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Episode 1 -
Opens on a vintage Sally playing with her shotgun in a vintage schmoe tape, good camera presence, but bad mic control.
Short intro into her getting started in bodybuilding. You can see she's still institutionalized a bit in the manner she holds herself and responses to questions. Tight mannerisms, open, but still very formal on dates, etc.... Interesting thing is Sally was very flat chested, nothing like the heavy hangers she has now.
They introduce Ray. Good looking guy in his Marine days, looks like a darker Hodge twin. Competition footage of Ray's piece in a purple posing suit. Cuts to Sally still visibly all horned up over a young Ray. Some nice shots of vintage bodybuilding fashion. Intimate, non sexual tapes of Ray and Sally's courtship shown. Sally laments their shared love of Arnold films.
She marries him 2 months in, fearing he might leave. Sally looking a bit creepy, talking about loving people and giving them her all.
Sally's daughter talks about how much Sally was smittened with Ray. The kids talk about how hard it was to have interracial bodybuilding parents. The kids liked Ray.
Back to competition talk - lots of crotch shots of Ray so far (throughout episode). Sally might not of had tits, but her rump was thick in these early clips. Really great stage presence from both. You can tell they're having fun on stage.
Random fact - Sally was a mess hall cook. Sally collected recyclable cans to help support her and Ray.
Director seems to be picking the most suggestive poses to show.
Talk of how Dillett was the man to beat at the North Americans. Sally disses Dillet's back development. Says all his definition vanishes. Lots of talk about how great Ray looked winning that show.
Sally's daughter had a crush on Ferrigno. She hated oiling up Sally and Ray for comps.
Wayne Demilia shows up, looks a bit like an old lesbian at some angles. He gives a history of bodybuilding, particularly FBB.
Lenda Murray still looks good, she's here giving some insights.
Random fact - Ray claimed to eat 114 eggs a week. Sally bitches about how expensive it was to feed Ray. If they bought 8 steaks, Ray ate 5, leaving 3 for Sally and the kids.
Steroids and bigorexia talk. Demilia talks about steroid use, clean shows, and the push back they got from fans that wanted freaks. Sally's first cycle was Anavar. Sally never used test, fearing sides. Ray was using up their roid money. Sally would go on steroid runs to Mexico with the kids in their Firebird. Sally gets embarrassed by this, spazs for a little on the interviewer. Sally's got some crazy in those eyes still. Sally's now doing strength shows to support Ray.
Super schmoe Bill Wick (78 years old and still schmoing) broke her into schmoe wresting. Bill was FBB Kay Baxter's husband. He hated regular posing, so he started teaching them wrestling to get off. Bill wants you to know schmoe wresting isn't real, all staged (sidenote - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EZobdiJ4M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EZobdiJ4M)).
Ray knew. Bill and Sally got along well, and he paid her $50/hr. Sally liked schmoe work, and started her own schmoe film company called Top Secret Productions. First film was "Snow Job", a winter schmoe de force, where she wrestles in waist deep snow. "Adventures of Private Selena" is her Marine one filmed on base.
FFwd to 1993, Sally looks good. More talk about pro FFB. Demilia, ESPN guys tactfully suggesting FBB's got ugly and can't sell to the masses. Demilia talks schmoes. Sally appreciates schmoes, won't degrade them by calling them that, claims schmoes were well mannered, never tried to go further. Blue collar schmoes treated her better than rich schmoes. Rich schmoes would show up stinky and dirty looking to wrestle. Charged the guys $300/hr. NY, Boston, Texas, Florida were big money states on schmoe tours.
Her daughter hates schomes, embarrassed by the whole thing.
1993 saw Sally spend $24,000 on Ray's prep. More backstory on Ray. His mother gave him to an aunt to raise, grew up dirt poor in North Carolina in very close to a tar paper shack according to Sally. Ray was supposedly molested multiple times by one of the aunt's friends.
Sally's kids claim Ray had a Jekyll and Hyde way about him.
Ray once gouged a man's eyes out in a bar fight as a bouncer. He enjoyed beating people up as a bouncer, but knew the cops, so they'd help him out. Confirmed by bodybuilder DJ Jeffers.
Talk of Ray beating Sally. Claims he was a fan of choking her, split her lip on the 3rd date. Broke her nose in front of the kids once. Sally claims physical abuse from her stepdad growing up, so she was semi-ok with it. Sally's son claims Ray would beat him when they were alone.
Christmas 1994 home movie shown with Ray joking that he can use the belt on the kids because he's their daddy. Stepson claims Ray was a fan of beating one kid in front of the other. Stepson grew to hate Ray. Kids wanted to leave, Sally made them stay.
Sally claims rape. Says Ray would tell her he owned every hole.
Next episode is the Murder.
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Rating - 3 1/2 Schmoes out of 5 - You'll enjoy it, but it might be a little lacking for the true aficionado, great for people new to the story.
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Ray ate over 100 eggs per day. Yeah… sure.
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Episode 1 -
Opens on a vintage Sally playing with her shotgun in a vintage schmoe tape, good camera presence, but bad mic control.
Short intro into her getting started in bodybuilding. You can see she's still institutionalized a bit in the manner she holds herself and responses to questions. Tight mannerisms, open, but still very formal on dates, etc.... Interesting thing is Sally was very flat chested, nothing like the heavy hangers she has now.
They introduce Ray. Good looking guy in his Marine days, looks like a darker Hodge twin. Competition footage of Ray's piece in a purple posing suit. Cuts to Sally still visibly all horned up over a young Ray. Some nice shots of vintage bodybuilding fashion. Intimate, non sexual tapes of Ray and Sally's courtship shown. Sally laments their shared love of Arnold films.
She marries him 2 months in, fearing he might leave. Sally looking a bit creepy, talking about loving people and giving them her all.
Sally's daughter talks about how much Sally was smittened with Ray. The kids talk about how hard it was to have interracial bodybuilding parents. The kids liked Ray.
Back to competition talk - lots of crotch shots of Ray so far (throughout episode). Sally might not of had tits, but her rump was thick in these early clips. Really great stage presence from both. You can tell they're having fun on stage.
Random fact - Sally was a mess hall cook. Sally collected recyclable cans to help support her and Ray.
Director seems to be picking the most suggestive poses to show.
Talk of how Dillett was the man to beat at the North Americans. Sally disses Dillet's back development. Says all his definition vanishes. Lots of talk about how great Ray looked winning that show.
Sally's daughter had a crush on Ferrigno. She hated oiling up Sally and Ray for comps.
Wayne Demilia shows up, looks a bit like an old lesbian at some angles. He gives a history of bodybuilding, particularly FBB.
Lenda Murray still looks good, she's here giving some insights.
Random fact - Ray claimed to eat 114 eggs a week. Sally bitches about how expensive it was to feed Ray. If they bought 8 steaks, Ray ate 5, leaving 3 for Sally and the kids.
Steroids and bigorexia talk. Demilia talks about steroid use, clean shows, and the push back they got from fans that wanted freaks. Sally's first cycle was Anavar. Sally never used test, fearing sides. Ray was using up their roid money. Sally would go on steroid runs to Mexico with the kids in their Firebird. Sally gets embarrassed by this, spazs for a little on the interviewer. Sally's got some crazy in those eyes still. Sally's now doing strength shows to support Ray.
Super schmoe Bill Wick (78 years old and still schmoing) broke her into schmoe wresting. Bill was FBB Kay Baxter's husband. He hated regular posing, so he started teaching them wrestling to get off. Bill wants you to know schmoe wresting isn't real, all staged (sidenote - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EZobdiJ4M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EZobdiJ4M)).
Ray knew. Bill and Sally got along well, and he paid her $50/hr. Sally liked schmoe work, and started her own schmoe film company called Top Secret Productions. First film was "Snow Job", a winter schmoe de force, where she wrestles in waist deep snow. "Adventures of Private Selena" is her marine one filmed on base.
FFwd to 1993, Sally looks good. More talk about pro FFB. Demilia, ESPN guys tactfully suggesting FBB's got ugly and can't sell to the masses. Demilia talks schmoes. Sally appreciates schmoes, won't degrade them by calling them that, claims schmoes were well mannered, never tried to go further. Blue collar schmoes treated her better than rich schmoes. Rich schmoes would show up stinky and dirty looking to wrestle. Charged the guys $300/hr. NY, Boston, Texas, Florida were big money states on schmoe tours.
Her daughter hates schomes, embarrassed by the whole thing.
1993 saw Sally spend $24,000 on Ray's prep. More backstory on Ray. His mother gave him to an aunt to raise, grew up dirt poor in North Carolina in very close to a tar paper shack according to Sally. Ray was supposedly molested multiple times by one of the aunt's friends.
Sally's kids claim Ray had a Jekyll and Hyde way about him.
Ray once gouged a man's eyes out in a bar fight as a bouncer. He enjoyed beating people up as a bouncer, but knew the cops, so they'd help him out. Confirmed by bodybuilder DJ Jeffers.
Talk of Ray beating Sally. Claims he was a fan of choking her, split her lip on the 3rd date. Broke her nose in front of the kids once. Sally claims physical abuse from her stepdad growing up, so she was semi-ok with it. Sally's son claims Ray would beat him when they were alone.
Christmas 1994 home movie shown with Ray joking that he can use the belt on the kids because he's their daddy. Stepson claims Ray was a fan of beating one kid in front of the other. Stepson grew to hate Ray. Kids wanted to leave, Sally made them stay.
Sally claims rape. Says Ray would tell her he owned every hole.
Next episode is the Murder.
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Rating - 3 1/2 Schmoes out of 5 - You'll enjoy it, but it might be a little lacking for the true aficionado, great for people new to the story.
He was a smooth talker 😃
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Wow! What a schmoenopsis! Parsh!
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Episode 2 -
Open on Sally looking extra hard. Asked if she's a murder, defiantly claims self defense.
Ffwd to 1995, clip of Sally, Ray and the kids at a New Year's party, she does the robot for a few seconds, a cute Micky Mouse clock is shown.
Claims Ray beat her worse around contest time, sorta pins them on roid rage from an upped dose. Sally started getting really nervous after Gordon Kimbrough choked his girlfriend to death, claimed she was going to move back east to Penn.
Valentine's 1995 -
Normal nice start to the day, Ray doesn't come home for hours, Sally starts to rage. Figures Ray is at Mccabe's, the local bar/club. Ray comes home as Sally is getting ready to go there to look. She claims he was 3 days away from comp, on 5 different steroids. Kids knew something was going to happen.
Sally tells ray he looks like shit and he won't place at all, he wasn't striated. He socks her, then chokes her, which the daughter runs in and sees. Sally runs to the bedroom and loads up the pump after breaking free. She really makes him out to be a monster while describing this. She shoots Ray, her daughter sees the second shot. Whole house fills with the smell of blood (coppery). Sally covers Ray with blanket, and passes the shot gun off to a neighbor so the cops don't shoot her.
Cop call plays, it's pretty matter of fact. You can hear the kids screaming something like "OMG, Daddy is dead" in the background. You can hear Ray trying to talk, it's muffled like a man speaking with food in his mouth, this scares the kids, they scream.
The kids reflect on it years later. The daughter is middle of the road, the boy really hated Ray.
Police interrogation is shown. The daughter is traumatized recounting the story of the beating, doesn't seem rehearsed. Sally claims she felt guilty, so she talked to the cops freely, wishes she lawyered up in hindsight. She's very plain and matter of fact recounting it on the interrogation tape most of the time. Does cry when she hears he's dead. Says she murdered him to the cops, reiterates that it was because of the beating. They formally arrest her, but let her see the kids once more. Kids are barefoot, it's a rough scene with her explaining that they have to go to foster care till they can work out send them to family in Penn.
Interview with the DA that prosecuted Sally. He was a tough, no nonsense guy. Saw no remorse in the interrogation. Clip plays of her taking a blanket and sleeping on the floor during the questioning. He claims that sorta sealed her guilt in his eyes. Sally just claims shock.
Sally's lawyer is interviewed. First order of business was to shrink Sally down so that she wasn't imposing. No clothes with shoulder pads, etc.... In the court footage, she looks as wide as him.
Judge was sympathetic, knocked her bail down to $100,000 from $1 million the DA asked for. Her lawyer explains how the schmoes paid it off, he seems amused. Sally is eternally grateful for them.
Kids were sent to the grandparents. They let it slip that Sally's parents were alcoholics that cleaned up, and took raising them as a second chance. Kids loved them.
Ray's stack at time of murder according to autopsy -
Test, Masteron, Deca, Halotestin, Anadrol, and Clen. Test/Epi of 32.
Sally had one, they don't say what it was, but she liked Anavar as mention.
DJ Jeffers thinks Ray was unfairly treated because he was black and big.
DA plays footage of 4-5 guys interviewed that said Sally was violent. One recounts story of Sally throwing dumbbells down at Ray and his car from a second floor balcony. He shows military and police record of bad conduct - fighting, drinking, resisting arrest, etc...
Kids admit Sally was wild. She'd joke that she'd wear big rings to dent people's heads:). Sally punched out the parents of the kids her kids had fights with, she beat the mailman. It took 5 cops to settle her down one time, she schmoe wrestled them to keep them at bay. She claims she was just under stress and protecting herself and family.
Most fights with Ray were because of cheating. Ray didn't care that she knew, he was banging tons of women. There friends were scared for Ray.
Bill Wick chimes in that he saw Sally fight at bodybuilding shows, most notably the 1990 Steel Rose contest. Sally saw a girl talking to Ray. She tossed the girl to the ground, punched her in the face while yelling "You fucked my husband". They banned her for 1 year.
Ray's friends say Sally was just place holder, he had a real girlfriend named Marianne Meyers(sp? on last name) Police recording with her is shown. She was with Ray for 3 1/2 years as a side piece. Sally banned her from Gold's, if Sally saw her there , it was on sight. Marianne took the warning.
She was who Ray was with on Valentine's. Ray, himself, was going to break up with Sally at some point in the year.
Sally is questioned about this by the film director, she rages. Whore, Slut, I'm his Wife, etc....
DA's theory is Sally knew it was ending, she lies in wait, shotguns him. Her lawyers says Sally was obsessed with Ray.
Flashback to Sally growing up in Allentown, PA (Sidenote, young Sally was one ugly fucking kid, egads).
Sally grow up in a mixed area, gravitated toward the black folks. Best friend mentions that Sally told her that Sally's mom was kicked in the stomach at 8 months pregnant with Sally. New stepfather resented caring for Sally, beat her, made her wear old clothes. Sally throw herself into sports to stay away from home. Parents spit on her for being a " N- lover". Couldn't pay for college after a certain point, so she joined the Marines. Tells the story of Tony, her Ex in the Marines before Ray. She has a thing for brooding black dudes. Claims he beat her too, she divorces him, transfers to Camp Pendleton, meets Ray.
Hilarious moment when she claims she was a good wife to him, except for the day she killed him. She was a bad wife that day.
End.
Next episode, the trial.
Rating -
3 pistol gripped pumps out of 5. Don't like the structure of this episode, and the bodybuilding mags and transcripts had more trashy info, but the archive footage saves it.
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Episode 3 -
Opens with Sally saying Ray chases her in her dreams years later.
Trial starts on Valentine's Day 1996 by design. DA wanted a lot of flash.
Sally in new interview portion claims that she's basically a plain, lovable dumb dumb that couldn't formula a murder like the DA proposed.
Lots of old reporting filler. "Hardcopy" reporter claims Sally had the misfortune to show up during a popular violent women news cycle - Amy Fisher, Bobbett, Tonya Harding, etc.... and the oddness of bodybuilding helped push it along ("Instead of pumping iron, she was pumping bullets into her husband.....").
Sally claims she should've gave tv interviews. The lawyer advised against it.
The tv reporting crushed the kids, but they liked seeing pictures of Sally.
Sally loads slugs, not buckshot in her gun. Ray would've died from first shot alone. The reload wasn't need, and screwed with her defense, the evidence according to the DA shows she ran back to the bedroom to reload, then shot him again. The first spent shell hull was found in the back bedroom.
They show pics of the room to show Ray was shot on the ground, huge amount of blood spatter inside the side of a table lamp, ie shooting down, spatter goes up.
Her attorney could see the jury's mood change when the second shot was mentioned. Best defense wasn't self defense at that point, but battered women's syndrome.
Daughter cried on witness stand. Lawyer and Judge stopped it, she wanted to testify more, but they wouldn't allow it. Son didn't testify.
Lawyer didn't want Sally to testify, she demanded it. He thought she showed no emotion. Very unsympathetic. DA was happy as a clam. Sally testifying allowed him to use a bunch of stuff that was ruled out previously - schmoe tapes, etc..... Her lawyer knew she was done then.
Jury deliberated 3 days, guilty 2nd degree murder. Some members (women) confirm it was the second shot that flipped it.
After a certain point, the kids wouldn't come out from Penn anymore to see her because it drained them too much. The daughter would just say she lost both her parents when people asked.
Son joined the Marines, became estranged for a few years.
They wouldn't parole her because she kept saying that she wasn't a murderer, but a battered woman. Was paroled when she admitted it was murder.
Sally had a Big Mac and shake as her first post prison meal. She got a job as a warehouse worker.
Daughter joined the Army, claims she's was a battered woman for a portion of her adult life too. Son's in Texas, did 5 combat tours in the Marines, and got hooked on something. He's in rehab, hopes to see Sally soon.
Sally's boyfriend (now husband) is Stuart, a fellow parolee she met. His friends are nervous:).
Sally likes techno.
The end.
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Rating 2 1/2ish Purple Thonged McNeil Dongs out of 5. Weakest episode. Lots of filler and social justice whining, but the shotgun evidence and the kids's stories were interesting.
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Thanks for spoiling all of it.
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Thanks for spoiling all of it.
Glad to be of service :)!
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is that a mosburgh model 88 ?
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is that a mosburgh model 88 ?
Just grabbed it from the internet, it's a Mossberg 500 Cruiser, 88 is basically the same, slightly plainer finish and a few tiny other things.
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Sally and Kelly Ryan should share a halfway house together and scissor each other’s brains out
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They should have posted a naked autopsy shot of Ray to confirm or deny the horse cock rumours
No nudes. But they must've heard the rumors, like 1/2 of the Ray photos and videos have major dong close ups.
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Sally and Kelly Ryan should share a halfway house together and scissor each other’s brains out
Sally's showing her age now a little. Up through about 2011 she was holding up well.
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Not going to read all of this as probably spoilers but waiting to watch tonight
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I still have on tape the episode of "American Muscle" I recorded during Christmas break in 1991. That has the footage of the 1991 North American Championship where Ray McNeil won the title and Sally and the kids are posing with Ray, as he stands with the overall title.
Side note - I can't believe Paul Gillett was "only" 240. That's when you know you got it like that, genetically. He looks WAY BIGGER THAN THAT!! He was a Mike Christian with legs. But, why do they keep switching footage of Dilllet at the North American and later at the 1993 Olympia?
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Ray ate over 100 eggs per day. Yeah… sure.
She said 114 a WEEK, which is about 16 per day. That's definitely feasible. 25 years ago, I was eating a dozen a day.....OK, I actually blended them up with milk and drank them. But, you get the point. ;D
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Wait ….. they fucking let her out?!???? A violent sociopath…. Who unloaded then reloaded on her husbands face …the fuck is wrong with this country?!?!??
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Wait ….. they fucking let her out?!???? A violent sociopath…. Who unloaded then reloaded on her husbands face …the fuck is wrong with this country?!?!??
Go say hello :) - https://www.facebook.com/sally.mcneil.5055 .
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Go say hello :) - https://www.facebook.com/sally.mcneil.5055 .
Jesus if that “ thing “ moved into my neighborhood…. .. a psychopathic killer …she needs to be locked away for the rest of her Miserable life!
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I’m sure she is working on writing bach’s 91st symphony …..
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“Oh, Sally. What have you done to that poor schmoe?”
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any mention of his ten inch cock entering her anus?
Save me reading it all..
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any mention of his ten inch cock entering her anus?
Save me reading it all..
None, and I was hawkishly waiting for it.
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I got through the first fifteen minutes of the first show.
Friends, never get with someone who says, “when I love, I give all of me.” The only people I’ve ever heard say that are fractured people.
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I've seen episode one and half of episode 2.
Aside from a few seedier details and the heartbreaking testimonies of her kids, this sounds almost EXACTLY like the interview of Sally McNeil in FLEX magazine (October 1996) that I have on my desk.
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when the police woman told her Ray was dead she asked her did she know what that meant
She replied "I murdered him"
Is that what you would say if it was self defence?
I think not
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Ray ate over 100 eggs per day. Yeah… sure.
116 per week
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Watching it now ……
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Sally McNeil's ex-husband abused her. Yet, no sooner than the divorce papers' ink dried than she was messing around with Ray.
You don't get involved in another relationship that quickly. Emotionally, you don't have time to heal and you end up with someone else just as bad as (if not worse than) your ex.
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He beat Paul Dillett at the North Americans ….. now Ray is onstage with Labrada …. I had no clue he was that good!
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Watching now
As a schmoe, do you have to let the woman win or can you dominate, just wondering?🤔
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Watching now
As a schmoe, do you have to let the woman win or can you dominate, just wondering?🤔
girl = always wins (that’s kinna the point these men want to be dominated)
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girl = always wins (that’s kinna the point these men want to be dominated)
Cool, just wondering.
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Watching now
As a schmoe, do you have to let the woman win or can you dominate, just wondering?🤔
girl = always wins (that’s kinna the point these men want to be dominated)
Yep, never seen a girl win. Some of the bigger FBBs let guys get rougher, but they never win. Usually the loss is by some sort of choke out -
Head lock, neck scissor, etc....
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Thanks BB........gonna definitely watch it.
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Jackasses walking around in spandex and string tank tops.
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Jackasses walking around in spandex and string tank tops.
Are we not supposed to still be doing this?
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Jackasses walking around in spandex and string tank tops.
That’s 95% of my wardrobe! ….
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That’s 95% of my wardrobe! ….
The other 5% is the uniform
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The other 5% is the uniform
Lol! Exactly! …. There are no such thing as “ non gym clothes!”
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After watching the documentary.
Well, Sally is definitely an aficionado of the jigga boo penis.
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He beat Paul Dillett at the North Americans ….. now Ray is onstage with Labrada …. I had no clue he was that good!
He was for a little while. Dillet wasn't quite cut enough; so Ray McNeil bested him at the North Americans.
He placed 15th at the 1993 Olympia but I don't think he qualified in 1994.
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She’s fucking crazy still! (They should NOT have let her out) … she might go take Flex’s other leg!
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Sally McNeil's ex-husband abused her. Yet, no sooner than the divorce papers' ink dried than she was messing around with Ray.
You don't get involved in another relationship that quickly. Emotionally, you don't have time to heal and you end up with someone else just as bad as (if not worse than) your ex.
Have you ever been a woman in an abusive relationship?
You’re using your logic and expecting an insane person to have the same type of emotional response?
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Have you ever been a woman in an abusive relationship?
You’re using your logic and expecting an insane person to have the same type of emotional response?
Somebody has to do so. Otherwise the cycle continues. Sally McNeil's mother was abused; Sally McNeil was abused; and, according to this series, McNeil's daughter, Shawntina, endured abuse for 3 years.
That's three generations of women, getting slapped around.
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I did not know either of them personally but as a Marine and living in the same place, I knew the same circle of people.
Ray attracted the girls and Sally attracted weirdos.
Ray may have had a short fuse but Sally’s was shorter.
It was no surprise to my friends when she killed him but more of a surprise he kept her around so long.
If Ray could have brought up his calves and tri’s, he would have been even more well known. His lower body just never matched his upper body.
McCabes used to be the place in Oceanside. My Marine buddy bounced there and I was there quite a bit. I remember Dennis Newmans ex used to work there. A lot of Jar Head fighting with locals when I was there. The girls were aggressive and wild. There was many times I left there at closing, drive back to base and then run 5-10 miles in the hills. Crazy times.
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Into second episode.
Some thoughts.
From Sally’s decisions, specifically to go for stay with Ray and then subject herself and children to violence and not flee, and her tone and affect, what appears to me is that she is dumb, like literally lowish-IQ dumb.
Listening to Ray in videotaped footage about his right to belt his children while smiling was highly disturbing.
I got all happy when I heard her describing his death by gunshots. Child abusers make me sick.
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1. Sally has a strong affinity for Hebrew men.
2. Schmoes are extremely loyal
3. Sally lied about the second shotgun blast to the face.
4. I feel sorry for those kids which are now adults.
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1. Sally has a strong affinity for Hebrew men.
2. Schmoes are extremely loyal
3. Sally lied about the second shotgun blast to the face.
4. I feel sorry for those kids which are now adults.
Poor girl pretty much guaranteed a lifetime of dating dindus, once she shit out her kids, as no sane white guy is gonna date her after that!
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Worth watching?
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Worth watching?
Yes.
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Worth watching?
Yes. There are parts that won't be that interesting to someone that's been in the bodybuilding scene (Eg the light tackling of schmoes and drug use by Demilia, etc....). And if you've read a lot about the murder before, some material will be old hat, but Sally's history, the kids, the real interviews with the Bill Wick, etc... and the archive footage saves it.
They've structured it so you can't really skip a part, and between all the episodes you'll have about 2 1/2 hours of watching. Where it's good it's very good, and where it's bad, it's ho-hum, but not enough to turn it off.
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1. Sally has a strong affinity for Hebrew men.
2. Schmoes are extremely loyal
3. Sally lied about the second shotgun blast to the face.
4. I feel sorry for those kids which are now adults.
he was on his hands and knees with his liver hanging out of his stomach when she unloaded into his face
The cop on the scene said he was missing all his bottom jaw and shook his head to say "no" when she said he was hitting her.
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Me: Can we watch something different on Netflix tonight?
Wife: What are you thinking?
Me: Well, it’s a murder documentary about an abusive 90’s bodybuilding couple
Wife: Ewww no!
Me. Oh……we never watch anything that I want.
Wife: That’s not true. You’ve got me watching Mad Men because you wanted to watch it.
Me: Yeah. You’re right.
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Yes.
Thanks. Watching now.
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Yes. There are parts that won't be that interesting to someone that's been in the bodybuilding scene (Eg the light tackling of schmoes and drug use by Demilia, etc....). And if you've read a lot about the murder before, some material will be old hat, but Sally's history, the kids, the real interviews with the Bill Wick, etc... and the archive footage saves it.
They've structured it so you can't really skip a part, and between all the episodes you'll have about 2 1/2 hours of watching. Where it's good it's very good, and where it's bad, it's ho-hum, but not enough to turn it off.
Thanks. I knew nothing about this case, so finding it very interesting so far.
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Do women's prisons have gangs like the men's where you join based on your race? Wonder if she joined the Aryans but maybe not...
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Do women's prisons have gangs like the men's where you join based on your race? Wonder if she joined the Aryans but maybe not...
Her application was promptly rejected due to copious amounts of BBC penetration in every orifice
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Anyone started or finished watching Killer Sally on Netflix?
I'm a few episodes in and it takes an in-depth look at the seedy underbelly that involves the world of schmoe'ism and the effects of jealousy and infidelity on relationships. I won't give too much away, but it's definitely interesting so far.
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There are a few friends that make special appearances in the series, one of which is my old buddy Wayne Demilia.
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Its only 3 episodes
shes batshit crazy and guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder
how she got 2nd degree is beyond me
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“ WAU “ Woman For Aryan Unity “ (and no she Would not be accepted lol) she would be targeted actually …
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Its only 3 episodes
shes batshit crazy and guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder
how she got 2nd degree is beyond me
The shooting wasn't pre-meditated. Ray whacked her first and was choking her out (probably to sodomize her afterward). She broke free, made it to the shotgun, and.....BLAM!!!
However, it was the second shot that doomed her. Had she just blasted him once, she would have got off due to self-defense.
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She's as dumb as a bag of hammers.
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She's as dumb as a bag of hammers.
It's the cycle of abuse. Her mom got slapped around; she got slapped around; her daughter got slapped around; her son slapped his wife around.
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It's the cycle of abuse. Her mom got slapped around; she got slapped around; her daughter got slapped around; her son slapped his wife around.
Generations of women who just won’t listen…
Bhank approves of this.
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I got through the first fifteen minutes of the first show.
Friends, never get with someone who says, “when I love, I give all of me.” The only people I’ve ever heard say that are fractured people.
She says that and then 30 minutes later says he raped her cause he would say every hole of her’s was his.
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Also Wayne seems to be wearing some pretty dirty socks in the interview.
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It was Valentine's Day. Ray was spending it with a new girl and planning a break with Sally. Sally was pissed. If she couldn't have him nobody would. The trap was set. It was 3 days before a contest for Ray. Sally told him he looked like crap, ect. They argue. Sally leaves. Sally grabs a shotgun and shoots Ray while he was cooking chicken. The fatal shot. He didn't see it coming. As he was down and dying she shoots him in the face. She calls 911, and tries to claim self defense. There wasn't a mark on her. She has an extensive history of violence. Jury doesn't buy it. Kids go to the other side of the country. Stop seeing her after a while. Many years go by. Kids have PTSD from military. Son is a drug addict that abused ex-wife. Daughter a mess as well. Sally gets out , marries another black man. Sally has no remorse. She just loves black cack.
Decent documentary. Most important fact, THE SCHMOES are a loyal bunch. Long live the schmoes!
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The shooting wasn't pre-meditated. Ray whacked her first and was choking her out (probably to sodomize her afterward). She broke free, made it to the shotgun, and.....BLAM!!!
However, it was the second shot that doomed her. Had she just blasted him once, she would have got off due to self-defense.
and you know this how?
She shot him in the back then went back to the bedroom unloaded and loaded the gun and came back and blew is face off (remember the first cartridge was found in the bedroom)
He likley told her he was leaving her so she killed him.
He was at the stove cooking food when she shot him in the back
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It was Valentine's Day. Ray was spending it with a new girl and planning a break with Sally. Sally was pissed. If she couldn't have him nobody would. The trap was set. It was 3 days before a contest for Ray. Sally told him he looked like crap, ect. They argue. Sally leaves. Sally grabs a shotgun and shoots Ray while he was cooking chicken. The fatal shot. He didn't see it coming. As he was down and dying she shoots him in the face. She calls 911, and tries to claim self defense. There wasn't a mark on her. She has an extensive history of violence. Jury doesn't buy it. Kids go to the other side of the country. Stop seeing her after a while. Many years go by. Kids have PTSD from military. Son is a drug addict that abused ex-wife. Daughter a mess as well. Sally gets out , marries another black man. Sally has no remorse. She just loves black cack.
Decent documentary. Most important fact, THE SCHMOES are a loyal bunch. Long live the schmoes!
There's something really off with the son. The way that he speaks, facial expressions, mannerisms....that kid is a sociopath for sure. For obvious reasons. But i didn't 'buy' his account whatsoever.
I'm sure Ray had a temper but it's pretty clear thst Sally wasn't just an innocent battered wife either.
What did you make of the story about Ray gouging some guys eyes out? Bullshit? The two old black dudes (Ray's dealer and training partner) sounded the most credible so far.... Im only halfway through the series but it's pretty good.
Side note: I was watching this with my wife. She doesn't give a shit about bodybuilding at all. Thinks it's pointless and gay.
1. At the beginning when Sally is describing how she got into bodybuilding and joined Golds Gym and said she and Ray loved watching Arnold's movies, my wife laughed out loud and said "oh my god! All you fucking meatheads are all the same!"
2. She's never followed bodybuilding and wouldn't know Lee Haney from Jay Cutler but as the clips of various contests and bodybuilders were shown the only one that she was impressed by was the brief shots of Dorian. She let out a knee-jerk "oh wow!"
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What did you make of the story about Ray gouging some guys eyes out? Bullshit? The two old black dudes (Ray's dealer and training partner) sounded the most credible so far.... Im only halfway through the series but it's pretty good.
I believe the story. Birds of a feather flock together. Sally and Ray were really messed up people. One died, the other was locked up for a quarter century. Society was better for it. Their kids really suffered. Lives are a mess.
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What did you make of the story about Ray gouging some guys eyes out? Bullshit? The two old black dudes (Ray's dealer and training partner) sounded the most credible so far.... Im only halfway through the series but it's pretty good.
I think it happened, but probably wasn't as bad as they said. Cops wouldn't be able to cover up a real blinding eye gouge. With something like that there'd be police reports, perhaps lawsuit records, etc.... I think he probably really did hurt the guy, but not to the point of blinding him, and the rest was a game of telephone.
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her son has a Patrick Bateman vibe going on....
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her son has a Patrick Bateman vibe going on....
3 things...
The way he speaks definitely screams mental health disorder.
At the end of the series, when Sally is walked down the aisle by her son, I thought it was a nice way to come full circle given that they almost made it seem as if she and her son hadn't had a chance to see each other in person.
Sally does have a strong affinity towards Hebrew men.
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3 things...
The way he speaks definitely screams mental health disorder.
At the end of the series, when Sally is walked down the aisle by her son, I thought it was a nice way to come full circle given that they almost made it seem as if she and her son hadn't had a chance to see each other in person.
Sally does have a strong affinity towards Hebrew men.
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So many ruined souls and wasted potential.
Sally was so athletic, she seems like a natural born athlete, the way she somersaults into the swimming pool, how easily she perform splits and wrestling moves is impressive.
She used to be pretty before diving deep into test,
I don’t think she is stupid or something, just product of a broken family, abused from early age with no emotional nurturing.
Ray was the dumb one but seems to possess wild animal kind of charisma.
I never liked his weird biceps and high calves but guy had thick back and crazy traps screaming power, maybe he wrestled or something.
Sally’s children were also seems like natural athletes, too bad daughter end up being a chubster, that junkie looking son has broad shoulders and good definition though.
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So many ruined souls and wasted potential.
Sally was so athletic, she seems like a natural born athlete, the way she somersaults into the swimming pool, how easily she perform splits and wrestling moves is impressive.
She used to be pretty before diving deep into test,
I don’t think she is stupid or something, just product of a broken family, abused from early age with no emotional nurturing.
Ray was the dumb one but seems to possess wild animal kind of charisma.
I never liked his weird biceps and high calves but guy had thick back and crazy traps screaming power, maybe he wrestled or something.
Sally’s children were also seems like natural athletes, too bad daughter end up being a chubster, that junkie looking son has broad shoulders and good definition though.
Said she only used Anavar.
And warned that women who use Test can develop male-pattern baldness and usually a deeper voice.
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Said she only used Anavar.
And warned that women who use Test can develop male-pattern baldness and usually a deeper voice.
I didn’t buy it, she has deep voice and Lenda Murray and Kim Chev. still full head of hair.
She is among top as far as genetics go, but I really think she did what it takes to be a competitive bber
She was masculine even when she was a teenager but after bbing her jawline seemed to expand and stayed that way.
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now she looks like she could be working behind the counter at a fish and chip shop
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now she looks like she could be working behind the counter at a fish and chip shop
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4, 1, 5….
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This “new” girlfriend wasn’t new. Ray had several girls while married to Sally. Sally was a hot mess. Always fighting everyone and anyone in her way. She had a huge history of physical violence. Ray was a woman abuser but was not in anyway not fights every weekend like Sally was. Ray may have gotten into an occasional physical altercation like many of us but he was not one looking for fights. He was more of an easy going guy looking to party.
I was not friends with Ray but was friends that were closer to his old inner circle back in the Corps. They ALL warned him to get away from Sally but she was a cash cow but not a wealthy one. She would just give him every dime she had and some guys have a hard time giving that up because it means he could do less and worry about himself more and having fun.
I seriously doubt Sally could ever change who she is. She has patterns that are just part of who she is. It’s unfortunate she’s out. The second shot to the face at close range while he begged for his life is why she should have never gotten out. She had other choices that night and one of them is to not even be there. She chose to be there because she wanted the fight that night.
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Side note: I was watching this with my wife. She doesn't give a shit about bodybuilding at all. Thinks it's pointless and gay.
Well that's just like, her opinion, man....
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So many ruined souls and wasted potential.
Sally was so athletic, she seems like a natural born athlete, the way she somersaults into the swimming pool, how easily she perform splits and wrestling moves is impressive.
She used to be pretty before diving deep into test,
I don’t think she is stupid or something, just product of a broken family, abused from early age with no emotional nurturing.
Ray was the dumb one but seems to possess wild animal kind of charisma.
I never liked his weird biceps and high calves but guy had thick back and crazy traps screaming power, maybe he wrestled or something.
Sally’s children were also seems like natural athletes, too bad daughter end up being a chubster, that junkie looking son has broad shoulders and good definition though.
Solid post.
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Both Sally and Ray used to watch anything that had Arnold in it , same goes for Titus and Kelly …while Bertil Fox was seeing training with Arnold more than once in CA during the early 80’s……
Coincidence ? I think not !
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Both Sally and Ray used to watch anything that had Arnold in it , same goes for Titus and Kelly …while Bertil Fox was seeing training with Arnold more than once in CA during the early 80’s……
Coincidence ? I think not !
You know what, Arnold in his prime could get away with murder :)
Hell he could even be America’s favorite serial killer!
Thank god he kill it in the competitions, otherwise Sergio Olivia may end up suspiciously missing 😎
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OK …. I just finished it ……was weird for me to see her as an old lady getting married at the end ….I mean the guy was mumbling “ I don’t feel so good” with half his jaw and teeth blown off! I don’t have much sympathy for Sally McNeil
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Wish I could see pics of the crime scene showing the fucker Ray’s blown up face and organs hanging out of his body
Two psychopaths that deserved each other, would have been a better ending if all of them offed each other, including the kids, since now they are fucked and reproducing with more kids that are a waste of oxygen
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Could have sworn getbig and getbiggers coined the term “schmoes” ;D
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Didn't watch
Don't care
She should Never have been let out of Prison
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I fear for the new black husband’s health
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Ray posing onstage https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ckrc7OJKThV/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ckrc7OJKThV/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
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OK …. I just finished it ……was weird for me to see her as an old lady getting married at the end ….I mean the guy was mumbling “ I don’t feel so good” with half his jaw and teeth blown off! I don’t have much sympathy for Sally McNeil
When watching anything when she speaks, remember she’s a psychopath. Watch her eyes, her posture and her overall mannerism.
She should not be free. That could have been you on the other end of her shotgun.
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Anyone who knew them from back in the day knows sally killed Ray out of jealousy and whilst he might have hit her, she started nearly every arguement, and would have been throwing hands first in a jealous rage, did he bang everything white female and with a heart beat, you bet, but he was always like that and so were all the other high test brutha hood rats, just a jealous mud shark. She murdered him, and traumatised her kids with her own steroid use and behaviour. He was no saint but She's no victim.
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When watching anything when she speaks, remember she’s a psychopath. Watch her eyes, her posture and her overall mannerism.
She should not be free. That could have been you on the other end of her shotgun.
Thanks for your take on Sally, but is it possible for a psychopath or an asd person to let her companion exploit her physically and financially?
Here is my take, she hasn't seen love and been abused in her formative years, and I guess her natural temperament was also highly impulsive to begin with, but that doesn't mean she is a psychopath, I believe she has above average IQ but definitely not a high functioning psychopath or something.
Her lousy parents wasted an otherwise a gifted athlete and a possible PE teacher.
I try to nurture my son best way I can, if the love, care and support isn't there no amount of potential can turn in to a wisdom without wisdom personality just decays.
P.S: I admit, I would be one of the schmoes who would be contributing her 100k bail 😂
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The only thing I liked about Sally is that she paid for Ray’s steroids. That’s about it. (Other than her ass, high dive skills and schmoe squishing talent)
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Sorry for late responce
One thing YOU players must learn from this sad story ......
No matter how much of a player you are, YOU DONT CHEAT on Valentine's day (you don't need to take your wife out If you're not in to her no more ) but you Don't go out cheating on your wife !...... specially when shes the one paying your F bills for the last 8 years .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH TA NY
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When watching anything when she speaks, remember she’s a psychopath. Watch her eyes, her posture and her overall mannerism.
She should not be free. That could have been you on the other end of her shotgun.
If you don't cheat on your wife, slap her around, and sodomize her, then you probably won't be on the other end of that shotgun.
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Hanky do you keep any shotguns in the house?
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I still have on tape the episode of "American Muscle" I recorded during Christmas break in 1991. That has the footage of the 1991 North American Championship where Ray McNeil won the title and Sally and the kids are posing with Ray, as he stands with the overall title.
Side note - I can't believe Paul Gillett was "only" 240. That's when you know you got it like that, genetically. He looks WAY BIGGER THAN THAT!! He was a Mike Christian with legs. But, why do they keep switching footage of Dilllet at the North American and later at the 1993 Olympia?
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What is Getbig's view of Ray McNeil as a bodybuilder?
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What is Getbig's view of Ray McNeil as a bodybuilder?
It wasn't going to get better than 7th at a random grand prix.. He didn't seem to have the connections or the money to "up the dose." Given the highly competitive era and the limited number of pro cards given out at that time Id ssy he was lucky to be pro. His physique was weird. Barrel chested with kind of oblong arms and no lower legs. Chest and back were thick but nothing spectacular.
At that particular time I remember he was best known for being married to Sally , the husband/wife team. I don't think he had a lot of momentum at the time his life ended.
According to Sally he looked like shit going into his next contest that he never made it to.
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What about his extremely high and bulbous calves, were they transplants???
He is an example of how important genetics were at the time, he had great genetics but 90's seen the deepest roster in the pro circuit.
He was cartoonish for the general public but only a mediocre pro.
He would be better off with a less aggressive sugar momma with a deeper pocket than Sally.
Maybe Sally was the best combination for him, reasonably hot and shared his passion for bbing.
Too bad she was also a bit trigger happy.
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Just got around to watching the first episode last night.....it`s not hardly worth binge watching even if it is about bodybuilding.
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Just got around to watching the first episode last night.....it`s not hardly worth binge watching even if it is about bodybuilding.
I made it through the series but other than seeing them talk about schmoes it was just another documentary about a murder.
Sad seeing the cycle of abuse repeat through the generations.
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What is Getbig's view of Ray McNeil as a bodybuilder?
During his era, his arms were way too weak in order to compete with Levrone, Wheeler, Francois, Clairmonte, or Baker.
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It wasn't going to get better than 7th at a random grand prix.. He didn't seem to have the connections or the money to "up the dose." Given the highly competitive era and the limited number of pro cards given out at that time Id ssy he was lucky to be pro. His physique was weird. Barrel chested with kind of oblong arms and no lower legs. Chest and back were thick but nothing spectacular.
At that particular time I remember he was best known for being married to Sally , the husband/wife team. I don't think he had a lot of momentum at the time his life ended.
According to Sally he looked like shit going into his next contest that he never made it to.
During his era, his arms were way too weak in order to compete with Levrone, Wheeler, Francois, Clairmonte, or Baker.
It’s almost shocking he earned a pro card with such an odd physique.
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I made it through the series but other than seeing them talk about schmoes it was just another documentary about a murder.
Sad seeing the cycle of abuse repeat through the generations.
I agree....I`m gonna` finish watching just because, it but it ain`t "The Godfather" by a long shot. :D
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It wasn't going to get better than 7th at a random grand prix.. He didn't seem to have the connections or the money to "up the dose." Given the highly competitive era and the limited number of pro cards given out at that time Id ssy he was lucky to be pro. His physique was weird. Barrel chested with kind of oblong arms and no lower legs. Chest and back were thick but nothing spectacular.
He did make it to the 1993 Olympia, via a 2nd-place finish at the Niagra Falls Pro Invitational. At the O, he barely made the top 15.
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Ray was a mediocre Pro ( No kid had his poster hanging on their wall) add in that Ray wore a “ hair piece “ and it was pretty much a wrap for poor Ray …. Most of the time he hid it with a bandanna or a headband
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Ray was a mediocre Pro ( No kid had his poster hanging on their wall) add in that Ray wore a “ hair piece “ and it was pretty much a wrap for poor Ray …. Most of the time he hid it with a bandanna or a headband
I’m surprised Sally didn’t comment on the piece
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I’m surprised Sally didn’t comment on the piece
She did on the “ Flex online interview “ said Ray was very self conscious of it … bro any more videos on the way yet?? * Sally said it was glued on ..
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She dud the “ Flex online interview “ said Ray was very self conscious of it … bro any more videos on the way yet??
Nah I’m a retired filmmaker nowadays :D Couldn’t let it get in the way of work, EATING and TRAINING! The building where my gym is located might be selling, so I might be running into you more often :D Wondering if LA is going to run any Black Friday sales although I hate LA. Still like to have them as an option since they’re everywhere
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Nah I’m a retired filmmaker nowadays :D Couldn’t let it get in the way of work, EATING and TRAINING!
Alright then…. We have to film some content for GetBig then (some training ) .. while I still look halfway decent! Lol
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Alright then…. We have to film some content for GetBig then (some training ) .. while I still look halfway decent! Lol
Hahaha yes!
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Was hard to watch the entire show.
I don't feel too bad for her and i don't believe her story.
She was an abusive trainwreck. Probably antagonized men until they beat her and played the victim. I've met women like this before.
Everything about her is a red flag of mental illness.
Tried to blame it on steroids.
She knew from the beginning he was seeing multiple women.
Wish she got the death penalty.
Self-defense my ass.
She got away with it because he was a kneegrow.
And he had a massive cock.
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It wasn't going to get better than 7th at a random grand prix.. He didn't seem to have the connections or the money to "up the dose." Given the highly competitive era and the limited number of pro cards given out at that time Id ssy he was lucky to be pro. His physique was weird. Barrel chested with kind of oblong arms and no lower legs. Chest and back were thick but nothing spectacular.
At that particular time I remember he was best known for being married to Sally , the husband/wife team. I don't think he had a lot of momentum at the time his life ended.
According to Sally he looked like shit going into his next contest that he never made it to.
Of course he looked like shit going into his contest he didn’t make it to, his jaw and lower face were gone, and his organs were spilling out of his stomach
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Was hard to watch the entire show.
I don't feel too bad for her and i don't believe her story.
She was an abusive trainwreck. Probably antagonized men until they beat her and played the victim. I've met women like this before.
Everything about her is a red flag of mental illness.
Tried to blame it on steroids.
She knew from the beginning he was seeing multiple women.
Wish she got the death penalty.
Self-defense my ass.
She got away with it because he was a kneegrow.
And he had a massive cock.
I would compare cocks with him if he was still alive
Sally should have blew off his cock with the shotgun
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I’m surprised Sally didn’t comment on the piece
She did on the “ Flex online interview “ said Ray was very self conscious of it … bro any more videos on the way yet?? * Sally said it was glued on ..
Ray should've gone bald with a durag in the off season, he could've pulled off the durag look.
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She did on the “ Flex online interview “ said Ray was very self conscious of it … bro any more videos on the way yet?? * Sally said it was glued on ..
You are correct.
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Nah I’m a retired filmmaker nowadays :D Couldn’t let it get in the way of work, EATING and TRAINING! The building where my gym is located might be selling, so I might be running into you more often :D Wondering if LA is going to run any Black Friday sales although I hate LA. Still like to have them as an option since they’re everywhere
Just use my gym/ fuck LA Fitness (it’s a nightclub without the booze!) …
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Of course he looked like shit going into his contest he didn’t make it to, his jaw and lower face were gone, and his organs were spilling out of his stomach
LMFAO. ;D
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All the guys here calling Sally a murderer, do you know black men are statistically more likely to beat up their wives? That's cold hard facts for ya. So looks like Sally was speaking the truth all along
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Ray was a mediocre Pro ( No kid had his poster hanging on their wall) add in that Ray wore a “ hair piece “ and it was pretty much a wrap for poor Ray …. Most of the time he hid it with a bandanna or a headband
WOW,,how the hell did he turn pro ?he wasn't not only weak armed ,no calves,condition was ok .had good back really thats it,legs were eh...
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WOW,,how the hell did he turn pro ?he wasn't not only weak armed ,no calves,condition was ok .had good back really thats it,legs were eh...
I thought the same thing. Dude had the arms of your average geared gym rat!
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All the guys here calling Sally a murderer, do you know black men are statistically more likely to beat up their wives? That's cold hard facts for ya. So looks like Sally was speaking the truth all along
Are you saying he deserved to die because he was black or because Sally couldn't take a punch from a real man (dont forget she really abused those innocent schmoe's).
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Are you saying he deserved to die because he was black or because Sally couldn't take a punch from a real man (dont forget she really abused those innocent schmoe's).
I was saying, Ray was no angel and was very likely beating Sally up. To add to that he was living off her like a parasite, telling her to sacrifice her dreams and cheating with multiple women. I would not blame Sally even if this was a premeditated murder
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I was saying, Ray was no angel and was very likely beating Sally up. To add to that he was living off her like a parasite, telling her to sacrifice her dreams and cheating with multiple women. I would not blame Sally even if this was a premeditated murder
I see what you’re saying; Ray deserved to die because he was a cheat, hand a mediocre physique for a 90’s era professional, violent, cooked chicken breast on the stovetop, didn’t have career and wasn’t a supportive husband but do you really think Sally was a good wife?
But let’s at least look at the facts. Sally spent a decade as a military employee. And the results of Rays death would indicate she wasn’t a very good marine, as it took two blasts from a shotgun at point blank range and several hours to kill Ray. She couldn’t even master the most basic skill of killing her “enemy” after a decade of being focused on that very specific skillset. She was a horrific shooter.
I’d also like to point out Ray was her second husband after her first marriage ended in divorce.
Based on that information alone what makes you think she was even a serviceable wife, let alone a good one?
Also based on the amount of illegal male hormones Sally was on she was more man than woman so I’d say you’re looking at this all wrong.
I’m going out on a limb here and I’m going to say Ray was the real victim in this situation.
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Had Sally been born 30 years later she’d be the UFC champ today!
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I see what you’re saying; Ray deserved to die because he was a cheat, hand a mediocre physique for a 90’s era professional, violent, cooked chicken breast on the stovetop, didn’t have career and wasn’t a supportive husband but do you really think Sally was a good wife?
But let’s at least look at the facts. Sally spent a decade as a military employee. And the results of Rays death would indicate she wasn’t a very good marine, as it took two blasts from a shotgun at point blank range and several hours to kill Ray. She couldn’t even master the most basic skill of killing her “enemy” after a decade of being focused on that very specific skillset. She was a horrific shooter.
I’d also like to point out Ray was her second husband after her first marriage ended in divorce.
Based on that information alone what makes you think she was even a serviceable wife, let alone a good one?
Also based on the amount of illegal male hormones Sally was on she was more man than woman so I’d say you’re looking at this all wrong.
I’m going out on a limb here and I’m going to say Ray was the real victim in this situation.
Sally was MORE than a good wife. She was the best wife one can ever get. She sacrificed her bodybuilding dreams because Ray wanted her to spend money on his training, she smuggled drugs from Tijuana Mexico in America just for Ray and she travelled the country wrestling people so she could get more money for Ray. Sally ignored Ray's numerous affairs. In fact I envy Ray that Ray got such a devoted wife.
How did Ray repay her?
- never got a job
- continued his affairs
- siphoned off her money for 8 years (like a parasite) then wanted to leave her for another woman
Even if Sally murdered him, it was okay
BTW I wonder why she only dated blacks. Her first BF in 9th grade was black, her first husband was black, Ray Mcneill was black. Heck even after getting out of prison she married a black guy. Why?
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Sally was MORE than a good wife. She was the best wife one can ever get. She sacrificed her bodybuilding dreams because Ray wanted her to spend money on his training, she smuggled drugs from Tijuana Mexico in America just for Ray and she travelled the country wrestling people so she could get more money for Ray. Sally ignored Ray's numerous affairs. In fact I envy Ray that Ray got such a devoted wife.
How did Ray repay her?
- never got a job
- continued his affairs
- siphoned off her money for 8 years (like a parasite) then wanted to leave her for another woman
Even if Sally murdered him, it was okay
BTW I wonder why she only dated blacks. Her first BF in 9th grade was black, her first husband was black, Ray Mcneill was black. Heck even after getting out of prison she married a black guy. Why?
Read your last paragraph. Sally couldn't be the victim. She was a filthy mudshshark with her mudblood brood. You can't blame Ray. A dog is always going to be a dog
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Sally was MORE than a good wife. She was the best wife one can ever get. She sacrificed her bodybuilding dreams because Ray wanted her to spend money on his training, she smuggled drugs from Tijuana Mexico in America just for Ray and she travelled the country wrestling people so she could get more money for Ray. Sally ignored Ray's numerous affairs. In fact I envy Ray that Ray got such a devoted wife.
How did Ray repay her?
- never got a job
- continued his affairs
- siphoned off her money for 8 years (like a parasite) then wanted to leave her for another woman
Even if Sally murdered him, it was okay
BTW I wonder why she only dated blacks. Her first BF in 9th grade was black, her first husband was black, Ray Mcneill was black. Heck even after getting out of prison she married a black guy. Why?
Ray was a bouncer, in addition to being an ifbb pro. He had 2 jobs. That's a fact.
Sally was not a good wife. She spent $24,000 on anabolic's so Ray could finish 15th at the Olympia. A good wife would never let their spouse finish so badly. She obviously didn't understand that he either a) didn't have the generics for the sport or b) needed another $20k to prep for Olympia. She was dumb.
You ask why she likes black men, I'll ask why you still lust for Sally. You cant explain why schmoe squats turn you on, but you know why Sally liking other races makes you angry. Why cant you be honest with yourself?
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Ray was a bouncer, in addition to being an ifbb pro. He had 2 jobs. That's a fact.
Sally was not a good wife. She spent $24,000 on anabolic's so Ray could finish 15th at the Olympia. A good wife would never let their spouse finish so badly. She obviously didn't understand that he either a) didn't have the generics for the sport or b) needed another $20k to prep for Olympia. She was dumb.
You ask why she likes black men, I'll ask why you still lust for Sally. You cant explain why schmoe squats turn you on, but you know why Sally liking other races makes you angry. Why cant you be honest with yourself?
Ray USED to work as a bouncer. Even in the Netflix documentary his friends say "Ray had no job" and "Sally used to earn more money". IFBB Pro? Puhleese...... that was the 90s. Even the Olympia winner used to take away only $100K-$150K back then.
Why don't you admit Ray was a parasite who liked to live off somebody else's money and abuse them at the same time?
And I don't care about Sally's affinity to black men (since I am neither black nor white). I just find it strange that she dated blacks when it was seriously taboo. She didn't find one guy of her own race attractive/worthy in 40+ years of dating? Strange
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Ray USED to work as a bouncer. Even in the Netflix documentary his friends say "Ray had no job" and "Sally used to earn more money". IFBB Pro? Puhleese...... that was the 90s. Even the Olympia winner used to take away only $100K-$150K back then.
Why don't you admit Ray was a parasite who liked to live off somebody else's money and abuse them at the same time?
And I don't care about Sally's affinity to black men (since I am neither black nor white). I just find it strange that she dated blacks when it was seriously taboo. She didn't find one guy of her own race attractive/worthy in 40+ years of dating? Strange
You do care that Sally loves black men.
You keep bringing it up.
No else even mentioned Ray being black but you keep talking about. Why do love white muscle women so much? Stick with your own women and don’t be racist.
Sally was abusive. Wrestling schmoes was not a job. It was a form of prostitution, you could say Ray was her employer. As her manager that was a job.
Plus he was raising her kids while she was traveling the country wrestling the perverts. Being a stay at home dad is a career.
You’re a very messed up person with your antiquated sexist racist thoughts.
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...Stick with your own women and don’t be racist.
*How to contradict yourself in one sentence-101*
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I watched this...black loving whore >:(
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Ray USED to work as a bouncer. Even in the Netflix documentary his friends say "Ray had no job" and "Sally used to earn more money". IFBB Pro? Puhleese...... that was the 90s. Even the Olympia winner used to take away only $100K-$150K back then.
Why don't you admit Ray was a parasite who liked to live off somebody else's money and abuse them at the same time?
And I don't care about Sally's affinity to black men (since I am neither black nor white). I just find it strange that she dated blacks when it was seriously taboo. She didn't find one guy of her own race attractive/worthy in 40+ years of dating? Strange
The documentary mentioned her having a black boyfriend in 9th grade and her parents getting angry about it. Maybe she did it at first to piss them off and then ended up going black and never going back. ;D
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*How to contradict yourself in one sentence-101*
I’m assuming you’re a (lesbian) woman? I apologize if you are not. Your whole stance is very confusing if you’re not a woman.
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He's not that good. At all.
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According to Sally he looked like shit going into his next contest that he never made it to.
Well - a blown up gut was still acceptable back then; he would have blended in well. Technically, she did him a favour. Not sure about the missing jaw although I suspect that wouldn't have been an issue judging wise. He would have nailed the death face - even surpassed Dorian's, in my humble opinion.
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guy would likely have suffered the same fate as McCarver if he had made it through the incident because he couldnt chew his food.
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like alot of BBer's,,, Ray looked better a week out or a week after..no homo... he was a strong bastard, Sally was no slouch either. Trained occasionally with them at the DelMar (21 area) gym on Camp Pendleton .... never hung around them except the gym... sucked for the kids... that's shit that never goes away...
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Ray USED to work as a bouncer. Even in the Netflix documentary his friends say "Ray had no job" and "Sally used to earn more money". IFBB Pro? Puhleese...... that was the 90s. Even the Olympia winner used to take away only $100K-$150K back then.
Why don't you admit Ray was a parasite who liked to live off somebody else's money and abuse them at the same time?
And I don't care about Sally's affinity to black men (since I am neither black nor white). I just find it strange that she dated blacks when it was seriously taboo. She didn't find one guy of her own race attractive/worthy in 40+ years of dating? Strange
No. Sally McNeil stated (at least in the FLEX interview from 1996) that she had white boyfriends before she met Ray. In fact, (per her words) Ray didn't care if white dudes hollered at her all day long. He would only get jealous if other black men talked to Sally.
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I’m surprised Sally didn’t comment on the piece
She did in the FLEX interview. She claimed his hair almost fell out completely shortly after he won the North American and that the person who put on his toupee used the wrong type of adhesive and it burned his scalp.
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She did in the FLEX interview. She claimed his hair almost fell out completely shortly after he won the North American and that the person who put on his toupee used the wrong type of adhesive and it burned his scalp.
:D :D :D :D
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No. Sally McNeil stated (at least in the FLEX interview from 1996) that she had white boyfriends before she met Ray. In fact, (per her words) Ray didn't care if white dudes hollered at her all day long. He would only get jealous if other black men talked to Sally.
Well they didn't show that in the Netflix documentary.... BTW do you have any link to that Flex interview?
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He's not that good. At all.
HAIR is painted on here and fluffed with filler like s ray did before shaving it.
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What about Shawn Ray’s flattop?
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What about Shawn Ray’s flattop?
glued on
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She did in the FLEX interview. She claimed his hair almost fell out completely shortly after he won the North American and that the person who put on his toupee used the wrong type of adhesive and it burned his scalp.
Should've paid attention to Generation Iron's "Wig Minute with Mike O'hearn" :-\ -
(https://i.postimg.cc/qMt0CYPp/Mike-oheran-drug-testing.jpg).
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I don’t know any to besmirch the good name of Sally McNeil but has anyone considered the possibility that she may have played a role in Ray’s balding?
Maybe she put a undetected hair remover in his shampoo?
I know it seems like I’m reaching with this, but are really supposed to believe Ray was balding by 25 due to a genetic pre disposition?
If Sally was willing to take this man’s life surely she would be willing to first take his hair to cause him shame and embarrassment.
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I don’t know any to besmirch the good name of Sally McNeil but has anyone considered the possibility that she may have played a role in Ray’s balding?
Maybe she put a undetected hair remover in his shampoo?
I know it seems like I’m reaching with this, but are really supposed to believe Ray was balding by 25 due to a genetic pre disposition?
If Sally was willing to take this man’s life surely she would be willing to first take his hair to cause him shame and embarrassment.
Lots of people start balding in the mid-20s. Using anabolics doesn't help matters, either.
How many bodybuilders have you seen shave their heads completely bald, after having a full head of hair just a few years earlier?
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If she was in a relationship with Titus who would have died first?
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Lots of people start balding in the mid-20s. Using anabolics doesn't help matters, either.
How many bodybuilders have you seen shave their heads completely bald, after having a full head of hair just a few years earlier?
White knight McWeigh.
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White knight McWeigh.
I am neither.
Why would Sally try to shame Ray, when she nearly drove herself into poverty to help him turn pro?
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Well they didn't show that in the Netflix documentary.... BTW do you have any link to that Flex interview?
Not at the moment. If you can find Medford, she has the pdf copy of that article that I sent her over 15 years ago.
Or, I might be able to retrieve it, if it's still in my PMs here.
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Not bad at all
Poor schmoe’s flex wheeler in that shot
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If she was in a relationship with Titus who would have died first?
Titus would have put this bitch in her place, he’s no simp
He wouldn’t need a shotgun, would have killed her with his bare hands
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Titus would have put this bitch in her place, he’s no simp
He wouldn’t need a shotgun, would have killed her with his bare hands
Ray tried to kill her with his bare hands but failed; Sally got the shotgun......you know the rest.
Titus killed a regular girl; and he needed his swole wife's help to do it.
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After watching this series I have to conclude everything hinges on reloading the shotgun and taking the kill shot, her self defense argument gets thrown out the window after that. I really hated that smug prosecutor though.
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I am neither.
Why would Sally try to shame Ray, when she nearly drove herself into poverty to help him turn pro?
Good point.
She loved him so much she blew his face off before killing him.
She is the literal definition of devotion.
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Just watched the episode. Sally strikes me as an obsessive control bitch that was frustrated that all she did for Ray wasn't enough to keep him faithful.
Ray himself wasn't very good as a BBer so at some point, they were going to have to face reality and then what? His back and traps were decent, but other than that his arms and legs was weak. And those pointy tits were developing much to fast. You would have thought he would have had the gland removed.
He would not have won a state level show today with that physique.
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Good point.
She loved him so much she blew his face off before killing him.
She is the literal definition of devotion.
Well, Ray McNeil doesn't exactly emote visions of Ward Cleaver with his cheating on her, slapping her around, choking her, and ramming her up the booty with his reportedly 10" schlong.
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What about Shawn Ray’s flattop?
Shawn Ray McNeil
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Just watched the episode. Sally strikes me as an obsessive control bitch that was frustrated that all she did for Ray wasn't enough to keep him faithful.
They were both jerks. Unfortunately, it's that cycle of abuse. Again, Sally's mom got beat up; then, it was Sally; later her daughter, Shawntina, got whacked around.
Ray himself wasn't very good as a BBer so at some point, they were going to have to face reality and then what? His back and traps were decent, but other than that his arms and legs was weak. And those pointy tits were developing much to fast. You would have thought he would have had the gland removed.
He would not have won a state level show today with that physique.
I wouldn't go that far, in terms of Ray as a bodybuilder. I don't know if he competed in 1992. If he didn't, that means his rookie year was actually 1993 and he made it to the Olympia and placed 15th. That's pretty good.
As someone mentioned earlier, he beat Paul Dillett in the Heavyweight class at the North American in 1991. Yet, Dillett got a Weider contract shortly before or after he won the North American in 1992; whereas McNeil did not.
Remember that it took Ronnie Coleman a while, before he started to catch fire. Ray McNeil (wife-beater status, notwithstanding) had the potential to do the same. To put it in perspective, McNeil made it the 1993 Olympia; Coleman did not.
But, when you Ike-Turner your wife and get SHOT as a result, it derails your contest prep just a bit.
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Lmao! This explains his perpetual use of headbands and other headwear. Come contest time, he was on edge because there was no way to hide the forehead support strap. Because of this 5 days out, he was a live wire. A loose cannon who needed to bust a Valentine’s Day nut to get his mind off the aggressive alopecia. I bet Sally said something about this that triggered the beating.
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Sally McNeil claimed she paid $1400 for Ray's hairpiece.
"I don’t know any to besmirch the good name of Sally McNeil but has anyone considered the possibility that she may have played a role in Ray’s balding?
Maybe she put a undetected hair remover in his shampoo?
I know it seems like I’m reaching with this, but are really supposed to believe Ray was balding by 25 due to a genetic pre disposition?
If Sally was willing to take this man’s life surely she would be willing to first take his hair to cause him shame and embarrassment.
From the FLEX article, October 1996, page 240:
"He used Anadrol with Winstrol-V and lost it (his hair) within a month. He won the North America, and a month later, he was almost totally bald. He flipped right out.
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Sally McNeil claimed she paid $1400 for Ray's hairpiece.
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From the FLEX article, October 1996, page 240:
"He used Anadrol with Winstrol-V and lost it (his hair) within a month. He won the North America, and a month later, he was almost totally bald. He flipped right out.
he didn't think steroids had side effects lol..'flipped out'
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he didn't think steroids had side effects lol..'flipped out'
In the documentary, Sally says female bodybuilders should NOT use testosterone. Per the FLEX article, she only used nandrolone deconate. "I wasn't the important one; I got the leftovers" (page 234)
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Well, Ray McNeil doesn't exactly emote visions of Ward Cleaver with his cheating on her, slapping her around, choking her, and ramming her up the booty with his reportedly 10" schlong.
No one ever insinuated Ray was a good husband. The man was a professional bodybuilder and everyone is saying how bad his physique was and he should have never been a pro.
My point remains,it’s not out of line to at least suggest Sally could have played a role in his balding.
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No one ever insinuated Ray was a good husband. The man was a professional bodybuilder and everyone is saying how bad his physique was and he should have never been a pro.
My point remains,it’s not out of line to at least suggest Sally could have played a role in his balding.
If she held her legs together when he was going down on her that certainly would have caused some chaffing....
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Lmao! This explains his perpetual use of headbands and other headwear. Come contest time, he was on edge because there was no way to hide the forehead support strap. Because of this 5 days out, he was a live wire. A loose cannon who needed to bust a Valentine’s Day nut to get his mind off the aggressive alopecia. I bet Sally said something about this that triggered the beating.
Nope. The story goes that Ray was gone and she was alone on Valentine's Day. When she found out (or suspected) he was at a night club (supposedly as a fledgling stand-up comic), she got dressed up to go see him. He got home and asked where she was going. She said she was going to meet him, because they should be together on Valentine's Day..
They started arguing; he started choking her; she escaped and retrieved the shotgun.....BLAM!!!!
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Nope. The story goes that Ray was gone and she was alone on Valentine's Day. When she found out (or suspected) he was at a night club (supposedly as a fledgling stand-up comic), she got dressed up to go see him. He got home and asked where she was going. She said she was going to meet him, because they should be together on Valentine's Day..
They started arguing; he started choking her; she escaped and retrieved the shotgun.....BLAM!!!!
He was cooking when she shot him
The police report said the chicken was still warm in the pan when they got there.
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No one ever insinuated Ray was a good husband. The man was a professional bodybuilder and everyone is saying how bad his physique was and he should have never been a pro.
My point remains,it’s not out of line to at least suggest Sally could have played a role in his balding.
If by playing a role you mean wrestling schmoes to fund his anabolics use (namely the Anadrol and Winstrol, she claimed made his hair fall out a month after he won the North American title), you're right.
That, plus genetic predisposition, will do it.
How can you be a "bad bodybuilder" by winning the North American title, in an era where only the overall champ got a pro card?
You beat Paul Dillett (and other guys who later turned pro, John Simmons, Dave Fisher, Ray Williams, etc) but you don't deserve to be a pro?
Plus, he placed 15th at the Olympia in 1993 (the exact same spot Ronnie Coleman placed one year later). That ain't a "bad bodybuilder" by any stretch of the imagination. Most pros NEVER even sniff the Olympia stage.
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He was cooking when she shot him
The police report said the chicken was still warm in the pan when they got there.
True dedication would have been to cook and eat the chicken after she shot him so she wouldn't go 3 hours without eating at the police station.
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Why didn’t this documentary use Levrone’s song ??? royalties too steep?
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Why didn’t this documentary use Levrone’s song ??? royalties too steep?
I was wondering the same thing
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From some angles, Ray’s arms looked pretty damn big.
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From some angles, Ray’s arms looked pretty damn big.
Note the perfectly placed sweatband to hide the toupee support strap
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Note the perfectly placed sweatband to hide the toupee support strap
Exactly.
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(https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/10/31/15/Killer_Sally_S1_E1_00_08_06_18%20%282%29%20copy.png?width=1200)
LMAO! He looks like a gang banger for the Lucky Charms gang.
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My thoughts after finally watching this. Every time someone said "schmoe", I laughed my ass off. I'm glad Ray got killed. He was a piece of shit. Putting his hands on children, let alone another man's children is justification enough. Sally is obviously a mud shark and has real issues as evidenced by her going back to that same well after getting out of jail. I think she was justified in her actions and did too much time.
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Well, Ray McNeil doesn't exactly emote visions of Ward Cleaver with his cheating on her, slapping her around, choking her, and ramming her up the booty with his reportedly 10" schlong.
It was no where near 10 inches, even 9 is super rare, I mean rare even in the porn industry, usually porn majority measure anywhere from 7 to 8, some guys are in the 8.50/8.75, the 9’s are ultra rare, if it’s truly legit
The cock expert approved
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He was cooking when she shot him
The police report said the chicken was still warm in the pan when they got there.
I think she actually said in the show that he was cooking chicken, I don't think I got that here.
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It was no where near 10 inches, even 9 is super rare, I mean rare even in the porn industry, usually porn majority measure anywhere from 7 to 8, some guys are in the 8.50/8.75, the 9’s are ultra rare, if it’s truly legit
The cock expert approved
His wife made the claim. And she was getting the shaft.....literally!!
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It was no where near 10 inches, even 9 is super rare, I mean rare even in the porn industry, usually porn majority measure anywhere from 7 to 8, some guys are in the 8.50/8.75, the 9’s are ultra rare, if it’s truly legit
The cock expert approved
Do you think there would be a place in porn for a finely manicured, well cared for cock that tapes at 6.45" stiff? Asking for a friend.
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His wife made the claim. And she was getting the shaft.....literally!!
Yes, but women can’t judge size worth a shit
Everything is exaggerated, height, weight, cock size, how many are honest legit measurements down to the CM? Absolutely none
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I think she actually said in the show that he was cooking chicken, I don't think I got that here.
I remember it from way back when it happened
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Do you think there would be a place in porn for a finely manicured, well cared for cock that tapes at 6.45" stiff? Asking for a friend.
;D
If there’s some thickness, and the person knows how to work the angles to make it look bigger, there’s a decent chance of a career, or stay with amateur stuff
Bang bros, bang bus, reserved for the big boys
Can’t believe some people actually think 10-12 inch cocks are a bit “common”
For some “big guys” I would say 7-7.50 to 7.75, you are a small percentile
Cock expert approved
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like alot of BBer's,,, Ray looked better a week out or a week after..no homo... he was a strong bastard, Sally was no slouch either. Trained occasionally with them at the DelMar (21 area) gym on Camp Pendleton .... never hung around them except the gym... sucked for the kids... that's shit that never goes away...
I worked out at main area and what was the old 14 area which is now long gone. Guys I knew that trained with Ray warned him that she could kill him and to get away. They were not very surprised when it happened.
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His wife made the claim. And she was getting the shaft.....literally!!
Source?
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Do you think there would be a place in porn for a finely manicured, well cared for cock that tapes at 6.45" stiff? Asking for a friend.
^^ Great post!!
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Yes, but women can’t judge size worth a shit
Everything is exaggerated, height, weight, cock size, how many are honest legit measurements down to the CM? Absolutely none
Am I a joke to you?
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Yes, but women can’t judge size worth a shit
Everything is exaggerated, height, weight, cock size, how many are honest legit measurements down to the CM? Absolutely none
Well stated.
Inaccurate measurements are why primemuscle requires a ruler for comparison on all penis length verification videos
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Had Sally been born 30 years later she’d be the UFC champ today!
No doubt
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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No doubt
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
At 5’ 3” I doubt it, she could jump on my modest c*ck anyday though.
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I love Getbiggers ;D
"Ray wouldnt place at a local show today with that physique"
"He wasn't that good "
That's like saying that Ronnie Coleman IFBB pro 92 Mr.O 15th place wouldnt win a state show TODAY ...
Of course, Ronnie didnt get killed in 95 and he went to become the best bodybuilder of all time ...
not saying that Ray was going to blow up to be like Ronnie in later years ....but you get the point
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH Yeahhh BUDDYYYYYY
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I love Getbiggers ;D
"Ray wouldnt place at a local show today with that physique"
"He wasn't that good "
That's like saying that Ronnie Coleman IFBB pro 92 Mr.O 15th place wouldnt win a state show TODAY ...
Of course, Ronnie didnt get killed in 95 and he went to become the best bodybuilder of all time ...
not saying that Ray was going to blow up to be like Ronnie in later years ....but you get the point
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH Yeahhh BUDDYYYYYY
Hi, Ray.
:D
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Why didn’t this documentary use Levrone’s song ??? royalties too steep?
Because he only became a singer 2 decades after of the happening.
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I love Getbiggers ;D
"Ray wouldnt place at a local show today with that physique"
"He wasn't that good "
That's like saying that Ronnie Coleman IFBB pro 92 Mr.O 15th place wouldnt win a state show TODAY ...
Of course, Ronnie didnt get killed in 95 and he went to become the best bodybuilder of all time ...
not saying that Ray was going to blow up to be like Ronnie in later years ....but you get the point
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH Yeahhh BUDDYYYYYY
Using Ronnie as an example isn't working. You could look at Ronnie and tell that he had a lot of frame to fill out before he started his Mr O domination. Ray you could look at his frame and tell he was pretty maxed out at that point. There wasn't any more room to grow or improve. He was capped out so to speak. No amount of drugs or training would overcome that. Sort of like Meadows hitting his potential and not budging no matter what he tried.
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My thoughts after finally watching this. Every time someone said "schmoe", I laughed my ass off. I'm glad Ray got killed. He was a piece of shit. Putting his hands on children, let alone another man's children is justification enough. Sally is obviously a mud shark and has real issues as evidenced by her going back to that same well after getting out of jail. I think she was justified in her actions and did too much time.
I can only picture mainstream America going back to work the next day after watching this and using "schmoe" like it was a new word and they were hip or something.
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I love Getbiggers ;D
"Ray wouldnt place at a local show today with that physique"
"He wasn't that good "
That's like saying that Ronnie Coleman IFBB pro 92 Mr.O 15th place wouldnt win a state show TODAY ...
Of course, Ronnie didnt get killed in 95 and he went to become the best bodybuilder of all time ...
not saying that Ray was going to blow up to be like Ronnie in later years ....but you get the point
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH Yeahhh BUDDYYYYYY
Great point, although Ronnie placed "16th" in 1992; he got 15th in 1994.
Using Ronnie as an example isn't working. You could look at Ronnie and tell that he had a lot of frame to fill out before he started his Mr O domination. Ray you could look at his frame and tell he was pretty maxed out at that point. There wasn't any more room to grow or improve. He was capped out so to speak. No amount of drugs or training would overcome that. Sort of like Meadows hitting his potential and not budging no matter what he tried.
Nobody thought Ronnie Coleman had a chance in hell of becoming Mr. Olympia. At best, he was seen as a Darrem Charles, who could win some small shows late in the spring, with most Olympia-qualified guys off the circuit.
McNeil was hardly maxed out (and I believe he was younger than Coleman). Ronnie simply had a better work ethic (and a regular job as a cop) vs. McNeil's relying on his wife's schmoing.
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Not sure if this was something I saw on Getbig (seems like it) hopefully not earlier in this thread, but seems relevant here:
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Great point, although Ronnie placed "16th" in 1992; he got 15th in 1994.
Nobody thought Ronnie Coleman had a chance in hell of becoming Mr. Olympia. At best, he was seen as a Darrem Charles, who could win some small shows late in the spring, with most Olympia-qualified guys off the circuit.
McNeil was hardly maxed out (and I believe he was younger than Coleman). Ronnie simply had a better work ethic (and a regular job as a cop) vs. McNeil's relying on his wife's schmoing.
Exactly , everyone NOW says it was obvious Ronnie was going to be a champ. Lol. Those a little older would tell you otherwise, even top pros used to make fun back then that Ronnie was spending his own money traveling hotel and peds. With cero chance to place decent “, no sponsorship or Magazine articles. “ exposure “.
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Not sure if this was something I saw on Getbig (seems like it) hopefully not earlier in this thread, but seems relevant here:
How is this relevant?
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Exactly , everyone NOW says it was obvious Ronnie was going to be a champ. Lol. Those a little older would tell you otherwise, even top pros used to make fun back then that Ronnie was spending his own money traveling hotel and peds. With cero chance to place decent “, no sponsorship or Magazine articles. “ exposure “.
Ronnie Coleman did get a contract with Met-Rx in the mid-90s and kept it until shortly after he won his first Olympia. Then, Weider bought out that contract and Ronnie jumped ship. He got some decent coverage in the pubs, but it was mainly MuscleMag International. Johnny Fitness used to describe his physique as having "fresh" muscle.
Everyone was shocked when Ronnie won in 1998.
Back to McNeil, it's obvious he had the potential. But, he just didn't quite apply himself and relied on his wife to foot the bill; so, he could just eat, sleep, and train.....and hoe around town.
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How is this relevant?
I think Sally lacks some of the reasoning skills pointed out in the post, especially concerning asbstract thinking. She seems dumb as a bag of rocks and in foolishly trying to defelct blame and minimize to the cops, talked herself into a prison cell. She took the stand against her attorney's advices
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I think Sally lacks some of the reasoning skills pointed out in the post, especially concerning asbstract thinking. She seems dumb as a bag of rocks and in foolishly trying to defelct blame and minimize to the cops, talked herself into a prison cell. She took the stand against her attorney's advices
I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
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I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
This.
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What is the usual fee from Netflix for her interview? I believe enough to afford a house.
Will Bertil Fox sign with Netflix also, and when Titus gets out?
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I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
so she wasn't dumb she was stupid
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Hopefully she has luck w/ husband # 3. Another (3rd) black feller.
Maybe he's a good guy.
If not, its strike 3 Sally...
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so she wasn't dumb she was stupid
Amen to that, as cockcigar sucker Freud once said, neurosis makes one stupid.
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I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
So because she was able to focus on her kids for 10 minutes and explain what and where they were going next you think she demonstrates good reasoning skills?
Imagine if she used those skills before she fired that second shot.
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Because he only became a singer 2 decades after of the happening.
You’re making zero sense, broski! Did you get into Hanky’s drug stash?
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I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
These are all fair and well made points. Still, it seems like there is something off there in the intelligence "doesn't seem to get it" area. It seems like in one sentence she could say one thing and then say something completely at odds a few sentences later and not realzie the contradictions. Maybe it only manifests when she's trying to lie/minimize/rationalize.
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I don’t think it’s an IQ issue.
She is mentally disturbed and immature who never got past her oppositional defiance disorder.
That’s why she caused problems everywhere she went.
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I totally disagree, she explained her kids that they will be taken to custody and explained what to expect there, fluidly and in an assuring manner.
She seemed to be able to project and calm them and prepare them.
She also had basic planning/ organizational skills to schedule her schmoing(!) sessions.
I really think her expressions were fluent and well constructed.
She was simple as fuck much in the way poor white trash is. There's no 2nd and 3rd order thinking. It's all the immediate issue at hand. Thats why she's able to take a nap in the interrogation room. It's also why she killed Ray. It's also why she had a shitty alibi about him supposedly 'coming' at her and her story about reloading.
The way she and her kids communicated in the interrogation room was genuine. She certainly loved her children but comforting them in that moment was no different than going down the street and punching the neighbors father.
Its all just her immediate emotional reaction and just a person who's a simpleton.
I wont be surprised if her new martiage ends in some kind of tragedy. Even though they're old. Sally isn't a very bright bird.
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How long between the 1st and 2nd shot, anyone know? Doc doesn't seem to answer.
Also I'd think there were some rec drugs involved as well
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What is the usual fee from Netflix for her interview? I believe enough to afford a house.
Will Bertil Fox sign with Netflix also, and when Titus gets out?
I’m thinking a sit down with Titus on the benefits of nude tanning got be worth easy 6 figures