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Goodmorrow,
With a heavy heart I bring news that bodybuilder Phil Hernon has passed away.
Thoughts and prayers to his family and friends.
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Just saw that on FB.... sad
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Damn........RIP !
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Oh nooooooo! :'(
I was a fan. Didn’t he have a daughter? How old was he? :'(
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Damn! I remember having videos with him and Leo Costa working out. I think it was the Titan Training System. RIP
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"There is not a lot of information online about Phil which seems that it is almost deliberate but what we do know is that he was born on March 31, 1966 somewhere off the east coast of the USA."
https://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/phil-hernon.html (https://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/phil-hernon.html)
55 years old, apparently.
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Too young!
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Sad. He suffered ill health for quite a few years including kidney failure and palsy of the 3rd cranial nerve. May he rest in peace now.
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He was in a rough way -
https://www.kidneybuzz.com/find-a-kidney-donor/phil-hernon .
RIP.
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He was looking rough the past few years. Still jacked though.
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RIP.
Didnt he won a show to Craig Titus and never competed again?
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Philip Hernon Jr
Born March 31, 1966
1987
Collegiate Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 2nd
1991
USA Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 9th
1994
USA Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 3rd
1995
USA Championships - NPC, Overall Winner
USA Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 1st
1996
Night of Champions - IFBB, 15th
San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 8th
© MuscleMemory
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Pretty sad the way we're losing so many icons from when bodybuilding was still great.
I learned a lot from Phil's online posts.
He definitely had great physique genetics as he was still in good shape despite the back to back major illnesses he was getting the past few years.
PIP :'(
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PIP - 55 is no age
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Much admired thick bodybuilder, here in Pump Room 1995:
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Dropping like flies.
Must be the genetic defects from childbirth.
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His health has been declining over the past couple of years. The last time I spoke with him before the summer he seemed to be in good spirits and actually laughed a lot. Such a loss.
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Genetic abnormalities all.
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https://generationiron.com/phil-hernon-dies/
"Though initial information at this time is slim, Phil Hernon had previously posted in 2020 on Instagram posts (now deleted) that he had to be on dialysis – indicating some sort of health issue. There has been little activity on his social media channels. His latest posts falling near early 2020.
Phil Hernon’s passing comes after a string of tragic and too soon deaths. It was earlier reported that NPC bodybuilder Sofia Graham passed away in her sleep. She was 27 years old. Additionally, two bodybuilding competitors passed away at the Europa Pro this past weekend. Alena Kosinova, who was rushed to the hospital mere hours before she was set to walk on stage. Italian athlete Orlando Gallucci was also found dead just days after competing in the Europa Pro."
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"Where are the bodies..?"
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I had been following Phil heavily for years on FB and IG. He was going through a lot. Kidney failure for a long time and on dialysis for a few years now. Prior to that...he beat prostate cancer. He continued to train and looked great all through this. He kept a pretty positive outlook considering. Most guys would have broke under the circumstances. He was posting for quite a while about wanting a kidney transplant. One of his last FB posts...if I recall...was about him moving back up to NY state for the transplant. He had been in Jacksonville, Florida for the past many years. But his FB said Tampa recently. Its possible that he got the transplant and his body rejected it. Hopefully it wasnt suicide due to his many health issues building up over time. Either way...he was a guy who marched to his own drum. Had interesting takes on bodybuilding. RIP man.
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Dropping like flies.
Must be the genetic defects from childbirth.
Hopefully you're next
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Remember seeing that pic of him as a teenager. He definitely had a powerful structure. RIP
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Incredible!!!!
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Anybody know if he got vaccinated?
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Rip.
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Anybody know if he got vaccinated?
Measles.
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Hopefully you're next
How are things in the hood ?
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Goodmorrow,
With a heavy heart I bring news that bodybuilder Phil Hernon has passed away.
Thoughts and prayers to his family and friends.
It's them dangerous doctors again!!
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Hopefully you're next
Anyone ever tell you how you sound like a little bitch?
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Gesh. Crazy quads. Remember when he was promoting German Volume Training early 2000s. Maybe it was late 90s.
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Dude looks tier 1 in those pics
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674217.0;attach=1322906;image)
This pic shits all over todays top "pros" !
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When he won Nats. Beat Titus in the HW class and he stormed off stage.
Pose down included Dexter.
RIP
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When he won Nats. Beat Titus in the HW class and he stormed off stage.
Pose down included Dexter.
RIP
Back when bodybuilding was the shit !!
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When he won Nats. Beat Titus in the HW class and he stormed off stage.
Pose down included Dexter.
RIP
Who was the black dude that hugged Phil as Craig walked off the stage? Seriously, I don’t know how Craig felt that he won that division.
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Damn, I was hoping his health would improve. Not surprised it didn't unfortunately. We've been friends on FB for a while. I used to find his little video rants humorous. RIP and condolences to his family.
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R.I.P.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674217.0;attach=1322906;image)
This pic shits all over todays top "pros" !
Great shot.
Who was the black dude that hugged Phil as Craig walked off the stage? Seriously, I don’t know how Craig felt that he won that division.
That's a young Dexter Jackson, he was Lt-heavy that year. Edit, I see now, I think that's Ron Flowers, only did a few shows, but was in the magazines a little.
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Rip to a legend in the game and used to post all the time over on the ProMuscle board.
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LBA's of peace
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"Where are the bodies..?"
Ask Palumbo too. He famously commented “McCarvers’ death had a ‘genetic component’….”
Yeah, right. It wasn’t the 10g of gear he was taking?
Howcome Manion and Sweinberger never comment on all these deaths in the ifbb/npc?
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Amazing physique at his peak.
I enjoyed the short videos he uploaded to youtube in his car. He was basically trying to steer people away from bodybuilding. One thing that sticks in my mind is he repeatedly said nobody cares when you are walking around big.
RIP.
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PIP. All the way big dude.
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RIP
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Great shot.
That's a young Dexter Jackson, he was Lt-heavy that year. Edit, I see now, I think that's Ron Flowers, only did a few shows, but was in the magazines a little.
No, definitely Dexter.
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Dude looks tier 1 in those pics
Easily tier 2. Bay likey.
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"There is not a lot of information online about Phil which seems that it is almost deliberate but what we do know is that he was born on March 31, 1966 somewhere off the east coast of the USA."
https://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/phil-hernon.html (https://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/phil-hernon.html)
55 years old, apparently.
Normal life expectancy for a (former) heavyweight BB to kick the bucket, nothing to be sad/write home about
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I had been following Phil heavily for years on FB and IG. He was going through a lot. Kidney failure for a long time and on dialysis for a few years now. Prior to that...he beat prostate cancer. He continued to train and looked great all through this. He kept a pretty positive outlook considering. Most guys would have broke under the circumstances. He was posting for quite a while about wanting a kidney transplant. One of his last FB posts...if I recall...was about him moving back up to NY state for the transplant. He had been in Jacksonville, Florida for the past many years. But his FB said Tampa recently. Its possible that he got the transplant and his body rejected it. Hopefully it wasnt suicide due to his many health issues building up over time. Either way...he was a guy who marched to his own drum. Had interesting takes on bodybuilding. RIP man.
He moved from NY to Jacksonville. Then moved to S Florida (Lantana/WPB) when he was part owner in those two peptide companies down here. I used to catch workouts with him every couple of months since he was only 25 minutes away. He started having health issues and met a girl who took care of him. They got moved to Tampa and then to Atlanta where he and his wife Pam went through a divorce but remained best friends. He got engaged to his girlfriend and that was the last I saw him (in person). Then he moved from Atlanta, back to Jacksonville briefly to wrap up some things and sell his condo. He worked out until he fucked up both quads and then started training with his bousi (sp?) ball. He had a ton of knowledge and some great gym stories.
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He moved from NY to Jacksonville. Then moved to S Florida (Lantana/WPB) when he was part owner in those two peptide companies down here. I used to catch workouts with him every couple of months since he was only 25 minutes away. He started having health issues and met a girl who took care of him. They got moved to Tampa and then to Atlanta where he and his wife Pam went through a divorce but remained best friends. He got engaged to his girlfriend and that was the last I saw him (in person). Then he moved from Atlanta, back to Jacksonville briefly to wrap up some things and sell his condo. He worked out until he fucked up both quads and then started training with his bousi (sp?) ball. He had a ton of knowledge and some great gym stories.
That must have been awesome to train with him !!
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That must have been awesome to train with him !!
He was extremely down to earth. The LA Fitness in Boyton Beach was directly next to a Pollo Tropical. We would train and then walk next door and order a Large Pollo Tropichop - chicken and brown rice, plop of bbq sauce, stir it all around and have a coke zero with it. Up until then, I was always having white rice with chicken post work out. He got me to stick with white rice before the workout, brown rice afterwards. He said "it just works better". Nothing else, no long scientific detailed explanation. Just that. And it did.
He got screwed over big time by his peptide partner. Which lead to both peptide companies going under (partner had to hide).
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He was extremely down to earth. The LA Fitness in Boyton Beach was directly next to a Pollo Tropical. We would train and then walk next door and order a Large Pollo Tropichop - chicken and brown rice, plop of bbq sauce, stir it all around and have a coke zero with it. Up until then, I was always having white rice with chicken post work out. He got me to stick with white rice before the workout, brown rice afterwards. He said "it just works better". Nothing else, no long scientific detailed explanation. Just that. And it did.
He got screwed over big time by his peptide partner. Which lead to both peptide companies going under (partner had to hide).
Cool !!
When I lived in Port St. Lucie back in the early to mid 90`s I trained with IFBB pro Dave Marinelli a few times and had the distinct pleasure of doing 5-6 sets of pulldowns with Jeff King once.................... .also a great guy who made time for anyone.
Thanks bro.
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Cool !!
When I lived in Port St. Lucie back in the early to mid 90`s I trained with IFBB pro Dave Marinelli a few times and had the distinct pleasure of doing 5-6 sets of pulldowns with Jeff King once.................... .also a great guy who made time for anyone.
Thanks bro.
I train with Paul Baker a lot here. He's just a comedy show the entire time. Great dude, but Phil was an encyclopedia of knowledge. Stayed in shape all the time too. Even with the bousi ball training.
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He was extremely down to earth. The LA Fitness in Boyton Beach was directly next to a Pollo Tropical. We would train and then walk next door and order a Large Pollo Tropichop - chicken and brown rice, plop of bbq sauce, stir it all around and have a coke zero with it. Up until then, I was always having white rice with chicken post work out. He got me to stick with white rice before the workout, brown rice afterwards. He said "it just works better". Nothing else, no long scientific detailed explanation. Just that. And it did.
He got screwed over big time by his peptide partner. Which lead to both peptide companies going under (partner had to hide).
He didn't stick to the fruit stuff?
Honestly it was pretty impressive how long he was in shape for. You reckon Phil was lying about being on trt? If not, those are some freaky genetics.
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He didn't stick to the fruit stuff?
Honestly it was pretty impressive how long he was in shape for. You reckon Phil was lying about being on trt? If not, those are some freaky genetics.
10-12 years ago,, i saw a sample of the diet he gave one of his online clients.... pretty sure it was ALL fruit for carbs... ive never tried it though.... i also believe he was a big fan of negatives when training.... im talking sets of negative movements.
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He didn't stick to the fruit stuff?
Honestly it was pretty impressive how long he was in shape for. You reckon Phil was lying about being on trt? If not, those are some freaky genetics.
No he wasn’t lying about his TRT dose. He used a lot peps as well mainly just to try them out.
I didn’t eat every meal with him but post training when we went there that is what he had. He ate clean year around. And stayed in shape. Even when he dropped weight training for bands and then dropped that for body weight bouis ball training or whatever that blue thing is called he stayed in great shape.
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workout of peace:
1. Chest, Back, Standing calvs-Day 1
2. Quads, hamstrings, abs- Day 2
3. Shoulders, Biceps, Triceps, Seated calvs- Day 3
4. Off
3 Sets ONLY per body part. After warm up, do heaviest set first, maybe in the range of 5-9 reps to failure, then drop 10% for another set, then another 10% drop for last set. Rest between sets until breathing returns to normal. Use compound movements only. No cables.
Choose between declines and dips only for chest .
Side laterals only for shoulders, no pressing movements.
Squats for quads only.
Choose stiff legged dead lifts, abductors and leg curls for hamstrings, and you can rotate these exercises or do 1 set of each as per how you feel. Rotate standing and seated calvs when it is their turn to train them.
Pull ups and rows for your back because it is so big, 3 sets each.
DBs for bicep curls, dips or close grip bench for triceps.
Do not go all the way up or all the way down on any exercise, stay in the 80% zone.
Keep a fast smooth pace, no kinks or stopping to catch breath.
Take each set to failure, do not count reps after the first set. Do 7-10 minutes of hard cardio every day except for leg day, after weight training.
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workout of peace:
1. Chest, Back, Standing calvs-Day 1
2. Quads, hamstrings, abs- Day 2
3. Shoulders, Biceps, Triceps, Seated calvs- Day 3
4. Off
3 Sets ONLY per body part. After warm up, do heaviest set first, maybe in the range of 5-9 reps to failure, then drop 10% for another set, then another 10% drop for last set. Rest between sets until breathing returns to normal. Use compound movements only. No cables.
Choose between declines and dips only for chest .
Side laterals only for shoulders, no pressing movements.
Squats for quads only.
Choose stiff legged dead lifts, abductors and leg curls for hamstrings, and you can rotate these exercises or do 1 set of each as per how you feel. Rotate standing and seated calvs when it is their turn to train them.
Pull ups and rows for your back because it is so big, 3 sets each.
DBs for bicep curls, dips or close grip bench for triceps.
Do not go all the way up or all the way down on any exercise, stay in the 80% zone.
Keep a fast smooth pace, no kinks or stopping to catch breath.
Take each set to failure, do not count reps after the first set. Do 7-10 minutes of hard cardio every day except for leg day, after weight training.
That is the workout that he advocated for many years. I remember someone paying him for it long ago on Outlaw and posting the email from him. That is word for word what he sent the guy.
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No he wasn’t lying about his TRT dose. He used a lot peps as well mainly just to try them out.
I didn’t eat every meal with him but post training when we went there that is what he had. He ate clean year around. And stayed in shape. Even when he dropped weight training for bands and then dropped that for body weight bouis ball training or whatever that blue thing is called he stayed in great shape.
How much TRT? A gram a week?
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How much TRT? A gram a week?
He used a clinic down here, which follows the standard format of 200mg a week as all the other ones. Due to the dubious side of the peptide industry he said he didn't want to obtain them from anywhere else in case LE came investigating. At least he had a legit script here for it.
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He used a clinic down here, which follows the standard format of 200mg a week as all the other ones. Due to the dubious side of the peptide industry he said he didn't want to obtain them from anywhere else in case LE came investigating. At least he had a legit script here for it.
From what I read he made a lot of enemies selling fake peptides, I think one product was some myostatin peptide. I think they had it analyzed and it was bunk. I'm not in the US so never tried any of those.
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From what I read he made a lot of enemies selling fake peptides, I think one product was some myostatin peptide. I think they had it analyzed and it was bunk. I'm not in the US so never tried any of those.
Most of his stuff was bunk from what i remember.
A lot of people tried to speak out against it, but he was protected by the forums because he was a sponsor.
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From what I read he made a lot of enemies selling fake peptides, I think one product was some myostatin peptide. I think they had it analyzed and it was bunk. I'm not in the US so never tried any of those.
Most of his stuff was bunk from what i remember.
A lot of people tried to speak out against it, but he was protected by the forums because he was a sponsor.
IIRC our very own ESF posted some very unflattering comments about these scenarios a couple years back...
(Where is he when you need him? LOL)
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When he owned Ergo he bought crap Follistatin which the guy sent him something to try that was not follistatin and he said it showed results. What he sold others under the Follistatin name was crap the guy passed off on him. He did not knowingly sell fake stuff. Anyone complaining was banned because the supplier was “golden” over on PM and the mods didn’t want backlash.
Phil later merged Ergo into Purchase Peptides and turned over all his connections to the scumbag that ripped him off later on. He gave Phil shares in a non existent company in return. Later on just decided to stop paying him his checks all together. Same dude convinced Phil to give him $100,000 as an investment in a detox center that never even opened its doors. The guy never even finished the remodeling basics. Instead just walked away leaving it sitting there collecting fines from the city daily.
Phil then went with Grindstone Labs and was doing ok as it was owned by former friends and employees of the previous scumbag. However shit hit the fan when the previous scumbag caught the eye of the feds and they started freezing his bank accounts and investigating his fake charity.
After Grindstone shut down Phil moved on to a few more industry related things behind the scenes that I won’t mention or get into He did have a healthy monthly income for his rental properties.
When people talk about his fake peps it is always the Follistatin from the PM supplier. Otherwise he was probably one of the more honest snake oil salesman around.
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From what I read he made a lot of enemies selling fake peptides, I think one product was some myostatin peptide. I think they had it analyzed and it was bunk. I'm not in the US so never tried any of those.
prof muscle forum scammer of peace
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That is the workout that he advocated for many years. I remember someone paying him for it long ago on Outlaw and posting the email from him. That is word for word what he sent the guy.
Lurker
Is that how you train
Just wondering
These low volume guys always intrigue me (I would put guys like Lacour and Willet in the low volume category although they did a bit more than Hernon seems to have recommended)
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Lurker
Is that how you train
Just wondering
These low volume guys always intrigue me (I would put guys like Lacour and Willet in the low volume category although they did a bit more than Hernon seems to have recommended)
Part of the year I do. I’ve posted my training routine before. Brief overview :
January to March with Phil training style with minor modifications to it. Like I don’t do dips but do ten degree inclines, front squats instead of regular squats, etc. few deviations but the premise is the same.
April to October
More volume. 10-12 sets, reps in the 10-12 range except quads which are in the 10-15 range. At this point I don’t do any cardio work at all. I mean I do cardio type activities like biking and swimming but no cardio in the gym. I just ride and swim for fun. I don’t monitor HR or calories burned or anything.
November to December I don’t really train at all. I spend these eight weeks trying different exercise activities. One of the best I ever did was years ago someone taught a power yoga class and I went there and it was brutal. Extreme stretches incorporating foam rolling and forced assistance. It was great. The teacher has never been back since then but I still do sessions using some of the ones I can do by myself a few times a month.
I believe the eight weeks off really helps more than it hurts overall if you stay active. Any kind of “exercise” that gets you sweating is good. Also this is the reason I start back with Phil’s type of training in January as opposed to volume type. Im rested, any nagging soreness has healed, im stronger on core exercises and looking forward to resuming weight resistance training.
The fact that November and December are the busiest months for my travel photo gigs makes light activity more ideal for when I am traveling and in hotels or on cruises where they don’t have great gyms.
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Part of the year I do. I’ve posted my training routine before. Brief overview :
January to March with Phil training style with minor modifications to it. Like I don’t do dips but do ten degree inclines, front squats instead of regular squats, etc. few deviations but the premise is the same.
April to October
More volume. 10-12 sets, reps in the 10-12 range except quads which are in the 10-15 range. At this point I don’t do any cardio work at all. I mean I do cardio type activities like biking and swimming but no cardio in the gym. I just ride and swim for fun. I don’t monitor HR or calories burned or anything.
November to December I don’t really train at all. I spend these eight weeks trying different exercise activities. One of the best I ever did was years ago someone taught a power yoga class and I went there and it was brutal. Extreme stretches incorporating foam rolling and forced assistance. It was great. The teacher has never been back since then but I still do sessions using some of the ones I can do by myself a few times a month.
I believe the eight weeks off really helps more than it hurts overall if you stay active. Any kind of “exercise” that gets you sweating is good. Also this is the reason I start back with Phil’s type of training in January as opposed to volume type. Im rested, any nagging soreness has healed, im stronger on core exercises and looking forward to resuming weight resistance training.
The fact that November and December are the busiest months for my travel photo gigs makes light activity more ideal for when I am traveling and in hotels or on cruises where they don’t have great gyms.
Interesting. So you have sort of an annualized periodization
I tend to do typically do about 9-12 sets per bp hitting everything 1x per week
I'm thinking about cutting the volume by about 40% and going on an every other day upper/lower split just for something different.
I did chest back and traps today and did 10 sets for chest, 11 sets for back and 6 sets for traps
I do like that amount of volume but I'm curious if lowering the volume might be novel stimulus
Years ago when Dorian was influencing everyone I did lower volume and liked it but I gradually added more volume over time and liked that too. Sometimes I think I may be doing too much volume just because I like working out.
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Interesting. So you have sort of an annualized periodization
I tend to do typically do about 9-12 sets per bp hitting everything 1x per week
I'm thinking about cutting the volume by about 40% and going on an every other day upper/lower split just for something different.
I did chest back and traps today and did 10 sets for chest, 11 sets for back and 6 sets for traps
I do like that amount of volume but I'm curious if lowering the volume might be novel stimulus
Years ago when Dorian was influencing everyone I did lower volume and liked it but I gradually added more volume over time and liked that too. Sometimes I think I may be doing too much volume just because I like working out.
Check my posts on y.
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He was almost unrecognizable in the later years. :-\
https://instagram.com/phil_hernon?utm_medium=copy_link
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He was almost unrecognizable in the later years. :-\
https://instagram.com/phil_hernon?utm_medium=copy_link
:o how can that not be tier 1?
and he was still enough to be tier 5 in his later years:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOaH5Q6giE5/
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He used a clinic down here, which follows the standard format of 200mg a week as all the other ones. Due to the dubious side of the peptide industry he said he didn't want to obtain them from anywhere else in case LE came investigating. At least he had a legit script here for it.
BB are hilarious. "Trt." 200-250 isn't trt
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That is the workout that he advocated for many years. I remember someone paying him for it long ago on Outlaw and posting the email from him. That is word for word what he sent the guy.
100% ...
thats the exact workout he'd copy/paste in email that he used to give all people he coached imo..
I paid him for coaching 15+ years ago....
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That is the workout that he advocated for many years. I remember someone paying him for it long ago on Outlaw and posting the email from him. That is word for word what he sent the guy.
I think it was Leo Costa's Titan Training System from the 90's. He was featured in the videos.
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His health has been declining over the past couple of years. The last time I spoke with him before the summer he seemed to be in good spirits and actually laughed a lot. Such a loss.
All real bbers need to befriend a MD.
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:)
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BB are hilarious. "Trt." 200-250 isn't trt
200mg is the standard protocol that all HRT/TRT clinics prescribe down here. The protocol is always :
200mg Test Cyp weekly
500ius HCG twice weekly (but most are switching to a another gonadatropin drug since they can't get HCG)
1mg arimidex weekly (it is usually compounded in with the test cyp)
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100% ...
thats the exact workout he'd copy/paste in email that he used to give all people he coached imo..
I paid him for coaching 15+ years ago....
Yes, and here is the exact same diet that he would send out with the training program. This is from 2007 I believe. All things considered, even by today's standards and all the supplements available, the training program and diet is pretty sound advice for most people.
Ok XXXXXXXX
I believe we all want to get leaner and add muscle. I am glad this is what you want also. Do not be afraid to lose a little muscle to get leaner because muscle is EASY to put back on but getting really lean is hard. Staying lean year round is the best way to approach things.
I want you to eat ONLY when hungry. Eat these nutrient grams, ok? 40 grams of carbs, 40 grams of protein, 20 grams of fat at EACH MEAL. After ten days, tell me how many meals on average you have eaten, ok? This way we can see what calorie number we have to be to keep your bodyweight the same/lose/gain. Please weigh yourself every day at the same time.Olive/coconut/walnut oil/grass fed cattle butter for fats........... fruits/juices and green vegetables ONLY for carbs......... Lean Beef Aminos and omega-3 eggs, chicken, milk, greek yogurt, cottage cheese, soy , grass fed beef or wild fish for protein. No powders for now. You order LBAs from trueprotein.com and use my last name ( HERNON) in discount box to get them cheaper.
1. Lean Beef Aminos
2. Kre Alkalyn-( better than monohydrate)
3. 1 Aspirin per day-81mg
4. Vitamin/mineral
5. Fish Oils-10 grams daily
6. COQ10-100 mg daily
7. DHEA...25mg morning/25mg nightly.........
8. Humanofort-200 mg before bed
You can use your BCAA on an empty stomach before training but save your money on anything else..........LBAs take that place.
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Interesting. So you have sort of an annualized periodization
I tend to do typically do about 9-12 sets per bp hitting everything 1x per week
I'm thinking about cutting the volume by about 40% and going on an every other day upper/lower split just for something different.
I did chest back and traps today and did 10 sets for chest, 11 sets for back and 6 sets for traps
I do like that amount of volume but I'm curious if lowering the volume might be novel stimulus
Years ago when Dorian was influencing everyone I did lower volume and liked it but I gradually added more volume over time and liked that too. Sometimes I think I may be doing too much volume just because I like working out.
When I train with Phil's concept January-March, I hit each body part twice a week. April-October I hit body parts twice every 10-11 days. With Phils in Jan-March, I will train abs and do cardio, but no traps. April-Oct, I will train traps but not abs or do cardio (in the gym)
I tend to choose more travel gigs towards the end of the year so if I were planning to still training with any decent weights or intensity, it would be hard doing so in hotels or on cruises. Instead I just prefer to be "active" and not stress about missing workouts. Interestingly enough, I tend to increase my carbs and overall calories during this time and yet never see any fat gain.
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RIP Phil, you were awesome and a true mass monster
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Yes, and here is the exact same diet that he would send out with the training program. This is from 2007 I believe. All things considered, even by today's standards and all the supplements available, the training program and diet is pretty sound advice for most people.
Ok XXXXXXXX
I believe we all want to get leaner and add muscle. I am glad this is what you want also. Do not be afraid to lose a little muscle to get leaner because muscle is EASY to put back on but getting really lean is hard. Staying lean year round is the best way to approach things.
I want you to eat ONLY when hungry. Eat these nutrient grams, ok? 40 grams of carbs, 40 grams of protein, 20 grams of fat at EACH MEAL. After ten days, tell me how many meals on average you have eaten, ok? This way we can see what calorie number we have to be to keep your bodyweight the same/lose/gain. Please weigh yourself every day at the same time.Olive/coconut/walnut oil/grass fed cattle butter for fats........... fruits/juices and green vegetables ONLY for carbs......... Lean Beef Aminos and omega-3 eggs, chicken, milk, greek yogurt, cottage cheese, soy , grass fed beef or wild fish for protein. No powders for now. You order LBAs from trueprotein.com and use my last name ( HERNON) in discount box to get them cheaper.
1. Lean Beef Aminos
2. Kre Alkalyn-( better than monohydrate)
3. 1 Aspirin per day-81mg
4. Vitamin/mineral
5. Fish Oils-10 grams daily
6. COQ10-100 mg daily
7. DHEA...25mg morning/25mg nightly.........
8. Humanofort-200 mg before bed
You can use your BCAA on an empty stomach before training but save your money on anything else..........LBAs take that place.
yep... was definitely around that time and thats the exact macro split.... basically said eat when hungry and don't eat if not.
I had the workouts saved.. not the diet --- good to see that again
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Yes, and here is the exact same diet that he would send out with the training program. This is from 2007 I believe. All things considered, even by today's standards and all the supplements available, the training program and diet is pretty sound advice for most people.
Ok XXXXXXXX
I believe we all want to get leaner and add muscle. I am glad this is what you want also. Do not be afraid to lose a little muscle to get leaner because muscle is EASY to put back on but getting really lean is hard. Staying lean year round is the best way to approach things.
I want you to eat ONLY when hungry. Eat these nutrient grams, ok? 40 grams of carbs, 40 grams of protein, 20 grams of fat at EACH MEAL. After ten days, tell me how many meals on average you have eaten, ok? This way we can see what calorie number we have to be to keep your bodyweight the same/lose/gain. Please weigh yourself every day at the same time.Olive/coconut/walnut oil/grass fed cattle butter for fats........... fruits/juices and green vegetables ONLY for carbs......... Lean Beef Aminos and omega-3 eggs, chicken, milk, greek yogurt, cottage cheese, soy , grass fed beef or wild fish for protein. No powders for now. You order LBAs from trueprotein.com and use my last name ( HERNON) in discount box to get them cheaper.
1. Lean Beef Aminos
2. Kre Alkalyn-( better than monohydrate)
3. 1 Aspirin per day-81mg
4. Vitamin/mineral
5. Fish Oils-10 grams daily
6. COQ10-100 mg daily
7. DHEA...25mg morning/25mg nightly.........
8. Humanofort-200 mg before bed
You can use your BCAA on an empty stomach before training but save your money on anything else..........LBAs take that place.
Why would you follow the diet and supplement routine of someone who died in their 50's?
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Is that how you train
Just wondering
These low volume guys always intrigue me (I would put guys like Lacour and Willet in the low volume category although they did a bit more than Hernon seems to have recommended)
It's "high frequency", everything gets hit 2-4x over a 7 day period.
I paid for training w Phil and I consider it money well spent. Was a big picture kinda guy and had a lot of training philosophies not heard else where.
PIP
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No gofundme drive for Phil's loved ones? For underprivileged kids? For the Phil Foundation? Surely this physique deserves a fundraiser of some kind?
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Why would you follow the diet and supplement routine of someone who died in their 50's?
It wasn't the diet that did that to his kidneys. Guy must have been going super intense on the gear in the 90s. Probably why he was too scared to make a comeback.
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I don't think he died young for a bodybuilder. Dallas McCarver died young, Phil died around the time when lifelong bodybuilders tend to go.
I am curious to see how Dorian Yates will fare, since he was one of the first to push the envelope. Haven't heard much in the way of health issues from him yet--aside from getting beat up at an expo :D
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I don't think he died young for a bodybuilder. Dallas McCarver died young, Phil died around the time when lifelong bodybuilders tend to go.
I am curious to see how Dorian Yates will fare, since he was one of the first to push the envelope. Haven't heard much in the way of health issues from him yet--aside from getting beat up at an expo :D
But Dorian didn’t care about being big afterwards. The guys that had issues or died like Nasser kept the weight on.
But Phil must’ve had kidney issues to begin with. He was a lean physique after competing with not too much on his frame that would make you think it would do him harm.
I don’t know, I think we are beginning to see the bodybuilding longevity issue at play now. My friend just died a few weeks ago of a heart attack. Both of us competed for years.
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Why would you follow the diet and supplement routine of someone who died in their 50's?
Because looking at it, it appears more sound than people who are chugging pre workouts and a variety of other things like SARMS.
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But Dorian didn’t care about being big afterwards. The guys that had issues or died like Nasser kept the weight on.
But Phil must’ve had kidney issues to begin with. He was a lean physique after competing with not too much on his frame that would make you think it would do him harm.
I don’t know, I think we are beginning to see the bodybuilding longevity issue at play now. My friend just died a few weeks ago of a heart attack. Both of us competed for years.
Phil's kidney issues were mostly genetic. In reality, Phil was a strong advocate for lower AAS doses. He's responsible for many people cutting their AAS back once they hired him.
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I don't think he died young for a bodybuilder. Dallas McCarver died young, Phil died around the time when lifelong bodybuilders tend to go.
I am curious to see how Dorian Yates will fare, since he was one of the first to push the envelope. Haven't heard much in the way of health issues from him yet--aside from getting beat up at an expo :D
How old was Phil? I'm thinking 55 at the most?
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It is hard not to notice the sharp contrast between reactions to the passing of John Meadows and Phil. John’s passing generated an huge outpouring of well wishes and condolences. He was widely respected and people were grateful for the knowledge he shared. Almost no one had anything negative to say about their dealings with him… despite the fact his physique was not one many people publicly admired and he never won any of the big shows. He was well known to be invested in his role as a father and hubby. The gofundme memorial account created after his death generated $250,461.
Phil had a freaky physique for about 15 minutes and won his share trophies… but the warm wishes were few and far between and lots of negative reflections have been shared. Virtually no comments on his family status; no gofundme memorial fund. :-\
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Phil's kidney issues were mostly genetic. In reality, Phil was a strong advocate for lower AAS doses. He's responsible for many people cutting their AAS back once they hired him.
He may have advocated lower doses for people he was training but he was juiced to the gills.
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He may have advocated lower doses for people he was training but he was juiced to the gills.
And you have proof of this? Please share.
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And you have proof of this? Please share.
Yes, I do. Pics and the fact that he was an IFBB pro.
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BB are hilarious. "Trt." 200-250 isn't trt
What do you consider TRT and are you a doctor? I'm prescribed 200mg/wk of Test Cyp and my total test is around 750 ng/ml.
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I only knew him from professionalmuscle forums but he was a very "difficult" personality. Antagonistic. Never knew when he was serious or just fucking around. He was very critical of various things in bodybuilding he was himself guilty of.
It wasn't the diet that did that to his kidneys. Guy must have been going super intense on the gear in the 90s. Probably why he was too scared to make a comeback.
Maybe. I remember he said he didn't compete because he promised his kids he wasn't going back to prison. As if you risk going to prison just by juicing. You go to prison for dealing. So who knows what the real reason was. Maybe he thought you couldn't compete unless you dealt drugs, who knows. And if he was so afraid of the law how come he got involved with selling peptides?
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But Dorian didn’t care about being big afterwards. The guys that had issues or died like Nasser kept the weight on.
But Phil must’ve had kidney issues to begin with. He was a lean physique after competing with not too much on his frame that would make you think it would do him harm.
I don’t know, I think we are beginning to see the bodybuilding longevity issue at play now. My friend just died a few weeks ago of a heart attack. Both of us competed for years.
What? The guy was huge!
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Yes, I do. Pics and the fact that he was an IFBB pro.
Please show the pics of his juiced to the gills use. He was an IFBB pro in the 90s and probably used as much as anyone else then. He hadn't competed or trained for competition in over 20 years and his AAS use was much less.
But I will wait to see your pics and judge for myself.
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I only knew him from professionalmuscle forums but he was a very "difficult" personality. Antagonistic. Never knew when he was serious or just fucking around. He was very critical of various things in bodybuilding he was himself guilty of.
Maybe. I remember he said he didn't compete because he promised his kids he wasn't going back to prison. As if you risk going to prison just by juicing. You go to prison for dealing. So who knows what the real reason was. Maybe he thought you couldn't compete unless you dealt drugs, who knows. And if he was so afraid of the law how come he got involved with selling peptides?
Because until recently the gov't didn't give a shit about peptides. It was the "mislabeled" compounds (chems/SARMS) that all the shops were dealing with that they were pursuing.
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What? The guy was huge!
Actually, he wasn't that huge. In clothes he looked like a fitness competitor. If you hadn't seen old photos of him you would never think he could have reached the size he did.
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Please show the pics of his juiced to the gills use. He was an IFBB pro in the 90s and probably used as much as anyone else then. He hadn't competed or trained for competition in over 20 years and his AAS use was much less.
But I will wait to see your pics and judge for myself.
Regardless of what he used it's pretty much a given that his kidney issues had to do with the bodybuilding lifestyle. The kidneys do not usually go real early if you use very modest amounts.
I remember when Phil said he ate only hydrolyzed collagen for protein on the prep where he got his pro card. I don't think so, a real shit protein that's incomplete. You didn't know when he was serious.
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It is hard not to notice the sharp contrast between reactions to the passing of John Meadows and Phil. John’s passing generated an huge outpouring of well wishes and condolences. He was widely respected and people were grateful for the knowledge he shared. Almost no one had anything negative to say about their dealings with him… despite the fact his physique was not one many people publicly admired and he never won any of the big shows. He was well known to be invested in his role as a father and hubby. The gofundme memorial account created after his death generated $250,461.
Phil had a freaky physique for about 15 minutes and won his share trophies… but the warm wishes were few and far between and lots of negative reflections have been shared. Virtually no comments on his family status; no gofundme memorial fund. :-\
I noticed dante and the permabulker crew seem to be prissy bitches about philip.
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But Dorian didn’t care about being big afterwards. The guys that had issues or died like Nasser kept the weight on.
But Phil must’ve had kidney issues to begin with. He was a lean physique after competing with not too much on his frame that would make you think it would do him harm.
I don’t know, I think we are beginning to see the bodybuilding longevity issue at play now. My friend just died a few weeks ago of a heart attack. Both of us competed for years.
Dorian has to be walking around at 210-220, he looks pretty big. Same with Phil. Carrying that much size is hard for the body, no matter if it's fat or muscle
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Regardless of what he used it's pretty much a given that his kidney issues had to do with the bodybuilding lifestyle. The kidneys do not usually go real early if you use very modest amounts.
I remember when Phil said he ate only hydrolyzed collagen for protein on the prep where he got his pro card. I don't think so, a real shit protein that's incomplete. You didn't know when he was serious.
Lol. I didn't know if he was trolling or serious about the LBAs and humanofort stuff.
I've got a lot of love for phil. I'd say he was the biggest lifting influence on me. Frequency is very important when you're clean.
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I've got a lot of love for phil. I'd say he was the biggest lifting influence on me. Frequency is very important when you're clean.
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Agreed, I think he was a 'great bodybuilding mind'
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Dorian has to be walking around at 210-220, he looks pretty big. Same with Phil. Carrying that much size is hard for the body, no matter if it's fat or muscle
Dorian isn't big whatsoever
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that's a weird video
what's with the hand-holding before the squats
I wish that dude calling him Phillip and constantly talking in the background would STFU
Also interesting that he's doing standing DB press when the workout posted on this thread said they only did laterals for delts
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Here is the book
http://www.rogerhardin.com/downloads/BigBeyondBelief-eBook.pdf
(http://www.rogerhardin.com/downloads/BigBeyondBelief-eBook.pdf)
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Dorian isn't big whatsoever
His arms are gone. But seems to hold weight in legs.
Maybe him going the hippie route will or has saved his life.
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His arms are gone. But seems to hold weight in legs.
Maybe him going the hippie route will or has saved his life.
I noticed one of his calves is gone as well.
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Dorian isn't big whatsoever
???
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that's a weird video
what's with the hand-holding before the squats
I wish that dude calling him Phillip and constantly talking in the background would STFU
Also interesting that he's doing standing DB press when the workout posted on this thread said they only did laterals for delts
He posted about the video years ago. He said those videos were a paid job. Not his actual workouts.
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That’s probably around 2012-2016.
His calf might be nerve issue.
He works out like once a week and mostly does outdoor stuff like cycling and hiking.
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Dorian looks nowhere near that anymore.
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Here is the book
http://www.rogerhardin.com/downloads/BigBeyondBelief-eBook.pdf
(http://www.rogerhardin.com/downloads/BigBeyondBelief-eBook.pdf)
I used to have this book, good stuff!
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I think I got this tape somewhere (VHS) good stuff!
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Anybody know if he got vaccinated?
Bro...
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Normal life expectancy for a (former) heavyweight BB to kick the bucket, nothing to be sad/write home about
Bro...
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It is hard not to notice the sharp contrast between reactions to the passing of John Meadows and Phil. John’s passing generated an huge outpouring of well wishes and condolences. He was widely respected and people were grateful for the knowledge he shared. Almost no one had anything negative to say about their dealings with him… despite the fact his physique was not one many people publicly admired and he never won any of the big shows. He was well known to be invested in his role as a father and hubby. The gofundme memorial account created after his death generated $250,461.
Phil had a freaky physique for about 15 minutes and won his share trophies… but the warm wishes were few and far between and lots of negative reflections have been shared. Virtually no comments on his family status; no gofundme memorial fund. :-\
Brutal if true
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He may have advocated lower doses for people he was training but he was juiced to the gills.
most people don't get a huge gofundme gathered when they die...
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most people don't get a huge gofundme gathered when they die...
Most have health and life insurance.
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Dorian looks nowhere near that anymore.
Sorry I don’t really pay attention to the goings-on of retired bodybuilders. Good thing we have people people like you that do
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I don't think he died young for a bodybuilder. Dallas McCarver died young, Phil died around the time when lifelong bodybuilders tend to go.
I am curious to see how Dorian Yates will fare, since he was one of the first to push the envelope. Haven't heard much in the way of health issues from him yet--aside from getting beat up at an expo :D
he always seems happy and looks healthy on instagram
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Sorry I don’t really pay attention to the goings-on of retired bodybuilders. Good thing we have people people like you that do
you talk like you pay attention to them :)
here is dorian today
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTAbZlKDwA6/
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you talk like you pay attention to them :)
here is dorian today
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTAbZlKDwA6/
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I don't know what he weighs but he looks at least 220lbs to me. Not exactly light.
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I don't know what he weighs but he looks at least 220lbs to me. Not exactly light.
He still has legs but he has 14 inch arms
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He still has legs but he has 14 inch arms
He would dwarf you in 3 - 4 months if he decided to train like a bodybuilder again ;).
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He would dwarf you in 3 - 4 months if he decided to train like a bodybuilder again ;).
Horse shit. In that same 3-4 months Bhank will probably eclipse 250.
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He still has legs but he has 14 inch arms
One arm is torn, both the tricep and bicep have retracted a lot. One calf shows signs of some type of nerve issue, I assume. Still has a lot of "bulk", would be called a very muscular male in the doctors office, especially compared to an average male of his age.
He would dwarf you in 3 - 4 months if he decided to train like a bodybuilder again ;).
He would be 250 again within a month of doing some testosterone and gh. He would gain so fast he would have to intentionally limit his growth so as not to put stress on his heart, kidneys etc. If he did insulin too he would be 250 in 2 weeks, would be my prediction. Yates is up in age but Flex, with his bad kidneys, gained line over 30lbs in less than a month with Milos for one of his last shows, if not the last, disregarding his half-natural comeback. He ended up in the hospital at the end of that rapid gain, but Milos said he went from skinny-fat to one of the best in the world within that month.
Look at his front to back thickness still despite not really lifting at all:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbf-uArrN7/?utm_medium=copy_link
Dorian's nerve issue:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRGz4MerT27/?utm_medium=copy_link
His daugher has better calves than me. Genes.
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Is Dorian on TRT?
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Is Dorian on TRT?
Yes but he says he periodically doesn't take it. I guess you don't care about ego stuff much anymore when you are enlightened by psychedelics.
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Yes but he says he periodically doesn't take it. I guess you don't care about ego stuff much anymore when you are enlightened by psychedelics.
Eric Pepin + Marijuana + Psychedelics + TRT is a recipe for psychosis. I'm surprised we haven't seen a Connor Murphy turn for the worse from Dorian yet. He truly has an amazing mental/physical consitution of an ox.
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Eric Pepin + Marijuana + Psychedelics + TRT is a recipe for psychosis. I'm surprised we haven't seen a Connor Murphy turn for the worse from Dorian yet. He truly has an amazing mental/physical consitution of an ox.
I think Conor is definitely worse off, legitimate psychosis and or mania. Dorian hasn't really showed any signs of psychosis yet, then again he isn't taking DMT every 2 hours like Conor. I wonder if anyone in the world has taken psychedelics to the level of Conor, if what he claimed is true.
Dorian actually said Ayahuasca imparted a message to him. He didn't remember it at first, later it came back and it was, "stop poisoning yourself." Meaning stop using so many narcotics, stop smoking weed excessively. I wonder what Conor's message was. I saw it said he had a very bad first experience with Ayahuasca. His response was going all out with it.
I also read that traditionally Ayahuasca was a one shot deal, you took it once in your life. Alternately the medicine man/guide, or whatever they are called, took the medicine and came back with advice to whomever was seeking it.
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you talk like you pay attention to them :)
here is dorian today
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTAbZlKDwA6/
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Dorian is having too much sun. Ages him prematurely.
White skin is not made for alot of sun exposure.
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Dorian is having too much sun. Ages him prematurely.
White skin is not made for alot of sun exposure.
he looked 50 when he was 30, i actually think he looks his age now
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Sorry I don’t really pay attention to the goings-on of retired bodybuilders. Good thing we have people people like you that do
Said after you trolled the internet looking for photos of Dorian in his retirement. Try again piss ant.
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Said after you trolled the internet looking for photos of Dorian in his retirement. Try again piss ant.
Just about everything & everyone uposets BoB !.
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Sorry I don’t really pay attention to the goings-on of retired bodybuilders. Good thing we have people people like you that do
Nobody said you had to. Just maybe don't make comments when you don't know what you're talking about
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Bump.
Over 2 years already :'(
Did anyone follow Phil's diet advices and have sustained success?
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Bump.
Over 2 years already :'(
Did anyone follow Phil's diet advices and have sustained success?
They are all dead.
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They are all dead.
Has he Recovered yet ?
or is he still Dead
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Has he Recovered yet ?
or is he still Dead
He's still living rent free in Titus's head
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Happy Thanksgiving, Phil!
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late RIP
i stumbled across his training method early in my lifting career... I remember he had some weird supplement site and forums, seemed like a character.
huge dude, very impressive physique. not sure why he never "did damage" at the O... health issues or something?
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late RIP
i stumbled across his training method early in my lifting career... I remember he had some weird supplement site and forums, seemed like a character.
huge dude, very impressive physique. not sure why he never "did damage" at the O... health issues or something?
I believe he struggled to meet the conditioning standards of the day. Then shortly after turning pro he got busted distributing PEDs and did a few years in prison which is the reason he would give as to why he never kept going as a pro.
Never made a whole lotta sense to me, I don’t think the IFBB does a background check to get a pro card :D but maybe he didn’t wanna risk having to buy and keep anabolics while on probation.
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Pouring some LBA's over my turkey today in his honor
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He said he only had LBAs for protein when won the card. I don't think I even need to say anything about that.
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Has he Recovered yet ?
or is he still Dead
He won't recover!
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As I have said, Phil was my friend and I trained with him a good bit when he moved to Boyton Beach after merging his peptide company with another buddy. We lost touch a bit when he met a new love/gf and moved to Tampa and Atlanta. Caught up again a few times when he moved back to FL. Very humble and down to Earth in person. Had a short temper on the internet though. A lot of what he preached was basic common sense in the training field. Except people just were not ready to understand that it (training) was relatively simple and that the other two aspects (diet and recovery) were much more difficult. So instead of putting more energy into those areas, they instead fooled themselves into believing they needed to train even harder or longer or more frequently. Or use more drugs. Which eventually only held them back even more.
As his later training progressed more into kettle bells, bands, and the bosu ball, he still kept a decent physique on just legit TRT alone.
Diet wise, he was pretty smart, but again it was just common sense. (Plus he had to make money selling supps too).
Very saddening to watch his health slowly deteriorate over time. All the problems with his knees, quads, kidneys, eyes, etc... I can say that if 99% of the people on this board met him in person, he would not be close to being the person they thought he was.
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I remember when Hernon won a contest and Titus got upset
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I remember when Hernon won a contest and Titus got upset
I thought that was Prince that won and Titus had a meltdown.
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As I have said, Phil was my friend and I trained with him a good bit when he moved to Boyton Beach after merging his peptide company with another buddy. We lost touch a bit when he met a new love/gf and moved to Tampa and Atlanta. Caught up again a few times when he moved back to FL. Very humble and down to Earth in person. Had a short temper on the internet though. A lot of what he preached was basic common sense in the training field. Except people just were not ready to understand that it (training) was relatively simple and that the other two aspects (diet and training) were much more difficult. So instead of putting more energy into those areas, they instead fooled themselves into believing they needed to train even harder or longer or more frequently. Or use more drugs. Which eventually only held them back even more.
As his later training progressed more into kettle bells, bands, and the bosu ball, he still kept a decent physique on just legit TRT alone.
Diet wise, he was pretty smart, but again it was just common sense. (Plus he had to make money selling supps too).
Very saddening to watch his health slowly deteriorate over time. All the problems with his knees, quads, kidneys, eyes, etc... I can say that if 99% of the people on this board met him in person, he would not be close to being the person they thought he was.
He seemed like a decent guy from the videos he was releasing in his last years.
Weird but decent.
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He seemed like a decent guy from the videos he was releasing in his last years.
Weird but decent.
Normal doesn't cut it by today's standards. Really, it's all kind of boring but people are more interested in exotic techniques where you twist your elbows counter clockwise during a full moon when Mercury is in retrograde and train exactly between 7:02pm and 8:14pm.
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As I have said, Phil was my friend and I trained with him a good bit when he moved to Boyton Beach after merging his peptide company with another buddy. We lost touch a bit when he met a new love/gf and moved to Tampa and Atlanta. Caught up again a few times when he moved back to FL. Very humble and down to Earth in person. Had a short temper on the internet though. A lot of what he preached was basic common sense in the training field. Except people just were not ready to understand that it (training) was relatively simple and that the other two aspects (diet and training) were much more difficult. So instead of putting more energy into those areas, they instead fooled themselves into believing they needed to train even harder or longer or more frequently. Or use more drugs. Which eventually only held them back even more.
As his later training progressed more into kettle bells, bands, and the bosu ball, he still kept a decent physique on just legit TRT alone.
Diet wise, he was pretty smart, but again it was just common sense. (Plus he had to make money selling supps too).
Very saddening to watch his health slowly deteriorate over time. All the problems with his knees, quads, kidneys, eyes, etc... I can say that if 99% of the people on this board met him in person, he would not be close to being the person they thought he was.
Did he actually use Leo Costa's Titan Training program that he did videos for and endorsed?
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Normal doesn't cut it by today's standards. Really, it's all kind of boring but people are more interested in exotic techniques where you twist your elbows counter clockwise during a full moon when Mercury is in retrograde and train exactly between 7:02pm and 8:14pm.
I think you’re underselling it…Phil’s training methods were and are unlike anything else I’ve ever seen. He didn’t push for any weird techniques like Charles Glass but I still marvel at the elegant simplicity of the programming he sent me
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Did he actually use Leo Costa's Titan Training program that he did videos for and endorsed?
As you quoted Lurkers post - I got to see / read it.
I have to say it's a Fine post to a friend - Shows he can be decent at Times.
Yep, is very sad & painful to watch a Good friend go downhill by his own doing
& Fuck all you can do to help or stop it.
I miss my good friend every day :'(
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i liked his diet principles...fruit for carbs.... the training, eh...i think it mostly negatives?... one of the first mass monsters imo.
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i liked his diet principles...fruit for carbs.... the training, eh...i think it mostly negatives?... one of the first mass monsters imo.
His training was high frequency, basic lifts to positive failure.
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Did he actually use Leo Costa's Titan Training program that he did videos for and endorsed?
I have no idea what (or even who) Leo Costa is or his training program was like. So I can't say. Can you link it and I can compare?
But Phil's was just so simple and straight forward. It was really common sense. I posted it on here word for word of the entire email he sent out. Including what basic supps to take and diet to follow.
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I think you’re underselling it…Phil’s training methods were and are unlike anything else I’ve ever seen. He didn’t push for any weird techniques like Charles Glass but I still marvel at the elegant simplicity of the programming he sent me
That's the point. It was so simple that people can't believe it or just want to believe there is something else to it that isn't being shared.
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As you quoted Lurkers post - I got to see / read it.
I have to say it's a Fine post to a friend - Shows he can be decent at Times.
Yep, is very sad & painful to watch a Good friend go downhill by his own doing
& Fuck all you can do to help or stop it.
I miss my good friend every day :'(
You read everything I post you lying fuck.
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i liked his diet principles...fruit for carbs.... the training, eh...i think it mostly negatives?... one of the first mass monsters imo.
Phil never advocated negatives.
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I have no idea what (or even who) Leo Costa is or his training program was like. So I can't say. Can you link it and I can compare?
But Phil's was just so simple and straight forward. It was really common sense. I posted it on here word for word of the entire email he sent out. Including what basic supps to take and diet to follow.
Leo Costa wrote Bulgarian Powerburst Training, Big Beyond Belief and Titan Training System back in the 90's. Phil was in a video that came with the system and claimed he claimed that way as a pro.
https://www.scribd.com/document/477838007/Titan-Training-Serious-Growth-IV-pdf
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Leo Costa wrote Bulgarian Powerburst Training, Big Beyond Belief and Titan Training System back in the 90's. Phil was in a video that came with the system and claimed he claimed that way as a pro.
https://www.scribd.com/document/477838007/Titan-Training-Serious-Growth-IV-pdf
that site has it's pages locked it seems. I can't view them.
But the training and diet that phil sold online is listed word for word on this thread :
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=674217.0
Since you are familiar with the other Titan system you can look and compare? But until Phil moved away from the weights and into bands and the bosu ball, he still followed that training program he sold. Now there were times we would just volume train for the pump, but that wasn't a change up or because it was better, but simply because we were having a great time in the gym talking shit with each other and laughing about things.
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Leo Costa wrote Bulgarian Powerburst Training, Big Beyond Belief and Titan Training System back in the 90's. Phil was in a video that came with the system and claimed he claimed that way as a pro.
https://www.scribd.com/document/477838007/Titan-Training-Serious-Growth-IV-pdf
Was Leo Bulgarian? ;D
Amazing what crap they'll write & folk believe ::)
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I purchased serious growth books and big beyond belief books back in the early 90s, serious growth was some good stuff, bbb not so much, imo
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I purchased serious growth books and big beyond belief books back in the early 90s, serious growth was some good stuff, bbb not so much, imo
I thought BBB was the best program ever.
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that site has it's pages locked it seems. I can't view them.
But the training and diet that phil sold online is listed word for word on this thread :
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=674217.0
Since you are familiar with the other Titan system you can look and compare? But until Phil moved away from the weights and into bands and the bosu ball, he still followed that training program he sold. Now there were times we would just volume train for the pump, but that wasn't a change up or because it was better, but simply because we were having a great time in the gym talking shit with each other and laughing about things.
No, they look different. Titan Training was mostly forced reps needing a training partner.
FYI, here is the scribd downloader so you can open any document on scribd.
https://scribd.vdownloaders.com/
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I thought BBB was the best program ever.
If anything, these stuff made you think, tbh it was just all crazy ideas from Leo Costa and Tom Platz, the best gains i ever had was on serious growth, a particular routine that had me train twice a day, I believe 6 days a week, but I was a teenager back then, I believe 16 yrs old, idk if an adult could handle all that work, it would be over training
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If anything, these stuff made you think, tbh it was just all crazy ideas from Leo Costa and Tom Platz, the best gains i ever had was on serious growth, a particular routine that had me train twice a day, I believe 6 days a week, but I was a teenager back then, I believe 16 yrs old, idk if an adult could handle all that work, it would be over training
I just cut the volume in half. Still a lot of volume over the course of a week.
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I just cut the volume in half. Still a lot of volume over the course of a week.
At the end of the day, all that matters is progressive overload, idc if it's from high volume or high intensity, without progressive overload there's no muscle growth
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At the end of the day, all that matters is progressive overload, idc if it's from high volume or high intensity, without progressive overload there's no muscle growth
Vince Taylor and Paul Dillett would like a word with you. ;D
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Vince Taylor and Paul Dillett would like a word with you. ;D
Lol, the irony is Paul Dillet was very strong, I have seen pics of him curling 225 lbs
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I think the Bulgarian Burst routine was the first one I did. I was like 14. It was ridiculous, it was mostly baloney. What I do remember was writing down in my journal "bench press: 45lbs x 5." I was motivated though, I got up early before school and had a workout, then another one after school if I remember correctly. Then I got into Mentzer and Yates and it was a much more realistic routine.
There is sone documentary about the Bulgarians and I noticed the dejected and depressed look on all those guys faces. Supposedly, due to the beginnings of testing, they crammed a whole cycles worth of steroids into just a couple of days, like 1500mg of dbol a day. Don't quote me on that but it was a lot. I bought those Bulgarian early creatines too. It was a vial of of liquid and there was some powder in the cap which you pressed so the powder dropped into the liquid. Creatine Phosphate.
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I think the Bulgarian Burst routine was the first one I did. I was like 14. It was ridiculous, it was mostly baloney. What I do remember was writing down in my journal "bench press: 45lbs x 5." I was motivated though, I got up early before school and had a workout, then another one after school if I remember correctly. Then I got into Mentzer and Yates and it was a much more realistic routine.
There is sone documentary about the Bulgarians and I noticed the dejected and depressed look on all those guys faces. Supposedly, due to the beginnings of testing, they crammed a whole cycles worth of steroids into just a couple of days, like 1500mg of dbol a day. Don't quote me on that but it was a lot. I bought those Bulgarian early creatines too. It was a vial of of liquid and there was some powder in the cap which you pressed so the powder dropped into the liquid. Creatine Phosphate.
They were dejected and depressed because they lived in Bulgaria.
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They were dejected and depressed because they lived in Bulgaria.
:D