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https://zacheven-esh.com/mike-mentzers-heavy-duty-book-training-methods/
As a kid, it was he who I wanted to look like (yes, even over Arnold).
Outstanding physique, no matter how he built it!!
Mike for the win!! And Ray was one of the strongest ever...
(https://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mentzer-biceps-scaled.jpg)
I came across Mike Mentzer's training methods as a kid. In fact, if memory serves me properly, I began reading about Mike Mentzer around age 11. You see, I would read my older brother's bodybuilding books and magazines for 2 years before I actually began training.
I began training in June of 1989 but leading up to that point, I would dabble in lifting the weights my brother had in his room. It was strange to me that I would lift weights for 2 or 3 weeks and then quit. I thought something was wrong with me. But in mid June of 1989, things changed for me.
I stuck with the training and never looked back. I cut the sleeves off many of my shirts and lots of people took notice of my arms. Those compliments are NOT what inspired me though. What inspired me were the stories I read about in Arnold's books. Stories of overcoming obstacles and having BIG dreams. Those stories sucked me in and got my imagination rolling.
The old black and white photos made me imagine that I was right there, with these bodybuilders training.
I may not fully agree that Heavy Duty / HIT training is the Only Way to train, there certainly are elements to learn from and times that are appropriate for this style of training.
I modified this style of training for myself in my 20s and achieved my best results in strength AND size.
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Mike Menzter was a genius!!!! ;D
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you basically have to find what works for you and stick with it
his consolidation routine of 2 exercises once every 7 days is a pipe dream imo
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Mentzer is on a par with other top pro bodybuilders of the past who did not win the Olympia.
On a par with:
Platz
Padilla
Ferrigno
Pearl
Nubret
Coe
Etc.
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Mentzer is on a par with other top pro bodybuilders of the past who did not win the Olympia.
On a par with:
Platz
Padilla
Ferrigno
Pearl
Nubret
Coe
Etc.
the smaller version of coe wiped the fucking floor with his larger version
he added like 30 pounds in the same contest condition but 20 of those pounds went to his midsection :-X :-X :-X
all in the name of added scale weight :D :D :D
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You’ve got a fight coming and it’s coming today!
#bitteroldbastard
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He is if you mean by saying GOAT you actually mean G O A T
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He is if you mean by saying GOAT you actually mean G O A T
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Where’s BEVO/AbrahamG/Tacobender
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You’ve got a fight coming and it’s coming today!
#bitteroldbastard
We started a game that we never got to finish
#Genius
#HighIntensity
#ForcedReps
#RestPause
#YouTellThemTheLawIsComing
#AndHellIsComingWithMe
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Where’s BEVO/AbrahamG/Tacobender
they claimed he had flat pecs and a wide waist, don't get the flat pecs part ???
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We started a game that we never got to finish
#Genius
#HIT
#ForcedReps
#RestPause
#YouTellThemTheLawIsComing
#AndHellIsComingWithMe
GR was just foolin about.
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THIS is exactly what is wrong with getbig. Someone simply asked a question and almost everyone who responded had to be a smart ass with stupid answers. Trying to be funny. But your NOT. If you don't know the answer take a guess but don't be stupid about things. Most of you on here probably never lifted weights in your life anyways . You want to say stupid things and think your funny around your friends thats cool but this is a forum where people go to discuss things. They are looking for answers to questions and you clowns do just the opposite. Have any of you went onto other forums such as say a car or truck forum and asked a question? NO ONE answers as a smart ass with stupid comments do they? NO. So why do you all on here always do and you always bring up fags gays dicks etc. Everyone that does that should be banned for life. The mods shouldnt allow such childish behavior And now your all going to start in on me over this and just be proving my point about you.
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GR was just foolin about.
I wasn’t
And this time
IT’S LEGAL
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they claimed he had flat pecs and a wide waist, don't get the flat pecs part ???
That Sister Boy should’ve stuck around
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I wasn’t
And this time
IT’S LEGAL
I tell ya, boys, even I'm worried what's gonna happen once Ray runs this outfit. Lord have mercy!
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That Sister Boy should’ve stuck around
that's 5'8" 205-210
ludsford is 5'6" 230-235
all thier weight nowadays is in the legs and midsection, they aren't much bigger in the arms and pecs (of course assuming thier arms are really thier arms and not add oils and such)
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Bring back the real muscle
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GR was just foolin about.
I still think he has one of the best physiques ever...
(https://generationiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/mike-mentzer.jpg)
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Pretty awesome physique to me!
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Oh dear...😂
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He had his moments, great build. Never able to deliver on the promise of his self promoted glory in either competition nor his bs Heavy Dooty. Mike at 49 looked and walked as though he where 89
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One of the greatest moustaches and bulge combos in bodybuilding history -
(https://musclememory.com/magCovers/mb/mb7903.jpg).
It's an interesting conversation, having not won the Olympia doesn't take him out of the running, but it does make you question were to put him. Maybe top 20, top 30?
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If I work out hard enough I hope to achieve what Menzter had at 49 when I’m 40. I just need to keep coming back stronger.
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the smaller version of coe wiped the fucking floor with his larger version
he added like 30 pounds in the same contest condition but 20 of those pounds went to his midsection :-X :-X :-X
all in the name of added scale weight :D :D :D
here's the proof
he's like 30 pounds "bigger" in the bottom pic but nearly all that 30 pounds went directly to his midesection :-X :-X :-X
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Let's celebrate Mike Mentzer for his life and radical ideas. We need these types of people in the world to.
The Mike Mentzer Story
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YES, Gentlemen, YES! This is the way! Mike Mentzer!
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We all could learn a lot from Michael Mentzer
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Apparently he was Neckzilla's idol - explains why he chases that perfect symmetry...
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We all could learn a lot from Michael Mentzer
Learn not to follow losers like methzer.
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Let's celebrate Mike Mentzer for his life and radical ideas. We need these types of people in the world to.
The Mike Mentzer Story
Con men like methzer? Explain to me again how he was such a genuis.
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Learn not to follow losers like methzer.
Yes sir!
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Great physique for sure.
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Con men like methzer? Explain to me again how he was such a genuis.
Do you know anything about nuclear fusion, advanced calculus, chaos theory?
Thout so.
It'd be pointless to even attempt to explain the genius of Mike Mentzer to a person such as yourself.
In addition to the aforementioned topics, Mike dabbled in bodybuilding.
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His ultimate demise aside, it's impossible to be a GOAT when you end up hanging around Gold's looking like a fat turd in jeans and decades old T-Michael sweatshirts disappointing every fan who sees you into thinking "Is that Mike Mentzer?"
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He was a big inspiration when I was young. I use to collect everything he wrote. I have a big binder somewhere collecting dust in my basement. No doubt one of the most talked about bodybuilders of all time.
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A guy who never won the Olympia and only competed as a pro for a few years (winning 1 pro contest?) is not one of the best ever.
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Do you know anything about nuclear fusion, advanced calculus, chaos theory?
Thout so.
It'd be pointless to even attempt to explain the genius of Mike Mentzer to a person such as yourself.
In addition to the aforementioned topics, Mike dabbled in bodybuilding.
Because you can't. No-one can it would seem but still state that methzer was a "genius." 😂
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His ultimate demise aside, it's impossible to be a GOAT when you end up hanging around Gold's looking like a fat turd in jeans and decades old T-Michael sweatshirts disappointing every fan who sees you into thinking "Is that Mike Mentzer?"
GOAT failure for sure.
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A guy who never won the Olympia and only competed as a pro for a few years (winning 1 pro contest?) is not one of the best ever.
Exactly. He was footnote really and wasn't that popular at the time.
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here's the proof
he's like 30 pounds "bigger" in the bottom pic but nearly all that 30 pounds went directly to his midesection :-X :-X :-X
Long live the 70's.
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I respect Mentzer and his ideas even though I may not agree with many things he says. Funny thing, I have seen possibly hundreds of pics of Mike Mentzer and realize he was not bigger than me, not in the upper body at least, his legs were freaking huge though, much bigger than my legs, he was about the same height as me, he claims his arms were measured in a very strict way and they were 18.5''. Keep in mind I'm natty and he was not
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I like this clip more and more every time I watch it. Look at how he makes that German fellow wait while he finishes his smokes (5:20-6:00). Mike probably would've made a great President, real America first attitude with him.
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German bodybuilder with him at 6:20 is Marcus Reinhardt
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German bodybuilder with him at 6:20 is Marcus Reinhardt
I used to think Marcus was natty but i heard he is not
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I used to think Marcus was natty but i heard he is not
Say it ain’t so, Pamith. Say it ain’t so.
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GOAT failure for sure.
Please, we have photos of Dillet, Levorone, Ray, Paris and so many more looking like crap once the drugs stop.
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Please, we have photos of Dillet, Levorone, Ray, Paris and so many more looking like crap once the drugs stop.
it's because they stopped training
greg douchette is on trt ie. 140 mgs test and trains on the regular and looks decent
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Please, we have photos of Dillet, Levorone, Ray, Paris and so many more looking like crap once the drugs stop.
They're all still alive and Levrone trains but for fitness nowadays, Where's methzer again? 😆
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I like this clip more and more every time I watch it. Look at how he makes that German fellow wait while he finishes his smokes (5:20-6:00). Mike probably would've made a great President, real America first attitude with him.
He's was still whining in his last days and spoke like a stroke victim. So nah...
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He's was still whining in his last days and spoke like a stroke victim. So nah...
I don't get your hate for guys that train with HIT. True both brothers were complete messes in their 40's. I assume it was from all the drugs they took that wrecked their health. Mike being a chain smoker didn't help either.
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I don't get your hate for guys that train with HIT. True both brothers were complete messes in their 40's. I assume it was from all the drugs they took that wrecked their health. Mike being a chain smoker didn't help either.
RMJ11 has obsessive compulsive disorder.
He can’t sit still.
He was recently awake for 96 hours straight, posting non-stop about his hatred for Mentzer.
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RMJ11 has obsessive compulsive disorder.
He can’t sit still.
He was recently awake for 96 hours straight, posting non-stop about his hatred for Mentzer.
He'll be along soon to alter yours & oldtimer1 posts
His usual childish effort. ::)
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ROYALTY has obsessive compulsive disorder.
ROYALTY can’t sit still.
ROYALTY recently awake for 96 hours straight, posting non-stop about his hatred for himself.
😁
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Illuminati will be along soon to alter your post
Illumanti being his usual childish effort. ::)
Agreed.
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RMJ11 ... has the most predictable responses in Getbig history 😂
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Carved from granite!
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it that waist shopped?
they claim he had a wide waist ???
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it that waist shopped?
they claim he had a wide waist ???
He had a small waist
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He had a small waist
yep
i think ray had a thicker and wider waist
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yep
i think ray had a thicker and wider waist
It's been photoshopped. methzer had a thick waist for sure.
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methzer lost her and turned gay. 😆
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ROYALTY ... has the most predictable responses in Getbig history 😂
You sure do. 😆
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You sure do. 😆
Even Arnold was a fanboy
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methzer lost her and turned gay. 😆
Only if you want it to be.
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Only if you want it to be.
It's all true. Just ask Larry Pollock.
i=rbBeluKdT3Dhc-vo
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Even methzer was a fanboy of Arnold
Probably explains why methzer was obsessed with Arnold.
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methzer lost her and turned gay. 😆
https://www.tmz.com/2010/08/04/arnold-schwarzenegger-gay-marriage-prop-8-ruling-unconstitutional-overturned-statement/
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Carved from granite!
Guy was a fucking genius!
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Guy was a fucking lunatic!
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https://www.tmz.com/2010/08/04/arnold-schwarzenegger-gay-marriage-prop-8-ruling-unconstitutional-overturned-statement/
And methzer missed out because he died before this. 🤣🤣🤣
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And methzer missed out because he died before this. 🤣🤣🤣
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RMJ11 is an Arnold Schwarzenegger troll account.
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A friendship that methzer wanted but could never have. 😆😆😆
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WIGGS is an methzer dick licker troll.
😆
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Monster physique? 😂😂😂😂
methzer was a manlet.
i=EFF8W-DDXIStJj9X
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One set is all it takes.
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One set is all it takes to stay small and weak.
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Anybody know where I can get some of Arnie and Sly’s shoe lifts? I want to be 6’6 for a day to see what Daddy Waddy sees
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RMJ11 all alone on Thanksgiving 😂😂😂
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ROYALTY all alone on Thanksgiving 😂😂😂
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Nope... I’m now reading your posts from all day!!! 😂
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HUMBLE NARCISSIST IS RMJ11
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Anybody know where I can get some of Arnie and Sly’s shoe lifts? I want to be 6’6 for a day to see what Daddy Waddy sees
Used to be this guy -
https://www.seeing-stars.com/Shop/Shoemaker.shtml .
"Mr. Di Fabrizio says that he sometimes gives stars a lift - literally. He notes that his shoes added 3 1/2 to 4 inches Sly Stallone's height."
He talked too much about lifts, and the rumor is Stallone stiffed him on some shoes after that, and never used him again. I remember that Di Fabrizio also mentioned the average lifts for a star were in the 2 1/2 - 3" range, and the best way to make them was a combo of heel height and building them up inside so they looked more natural.
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Yep... I’m now reading your posts from all day as I've nothing better to do!!😂
😂
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ROYALTY is a PHAGGIT
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Even Arnold was a fanboy
Pointing at Arnold's cock.
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@ 16:10
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HUMBLE NARCISSIST IS RMJ11
You know better than that.
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the GOAT benched 370 @ 165 @ 15 years old
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He trained HIT for a week? So i assume he did not train at all.
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165
See how much easier you life would be if you just grew the fuck up
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Anybody know where I can get some of Arnie and Sly’s shoe lifts? I want to be 6’6 for a day to see what Daddy Waddy sees
You will be much more prone to an ankle sprain. Will be worth the risk?
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Evidence?
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the GOAT benched 370 @ 165 @ 15 years old
And yet no evidence that methzer did.
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Lol at a “buck”
DJ trying to be cool lol. He’s such a little dweeb.
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He trained HIT for a week? So i assume he did not train at all.
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Lol at a “buck”
DJ trying to be cool lol. He’s such a little dweeb.
it fucking annoys me
I dont mind the guy, hes OK but that shit I cant get past
I would instantly avoid him regardless of all his good points for that kind of nonsense on its own
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MENTZER WAS A GENIUS
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He trained HIT for a week? So i assume he did not train at all.
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the GOAT benched 370 @ 165 @ 15 years old
He trained like Mentzer for a week? So he worked out once?
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METHZER WAS A LUNATIC
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Used to be this guy -
https://www.seeing-stars.com/Shop/Shoemaker.shtml .
"Mr. Di Fabrizio says that he sometimes gives stars a lift - literally. He notes that his shoes added 3 1/2 to 4 inches Sly Stallone's height."
He talked too much about lifts, and the rumor is Stallone stiffed him on some shoes after that, and never used him again. I remember that Di Fabrizio also mentioned the average lifts for a star were in the 2 1/2 - 3" range, and the best way to make them was a combo of heel height and building them up inside so they looked more natural.
BB knows ALL
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Lol at a “buck”
DJ trying to be cool lol. He’s such a little dweeb.
not trying to be cool chief but label it how you want i frankly don't give a flying fuck ;)
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He trained like Mentzer for a week? So he worked out once?
he did the a b 2-way split routine mentzer used when he was competing
workout a=chest, tri, legs
workout b=back, delts, tris
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not trying to be cool chief but label it how you want i frankly don't give a flying fuck ;)
just write 165, its not hard and you might get more people interacting with you
If you carry on with your buck and two bills shit I will stop responding to you
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just write 165, its not hard and you might get more people interacting with you
If you carry on with your buck and two bills shit I will stop responding to you
Is the slang term “buck” even used in Europe to convey 1$? Like would you say “blimey! the price of petrol is nearly 7 buck, innit!”
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DJ ignore the haterz!
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From the mean streets of Gdank, Poland here comes Bobek "dj181" Presbalowski!
Characteristic features of this specimen include:
1) Always wearing a baseball cap
2) Trying hard to weigh over "a buck 65"
3) A nose so big it acts as a natural canopy - good for smoking cigs in the rain.
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Decided to add some ampethaimine to the mix pre workout mentzer style 😎
Curious to see what it does
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Decided to add some ampethaimine to the mix pre workout mentzer style 😎
Curious to see what it does
You’re old and you’ve been doing this for years.
Why is everything an experiment. You have trash tier genetics, and despite your insane drug abuses you’ll never be bigger. You have that AIDS look.
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You’re old and you’ve been doing this for years.
Why is everything an experiment. You have trash tier genetics, and despite your insane drug abuses you’ll never be bigger. You have that AIDS look.
this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
You look great, dj! I think people here just goad each other in good fun. ;D Except for bhanky. He isn't an asshole, he's a whole ass. Fuque him.
Again, brother...You look excellent!
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You look great, dj! I think people here just goad each other in good fun. ;D Except for bhanky. He isn't an asshole, he's a whole ass. Fuque him.
Again, brother...You look excellent!
thank you, but for me it's not good enough...
thing is i've added 20 pounds but i'm a fatass @ 9-10% in that photo i'm 5-6%, so my goal is to keep this 20 pounds but get back to 5-6% and keep the waist at 29 inches, if i have a 31 inch waist i'm fucked and i'll be right pissed off, key is to put that 20 pounds only on the arms, torso and delts and put ZERO on the midsection
many guys gain 20-30 pounds scale weight at the same bodyfat but their waist gets 2-3 inches on it, fuck dat noise! boyer coe did this in the early-mid 90's and francis benefetto did it as well damn shame, they lost some aesthetics which is a no bueno
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he did the a b 2-way split routine mentzer used when he was competing
workout a=chest, tri, legs
workout b=back, delts, tris
He disavowed that training program in his later years.
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Yeah but that's nothing I benched 500 at 14 ,take my word for it
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
Skinny.
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Skinny.
Post your pic
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GOAT ?
Not hardly.
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
I ran one cycle of Anadrol between 2010 and 2022, and fucking idiot JustPlaneJane [Walter Sobchak's second account where he posts as a woman and claims to have the fastest 40-yard dash time in women's running history] posted a photo of me when I intentionally dropped to 160 during the fake pandemic [because gyms were closed so I figured...what the fuck], and claimed that was "20 years steroids".
Yes...three weeks of Anadrol in a decade is "20 years of steroids".
Yes, we have dumb people like JPJ on here. But anyone stupid enough to claim to have a sprint time almost as fast as Usain Bolt's would have to be a moron. God...at least know enough about a topic to know what makes a realistic lie. ::)
You're very lean, dj181.
The funny thing about me is that I've literally dropped to as low as 157, and not gotten really any leaner. It's weird. It's like my body always wants to stay the same body fat. Meanwhile, your progress is pretty clear there.
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What is 250 sustanon, a prescribed drug by doctors for hormone replacement?
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What is 250 sustanon a prescribed drug by doctors for hormone replacement?
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/5373/pil#gref
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If he benched 370 at 15, then what did he bench in his prime? 740?
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Sus-250 is a mix of Testosterones that is used for TRT, yes...
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Looking great DJ.....props!!
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=689598.0;attach=1475707;image)
Looks fantastic!
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❤️Love always wins❤️
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❤️Love always wins❤️
methzer's true love was amphetamines. Cathy Gelfo went on to marry bodybuilder Clint Beyerle who came from money and became a chiropractor so he was way more successful than methzer could ever be.
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methzer's true love was amphetamines. Cathy Gelfo went on to marry bodybuilder Clint Beyerle who came from money and became a chiropractor.
💊Love always wins💊
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
I wrote this in the training section of your posts but I don't know if you go there anymore? I'm always interested in what the other guy does in the gym. What type of training do you do regarding the split, rep ranges and sets? Yes, you look in very good shape.
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thank you, but for me it's not good enough...
thing is i've added 20 pounds but i'm a fatass @ 9-10% in that photo i'm 5-6%, so my goal is to keep this 20 pounds but get back to 5-6% and keep the waist at 29 inches, if i have a 31 inch waist i'm fucked and i'll be right pissed off, key is to put that 20 pounds only on the arms, torso and delts and put ZERO on the midsection
many guys gain 20-30 pounds scale weight at the same bodyfat but their waist gets 2-3 inches on it, fuck dat noise! boyer coe did this in the early-mid 90's and francis benefetto did it as well damn shame, they lost some aesthetics which is a no bueno
Ok you are starting to sound like Matt. I get it I have the same issue not as bad though. Look you can't get bigger while also obsessing about your waist and bodyfat. You are full on anorexic double your calories.
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Looking great DJ for a 60 year old.....props!!
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Ok you are starting to sound like Matt. I get it I have the same issue not as bad though. Look you can't get bigger while also obsessing about your waist and bodyfat. You are full on anorexic double your calories.
I think most would value having a physique like his. Athletic and ripped is a good look.
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He disavowed that training program in his later years.
yep, he went off the deep end
there's no way in hell anyone can add muscle training 2 exercises once a week
you definatley can gain muscle training 3 times a week (i train full body every other day and i've gained an inch on my delts and 3 inches on my chest in 5 weeks) not sure about 2 times a week though
his heavy duty one was mon:push weds:pull fri:legs
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I think most would value having a physique like his. Athletic and ripped is a good look.
Hanky thinks if you don`t weigh 238 pounds your build sux.
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Ok you are starting to sound like Matt. I get it I have the same issue not as bad though. Look you can't get bigger while also obsessing about your waist and bodyfat. You are full on anorexic double your calories.
he looks way better than you do you fucking sloppy Brimley faced twat
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I ran one cycle of Anadrol between 2010 and 2022, and fucking idiot JustPlaneJane [Walter Sobchak's second account where he posts as a woman and claims to have the fastest 40-yard dash time in women's running history] posted a photo of me when I intentionally dropped to 160 during the fake pandemic [because gyms were closed so I figured...what the fuck], and claimed that was "20 years steroids".
Yes...three weeks of Anadrol in a decade is "20 years of steroids".
Yes, we have dumb people like JPJ on here. But anyone stupid enough to claim to have a sprint time almost as fast as Usain Bolt's would have to be a moron. God...at least know enough about a topic to know what makes a realistic lie. ::)
You're very lean, dj181.
The funny thing about me is that I've literally dropped to as low as 157, and not gotten really any leaner. It's weird. It's like my body always wants to stay the same body fat. Meanwhile, your progress is pretty clear there.
i had phone consults with mentzer back in 98 and he called me Wild Horse because i didn't follow or listen to what he said ;D
i told him that i read that casey v would normally dip with 150 round his waist but when he was in the mood he'd use 300 and mentzer said... "casey was known to stretch the truth a bit"
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Looking great DJ.....props!!
thanks bro, now i gotta get that waist back but with 10-15 pounds added lean dry tissue to the chest, upper lats, delts and arms
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Looks fantastic!
thanks man, waist was 29.5 there now its 32 :-X :-X :-X :-X
chest is up 3 full inches and delts 1.5 inches and arms half inch
im just gonna throw in tren @ 20 mgs a day and probably get the ampethamine for pre training on training days and mostly likely bump the sust to 350 so daily shot of 50 sust 20 ACE
i'll keep the mcdonalds post workout meal but replace the fries with chicken ceaser salad and just run the slin pre-workout my workouts take 2 hours so by the time i finish the slin is bout outta my system, also i'll drop the cookies and nightime frosted flakes in milk lol
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thanks man, waist was 29.5 there now its 32 :-X :-X :-X :-X
chest is up 3 full inches and delts 1.5 inches and arms half inch
im just gonna throw in tren @ 20 mgs a day and probably get the ampethamine for pre training on training days and mostly likely bump the sust to 350 so daily shot of 50 sust 20 ACE
i'll keep the mcdonalds post workout meal but replace the fries with chicken ceaser salad and just run the slin pre-workout my workouts take 2 hours so by the time i finish the slin is bout outta my system, also i'll drop the cookies and nightime frosted flakes in milk lol
Eat properly, its not hard, buy mince and make your own burgers and eat cream of rice or oats instead of frosted flakes
Your body will thank you for it and will reward you by looking better
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Ok you are starting to sound like Matt. I get it I have the same issue not as bad though. Look you can't get bigger while also obsessing about your waist and bodyfat. You are full on anorexic double your calories.
Bhanks, DJ looks better than you. More symmetrical, more proportionate, better lines, better midsection etc.
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I wrote this in the training section of your posts but I don't know if you go there anymore? I'm always interested in what the other guy does in the gym. What type of training do you do regarding the split, rep ranges and sets? Yes, you look in very good shape.
i went from 13-14% to 5-6% in 8 weeks running 250 sust and 20 mg dbol eating maybe 80 grams of pro and bout 1200-1500 cals most days some days i fasted and eat nothing, over the course of the 8 weeks i didn't train at all for 11 days and later for 8 days so almost 3 of those 8 weeks i did not training
i'm the hardest training guy in my gym BY FAR and i'm not afraid to challenge wes but he's probably win, like who's the toughest mofo that would not fucking quit!!!
i basically did drop sets with slow negatives and partials and pushed it to fucking complete and total failure
p.s. boxing training is much much much harder that this, this is easy peasy :D :D :D
now i train eod and i get stronger EACH AND EVERY WORKOUT in fact this morning i trained half drunk and my close grip bench went from 185 to 6 to failure to 190 for 6 to failure and every other exercise increased as well this is JP's Full Body HIT, AJ would be proud 8) 8) 8)
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Eat properly, its not hard, buy mince and make your own burgers and eat cream of rice or oats instead of frosted flakes
Your body will thank you for it and will reward you by looking better
cream of rice is a good idea and i could do oats with blueberries
current bulk diet is...
break: 2 large eggs in 500 ml of milk and a handful of blueberries or half an orange and some kind of energy drink
post workout: some kind of double like double quater pounder or double filet of fish large fry large cola and a double cheeseburger
meal 2 or 3(depending if i train late or not): chicken breast with white rice and sause on the chicken with some high fat ground beef or sausages and chocolate chip cookies
last meal: bowl of frosted flakes in milk
high protien is total horseshit i ate 80-100 grams and recomped on it gaining muscle while losing fat
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Bhanks, DJ looks better than you. More symmetrical, more proportionate, better lines, better midsection etc.
thanks bro and sorry bout the baseball jab but my uncles gave me shit about it and i never forgave them :D :D :D
they said hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports which it probably is
and i was a pussy because i ran long distances cross country and half mile and mile, one of them said... "anybody could become good at this shit if they are dull enough to practice it" ;D ;D ;D
seb coe was one of my idols they loved ted williams and carl yaz red sox fans
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thanks bro and sorry bout the baseball jab but my uncles gave me shit about it and i never forgave them :D :D :D
they said hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports which it probably is
and i was a pussy because i ran long distances cross country and half mile and mile, tone of them said... "anybody could become good at this shit if they are dull enough to practice it" ;D ;D ;D
anyone who thinks that has never done battle in a thong
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Mentzer was the inspiration for Bernie Lomax in Weekend at Bernie’s 1 and 2!
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i went from 13-14% to 15-16% in 8 weeks running 250 sust and 20 mg dbol eating maybe 80 grams of pro and bout 1200-1500 cals most days some days i fasted and eat nothing, over the course of the 8 weeks i didn't train at all for 11 days and later for 8 days so almost 3 of those 8 weeks i did not training. So basically I'm a steroid junkie.
i'm the hardest training guy in my gym BY FAR which is a lie as I'm highly egotistical and i'm not afraid to challenge wes as he's full of it too, like who's the weakest mofo that would fucking quit!!!
i basically did drop sets with slow negatives and partials and pushed it to fucking complete and total failure but actual don't do this but I like to fuel my own ego and self importance as I'm a fake.
p.s. boxing training is much much much harder that this, this is easy peasy because it really is easy peasy :D :D :D
now i train and i get weaker in EACH AND EVERY WORKOUT in fact this morning i trained half drunk and my close grip bench went from 185 to 6 to failure to 92.5 for 6 to failure and every other exercise decreased as well this is JP's Full Body (s) HIT, AJ would be furious 8) 8) 8)
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i went from 13-14% to 5-6% in 8 weeks running 250 sust and 20 mg dbol eating maybe 80 grams of pro and bout 1200-1500 cals most days some days i fasted and eat nothing, over the course of the 8 weeks i didn't train at all for 11 days and later for 8 days so almost 3 of those 8 weeks i did not training
i'm the hardest training guy in my gym BY FAR and i'm not afraid to challenge wes but he's probably win, like who's the toughest mofo that would not fucking quit!!!
i basically did drop sets with slow negatives and partials and pushed it to fucking complete and total failure
p.s. boxing training is much much much harder that this, this is easy peasy :D :D :D
now i train eod and i get stronger EACH AND EVERY WORKOUT in fact this morning i trained half drunk and my close grip bench went from 185 to 6 to failure to 190 for 6 to failure and every other exercise increased as well this is JP's Full Body HIT, AJ would be proud 8) 8) 8)
So you're one of the few guys that use a full body training session. Those are brutal. Much harder than a split routine. How that got labeled a beginner is beyond comprehension. It exhausting and has to burn the most amount of calories.
Surprised to hear you train whole body as opposed to a split. I thought you would say a high rep split with plenty of volume.
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Yeah but that's nothing I benched 500 at 14 ,take my word for it
Bro...
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methzer's true love was amphetamines. Cathy Gelfo went on to marry bodybuilder Clint Beyerle who came from money and became a chiropractor so he was way more successful than methzer could ever be.
Why do you have so much emotionally invested in hating on a dead man who you probably never met?
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Say it ain’t so, Pamith. Say it ain’t so.
Bro...
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Why do you have so much facts invested in telling the truth on a dead man in a thread about methzer?
Facts are facts.
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Bro...
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Why do you have so much emotionally invested in hating on a dead man who you probably never met?
I hate Marc Lobliner, but don't spend energy on it.
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this isnt aids look you worthless sack of shit, it's prime aesthetics
i'll have this shape and aesthetics with this tiny ass 28-29 inch waist 15-20 pounds heavier by the end of january mark my fucking words, i'm already 20 pounds heavier but i'm not in this condition
insane drug abuse my ass 250 mgs of sust is not insane drug abuse :D :D :D
Lol sorry Nancy calm down. For years you go on about tren this dbol that. Then you mention your diet, hideous. If you have fast food daily i think you need to reevaluate everything.
Big round shoulders, emaciated basically everywhere else, zero arms. Your forarms are the same width as your upper arm. All drugs.
I see homeless heroin zombies waking through Los Angeles with very similar builds. I’m not even exaggerating there.
Maybe eat real food, lose the mentally ill anorexia paradigm, lift weights and then fuck off. Get a haircut and take off the baseball hat. You’re 50+ ffs.
Other than that good luck with your goals.
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I hate Marc Lobliner and I spend energy on it. 😄
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BB knows ALL
BB don’t know Diddley
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BB don’t know Diddley
Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?
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Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?
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He did not bench press 370 pounds at age fifteen weighing 165 pounds.
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Chest flat as a pancake.
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Chest flat as a pancake.
Move to Iran Phaggit
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Chest flat as a pancake.
Like Arnold's lateral delts?
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Like Arnold's lateral delts?
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Lol sorry Nancy calm down. For years you go on about tren this dbol that. Then you mention your diet, hideous. If you have fast food daily i think you need to reevaluate everything.
Big round shoulders, emaciated basically everywhere else, zero arms. Your forarms are the same width as your upper arm. All drugs.
I see homeless heroin zombies waking through Los Angeles with very similar builds. I’m not even exaggerating there.
Maybe eat real food, lose the mentally ill anorexia paradigm, lift weights and then fuck off. Get a haircut and take off the baseball hat. You’re 50+ ffs.
Other than that good luck with your goals.
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Lol sorry Nancy calm down. For years you go on about tren this dbol that. Then you mention your diet, hideous. If you have fast food daily i think you need to reevaluate everything.
Big round shoulders, emaciated basically everywhere else, zero arms. Your forarms are the same width as your upper arm. All drugs.
I see homeless heroin zombies waking through Los Angeles with very similar builds. I’m not even exaggerating there.
Maybe eat real food, lose the mentally ill anorexia paradigm, lift weights and then fuck off. Get a haircut and take off the baseball hat. You’re 50+ ffs.
Other than that good luck with your goals.
I had to double take if this was an old thread that got bumped. This dork has been saying the same nonsense for a decade or even longer. He's ripped but his muscle shape and insertions are trash. Didn't he never train legs too? Hasn't added any muscle in all this time but he's gonna add 10-15lbs of lean tissue now? At what, 60yrs old?
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I had to double take if this was an old thread that got bumped. This dork has been saying the same nonsense for a decade or even longer. He's ripped but his muscle shape and insertions are trash. Didn't he never train legs too? Hasn't added any muscle in all this time but he's gonna add 10-15lbs of lean tissue now? At what, 60yrs old?
Yeah it’s the same utter bullshit. Always with the new strategy, just wait and see I’ll gain 15 pounds. Fast forward 6 months he will post a pic looking like the same intravenous drug user he always emulated.
I mean for God’s sake, we are in a point in this where we should know the simple truths. Eat food, lift weights a few times a week, you may gain fat.
When you want the fat to disappear eat significantly less food while still lifting weights and incorporate gear to keep the muscles. This is very simple.
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The real methzer
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Zane and Dickerson placed before meth head. 😆
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So you're one of the few guys that use a full body training session. Those are brutal. Much harder than a split routine. How that got labeled a beginner is beyond comprehension. It exhausting and has to burn the most amount of calories.
Surprised to hear you train whole body as opposed to a split. I thought you would say a high rep split with plenty of volume.
like JP says "why not get muscle stimulation potential growth 180 times a year as opposed to 50 times a year?" since going from 6 days a week to eod i get stronger each and every workout, like 15 once said... "you grow outside the gym" and King Mentzer said... "train and get the hell out of the gym and rest and grow"
i have a push focus as 7 of my 10 exercises hammer pecs, delts and tri, i only do one back width move and 2 leg moves ie. leg ext and either leg press or hip thrust gotta word dat ass i guess ;D
JP cites 12 exercises like this
1 x Chest
1 x Shoulder
1 x Tricep
1 x Lat bias movement
1 x Upperback thickness
1 x Side Delt (isolation) -> Pull in and out
1 x Bicep isolation
1 x Tricep isolation
1 x Hamstring curl
1 x Quad compound
1 x Leg extension
1 x Calf Raise
full body isn't nearly as hard as boxing crossfit it's like child's play compared to that, i take 4 minutes rest before each heavy lift to failure and my workouts take nearly 2 hours but since i only train every other day i recover and progress, i think King Mentzer was right when he said... "it's always a mistake to train 2 days in a row" JP's later routines go on a 5 ways split day 1: push day 2: pull day 3: off day 4: legs day 5: off but with this you train 2 days in a row and each muscle get hit 70 times a year i'll take 180 over 70
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Yeah it’s the same utter bullshit. Always with the new strategy, just wait and see I’ll gain 15 pounds. Fast forward 6 months he will post a pic looking like the same intravenous drug user he always emulated.
I mean for God’s sake, we are in a point in this where we should know the simple truths. Eat food, lift weights a few times a week, you may gain fat.
When you want the fat to disappear eat significantly less food while still lifting weights and incorporate gear to keep the muscles. This is very simple.
so you think adding 70 pounds to your 6 rep bench max won't add any muscle to your pecs delts and tris :D :D :D
i'm already up 20 pounds from where i was in that photo and my chest is 3 inches bigger and my delts are 1.5 inches bigger but nah that's not muscle
ACE is the best recomp drug in exsistance BY FAR in fact, of this 20 pounds i've gained so far i'd say 7-8 of it is pure lean muscle and when i throw ACE in the mix and continue loading more and more weight on the bar, which has happened and will continue to happen i will put on even more lean dry tissue
thing was i was overtraining and not adding weight to the bar hence not much gains
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I had to double take if this was an old thread that got bumped. This dork has been saying the same nonsense for a decade or even longer. He's ripped but his muscle shape and insertions are trash. Didn't he never train legs too? Hasn't added any muscle in all this time but he's gonna add 10-15lbs of lean tissue now? At what, 60yrs old?
oh look! it's pisstopher :D :D :D
muscle shape and insertions are trash hahahahahaha
where do you get this shit ???
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so you think adding 70 pounds to your 6 rep bench max won't add any muscle to your pecs delts and tris :D :D :D
i'm already up 20 pounds from where i was in that photo and my chest is 3 inches bigger and my delts are 1.5 inches bigger but nah that's not muscle
ACE is the best recomp drug in exsistance BY FAR in fact, of this 20 pounds i've gained so far i'd say 7-8 of it is pure lean muscle and when i throw ACE in the mix and continue loading more and more weight on the bar, which has happened and will continue to happen i will put on even more lean dry tissue
thing was i was overtraining and not adding weight to the bar hence not much gains
Lol you’re absolutely right bro. Bang some more gear and add in a couple Nutella and fish patty sandwiches a day for ultimate gains. You’re well on your way partner. If it makes you feel better, no one… and I mean no one, looks at you and assumes you’re on juice. Do you can still play the natty card no problem.
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yep, he went off the deep end
there's no way in hell anyone can add muscle training 2 exercises once a week
you definatley can gain muscle training 3 times a week (i train full body every other day and i've gained an inch on my delts and 3 inches on my chest in 5 weeks) not sure about 2 times a week though
his heavy duty one was mon:push weds:pull fri:legs
His final training program for his personal clients was 3 exercises once every 21 days.
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Cameron and Renny Harlin in the background right?
What movie was this for?
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His final training program for his personal clients was 3 exercises once every 21 days.
really ???
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His final training program for his personal clients was 3 exercises once every 21 days.
That's too much.
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His final training program for his personal clients was 3 exercises once every 21 days.
I'm surprised he would advocate such a high volume of over training .
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Move to Iran Phaggit
Truth hurts. Especially dieted for the '80 Olympia. His abs were thicker than his chest. Great bb. Far from an all timer
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I'm surprised he would advocate such a high volume of over training .
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If he were alive today I'm sure it would be much less. Sisco and Little advocated less training in Static Contraction Training system based on HIT. They said eventually a person may only have to train once or twice a year at advanced levels. ::)
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^43 pro wins
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^43 pro wins
Possibly a lot more than than that!
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Mike with a positive message that we all needed to hear at one point... in one way or another.
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Mike bringing the nostalgia.
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Bump for all Mike Mentzer fans.
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Bump
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Bump for all Mike Mentzer fans.
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Only train once a decade.
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Is this Jay Mentzer?
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Is this Jay Mentzer?
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Is this Jay Mentzer?
It’s djmentzer 181
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Just like his brother squatted 900.
Okay.
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Only train once a decade.
That's the average American training program.
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Two bucks...
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"Oh see the deer, have the deer a little doe"??
"Soitenly, 2 bucks, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"....
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I.was in gdansk in March. Great place. Also went to Sopot
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so you think adding 70 pounds to your 6 rep bench max won't add any muscle to your pecs delts and tris :D :D :D
i'm already up 20 pounds from where i was in that photo and my chest is 3 inches bigger and my delts are 1.5 inches bigger but nah that's not muscle
ACE is the best recomp drug in exsistance BY FAR in fact, of this 20 pounds i've gained so far i'd say 7-8 of it is pure lean muscle and when i throw ACE in the mix and continue loading more and more weight on the bar, which has happened and will continue to happen i will put on even more lean dry tissue
thing was i was overtraining and not adding weight to the bar hence not much gains
I will say this in good faith and because I noticed the text under your profile picture. I hope you are not taking this drug if you have self-harm thoughts.
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Mentzer benched 3.7 bucks at age .15 bucks and a bodyweight of 1.65 bucks.
Keep the change.
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Just like his brother squatted 900.
Okay.
For 2 reps even!! ::)
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It’s djmentzer 181
;D ;D ;D
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Methead was an ok bodybuilder. He was a lot like zane. By himself he could look good. BUT put him next to Arnold or any other big bodybuilder and he fades away. Same with zane. Metheads ( and zanes) body is much more attainable than Arnolds . Methead had NO chest. His waist was wide and his belly bulged. He had a couple poses he looked good in and that is it. NO he is not nor ever will be a goat . In fact i do not know why there are so many posts on here about the guy. He is dead and gone. STOP trying to act like he was more than he was. He was a second rate bodybuilder who had severe mental issues. Case closed. No more Methead posts.
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I just wish Mike had been 183-185 cm instead (with the same proportions)
Then not even bought judges could have given it to Arnold in 1980
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I will say this in good faith and because I noticed the text under your profile picture. I hope you are not taking this drug if you have self-harm thoughts.
honestly i have rage issues but mainly rage at the fucking usa for not minding thier own business and butting the fuck out of forgien affairs, happened as far back as that shitstain kissinger, david icke said shitingger went to a country and immediatley after mayhem insued, and at the isreal arab conflict as these shitheads hide the truth about how they have massaced chidren shit makes my blood boil >:( >:( >:( netanyahoo needs to be throwen the fuck out! so yeah maybe i shouldn't take amphs :D :D :D
i can just listen to dogs by floyd and imagine being alone with these ruthless shitheads who destroy mankind, i also think of someone trying to harm my very decent and kind mother, and let's just say i get amped, cybergenics said to imagine exterme situations to get the psych going
so yeah, come to think of it maybe i should get tranqulizers instead, decided to stop watching youtube clips on isreal, the most honest fella is Dr. Jeffery Sacks good and decent man he is 8) 8) 8)
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For 2 reps even!! ::)
they were probably quarter squats not even half squats
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question is... are his training loads going up? and by up i mean like adding 50 pounds to his 6 rep bench press max
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MENTZER!
MENTZER!
MENTZER!
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"Kids, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!"
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honestly i have rage issues but mainly rage at the fucking usa for not minding thier own business and butting the fuck out of forgien affairs, happened as far back as that shitstain kissinger, david icke said shitingger went to a country and immediatley after mayhem insued, and at the isreal arab conflict as these shitheads hide the truth about how they have massaced chidren shit makes my blood boil >:( >:( >:( netanyahoo needs to be throwen the fuck out! so yeah maybe i shouldn't take amphs :D :D :D
i can just listen to dogs by floyd and imagine being alone with these ruthless shitheads who destroy mankind, i also think of someone trying to harm my very decent and kind mother, and let's just say i get amped, cybergenics said to imagine exterme situations to get the psych going
so yeah, come to think of it maybe i should get tranqulizers instead, decided to stop watching youtube clips on isreal, the most honest fella is Dr. Jeffery Sacks good and decent man he is 8) 8) 8)
To be fair tren and speed probably won't help with the rage, they might err... aggrevate it :D
You look fine the way you are dude. I mean, if there must be chemical enhancements maybe consider less harsh agents?
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100% hetero
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I'll bet they tag teamed a lot of women in the 60's and 70's.
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To be fair tren and speed probably won't help with the rage, they might err... aggrevate it :D
You look fine the way you are dude. I mean, if there must be chemical enhancements maybe consider less harsh agents?
yeah that's something to think about ;D
the rage nowadays (no pun intended) is to take a baseline test does ie. one that you can handle without sides, mine is 250 to maybe 350 and then run mast or primo
i can't stand mast it just flattens me and i lose whatever little "pop" i have, never ran primo so i'm clueless
the other ones i can run are deca and var, i respond pretty well to both of those, so maybe i'll get one of those instead
thanks for the props 8)
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I wonder if Mentzer stayed at Gay Millionaire "Paco Arse's" house like Arnie? For the nude posing for money (and other gay whoredom).
Arnie did, its well known...
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I wonder if Mentzer stayed at Gay Millionaire "Paco Arse's" house like Arnie? For the nude posing for money (and other gay whoredom).
Arnie did, its well known...
correct he is/was Bisexual & shared his bed with Paul Graham. :-X
Paul Graham went to jail & protected Arnold too.
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I wonder if Mentzer stayed at Gay Millionaire "Paco Arse's" house like Arnie? For the nude posing for money (and other gay whoredom).
Arnie don't as I don't have any proof that he did.
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yeah that's something to think about ;D
the rage nowadays (no pun intended) is to take a baseline test does ie. one that you can handle without sides, mine is 250 to maybe 350 and then run mast or primo
i can't stand mast it just flattens me and i lose whatever little "pop" i have, never ran primo so i'm clueless
the other ones i can run are deca and var, i respond pretty well to both of those, so maybe i'll get one of those instead
thanks for the props 8)
You look pretty damn shredded, just take some var and I think you would look pretty nasty. Fuck tren.
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You look pretty damn shredded, just take some var and I think you would look pretty nasty. Fuck tren.
thanks brother 8)
var is one of my all time favs but i ran dbol at a low dose 20 mg daily for like 3 months and then 10 mgs daily for one more month plus i get hammered two or three times a month so i should give my liver a break from the orals :D
i did end up getting the tren but i'll only run it @ 20 mgs a day ie 140 mgs a week what it does is crash cortisol a good thing and stops protien breakdown another good thing i've run it this low before and it works fantastic as it is the best recomp drug in exsitance
the only gear i use now is test, low dose tren, deca, var, dbol and drol
'll never waste my $$$ of mast, winny or eq again those drugs really suck for me and do almost nothing :D :D :D
one compound i'd like to try is primo but it's just so damn expensive
this bottle of tren will last me 7 weeks and i just bought creatine and eea's and they cost almost as much as the fucking tren and they will last about 6 weeks ???
the sust will also last 7 weeks and it costs less than the creatine and eea's
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Looks like Samir was defending Mentzer too.
Samir is a loyal friend who apparently was defending Mentzer after so bastard named Ken was bad mouthing him...
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Looks like Samir was defending Mentzer too.
Samir is a loyal friend who apparently was defending Mentzer after so bastard named Ken was bad mouthing him...
“Arnold and Zane are in big trouble today.” - The Lebanese Lover
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“Arnold and Zane are in big trouble today.” - The Lebanese Lover
The Zanes going down. The Schwarzeneggers going down. Come on strong, stay long, talk loud and wear the Olympia crown. Say it, believe it, achieve it - Dennis Tinerino (8th place)
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The Zanes going down. The Schwarzeneggers going down. Come on strong, stay long, talk loud and wear the Olympia crown. Say it, believe it, achieve it - Dennis Tinerino (8th place)
The pen is mightier than the muscle in this particular occasion. Remember the golden rule, doc.
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Ned Flanders?
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The pen is mightier than the muscle in this particular occasion. Remember the golden rule, doc.
Yes. I remember watching that schmoe utter the Golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. What a visionary, a truly legendary schmoe.
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That can’t be Mike or Ray. Where are the glasses? Where’s the mustache?
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;D Definitely ray d/mass took the pic.
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Yes. I remember watching that schmoe utter the Golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. What a visionary, a truly legendary schmoe.
That was Kenny the manager (of schmoes)
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It's evident that once their upper lip hair filled out, their physiques went to a whole other level
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It's evident that once their upper lip hair filled out, their physiques went to a whole other level
As did their connections... look who this is!
(http://i.postimg.cc/MK34QnZT/Ray-and-Vince.jpg)
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A rugged look that many can appreciate.
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As did their connections... look who this is!
(http://i.postimg.cc/MK34QnZT/Ray-and-Vince.jpg)
Wow the biceps supination KING!!!
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Wonder what Basile is up to. What’s funny is that with ai and 3d printers someone will make millions of the supination machine. That thing looked insane and I would’ve loved to work on my bis with that. These new machines will be the future of bodybuilding. He was the true pioneer as well as the nautilus guys.
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As did their connections... look who this is!
(http://i.postimg.cc/MK34QnZT/Ray-and-Vince.jpg)
Can you imagine, you join a gym and the guy on the left is the owner and head trainer.
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As did their connections... look who this is!
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I wonder if Ray had any idea that he was getting jerked off to?
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Find a girl that looks at you the way Samir looked at Mentzer
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Find a girl that looks at you the way Samir looked at Mentzer
Samir was admiring excellence at its highest. Pure genius.
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Find a girl that looks at you the way Samir looked at Mentzer
Samir may have trained Heavy Duty style
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Find a girl that looks at you the way Samir looked at Mentzer
we can only dream...
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He was thick in the right places and a head full hair .....No Homo
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He was thick in the right places and a head full hair .....No Homo
Solid yet vital “no homo” usage here
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I always wondered how strong was Mike, also who wins in a fight, Mike or Samir?
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The camaraderie among Mentzernites is on a whole other level. So much more positive than this hate-filled forum.
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I always wondered how strong was Mike, also who wins in a fight, Mike or Samir?
Cock fight?
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Cock fight?
Bro...
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The camaraderie among Mentzernites is on a whole other level. So much more positive than this hate-filled forum.
I'm on a running board too. Nothing but positive vibes. No wonder every single pro has been chased off of this forum. No wonder we have no women members here. The ones that claim to be women I wonder if they are lying about it.
On a side note Mentzer's greatest accomplishment might be a full head of hair. Now I don't know what they are taking but it leads to a bald head.
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I'm on a running board too. Nothing but positive vibes. No wonder every single pro has been chased off of this forum. No wonder we have no women members here. The ones that claim to be women I wonder if they are lying about it.
On a side note Mentzer's greatest accomplishment might be a full head of hair. Now I don't know what they are taking but it leads to a bald head.
RMJ11 has about 20 sham accounts... you’ll see him post under Bevo, AbrahamG, Humble Narcissist... and a lot more. Used to be Army of One
Look for an unusual dislike for Mentzer... and it’s him. Dude acts like Mentzer stole his lunch money every day at school.
He likes to refer to Mentzer as Meathead or Methzer.
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"Lou Ferrigno nervously waits for a pic with the mighty Mentzer brothers, later Ferrigno would sheepishly admit he'd have gladly paid $20 for the privilege, but the Mentzers did it gratis."
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Find a girl that looks at you the way Samir looked at Mentzer
See, I'm not getting admiration or camaraderie. I see Samir looking at Mike's stache the way Patrick Bateman looked at Paul Allen's business card.
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See, I'm not getting admiration or camaraderie. I see Samir looking at Mike's stache the way Patrick Bateman looked at Paul Allen's business card.
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See, I'm not getting admiration or camaraderie. I see Samir looking at Mike's stache the way Patrick Bateman looked at Paul Allen's business card.
This is also one of RMJ11 accounts.
Just look for the constant negative comments... and it’s RMJ11.
Then he logs into his Humble Narcissist account... and responds with an emoji.
Pathetic
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See, I'm not getting admiration or camaraderie. I see Samir looking at Mike's stache the way Patrick Bateman looked at Paul Allen's business card.
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Same person responding to each other.
AbrahamG and Bevo do it all the time. It’s the same person behind all of the accounts.
There are a lot more too.
He has dedicated the Rmj11 account to threads about Mike Mentzer
Note: it’s interesting that he used a “Patrick Bateman” reference. He is the one suffering from the Patrick Bateman syndrome.
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He never claimed 21'' arms, he said in an interview that he was measured and his arms were 18.5''
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He never claimed 21'' arms, he said in an interview that he was measured and his arms were 18.5''
I believe Mike’s words...
But they look 21”
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This is also one of RMJ11 accounts.
Just look for the constant negative comments... and it’s RMJ11.
Then he logs into his Humble Narcissist account... and responds with an emoji.
Pathetic
Tired of people here with multiple accounts. If people had one account here there would be 12 people who post here.
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Tired of people here with multiple accounts. If people had one account here there would be 12 people who post here.
Exactly
Mike has been dead for almost 25 years. Then out of the blue, suddenly, there are bunch of different accounts attacking him. It’s just one lonely person trying to create problems here.
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Same person responding to each other.
AbrahamG and Bevo do it all the time. It’s the same person behind all of the accounts.
There are a lot more too.
He has dedicated the Rmj11 account to threads about Mike Mentzer
Note: it’s interesting that he used a “Patrick Bateman” reference. He is the one suffering from the Patrick Bateman syndrome.
Surely you jest?
RMJ is clearly autistic or retarded. You merely need to look through my post's to see my thoughts, comments, literacy, and intellect are nothing like his. Plus I actually work out and have posted pictures.
Now let's see yours stud.
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Surely you jest?
RMJ is clearly autistic or retarded. You merely need to look through my post's to see my thoughts, comments, literacy, and intellect are nothing like his. Plus I actually work out and have posted pictures.
Now let's see yours stud.
You are RMJ11
And that pic isn’t you.
You need to do the “upside down coffee cup” on a table nearby to have your pic be believable
And wear the exact same shirt Phaggit
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You are RMJ11
And that pic isn’t you.
You need to do the “upside down coffee cup” on a table nearby to have your pic be believable
And wear the exact same shirt Phaggit
Ha! You are a fool and an asshat. You can see the pics I've posted in the past are the same physique.
Royalty I always thought you were allright....I figured you were a schmoe but 'to each their own'
I don't jump through hoops. So I'm doing playing games with your mickey mouse coffee cup bullshit.
Suck on this royal cock. Now excuse me. You peasant.
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Ha! You are a fool and an asset. You can see the pics I've posted in the past are the same physique.
Royalty I always thought you were allright....I figured you were a schmoe but 'to each their own'
I don't jump through hoops. So I'm doing playing games with your mickey mouse coffee cup bullshit.
Suck on this royal cock. Now excuse me. You peasant.
That poor bastard’s upper pecs went on vacation and never came back 😂
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That poor bastard’s upper pecs went on vacation and never came back 😂
Hahaha! Sure and your dick was in the seat next to me. You like coffee cups so much you go ahead and take a picture of one next to your balls. You won't because you don't have any. Queer.
Hahaha lolol.
You look like garbage next to me and I'm probably 15 years older than you lol.
" where's his upper pecs? They went on vacation. Poor bastard." Yeah.... good one.... You saw my build and you came back with 'upper pecs.' If that's all you got, I guess it's what you have to go with.
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Hahaha! Sure and your dick was in the seat next to me. You like coffee cups so much you go ahead and take a picture of one next to your balls. You won't because you don't have any. Queer.
Hahaha lolol.
You look like garbage next to me and I'm probably 15 years older than you lol.
" where's his upper pecs? They went on vacation. Poor bastard." Yeah.... good one.... You saw my build and you came back with 'upper pecs.' If that's all you got, I guess it's what you have to go with.
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Hahaha! Sure and your dick was in the seat next to me. You like coffee cups so much you go ahead and take a picture of one next to your balls. You won't because you don't have any.
Hahaha lolol.
You look like garbage next to me and I'm probably 15 years older than you lol.
" where's his upper pecs? They went on vacation. Poor bastard." Yeah.... good one.... You saw my build and you came back with 'upper pecs.' If that's all you got, I guess it's what you have to go with.
You’re other personality has showed up! 😂
The “registered sex offender”
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This is like watching dad and mom fighting in the kitchen. Running off to my room to read my muscle books
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This is like watching dad and mom fighting in the kitchen. Running off to my room to read my muscle books
You’re grounded !!! 😃
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Yeah....
So...to recap...
You said I am RMJ. Clearly I'm not.
You said my pic wasn't of me. Clearly it is.
I said you look like garbage next to me. Clearly you do.
Take your coffee cup and fill it with your tears, Peasant.
I have a feeling Peasant is one of these guys on the HIT forums for the past 2 decades worshipping Mentzer talking about the 'science' behind HIT and only has 3 lbs of added belly fat to show for it.
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This is like watching dad and mom fighting in the kitchen. Running off to my room to read my muscle books
seems to be a 3 way tie between you wazbin and henda as the funniest fellas on this site
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Yeah....
So...to recap...
You said I am RMJ. Clearly I'm not.
You said my pic wasn't of me. Clearly it is.
I said you look like garbage next to me. Clearly you do.
Take your coffee cup and fill it with your tears, Peasant.
I have a feeling Peasant is one of these guys on the HIT forums for the past 2 decades worshipping Mentzer talking about the 'science' behind HIT and only has 3 lbs of added belly fat to show for it.
Upside down coffee cup
RMJ11 is a bitch
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RMJ11 is a bitch
Correct. Rmj IS a bitch..... turns out you are also a bitch.
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Correct. Rmj IS a bitch..... turns out you are also a bitch.
You’re posting fake pics of yourself Phaggit
And you’re afraid of the “upside down coffee cup challenge”.
You are RMJ11, and you’ve been exposed 😂
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RMJ11 has suddenly stopped posting
But Beakdoctor miraculously showed up just as RMJ11 left 😂
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You’re posting fake pics of yourself Phaggit
And you’re afraid of the “upside down coffee cup challenge”.
You are RMJ11, and you’ve been exposed 😂
How does one post a fake pic of one's self? ???
Peasantry, owner of the worlds largest volume of schmoe content. Whose greatest skill is posting a smiley face next to a picture of a bodybuilder, cannot offer the slightest evidence that he's touched a weight in his life.
And don't add my pics to your collection weirdo. It's fucking creepy.
Goddamn schmoes.
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How does one post a fake pic of one's self? ???
Peasantry, owner of the worlds largest volume of schmoe content. Whose greatest skill is posting a smiley face next to a picture of a bodybuilder, cannot offer the slightest evidence that he's touched a weight in his life.
And don't add my pics to your collection weirdo. It's fucking creepy.
Goddamn schmoes.
You’re almost as angry as RMJ11 😂
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You’re almost as angry as RMJ11 😂
Yeah....
So...to recap...
You said I am RMJ. Clearly I'm not.
You said my pic wasn't of me. Clearly it is.
I said you look like garbage next to me. Clearly you do.
Take your coffee cup and fill it with your tears, Peasant.
I have a feeling Peasant is one of these guys on the HIT forums for the past 2 decades worshipping Mentzer talking about the 'science' behind HIT and only has 3 lbs of added belly fat to show for it.
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Calves and Quads and Abs
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Beakdoctor post your pictures with an open umbrella on the floor nearby.
That will suffice.
You don’t need to post the coffee cup now. You failed that test.
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Beakdoctor post your pictures with an open umbrella on the floor nearby.
That will suffice.
You don’t need to post the coffee cup now. You failed that test.
Ha! Imagine that. Peasantry thinks he's calling shots! LOL! I've posted pictures of myself for years now. I'll post what I want, when I want to post it. I'm not concerned in the least bit with proving a truth that's obvious on its face.
Imagine, the guy who absolutely will not post a pic of himself demanding some sort of criteria for a picture to be deemed credible. Haha lolol. What fucking planet are you living on. Nah, you don't call shit. Either post up or shut up. Or just go back to doing what you do best: posting pics of other men.
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Ha! Imagine that. Peasantry thinks he's calling shots! LOL! I've posted pictures of myself for years now. I'll post what I want, when I want to post it. I'm not concerned in the least bit with proving a truth that's obvious on its face.
Imagine, the guy who absolutely will not post a pic of himself demanding some sort of criteria for a picture to be deemed credible. Haha lolol. What fucking planet are you living on. Nah, you don't call shit. Either post up or shut up. Or just go back to doing what you do best: posting pics of other men.
If it’s really you... then post a pic with an open umbrella nearby
You seem to be afraid of the “upside down coffee cup challenge” and the “open umbrella challenge”
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It’s getting pretty spicy in here
Isn’t it great 😃
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Rambone speaking of SPICE 😂
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Correct. Rmj ISN'T a bitch..... but it turns out you are also a bitch.
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The sooooooothing sounds of Rauuuuuul ladies and gentlemen!
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The sooooooothing sounds of Rauuuuuul ladies and gentlemen!
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“IT’S THE SUMMER OF LOVE BABY”
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“IT’S THE SUMMER OF LOVE BABY”
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I believe Mike’s words...
But they look 21”
I believe with a pump he probably had 20-21'' arms, but he claimed in an interview that he was measured in a very strict way, with the tape perfectly in a straight line and his arms were 18.5'' cold. I wish I could find that interview somewhere, I think I read it in a magazine
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I believe with a pump he probably had 20-21'' arms, but he claimed in an interview that he was measured in a very strict way, with the tape perfectly in a straight line and his arms were 18.5'' cold. I wish I could find that interview somewhere, I think I read it in a magazine
Mike was a genius. Don't you think he knew how to measure an arm?
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Mike was a genius. Don't you think he knew how to measure an arm?
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Sarcasm is a big part of my speech.
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Mike was a genius. Don't you think he knew how to measure an arm?
I don't think he was a genius, I don't know where you got that idea from
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I don't think he was a genius, I don't know where you got that idea from
No. He was a genius. Fact.
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No. He was a genius. Fact.
Evidence for this claim?
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Evidence for this claim?
We are so far behind his thought process and mind, average men like us can't reach it. Words cannot describe his greatness.
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
You’re still upset? 😂
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
Yet,, it's almost 2024, and we are still adressing it.
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
Mentzer was a genius.
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mentzer looks like a joo with the fake nose and glasses g. marx look :D :D :D
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mentzer looks like a joo with the fake nose and glasses g. marx look :D :D :D
That picture of Mentzer on the right side of the video is awesome. It is a picture that inspired me to lift seriously.
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No. He was a genius. Fact.
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
Brutal if true
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A genius ? ROFLMAO. He is so smart he didn't even come up with the name for his fake style of training. HEAVY DUTY. Someone else suggested it. And he is such a genius he had to learn from Arthur Jones about working out . He is such a genius he became a meth addict. He is such a genius he actually believed in that bs ayn rand bitch and followed her teachings. He is such a genius he never owned ANYTHING in his life!! He is such a genius he actually believed he had a "perfect" body. He is such a genius he smoked packs a day and drank all day too ( in between meth) He is such a genius he couldn't handle critisizm He is such a genius he died poor out of shape all alone and turning gay tricks to survive. The list goes on and on.
A genius? Smh.
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Mike Mentzer vs Jeff Everson
The following is an excerpt from Mike Mentzer's
HEAVY DUTY
CHAPTER 1
BODYBUILDERS ARE CONFUSED!
The sole source of information for many of them is muscle magazines, which they read with almost religious zeal, regarding the words contained therein as if they were the revealed truth of Sacred Scripture, or as oracular pronouncements, not to be questioned, but passively accepted, on blind faith.
Most bodybuilders fail to recognize that muscle magazines are not science journals, but rather commercial catalogues whose primary reason for existence is to sell nutritional supplements and exercise equipment. (One simply can't be too careful in this time of philosophical default. Even science journals have become suspect recently, as the proliferation of cases involving fraudulent research data at the highest levels indicates.) While these publications do contain factually-based, well-reasoned articles, these are rarities so at odds with the reams of contradictory misinformation that they are rendered valueless to those with atrophied critical faculties and often overlooked by the more intelligent readers.
The notion that bodybuilding is a science has been written and talked about for decades by muscle magazine writers and certain exercise physiologist. To qualify as a legitimate, applied science, however, bodybuilding must have a consistent, rational theoretical base, something that none of the aforementioned -- aside from Arthur Jones and myself -- has ever provided. In fact, what passes today for the so-called "science of modern bodybuilding" is actually a pseudo-science. Propogated by the bodybuilding traditionalists, or orthodoxy, it is nothing more than a wanton assemblage of random, disconnected and contradictory ideas.
A number of the orthodoxy's self-styled "experts" have even alleged that there are no objective, universal principles of productive exercise. They claim that since each bodybuilder is unique, every individual bodybuilder requires a different training program. This implies that the issue of what is the best way to train to build muscle is a subjective one that can only be resolved by the random motions and blind urges of each bodybuilder.
Despite their belief that no universal principles exist, many of these same people advocate that all bodybuilders should perform 12-20 sets per bodypart, for up to two hours per session. For best gains, they recommend two and even three sessions per day six days a week, with the seventh day off -- for sabbath, I suppose. Very scientific!
The principle implicit in such thinking is "more is better." This is an ethico-economic principle: more money, more success, i.e., more values are better than less. (This principle does have a certain limited application to endurance training.) Taking a principle from one context, such as economics, and applying it uncritically and blindly to another, such as bodybuilding, is to commit the logical fallacy known as "context-switching." Some years ago, Mr. America Steve Michalik carried this erroneous notion to its logical conclusion by advocating 75-100 sets per bodypart! Michalik practiced what he preached and ended up almost literally in the grave!
Where can a confused bodybuilder find the answer to these and other pressing questions? Rick Wayne, erstwhile editor of Flex magazine, answered that question a number of years ago, claiming, "Each bodybuilder has to be his own scientific agent, and find the routine that works for him." But what if a particular bodybuilder isn't a very good scientist? No answer has ever been given.
Others have responded by suggesting that confused bodybuilders resort to instinct. An acquaintance of mine responded to this notion humorously by suggesting that if bodybuilders resorted to the "instinctive principle" to guide them in their training efforts, many of them would probably defecate and urinate on a barbell rather than lift it. Man is not an instinctual creature whose knowledge is automatic, or "hard-wired" into his nervous system, but a conceptual being who must acquire and use knowledge by a volitional cognitive effort.
The most philosophically revealing response was made by a well-known authority, and I quote, "There is a realm of truth higher than that known to scientists, and only certain people have access to it." Since reality is the realm of truth, one can only wonder as to what other realm he was referring to, what it might have to do with bodybuilding in this one, who has access to it, and by what means. All of this points to the fact that bodybuilding has brought about its own Dark Ages -- and why, therefore, so many bodybuilders become cynical and give up.
The advocates of the orthodox approach, possessing no possible theoretical defense of their argument, are forced to cite some very shabby evidence to back up their position. Quite frequently, I get the question, "If 12-20 sets is not the best way to train, how do you account for the success of guys like Arnold and Lee Haney?" The answer is that, while their physiques are, in part, the result of such training, so are the physiques of all the failures, whose numbers are legion.
Furthermore, it is a mistake to point to the "apparent" success of a couple dozen top title winners as indubitable proof that a certain training approach is efficacious. If one were to look back through the course of their bodybuilding careers, and calculate the hours, months and years of wasted effort resulting from their blind, non-theoretical, volume approach, one would have to question whether their achievement could properly be termed success at all.
It should be understood also that genetic endowment is the prime determinant of bodybuilding success. Arnold and Lee, not to mention myself, Dorian Yates and all who have achieved extraordinary levels of muscular development, possess an abundance of the requisite genetic traits, including long muscle bellies, greater than average muscle fiber density, and superior recovery ability.
There is no good reason why you should proceed with your bodybuilding career confused and uncertain any longer. Progress should not be an irregular, unpredictable or even nonexistent phenomenon. A rational approach to bodybuilding, one based on an understanding and implementation of the scientific principles of exercise and nutrition, will put you on a more satisfying path of regular progress.
Arthur Jones, the inventor of the Nautilus Machines, taught Mike Mentzer the theory of productive bodybuilding exercise.
When Pigs Fly!
by Jeff Everson -- 1995
In an article in the September '95 Flex ("A Case of Mystic Delirium"), Mike Mentzer mystically ignores my concerns raised over his one valid training theory behind bodybuilding success when, shades of Charles Atlas, he suggests I order his courses.
While he admits growing tired of answering his critics, Mike erroneously accuses me of attacking him personally. As I pointed out in an article I wrote for another magazine, I gain nothing by demeaning Mike Mentzer, nor would I want to demean him, nor could I, for that matter. I like and respect Mike for standing up for what he believes. Not too many people do that today.
I do feel Mike overreached in his response to my article, accusing me of vile impertinence and impeachment of his character (check out the quote in another issue of Flex wherein Mike refers to Franco Columbu as "Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamby lackey"). Mike's response reminds me of the saying, "If you can't convince someone of something, then try to confuse him."
Mike argues that unlike his and Arthur Jones' bodybuilding teachings -- which are the only rational, scientific and valid theoretical-based teachings in his opinion -- the rest of bodybuilding is predicated on what he calls pseudo science, a hopeless batch of erroneous assumptions strewn together haplessly, in no particular way, and this is why so many bodybuilders fail to make the grade.
Sounds convincing, I can agree with Mike that bodybuilding is at best a pseudo science, but where we differ is that I believe bodybuilding doesn't really need to be anything more than that, and I don't think it ever can be. Unlike an exact science like geometry, universal dogma has little place in bodybuilding. Sometime it makes little sense to apply scientific principles to art, too.
As I alluded to, the one-valid-theory premise -- in relation to intensity, volume, adaptation and training -- doesn't explain the results an methods of many successful bodybuilders and other athletes, including Serge Nubret, Dan Gable, Phil Grippaldi, Eric Heiden, Mike Webster and numerous others who broke the Heavy-Duty training paradigm, genetics notwithstanding.
It would be silly for me to argue that Mike's Heavy-Duty approach doesn't work. It obviously does for numerous people, and I certainly have never denied this! In fact, for all I know -- and for all MIke knows -- it may be the best system ever devised. More power to Mike's phenomenal success.
Even if that were true, and we could verify it some way, it's my opinion that anyone who uses the words "only" and "scientist" in any discussion of bodybuilding training significantly errs. It's perhaps noteworthy that none of the other popular training gurus who have attempted to provide a rational theoretical bodybuilding base -- such as Shawn Phillips, Steve Holman, Stuart McRobert, John Little, Fred Hatfield, Leo Costa, Fred Koch and others -- claim to know the only path, or the only valid scientific say to realizing a big, ripped body.
Once more, nothing Mike or I or anyone else has ever stated consists of anything but opinions and theories -- not facts but opinions and theories.
SCIENTIST BODYBUILDERS? In a past article in Flex, Mike compared Arnold Schwarzenegger's rate of muscle gain over a certain time period in relation to Casey Viator's. The comparison is specious. Casey, in the Colorado experiment, showed that one regains lost muscle tissue quickly with training, especially when starting from a conditions far below normal, as Viator did. He was coming back from a severe infection, literally almost a gangrenous condition as a result of an industrial accident that almost caused his demise.
Mike ignored this in his discussion. Plus, there is substantial evidence that Casey did more than just train a total of six hours using strict Nautilus protocols during that period, and that he spent a considerable amount of time using free weights in other sessions. (If anyone is interested in the true story, talk to Boyer Coe.)
We should ask if it was genetics that allowed Arnold to be superior to everyone else in his day, or if it might have had to do with what Arnold did during his first three years of training.
In another Flex article, Mike responded to a statement by Rick Wayne (perhaps the guru of training practicality) that each bodybuilder needs to be his own scientist to find what works best for him by replying, "What if that bodybuilder is not a very good scientist?"
To this I respond, so what? Bodybuilders will need to prove themselves scientists when pigs fly. A wise man once said that science exists only to disprove, not prove things. Alas, science can prove anything you want it to. How does that relate to bodybuilding training?
I agree with Mike that bodybuilding has often been an arena for the absurd, based on unsubstantiated beliefs. But do we have to be good scientists to be good bodybuilders? Do we really have to be able to scientifically differentiate among types of vanadyl sulfate, glutamine and creatine to grow muscle? Gee, how did Reg Park and Steve Reeves ever make it?
.UNIVERSAL TRUTHS As I said, though I wholeheartedly agree that Mike Mentzer is right on about the general training ideas, should anyone espouse universal dogma about bodybuilding when bodybuilding science is at best, an oxymoron?
Why is it that Mike Mentzer is the only person who clings to the idea that there is only one valid theory behind bodybuilding training or that only he has deciphered the scientific code to success? It's noteworthy that Mike's patron saint, Arthur Jones, himself once said, "Simply believing something doesn't make it true."
For most people, I submit that the more time they spend on being scientists, the lousier bodybuilders they will be and the more time they spend on education per se, the more confusion they develop when trying to become a great bodybuilder. In point of fact, as I have become more educated and more scientific, I have also become a worse bodybuilder. (What the hell? No great loss.)
Consider those who are respected as having investigative minds, knowledge, education and intelligence -- as being "scientific" in our industry. In no particular order, who are the scientists in our sport who also avidly bodybuild? Dr. Scott Connelly, Anthony Almeda, Dan Duchaine. Dr. Tom Deters, Dr. Brain Leibowitz, Dr. Michael Colgan, Dr. James Wright, Dr. Fred Hatfield, Jerry Brainum, John Parrilo, John Balik, Fed Koch, Chris Lydon, Arthur Jones, Steve Holman, Charles Pilliquin, Clarence Bass, Keith Klein, Bill Starr, Steve Wennerstrom, Dr. Mauro Dr. Pasquale, Dr. Bob Goldman, Dr. Terry Todd and a few others I surely missed.
With apologies to all, none of these individuals are, or were, great bodybuilders in the Robinsons / Wheeler / Coe mold.
All are fairly good but not great. If they know so much about science and also bodybuilding, why is that?
Consider all those self-styled "scientists" who inject themselves with massive doses of GH, HCG, testosterone, insulin and other toxic nonsense on a daily basis --is that scientific? I believe that most great bodybuilders are too unscientific to worry about what they might doing to their insides and will inject away with anything they can get their hands on. Call it "weird" science.
Are some bodybuilders scientists? Lee Labrada has a degree in engineering. Is building a bridge a bridge like building biceps? We can say something cute, like Lee Labrada engineered his symmetry. Although I have always said his head was too big for his body, Lee's not a scientist and, to his credit, never claimed to be.
Frank Zane taught math and has a master's degree. However, we refer to Frank as a chemist. If you think this had to do with stereoisomerism, think again, Sherlock. Besides, most scientists don't float in water tanks. Such action disqualifies. Bob Paris was burning when he stated that bodybuilding was not rocket science.
What about the Oak? If Arnie was scientific enough to develop those great arms, what about his thighs at the Mr. Olympia in 1980? Maybe Arnold was an upper-body scientist, but a lower-body janitor. Was the greatest bodybuilder in history the greatest because he was the best exercise scientist?
Indeed did Arnold become the chairman of the President's Council of Physical Fitness because of his scientific experiments on the displacement of the oxygen-hemoglobin curve, correlated with the acid-base balance of the kidney and respiratory alkalosis in bodybuilders using a stair climber at altitude?
Bob Kennedy once suggested that Schwarzenegger would go further and be bigger if he trained his biceps more scientifically. Bob felt that the young man from Graz, who worked his arms nearly every day, was working them too much. Arnold was wrong --- so wrong that he went on to develop biceps never equaled, and win seven Mr. Olympia titles in the process.
Perhaps, Arnold knew little about formal scientific methods, but he knew how to train hard, and he must been a better scientist than everyone else in 1980 because he won Mr. Olympia, right? Not!
Zulak concludes, like Rick Wayne once did, that all bodybuilders must discover the method that works best for them. Curiously, he doesn't mention anything about being a scientist. Guess what? That's because, until pigs fly, you don't have to be one to be a bodybuilder.
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Excellent stuff from both men.^
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Jeff Everson was a very smart man and a great writer. He actually wrote two articles on the same topic. One was, Until Pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder. The second the title escapes me but I'm sure I have it in my collection.
Jeff was incredibly strong and powerful. He was never as good a bodybuilder as he was a Powerlifter, Olympic lifter and a field athlete in Track. He wrote when he was watching Mentzer and big Lou on the ABC superstars struggle with a 300 lbs. push press he went to the gym the same day it aired and did it ten times. He also could clean and jerk 400lbs plus pounds. In powerlifting he was just as impressive.
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Jeff Everson was a very smart man and a great writer. He actually wrote two articles on the same topic. One was, Until Pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder. The second the title escapes me but I'm sure I have it in my collection.
Jeff was incredibly strong and powerful. He was never as good a bodybuilder as he was a Powerlifter, Olympic lifter and a field athlete in Track. He wrote when he was watching Mentzer and big Lou on the ABC superstars struggle with a 300 lbs. push press he went to the gym the same day it aired and did it ten times. He also could clean and jerk 400lbs plus pounds. In powerlifting he was just as impressive.
He was a good athlete but his greatest achievement was bagging Cory. :P
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was Mike the best ever ?
TBE
Team Money Mentz.
Genius too.
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Mentzer looking awesome here
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Mike Mentzer vs Jeff Everson
The following is an excerpt from Mike Mentzer's
HEAVY DUTY
CHAPTER 1
BODYBUILDERS ARE CONFUSED!
The sole source of information for many of them is muscle magazines, which they read with almost religious zeal, regarding the words contained therein as if they were the revealed truth of Sacred Scripture, or as oracular pronouncements, not to be questioned, but passively accepted, on blind faith.
Most bodybuilders fail to recognize that muscle magazines are not science journals, but rather commercial catalogues whose primary reason for existence is to sell nutritional supplements and exercise equipment. (One simply can't be too careful in this time of philosophical default. Even science journals have become suspect recently, as the proliferation of cases involving fraudulent research data at the highest levels indicates.) While these publications do contain factually-based, well-reasoned articles, these are rarities so at odds with the reams of contradictory misinformation that they are rendered valueless to those with atrophied critical faculties and often overlooked by the more intelligent readers.
The notion that bodybuilding is a science has been written and talked about for decades by muscle magazine writers and certain exercise physiologist. To qualify as a legitimate, applied science, however, bodybuilding must have a consistent, rational theoretical base, something that none of the aforementioned -- aside from Arthur Jones and myself -- has ever provided. In fact, what passes today for the so-called "science of modern bodybuilding" is actually a pseudo-science. Propogated by the bodybuilding traditionalists, or orthodoxy, it is nothing more than a wanton assemblage of random, disconnected and contradictory ideas.
A number of the orthodoxy's self-styled "experts" have even alleged that there are no objective, universal principles of productive exercise. They claim that since each bodybuilder is unique, every individual bodybuilder requires a different training program. This implies that the issue of what is the best way to train to build muscle is a subjective one that can only be resolved by the random motions and blind urges of each bodybuilder.
Despite their belief that no universal principles exist, many of these same people advocate that all bodybuilders should perform 12-20 sets per bodypart, for up to two hours per session. For best gains, they recommend two and even three sessions per day six days a week, with the seventh day off -- for sabbath, I suppose. Very scientific!
The principle implicit in such thinking is "more is better." This is an ethico-economic principle: more money, more success, i.e., more values are better than less. (This principle does have a certain limited application to endurance training.) Taking a principle from one context, such as economics, and applying it uncritically and blindly to another, such as bodybuilding, is to commit the logical fallacy known as "context-switching." Some years ago, Mr. America Steve Michalik carried this erroneous notion to its logical conclusion by advocating 75-100 sets per bodypart! Michalik practiced what he preached and ended up almost literally in the grave!
Where can a confused bodybuilder find the answer to these and other pressing questions? Rick Wayne, erstwhile editor of Flex magazine, answered that question a number of years ago, claiming, "Each bodybuilder has to be his own scientific agent, and find the routine that works for him." But what if a particular bodybuilder isn't a very good scientist? No answer has ever been given.
Others have responded by suggesting that confused bodybuilders resort to instinct. An acquaintance of mine responded to this notion humorously by suggesting that if bodybuilders resorted to the "instinctive principle" to guide them in their training efforts, many of them would probably defecate and urinate on a barbell rather than lift it. Man is not an instinctual creature whose knowledge is automatic, or "hard-wired" into his nervous system, but a conceptual being who must acquire and use knowledge by a volitional cognitive effort.
The most philosophically revealing response was made by a well-known authority, and I quote, "There is a realm of truth higher than that known to scientists, and only certain people have access to it." Since reality is the realm of truth, one can only wonder as to what other realm he was referring to, what it might have to do with bodybuilding in this one, who has access to it, and by what means. All of this points to the fact that bodybuilding has brought about its own Dark Ages -- and why, therefore, so many bodybuilders become cynical and give up.
The advocates of the orthodox approach, possessing no possible theoretical defense of their argument, are forced to cite some very shabby evidence to back up their position. Quite frequently, I get the question, "If 12-20 sets is not the best way to train, how do you account for the success of guys like Arnold and Lee Haney?" The answer is that, while their physiques are, in part, the result of such training, so are the physiques of all the failures, whose numbers are legion.
Furthermore, it is a mistake to point to the "apparent" success of a couple dozen top title winners as indubitable proof that a certain training approach is efficacious. If one were to look back through the course of their bodybuilding careers, and calculate the hours, months and years of wasted effort resulting from their blind, non-theoretical, volume approach, one would have to question whether their achievement could properly be termed success at all.
It should be understood also that genetic endowment is the prime determinant of bodybuilding success. Arnold and Lee, not to mention myself, Dorian Yates and all who have achieved extraordinary levels of muscular development, possess an abundance of the requisite genetic traits, including long muscle bellies, greater than average muscle fiber density, and superior recovery ability.
There is no good reason why you should proceed with your bodybuilding career confused and uncertain any longer. Progress should not be an irregular, unpredictable or even nonexistent phenomenon. A rational approach to bodybuilding, one based on an understanding and implementation of the scientific principles of exercise and nutrition, will put you on a more satisfying path of regular progress.
Arthur Jones, the inventor of the Nautilus Machines, taught Mike Mentzer the theory of productive bodybuilding exercise.
When Pigs Fly!
by Jeff Everson -- 1995
In an article in the September '95 Flex ("A Case of Mystic Delirium"), Mike Mentzer mystically ignores my concerns raised over his one valid training theory behind bodybuilding success when, shades of Charles Atlas, he suggests I order his courses.
While he admits growing tired of answering his critics, Mike erroneously accuses me of attacking him personally. As I pointed out in an article I wrote for another magazine, I gain nothing by demeaning Mike Mentzer, nor would I want to demean him, nor could I, for that matter. I like and respect Mike for standing up for what he believes. Not too many people do that today.
I do feel Mike overreached in his response to my article, accusing me of vile impertinence and impeachment of his character (check out the quote in another issue of Flex wherein Mike refers to Franco Columbu as "Arnold's weak-willed namby-pamby lackey"). Mike's response reminds me of the saying, "If you can't convince someone of something, then try to confuse him."
Mike argues that unlike his and Arthur Jones' bodybuilding teachings -- which are the only rational, scientific and valid theoretical-based teachings in his opinion -- the rest of bodybuilding is predicated on what he calls pseudo science, a hopeless batch of erroneous assumptions strewn together haplessly, in no particular way, and this is why so many bodybuilders fail to make the grade.
Sounds convincing, I can agree with Mike that bodybuilding is at best a pseudo science, but where we differ is that I believe bodybuilding doesn't really need to be anything more than that, and I don't think it ever can be. Unlike an exact science like geometry, universal dogma has little place in bodybuilding. Sometime it makes little sense to apply scientific principles to art, too.
As I alluded to, the one-valid-theory premise -- in relation to intensity, volume, adaptation and training -- doesn't explain the results an methods of many successful bodybuilders and other athletes, including Serge Nubret, Dan Gable, Phil Grippaldi, Eric Heiden, Mike Webster and numerous others who broke the Heavy-Duty training paradigm, genetics notwithstanding.
It would be silly for me to argue that Mike's Heavy-Duty approach doesn't work. It obviously does for numerous people, and I certainly have never denied this! In fact, for all I know -- and for all MIke knows -- it may be the best system ever devised. More power to Mike's phenomenal success.
Even if that were true, and we could verify it some way, it's my opinion that anyone who uses the words "only" and "scientist" in any discussion of bodybuilding training significantly errs. It's perhaps noteworthy that none of the other popular training gurus who have attempted to provide a rational theoretical bodybuilding base -- such as Shawn Phillips, Steve Holman, Stuart McRobert, John Little, Fred Hatfield, Leo Costa, Fred Koch and others -- claim to know the only path, or the only valid scientific say to realizing a big, ripped body.
Once more, nothing Mike or I or anyone else has ever stated consists of anything but opinions and theories -- not facts but opinions and theories.
SCIENTIST BODYBUILDERS? In a past article in Flex, Mike compared Arnold Schwarzenegger's rate of muscle gain over a certain time period in relation to Casey Viator's. The comparison is specious. Casey, in the Colorado experiment, showed that one regains lost muscle tissue quickly with training, especially when starting from a conditions far below normal, as Viator did. He was coming back from a severe infection, literally almost a gangrenous condition as a result of an industrial accident that almost caused his demise.
Mike ignored this in his discussion. Plus, there is substantial evidence that Casey did more than just train a total of six hours using strict Nautilus protocols during that period, and that he spent a considerable amount of time using free weights in other sessions. (If anyone is interested in the true story, talk to Boyer Coe.)
We should ask if it was genetics that allowed Arnold to be superior to everyone else in his day, or if it might have had to do with what Arnold did during his first three years of training.
In another Flex article, Mike responded to a statement by Rick Wayne (perhaps the guru of training practicality) that each bodybuilder needs to be his own scientist to find what works best for him by replying, "What if that bodybuilder is not a very good scientist?"
To this I respond, so what? Bodybuilders will need to prove themselves scientists when pigs fly. A wise man once said that science exists only to disprove, not prove things. Alas, science can prove anything you want it to. How does that relate to bodybuilding training?
I agree with Mike that bodybuilding has often been an arena for the absurd, based on unsubstantiated beliefs. But do we have to be good scientists to be good bodybuilders? Do we really have to be able to scientifically differentiate among types of vanadyl sulfate, glutamine and creatine to grow muscle? Gee, how did Reg Park and Steve Reeves ever make it?
.UNIVERSAL TRUTHS As I said, though I wholeheartedly agree that Mike Mentzer is right on about the general training ideas, should anyone espouse universal dogma about bodybuilding when bodybuilding science is at best, an oxymoron?
Why is it that Mike Mentzer is the only person who clings to the idea that there is only one valid theory behind bodybuilding training or that only he has deciphered the scientific code to success? It's noteworthy that Mike's patron saint, Arthur Jones, himself once said, "Simply believing something doesn't make it true."
For most people, I submit that the more time they spend on being scientists, the lousier bodybuilders they will be and the more time they spend on education per se, the more confusion they develop when trying to become a great bodybuilder. In point of fact, as I have become more educated and more scientific, I have also become a worse bodybuilder. (What the hell? No great loss.)
Consider those who are respected as having investigative minds, knowledge, education and intelligence -- as being "scientific" in our industry. In no particular order, who are the scientists in our sport who also avidly bodybuild? Dr. Scott Connelly, Anthony Almeda, Dan Duchaine. Dr. Tom Deters, Dr. Brain Leibowitz, Dr. Michael Colgan, Dr. James Wright, Dr. Fred Hatfield, Jerry Brainum, John Parrilo, John Balik, Fed Koch, Chris Lydon, Arthur Jones, Steve Holman, Charles Pilliquin, Clarence Bass, Keith Klein, Bill Starr, Steve Wennerstrom, Dr. Mauro Dr. Pasquale, Dr. Bob Goldman, Dr. Terry Todd and a few others I surely missed.
With apologies to all, none of these individuals are, or were, great bodybuilders in the Robinsons / Wheeler / Coe mold.
All are fairly good but not great. If they know so much about science and also bodybuilding, why is that?
Consider all those self-styled "scientists" who inject themselves with massive doses of GH, HCG, testosterone, insulin and other toxic nonsense on a daily basis --is that scientific? I believe that most great bodybuilders are too unscientific to worry about what they might doing to their insides and will inject away with anything they can get their hands on. Call it "weird" science.
Are some bodybuilders scientists? Lee Labrada has a degree in engineering. Is building a bridge a bridge like building biceps? We can say something cute, like Lee Labrada engineered his symmetry. Although I have always said his head was too big for his body, Lee's not a scientist and, to his credit, never claimed to be.
Frank Zane taught math and has a master's degree. However, we refer to Frank as a chemist. If you think this had to do with stereoisomerism, think again, Sherlock. Besides, most scientists don't float in water tanks. Such action disqualifies. Bob Paris was burning when he stated that bodybuilding was not rocket science.
What about the Oak? If Arnie was scientific enough to develop those great arms, what about his thighs at the Mr. Olympia in 1980? Maybe Arnold was an upper-body scientist, but a lower-body janitor. Was the greatest bodybuilder in history the greatest because he was the best exercise scientist?
Indeed did Arnold become the chairman of the President's Council of Physical Fitness because of his scientific experiments on the displacement of the oxygen-hemoglobin curve, correlated with the acid-base balance of the kidney and respiratory alkalosis in bodybuilders using a stair climber at altitude?
Bob Kennedy once suggested that Schwarzenegger would go further and be bigger if he trained his biceps more scientifically. Bob felt that the young man from Graz, who worked his arms nearly every day, was working them too much. Arnold was wrong --- so wrong that he went on to develop biceps never equaled, and win seven Mr. Olympia titles in the process.
Perhaps, Arnold knew little about formal scientific methods, but he knew how to train hard, and he must been a better scientist than everyone else in 1980 because he won Mr. Olympia, right? Not!
Zulak concludes, like Rick Wayne once did, that all bodybuilders must discover the method that works best for them. Curiously, he doesn't mention anything about being a scientist. Guess what? That's because, until pigs fly, you don't have to be one to be a bodybuilder.
Bro...
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Mentzer looking awesome here
Too blocky.
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Excellent stuff from Jeff.^
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Man, there's soooo many Mentzer videos out there. And he's just saying the same shit over and over and over. And each time he's saying it like he's talking about physics or nuclear fusion. I mean, the guys been dead for 20 odd years and still won't shut up..... it's a dead horse. If you like his heavy duty b.s. then do it. If you like volume then do that.
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Man, there's soooo many Mentzer videos out there. And he's just saying the same shit over and over and over. And each time he's saying it like he's talking about physics or nuclear fusion. I mean, the guys been dead for 20 odd years and still won't shut up..... it's a dead horse. If you like his heavy duty b.s. then do it. If you like volume then do that.
Unlike yourself with dozens of screen names that all say the same thing.
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Unlike yourself with dozens of screen names that all say the same thing.
Yeah....ok... Pompeii, as if it's not obvious that you are Royalty. Meanwhile I only have ever had this one name that I've posted under.... and everyone on here -who's worth talking to- knows it.
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was Mike the best failure ever ?
Pretty much.
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Arnold vs Mentzer’s student
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Arnold vs Mentzer’s student
Let's be honest here. There was another relevant difference regarding not only trainning, but chemical. Dorian started the GH/Insulin Era.
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Let's be honest here. There was another relevant difference regarding not only trainning, but chemical. Dorian started the GH/Insulin Era.
The only drugs that Dorian took were HMB and Deca.
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Einstein commenting on Mentzer and Heavy Duty...
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The only drugs that Dorian took were HMB, Deca, tons of GH and insulin.
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Arnold beating methzer ’s student even though Yates was never trained by him.
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Rmj11 has posted that pic about 50 times already
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Rmj11 has posted that pic about 50 times already
I honestly don't pay attention to him
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He was a good athlete but his greatest achievement was bagging Cory. :P
he pretty much created Cory.
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Jeff Everson was a very smart man and a great writer. He actually wrote two articles on the same topic. One was, Until Pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder. The second the title escapes me but I'm sure I have it in my collection.
Jeff was incredibly strong and powerful. He was never as good a bodybuilder as he was a Powerlifter, Olympic lifter and a field athlete in Track. He wrote when he was watching Mentzer and big Lou on the ABC superstars struggle with a 300 lbs. push press he went to the gym the same day it aired and did it ten times. He also could clean and jerk 400lbs plus pounds. In powerlifting he was just as impressive.
jeff worked out with two other guys at the university of Wisconsin.
jeff was the weakest of the three with a 560 bench paused in only a tshirt.
the other two?? Bill Kazmeier and Steve Disalvo.
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I honestly don't pay attention to methzer
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he pretty much created Cory.
Yes. She never would have even competed without him.
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Arnold looked like hell in 1980
This is pitiful
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I honestly don't pay attention to him
Does any one ::)
How old is he 12 ?
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Arnold looked great in 1980
This is superb.
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No-one pays attention to me
I am 12 years old
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Arnold No 1 in 1980 bicep
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Arnold No 1 in 1980 fat rolls
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you really are a limited chidlike specimen
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Illuminati really is a limited chidlike specimen
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methzer's gross fat ass
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And that's the best you can do. ::)
Just repeatedly re-word other peoples post's
Pathetic - go knock yourself out - carry on retard.
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Is this the best I can do?
Just crying and getting triggered by other peoples post's
Pathetic - somebody please knock me out - I'm such a retard.
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I have it on good authority that you once fought john little over a pair of mentzers soiled posing trunks and every night before going to bed you pull them over your face like a Cpap machine.
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I have it on good authority that you once fought john little over a pair of mentzers soiled posing trunks and every night before going to bed you pull them over your face like a Cpap machine.
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In a "beautiful mind" sort of way, you've spent a lot of time connecting these dots, haven't you?
I can picture you now jotting down the activity of all these user names then struggling to calculate the probability as if it were advanced chaos theory math.
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In a "beautiful mind" sort of way, you've spent a lot of time connecting these dots, haven't you?
I can picture you now jotting down the activity of all these user names then struggling to calculate the probability as if it were advanced chaos theory math.
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Original. Good post. Who's the "Robot"?
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If methzer was so great how come he's not even in the top 10 of greatest bodybuilders ever?
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If methzer was so great how come he's not even in the top 10 of greatest bodybuilders ever?
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
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If methzer was so great how come he's not even in the top 10 of greatest bodybuilders ever
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
methzer regressed with that routine. No wonder he couldn't win an Olympia.
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methzer regressed with that routine. No wonder he couldn't win an Olympia.
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The 1st official casualty of the Upside Down Coffee Cup Challenge: Beakdoctor
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Mentzer was a loser. His biggest accomplishment is losing a show and crying about it for the next 20 years. And finally dying due to his owm shitty decisions. Further more he happily ripped off his own fan base by selling them on heavy duty routines that didn't work.
Figures royalty was a fan.
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Listen. Arnold could have been 300 lbs but that is NOT what the judges or bodybuilding was about. It was an art. To achieve perfect symmetry and proportion and look like an art sculpture. Now days people just want big freaks that look stupid. They think its bodybuilding. They think bodybuilding means getting as big as possible no matter what. They say its "body- building" build the body up huge no matter. BUT that is not what it is supposed to be. So remember Arnolds greatest gift was his mind. He would and could accomplish anything . If judges wanted them to look like they do now he would have and would have been the best just like he was back then. So comparing him to these blobs nowdays is not right. He could have but was focused on true bodybuilding. Had Arnold lost in 1980 he would have been pissed and came back and beat everyone fore the next 5 years just to prove his point. Mentzer lost and lost big time. Not even close. And what did he do? quit and cry and and lose at life and you idiots think he was a "goat" He had a decent build when by himself but put him next to a real bodybuilder and he is exposed for what he was. A DECENT bodybuilder but no winner
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Mentzer was a loser. His biggest accomplishment is losing a show and crying about it for the next 20 years. And finally dying due to his owm shitty decisions. Further more he happily ripped off his own fan base by selling them on heavy duty routines that didn't work.
Figures royalty was a fan.
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How much money did you blow on Heavy Duty courses before you realized your hero was scamming you? Or are you too stupid to realize it still. Btw you have to actually workout in order for any routine to work. Fat fuck.
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Listen. Arnold could have been 300 lbs but that is NOT what the judges or bodybuilding was about. It was an art. To achieve perfect symmetry and proportion and look like an art sculpture. Now days people just want big freaks that look stupid. They think its bodybuilding. They think bodybuilding means getting as big as possible no matter what. They say its "body- building" build the body up huge no matter. BUT that is not what it is supposed to be. So remember Arnolds greatest gift was his mind. He would and could accomplish anything . If judges wanted them to look like they do now he would have and would have been the best just like he was back then. So comparing him to these blobs nowdays is not right. He could have but was focused on true bodybuilding. Had Arnold lost in 1980 he would have been pissed and came back and beat everyone fore the next 5 years just to prove his point. Mentzer lost and lost big time. Not even close. And what did he do? quit and cry and and lose at life and you idiots think he was a "goat" He had a decent build when by himself but put him next to a real bodybuilder and he is exposed for what he was. A DECENT bodybuilder but no winner
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How much money did you blow on Heavy Duty courses before you realized your hero was scamming you? Or are you too stupid to realize it still. Btw you have to actually workout in order for any routine to work. Fat fuck.
Just read any article he ever wrote. It was all the same. I can't believe anyone paid for his courses or personal training services.
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^^^^ Bodybuilders, Boxers, and MMA fighter’s are RARELY good business people.
Gary Strydom and Mike Christian did well for a while. Haney did well too.
Unfortunately, most just sell drugs.
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^^^^ Bodybuilders, Boxers, and MMA fighter’s are RARELY good business people.
Gary Strydom and Mike Christian did well for a while. Haney did well too.
Unfortunately, most just sell drugs.
It seems Europe, Middle East and Asia fall for their fart powder and pre workout junk. They seem to make a great living selling there.
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
That alternating A/B M W F routine was first introduced by the late Frank Calta, and it was called "Rotation for Recuperation"
https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2018/11/frank-calta-interview-doris-barrilleaux.html (https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2018/11/frank-calta-interview-doris-barrilleaux.html)
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Thanks for posting this, I found it quite interesting. What is it from?
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Mentzer was a loser. His biggest accomplishment is losing a show and crying about it for the next 20 years. And finally dying due to his owm shitty decisions. Further more he happily ripped off his own fan base by selling them on heavy duty routines that didn't work.
Figures royalty was a fan.
There’s a trend here. Arnold owned mentzer’s mind, and Lou as well. For decades Arnold is a happy go lucky guy, while mentzer is dead , and Lou is still selling DVD’s
Figures royalty would align himself with runner ups in a pageant contest , they are simply not winners and he can project his own insecurities and relate with them
*in coming royalty reposting the same copy and paste shit over and over * ;D
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Bevo is a registered sex offender. Apparently he was caught touching various males in a shopping mall restroom. Bevo was tackled by a janitor. The janitor pinned Bevo to the bathroom floor until the police arrived and made the arrest. The police found disgusting public bathroom video footage on Bevo’s Phone. That led to additional charges. Bevo was arrested again shortly afterwards for stalking the janitor.
“Urinal King”
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Bevo is a registered sex offender. Apparently he was caught touching various males in a shopping mall restroom. Bevo was tackled by a janitor. The janitor pinned Bevo to the bathroom floor until the police arrived and made the arrest. The police found disgusting public bathroom video footage on Bevo’s Phone. That led to additional charges. Bevo was arrested again shortly afterwards for stalking the janitor.
“Urinal King”
As predicted.
Royalty is such a good little Schmoe-cel.
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As predicted.
Royalty is such a good little Schmoe-cel.
And Beakdoctor responds immediately 😂😂😃
Hi Bevo... “Urinal cell phone video King”
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And :D responds immediately 😂😂😃
Hi Bevo... “Urinal cell phone video King”
We are all the same gimmicks, now try to guess which ones ;D
Be honest, when you saw rambone’s pic did you get a hard on?
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Definitely not Sam Sulek.
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Thanks for posting this, I found it quite interesting. What is it from?
Dorian's book From the Shadow
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No chest, undeveloped back, deformed traps, no peak in the biceps, looking very flat, no wow factor. methzer the has been that never was.
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No chest, undeveloped back, deformed traps, no peak in the biceps, looking very flat, no wow factor. methzer the has been that never was.
Yep, he always looked better in gym and beach photos. How he got a perfect score at the Universe is a mystery. As a pro he over dieted and always seemed to come in flat.
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Yep, he always looked better in gym and beach photos. How he got a perfect score at the Universe is a mystery. As a pro he over dieted and always seemed to come in flat.
Yeah we get it dummy.
It’s amazing how you continually feel the need to keep scrutinizing Mentzer with all of your gimmick accounts.
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The cock man returneth.
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The cock man returneth.
You’re small. Deal with it.
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You’re huge. I can't deal with it.🥺🥺🥺
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We are all the same gimmicks, now try to guess which ones ;D
Be honest, when you saw rambone’s pic did you get a hard on?
Does a schmoe wear grass stained sneakers?
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Does a schmoe wear grass stained sneakers?
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Does a schmoe wear grass stained sneakers?
Hahah!
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Imagine going through life with this dwarf hand & short stubby fingers
and then being dumb enough telegraph it to the bodybuilding world 😂
Looking at the forearms, its obvious that this guy doesn’t train in any capacity. Stealing pics is his thing.
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What a beast 😂
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Looks bad
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He's obsessed with cocks.
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It’s gonna be a rough year for Humble Phaggit
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Mike built a better physique than you, regardless of his training.
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The worst thing about Mike Mentzer are his cult-like fans....who all look like shit from following his flawed theory of training.
For example Royalty is weak, scrawney loser who can't stop obsessing over Mike and he looks like shit too.
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methzer built a better physique than myself since he built it by high volume training.
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The worst thing about Mike Mentzer are his cult-like fans....who all look like shit from following his flawed theory of training.
For example Royalty is weak, scrawney loser who can't stop obsessing over Mike and he looks like shit too.
YOU ARE A MISERABLE C-U-N-T
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Royal weirdo thinks gimmicks are out to get him the same way Mentzer thought the weiders were out to get him.
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Royal weirdo thinks gimmicks are out to get him the same way Mentzer thought the weiders were out to get him.
Beakdoctor is a jealous Phaggit
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The worst thing about Mike Mentzer are his cult-like fans....who all look like shit from following his flawed theory of training.
For example Royalty is weak, scrawney loser who can't stop obsessing over Mike and he looks like shit too.
never understood how one can be a menzter "follower" and make it cult like
mike himself taught that everyone should be thier own scientist and discover what works best for them and stick the fuck with it ie. freedom of thought, will, belief, practice
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Always understood how one can be a methzer "follower" and make it cult like as I'm one of these clowns.
methzer himself taught that everyone should be their own scientist and discover what works best for them and stick the fuck with it ie. freedom of thought, will, belief, practice. That's why most follow volume as it works, practically and scientifically. Hit sucks.
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never understood how one can be a menzter "follower" and make it cult like
mike himself taught that everyone should be thier own scientist and discover what works best for them and stick the fuck with it ie. freedom of thought, will, belief, practice
Mike did say that.
But....
I'm talking about his fans who have obviously missed the point.
P.S. Mike criticized volume training quite a bit, even if it did work better for some people.
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Mike did say that.
But....
I'm talking about his fans who have obviously missed the point.
P.S. Mike criticized volume training quite a bit, even if it did work better for some people.
People with small dicks should not be allowed to post at Getbig...
That means you Beakdoctor!!
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People with small dicks should not be allowed to post at Getbig...
That means including myself!!
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We all know Mike lost because of his big belly ::)
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Great pic showing just how bad methead was in 79. ( and worse in 80) I have the magazine from that 70 contest and Meth's belly was sticking out like they are now days. He could hold it in at times but when he couldn't he looked horrible!!
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Thats a particularly bad image as an example. Zane was unreal that year and Mentzer was winning going into the night show. Back then the night show was just to be for the fans and maybe for tie breakers. Mentzer already believed he had won the contest.
A similar situation happened with Danny Padilla and Robby Robinson at that years Night of Champions. Padilla had a perfect score of 300 and Robby had 298 or 299. They had them do a pose off and Robby won. He beat a guy who scored the maximum allowable points.
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The late 70s was a brief period when a Zane type physique was considered the ideal.
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We all know Mike lost because of his big belly ::)
How in the world did he win the heavyweight division with that bloated physique? Was he the only competitor?
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I can't recall who the few were in the heavyweights bit none were that good really. Most were in the under 200 lbs. In fact I think even Robby dieted down that year. I might be wrong) But I do know this had it been one class methead would have gotten beat by a whole bunch of " little guys". Even more so than in 1980! In fact his heavyweight win( in 79) was a gift in itself and so was his 5th place in 1980. I wonder how much he would have complained that year! lol LOSER
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I can't recall who the few were in the heavyweights bit none were that good really. Most were in the under 200 lbs. In fact I think even Robby dieted down that year. I might be wrong) But I do know this had it been one class methead would have gotten beat by a whole bunch of " little guys". Even more so than in 1980! In fact his heavyweight win( in 79) was a gift in itself and so was his 5th place in 1980. I wonder how much he would have complained that year! lol LOSER
79 had almost the exact same line-up as 80 minus Robby and Beckles. 80 had Arnold Samir and casey. Otherwise it was pretty much the same line up.
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I can't recall who the few were in the heavyweights bit none were that good really. Most were in the under 200 lbs. In fact I think even Robby dieted down that year. I might be wrong) But I do know this had it been one class methead would have gotten beat by a whole bunch of " little guys". Even more so than in 1980! In fact his heavyweight win( in 79) was a gift in itself and so was his 5th place in 1980. I wonder how much he would have complained that year! lol LOSER
He looked like he didn't even diet and the next year he looked over dieted.
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Those are 21 inch cannons. Mike didn’t want to admit it, but he had the biggest arms in the sport.
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^^^ Bullshit! Sam Sulek is 255 lbs and his arms are just under 19 inches. No way did 210 lb Mike have 21 inchers.
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Those are 21 inch cannons. Mike didn’t want to admit it, but he had the biggest arms in the sport.
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Mike is the only bodybuilder in the history of the sport who claimed that their arms were smaller than they actually were. Mentzer was definitely the only pro in the late 70’s/early 80’s who had 21”-22” arms.
Mike was a great role model and a great ambassador.
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Mike is the only bodybuilder in the history of the sport who claimed that their arms were smaller than they actually were. Mentzer was definitely the only pro in the late 70’s/early 80’s who had 21”-22” arms.
Mike was a great role model and a great ambassador.
His arms weren't even as big as many other pros. Arnold dwarfed him.
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HAHAHA. Try 18 inches.
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HAHAHA. Try 18 inches.
but it looks bigger ;)
stankins arm is also 18 but LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS :D :D :D :D :D :D
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i dont care what anyone says at one time he looked like a million dollars
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i dont care what anyone says at one time he looked like a million dollars
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Samir was superior to mentzer
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Going back through this thread and watching Royalty's stupidity come into full bloom.
Fucking retarded dick-head starts in on me being RMJ and only an absolute moron would draw such an obviously false conclusion.
I wasn't even talking shit about Mentzer until royalty started spewing his bullshit... and even if I was, so what? LOL a grown man has to defend his hero from online jokes? LOL. What a limp dick.
No. I was a fan of Mike until i found out what a bunch of annoying kvnts l his cult-like followers are.
LOL... Royalty, what a loser. Fyi, you limp dick, if I ever happen to be anywhere near the cemetery where that cry baby is buried, I'll piss on his grave just for you. Hell, I might even talke a selfie with an upside down coffee cup. Lord knows Mike wouldn't mind, its been about 25 years since he's had a mug of warm piss.
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Royalty is all about god, mentzer does not believe in god at all, maybe if he did he would have been saved and wouldn’t have had a such a rough life and died before 50
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Going back through this thread and watching Royalty's stupidity come into full bloom.
Fucking retarded dick-head starts in on me being RMJ and only an absolute moron would draw such an obviously false conclusion.
I wasn't even talking shit about Mentzer until royalty started spewing his bullshit... and even if I was, so what? LOL a grown man has to defend his hero from online jokes? LOL. What a limp dick.
No. I was a fan of Mike until i found out what a bunch of annoying kvnts l his cult-like followers are.
LOL... Royalty, what a loser. Fyi, you limp dick, if I ever happen to be anywhere near the cemetery where that cry baby is buried, I'll piss on his grave just for you. Hell, I might even talke a selfie with an upside down coffee cup. Lord knows Mike wouldn't mind, its been about 25 years since he's had a mug of warm piss.
I'll go a step further. I'll video myself going all MattC on his grave. Ropes and all.
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I'll go a step further. I'll video myself going all MattC on his grave. Ropes and all.
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I'll go a step further. I'll video myself going all MattC on his grave. Ropes and all.
Great idea. Again, Mike wouldn't mind. It's been about 25 years since he had a warm rope soak his stache.
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Great idea. Again, Mike wouldn't mind. It's been about 25 years since he had a warm rope soak his stache.
This really gave me the heebie jeebies.
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Samir was superior to mentzer
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Very underrated Mr. O.
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Samir was very smart too
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Very underrated Mr. O.
Looked awesome in 83 never could replicate that condition
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Looked awesome in 83 never could replicate that condition
True, he caught lightning in a bottle. He may have won again without the suspension.
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True, he caught lightning in a bottle. He may have won again without the suspension.
Correct me if I am wrong didn’t he get suspended for competing in nabba?
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Correct me if I am wrong didn’t he get suspended for competing in nabba?
Yes, but he wasn't suspended from competing in the 84 olympia. He tried to put on too much size. I thought he looked great in 84 but just not as sharp as 83. Even if he was, IDK that it would've been enough against Haney.
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Correct me if I am wrong didn’t he get suspended for competing in nabba?
It was the WABBA world championship and had a lot of great competitors. He finished 6th in the 84 Olympia and then was suspended 3 years for competing in the WABBA contest.
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Great idea. Again, Mike wouldn't mind. It's been about 25 years since he had a warm rope soak his stache.
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