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Your thoughts on this. Trainer has been upping his dosage of creatine to 15G's per day and says its boosted his performance and says he feels younger. He says he has a very active lifestyle and feels that someone less active may not benefit. Would think he would bloaten up or look fat.
https://www.mensfitness.com/news/dan-go-max-dosing-creatine?utm_medium=email&utm_source=iterable&utm_source=mensfitness_newsletter&utm_campaign=mensfitness&utm_content=1739466056318
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Creatine has been around for decades now, has hundreds of studies to back up the positive benefits.
It is now also marketed as a nootropic and longevity supplement in addition to it's performance benefits.
While it does have a high safety profile, Ive never heard of anyone taking 15 grams a day. I have no idea what-if any- side effects come on at that dose. It very well may work wonders at that dose. Because it draws water into your muscles I would assume it affects hydration. Anything affecting hydration could be harmful if overdone.
But , again, there are hundreds of studies on it at all kinds of doses and it is one of the safest, most versatile supplements. Try it for a week or two and find out...
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waste of money and you might end up with damaged kidneys
All it does is make you hold water
Biggest scam since Orchic Testicle gland tablets
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Just eat a steak a day and you`ll get all the Creatine you need.
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Creatine has been around for decades now, has hundreds of studies to back up the positive benefits.
It is now also marketed as a nootropic and longevity supplement in addition to it's performance benefits.
While it does have a high safety profile, Ive never heard of anyone taking 15 grams a day. I have no idea what-if any- side effects come on at that dose. It very well may work wonders at that dose. Because it draws water into your muscles I would assume it affects hydration. Anything affecting hydration could be harmful if overdone.
But , again, there are hundreds of studies on it at all kinds of doses and it is one of the safest, most versatile supplements. Try it for a week or two and find out...
Milos Sarcev reportedly has his athletes take upwards of 100 grams a day.seriously. I used to do 20 to 40 grams all the time as a kid. You had Charles Poliquin advicing 40 grams and this was early-mid 90s, I first took it in 1993 iirc. I think these bloat complaints are imaginary for the most part, and even the studies show it doesn't increase extracellular water, it's inside the muscle making you look harder. How much extra water do guys really hold on modest creatine, maybe 3lbs, it's not much.
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Milos Sarcev reportedly has his athletes take upwards of 100 grams a day.seriously. I used to do 20 to 40 grams all the time as a kid. You had Charles Poliquin advicing 40 grams and this was early-mid 90s, I first took it in 1993 iirc. I think these bloat complaints are imaginary for the most part, and even the studies show it doesn't increase extracellular water, it's inside the muscle making you look harder. How much extra water do guys really hold on modest creatine, maybe 3lbs, it's not much.
its not that you hod a lot of water but it holds water in the cells so you get a better pump, you feel fuller
Once you stop taking it that goes away.
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Your thoughts on this. Trainer has been upping his dosage of creatine to 15G's per day and says its boosted his performance and says he feels younger. He says he has a very active lifestyle and feels that someone less active may not benefit. Would think he would bloaten up or look fat.
https://www.mensfitness.com/news/dan-go-max-dosing-creatine?utm_medium=email&utm_source=iterable&utm_source=mensfitness_newsletter&utm_campaign=mensfitness&utm_content=1739466056318
That fitness coach is taking steroids but he is telling people that he’s on “creatine”.
I feel younger! I’m stronger! I’m recovering faster! 🙄
It’s 1995 all over again 🙄
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its not that you hod a lot of water but it holds water in the cells so you get a better pump, you feel fuller
Once you stop taking it that goes away.
Exactly. I think that's generally a good thing, the cells get more anabolic because of it too. I never seen someone suddenly look fat or get edema from creatine. If it does happen something is probably wrong healthwise, especially if you only do the saturation maintenance dose of 3-5 grams or whatever it is, don't know what could happen with 100 grams :D My favorite was when users said Kre-Alkalyn didn't make them hold water when it was just the same plain monohydrate just dosed lower (a little ph adjuster added).
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waste of money and you might end up with damaged kidneys
All it does is make you hold water
Biggest scam since Orchic Testicle gland tablets
Except studies have proven it has dozens of benefits and theres ZERO kidney damage associated with it at doses of 5-10 grams a day. Theres no studies that shows it causes kidney damage at all but im not aware of studies done at 15, 40 or 100 grams a day.
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That fitness coach is taking steroids but he is telling people that he’s on “creatine”.
I feel younger! I’m stronger! I’m recovering faster! 🙄
It’s 1995 all over again 🙄
Until you post a pic, you're just a schmoe with an opinion. A retard schmoe at that.
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Started back on it mostly for brain health. 5mg's a day wound up messing up my digestive system and making me nauseated
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Started back on it mostly for brain health. 5mg's a day wound up messing up my digestive system and making me nauseated
But Creatine “makes you feel young again” 😂
Q: Who believes this crap?
A: Beakdoctor
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But Creatine “makes you feel young again” 😂
Q: Who believes this crap?
A: Beakdoctor
No. Thats some bullshit you said in your previous retard post.
That fitness coach is taking steroids but he is telling people that he’s on “creatine”.
I feel younger! I’m stronger! I’m recovering faster! 🙄
It’s 1995 all over again 🙄
Hope this helps, retard. It works better if you don't shove it up your bunghole...
Oh yeah. Btw, until you post a pic, you're just a schmoe with a retarded opinion....
....And the worlds worst closeted homosexual.
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“George. Your mother and I had a discussion. We want to feel young again. So we went out and bought some creatine.”
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“Royalty's mom and I want to have another baby. So Im taking her to the zoo. I heard retards like the zoo."
Doctor: At your advanced age there's a high probability your child will have birth defects, potentially downs or low functioning autisim.
"Anything is better than Royalty. He's in his room zooming in on some dead arab's penis again."
Doctor: have you tried in-vitro?
Fixed it for you , stupid ass.
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Back in the day I was sponsored by Champion Nutrition............got there Creatine monthly experimented with various dosages.......noticed nada,zilch, nothing.
I have heard though that certain people don`t respond well to it much like guys who respond better to gear than non responders.
Fuck it...........just my 3 CC`s ! ;)
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If I ate 15 grams of Creatine a day I would die shitting myself.
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Biggest scam since Orchic Testicle gland tablets
Those sound good (nh)
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Except studies have proven it has dozens of benefits and theres ZERO kidney damage associated with it at doses of 5-10 grams a day. Theres no studies that shows it causes kidney damage at all but im not aware of studies done at 15, 40 or 100 grams a day.
There was some confusion because of creatine/creatinine. I don't offhand remember if it can raise creatinine but I think it really didn't. There were studies on 20-30g but that was only a loading scheme not for long term.
Back in the day I was sponsored by Champion Nutrition............got there Creatine monthly experimented with various dosages.......noticed nada,zilch, nothing.
I have heard though that certain people don`t respond well to it much like guys who respond better to gear than non responders.
Fuck it...........just my 3 CC`s ! ;)
A little bit of sodium and an insulin spike helped but some respond poorly. Milos uses creatine with the insulin doses.
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Early on, Poliquin and those guys were using horse creatine from the livestock suppliers because of the cost. I wonder what the mix was on that, most were creatine and dextrose mixes before they became popular. That was one of the little secrets, BCAAs, DMSO, Creatine, Trenbolone, and a bunch of other things all came from the feed stores.
Not really all that interesting, but a little bit of history.
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I often wonder if this stuff is largely psychological.
Getbigger starts taking creatine with the expectation that it improves their gains. Then whether it does or not, they keep taking it, concerned they will lose out on something if they cease it.
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Creatine works. First time use was back in 92. Gained the water wight in the muscles ,10lbs in a couple weeks. Strength gains where obvious, I did however just start to increase intensity and failure rate of workouts, combined with compensatory acceleration training. With the workouts being more regimented and military by schedule, combined with the creatine, my strength gains went up every week for 12 weeks straight. I then backed off to more volume to spare the joints.
Bottom line my experience was real, was positive. I have continued to use on occasion and I still respond well to it's use. Zero side effects,zero bloat
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Creatine works. First time use was back in 92. Gained the water wight in the muscles ,10lbs in a couple weeks. Strength gains where obvious, I did however just start to increase intensity and failure rate of workouts, combined with compensatory acceleration training. With the workouts being more regimented and military by schedule, combined with the creatine, my strength gains went up every week for 12 weeks straight. I then backed off to more volume to spare the joints.
Bottom line my experience was real, was positive. I have continued to use on occasion and I still respond well to it's use. Zero side effects,zero bloat
Spare us your lies.
Creatine was not available until 1994.
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If it puts water into the muscle it improves leverage so you can lift more.
Gaining fat improves leverage too which is why fat people are usually pretty strong.
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Spare us your lies.
Creatine was not available until 1994.
1993 actually, I had to look it up. EAS products, which is what I used.
This is what happens when you approach 60years of age, I was off by a year, ha!
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We expect exactness with numbers around here.
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We expect exactness with numbers around here.
;D
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Sprinters in the ‘92 Olympics admitted they were using creatine.
Maybe it was just a placebo or a lie, but they said it helped them.
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“George, in 1992, Olympic sprinters were experimenting with creatine”
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You could get the livestock version for a bit earlier, like 1991 or so. Then it took a bit longer to sort out the rights to the human grade version. The horse version was a 20-25 gram scoop at a time, 2 x daily. Dirt cheap too, like $1.00-1.25 a 20 gram serving in bulk.
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I used it when I was 20 years old and had serious benefits from it. I don’t think I ever used it after that. I was in college and it was an unnecessary expense but I don’t know why I never picked it back up. My wife started taking it 2 months or so ago for brain function. I never heard of that aspect. She has a kidney stone so she went back to the endo after she was taking it and there was no negative effects as far as he saw.
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I used it when I was 20 years old and had serious benefits from it. I don’t think I ever used it after that. I was in college and it was an unnecessary expense but I don’t know why I never picked it back up. My wife started taking it 2 months or so ago for brain function. I never heard of that aspect. She has a kidney stone so she went back to the endo after she was taking it and there was no negative effects as far as he saw.
Lies
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The innocent days when you used to mix your post-workout powders like a scientist, all within the 30 minute window.
It's interesting seeing here that people are using it as a "nootropic" nowadays. Would be funny if it's propaganda from the fart powder illuminati who were pushing it as a natty steroid in the 90s-00s.
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The innocent days when you used to mix your post-workout powders like a scientist, all within the 30 minute window.
It's interesting seeing here that people are using it as a "nootropic" nowadays. Would be funny if it's propaganda from the fart powder illuminati who were pushing it as a natty steroid in the 90s-00s.
There's a lot of studies on it. It was easier to sell a load of bullshit in the 90's. All you had were fitness and muscle magazines, they wrote an article and you believed what it said about Pyruvate, Saw apalmetto, Sarsparilla or Folate. If you wanted more you'd have to go to the library and hope JAMA or Scientific American covered it.
Now, if you're diligent enough you can find the studies. Creatine is actually one of the most studied supplements.
Btw, aI don't even use it myself. My workouts are just fine without it. But I have read the data backing it's safety and benefits.
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Legendary getbigger and successful competitor _aj_ has been swearing by the 15g of creatine trend.
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Legendary getbigger and successful competitor _aj_ has been swearing by the 15g of creatine trend.
If his calves are any indication, 15g is not the sweet spot.
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Lies
Which part, or all of it? Help me help you hoss.
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There's a lot of studies on it. It was easier to sell a load of bullshit in the 90's. All you had were fitness and muscle magazines, they wrote an article and you believed what it said about Pyruvate, Saw apalmetto, Sarsparilla or Folate. If you wanted more you'd have to go to the library and hope JAMA or Scientific American covered it.
Now, if you're diligent enough you can find the studies. Creatine is actually one of the most studied supplements.
Btw, aI don't even use it myself. My workouts are just fine without it. But I have read the data backing it's safety and benefits.
Vanadyl Sulphate was pushed hard back then as well. Bill Phillips owned EAS and their "scientists."
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If his calves are any indication, 15g is not the sweet spot.
Alas we are all not perfect.
He does suffer from tall man's syndrome in some areas.
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Vanadyl Sulphate was pushed hard back then as well. Bill Phillips owned EAS and their "scientists."
I remember a bunch of useless stuff... the vanadyl was made by Sportpharma iirc and a bunch others copied it, Twinlab etc. If it really worked is hard to say, placebo is strong. The worry was that it's a heavy metal and toxic in those doses, which I took regardless at the time. But it really was used even by pros. They'll try anything. Bodybuilders will try anything. Many supps have a smidgen of data or truth behind them but most are not worth it. I did just buy a 50% off baggie of creatine, anything to stave off muscle loss I guess.
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I remember a bunch of useless stuff... the vanadyl was made by Sportpharma iirc and a bunch others copied it, Twinlab etc. If it really worked is hard to say, placebo is strong. The worry was that it's a heavy metal and toxic in those doses, which I took regardless at the time. But it really was used even by pros. They'll try anything. Bodybuilders will try anything. Many supps have a smidgen of data or truth behind them but most are not worth it. I did just buy a 50% off baggie of creatine, anything to stave off muscle loss I guess.
I loaded up on Creatine, Vanadyl, MetRx, weight gain powder, numerous herbs and minerals, Hot Stuff (my fav) ;D, Ultimate Orange, etc, etc, while training balls to the wall. I think I may have gained 2 or 3 pounds until I missed a meal and lost it all. Then I went to Mexico and bought some gear and gained 25lbs while training like a girl.
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I take a rounded scoop daily (so probably 8g if I had to guess).
More than likely it probably does absolutely nothing to benefit my physique, but I have convinced myself that it does, just like with pre-workout. Lol
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I loaded up on Creatine, Vanadyl, MetRx, weight gain powder, numerous herbs and minerals, Hot Stuff (my fav) ;D, Ultimate Orange, etc, etc, while training balls to the wall. I think I may have gained 2 or 3 pounds until I missed a meal and lost it all. Then I went to Mexico and bought some gear and gained 25lbs while training like a girl.
Creatine was so damn expensive during that era. Like 50 bucks for a small bottle. MetRx was like 3 bucks a serving for what, 130 -230 cal? Lol, can't remember.
It's funny though - I got to my strongest and heaviest when I had the least $ and took no supps - drinking the grossest shake 2x a day in addition to 3 meals and never missing it: 2 cups milk, 1 cup oats, a full cup of powdered milk ($8 a box) and peanut butter. Horrible.
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Creatine was so damn expensive during that era. Like 50 bucks for a small bottle. MetRx was like 3 bucks a serving for what, 130 -230 cal? Lol, can't remember.
It's funny though - I got to my strongest and heaviest when I had the least $ and took no supps - drinking the grossest shake 2x a day in addition to 3 meals and never missing it: 2 cups milk, 1 cup oats, a full cup of powdered milk ($8 a box) and peanut butter. Horrible.
The oatmeal must have been hard to swallow.
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I loaded up on Creatine, Vanadyl, MetRx, weight gain powder, numerous herbs and minerals, Hot Stuff (my fav) ;D, Ultimate Orange, etc, etc, while training balls to the wall. I think I may have gained 2 or 3 pounds until I missed a meal and lost it all. Then I went to Mexico and bought some gear and gained 25lbs while training like a girl.
:D
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The oatmeal must have been hard to swallow.
I used to put dry oatmeal in my PW shakes.....it wasn`t too bad considering some of the gross concoctions I drank as a kid.
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I used to put dry oatmeal in my PW shakes.....it wasn`t too bad considering some of the gross concoctions I drank as a kid.
Yeah, it's not bad if you don't do too much. But a full cup wasn't good.
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Yeah, it's not bad if you don't do too much. But a full cup wasn't good.
I used about 1/2 a cup......a full cup would be like gargling peanut butter. ;D
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93-94, the retail on MetRx was $3.15 a packet. EAS's original Phosphagain, which was MexRx's competitor when Phillips and Connelly had their split was about the same price at $3.25, but Phillips threw in some creatine in the mix on that version. Phosphagen, the regular bulk creatine, was on special from EAS at $39 / 200grams in 94.
Just a few prices I was able to grab quickly.
I remember the creatine being under lock and key for years at our local GNCs.
Edit - The original Phosphagain because few remember it -
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It was horrible stuff, came in one flavor, salty vanilla. Also for like a year or two, they shipped Phosphagain and Phosphagen HP in those crumby cardboard tubes. God help you in you spilt some water close by.
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93-94, the retail on MetRx was $3.15 a packet. EAS's original Phosphagain, which was MexRx's competitor when Phillips and Connelly had their split was about the same price at $3.25, but Phillips threw in some creatine in the mix on that version. Phosphagen, the regular bulk creatine, was on special from EAS at $39 / 200grams in 94.
Just a few prices I was able to grab quickly.
I remember the creatine being under lock and key for years at our local GNCs.
Good find - I was close.
So 40 servings of creatine was 40 bucks in 94, or $1 per scoop.
Now 200 servings is 30 bucks, or 15 cents a scoop.
Fuckin' EAS lol.
No wonder he made so much money.
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I used to put dry oatmeal in my PW shakes.....it wasn`t too bad considering some of the gross concoctions I drank as a kid.
Why not just eat it separately?
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Why not just eat it separately?
Just a matter of convience.......gotta try to get it in before the 30 minute anabolic window closes. ;D
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Just a matter of convience.......gotta try to get it in before the 30 minute anabolic window closes. ;D
Yeah, woof down as much as possible. At least it's better than raw eggs.
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Yeah, woof down as much as possible. At least it's better than raw eggs.
Haven`t done raw eggs in many years....thank God! :(
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Haven`t done raw eggs in many years....thank God! :(
I only tried it once in 1984 after seeing Hulk Hogan do it. After drinking it down I puked all over the kitchen.
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I only tried it once in 1984 after seeing Hulk Hogan do it. After drinking it down I puked all over the kitchen.
I managed to keep them down,but it was gross.
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does creatine increase or decrease injury risk?
should be less since saturated muscles with more water/glycogen or?
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does creatine increase or decrease injury risk?
should be less since saturated muscles with more water/glycogen or?
“George, your mother and I are worried about creatine related injuries.”
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“George, your mother and I are worried about creatine related injuries.”
Smartass.... feels im already prone to injury. I don't want to worsen it.
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15 grams is the sweet spot IMO
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Smartass.... feels im already prone to injury. I don't want to worsen it.
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does creatine increase or decrease injury risk?
should be less since saturated muscles with more water/glycogen or?
Many athletes and powerlifters and their coaches used to feel it was dangerous, massively increased cramping, muscle pulls and tears, "tight" muscles like with steroids. I think studies said it did not lead to cramping but coaches don't always care about studies. I'm pretty sure everyone today uses it to some degree at least in some disciplines, the advantage of having more creatine is too big (but in some disciplines they feel they can't afford even a 1 pound weight increase so it depends). Yes the creatine advantage is big even when compared to a lot of pharma things that are used, many of which it's doubtful even work.
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Which part, or all of it? Help me help you hoss.
He can't say.
It didn't work for him when he worked out. But then again, nothing worked for him when he worked out.
Now he's just pissed that he's wrong.
You'd think an idiot like him would get used to being wrong but royaly_fucked-in-his-head is a man who lives deeply in denial about many aspects of his life.
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“Royalty, your mother and I are worried about the ammount of time you spend looking at a dead arabs cock, you'll go blind. And the hairy palms, Oy Vey!"
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Anybody still use powdered milk?
Last time I checked in the supermarket all I saw was a smallish container and it was $$.
Used to come in a big box for reasonable price.
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Anybody still use powdered milk?
Last time I checked in the supermarket all I saw was a smallish container and it was $$.
Used to come in a big box for reasonable price.
I bought a small packet recently to try but didn't use it yet. :D If you could only lower the sugar content a little.
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Why not just eat it separately?
Because it must be mixed with grape juice for optimal uptake.
;D
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Because it must be mixed with grape juice for optimal uptake.
;D
Haven`t thought of that in decades!! LOL :D
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SweetDaddySiki started this bullshit thread.... and hasn’t come back since.
He’s probably out shopping for Fanny Packs 😂
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Cell tech =The best. It built the late Greg kovaks. Nothing more needs to be said
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Because it must be mixed with grape juice for optimal uptake.
;D
I actually made sure I always took them together. Phillips had me believing. ;D
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I actually made sure I always took them together. Phillips had me believing. ;D
Cell tech =The best. It built the late Greg kovaks. Nothing more needs to be said
I skimmed the Celltech label when ordering my baggie of creatine since it was also off. But now it only has 3 grams of creatine vs the 10 grams and I think way less carbs, too lazy to go check. The original had 75 grams of dextrose, the amount based on the glucose challenge test docs use to check for how you handle carbs (diabetes). Insulin will help uptake plus you get a carb load at the same time so you get even more weight gain/pumps. Milos for example will use the creatine with the insulin injections. Whether it's worth it in the end to try to get an insulin spike each time you take creatine can be debated but at least there's some basis for it, grape juice of course is shock full of dextrose. If someone does have a particularly high carb meal for example post workout it does make sense to take the daily creatine at that time. Bill's brother promoted a concoction for photoshoots: creatine, wine and glycerol mixed together :D
Someone said Milos' fave carb/sugar source is dates :D Supposedly they IV the insulin around workouts preferably these days, but I don't think you can sustain that for long withhout messing up your veins in the arms.
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Cell tech =The best. It built the late Greg kovaks. Nothing more needs to be said
The "late" Greg Kovaks. ;D
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SweetDaddySiki started this bullshit thread.... and hasn’t come back since.
He’s probably out shopping for Fanny Packs 😂
“Royalty, your mother and I are worried about the ammount of time you spend looking at a dead arabs cock, you'll go blind. And the hairy palms, Oy Vey!"
What a fucking chatch.
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SweetDaddySiki started this bullshit thread.... and hasn’t come back since.
He’s probably out shopping for Fanny Packs 😂
Hey sorry! I was just curious to see what others thought of that daily amount. Personally, I think it's all misdirection by the guy to keep people from thinking that he's on PEDs which he probably is. We can end this thread if you want. And I do have this hip shoulder bag that I like that I keep my ipad and other things in when I go out and know that I'll have time to read. Wife and daughter hate it and tell me that I'm too old for that but oh well. Maybe I CAN get away with a fanny pack...
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Hey sorry! I was just curious to see what others thought of that daily amount. Personally, I think it's all misdirection by the guy to keep people from thinking that he's on PEDs which he probably is. We can end this thread if you want. And I do have this hip shoulder bag that I like that I keep my ipad and other things in when I go out and know that I'll have time to read. Wife and daughter hate it and tell me that I'm too old for that but oh well. Maybe I CAN get away with a fanny pack...
Use the Rosanne Barr voice when you read this
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Use the Rosanne Barr voice when you read this
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This creatine thread has been amazing 🤣
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This creatine thread has been amazing 🤣
:D :D :D Just wanted to see what people thought about that amount used daily. We can stop the thread if you want.
I tried creatine in the 90's when I was on the programs from Bob Paris' books (no homo). Not to start a flame war but "shaping" routines do work but when I started taking creatine every part of the muscle got bigger and ruined my "aesthetics" and just gained mass.
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what did paris recommend?
I saw him at a semnar about 89 or so and he was a lot. bigger than I thought- also reallly wide shoulders. the women in the audience were going mad for him.
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but when I started taking creatine every part of the muscle got bigger and ruined my "aesthetics" and just gained mass.
Come on man, this is on par with women saying a few workouts made them very muscular. If Paris was someone to emulate why didn't steroids ruin his aesthetics when they cause water retention? Creatine will not ruin any aesthetics, most only gain 2-3lbs, some none, with moderate creatine intake. Besides, if it did cause these unwanted effects you'd piss it out immediately after stopping it. Most of the time many supplement effects are completely imaginary, both positive and negative. You can just read supp reviews on amazon or iherb or whereever to see placebo and nocebo in full effect. I gave the example of Kre-Alkalyn and other fancy creatines that supposedly have all the positive and none of the bloat effects of creatine, and which most reviewers agree work as advertised; unbeknownst to them it's all the same stuff, one of creatines effects is some extra intracellular water. Imaginary effects. Many also give bad reviews to proven supps, because the supp smelled strange or had the wrong color or caused imaginary sides. I'm also amazed at the number of people who take supps without even knowing what it's supposedly used for. I kick myself for giving this any energy but what the hell... :D
One friend at work bought creatine after he asked for supps that worked and after one dose he thougt he felt a twinge in his stomach and refused to try any more. Sensitive... ::) :D
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Use the Rosanne Barr voice when you read this
Use a fucking brain when posting online. I can only imagine what other forums you've fucked up with your contributions.
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:D :D :D Just wanted to see what people thought about that amount used daily. We can stop the thread if you want.
I tried creatine in the 90's when I was on the programs from Bob Paris' books (no homo). Not to start a flame war but "shaping" routines do work but when I started taking creatine every part of the muscle got bigger and ruined my "aesthetics" and just gained mass.
Come on man, this is on par with women saying a few workouts made them very muscular. If Paris was someone to emulate why didn't steroids ruin his aesthetics when they cause water retention? Creatine will not ruin any aesthetics, most only gain 2-3lbs, some none, with moderate creatine intake. Besides, if it did cause these unwanted effects you'd piss it out immediately after stopping it. Most of the time many supplement effects are completely imaginary, both positive and negative. You can just read supp reviews on amazon or iherb or whereever to see placebo and nocebo in full effect. I gave the example of Kre-Alkalyn and other fancy creatines that supposedly have all the positive and none of the bloat effects of creatine, and which most reviewers agree work as advertised; unbeknownst to them it's all the same stuff, one of creatines effects is some extra intracellular water. Imaginary effects. Many also give bad reviews to proven supps, because the supp smelled strange or had the wrong color or caused imaginary sides. I'm also amazed at the number of people who take supps without even knowing what it's supposedly used for. I kick myself for giving this any energy but what the hell... :D
One friend at work bought creatine after he asked for supps that worked and after one dose he thougt he felt a twinge in his stomach and refused to try any more. Sensitive... ::) :D
This is a garbage thread. It’s all about Sweetdaddysiki getting some attention for himself.
The “Creatine ruined my esthetics” comment is just one clue.
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This is a garbage thread. It’s all about Sweetdaddysiki getting some attention for himself.
The “Creatine ruined my esthetics” comment is just one clue.
I'm 58; If I wanted attention I'd go out in pubic wearing my stupid (but hip) crossbody bag.
Really, lets end this thread. I was just curious what others thought of 15 grams of creatine a day. I now see what others think so we can end this.
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I'm 58; If I wanted attention I'd go out in pubic wearing my stupid (but hip) crossbody bag.
Really, lets end this thread. I was just curious what others thought of 15 grams of creatine a day. I now see what others think so we can end this.
Threads are gonna thread man, have to let them ride.
However, Rambone and _aj_ have suggested they like the 15g, and they are both in shape, so just give it a shot and see if you like it.
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93-94, the retail on MetRx was $3.15 a packet. EAS's original Phosphagain, which was MexRx's competitor when Phillips and Connelly had their split was about the same price at $3.25, but Phillips threw in some creatine in the mix on that version. Phosphagen, the regular bulk creatine, was on special from EAS at $39 / 200grams in 94.
Just a few prices I was able to grab quickly.
I remember the creatine being under lock and key for years at our local GNCs.
Edit - The original Phosphagain because few remember it -
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It was horrible stuff, came in one flavor, salty vanilla. Also for like a year or two, they shipped Phosphagain and Phosphagen HP in those crumby cardboard tubes. God help you in you spilt some water close by.
I remember Phosphagain. It costs $70 back in the mid-90s. For all the fancy gibberish in the ingredients list, it was basically just milk and egg protein with creatine and some vitamins in it.
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I remember Phosphagain. It costs $70 back in the mid-90s. For all the fancy gibberish in the ingredients list, it was basically just milk and egg protein with creatine and some vitamins in it.
I thought Phosphagain was creatine + a boatload of sugar.
I'm probably wrong though, but I do remember them having a product like that.
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I thought Phosphagain was creatine + a boatload of sugar.
I'm probably wrong though, but I do remember them having a product like that.
Phosphagen HP was the creatine and sugar mix.
Phosphagen was the plain bulk creatine.
And Phosphagain was the shitty MetRx replacement when Connelly and Phillips had a spat over who was owed what. It only lasted 1 or 2 years, before they replaced it with Myoplex, which was more or less, the direct MetRx rip off with just a tiny bit more protein (37 grams vs 42).
Phillips had a few products like that starting out. He was good at marketing, but bad at packaging for a few years. He liked bland colors, plainer packaging, and selling barrels, when people were digging the packets more.
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I'm 58; If I wanted attention I'd go out in pubic wearing my stupid (but hip) crossbody bag.
Really, lets end this thread. I was just curious what others thought of 15 grams of creatine a day. I now see what others think so we can end this.
Siki, don't worry about what royalty says, there is something royaly fucked in his head. He looks like shit and his opinions on bodybuilding are skewed by his failed attempt at bodybuilding. 20 years ago he would've tried anything. Now he's a bitter schmoe who thinks everything is a scam because it didn't work for him.
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Creatine has been around for decades now, has hundreds of studies to back up the positive benefits.
It is now also marketed as a nootropic and longevity supplement in addition to it's performance benefits.
While it does have a high safety profile, Ive never heard of anyone taking 15 grams a day. I have no idea what-if any- side effects come on at that dose. It very well may work wonders at that dose. Because it draws water into your muscles I would assume it affects hydration. Anything affecting hydration could be harmful if overdone.
But , again, there are hundreds of studies on it at all kinds of doses and it is one of the safest, most versatile supplements. Try it for a week or two and find out...
That's what most people did back in the day when they loaded with creatine for the first week. Usually, it was 20-30 grams per day for a week, followed by a maintenance dose of 5 grams per day.
I first used creatine nearly 30 years ago in 1996. It was EAS' Phosphagen HP (Fruit Punch). I took four servings per day (20 grams) for the first 5 days and did one serving afterwards.
If you've never loaded with it before, you'll swear creatine is manna from heaven. I went from 215 to 222 in one week, from 222 to 225 the second week, and 225 to 227 the third week.
Suffice it to say, I've never replicated those results since then. Hence, I refer to creatine as the crack of supplements (reportedly, you get the biggest high the first time you use it).
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I only tried it once in 1984 after seeing Hulk Hogan do it. After drinking it down I puked all over the kitchen.
That's why you don't drink them directly. You add them to milk or half-and-half and add some sweetener like Nestle Quik.
I've been doing that for decades. In fact, that's what I had for breakfast. Only now, it's only two eggs and 8-10 fl. oz. of milk vs. six eggs and 16 oz of milk back in college.
Phosphagen HP was the creatine and sugar mix.
Phosphagen was the plain bulk creatine.
And Phosphagain was the shitty MetRx replacement when Connelly and Phillips had a spat over who was owed what. It only lasted 1 or 2 years, before they replaced it with Myoplex, which was more or less, the direct MetRx rip off with just a tiny bit more protein (37 grams vs 42).
Phillips had a few products like that starting out. He was good at marketing, but bad at packaging for a few years. He liked bland colors, plainer packaging, and selling barrels, when people were digging the packets more.
They actually had a Phosphagain 2 (which had 25 grams of protein vs 20 for Phosphagain) before phasing it out once MyoPlex gained some steam.
Phosphagen HP was the original Kool-Aid-style creatine supplement. That's why loading was never an issue. The stuff was YUMMY!!
MuscleTech bagged on Phosphagen HP at first when it released Creatine 6000-ES (creatine with arginine, glycne, and methionine). Two years later, we get Cell-Tech, which was based double the serving of Phosphagen HP (10 grams of creatine and 75 grams of dextrose vs. 5.25 grams of creatine and 33 grams of dextrose, respectively). MuscleTech sprinkled some ALA in it and told you to load by taking two servings per day, one first thing in the morning and the other immediately after training.
The ALA was reported to increase insulin even more than just the sugar alone, which let you cram 10 grams of creatine into your muscles. Cell-Tech was quite delicious.....except for the orange version :-X
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Phosphagen HP was the creatine and sugar mix.
Phosphagen was the plain bulk creatine.
And Phosphagain was the shitty MetRx replacement when Connelly and Phillips had a spat over who was owed what. It only lasted 1 or 2 years, before they replaced it with Myoplex, which was more or less, the direct MetRx rip off with just a tiny bit more protein (37 grams vs 42).
Phillips had a few products like that starting out. He was good at marketing, but bad at packaging for a few years. He liked bland colors, plainer packaging, and selling barrels, when people were digging the packets more.
I drank strawberry Phosphagain 2 one time in high school. I literally thought I was on deca!
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Phosphagen HP was the original Kool-Aid-style creatine supplement. That's why loading was never an issue. The stuff was YUMMY!!
I remember being so happy when it came out because I didn't have to bother finding grape juice, etc..... And I could dump it in with Designer protein and it would taste ok.
Was never a Cell Tech guy unless I could get it cheap. Our GNC always bought more of the citrus flavor that I found hash.
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I drank strawberry Phosphagain 2 one time in high school. I literally thought I was on deca!
Ha, I remember being so pissed that I couldn't afford HMB. I also remember me and a buddy looking at this cover -
(https://musclememory.com/magCovers/mm2k/mm2k051.jpg).
And us thinking, sure the guy is on steroids, but if we bought the EAS stuff, and followed it to the letter, we could maybe get to 80-85% of Danny Hester there. So douchy.
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Connolly used to train at my gym sometimes.
He smelled like shit lol.
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That's what most people did back in the day when they loaded with creatine for the first week. Usually, it was 20-30 grams per day for a week, followed by a maintenance dose of 5 grams per day.
I first used creatine nearly 30 years ago in 1996. It was EAS' Phosphagen HP (Fruit Punch). I took four servings per day (20 grams) for the first 5 days and did one serving afterwards.
If you've never loaded with it before, you'll swear creatine is manna from heaven. I went from 215 to 222 in one week, from 222 to 225 the second week, and 225 to 227 the third week.
Suffice it to say, I've never replicated those results since then. Hence, I refer to creatine as the crack of supplements (reportedly, you get the biggest high the first time you use it).
Yes! That is right! I used it as a teenager. I remember the loading phase now. Shit, that was over 3 decades ago for me. But yeah, I tried as a teen. Don't remember feeling much but do remember the 'loading phase' can't recall the dosages. Haven't used it since unless it is an ingredient in a pre-workout but IIRC creatine was supposed to be taken every day whether you worked out or not and I don't need to take pre-workout 300 mgs of caffeine and DMHA and God knows what else on a day I'm not headed toward the gym.
Now that I think about it though. I think I purchased Kre-Alkalyn at the Arnold Classic expo. This was around the time Flex Wheeler got those shitty tattoos and was marketing himself as 'The Natural Freak' , as naive as I was - even then in my 30's- I was like WTF? There's no way on earth this guy expects us to believe he's natural. Anyway, I digress, I got nothing from Kre-Alkalyn. So it's been awhile since I took it as a stand alone and my memory on the dosages is a little fuzzy. I thought 6 grams was the sweet spot. ;)
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TC Luoma worked for Bill Phillips iirc. Later he started the testosterone weebsite. He said basically the only thing special about Met-Rx was it was the first powder to incorporate misclellar casein. It was and is a good protein, but that's about it. The Met-Rx ads and Muscle Media wrote up the genius Scott Connelly and used the worst photo I've see, it was a just a black smudge, pretty suspicious imo. Connelly later had some brand of protein which claimed to have isolated special fractions from whey that had special effects, I don't know, tough Patrick Arnold seemed to think highly of him and his proteins and he is a pretty solid and smart guy from my experience on the forums. Made the steroids for BALCO and "discovered" DMAA and phenibut which are potent drugs sold as supps.
People said Duchaine said, "HMB feels like Deca" but he was quoting Phillips, and said if it was worthless he would flame him on the internet. Internet was new back then. :D
However, it does appear to "work" to a certain extent but it's unknown if it's a any better than Leucine or if a guy who eats a lot of protein will benefit (same as with BCAA or EAA supps). So it's not a total scam but probably will not do anything noticeable for most. Might be worthwhile if you are sick and losing muscle or coming back from illness. Much later I used to buy the inexpensive powder and mix it in with my EAAs when I took insulin around workouts, figured it wouldn't hurt at least. Some bb pro gurus/coaches still recommend it to clients.
Cell-Tech "worked" in that you were also carb loading at the same time as you were taking creatine. Plus you had the extra sodium.
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I remember being so happy when it came out because I didn't have to bother finding grape juice, etc..... And I could dump it in with Designer protein and it would taste ok.
Was never a Cell Tech guy unless I could get it cheap. Our GNC always bought more of the citrus flavor that I found hash.
When I was in the military, I was getting Cell-Tech left and right. Not only were the 7-lb jugs on clearance for like $20, but because you could use the Gold Card any day of the week at the stores on base, I often got the 7-lb jugs for $16.
And because of the promotion (and just because the clerk wanted to get rid of them), I got all three of those MuscleTech DVDs from the mid-2000s for free, despite paying 80% less for Cell-Tech.
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Ha, I remember being so pissed that I couldn't afford HMB. I also remember me and a buddy looking at this cover -
(https://musclememory.com/magCovers/mm2k/mm2k051.jpg).
And us thinking, sure the guy is on steroids, but if we bought the EAS stuff, and followed it to the letter, we could maybe get to 80-85% of Danny Hester there. So douchy.
Now you can get HMB dirt cheap. And it works well (as do glutamine and the other stuff). It's just that guys like Bill Phillps and Danny Hester were downing HMB capsules like candy, taking six grams a day (24 capsules, since those weak things were 250 mg a piece). And they were taking 20 grams of glutamine a day. Thirty years ago, you needed a second mortgage to use that much of those supplements.
I have that EAS supplement guide from 1997. Those prices were ridiculous.
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Yes! That is right! I used it as a teenager. I remember the loading phase now. Shit, that was over 3 decades ago for me. But yeah, I tried as a teen. Don't remember feeling much but do remember the 'loading phase' can't recall the dosages. Haven't used it since unless it is an ingredient in a pre-workout but IIRC creatine was supposed to be taken every day whether you worked out or not and I don't need to take pre-workout 300 mgs of caffeine and DMHA and God knows what else on a day I'm not headed toward the gym.
Now that I think about it though. I think I purchased Kre-Alkalyn at the Arnold Classic expo. This was around the time Flex Wheeler got those shitty tattoos and was marketing himself as 'The Natural Freak' , as naive as I was - even then in my 30's- I was like WTF? There's no way on earth this guy expects us to believe he's natural. Anyway, I digress, I got nothing from Kre-Alkalyn. So it's been awhile since I took it as a stand alone and my memory on the dosages is a little fuzzy. I thought 6 grams was the sweet spot. ;)
As I said upthread Kre-Alkalyn is just plain creatine monohydrate with a tiny bit of soda ash, iirc, to manipulate PH. The same can be achieved by taking some baking soda with your regular creatine; if Kre-Alkalyn didn't "work" it was because dosage was too low. I thought creatine ethyl ester seemed to work but later it was shown to rapidly turn to useless creatinine in the stomach and therefore supposedly wouldn't do anything. Baking soda/sodium bicarbonate does have some effects that might be beneficial but it has to be taken at at least 4 grams. I used to, still do, take it to control acid reflux and I imagine it does increase performance slightly :D
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TC Luoma worked for Bill Phillips iirc. Later he started the testosterone weebsite. He said basically the only thing special about Met-Rx was it was the first powder to incorporate misclellar casein. It was and is a good protein, but that's about it. The Met-Rx ads and Muscle Media wrote up the genius Scott Connelly and used the worst photo I've see, it was a just a black smudge, pretty suspicious imo. Connelly later had some brand of protein which claimed to have isolated special fractions from whey that had special effects, I don't know, tough Patrick Arnold seemed to think highly of him and his proteins and he is a pretty solid and smart guy from my experience on the forums. Made the steroids for BALCO and "discovered" DMAA and phenibut which are potent drugs sold as supps.
People said Duchaine said, "HMB feels like Deca" but he was quoting Phillips, and said if it was worthless he would flame him on the internet. Internet was new back then. :D
However, it does appear to "work" to a certain extent but it's unknown if it's a any better than Leucine or if a guy who eats a lot of protein will benefit (same as with BCAA or EAA supps). So it's not a total scam but probably will not do anything noticeable for most. Might be worthwhile if you are sick and losing muscle or coming back from illness. Much later I used to buy the inexpensive powder and mix it in with my EAAs when I took insulin around workouts, figured it wouldn't hurt at least. Some bb pro gurus/coaches still recommend it to clients.
Phillips forgot to mention (unless you read his 1997 Supplement Review) that he was taking at least SIX GRAMS of HMB a day. His brand came in 250-mg capsules. So that's at least TWENTY-FOUR capsules a day, which means the big bottle (360 capsules) would last you a whopping TWO WEEKS!!
NFL Hall of Famer, Shannon Sharpe, used to endorse EAS supplements, right around the time the Broncos won those two Super Bowls. So, that really put EAS on the map
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Phillips forgot to mention (unless you read his 1997 Supplement Review) that he was taking at least SIX GRAMS of HMB a day. His brand came in 250-mg capsules. So that's at least TWENTY-FOUR capsules a day, which means the big bottle (360 capsules) would last you a whopping TWO WEEKS!!
NFL Hall of Famer, Shannon Sharpe, used to endorse EAS supplements, right around the time the Broncos won those two Super Bowls. So, that really put EAS on the map
I was putting 10 grams in each of my EAA shakes because it's so cheap now :D I wasn't expecting anything special, just added a baggie of it when buying bulk EAAs. Even if it "works" it's impossible to measure what it did, especially when taking EAAs and taking in lots of protein in general. Another amino Phillips hyped a bit was ornithine alpha ketoglutarate, based on some paper saying it was trialed in illness to boost anabolism. Aminos work, they obviously have biological functions, but how would you measure the effect? I'm taking taurine and acetylcysteine with glycine and acetylglutathione and some other aminos for antioxidant effects, which are proven, which I suspect might be good for me at the moment, but the effect is hard to gauge, it's just hope :D
Here's an example of a drug company selling a supplement with HMB to support wound healing etc.
https://www.juven.com/
Juven® Orange Therapeutic Nutrition Powder
Clinically shown to support wound healing in as little as 2 weeks1,* and help build and maintain lean body mass in 4 weeks2,†
Juven contains a unique blend of key ingredients to help support wound healing.‡ Each packet mixes easily in 8-10 oz of water or juice and contains:
HMB: slows protein breakdown, enhances tissue growth, and stabilizes muscle cell membranes3,4
Arginine: supports blood flow and vasodilation5,6
Glutamine: supports the immune system7
Collagen protein: shown to accelerate the rate of wound healing8,9
Micronutrients zinc and vitamins C, E, and B12: all important in the wound healing process
*In healthy elderly adults.
†In patients with cancer cachexia.
‡With HMB, arginine, glutamine, collage protein, and micronutrients.
References: 1. Williams JZ, et al. Ann Surg. 2002;236(3):369-375. 2. May PE, et al. Am J Surg. 2002;183:471-479. 3. Wilson GJ, et al. Nutr Metab. 2008;5:1. 4. Nissen SL, et al. J Nutr]
I wouldn't say stuff like this is "proven" to actually work like advertised, even with a clinical study, more like there's indications it might be helpful 8)
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I was putting 10 grams in each of my EAA shakes because it's so cheap now :D I wasn't expecting anything special, just added a baggie of it when buying bulk EAAs. Even if it "works" it's impossible to measure what it did, especially when taking EAAs and taking in lots of protein in general. Another amino Phillips hyped a bit was ornithine alpha ketoglutarate, based on some paper saying it was trialed in illness to boost anabolism. Aminos work, they obviously have biological functions, but how would you measure the effect? I'm taking taurine and acetylcysteine with glycine and acetylglutathione and some other aminos for antioxidant effects, which are proven, which I suspect might be good for me at the moment, but the effect is hard to gauge, it's just hope :D
Here's an example of a drug company selling a supplement with HMB to support wound healing etc.
https://www.juven.com/
I wouldn't say stuff like this is "proven" to actually work like advertised, even with a clinical study, more like there's indications it might be helpful 8)
I've used Juven before, when it was on clearance for $7 at a local store. It works well. But, it's more economical to buy its component ingredients: HMB, arginine, and glutamine. Plus, you can make it a bit stronger: 3 grams HMB, 5 grams arginine, and 10 grams glutamine vs. 1.5, 5, and 7 grams respectively as found in Juven.
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I've used Juven before, when it was on clearance for $7 at a local store. It works well. But, it's more economical to buy its component ingredients: HMB, arginine, and glutamine. Plus, you can make it a bit stronger: 3 grams HMB, 5 grams arginine, and 10 grams glutamine vs. 1.5, 5, and 7 grams respectively as found in Juven.
Where do you buy your HMB - glutamine and arginine ?
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I've used Juven before, when it was on clearance for $7 at a local store. It works well. But, it's more economical to buy its component ingredients: HMB, arginine, and glutamine. Plus, you can make it a bit stronger: 3 grams HMB, 5 grams arginine, and 10 grams glutamine vs. 1.5, 5, and 7 grams respectively as found in Juven.
Yes little reason to buy brand name products nowadays when you can get all the components much more cheaply separately. Lots of brands use ineffective amounts in their products as well. The biggest bitch with supplements is the amount of fraud going on, a lot of times you don't know what you're getting.
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Phillips forgot to mention (unless you read his 1997 Supplement Review) that he was taking at least SIX GRAMS of HMB a day. His brand came in 250-mg capsules. So that's at least TWENTY-FOUR capsules a day, which means the big bottle (360 capsules) would last you a whopping TWO WEEKS!!
NFL Hall of Famer, Shannon Sharpe, used to endorse EAS supplements, right around the time the Broncos won those two Super Bowls. So, that really put EAS on the map
It really irritated the NFL that Sharpe and Romanowski wore EAS hats and shirts during interviews when they were not actually endorsed by the NFL.
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Creatine just makes you hold water, that's it. You gain 10-15 lbs the first week (even though you are still eating the same amount of food as usual, daily)
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Creatine just makes you hold water, that's it. You gain 10-15 lbs the first week (even though you are still eating the same amount of food as usual, daily)
Didn't it also turn you gay for a bit? I remember something about an incident at GNC where you fucked a guy or something like that (srs). Might have just been fingers and kissing but you definitely did some shit for free samples.
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Where do you buy your HMB - glutamine and arginine ?
Muscle & Strength, Piping Rock, or, when there are clearance sales, Vitamin Shoppe (in person, not online).
I used to hit Puritan's Pride. But, they suck now. All of their sports nutrition line (Myology) is gone.
Also, here in Orlando, there is a local grocery liquidation (aka "dented can") store that sells items that fall of the truck or are about to expire. That's where I first found Juven.
Creatine just makes you hold water, that's it. You gain 10-15 lbs the first week (even though you are still eating the same amount of food as usual, daily)
The water is in the muscle, as you definitely get a spike in strength.....at least, I did when I loaded with it back in '96.
Again, it was manna from heaven. No over-the-counter supplement, to that point, had ever hit like creatine. Twelve pounds in three weeks and more reps on the bar......It was UNREAL!!!
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Didn't it also turn you gay for a bit? I remember something about an incident at GNC where you fucked a guy or something like that (srs). Might have just been fingers and kissing but you definitely did some shit for free samples.
Bro...
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Shut up pamith
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Creatine just makes you hold water, that's it. You gain 10-15 lbs the first week (even though you are still eating the same amount of food as usual, daily)
That's almost all steroids do for some folks.
Water in the muscle is generally a positive, what's the drawback, you get too muscular looking? :D
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But Creatine “makes you feel young again” 😂
Q: Who believes this crap?
A: Beakdoctor
I would take if I could tolerate it.
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Yes! That is right! I used it as a teenager. I remember the loading phase now. Shit, that was over 3 decades ago for me. But yeah, I tried as a teen. Don't remember feeling much but do remember the 'loading phase' can't recall the dosages. Haven't used it since unless it is an ingredient in a pre-workout but IIRC creatine was supposed to be taken every day whether you worked out or not and I don't need to take pre-workout 300 mgs of caffeine and DMHA and God knows what else on a day I'm not headed toward the gym.
Now that I think about it though. I think I purchased Kre-Alkalyn at the Arnold Classic expo. This was around the time Flex Wheeler got those shitty tattoos and was marketing himself as 'The Natural Freak' , as naive as I was - even then in my 30's- I was like WTF? There's no way on earth this guy expects us to believe he's natural. Anyway, I digress, I got nothing from Kre-Alkalyn. So it's been awhile since I took it as a stand alone and my memory on the dosages is a little fuzzy. I thought 6 grams was the sweet spot. ;)
You're a bit younger than I am. I was in my early 20s when I tried Phosphagen.
As stated earlier, creatine is like crack. The first time you load with it, it's DA BOMB!! But, by the late 2000s, folks were downplaying the need to load with creatine, except (of course) MuscleTech. Products like Kre-Alkalyn were supposed to negate the need for loading yet give similar results.
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Creatine made me younger. Way younger.
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Creatine made me younger. Way younger.
And dumber, way dumber.
It works better if you don't 'load' it up your ass, idiot.
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Creatine is the fountain of youth.
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Regular monohydrate gives me bloats and brutal stomach discomfort .I’m using Kre Alkalyn .I def.do notice difference when on creatine
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Regular monohydrate gives me bloats and brutal stomach discomfort .I’m using Kre Alkalyn .I def.do notice difference when on creatine
Nobody cares
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Nobody cares I’m retard
I do care bro
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Bulk supplements ,,,basic packaging no fluff and just ingredients on package.prices are great too.
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Creatine is the fountain of youth.
It's been marketed as potential for longevity.
No one said it was 'the fountain of youth'
But you've seized upon that reference like an autistic kid seizes on all the blue Legos.
Jesus christ you're pathetically stupid.
How long are you going to keep up with this? Is this your new 'small hands' fetish, or is it your new Paul Graham cum stain obsession, or maybe it will replace your propensity for posting close ups of Arnold's penis? Will this unseat your latest Roseanne Barr craze. Is this the latest addition to your non-stop word salad that you've bombarded the board with for the past two years? Only time will what stupid-ass batshit crazy garbage comes out of the mind of royalty next.
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Anything under 15 grams is a waste. You’re barely tickling your creatine receptors at that point. You need to saturate them with a HOMEWRECKER dose!
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Creatine is the fountain of youth.
Creatine made me younger. Way younger.
A. Creatine 'helps' increase muscles mass. This should be agreed upon even by getbig skeptics.
B. Muscle mass is a key marker in longevity. This should be common knowledge by now.
Now, even the dumbest fucking member to ever grace the board with their remarkable stupidity *should* be able to apply A and B. Though it's very likely he can't.
Furthermore, as an extension of the work done by Matthews and colleagues 68, the Ferrante group 69 showed that lifespan was extended by 9.4, 17.7 and 4.4% when supplemented with 1, 2, or 3% creatine in the diet, respectively 69.Sep 15, 2014
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A review of creatine supplementation in age-related diseases
This is one of the first results in searching online. There's dozens more.
Now, even a total fucking idiot should be able to see this and "get" it. But Royalty is a different breed of idiot.
Fortunately, there are an equal number of studies that show Creatine improves cognition. Wait!! What?! Say that again! Creatine improves cognition???
Holy shit! Jesus, Mary and Joseph! There's hope for Royalty yet! Praise the Lord and pass the Creatine to the blithering idiot. Royalty, though you wander God's green earth as a fool, you don't have to. God has provided you with all the nourishment you need to cure what ales you.
No need to thank me, asshole.
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A. Creatine 'helps' increase muscles mass. This should be agreed upon even by getbig skeptics.
B. Muscle mass is a key marker in longevity. This should be common knowledge by now.
Now, even the dumbest fucking member to ever grace the board with their remarkable stupidity *should* be able to apply A and B. Though it's very likely he can't.
This is one of the first results in searching online. There's dozens more.
Now, even a total fucking idiot should be able to see this and "get" it. But Royalty is a different breed of idiot.
Fortunately, there are an equal number of studies that show Creatine improves cognition. Wait!! What?! Say that again! Creatine improves cognition???
Holy shit! Jesus, Mary and Joseph! There's hope for Royalty yet! Praise the Lord and pass the Creatine to the blithering idiot. Royalty, though you wander God's green earth as a fool, you don't have to. God has provided you with all the nourishment you need to cure what ales you.
No need to thank me, asshole.
That white powder Royalty is sniffing is not creatine.
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A. Creatine 'helps' increase muscles mass. This should be agreed upon even by getbig skeptics.
B. Muscle mass is a key marker in longevity. This should be common knowledge by now.
Now, even the dumbest fucking member to ever grace the board with their remarkable stupidity *should* be able to apply A and B. Though it's very likely he can't.
This is one of the first results in searching online. There's dozens more.
Now, even a total fucking idiot should be able to see this and "get" it. But Royalty is a different breed of idiot.
Fortunately, there are an equal number of studies that show Creatine improves cognition. Wait!! What?! Say that again! Creatine improves cognition???
Holy shit! Jesus, Mary and Joseph! There's hope for Royalty yet! Praise the Lord and pass the Creatine to the blithering idiot. Royalty, though you wander God's green earth as a fool, you don't have to. God has provided you with all the nourishment you need to cure what ales you.
No need to thank me, asshole.
On sites like reddit many users swear they notice cognitive effects from creatine, whether that is placebo is hard to say. I don't doubt at all that creatine is involved is involved in cognition but anecdotes are almost meaningless to most "scientists." I try to tell docs about certain sides or effects of drugs or even supps and they are often very skeptical and don't want to hear it, they only trust placebo controlled "gold standard" level studies :D
But those can't be trusted either, see how drug studies are later oftentimes thought lacking. They say science evolves all the time and data keeps piling up and the conclusions become more and more robust lol. This is sort of OT but I thought it noteworthy for example how in my lifetime opinions on antidepressant have shifted 180 degrees several times. First they worked, then 10 years later it was reevaluated and it appeared as though they didn't work any better than placebo, yet another 10 years later they obviously worked again. One head of a University hospital here laughed about it and said the science gets better and better with more datasets and you can trust it more and more as time goes on but maybe in another 10 years we have to steer the ship in another direction again :D
A number of years ago a friend asked me if creatine would make him lose his hair. I hadn't kept up with the research but learned that creatine would increase DHT somewhat. I still said it's unlikely by my reading :D
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Creatine made me younger. Way younger.
Bro...
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Creatine made me younger poorer. Way younger poorer.
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Yes, 15 cents per serving has bankrupted many.
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Yes, 15 cents per serving has bankrupted many.
Which means for only 15 cents a day you can sponsor a weight lifter to give them the valuable nutrient they need.
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Your thoughts on this. Trainer has been upping his dosage of creatine to 15G's per day and says its boosted his performance and says he feels younger. He says he has a very active lifestyle and feels that someone less active may not benefit. Would think he would bloaten up or look fat.
https://www.mensfitness.com/news/dan-go-max-dosing-creatine?utm_medium=email&utm_source=iterable&utm_source=mensfitness_newsletter&utm_campaign=mensfitness&utm_content=1739466056318
I think this is what Mike Ashley did when he competed as a natural.
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Yes little reason to buy brand name products nowadays when you can get all the components much more cheaply separately. Lots of brands use ineffective amounts in their products as well. The biggest bitch with supplements is the amount of fraud going on, a lot of times you don't know what you're getting.
AKA "Proprietary Blends", usually with some cuckoo pseudo-scientific name. There are a handful of proprietary blends that actually list the quantity of each ingredient.
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AKA "Proprietary Blends", usually with some cuckoo pseudo-scientific name. There are a handful of proprietary blends that actually list the quantity of each ingredient.
Exactly, I was going to mention the proprietary blends too. The reason given for using them is that other companies can't steal your fantastic formula but it's just an excuse for pixie dusting the expensive ingredients. Though I think they still have to list the ingredients 'in order of appearance' so to speak, highest first so you can get somewhat of a clue. Most outrageous example of a 'patented extract' I saw is an astragalus extract with supposed life extension benefits. It's an inexpensive herb but this one brand sells a few mg for like a thousand bucks a bottle without even telling you what it's standardized for.