus it is we will never eliminate Covid19.
So the flu and a cold are the same?
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I've got an idea that ought to make everyone happy. There are a lot of people in the U.S. who don't want the vaccines. At the same time, there are plenty of people around the world, especially developing countries, who do want the vaccines. Why not send them all of our unused supply? That way everyone gets what they want.
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Agree with that 100%.
Plenty of books, interviews and even movies have been made on the evil tobacco industry.
As Prime already posted, the cigg. industry has taken a huge hit in USA revenue $$, since I've been a kid.
Tobacco is BIG money and the industry uses those deep products to lobby congress.
This may not be the answer you want , but here goes:
The United States was able outlaw booze aka "prohibition" ,when it passed the 18th amd. in Jan of 1919.
This was repealed by the passing of the 21st amd. in Dec 1933.
Prohibition spawned a new big money industry of illegal booze.
In fact, famous gangsters like Al Capone , was so wealthy from illegal booze sales, he ran Chicago in the 1920's.
Bathtub gin and moonshine with insecticide caused serious health problems , even blindness.
Gangsters were shooting up the streets and the public refused to stop drinking , PERIOD.
In the end , the law couldn't stop most people from drinking , so they decided to make booze legal (again) with some regulations.
Despite some Covid vaccine refusals, the vast majority of people WANT a vaccine to be safe.
If the same majority refused the vaccine, their is NOTHING practical the Gov could do to make people.
Make no mistake, thanks in part ot social media and countless news sources, you can insulate yourself from opposing views.
If all you hear and see agrees with YOUR view, it's natural for you think it's the majority opinion.
That's why we all need to get our heads out our collective asses and look around to know what's really going on.
I can appreciate your well thought out reply....but the government hasn't done anything to stop tobacco farming. They're merely taxing it to make money.
Covid is do horrible according to the government and libtards, but just as many people die from tobacco each year and they do nothing about it. I don't think you can compare it to prohibition...as booze is far easier to make.
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Ok, I can tell you that the common cold we catch can be one of 160 different variants of a rhinovirus.
It's annoying, but not fatal and rarely requires a hospital stay .
Things like Covid are a form of coronavirus with a very active protein spike that can target lung tissue.
This makes them much more dangerous then a regular flu virus.
Obviously some avg slob like me doesn't have all the answers on this stuff.
Stick with credible , reliable medical science based sites for info .
The amount of misleading info is off the chart. For many , Covid is more about political agendas then bio-medical science.
Covid is not lethal for most and anyone that is worried can get vaccinated. How is that selfish?
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Between Ted Cruz and Ted Nugent, who is the bigger pussy?
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I've got an idea that ought to make everyone happy. There are a lot of people in the U.S. who don't want the vaccines. At the same time, there are plenty of people around the world, especially developing countries, who do want the vaccines. Why not send them all of our unused supply? That way everyone gets what they want.
It could be true that you're harming others by not taking it. The essential question remains how to balance the individual's rights against the welfare of the group.
I'm reminded that humanity's finest hours have always involved the difficult sacrifice of a vexatious and dangerous minority who had to be burnt at the stake or placed into internment camps or box cars for the betterment of society overall.
History has always vindicated these necessary actions, so the employment of punitive measures to encourage the adoption of a product which isn't quite selling itself, but is nevertheless necessary, will be similarly justified by the eventual positive outcome it produces.
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Covid is not lethal for most and anyone that is worried can get vaccinated. How is that selfish?
It’s a guilt trip being used to justify a massive windfall for big Pharma. “You’re not doing for yourself but to protect others.” Howard’s not alone. There’s many thousands just like him on Twitter. They’re all unemployable too.
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LOL
The jokes on them. And they literally have no clue.
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Stay safe fellas
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LOL
The jokes on them. And they literally have no clue.
I always look to bald fat economists for my health and fitness cues👍
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Pretty much any hard drug has at least a 99% survival rate. And I would genuinely much rather take MDMA or something than that fucking "vaccine" for a virus that still to this day has never even been fully isolated and sequenced.
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Stay safe fellas
:D A fish could give her Covid.
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No I understand but I’m only pointing out the “obvious” and I think because of the type of virus it is we will never eliminate Covid19.
So the flu and a cold are the same?
1. " the flu" is a form of influenza virus
2. the cold is one of over 160 different rhinovirus
3. Covid-19 the pandemic form of sars-coronavirus discovered in 2019. ( It's NOT the 19th one!)
The vaccines to eradicate this strain ( and those like it ) are already in use.
We just need everyone to take it.
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1. " the flu" is a form of influenza virus
2. the cold is one of over 160 different rhinovirus
3. Covid-19 the pandemic form of sars-coronavirus discovered in 2019. ( It's NOT the 19th one!)
The vaccines to eradicate this strain ( and those like it ) are already in use.
We just need everyone to take it.
Well, that's not going to happen.
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It was discovered in 2019 because they only started testing for it in 2020. How the fuck does that prove it’s “Novel”?
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It was discovered in 2019 because they only started testing for it in 2020. How the fuck does that prove it’s “Novel”?
novel = new
how the fuck do you not know that ...you literally just defined it as being "new" in your post
btw - It was discovered in 2019 "because" they only started testing for it in 2020 doesn't even make any sense
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novel = new
how the fuck do you not know that ...you literally just defined it as being "new" in your post
btw - It was discovered in 2019 "because" they only started testing for it in 2020 doesn't even make any sense
Are you wearing your face diaper?
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Are you wearing your face diaper?
nope
are you wearing your Depends today
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nope
are you wearing your Depends today
Touche!
No! I got the vaccine - im done w masks, etc.
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Touche!
No! I got the vaccine - im done w masks, etc.
Probably done with your blood clotting normally as well.
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Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? I know they bring in a lot of tax money, but shouldn't Americans health come first.
After all, they shut down an entire country for a year to try and prevent covid deaths. Meanwhile cigarettes kill as many people EVERY YEAR in the US as Covid did over the past year. Hmmmmm
Seems the US really cares about our health and all. Every single death from cigarettes is preventable. Let that sink in for a bit.
We shut down the country in an effort to control COVID. Whether it made a difference or not is hard to tell at this point.
How did this work out?
Nationwide Prohibition lasted from 1920 until 1933. The Eighteenth Amendment—which illegalized the manufacture, transportation, and sale of alcohol—was passed by the U.S. Congress in 1917. In 1919 the amendment was ratified by the three-quarters of the nation's states required to make it constitutional.
Here's how....Not well.
Prohibition, failing fully to enforce sobriety and costing billions, rapidly lost popular support in the early 1930s. In 1933, the 21st Amendment to the Constitution was passed and ratified, ending national Prohibition. After the repeal of the 18th Amendment, some states continued Prohibition by maintaining statewide temperance laws. Mississippi, the last dry state in the Union, ended Prohibition in 1966.
Read about it. Maybe you will learn something.
How Prohibition Put the ‘Organized’ in Organized Crime
Kingpins like Al Capone were able to rake in up to $100 million each year thanks to the overwhelming business opportunity of illegal booze.
https://www.history.com/news/prohibition-organized-crime-al-capone
Alcohol consumption fell sharply at the beginning of Prohibition, to approximately 30 percent of its pre-Prohibition level. During the next several years, however, alcohol consumption increased sharply, to about 60-70 percent of its pre-prohibition level.
In the decades after Prohibition ended on Dec. 5, 1933, with the repeal of the 18th Amendment, consumption remained relatively subdued. ... Today Americans drink on average about 2.3 gallons of pure alcohol a year, which is about 12 standard drinks a week, about the same amount they drank before Prohibition.
Making something illegal does end it. It just goes underground and becomes criminally more profitable.
Although cigarette smoking is responsible the greatest number of deaths. If smoking was illegal it would not stop people from smoking.
In the U.S. alone, around 40,000 people die each year in automobile accidents. Do you think driving motor vehicles should also be illegal?
An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic in the U.S. Maybe food should be rationed and those foods which most contribute to obesity, such as anything high in carbs should be outlawed completely.
There are many illegal drugs and prescription drugs which are are illegally available without a prescription, for example ABS. In 2019, 70,630 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. Prisons are filled with convicts whose crimes were drug related. Why not add to those numbers by making smoking illegal?
Come to think if it, not taking responsibility for one's own actions should be illegal. Do that and almost everyone would be locked up.
Let this sink in a bit.
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Touche!
No! I got the vaccine - im done w masks, etc.
I get the 2nd dose this Sunday
I never wear a mask except in a store and in the gym (which absolutely sucks)
I laugh at these idiots wearing a mask in their car and I've never worn a mask outside
I'm still doing more training in my garage gym than at the gym (American Barbell)
I just picked up a new bench yesterday. None of my adjustable benches felt ideal for seated presses so I said fuck it and bought a "utility" bench that is perfect (and I do other things like seated curls/hammer curls seated side laterals, seated french press etc.. so it was worth it to me.
I just need to find some space to fit in a high/low pully machine and I'm done
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I get the 2nd dose this Sunday
I never wear a mask except in a store and in the gym (which absolutely sucks)
I laugh at these idiots wearing a mask in their car and I've never worn a mask outside
I'm still doing more training in my garage gym than in my garage.
I just picked up a new bench yesterday. None of my adjustable benches felt ideal for seated presses so I said fuck it and bought a "utility" bench that is perfect (and I do other things like seated curls/hammer curls seated side laterals, seated french press etc.. so it was worth it to me.
I just need to find some space to fit in a high/low pully machine and I'm done
Nice. This is why I have not gone back to the gym. I wont wear a mask in the gym, no and F no. I bought / had a bunch of equipment and been training outside over over a year now Rocky 4 style. It was fng ice cold a few days in January / February early am but got through it outside. Sucked but never missed a day.
I read an article from someone who was like "But you can still get rona after getting the vax!" It was 5400 out 94,000,000 - which comes to .0006%!
If those are the odds, and I don't have to wear a face diaper - ill take my chances thank you very much.
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Nice. This is why I have not gone back to the gym. I wont wear a mask in the gym, no and F no. I bought / had a bunch of equipment and been training outside over over a year now Rocky 4 style. It was fng ice cold a few days in January / February early am but got through it outside. Sucked but never missed a day.
I read an article from someone who was like "But you can still get rona after getting the vax!" It was 5400 out 94,000,000 - which comes to .0006%!
If those are the odds, and I don't have to wear a face diaper - ill take my chances thank you very much.
You should move to NorCal
The weather is beautiful year almost year round and I live at the end of a cul de sac so I have my garage door open and get fresh air while I work out. I actually prefer the solitude. I can focus better
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I get the 2nd dose this Sunday
I never wear a mask except in a store and in the gym (which absolutely sucks)
I laugh at these idiots wearing a mask in their car and I've never worn a mask outside
I'm still doing more training in my garage gym than at the gym (American Barbell)
I just picked up a new bench yesterday. None of my adjustable benches felt ideal for seated presses so I said fuck it and bought a "utility" bench that is perfect (and I do other things like seated curls/hammer curls seated side laterals, seated french press etc.. so it was worth it to me.
I just need to find some space to fit in a high/low pully machine and I'm done
Here we go again! The business community is pissed.
Many counties in Oregon are in the 'Extreme Risk' category. Effective this Friday, April 30, 2021 through Thursday, May 6, 2021. Social gatherings at home, both indoors and outdoors is limited to 6 people. In restaurants and bars indoor dining is prohibited and they close at 11:00 p.m. Indoor entertainment, recreation and fitness establishments, 500 sq. ft. or larger have a maximum of six (6) people total (not including employees). Retail stores are limited to 50% capacity.
Get vaccinated and wear a mask when required so this can end.
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Here we go again! The business community is pissed.
Many counties in Oregon are in the 'Extreme Risk' category. Effective this Friday, April 30, 2021 through Thursday, May 6, 2021. Social gatherings at home, both indoors and outdoors is limited to 6 people. In restaurants and bars indoor dining is prohibited and they close at 11:00 p.m. Indoor entertainment, recreation and fitness establishments, 500 sq. ft. or larger have a maximum of six (6) people total (not including employees). Retail stores are limited to 50% capacity.
Get vaccinated and wear a mask when required so this can end.
weird that it's only one week
Is the positivity rate in Oregon going up
CA had been the lowest in the country for a few weeks (looks like we're 2nd lowest today)
Our positivity rate is now below 1%
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html
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weird that it's only one week
Is the positivity rate in Oregon going up
CA had been the lowest in the country for a few weeks (looks like we're 2nd lowest today)
Our positivity rate is now below 1%
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html
weird how that happened after the whole recall newscum started....
interesting coincidence....
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weird how that happened after the whole recall newscum started....
interesting coincidence....
not weird
The entire state was locked down from late fall until just about a month or so ago and we still have many restrictions and of course most people here follow the guidelines
What's also not weird is seeing the states that removed the restrictions too soon seeing their positivity rates going up
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weird that it's only one week
Is the positivity rate in Oregon going up
CA had been the lowest in the country for a few weeks (looks like we're 2nd lowest today)
Our positivity rate is now below 1%
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html
The positivity rate has shown a dramatic increase in several counties, including the one where I live. Never-the-less, Nationally, Oregon ranks near the bottom of positive cases @ 4,316 per 100,000
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I got the vaccine
another unfortunate submissive bends the knee and seals its fate.
im done w masks, etc.
lmfao... u will do what you're told.
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There's a lot of information online on how to make/obtain one, but I realize it may not work everywhere.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccination-cards-fake-scammers-fraud/
again, u will not b able to do that:
'In some embodiments, the payload may be a detectable agent, such as various organic small molecules, inorganic compounds, nanoparticles, enzymes or enzyme substrates, fluorescent materials, luminescent materials (e.g., luminol), bioluminescent materials (e.g., luciferase, luciferin, and aequorin), chemiluminescent materials, radioactive materials'
'Detectable label: As used herein, “detectable label” refers to one or more markers, signals, or moieties which are attached, incorporated or associated with another entity that is readily detected by methods known in the art including radiography, fluorescence, chemiluminescence, enzymatic activity, absorbance and the like. Detectable labels include radioisotopes, fluorophores, chromophores, enzymes, dyes, metal ions, ligands such as biotin, avidin, streptavidin and haptens, quantum dots, and the like. Detectable labels may be located at any position in the peptides or proteins disclosed herein. They may be within the amino acids, the peptides, or proteins, or located at the N- or C-termini.'
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
'proof of vaccination' will b of an internal nature.
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Between Ted Cruz and Ted Nugent, who is the bigger pussy?
Nuge can permanently make your lights go out with a gun, knife or bow, no sweat. Or melt your face with a burning guitar solo.
Plus he’s married to one of the prettiest MILFS to have ever lived.
Deadly Tedly owns fools like you.
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Ted can permanently make your lights go out with a gun, knife or bow, no sweat. Or melt your face with a burning guitar solo.
Plus he’s married to one of the prettiest MILFS to have ever lived.
Deadly Tedly owns fools like you.
Nugent is a weepy little kunt who was scared to death over the sniffles and just like THE TRAITOR he got special treatment that he average person doesn't have acces to
"Five or six days ago, it was really bad. I didn't think I was gonna make it," the guitarist declared during a live webcast tonight. "I literally couldn't function for about 20 hours... I've never been so scared in all my life."
He described his symptoms as a "six-foot-two, 225-pound headache, like nothing I have ever experienced. I mean, from the tip of my toes to the top of my hair I literally was dizzy and weak and struggled to get up to go to the bathroom."
Nugent then explained that a group of doctors came to his aid, with one even paying for a private plane to take him to a hospital. "They came from around the world, they go, 'Uncle Ted we got the stuff, Uncle Ted don't worry we got you covered, Uncle Ted we're sending a plane and we're taking you to the UT medical center and we got ya, man!' I could literally cry, it was so powerful."
Read More: Ted Nugent on COVID-19 Fight: 'Didn't Think I Was Gonna Make It' | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-covid-fight/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
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Nugent is a weepy little kunt who was scared to death over the sniffles and just like THE TRAITOR he got special treatment that he average person doesn't have acces to
Read More: Ted Nugent on COVID-19 Fight: 'Didn't Think I Was Gonna Make It' | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-covid-fight/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
You’ve proven my point.
He OWNS wimps like you.
Hahahahahaha!
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You’ve proven my point.
He OWNS wimps like you.
Hahahahahaha!
How does pointing out he's a pussy and a hypocrite = "owning me"?
How does that work?
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How does pointing out he's a pussy and a hypocrite "owning me"?
How does that work?
Jeez, Ted’s owned you into oblivion!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHA H!
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Jeez, Ted’s owned you into oblivion!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHA H!
So you've got no answer
Par for the course for a Trumptard
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I get the 2nd dose this Sunday
I never wear a mask except in a store and in the gym (which absolutely sucks)
I laugh at these idiots wearing a mask in their car and I've never worn a mask outside
I'm still doing more training in my garage gym than at the gym (American Barbell)
I just picked up a new bench yesterday. None of my adjustable benches felt ideal for seated presses so I said fuck it and bought a "utility" bench that is perfect (and I do other things like seated curls/hammer curls seated side laterals, seated french press etc.. so it was worth it to me.
I just need to find some space to fit in a high/low pully machine and I'm done
Great looking hardcore , home garage gym. Sturdy looking seated press bench , ideal for seated DB presses and DB curls.
Beats my home basement gym with: Bowflex , cheapo cement filled plate DB's and treadmill in front of the back window.
I'm back to the gym since my wife I got our Pfizer vaccines. Feels great to lift real iron wts again.
Nobody is wearing masks at the nearby 24/7 gym I use. I tend to go at "off peak" hours, since I'm retired.
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Yeah, okay:
Flu Has Disappeared Worldwide during the COVID Pandemic - Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic/
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So you've got no answer
Par for the course for a Trumptard
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Clueless and needing of assistance.
That’s a lib for ya!
OWNED FOR ALL TIME.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Clueless and needing of assistance.
That’s a lib for ya!
OWNED FOR ALL TIME.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
whatever you say Trumptard
I hope if you ever get COVID that you don't turn in a weepy little kunt like your old uncle Ted....but I expect you probably will.
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So you've got no answer
Par for the course for a Trumptard
are you ever going to answer why you use insults like "tard" and "kunt" when your own people would cancel you for using them?
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whatever you say Trumptard
I hope if you ever get COVID that you don't turn in a weepy little kunt like your old uncle Ted....but I expect you probably will.
Of COURSE whatever I say!
I own you, too! Deadly Tedly and me!
Actually, most on this board, for that matter!
OWNED FOR EVERMORE!
8)
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Of COURSE whatever I say!
I own you, too! Deadly Tedly and me!
Actually, most on this board, for that matter!
OWNED FOR EVERMORE!
8)
Dream on Trumptard
Your hero is a weepy little kunt who thought he was going to die from a case of the sniffles
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Dream on Trumptard
Your hero is a weepy little kunt who thought he was going to die from a case of the sniffles
OWNED.
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OWNED.
say it as many times as you want dipshit
It doesn't change the fact that Crazy Uncle Ted revealed himself to be a whiny little kunt as soon as got the sniffles.
He should have just shut up and no one would have known what a pussy he really is
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say it as many times as you want dipshit
It doesn't change the fact that Crazy Uncle Ted revealed himself to be a whiny little kunt as soon as got the sniffles.
He should have just shut up and no one would have known what a pussy he really is
owned.
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owned.
say it as many times as you want dipshit
It doesn't change the fact that Crazy Uncle Ted revealed himself to be a whiny little kunt as soon as got the sniffles.
He should have just shut up and no one would have known what a pussy he really is ;D
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say it as many times as you want dipshit
It doesn't change the fact that Crazy Uncle Ted revealed himself to be a whiny little kunt as soon as got the sniffles.
He should have just shut up and no one would have known what a pussy he really is ;D
o.w.n.e.d.
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say it as many times as you want dipshit
It doesn't change the fact that Crazy Uncle Ted revealed himself to be a whiny little kunt as soon as got the sniffles.
He should have just shut up and no one would have known what a pussy he really is
So Covid is just a case of the sniffles? That doesn't align with your other posts.
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So Covid is just a case of the sniffles? That doesn't align with your other posts.
no shit Sherlock
It's called sarcasm
Many Trumptards on this board have called COVID the "sniffles"
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owned.
still a weepy little pussy crying about getting the sniffles
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still a weepy little pussy crying about getting the sniffles
why do you keep calling out his manhood when you support people that say masculinity is "toxic"?
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why do you keep calling out his manhood when you support people that say masculinity is "toxic"?
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I have no idea who you are referring to and I'm not responsible for what anyone else says other than myself
Nugent was all tough talk and bullshit until he got the virus and then he turned into a weepy litle kunt. He should have just manned up and rode it out instead of whining like a little bitch and then getting swept off in a private jet for special treatment.
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still a weepy little pussy crying about getting the sniffles
Even with sniffles, Ted would end your OWNED life before you even had time to grovel at his feet.
What was an existence of worthlessness would simply float away like so much straw thrown to the wind.
Poor, POOR weak and continually-failing bastard.
Somewhere deep down within your estrogen-soaked carcass, but never to be acknowledged, to yourself or others, is the all-too-uncomfortable realization you’re pathetic, stupid, weak, and ...
OWNED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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Even with sniffles, Ted would end your OWNED life before you even had time to grovel at his feet.
What was an existence of worthlessness would simply float away like so much straw thrown to the wind.
Poor, POOR weak and continually-failing bastard.
Somewhere deep down within your estrogen-soaked carcass, but never to be acknowledged, to yourself or others, is the all-too-uncomfortable realization you’re pathetic, stupid, weak, and ...
OWNED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
damn you seem to have a really serious mancrush on a weepy little kunt
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I have no idea who you are referring to and I'm not responsible for what anyone else says other than myself
Nugent was all tough talk and bullshit until he got the virus and then he turned into a weepy litle kunt. He should have just manned up and rode it out instead of whining like a little bitch and then getting swept off in a private jet for special treatment.
you are unaware how your side wants to cancel anybody that uses common insults we have used for years? why do you think we call them snowflakes?
are you really that clueless?
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you are unaware how your side wants to cancel anybody that uses common insults we have used for years? why do you think we call them snowflakes?
are you really that clueless?
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pay attention
first of all your stated premise is nonsense
Second of all I'm not required to defend anyone's words other than my own
same goes for you and anyone else
you're welcome
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damn you seem to have a really serious mancrush on a weepy little kunt
Says the guy slurping dementia ridden Bitem balls. ::)
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Says the guy slurping dementia ridden Bitem balls. ::)
yet another closet case
Not sure if you queers realize all you're doing with these kinds of comments is revealing what you think about
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yet another closet case
Not sure if you queers realize all you're doing with these kinds of comments is revealing what you think about
My yard is clean.
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COCK ;D
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COCK ;D
You hungry tonight ???
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no shit Sherlock
It's called sarcasm
Many Trumptards on this board have called COVID the "sniffles"
For most non obese young people, yes, it's just the sniffles, but I know you libards want us to believe it's the worse than ebola.
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I just realized that if you are a body builder, you do not need the covid-19 vaccines at all. Thy biggest cause of immune senescence is involution of the Thymus Gland. Well, the Thymus gland can be regenerated in order people AND the active ingredient is none other than HGH!
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02638-w/
The three ingredients are HGH, DHEA, and Metformin. The DHEA and Metformin are used only to counter the pro-diabetic effects of the HGH. As we all know, body building itself increases your bodies natural production of HGH on its own. I have not done an MRI scan of my thymus gland. But I will bet you donuts to dollars that most of you in the "lifting game" already have partially regenerated thymus glands.
A regenerated thymus gland will fight off infectious disease FAR BETTER than any vaccine.
The idea that a healthy person must incur medical risk in order to benefit others has no basis in either science or morality.
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Hm. Sounds like a gland that'd turn up on Dancing With The Stars. "Hai. I'm Thymus. I've alwayth luved to danth."
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Lots of folks are in great physical condition when they are in their 50's and beyond. Some people do win the "genetic lottery" as you put it. Some aren't so lucky. This has nothing to do with them taking prescription drugs. In some of these cases, prescription drugs are what helps them be as healthy as possible....perhaps even keeps them alive.
Vaccines prevent illness and that is a scientifically proven fact. The U.S. has been polio-free in the U.S. since 1979 thanks to a successful vaccination program. Polio vaccines along with some vaccines are required
in every state in the U.S. for a child to attend daycare, pre-school and k-12 school.
Like I said, I know myself better than you do. So when I say that I will or will not go for any particular medical intervention, I know that whatever choice I make is the correct one for myself. It amuses me that people who do not even know me personally would "second guess" any of my life decision, particularly those relating to medicine and money.
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Like I said, I know myself better than you do. So when I say that I will or will not go for any particular medical intervention, I know that whatever choice I make is the correct one for myself. It amuses me that people who do not even know me personally would "second guess" any of my life decision, particularly those relating to medicine and money.
The way the establishment is trying to get around this is with a guilt trip saying that you’re putting the rest of society at risk which of course is bullshit.
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The way the establishment is trying to get around this is with a guilt trip saying that you’re putting the rest of society at risk which of course is bullshit.
There is nothing the establishment can say or do to make me feel guilt about anything.
I consider the establishment itself to be pure shit. Thus anything they say or do, by definition, is bullshit.
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There is nothing the establishment can say or do to make me feel guilt about anything.
I consider the establishment itself to be pure shit. Thus anything they say or do, by definition, is bullshit.
I’m with you, brother.
The establishment/government/the average person is my enemy.
I couldn’t care less what is being said.
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This is getbig. We’ve been hip to this shit since day one. In the real world, I’m still seeing morons wearing masks while jogging several days after the CDC changed its guidance.
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This is getbig. We’ve been hip to this shit since day one. In the real world, I’m still seeing morons wearing masks while jogging several days after the CDC changed its guidance.
My province has once again closed all gyms/fitness centres.
For a couple of weeks I was getting around restrictions by “hiring” a personal trainer for one-on-one sessions (what was allowed), but now even that’s been quashed.
My cocktail of depression, rage and confusion is really quite something.
The government and its allies simply don’t care, so now neither do I.
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My province has once again closed all gyms/fitness centres.
For a couple weeks I was getting around restrictions by “hiring” a personal trainer for one-on-one sessions (what was allowed), but now even that’s been quashed.
My cocktail of depression, rage and confusion is really quite something.
The government and its allies simply don’t care, so now neither do I.
This is a very unspoken side effect of this entire scam. People just not giving a fuck about their country anymore. I used to defend this country against Europeans on this board attacking the US. That’s over.
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This is a very unspoken side effect of this entire scam. People just not giving a fuck about their country anymore. I used to defend this country against Europeans on this board attacking the US. That’s over.
Since 1985 weight training (and music) has been my major outlet to offset and calm what’s been a lifelong struggle with depression, OCD and anxiety.
They’ve destroyed this and just don’t care.
I hate Canada. I hate humanity. I hate the world.
All I now do is hate.
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This is a very unspoken side effect of this entire scam. People just not giving a fuck about their country anymore. I used to defend this country against Europeans on this board attacking the US. That’s over.
The nation and the government are two different things. They can't wag the dog forever.
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This is getbig. We’ve been hip to this shit since day one. In the real world, I’m still seeing morons wearing masks while jogging several days after the CDC changed its guidance.
Do you know if these morons you see wearing masks are vaccinated?
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Do you know if these morons you see wearing masks are vaccinated?
If you actually read the CDC guidance instead of hearing the slanted version from the MSM, you’d know that the guidelines for outdoor activities like jogging alone are the same for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
No wonder it was so easy to get a needle into your arm:
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If you actually read the CDC guidance instead of hearing the slanted version from the MSM, you’d know that the guidelines for outdoor activities like jogging alone are the same for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
No wonder it was so easy to get a needle into your arm:
You mean where it says on the chart you posted....walk, run, roll or bike with members of your household? If you see runners wearing masks are they always alone? What if they encounter another person while running? Social distancing according to the CDC is at least 6 ft. The city sidewalk out front of my house isn't 6 ft. wide. A standard lane on an athletic track is 4 ft.
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Attend small gathering with fully vaccinated family and friends? Which when you think about it, this makes no sense because they are attending the gathering with someone (you) who is not fully vaccinated.
Personal and Social Activities | COVID-19 | CDC (note: not MSM)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html
Very first line:Wear masks at all times, both indoors and outdoors, except when you are actively eating or drinking. Masks help protect both you and those around you. Avoid crowds and sit at tables
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You mean where it says on the chart you posted....walk, run, roll or bike with members of your household? If you see runners wearing masks are they always alone? What if they encounter another person while running? Social distancing according to the CDC is at least 6 ft. The city sidewalk out front of my house isn't 6 ft. wide. A standard lane on an athletic track is 4 ft.
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Attend small gathering with fully vaccinated family and friends? Which when you think about it, this makes no sense because they are attending the gathering with someone (you) who is not fully vaccinated.
Personal and Social Activities | COVID-19 | CDC (note: not MSM)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html
Very first line:Wear masks at all times, both indoors and outdoors, except when you are actively eating or drinking. Masks help protect both you and those around you. Avoid crowds and sit at tables
Are you really going to continue this? If you can run with Members of your family you can obviously do it alone. Just go away.
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You mean where it says on the chart you posted....walk, run, roll or bike with members of your household? If you see runners wearing masks are they always alone? What if they encounter another person while running? Social distancing according to the CDC is at least 6 ft. The city sidewalk out front of my house isn't 6 ft. wide. A standard lane on an athletic track is 4 ft.
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Attend small gathering with fully vaccinated family and friends? Which when you think about it, this makes no sense because they are attending the gathering with someone (you) who is not fully vaccinated.
Personal and Social Activities | COVID-19 | CDC (note: not MSM)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html
Very first line:Wear masks at all times, both indoors and outdoors, except when you are actively eating or drinking. Masks help protect both you and those around you. Avoid crowds and sit at tables
You can’t really be this much of a fucking idiot. Then again... Even Fauci said the risk outdoors is minuscule. Just lock yourself away forever. No one will miss you.
For the normal people here, from a liberal news outlet:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/do-i-need-mask-outdoors-cdc-says-certain-activities-are-n1265452
Outdoor activities are safe without masks — regardless of whether a person is vaccinated — as long as people are either alone or with immediate family members,
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You mean where it says on the chart you posted....walk, run, roll or bike with members of your household? If you see runners wearing masks are they always alone? What if they encounter another person while running? Social distancing according to the CDC is at least 6 ft. The city sidewalk out front of my house isn't 6 ft. wide. A standard lane on an athletic track is 4 ft.
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Attend small gathering with fully vaccinated family and friends? Which when you think about it, this makes no sense because they are attending the gathering with someone (you) who is not fully vaccinated.
Personal and Social Activities | COVID-19 | CDC (note: not MSM)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html
Very first line:Wear masks at all times, both indoors and outdoors, except when you are actively eating or drinking. Masks help protect both you and those around you. Avoid crowds and sit at tables
Do you really think all of these fear mongering guidelines are necessary?
This isn't ebola.
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My province has once again closed all gyms/fitness centres.
For a couple of weeks I was getting around restrictions by “hiring” a personal trainer for one-on-one sessions (what was allowed), but now even that’s been quashed.
My cocktail of depression, rage and confusion is really quite something.
The government and its allies simply don’t care, so now neither do I.
My job was never affected by any of these shutdown (I am a control system automation engineer) . But it pissed me off to no end when they closed the gyms down (twice in my area). The fantasies I had about doing to the politicians who imposed such are not something to be discussed on the internet.
What's assinine about this is that resistive weight training (aka bodybuilding) increases your resistance to disease because, among other things, it helps maintain or regenerate your thymus gland. It also increases your body's production of both IGF-1 and IGF-2. Now there is a big debate in the life extension community as to whether IGF-1 actually shortens life span. But I think this is BS. Anything that increases your body's regenerative capability (which body building certainly does) is going to be good for longevity.
I believe weight training (bodybuilding) is essential to everyone, both men and women. It is especially necessary for women because it prevents the loss of bone density that women are especially prone to with age. The number one cause of age-related disability is sarcopenia, which is muscle-loss. Some of this is due to motor control neuron loss (I will have more to say on this at a later date). But much of it can be prevented through resistive weight training.
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Do you know if these morons you see wearing masks are vaccinated?
dear dumb, cowardly walking bio weapon:
its not a 'vaccine'.
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Thank you ! Been screaming this from day 1. But no the worthless liberal losers screaming stay home save lives bs took over.
My job was never affected by any of these shutdown (I am a control system automation engineer) . But it pissed me off to no end when they closed the gyms down (twice in my area). The fantasies I had about doing to the politicians who imposed such are not something to be discussed on the internet.
What's assinine about this is that resistive weight training (aka bodybuilding) increases your resistance to disease because, among other things, it helps maintain or regenerate your thymus gland. It also increases your body's production of both IGF-1 and IGF-2. Now there is a big debate in the life extension community as to whether IGF-1 actually shortens life span. But I think this is BS. Anything that increases your body's regenerative capability (which body building certainly does) is going to be good for longevity.
I believe weight training (bodybuilding) is essential to everyone, both men and women. It is especially necessary for women because it prevents the loss of bone density that women are especially prone to with age. The number one cause of age-related disability is sarcopenia, which is muscle-loss. Some of this is due to motor control neuron loss (I will have more to say on this at a later date). But much of it can be prevented through resistive weight training.
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The nation and the government are two different things. They can't wag the dog forever.
lmfao..... don't worry – things r just about wrapped up.
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The way the establishment is trying to get around this is with a guilt trip saying that you’re putting the rest of society at risk which of course is bullshit.
Congratulations and a hearty thanks on behalf of Covid-19 for helping to keep the virus alive.
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Congratulations and a hearty thanks on behalf of Covid-19 for helping to keep the virus alive.
u have not only fuked yourself - u r a danger to those around u.
there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.
those dangers r reality.
to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.
enjoy hell.
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Congratulations and a hearty thanks on behalf of Covid-19 for helping to keep the virus alive.
In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2]
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u have not only fuked yourself - u r a danger to those around u.
The people in New York City who talk like him are 20-30 something liberal arts major women.
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The spike protein IS harmful in and of itself.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242248
Do you still think these vaccines are worth the risk?
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The spike protein IS harmful in and of itself.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242248
Do you still think these vaccines are worth the risk?
I’ll stand behind Joe Rogan before any of the pieces of shit that have been attacking him any day of the week.
Joe Rogan’s Idiotic Advice: ‘Healthy’ Young People Don’t Need COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-rogan-tells-healthy-young-people-not-to-get-covid-19-vaccine
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The spike protein IS harmful in and of itself.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242248
Do you still think these vaccines are worth the risk?
Operation warp speed was based on the assumption that the spike protein, independent of the virus itself, was harmless. This was pure assumption. There was no scientific evidence to support this assumption back in April of last year. However, there were people pointing this out and they were ignored in the rush to Do Something, that is, to get a vaccine out. The politicians felt the need to Do Something and there was too much profit in a vaccine on the part of the pharmaceutical giants to pass up.
I give Merck credit for passing this one up. The admitted that their efforts to develop a vaccine had failed and announced they were going to pass up the opportunity.
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The way the establishment is trying to get around this is with a guilt trip saying that you’re putting the rest of society at risk which of course is bullshit.
I heard some shit ass commercial the other day on the radio that damn near made me sick. 100% guilt trip about getting the vaccine or you don't care about your grandma/loved ones.
The latest numbers in case anyone is wondering how many idiots we have in the US.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
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I heard some shit ass commercial the other day on the radio that damn near made me sick. 100% guilt trip about getting the vaccine or you don't care about your grandma/loved ones.
The latest numbers in case anyone is wondering how many idiots we have in the US.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
The one with Robin Roberts? I heard it and thought this is some serious propaganda.
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Operation warp speed was based on the assumption that the spike protein, independent of the virus itself, was harmless.
its not 'independent of the virus itself'.
u r getting the jimmy rigged, modified virus (bio weapon) via injection, which in turn... does its thing
this is the rona (a single strand of 'designer' covid19 RNA):
(https://greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Multiple-sequence-alignment-between-spike-proteins-of-2019-nCoV-and-SARS-1024x811.jpg)
those four short (incomplete) sequences of hiv 1 genetic code (black boxes) (verified) inserted within the total RNA genomic sequence of covid19... are a problem.
hiv is a retrovirus... with the ability to enter into the nucleus and change the host cell DNA.
covid is the delivery system by which the hiv snippets gain access into the cell, once inside the cytoplasm (both covid and hiv), the hiv genetic material becomes the way (thru nuclear pore complex) by which the entire genomic sequence of covid is transferred into the nucleus... binding to and permanently changing the host DNA.
thats why hiv was crispred into the rona – gain of function.
its the sequence of covid, assisted into the nucleus by hiv.. that then 'goes viral'.. exporting new DNA.. expressed as a single strand of RNA - from cell to cell – until every last cell in the body is transformed.
making designer rona... in effect a retrovirus – which increases transmissibility (increasing morbidity (not mortality))
also... this 'new DNA'... is in effect artificially procured 'complementary DNA' (cDNA)... which is - patentable.
SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/13/2020.12.12.422516.full.pdf
this 'vaccine' will introduce modified, synthetic mRNA (based on 'modified' rona retrovirus)
which will do what?
reverse transcribe into single strand cDNA, generating into double strand cDNA, incorporating into (via integrase enzyme) host cell genome - rendering your innate DNA desolate.
'Further, provided are polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA which may contain an internal ribosome entry site (RES). First identified as a feature Picorna virus RNA, IRES plays an important role in initiating protein synthesis in absence of the 5′ cap structure. An IRES may act as the sole ribosome binding site, or may serve as one of multiple ribosome binding sites of an mRNA. Polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA containing more than one functional ribosome binding site may encode several peptides or polypeptides that are translated independently by the ribosomes (“multicistronic nucleic acid molecules”). When polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA are provided with an IRES, further optionally provided is a second translatable region. Examples of IRES sequences that can be used according to the invention include without limitation, those from picornaviruses (e.g. FMDV), pest viruses (CFFV), polio viruses (PV), encephalomyocarditis viruses (ECMV), foot-and-mouth disease viruses (FMDV), hepatitis C viruses (HCV), classical swine fever viruses (CSFV), murine leukemia virus (MLV), simian immune deficiency viruses (SIV) or cricket paralysis viruses (CrPV).'
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
all who subject themselves to this grand genetic experiment (and dont die) will b altered and owned... some kind of fuked up chimeric gmo.
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Stop quoting your own posts. Other people will quote them if they like them.
While I'm at it, no more page long copypaste posts. You don't read off someone else's words when asked your opinion about things irl.
Stop it.
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Stop quoting your own posts. Other people will quote them if they like them.
While I'm at it, no more page long copypaste posts. You don't read off someone else's words when asked your opinion about things irl.
Stop it.
u may go fuk yourself, sincerely.
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Someone had to say something.
People will like you fine. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
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Someone had to say something.
People will like you fine. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
if I quote a post of mine, its cuz its relevant, and saves me from having to type it again.
also – u r another shitbag attempting to persuade the minds of ignorant people:
I've been accepting the claims of your position, namely that the unvaxed harm the vaxed
It could be true that you're harming others by not taking it.
there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.
those dangers r reality.
to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.
enjoy hell.
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You can't cite yourself to support your claims. It's simply not done.
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also – u r another shitbag attempting to persuade the minds of ignorant people:
Horseshit.
He's one of the most level headed people here.
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I can't even believe we're arguing about this.
You can't quote yourself.
Everybody knows that.
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You can't cite yourself to support your claims. It's simply not done.
lol... sure I can
how did hiv find its way into the rona?
not by accident:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag
We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.
more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)
'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier
SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/13/2020.12.12.422516.full.pdf
^ not citing shlubs, here ^
this 'vaccine' will introduce modified, synthetic mRNA (based on 'modified' rona retrovirus)
which will do what?
reverse transcribe into single strand cDNA, generating into double strand cDNA, incorporating into (via integrase enzyme) host cell genome - rendering your innate DNA desolate.
'Further, provided are polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA which may contain an internal ribosome entry site (RES). First identified as a feature Picorna virus RNA, IRES plays an important role in initiating protein synthesis in absence of the 5′ cap structure. An IRES may act as the sole ribosome binding site, or may serve as one of multiple ribosome binding sites of an mRNA. Polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA containing more than one functional ribosome binding site may encode several peptides or polypeptides that are translated independently by the ribosomes (“multicistronic nucleic acid molecules”). When polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA are provided with an IRES, further optionally provided is a second translatable region. Examples of IRES sequences that can be used according to the invention include without limitation, those from picornaviruses (e.g. FMDV), pest viruses (CFFV), polio viruses (PV), encephalomyocarditis viruses (ECMV), foot-and-mouth disease viruses (FMDV), hepatitis C viruses (HCV), classical swine fever viruses (CSFV), murine leukemia virus (MLV), simian immune deficiency viruses (SIV) or cricket paralysis viruses (CrPV).'
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
Australian Covid-19 vaccine trials ended after test subjects return 'false positive' HIV results
"Follow up tests confirmed that there is no HIV virus present, just a false positive on certain HIV tests. There is no possibility the vaccine causes infection," the statement added.
Fucboi vaccines!
COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease
J. Bart Classen, MD
https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf
'The current RNA based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients.'
The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations.'
'The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases. The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit'
'There are many other potential adverse events that can be induced by the novel RNA based vaccines against COVID-19. The vaccine places a novel molecule, spike protein, in/on the surface of host cells. This spike protein is a potential receptor for another possibly novel infectious agent. If those who argue that the COVID-19 is actually a bioweapon are correct, then a second potentially more dangerous virus may be released that binds spike protein found on the host cells of vaccine recipients.'
'Genetic diversity protects species from mass casualties caused by infectious agents. One individual may be killed by a virus while another may have no ill effects from the same virus. By placing the identical receptor, the spike protein, on cells of everyone in a population, the genetic diversity for at least one potential receptor disappears. Everyone in the population now becomes potentially susceptible to binding with the same infectious agent.'
'Approving a vaccine, utilizing novel RNA technology without extensive testing is extremely dangerous. The vaccine could be a bioweapon and even more dangerous than the original infection.'
Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might
Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says more research is needed.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/could-mrna-vaccines-permanently-alter-dna-recent-science-suggests-they-might
April 9, 2021 Over the past year, it would be all but impossible for Americans not to notice the media’s decision to make vaccines the dominant COVID narrative, rushing to do so even before any coronavirus-attributed deaths occurred.
The media’s slanted coverage has provided a particularly fruitful public relations boost for messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines — decades in the making but never approved for human use — helping to usher the experimental technology closer to the regulatory finish line.
Under ordinary circumstances, the body makes (“transcribes”) mRNA from the DNA in a cell’s nucleus. The mRNA then travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, where it provides instructions about which proteins to make.
By comparison, mRNA vaccines send their chemically synthesized mRNA payload (bundled with spike protein-manufacturing instructions) directly into the cytoplasm.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and most mRNA vaccine scientists, the buck then stops there — mRNA vaccines “do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way,” the CDC says. The CDC asserts first, that the mRNA cannot enter the cell’s nucleus (where DNA resides), and second, that the cell — Mission-Impossible-style (lmfao) — “gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.”
A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.
The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”
Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.
According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”
The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.
In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.
In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
Reverse transcription
As the phrase “reverse transcription” implies, the DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not always a one-way street. Enzymes called reverse transcriptases can also convert RNA into DNA, allowing the latter to be integrated into the DNA in the cell nucleus.
Nor is reverse transcription uncommon. Geneticists report that “Over 40% of mammalian genomes comprise the products of reverse transcription.”
The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome.
The authors suggest that while the clinical consequences require further study, detrimental effects are a distinct possibility and — depending on the integrated viral fragments’ “insertion sites in the human genome” and an individual’s underlying health status — could include “a more severe immune response … such as a ‘cytokine storm’ or auto-immune reactions.”
In 2012, a study suggested that viral genome integration could “lead to drastic consequences for the host cell, including gene disruption, insertional mutagenesis and cell death.”
Corrigan makes a point of saying that the pathways hypothesized to facilitate retro-integration of viral — or vaccine — RNA into DNA “are not unknown to people who understand molecular biology at a deeper level.”
Even so, the preprint’s discussion of reverse transcription and genome integration elicited a maelstrom of negative comments from readers unwilling to rethink biological dogma, some of whom even advocated for retraction (though preprints are, by definition, unpublished) on the grounds that “conspiracy theorists … will take this paper to ‘proof’ that mRNA vaccines can in fact alter your genetic code.”
More thoughtful readers agreed with Corrigan that the paper raises important questions. For example, one reader stated that confirmatory evidence is lacking “to show that the spike protein only is expressed for a short amount of time (say 1-3 days) after vaccination,” adding, “We think that this is the case, but there is no evidence for that.”
In fact, just how long the vaccines’ synthetic mRNA — and thus the instructions for cells to keep manufacturing spike protein — persist inside the cells is an open question.
Ordinarily, RNA is a “notoriously fragile” and unstable molecule. According to scientists, “this fragility is true of the mRNA of any living thing, whether it belongs to a plant, bacteria, virus or human.”
But the synthetic mRNA in the COVID vaccines is a different story. In fact, the step that ultimately allowed scientists and vaccine manufacturers to resolve their decades-long mRNA vaccine impasse was when they figured out how to chemically modify mRNA to increase its stability and longevity — in other words, produce RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”
It is anyone’s guess what the synthetic mRNA is doing while it is “hanging around,” but Corrigan speculates that its enhanced longevity raises the probability of it “being converted over into DNA.”
Moreover, because the vaccine mRNA is also engineered to be more efficient at being translated into protein, “negative effects could be more frequent and more pronounced with the vaccine when compared to the natural virus.”
Dollar signs
Corrigan acknowledges that some people may dismiss his warnings, saying “If the virus is able to accomplish this, then why should I care if the vaccine does the same thing?”
He has a ready and compelling response:
“[T]here’s a big difference between the scenario where people randomly, and unwittingly, have their genetics monkeyed with because they were exposed to the coronavirus, and the scenario where we willfully vaccinate billions of people while telling them this isn’t happening.”
Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude seems to be that the “race to get the public vaccinated” justifies taking these extra risks.
In mid-November, after the Jerusalem Post told readers that “when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects,” an Israeli hospital director argued that it’s not worth waiting two more years to ferret out mRNA vaccines’ “unique and unknown risks” or potential long-term effects.
In the U.S., enthusiasm for mRNA technology is similarly unfettered. Just a few days after the CDC released updated data showing that more than 2,200 deaths of individuals who had received either the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines had been reported as of Mar. 26 , The Atlantic praised the technology, suggesting that the “ingenious” synthetic mRNA technology behind Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID vaccines represented a “breakthrough” that could “change the world.”
Rather than dismiss the prospect of retro-integration of foreign DNA as a “conspiracy theory,” scientists should be conducting studies with the mRNA-vaccinated to assess actual risks.
In old Disney cartoons, viewers often witnessed Donald Duck’s rich uncle, Scrooge McDuck’s, “bulging eyes [turn] into oversized Vegas slot machine dollar signs” when contemplating opportunities to increase his already immense wealth.
Judging by pharmaceutical company executives’ willingness to overlook mRNA vaccines’ long-term — and possibly multigenerational — risks, they must be similarly entranced by dollar-sign visions of a never-ending pipeline of “plug and play” mRNA products.
mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are really ‘gene therapy’ and not vaccines
former professor at the University of Virginia’s school of medicine Dr. David Martin, Ph.D
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-are-really-gene-therapy-and-not-vaccines-ethicist
“The problem is that in the case of Moderna and Pfizer, this is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy,” he continued. The Moderna and Pfizer creations send “a strand of synthetic RNA into the human being and is invoking within the human being the creation of the S1 spike protein, which is a pathogen.”
“This is not only not keeping you from getting sick, it’s making your body produce the thing that makes you sick,” Martin added.
The interviewer admitted that this description – that the injection makes one's body produce an effect that makes one sick – sounds somewhat similar to the effect of vaccines.
But Martin countered that it is “not at all” like a vaccine, since “a vaccine is supposed to trigger immunity. It’s not supposed to trigger you to make a toxin.”
“It’s not somewhat different. It’s not the same at all,” Martin explained. “It’s a means by which your body is conscripted to make the toxin that then allegedly your body somehow gets used to dealing with, but unlike a vaccine, which is to trigger the immune response, this is to trigger the creation of the toxin.”
Targeting the pharmaceutical companies behind the supposed vaccinations, Martin alleged that they have manipulated clinical trial methodology to push their “vaccines” through development and production.
“They (pharmaceutical companies) said they could not test for the existence or absence of the virus and they could not test for the transmissivity because they said it would be impractical. (lol) The companies themselves have admitted to every single thing I’m saying, but they are using the public manipulation of the word vaccine to co-opt the public into believing they’re getting a thing which they are not getting.”
Instead, Martin warns that an mRNA injection “is not going to stop you from getting coronavirus. It’s not going to stop you from getting sick. In fact, on the contrary, it will make you sick far more often than the virus itself.”
Martin presented data confirming his claim, noting that after receiving their second shot of the jab, “80 percent of people had one or more clinical presentations of COVID-19,” whereas “80 percent of people who have an infection according to RT-PCR have no symptoms at all.”
Explaining what the figures mean, he said that people “will get COVID-19 symptoms from getting the gene therapy passed off as a vaccine. You will get COVID symptoms from that 80 percent of the time. If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 according to RT-PCR (positive PCR test), 80 percent of the time you will have no symptoms at all.”
Looking more closely at the claims emanating from the clinical trials, Martin questioned the integrity of companies developing mRNA “gene therapy technology.”
“A human being is going to be potentially exposed to unclassified, both short-term and long-term, risks of altering their RNA and DNA from exposure to this gene therapy,” Martin warned. Of the 40,000 participants in Moderna’s clinical trial, Martin noted that only a “few hundred people had a few days less severe symptoms with the gene therapy when compared to the other control group.”
Even this, he said, is unreliable information, as the pharmaceutical firms “separate out adverse events from actual COVID symptoms.” This allowed the companies to reclassify “a lot of what would have been considered to be COVID symptoms by calling them adverse events,” giving rise to “this ridiculous 90 percent plus effectiveness.”
“As a result of that, we have both a methodology problem, which by the way, has been criticized by a number of clinical scientists. The bigger problem is that they’re still not measuring viral susceptibility and viral transmission. Those are the two legs of the stool that is (sic) required for anyone to say that they are vaccinating a population for public health reasons.”
Martin advised that “this (gene therapy) is not a prophylactic, this is not helping us, we are being told to take a treatment for a disease we don’t have and most likely will not have.”
8,430 DEAD 354,177 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0MHEwIUcAY5bZQ.jpg)
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/8430-dead-354177-injuries-european-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-vaccines/
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You got the wicker basket thing and the blanket that scotsmen make dresses out of, and it's sunny. It's gonna be fun. Getbig Park. Good times.
And here he comes, with the whiskers going in all directions and the tweed trousers with a little poop on 'em and the animated conversation that doesn't have any other participants. They put it in everything, man!
Sir. Please. You're making people uncomfortable.
Now YOU'RE ONE OF EM!!! YOU'RE WITH THEM!!! I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
Ugh. Fine. He has a right to be there. I'm just asking. What kind of a board do we want to post on? I'm not saying you eject him but maybe we could offer him a ticket to another forum or something?
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You got the wicker basket thing and the blanket that scotsmen make dresses out of, and it's sunny. It's gonna be fun. Getbig Park. Good times.
And here he comes, with the whiskers going in all directions and the tweed trousers with a little poop on 'em and the animated conversation that doesn't have any other participants. They put it in everything, man!
Sir. Please. You're making people uncomfortable.
Now YOU'RE ONE OF EM!!! YOU'RE WITH THEM!!! I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
Ugh. Fine. He has a right to be there. I'm just asking. What kind of a board do we want to post on? I'm not saying you eject him but maybe we could offer him a ticket to another forum or something?
passive aggressive gaslighting does not refute reality.
if the truth bothers u so much – good – choke on it.
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https://www.wbrz.com/news/moderna-says-booster-shots-likely-needed-in-coming-years-and-reveals-new-data-regarding-vaccine-storage/
The company added that data also reveals, booster shots will likely be needed throughout 2022 and 2023, and it is prepared to deliver the necessary doses.
Pfizer CEO says third Covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html
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passive aggressive gaslighting does not refute reality.
if the truth bothers u so much – good – choke on it.
I was going to take the vaccine in 5 years but I'll wait 10 if you stop quoting yourself.
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I was going to take the vaccine in 5 years but I'll wait 10 if you stop quoting yourself.
why wait, fukstick?
act in accord with the sentiment that u spew in this thread:
I've been accepting the claims of your position, namely that the unvaxed harm the vaxed
It could be true that you're harming others by not taking it.
go get the gene therapy asap - do your part, u know – for the greater good.
also
u may go fuk yourself, sincerely.
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Quoting others. Well done. I'm proud of you, Z!
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Quoting others. Well done. I'm proud of you, Z!
good one.
I notice that u do not address the content within my 'quotes'.
u simply have a problem with them.
like howard, u aren't saying anything.
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Fair call. I've been trollin pretty hard.
I don't believe there's some insidious conspiracy involving the covid vaccines. They're just really new. I want a few years of data before I agree to have it. My principal concern, like I was trying to get across to Howard, is that people be permitted to make their choice to take it or not take it without having their life made goddamn impossible. Which is coming, and I don't like it.
Neither one of us are taking it. You're anti vax. I'm pro choice.
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Fair call. I've been trollin pretty hard.
I don't believe there's some insidious conspiracy involving the covid vaccines. They're just really new. I want a few years of data before I agree to have it. My principal concern, like I was trying to get across to Howard, is that people be permitted to make their choice to take it or not take it without having their life made goddamn impossible. Which is coming, and I don't like it.
Neither one of us are taking it. You're anti vax. I'm pro choice.
Exactly. Same here.
If they can push this gene therapy "vaccine" over a virus that is 99.9% survivable in most demographics, what's to stop them from pushing any injection for any reason.
I told myself that I need at least two years of data before I'd be willing to get this vaccine, but by then, all the hysteria over COVID will be over, and hopefully enough human guinea pigs will have lined up to get it, so they won't need to force vaccine passports and other ridiculous nonsense.
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I don't believe there's some insidious conspiracy involving the covid vaccines.
if u cant see an obvious agenda at play... even now – you're a special kind of stupid.
the spiritually dead kind.
You're anti vax. I'm pro choice.
in this instance it would b anti 'experimental gene therapy', dumb dumb.
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I got Howard telling me I'm a conspiracy nut and you insisting I'm a sheep, each of you certain in his beliefs. I make no claims to certainty. Certainty asks no questions and learns nothing new. You guys must be really bored. Time, like the man said, is the wisest counselor.
I'm beset on all sides by the iniquities of twinkies. Probably a good sign.