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lol @all those asstwats toying around with 25 pds dumbbells on side laterals wondering why their shoulders won't grow :D
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lol@
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lol@
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Great voices.
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lol @all those asstwats toying around with 25 pds dumbbells on side laterals wondering why their shoulders won't grow :D
Affag pretending that he/she/it actually lifts!
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;D
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Geez just shave the shit off. Terrible hair line, he has to be a hat wearer. No way he keeps that head of hair without a hat. Probably likes the look of having hair that gives him.
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Geez just shave the shit off. Terrible hair line, he has to be a hat wearer. No way he keeps that head of hair without a hat. Probably likes the look of having hair that gives him.
That hairstyle is called U turn
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Lee Haney claimed he went no heavier than 35s for laterals. But, that's of course, after doing barbell shoulder presses.
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John the bull was some strong. That is very impressive there.
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John the bull was some strong. That is very impressive there.
Jimmy
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peak contraction
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John the bull was some strong. That is very impressive there.
U know they were using fake plates and dumbbells for those type of Flex shootings, aight? ::)
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U know they were using fake plates and dumbbells for those type of Flex shootings, aight? ::)
Not for Pellechia. Guy was very strong.
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Jimmy
I could swear it was Jack.
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Lee Haney claimed he went no heavier than 35s for laterals. But, that's of course, after doing barbell shoulder presses.
What does he know about training..
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What does he know about training..
"Stimulate don't annihilate." 8)
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Amazing how they have avoided severe shoulder damage so far. You use your shoulders for practically every movement you make. Ruins your life if you ruin them.
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hahaha compare his style of training with this twink right behind him doing side laterals with some women dumbbells @ 3:35 ;D
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Geez just shave the shit off. Terrible hair line, he has to be a hat wearer. No way he keeps that head of hair without a hat. Probably likes the look of having hair that gives him.
Why? He’s not insecure about his appearance. Maybe you could learn from him in that regard.
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Why? He’s not insecure about his appearance. Maybe you could learn from him in that regard.
the shaved look is better ..haven´t been to a Hair Salon in years :D
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Why? He’s not insecure about his appearance. Maybe you could learn from him in that regard.
You’re right. I’ll go put my nose in the corner and suck my thumb for my insolence.
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Not for Pellechia. Guy was very strong.
Yeah, Jimmy was insanely strong. I mean, don’t give me wrong. He was doing half reps with a lot of his stuff. But some of the weights he was moving was just stupid.
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Who cares. He will never win the Mr. Olympia and likely will be for forgotten about in the bodybuilding world.
No one cares how he trains.
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Who cares. He will never win the Mr. Olympia and likely will be for forgotten about in the bodybuilding world.
No one cares how he trains.
Affeman cares!
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What’s the point of him doing 130LB side raises when he plans to load the delts with site injections
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Yeah, Jimmy was insanely strong. I mean, don’t give me wrong. He was doing half reps with a lot of his stuff. But some of the weights he was moving was just stupid.
I'm amazed he's still alive. I would have figured a stroke, heart attack or gym mishap would have killed him by now.
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Weakest joint in the body because of all the degrees of freedom. So lets cantilever load it while swinging heavy weights. What could possibly go wrong?
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Yeah, Jimmy was insanely strong. I mean, don’t give me wrong. He was doing half reps with a lot of his stuff. But some of the weights he was moving was just stupid.
There is not too many people who can lift a 150 pound dumbbell abducted to 90 degrees.
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What does he know about training..
NPC National Champion, Mr. Universe, 8x Mr. Olympia, trainer of world heavyweight boxing champ, Evander Holyfield..........I think he knows a little something.
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NPC National Champion, Mr. Universe, 8x Mr. Olympia, trainer of world heavyweight boxing champ, Evander Holyfield..........I think he knows a little something.
I was being sarcastic to OP.
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NPC National Champion, Mr. Universe, 8x Mr. Olympia, trainer of world heavyweight boxing champ, Evander Holyfield..........I think he knows a little something.
Lee Haney at his best looks like a f*ing swimmer next to today's Pro BB, your argument is a brutal backfire.
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Haney would smoke that fool
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Haney would smoke that fool
lol dude wasn't even in shape, his glutes and hams looked like they were out of pudding. Barely 250 on stage soaking wet, not comparable to today's standards, probably because he trained like a f*cking p*ssy.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Haney 91 Olympia blows him away.
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Haney 91 Olympia blows him away.
the guy has a back like a middleweight
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Lee Haney at his best looks like a f*ing swimmer next to today's Pro BB, your argument is a brutal backfire.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrgntufIZRpn8IsEUjevI56W4CboPXbyj_1gtYnuKaZyJODdgXgT5cfEjhgPdow8kZ026o53KZ6CRdYaMGt9EfBQ) (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oIODFSQgQKc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Not really. You actually own yourself.
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Haney 91 Olympia blows him away.
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Best way to build the shoulders, and the safest. Seated military barbell press to the front. This nails the front and side of the belts.
For real delts, standing one arm dumbell high row similar to starting a lawn mower yet higher elbow.
Just place your opposing hand on your rear delt when performed to feel the contraction.
Laterals are a waste of time as is rope pulls and upright rows.
Imho
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Lee Haney at his best looks like a f*ing swimmer next to today's Pro BB, your argument is a brutal backfire.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrgntufIZRpn8IsEUjevI56W4CboPXbyj_1gtYnuKaZyJODdgXgT5cfEjhgPdow8kZ026o53KZ6CRdYaMGt9EfBQ) (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oIODFSQgQKc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Today's bodybuilding pros look like dog shit compared to Haney or anybody from Haneys era for that matter.
They have nothing but big blocky mass nothing appealing nor esthetic in their builds
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The only way I’ve seen people get cannonball delts is with tren or anavar. Had a buddy take just anavar and his shoulders went crazy, on test and deca didn’t happen. And everyone I know who takes tren has those shoulders. But I think genetics is the most important fact for anything to work. I do laterals like crazy and rear delt like crazy, my shoulders are big but not round.
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Lee Haney at his best looks like a f*ing swimmer next to today's Pro BB, your argument is a brutal backfire.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrgntufIZRpn8IsEUjevI56W4CboPXbyj_1gtYnuKaZyJODdgXgT5cfEjhgPdow8kZ026o53KZ6CRdYaMGt9EfBQ) (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oIODFSQgQKc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Ah! The whole comparing one guy in contest shape to another in off-season (or half-way through contest prep) trick!!!
And, since so many people think bodybuilding is "all drugs", what do you think Haney would look like, using the anabolics (especially in quantity) that today's pro BB does?
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Best way to build the shoulders, and the safest. Seated military barbell press to the front. This nails the front and side of the belts.
For real delts, standing one arm dumbell high row similar to starting a lawn mower yet higher elbow.
Just place your opposing hand on your rear delt when performed to feel the contraction.
Laterals are a waste of time as is rope pulls and upright rows.
Imho
Laterals are amazing deltoid mass gainer.
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The only way I’ve seen people get cannonball delts is with tren or anavar. Had a buddy take just anavar and his shoulders went crazy, on test and deca didn’t happen. And everyone I know who takes tren has those shoulders.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner
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Laterals are amazing deltoid mass gainer.
only excercise you need for delts directly
Your delts get loads of work when pressing.
Oh, and no overhead pressing, your shoulders are not designed for that
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only excercise you need for delts directly
Your delts get loads of work when pressing.
Oh, and no overhead pressing, your shoulders are not designed for that
a lot of old school bodybuilders went over the score with pressing exercises & like Frank Zane needed new shoulders later on, however having said that i like the standing barbell press.
Incline Barbell press hits the front & side delts very well although i know your Guru Doug Brignole didn´t approve of them.
Nowadays i do more Incline Barbell presses than flat so for delts i use more lateral raises with DBs or cables
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Aside from the obvious, The Drugged delt look, On a training standpoint, I like to do every couple of workouts are run the rack delt raises that really pops the hell out of shoulders .
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a lot of old school bodybuilders went over the score with pressing exercises & like Frank Zane needed new shoulders later on, however having said that i like the standing barbell press.
Incline Barbell press hits the front & side delts very well although i know your Guru Doug Brignole didn´t approve of them.
Nowadays i do more Incline Barbell presses than flat so for delts i use more lateral raises with DBs or cables
they work your delts way more than your pecs
Declines ,dips, cables are the only way to go for pecs
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only excercise you need for delts directly
Your delts get loads of work when pressing.
Oh, and no overhead pressing, your shoulders are not designed for that
Overheas pressing is great, of course cavemen pressed things overhead.
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they work your delts way more than your pecs
Declines ,dips, cables are the only way to go for pecs
I get good results from incline BB presses but not a high angle like in most gyms.
I use at most 30 Degrees which hits it all ( for me )
I agree parallel bar dips are a great exercise
i know you´ve wrote on here before the bicep only curls or the triceps only extend.. why would the pecs be different?
the whole pec fires & you use this theory for other muscle groups
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I get good results from incline BB presses but not a high angle like in most gyms.
I use at most 30 Degrees which hits it all ( for me )
I agree parallel bar dips are a great exercise
i know you´ve wrote on here before the bicep only curls or the triceps only extend.. why would the pecs be different?
the whole pec fires & you use this theory for other muscle groups
put your hand on your pec and depress the pec and now make a pressing movement out to the front
Now do the same thing and press down towards your waist.
Now, which one contracts the pec the most?
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put your hand on your pec and depress the pec and now make a pressing movement out to the front
Now do the same thing and press down towards your waist.
Now, which one contracts the pec the most?
yes i´ve heard all this before, what´s your opinion on the press to neck?
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yes i´ve heard all this before, what´s your opinion on the press to neck?
then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?
I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts
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then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?
I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts
If I am doing flyes with a lighter weight,at the top if I turn my palms in towards each other,I get a good contraction........well decent at least.
I did heavy flyes as a rule.....I like them but I do agree that the bottom stretched position is where the tension occurs.
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then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?
I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts
watch Serge Nubret or Sergio Oliva pressing ;)
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The only way I’ve seen people get cannonball delts is with tren or anavar. Had a buddy take just anavar and his shoulders went crazy, on test and deca didn’t happen. And everyone I know who takes tren has those shoulders. But I think genetics is the most important fact for anything to work. I do laterals like crazy and rear delt like crazy, my shoulders are big but not round.
I don't quite understand this fascination with Anavar.
Anavar was in the old daze considered an anabolic which provided somewhat mild strength gains but little in the way of size.
What am I missing?
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watch Serge Nubret or Sergio Oliva pressing ;)
just watched his video
He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS
he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs
Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle
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just watched his video
He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS
he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs
Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle
yeah guess he had shit pecs :D
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Sergio was one of the thickest Bodybuilders..top to bottom.
Lats, pecs, legs
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Serge had one of the best chests ever :) notice the pattern here ?
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Serge had one of the best chests ever :) notice the pattern here ?
yes, genetics and muscle tie ins
Take someone with shit genetics and give them a great chest
Why doesnt Nick Walker have pecs like Arnold?
Maybe its the wrong excercises.
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yes, genetics and muscle tie ins
Take someone with shit genetics and give them a great chest
Why doesnt Nick Walker have pecs like Arnold?
Maybe its the wrong excercises.
so with the right exercises we can all have a great chest? even with shit genetics?
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so with the right exercises we can all have a great chest? even with shit genetics?
no, thats my point...
The only way to maximise your potential is to do excercises that work the muscle through its fullest range of motion under tension.
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no, thats my point...
The only way to maximise your potential is to do excercises that work the muscle through its fullest range of motion under tension.
so everyone should follow your advice which is from Doug Brignole?
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so everyone should follow your advice which is from Doug Brignole?
its science and human biology
It would be illogical to do anything else
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its science and human biology
It would be illogical to do anything else
Human biology?
In a ric drasin video he admits it's only his theory on bio mechanics based on basic mathematics but it's not carved in stone for everyone
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I don't quite understand this fascination with Anavar.
Anavar was in the old daze considered an anabolic which provided somewhat mild strength gains but little in the way of size.
What am I missing?
Real pharma grade anavar is insane.
Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.
Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.
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Human biology?
In a ric drasin video he admits it's only his theory on bio mechanics based on basic mathematics but it's not carved in stone for everyone
thats where he and I differ ;D
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thats where he and I differ ;D
This is the fun josSwift,,, The normal good-natured version lol who likes to mix it up and speak his mind not the dagger, throwing Colombo investigating version that challenges b hanks here add nausea him every day
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Real pharma grade anavar is insane.
Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.
Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.
Thanks for the response robc.
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This is the fun josSwift,,, The normal good-natured version lol who likes to mix it up and speak his mind not the dagger, throwing Colombo investigating version that challenges Behance here add nausea him every day
kuntins brings out the worst in me ;D
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I saw some monkeys doing behind neck presses at the zoo recently.
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I saw some monkeys doing behind neck presses at the zoo recently.
thats why they havent evolved...
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thats why they havent evolved...
Exactly,they should be doing Barbell Inclines ! ;D
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Real pharma grade anavar is insane.
Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.
Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.
There is real Anavar on the black market for sure but you are right it's often hard to know if your product is good unless you send it in for testing. One point I'd like to make. I don't know what HRT service you use but ironically most clinics use "black market" oxandrolone from China and have them compounded by a "legit" compounding pharmacy. If you think abour it, what US API producer would sell to an operation prescribing it for "HRT," they wouldn't take a risk like that. Some clinics prescribe oral steroids which have no legit source so it's obviously Chinese. But it can be good stuff regardless. Today the "pharma" term is a bit ambiguous, like all the Chinese growth would qualify as pharma quality as it's more than 96% pure.
On forums noncompetitors have been known to use up to 150-200mg of Anavar, it's insane, 100mg seems to be a dose no one bats an eye at, average.
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Regarding chest exercises or any exercises, some say this or that movement works the best for me, but imho most of us, and very much myself, aren't gaining shit, as in all new muscle, so it's hard to say which exercise actually works for us, we tend to choose the exercises we just like to do the most, which "feel" best. I will say benches to the neck felt like they worked the chest the most brutally, unfortunately I destroyed my pec doing them, in retrospect I wouldn't load chest with elbows out presses :D :o
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just watched his video
He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS
he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs
Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle
Its a humeral adductor and flexor at the shoulder joint. Its fan shaped so it will fire in all degrees of adduction. There may be more activation of sternal head when the weight is moving more inferiorly (i.e. hand moving more down towards the waist rather than perpendicular to the sternum)...but to say its a downward pressing muscle is inaccurate.
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Bhanky says he developed his massive pecs doing pushups in wrestling practice.
Is there anything else you'd like to know?
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Its a humeral adductor and flexor at the shoulder joint. Its fan shaped so it will fire in all degrees of adduction. There may be more activation of sternal head when the weight is moving more inferiorly (i.e. hand moving more down towards the waist rather than perpendicular to the sternum)...but to say its a downward pressing muscle is inaccurate.
if you stand up and push your hand out at a 45 degree angle the pec activates but does not contract full.
If you push your hand down towards your waist it contracts full, it literally couldnt contract any more.
The pectroal evolved to enable us to climb over things by allowing us to move through rough terrain
Just look how any bodybuilder flexes their pecs
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I have no idea why anyone would question it unless they havent tried the pec flex method I keep advocating
Once you do that and see how much more tension is put on the pecs and how contracted it gets its blatantly obvious
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if you stand up and push your hand out at a 45 degree angle the pec activates but does not contract full.
If you push your hand down towards your waist it contracts full, it literally couldnt contract any more.
The pectroal evolved to enable us to climb over things by allowing us to move through rough terrain
evolved? like it wasn't there and then suddenly we had it? what is it, the magic extra muscle of hankins? FFS the muscle fibers fan out. i pointed out the action of the muscle. Doing the 'no weight' test you advocating is flawed. When under load and the arm needs to adduct, the pec will be involved. By your comment, doing a push down should be all we need to do in order to "fully work" the pecs.
Just look how any bodybuilder flexes their pecs
Again, a very flawed example. The hands together there is resistance to adducting the humerus. They hold them like that because they are showing the muscle. Thats all! Try this....stand to the left of a door frame, right hand down towards your waist, palm facing in against the frame. Now press hard and move the arm up the frame. The ONLY time there will be a reduction in the pec (sternal) contraction is when the hand is above the shoulder and more of the clavicular portion will be involved.
I have no idea why anyone would question it unless they havent tried the pec flex method I keep advocating
The pec flexing method? sort of like a weider bullshit principle? When looking at the origin and insertion of a muscle, you can see how it will contract. Now, if it is prime mover in a movement is a different subject. Don't believe that? The bicep is NOT a prime mover in shoulder flexion, yet that is one of its actions. Why some people develop better pecs through one exercise or another can be attributed to things like mechanical , neurological, and anatomical issues
Once you do that and see how much more tension is put on the pecs and how contracted it gets its blatantly obvious
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Exactly,they should be doing Barbell Inclines ! ;D
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compare Doug to Sergio... ´nough said... :D
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compare Doug to Sergio... ´nough said... :D
Check the age on him in that pic. There is a definite correlation between the "fullness" of pec in younger trainees vs. older (50+). Its almost like the upper part of the sternal fibers begin to atrophy the older someone gets. It gives the appearance of the 'droopy' pecs or more flat appearance in the so-called "upper chest". Only reasonable explanation may be that the older a trainee gets...the more beat up their shoulders become and they can't do same pressing (esp down to waist) that they could and the pec isn't as stimulated.
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Check the age on him in that pic. There is a definite correlation between the "fullness" of pec in younger trainees vs. older (50+). Its almost like the upper part of the sternal fibers begin to atrophy the older someone gets. It gives the appearance of the 'droopy' pecs or more flat appearance in the so-called "upper chest". Only reasonable explanation may be that the older a trainee gets...the more beat up their shoulders become and they can't do same pressing (esp down to waist) that they could and the pec isn't as stimulated.
very true but even in pictures of a young Doug Brignole he never had that thick upper chest that incline work gives.
I think incline work is more important as we age for the reasons you wrote.
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very true but even in pictures of a young Doug Brignole he never had that thick upper chest that incline work gives.
I think incline work is more important as we age for the reasons you wrote.
I would disagree about the incline though. The "upper chest" fiber direction is more for pressing below that perpendicular line from sternum. Its probably more-so that not enough of the 'decline' benching isn't done.
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evolved from Apes....
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evolved from Apes....
Absolutely incorrect. We share a common ancestor. Hope that helps.
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Great post but you are wasting your time. Jeffrey doesn’t think humans have any reason to lift things overhead, either. His understanding of human function is, shall we say, limited.
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I would disagree about the incline though. The "upper chest" fiber direction is more for pressing below that perpendicular line from sternum. Its probably more-so that not enough of the 'decline' benching isn't done.
I can only say that i´ve very good results from incline flyes & Barbell press.
I do like Dips though & i know the arguments about fibers..etc
still i think it depends on the individuell
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I can only say that i´ve very good results from incline flyes & Barbell press.
I do like Dips though & i know the arguments about fibers..etc
still i think it depends on the individuell
some people are born with more than others.
If hyperplasia occured then why do people shirnk back down to their previous size once they stop training?
You think with all the additional fibre growth they would be bigger.
Its the same way people blow back up again after they start training after a lay off, its the muscles expanding back to their previously stretched size
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some people are born with more than others.
If hyperplasia occured then why do people shirnk back down to their previous size once they stop training?
You think with all the additional fibre growth they would be bigger.
Its the same way people blow back up again after they start training after a lay off, its the muscles expanding back to their previously stretched size
If doug Brignole was so correct why then was his chest weak in thickness especially in the upper regions all his life?
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If doug Brignole was so correct why then was his chest weak in thickness especially in the upper regions all his life?
he stretched and expanded his pecs to his full potential...
If hyperplasia was a thing then maybe he could have developed them further.
Same way Larry Scott never had biceps like Albert Beckles.
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he stretched and expanded his pecs to his full potential...
:D
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Absolutely incorrect. We share a common ancestor. Hope that helps.
Is Bhanky proof of this theory?
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Great post but you are wasting your time. Jeffrey doesn’t think humans have any reason to lift things overhead, either. His understanding of human function is, shall we say, limited.
we used to be on all fours
Do dogs lift things over their head?
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it's more about the drugs than a certain exercise
golden era bb'ers didn't really have huge cannon ball delts. Mostly from the 90's and on.
Levrone had huge round delts and he did light side laterals but heavy presses.
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it's more about the drugs than a certain exercise
golden era bb'ers didn't really have huge cannon ball delts. Mostly from the 90's and on.
Levrone had huge round delts and he did light side laterals but heavy presses.
His Press behind neck was insane
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His Press behind neck was insane
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we used to be on all fours
Do dogs lift things over their head?
yes but cave man had to throw a spear to kill a Mammoth which involves upper pecs & shoulders.
I doubt very much cave man stood over a Mammoth thrusting downwards :)
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he was a beast in that exercise & benches
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His Press behind neck was insane
Levrones pressing videos from the 90's/early 00's are great motivators still
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Levrones pressing videos from the 90's/early 00's are great motivators still
yes one of my favourites
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yes but cave man had to throw a spear to kill a Mammoth which involves upper pecs & shoulders.
I doubt very much cave man stood over a Mammoth thrusting downwards :)
To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pikes, not throwing spears, researchers say. UC Berkeley archeologists say the findings might help resolve the debate about Clovis points and reshape how we think about hunting some 13,000 years ago.
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OK how did cave man paint in caves overhead & showing pictures of hunting the mammoth in groups as animals do trapping & throwing spears :)
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OK how did cave man paint in caves overhead & showing pictures of hunting the mammoth in groups as animals do trapping & throwing spears :)
same way they drew spaceships with aliens climbing out
A fertile imagination...
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same way they drew spaceships with aliens climbing out
A fertile imagination...
as was Doug´s upper pecs
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as was Doug´s upper pecs
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evolved from Apes....
Show me where they compared the muscle from the 'apes' back then to human of today. I'll wait
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If doug Brignole was so correct why then was his chest weak in thickness especially in the upper regions all his life?
Maybe not enough pressing down to the waist
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we used to be on all fours
Do dogs lift things over their head?
Do dogs leg press? Do they put a bar on their back and squat? Do they don a thong for war in front of "adoring fans"
Geezus, your counterpoints are getting worse and worse
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evolved from Apes Aliens....
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Do dogs leg press? Doggy style is best :D
:D
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Do dogs leg press? Do they put a bar on their back and squat? Do they don a thong for war in front of "adoring fans"
Geezus, your counterpoints are getting worse and worse
no, they are not ego driven stupid twats like human beings
Why the fuck would any other animal do anything apart from hunt kill and eat...
Lifting weights is the stupidest thing anyone could do, and yes, I know I have done it most of my life
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no, they are not ego driven stupid twats like human beings
Why the fuck would any other animal do anything apart from hunt kill and eat...
Lifting weights is the stupidest thing anyone could do, and yes, I know I have done it most of my life
Joe keep control of your feelings. :D
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they work your delts way more than your pecs
Declines ,dips, cables are the only way to go for pecs
This may sound weird, I have a bad lower back and the motion of dips while I’m hanging will tweak it sometimes. It’s like a shock goes through, not that it leaves me fucked up afterwards like when I get jammed up squatting or hyperextensions.
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This may sound weird, I have a bad lower back and the motion of dips while I’m hanging will tweak it sometimes. It’s like a shock goes through, not that it leaves me fucked up afterwards like when I get jammed up squatting or hyperextensions.
most low back spasams are caused by tension in the quads hams and glutes
Maybe its crossing your feet or tucking up your legs thats causing it
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This may sound weird, I have a bad lower back and the motion of dips while I’m hanging will tweak it sometimes. It’s like a shock goes through, not that it leaves me fucked up afterwards like when I get jammed up squatting or hyperextensions.
do you have Lordosis ?
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His Press behind neck was insane
So was his Anadrol down the neck.
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no, they are not ego driven stupid twats like human beings
Why the fuck would any other animal do anything apart from hunt kill and eat...
Lifting weights is the stupidest thing anyone could do, and yes, I know I have done it most of my life
Yet you used them in an example to make your point.
Also, it would safe to say that what you eat is FAR from what the caveman did. Not sure they had dat der cell tech back then
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most low back spasams are caused by tension in the quads hams and glutes
Maybe its crossing your feet or tucking up your legs thats causing it
Most low back "spasms" aren't spasms at all.
Ridiculous comment regardless. Is this where you go on about how disc issues don't cause pain in the back? Its like a patient I have that went to a provider who said the problem with her low back was due to her flat feet...and she should get orthotics. Never mind the 9mm inferiorly EXTRUDED disc and associated severe foraminal stenosis. Nawwww just have her pay $300 for foot bullshit and let that myelopathy continue
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no, they are not ego driven stupid twats like human beings
Why the fuck would any other animal do anything apart from hunt kill and eat...
Lifting weights is the stupidest thing anyone could do, and yes, I know I have done it most of my life
Agree. At this point in my life, if i want to feel good, i have to skip weight training and stick to swimming.
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do you have Lordosis ?
You SHOULD have a lordosis in the lower back AND neck. Its a kyphosis in the thoracic region.
45 - 55deg for lumbar region.
Multiple factors can contribute to the 'jamming up' with dips. Now, if he is hyperextending with the concentric...even the dip belt causing focal pressure on the low back. If someone were to have a grade 1 or 2 spondy....the weight belt pressure on dips may cause the vertebra to be pushed further forward
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Most low back "spasms" aren't spasms at all.
Ridiculous comment regardless. Is this where you go on about how disc issues don't cause pain in the back? Its like a patient I have that went to a provider who said the problem with her low back was due to her flat feet...and she should get orthotics. Never mind the 9mm inferiorly EXTRUDED disc and associated severe foraminal stenosis. Nawwww just have her pay $300 for foot bullshit and let that myelopathy continue
Sorry to butt in, but I finally got results from an MRI regarding my upper back pain (complained about it at the docs like 18 months ago! Socialized medicine). "No disc herniation but possible issue with bone marrow, sent referral to orthopedist" (just text message, didn't speak to doc). It still hurts the same as when the pain first appeared. What does this mean with the bone marrow? :)
Kai Greene did dips for traps. Any reason to do dips for traps?
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Sorry to butt in, but I finally got results from an MRI regarding my upper back pain (complained about it at the docs like 18 months ago! Socialized medicine). "No disc herniation but possible issue with bone marrow, sent referral to orthopedist" (just text message, didn't speak to doc). It still hurts the same as when the pain first appeared. What does this mean with the bone marrow? :)
Kai Greene did dips for traps. Any reason to do dips for traps?
Disc issues in thoracic region are somewhat uncommon. Facet arthrosis and endplate osteophytes are very common.
Is your doc talking about a hemangioma? Otherwise certain infections can cause the reactive bone marrow signal on MRI
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Sorry to butt in, but I finally got results from an MRI regarding my upper back pain (complained about it at the docs like 18 months ago! Socialized medicine). "No disc herniation but possible issue with bone marrow, sent referral to orthopedist" (just text message, didn't speak to doc). It still hurts the same as when the pain first appeared. What does this mean with the bone marrow? :)
Kai Greene did dips for traps. Any reason to do dips for traps?
Don't believe anything that gay says.
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Most low back "spasms" aren't spasms at all.
Ridiculous comment regardless. Is this where you go on about how disc issues don't cause pain in the back? Its like a patient I have that went to a provider who said the problem with her low back was due to her flat feet...and she should get orthotics. Never mind the 9mm inferiorly EXTRUDED disc and associated severe foraminal stenosis. Nawwww just have her pay $300 for foot bullshit and let that myelopathy continue
I have two protruding discs (L4 and L5) and one somewhere in my thorasic region.
I used to get back spasms all the time but since I have had blading done to release all the tension in my hams and quads I hardly have any at all, in fact I dont want to jinx myself saying too much.
Not sure how familiar you are with kinetic therapy but I have been to chiropractors for over 35 years with my low back...all they seem to do is manipulate your skeleton by cracking joints.
Reality is my problem wasnt my discs it was the fascial adhesion and scar tissue.
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Sorry to butt in, but I finally got results from an MRI regarding my upper back pain (complained about it at the docs like 18 months ago! Socialized medicine). "No disc herniation but possible issue with bone marrow, sent referral to orthopedist" (just text message, didn't speak to doc). It still hurts the same as when the pain first appeared. What does this mean with the bone marrow? :)
Kai Greene did dips for traps. Any reason to do dips for traps?
Had pain in the rhomboid area, that was caused by a herniated disk in the neck. Between C7 and T1. After fix, it went away.
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Disc issues in thoracic region are somewhat uncommon. Facet arthrosis and endplate osteophytes are very common.
Is your doc talking about a hemangioma? Otherwise certain infections can cause the reactive bone marrow signal on MRI
Are you a Chiro or are you a orthopedic doctor?
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I have two protruding discs (L4 and L5) and one somewhere in my thorasic region.
I used to get back spasms all the time but since I have had blading done to release all the tension in my hams and quads I hardly have any at all, in fact I dont want to jinx myself saying too much.
Not sure how familiar you are with kinetic therapy but I have been to chiropractors for over 35 years with my low back...all they seem to do is manipulate your skeleton by cracking joints.
Reality is my problem wasnt my discs it was the fascial adhesion and scar tissue.
While the blading has merit, there is irrefutable evidence of cytokines produces with disc damage. Those same cytokines are DIRECTLY linked to stimulation of pain receptors (type c delta I believe). This in turn can contribute to the muscle guarding (sometimes thought to be spasms) as well as the true spasm. Those same cytokines have been linked to adhesions in fibrous tissue which could cause things like reduction in joint ROM, "shortening" of a muscle to restriction in their length, and even muscular endurance.
So, is it the facia causing the problem? No, its the end product. Similarly to someone with loss of joint space in the knee. Blading the VMO and semitendinosus and semimembranosus will help the knee feel better but in no way in hell is it going to do anything to help that joint.
If all a chiro wants to do is manipulate....they aren't seeing the whole picture. I am not familiar with kinetic therapy but after looking at it, it looks like another take on some common sense physical therapy that someone wants to give a fancy term. Dress up a pig and call it what you want....its still a pig.
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Had pain in the rhomboid area, that was caused by a herniated disk in the neck. Between C7 and T1. After fix, it went away.
Surprising at the level seeing that dorsal scapular nerve (from C5) innervates rhomboids. At that level could have been splenius cervicis / thoracis muscular issue from the lower cervical
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Are you a Chiro or are you a orthopedic doctor?
not your typical chiro. There are times I hate my my profession for some of the bullshit that comes out of it.
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While the blading has merit, there is irrefutable evidence of cytokines produces with disc damage. Those same cytokines are DIRECTLY linked to stimulation of pain receptors (type c delta I believe). This in turn can contribute to the muscle guarding (sometimes thought to be spasms) as well as the true spasm. Those same cytokines have been linked to adhesions in fibrous tissue which could cause things like reduction in joint ROM, "shortening" of a muscle to restriction in their length, and even muscular endurance.
So, is it the facia causing the problem? No, its the end product. Similarly to someone with loss of joint space in the knee. Blading the VMO and semitendinosus and semimembranosus will help the knee feel better but in no way in hell is it going to do anything to help that joint.
If all a chiro wants to do is manipulate....they aren't seeing the whole picture. I am not familiar with kinetic therapy but after looking at it, it looks like another take on some common sense physical therapy that someone wants to give a fancy term. Dress up a pig and call it what you want....its still a pig.
my fascial issues started with a limited range of motion and lack of movement of my low back.
So yes, I hurt my discs, I have had MRI scans several times ofer the years and my disc damage is exactly the same, it has never gone any worse from the original injury
I have been plagued with low back spasms ever since that, way back in 1988.
When I went to see the kenetic therapist I told him about my low back and he looked at me and said "its not that thats causing your problem" he could see from my posture that it was my lower body.
I have only had one treatment in my low back as he said there isnt any adhesion or scar tissue in the fascia there.
My quads and hams were a tangle of knots and scar tissue, I have even had treatments on my traps and shoulder.
So without the original low back injury would I have had any issues with my fascia, maybe maybe not.
I think more likely maybe...
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Sorry to butt in, but I finally got results from an MRI regarding my upper back pain (complained about it at the docs like 18 months ago! Socialized medicine). "No disc herniation but possible issue with bone marrow, sent referral to orthopedist" (just text message, didn't speak to doc). It still hurts the same as when the pain first appeared. What does this mean with the bone marrow? :)
Kai Greene did dips for traps. Any reason to do dips for traps?
Careful, you are in danger of being sucked into the medical industrial complex.
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my fascial issues started with a limited range of motion and lack of movement of my low back.
re-read my statement above....which has been researched extensively
So yes, I hurt my discs, I have had MRI scans several times ofer the years and my disc damage is exactly the same, it has never gone any worse from the original injury
While discs can heal, it doesn't mean they will if we keep doing things that damaged them in the first place. One step forward, one step back. Degeneration (bone, disc, tendon, etc) is a progressive thing. I do find it hard to believe the statement of "exactly the same". Most reporting is done subjectively : mild, moderate, extensive, etc. So, while some may say there is mild to moderate facet arthrosis, others may say that its mild.
I have been plagued with low back spasms ever since that, way back in 1988.
When I went to see the kenetic therapist I told him about my low back and he looked at me and said "its not that thats causing your problem" he could see from my posture that it was my lower body.
postural changes = muscle which affect how we move and change static spine and joint appearance. Again re-read what I just put up there.
I have only had one treatment in my low back as he said there isnt any adhesion or scar tissue in the fascia there.
because this 'practitioner' can see into your facia with his magical kinetic therapy glasses? I had a patient come in and tell me his massage therapist could tell he had a herniated disc because the therapist could fell it. No fucking way, no how. Facia is subcutaneous, but also intramuscular. Tell me how they can tell that by just LOOKING at you. Let me guess, with the blading you are also releasing "toxins" in the skin when you see the petechial changes
My quads and hams were a tangle of knots and scar tissue, I have even had treatments on my traps and shoulder.
oh, so your low back didn't have the scar tissue but just quads and hams. Gotcha!
So without the original low back injury would I have had any issues with my fascia, maybe maybe not.
I think more likely maybe...
More than likely, yes. Crosslinking after injury causes restriction. Previous mentioned cytokine reaction with pain fibers. If you were given any type of cortico-steroid, there's another culprit. Also, with regard to low back injury...if you ever did damage to hamstrings prior to that, there is a potential causative factor with the low back injury. Research has shown knee injuries are linked to problems with the TFL and glute max.
Its all well and good you are getting relief but when people talk out of their ass like that....it is no different than when someone does that applied kinesiology to determine if a supplement is "good" for them
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More than likely, yes. Crosslinking after injury causes restriction. Previous mentioned cytokine reaction with pain fibers. If you were given any type of cortico-steroid, there's another culprit. Also, with regard to low back injury...if you ever did damage to hamstrings prior to that, there is a potential causative factor with the low back injury. Research has shown knee injuries are linked to problems with the TFL and glute max.
Its all well and good you are getting relief but when people talk out of their ass like that....it is no different than when someone does that applied kinesiology to determine if a supplement is "good" for them
"exactly the same" means it hasnt gone any worse.
Correct my fascia in my low back didnt have any knots or adhesion
Someone who is trained in kinetic therapy can feel the adhesions with the tools, Oh and the patient can feel it as well as they take quite a bit of breaking down, something that a massage therapist or chiropractor simply couldnt do with their hands alone.
you dont have to see inside someone to know if they have postural issues.
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nope no toxins, just initial slight bruising that disappears after a few hours
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Kind of an upright row
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I`m a big Doug Brignole fan ever since the 80`s......chatted with him at the 2011 Masters Nationals.....nice guy.
RIP :(
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"exactly the same" means it hasnt gone any worse.
according to a static imaging study
Correct my fascia in my low back didnt have any knots or adhesion
nothing SUPERFFICIAL. NO ONE...and I repeat NO ONE can tell you by looking at you or palpating you if there are adhesions INTRA MUSCULARILY
Someone who is trained in kinetic therapy can feel the adhesions with the tools, Oh and the patient can feel it as well as they take quite a bit of breaking down, something that a massage therapist or chiropractor simply couldnt do with their hands alone.
geezus....with the tools. Why do you think there are 100's of techniques with the tool. Graston, FAKTOR, etc. Kinetic therapy isn't something any different with the tool. Prove me wrong! They don't do anything different with the tool than any number of people do. I have my graston cert and rock tape blading cert. You know difference? About $1000 in seminar cost
you dont have to see inside someone to know if they have postural issues.
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The problem comes with WHY those postural issues are happening. Its not just "fascial imbalance". Fuck anyone who tells you that. You aren't blading someone with a 30deg scoliotic curve and correcting them.
nope no toxins, just initial slight bruising that disappears after a few hours
Even if we aren't talking discogenic pain, ANYONE worth their salt would have to take into account the arthrosis of the joint and structural compensations. Again, kinetic therapy.....blading with some knowledge of physical therapy. Am I right?
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Even if we aren't talking discogenic pain, ANYONE worth their salt would have to take into account the arthrosis of the joint and structural compensations. Again, kinetic therapy.....blading with some knowledge of physical therapy. Am I right?
I suppose the treatment I had is just a placebo then.
Kenetic therapy and knowledge of physical therapy, guy I went to has 5 years study in physical therapy.
You dont just get a few blades and become an expert.
I like you but sometimes you think its only you that knows anything about treating sports or muscular skeletal injuries.
Maybe some people are qualified just as much as you if not more.
then again no one ever sems to be able to tell you anything you dont know or is wrong.
Since I had the treatments I have been pretty much injury and spasm free.
Maybe I should ditch it and start listening to you?
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Serge had one of the best chests ever :) notice the pattern here ?
Wide grip, especially since those old-school uprights were really narrow. You don't need to bother with dumbbells, if you press with the barbell/Smith machine with a wide grip.
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I suppose the treatment I had is just a placebo then.
never did I say it was placebo. To say it was just "tight quad, hamstrings, and glutes" is short sighted
Kenetic therapy and knowledge of physical therapy, guy I went to has 5 years study in physical therapy.
knowledge of PT? congrats on his 5 yrs. is he a licensed PT? Not sure how it works in the UK but in the US you are licensed and that is a whole lot different than a cert
You dont just get a few blades and become an expert.
Once again, never said someone would. I personally have been using them for 8+ years. When I see the FB people with fucking bruising lastging days on end I shake my head. When I see IG people thinking they are experts after watching some videos included in their kit...I shake my head. Palpation and adjusting takes years to perfect and yet their are people who think they can do it on their buddies because they got that cavitation sound. Big fucking deal!. When KT tape was hitting the scene I did the original kenso case (I think thats the guy) classes. Then everyone and their brother was doing taping...and now you see YT videos from fucking trainers doing it. People with so much tape on them that its fucking ridiculous
I like you but sometimes you think its only you that knows anything about treating sports or muscular skeletal injuries.
No, I am not the only one who knwos shit. When people talk out of their ass...thats when I take issue. When basic common anatomy and phsyology plus researched topics that show facts are ignored thats when I don't have any issue with calling things out. From what I have found the KT people takie a damn weekend course. I could be looking atthe wrong shit but I have to take 60hrs of CEU every three years for one state, 16 ceu for another, and 12 for another. I have to keep up on things so that I am not missing out on giving patients what they need. When someone is so myopic that they disregard things (i.e. your disc has fuck all to do with your problem....isn't that what you said?) then they are discrediting common sense again
Maybe some people are qualified just as much as you if not more.
yeah, many are more qualified than me. But I look to those people to learn from and educate myself. I sit in on ortho surgies, shadow pain management docs, ect so I know where my lane ends and someone else's begins.
then again no one ever sems to be able to tell you anything you dont know or is wrong.
I have asked you to show me where I am wrong, misguided, etc and you have yet to do so. You bring up examples that are complete dog shit (pun intended) because they might suit your one argument. Thats all.
Since I had the treatments I have been pretty much injury and spasm free.
And I said thats great that you are feeling better. Go back and re-read it. Re-iterating this point....to disregard some of the other stuff and blame it on something is not appropriate
Maybe I should ditch it and start listening to you?
Naw, you seem like the type of patient I refer to someone else because I wouldn't want the continual debate. I am at a point in my practicing career where I don't have to take on someone who just want to argue. I am open minded, but don't like being undermined. The advice and help I give here is based on 25 years of practice. Both on patient and shit I have gone through. Also, like I said, talking to people who I feel are more experts in the field than I am.
You wanna defend your KT guy...no problem. Let me state it again Jeff....I am glad you feel relief. Keep at it. If it stops, seek out something else. Does that help it sink in a bit more?
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Disc issues in thoracic region are somewhat uncommon. Facet arthrosis and endplate osteophytes are very common.
Is your doc talking about a hemangioma? Otherwise certain infections can cause the reactive bone marrow signal on MRI
I only got that short message for now so I'm clueless, will talk to him later. My doc is a general practitioner and he is only reading the MRI doc's notes I assume so I don't know what he himself knows about these issues. I'm not sure about the relation of infections with this issue but I have in fact an ongoing infection and/or inflammation in my body which is being investigated. Thanks. My experience with healthcare really sucks lately, I have numerous current issues and everything sucks, ridiculous waiting times, really hard to get ahold of my docs and when I do they don't have time to explain anything and so on. Just one anecdote. When I was following up on my bicep surgery and was scheduled to see the doc he came in and lifted my band aid an inch and without looking under it he just said, rehab! and was out the door. A 15 second doctor's visit ???
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not your typical chiro. There are times I hate my my profession for some of the bullshit that comes out of it.
Like energy medicine?
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not your typical chiro. There are times I hate my my profession for some of the bullshit that comes out of it.
So what exactly is your profession?
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So what exactly is your profession?
I sense "jack of all trades"
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I`m a big Doug Brignole fan ever since the 80`s......chatted with him at the 2011 Masters Nationals.....nice guy.
RIP :(
He seemed a nice guy but like all so called Guru's that come along very negative about anything he didn't "invent "
Remember he was making a living out of his training
Just like others did ..
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I sense "jack of all trades"
We're all experts on here :D
Maybe he's a physiotherapist
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If he's in Germany ( going by his name ) he could also be a Masseur und medizinischer Bademeister
I actually thought about doing this years ago but physiotherapists have taken over some of their job.
They work more or less in rehabilitation centres using massage & water therapy
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We're all experts on here :D
Maybe he's a physiotherapist
he comes across all Hankins when he starts with his "I know it all, you are wrong" nonsense.
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If he's in Germany ( going by his name ) he could also be a Masseur und medizinischer Bademeister
Pretty sure he's in the US. To me the name suggests a certain group of people but could very well be wrong :D
He seems to know what he's talking about. How could any of us not doctors or physios or chriros judge his knowledge base unless we've done a ton of study by ourselves? I have no idea what he's talking about wrt to physiology most of the time. That's why it's hard for us to choose the best doctor or whatever other than by credentials or reviews and word of mouth. JMO 8)
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I sense "jack of all trades"
Chiros have taken on physical therapy and other alternative health practices to supplement traditional chiropractic spinal manipulations.
Chiropractic itself is a pseudoscience.
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pseudoscience /soo͞″dō-sī′əns/
noun
A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation.
Any body of knowledge purported to be scientific or supported by science but which fails to comply with the scientific method.
An activity resembling science but based on fallacious assumptions.
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Chiros have taken on physical therapy and other alternative health practices to supplement traditional chiropractic spinal manipulations.
Chiropractic itself is a pseudoscience.
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pseudoscience /soo͞″dō-sī′əns/
noun
A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation.
Any body of knowledge purported to be scientific or supported by science but which fails to comply with the scientific method.
An activity resembling science but based on fallacious assumptions.
At least here doctors still often refer patients to treatments they themselves consider pseudoscientific. For example, I recently got a few free sessions with a 'vagus nerve manipulator' for my anxiety. It can still "work," whatever the mechanism. I was to sit in a comfortable chair while focusing on a pleasant object in the room, then wiggle my butt in the chair until I felt I really sat comfortably and then feel my feet make stable contact with the floor, while taking 3 deep breaths. It affected the vagus nerve.
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I sense "jack of all trades"
No, but I will say its better than being a whiney c.unt
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he comes across all Hankins when he starts with his "I know it all, you are wrong" nonsense.
Naw, never Hankins. Have you tried walking on all fours and slinging your feces around for your tight quads and hams?
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Chiros have taken on physical therapy and other alternative health practices to supplement traditional chiropractic spinal manipulations.
Chiropractic itself is a pseudoscience.
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pseudoscience /soo͞″dō-sī′əns/
noun
A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation.
Any body of knowledge purported to be scientific or supported by science but which fails to comply with the scientific method.
An activity resembling science but based on fallacious assumptions.
Oh no..what will I do now with myself. Perhaps I can make it as a kinetic therapist. Thanks for the heads up
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At least here doctors still often refer patients to treatments they themselves consider pseudoscientific. For example, I recently got a few free sessions with a 'vagus nerve manipulator' for my anxiety. It can still "work," whatever the mechanism. I was to sit in a comfortable chair while focusing on a pleasant object in the room, then wiggle my butt in the chair until I felt I really sat comfortably and then feel my feet make stable contact with the floor, while taking 3 deep breaths. It affected the vagus nerve.
Basically meditation. Some might call it hypnosis.
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Surprising at the level seeing that dorsal scapular nerve (from C5) innervates rhomboids. At that level could have been splenius cervicis / thoracis muscular issue from the lower cervical
Also had an intervention between C5 and C6 a month later. It was many years ago, maybe the disconfort went away in the second surgery, can't remember correctly.
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Oh no..what will I do now with myself. Perhaps I can make it as a kinetic therapist. Thanks for the heads up
There's always becoming a lawyer. ;D
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Look at Dorian Yates he likes mushrooms & drinks something that spaces him out
Saw a documentary on the place he visited...pretty wild stuff
Remember as a 16 year old taking mushrooms 🍄 I wouldn't say I reached Nirvana like Dorian but it fucking blew my mind ;D
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Playing with fire.
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Apparently there's a toad you can lick ...
Listen to the guy ....baba baba baba :D
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Playing with fire.
I honestly saw a film about a place in the UK where they gave people something to make them trip treating various illnesses
Obviously under medical conditions not like us as kids ...we were just stupid :D
One guy I knew took too many & he got his stomach pumped in the hospital
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Naw, never Hankins. Have you tried walking on all fours and slinging your feces around for your tight quads and hams?
I take it back, you are worse than Hankins, you cant get your own way its all insults.
You are like a baby that cant get its own way throwing tantrums
Grow the fuck up
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I take it back, you are worse than Hankins, you cant get your own way its all insults.
You are like a baby that cant get its own way throwing tantrums
Grow the fuck up
Says the king of tantrums on here. You gonna threaten to not respond to me like you've done to Brian 1000 times?
You don't like insults? Here's an idea...don't throw them at people. Or is that too harsh and me needing to be right?
Up your dose you little bitch
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Says the king of tantrums on here. You gonna threaten to not respond to me like you've done to Brian 1000 times?
You don't like insults? Here's an idea...don't throw them at people. Or is that too harsh and me needing to be right?
Up your dose you little bitch
I havent insulted you...
Jeez, lower your dose you angry little man
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I havent insulted you...
Jeez, lower your dose you angry little man
he comes across all Hankins when he starts with his "I know it all, you are wrong" nonsense.
I sense "jack of all trades"
I take it back, you are worse than Hankins, you cant get your own way its all insults.
You are like a baby that cant get its own way throwing tantrums
Grow the fuck up
Shit, my bad....those were compliments.
I wish I had a dose I could lower. Any suggestions?
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Shit, my bad....those were compliments.
I wish I had a dose I could lower. Any suggestions?
I likened you to Brians behaviour which is true
I said you were a "jack of all trades" which is exactly as you come across, not once have you ever said "oh thats not my field of expertise", you always seem to know something about everything.
The last one was after you called me a whiney kunt
If you cant stand the heat stay out the kitchen.
Krank incoming with how he can cook better than Gordon Ramsey
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I likened you to Brians behaviour which is true
I said you were a "jack of all trades" which is exactly as you come across, not once have you ever said "oh thats not my field of expertise", you always seem to know something about everything.
The last one was after you called me a whiney kunt
If you cant stand the heat stay out the kitchen.
Krank incoming with how he can cook better than Gordon Ramsey
And you chime in with every subject under the sun because that seems to be your area of expertise. Why the fuck would I ever say to somebody sorry that's not my area of expertise when I know when to stay in my lane? That's called self-awareness. I know enough about a subject and confident in my knowledge to give advice. You don't like the advice? Fine. Doesn't take away from my experience both practical and written. If that makes me a jack of all trades perhaps the definition needs to be changed. And I called you a whiny c. UNT because you come across like that so damn often. Even chaos has called you out on your menstruation cycle Behavior.
If anyone should stay out of the kitchen, it's you. You didn't like the things that I said regarding what your certified person was saying. You've got some Bro Science opinions. Great. I guess that makes you King of the Hill
Oh and regard to Gordon ramsay, I've gotten a lot of great tips from him but in no way would I ever spout off I know more than just a cursory bit of information regarding cooking. Sorry to burst your bubble there sweetheart
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And you chime in with every subject under the sun because that seems to be your area of expertise. Why the fuck would I ever say to somebody sorry that's not my area of expertise when I know when to stay in my lane? That's called self-awareness. I know enough about a subject and confident in my knowledge to give advice. You don't like the advice? Fine. Doesn't take away from my experience both practical and written. If that makes me a jack of all trades perhaps the definition needs to be changed. And I called you a whiny c. UNT because you come across like that so damn often. Even chaos has called you out on your menstruation cycle Behavior.
If anyone should stay out of the kitchen, it's you. You didn't like the things that I said regarding what your certified person was saying. You've got some Bro Science opinions. Great. I guess that makes you King of the Hill
Oh and regard to Gordon ramsay, I've gotten a lot of great tips from him but in no way would I ever spout off I know more than just a cursory bit of information regarding cooking. Sorry to burst your bubble there sweetheart
meltdown...
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meltdown...
Oh no! Not that comeback...I think I need to look into meds you got me so bad.
Ps you're still a whiney c.unt
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Oh no! Not that comeback...I think I need to look into meds you got me so bad.
Ps you're still a whiney c.unt
last word freak...
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Basically meditation. Some might call it hypnosis.
Yeah something like that. I haven't researched it but the vagus nerve stuff sounds like quackery, which is why to me it's strange that a hospital employs this type of psychologist. For years the medical establishment said CBT has the most evidence supporting its use, but this woman said she's NEVER seen it help anyone! Lol. I've never had "therapy" and asked her if she recommended it and what type of talk therapy. I mean so many people claim everyone should go to therapy to work through their issues even if they think they have no issues. This woman couldn't give any answer, "I can't say, I don't know.. " Lately I've seen youtubes where "experts" say therapy can worsen issues because it causes you to ruminate on negative stuff. I've been thinking about psychedelic therapy to perhaps imprint new ways of thinking, but that is very pseudoscientific too according to many, I know, but I'm scared. But scientist have now been allowed to do studies with LSD (some drug company wants to release a stable form of LSD)* The "science" has seen they induce actual physical changes in the plastic brain which they hypothesize can help depression and anxiety. But they still don't know how, or even if, standard antidepressants work 8)
Anyone here believe in therapy? :D
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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/07/health/lsd-anxiety-fda-breakthrough-therapy-wellness/index.html
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Anyone here believe in therapy? :D
Had 2 years talking shit with a bird with big tits (only realised she had big tits after a few weeks so I knew I was getting better)... found out some answers why Im a like I am but it just got a bit repetavive
I just bury shit now so I can unload on some poor fucker every now and again
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Forum members really going at it with each other. Might be withdrawal symptoms due to Brian Hankins being banned.
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Forum members really going at it with each other. Might be withdrawal symptoms due to Brian Hankins being banned.
They will soon get together and will love each other again just like politicians:
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If anyone needs my help I'll sort this shit out quickly.
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Forum members really going at it with each other. Might be withdrawal symptoms due to Brian Hankins being banned.
I think the spirit of Pellius has taken over Kranks account
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They will soon get together and will love each other again just like politicians:
Not until Brian returns.
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If anyone needs my help I'll sort this shit out quickly.
Do not intervene. Getbiggers need to express their anger toward each other in order to mourn Brian’s absence. This must be played out.
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So about 25 years ago I met this guy at a gym in Milford ma. His name was John and he had the craziest shoulder so ever saw still to this day. He was about 6’3 250 lean and mid 30s. Well I just saw him today and he was 60 and looked exactly the same we had a good talk. He said he has been running 500mgs of test weekly with either 200 mgs of mast with either 200 mgs of deca or eq for 30+ years now and throws in 20 mgs of anavar eod may-August every year. He was 240 and lean as fuck. Insane how crazy he looks still and how long he’s been doing it. Anyways he said the mast and anavar were why his shoulders were like that also crazy shoulder genetics and lots of laterals. Does no pressing.
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So about 25 years ago I met this guy at a gym in Milford ma. His name was John and he had the craziest shoulder so ever saw still to this day. He was about 6’3 250 lean and mid 30s. Well I just saw him today and he was 60 and looked exactly the same we had a good talk. He said he has been running 500mgs of test weekly with either 200 mgs of mast with either 200 mgs of deca or eq for 30+ years now and throws in 20 mgs of anavar eod may-August every year. He was 240 and lean as fuck. Insane how crazy he looks still and how long he’s been doing it. Anyways he said the mast and anavar were why his shoulders were like that also crazy shoulder genetics and lots of laterals. Does no pressing.
Rob, you sound like you’re in love with this guy. Tell us more.
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Rob, you sound like you’re in love with this guy. Tell us more.
When I met him a long time ago, I was in love with his shoulders. Guy looked insane. Still looks just as insane just a Little trimmer.
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When I met him a long time ago, I was in love with his shoulders. Guy looked insane. Still looks just as insane just a Little trimmer.
Rob, are you in love with my forearms?
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Rob, are you in love with my forearms?
Sometimes late at night while furiously masturbating I imagine your burly forearms are … NO HOMO OF COURSE.
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If anyone need's the cliff's notes, I've summarized robcguns posts below:
So about 25 years ago I met this guy at a gym in Milford ma.
I was in love with his shoulders.
He pulled into the driveway and said go in the back door
Nothing like getting blasted in the face and blasting someone right back. It separates the men from the boys So raw and primal.
Sucks to put in the work and that’s it.
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That guy with the shoulders won't make it to 70 if he keeps it up.
But if he does make it to 70 then he won't make it to 80.
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If anyone need's the cliff's notes, I've summarized robcguns posts below:
Hahahaha. My posts look pretty bad tonight.
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That guy with the shoulders won't make it to 70 if he keeps it up.
But if he does make it to 70 then he won't make it to 80.
Hahaha right. Pretty crazy.
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So about 25 years ago I met this guy at a gym in Milford ma. His name was John and he had the craziest shoulder so ever saw still to this day. He was about 6’3 250 lean and mid 30s. Well I just saw him today and he was 60 and looked exactly the same we had a good talk. He said he has been running 500mgs of test weekly with either 200 mgs of mast with either 200 mgs of deca or eq for 30+ years now and throws in 20 mgs of anavar eod may-August every year. He was 240 and lean as fuck. Insane how crazy he looks still and how long he’s been doing it. Anyways he said the mast and anavar were why his shoulders were like that also crazy shoulder genetics and lots of laterals. Does no pressing.
Pretty impressive that he only lost 10 pounds 30 years later. lean.
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If anyone need's the cliff's notes, I've summarized robcguns posts below:
Seems like you are in love with Rob.
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I wish Bhanky was here to give us the real deal on building huge delts.
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Seems like you are in love with Rob.
If only.
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I only got that short message for now so I'm clueless, will talk to him later. My doc is a general practitioner and he is only reading the MRI doc's notes I assume so I don't know what he himself knows about these issues. I'm not sure about the relation of infections with this issue but I have in fact an ongoing infection and/or inflammation in my body which is being investigated. Thanks. My experience with healthcare really sucks lately, I have numerous current issues and everything sucks, ridiculous waiting times, really hard to get ahold of my docs and when I do they don't have time to explain anything and so on. Just one anecdote. When I was following up on my bicep surgery and was scheduled to see the doc he came in and lifted my band aid an inch and without looking under it he just said, rehab! and was out the door. A 15 second doctor's visit ???
Sweden is starting to become more and more like US where you need a private health care insurance to get good care/health service. Most upper income people I know have private health care insurance. A pretty bad deal for the citizens since we still have pretty much the highest taxes in the world. So what are we paying taxes for?... well we all know
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Sweden is starting to become more and more like US where you need a private health care insurance to get good care/health service. Most upper income people I know have private health care insurance. A pretty bad deal for the citizens since we still have pretty much the highest taxes in the world. So what are we paying taxes for?... well we all know
Anything run by the government or socialized will eventually become inefficient and corrupt.
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If only.
You seem to be a kind hearted person. You deserve to be loved.
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Sweden is starting to become more and more like US where you need a private health care insurance to get good care/health service. Most upper income people I know have private health care insurance. A pretty bad deal for the citizens since we still have pretty much the highest taxes in the world. So what are we paying taxes for?... well we all know
Your taxes pay for Muzzie benefits. Not quit complaining you racist! ;D
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Anything run by the government or socialized will eventually become inefficient and corrupt.
Anything run by any human will become corrupt. Even if you took programs out of political control, and put it in the hand of the citizen, the citizens would corrupt it due to greed.
Basically, anything humans touch will lean towards greed. There is no solution for this. Self-preservation is too strong and tribalism is too strong--we will always look out for ourselves/family/close friends first.
I dont have a solution. The only solution I have for myself to reduce my anxiety is confront reality as best as I can and keep pushing forward.
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You seem to be a kind hearted person. You deserve to be loved.
Thank you sir. I am very kind. All I want is to be loved.
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You seem to be a kind hearted person.
Exactly, he's the kind of guy who would never do a podcast called, say, Rob and Josh Hate Everyone or anything like that.
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Sweden is starting to become more and more like US
A pretty bad deal for the citizens
what are we paying taxes for?
death… your extermination.
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The only way I’ve seen people get cannonball delts is with tren or anavar. Had a buddy take just anavar and his shoulders went crazy, on test and deca didn’t happen. And everyone I know who takes tren has those shoulders. But I think genetics is the most important fact for anything to work. I do laterals like crazy and rear delt like crazy, my shoulders are big but not round.
Bro...
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Anything run by any human will become corrupt. Even if you took programs out of political control, and put it in the hand of the citizen, the citizens would corrupt it due to greed.
Basically, anything humans touch will lean towards greed. There is no solution for this. Self-preservation is too strong and tribalism is too strong--we will always look out for ourselves/family/close friends first.
I dont have a solution. The only solution I have for myself to reduce my anxiety is confront reality as best as I can and keep pushing forward.
So true, SF.
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Anything run by any human will become corrupt. Even if you took programs out of political control, and put it in the hand of the citizen, the citizens would corrupt it due to greed.
Basically, anything humans touch will lean towards greed. There is no solution for this. Self-preservation is too strong and tribalism is too strong--we will always look out for ourselves/family/close friends first.
I dont have a solution. The only solution I have for myself to reduce my anxiety is confront reality as best as I can and keep pushing forward.
That is very true. Good points.
I would say that it is easier to root out a corrupt private enterprise, like breaking up a monopoly or enforcing fair trade practices and regulations. As opposed to fixing a government run enterprise that has become bloated and wasteful and corrupt. So, in general, I favor the private enterprise (there are always exceptions)