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Title: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 10, 2024, 07:46:39 PM
That was a fun debate…. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 10, 2024, 08:25:48 PM
Stuck in a hotel.  Wanted to go see a movie to avoid what I predicted would be a train wreck.  Didn't like anything playing.  Stuck watching the train wreck instead.

My thoughts:

- The first question was the best question of the night:  are you better off today than four years ago.  Didn't get answered.

- Trump telling Harris that her policy positions on her website were simplistic and they are like "run spot run" made me laugh.

- Trump telling Harris he would send Harris a MAGA hat was mildly funny. 

- Trump let Harris bait him on a number of irrelevant, dumb issues.  He did a poor job of staying on message. 

- Harris just repeated memorized lines.  I was not impressed.

- Her abortion comments were just plain dumb.  After saying we need Roe v. Wade back, she said that in every state where abortion has come up for a vote in red and blue states the people have voted for freedom.  In other words, we don't need Roe v. Wade and Trump was right.  But she is not smart enough to understand it.

- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment. 

- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny.

- A bunch of stupid friggin questions from the moderators.  Peaceful transfer of power, did you lose the election, what color is Kamala Harris, etc.  Who the heck cares about that crap?

- Trump responding to the threat to democracy claim from Harris by saying Biden got 14 millions votes and she got none . . . talk about to threat democracy . . . was pretty good.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- Trump talking about how weak Harris is as demonstrated by her meeting with Zelensky and Putin invading three days later was good.

- They brought up Afghanistan, asked Harris if she bears any responsibility for how it played out, let her skate on her answer, then dropped the topic like a bad habit.  Ridiculous. 

- The moderators didn't fact check Harris and Trump failed to clearly respond to Harris lying about supporting private health insurance and opposing gun confiscation. 
 
- Talking about climate change was a waste of my time.

- Overall, Harris and her histrionics when she was not speaking looked unprofessional and non-presidential.  She sounded like someone who memorized and the repeated her lines.  Trump is unscripted and speaks more like a non-politician, but he really whiffed overall on forcing her to respond to the issues that matter.  He did hit her on her fracking lies, but not well enough.  I didn't like what I saw. 

I want that two hours of my life back.  I should have gone to go see a lousy movie. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Skeletor on September 10, 2024, 08:45:35 PM

- Harris just repeated memorized lines.  I was not impressed.

- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment. 

- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny.

- Trump responding to the threat to democracy claim from Harris by saying Biden got 14 millions votes and she got none . . . talk about to threat democracy . . . was pretty good.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- The moderators didn't fact check Harris and Trump failed to clearly respond to Harris lying about supporting private health insurance and opposing gun confiscation. 


Agreed on the above. Trump performed similarly to his debate with Biden. If anything he seemed a little sleepy at first. I wouldn't say he outright "won" but rather Kamala had the most to prove and I think she blew it (no pun intended). Muir was biased with his "fact checking". Davis was a better moderator.

Kamala's shrill voice, accent and constant repetition of "understand" was extremely annoying. Also her campaign probably told her to do all those constant poses, expressions and theatrics as she is aiming for some reaction gif/memes. She did start cackling at one point but managed to stay cackle-free afterwards. Sometimes she seemed upset if Trump was not responding as she expected to her comments.

But the media will probably declare her the clear "winner". Is there another debate scheduled between Trump and Kamala?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 10, 2024, 08:56:47 PM
I wouldn't say he outright won either. I'd say he shit the bed. How many times can you fit the fear mongering 100 million illegal immigrants who are from prisons, mental institutions and casting votes and eating pets into a presidential debate? about 6 or 8 times apparently

If there are ANY undecided voters after this debate I'd like to interview them. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 10, 2024, 09:11:10 PM
Stuck in a hotel.  Wanted to go see a movie to avoid what I predicted would be a train wreck.  Didn't like anything playing.  Stuck watching the train wreck instead.

My thoughts:

- The first question was the best question of the night:  are you better off today than four years ago.  Didn't get answered.

- Trump telling Harris that her policy positions on her website were simplistic and they are like "run spot run" made me laugh.

- Trump telling Harris he would send Harris a MAGA hat was mildly funny. 

- Trump let Harris bait him on a number of irrelevant, dumb issues.  He did a poor job of staying on message. 

- Harris just repeated memorized lines.  I was not impressed.

- Her abortion comments were just plain dumb.  After saying we need Roe v. Wade back, she said that in every state where abortion has come up for a vote in red and blue states the people have voted for freedom.  In other words, we don't need Roe v. Wade and Trump was right.  But she is not smart enough to understand it.

- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment. 

- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny.

- A bunch of stupid friggin questions from the moderators.  Peaceful transfer of power, did you lose the election, what color is Kamala Harris, etc.  Who the heck cares about that crap?

- Trump responding to the threat to democracy claim from Harris by saying Biden got 14 millions votes and she got none . . . talk about to threat democracy . . . was pretty good.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- Trump talking about how weak Harris is as demonstrated by her meeting with Zelensky and Putin invading three days later was good.

- They brought up Afghanistan, asked Harris if she bears any responsibility for how it played out, let her skate on her answer, then dropped the topic like a bad habit.  Ridiculous. 

- The moderators didn't fact check Harris and Trump failed to clearly respond to Harris lying about supporting private health insurance and opposing gun confiscation. 
 
- Talking about climate change was a waste of my time.

- Overall, Harris and her histrionics when she was not speaking looked unprofessional and non-presidential.  She sounded like someone who memorized and the repeated her lines.  Trump is unscripted and speaks more like a non-politician, but he really whiffed overall on forcing her to respond to the issues that matter.  He did hit her on her fracking lies, but not well enough.  I didn't like what I saw. 

I want that two hours of my life back.  I should have gone to go see a lousy movie.
I didn't watch the debate just saw a clip of his closing statement and he seemed to put her on the spot about how she's had 3.5 years to "fix" things, why hasn't she done it.
Are they going to have another debate? One where the moderators aren't completely biased?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 10, 2024, 11:26:31 PM
I didn't watch the debate just saw a clip of his closing statement and he seemed to put her on the spot about how she's had 3.5 years to "fix" things, why hasn't she done it.
Are they going to have another debate? One where the moderators aren't completely biased?
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So you admit you didn't bother to watch the debate, ignore he had 4 years as president to fix things, and then focus on her as vp having 3.5 to fix things and you pretend you aren't biased. Please.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Gym Rat on September 10, 2024, 11:37:22 PM
I wouldn't say he outright won either. I'd say he shit the bed. How many times can you fit the fear mongering 100 million illegal immigrants who are from prisons, mental institutions and casting votes and eating pets into a presidential debate? about 6 or 8 times apparently

If there are ANY undecided voters after this debate I'd like to interview them.

Did you watch it while sukking kiddie-caulk??
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 11, 2024, 03:57:59 AM
- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny. 

LOL...those were great.   ;D


- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.


Yup, Trump debated 3 people last night.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: GymnJuice on September 11, 2024, 04:05:36 AM
My thoughts on it as I watched it:

I thought Trump made a good point about his tariffs. If they didn't like the tariffs, then they should have gotten rid of them. Harris didn't address that.

Republicans are going to get hammered on the abortion issue. Trump was trying to dodge it by hyperbole, "they're killing babies after they're born" and talking about the West Virginia governor. I don't think that will resonate with people on the fence if abortion is a major issue for them (suburban women?)

Trump was obviously trying to score major points on immigration where he is very strong and Harris is very weak. When he riffs on immigrants eating dogs and cats I think it will turn off a lot of people and not be an effective strategy for him. People who already like Trump will laugh but people on the fence will not like it.

I think Trump did a good job dodging the "Is Kamala black" bait.

Telling Harris to go wake up Biden at 4PM was hysterical. "They threw him out like a dog... where is Biden?" Is the kind of quip that I think is helpful for Trump even if it isn't addressing a political issue. People eat that up.

I think attacking Trump for negotiating with the Taliban was weak sauce. If they're in power, then that's who you talk to.

My absolute favorite part was at the end when Trump called out Biden's son for taking millions from Ukraine, Russia, China etc. I doubt it will get much media play.

Overall though I think Kamala did better than most expected. She wasn't cackling and she didn't have some "Ukraine is a country" moment. She's been coached well on her talking points and she didn't get suckered into Trump's game like Hillary did.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 11, 2024, 04:15:40 AM
I thought Trump made a good point about his tariffs. If they didn't like the tariffs, then they should have gotten rid of them. Harris didn't address that.

Not only did they not get rid of tariffs:

"MAY 14, 2024
President Biden is directing his Trade Representative to increase tariffs under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 on $18 billion of imports from China to protect American workers and businesses."


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 11, 2024, 05:28:22 AM
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So you admit you didn't bother to watch the debate, ignore he had 4 years as president to fix things, and then focus on her as vp having 3.5 to fix things and you pretend you aren't biased. Please.
I know you're TDS retarded but try to focus. She's been there for the last 3.5 years, she's had plenty of time to do the things she claims she's going to, why hasn't she?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 06:30:00 AM
Trump missed so many softballs and could have destroyed her.

But he Trump'd it.

His abortion answers were poor and he didn't even trounce her on the border part.

Turned it off after 40 min.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 07:08:25 AM
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So you admit you didn't bother to watch the debate, ignore he had 4 years as president to fix things, and then focus on her as vp having 3.5 to fix things and you pretend you aren't biased. Please.

All the whining he did about the debate, the rules, the number of debates, Harris changing her mind, etc..etc..

And he didn't even bother to watch it.   ::)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 07:14:51 AM
She wiped the floor with him.  He just whined and lied over and over again about the same things that have been exposed as false.

People eating dogs and cats?   ::)

Jails and mental institutions being emptied and sent here?   ::)

Murdering babies after they are born?   ::)

Still no "proof" that the 2020 election was rigged.  (Despite claiming to have proof that exonerates everyone)   ::)

And the funniest part was when she baited him to go down that rabbit hole about his rallies.    :D :D :D :D

She should debate him again now.  Or maybe he will just settle for his usual middle of the night rage tweets instead.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 08:40:58 AM


Still no "proof" that the 2020 election was rigged.  (Despite claiming to have proof that exonerates everyone)   ::)


Laptop story suppression happened and affected the election.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 11, 2024, 09:22:22 AM
All the whining he did about the debate, the rules, the number of debates, Harris changing her mind, etc..etc..

And he didn't even bother to watch it.   ::)
Can you link all of those posts or are you still a typical lying liberal?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 11, 2024, 09:31:48 AM
I think she edged him in this debate.

We can poke at all sorts of things on both sides.  But IMO, She came across better.  Trump seemed to mostly attack and fear monger while she seemed, although much cliched, more focused on issues (she fear mongered too).   I missed the start. 

The assertions that she couldn't handle herself in a debate seemed untrue.  She did alright.  Much better than Biden, but who couldn't do better?

I think she is going to win this election.  SMH.  How did we get here?

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 09:33:19 AM
Can you link all of those posts or are you still a typical lying liberal?

Like I asked that weirdo Lurker, where did Trump accept this invitation to debate the cackling Kuntmala?

Where, in that little snippet of lies you quoted, does it show that Trump agreed to debate her then backed out?

Nobody knows her position on anything other than the position that got her start in politics. She is hiding from any sort of interview or debate. ::)

Like I told the other dipshit, one is selling products, the other has her token rich white guy begging for money on youtube.

Who was running against him when he agreed to the debates ???




Good thing you didn't watch the debate.  Your TDfS would have left you in a coma.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 09:48:34 AM
I think she edged him in this debate.

We can poke at all sorts of things on both sides.  But IMO, She came across better.  Trump seemed to mostly attack and fear monger while she seemed, although much cliched, more focused on issues (she fear mongered too).   I missed the start. 

The assertions that she couldn't handle herself in a debate seemed untrue.  She did alright.  Much better than Biden, but who couldn't do better?

I think she is going to win this election.  SMH.  How did we get here?

Trump sucked and missed easy opportunities to absolutely destroy her.  I honestly feel I could have been called into sub for him, unprepared and destroyed both her and the moderators.

When she blatantly lied (Very fine / J6 / 2025) a simple comment to the moderators like "are you going to fact check her like you have been me? Because I know you know that's a lie. I'll give you a chance to correct".  It would have made them all look foolish.

But, at the end of the day, I think people vote with their wallet, and Harris is fucked here, no matter how they window dress it.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 11, 2024, 10:00:38 AM
Trump sucked and missed easy opportunities to absolutely destroy her.  I honestly feel I could have been called into sub for him, unprepared and destroyed both her and the moderators.

When she blatantly lied (Very fine / J6 / 2025) a simple comment to the moderators like "are you going to fact check her like you have been me? Because I know you know that's a lie. I'll give you a chance to correct".  It would have made them all look foolish.

But, at the end of the day, I think people vote with their wallet, and Harris is fucked here, no matter how they window dress it.

Yeah, the bias was pretty apparent. Still, though, who are swing voters going to vote for?   Many will vote with their wallets.  But, many will ask themselves do I want to vote for more of Trump (with all his baggage, legit or not) or do I want to vote for something new?  I think they will see Kamala Harrie as something newer and more hopeful than Trump.

I don't think she will be a good president.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 11, 2024, 10:12:57 AM
I watched maybe 15 minutes of it before I fell asleep after coming home from a wine tasting. I feel like he was flustered and she trolled him. It sucks for him because he couldn’t keep his composure and just shoot her digs down, like the “very fine people” lie and the lie about police getting killed January 6th. He does very well when he has the upper hand, but as soon as he’s on his heels he loses it and you can tell he flustered. I’d say from what I saw, he didn’t win the debate. I’m sure she was creaming her old ass pussy with how he was melting down.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 10:16:32 AM
Laptop story suppression happened and affected the election.

Porn star adultery story suppression so it balanced it out.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 10:59:40 AM
Immediately after the debate Harris wanted to do another one.

El Lardo?   Not so much.  One ass beating on national tv was enough it seems.


Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 11:26:34 AM
Yeah, the bias was pretty apparent. Still, though, who are swing voters going to vote for?   Many will vote with their wallets.  But, many will ask themselves do I want to vote for more of Trump (with all his baggage, legit or not) or do I want to vote for something new?  I think they will see Kamala Harrie as something newer and more hopeful than Trump.

I don't think she will be a good president.

I don't think independents feel that way.  They see all the failures of the current admin and associate Harris with that.  I don't think her performance will change anyone's mind who was voting Trump.  If they vote Harris, it wasn't because of this.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 11:28:46 AM
Porn star adultery story suppression so it balanced it out.

Not even close.  Trump fidelity, or lack thereof, is widely known.

This laptop thing is so bizarre it almost doesn't seem real.

If the population knew the candidate's crackhead son actually did leave a laptop that provided evidence that contradicted so much of what said candidate was saying, it would have sunk him.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 11, 2024, 11:39:53 AM
I don't think independents feel that way.  They see all the failures of the current admin and associate Harris with that.  I don't think her performance will change anyone's mind who was voting Trump.  If they vote Harris, it wasn't because of this.
We will soon see.  It's going to be crazy.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 12:32:19 PM
Not even close.  Trump fidelity, or lack thereof, is widely known.

This laptop thing is so bizarre it almost doesn't seem real.

If the population knew the candidate's crackhead son actually did leave a laptop that provided evidence that contradicted so much of what said candidate was saying, it would have sunk him.

It might be widely known, but Christians would take offense to it.  Unless of course, they were hypocritical and fake Christians,  much like Trumpy himself.

But Hunter wasn't running for POTUS.  And the candidate for GOP which likes to portray themselves as the party of Family Values and Faith, was anything but. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 11, 2024, 12:41:56 PM
Stuck in a hotel.  Wanted to go see a movie to avoid what I predicted would be a train wreck.  Didn't like anything playing.  Stuck watching the train wreck instead.

My thoughts:

- The first question was the best question of the night:  are you better off today than four years ago.  Didn't get answered.

- Trump telling Harris that her policy positions on her website were simplistic and they are like "run spot run" made me laugh.

- Trump telling Harris he would send Harris a MAGA hat was mildly funny. 

- Trump let Harris bait him on a number of irrelevant, dumb issues.  He did a poor job of staying on message. 

- Harris just repeated memorized lines.  I was not impressed.

- Her abortion comments were just plain dumb.  After saying we need Roe v. Wade back, she said that in every state where abortion has come up for a vote in red and blue states the people have voted for freedom.  In other words, we don't need Roe v. Wade and Trump was right.  But she is not smart enough to understand it.

- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment. 

- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny.

- A bunch of stupid friggin questions from the moderators.  Peaceful transfer of power, did you lose the election, what color is Kamala Harris, etc.  Who the heck cares about that crap?

- Trump responding to the threat to democracy claim from Harris by saying Biden got 14 millions votes and she got none . . . talk about to threat democracy . . . was pretty good.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- Trump talking about how weak Harris is as demonstrated by her meeting with Zelensky and Putin invading three days later was good.

- They brought up Afghanistan, asked Harris if she bears any responsibility for how it played out, let her skate on her answer, then dropped the topic like a bad habit.  Ridiculous. 

- The moderators didn't fact check Harris and Trump failed to clearly respond to Harris lying about supporting private health insurance and opposing gun confiscation. 
 
- Talking about climate change was a waste of my time.

- Overall, Harris and her histrionics when she was not speaking looked unprofessional and non-presidential.  She sounded like someone who memorized and the repeated her lines.  Trump is unscripted and speaks more like a non-politician, but he really whiffed overall on forcing her to respond to the issues that matter.  He did hit her on her fracking lies, but not well enough.  I didn't like what I saw. 

I want that two hours of my life back.  I should have gone to go see a lousy movie.

I also thought Trump mimicking VP Harris' line was hysterical.

I thought Trump told his base exactly what they like to hear... which was nothing they had not heard before from him.

There probably won't be another debate between these two, but if there is and you are in the same situation, go to a movie instead of watching the debate. LOL!
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 11, 2024, 01:11:49 PM
It might be widely known, but Christians would take offense to it.  Unless of course, they were hypocritical and fake Christians,  much like Trumpy himself.

But Hunter wasn't running for POTUS.  And the candidate for GOP which likes to portray themselves as the party of Family Values and Faith, was anything but.

Hunter wasn't running, but the laptop proved the guy running was a liar, and possibly corrupt.

You think anyone who knew about Stormy Daniels would have changed their mind?  Lol.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 01:39:38 PM
Hunter wasn't running, but the laptop proved the guy running was a liar, and possibly corrupt.

You think anyone who knew about Stormy Daniels would have changed their mind? Lol.

So you mean the party of Family Values really were not interested in "family values" of their presidential candidate?

Of course, you don't know if that knowledge would have made someone change their mind.  Just like you don't know if the laptop story would have made someone change their mind.  It's a wash. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 04:23:40 PM
Trumpy thinks he won.   :D :D :D :D  Cognitive tests anyone?   Even his own allies don't think so. 

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RFK - "Harris clearly won"

RFK Jr. Tells Fox News That Harris ‘Clearly Won the Debate'

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=RFK+Jr.+Tells+Fox+News+That+Harris+%E2%80%98Clearly+Won+the+Debate%2C

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks Vice President Kamala Harris “clearly” won Tuesday night’s debate over former President Donald Trump, despite endorsing the Republican nominee just a few weeks ago.

The former presidential candidate told Fox News anchors Wednesday that the vice president came off more polished than the former president.

“Vice President Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization and her preparation. I think on substance, President Trump wins in terms of his governance, but he didn’t tell that story,” RFK Jr. said.
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While Donald Trump touts his debate performance, allies, donors and advisers lament it

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=While+Donald+Trump+touts+his+debate+performance%2C+allies%2C+donors+and+advisers+lament+it+

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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 11, 2024, 04:30:35 PM




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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 11, 2024, 04:46:10 PM
OCD trigger response is back.   :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 11, 2024, 04:53:22 PM
And they probably eat pets too.

I see you believe the rumor that Kamala's illegal Haitians are eating Americans' pets.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 11, 2024, 05:34:50 PM


Good thing you didn't watch the debate.  Your TDfS would have left you in a coma.
Which one of those do you see as a defense of Trump? Maybe it's your perception of anything other than an attack on Trump is seen as a defense?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 11, 2024, 09:46:15 PM

My response


https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=693810.25
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 11, 2024, 09:48:25 PM
She wiped the floor with him.  He just whined and lied over and over again about the same things that have been exposed as false.

People eating dogs and cats?   ::)

Jails and mental institutions being emptied and sent here?   ::)

Murdering babies after they are born?   ::)

Still no "proof" that the 2020 election was rigged.  (Despite claiming to have proof that exonerates everyone)   ::)

And the funniest part was when she baited him to go down that rabbit hole about his rallies.    :D :D :D :D

She should debate him again now.  Or maybe he will just settle for his usual middle of the night rage tweets instead.

All easily provable….
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 11, 2024, 09:54:24 PM
The most important numbers of the night are right here….

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 11, 2024, 10:22:25 PM
Greg Kelly from Newsmax just brought up an interesting point.  President Trump directly answered 9 of 12 questions asked of him during the debate or 75%.  Harris directly answered 2 of 11 questions or 18%.  Who won that debate?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Gym Rat on September 11, 2024, 10:53:22 PM
The most important numbers of the night are right here….

Wow, even from the very libturded "Commie Nonce Network".
Our resident commie kid-enjoyers, must be livid.

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nonce
/näns/
nounderogatory•informal
noun: nonce; plural noun: nonces
a person convicted of a sexual offense, especially child molesting.
"every girl he meets soon gets a phone call warning them he's a nonce"
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 11, 2024, 11:35:40 PM
Greg Kelly from Newsmax just brought up an interesting point.  President Trump directly answered 9 of 12 questions asked of him during the debate or 75%.  Harris directly answered 2 of 11 questions or 18%.  Who won that debate?

Sounds about right.  The moderators did nothing to try and force Harris to actually answer questions.  It was a joke. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 11, 2024, 11:38:19 PM
I also thought Trump mimicking VP Harris' line was hysterical.

I thought Trump told his base exactly what they like to hear... which was nothing they had not heard before from him.

There probably won't be another debate between these two, but if there is and you are in the same situation, go to a movie instead of watching the debate. LOL!

Oh I will definitely find a better way to spend my time than watch another clown show.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 12, 2024, 01:00:34 AM
Greg Kelly from Newsmax just brought up an interesting point.  President Trump directly answered 9 of 12 questions asked of him during the debate or 75%.  Harris directly answered 2 of 11 questions or 18%.  Who won that debate?
That's true but how do the viewers and especially independents feel about who won the debate? Trump needs to prepare better for the next debate to be more focused and not go off on so many tangents.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: obsidian on September 12, 2024, 02:16:39 AM
She wiped the floor with him.  He just whined and lied over and over again about the same things that have been exposed as false.

People eating dogs and cats?   ::)

Jails and mental institutions being emptied and sent here?   ::)

Murdering babies after they are born?   ::)

Still no "proof" that the 2020 election was rigged.  (Despite claiming to have proof that exonerates everyone)   ::)

And the funniest part was when she baited him to go down that rabbit hole about his rallies.    :D :D :D :D

She should debate him again now.  Or maybe he will just settle for his usual middle of the night rage tweets instead.
TRUMP WON THE DEBATE BY A LANDSLIDE!!! IT WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE. THREE PEOPLE DEBATED HIM BUT ONLY GARBAGE CAME OUT OF THEIR PIE HOLES.

AT LEAST YOU ARE FOR DICKS
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: obsidian on September 12, 2024, 02:18:03 AM
Trumpy thinks he won.   :D :D :D :D  Cognitive tests anyone?   Even his own allies don't think so. 

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RFK - "Harris clearly won"

RFK Jr. Tells Fox News That Harris ‘Clearly Won the Debate'

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=RFK+Jr.+Tells+Fox+News+That+Harris+%E2%80%98Clearly+Won+the+Debate%2C

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks Vice President Kamala Harris “clearly” won Tuesday night’s debate over former President Donald Trump, despite endorsing the Republican nominee just a few weeks ago.

The former presidential candidate told Fox News anchors Wednesday that the vice president came off more polished than the former president.

“Vice President Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization and her preparation. I think on substance, President Trump wins in terms of his governance, but he didn’t tell that story,” RFK Jr. said.
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While Donald Trump touts his debate performance, allies, donors and advisers lament it

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=While+Donald+Trump+touts+his+debate+performance%2C+allies%2C+donors+and+advisers+lament+it+

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TRUMP WON THE DEBATE AFTER FACING OFF AGAINST 3. DONE, DONE, AND DONE. NEXT!
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 12, 2024, 04:07:37 AM
The most important numbers of the night are right here….

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=693808.0;attach=1527528;image)

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(https://d1i4t8bqe7zgj6.cloudfront.net/thumbnails/56a80030e4b0f3f1795a9b2e/20160126_LAUGHINGimage.jpg) (https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-07/240713-donald-trump-secret-service-rally-wm-323p-6d65b1.jpg) (https://c.tenor.com/Ca3zETNoB1cAAAAd/liberal-tears.gif) (https://d1i4t8bqe7zgj6.cloudfront.net/thumbnails/56a80030e4b0f3f1795a9b2e/20160126_LAUGHINGimage.jpg) (https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-07/240713-donald-trump-secret-service-rally-wm-323p-6d65b1.jpg) (https://c.tenor.com/Ca3zETNoB1cAAAAd/liberal-tears.gif) (https://d1i4t8bqe7zgj6.cloudfront.net/thumbnails/56a80030e4b0f3f1795a9b2e/20160126_LAUGHINGimage.jpg) (https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-07/240713-donald-trump-secret-service-rally-wm-323p-6d65b1.jpg) (https://c.tenor.com/Ca3zETNoB1cAAAAd/liberal-tears.gif)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 12, 2024, 05:42:16 AM
Is there a link to that poll?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 12, 2024, 05:51:31 AM
I don't think Trump did well, but it does feel the debate didn't really hurt him surprisingly.

ABC is coming out of it looking awful, and people have seen the bias now.

But I'm also amazing how many softballs Harris threw out, that could have EASILY made her look stupid.  Trump whiffed so bad on these.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 12, 2024, 06:21:54 AM
Is there a link to that poll?

Don't know about the one Coach posted specifically, but here's this one from CNN:

"But voters who tuned in gave Trump a 20-point advantage over Harris after the debate on handling the economy, 55% to 35% – a margin that’s slightly wider than his pre-debate edge.

Debate watchers also gave Trump a 23-point advantage over Harris when it came to whom they trusted to handle immigration and a 6-point edge on handling the role of commander in chief."


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/11/politics/election-poll-trump-harris-debate/index.html
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 06:27:04 AM
All easily provable….

If so, he - and you - would have proven it by now.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 06:28:17 AM
TRUMP WON THE DEBATE BY A LANDSLIDE!!! IT WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE. THREE PEOPLE DEBATED HIM BUT ONLY GARBAGE CAME OUT OF THEIR PIE HOLES.

AT LEAST YOU ARE FOR DICKS

His own allies don't agree with you.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 06:30:32 AM


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Drudge Report Sums Up Donald Trump's Debate Performance With 2 Final Words

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Drudge+Report+Sums+Up+Donald+Trump%27s+Debate+Performance+With+2+Final+Words

“The End.”

Those are the two words the conservative Drudge Report website posted as its main headline on Tuesday night following Donald Trump’s widely panned performance in the presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.

It linked to Mediaite’s coverage of Trump being fact-checked during the debate for pushing a debunked story that migrants in Ohio are eating people’s pets.

The Matt Drudge-founded website, which has soured on Trump since backing him in the 2016 election, also linked to NBC News’ story on the theme and captioned it, “The Night Trump Lost It All.”

Another headline on the website called it Trump’s “worst performance of his career” and pointed to this story on Deadline.
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 06:34:54 AM
Is there a link to that poll?

Good luck with it being from a credible source.  If any at all. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 12, 2024, 07:52:07 AM
I don't think Trump did well, but it does feel the debate didn't really hurt him surprisingly.

ABC is coming out of it looking awful, and people have seen the bias now.

But I'm also amazing how many softballs Harris threw out, that could have EASILY made her look stupid.  Trump whiffed so bad on these.

He did whiff which is why he lost. It doesn’t matter the substance of that he answered 9 of 12 questions to Kamala’s 2 of 11. He just looked flustered and came unglued. Bad look on his part.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: GymnJuice on September 12, 2024, 09:12:59 AM
Did anyone here who considers themselves middle of the road change their mind due to the debate? I didn't.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 12, 2024, 10:02:15 AM
Did anyone here who considers themselves middle of the road change their mind due to the debate? I didn't.

I doubt it.

Trump acted like Trump, which was a disappointment, and Harris showed she has nothing of substance.

Other than the ABC moderator bias backlash, I doubt it moved the needle.

I very basically thought Trump would win when I saw the $18 meal at McDonalds.  Sounds myopic, but I think that points to the bigger picture facing most americans.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2024, 10:06:50 AM
That's true but how do the viewers and especially independents feel about who won the debate? Trump needs to prepare better for the next debate to be more focused and not go off on so many tangents.

Most independents are swinging to Trump because they’re more concerned about everyday issues like the economy and how inflation is affecting higher grocery’s and the border.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2024, 10:07:57 AM

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Drudge Report Sums Up Donald Trump's Debate Performance With 2 Final Words

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Drudge+Report+Sums+Up+Donald+Trump%27s+Debate+Performance+With+2+Final+Words

“The End.”

Those are the two words the conservative Drudge Report website posted as its main headline on Tuesday night following Donald Trump’s widely panned performance in the presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.

It linked to Mediaite’s coverage of Trump being fact-checked during the debate for pushing a debunked story that migrants in Ohio are eating people’s pets.

The Matt Drudge-founded website, which has soured on Trump since backing him in the 2016 election, also linked to NBC News’ story on the theme and captioned it, “The Night Trump Lost It All.”

Another headline on the website called it Trump’s “worst performance of his career” and pointed to this story on Deadline.
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We put the Drudge Report to rest in 2015 as a lying left rag.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2024, 10:13:15 AM
Don't know about the one Coach posted specifically, but here's this one from CNN:

"But voters who tuned in gave Trump a 20-point advantage over Harris after the debate on handling the economy, 55% to 35% – a margin that’s slightly wider than his pre-debate edge.

Debate watchers also gave Trump a 23-point advantage over Harris when it came to whom they trusted to handle immigration and a 6-point edge on handling the role of commander in chief."


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/11/politics/election-poll-trump-harris-debate/index.html

Uninformed Harris voters like Lurker, Prime, Agnostic, etc don’t care about things like this even though it does affect them as well. Dems have ran this country for 12 of the last 16 years. Their vision is to turn the country into a third world shithole like the major Dem ran cities they’re in charge of.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 01:37:22 PM
Any minute Qoach is going to post the link where that meme came from.  Right Qoach?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 02:03:18 PM
Chicken Little doesn't want another ass beating on the national stage.  :'(

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Trump changes course again, says he won't hold another debate with Harris

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+changes+course+again%2C+says+he+won%27t+hold+another+debate+with+Harris

Former President Donald Trump said in a social media post on Thursday that he will not debate Vice President Kamala Harris a second time before Election Day.

"THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!" Trump wrote on Truth Social in reference to his first debate against President Biden in late June and a second debate against Harris this week.

In the post, Trump maintained that "polls clearly show" that he won the debate, though he did not provide any evidence to back up his claim.

Three polls taken immediately after the date found that Harris outperformed Trump. CNN/SSRS showed Harris beating Trump by a margin of 63%-37%, SoCal Strategies/On Point Politics/Red Eagle Politics had Harris over Trump by 53%-34% and YouGov found that Harris bested Trump by a margin of 54%-31%.

Two other post-debate polls released Thursday showed Harris building her national lead over Trump. A national Morning Consult poll found Harris leading Trump by five points, a three-point bump following Tuesday's debate. A Reuters/Ipsos poll also found Harris with a five-point lead.

Moments after Trump announced his decision to forego another debate with Harris, the vice president took the stage at a campaign rally in Charlotte, N.C., and proclaimed "we owe it to the voters to have another debate!"

On Tuesday, Harris’s campaign called for a second debate between the two candidates to be held in October.

“Vice President Harris is ready for a second debate. Is Donald Trump?" Harris campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said in a statement Tuesday night.
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2024, 03:07:12 PM
Trump internal confidential memo


Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 12, 2024, 03:11:27 PM
The most important numbers of the night are right here….

Link please!!!!
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2024, 04:18:39 PM
Uninformed Harris voters like Lurker, Prime, Agnostic, etc don’t care about things like this even though it does affect them as well. Dems have ran this country for 12 of the last 16 years. Their vision is to turn the country into a third world shithole like the major Dem ran cities they’re in charge of.

Have you ever considered posting something in your own words, or are you only able to repeat tired statements made by others (specifically Trump), such as saying this country was turned into a 'third world shithole?' BTW, in what was specifically is the U.S. a third world shithole?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2024, 04:26:50 PM
Trump internal confidential memo

Can you explain why if Trump faired so well with a bump in the polls after the debate on September 10th he would back out of any future debates with VP Harris?

'Kamala Harris calls for another debate after Trump pours cold water on it.' Washington Examiner September 12, 2024
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 12, 2024, 05:38:06 PM
I don't think Trump did well, but it does feel the debate didn't really hurt him surprisingly.

ABC is coming out of it looking awful, and people have seen the bias now.

But I'm also amazing how many softballs Harris threw out, that could have EASILY made her look stupid.  Trump whiffed so bad on these.
I don't think either one did particularly well. From the little bit I've seen here and there, neither provided any impactful answers, although I think Trumps answers were closer to the topic of the question being asked. It looks like this debate was a huge waste of time, unimpressed.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 12, 2024, 06:06:50 PM
Don't know about the one Coach posted specifically, but here's this one from CNN:

"But voters who tuned in gave Trump a 20-point advantage over Harris after the debate on handling the economy, 55% to 35% – a margin that’s slightly wider than his pre-debate edge.

Debate watchers also gave Trump a 23-point advantage over Harris when it came to whom they trusted to handle immigration and a 6-point edge on handling the role of commander in chief."


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/11/politics/election-poll-trump-harris-debate/index.html

Thanks.

Interesting, based on those poll numbers even though 55% say Trump is better for the economy, Harris favorablity went up 6%. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 12, 2024, 07:10:40 PM
Have you ever considered posting something in your own words, or are you only able to repeat tired statements made by others (specifically Trump), such as saying this country was turned into a 'third world shithole?' BTW, in what was specifically is the U.S. a third world shithole?

Those are my words Jack, no one else’s.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 12, 2024, 08:13:10 PM
Uninformed Harris voters like Lurker, Prime, Agnostic, etc don’t care about things like this even though it does affect them as well. Dems have ran this country for 12 of the last 16 years. Their vision is to turn the country into a third world shithole like the major Dem ran cities they’re in charge of.

I always feel like I'm arguing with a 6th grader when I respond to your posts so I don't do it that often but since I am named...


There is no truth to your post on the whole, it's a far rightwing nut position that has no basis in facts... So no point responding to that. Let's talk about the debate. How do you think Trump did overall? Anything he say make you cringe? Pet eating? Emptying out Insane asylum and prisons?

1st question to Harris, Do you think this country is better off now than 4 years ago. I cringed. She could have and should have answered it with substance. I feel she instead went off on a rehearsed response she had planned to incorporate somewhere in the debate and out of I don't know, nerves, she just spat it out. Didn't answer the question.  Any of those moments for you coach from the other side when Trump was talking and you kind of sunk down in your couch?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2024, 11:19:25 PM
I always feel like I'm arguing with a 6th grader when I respond to your posts so I don't do it that often but since I am named...


There is no truth to your post on the whole, it's a far rightwing nut position that has no basis in facts... So no point responding to that. Let's talk about the debate. How do you think Trump did overall? Anything he say make you cringe? Pet eating? Emptying out Insane asylum and prisons?

1st question to Harris, Do you think this country is better off now than 4 years ago. I cringed. She could have and should have answered it with substance. I feel she instead went off on a rehearsed response she had planned to incorporate somewhere in the debate and out of I don't know, nerves, she just spat it out. Didn't answer the question.  Any of those moments for you coach from the other side when Trump was talking and you kind of sunk down in your couch?

The irony. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 13, 2024, 12:21:24 AM
The irony.

I feel the same with your posts.. so...

I ask YOU... any cringe moments Trump provided? Or are you going to be as silent as Coach...   
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 13, 2024, 01:01:29 AM
I feel the same with your posts.. so...

I ask YOU... any cringe moments Trump provided? Or are you going to be as silent as Coach...

I know you are a simpleton, and your comprehension is probably at about middle school level (hence the irony), but I posted my comments about the debate on page 1, as the second post in this thread. 

Did it bother you that the moderators "fact checked" Trump at least five times, but did not "fact check" Harris once?

Did it bother you that Harris lied about "fine people on both sides," "blood bath," and her position on fracking? 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 13, 2024, 01:49:23 AM
Most independents are swinging to Trump because they’re more concerned about everyday issues like the economy and how inflation is affecting higher grocery’s and the border.
I hope so.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: loco on September 13, 2024, 03:47:58 AM
I feel the same with your posts.. so...

I ask YOU... any cringe moments Trump provided? Or are you going to be as silent as Coach...

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=693145.0;attach=1523860;image)

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=693145.0;attach=1523862;image)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 13, 2024, 05:38:12 AM
Those are my words Jack, no one else’s.

Is that your link to that post debate meme too?   :D :D :D   You know, the one you keep avoiding.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 13, 2024, 12:59:33 PM
Those are my words Jack, no one else’s.

So then I guess started referring the U.S. as a 'third world shit hole' after he heard you say these words. turn the country into a third-world shithole,

"Donald Trump Jr. demoted the United States to “third-world shithole” status on Thursday after a jury in New York convicted his father Donald Trump."

Donald Trump brands US a ‘third-world hellhole’ run by ‘perverts’ and ‘thugs’ https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-2024-florida-speech-b2376408.html Sunday 16 July 2023

Who is Jack?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 13, 2024, 01:11:57 PM
I feel the same with your posts.. so...

I ask YOU... any cringe moments Trump provided? Or are you going to be as silent as Coach...


I’ll jump in. I watched about 15 minutes. I cringed most of the time. Some because he was spouting off nonsense about Haitians eating cats (although I do believe some of the stories shown of them killing geese and eating them) but mostly because he couldn’t get his point across because he was melting down. I haven’t seen him lack composure like that since the first Biden 2020 debate where Biden told him to shut up because he was rambling. He has some valid points, but once he gets on his heels, he’s flustered and sounds dumb. She had him on the ropes, and a more skilled orator could totally put him down but she didn’t. I supposed she figured she’d let him hang himself, rather than possibly hang herself too.


I also didn’t like the lack of fact checking, but he should’ve called her out for the “bloodbath” “very fine people” remarks as well as saying cops died at the January 6th riot. The only person that died was some fat Trump supporters of heart attacks and that lady who got shot for charging that cop.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 13, 2024, 09:19:16 PM
NYT admits Harris supports funding migrant sex changes in fact-check ruling Trump's claim 'needs context'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-admits-harris-supports-funding-migrant-sex-changes-fact-check-ruling-trumps-claim-needs-context
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 13, 2024, 10:54:00 PM

I’ll jump in. I watched about 15 minutes. I cringed most of the time. Some because he was spouting off nonsense about Haitians eating cats (although I do believe some of the stories shown of them killing geese and eating them) but mostly because he couldn’t get his point across because he was melting down. I haven’t seen him lack composure like that since the first Biden 2020 debate where Biden told him to shut up because he was rambling. He has some valid points, but once he gets on his heels, he’s flustered and sounds dumb. She had him on the ropes, and a more skilled orator couldn’t totally put him down but she didn’t. I supposed she figured she’d let him hang himself, rather than possibly hang herself too.


I also didn’t like the lack of fact checking, but he should’ve called her out for the “bloodbath” “very fine people” remarks as well as saying cops died at the January 6th riot. The only person that died was some fat Trump supporters of heart attacks and that lady who got shot for charging that cop.

I appreciate your response. You have the character to not pretend Trump knocked it out of the ball park like few others have. Thank you
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 14, 2024, 06:43:17 AM
I appreciate your response. You have the character to not pretend Trump knocked it out of the ball park like few others have. Thank you

Pretty much everyone in this thread has said Trump didn't knock it out of the park.  Most agreed he lost on performance.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2024, 06:52:14 AM
NYT admits Harris supports funding migrant sex changes in fact-check ruling Trump's claim 'needs context'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-admits-harris-supports-funding-migrant-sex-changes-fact-check-ruling-trumps-claim-needs-context

Still no link to that previous meme?  Why is no one surprised?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2024, 06:53:12 AM
Pretty much everyone in this thread has said Trump didn't knock it out of the park.  Most agreed he lost on performance.

And substance. And policy discussion.  And all around acting like anything other than a deranged uncle you keep locked in the bedroom when company is over.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 14, 2024, 07:22:12 AM
And substance. And policy discussion.  And all around acting like anything other than a deranged uncle you keep locked in the bedroom when company is over.

After the Biden debacle, the left lost any moral high ground when it comes to criticizing someone's mental state.

The fact that he's still in "charge" is insane.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2024, 07:52:13 AM
After the Biden debacle, the left lost any moral high ground when it comes to criticizing someone's mental state.

The fact that he's still in "charge" is insane.

After this debate, the right lost any  moral high ground and excuse for not demanding a cognitive test of their candidate.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 14, 2024, 08:01:25 AM
After this debate, the right lost any  moral high ground and excuse for not demanding a cognitive test of their candidate.

He didn't act any different than he normally does.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2024, 09:49:22 AM
He didn't act any different than he normally does.

Exactly.  Nonstop lying, making up imaginary policy or plans, can't stop crying about rally sizes, nothing but me me me me me, not a single thing did he actively point out for the voters.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 14, 2024, 02:02:26 PM
He didn't act any different than he normally does.

Exactly. Just more of the same old nonsense that his followers take and as gospel.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 14, 2024, 02:12:26 PM
Exactly. Just more of the same old nonsense that his followers take and as gospel.

Each side's base does the same for their candidates.  Harris' side ignore all her faults, gaffes, flip flops, lies, and everything else Trump's does for him. It's really no different.

So many conservatives were critical of Trump's performance.  Tons viewed it objectively.

It was a missed opportunity from him for sure, but it didn't seem to move the needle much.  Harris went on a softball interview the next day an answered "What specifically would you do to help the economy" and her answer was basically "I grew up middle class where people took good care of their lawns".  It literally was not much more than that.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 14, 2024, 02:59:17 PM
Each side's base does the same for their candidates.  Harris' side ignore all her faults, gaffes, flip flops, lies, and everything else Trump's does for him. It's really no different.

So many conservatives were critical of Trump's performance.  Tons viewed it objectively.

It was a missed opportunity from him for sure, but it didn't seem to move the needle much.  Harris went on a softball interview the next day an answered "What specifically would you do to help the economy" and her answer was basically "I grew up middle class where people took good care of their lawns".  It literally was not much more than that.

Weren't we talking about the debate? Friday's interview gave her the opportunity to go into a lot more detail about herself, her feelings and her plans for action when she is elected President.  Did you have the opportunity to watch this interview? If not, check it out. Pretty cool, she is wearing Chuck Taylor All Stars. -Guess she wasn't concerned about her height. 
 

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 14, 2024, 06:52:46 PM
Weren't we talking about the debate? Friday's interview gave her the opportunity to go into a lot more detail about herself, her feelings and her plans for action when she is elected President.  Did you have the opportunity to watch this interview? If not, check it out. Pretty cool, she is wearing Chuck Taylor All Stars. -Guess she wasn't concerned about her height. 
 



I literally referred to it in the post you responded to.

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Harris went on a softball interview the next day an answered "What specifically would you do to help the economy" and her answer was basically "I grew up middle class where people took good care of their lawns".  It literally was not much more than that.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 14, 2024, 06:54:45 PM
Do you even read what I post?


You know what his answer will consist of. Not the exact wording, but I have my ideas of what the message will be. There will be no real answer.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 15, 2024, 09:47:09 AM

You know what his answer will consist of. Not the exact wording, but I have my ideas of what the message will be. There will be no real answer.

I changed the wording because I thought I sounded confrontational, but man.  He used the same interview I used to make my point as a counter.  That interview showed she has no substance.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/opinion/kamala-harris-and-her-media-tactics-reveal-how-unqualified-she-is-as-president/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 15, 2024, 01:28:25 PM
I literally referred to it in the post you responded to.

Yes, you did. In fact, you referred to both the debate and the interview. Your post also mentions Harris' comments about growing up middle-class and people being proud of their lawns. Furthermore, you wrote that her side ignores all her faults, gaffes, flip flops, and lies. One might conclude that you think VP Harris’ comments on how she was raised were somehow a fault, flip-flop, gaffe, or a lie. I do not see anything wrong with what she said during the interview or when she mentioned growing up middle-class in the debate. I posted the video of the interview so folks on Getbig could hear her remarks in context.

Speaking of comments, have you read or heard what Trump posted today on Truth Social? He wrote, "I hate Taylor Swift." This may be one of the most truthful things he has ever said. I give him credit for his honesty. However, I do not see it as a wise campaign move. IMO, he would have better served himself if avoided saying anything about Taylor Swift either positive or negative. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 15, 2024, 01:30:32 PM
Yes, you did. In fact, you referred to both the debate and the interview. Your post also mentions Harris' comments about growing up middle-class and people being proud of their lawns. Furthermore, you wrote that her side ignores all her faults, gaffes, flip flops, and lies. One might conclude that you think VP Harris’ comments on how she was raised was somehow a fault, flip-flop, gaffe, or a lie. I do not see anything wrong with what she said during the interview or when she mentioned growing up middle-class in the debate. I posted the video of the interview so folks on Getbig could hear her remarks in context.

Yes, there's nothing wrong with saying you grew up middle class with nice lawns.....except if you're running for President and the question was "WHAT WOULD YOU DO SPECIFICALLY TO HELP THE ECONOMY".

Geez man.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 15, 2024, 01:40:52 PM
Yes, there's nothing wrong with saying you grew up middle class with nice lawns.....except if you're running for President and the question was "WHAT WOULD YOU DO SPECIFICALLY TO HELP THE ECONOMY".

Geez man.

Many people have commented about not knowing who she is as a person. Unlike Trump, VP Harris is, or was not a celebrity whose entire life is publicized.

During that interview, she answered the questions he asked.

Geeze man.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 15, 2024, 01:48:02 PM
Yes, you did. In fact, you referred to both the debate and the interview. Your post also mentions Harris' comments about growing up middle-class and people being proud of their lawns. Furthermore, you wrote that her side ignores all her faults, gaffes, flip flops, and lies. One might conclude that you think VP Harris’ comments on how she was raised were somehow a fault, flip-flop, gaffe, or a lie. I do not see anything wrong with what she said during the interview or when she mentioned growing up middle-class in the debate. I posted the video of the interview so folks on Getbig could hear her remarks in context.

Speaking of comments, have you read or heard what Trump posted today on Truth Social? He wrote, "I hate Taylor Swift." This may be one of the most truthful things he has ever said. I give him credit for his honesty. However, I do not see it as a wise campaign move. IMO, he would have better served himself if avoided saying anything about Taylor Swift either positive or negative.


Insanity, but this is what I thought you’d post.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 15, 2024, 01:48:52 PM
Many people have commented about not knowing who she is as a person. Unlike Trump, VP Harris is, or was not a celebrity whose entire life is publicized.

During that interview, she answered the questions he asked.

Geeze man.

You're in another world.

She was asked "what specifically would you do to help the economy" and she absolutely did not answer it.

The Taylor Swift comment was more Trump dumb-assery
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 15, 2024, 02:29:54 PM
You're in another world.

She was asked "what specifically would you do to help the economy" and she absolutely did not answer it.

The Taylor Swift comment was more Trump dumb-assery

What world would that be? I believe we were discussing what VP Harris said not what she did not say.

VP Harris did answer the question in the interview with Brian Taff. I believe this was at about 3:12 into it.

In the event you missed it and are interested in what VP Harris is saying she and her administration would do to help the economy, here is a previous video of her talking about this.

"Aug 16, 2024  #kamalaharris #news #economy
Vice President Kamala Harris rolled out her plan to address specific economic policies Friday while campaigning in Raleigh, North Carolina. Her proposals include subsidizing low-wage workers and families with children. Harris also proposed some benefits for first-time homebuyers."

i=CfWVEb7y19xvSzkg

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: deadz on September 15, 2024, 02:38:54 PM
What world would that be? I believe we were discussing what VP Harris said not what she did not say.

In the event you missed it and are interested in what VP Harris is saying she and her administration would do to help the economy, here is a video of her talking about this.

"Aug 16, 2024  #kamalaharris #news #economy
Vice President Kamala Harris rolled out her plan to address specific economic policies Friday while campaigning in Raleigh, North Carolina. Her proposals include subsidizing low-wage workers and families with children. Harris also proposed some benefits for first-time homebuyers."

i=CfWVEb7y19xvSzkg
She's a liar, sad that you and others cannot see it.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 15, 2024, 02:45:22 PM
She's a liar, sad that you and others cannot see it.

Trump is a liar, sad that you and others choose to ignore it.

FYI, I have said and posted many times that politicians tell folks what they want to hear. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because the truth can be hard for them to hear.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: deadz on September 15, 2024, 02:57:44 PM
Trump is a liar, sad that you and others choose to ignore it.

FYI, I have said and posted many times that politicians tell folks what they want to hear. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because the truth can be hard for them to hear.
If you say so.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 15, 2024, 04:01:11 PM
What world would that be? I believe we were discussing what VP Harris said not what she did not say.

VP Harris did answer the question in the interview with Brian Taff. I believe this was at about 3:12 into it.

In the event you missed it and are interested in what VP Harris is saying she and her administration would do to help the economy, here is a previous video of her talking about this.

"Aug 16, 2024  #kamalaharris #news #economy
Vice President Kamala Harris rolled out her plan to address specific economic policies Friday while campaigning in Raleigh, North Carolina. Her proposals include subsidizing low-wage workers and families with children. Harris also proposed some benefits for first-time homebuyers."

i=CfWVEb7y19xvSzkg

The world where someone asks for specific examples of what someone would do to help the economy, and answer with growing up middle class with nice lawns.  That world.  At the very beginning I've pointed out this specific example at this specific interview, and you still think she answered the question.

Child Tax credits and 25k for housing will not curb inflation, interest rates, or stimulate the economy.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 15, 2024, 04:18:54 PM
Yes, there's nothing wrong with saying you grew up middle class with nice lawns.....except if you're running for President and the question was "WHAT WOULD YOU DO SPECIFICALLY TO HELP THE ECONOMY".

Geez man.

Would saying "I have a concept" be acceptable?   :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 15, 2024, 06:32:52 PM
You're in another world.

She was asked "what specifically would you do to help the economy" and she absolutely did not answer it.

The Taylor Swift comment was more Trump dumb-assery
LMAO!! Keep fighting the good fight. :D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2024, 06:23:27 AM

Child Tax credits and 25k for housing will not curb inflation, interest rates, or stimulate the economy.

Neither will tariffs, corporate tax credits, or a concept of a healthcare plan.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 16, 2024, 07:15:58 AM
You're in another world.

She was asked "what specifically would you do to help the economy" and she absolutely did not answer it.

The Taylor Swift comment was more Trump dumb-assery

When was she asked that in the debate? This is all I could find about a plan.


DAVID MUIR: So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

DAVID MUIR: We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate. But I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm going to tell you all, in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling. What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again. I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America. What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit. Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you, because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2024, 08:23:48 AM
Trump is a liar, sad that you and others choose to ignore it.

FYI, I have said and posted many times that politicians tell folks what they want to hear. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because the truth can be hard for them to hear.

Seek help you demented old fool. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2024, 10:24:52 AM
When was she asked that in the debate? This is all I could find about a plan.


DAVID MUIR: So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

DAVID MUIR: We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate. But I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm going to tell you all, in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling. What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again. I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America. What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit. Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you, because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

She was asked in her first solo softball interview. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2024, 10:36:55 AM
ABC Moderator Linsey Davis Admits: ‘Fact-checking’ Was Only Planned for Trump
Joel B. Pollak
15 Sep 2024
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2024/09/15/abc-moderator-linsey-davis-admits-fact-checking-was-only-planned-for-trump/
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2024, 10:41:36 AM
The fact checking the debate moderators failed to do with Harris.

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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 16, 2024, 10:48:47 AM
When was she asked that in the debate? This is all I could find about a plan.


DAVID MUIR: So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

DAVID MUIR: We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate. But I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm going to tell you all, in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling. What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again. I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America. What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit. Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you, because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

We had pivoted to her softball interview after the debate.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: OzmO on September 16, 2024, 11:43:23 AM
We had pivoted to her softball interview after the debate.

I see, any transcript on that?

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 16, 2024, 12:13:46 PM
I see, any transcript on that?

The whole video is posted on the previous page.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/us-news/kamala-harris-served-word-salad-in-abc-interview-critics/
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2024, 02:52:00 PM
He makes good points.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 16, 2024, 02:53:25 PM
The world where someone asks for specific examples of what someone would do to help the economy, and answer with growing up middle class with nice lawns.  That world.  At the very beginning I've pointed out this specific example at this specific interview, and you still think she answered the question.

Child Tax credits and 25k for housing will not curb inflation, interest rates, or stimulate the economy.

Apparently, you stopped watching the video immediately after her 'growing up middleclass' or you would know she answered his question.

Since you know curbing inflation, interest rates, or stimulating the economy will not stimulate the economy, what do you think will?

* BTW, the current rate of inflation is 2.5%. The lowest rate of inflation in the U.S. was 1.15% in   1928. A year later, the stock market crashed, and the Great Depression commenced and lasted until 1941. In 1942 the rate of inflation was 10.92%.

* The federal funds rate soared to 20% in December 1980. The lowest it has dropped is effectively 0% in 2008 and 2020. 

* From late 1982 to mid-1990 economic growth was 4% a year. Between 1993 and 2000, the United States had the best economic performance of the past three decades. Currently the U.S. GDP is at 3.00%. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2024, 03:07:14 PM
Apparently, you stopped watching the video immediately after her 'growing up middleclass' or you would know she answered his question.

Since you know curbing inflation, interest rates, or stimulating the economy will not stimulate the economy, what do you think will?

* BTW, the current rate of inflation is 2.5%. The lowest rate of inflation in the U.S. was 1.15% in   1928. A year later, the stock market crashed, and the Great Depression commenced and lasted until 1941. In 1942 the rate of inflation was 10.92%.

* The federal funds rate soared to 20% in December 1980. The lowest it has dropped is effectively 0% in 2008 and 2020. 

* From late 1982 to mid-1990 economic growth was 4% a year. Between 1993 and 2000, the United States had the best economic performance of the past three decades. Currently the U.S. GDP is at 3.00%.

But.... but.....      *whine*
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2024, 11:06:35 PM
If this is legit it speaks volumes about how weak, unintelligent, and dishonest Kamala Harris and the mainstream media are.  If she needs these kinds of advantages to answer questions in a debate with Trump, there is no way she will have what it takes to deal with world leaders.  God help us if that woman gets elected. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXiAOg7XUAAkpkR?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXiATwPWIAAt2t0?format=jpg&name=large)
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 17, 2024, 04:07:23 AM
If this is legit it speaks volumes about how weak, unintelligent, and dishonest Kamala Harris and the mainstream media are.  If she needs these kinds of advantages to answer questions in a debate with Trump, there is no way she will have what it takes to deal with world leaders.  God help us if that woman gets elected. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXiAOg7XUAAkpkR?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXiATwPWIAAt2t0?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXiAZ-DWYAEe7os?format=jpg&name=large)

Is this the whistleblower that was later killed in the mysterious car crash?   :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: GymnJuice on September 17, 2024, 04:16:42 AM
So according to that Harris blocked any questions about the health of Biden, her tenure as attorney general in San Francisco, and her brother-in-law Tony West. Sometimes what people aren't allowed to ask is more interesting than what is asked. I didn't even know anything about West. I had to google him.

I wonder what, if any, questions were barred by Trump?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2024, 11:13:57 AM
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 17, 2024, 04:18:59 PM
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 did you see this?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1834625570908545271
Where's the getlibs to discuss her lies and blow them out of proportion like they do with Trump? They don't want to talk about this?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 18, 2024, 12:48:36 AM
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Hi
@ABC
 
@DavidMuir
 did you see this?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1834625570908545271
I thought that was bullshit when I first saw the debate.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 18, 2024, 06:08:51 AM
Where's the getlibs to discuss her lies and blow them out of proportion like they do with Trump? They don't want to talk about this?

What is hilarious is that she stays to "stop with rhetoric" of saying she's going to take guns.

This is after she said Trump would implement Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban, after Trump has repeatedly said he won't.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 18, 2024, 10:25:17 AM
Is this the whistleblower that was later killed in the mysterious car crash?   :D :D :D

Why does this sound more and more exactly like the type of rabbit hole retarded Qoach would fall for?   :D :D :D

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ABC+Finally+Addresses+MAGA+%E2%80%98Affidavit%E2%80%99+Claiming+It+Helped+Harris+Win+Debate.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2024, 12:10:14 PM
What is hilarious is that she stays to "stop with rhetoric" of saying she's going to take guns.

This is after she said Trump would implement Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban, after Trump has repeatedly said he won't.

Trump says a lot of things. The problem is he's lied so much, that even if he told the truth, many folks would understandably believe it is a lie.

Does Trump have a selective memory or is he senile and honestly cannot remember what he says?

Trump has claimed to know “nothing” about the conservative road map for a second term, but some of his top former advisers are heavily involved with it, including Russ Vought.

"I know nothing about Project 2025," he said in a Truth Social post Friday June 5th. "I have no idea who is behind it.”

'Vought, one of the key authors of Project 2025. He is also the Republican National Committee’s platform policy director.'

Vought has spent years churning out plans for a second Trump administration. Now he's helping drafting the GOP's 2024 platform — and could be White House chief ..'
 
Trump spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation-what-know-rcna161338
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 18, 2024, 02:15:13 PM
Someone mentioned a word salad?

How are you going to bring down grocery prices?
Windmills
Restricting food imports
Being popular
Oil drilling


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Pressed on grocery prices, Trump struggles to answer (again)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Pressed+on+grocery+prices%2C+Trump+struggles+to+answer+%28again%29

At his latest town-hall-style event, Donald Trump was asked by a woman in Michigan how, in a second term, he’d bring down the cost of groceries. The former president responded with a great many words, including comments about windmills, though he didn’t quite get around to answering the question directly.

To the extent that there was a kernel of an idea in the Republican’s response, Trump suggested that he expected to lower food costs for consumers by restricting food imports, which really doesn’t make any sense.

This was not, however, an isolated incident. The GOP candidate also fielded some voters’ questions in Wisconsin a few weeks ago and was asked about how he’d lower consumer prices. Trump struggled to answer then, too.

Three weeks before that, he also fielded questions from voters at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota, one of whom asked about high consumer prices. Trump initially responded by talking about his popularity among those at the event, before suggesting that oil drilling — which the United States is already doing at record levels — will solve everyone’s troubles.
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 18, 2024, 02:57:34 PM
Trump says a lot of things. The problem is he's lied so much, that even if he told the truth, many folks would understandably believe it is a lie.

Does Trump have a selective memory or is he senile and honestly cannot remember what he says?

Trump has claimed to know “nothing” about the conservative road map for a second term, but some of his top former advisers are heavily involved with it, including Russ Vought.

"I know nothing about Project 2025," he said in a Truth Social post Friday June 5th. "I have no idea who is behind it.”

'Vought, one of the key authors of Project 2025. He is also the Republican National Committee’s platform policy director.'

Vought has spent years churning out plans for a second Trump administration. Now he's helping drafting the GOP's 2024 platform — and could be White House chief ..'
 
Trump spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation-what-know-rcna161338

He has repeatedly denied ever having any plans to implement project 2025.  He's even said it was written by fringe elements and completely denounced it.

He said the same about the federal abortion ban.

Kamala has said the opposite on so many things - fracking, gun buyback, etc that she has no  right to lecture anyone about accusing her of something she says she won't do.  Her own words contradict her.

Trump has never endorsed 2025 or the Federal abortion ban.

But it is amazing how subjective folks are with Trump - they take him literally at face value without context when it suits them (bloodbath, won't have to vote anymore), but then say he doesn't mean what he says when it doesn't.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 18, 2024, 03:31:46 PM
Why does this sound more and more exactly like the type of rabbit hole retarded Qoach would fall for?   :D :D :D

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ABC+Finally+Addresses+MAGA+%E2%80%98Affidavit%E2%80%99+Claiming+It+Helped+Harris+Win+Debate.

Which article are you citing? 

And ABC issuing a blanket denial does not debunk anything.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2024, 04:34:23 PM
What is hilarious is that she stays to "stop with rhetoric" of saying she's going to take guns.

This is after she said Trump would implement Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban, after Trump has repeatedly said he won't.
It's typical for them, the hypocrisy, to avoid the glaring faults with their candidates. It's one of the things dems do well, stick together no matter how idiotic the subject.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2024, 05:13:47 PM
He has repeatedly denied ever having any plans to implement project 2025.  He's even said it was written by fringe elements and completely denounced it.

He said the same about the federal abortion ban.

Kamala has said the opposite on so many things - fracking, gun buyback, etc that she has no  right to lecture anyone about accusing her of something she says she won't do.  Her own words contradict her.

Trump has never endorsed 2025 or the Federal abortion ban.

But it is amazing how subjective folks are with Trump - they take him literally at face value without context when it suits them (bloodbath, won't have to vote anymore), but then say he doesn't mean what he says when it doesn't.

Politicians lie. They tell folks what they want to hear. I have posted/said this multiple times. Both candidates are presently attempting to moderate what they originally championed in order to broaden their support. If you want to believe what Trump only recently claims about project 2025, go for it. 

VP Harris was at least honest enough to admit that once she knew more about fracking, she realized it would not be a good thing to do. On the other hand, Trump first supported and then claimed not to know what Project 2025 was or who was involved in it.

BTW, do you know what year it was that VP Harris opposed fracking? I believe it was when she was a senator which had to be at least four years ago. Trump was 'in bed' with the project 2025 folks earlier this year, about 6 months ago.   
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 18, 2024, 06:08:20 PM
Politicians lie. They tell folks what they want to hear. I have posted/said this multiple times. Both candidates are presently attempting to moderate what they originally championed in order to broaden their support. If you want to believe what Trump only recently claims about project 2025, go for it. 

VP Harris was at least honest enough to admit that once she knew more about fracking, she realized it would not be a good thing to do. On the other hand, Trump first supported and then claimed not to know what Project 2025 was or who was involved in it.

BTW, do you know what year it was that VP Harris opposed fracking? I believe it was when she was a senator which had to be at least four years ago. Trump was 'in bed' with the project 2025 folks earlier this year, about 6 months ago.

Harris has not been honest about fracking.  She wanted to ban fracking for years.  Now she claims that she vowed not to ban fracking during her debate in 2020.  She lied.  All she said in 2020 was that Joe Biden would not ban fracking.  She is a liar.  And not just about fracking. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 18, 2024, 06:27:09 PM
Harris has not been honest about fracking.  She wanted to ban fracking for years.  Now she claims that she vowed not to ban fracking during her debate in 2020.  She lied.  All she said in 2020 was that Joe Biden would not ban fracking.  She is a liar.  And not just about fracking.

Yada, yada, yada, politicians lie.

Did you watch the 2020 debate? Did she or did she not vow not to ban fracking then? Seems she kind of hedged her bet at that debate when it seems Harris didn’t actually say she changed her own position on the issue—instead she said then-Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden “will not end fracking.” Wouldn't you suppose she would have to change her position on fracking when she became Vice President?

The point I made is that in June of this year, Trump supported Project 2025, less than 6 months later he says he knows nothing about Project 2025. Like Harris he could have said he once supported it until he learned out more about it now, he feels differently. People, even politicians change their minds which is fine. Pretending you never heard of something and know nothing about it different when you obviously do, is quite a leap from simply changing one's mind about something.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 18, 2024, 07:35:39 PM
Politicians lie. They tell folks what they want to hear. I have posted/said this multiple times. Both candidates are presently attempting to moderate what they originally championed in order to broaden their support. If you want to believe what Trump only recently claims about project 2025, go for it. 

VP Harris was at least honest enough to admit that once she knew more about fracking, she realized it would not be a good thing to do. On the other hand, Trump first supported and then claimed not to know what Project 2025 was or who was involved in it.

BTW, do you know what year it was that VP Harris opposed fracking? I believe it was when she was a senator which had to be at least four years ago. Trump was 'in bed' with the project 2025 folks earlier this year, about 6 months ago.

He has never once said he would do it.  He has said the opposite every time.

He also said he made mistakes with his appointed positions when he first got in office, and won't make them again.  He's also working with Gabbard, etc RFK Jr, Musk, on transition and such.  There will be no project 2025.  There might be elements of it, because there are some good things in there, but nobody will give the office of the President the power it states, and there will be no tribunals and such.

It's telling that you say all politicians lie, and subjectively not believe Trump, but believe Harris changed her position because "she learned more"....She changed her tune because the left needs to win PA.  Even the liberal pundits know that.

Former Bill Clinton adviser Doug Schoen:

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Payne told Schoen that Harris' insistence her values haven't changed even as her stance on fracking has evolved felt like a "wink and a nod to the core crew."

"Just help me get over the hump and I got your back," he said, imitating Harris. "How do you see it playing out?"

Schoen agreed with Payne.

"I think that's a fair statement. I think it also means, 'Whatever I say, don't take seriously because whatever I say, my values are your values, so what I say today and what I say tomorrow doesn't really matter.' It's artful politics and frankly gives her the freedom to say and do anything she needs to do to get elected, which in the short term might be helpful, in the long term, I dare say is disastrous."

He pointed to Pennsylvania polling averages from Real Clear Politics showing Harris and former President Donald Trump in a dead heat at 47.7% and 47.2%, respectively. Schoen called those numbers the "key to the election."

"Whomever wins Pennsylvania is very likely to be the next president," he said. "It's effectively a tie, and if she is perceived to be against fracking, which was her stated position in 2019, it could cost her western Pennsylvania and ultimately the state and the presidency."

But at the end of the day, you yourself said all politicians lie - which was my original point - Harris has no moral high ground to lecture Trump on him saying what she'd do, because she is doing the exact same thing.  The only difference is they are making assumptions Trump will do the opposite of what he says, and Trump is using Harris' own words.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 18, 2024, 08:31:38 PM
Yada, yada, yada, politicians lie.

Did you watch the 2020 debate? Did she or did she not vow not to ban fracking then? Seems she kind of hedged her bet at that debate when it seems Harris didn’t actually say she changed her own position on the issue—instead she said then-Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden “will not end fracking.” Wouldn't you suppose she would have to change her position on fracking when she became Vice President?

The point I made is that in June of this year, Trump supported Project 2025, less than 6 months later he says he knows nothing about Project 2025. Like Harris he could have said he once supported it until he learned out more about it now, he feels differently. People, even politicians change their minds which is fine. Pretending you never heard of something and know nothing about it different when you obviously do, is quite a leap from simply changing one's mind about something.

Megyn Kelly brings the receipts about Kamala Harris lying about fracking.  I posted this in the Harris thread.

Why isn't the media all over this?  The reason this is so important is she has to win PA to win the election and fracking is a huge industry in PA.   

Megyn Kelly Brings Receipts on Kamala Harris' Lies About Her Fracking Position During CNN Interview

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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 19, 2024, 12:42:26 AM
Politicians lie. They tell folks what they want to hear. I have posted/said this multiple times. Both candidates are presently attempting to moderate what they originally championed in order to broaden their support. If you want to believe what Trump only recently claims about project 2025, go for it. 

VP Harris was at least honest enough to admit that once she knew more about fracking, she realized it would not be a good thing to do. On the other hand, Trump first supported and then claimed not to know what Project 2025 was or who was involved in it.

BTW, do you know what year it was that VP Harris opposed fracking? I believe it was when she was a senator which had to be at least four years ago. Trump was 'in bed' with the project 2025 folks earlier this year, about 6 months ago.
Politicians lie but only republicans get called out for it by MSM "fact checkers."
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2024, 05:44:37 AM
Which article are you citing? 

And ABC issuing a blanket denial does not debunk anything.

ABC doesn't have to debunk anything.   :D  The onus is on the one making the claims to have some sort of proof behind.  Issuing a redacted "affidavit" that is later proved to contain source material, car crash claims and laughable excuses as follow up doesn't prove anything either.  Maybe Black Insurrectionist should have created such a rabbit hole for the mouth breathers to tumble into.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=How+the+Debate+Whistleblower+Car+Crash+Conspiracy+Went+Viral

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Two days after the debate, Black Insurrectionist claimed to have access to an affidavit from an ABC News whistleblower, outlining the ways in which Harris was given an upper hand.

“I have just signed a non-disclosure agreement with the attorney of the whistleblower,” he wrote. “The affidavit states how the Harris campaign was given sample question [sic] which were essentially the same questions that were given during the debate and separate assurances of fact checking Donald Trump and that she would NOT be fact checked.” He added that he would release the affidavit after the attorney redacted the whistleblower’s name.

A few days later, he did so, producing a clumsily redacted, typo-filled, strangely-formatted document, dated September 9. The affidavit claimed that Harris was promised she wouldn’t be questioned about the health of Joe Biden or her tenure as “Attorney General in San Francisco”—a position that doesn’t exist.

When people pointed out a range of such shortcomings, Black Insurrectionist took to feuding with those arguing the document appears to be obviously fake. After claiming that the document was sent to Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson in unredacted form, he signaled a retreat. “I have gone as far with it as I can,” he tweeted on Monday morning. “The rest is up to the whistleblower and Congress.”

As word of the supposed affidavit picked up steam, so too did a tale about the untimely death of the person purportedly behind it. On Sunday, Rep. Taylor Greene tweeted, “The ABC whistleblower who claimed Kamala Harris was given debate questions ahead of the debate has died in a car crash according to news reports.”

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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2024, 01:03:23 PM
ABC doesn't have to debunk anything.   :D  The onus is on the one making the claims to have some sort of proof behind.  Issuing a redacted "affidavit" that is later proved to contain source material, car crash claims and laughable excuses as follow up doesn't prove anything either.  Maybe Black Insurrectionist should have created such a rabbit hole for the mouth breathers to tumble into.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=How+the+Debate+Whistleblower+Car+Crash+Conspiracy+Went+Viral

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Two days after the debate, Black Insurrectionist claimed to have access to an affidavit from an ABC News whistleblower, outlining the ways in which Harris was given an upper hand.

“I have just signed a non-disclosure agreement with the attorney of the whistleblower,” he wrote. “The affidavit states how the Harris campaign was given sample question [sic] which were essentially the same questions that were given during the debate and separate assurances of fact checking Donald Trump and that she would NOT be fact checked.” He added that he would release the affidavit after the attorney redacted the whistleblower’s name.

A few days later, he did so, producing a clumsily redacted, typo-filled, strangely-formatted document, dated September 9. The affidavit claimed that Harris was promised she wouldn’t be questioned about the health of Joe Biden or her tenure as “Attorney General in San Francisco”—a position that doesn’t exist.

When people pointed out a range of such shortcomings, Black Insurrectionist took to feuding with those arguing the document appears to be obviously fake. After claiming that the document was sent to Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson in unredacted form, he signaled a retreat. “I have gone as far with it as I can,” he tweeted on Monday morning. “The rest is up to the whistleblower and Congress.”

As word of the supposed affidavit picked up steam, so too did a tale about the untimely death of the person purportedly behind it. On Sunday, Rep. Taylor Greene tweeted, “The ABC whistleblower who claimed Kamala Harris was given debate questions ahead of the debate has died in a car crash according to news reports.”

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The affidavit, sent before the debate, is proof. 

What are you quoting?  You are posting a link that has numerous stories. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2024, 01:28:05 PM
The affidavit, sent before the debate, is proof. 

What are you quoting?  You are posting a link that has numerous stories.

The affidavit is FAKE.  There is no proof.

Why do you think the anonymous person behind it suddenly "died in a car crash"? 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2024, 01:48:49 PM
The affidavit is FAKE.  There is no proof.

Why do you think the anonymous person behind it suddenly "died in a car crash"?

You have no idea if the affidavit is "fake."  It could be fake.  It could be authentic.  It should be investigated. 

What source are you citing? 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 19, 2024, 03:12:22 PM
You have no idea if the affidavit is "fake."  It could be fake.  It could be authentic.  It should be investigated. 

What source are you citing?

If it were real, then why does no one know where it was filed?  Not to mention the very fact the misspellings are a tip off and the notary seal/stamp that they claim is on there, really isn't.  (NY you can use either a seal or stamp).  Have you ever heard of a notary not using a seal/stamp? Of course, Mike Johnson was claimed to be someone who was mailed a copy.  But he won't confirm it.  (As of yet.)

You can read any source and get the gist of it.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ABC+responds+to+viral+%27whistleblower+affidavit%27+claiming+Kamala+Harris+received+debate+help

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2024, 04:16:29 PM
He has never once said he would do it.  He has said the opposite every time.
There are videos of Trump showing his support for project 2025. He changed his tune when this became a political liability, and he needed to gain support from more moderate Republicans. People, including Trump change their positions for a variety of reasons.

He also said he made mistakes with his appointed positions when he first got in office, and won't make them again.  He's also working with Gabbard, etc RFK Jr, Musk, on transition and such.  There will be no project 2025.  There might be elements of it, because there are some good things in there, but nobody will give the office of the President the power it states, and there will be no tribunals and such.[/quote]

If by chance Trump wins the election, I guess we will find out whether there will be a 'project 2025.' I take it that you think Gabbard who was a Democrat in 2020, an Independent in 2022, and indorsed Trump in a 'moment' ago. RFK was a Democratic Presidential candidate until it was obvious in October 2023 that he would not become the Democratic nominee, so he changed his mind, an instead ran as an Independent, only to endorse Trump when he said, "In my heart, I no longer believe that I have a realistic path to electoral victory." Elon Musk decided to vote vote for Republican for the first time in 2022. Prior to this his political leanings were all over the place. Hmmm, people change their minds for a number of reasons.

It's telling that you say all politicians lie, and subjectively not believe Trump, but believe Harris changed her position because "she learned more"....She changed her tune because the left needs to win PA. Even the liberal pundits know that.

In 2020 four years ago, she’d backtracked. As vice president, Harris even voted to increase leases for fracking as part of the Inflation Reduction Act. Are you saying she knew four years ago that she needed to win Pennsylvania? She knew four years ago she would be the Democratic Presidential nominee. Heck not only is she smart, she apparently is also psychic.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2024, 05:33:50 PM
If it were real, then why does no one know where it was filed?  Not to mention the very fact the misspellings are a tip off and the notary seal/stamp that they claim is on there, really isn't.  (NY you can use either a seal or stamp).  Have you ever heard of a notary not using a seal/stamp? Of course, Mike Johnson was claimed to be someone who was mailed a copy.  But he won't confirm it.  (As of yet.)

You can read any source and get the gist of it.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ABC+responds+to+viral+%27whistleblower+affidavit%27+claiming+Kamala+Harris+received+debate+help

Yes I have heard of a notary not using a seal or stamp.  Not the norm, but not unheard of.  But it needs to be investigated. 

You are quoting from something then linking a search to numerous articles, making it impossible to know what source you are actually quoting.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 20, 2024, 06:31:03 AM
The highlight of the entire debate was watching the debate audience go crazy for Trumpy.  He said "They went crazy".

Except there was no debate audience.  Cognitive tests anyone?  I remember red hats crying for one just a couple months ago.   :D :D

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Trump claims audience ‘went crazy’ for him at his debate with Harris – but there was no audience

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Donald+Trump%27s+Debate+Crowd+Comment+Sparks+Confusion%3A+%27They+Went+Crazy%27

Donald Trump has been roasted for claiming that the audience at the presidential debate with Kamala Harris “went crazy” for him – despite the fact that there was no live audience present.

The former president often claims his crowd sizes are huge – even wildly asserting he drew in a bigger crowd than Martin Luther King Jr during the March on Washington – but this time, he appeared to go even further by claiming there was one at all.
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 20, 2024, 01:58:23 PM
The highlight of the entire debate was watching the debate audience go crazy for Trumpy.  He said "They went crazy".

Except there was no debate audience.  Cognitive tests anyone?  I remember red hats crying for one just a couple months ago.   :D :D

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Trump claims audience ‘went crazy’ for him at his debate with Harris – but there was no audience

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Donald+Trump%27s+Debate+Crowd+Comment+Sparks+Confusion%3A+%27They+Went+Crazy%27

Donald Trump has been roasted for claiming that the audience at the presidential debate with Kamala Harris “went crazy” for him – despite the fact that there was no live audience present.

The former president often claims his crowd sizes are huge – even wildly asserting he drew in a bigger crowd than Martin Luther King Jr during the March on Washington – but this time, he appeared to go even further by claiming there was one at all.
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LOL! Maybe it was an imaginary audience just like the imaginary crowd numbers at his rallies.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 20, 2024, 02:43:23 PM
There are videos of Trump showing his support for project 2025. He changed his tune when this became a political liability, and he needed to gain support from more moderate Republicans. People, including Trump change their positions for a variety of reasons.

Feel free to post them.


If by chance Trump wins the election, I guess we will find out whether there will be a 'project 2025.' I take it that you think Gabbard who was a Democrat in 2020, an Independent in 2022, and indorsed Trump in a 'moment' ago. RFK was a Democratic Presidential candidate until it was obvious in October 2023 that he would not become the Democratic nominee, so he changed his mind, an instead ran as an Independent, only to endorse Trump when he said, "In my heart, I no longer believe that I have a realistic path to electoral victory." Elon Musk decided to vote vote for Republican for the first time in 2022. Prior to this his political leanings were all over the place. Hmmm, people change their minds for a number of reasons. 

The common theme with all of them is they changed their minds because the Democratic party they knew and supported ceases to exist.  They have all more or less said that.  It's a testament to what the Democratic party has devolved into.

In 2020 four years ago, she’d backtracked. As vice president, Harris even voted to increase leases for fracking as part of the Inflation Reduction Act. Are you saying she knew four years ago that she needed to win Pennsylvania? She knew four years ago she would be the Democratic Presidential nominee. Heck not only is she smart, she apparently is also psychic.

I guess Clinton's advisor was wrong? Ryan Grim, etc and all the other liberals who follow politics for a living who said it are wrong  too?  Do some research on why she changed her mind four years ago as you say.  I will give you a hint, it wasn't PA at the time, and it wasn't because she had some epiphany that it was all of a sudden completely safe.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 20, 2024, 05:27:55 PM
The affidavit is FAKE.  There is no proof.

Why do you think the anonymous person behind it suddenly "died in a car crash"?

Did this fool really say the affidavit is fake? lol

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE:

🚨🚨🚨🚨

The ABC Whistleblower who claimed ABC News gave @KamalaHarris the Presidential debate questions ahead of the Presidential debate has exclusively given me a copy of the official complaint they filed with the SEC today. 

See screenshots of the submissions below: 👇🏻

As of today, The Securities and Exchange Commissioner (SEC) has acknowledged receipt of two complaints lodged against @Disney , the owner of ABC News @ABC. The complaint, seen below, states that ABC News and their Parent company Disney colluded with the @KamalaHarris Presidential Campaign to influence the Presidential debate on 9-10-24 and to further influence the outcome of the 2024 Presidential Election.

@DavidMuir @LinseyDavis

The Complaint shows documents uploaded to the official SEC complaint system and a screenshot of the uploaded file that the Whistleblower claims contains evidence of this collusion.

Below are the documents that were exclusively provided to me today.

🚨Submission Number: 17268-694-586-914 was submitted successfully on Friday, September 20, 2024 at 08:55:41 AM EDT

🚨Submission Number: 17268-178-298-389 was submitted successfully on Friday, September 20, 2024 at 10:16:25 AM EDT

The Whistleblower complaint that was submitted to the SEC today reads:

“I have heard and observed conversations and have evidence in hand of ABC News, a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney Media Networks, which is a division of The Walt Disney Company, collusion between ABC news and the Kamala Harris campaign for the Presidency of the United States. It is my belief from the context of the conversations, that ABC news in the debate held on September 10, 2024, and at other various times before and after this debate to influence the Presidential election. I would like to emphatically state, that I am not a Donald Trump supporter and have never voted for Donald Trump. The context of the conversations heard and among other observations is that ABC News is working with the Kamala Harris campaign, and that Disney may exact monetary or other future considerations if they aid in the election of Kamala Harris. I have sat idly by for years and watched the media on both sides of the political spectrum become nothing more than campaign ads for politicians. It is clear that there are multiple considerations being exchanged in this current Presidential campaign. I have enclosed further evidence for your consideration. Please note, this evidence contains personal information of mine and I wish for it to remain undisclosed for safety considerations for my family.”

🚨This was the brief statement on the complaint which was partially cut off in submission photo🚨

Here are the screenshots of the Whistleblower’s official complaint to the SEC today regarding their alleged claims of having evidence that @ABC News gave @KamalaHarris’s campaign the questions for the Presidential debate against Donald Trump ahead of the debate.

ABC News and Disney must issue a statement immediately.

https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1837206001675592155?s=46

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 20, 2024, 05:38:49 PM
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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 21, 2024, 06:34:14 AM
Did this fool really say the affidavit is fake? lol

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE:

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The ABC Whistleblower who claimed ABC News gave @KamalaHarris the Presidential debate questions ahead of the Presidential debate has exclusively given me a copy of the official complaint they filed with the SEC today. 

See screenshots of the submissions below: 👇🏻

As of today, The Securities and Exchange Commissioner (SEC) has acknowledged receipt of two complaints lodged against @Disney , the owner of ABC News @ABC. The complaint, seen below, states that ABC News and their Parent company Disney colluded with the @KamalaHarris Presidential Campaign to influence the Presidential debate on 9-10-24 and to further influence the outcome of the 2024 Presidential Election.

@DavidMuir @LinseyDavis

The Complaint shows documents uploaded to the official SEC complaint system and a screenshot of the uploaded file that the Whistleblower claims contains evidence of this collusion.

Below are the documents that were exclusively provided to me today.

🚨Submission Number: 17268-694-586-914 was submitted successfully on Friday, September 20, 2024 at 08:55:41 AM EDT

🚨Submission Number: 17268-178-298-389 was submitted successfully on Friday, September 20, 2024 at 10:16:25 AM EDT

The Whistleblower complaint that was submitted to the SEC today reads:

“I have heard and observed conversations and have evidence in hand of ABC News, a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney Media Networks, which is a division of The Walt Disney Company, collusion between ABC news and the Kamala Harris campaign for the Presidency of the United States. It is my belief from the context of the conversations, that ABC news in the debate held on September 10, 2024, and at other various times before and after this debate to influence the Presidential election. I would like to emphatically state, that I am not a Donald Trump supporter and have never voted for Donald Trump. The context of the conversations heard and among other observations is that ABC News is working with the Kamala Harris campaign, and that Disney may exact monetary or other future considerations if they aid in the election of Kamala Harris. I have sat idly by for years and watched the media on both sides of the political spectrum become nothing more than campaign ads for politicians. It is clear that there are multiple considerations being exchanged in this current Presidential campaign. I have enclosed further evidence for your consideration. Please note, this evidence contains personal information of mine and I wish for it to remain undisclosed for safety considerations for my family.”

🚨This was the brief statement on the complaint which was partially cut off in submission photo🚨

Here are the screenshots of the Whistleblower’s official complaint to the SEC today regarding their alleged claims of having evidence that @ABC News gave @KamalaHarris’s campaign the questions for the Presidential debate against Donald Trump ahead of the debate.

ABC News and Disney must issue a statement immediately.

https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1837206001675592155?s=46

That is not an affidavit.  It is a complaint.  Good lord you are stupid.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 21, 2024, 09:19:43 AM

The lovely  Laura Loomer 
Mr Trumps newest looniest best friend
Madge  Taylor Greene will not be happy
Hang in there, maybe one day you can be Trumps friend.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 21, 2024, 02:31:20 PM
there is a long queue to be his friend and judging by the above mentioned ladies his present friends have to fight hard for his favor
Keep up the hard work, I'm sure he'll take notice soon.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2024, 05:28:09 AM

The lovely  Laura Loomer 
Mr Trumps newest looniest best friend
Madge  Taylor Greene will not be happy

Nor will Kari Lake who seems to be persona non grata at Mar-A-Lardo currently.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2024, 05:32:57 AM
El Orange-O scared shitless of a second debate.

Harris offers another debate in October and Trumpy runs away.   :D :D :D :D

His campaign team isn't going to let her wipe the floor with him again a second time.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 22, 2024, 06:52:53 AM
Harris offers debate on CNN.

Very brave.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 22, 2024, 07:15:33 AM
Harris offers debate on CNN.

Very brave.
How many interviews has Kuntmala done with Fox?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 22, 2024, 07:50:38 AM
How many interviews has Kuntmala done with Fox?

I saw a clip on Maher of some MSNBC woman saying Kamala doesn't need to share he policies in detail because she's not running to be the "Commander in Perfect", just needs to be enough to beat Trump.

So, denying the public access to her is just fine.

She can't handle an interview with Fox, but she'll be just fine with leaders of foreign countries for sure.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 22, 2024, 07:52:17 AM
I saw a clip on Maher of some MSNBC woman saying Kamala doesn't need to share he policies in detail because she's not running to be the "Commander in Perfect", just needs to be enough to beat Trump.

So, denying the public access to her is just fine.

She can't handle an interview with Fox, but she'll be just fine with leaders of foreign countries for sure.
Once again, they don't care about her policies, they just want to beat Trump. When will they care about the future of America?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 22, 2024, 09:05:55 AM
Once again, they don't care about her policies, they just want to beat Trump. When will they care about the future of America?

Sounds conspiracy nutty, but the more I think about it, it DOES feel like they picked the worst candidate they could, after Biden was deemed unelectable and broke the model, to see how far they can push their agenda.

She is pretty much awful at everything, has an awful record, etc.....nothing redeeming.  A poor speaker, poor off the cuff, poor performance as VP, poor performance as a presidential candidate in their primaries.....etc
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2024, 11:08:18 AM
How many interviews has Kuntmala done with Fox?

Who cares?  Fox has nothing to do with Trumpy being scared of another one.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 22, 2024, 11:09:17 AM
Sounds conspiracy nutty, but the more I think about it, it DOES feel like they picked the worst candidate they could, after Biden was deemed unelectable and broke the model, to see how far they can push their agenda.

She is pretty much awful at everything, has an awful record, etc.....nothing redeeming.  A poor speaker, poor off the cuff, poor performance as VP, poor performance as a presidential candidate in their primaries.....etc

You should be happy then.  Instant win fro El Lardo it would seem.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 22, 2024, 12:42:04 PM
Who cares?  Fox has nothing to do with Trumpy being scared of another one.
You should care when the person you're voting for is a coward and can't face tough questions. How's Kuntmala going to sit in front of world leaders and cackle like a bimbo whore and expect to be respected?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 22, 2024, 01:26:12 PM
You should be happy then.  Instant win fro El Lardo it would seem.

It should.

Mind you, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of 4 more years of this, but I'm voting mainly on three things - foreign policy, the border, and the fact that the Democrats lied and gaslighted the public about Biden's condition.  I cannot fathom someone who can't handle an interview on Fox controlling our military and managing foreign leaders.

I was also considering voting libertarian, despite it being a waste of a vote, however once Bragg exposed what they're capable of, I have to vote against it.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 23, 2024, 12:30:14 AM
You should care when the person you're voting for is a coward and can't face tough questions. How's Kuntmala going to sit in front of world leaders and cackle like a bimbo whore and expect to be respected?
Maybe she'll blow the world leaders to influence them.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 23, 2024, 11:08:54 AM
You should care when the person you're voting for is a coward and can't face tough questions. How's Kuntmala going to sit in front of world leaders and cackle like a bimbo whore and expect to be respected?

A lot better than an old man lying and crying about people eating pets, buildings not having windows, and "concepts" of a plan.

700 former military and national security officials endorse Harris.  How many endorse the orange turd?  Remind us again.  And just to head off your predictable reply whine :

700 former military and national security officials opinion    >     your TDfS tear filled opinion.

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More than 700 former military and national security officials endorse Harris, say Trump is ‘impulsive and ill-informed’

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=More+than+700+former+military+and+national+security+officials+endorse+Harris%2C+say+Trump+is+%E2%80%98impulsive+and+ill-informed%E2%80%99

* In an open letter released by National Security Leaders for America, 741 bipartisan former national security officials endorsed Harris for president, calling Trump “impulsive and ill-informed.”

* The statement was signed by former secretaries of State Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as Republican secretaries of Defense Chuck Hagel and William Cohen.

*The letter criticized the former president’s foreign affairs track record and alleged involvement in the Jan. 6th Capitol riot.

More than 700 former national security and military officials endorsed Kamala Harris for president over Donald Trump in the 2024 election in an open letter published Sunday by National Security Leaders for America.

“This election is a choice between serious leadership and vengeful impulsiveness,” said the group, which is made up of bipartisan senior leaders who served in the military and other offices and agencies.

“We are trained to make sober, rational decisions. That is how we know Vice President Harris would make an excellent Commander-in-Chief, while Mr. Trump has proven he is not up to the job,” they added.

The statement, which criticized Trump as “impulsive and ill-informed,” was signed by 741 people, including vocal Harris-supporting Democrats like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as Republican secretaries of Defense Chuck Hagel and William Cohen. Hagel and Cohen both served under Democratic presidents.

The signatories include 15 retired four-star generals, 12 former Cabinet-level officials, eight service secretaries, more than 120 ambassadors and three Trump-era officials: Retired U.S. Army Gen. Peter Chiarelli, former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff retired four-star Gen. Paul Selva and retired Maj. Gen. Eric Thorne Olson.

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Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 23, 2024, 04:14:59 PM
A lot better than an old man lying and crying about people eating pets, buildings not having windows, and "concepts" of a plan.

700 former military and national security officials endorse Harris.  How many endorse the orange turd?  Remind us again.  And just to head off your predictable reply whine :

700 former military and national security officials opinion    >     your TDfS tear filled opinion.

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More than 700 former military and national security officials endorse Harris, say Trump is ‘impulsive and ill-informed’

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=More+than+700+former+military+and+national+security+officials+endorse+Harris%2C+say+Trump+is+%E2%80%98impulsive+and+ill-informed%E2%80%99

* In an open letter released by National Security Leaders for America, 741 bipartisan former national security officials endorsed Harris for president, calling Trump “impulsive and ill-informed.”

* The statement was signed by former secretaries of State Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as Republican secretaries of Defense Chuck Hagel and William Cohen.

*The letter criticized the former president’s foreign affairs track record and alleged involvement in the Jan. 6th Capitol riot.

More than 700 former national security and military officials endorsed Kamala Harris for president over Donald Trump in the 2024 election in an open letter published Sunday by National Security Leaders for America.

“This election is a choice between serious leadership and vengeful impulsiveness,” said the group, which is made up of bipartisan senior leaders who served in the military and other offices and agencies.

“We are trained to make sober, rational decisions. That is how we know Vice President Harris would make an excellent Commander-in-Chief, while Mr. Trump has proven he is not up to the job,” they added.

The statement, which criticized Trump as “impulsive and ill-informed,” was signed by 741 people, including vocal Harris-supporting Democrats like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as Republican secretaries of Defense Chuck Hagel and William Cohen. Hagel and Cohen both served under Democratic presidents.

The signatories include 15 retired four-star generals, 12 former Cabinet-level officials, eight service secretaries, more than 120 ambassadors and three Trump-era officials: Retired U.S. Army Gen. Peter Chiarelli, former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff retired four-star Gen. Paul Selva and retired Maj. Gen. Eric Thorne Olson.

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So nothing positive to say about your Kuntfaced candidate? Just more whining about Trump?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 23, 2024, 04:59:44 PM
So nothing positive to say about your Kuntfaced candidate? Just more whining about Trump?

Obviously, reading isn't a skill you have mastered.

I think saying 700+ former military and national security officials endorse Harris is pretty damn positive.    ::)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 23, 2024, 05:13:22 PM
Obviously, reading isn't a skill you have mastered.

I think saying 700+ former military and national security officials endorse Harris is pretty damn positive.    ::)

I remember when 51 national security "experts" lied about the Hunter Biden laptop.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2024, 06:19:32 PM
El Orange-O scared shitless of a second debate.

Harris offers another debate in October and Trumpy runs away.   :D :D :D :D

His campaign team isn't going to let her wipe the floor with him again a second time.

He scared? is that what it is? hahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 23, 2024, 08:53:34 PM
Sounds conspiracy nutty, but the more I think about it, it DOES feel like they picked the worst candidate they could, after Biden was deemed unelectable and broke the model, to see how far they can push their agenda.

She is pretty much awful at everything, has an awful record, etc.....nothing redeeming.  A poor speaker, poor off the cuff, poor performance as VP, poor performance as a presidential candidate in their primaries.....etc

If we took your opinion as fact, she is completely horrible at speaking, off the cuff, etc. Can you explain how she was able to completely kick "I'm the best President you've ever seen" Trumps butt all over that stage? And he won't debate her again?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2024, 09:08:22 PM
If we took your opinion as fact, she is completely horrible at speaking, off the cuff, etc. Can you explain how she was able to completely kick "I'm the best President you've ever seen" Trumps butt all over that stage? And he won't debate her again?

She didn’t. Otherwise she wouldn’t have immediately asked for debate RIGHT after the last one. And to prove it even further, the next day during an unadvertised interview with an ABC affiliate in Philadelphia she couldn’t answer a question without looking like an ass. NOT ONLY THAT….she received NO post debate bump in the polls…..but Trump sure did. Have another drink.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 23, 2024, 09:11:37 PM
She didn’t. Otherwise she wouldn’t have immediately asked for debate RIGHT after the last one. And prove it even further, the next day during an unadvertised interview with an ABC affiliate in Philadelphia she couldn’t answer a question without looking like an ass. NOT ONLY THAT….she received NO post debate bump in the polls…..but Trump sure did. Have another drink.

You drank the Kool aid so long ago.. it's sad reading your posts. She DID get a bump. Just not on Gateway Pundit. Trump did not. She asked for another debate immediately because it was clear she can choke The Donald out easily
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2024, 09:13:15 PM
You drank the Kool aid so long ago.. it's sad reading your posts. She DID get a bump. Just not on Gateway Pundit. Trump did not. She asked for another debate immediately because it was clear she can choke The Donald out easily

Go back and look at my post junior
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 23, 2024, 09:17:21 PM
Go back and look at my post junior

I can just take so much Qanon BS in one day.. I'm pacing myself. Basically, I'm surprised the other Trumpsters let you sit at the adult table with your pundit Breitbart nonsense. I suspect it is because they figure it can't hurt since you are pro trump and integrity is not a big thing among Trumpsters. I mean... they support Trump. Called POW's losers, cheated on how many wives, lies almost every time he speaks. But he is rich and white so there is that....
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2024, 09:25:09 PM
I can just take so much Qanon BS in one day.. I'm pacing myself. Basically, I'm surprised the other Trumpsters let you sit at the adult table with your pundit Breitbart nonsense. I suspect it is because they figure it can't hurt since you are pro trump and integrity is not a big thing among Trumpsters. I mean... they support Trump. Called POW's losers, cheated on how many wives, lies almost every time he speaks. But he is rich and white so there is that....

If you’re referring to McCain, he wasn’t a loser. He was a traitor who will be more remembered for his MAJOR roll in the fake dossier and the attempt to overthrow a sitting president which overshadows his service to this country.

 Let’s talk about cheating for a minute. Biden and his now wife were cheating her husband during their marriage. As for Harris….you’re voting for a literal side chick
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 23, 2024, 09:25:51 PM
If you’re referring to McCain, he wasn’t a loser. He was a traitor who will be more remembered for his MAJOR roll in the fake dossier and the attempt to overthrow a sitting president which overshadows his service to this country. Let’s talk about cheating for a minute. Biden and his now wife were cheating her husband during their marriage. As for Harris….you’re voting for a literal side chick

I just love when you make my points for me
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2024, 04:39:41 AM
He scared? is that what it is? hahahahahahahahahaha

The same thing you are scared of.  Kamala, facts, getting his ass owned yet again, rambling like a retard, pulling imaginary talking points and "evidence" out of his ass, etc..
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2024, 04:41:23 AM
She didn’t. Otherwise she wouldn’t have immediately asked for debate RIGHT after the last one. And to prove it even further, the next day during an unadvertised interview with an ABC affiliate in Philadelphia she couldn’t answer a question without looking like an ass. NOT ONLY THAT….she received NO post debate bump in the polls…..but Trump sure did. Have another drink.

She did.  That is why she wanted another.  To continue the beat down.
He didn't want another because he had already been spanked like a child and put to bed on national tv.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2024, 04:43:47 AM
I just love when you make my points for me

It's almost like he has no idea what he's saying.   :D

He's supposed to be affirming his own bullshit and yet only proving the other person right with each follow up.  Seriously, I have seen used dental floss that possesses greater IQ than this little manlet.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: AbrahamG on September 24, 2024, 07:54:55 AM
Trump said he won't debate her again even if it's on Newsmax.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2024, 12:21:10 PM
Trump said he won't debate her again even if it's on Newsmax.

An ass kicking is an ass kicking no matter where it takes place.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 24, 2024, 11:17:29 PM
It's almost like he has no idea what he's saying.   :D

He's supposed to be affirming his own bullshit and yet only proving the other person right with each follow up.  Seriously, I have seen used dental floss that possesses greater IQ than this little manlet.

Coach is truly an 8th grade level thinker at least with politics. No doubt any survivor series with Coach as a player, he would be "that guy" that does the leaders bidding without thinking... never the leader.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 25, 2024, 07:26:37 AM
Coach is truly an 8th grade level thinker at least with politics. No doubt any survivor series with Coach as a player, he would be "that guy" that does the leaders bidding without thinking... never the leader.

TRUTH!
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 25, 2024, 08:48:28 AM
Coach is truly an 8th grade level thinker at least with politics. No doubt any survivor series with Coach as a player, he would be "that guy" that does the leaders bidding without thinking... never the leader.

Once again with the personal insults.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 25, 2024, 09:03:58 AM
Once again with the personal insults.

Because he and Lurker are in their own little circle jerk and that's all they have.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 25, 2024, 09:18:14 AM
Because he and Lurker are in their own little circle jerk and that's all they have.

No. Because we are not insulting your retarded ass.  We are describing you. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 25, 2024, 09:36:46 AM
No. Because we are not insulting your retarded ass.  We are describing you.

Don't blame me because you clowns get your ass handed to you every time you open your mouths on here not just by me, but by everyone
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 25, 2024, 12:41:26 PM
Don't blame me because you clowns get your ass handed to you every time you open your mouths on here not just by me, but by everyone

No one is blaming you.  Because it never happens.   ::)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 25, 2024, 01:01:46 PM
Don't blame me because you clowns get your ass handed to you every time you open your mouths on here not just by me, but by everyone

Someone 'getting their ass handed to them' is a matter of perception. Of course, you think you are handing them their ass because you are biased toward yourself. Nobody expects you to think otherwise. Your ability to reflect on yourself honestly is severely compromised and has been for quite a while.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 25, 2024, 05:52:52 PM
Someone 'getting their ass handed to them' is a matter of perception. Of course, you think you are handing them their ass because you are biased toward yourself. Nobody expects you to think otherwise. Your ability to reflect on yourself honestly is severely compromised and has been for quite a while.

As I said : he is too stupid to know he is stupid.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:58 PM
Coach, please stop saying the phrase “got your ass handed to you, junior”. I can’t read it anymore, it has jumped the shark. We gotta come up with something different. “I ran train on you” or something like that would be better.

Your friend,

IG400
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 27, 2024, 11:59:33 PM
Once again with the personal insults.

Here's another personal insult.. (It's ironic the \snowflake people are butthurt)

I KNOW  you are sharp. No doubt. But in the history of Getbig I can't recall a single time you called Coach out for  his posts that are obviously fictional. Not one... single.. time. Where is your integrity. Because you by omission, agree with every post Coach posted then you are not the intellectual I thought you were. If you don't agree with his posts, where is  your comments?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 28, 2024, 07:47:18 AM
Here's another personal insult.. (It's ironic the \snowflake people are butthurt)

I KNOW  you are sharp. No doubt. But in the history of Getbig I can't recall a single time you called Coach out for  his posts that are obviously fictional. Not one... single.. time. Where is your integrity. Because you by omission, agree with every post Coach posted then you are not the intellectual I thought you were. If you don't agree with his posts, where is  your comments?

This should get an interesting reply.   :D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 28, 2024, 09:30:22 AM
Here's another personal insult.. (It's ironic the \snowflake people are butthurt)

I KNOW  you are sharp. No doubt. But in the history of Getbig I can't recall a single time you called Coach out for  his posts that are obviously fictional. Not one... single.. time. Where is your integrity. Because you by omission, agree with every post Coach posted then you are not the intellectual I thought you were. If you don't agree with his posts, where is  your comments?
Same amount of times you call lurker out for his obvious lies and propaganda posts. Or lurker calls you out for your drunken cheerleader posts.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 28, 2024, 09:59:13 AM
Same amount of times you call lurker out for his obvious lies and propaganda posts. Or lurker calls you out for your drunken cheerleader posts.

Why don't you link us to an example of my "obviouse lies and propaganda posts"?   Can you?  This should be an interesting reply too.  Or not as I am sure no link will be forthcoming.   :'(

Just because you can't refute it or like the reality of it, doesn't make it false.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 28, 2024, 10:15:59 AM
Why don't you link us to an example of my "obviouse lies and propaganda posts"?   Can you?  This should be an interesting reply too.  Or not as I am sure no link will be forthcoming.   :'(

Just because you can't refute it or like the reality of it, doesn't make it false.  :D :D :D
Pick one and claim it, like you do with my defense of Trumps posts, weirdo. ::)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on September 28, 2024, 10:33:25 AM
Here's another personal insult.. (It's ironic the \snowflake people are butthurt)

I KNOW  you are sharp. No doubt. But in the history of Getbig I can't recall a single time you called Coach out for  his posts that are obviously fictional. Not one... single.. time. Where is your integrity. Because you by omission, agree with every post Coach posted then you are not the intellectual I thought you were. If you don't agree with his posts, where is  your comments?

Because I'm here for my own amusement, and pick and choose who I want to interact with.

I actually don't read most of Coach's stuff - but if I did see something egregious that stuck out to me, I'd hit him up in IM on another platform.  If I knew you the same way, I'd treat you like that as well.  Once you know the actual human behind the posts, it changes the dynamic.

Plus, most of what I actually see what he posts, I already know about.

But I completely understand his concerns.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 29, 2024, 07:57:04 AM
Pick one and claim it, like you do with my defense of Trumps posts, weirdo. ::)

Translation : you couldn't find any "lies or propaganda" to contribute to me.

 
Why don't you link us to an example of my "obviouse lies and propaganda posts"?   Can you?  This should be an interesting reply too. Or not as I am sure no link will be forthcoming.   :'(

Just because you can't refute it or like the reality of it, doesn't make it false.  :D :D :D

So easy to predict someone that has nothing but whining and tv static to post.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Gym Rat on September 29, 2024, 07:58:19 AM
Pick one and claim it, like you do with my defense of Trumps posts, weirdo. ::)

Watch it Chaos, he might call you some names...  LOL

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

epic phagg kid-cokk loving Lib...
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 29, 2024, 09:50:47 AM
Watch it Chaos, he might call you some names...  LOL

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

epic phagg kid-cokk loving Lib...

Showing up again to remind us how miserable your life is?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Skeletor on September 29, 2024, 11:14:29 AM
Already coming with the excuses and setting the bar low for the VP debate.

 
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Tim Walz is telling people he’s just as nervous about facing JD Vance as he was the Sunday afternoon in August when he warned Kamala Harris in his running mate interview that he was a bad debater.

This also plays out in day-to-day engagement: a governor who until six weeks ago was one of the most eagerly accessible Democratic politicians in the country and who essentially manifested himself as the running mate with a few spicy TV appearances has done only a few interviews since being picked, all lower profile. He doesn’t take questions from reporters and rarely comes to chat off the record on his campaign plane. Aides declined requests for even a brief interview with CNN.

“He’s a strong person,” said Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who’s known Walz since they were each first elected to Washington in 2006. “He’s just not a lawyer-debater type. It’s not like he was dreaming of debates when he was in first grade.”

Walz is confident in Harris’ vision. But the governor fears he won’t make his case as well as he needs to, according to people who have been speaking with him.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/28/politics/tim-walz-vice-president-debate/index.html

As for Vance, I haven't seen much of him, probably more polished for TV than Walz but still don't trust him. Punchable face for sure so like Ted Cruz he started wearing a beard to look less punchable.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 29, 2024, 11:31:05 AM
Already coming with the excuses and setting the bar low for the VP debate.


According to some, nobody votes for a VP anyway.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2024, 01:31:28 PM
Already coming with the excuses and setting the bar low for the VP debate.

 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/28/politics/tim-walz-vice-president-debate/index.html

As for Vance, I haven't seen much of him, probably more polished for TV than Walz but still don't trust him. Punchable face for sure so like Ted Cruz he started wearing a beard to look less punchable.

Not sure about Vance looking 'punchable' but Cruz continues to look like an idiot regardless whether he has a beard or not.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 29, 2024, 02:08:56 PM
Watch it Chaos, he might call you some names...  LOL

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

epic phagg kid-cokk loving Lib...
All he has to do is read his own post history to see the propaganda and lies but he's too infected with TDS to see it, he's a lost cause. One of the weak and feeble that looks to the government to tell him how to live his life. Pathetic, weak, useless human being.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 29, 2024, 02:14:55 PM
All he has to do is read his own post history to see the propaganda and lies but he's too infected with TDS to see it, he's a lost cause. One of the weak and feeble that looks to the government to tell him how to live his life. Pathetic, weak, useless human being.

For something that should be so easy to prove, if it actually existed, you sure haven't provided any proof yet.  Just empty replies.  Empty.  Like the calories that sit on that 50" waist.

Translation : you couldn't find any "lies or propaganda" to contribute to me.

 
So easy to predict someone that has nothing but whining and tv static to post.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Skeletor on September 29, 2024, 02:16:20 PM
Not sure about Vance looking 'punchable' but Cruz continues to look like an idiot regardless whether he has a beard or not.

Both very punchable. Probably why he now wears a beard, like Ted Cruz.

(https://preview.redd.it/jd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png?auto=webp&s=1347a051fcccb459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a) (https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/gettyimages-462419780-1544632681.jpg)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on September 29, 2024, 02:24:14 PM
For something that should be so easy to prove, if it actually existed, you sure haven't provided any proof yet.  Just empty replies.  Empty.  Like the calories that sit on that 50" waist.
Just look at your post history, weirdo.

Both very punchable. Probably why he now wears a beard, like Ted Cruz.

(https://preview.redd.it/jd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png?auto=webp&s=1347a051fcccb459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a) (https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/gettyimages-462419780-1544632681.jpg)
Easily both punchable.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 29, 2024, 03:47:21 PM
Just look at your post history, weirdo.
Easily both punchable.

Still not a single link or a shred of "proof".   As always.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 29, 2024, 11:31:40 PM
Still not a single link or a shred of "proof".   As always.

some things never change
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 30, 2024, 08:02:39 AM
some things never change

Never.  It's the same old song and dance from him.  Expectations of him are so low they are practically a tripping bar in hell, but there he is... doing the limbo under it.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 30, 2024, 09:37:57 AM
Walz is apparently a bad debater and terrified to debate Vance.

Sounds vaguely familiar….on here.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 30, 2024, 09:43:57 AM
Walz is apparently a bad debater and terrified to debate Vance.

Sounds vaguely familiar….on here.

You mean like El Lardo is scared to debate Harris again?

Naw, Walz isn't scared of a man wearing makeup who hates himself so much he keeps reinventing himself. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 30, 2024, 09:52:20 AM
You mean like El Lardo is scared to debate Harris again?

Naw, Walz isn't scared of a man wearing makeup who hates himself so much he keeps reinventing himself.

He's like you and Agnostic but I digress. Trump has done three debates and it wouldn't make sense to do another since voting has already started. Again, she immediately asked for another debate after the last one because she knew she got beat.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 30, 2024, 09:54:57 AM
He's like you and Agnostic but I digress. Trump has done three debates and it wouldn't make sense to do another since voting has already started. Again, she immediately asked for another debate after the last one because she knew she got beat.

He immediately declined because she kicked his ass.

And no, Vance is more like you.  Making up lies and false stories that result in him (and you) getting his ass kicked.  Unlike you, though, Vance at least admits his stories are fake. 
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 30, 2024, 10:04:03 AM
He immediately declined because she kicked his ass.

And no, Vance is more like you.  Making up lies and false stories that result in him (and you) getting his ass kicked.  Unlike you, though, Vance at least admits his stories are fake.

Whatever helps you sleep better

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 30, 2024, 10:05:39 AM
Whatever helps you sleep better

Obviously bullshit polls help you sleep better.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2024, 02:02:35 PM
Walz is apparently a bad debater and terrified to debate Vance.

Sounds vaguely familiar….on here.

Where did you get the idea that Walz is a bad debater and therefore terrified to debate Vance?

Each man brings some skills to the debate stage. My guess is that it is a toss up who will preform better. Walz has more debate experience due to his 20 year long political career than Vance does who has only two debates under his belt.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/30/politics/vance-walz-past-debates/index.html
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 04, 2024, 12:07:55 AM
Kamala won the debate, whether it changes a vote remains to be seen but it didn't hurt the democrats. The VP debate... a draw. Didn't hurt either party. Wish Vance had the ball to address the 2020 election but it's almost the norm that it's expected Trumpsters won't answer that. Cost him points as he clearly painted himself a Trump lap dog, but for the Republicans, that is not a bad thing
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 04, 2024, 12:40:17 AM
Kamala won the debate, whether it changes a vote remains to be seen but it didn't hurt the democrats. The VP debate... a draw. Didn't hurt either party. Wish Vance had the ball to address the 2020 election but it's almost the norm that it's expected Trumpsters won't answer that. Cost him points as he clearly painted himself a Trump lap dog, but for the Republicans, that is not a bad thing
A draw? Vance mopped the floor with Tampon Tim and everyone knows it which is why the MSM immediately changed the narrative the next day with those "January 6th" revelations.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 04, 2024, 01:58:15 AM
A draw? Vance mopped the floor with Tampon Tim and everyone knows it which is why the MSM immediately changed the narrative the next day with those "January 6th" revelations.

Not at all. THat is the bias we all should know better about
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 04, 2024, 05:50:02 AM
A draw? Vance mopped the floor with Tampon Tim and everyone knows it which is why the MSM immediately changed the narrative the next day with those "January 6th" revelations.

Really?  Vance's most memorable line "I thought you guys agreed not to fact check me."   Meaning - so what I said was a lie right.

Tim's most memorable line "That is a damning non answer and that's why Mike Pence isn't on staging here tonight."  Meaning - you have no balls to speak against your boss and instead just uphold his lies.

Naw, Vance wasn't mopping anything that night.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: deadz on October 04, 2024, 02:33:33 PM
Kamala won the debate, whether it changes a vote remains to be seen but it didn't hurt the democrats. The VP debate... a draw. Didn't hurt either party. Wish Vance had the ball to address the 2020 election but it's almost the norm that it's expected Trumpsters won't answer that. Cost him points as he clearly painted himself a Trump lap dog, but for the Republicans, that is not a bad thing
Dumb fucktard!
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on October 04, 2024, 03:53:19 PM
Still not a single link or a shred of "proof".   As always.
The proof is your post history, weirdo. ::)
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 04, 2024, 04:11:52 PM
The proof is your post history, weirdo. ::)

Then it should be easy for you to supply an example.  Why haven't you?  Other than you can't.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 04, 2024, 04:16:49 PM
Then it should be easy for you to supply an example.  Why haven't you?  Other than you can't.

.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 04, 2024, 04:42:00 PM
Kamala won the debate, whether it changes a vote remains to be seen but it didn't hurt the democrats. The VP debate... a draw. Didn't hurt either party. Wish Vance had the ball to address the 2020 election but it's almost the norm that it's expected Trumpsters won't answer that. Cost him points as he clearly painted himself a Trump lap dog, but for the Republicans, that is not a bad thing

Vance set the tone, made sure he addressed every question the moderator had, was polite, well spoken, well versed on the subjects, smart, fact checked the moderators and was correct, and mostly......came off like someone who could run the country.

Walz was nervous, jittery, had a horrible gaffe with the school shooters thing, and a horrible answer with why he lied about his china visit.  He got better as it went along (I think Vance's friendliness helped him).  He gave some good answers, however he did not come off as someone you want in the situation room when  the shit goes down.  He was more like your nice uncle.

Vance's non answer about Jan 6th convinced folks that Walz won, but the polls after showed they were wrong.  Even lib sites had it at 65-35 Vance.

If someone can articulate why they think Walz was so much better, have at it.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 04, 2024, 04:58:08 PM
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By "agenda" you must mean Trumpy's lies and stolen election claims.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 05, 2024, 12:38:12 AM
He's like you and Agnostic but I digress. Trump has done three debates and it wouldn't make sense to do another since voting has already started. Again, she immediately asked for another debate after the last one because she knew she got beat.


Dude, Trump didn’t win the debate. All she had to do was play prevent defense, he came unglued and was on his heels. It doesn’t matter how much you side with him and his policies, he didn’t win.


To the folks saying the VP debate was a draw, quit lying to yourselves. Vance won that.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2024, 06:05:20 AM

Dude, Trump didn’t win the debate. All she had to do was play prevent defense, he came unglued and was on his heels. It doesn’t matter how much you side with him and his policies, he didn’t win.


To the folks saying the VP debate was a draw, quit lying to yourselves. Vance won that.

You must have watched another debate.  Because the dude stood there and questioned whether the moderators were going to let him lie or not.  Couldn't answer a simple question about the 2020 election.  Dodged and swerved most of the others.  Tim wasn't awesome, but that debate was a draw.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 05, 2024, 07:48:15 AM

Dude, Trump didn’t win the debate. All she had to do was play prevent defense, he came unglued and was on his heels. It doesn’t matter how much you side with him and his policies, he didn’t win.


To the folks saying the VP debate was a draw, quit lying to yourselves. Vance won that.


Trump did poorly.   Was the deck stacked against him?  Yes.  Did the moderators permit Harris to lie without being checked?  Yes.  Did one moderator even offer their OPINION on something?  Yes.  But Trump whiffed on so many softballs and could have easily beaten her if he just focused.  He lost.  He failed to capitalize.

Vance put on a masterclass and easily beat Walz, and only the most delusional of leftist think Vance wasn't better.  Vance appeared confident, polite, and presidential.  Walz got a little better, but had some big gaffes, a horrible answer on why he lied about china, and did not appear to be the leader you want in a crisis.

See, it shouldn't be so hard.

It is funny reading lefty media's attempts to twist the debate in Walz' favor though:

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Tim Walz came off as unpolished, but oddly, that was a good counter to Vance's smooth presentation because it underscored Walz as a genuine, regular guy and not a slick politician

Lol sure.  First, Vance did the opposite of acting like a "slick politician".  He was every bit as genuine as they claim Walz was, showed humanity, the ability to admit he was wrong, and the ability to agree on things.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 05, 2024, 01:21:22 PM
You must have watched another debate.  Because the dude stood there and questioned whether the moderators were going to let him lie or not.  Couldn't answer a simple question about the 2020 election.  Dodged and swerved most of the others.  Tim wasn't awesome, but that debate was a draw.


Posts like this, and the ones calling people having legitimate discussion “trumptards” because they don’t agree with you is why you are either full on trolling or just as bad as others on this board. BBC is left leaning and even they called it in favor of Vance. Waltz had a few good retorts, and for the most part it was actually very civilized (reminded me of the first Romney Obama debate, it was cordial) but overall Vance won. Th only thing to hang onto was his non answer on the 2020 election. Other than that, they cut him off when he defended, and rightfully so, his position because they were incorrect in n how they moderated some of those questions. As in, they lied. Whether it was intentional or just them being poorly educated on all issues, they still were wrong.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 05, 2024, 03:18:34 PM

Posts like this, and the ones calling people having legitimate discussion “trumptards” because they don’t agree with you is why you are either full on trolling or just as bad as others on this board. BBC is left leaning and even they called it in favor of Vance. Waltz had a few good retorts, and for the most part it was actually very civilized (reminded me of the first Romney Obama debate, it was cordial) but overall Vance won. Th only thing to hang onto was his non answer on the 2020 election. Other than that, they cut him off when he defended, and rightfully so, his position because they were incorrect in n how they moderated some of those questions. As in, they lied. Whether it was intentional or just them being poorly educated on all issues, they still were wrong.

Tim started slow but got better at the end.  Vance started out smooth but lost it halfway through by questioning if the mods were fact checking him.  Then failing to answer a simple direct question.  Avoiding his prior claims.  And trying to still heap the troubles on migrants, migrants, migrants.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 06, 2024, 06:10:51 AM
Tim started slow but got better at the end. Vance started out smooth but lost it halfway through by questioning if the mods were fact checking him.  Then failing to answer a simple direct question.  Avoiding his prior claims.  And trying to still heap the troubles on migrants, migrants, migrants.

This wasn't a loss.  It was a win, because of two reasons:

1. It point out the moderator bias, as they broke the rules of the debate

2. Vance was right.

Pushing the migrant issue is the right thing to do as well.  One of Trump's mistakes at his debate was the failure to just keep tying Harris to the current administration's failures.

Just because Vance avoided one question (from Walz) doesn't cancel out the other 99% of the debate.

Shit, even SNL mocked his performance.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2024, 06:15:56 AM
It pointed out he planned to lie and avoid answering the question.  That he had all intentions of lying from the start.

Just yesterday he doubled down on the claim that Trump won the 2020 election.   Why not have the balls to say that during the debate?
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Vance says Trump won the 2020 election - then doubles down on the lie in new interview
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Vance+says+Trump+won+the+2020+election+-+then+doubles+down+on+the+lie+in+new+interview
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The longer it went on, the worse he did.  Shouting over women and having his mic wasn't a positive note.  The reply "that is a damning nonanswer" could have been applied to half of his answers.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 06, 2024, 06:35:05 AM

Shouting over women and having his mic wasn't a positive note.


Might want to get your TRT checked to see if it's real - You're one degree away from using the term mansplaining.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on October 06, 2024, 09:05:22 AM

Might want to get your TRT checked to see if it's real - You're one degree away from using the term mansplaining.
How you continue to use logic and common sense with the weirdo is beyond me. He's so far extreme left he is incapable of rational conversations.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2024, 09:51:52 AM

Dude, Trump didn’t win the debate. All she had to do was play prevent defense, he came unglued and was on his heels. It doesn’t matter how much you side with him and his policies, he didn’t win.


To the folks saying the VP debate was a draw, quit lying to yourselves. Vance won that.

You and I have different opinions why he won or lost. I said in another post that Trump lost on performance but won on substance. She had no substance and skated on policy and couldn’t answer questions. If I’m judging a debate I want to hear substance, how will this affect ME especially since I have businesses one with 70+ employees.

But like Grape said, he did miss some opportunities but not enough for him to lose on the SUBSTANCE of the debate. The moderators only fact checked him and even they got called out for being wrong on their “fact checks” which, IMO, made him winning even more conclusive.

Now, if you want to compare how JD Vance and Tim Walz debated. Both Trump and Harris could take a lesson on how to debate and how it should be conducted. I enjoyed that debate. Both conducted themselves in a civil manor.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 06, 2024, 12:01:56 PM
You and I have different opinions why he won or lost. I said in another post that Trump lost on performance but won on substance. She had no substance and skated on policy and couldn’t answer questions. If I’m judging a debate I want to hear substance, how will this affect ME especially since I have businesses one with 70+ employees.

But like Grape said, he did miss some opportunities but not enough for him to lose on the SUBSTANCE of the debate. The moderators only fact checked him and even they got called out for being wrong on their “fact checks” which, IMO, made him winning even more conclusive.

Now, if you want to compare how JD Vance and Tim Walz debated. Both Trump and Harris could take a lesson on how to debate and how it should be conducted. I enjoyed that debate. Both conducted themselves in a civil manor.


I can see what you’re saying on substance. As if, you had a stenographer read it back it may very well seem evenly matched or that she didn’t really do anything to defend her position. That said, things like body language and literally how the person talks with inflection etc. have a lot to do with performance. In that case, Trump really whiffed.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2024, 12:07:48 PM

Might want to get your TRT checked to see if it's real - You're one degree away from using the term mansplaining.

Well that would require him to view as manly.  Eye liner, pink tie, he probably has his Sephoria points maxed out.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 06, 2024, 12:08:37 PM
How you continue to use logic and common sense with the weirdo is beyond me. He's so far extreme left he is incapable of rational conversations.

Says the weirdo who can never comment on the actual topic of any thread or posts within.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on October 06, 2024, 03:28:55 PM
Says the weirdo who can never comment on the actual topic of any thread or posts within.
Watching your interactions with the more reasonable getbiggers has convinced me that you are too far gone to be conversed with, weirdo.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2024, 05:19:46 PM
Well that would require him to view as manly.  Eye liner, pink tie, he probably has his Sephoria points maxed out.

Says the guy who frequents Bangkok..
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 07, 2024, 08:28:39 AM
Watching your interactions with the more reasonable getbiggers has convinced me that you are too far gone to be conversed with, weirdo.

You have nothing to contribute anyway, except whining, TDfS and tv static, weirdo.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 07, 2024, 08:29:11 AM
Says the guy who frequents Bangkok..

Awww.... Mr. Soapy Studs and his queer projections.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 10, 2024, 12:25:09 AM
Trump lost. No question. Anyone at this point claiming Trump won is giving away their ridiculous bias. Coach... no offense. We love you, hope you're doing ok but seriously, your posts carry no weight, even among the Trumpsters

The Vance Waltz debate. Not so clear. If I was watching the debate without any background I would say tie. Hell, even maybe Vance edged out Waltz on smoothness. 

But given I am aware of Vance's previous stances and statements... I give a slight edge to Waltz.

1. Vance at one point compared Trump to Hitler. He had to swallow that. Waltz did not have a similar situation

2. Vance asked point blank if Trump lost the election, he demonstrated he was a Trump lap dog and would not have the fortitude that even Pence demonstrated sticking to the constitution against Trumps insistence he trash it.

But overall it was refreshingly cordial, and a breath of fresh air. Both guys are probably decent, but the evidence shows Vance was willing to eat crow to get on the ticket. Not a good look for me.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: AbrahamG on October 10, 2024, 01:12:09 AM
Vance got through 90 minutes without foaming at the mouth.  Therefore he was victorious.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 10, 2024, 06:44:13 AM
Trump lost. No question. Anyone at this point claiming Trump won is giving away their ridiculous bias. Coach... no offense. We love you, hope you're doing ok but seriously, your posts carry no weight, even among the Trumpsters

The Vance Waltz debate. Not so clear. If I was watching the debate without any background I would say tie. Hell, even maybe Vance edged out Waltz on smoothness. 

But given I am aware of Vance's previous stances and statements... I give a slight edge to Waltz.

1. Vance at one point compared Trump to Hitler. He had to swallow that. Waltz did not have a similar situation

2. Vance asked point blank if Trump lost the election, he demonstrated he was a Trump lap dog and would not have the fortitude that even Pence demonstrated sticking to the constitution against Trumps insistence he trash it.

But overall it was refreshingly cordial, and a breath of fresh air. Both guys are probably decent, but the evidence shows Vance was willing to eat crow to get on the ticket. Not a good look for me.

1. Vance's answered this easily.  He said he fell for a lot of the rhetoric perpetuated by the media, and that he was WRONG.  This question and answer actually made him look good.  Politicians rarely admit mistakes.

2. Yes, he didn't answer that question because he couldn't, considering his boss.  It would have been fodder for the rest of the campaign.  However, it did not give Walz a victory.  If it was one ding on Vance, that was it. But compared to Walz:

- looked nervous and gave a horrible answer on his lie about being in China - so bad even SNL used it in their opener
- gaffed huge on the school shooter


Either way, what was obvious was Vance was the leader in the room - he set the tone, he appeared confident, was articulate, kind, empathetic, strong etc....he actually help Walz get over his nervousness. He looked like someone who could handle the situation room, whereas Walz did not.

As far as the "eat crow", Harris railed against Biden in the primaries, saying he was against busing and worked with segregationists.  Her answer to this after she accepted his VP offer was "it was a debate".  Compare that with Vance's answer.

Trump did lose the debate on substance because he....well, acted like him.  But in the bigger picture, the moderation was so completely biased, it exposed the media even more.  Trump lost it more than Harris won it.  Nobody still can explain what they like about her and why they think she'd be a good leader.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Gym Rat on October 10, 2024, 07:16:11 AM
Trump lost. No question.

Your dad lost, no question... Out (of your Ma's rectum) came a flaming turd of a 'son', who has a dripping kvnt in his draws.
Too bad she didnt flush you after her rectum expanded like Primes throat at the glory-hole...

Libz, LOL.. So insane its  hilarious...  ;D
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: deadz on October 10, 2024, 11:12:45 AM
Trump lost. No question. Anyone at this point claiming Trump won is giving away their ridiculous bias. Coach... no offense. We love you, hope you're doing ok but seriously, your posts carry no weight, even among the Trumpsters

The Vance Waltz debate. Not so clear. If I was watching the debate without any background I would say tie. Hell, even maybe Vance edged out Waltz on smoothness. 

But given I am aware of Vance's previous stances and statements... I give a slight edge to Waltz.

1. Vance at one point compared Trump to Hitler. He had to swallow that. Waltz did not have a similar situation

2. Vance asked point blank if Trump lost the election, he demonstrated he was a Trump lap dog and would not have the fortitude that even Pence demonstrated sticking to the constitution against Trumps insistence he trash it.

But overall it was refreshingly cordial, and a breath of fresh air. Both guys are probably decent, but the evidence shows Vance was willing to eat crow to get on the ticket. Not a good look for me.
🖕🤡
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2024, 01:33:31 PM
Trump lost. No question. Anyone at this point claiming Trump won is giving away their ridiculous bias. Coach... no offense. We love you, hope you're doing ok but seriously, your posts carry no weight, even among the Trumpsters

The Vance Waltz debate. Not so clear. If I was watching the debate without any background I would say tie. Hell, even maybe Vance edged out Waltz on smoothness. 

But given I am aware of Vance's previous stances and statements... I give a slight edge to Waltz.

1. Vance at one point compared Trump to Hitler. He had to swallow that. Waltz did not have a similar situation

2. Vance asked point blank if Trump lost the election, he demonstrated he was a Trump lap dog and would not have the fortitude that even Pence demonstrated sticking to the constitution against Trumps insistence he trash it.

But overall it was refreshingly cordial, and a breath of fresh air. Both guys are probably decent, but the evidence shows Vance was willing to eat crow to get on the ticket. Not a good look for me.

Delusional. 

Do you think they should have asked Stolen Valor Tampon Tim why he repeatedly, for years, lied about being a retired Command Sergeant Major?
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on October 15, 2024, 11:46:39 AM
Looks like the debate whistleblower might have been fake.  And now this.  I don't trust anything this account is putting out at this point.

ABC ‘whistleblower’ hoaxster returns with sloppy attempt to frame Tim Walz
The allegations quickly began to crumble after people noticed very obvious issues.
Mikael Thalen
Updated on October 15 2024
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/far-right-account-fabricates-tim-walz-child-allegations/
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Primemuscle on October 15, 2024, 03:49:53 PM
Looks like the debate whistleblower might have been fake.  And now this.  I don't trust anything this account is putting out at this point.

ABC ‘whistleblower’ hoaxster returns with sloppy attempt to frame Tim Walz
The allegations quickly began to crumble after people noticed very obvious issues.
Mikael Thalen
Updated on October 15 2024
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/far-right-account-fabricates-tim-walz-child-allegations/

Wise move.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2024, 05:50:34 AM
The debate whistle blower was already known to be fake weeks ago.  Not everyone fell for the "affidavit" bullshit.  Only MAGAtards did.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Grape Ape on October 17, 2024, 07:39:13 AM
Did not need a fake whistleblower report to show how biased the abc debate moderators were.

Wouldn't also be surprised if the story was generated by the left, to make the dopiest maga types from fall for it, and further discredit.

There are professional troll farms that constantly do this shit.

Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2024, 03:50:27 PM
Did not need a fake whistleblower report to show how biased the abc debate moderators were.

Wouldn't also be surprised if the story was generated by the left, to make the dopiest maga types from fall for it, and further discredit.

There are professional troll farms that constantly do this shit.
Most of the stories on the leftist media use "anonymous sources" to report wild stories and accusations.
Title: Re: The Debate…
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2024, 06:40:38 PM
Most of the stories on the leftist media use "anonymous sources" to report wild stories and accusations.

They even write entire books anonymously.