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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on February 05, 2022, 04:23:59 PM
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Just saw it on Bob Chicks FB
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TOM PRINCE passed away early this morning with his wife Becca at his side. Tommy Boy fought a great fight for many years, battling a host of health issues but ultimately cancer was too much. He was a champion, and one of my closest friends, Tom and Becca are Godfather and Godmother to our daughter Milania. Tommy and I trained together as IFBB Pros , but spent more time talking about life, our kids ( tom has two from a previous marraige) and philosophy, his ever present Masters in English Lit always present. He'll always be remembered as a great husband to Bec, father , uncle, brother and friend. Rest in peace my brother.
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Damn thar sux.
RIP
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Damn. RIP.
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Wow R.I.P.
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PIP
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Whoa. Unexpected. In that early 2004 issue of FLEX Magazine when Tom talked about how he needed a kidney transplant, he said that he expected to live a below average lifespan, but maybe live to around age 65.
As it is, he only turned 52 this past October.
RIP. :(
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:)
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Whoa. Unexpected. In that early 2004 issue of FLEX Magazine when Tom talked about how he needed a kidney transplant, he said that he expected to live a below average lifespan, but maybe live to around age 65.
As it is, he only turned 52 this past October.
RIP. :(
Wow, is that all? I have an office manager that’s on her second kidney transplant. First one lasted 28 years and the expectancy is usually 20 on one kidney. Sucks for him.
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Pip
Another body to show to romano
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I trained next to prince many years ago(22 years) in Florida. He was huge. Was repping 495 flat bench. Sitting on bench about 8’ from me his hams hanging were crazy as were his forearms and arms. Spoke with him for 5-10 minutes. Was a very nice guy.
RIP you big freak.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CZnZVPBrSUa/ .
Seems like it was a known thing, Bob mentions the wife being with him and Tom fighting it, etc.... in the above.
RIP.
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Damn he looked rough ...was it cancer? :o
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Wow, is that all? I have an office manager that’s on her second kidney transplant. First one lasted 28 years and the expectancy is usually 20 on one kidney. Sucks for him.
Tom's story is a bit complicated, although he is much luckier than Luke Wood he got a kidney transplant in August of 2011, and died of an infection something like three days later - Luke died around September 1st of 2011, and was only 35 years old.
I can't recall exactly what had happened with Tom...but his transplant apparently worked for many years...and then he may have required dialysis again. He may have been on dialysis in recent years.
Tom also did a good job staying SMALL before he died [and I mean that in a GOOD WAY]. Had he decided to be 300-lb like Nasser El Sonbaty, he could have died five years younger...like Nasser El Sonbaty...or even younger than that.
So that was good of him. I still expected him to live longer than he did...it seemed to me that he was taking his health seriously, and doing what he needed to, to make the most of his kidney issues. Here was his Facebook page - although it looks to me that the RIP threads are not showing up, based on the privacy settings of Tom's page:
https://www.facebook.com/thomas.n.prince
And here is Bob Cicherillo's fan page, where he posted about Tom's passing:
https://www.facebook.com/Bob-Cicherillo-Fan-Page-366127820083297/
RXMuscle also has a tribute thread up for Tom:
https://www.facebook.com/rxmuscledotcom
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Damn he looked rough ...was it cancer? :o
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Thats what Chic said...
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Goodmorrow,
We're all a-buzz here at the GetBig offices. I was just talking to John in accounting and he stated he had spent the day with Tom a few months ago. He wasn't doing great but he was however doing.
His diet had changed and John told me roughly this was what Tom ate daily:
7am: Fresh squeezed glass of orange juice, half a cup of oatmeal.
12pm: Waldorf salad, glass of unsweetened tea.
5pm: smoked duck or fillet (depends what he had in the fidge), side of sprouts lightly glazed with almond oil.
9pm: small box of raisins.
10pm: chocolate or vanilla Boost.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Goodmorrow,
We're all a-buzz here at the GetBig offices. I was just talking to John in accounting and he stated he had spent the day with Tom a few months ago. He wasn't doing great but he was however doing.
His diet had changed and John told me roughly this was what Tom ate daily:
7am: Fresh squeezed glass of orange juice, half a cup of oatmeal.
12pm: Waldorf salad, glass of unsweetened tea.
5pm: smoked duck or fillet (depends what he had in the fidge), side of sprouts lightly glazed with almond oil.
9pm: small box of raisins.
10pm: chocolate or vanilla Boost.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucks sake
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Fucks sake
Yeah, I know. There are very few things that I dislike about Getbig, but hijacking a death thread is one of those things.
I do expect the normal discussion about abusing things and the correlation with bodybuilder mortality / young mortality to come up...but that's par for the course. It's sad when other things carry on, even in death threads.
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Yeah, I know. There are very few things that I dislike about Getbig, but hijacking a death thread is one of those things.
I do expect the normal discussion about abusing things and the correlation with bodybuilder mortality / young mortality to come up...but that's par for the course. It's sad when other things carry on, even in death threads.
Well this was cancer, not the usual suspect of steroids.
RIP.
He was smart a long time ago to slim down.
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Fucks sake
What is your problem? Tom was on the straight and arrow with diet and keeping healthy. I met Tom on two different occasions and I will tell you this, he had turned a new leaf in his present life. I'm not going to speak ill of Tom but he was much different when he competed. Maybe because he was younger, maybe the contest prep, maybe???? But what counts is that Tom turned a negative into a positive. He was much happier and healthier...mind and body when I met him three years ago.
For his diet, this was what I was told. The diet of bodybuilders interests me. Now I understand that he would change things up...but he would always eat a salad everyday. And he loved raisins...that was his dessert.
Stop trying to be a Karen and create drama where there is none.
GOOD DAY SIR!!!
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Well this was cancer, not the usual suspect of steroids.
RIP.
He was smart a long time ago to slim down.
Yes he was. I'm glad that he did that. It probably bought him some years.
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Fucks sake
Lol, no lie. This guy is a fucking clown. I hate his posts.
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Was he coached by Chad No kidney Nicols?
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why are you more precious about the dead than the living ?
Which living person don't I respect?
I think in general, most people pay respectful tributes to the dead. And being a bodybuilder death, it wouldn't surprise me if the discussion went in a direction of talking about certain points that tend to come up at such times. I just think that now is not the place to be joking. But maybe that's wrong - but perhaps it is right to say that any jokes in a thread about a person dying should especially be funny. Otherwise, they just stand out as being in poor taste.
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Well I bet he's under 250 lbs. now...And with that I can say thus-
He was a fool when young but now he rests, hopefully in the hope of something more than what once was. Any here that doubt the sincerity of my words do not know me at all.
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Was he coached by Chad No kidney Nicols?
Yes.
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:)
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Tom died a changed man. Financially him and his wife Becca ran a successful property management company and were doing very well financially. Competitive bodybuilding destroyed him internally. Once the gorilla suit was gone he really seemed at peace. RIP Tom, one of the strongest bodybuilders of all time.
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I saw Tom at one of the Southern tates contest in Lauderdale just walking around...he had on a hoodie and black spandex tights....looked like a fucking monster....like Rob said his hamtrings through the spandex hung down to his upper calves.
A true freak.
RIP
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What is your problem? Tom was on the straight and arrow with diet and keeping healthy. I met Tom on two different occasions and I will tell you this, he had turned a new leaf in his present life. I'm not going to speak ill of Tom but he was much different when he competed. Maybe because he was younger, maybe the contest prep, maybe???? But what counts is that Tom turned a negative into a positive. He was much happier and healthier...mind and body when I met him three years ago.
For his diet, this was what I was told. The diet of bodybuilders interests me. Now I understand that he would change things up...but he would always eat a salad everyday. And he loved raisins...that was his dessert.
Stop trying to be a Karen and create drama where there is none.
GOOD DAY SIR!!!
ASSHOLE
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That's why I prefer to stay natty.
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ASSHOLE
Asshole?
Ok.
I'm an Asshole for saying nice things about Tom Prince.
And...
YOU'RE NEXT YOU OLD PATHECTIC DRIED UP BENZO ADDICTED PRUNE.
GODSPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Asshole?
Ok.
I'm an Asshole for saying nice things about Tom Prince.
And...
YOU'RE NEXT YOU OLD PATHECTIC DRIED UP BENZO ADDICTED PRUNE.
GODSPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I call `em as I ee `em CHIEF ......get it Alex....CHIEF?
You said nothing nice,you said something stupid per usual fuckface.
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Tom helped me get my business going back in the Muscle Mayhem days...RIP brother
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should have got his pro card a year earlier at long beach over titus who received a gift. Venice farked him up more than anything, a lot of people have picked up bad habits for life living the dream there. RIP
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RIP :'(
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RIP.
Great build.
It was awesome when he posted here. I remember someone pretending to be Titus sent Tom into a tirade.
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RIP.
Great build.
It was awesome when he posted here. I remember someone pretending to be Titus sent Tom into a tirade.
Laughing so hard right now. Wish I had been a regular back then.
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when was he diagnosed with cancer? his kidney problem didn't kill him?
the mayhem/getbig feud was awesome back in the early 2000's especially tom and mcfarland
tom could dish it out and take it, i hope he is at peace
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Tom helped me get my business going back in the Muscle Mayhem days...RIP brother
Oh yeah, of course.
LOL
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Laughing so hard right now. Wish I had been a regular back then.
It was GREAT.
Tom went full scorched earth on “Titus”, referencing a bunch of insider dirt (none of which I can remember). He wrote essays…. And the best part was someone told Tom it wasn’t Titus the board started in on Prince for being suckered he started deleting the posts but of course people had saved them….
Another great Prince moment was him calling out Shawn Ray and he demanded a response from Shawn and said something along the lines of it’s arguable if Ray was a better bodybuilder but there was zero chance he was a better writer than Tom and he reminded everyone he had his Masters in English lit from Miami. For whatever reason I found that so funny
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PIP
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Tom helped me get my business going back in the Muscle Mayhem days...RIP brother
LOL, of course he did. So did John meadows.
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I did meet him once...
RIP.
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Yeah, I know. There are very few things that I dislike about Getbig, but hijacking a death thread is one of those things.
You must have forgotten how you acted when the news of the death of Pellius was breaking.
Matt Cawk = Hypocrite
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Well, hope it was all worth it for him. Many years of substance abuse. According to wikipedia he was 5 ft 8 and 312 lbs off season. (= 141 kilos). He looked near death in that interview years ago.
Safe bet that many others from the nineties and on will follow. "Whatever it takes"....
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Tom Prince definitely made an impact in 1997 thru 2002. RIP, Here are some past notes from Tom and others, from the archives
Tom Prince from 2002 - some notes from that year
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From Tom Prince regarding Chad and Kurt:
I'd rather not compare Chad and Kurt. I can tell you exactly what I do like about Chad, however. Chad is one of my very best friends, and I could not possibly speak highly ENOUGH of him. He doesn't try to out smart or out think basic nutrition. Everything he does, diet-wise, is done in the most simple way possible. Chad's brilliance is in that simplicity. In other words, he's not trying to dazzle you with all this fancy stuff. He's just trying to get you from point A, to point B. He got me to stop eating so ridiculously clean in the off-season because I was stuck at 278 pounds, and by eating more restaurant food and junk food, my weight shot up to 305 in 8 months. My percentage of bodyfat went from 8.5 to 9.0. with that extra 28 pounds.
Chad's helped with everything, not just my diet. Dealing with Weider and getting my contract, it helped tremendously to have him to talk to about he and Kim got her contract. When I wanted to write for "Flex" and "Muscle and Fitness", Chad let me interview HIM, for my first attempt at an article (Flex magazine bought the article, and printed it in Sept or Oct of 1998.. was titled "Chad and his Lads"). I used to be a wicked partier, and it was Chad that got me to stop. I could go on and on.. but I'll spare you with the dull details. Suffice it to say, that I would recommend him to ANYONE. Peace-tp
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Regarding Insulin
I have to tell you, in all honesty, that I've never played around with the Insulin. The only time I use it is on the Wednesday before a show, with my first meal of my carb up. 15 units of Insulin-R, and 200 grams of carbs. Simple carbs seem to work better when carbing up AND using Insulin. For all the other meals of my 3 day carb up, I eat complex carbs (rice-potatoes-oatmeal), and do NOT use the Insulin again. I never use it in the off-season.
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Re: Do you need insulin to make GH work
Well that's refreshing to hear. So what's all this noise about "needing" it in order to make the GH work, or to prevent you from becoming hypoglycemic? Your thoughts please. I really don't think you do need it to make the GH work. I've had the GH work very well for me. In fact, I can't imagine using the Insulin with the GH. I already stay so ridiculously full, there's no where for more carbs to go!!!
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Question: What is it like being 300lbs, does it restrict you in everyday life (ie: walking up stairs etc)? Ive heard some people (Dorian Yates, Flex Wheeler) say that they didnt feel too good at that weight! Thanks TP (now does that stand for Tom Prince or Total Package?!?!?!?!?!)
Answer: Yeah.. TP stands for Tom Prince. What's it like being 300 pounds? I'm actually very comfortable at that weight. I'm normally somewhere between 305-308 in the off-season, and I'm told that I carry it very well (meaning: No arms way out to the sides doing a perpetual lat spread, I can walk like a normal human being, etc.). Only down side is clothes shopping and sleeping. Whichever side I fall asleep on goes numb in about an hour, so I toss and turn all night. Clothes are almost never off the rack.. not that I buy or wear a ton of really nice clothes. Most of my stuff, obviously, is gym wear.
There's something about being strong at 300 pounds that makes you feel great, too. Not sure if that's just my own ego or what.. but I like it. After all, I am doing this sport for only ONE real reason.. because I LIKE IT. Your right, that was a weird question, and I hope I answered what you were looking for. LOLOL.-tp
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Question: Concerning the NOC 2001. If it's not too much trouble, could you go into this in more detail. Specifically, what your cutting diet looks like now and what you were doing wrong before. i.e. where you eating too many cals, carbs, not enough cardio, were you overdoing the protein etc... Also, maybe if possible mention some OTC supplements you like when cutting.
Answer: "The best thing, however, was FINALLY nailing my diet right. It's taken a long-a$$ time to get it right" What worked right at the 2001 NOC for me may not help you at all. I've always been an extreme perfectionist and very meticulous when it comes to my dieting, training, and supplementation. While this has helped me assist other athletes as they prepare for shows, it has actually, more often than not, HURT me.
I have a bad tendency to want to overdue EVERYTHING, training-wise. I like using analogies from other sports, and I'll give you the one I use MOST OFTEN in describing my own personal battles with dieting: If you take 100 baseball players, and give them all an extra half an hour of batting practice every day, 99 of them will be better hitters. But, for a dieting bodybuilder, an extra 30 minutes of cardio, or an extra 30 minutes of training can be DETRIMENTAL. Now, add to that my constant drive to get leaner and leaner, and what you have (in me, that is), is a guy who's actually determined as hell to run himself into the ground with overtraining and eating too little.
It's an over-achiever's mentality to constantly try an improve. Most professional athlete's are extremely driven and motivated people. Because of the very nature of a bodybuilding diet, it's actually EASY to over-train, and over-diet. I would offer to you that a triathlete trains harder, year-round, than a professional bodybuilder does. However, even in extreme activity like that of a competing triathlete, they get to EAT as much as they want. Thus, always fueling every athlete's strongest muscle.. HIS MIND. I realize most athlete's aren't geniuses, but the motivation, drive, and determination all comes from your brain. Take away the brain's fuel (carbs), and you get an athlete that may make mistakes because he's not thinking to clearly.
ALL OF THIS WAS MY PROBLEM.
Chris Cormier likes to give me a hard time and say "TP, don't hit the panic button!" Meaning, just relax, and go about your business. So, for the NOC last year, I kept my cardio at a somewhat normal level: I started at 20 minutes a day at 16 weeks out, and worked my way up to 40 minutes, TWICE a day. This is WAY less than the 2 hours a day I used to do. I also never let my carb intake go below 250 grams a day. I had been going down to 125-150 grams in the past, which at an in shape 250+, is ridiculously too low.
Finally, I leaned on Chad Nicholls, my nutritionist and one of my best friends, ALOT. I had always listened, but last year, I let him dictate everything I did with regards to my diet. Chad let me just be an athlete who had to listen, and I let him be the coach. It was that simple. Basically, to let Chad be great FOR ME, I had to get out of the way, and let him do his job.
As far as cutting supplements: I used mostly Clenbuterol (2 days on-1 day off), and used Ephedrine on the one day off between Clen days. I added in my Cytomel (thyroid drug) at 10 weeks out, and kept the dose really low, never going above 50 mcg.'s/day.
I would NOT recommend using Cytomel or any thyroid drug if you are NOT going to compete. Anyone who reads this, please be careful. Peace-tom prince
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Question: I can definitely understand the Clen and Cytomel, as both of those are almost essentials pre-contest nowadays, but what about caffeine? Don't most Ephedrine supps come with caffeine added to it? Also, what always boggles me is what a pro bodybuilder eats post-workout while dieting. I always read in FLEX (Chris Aceto's articles) that you should consume large amounts of simple carbs post-workout. To spike insulin, etc. Well, what do you do when you're dieting and yu can't have simple sugars, like bagels, honey, or any other refined sugars or simple carbs. Do you eat whole food? What exactly do you eat post-workout while dieting?
Answer: While dieting, I eat complex carbs only. Potatoes, oatmeal, and rice. There are other complex carbs, obviously, but those are what I like, and what I stick with. I try my best to stay away from simple carbs (fruit, etc.) while dieting. My own personal belief (again, I'm not putting down or arguing with anyone else's views on dieting) is that you want to AVOID spiking your insulin levels while dieting. A more consistent blood sugar level will make you feel better. Simple carbs get in you fast, and out of you fast, and your moods are more likely to swing all over the place as the simple carbs are burned up. Dieting is hard enough without having your energy levels and moods go way up and down because you blood sugar gets too low and too high 6 times during the day.
Yes, many ephedrine products have caffeine in them. But Clenbuterol doesn't. So I take 400 mg's of caffeine with my Clenbuterol. When you used to be able to buy ephedrine easily, I'd take my caffeine with the ephedrine, rather than buying a product that had both already mixed in it. Why? No reason, just the old school way of doing it
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Question: Why did you take nude pics?
Answer: OK, the nude pics first: I took those pics after the 1997 Nationals (when I won). I had taken off 3 months from managing the gym I worked at, and by the time the show came and went, my wife and I had $300 in the bank.. TOTAL. The owner of the magazine called me, and made a decent offer for the pics.. around $1,500, if I remember right. I said "No.. but I will do for $3000. And I have some stipulations. One, NO ONE else will be in the photos with me. Second, the pictures MUST be tasteful. Third, and this one's major.. I will in no way be touching myself or doing anything other than tastefully posing for the camera. In other words (and I told him this), if my mom and grandma would be embarrassed to see it, it's OUT. Period." Obviously, the guy agreed to take them. Now, if it weren't for me NEEDING the money so bad, would I have done the pics? NO. But, I did.. so I did. I wish they weren't out there, but I'm not embarrassed about them either. Just so you know, I did sign with Weider soon after, but I didn't get my first check from them for a few months. It's not like you turn pro and a bag of money drops in your lap.
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Question: How did you feel you looked at the 2001 NOC?
Thanks for saying I looked good at the NOC last year. I was thrilled with how I looked. The Olympia, ended up being a nightmare, but not for any reason other than me throwing up for a week (which stopped on the Wednesday night before the show), which left me drained and feeling like utter dogsh*t. I started carbing up way late, and never got rid of the water. I had another 5 pounds of water to lose. I went to England a week later for the first grand prix show, lost that 5 pounds, plus an extra 2 that flattened me out some, and beat 2 guys that beat me at the Olympia (Titus and Gunther). The whole point of me going to England was ONLY to see if I repeated the exact same plan as I used at the 2001 NOC, would it work again. It did (though like I said, I pushed it a little too far).
Just so we are clear, I in no way blame ANYONE for me being off at the Olympia. That's 100% all on me. Chad did his best to fix the problem, but he isn't God who can fix me having a bad stomach flu. The thing about excuses is, that the judges don't care. If you're off, you're off. One or two of my fellow pro's must keep a book of 1001 excuses next to the phone, so they immediately have someone or something to blame. That just isn't me. So, I'm doing the new Texas Pro show on May 4th, and the NOC again, on May 18th.
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"Where are the bodies?"
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Eating meat even with cancer bad idea
Rest in peace , back in mid 90s he was on top with dorian and craig
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Rest in peace , back in mid 90s he was on top with dorian and craig
not quite
he sacrificed a lot just to be 3rd at the 2001 night of champions and i think 16th at the olympia
that's one reason i always felt bad for him, at least guys that died premature like nasser got to the elite level
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RIP The Thing
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You must have forgotten how you acted when the news of the death of Pellius was breaking.
Matt Cawk = Hypocrite
^THIS^
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rip
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You must have forgotten how you acted when the news of the death of Pellius was breaking.
Matt Cawk = Hypocrite
Whoa...hang on a second with this one. Keep in mind that the obituary of pellius was from a "Submit Your Own" obituary website, and it was removed within 24 hours of it being posted here. On top of that, I was threatened in PM over questioning the validity of that obituary, which was questioned by many others, including Ron. On top of that, this was within one week of the fake death / fake news of Victor Richards passing away, and also consider that I cross-checked with every single relative of pellius that I could on Facebook, and not one of them mentioned his passing. Also, pellius had his Facebook account settings so that any "RIP" posts on Facebook would have showed up on his Facebook page, and yet there were none to be seen. On top of that, pellius was only 62 years old and in great shape - who would suspect that he would have died that young? But after the fake news Victor Richards death notice, I felt it was important to scrutinize death claims, so that Getbig isn't a part of the fake news circulation bandwagon.
I felt that was reasonable - and I would have stopped questioning it if anyone had posted actual evidence that he died. And in the end - that's what happened: more than one board member called the medical examiner in Hawaii to confirm that pellius had died.
I don't think it's unreasonable to verify whether or not a death is a true claim. In this case, it was Bob Cicherillo who posted the original death notice, and Bob is a credible source, as he was good friends with Tom, and is still good friends with Tom's wife, Rebecca. I sort of wished this death wasn't true, as Tom was only 52, but ultimately, I didn't question this death.
I think the main reason why I questioned the death of pellius to the degree I did was that I just didn't believe it / didn't want it to be true [and it seemed unlikely given that by all rights, he looked healthy], and the Victor Richards death hoax had JUST happened...and with Josh threatening me over questioning it...that's not how I would react if someone merely questioned an unverified death.
Had the obituary been from a source that wasn't removed so quickly, I would have never questioned the death of pellius.
RIP Tom.
RIP pellius.
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Well, hope it was all worth it for him. Many years of substance abuse. According to wikipedia he was 5 ft 8 and 312 lbs off season. (= 141 kilos). He looked near death in that interview years ago.
Safe bet that many others from the nineties and on will follow. "Whatever it takes"....
That goes back to what I said about Jon Andersen in Gym-rat's post - here's a guy who is 50 years old, and as jacked as you can get. And the notion is "whatever it takes!", "hard work, baby!", etc. While I do admire the work bodybuilders put in, to be that size does not come without risk, and I think it's important to be mindful of those risks, balance competitive bodybuilding with health, and no when to put it away, among other things.
Tom did the right thing to quit when he did [even though he was forced to], and largely stay slimmed down [although it seems that he got braver here and there with his dosages, and did some cycles even after his kidney problems - but that was not the majority of the time]. He was very thin in his later years - but that was for the best.
Does anyone know if Tom's kidney transplant failed, causing him to need to go on dialysis again? That's what I had heard.
Here's a [now almost classic] interview with Tom Prince from RXMuscle - if I recall correctly, in this interview, Tom stated that he deadlifted 700x3, among other feats of strength:
http://rxmuscle.com/strongman/rx-power-hour/2997-jefftheproducer-rxpowerhour.html
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Question: I can definitely understand the Clen and Cytomel, as both of those are almost essentials pre-contest nowadays, but what about caffeine? Don't most Ephedrine supps come with caffeine added to it?
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Is Cytomel particularly toxic? Is it safe, relative to other cutting agents?
I know Tom got a lot of flak for saying that Advil caused his kidney problems, but if he used the amounts of Advil that he did...it would make sense that it contributed to his problems, given the renal toxicity profile it has. I don't think that was completely off. Someone said they saw Tom Prince at an expo...possibly around 1999...and he was so huge it didn't even make sense.
I didn't realize that Tom was at one point the 4th fastest at the 100m breaststroke in the country. He said that in that RXMuscle radio interview that I posted above. I actually don't recall that he was a swimmer.
In the photoshoot below, Tom was 312-lb. That is a massive body weight for 5'7.5". No wonder someone would think he was so big that looking at him didn't make sense:
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^ In that interview, Tom said he had a child when he was in college...I believe he had two kids with his ex-wife, so he must have one child who is at least 30 now. That's sad for them, for this to happen.
In the photos below, Tom was supposedly on very little gear at the time - he was definitely a genetic freak. I think he was 22-23 in this photos [taken in 1992, I believe]. Form the Web Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011007174941/http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/index6.html#Pbuilders
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RIP TOM
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Is Cytomel particularly toxic? Is it safe, relative to other cutting agents?
I know Tom got a lot of flak for saying that Advil caused his kidney problems, but if he used the amounts of Advil that he did...it would make sense that it contributed to his problems, given the renal toxicity profile it has. I don't think that was completely off. Someone said they saw Tom Prince at an expo...possibly around 1999...and he was so huge it didn't even make sense.
the two primary causes of chronic kidney failure are high blood pressure and uncontrolled diabetes. NSAIDS can trigger acute episodes and worsen existing chronic kidney disease but arent strongly associated with new-onset chronic disease. It may well have been a factor but his high bodyweight and gh-induced diabetes likely were the causative agents here.
blaming it on Advil is just a way of saving face, i assume
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That goes back to what I said about Jon Andersen in Gym-rat's post - here's a guy who is 50 years old, and as jacked as you can get. And the notion is "whatever it takes!", "hard work, baby!", etc. While I do admire the work bodybuilders put in, to be that size does not come without risk, and I think it's important to be mindful of those risks, balance competitive bodybuilding with health, and no when to put it away, among other things.
Tom did the right thing to quit when he did [even though he was forced to], and largely stay slimmed down [although it seems that he got braver here and there with his dosages, and did some cycles even after his kidney problems - but that was not the majority of the time]. He was very thin in his later years - but that was for the best.
Does anyone know if Tom's kidney transplant failed, causing him to need to go on dialysis again? That's what I had heard.
Here's a [now almost classic] interview with Tom Prince from RXMuscle - if I recall correctly, in this interview, Tom stated that he deadlifted 700x3, among other feats of strength:
http://rxmuscle.com/strongman/rx-power-hour/2997-jefftheproducer-rxpowerhour.html
Nineties (or today's) builders do not work or train harder than Arnold or his contemporaries.
They just do more (and different sorts of) gear.
Tom Prince said in an interview that bodybuilding for him was not a full time job. In his prime he trained for 1 hour per day, and that was it.
(http://)
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Tom resembled Paul de Mayo imo:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z8mN5iWcrNg/maxresdefault.jpg)
Had been looking ill for many years:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/soVhXHMd_ikiYWK9EjWtKmi-WtquOVbGATOsI67lpvE.jpg?auto=webp&s=cb8810713b1fcb544d6d563136709304e3336f83)
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:'(
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Nineties (or today's) builders do not work or train harder than Arnold or his contemporaries.
They just do more (and different sorts of) gear.
Tom Prince said in an interview that bodybuilding for him was not a full time job. In his prime he trained for 1 hour per day, and that was it.
(http://)
Training is the easiest part. Withstanding the side effects of all the drugs and ESPECIALLY the diet is much more difficult. As you mention, training is a couple hours each week .. staying on a diet is 24/7
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Nineties (or today's) builders do not work or train harder than Arnold or his contemporaries.
They just do more (and different sorts of) gear.
Tom Prince said in an interview that bodybuilding for him was not a full time job. In his prime he trained for 1 hour per day, and that was it.
(http://)
Source?
Tom said (on here or mayhem) that in order to become a pro you couldn’t miss a work out or meal over the course of a year. And that the gym was a full time job.
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RIP Tom.
Sad News
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PIP
I remember when he posted her many years ago.
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Saddened by his passing ...
I remember back in the day him making fun of Gym rats and saying something like he couldn't weight below 200 lbs even if he wanted to ....
Ever since, Every time I think of Karma , I cant help but remember his particular outcome in life .... And to be in dyalisys for nearly 20 years in damn impressive if you think about it .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH RIP
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Source?
Tom said (on here or mayhem) that in order to become a pro you couldn’t miss a work out or meal over the course of a year. And that the gym was a full time job.
Dorian trained 45 mins 4 days a week, he was even more part time than Tom
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Saddened by his passing ...
I remember back in the day him making fun of Gym rats and saying something like he couldn't weight below 200 lbs even if he wanted to ....
Ever since, Every time I think of Karma , I cant help but remember his particular outcome in life .... And to be in dyalisys for nearly 20 years in damn impressive if you think about it .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH RIP
I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If you've ever known anyone on dialysis. It sucks the soul out of most people. Ive seen people on dialysis lose the will to live.
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Dorian trained 45 mins 4 days a week, he was even more part time than Tom
Dorian is an all time great. He’s always preached HIT.
I may be 100% wrong but I thought Tom was about maximum weight for maximum reps/sets.
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Dorian trained 45 mins 4 days a week, he was even more part time than Tom
Somewhere, Kevin Levrone is reading your post and thinking... "Did somebody say part time bodybuilder?"
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I guess I'll drop a few lines about Tom.
I actually met Tom back in MuscleMayhem. He was a moderator there and I honestly felt that he was a bit of a fucking asshole at the time. He would drop very long replies and be pretty condescending to members, while also banning people he just didn't like. We bumped heads and I told him to go fuck himself a few times on the open forum. He didn't like me on MuscleMayhem, because we had a number of mutual friends on the pro circuit, which made it difficult to just ban me without people hearing about how much of a sensitive Prince'ss he was. Of course, the fact that we both had tempers didn't help the cause.
Then, some time later, Craig Titus and I started bumping heads on that very forum. Titus would pass himself off as a "tough" guy that would beat the shit out of someone if they got in his face. Well, I offered to publicly fight him at Victor Martinez's gym in NYC (this was back around 2002-2003). I gave Craig dates and times and Victor offered to make it happen for the two of us (Titus was well aware). Craig backed out (publicly - with Victor confirming it). After this issue with Titus, Tom sent me a message on MuscleMayhem stating how much he hated Titus as a person and felt that Titus was the scum of the earth for a multitude of reasons. As a result of that, Tom extended his respect and said that any enemy of that asshole was a friend to him. Following that point, Tom and I got along just fine.
I then bumped into him here on GetBig and we were cool, but I did tell him that I would troll him a bit for taking random shit WAY too seriously. So, of course, like many other heroes here on the forum, I made fun of his nude COLT picture in which he appeared to be hung like that of a light switch. He took it well and sent me a private message on here saying that I was an asshole, but that it was all fair given that he did allow "pictures of his jewels for the price of cheap silver".
Years later, after he suffered from renal failure and stepped away from the industry, I never heard from him again. Yes, I later saw the pictures of him looking as if he weighed 110 pounds, but I knew the reasons why and laid off the bullshit, as I knew the circumstances that led him to that end was a part of his life he never wanted to revisit.
I wish his family well as these will be difficult times. He was one of our own and certainly brought laughter to the forum in his own way.
Rest In Peace Tom "Trap Monster" Prince.
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R.I.P., gone, but never forgotten
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Tom looked amazing from the side:
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RIP
And, in fairness, it seems he died of cancer -- so it could very well be that steroids and kidney damage had little or nothing to do with it. We won't know until more details come out. Until then, "where are the bodies" posting is misplaced.
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Somewhere, Kevin Levrone is reading your post and thinking... "Did somebody say part time bodybuilder?"
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Hahaha, this forum needs a “like” feature so you don’t have to post things like I just did. Awesome post. ;D
Shitty way to go out. RIP Tom.
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RIP
And, in fairness, it seems he died of cancer -- so it could very well be that steroids and kidney damage had little or nothing to do with it. We won't know until more details come out. Until then, "where are the bodies" posting is misplaced.
The PEDs killed his kidneys, and the immunosuppresants that he was on for life because of the transplant, gave him cancer (bad immune system = less ability to suppress cancerous cell growth).
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this forum needs a “like” feature
I agree. I'd would want both a like & dislike feature. Also, would be cool if you couldn't see who liked/disliked your stuff. It would keep it interesting.
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RIP
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He treated his body like a chemical experiment in his youth and paid the ultimate price. On his way out he must have been cursing his younger, ego driven self.
The follies of youth. RIP
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I guess I'll drop a few lines about Tom.
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Rest In Peace Tom "Trap Monster" Prince.
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Good post.
We've had quite a few RIP threads for former getbig posters recently and they've all had some really great write ups like this. Getbig never stops surprising.
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Eating meat even with cancer bad idea
Rest in peace , back in mid 90s he was on top with dorian and craig
With the passing of Tom Prince, does his death give you pause for thought to adjust any aspects of your life in terms of health? If so, what would they be?
For me, it reminds me that even if we do change our lifestyle - it may be too late. So it is better to not go down that road in the first place. For this reason, I think a model of moderation veering heavily towards abstinence should be used. I guess I've concluded that I would rather live a longer and much more boring life, than a shorter, but more exciting one. I just think 52 is far too young, and that no matter how much excitement you can fit into those 52 years, that a boring 90 years would be preferable. At least to me [I know that opinions will vary on this one].
How do you feel about that, Marty Champions?
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The PEDs killed his kidneys, and the immunosuppresants that he was on for life because of the transplant, gave him cancer (bad immune system = less ability to suppress cancerous cell growth).
I briefly looked into this, and you are correct.
"In kidney transplant recipients, cancer is one of the leading causes of death with a functioning graft beyond the first year of kidney transplantation, and malignancies account for 8–10% of all deaths in the USA (2.6 deaths/1000 patient-years) and exceed 30% of deaths in Australia (5/1000 patient-years) in kidney transplant recipients.
. . .
"Malignancy is one of the most common causes of death in kidney transplant recipients [1, 2]. In kidney transplant recipients, the incidence of cancer is generally increased 2- to 3-fold compared with the general population [3, 4]."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6007332/
It could be that he'd have gotten cancer anyway, but seems much less likely now.
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Just for comparison, in this interview Tom Platz (5 ft 7) states he weighed about 212 lbs competing, and 240 lbs off season:
trulyhuge.com/forum/71.html (http://trulyhuge.com/forum/71.html)
Compare that to Tom Prince like freaks who weighed up to 316 lbs off season.
And I don't think any of those nineties builders trained harder than Tom Platz.
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I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If you've ever known anyone on dialysis. It sucks the soul out of most people. Ive seen people on dialysis lose the will to live.
It sure as hell would make me lose the will to live. RIP Tom.
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Being 300+ with huge muscles in your 20s/30s makes dialysis and an early miserable death at 52 from cancer while looking like a scrawny geek all worthwhile.
Who wouldn't make that trade?
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I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If you've ever known anyone on dialysis. It sucks the soul out of most people. Ive seen people on dialysis lose the will to live.
I know ... every time a pro bodybuilder gets a blood work result that suggest that kidneys are stressed out due to the drug protocol " they've been under .... they should take it seriuosly .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Being 300+ with huge muscles in your 20s/30s makes dialysis and an early miserable death at 52 from cancer while looking like a scrawny geek all worthwhile.
Who wouldn't make that trade?
"The light that burns twice as bright lives half as long"
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Being 300+ with huge muscles in your 20s/30s makes dialysis and an early miserable death at 52 from cancer while looking like a scrawny geek all worthwhile.
Who wouldn't make that trade?
Living for the moment instead of focusing on the future. It’s one of the downfalls of our society
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"The light that burns twice as bright lives half as long"
The foundation of the Phoebus Cartel
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He treated his body like a chemical experiment in his youth and paid the ultimate price. On his way out he must have been cursing his younger, ego driven self.
The follies of youth. RIP
can't say i blame him for thinking it wouldn't happen to him, how many other guys from that era ended up on dialysis?
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He was positively one of the biggest, most muscular motherfuckerss in the world for a few years. Crazy huge.
Good guy. Always social. ALways friendly.
PIP
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So much advise on here about What he should or Shouldn't of been doing.
We all make choices all through our life some good some not so,
Yes he may of lived longer without doing the PED's he did - Then again he may not of
& Been hit By A Truck at age 35.
When it's our Time Up - That's it off we Go.
How many here would give this similar type of advice to Michael Schumacher
Survived countless Crashes in F1 only to be Severely Disabled on a Ski slope doing
25mph.
Stop with the wonderful hindsight advice.
It Pointless.
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"The light that burns twice as bright lives half as long"
"The geniuses are like shooting stars.
They have to burn, to lighten their time." :)
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Prince was a cool guy to talk to, he was already living on borrowed time , lucky he even made it that long with all the shit he was doing, whether cancer or not
RIP
Flex wheelers time is ticking……
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Prince was a cool guy to talk to, he was already living on borrowed time , lucky he even made it that long with all the shit he was doing, whether cancer or not
RIP
Flex wheelers time is ticking……
This may come as a Surprise to you............. Only everyone's Time is Ticking away & at the
Same Rate.
HTH. 😀 👍🏼
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I guess I'll drop a few lines about Tom.
I actually met Tom back in MuscleMayhem. He was a moderator there and I honestly felt that he was a bit of a fucking asshole at the time. He would drop very long replies and be pretty condescending to members, while also banning people he just didn't like. We bumped heads and I told him to go fuck himself a few times on the open forum. He didn't like me on MuscleMayhem, because we had a number of mutual friends on the pro circuit, which made it difficult to just ban me without people hearing about how much of a sensitive Prince'ss he was. Of course, the fact that we both had tempers didn't help the cause.
Then, some time later, Craig Titus and I started bumping heads on that very forum. Titus would pass himself off as a "tough" guy that would beat the shit out of someone if they got in his face. Well, I offered to publicly fight him at Victor Martinez's gym in NYC (this was back around 2002-2003). I gave Craig dates and times and Victor offered to make it happen for the two of us (Titus was well aware). Craig backed out (publicly - with Victor confirming it). After this issue with Titus, Tom sent me a message on MuscleMayhem stating how much he hated Titus as a person and felt that Titus was the scum of the earth for a multitude of reasons. As a result of that, Tom extended his respect and said that any enemy of that asshole was a friend to him. Following that point, Tom and I got along just fine.
I then bumped into him here on GetBig and we were cool, but I did tell him that I would troll him a bit for taking random shit WAY too seriously. So, of course, like many other heroes here on the forum, I made fun of his nude COLT picture in which he appeared to be hung like that of a light switch. He took it well and sent me a private message on here saying that I was an asshole, but that it was all fair given that he did allow "pictures of his jewels for the price of cheap silver".
Years later, after he suffered from renal failure and stepped away from the industry, I never heard from him again. Yes, I later saw the pictures of him looking as if he weighed 110 pounds, but I knew the reasons why and laid off the bullshit, as I knew the circumstances that led him to that end was a part of his life he never wanted to revisit.
I wish his family well as these will be difficult times. He was one of our own and certainly brought laughter to the forum in his own way.
Rest In Peace Tom "Trap Monster" Prince.
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Haha, thanks for sharing. That’s the Tom prince I remember
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This may come as a Surprise to you............. Only everyone's Time is Ticking away & at the
Same Rate.
HTH. 😀 👍🏼
That may be true but to people like flex having all sorts of health issues, in and out of hospitals, this applies more. Of course I hope it isn’t the case with all these bbers
It doesn’t apply to bhanky or esfitness, they are immune to everything
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I saw Tom at one of the Southern tates contest in Lauderdale just walking around...he had on a hoodie and black spandex tights....looked like a fucking monster....like Rob said his hamtrings through the spandex hung down to his upper calves.
A true freak.
RIP
Me too Wes saw him there also. Thick as fuck legs were huge with those hammies. RIP.
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He was positively one of the biggest, most muscular motherfuckerss in the world for a few years. Crazy huge.
Good guy. Always social. ALways friendly.
PIP
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(https://i.ibb.co/DKww6wy/img-1697-1.jpg)
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Around the turn of the century, late 90's or early 2000's, I was in the audience at a local contest here in LA. I was sitting in the rear, the seats were typical theater style seats. There were some empty seats in the row in front of me.
About a third of the way into the contest, in walks Prince, into the row in front of me. I was aghast at how huge he was. I thought to myself, my God, this man is never going to fit into one of these seats. I thought it like a normal adult sitting in a little child's chair. But by golly, he did sit down. To this day I don't know how he crammed himself into that seat he was so huge.
RIP
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Don't know if it was the lighting, or the type of filming, or just his conditioning, but that short clip of him from '96 had some of the thinnest skin I think I've ever seen
And the lantern jaw look just worked for him too (nh)
It's a shame - PIP
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Don't know if it was the lighting, or the type of filming, or just his conditioning, but that short clip of him from '96 had some of the thinnest skin I think I've ever seen
And the lantern jaw look just worked for him too (nh)
It's a shame - PIP
Palumbo was saying his 3rd place NOC was his best look, but that’s probably because Palumboism was setting in nicely. I think it’s ‘96 because his waist was tiny and tight (double no homo) but everything else was huge (except for the light switch triple no homo)
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Tom looked amazing from the side:
Jason Statham packing on the mass.
But seriously …
RIP
Guy was absolutely gigantic. Looked like a human tank. And allegedly he was strong as FRICK.
He truly paid a steep price for the abuse he inflicted onto his body.
Never knew the man, but, as with Matarazzo, I’d imagine he had serious regrets.
I just turned 52, so, damn.
Pretty bloody young.
Again, RIP.
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What did he do so far outside the typical pro drug protocols? People say he was a walking drug experiment and abused his body....
What did he and Mattarazzo and Nassir do that killed them? As opposed to Ronnie or Dorian or Ray or Taylor?
Excessive ammounts? Being reckless/ careless?
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What did he do so far outside the typical pro drug protocols? People say he was a walking drug experiment and abused his body....
What did he and Mattarazzo and Nassir do that killed them? As opposed to Ronnie or Dorian or Ray or Taylor?
Excessive ammounts? Being reckless/ careless?
tom and mike's case just pure bad luck, some people smoke two pack a day and never get sick and then some nonsmoker breathes in second hand smoke and gets lung cancer
i remember people saying on the forums that tom used rec drugs a lot too, who knows for sure but i thinks there is always some truth to rumors like that
nasser was still playing the size game well into retirement and would often brag about being 300 lbs with abs while being about 50 years old, he always seemed to be a bit unhealthy so maybe he just couldn't handle the drugs well to begin with
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It wasn't just bad luck. Tom made a choice to not monitor his health. His kidney damage could have been prevented, or at the very least caught in the very early stages.
Someone made a post in the early 2000s on musclemayhem asking Tom if he got blood work done.
Tom gave a one word reply: No
The poster then asked Tom if he was ever worried or concerned about his health?
Tom gave the same one word reply: No
Weeks later Tom was diagnosed with kidney damage, and shortly thereafter the thread was removed.
Someone had screenshotted the thread, reposted it, and asked if Tom still felt the same.
In an angry and embarrassed tone, Tom said of course he felt differently and wished he had gotten his blood work done. He was angry at the poster and thought his own ignorance and cockiness was being thrown in his face for a laugh.
The poster replied that his intention was not to belittle Tom. It was to use Tom's mistake as information and education so others wouldn't make the same mistake, and monitor their blood work.
Tom responded positively to that, and agreed it was a good message.
Tom was a good guy. Damn shame. RIP.
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It wasn't just bad luck. Tom made a choice to not monitor his health. His kidney damage could have been prevented, or at the very least caught in the very early stages.
Someone made a post in the early 2000s on musclemayhem asking Tom if he got blood work done.
Tom gave a one word reply: No
The poster then asked Tom if he was ever worried or concerned about his health?
Tom gave the same one word reply: No
Weeks later Tom was diagnosed with kidney damage, and shortly thereafter the thread was removed.
Someone had screenshotted the thread, reposted it, and asked if Tom still felt the same.
In an angry and embarrassed tone, Tom said of course he felt differently and wished he had gotten his blood work done. He was angry at the poster and thought his own ignorance and cockiness was being thrown in his face for a laugh.
The poster replied that his intention was not to belittle Tom. It was to use Tom's mistake as information and education so others wouldn't make the same mistake, and monitor their blood work.
Tom responded positively to that, and agreed it was a good message.
Tom was a good guy. Damn shame. RIP.
he was definitely reckless, but so were many others that never ended up on dialysis and are still relatively healthy to this day so yeah... bad luck
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It wasn't just bad luck. Tom made a choice to not monitor his health. His kidney damage could have been prevented, or at the very least caught in the very early stages.
Someone made a post in the early 2000s on musclemayhem asking Tom if he got blood work done.
Tom gave a one word reply: No
The poster then asked Tom if he was ever worried or concerned about his health?
Tom gave the same one word reply: No
Weeks later Tom was diagnosed with kidney damage, and shortly thereafter the thread was removed.
Someone had screenshotted the thread, reposted it, and asked if Tom still felt the same.
In an angry and embarrassed tone, Tom said of course he felt differently and wished he had gotten his blood work done. He was angry at the poster and thought his own ignorance and cockiness was being thrown in his face for a laugh.
The poster replied that his intention was not to belittle Tom. It was to use Tom's mistake as information and education so others wouldn't make the same mistake, and monitor their blood work.
Tom responded positively to that, and agreed it was a good message.
Tom was a good guy. Damn shame. RIP.
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RIP iron brother.
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Nubain had a lot to do with Toms health issues, certainly when your under its spell your not monitoring your health, the drug takes over you like any other opined addict, it turned a generation of bodybuilders into junkies, Dan Duchaines last gift to the community. No disrespect meant to Tom or any others by mentioning it. It was a curse on the sport.
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Palumbo was saying his 3rd place NOC was his best look, but that’s probably because Palumboism was setting in nicely. I think it’s ‘96 because his waist was tiny and tight (double no homo) but everything else was huge (except for the light switch triple no homo)
I think Tom (RIP) looked his best as an amateur although the NOC 3rd place version was incredibly freaky. Tom, Titus and countless others decide when they turn pro that they need to warpspeed themselves right to the Olympia instead of sticking with what got them their pro cards in the 1st place. That's my take anyway.
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i don't think tom ever could've been an elite pro
he could pack on a lot of muscle but his structural flaws having short stumpy legs and a very long torso would make him look out of place against the top guys
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I remember I had a dust-up with Prince, back in the Muscle Mayhem days. It was after he had a health scare of some sort, or maybe it was even his kidneys then, and he was talking about a "comeback".
I made the comment on lines of: "Are you sure that's a good idea?" And he blew up on me saying " it's my body, and I'll do what I want with it".
It went on for pages with other posters chiming in.
Those were the good old days....
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I remember I had a dust-up with Prince, back in the Muscle Mayhem days. It was after he had a health scare of some sort, or maybe it was even his kidneys then, and he was talking about a "comeback".
I made the comment on lines of: "Are you sure that's a good idea?" And he blew up on me saying " it's my body, and I'll do what I want with it".
It went on for pages with other posters chiming in.
Those were the good old days....
You should put this on his obituary condolence wall. ;D
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I remember I had a dust-up with Prince, back in the Muscle Mayhem days. It was after he had a health scare of some sort, or maybe it was even his kidneys then, and he was talking about a "comeback".
I made the comment on lines of: "Are you sure that's a good idea?" And he blew up on me saying " it's my body, and I'll do what I want with it".
It went on for pages with other posters chiming in.
Those were the good old days....
yeah i still can't believe he tried to make a comeback
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Dude did shows on just deca, test, and GH..but the Rec drugs did him in.
Seriously, enough dangerous stuff is done in bodybuilding..why add the rec drugs?
Bench
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Dude did shows on just deca, test, and GH..but the Rec drugs did him in.
Seriously, enough dangerous stuff is done in bodybuilding..why add the rec drugs?
Bench
Because most people are mentally weak pussies and they need some kind of high to get by.
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Dude did shows on just deca, test, and GH..but the Rec drugs did him in.
Seriously, enough dangerous stuff is done in bodybuilding..why add the rec drugs?
Bench
Don't forget the massive amount of painkillers many bodybuilders take, year after year. A toxic cocktail.
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Jason Statham packing on the mass.
But seriously …
RIP
Lol! I didn't even notice that at first. I can see the resemblance now. :)
I just spent the past little while trying to dig up classic/Ironage posts from Tom on the now-defunct MuscleMayhem website message forum. I wasn't able to pull much up, as the free message board software that was used at the time seemed to cause problems for the archive website.
One thing I noticed in Tom's posts is that his writing was not excellent. It wasn't awful - but there were simply too many typos in Tom's posts for me to believe that he had a Master's degree in English Lit. A Vince Goodrum-esque source I know told me that Lonnie Teper had called the University of Miami to verify Tom's claim, and received none - at which point Tom halted the claim. In 2003, Lonnie Teper called Grambling State University in Louisiana to verify that Ronnie Coleman graduated with a degree in Accounting "Cum Laude". :-X
So I could believe Lonnie actually did that for Tom too.
Also, the only verification of Tom's degree online are self-referential, posted by himself.
BUT...I could be wrong. It's just noticing typos, such as tom starting sentences with numbers [below] is something an English major shouldn't do. I could be wrong. I'm not meaning to talk ill of the dead - but someone told me Tom actually did not have that degree.
Below is a classic post from BB.com, allegedly from Getbig, lol. Getbig has been one of the freest and REALEST message boards online for decades now - be it for bodybuilding, or any topic.
The third post/image below is of Tom claiming that it would be "easy" for Tom to be 240-lb at 6% body fat. ::) This is where Tom's views in life bordered on the delusional.
Classic thread from the day of Tom Prince's last contest [attempt]:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=230087
Archived coverage of that Contest/Tom's health issue there, from Flex Magazine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040605095422/http://www.flexonline.com/news/36
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Below is the avatar Tom Prince used for MuscleMayhem. I posted both there and here at the time, but was ultimately IP banned for responding to King Kamali's wife in his original kitchen lighting threads [pre-Arnold Classic 2004] to her comment that negative comments "only motivate him", by saying that to be motivated from negative comments struck me as somewhat insecure. And that was it - banned.
And finally - below is a screenshot screenshot of a post of Tom stating, essentially the same thing about his bodybuilding career as former Ugandan self-declared president-for-life Idi Amin said about his time as a dictator in that country: "An Italian journalist, Riccardo Orizio, asked [Idi Amin] in 1999 whether he felt remorse. No, Mr. Amin replied, only nostalgia."
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/19/opinion/editorial-notebook-the-obscenely-easy-exile-of-idi-amin.html
Tom Prince - even despite the kidney problems he ended up with - said something similar, looking back at his bodybuilding career. So maybe this answers the question posed as to whether or not Tom regretted in [what was to him] his old age, the choices of his youth.
I am completely certain that Mike Matarazzo had deep regrets from the last decade of his life - from December 2004, having just turned 39 and found out he had artery blockages, through to the time of his death, just before turning 49. If I recall correctly, it was in 2007 that Mike called Lonnie Teper and told him he didn't want Lonnie to contact him anymore. Not from any problem caused by Lonnie - but simply because he did not want to be reminded of the world of bodybuilding, which I think he [rightly] thought took decades off his life.
Five bodybuilders from the 2001 and 2002 Mr. Olympia contests are now deceased. And at the time, most were in their thirties. If I'm counting right, that's 5 of 34. Then you have another three who suffered serious health consequences: Orville Burke had to retire after lapsing into a coma during surgery in 2002, Gustavo Badell was rushed to the ER for a heart problem of some kind - around 2015, but possibly earlier than that, and Flex Wheeler has had the numerous health issues we have heard about. Then we have two who did serious jailtime - Craig with his massive jail sentence over the murder of Melissa James, and Melvin Anthony, who, if I recall correctly, was sentenced to a long prison stretch.
So that's pretty awful outcomes for 10 of 34 competitors from 2001-2002. That's basically 3 in 10. And in another five years, I bet we will be adding to that list. And as I said, these weren't exactly old men competing at the time.
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Oh brother - it's a great eye-rolling workout, to read some of Tom's classic/Ironage posts:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677133.0;attach=1348387;image)
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You know - even at the time, I didn't buy it. But had Tom said that two years earlier, when I had two years of training under my belt [age 20], and didn't know much about the truth of the bodybuilding world - I would have believed him. I mean, hey - if he was, what, 312-lb at what looked to be under 10% body fat [photo below], it didn't seem TOO unrealistic for Tom to be 240-lb at around the same level of body fat.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677133.0;attach=1347962;image)
At the time, I probably thought Tom was 6% there - so basically, from what I could tell, Tom could lose a full 75-lb [almost all muscle], and achieve his 240-lb and 6% body fat goal.
So it would have made sense to me at the time [up to age 20 / two years of training and following bodybuilding].
But then I wised up...and there was no chance that I was believing Tom in 2004.
Amazing physique for sure - but it makes me wonder if he was ever off gear for any significant period of time [one full year or more], for him to believe the things he did.
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I think BFG, who used to post here, was Tom.
Check Tom's first point in that BB.com thread below, and compare it to almost the exact same statement from a post that BFG made here, shortly after Greg Kovacs died.
Also, coincidentally, Tom and BFG both had a similar posting run, and even a similar post count. That may not mean anything, but it's interesting that both members had a similar post count to time on board ratio.
BFG also claimed to be a retired pro, so...I think it's definitely possible. Just like how "The Undercover Pro" disappeared as soon as Craig went to jail. ;D
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he was definitely reckless, but so were many others that never ended up on dialysis and are still relatively healthy to this day so yeah... bad luck
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Hardly bad luck.
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Tommy sounded like the guy who's girlfriend or a crush had been f*cked by Titus
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Hardly bad luck.
Yeah...I'm siding with you on that. I agree that Earl has a point about all pros abusing their bodies...but even for a pro, I think Tom was a bit more reckless than most. Especially when you compare Tom to, say, Kevin Levrone. After tearing his pec in 1993, Kev took six months off before the 1994 Mr. Olympia...it was then that he realized that he didn't need to be on juice year-round, and could still be enormous. Ronnie Coleman would also customarily stop training immediately after the Mr. Olympia, and not start training again until around the time of the Arnold Classic. That was a solid 3-4 month break, depending on the exact dates of both events.
Also, look at Tom's recklessness in competing one final time, at the Ironman Pro in 2004. Here were Tom's comments on that, which he posted on MuscleMayhem:
I appreciate the sentiments and well wishes. Thank you for that.
One of the signs that your kidney's are having trouble is that your lungs start aking on a small amount of fluid. That happens because your kidney's are overworked, and are having a hard time regulating your water. The excess water puts a strain on the heart, which has to pump harder to get the water pushed through your kidney's. When you have too much water in your blood stream, it can back up into your lungs. The "gurgle" sound I coud hear at the end of every breath, is fluid in my lungs. Fluid in your lungs also makes in harder to breath. MUCH harder.
Compound the problem with being nervous about having to pose and compete while having a shortness of breath, and I started to hyperventalate.
This problem started on Friday, but I did my best to wait until the very last second to see if my lunds would clear, or go away. It didn't clear up until this morning (Sunday), after basically spending all day Saturday in bed.
I did get to go to the expo for an hour, just to sowly walk around and get some fresh air. Everything is fine right now.
^ Not great spelling for an English Master's degree holder. Also - that was sheer recklessness, IMO.
If the story is true - it's reckless. If the story is not true, then it's more evidence that Tom was a bit delusional, and his tendencies to exaggerate how successful people can be [not just him] without steroids/PEDs.
If what he said was true - even WITH kidney failure, and waiting for a transplant...Tom did that? Wow.
In that January of 2004 issue of FLEX, in the article "To Hell and Back" about Tom's woes, he said he had his creatinine tested, and was immediately called by his doctor and told he was in kidney failure, and to come to the hospital IMMEDIATELY.
Tom stopped to get ice cream with his wife Rebecca, on the way.
It just REALLY struck me as someone who didn't give a hang about his health, to do that.
In the end, Tom WAS extremely cautious about his health, shrinking down to, what, 160-lb [maybe less?], and seemed to have everything else under control, health-wise. If the USA is anything like Canada, you can't get an organ transplant if you don't pass various drug tests...so, IMO, Tom probably WAS living healthily post-diagnosis [since the 2004 Ironman - save for a couple of gear cycles someone I know who lived near him told me he ran in the late 00's]. But otherwise, I think Tom lived a good lifestyle - but only because he HAD to.
I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime between 2004 and 2011, Tom underwent his kidney transplant.
So while I think Tom had bad luck, I DO think he was more reckless than most pros. If you compare him to Dorian Yates, for example, Dorian literally did nothing but live the bodybuilding life. I know Dorian ordered a Lady of the Night when he visited my city - but I don't think he did drugs, and I'm not even aware of Dorian drinking alcohol in his competitive heyday. Whereas Tom seemed to have been burning the candle at both ends.
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Tommy sounded like the guy who's girlfriend or a crush had been f*cked by Titus
Was Melvin Anthony the crush?
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Hardly bad luck.
well we will have to agree to disagree
he was on dialysis by the time he was 33 or so? probably juicing for about 10 years and competed as a pro a handful of times
most of the others juiced and competed a lot longer than that and are seemingly fine today, or at least made it to their 40's without known health problems
who are the other bodybuilders on dialysis?
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Yeah...I'm siding with you on that. I agree that Earl has a point about all pros abusing their bodies...but even for a pro, I think Tom was a bit more reckless than most. Especially when you compare Tom to, say, Kevin Levrone. After tearing his pec in 1993, Kev took six months off before the 1994 Mr. Olympia...it was then that he realized that he didn't need to be on juice year-round, and could still be enormous. Ronnie Coleman would also customarily stop training immediately after the Mr. Olympia, and not start training again until around the time of the Arnold Classic. That was a solid 3-4 month break, depending on the exact dates of both events.
Also, look at Tom's recklessness in competing one final time, at the Ironman Pro in 2004. Here were Tom's comments on that, which he posted on MuscleMayhem:
^ Not great spelling for an English Master's degree holder. Also - that was sheer recklessness, IMO.
If the story is true - it's reckless. If the story is not true, then it's more evidence that Tom was a bit delusional, and his tendencies to exaggerate how successful people can be [not just him] without steroids/PEDs.
If what he said was true - even WITH kidney failure, and waiting for a transplant...Tom did that? Wow.
In that January of 2004 issue of FLEX, in the article "To Hell and Back" about Tom's woes, he said he had his creatinine tested, and was immediately called by his doctor and told he was in kidney failure, and to come to the hospital IMMEDIATELY.
Tom stopped to get ice cream with his wife Rebecca, on the way.
It just REALLY struck me as someone who didn't give a hang about his health, to do that.
In the end, Tom WAS extremely cautious about his health, shrinking down to, what, 160-lb [maybe less?], and seemed to have everything else under control, health-wise. If the USA is anything like Canada, you can't get an organ transplant if you don't pass various drug tests...so, IMO, Tom probably WAS living healthily post-diagnosis [since the 2004 Ironman - save for a couple of gear cycles someone I know who lived near him told me he ran in the late 00's]. But otherwise, I think Tom lived a good lifestyle - but only because he HAD to.
I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime between 2004 and 2011, Tom underwent his kidney transplant.
So while I think Tom had bad luck, I DO think he was more reckless than most pros. If you compare him to Dorian Yates, for example, Dorian literally did nothing but live the bodybuilding life. I know Dorian ordered a Lady of the Night when he visited my city - but I don't think he did drugs, and I'm not even aware of Dorian drinking alcohol in his competitive heyday. Whereas Tom seemed to have been burning the candle at both ends.
matt Mr. Levrone competed about 60+ times as a pro from 92 - 2003, tom competed 7 times from 99 - 2002
i don't think Mr. Levrone taking off a few months here and there during a 11 year pro career would make much of a difference protecting his health
plus he didn't really become a part time bodybuilder until 2000 or so late in his career, and when he did that it wasn't healthy to have huge body weight fluctuations to quickly go from maybe 200 lbs to 250 or so within 16 weeks in contest shape
also he seemed high during his M3 training video and was always rumored to be an alcoholic, and openly admits to drinking jack daniels to get ripped for a show
so i think it goes to show that some guys can be reckless with their health and get away with it, others like tom are reckless for less time and get completely fucked
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matt Mr. Levrone competed about 60+ times as a pro from 92 - 2003, tom competed 7 times from 99 - 2002
i don't think Mr. Levrone taking off a few months here and there during a 11 year pro career would make much of a difference protecting his health
plus he didn't really become a part time bodybuilder until 2000 or so late in his career, and when he did that it wasn't healthy to have huge body weight fluctuations to quickly go from maybe 200 lbs to 250 or so within 16 weeks in contest shape
also he seemed high during his M3 training video and was always rumored to be an alcoholic, and openly admits to drinking jack daniels to get ripped for a show
so i think it goes to show that some guys can be reckless with their health and get away with it, others like tom are reckless for less time and get completely fucked
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Rumoured? Mr. Levrone admitted to it himself! Lol!!!
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As for Mr. Levrone ever being high on anything...that I couldn't tell you - lol!!!
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I fondly remember when Mr. Levrone mentioned you on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, and thanked you for going to bat for him here on Getbig!
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Who do you think would have won - Tom Prince at his best pro appearance, or Mr. Levrone at his worst pro appearance?
And just one last thing:
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
8) 8) 8)
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Rumoured? Mr. Levrone admitted to it himself! Lol!!!
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As for Mr. Levrone ever being high on anything...that I couldn't tell you - lol!!!
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I fondly remember when Mr. Levrone mentioned you on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, and thanked you for going to bat for him here on Getbig!
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Who do you think would have won - Tom Prince at his best pro appearance, or Mr. Levrone at his worst pro appearance?
And just one last thing:
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
8) 8) 8)
yes i remember those days well, bob cicherillo also referred to him as "half italian half amazing" in an interview he did with him after the 2016 olympia 8)
Mr. Levrone's worst pro appearance was the 2017 arnold australia, tom would easily beat that
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How does jack daniels help you get ripped?
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How does jack daniels help you get ripped?
ask ronnie
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yes i remember those days well, bob cicherillo also referred to him as "half italian half amazing" in an interview he did with him after the 2016 olympia 8)
Mr. Levrone's worst pro appearance was the 2017 arnold australia, tom would easily beat that
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WHAT?!
I had NO IDEA that Mr. Levrone competed at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia! Amazing! And Mr. Levrone doesn't exactly look bad for being 53 years old at the time - wow! 8) 8)
^ You know, Earl, I must say - it wouldn't shock me if even that pro appearance by Mr. Levrone would beat some versions of Tom Prince. Say for example, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest! I have posted a photo below, for comparison.
Talk about elite genetics for Mr. Levrone! 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
8) 8) 8) 8)
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WHAT?!
I had NO IDEA that Mr. Levrone competed at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia! Amazing! And Mr. Levrone doesn't exactly look bad for being 53 years old at the time - wow! 8) 8)
^ You know, Earl, I must say - it wouldn't shock me if even that pro appearance by Mr. Levrone would beat some versions of Tom Prince. Say for example, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest! I have posted a photo below, for comparison.
Talk about elite genetics for Mr. Levrone! 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
8) 8) 8) 8)
Mr. Levrone looked horrible no way he beats tom in 2001, i haven't looked at him the same since
his comeback was like seeing your old high school crush that you still think about years later, then you run into her one day and now she looks old and fat which kills all of the sweet memories you had of her :-[
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Mr. Levrone looked horrible no way he beats tom in 2001, i haven't looked at him the same since
his comeback was like seeing your old high school crush that you still think about years later, then you run into her one day and now she looks old and fat which kills all of the sweet memories you had of her :-[
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Really? I think that is a bit harsh, Earl.
Keep in mind that Mr. Levrone actually beat one pro at his last contest, at the 2018 Arnold Classic Australia - Mr. Levrone beat IFBB pro Darryn Onekawa, who was from New Zealand, which would normally be assumed to result in preferential treatment in judging in Australia. So I think Mr. Levrone beat him fair and square. That was an active, then current pro. I don't know if Darryn Onekawa still competes, but at the time, he was an active pro.
And in 2016 at the Mr. Olympia, Mr. Levrone did not place - but there were three others who did not place with him, including Brandon Curry, who went on to win the Mr. Olympia himself, only three years later.
While Mr. Levrone wasn't at his competitive prime best in his two comeback shows that he came back for, both while over the age of 50, I still think he looked good, and was still a viable pro [if not at the Mr. Olympia level, still at the pro level, which was incredible for his age]. And of course - he wasn't at the prime Mr. Levrone level - but then again, who is? 8)
He may not have come back at age 50+ to look as good as Vince Taylor when he did that - but Vince Taylor turned pro rather late [age 32], and was thus able to extend his prime for that reason, IMO. I still think what Mr. Levrone did was incredible, even though he was not at his own personal best. But then again - if you compare all bodybuilders to a prime Mr. Levrone, I think you will be sorely disappointed at not only Mr. Levrone's comeback looks - but at the physiques of just about any IFBB pro! Very few, if any, compare to a prime Mr. Levrone. 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
8) 8) 8)
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Some guys compete into their 50's or 60's (Taylor & Beckles for example) but they weren't off for years like Kevin was. They hardly took a break.
When Levrone came back his overall condition just missed the mark. It was a little disappointing. He didn't quite nail it. But considering where he came back from- it was pretty cool to watch. At least I thought so.
You knew from the pre show conference when he stood up and did a posedown against Cedric? That he wasn't going to place high.
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Can't find the thread of his artistic nudes photographs.
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Can't find the thread of his artistic nudes photographs.
Researching for nostalgia purposes only, right?
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Prince videos:
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Looks like Tom hung out with quite an unhealthy social group:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111919991&p=244772571&viewfull=1#post244772571
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Looks like Tom hung out with quite an unhealthy social group:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111919991&p=244772571&viewfull=1#post244772571
I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.
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I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.
My guess would be she hooked up with an older man and is being taken care of.
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Kelly has now become the "live-in" girlfriend of Dana Lynn Bailey and her cuckold-swinger hubby. All 3 of them probably swap,suck and ride black cock.
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I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.
Heard she’s living with Matt C in Canada, she’s keeping a low profile these days
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My guess would be she hooked up with an older man and is being taken care of.
why would an older man want her?
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why would an older man want her?
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Who schmoes?
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Who schmoes?
i would think an older man with money can do better than some washed up old convicted felon that was maybe a 5 at her best to begin with
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i would think an older man with money can do better than some washed up old convicted felon that was maybe a 5 at her best to begin with
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I think you’re right
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I think you’re right
Rambone - you are NOT Japanese.
You are NOT a Tanaka! This is a Tanaka:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_Tanaka
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Rambone - you are NOT Japanese.
You are NOT a Tanaka! This is a Tanaka:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_Tanaka
:D
“Okay, Thunder Bay!”
(https://i.gifer.com/embedded/download/Rwz.gif)
WooooooooSHHHHHH TA NA KA
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A lot of people also don't know what Tom sounded like in real life. As opposed to what his forum picture would suggest, Tom was very soft spoken.
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How does jack daniels help you get ripped?
Help to dehydrate you to an extant plus helps to bring out vascularity.
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Help to dehydrate you to an extant plus helps to bring out vascularity.
Doesn't wine work better?
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Can someone give me a quick run down or when Tom turned pro, when he had the transplant/kidney failure, and when/what he looked like when he did his come back? Also, it was said he didn’t finish that contest. Was it due to some sort of fallout on stage like Dillet? Thanks.
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Nineties (or today's) builders do not work or train harder than Arnold or his contemporaries.
They just do more (and different sorts of) gear.
Tom Prince said in an interview that bodybuilding for him was not a full time job. In his prime he trained for 1 hour per day, and that was it.
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Sorry Sky, you were right I was wrong.
I just watched the video OMR posted and Tom said he trained an hour a day while training to become a pro.
He also said he had an 85k a year deal with Metrx as an amateur. I wonder why he did the Colt shoot if he a good sponsorship deal?
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I know this is off topic but related to the link above (Titus murder), but what ever happened to Kelly Ryan? I googled and saw that she's out of jail but didn't know where she is or what she's doing or how she's making a living.
Without a doubt, she's keeping an extremely low profile.
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Help to dehydrate you to an extant plus helps to bring out vascularity.
Ahhh. Thanks.
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Can someone give me a quick run down or when Tom turned pro, when he had the transplant/kidney failure, and when/what he looked like when he did his come back? Also, it was said he didn’t finish that contest. Was it due to some sort of fallout on stage like Dillet? Thanks.
Hey Irongrip400,
Sure, I can do that:
Tom turned pro in 1997, by winning the heavyweight and overall at the 1997 NPC Nationals. Some say he should have turned pro the year before, in 1996, where he placed 2nd at the NPC USA Championships. Tom also placed 2nd in the heavyweights at the Nationals in 1996, but Jay Cutler beat him. Tom was able to get his contract with Met-RX in 1996, despite not being pro yet - which really goes to show how good he was at the time, to be signed before he even turned pro.
Tom was diagnosed with kidney failure around Spring of 2003, but possibly a little sooner. As for the kidney transplant - I'm not 100% certain on that...but from what I can recall, he was on the "RX Power Hour" radio show on RXMuscle.com in 2011, and at that time, he had already received his kidney transplant, as far as I am aware.
Unfortunately, it did not hold. So...at some point in the past decade, he went back to dialysis.
Regarding Tom's comeback contest, that was at the 2004 Ironman Pro. No one knows what Tom looked like at that contest, because there are no pictures of Tom. Allegedly, his lungs started filling with fluid on the day of the contest, and Tom was forced to pull out. At the time, on the now-defunct MuscleMayhem.com message board, Tom said that he felt he could have placed very well had he been able to continue [I think he said top three, which I read to mean 3rd place...as I can't imagine him doing better than 3rd...at the same time, I can't imagine how he could have beaten Gustavo Badell who placed 3rd that year].
I personally felt it was crazy for Tom to compete in that contest, but the explanation that he gave on MuscleMayhem was that he needed to give and ending to his 18-year story as a bodybuilder. And had he not competed, he would have never known if he was able to do it one last time.
So who knows? I think that reasoning is silly, given his health state at the time, but I suppose I can understand how as a professional bodybuilder, he wanted to give it one last chance.
Here is that 2011 Rx Power Hour radio show that Tom was on where he goes into details about many things:
http://rxmuscle.com/strongman/rx-power-hour/2997-jefftheproducer-rxpowerhour.html
Tom was a well-spoken man. I definitely think he sounded intelligent enough to have a Master's degree in English Lit...he just, oddly enough, wasn't a great speller, lol.
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A lot of people also don't know what Tom sounded like in real life. As opposed to what his forum picture would suggest, Tom was very soft spoken.
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Haha is that Chicko interviewing him?
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Haha is that Chicko interviewing him?
Yep - that's Bob Cicherillo.
I must say - Tom sounded different in person than you would expect based on his pictures/physique. He was soft-spoken, for sure. He was also fairly articulate. I think he sounded smart, but wasn't a great writer...which is why I think the claims of him having a Master's degree in English Lit don't make sense.
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Sorry Sky, you were right I was wrong.
I just watched the video OMR posted and Tom said he trained an hour a day while training to become a pro.
He also said he had an 85k a year deal with Metrx as an amateur. I wonder why he did the Colt shoot if he a good sponsorship deal?
going to take a stab at this one BUT I would assume the audience at the Mr Olympia isn't made up of females - they aren't the ones buying used posing trunks , photo shoot pics, or even colt mags
Tommy know his audience , like most pro bb'er do , and you pander/cater to them --
one would assume that a pro bb'er would make just as much money doing covers for romance novels ?? or modeling underwear ?? how the fuck the Fabio get so much money ?? was he g4P - why don't pros follow his path and stop the gay stuff ???????????????;)
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Haha is that Chicko interviewing him?
One of the heavy-hitters of bodybuilding. Fair and honest bodybuilding journalism at its finest
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Tom turned pro in 1997, by winning the heavyweight and overall at the 1997 NPC Nationals. Some say he should have turned pro the year before, in 1996, where he placed 2nd at the NPC USA Championships. Tom also placed 2nd in the heavyweights at the Nationals in 1996, but Jay Cutler beat him. Tom was able to get his contract with Met-RX in 1996, despite not being pro yet - which really goes to show how good he was at the time, to be signed before he even turned pro.
God - remember how hard it was to get a Pro card back then? There used to be a real buzz about who'd pull it off each year. Now I see so many people on IG with their username appended in this kind of manner John/JaneDoe-ifbb_pro that it seems commonplace
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God - remember how hard it was to get a Pro card back then? There used to be a real buzz about who'd pull it off each year. Now I see so many people on IG with their username appended in this kind of manner John/JaneDoe-ifbb_pro that it seems commonplace
Yes! I absolutely remember the days. In fact, I remember Greg Kovacs posting on Facebook saying the same thing - I think in Canada when he turned pro [1996] that it may have only been the overall CBBF champion who won. So basically a country of almost 30 million people at the time, and here we were with only one IFBB pro card given out each year.
That's why Shawn Ray said "Welcome to the club" to Tom Prince when he turned pro, which is an expression that Tom later said to other pros [such as Frank McGrath on the MuscleMayhem message board, before it melted down to nothing].
Speaking of everyone on Instagram being IFBB pros - hahahaha...that is so true - I recall formally rotund movie star Ethan Suplee stating that he lost weight through the help of "IFBB pro Jared Feather".
Having never heard of this "pro", I had to check him out. And just as I suspected, he is one of the many new pro cards awarded these days, for the Men's Physique Category:
https://www.instagram.com/jared_feather/
Don't get me wrong - he has a great physique, and it's not like a guy like this wouldn't know what he is doing...I mean, what's the difference between him and an IFBB pro, aside from more gear?:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZEIUChrvET/
^ He even explains in that post why he doesn't want to go in the open class, and his reasoning is sound.
These days, "IFBB pro" just doesn't mean as much though.
I mean, what next, the "Health Look" class, with a Master's [40-45] division, where I could be the only competitor locally, getting me to provincials, where I compete against two other guys aged 45, win, go to Nationals, then lose, but win the next year?
A situation like that actually DID happen to someone I know - he was the only person who competed locally, and was only 1 of 3 guys competing provincially, so he went to Nationals. He's not a pro yet...but give it until the next CBBF Nationals, and nothing would surprise me.
Ron Harris was stating that he wanted a pro card, having competed so long, and given that pro cards are given so freely now. John Meadows got his pro card this way also, by winning the NPC Master's Universe. Meanwhile, back in the day, you had guys like Jeff King winning the Universe, and he wasn't even able to get a pro card, without going through the full process again:
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Jeff King was a pro, just not IFBB pro.
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God - remember how hard it was to get a Pro card back then? There used to be a real buzz about who'd pull it off each year. Now I see so many people on IG with their username appended in this kind of manner John/JaneDoe-ifbb_pro that it seems commonplace
TaffinDoe-ifbb_bro
Bro!
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Yes! I absolutely remember the days. In fact, I remember Greg Kovacs posting on Facebook saying the same thing - I think in Canada when he turned pro [1996] that it may have only been the overall CBBF champion who won. So basically a country of almost 30 million people at the time, and here we were with only one IFBB pro card given out each year.
That's why Shawn Ray said "Welcome to the club" to Tom Prince when he turned pro, which is an expression that Tom later said to other pros [such as Frank McGrath on the MuscleMayhem message board, before it melted down to nothing].
Speaking of everyone on Instagram being IFBB pros - hahahaha...that is so true - I recall formally rotund movie star Ethan Suplee stating that he lost weight through the help of "IFBB pro Jared Feather".
Having never heard of this "pro", I had to check him out. And just as I suspected, he is one of the many new pro cards awarded these days, for the Men's Physique Category:
https://www.instagram.com/jared_feather/
Don't get me wrong - he has a great physique, and it's not like a guy like this wouldn't know what he is doing...I mean, what's the difference between him and an IFBB pro, aside from more gear?:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZEIUChrvET/
^ He even explains in that post why he doesn't want to go in the open class, and his reasoning is sound.
These days, "IFBB pro" just doesn't mean as much though.
I mean, what next, the "Health Look" class, with a Master's [40-45] division, where I could be the only competitor locally, getting me to provincials, where I compete against two other guys aged 45, win, go to Nationals, then lose, but win the next year?
A situation like that actually DID happen to someone I know - he was the only person who competed locally, and was only 1 of 3 guys competing provincially, so he went to Nationals. He's not a pro yet...but give it until the next CBBF Nationals, and nothing would surprise me.
Ron Harris was stating that he wanted a pro card, having competed so long, and given that pro cards are given so freely now. John Meadows got his pro card this way also, by winning the NPC Master's Universe. Meanwhile, back in the day, you had guys like Jeff King winning the Universe, and he wasn't even able to get a pro card, without going through the full process again:
TRUE MATT.....go into any nationals or usa in 90's and count in the classes how many future pros were in there and were taking 10 place or lower and took few turns to get in..
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Doesn't wine work better?
I`ve heard it does but I think it`s the alcohol no matter what form you ingest it in that does it.
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Ron Harris didn`t do all that many contests,and nothing against him but he would have never made pro unless he was the only guy in the show....I did a couple contests with him in Boston.....Meadows was far superior
A far as Jeff King goes, correct... in essence he said fuck Weider.
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TRUE MATT.....go into any nations or usa in 90's and count in the classes how many future pros were in there and were taking 10 place or lower and took few turns to get in..
Shit….remember what Liedelmeyer and Mendenhall went through trying to get their Pro Cards?
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Shit….remember what Liedelmeyer and Mendenhall went through trying to get their Pro Cards?
^^^The caliber of competiition in their weight/height classes was insane....now they give human bags of shit a fucking card.
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^^^The caliber of competiition in their weight/height classes was insane....now they give human bags of shit a fucking card.
@Wes - For the Masters Nationals, do the top two placers of each class get pro cards or do you have to win your class?
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@Wes - For the Masters Nationals, do the top two placers of each class get pro cards or do you have to win your class?
Win your class at this show.
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Win your class at this show.
Thanks J2. If Bhank pulls a pro card here does his status change? What's next after the mere competitor stars?
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I agree with OMR - Tom was quite the egomaniac dick type during the mayhem days (didn't he coin the claim that steroids were just the finishing touch? he certainly waged some war over that one, that I do remember).
I remember reading a thread during I guess a "fake bro" phase between him and Titus, where Tom posted that he would back up Titus in the fight with the UFC fighter. He deleted it shortly thereafter and denied that it ever occurred.
Regardless, you look at the the guy he became and you can't see much egomaniac left. Think the sauce just made him feel invincible.
RIP
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I agree with OMR - Tom was quite the egomaniac dick type during the mayhem days (didn't he coin the claim that steroids were just the finishing touch? he certainly waged some war over that one, that I do remember).
I remember reading a thread during I guess a "fake bro" phase between him and Titus, where Tom posted that he would back up Titus in the fight with the UFC fighter. He deleted it shortly thereafter and denied that it ever occurred.
Regardless, you look at the the guy he became and you can't see much egomaniac left. Think the sauce just made him feel invincible.
RIP
Yes.
He said it in the "Precontest Bible" thread on Mayhem from 2004, back when it was on the Ikonboard software. The thread is not available on the Archive website, but Chad Nicholls told me once that he has the entire website archived, when I asked him on Facebook. If anyone knows him, he can confirm. And get to the origin of Tom saying that steroids are "1% of what makes a pro a pro", and is the "last place you should look", LMAO.
I just realized why I hold grudges forever - I DON'T FUCKING FORGET ANYTHING. I hadn't even thought of this. People have the memories of goldfish, FFS.
But yeah, that was the thread. Gosh...that was 18 years ago now. Someone literally replied to that thread and said that he highly doubted that pros talked about gear cycles in that book [a direct response to Tom Prince stating that the book covered some aspects of gear use that pros use, which the book patently DID NOT cover], and Tom got super defensive, and responded as I did.
So the dude didn't even say gear was the #1 factor - Tom said pros talked about gear in the book, the dude replied and said "I doubt they talked about gear", and then Tom said that gear is a small component of bodybuilding. The LEAST important component.
Also, here:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423
^ Haha, yet more bullshit!
I DO understand why Tom wanted to downplay gear though...who wants to be told that they are only making progress BECAUSE of gear [and only because of gear]?
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@Wes - For the Masters Nationals, do the top two placers of each class get pro cards or do you have to win your class?
Good quetion Abe....I believe the top two get them these days....I`ll look into it......not really HIV positive. ;D
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Is Tom Prince still dead?
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TRUE MATT.....go into any nationals or usa in 90's and count in the classes how many future pros were in there and were taking 10 place or lower and took few turns to get in..
Yup Bobybuilding has become watered down pro card doesn't mean shit. Back when I competed I was happy to place in local shows in S.FL. The quality of physiques were incredible even in the 2 major gyms I trained back then.
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Is Tom Prince still dead?
Yup. It's waaaaay past three days so I guess he really wasn't the Methsiah?
;D ;D
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TaffinDoe-ifbb_bro
Bro!
LOL Genius Bro ;D
So fucken tempted to create a fake profile with that name to post all my crude face transplant shit, I'm not kidding! Other IG accounts have posted my shitty pics of Roelly Winklaar and things like that and they've literally (and I mean that accurately) got tens of thousands of likes and comments each time*, without any credit for them stealing if from GetBig! >:(
*Totally true - I even linked to it in a thread I started
I swear I'm going to start watermarking my shit (I also mean that accurately ;D) with a GetBig logo or something. Only with permission from Ron/The CommitteeTM, of course
I could even start dumping all that crap from my rolling thread that I update every 6 months or so, so it's not like it would take any effort...
Might even pull in some fresh blood/newbies to crucify when they see the logo...(or I cop an immediate ban from IG, as per)
What say you, Rambone?
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Shit….remember what Liedelmeyer and Mendenhall went through trying to get their Pro Cards?
This
^^^The caliber of competiition in their weight/height classes was insane....now they give human bags of shit a fucking card.
And this
I'm not even saying that people in these new categories don't train hard, starve right, etc. And a lot of them look great. But it just feels watered-down somehow
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LOL Genius Bro ;D
So fucken tempted to create a fake profile with that name to post all my crude face transplant shit, I'm not kidding! Other IG accounts have posted my shitty pics of Roelly Winklaar and things like that and they've literally (and I mean that accurately) got tens of thousands of likes and comments each time*, without any credit for them stealing if from GetBig! >:(
*Totally true - I even linked to it in a thread I started
I swear I'm going to start watermarking my shit (I also mean that accurately ;D) with a GetBig logo or something. Only with permission from Ron/The CommitteeTM, of course
I could even start dumping all that crap from my rolling thread that I update every 6 months or so, so it's not like it would take any effort...
Might even pull in some fresh blood/newbies to crucify when they see the logo...(or I cop an immediate ban from IG, as per)
What say you, Rambone?
You’ve gotta protect your shit, bro! It’s your property. Your art. And these no-talent IG tiny tits are stealing it!
How I imagine your reaction the first time:
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The taffin non fungible token coming to getbig soon
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You're right goddamit!
Let me see if I can get permission to watermark my pieces of shit
Watch this space
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You're right goddamit!
Let me see if I can get permission to watermark my pieces of shit
Watch this space
My goal is to copy you in terms of number of children. ;D
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They used to give out two pro cards a year, I think. Mr USA and NPC nationals. But after they realized they could collect annual membership dues they started issuing a few per show it seemed like
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They used to give out two pro cards a year, I think. Mr USA and NPC nationals. But after they realized they could collect annual membership dues they started issuing a few per show it seemed like
North Americas as well.
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They used to give out two pro cards a year, I think. Mr USA and NPC nationals. But after they realized they could collect annual membership dues they started issuing a few per show it seemed like
And they started making up a boatload of other classes.
IFBB pro membership is watered down now.
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My goal is to copy you in terms of number of children. ;D
Good man! We need to repopulate the Western Hemisphere (I think I read somewhere, or something like that...) ;D
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Good man! We need to repopulate the Western Hemisphere (I think I read somewhere, or something like that...) ;D
I'm in! I got so far 4 in Cali 3 in Austria 3 Sweden...
:o
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Has my issue of Colt Magazine gone up in value yet? Also, will the resale value be affected if some pages are stuck together (including centerfold)?
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I'm in! I got so far 4 in Cali 3 in Austria 3 Sweden...
:o
Wow - your 10 beats my 7 - I did NOT expect to be topped in this category
Matt - you have 3 or is it 4? So that's around 20 between the three of us (with DOA doing most of the work, obv.)
Maybe we can halt the decline of Western Civilisation after all! (Now where did I put that Viagra..?!)
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Wow - your 10 beats my 7 - I did NOT expect to be topped in this category
Matt - you have 3 or is it 4? So that's around 20 between the three of us (with DOA doing most of the work, obv.)
Maybe we can halt the decline of Western Civilisation after all! (Now where did I put that Viagra..?!)
LMAO! Both were technically correct: I have three, but only due to a recent [2019] miscarriage. Because of that, I had a period of time that I didn't want to have anymore. It was sad. Also because I wanted all my kids born before I turned 40. I thought four was a good number. But it didn't work out.
That being said, Taffin - until my government FULLY stops the communism mandates, I will just feel this entire situation sucks. I've realized that I would rather be in jail than to live in an unfree society.
Has life moved on in your neck of the woods?
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Has my issue of Colt Magazine gone up in value yet? Also, will the resale value be affected if some pages are stuck together (including centerfold)?
I believe you meant to use the schmoelitically correct term, 3D "gaytefold". Sorry...I could not resist the opportunity to be ridiculous. This must be what it is like to be bhanks. Sans the huuuge HEEEEEED!!
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I believe you meant to use the schmoelitically correct term, 3D "gaytefold". Sorry...I could not resist the opportunity to be ridiculous. This must be what it is like to be bhanks. Sans the huuuge HEEEEEED!!
:D ;D
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LMAO! Both were technically correct: I have three, but only due to a recent [2019] miscarriage. Because of that, I had a period of time that I didn't want to have anymore. It was sad. Also because I wanted all my kids born before I turned 40. I thought four was a good number. But it didn't work out.
That being said, Taffin - until my government FULLY stops the communism mandates, I will just feel this entire situation sucks. I've realized that I would rather be in jail than to live in an unfree society.
Has life moved on in your neck of the woods?
I know what you mean - managed to get mine in under 40 - didn't want to be too old for Grandkids - there should be some along any time soon - can't wait
And sorry my young Canadian Brother, but we've been pretty much back to normal for quite a while - and to take the heat away from our PM I believe even self-isolation is just about done
Try to stay out of trouble please - don't make me have to make a poorly executed MS Paint job of your face onto a Rambo - First Blood poster (Your local Sheriff's not called Teazle, is he?) ;D
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RIP:
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RIP:
Amazing physique. He probably started out doing 6 Reps per set early in his career, but added OneMoreRep later on.
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I have to say something...rip ..
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I have to say something...rip ..
Thank you Campeon. We may finally be able to lock this thread now.
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Has it only been 2 months? Sad
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used to see him pretty often at World and Golds in 01-03. was really the first guy (besides paul dillett) that made me think 'wtf'. easily the widest guy i've ever seen. really inspired me to see how much gear my delts could hold lol
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Goodmorrow,
We're all a-buzz here at the GetBig offices. I was just talking to John in accounting and he stated he had spent the day with Tom a few months ago. He wasn't doing great but he was however doing.
His diet had changed and John told me roughly this was what Tom ate daily:
7am: Fresh squeezed glass of orange juice, half a cup of oatmeal.
12pm: Waldorf salad, glass of unsweetened tea.
5pm: smoked duck or fillet (depends what he had in the fidge), side of sprouts lightly glazed with almond oil.
9pm: small box of raisins.
10pm: chocolate or vanilla Boost.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bullshit, I haven't met a John in accounting.
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